Drama Queens - Passing Notes w/Danneel Ackles (Rachel Gatina) • EP306

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Danneel Ackles aka Rachel Gatina is back! We're getting all the BTS on Rachel and Danneel...Rachel was never supposed to stay in Tree Hill and Danneel was a pageant girl! Which of the guys would Danneel have picked...her answer might surprise you! And, remember passing notes in class...maybe we were on to something!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Season three, episode six, locked hearts and hand grenades. Air date November 9th, 2005. Hillary, what was this episode about? Oh, my God. What's the fantasy boy draft? You guys, we're going to give you the rundown on this, but not to be confused with the boy toy auction, by the way. That's it.

It was like, they were like, you know what's worked in the past? Wait, did we do the boy toy already? The boy toy auction already? The boy to auction was season one. Yeah, they were like, we like hot ass. And so to join us for this, you know, selling boys' body episode was our wonderful friend, Danielle Harris Ackles. Danielle, honey, well, listen, a lot happened this episode and Rachel was the spicy center of a lot of it. To prevent the cheer squad from fighting for the same guy, Brooke sets up this fantasy boy draft.

it backfires, as predicted. Haley continues to work with Chris Keller as he pushes her to write better music. The mayoral race heats up between Dan and Karen and Lucas is having so much trouble keeping up with the pace of basketball. It's just things are dramatic. This week. It's a bit intense. We wanted you to come back for Rachel's introduction because it was the perfect curveball for our show.

and since we didn't get to talk with you. Yeah, we needed her energy. Let's go back, because as long as we're like looking at boy bodies in this episode, we might as well go back and remember the full display that you had to do with your cheerleading audition. Yeah, what was like, how the hell did you end up on our show? What happened? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Well, I auditioned, but when I auditioned, I didn't have to do that dance. There was no, I mean, I mean, look, full disclosure, I was a cheerleader, but I was always the one that was like in the back row and I was a base. Same. I was like the lifter of girls and I was like never the one who could follow along with the steps. And I was always the one who was like counting along with my mouth. One, two, three, four. Like it's always that person. So it's like the kid in the play that's always mouthing other people's lines to them.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I was always in the back. And so with Rachel and like her, you know, her first, you know, her introduction is you have to learn a dance. And I remember getting the dance when I got to set. And I was like, oh, they think I'm like a real performer who could just like learn this in a day. Like I need a month for this. Like I needed to. So it was a lot. And I think it was to the whisper song. It was really gross, yeah. Turn up the volume is very scary. It's pretty scandalous. Gus is obsessed with Star Wars right now, and I was explaining to him the viral sensation that was Star Wars Kid, like, around that time. Do you guys remember that video?

Yes, totally. And so we repeated it in those cheerleading tryouts. We had, like, a Star Wars kid. And so I went to show him that. I was like, look, we referenced this in One Tree Hill. And then all of a sudden, Rachel comes out and starts out. starts doing her dance, and I had to like, oh, no. You're like, oh, he's like, oh, that's DeNeil.

And I'm like, ah, ah, ah, we're not going to look at Aunt DeNeil like this. Yeah. Oh, my God. I don't remember how many times. You told, I saw you this weekend and you told me you auditioned for a different character. Yeah. So I auditioned for Brooke. And at least I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure it was Brooke. I was going through a record collection and being really bitchy, but not in a bitchy Peyton way. Oh. I'm pretty sure that was Brooke. That had to have been Brooke. It was a Brooke audition. So they loved you and brought you back then for this.

Did you have to audition again for Rachel? Or was it like we remember how much we love that girl call her? No. So it wasn't like a giant audition. I do remember that. It was just like, you know, maybe like 10 of us or something. thing. Yeah, but there were a couple girls. But I do remember specifically there was no dancing required and I was not told about any of that. And then I get there and I was just like so nervous.

And I had to meet you guys all. I met all of you in like a Pamela Anderson outfit that was super tight. It was leather. Maybe it was vinyl. It was so, it was a lot. It was nerve-wracking. I think it would have talked about that dress because I had, as Peyton, and as Hillary, had zero problem with it. It was just like, oh, my God, look at her calves. Like, she's amazing. Yeah, you looked amazing. And what I like about the way you play Rachel is, I suppose any of those other girls auditioning

could have played some of these lines really bitchy. Like, oh, is that your boyfriend? You know? Yeah. And Rachel, from the jump, earnestly asks Brooke. She's like, oh, I'm so sorry. Is that your boyfriend? And Brooke's the one that keeps saying no.

No, no. And so... Yeah. So Rachel doesn't necessarily get shitty with Brooke until Brooke is like clearly offended by her presence. And it kind of doesn't make sense. It's like... Yeah, it really feels like it's... Yeah.

It's kind of all on Brooke right now. I mean, and Rachel's seems to be having a little fun with having fun with her about it because she's clearly so bothered and Rachel is clearly so not bothered. But, you know, when you see somebody that's all worked up about something, it's fun. Joy, do you like to push a button here and there? I don't, but there are several kinds of people. And some people like to just kind of poke buttons a little bit when you see somebody who's really worked up. I don't know.

I just, this whole episode, I'm like, Rachel's so nice. She's so friendly and genuine. I don't know. Why is Brooke so mad? I was, oh, who was it? I was really into Ivana Chubbock, the acting coach. She was like a famous acting coach. I think she's passed away now, but she wrote this really great book.

