Drama Queens - One Tree Thrill (Part 19)

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

You want personal? You’ve got it! Hilarie, Sophia and Joy take on another round of your listener questions! Find out what they’ve each done that they would NEVER do again, their most personal and favorite moments from their road trip together and their biggest fears and nightmares, including one that is directly related to filming an episode of OTH!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Hello, sports fans. Welcome back. We have a Q&A for you today. Hello. Hello. Some questions and answers. You guys, it's been so fun doing the 23 questions with our work family. And I'm sort of excited that we get to answer questions now because it's been a while since we did it. They're asking if we will do those 23 questions at some point, which we will. Yeah, we have to. Today. Yeah. We're going outside of that. I like the random questions. I do too. Yeah, we want to know what your questions are, friends. The one I'm drawn to on the page I see right now is from Lindsay, what's your biggest fear or phobia? Those are fun. I have been having a series of nightmares, like two a night for the last week. And they all involve having to go back to school. And which is weird because I loved school. Like, I loved it. I loved getting out of my parents' house and just being at school from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. doing extracurriculars. Yeah. But I am having panic attacks right now about not remembering my locker combination, about going back to college and getting confused on the campus and ending up in like a storage closet instead of the classroom I'm supposed to be in.

Like, troubles about this. Did any of these things happen to you ever? I mean, not that I can recall. I'm sure there were days where I was like, locker combo, huh? But why is that so stressful as an adult? Like, I got to get in that locker. My brain's going to explode if I don't get my notebooks. I don't know.

There is definitely a mental health expert out there that's going to tell me what that means. But, yeah, I'm having a lot of back-to-school stress. Do we need to Google the meaning of dreams? Hold on. The locker thing is so sweaty. it's just killing me stress yeah i don't like snakes man really i really don't i just really don't they give me such creepy vibes i just can't i don't i don't i know i know you sophia used to have a pet snake right i love them this yeah you grew up with it so probably you were used to it i just didn't

we didn't have them around when i was a kid so i wasn't exposed to them at all and i just and hillary used to go to the serpentarium all the time girl that time that we did that that convention in Paris and I went to that weird club where everyone was wearing werewolf masks. They brought a snake up to me and put it around my shoulders. I love that. But do you have snakes where you live now? Because they're like when you live in an area where there's poisonous snakes and when you go on a hike and you got to worry about that, I get it. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, my dog got bit in the face by a rattlesnake. And when I was when I was in L.A., he's okay, but it was a 48-hour. It was really tough.

Yeah. This whole head swelled up. And out here we have the copperheads and the cotton mouths that you have to look out for. And we live on a creek, so they like to hang out in creeks in the summer. So it's definitely, yeah. It's stressful. I don't like having to kill snakes or trap home or anything. It is stressful.

Yeah, I think that I actually never got to have a pet snake. I always wanted one, but my parents were like firm nose, probably because of all the, like, California rattlesnakes. stuff. My mom was just like, I don't, I'm not messing with that. So I would always bring the snakes home from science class. And my parents were just like, why do you like this? Why? And I don't know. I just do. I think they're so cool. She likes danger. We love danger. You know what I don't love? Yeah. And I actually think I've realized that it is the fault of our show. In the later seasons when we did that big hurricane episode and they drowned me. Oh. I really, really struggle to be underwater now. Yeah. Wow. And one of those things that you're supposed to do,

which is so good for your skin and also, you know, a good way to start your day is to activate your diver's reflex. So like dip your face in a bowl of ice water. What? And especially like if we're doing crazy hours on set and you have to go in at 4.30 in the morning, a lot of people will do it in hair and makeup like activate their brain for the day. And it has all these amazing like psychological benefits. It's like a cold plunge, but only for your face. Yeah. And it and it essentially does like 80% of what a cold plunge does for your body fully submerged, you can do with a diver's reflex. And when I tell you, I cannot, I cannot put my face in a bowl of water. All the weird shit that I like to do and can do, I cannot do it. And I keep trying to get over the full.

and one of my best friends has started to video me so I can see what happens to myself when I try. And I'm like, I really think it's one tree hills fault. Like they sunk me in that pool and put weighted belts in my lap and like I had a regulator and I just had to be underwater and then act like I was drowning, but I thought I was drowning. And I really don't, I just don't think I'm ever going to be able to do it, you guys. Oh, wait, I do not remember this. I have nightmares about drowning. Yeah. That's yuck.

