Drama Queens - One Last Thrill

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

A game of “Would You Rather” goes awry when Rob and Joy are joined by all-star guests Lee Norris and Antwon Tanner. The foursome reveal the unwritten rules for an on-screen smooch and the actor who gave the kiss of death, or shall we say, breath.   Plus, find out what Joy just admitted to doing in the shower that may make you lose your appetite and the tangible memory that fans carved into OTH history!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Drugs, alcohol, trafficking of people. There are people out there that absolutely know what happened. Listen to Paper Ghosts, the Texas Teen Murders, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream, and one of the most iconics it comes of all time? You get Desi Arness. On the podcast star in Desi Arness and Wilmer Valderrama, I'll take you in a journey to Desi's life, how he redefined American television, and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines, waiting. for a face like hours on screen. Listen to starring Desi Arnaz

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It starts with a dream, a nature reserve, and a spectacular new home. But little by little... They lose it. They actually lose it. They sort of like nuts. Until one night, everything spins out of control

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Rough girl fashion but you're tough girl You could sit with us girl Drama queen drama queens Drama queens drama queens drama queens Drama queens drama queens I love that poster on Lee's wall in the background because we have so many memories

walking up and down that street That's right across the street from Liquid Room right That's downtown Yeah it's downtown right across the street from Liquid Room And me and Lee we had plenty of nights So we need it to slow. Some other folks are involved. Yeah, not just you and I.

Yeah. Well, hi, fellas. So glad we have you. Welcome in. Listeners, you may recognize those two voices as none other than Antoine Tanner and Dr. Lee Norris, our esteemed guest today. I picked up an extra degree. That's right.

You've been busy. Congratulations. Oh, you got the mastings? No, I didn't. And he's pulling my leg. Oh, I thought you got it. You know I'm always looking for you, man. You know I'm pulling for you.

Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. I do love that you have this picture of downtown Wilmington on your wall. I feel like I want to get one of those now because it's just the sentimentality. It's so sweet. Are you living in Wilmington now, Lee? Where are you? No, I'm in North Carolina.

I'm not in Wilmington. But, you know, my mom and dad had that. They had a local artist in Wilmington do that because it's got Caprice Bistro in it, which was one of our favorite spots downtown. My wife and I would have dinners there. And so it's a special place. So, yeah. I love that.

Thank you guys all the time. My mom got me a, when I was the Azalea Queen, she came out for the Azalea Festival. And when I was headed home, she got me one of those little, like, you know when people paint a picture on a woodblock or put a photo on a wood block? And it was the Nathan and Haley table,

which is now all scratched up. Have you guys visited that table? Like, it's completely covered in engravings. Or what do you call it when you carve your name in a tree? Oh, yeah. You're talking about the one downtown right on the wall? Yeah, Nathan and Haley's table where he gives her the bracelet, like that whole moment. It's like completely covered in people having carved their initials.

That's so cool. It's really sweet. Yeah. Probably the city hates us, but it's cool. I doubt it. The tourism that we bring in. And I doubt it at all. Yeah, that's really neat.

Well, okay, speaking of, sorry, Rob, you keep opening your mouth to talk and then I find myself, I'm already in the middle of a sentence. I'm sorry. What are you going to say? No, I was just, I was trying to eat a fly. I had nothing to say. But now that there is this break, why don't we jump into some questions? Da-da-da-na-no.

Go ahead. All right. Lee, you got this. All right, I got it. All right. This is the Wilmington Werewolf, their nickname? That's so cool. Yes.

We ask people to spice up their questions by giving us nickname. All right. So they asked, what do you think the backstory for Victoria and Ted might be? Are they Tree Hill originals who went to school with Dan and Karen? If not, how did they end up there for Brooke to grow up there? That's a great question. It really is a great question because these two people seem like the last people who would have ended up in Tree Hill. Yes. They feel like big, you know, mind you, I'm saying this having no knowledge of one through six, seasons one through six. But to me, from 7, 8, 9, they feel like. like big city people. Yeah. So my gut would be that they did not go to Tree Hill High. Yeah, and she doesn't have a family there.

