Drama Queens - Praying for Rain • EP307

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Paul Johansson directed this OTH epIsode and we're dishing the details. Deb & Karen turn into vandals, Peyton gets a break from the weepies, and Haley is making us all cringe.  Memories are the theme of this episode as they're being made, erased, grieved and it's all tied together with a cameo from The Notebook. A film which, incidentally, featured our very own Paul Johnasson. AND, fun fact, Joy was so inspired by The Notebook when she first saw/read it that she couldn't rest until she had turned it into a full-fledged, produced, staged musical (which starred OTH "movie Lucas" Paul Teal as Noah).  We'll share 5 demos of Joy's original songs inspired by this epic story!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, hello. Oh, hello. Hi, Joy. Hi, Hillary. I miss you. I wish we were hanging out in the backyard or doing something fun. I know. Well, this is the second best thing being able to get you to see you face to face again. I love when we hang out together. I wish Sophia was here. As everybody knows, Sophia is off having wonderful married moments. And we are holding down the fort while our sisters away. Like, I love that she is off having romance. Yeah, me too. And just kind of celebrating, because we have all certainly been through it together.

Yes. As our characters in this episode, as you and Haley and Brooke hold each other during these moments of turmoil. We love holding each other up when we get to celebrate good stuff, too. So that's friendship. What's this episode about? So we've got, what is it? It's, uh, I don't even know the name of it. Is this the champagne one?

I guess so. Again. Okay, so you guys, last week it felt like a standalone episode. We explained what a spec script was. I feel like this one did too. Like, yeah, it totally felt like a bottle episode as weird. Did anything advance? The only thing that advanced is maybe Brooks clothing line.

So yeah, let's give them the rundown and then let's talk shit. Can't we? All right. It's episode, season three. Episode 7. Champagne for my real friends. Real pain for my sham friends. Eradate November 16, 2005. 2005. Oh, my gosh. It seems so long ago. I loved 2005. I did too. Synopsis, the draft results are in, and everyone goes on a date with their pick. Nathan and Haley double date with Brooke and Chris Keller, which ends in a big mistake. Mouth brings Peyton to a senior home to visit his grandpa Mel and learns a lesson in. regret. Rachel and Lucas play basketball, sort of at the river court. Karen and Deb

get their revenge on Dan's billboard. Director Paul Johansson. Yeah, Paul directed this episode. Yeah, I think he did the best he could with the material. I thought this was a really boring episode, to be honest. Yeah. I mean... I liked your storyline with mouth. That was interesting to me. I will say that working with Tom Bosley was really cool. That's one of those things you know in the moment. You're like, oh, yeah. Like, this is an icon.

Happy Days was a huge deal when I was a kid, even though it was in reruns. And so it feels very meta to have our show live in like reruns now, like streaming and have kids be like, oh, we watch your old-timey show the way, like, Tom Bosley came on our show. And we were like, oh, my God, I totally watch this ironic. One day we will be Tom Bosley That's right But he was so great to see him And he was so sweet I'm sorry I'm yawning so much guys

This was a sleepy episode A lot of slow music Yeah that's right A lot of slow music And nothing really advancing the storylines Everything just kind of like Well I guess Brooks slept with Chris Keller But that's the illusion anyway

I think doesn't it come out tomorrow tomorrow or the next episode that he just, like, crawled into bed next to her when she fell asleep, I think. All the time. That happens. He's such a creep. Yeah. I, the whole episode took place at night, but it wasn't like a fun club night, a trick.

It was everybody on dates they didn't want to be on, except for Peyton and mouth. Like, that was, you know, fine. Yeah. Everybody else just kind of seemed disappointed the whole episode. And maybe that's what we're feeling. Maybe we're like absorbing the character's disappointment. I know. I know.

I think so. Well, but I like the way this episode started with all the like dream sequences. Oh, that was funny. Yeah. We start off with broken Lucas in bed, fake out. And then it's Lucas and Chris Keller in bed, which is Haley's dream, fake out. And then Haley crawls into bed with Brooke. And it's a dream.

It's Nathan's dream. It's a total fake out. Yeah. That was a fun way to start. Yeah, it was. I liked that. It was very, and then Brooke was like so aggressively angry with Rachel again for existing. Have you ever been that mad at someone that you just met?

No. I'm trying to think, probably. Joy, have I? Come on. I mean, I get annoyed with. I'm sure, I've definitely been annoyed with people I just met, but not, like, openly. Hostile. Angry.