It's like in my body. But, you know, what a dumb thing that you'll, you'll, like, go to work. And it's like, yeah, you know, we'll just give you this pool of ice water for your face. Like, it'll be really good for your skin before you put your makeup on. And I'm like, no, no, can't do it. No. Can't won't. Oh, sorry.

I agree with that. I told my kid, like, I was like, mom's a witch, so we don't do water. So now they don't expect me to take them swimming or into the ocean. Like, I don't do the water sport. Oh, you got out scot-free. But, like, when we were little, we had glasses. I don't like going underwater because the man I had to take my contacts out and I was blind. Like, I didn't, I associated it with, like, losing a sense.

Yeah. And so, yeah, I've, gross. That feels like an EMDR thing could handle that. Maybe. Or we could just stay on land. Or just ignore it all together. definitely have a little bit of it like it was just shark week and y'all know i love shark week like i love it you could never go in the cage oh no i've done it i've i've done the cage diving

i'm into it and i i don't know you guys like i'm watching all these shows and i'm like we are so dumb like we think the ocean is for us like humans maybe stop like not everything has to be for us Maybe we should just leave the ocean to the sharks and the jellyfish and all the other cool deep-sea creatures. Like, perhaps we should just stop. You wouldn't walk into your neighbor's house. You know what I mean? No. Don't walk into their house.

Leave their house. It's their house. Yeah. But I think the only reason I could, when I went cage diving, because I've always wanted to dive with sharks, but I'm afraid of being that far underwater, there's like a version you can do where the top, you know, like 18 inches of the cage. of the cage is out of the water. So you can come, like, up and down of your own discretion. That is for me. Oh, yeah. Like, I'm good in a swimming pool. I just, I, no, mm-mm, drowning. That's the one. Real roundabout way of answering. Snakes water in school. Drowning for 500, Alex. Thanks for triggering us, Lindsay.

Where do we go. I'm sweating. I am too. Just get the hard one out of the way first. Sammy. May wants to know. This is actually a very interesting question. As actors, do we prefer like this new 10 episode situation for seasons, like 8 to 10 episodes, or the 22 episode seasons? It depends on what kind of show you're shooting. Depends on if they expect us to move, you know? Yeah, that's a huge part of it too. Yeah. It is a grueling schedule. I mean, 22 episodes is a lot of TV. 22 episodes is like a full-time career, right?

It's like, this is my 9-to-5 job. I go here every day. I live in this town where it films. And if you are someone who is trying to support a family, that stability can feel really nice. I feel like that 8 to 10 model came around when they started getting movie stars to be on TV. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't want to commit to an entire year because they still wanted to be able to go and do movies. And so you had these movie stars. Yeah, Julia Roberts was like, I'll try it. Dip my toe in this. Yeah. Well, I also think to your point, it sort of depends, right? I think what we're seeing so much with all the information coming out of the strikes is eight to 10 is not really financially feasible for many people. not for guest stars, not for writers, not for your day players, and really not unless you are, you know, Julia Roberts coming in and you're going to command your salary no matter what. But I also think 22 is so difficult because you are expected to pick up and move your whole life. You are expected to leave everything and everyone that's important to you. And so my, like I always think, well, what would I do if I ran a studio? I'm like, why don't we do 16 episode seasons?

Yeah, split the difference. Split the difference. Eight to 10 is tough. 22 is too many. I think 16 would be a real sweet spot. You heard it here first. Yeah. Is no other show doing that?

Isn't 16 a thing? That's not a thing anywhere? Not yet. We keep talking about it. The Walking Dead in its last year did about that because they had like an extended last year. But not many. Yeah. It's one of the.

No, it's not standard. Yeah. Well, and remember, like, you know, Joy, when we were doing season nine, the way we made it work was to say it's essentially going to be a miniseries. We did 13 episodes. And then we all got finished with work right before the Thanksgiving holidays. So we were free for the holidays. And then we were all available for pilot season, which was important to us, you know,

coming out of a show. But, yeah, it's weird. And it's, I think 13 to 16 is such a nice way to have the opportunity to do a job you love and have a little bit of a life and some career flexibility. We should be in charge is really the point. I'm going to write a letter. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia.