It's not like they would have moved there for family or Brooke would have had some family in town growing up. So there has to be a reason. Like, what if Ted, what does Ted do? He's an investor? Yeah. Maybe he like invested in something that was in town. Because I feel like Victoria would have been dragged to Tree Hill and like suffered

through living there. Yeah, because she was a city girl. Yeah. But I could buy maybe that like Ted had to be there for work. Or you know what else I could see happening is that their marriage shocker was on the rocks and they went to a couple's therapist and their couple's therapist was like, you guys need to get out of the big city and you need to go to like a small town where you can just like do the family thing with less noise.

Robert, I think you just wrote a Hallmark movie. Is that not a great Valentine's movie? Like a couple who's on about to get divorced and their therapist says get out of the city? I could, you know, Tree Hill is on the water, right? I could see them, like, running like a beach house in Tree Hill, right? To, like, work on their marriage. And then they, like, this is a great spot. And they end up, you know, like moving there.

Like, I don't know, full time. Wow. I could see that coming from that standpoint because he's an investor. So, you know, at the time, Tree Hill was building. Because remember when we got there was nothing there. Everything closed at five or six o'clock. It was only one street. So could have been, you know, buying some property in the expanding little town.

Oh, yeah. I'm knowing that this town is, you know, they figure it could slow their daughter down, and then their daughter got to school, and it was all hell to tell the captain. She was the spicy meatball the season was. You know what I'm saying? Burke was the spicy meatball. So good. Okay, friends, real talk.

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Okay, well, this is a question for Antoine. Kayla wants to know, how do you think Skills and Bevin got back together? Because last we knew she was married to Tim and had a kid named Nathan. That's right. I forgot about that. You show did, and then we ended up in the finale together. Was she pregnant? Who was pregnant? No, she wasn't.

It was, Millie was pregnant. I'm so glad that you're here, Twan, because we, so we just recently recapped the finale, finale. And that was my question, is I, the way you two were standing close to each other, again, mind you, I don't know seasons one through six. So I didn't realize at the time that you all actually had a proper backstory, but I was saying to join soap, I was like, is it me? or was there a strong vibe that the two of them were together? And then they filled me in, obviously, that Skills and Bevin had a past.

I think Skills and Bevin were actually, they were friends too, you know, because she had moved on and, you know, she had left. So that's how she got out of him. So I think maybe she came back to, maybe she came back to Tree Hill and her and Skills were still friends because they never had no bad blood. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He just, he went away to play ball.

He went overseas. and then she was dating Tim and had the baby with him and all of that. You know what I'm saying? By the time we came back. Yeah. I can see that happening between them for them still having a relationship, but it could be friends just like how when Brooke and Nathan and, you know, because what Lucas was sleeping with everybody, but he was also friends with people too.

How often do we go back to our first love? So like somebody that we knew a long time ago and then we go through this iteration of all these different relationships and we're like, you know what? Whatever happened to so-and-so. Let me see if we can give that a 2.0. Wait, so, Twan, though, when you were, when you guys were shooting this scene on the basketball court in the finale, where we all were in the stands, do you remember, did you, were you and Bevin given any direction, or did you play it a certain way of, like, maybe let's

play it like, we're kind of together. Do you recall? Well, no, well, yeah, I remember they was just like, okay, we're going to put all the couples together, and then they kind of set all every couple together. You know what I'm saying? And it was me and Bevin sitting together. So I think it was more of a unknown because, you know what I'm saying? He had been with who we had been with.

Yeah, I just think it was more of an unknown. They didn't know. But like I said, I don't think they left on a bad note. Didn't you date, though? Because when we did, I remember when we did the stripping episode, Bevin was like, wasn't she like talking you into going out and stripping? Oh, yeah, those characters dated for sure. Yeah, yeah.

So you guys had been together. So it makes sense that you would have. Yeah, that she was dead because she was my first tree-heeled girlfriend. She was my first tree of girlfriend. Because Tim mess that up somehow. We know we did. Yeah. Later on, that's how I got with Lauren.

And that's how I got with, you know what I'm saying? That's how I ended up being on the website and ended up meeting. You know what I'm saying? And I mean, wait, don't say anything more. I'm going to say, wait, don't spoil it for Robert. Yeah, don't spoil it for me. I want to go into one through six totally with fresh eyes and no knowledge. Ava asks, something you like to eat or drink that other people find gross.