Hostel. I try to keep my hostility, you know, and buried until I get home and then I have to vent to my poor husband. And I'm like, and another thing. And then she did this. One more thing. No, Brooke is so blatant with her hostility. Is that a youth thing? I'm just trying to think if at any point in my life.

it's been that aggressive, or if that is just the way that adults script teenage girls. You know what I mean? It's like, teenage girls are bitches. No, Sophia was leaning into it. I mean, whatever the lines were, she was, like, fully leaning into it. And that was great. I mean, I like the choice. I think it's really funny.

It's a nice flaw for Brooke to have. Good comedy, but. Yeah. But then again, clearly Rachel is trying to steal her man. So maybe she's just on to it. I don't know, man. Rachel asked so many times, is this your boyfriend? That's true.

Is this your boyfriend? Are you going to, like, pick him? And then Brooke sends him to ask her out. And she's like, why is this Brooke girl messing with me? Either she doesn't want me to date this guy or she does want me to date this guy, but now I know I'm a target and I'm going to mess with her back. Yeah. She makes perfect sense.

Well, we've got the fake out in the beginning. Let's talk about suburban filth. The idea of a kid designing clothes in high school is cool. It's a very big deal. Is it realistic? I guess maybe. Like I remember when this storyline started with Brooke and I was like, she's designing clothes in high school?

This is crazy. And now we've got kids on the internet, like YouTube and I guess not YouTube, but Instagram and stuff like kids who are designing. But I think I'd never heard of such a thing when we were doing this stuff. storyline it was like what in that was you know one of the one of the first jobs i applied for the first job i ever wanted to do was window dressing i wanted to go dress the mannequins in the store but uh i wasn't 16 so they wouldn't let me work there and the other one i wanted to do was fix up classic cars but i had to be 18 for that so they wouldn't let me do that either but um i really went

hard after the window dressing thing. I went to Joyce Leslie. Do you remember that store? No. What is that? Is that a New Jersey thing? Or it's like a, I think it might be a New Jersey or Century 21. Oh, Century 21 for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the store, I just walked around the neighborhood. I went back to French Connection and Banana Republic and the gap. And I was like, I just want a window dress. That's all I want to do. And they all thought I was super cute, but ignored me. So sadly, we'll show them. joy. I never got to live that dream out.

I know. Because I was thinking about going to school to be a fashion designer. Really? Yeah, absolutely. I loved. I had this dress form in my bedroom. And it was just a little mannequin, which I named Marianne after my daughter was born. And she couldn't say mannequins.

So she would always refer to it as the Marianne. Is that the Marianne? Is that your dress on the Marianne? I remember the dress form. Because you were also, like, there was a point where you made your own lingerie, like, you made a bra. And I was like, girl, what? You made a lot of clothes when we were doing the show. Yeah, I love sewing.

I would like to take a real course because I'm, I make a lot of Maria's Halloween costumes. And I'm, I can fix things, but I'm not, I don't know how to read a pattern or, I mean, maybe you could teach me how to do that. You're great with a sewing machine. Well, I was in future Homemakers of America, and I was treasurer of future Homemakers of America, my middle school chapter. So I will- In middle school? Yeah. But I also have like zero taste joy. So if you bring like the fabric selections and like what it's going to look like, I'll teach you how to do the mechanical shit. That's super easy. Oh my god, I would love that. That's the thing. I don't know how to use a pattern. So I get, it's always a little wonky, but I'm like, it's good enough for kids' Halloween costumes. So I just kind of, you know, lean into it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. And on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very, very,

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But yeah, I wanted to be a fashion designer. I used to, I have books and books and books of just sketches. That's all I would do is sit around and sketch outfits and dresses and big gowns. and lingerie and all kinds of fun stuff. And then I never just, well, I mean, I had to either go to school. I was also like criminal psychologist or a marine biologist or fashion designer. You know, it's kind of the fun part about being in high school, right? What are the other things you wanted to do when you were in high school?

Well, I went to school for psychological forensics. I went to Fordham at Lincoln Center because they also have the law school there. So it's like right by John Jay School, the criminal justice. I used to go drinking with the boys from. John Jay, and we, you know. How many years did you do that? Did you get a degree? No, I went for two full years, and then I transferred to NYU's Gallatin School. And by then, MTV was working me so much. I was like, why am I spending all this money

on school? Oh, my gosh. I know. I'm going to drop out. I can't believe I didn't know that. Forensic psychology? The psychology stuff has been very helpful as an actor. You know what I mean? Like, for sure. Because once you understand how that brain ticks, you're like, oh.