And on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television. writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This feels fun. Kay asks, what's your go-to excuse to get out of plans? oh man i you know what i honestly just started telling people the truth it's just so much easier if you just tell the truth you don't have to have a good memory so i just tell people like i'm too tired or i love you but i can't i'm or i completely forgot because i didn't put it in my calendar

or um i don't know i don't know what else it's like look this is me if you don't like me it's okay but i can't i'm sorry i wish my brain were better at this stuff but it's not and i i don't always remember my plans. Yeah. But what's it? I don't know. But do you guys, you guys have like excuses that make it easier for you? Yeah, I live in bump. Like, it's so hard for me to get anywhere. Yeah, you're just like, I'm just not there. I'm not there. I'm like, man, that sounds so cool. I don't like driving at night. Um, and so if it happens off compound at, you know, 730, it's probably not going to work out. And, and I like that I have cultivated. the circle of friends that, like, are cool with that.

They get it. Yeah. She doesn't want to be out. I feel similarly in that my friends know that I want to do things. I think still from, like, you know, leaving for a decade and then leaving for five years for our jobs. It's like, I have such intense, happy FOMO being like, I want to be there. I want to see you. If I'm home, I want to come.

And then also sometimes I'm like, I know I said I'd come to this. but today I'm tired. Yeah. I can't. I just can't do it. I think to be honest is great. And I agree with you, Joy. Like, if I do not put something in my calendar the minute I say I'm going to do it, it's gone.

A couple weekends ago, I took a bunch of my girlfriends and my mom to the Rose Bowl. And my friends were having a barbecue that day that I was like, yeah, I'm coming. Can't wait to see you. Didn't put it in my calendar. I forgot. We left the Rose Bowl. And my mom was like, girls, do you want to come over to the? house and get in the pool and I'll have Charles cook lunch for you and we were like yeah that sounds great

it was amazing we all went to my parents house my mom made us margaritas my dad made burgers I was like honestly being at the age where your parents are your homies and you can bring like six of your girlfriends to their house and lay in their pool all day is so fun I know your mom loved that oh yeah my mom was in heaven and then by the way it was like your dad and I are going to a party at four so you have to be out by four o'clock. We were like, okay. Okay, fine. I start getting texts at six, like, where were you today? And I'm like, for what? And I just missed a whole other pool party because it wasn't in my calendar. It wasn't in the calendar. Oh, oops. Sifty. Yeah, honesty is the way to go and get friends who understand you and who know that you care about them and that sometimes

your brain is a little scrambling. And it's okay. Yeah. It's all right. That's the way. What is a book you love that you would like to see turned into a movie or series? This is from Soren. That's interesting. I'm trying to think of the last thing I read that I actually would want to see. Because the thing is movies don't always do the book justice. You know, you really fall in love with the characters and you have such an experience when you're reading. Oh, I don't know.

I made friends with this, an author named Angela Slatter. Because a couple years ago for my birthday, I got an anthology of witch stories from Emily Moss Wilson, who has directed a bunch of us in Christmas movies and is a good buddy of ours. She sent me this book, and there was a short story that really stood out, and I just, like, sent the author a tweet, DM, whatever, and she and I have become, like, great pals. And she lives in Australia. She writes fiction about women who are a little bit witchy. And she has this entire series called The Sourdough Series. And it's all like short story collections that are interwoven with each other. So they all exist in the same world.

But the stories don't necessarily have to be like tightly tied together. I like when authors do that. Yeah, that Sourdough universe is so cool. and it's not time or region specific. It really could exist anywhere, which as a creator is exciting because you're like, God, I could put this in the Wild West or I could put this in, you know, Scotland, wherever. Yeah. It's cool.

She's a fantastic writer. I did just remember I read a book called Ordinary Monsters. It's a massive book. It's so thick. And it took me forever to get through because I have no time. I don't make time for reading. But I do remember thinking it would be an amazing series. Maybe it's already in development.

I don't know. But it's about all these orphan children that have these kind of superpowers. But it's not a typical fantasy or like a superhero book or anything like that. It's really sophisticated. And it's a lot of philosophy. And it was very, very cool. Cool. that's so fun

well nia and i are actually in the in the process of acquiring a book that we want to make into a movie so i can't tell you what it is but when we do i'll let you know soren wait for it soren

wait for it it's gonna be good all right anna wants like a specific like plot point question answered. All right. We could do that. She says, do you think when Nanny Carrie was looking for the nanny job that she had pure intentions of just being a nanny

or she was seeking out a child to kidnap? I didn't ever think that she was actually, I mean, I'm curious what you guys think about this, but I didn't ever think she was actually coming in intending to steal a child. I think she was just a pretty wayward soul. Maybe she had locked in on Nathan prior to coming over and, well, the only word I know is auditioning. What's the word? Interviewing. Interviewing. Interviewing for the job. I think I could see that happening. I don't know if she was after, like, I'm going to replace this woman and take over her family.