And I remember for this specifically for this audition, I went back through her book. And I used some of her techniques. And what I discovered with Rachel is you never needed to play Rachel bitchy. And if you did, you know, that no one was really going to respond to her. because the lines by themselves were so terrible that if you didn't say it with a smile or didn't say it with like, you know, I always gave Rachel the back story of, you know, her parents traveled and she has been in a thousand schools. And she expects to leave Tree Hill. Yeah. She does not expect to be there. She's there. And what, how was it like we were sophomores or? You go to the junior year because we have one more year left to school. Yeah.

Okay. So, I mean, she was just like, well, this is like I've spent two previous years in different schools. Now I'm going to be here for just a second. And like, and I wasn't supposed to be a series regular. I was only a recurring guest star. So it played that played end of my backstory that was in my head of like, I'm just popping in here for a minute like I do every school. Yeah. And it's more fun. I'm just like what? Like, okay, y'all are going to get all serious. Everybody's worked up about this. But. But. I'm going to leave in a minute. So it doesn't matter. I don't need to invest too much. So her lines to me were always just kind of, they needed to be more flippant and more like, oh. That's so smart. And it tracks when I watch your performance.

I see that choice. Oh, it's senior year. We just had that big beach party where we're like, it's our last year of high school. That almost lends itself to being flippant because it's like, guys. We're out of here. Yeah, don't be babies. You and your little boyfriends.

so cute yeah you're not going to know them and rachel would never know anybody long term because of moving so much so it's you know she doesn't develop those really strong relationships and i think later later on not to be a spoiler but that's i think that's why she holds so close to the mouth when they do become friends because that really was her only true friend at tree hill Brooke a little, but they always, it got good and then it... Seesaw. What was high school like for you for real? I mean, I know that you, I, listen, I told on you, I told the other girls that you were

a pageant queen because... Oh, yes, that... That picture of you with the puffy sleeves and the scepter is like my favorite picture. It's my... Oh, my God, the scepter. It's my favorite. Throughout my life, various friends, I like, it's one of those things where, like, I'll go over to people's house and they found it on the internet.

internet and I did it out because of refrigerator. I'm like, okay, classic. I've seen this like a thousand times. I'm going to get a cardboard cut out of it and just have it here in the office. I was the Cajun culture queen. And you know what? I'm proud of my Cajun culture. And I can tell you a lot about it. It was just like a thing to do where I grew up. Everybody did it. And I only did that one pageant, though. That was it for me. I wasn't like a full life. I did one and I won. What do you guys want for me. I did one and I won. I was like, okay, I'd check that. But, you know, I did a lot of things in high school. I was like a, I had a lot of different, um, different friend groups. And, you know, I changed high schools my sophomore year, or let's see, middle of my freshman year. I changed

from like a really small high school to a really big high school. And so I got to kind of reinvent myself, I think. Um, as much as you can do in a town with like, you know, three red lights. So I reinvented myself and everyone was like, no, no, you're, no, you're still bad girl. We already know. But high school for me was fun. I don't have any like bad memories of high school. I enjoyed it. I mean, sure, I got my feelings hurt and I probably hurt feelings. But all in all, it was a good experience. Nothing quite like Tree Hill. Well, I would say. Yeah, but these kids go through. God. And no offense to all the people. went to high school with, but, like, Tree Hill is, like, one of the most beautiful high school.

Like, did you see all the cute boys? Like, is that normal? And the cheerleaders are super cute. Like, this was during that era of, like, CW casting or Warner Brothers casting where they're like, literally every face has to be, you know. Every face. Every face has to be magical. That was a lot to live up to, though. But that's what you went to the CW4, if you were an audience member. Glamour. You knew. Yeah, it was just all pretty.

And that was the trope and the joke, right, about the network. Like, it's just all pretty people. Right. Yes. I don't know. Yeah, well, they were, they were beautiful. I noticed that about Tree Hill. It's like, wow, this is a good-looking high school. Who would you have picked in the boy draft?

Who would have your, who would your pick have been? I think it be a tossing. up between well I think Nathan because just because we were watching him run back and I'm like this is a cute guy like yeah I don't know probably not Lucas because are we talking about me or Rachel you know we can we can be safe and say Rachel like who do you think Rachel I don't think Rachel would be into all the philosophical poetry and all the philosophical poetry and all that. I think she would maybe roll her eyes and a bit. I wouldn't want to be on a date with someone as Rachel. And they're like starting to quote poetry. Like I'm no. Kill me now. So yes. I think

probably Nathan, Chris Keller. I'm taking like all of your men. Joy, sorry. Those do maybe. Why do I slap you in later events? Don't I throw a drink in your face? No, you thought I drink Why do we fight? We fight in an episode coming up soon, right? Why do we fight? I throw a drink in your... I do something with your husband. Oh, because you were after Nathan.

That's right. Yeah. You did eventually decide. Yeah, that's what it was. But a lot happens to her. I mean, she has to overcome... I mean, there was like, you know, she was heavier in her younger years and Brooke put all those pictures up of her.

So she's embarrassed in front of the... the whole high school so i think like then she starts to retaliate she becomes yeah but um yeah you threw a drink on me and then slapped me do i slap you no because you're pregnant right the girls get in so many altercations on this show i feel like you were pregnant so i would i don't feel like i would have hit you i think i was pregnant too so maybe it's next year next season Well, it's girl fighting that kicks off this whole boy draft. This idea that, like, the cheerleading squad is just fighting over boys. Yeah.

And, like, physically fighting with each other. Bevan and one of the other cheerleaders have each other in, like, headlocks. I love how much screen time Bevin got this episode. It was crazy. I don't remember that, but it's awesome. And I want to see, like, I want to see more of her character with skills. Chemistry was so good. It was really unexpected, too. It was sexy. To me, that was the most interesting scene of the episode because there was just so, there was like little fireworks happening on camera. It was great.