All right, I see what you're doing here. Yeah. And that's for yourself figuring out a character and also for figuring out the people that you have to work with in the film industry because everyone's bat-shed. But then the criminology part of it was, it was really interesting

because what I grew up learning in Virginia, you know, with your family being like, watch out for this, watch out for that. It was totally wrong. Like, you know, living in New York City, learning the reality behind, like, criminology and, like, how crimes happen, where they happen, who typically commits them. It was a good lesson because I was less afraid. Most stuff is, like, domestic crime, you know? Yeah. And we deal with some of that on our show, you know?

Yeah. Like, there's a little bit of it on our show. But anytime it's like a total stranger committing a crime on a TV show or a movie, I'm like, that doesn't happen. It's always, the husband that's interesting knowledge is power man i i didn't i didn't ever think about that in the context of um understanding crime but that's true is that apparently that's really serving you still because you're doing your show um is it this couldn't happen here it's called it couldn't happen here yeah i mean it couldn't happen here look when we lived in wilmington i was fixated on crimes that were happening on like local news yeah the house next door to mine was getting renovated and the guy working on it found bones in the backyard and they didn't call the police they were like hey lady come

over here and look at this you know come get your bones i'm like uh you guys should probably call somebody um yeah i was i was always into it and you know you always want to do more than just what you're doing i think we we all feel that way we always wanted to be more than what we were at the moment so yeah I feel like Sophia really leaned into this fashion storyline while we were in it because she really, I mean, she was going to fashion shows. She was making friends with designers. She was really educating herself about it in a way that was kind of intimidating for me. I was like, what are you wearing? I don't know how to say that way.

Me too. Sophia was also spending all of her money on boxes and boxes of clothes that would just, like, these giant boxes would always arrive and appear at her trailer and just load. just loading them all in every day one right after the other because she was very she was educating herself on that world and of course now she owns a company fashion kind with a friend of hers and they are selling incredible like sustainable fashion and it's awesome listen i don't know anything about fashion but what i do know is i fall down the rabbit hole of her website and i'm just like this is gorgeous i need 10 of them oh yeah me too i know the the curation is uh impeccable Yeah.

George likes fashion. Are you wearing your Sonic clothes right now? Yeah, she's going through a big Sonic the Hedgehog fashion phase. I love kids fashion. That's my favorite is when kids, you just let them do whatever they want. Yeah. It's so fun because Maria used to, I remember one time I told her we were going to church and she didn't want to go. And I was going to take her to like a really, like a Catholic mass.

Formal. Yeah, I mean, formal enough that you, you know, you dress nice. I said, I think she was probably six. Yep, she was six or seven at this time. And I said, okay, we're going to go to church. She didn't want to go to church. And I was like, honey, we're going. I want to go to this. So get dressed. You have five minutes. And I turned over my little sand. What are they called hourglass time? You have an hourglass for your daughter? I have one of those. I have multiple hour glasses. We have a half hour, a 15 minute, a 10 minute, and a five minute. So it's great for kids' brains because they can see the time running out.

Oh, it's on a digital clock, it's just numbers counting down. It's not your brain. I mean, my kid's brain is not as easily adaptable to that as to hourglass. Anyway, so I set the timer for her. And she comes out in a leopard miniskirt with like leg warmers and sparkle shoes and a tank top. Oh, no, no, it was a leotard, tank top leotard underneath it with a, glitter a big glitter um vest and you know and sunglasses and a big sequin band in her hair and she was like this is how I feel like wear it what I wear this is what I feel like wearing a

church Jesus is going to see me today that's right I love kids fashion anyway how do we get there oh yeah oh yeah clothes over bros that's what's coming because of this I think because her idea get stolen. Suburban filth. I do like that name. I came up with that name. Yeah, I mean, it's so, it's so late 90s, early 2000s, like, I'm from the suburbs, but I'm also very edgy. It sounds like the name of a department store on a TV show is what it sounds like. Yeah, yeah, and it's definitely at the mall. Favorite line of the episode, Haley is all upset about the houses being built where her marriage spot was and in all seriousness like Haley's tearing up Brooke looks over and goes let's just go to the mall it's okay it's okay honey let's just go to the mall

that was gold you said it it's the most teenage line I've ever heard it's so teenage the next time something bad is happening in one of our lives like the next time like I call you and I'm like, hey, my dog died. I just need you to say, babe, let's do. It's okay. Let's just go to the mall. Oh, God. Another t-shirt.