For example, my friend likes Miracle Whip, yes, like the mayo, and peanut butter sandwiches. Stop. Or if you don't have one, yes, straight to jail, by the way. Or if you don't have one, what is a food or drink you don't like and you don't understand why other people like it? Do either of you have one on either side of that that jumps out to? Mountain Dew and Dr. Pepper, I can't wrap my brain around. anyone enjoys those. Dr. Pepper, really?

Yeah. I used to like it when I was a kid, but now as an adult, I'm like, you know what, Jo? I had to agree with you on Dr. Pepper because to me, Dr. Pepper smells like the beach. And you don't like the beach? Where are we going? It tastes like the beach smell, like, you know, sometimes.

It tastes like the beach smells. So I'd be like, no, it's the aftertaste. But it's good when you're really thirsty. Yeah, I mean, like, if I'm dying in the desert, I'm drinking them both. But, you know. Yeah. So I will say that I have one that I don't like, that other people seem to, which is anything like mint, like mint chocolate ice cream or peppermint.

To me, that is a breath freshener. It's not a dessert. You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I, and like candy canes even at Christmas. That's an upfront to give Christmas. Oh, humbug. I know. How dare you?

Gingerbread, white chocolate, you know, all of that. But like peppermint, that's, I don't want my, my mint to taste like, my food to taste like toothpaste. So, I know, I know. There was, yeah, they, they, the advertising industry and like product industry really ruined that for you by the crossover of toothpaste and mouthwash with Christmas time treats. I get it. I see, I see your point.

There's an agenda. I know. I know. I see your point. The only thing I don't like, well, that I, like, very rarely eat is just because it's, like, only certain people cook it right. And everybody loves it. It's steak. I can't do steak for some reason.

Yeah, I don't like it. Really? Like it chewy. I hate it when it's chewy. When it tastes like gum, I can't do it. Oh, yeah, that's gross. You can't do gum. Rob, what's yours?

Rob, I'm waiting with baited breath for your food. Yeah, so mine, listen, it's going to be hot and people are not going to like it, but it was born of necessity. all right it wasn't born out of a desire to be contrarian i was told i was allergic to milk growing up as a kid i found out later in life and in therapy that was not true but uh as a kid so i was like i did like uh soy milk and so when it came time to do cereal as a young boy uh i started just to do my cereal with orange juice so i do cereal with orange juice and this is a habit you have you still keep no these days like occasionally I'll do it but like not really these days I'll just do almond milk but yeah like when I met Jenny for example I would like a random cereal and I put

orange juice and she was just like what the hell I was like oh I was allergic to milk as a kid so I never got to do it but anytime anyone sees it they're just like what she's like you have like stomach issues like GI problem that's really talking My parents were like, you're allergic to milk. Here's some cheese pizza and ice cream, and I was fine. And like no one ever checked the logic on that until, like I said, I'm like 35 in therapy going, that actually may not have been the case. Oh, my gosh. And here's one that's going to get a lot of grief.

One thing I don't like that other people love, miss me with all the blue vein cheeses. I knew you were going to gas, Joy. I'm so sorry. I love a stinky cheese. Come on. Me too. I can see how much you all enjoy it And I wish I could be a part of that party

Blue Vained cheese Miss me with a blue vein cheese Cereal and orange juice is definitely That's high on the list of unusual Does anyone else eat cereal in the shower? Wait, what? Guys, you're missing out This is really nice

This is taking a turn Yeah, can you walk us through this? Yeah, well, I don't, some people take showers to just get clean and get out, but I really enjoy the experience because it's like solitude and silence. And there's something so therapeutic of having buckets of water just dumped on your head for long periods of time. So I, but at some point I was hungry and also my water was running and I was like, oh, shoot, well, whatever. And so I just made my cracklin op brand with my milk and then took it in the shower. And it was actually really great as long as you don't get the bowl wet, which you can do. But it's kind of a nice little, just, like, way to chill. I just, I love your brain joy. I love that when the shower was ready, as was your bowl of cereal, your first thought wasn't, I'll turn off the shower and enjoy this bowl of cereal. It was, I should take this cereal to go.