Yeah. I can't wait until they come on the podcast. Well, we've had both, but we need to get them together. They're both great comedic actors. And usually on our show, we use our comedic actors to lighten up the straight men. So like Lucas would get paired with. skills to lighten the fuck out right you know Peyton gets paired with people to lighten up um when we have these scenes where we've got two great comedic actors working together that's why the skills Barbara stuff is so good it's so fun yeah no it's you know we don't get to do a lot of it's usually just kissing and crying every once in a while I want to giggle make me laugh no but I like I agree I really liked that it was good it was very sexy It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer, because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first. first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

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Now she's starring in Joe Pickett alongside Michael Dorman. He just did a movie with Sophia. Oh, that's right. He did that one in the motel room. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember the name of it. Yeah. She was great.

I remember her like in this specific episode the director for some reason kept making her say that line skills to bevin over and over and over and like I just remember that in my head like the minute she said skills to bevin I had like a traumatic flinch

I was like oh god I just remember sitting on that couch and something was going wrong I don't know if it was like technical or whatever it was but it was like She kept having to say that line and then she ended up like being so upset, you know, it was just, I remember that room being a, just a bit difficult that day. But she was great. And she, um, she went on and did a movie after that that was kind of big. It was like a high school film. Oh, that's cool. I love seeing people who are still working in the industry and still like making stories and making great movies pop up in their early, early beginning days pop up on our show.

I was also on, like, Friday to 13th. Yeah, I was going to Jared Padalaki, yeah, because I remember going to the premiere of that and seeing her. And I was like, oh, my gosh. So, yeah. We know, we can talk about that boy draft. We don't have to talk about things in order because when we saw that this was the episode we were watching, we were all like, ooh, ooh, because this was a hard one.

It was hard to shoot. They had like 300 girls in a room. And not only are you supposed to know. your own lines, but you're supposed to know everyone else's lines so you can rapid fire, like, you know, talk one right after another. The timing has to be. Yeah. It was

impossible. And the director, I think, got very frustrated with us. She was kind of grouchy anyway. She did one episode of our show and was like, I'm never talking to you guys again. Never again. Yes, that is what

I remember the minute I saw. I also remember remember not understanding the boy draft at all. And I watched it again and I still don't understand. And I don't understand fantasy football draft. So, and I don't know how that works. So maybe that's why I'm so confused. But I was watching it. I was like, I don't get it. Like, okay. So it's a day. Brook is explaining it. Right. Yeah. Brooke's explaining it. And I still had trouble figuring out what the actual. Yeah. So nobody's allowed to like that that's the boy that you can chase for the entire season and no one else can chase after him?

I don't like it. Is that what it is? I don't understand. I don't get it. I don't like the whole like I don't. When you're 16 years later. Yeah, 16, 17 years old, like you've got to pick one. You know, like you're supposed to be chasing three or four at any time when you're 16 or 17. It's like a real live version of mash. Yeah. Like we were trying to do, you know, the piece of paper, mash, Mary and apartment shack house or whatever. Oh, that's what it is. Mansion, apartment, shack house. You never did this, Hillary? Of course I did this. Of course. But I was always like, I want to live in a castle with bats and, you know, like, I want to marry a vampire. I feel like Brooke was trying to create her own live, real life version of MASH.

Yeah, I was confused by it then. I remain confused by it. I don't know what we were doing, but I knew I had to pick Lucas and it was to piss. broke off. So that was the only important thing. Did you guys have like girl code when you were growing up? Like was it like you and your friends made agreements like we're not going to like the same guy? Yeah, but it never worked. Right. Yeah, exactly. I would agree with that. In fact, I remember, I remember me and my friend both going out with the same guy like in the fifth grade or something, fifth or sixth grade. And it was like, yeah, we're both his girlfriend. Interesting. They were so progressive. It worked for like. Four days.

Yeah. In high school, I just was in a very small town. So by nature, you were going to date somebody that somebody else's had already been with. But sometimes that's good because you can learn a lot before you get into that relationship. My best friend and I dated guys in college. So our senior year, we dated college boys. And they were best friends. They had graduated two years before us.

And they were best friends And we were best friends And we would like double date And like super cute Until Did your parents know? My mom would have killed me Yeah

Oh my God, me too But we'd grown up in the same town We'd known these guys Since we were little Like it's not like they were like Mysterious older guys I'd known them since they were like You know, nerdy fifth graders

Although immediately after graduating high school My boyfriend was 29 I was 18 Yeah, guys come on It's like you and a doper I dated a 28-year-old when I was at 19, too. Yeah, poor choices. But these boys decided that they wanted to switch.

They decided that I was a better fit for her boyfriend, and she was a better fit for my boyfriend, and they decided they want to. Talk about progressive. Guys, no, I was the bitch that was just like, we're done here. We're done. No, everyone's done. I'm done here. Like, didn't Shania Twain do that? No, dude, I completely left the quadrant.

I left the quadrant. Oh, that's right. She, wait, wait, they doce-y-dodged spouses. Yeah, they did. With who? With who? So her husband started cheating on her with the best friends. The little couple they were best friends with, I think, y'all.

We have to go back and look. But then, and then the other two were kind of like bonding with each other about it or something. And then they started, there was something about. And so now is that the situation? They just did a full switcheroo and now everybody's happy again. there's still dinner parties, it's still just like... I don't know how happy it is, baby. Yeah, I don't know if they hang out necessarily.

Do-se-do. But disclaimer, none of us know Shania or anything about her life. But if she wants to come on and tell us all about it, we're totally gay. Yeah, Shania, come explain. Yeah. I'm into it. Well, um... Guys, this episode felt to me like it was a placeholder.