I feel like she just probably had a long string of pretty psychotic experiences prior to coming into our lives and then just continued the cycle. Yeah, that tracks. I bet she had, man, I bet she was like engaged to a guy named Todd or Kevin or something. And he was awful. And she thought they were going to get married and have a baby and have the white picket fence. and then she found out he was sleeping with a waitress in town and just everything went sideways. She just, man, she got in that Ford Explorer

and she drove out of there. And that's when Jamie like, you know, ran down the driveway with that little basketball and she saw him and was like, man, wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't that future be nice? I'd like to try that on for size. Could be. Yeah.

Yeah, it's really interesting to think about, right? Like, it could have been a reaction to something in her life. it could be the you know story that we've certainly heard which is famous guy you know has a fan who's obsessed with him like I don't know I I would love to know I wish we'd have this question when we had Tori on because I'd love to know what she decided as the backstory for Carrie yeah you know yeah we should ask her see what she says poor Carrie what a mess Yeah, guys, let's keep this question for next time. Tori comes back.

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, I like this from Kat. What is your favorite memory together from the Drama Queen's Tour last year? I mean, honestly, Hillary watching you manhandle that RV.

Loved it. Yeah. Y'all. You drove that thing like a boss. That was fun. I liked being in the RV. I just recently went on the RV rental website where we rented that RV. Here's what I liked about that experience. We didn't tell the guy who we rented the RV from what our purposes were. He just thought we were going on like a bachelorette weekend. Right? And so if you want to rent the RV that we used for the drama queen, tour. It's on RV share. Is that the name of the website? Probably. I'm going to look it up right now. That's actually great. You should, you should totally plug that. Wait, does he know now? No, I don't think he ever put two and two together. But what I've noticed is from the time we rented that RV, I just went on there last month because Jeffrey and I are talking about renting an RV again at the holidays. And this guy has now acquired an entire fleet of RVs.

and it's his business now. Just renting out RVs to random bachelorette parties and flocks of women. And touring girls. Yeah. Girls out there learning how to drive a 30-foot vehicle. Is it RV share? Yeah, that was fun. Got some good tunes going. It was a good time.

It was also really nice to see our friends, like the people that came out and met us in the cities that we were in and came on stage and, chatted with us. That was a blast of chatting with our friends. Isn't it weird, though, to have them see you in this capacity? Like, my friends give me shit about it. They're like, what are you doing on stage? Like, chatting, you know? Get off your high horse, Burton.

Get into the bar. Yeah, I liked having teachers there. That was really fun. That was super sweet. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's great. Yeah, whole Sterling crew came out. It was so special to feel the excitement in the room and get to share memories with people.

And then it was so fun to leave the events and be able to have dinner and catch up with, you know, the guests who came out to see us. Like, it was really neat to get both the intimate experience of our group of friends and then this big sort of like reunion energy where you realize how big the community is. it was neat to have both of those things happen on the same night in every city. Yeah, well, because like when's the last time we saw Matt Barr? It was so awesome seeing him and meeting his fiance and they're like now married and like so cool catching up with people that you have these big moments with as a young person, but then like your pads don't cross. And so seeing him was great.

Watching the dynamic of Rob and Tyler kind of like deepen. and evolve. Oh my gosh. They're so good together. And were they on the show together? Like, did they interact on the show? I feel like maybe toward the end they interacted because I know, I mean, I know Tyler was on at the end.

And yeah, Robin Chantal were at the end too. So they must have interacted. But if nobody ever thought to put the two of them in a scene together, that's just a real missed opportunity. Was Rob funny on one tree hill? Yeah. No, not on one tree hill. They didn't really give him a chance to.

be funny. That's crazy. He had so much heavy material. I mean, so much heavy material. Just depression. His wife died. He's like haunted by her ghost. He's falling in love with this new girl who's got all these, she's got a lot of her own baggage and there's people stalking them again. And it was really, uh, he got the patent treatment. Good for him. Yeah. I mean, he should, he should just redo his one tree hill scenes but like as a farce just from his own YouTube channel i would i'm glad he got to get out there and be a little bit funny for the fans thank goodness okay uh let's see keely says she's a question for us from our 23 questions what is something you've done that you will never we are never ever ever but what's something

you've done you would never do again take a ride in Vegas from a man I don't know. There was an experience that I think about all the time when I worked at MTV and it was like pre-cell phone era where my car from the Luxor Hotel in Las Vegas to the airport never showed up. And everybody else was off filming and I had no way of getting in touch with anyone

that was a part of our crew out there. And this guy in a limo saw me in distress and was like, I'll take you to the airport. And I was like, you know what? Fine. It's a limo. I think about it all the time. Just all that kind of dumb stuff that I would do. Or like when a taxi driver would be like, you can sit up front.