That's efficiency is what that is. I want to ask because you said it was nice and quiet and you had some oats. That sounded like a lot of crunching was going on in that. shower crackling op brand well it's in the milk for a little while it doesn't get then it's not too cracky that's a that's a that's a I will say joy as a dad now I can I can see the appeal and and you know the quiet time yeah and the efficiency like you kill two birds with one stone that's right I do I do see that I mean I wasn't I wasn't prepared for that but I want you all to try it and then get back to me report back okay okay

Yeah, because I agree, like on the parent front, listen, if you had said anything in the shower, I would have gone, yeah, I get it, because you're not being bothered. Right. No one's asking you for anything. It's like, it's just funny that rather than like listening to music or like an audio book, you were like eating the messiest food possible. Yeah, that's crazy. But back to the syrup with orange juice. And I know this logic doesn't work for all food combos, but if you think about it, you do like drinking orange juice with breakfast. Yes.

And you do like cereal. I mean, again, this logic does not hold because if that's the case, people would be like, why don't you drink freaking Coca-Cola with your cereal, which you'd have to be a maniac for. But I'm just saying it's not, I'm not saying like ketchup and cereal, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, the logic follows. I mean, not a lot of people drink Coca-Cola for breakfast, but you could maybe like have, I don't know what's like rice and Coca-Cola. I'm trying to think of what an like a dinner equivalent.

I can give you one like, okay, for example, like, Do you guys eat ketchup on your tacos? No. No. Or ranch? No. Ranch I could go for. I mean, it's not my favorite.

Lee is about to take out his headphones. He's like, get out of here. I thought that was normal. I didn't think that there was something outside of the box. So I thought it was normal. So maybe that's a different bias. The fact that we're like 20 years plus in these friendships and what I'm learning today is mind-blowing. He's appalled.

Appalled. Wait, Lee. Okay. Hold on. Now, let's move up because you were talking about mint stuff. So we actually have a question about mints. So, okay, here's the question from Crystal. Whenever we have to do kissing scenes with someone, did we eat a mint?

Is that like that's the protocol? Or was there ever any situation where that did not happen? Yeah, I did that. I did that. But I think we all did it, yeah. Yeah. And you know what I always did too was the chapstick, you know? I don't, you don't want to kiss any dry.

Oh, yeah. You don't want to any dry mouth, so to speak. Yeah. Yeah. I was respectful. I always brushed my teeth and gargled and peroxide and mint and gum and everything. Of course. It is polite.

My story is amongst two people who cannot be named, but I will tell you the story, which is that there was an actress who really hated the actor that she was working alongside. And we know who these people are, and I can tell you offline. but yes so the she hated him so much that when they had to do their kissing scene or one of their many kissing scenes she just went to craft services and bit into a raw onion oh and chomped on that thing till it was horrendous and then i love her did her what if right now rob was like you know what i always knew something tasted really funny every time.

Yep. That's crazy. No, none of us. But, yeah, it's kind of funny. I was always nice. I was always nice. I wanted to make sure, you know. I'm like you, Lee.

We had to get the Carmack's crack in a chapstick. We had to make sure we was smooth. But we didn't kiss a whole lot. Well, Lee, you kissed a whole lot. Rob had to do a lot of kissing, too. You and Chantelle. You and Chantel have a little routine? Well, yeah.

I mean, here's the deal. I am definitely afraid of ever, like, the idea of me having bad breath and blasting someone with it, like, I die a little on the inside just thinking about it. So I think I am always excessively on top of, like, oral hygiene, like, especially if, like, we're shooting, like, I've either brushed my teeth or I've had some gum. Like, I am aware of that because, like I said, that is a big bugaboo for me. So when it comes to kissing stuff, I'm, like, doubly so. and the only time I have not done that is I was working on a project and the female lead and I were just like having

like a really fun time just like giving each other grief and so before a kissing scene I was like I got an idea and it was supposed to be like our big romantic kiss and I went to craft service and I ate some funyuns and chased it with coffee what? And then went in and we shot the first take on the director called Cutchie She was like, what the freak me?

I was like, yeah. And then the next day, she got me back. So it was a fun game. But yeah, other than that, like always, dude, always it's, it's mince. It's everything. Yeah. You had to get that orange juice taste out. That's right.

That's right. That's all the pretty boys. You and Lee, that's the pretty boys. Y'all got all these kissing stories, you know what I'm saying? I got a couple, I got a couple smooches along the way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But when you did it, you made it count, Tuan.