Yeah. Like, nothing happened. And all the things that were supposed to see. seem really meaningful, like Lucas's speeches and even a couple moments with Nathan and Haley, I guess. And it all just felt like kind of a filler. Like they couldn't figure out what to do with this episode. And they just said, well, let's just do something fun.

Nothing matters. Is it a spec script? Oh, that's interesting. Because here's the deal. When they're hiring new writers or when they're like bringing new people into the writer's room, a lot of times they're like, just write a standalone episode. so that we can pop it in whenever we need to pop it in. And this one really doesn't connect to anything, you know?

No, the only connections are the Dan and Karen stuff and Dan and Bar, I always want to call her Barbara, Dan and Deb. And those are just continuations of a storyline that already started. But there's no real progression in either of those storylines. They just kind of exist. I didn't think her moving that sign was a big deal. I didn't know. I understand that. She didn't deface it or anything. You just had it towed. I was like,

okay, so you got it moved? Yeah. And you put a little bumper sticker on the back. As an adult. She was very nice, though. No. As an adult, we're so much more capable of vandalism at this age than we were when we were younger. Absolutely. What would you have done to it? I mean, at least like popped a giant poop emoji on the head or, I don't know. Done some more with the, with the like, there should have been more diarrhea or something. Oh, more. You wanted more poop jokes.

Yeah. I wanted to see that. Like, I guess we weren't. It was too early in the series to, like, actually see a poop stain. Or maybe that would be like standards and practices would be like, no, no, no, no. But I wanted to see a poop stain. I love that Paul was so committed to that, like when he was in Karen's Cafe yelling at her. and then, like, the way he kind of hobbled off.

That was cute. I love he was, like, so game for anything. Yes. But I thought there was some really good, like, Brooke Rachel lines in there. And, like, there was definitely a lot of, like, if I look on my Instagram, some of those scenes are always on there because it's, like, the totally beaches moment. Oh, yeah. Like, people love that line. Yeah.

Just some of the early Brooke Rachel faceoffs, I think. And those were so much fun to shoot. Like, I just remember, like, being done with those and then laughing because they were so ridiculous and, you know. You guys out bitching each other. It takes a big personality to stand up to Brooke, you know? Like, you cannot be a little bit intimidated or insecure. You have to outbrook Brooke in order to play the game with her.

And so watching you two together is so fun because this is the first time. And we've actually seen Brooke kind of insecure. Like, she wasn't insecure with Erica Marsh. She knew exactly who she was with Erica Marsh, you know? Yeah. This is fun. It's, I also like the way when there's the Haley, Brooke interactions. Because, like, Brooke is like, and Haley's just like, yeah.

So anyway, and it's, like, just so grounded. And it's just like these two, I love it. it. I loved watching that. That's like every conversation y'all have in that episode was like that. It is. That's true. I love seeing, yeah, I loved seeing Brooke and Haley really getting a chance to play ball and bat around their friendship in the last, this season. It's been really fun. I like watching Haley and Chris. Like, you want to talk about chemistry. You and Tyler have such good chemistry. on this show. And so Chris, that segue between them talking about something sucking and then Chris being like, the song sucks, you know? Yeah. Was a great segue.

And he- The only thing that's good about that song besides it being over. Yes. They always gave him great lines. He really did. He had the same hair as me in that episode, hair color. I don't remember his hair. I don't remember his hair being red.

I don't know why. I always remember to being like, it might have just been the light in the room, but it has the tint of the filter. Yeah. Yeah, there was like a neon sign in that room, I think. No. But he is a good catalyst for Haley.

The conversation that you guys have in the recording studio is great because he's like, he's doing exactly what Nathan wants him to do. And that's to push her and get her to stop lying or stop pretending or being safe. And it is weird that he's the only person that can do that. And then when he comes to the cafe and he puts her name on the board. I totally forgot about that. Wait. What?

Oh, I thought you did that. No, when Chris, oh, no, she's talking about earlier when Chris came in and did that. Yeah. That was really sweet. And I love the Scott at the end. Oh, you know what made me think of that because, they made me think of wanting to explain to the audience how they get those shots because the shot of Haley putting the Scott sticker on the map transitions into a shot of the Scott

letters on a what is it a locker or a jersey or something yeah but they have to measure that so specifically with the camera to make sure that they're the letters are going to line up exactly so that they can transit and then how to pull back from that to get to the actor's face because you're going from a super, super, super extreme close up and then pulling back out to a regular size, you could be there for like over an hour sometimes on each end, trying to make sure that you get the sizes exactly right. And I always think those things are interesting for people who don't work in our industry to know that you just see a cool shot. Oh, that's so cool. they transitioned on the Scott name.

That's neat. But sometimes the technical stuff is kind of fun to learn. So there you go. No, totally. And I mean, I'm sure people are always like, it takes y'all how long to make a 40-minute episode? Over, are we eight days? Oh, my God.

Because were we eight days? Yeah. We were eight. Yeah. And we spent seven of them like holding cupcakes in your apartment in this episode. Just like trying to get that fucking seed done. The cupcakes. Okay, so listen.

The props department is who supplies the cupcakes, right? They have to go out and get all the fake food. But they didn't get like 300 cupcakes for all 37 of these girls to eat in every single take. So the directors like- They might have thought I was just going to put them, you know, on the counter. Or that's what they, because they had meetings prior to this, like tone meetings and all these different sorts of meetings where everything is discussed. and it was probably said

that I would just put the cupcakes on the counter and then maybe on the day the director was like, no, no, no, she passes them out. And she wanted everyone to take bites of the cupcakes. Like, I remember that being like, she's like, these got to look like these girls love these cupcakes so that Brooke is upset. And so we'd all have blue mouths

because you know that icing from the grocery store cupcakes because I have kids and it is like a disaster that stuff. It doesn't come off. No. It does not come on. The great cupcake battle The Fantasy Boy Draft. It's so stupid the things that you remember.