I hope somebody's marking down all these t-shirt requests. We just need to have a streamlined, like an assembly line of all these t-shirts. It's genius. You know what she didn't say with a straight face. when Chris Keller shows up at the apartment and she's just gone on this rant about like, I will never hang out with Chris. And then she opens the door.

Keller. And he goes off on his whole little rant and then breezes past her. Y'all better go back and watch that because Sophia, for the life of her, cannot keep her nostrils from flaring and that little grin from sneaking in. That's so good.

That was the Jerry Seinfeld moment. Yeah, she's just like, I can't with this one. Couldn't stop her from laughing. It's hard not to laugh when Tyler's doing his thing. He's so committed to it. Yeah. He's so committed and I loved working with him for that reason because he could say the craziest stuff. And somehow he kept a straight face.

I'm terrible at that. I think it's why I could, I really can't do improv because. Did you do improv growing up? I did. little bit, but not a lot. I, um, I really struggle with improv. I prefer to have lines. Please someone write this down. I'm, uh, I'm just not like, uh, I don't know, I don't consider myself a super quick-witted person in, in conversation and stuff. I'm more of an...

Having been drinking with you recently, you are wrong. You're very quick. Very quick. Well, thanks. I, but I, I know what you're saying, because I, I saw in myself in this episode, Peyton, Hillary, little Hillary, can do the, like, serious stuff. Like, I've got this birth mother that's got cancer and I don't know. But me having to, like, be light and breezy and like, hey, mouth, let's go ride go cards. So, hey, ha ha, I'm not a good fake lapper. I am not good at, um, I just see through my bullshit.

I believed every second of it. I thought you were having a ball and I was like, oh, it's so nice to see Peyton laughing and happy and I thought you were great. You really were like, I'm faking it. Were you miserable that day?

Do you remember or something? Writing the go carts was fun and Tom Bosley's fun, but like the stuff on the quad and... Oh, that was rough. And like the lead up to it where it's all like a little expository

where we're just like trying to explain what are we going to do this? Why we're about to have this episode. Yeah. What are we doing now? I can always tell that any time I have to be lighthearted Peyton, there's a little bit of a, can't I just be growly about something? It's so much more natural.

Why? Why is that? I don't know. Maybe because Peyton had to cry for the whole first two years that now in year three, they're like, yeah, yeah, go be a kid. I'm just like, but laughter. That's so used to crying. Weird.

Yeah, I can laugh as other characters. I just struggle with Peyton being like giggly. Wrang. Yuck. It was nice to see Nathan softening up. I mean, I still cringe. Haley's just trying so hard. And it's, it's cringy.

It's cringy. And the stuff he says when he's like, Haley, I know where we got married. I know what our history is. Like, let it go. Let's just be in the present. Oh, I felt that. That was uncomfortable.

It's just so brutal. So brutal. She's a kid. She doesn't know how to deal with this or go through this. But I'm glad that he kind of threw her a line at the end to let her know that he still loves her with the flower that looked freshly picked, but clearly had been in his pocket all day. Why do we fixate on that shit? Why do we do that, Joy? At the same time, we're both like, that hasn't.

hasn't been in his pocket for two hours. Because you and I both have picked flowers and put them in our pockets and then taken them out at the end of the day. Sometimes I take my bra off and I'm like, what's that doing in there? Whatever. Nipples and flowers. No, what did he say? He said he wrote down his own prediction, right?

And say, and Haley's like, how do you know I'm not going to go, you know, take a sneak? at this. He's like, I guess I'll just have to trust you, which is basically his way of signaling like, I'm trusting you. We're going to use this. Giving her more opportunities. It's flowers a metaphor, but I was kind of hoping they would show you looking at it. I know. No, no, no. I don't, I understood that. I really respected and trusted that moment emotionally with them. I thought that was really beautiful and it felt good watching it to know that he was telling her it's it's not all gone it's not hopeless it's just taking time because that in and of itself is such a huge sign good sign hopeful yeah yeah of like the roots aren't gone i loved that yeah what was it like

Because you guys had so much stuff just by yourselves. You're on the rooftop. You're out on the balcony. You know, like there's a lot of stuff where you guys are just off by yourself. I don't know how you prep for that because your stuff was always so, like, serious. Did you guys sit around and talk in between scenes or did you kind of go into your bubbles so that you would be super focused when they yelled action? I think we talked some.