That's the thing, you know. It's quality, not quantity. I did make it count. I did make it count. I was a follower, not a leader. Okay, AJ asks, my question is something that I think still the fans debate about to this day and would love to know each of your perspectives and input.

Now that Dan Stora is complete after nine episode or season nine, episode 11, do you think he redeemed himself? I do. Whoa, that's heavy. I do. You do, Antoine? I do because I was watching the I was watching somebody had posted the clip when um before he died when you guys were in the hospital and um he was in a and he talked to Keith and he told Keith he came out and told Keith like hey I always I was jealous of you and I looked up to you and I should have been more I was trying to be more like you and that's what disappointed me that I couldn't be more like you so it made me hate you so I think you know what I think by him coming out that showed a lot of you know, 360 degree.

Like, I changed, you know what I'm saying? He was trying to redeem himself. So I honestly think he did. And, I mean, he did everything he can when he went to go save Nathan. When he went, you know what I'm saying? All of that happened. Yeah. The word, though, the word redeemed.

Like, that's so, it, I mean, it means to even out, like, essentially. Like, it's completely evened. I don't know if Dan officially evened the score for himself on all the horrendous things that he did. Yeah. But. And I don't know if that's even possible for anyone to do, but I think that he did arrive at the one place that we all want to arrive at, which is humility and a longing to be better and a recognition of the things we regret and wish we would have done differently instead of living in the delusion of constantly doubling down in order. order to avoid accountability. Yeah, well, I think he, I think he basically what they tried to show was that he was truly sorry instead of just saying, you know what, I'm sorry. I'm sorry and it don't

mean nothing. He actually, he put forth some action to try to at least show that he was sorry for what he did. Yeah, I think there's something to be said for the fact that his last efforts were were toward redemption. He was trending in that direction. But I agree with you, Joy, that it's, I mean, first of all, like, the only people who could answer this question are the people who were directly affected by his actions, right? Yeah. And then the other thing, too, is like, all right, let's just, then let's hypothetical, Dan survives

the gunshot. If he had never done another nice thing or bad thing from then on, would we, would, like, or would he have kept doing nice things? because if that's the case, then he, you know, he still felt there was more, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's different because he, like, it was martyrdom. Could you ever work hard enough to outdo those things that he's done? Like, could, that's, that's so, I mean, this is like a philosophical question this guy's

asking us, really, which I just don't, I don't know. The one thing I will say that working in Dan's favorite, sort of like that old, that quote about, gosh, it's something like. like true selflessness is planting a tree that you will never feel the shade from or it's something to that effect right and like in what he did with mouth is that he is creating this future of people getting an opportunity so like he is he is creating something that will be bigger and more impactful than himself i forgot about that that's right that was huge great question aj great question and what a character i mean

God, just thinking now about the evolution of him. And I know, Rob, you haven't seen the beginning, but I mean, just, and Paul was just such a master at it, so. Yeah, truly. Yeah. Joy, you want to read Polly Pockets? Polly Pockett asks a great question. I think we've all been wondering, why?

Why, after many, many years of working at a bar and bartending, moving up the ranks and then eventually owning the bar. Why can Chase still not make a decent drink? Wait, wait, do he own the bar? Eventually, yes. Eventually, yeah. Well, maybe because he's supposed to be owning a bar instead of working at one. Well, maybe he had too many drinks, and, you know, after you have a certain amount of drinks, you stop tasting the liquor.

And maybe he just made his drinks. No, he was a bar, he was a bartender, a manager. or whatever one he was. Yeah. I don't know. Did I drink his drinks? You know what I did? I was that trick.

Everybody drank him. And a lot of people spit him back out in his face. He even got slapped in the face by Rob. Twice. Twice. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Wouldn't it be funny if Chase totally knew how to make good drinks?

He just did that to screw with our characters. That would be fun. And like all the people in the background who you see never spitting out a drink. It's because he just made them normal drinks, but with the cast of one tree hill, he was just like, nah, I'm going to hose these guys. I like that version. All right, Nichelle, very unique name, Nichelle with an N, says, hi, my name is Nichelle. We've already discussed that. And I have a fun list of would you rather questions. All right, first one. would you rather go on a road trip with Nathan and Chris Keller

or go camping with skills and mouth? No pressure, guys. We're right here. Yeah, here's what I'm going to say is it's an easy camping with skills and mouth. And here's why. First of all, skills camping is endless entertainment. And here's the other thing is road tripping with Chris Keller. I just think the likelihood of me getting into a fight at a truck stop or a gas station

and having to intervene is like 85%. Very high. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with this. You would go with skills and mouth? Yeah. Oh, wow.