It's so stupid. Because it's like, we filmed for eight days. But the cupcakes are the things where I'm like, oh, not those fucking things. Ugh. Yeah. Do you know what I have for you guys? Oh, I have a present for you. Sometimes my hoarding pays off.

And I have hoarded this Mouth McFadden boy draft card. for the last, like, 15 years. My gosh. It's got stats on the back. Hold on. How do I hold this? You can read it. Okay.

Yeah. Read the. What does it say? It says, number one, for your consideration, height 5-7, weight 190. In what world was Mount 57-190? I know. I know. Okay.

Art department got a little creative here. It says, born 10-10-89. Okay, so we know that Mount's birthday is 10-10. Oh, no, we know his birthday. It says, I'm the nice guy you've been waiting for, exclamation mark. And then bullet pointed, like on our resumes when we have to do special skills, it says, stylish, smart, sincere, great conversationalist, and great dancer. Available now, Mouth McFadden. Oh, my gosh, that's awesome.

I mean, this was literally, I stole this from set. And I, it's been in, like, a photo up. You should send that to Lee. You got to frame it in one of those frames that's glass in the front and glass in the back. Yeah. I love him. You can get him at like Marshalls. They're cheap.

Number one pick. He's a number one pick, guys. No, she's a hoarder. She's not going to give that to him. Yeah, Joy, there's no way in hell he's going to get it. I'll maybe take a screen grab and send it to him. But I'm going to be, I'm going to be 95 years old. Like, let me tell you kids about the fantasy boy draft, the cupcakes.

You got to get him to sign it and then still keep. Keep it. That's a classic move. By the way, he really is the best dancer. That's attractive. He is. He's a great dancer. Yeah. It really is. It makes a difference when a guy knows how to dance, doesn't it? Yeah. It's nice. Okay, so what were you going to say before I interrupted you with my totally sweet trading card? I was going to say, well, there's two things. A, I really want to go back to figuring out what we would have done to destroy dance campaign because I think that's such a fun topic. But also, why the hell does Lucas care so much? much about being on the varsity basketball team that he's willing to risk his life what is going on well i think he said he said in the episode that he'd never felt like he had fit in before and he'd finally found a group of people that you know supported him and he felt he felt safe and

all of that didn't he say that he did i mean it's not like he's hanging out with the bros it's not like he's like got a connection with the team at all and all the girls still want to hook up with him. So it's not like not playing basketball is going to ruin that. Again, it feels like a spec script. It feels like a standalone thing where it's like, Lucas just really has to care about basketball so much. Yeah. He's only been playing for what, half a year? Yeah, on the varsity team.

I mean, obviously he's been playing his whole life and the River Courtman means everything to him. guys mean everything but that's the other thing i mean what about his rivercourt friends aren't those the people that always made him feel like he belonged somewhere so why is he why is he suddenly all obsessed with the jocks at the high school who were always apples to him it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is nicole garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture it was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years.

You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation. basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I do love that this was like the first time we saw skills at school. About time, you know.

Was it? Yeah? One of the first. I mean, if it's not the first, it's the second. And he came in hot, which I like. Oh, yeah. I don't think we have seen him at school before. I mean, maybe sitting in a classroom. Maybe.

I don't know. How bad is Brooke at passing notes? Just like, who thought that was a good idea? Like, do kids even pass notes anymore? Does that still happen? I got, I got in big trouble, but it wasn't really passing a note. It was I left it in my pocket and my mom washed my pants, you know, and pulled it out and found it was bad.

It was like all about like the party that we had snuck out. And like, I don't know why my friend was writing in so much detail, but it was like all of it. She just like, and then at 7.30, when we set out your window and went to so-and-so's house and then I can't believe we stayed out until two in the morning. Can you? And it was just like, well, everything's there. My mom was like, okay, well, you're coming. And I'm like, couldn't even get out of it because like every single detail had been described. No way, man. I got caught in like second grade. It was such a great idea you had, Daniel. Yeah, great. You're the best sneaker out ever.

My mom did the same thing. She found a note in my pocket that I was the middleman. This girl, Jade wanted me to pass this note to her cousin in my class and my mom finds it in my pocket and it was just one sentence. It said, fuck you, Leon. And it was second grade. My mom found it. And it was just like, who's Leon? It has to be another t-shirt. I really need that t-shirt. You Leon. You, Leon. No. I used to pass notes all the time. We used to, I went to high school in New Jersey in a building that had been around for probably since like the 30s or 40s. So we had these old radiators that were on the sides of the rooms. And it was close enough to the desk where you could count

how many slats in the radiator there were. And you could like, so there was this little note space for notes. And I would slide my notes for my friend who was coming into the next class. So we would all leave the classroom and then he would come in and sit down. And my note would be there next to desk. Yes, this was like my best friend in high school. And so I would always leave a little, I live a little notes in there. We would like trade past notes back and forth in the radiator. That's hot. I know. I like, pardon the pun. Oh, well, I didn't even mean it. Oh, mom jokes. No, I think like, I'm just thinking like if that was in a movie, that would be like a sexy little thing to do is to have like a little hidey hole in public. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that's what makes it so cute. It's the, you know, the sixth, it's like the sixth flat or whatever it was.