And I just would. Like all that kind of that our parents told us not to do that I did anyway, I have tremors about now. Yeah. It's terrifying when you think he's about your own kids. You're like, oh God, please don't do things that are that stupid. Don't walk home alone at 2 a.m. No. But it's also so weird because sometimes people who offer to help you are wonderful. Yeah. And sometimes on a walk at 2 a.m., you see something magical. And it's like, what's hard to think about with that stuff is I don't want us to be suspicious of each other. I don't want us to be suspicious of each other. I don't want us to. miss spontaneity. And I hate that there are, you know, people who could be a bad idea in those situations. And it's like, oh, the gamble. That's it. Maybe that's it. Maybe I don't gamble like I used to. I've got things to lose now. I didn't back then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When the stakes are higher, it sure makes a difference. What would I do that I'm never? I mean, I'll never join a cult again.

Joy! No, thanks. But, no, seriously, okay, here's something that's, I mean, I tried a cheese once that was the most disgusting thing I've ever eaten in my entire life. And I will never, ever, ever, ever eat that cheese again. That's reasonable. It's called Morbier cheese. Probably because it tasted like death. Where did you try it?

I tried it. Beth Kroekam's house. It was on some charcutory board. No. It looked like blue cheese or Gorgonzola. And I was like, I'm like a stinky cheese. Sure. No.

That's trial and error. That's human. You had to try it. It was an error. You're good now. That's it. Now I now have to do it again. Oh, boy.

I don't know if I have one that's like a thing like that. You'll never stick your face in a bowl of water again. I sure won't. By the way, I'll never do a drowning scene on camera again. I'm done. No. No, you're going to get through this. You're going to go, you're going to go see somebody who's going to

help you take care of that. She's going to get hypnotized or something? Do it. Do what you got to do. Yeah, maybe. I thought about it when I watched the, the jungle boat cruise. God, Emily Blent and the Rock were so good in that movie. I really enjoyed them. But she, you know, she's in the thing in her, like, cute little nightgown in the water. And I was just like, man, I don't know. And then I was like, but also, if I had gotten to do this movie, like, I'd have done it because this is amazing. So I suppose you can never say never, but... I think one of the things I've been thinking about in this space lately is like, and maybe a little more in line with your answer, Hillary,

these ideas of when we've trusted our guts or not or when we've taken risk and not. And I never want to be a person who stops taking risks and like who stops leaning in. But I do, you know, I do think there's really something to getting to an age, just like we were saying earlier, Joy, like when you have. friends who you can just say, like, eh, I changed my mind today. I'm tired. Like, you need sort of rest and honesty. I think there's something about really like getting in touch with your gut instincts and going, oh, I'm, I'm not going to do the thing where I, where I ignore my instinct about something for however the response to that instinct is rationalized.

Mm-hmm. You know? And that's something I've really been thinking about in terms of like looking back over life and going, oh, yeah, I do think we have to be willing to meet people where they are. But I also think when like when you have that feeling of I don't think this is for me, like, that's okay. Well, you're an optimist. You'll do the thing where you're like, there's 37 red flags here, but there's one yellow flag and I could work with that. I love yellow. But it's a beautiful thing. Like you don't want to shut that part of your heart down. And I don't.

That's so hard to figure out. Like, yeah, with boundaries and then also just like, this just isn't the road for me, you know. And then still being able to see, you know, see the best in people or situations and be hopeful. You still want to take 2 a.m. walks. Maybe just not like in certain neighborhoods sometimes. And take a big dog. Yeah, that's it. You just add the big dog.

Take a 2 a.m. walk with your girlfriends. That's right. Safety and numbers, I think, is a great idea. Again, we're just changing the level of risk we take, maybe, but still taking them. Yeah. Modified risk is what we're looking for at this phase. Cool. I like that.

Okay. Modified risk. Is that the name of this episode? We did it. We've evolved. Hooray. All right. Well, you guys keep sending your questions.

And then, yes, we, you know what? Let's tackle those 23 questions ourselves. We're going to get on that. Thank you for that ask you guys, and we will see you next episode. See you soon. See you later. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review.

You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens, O-T-H. Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Chearing for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl.

You could sit with us, girl. Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Drama, drama queens. It may look different, but native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the fourth, who opened the first. first native comic bookshop. Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show,

Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.