And then Nathan, the road trip with Chris, I mean, Haley might. No, Haley would definitely want to go camping with you guys instead of deal with Nathan and Chris Keller in the same car. Like, she never wants to deal with that guy unless she has to. I mean, if it was James and Tyler, I would have a lot of fun on that road trip, you know, as much fun as I'd have going camping with you too. But, I mean, if we're really talking characters, like, yeah, skills him out. Okay, check out this next one. Would you, this is, this one, this one's going to put it to you.

Would you rather spend a year in jail with Dan or be stuck on a deserted island with Nanny Carey. Oh, no. Jail. All day. Easy. Send me to the island. Yeah, I'm with, I'm with Twan. I'm going to the island.

We're going to have to talk, man. With a psychotic person? You could hide on the island. How could you ever go to sleep? It's a lesser of two evils. You can't go to sleep in jail with Dan, and you can't go to sleep on the island with Nanny Carey, but at least I'm stronger.

I got a better chance. What is Nanny Carey going to hunt me with, a palm fron? Like, I'm not worried about her when she doesn't have her little utility belt of crazy accessories. Yeah. I just don't want to have to murder someone. And she is, like, psychotic. I could never go to sleep. I could never, like, feel safe.

And what am I going to do? I'm going to try and, like, tie her up and put her in my own little island jail. I'm going to try and be her therapist and talk her through it. She's going to hump me down and kill me in the middle of the night. At least with Dan in jail, like, I mean, I don't even know how that would work. But I feel like I'm being fed on a regular basis. There's activities. There's a gym.

There's a shower where you can eat your cereal, you know. That's right. If it's the one jail that he goes to visit his gangster friend in in season nine, it's the loveliest most beautiful jail I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. If it's that, I'll sure, I'll go to that jail. But like regular jail, like I am not cut out for.

Yeah, no, I don't want to go to jail in any capacity. Okay. Last one of hers. Would you rather be in a huge, sorry, would you rather be in a fugue state like Clay and forget about your own child or have a stalker like Peyton and unknowingly let them into your life thinking you're related? Oh my gosh. It is dark. I think I'd rather deal with the stalker situation. Yeah.

If I had to. No shade to my friend Clay, but I think if you forget about a child, I'm really worried about. Wow. What's going on? Sorry, buddy. Shade received, sir. Sorry, buddy. That's kind of like a male nanny carry.

You know what I'm saying? Like you forget about your kid. That's a little different. Well, and then it's affecting the kid. Not that a stalker wouldn't affect the kid, but it's different. Like, yeah, like having your parent forget about you. That's, like, really intense. I don't know.

Yeah. Yeah, and I think, and let's just assume you survive both of them. I feel like the guilt that you, you would carry from the fugue state is just exponentially greater than the alternative. Yeah, than having been duped and coerced. Like, that's something that happens to people. Yeah, you're going to get PTSD from the other one, but I think you're going to have a lot of undoing in therapy with the abandoning your child,

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Sure. Yes. The Andy Pandy wants to know, Andy Pandy, if the Tree Hill friends could have taken a group trip, aside from the trips to the cabin, Honey Grove, Puerto Rico, etc. Where would you like to have seen them go? Aw. Another big trip. I didn't go to Puerto Rico. I didn't either. Me either. No. None of us did. Yeah, I didn't go to Puerto Rico. I think we went to Honey. I went to Honey Grove. Yep. What? Park City. That was it.

There's plenty of places I want to go, but like where makes sense for all of us to go? Okay, hear me out. We go to a gorgeous estate, like a remote estate, like on some beautiful sprawling acreage. And then once we get there, we're served a delicious dinner. It's supposed to be like a lovely weekend retreat. There's a murder. And basically, we're recreating. but with our characters from Shreehill.

That wins. That is the best idea. I love Clue. I would be in for that. Oh, I love Clue, too. Oh, it's such a good movie. So fun. I got one.