You know, you'd always say whichever desk you ended up sitting by. Be like, number eight. Yeah, what happens if someone else leaves a note there one day? I know. Are y'all scared? Like, I'm always more scared. I mean, I like to journal, but every time I journal something, I'll then shred it because I'm so paranoid of, like, keeping notes and letters because it's like, oh, my gosh, it's so

permanent um and then yet i will text a lot of crazy and i'm like like just a digital footprint something about yeah it's just a digital footprint it's just going into the cloud and anybody can access it but like as you know that's hidden in your drawer got to shred this it's probably some like trauma from high school but i'm like you got caught yeah i got caught so i'm like better shred this note. But yeah, I'm always, like, so scared to write things down now. No way. Haven't you seen Bridges of Madison County? After Merrill Street dies, her children find all of her, like, mysterious thing. She dies? I think that's how the movie starts. It's her kids and they find all her shit in the attic and they're like, Mother had a life?

Ooh. Mother. And a photographer? Oh. No. Keep the notes. Let your kids think you're interesting one day, you know? I love keeping all that stuff. I'm a total paper hoarder. I have, there's a lot of stuff that I'll throw away, but paper, I have bins of note cards and greeting cards that people have given me from birthdays and things from like, you know, 20 years ago. I keep all that stuff. I have a box full of notes from high school that I passed back and forth with my friends. That's not true. Hillary, I have a birthday card you gave me for my 26th birthday. Aw.

And if I ever come on this podcast again, I will bring it. Because she would draw like elaborate pictures. Remember you, Joe? And you're like, don't worry. You're not too old. Because I was like the oldest one. And I was always like. Don't worry.

What a dick thing to say. I was always like, oh, so old like compared to everybody else. God, I'm so old. What do we think? Thank goodness we didn't have like so much like social media. We didn't have any social media. No. No, we were safe.

Nobody could. nobody could really like comment on that because I remember like watching 90210 and my mom being like Dylan McKay is 400 years old. None of these people because he had all like the forehead wrinkles. Yeah. RIP. But yeah. It was like.

No, we didn't know. We didn't need to know what people were saying about us. We just passed our own low ones. Joy and I had a notebook that we would pass between our trailers and you decorated the front of And it was called trailer trash. And we would just talk in this journal and pass it back and forth so that we have it. You do? I found it in my in my storage unit.

There needs to be another podcast. Yeah. Trailer trash, yeah. That's it. Because it's like you do the scene and you're just like, oh, God, I'm exhausted. Now I've got to sit around for four hours while they shoot a different scene. and I don't know what to do for the next four hours. And so you write to your human journal, Joy, and you're like, did you check out this shit on set today?

And did you know who's kissing who? And did you know what happened after work on Wednesday? We had a grand time. That's great. Yeah. I love the traveling notebook. And I've actually used this in raising my daughter. It's really helped with communication because she would, I started.

I started out with, when she was writing, kids start writing about, what, five, six years old in kindergarten. They're, like, putting together real basic sentences. So if she was mad, she just shuts down. She will not speak and have a conversation. So I, and she would go in her room and close the door. Or she would, we weren't allowed. I didn't let her have a fully closed door until a certain age. So she, you know, it took it off the hinges.

She's got no door knob. A jar. And so I would write, are you mad at me and then slide it under the door? And then she would write, yes, and slide it back. I would say, what happened? Slide it back. And so we would do that. And we have kept doing that.

I think the last time we did it was eventually I graduated to a notebook because it was a little easier because, you know, I had to keep going to find pieces of paper. And I wanted to keep them forever. It gave her the freedom to have, to share her emotions without the scariness of having to, you know, say things out loud sometimes. So anyway, it's a fun tool for any parents out there who are trying to figure out how to get your kids to talk to you about scary things or their emotions or whatever. I like that a lot. That's a good one. Gus employed that joy. Like, I remember finding a note on the kitchen island that said, mom is dumb.

D-O-M, and he was trying to say dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom is dumb. And so Jeff will still yell that on me. He'd be like, Mom is dumb. It's awesome. Notes are the way to my heart, even if you're being kind of an asshole. I love the written word.

Me too. What would you do if you found a boy draft note in your daughter's pocket? I would laugh so hard. I don't know. I think that's hysterical. Yeah. Like the idea of Book Davis's kids finding a boy draft and it being

all the names of all of the like uncles and like people she knows in town. That's horrifying. We don't think about it in context like that. If it's a stranger. Fine. My youngest daughter you know those little jewelry box? You open it up and there's like a little ballerina

and you're kind of curling around. So she has one of those and I I was putting away some of her little like stretchy bracelets and I opened it up. I looked in there and she has in there. And she just graduated preschool. She has in there perfectly positioned a little boy, his picture, his school picture. She put it in there. And I was like, what's this?

And she told me his name. And I was like, is this like a special friend? And she's like, I just didn't want to lose it. And I was like, she's like, she's like, It's really special. And I'm like, that's adorable. Like, it's really cute. I'm here for young love.

Me, too. I love it. It's fun. Oh, man. It's the best. I never too young to have a crush, I don't think. It just means you like people. Well, this new generation, like, Jeff and I don't understand.

We were both, like, in love from preschool on. Like, I have been in love my entire life. Jeff was in love his entire life. Gus is like computers. Do you know what I mean? Like it's now or just like, I don't know. That seems like work. You guys are a lot.

This is really intimidating. I don't understand that. Can I find love in Minecraft? Whatever. One of mine. So at least we know one is a romantic. I was like, that's great. Is the older one?

It's fun. Is she a flirty girl? No. No, she's serious. No, she's very serious. Like, not a flirt. No, no. and I don't really think any of them I she my nine year old recently had a summer party and

I mean third grade summer parties we were talking about boys they didn't they did not mention one boy interesting oh wow well that's good they're evolved we were just like monsters yeah yeah they did each other's makeup which is hilarious but not in a serious way they like blindfolded each other and did it all like crazy see that's what you see that's what we should have been doing at the apartment. Yeah. You know? Yes.

The apartment's a good set. By the way, though, so, okay, so Sophia's not here. Everybody at home knows that she's doing romantic things, which is very cool. But I love in this episode the apartment, you know, she's like the French Riviera and Rachel corrects her. But isn't that like where Sof got engaged? Like, has life come full circle? Oh, that's interesting.

Positano, right? Wasn't that sort of the area that she was? Guys, I don't know. I'm just some bumpkin that lives in the country, but I think so. I don't either. Hold on, somebody. Oh, oh, no. No, is Lake Cuomo different?

Right, Como. I don't know the different. Isn't it the same, it's off the same coast? Come on, guys. They were in a boat. Through Rachel's lines. I am not. I don't know.

Yeah, Lake Como's Italy. Okay, talk about Rachel being smart, though, because I loved that bombshell this episode with the Supreme Court. case. Oh my gosh, that was great. Yeah, she's very smart. And she does that throughout, I think, all of her time at Tree Hill. She's always pulling out something like that. But I mean, again, like when you're, you know, popping around to all these different schools, I mean, I feel like there is part of her that's like she just kind of buried herself probably in her studies. And, you know, we learned later that her parents aren't very present because she and Brooke share that in common. Welcome to Tree Hill. Yeah, I was like, no one, we were the Charlie Browns of real life, I guess. No one's parents were really that present. Yeah.

No, but I like that you also are so smart in real life, DeNeil. Like, when we had to do that Maxim cover, we had to go sit down to do an interview. And it was so DeNeil and myself. And this reporter's asking us questions. And we were very aware. of what that kind of magazine wants you to be. And, you know, like the whole, like, bimbo mentality. And as we're answering all these questions, I was like,

do you understand that Dineal's the smartest one at this table? Like, she's the one that graduated college. Like, she's always been, like, the honors student. Like, Dineal is the smartest person at this table. And Dineal's all like, oh, no, no, no, no. But in real life, you're as, you're as. And it's also just memorizing a couple of facts that, Is that it?

Will, yes, yes. The human head weighs eight pounds. Right. You just spit out a couple of random facts and be like, oh, she knows that. She must know more. It's a long time. That is not true. You are an incredibly successful woman in so many different arenas and it's because

you're so smart and intuitive. And that doesn't happen by accident. Well, yeah. Oh, look, she's a business owner. Look, I've got our family business beer shirt on right now. I know. Do you want me to go get my booze bottles? We were going to do a... No, no. No, no. Yeah. Hey, where's my booze? The booze is coming. Do you guys think it's weird that as adult women, we went from One Tree Hill to all kind of venturing into the liquor business or the like the alcohol business? No, I don't find that. Is it a coping mechanism? This just made us all lusches. Tracks perfectly well.

Yeah. What is Rachel doing right now? Does Sophia have a... Yeah, she's a Johnny Walker. Wine. Yeah, yeah. And grants and wine. I figured there might be something about wine coming, but I didn't know. Mm-hmm.

What's Rachel doing now? Where did Rachel end up? I don't even know. Dan dies and then what happens? Where I, we talked about this. You took all his money. I think that I just took all his money and left. That's amazing.

We might have to ask some fans to help us out. But I, yeah, I'm going to do like a little research on her because now I'm interested. Watching that, watching those episodes is really fun. It's really fun. Like all the emotions and I know I've heard y'all talk about it, but like when you actually watch it,

that just makes me happy. Well, you were saying that you have like muscle memory. Like you remember some of the lines, right? I was remembering my lines. I was like, oh my gosh, I remember this. I remember what comes next.

I remember the scenes. I remember what she's going to say. Probably because I was like just starting out and I was so paranoid all the time. that I was going to forget stuff, and then I did, and then I get screamed at. Like, you should know your lines. And I'm like, I do. I'm just so nervous and scared. I can't remember them.

Aw. I know. My favorite part of watching this episode back is when the cheerleaders are fighting in the classroom, and they said something really mean. Like, he's not into horror or something like that. Yeah. DeNeil, in real life, guffawed. And then Rachel laughs.

Like, you laughed on cue. In nature, she were like, it's funny. I don't care. It's still funny. It was funny then. It's still funny. Yeah. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric that this is. something we've been doing for a kind of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges,

we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world. influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sage burn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts should we do some listener questions i think we have a couple sure okay there's a question about musical theater and then another

question about uh i like ariana's question let's start with this one she says was it hard to be mean to someone when your characters didn't get along and you actually adore the real life actor for example what about tyler hilton and james lafferty sophia bush and daniel ackles oh i think it was fun we kind of talked about that a minute ago like those it was it was it was so fun and i just like busting up laughing like right after those scenes because it was like hard It was hard to keep a straight face and do those. That was one thing I remember because, like, you had to be so intense. And, like, Sophia is, like, so, like, Brooke is, like, so over the top and so fast in all this.

And you want to laugh anyway because it's funny. Like, she's funny when she's doing it. And I just remember it being, like, hard not to laugh. That's it. It's hard not to laugh. Yeah. Because it's just so absurd. It's so crazy.

To be mean to someone that you really love, that's... Yeah. It's hard. It's just so ridiculous. I think it's way more awkward when you actually hate the person. Because then you have to pretend like you don't in between scenes and you're like, oh yeah. Great work today.