Maybe they all went on a, we never went on a cruise. Oh, yeah. That would have been fun, too. Yeah, an episode on the cruise, and, you know, certain stuff could have happened. Different romantic stuff could have happened while we was on the cruise or different storylines. It could have, it could understand from that. Yeah.

That actually would have been. pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah, you know, everybody get away and then you get to see the different attitudes and drama and all that because we stuck on this ship and we might have to man some relationships while we on this ship that was, you know, because we stuck with each other for seven days. That could have been a cute. Yeah. That's true. But the group scenes were always good. Whenever we did like group scenes, like the Thanksgiving or, you know what I'm saying, our road trips, they was all those episodes were always fun, always fun. Oh, yeah. We had a blast. Yeah, we had an episode behind the scene.

And we had one on this. Yeah. So I think that was fun. That was a fun time, especially like Riley and all the road trips were cool. Like summer camp. So crying it's over asks, what would you have liked your character's ending to be? So I think the assumption here is that if you would like your characters and if you're happy with your characters ending, great. But are there any tweaks you would have liked to have seen?

or just completely different. Oh, wow. Yeah, I think my character could have been more in the mix of, because once we mixed the Tree Hill people, I mean, the River Court people with the Tree Hill High people, we kind of like, we grew up. You know what I'm saying? It became what we stopped judging.

It wasn't the rich kids against the poor kids on the other side of the track that only played at the River Court. they played at the really good gym. You know what I'm saying? So, and I think they evolved. So I think my character could have been more involved with some of the stuff that was going on. Like, you know, I had a lot of good stuff with you, Joy, but I never really work with

Hillary or I never really worked with Sof. It was like, and if it was in and out, you know what I'm saying? It was always, we was with the boys and you guys were with the girls. You know what I'm saying? It was like me and Lee mostly together pretty much all the time, unless it was. was like group stuff, you know what I'm saying? So I think we could have, I could have did a little bit more crossover, like, and with, you know, different storylines with some of the girls.

I think that would have been, would have been different because it could have been a little bit more fun because, you know, Tree Hill was a lot of crying. And then, you know, we had to certain episodes where I come on and now everybody laughing and then, you know, it's out. But when it's a drama, of course, you got to have crying. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that would have been, it could have been a bunch of different, like, cuter

storylines that we could have. Yeah. I have to say I really liked my ending. I was happy for that. I feel like the mouth Millie, you know, and she was pregnant at the end. He was just always looking for that person and he found her. And, you know, I can't ask her much more. He finally got back to his fighting weight, which was great.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Oh, Lee. You know. Between that. and the happy ending with the family that was that's how when I think back on young mouth which is wanting that you know to be loved by someone he found that he got that and I think the job and all that other stuff is you know could be whatever but but for him I was so happy

he got that what about you guys I'm I'm with you man I love I think Clay's ending was great he has his friends he has his Quinn he has his son I think like that's he's He's got his whole world. If I had to give one note, I would say I think it would have been cool if when we're all in the stands, like after we see like Clay and Quinn and they're cheering, we just pan over a little bit. And you see that there is now a second Katie lookalike staring at Clay with psychoize. And we have brought Amanda Schuel back for a third time. Just to sort of go like they may not be out of the woods yet. Not quite.

Yeah, we need one more car accident, too. Like when Nathan and Haley are crossing the street, we need some kind of. Yeah, no, I agree with you, though. Like, we all, I think they wrapped it up kind of perfectly for everybody. I don't know what else could have been more satisfying. So good having you guys here. Thanks for joining the party. I can't believe you guys are done with the show.

That's great, with the... What? It's amazing. It's over? The last episode. I know. I'm always the last to know. I'm avoiding my emotions about it.

I haven't seen that last episode in a long time. I'm afraid I would get pretty some waterworks. Yep, I'm with you, Lee. That's why I don't do it. I don't put myself through the personal trauma and turmoil. It's good, you guys. So, yeah, you definitely, especially for you too. Yeah, man.

Yeah, they're still good. Well, I'm going to listen to that episode for sure. I want to hear your emotions and your reactions. Oh, well, thanks, friends. Thanks for joining us. Thank you, too, for joining us in particular. Yeah. Thank you to all the fans out there.

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