Fuck an asshole. You know what I mean? Yes. You're right. That's way more awkward. Yeah. Yeah. When it's your friend, go all out.

Fine. But if they have an inkling that you don't like them, you have to pull the performance back a little bit, just for the sake of politics. Yeah. Bring it back. It's true. All right, we have another question from Jackie as a huge musical theater nerd. I love when y'all talk about connections to the theater and your love of it.

If there had been a full musical episode of One Tree Hill. Oh, my God. We used to ask for that. We did. What would you have wanted to sing? And I'd love to know what your favorite musical is. Dineal loves singing. Okay.

My favorite musical from, yeah, I love, I do love singing. I just don't let other people hear. But I recently had a conversation with Joy, and she said she was going to help me with us. Oh, yeah. Thank you for my email. I'll send you those. I'll send you those links. Thank you.

I do remember it. I didn't have that much champagne. Right. It was, that was really early on in the night. No, my first favorite musical was Oklahoma. My parents had the record. and I would listen to it over and over and over and sing all the songs. And, yeah, I just loved it.

And I actually sang it this weekend quite a bit in my head. In your head? You're just walking around. Joy, what's your favorite? I mean, I could always watch Les Mis. Always, always. And South Pacific. South Pacific is one that has no.

boring moments for me. There's no dip. I'm interested in every single moment that's on stage. I really loved Tommy the first time I saw it. The Who's Tommy? But it's been a while since I've seen on stage, so I don't know. I think those are my favorites. I love Into the Woods, of course. Oh, yeah. The second act is... Depressing. I don't know, like 25 minutes too long. Yes. Yes. What's yours? A funny girl. Funny girl. Oh, yeah. Yes. You know, seeing it as a kid and then having it, parts of it come to fruition in my adult life, you know, that scene where all of a sudden she gets called up by the Ziegfeld Follies and she's like, oh my God, oh my God, I did it. It's overnight. Like getting called up by TRL off the street. You know, I was just like, oh, my God, it's happening, you know? And the relationship stuff of like, having been with men in my past that didn't love that I was successful, you know? Like, there were so many parts of that movie that as a kid, I was just like, this is razzle-dazzle. I want to be an actress just like Fannie Bryce.

And then those life lessons just hit hard with a sweet Barbara Streisand solo here and there. She's genius. Did you see Funny Girl in London when they did it with? No, they're doing it right now. I can't remember that in New York. They're doing it again. Oh, they are? I haven't seen it.

Oh. Oh, Beanie, that's right. I haven't seen it yet. You know, I love her. I think she's great. Normally when I go to the theater, I take my son. And so I don't know how into funny girl he is. I actually promised him we're going to go see Little Shop of Horrors.

Yay! You have to tell Tammy, I said hi. That's a fun show, man. You would be a good Audrey, Danielle. I would love to. Oh, Daniel would make a great Audrey. Yes. I would love it.

We'll be the, we'll be the du up. singers in the background. That's right. Yeah. Those are the songs you could practice singing. Yes. Okay. I'll practice that.

We'll start with that. Yeah. Suddenly Seymour? Go nuts. Yes. Go for it, babe. That's so fun. Those are good questions.

Daniel. Should we spin up? Oh, wait. We didn't talk about if there had been a musical episode of the show. Oh, yeah. Let's go back. I mean, I don't, I don't know. Like, it's hard to tell.

I'm trying to think of songs back then. Like a song that, what? like embodies your character or just like a group song or I don't know what do you think? Well, so Glee was like a jukebox musical. They would take pop songs and make them like the character's narrative. What song embodies your character like pop song? I mean, in this season, it's, um, ain't too proud to beg, right? Please don't leave me.

Don't you? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. What's that four non-blon song? I'll fight you for the candlebox. I am going to punch you in the neck with the candlebox. DeNeil loves signing other people up for karaoke and then making them sing the song while she's yelling at the audience. It's karaoke, bitches.

I did sing four non-blondes recently. You did? That's a good one. Yeah. Actually, with Renee, our head of development at our pod. So it's really fun. Okay. Should we spin a wheel, guys?

Do it. Do it. Okay, go ahead. What does it say, DeNeil? Who is most likely to? Travel the world in their van. So who is most likely to travel the world in their van? You have to pick a character from the show and a real-life person.

But I think we know the answer to this. Chris Keller? Oh, sure. I can see Chris on the show. doing that. But in real life, it's you, dude. You've got the big huge, like, Astrovan. Like, seriously?

We were all together this weekend. And DeNeil rolled up in a van that my husband thought was, like, the van that was supposed to take us from the hotel to the venues. He thought it was, like, the hired van. Oh, my gosh. The shuttle. Take their family on the road in a van. It is me.

Yeah. It's me. Did you have to get, like, a, like a CDL license to drive? that thing? No. No. And we used to have a boat. And I think I actually, I got a license for that because I thought everyone should, but it's not required. What? Hmm. Yeah. Well, listen, when we go on the road with the drama queen's tour with our wine wine suitcase, you can be our bus driver. No worries. Please. I got it. I got it. I got it. Drama Queens tour. We are working on that, folks. Feel free to send us some info about if you want us to come to your city email us. Yes, Austin. We want you to come to all.

That'd be fun. Yes. Stay weird. Okay, next episode, season three, episode seven, champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends. This is one of the ones that I remember this title and I think of it often for some random reason. I guess it's stuck in my head. I don't know what the episode's about, but I bet I'll remember it when we start watching. Yeah, you will. Hope you'll join us. Thanks for hanging out with us today. and we'll see you next week. Bye. Thanks, DeNeil.

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