I mean, James is always reading some classic novel that he was catching up on. like the old man in the sea or the great Gatsby or whatever he was reading he was always reading one of those uh i don't know i think we just were really it was easy it was so you know we've had been working together so closely for so long that it's it was always pretty easy um i don't know that we've really spent a lot of time chit chatting i don't think james and i are either of us are very chit-chatty people. I think we tend to go for the meat and potatoes of meaningful conversation. You both are like, tell me what you think about God.

Yeah. How do you feel about politics? Let's get to the serious business here. I think James is actually really uncomfortable with those conversations with, but he also doesn't really like small talk. Yeah. So, but he likes, I think he likes those conversations when he's super, super comfortable. I just don't know that on set.

feels like the right place to drive into those spaces for him. So I don't, I mean, I don't know. I'm talking out of my ass. We should have James on and actually ask him ourselves. Yeah, but you're right. He was always trying to educate himself. Yes. Which I liked watching. Does that sound creepy? That was inspiring. Yeah. Yeah. Kid always would just go back to his chair and start reading a book and be hyper focused on that and then be able to be able to. flip the switch and be hyper focused um in the scene but i was always only working with him when there were like a lot of people around so i didn't know if that was just a crowd thing or if that was always no i think that's just his way um it's just kind of quiet and reserved and then when he's

off work and relaxed and around his friends he he lets his guard down um which is a lovely quality for a professional, for an actor to be able to not have your extroverted self in everybody else's space or in a work environment, not getting caught up in the drama. It's a great quality.

That's been my life lesson. Like once I left Treyhill and I would go work with grownups on other things, I'd go home and be like, oh my God, I talk too much. Oh my God, what did I say? I feel the same way. I'm always walking away from conversation

like, God, I'm so annoying. Oh, why did I say that? Why did I do that? No, and Haley does that this whole episode. She's just like, why did I even think anything awesome was going to happen? God, I dressed up. The self-flatulation. Just brutal.

It's brutal. Well, and to have Chris Keller there as your audience while you're feeling like a nerd. Ugh. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her. story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you know what I noticed in this episode a little bit?

Is that Tim and Chris Keller are two wings on the same bird. Like, we, because Tim at the beginning of the episode is all like, boy draft, who picked me? What's going on? Ladies? Where's our dates? You know? Oh, yeah. He just disappears. Misogynistic and kind of like a dork.

And then Chris Keller is also super misogynistic and a dork. Dork. He's just already graduated high school and a little bit older than us. Yeah. Do we ever get scenes with the two of them? That might have made people's headaches. That might. Woo! That's a lot of, uh, dumb and cheek in the same. Like, I feel like they're the divorced dads now. It's a lot of kitsch in one space. Yeah. They're the dads at the playground on Sundays with the kids. This is my weekend. okay oh god right we know they we're friends with those guys how about skills and bevin how fun was that well how fun is this easter egg of the notebook tell them why it's fun joy tell them oh it's so fun well

a because cullen moss was in the notebook so that was kind of a fun little extra thing but it was shot in charleston near us so we had a lot of our crew and cast that were you know back and forth on that movie also because the director of this episode, Mr. Paul Johansson, was in the notebook as Allie's mom's old boyfriend who she didn't end up with, which is why she's trying to convince her daughter not to marry the poor boy. Of course we know she's going to end up with.

They were being so snobby, just driving by that manual labor camp wherever Paul was working. I thought, by the way, he looked hot. Like he was all sweaty and strong. Do better, Joan Allen. And then it's also fun because for those of you who don't know this out there, I was super, super, super moved by this film when I saw it.

I kind of couldn't get up and leave the theater for about 15 minutes after it was over. I was just weeping into my shirt. And so I ended up writing a musical for stage on spec of the notebook. And I wrote it. It took me like four years. And at the end of four years, I sent it to Nicholas Sparks. And he let me produce a staged version of the notebook, my musical in Wilmington. So that was really, really fun. And I was just so grateful. It was the second musical I had ever written. And we got to cast it and we performed it at Thalian Hall. It was, one of the most amazing experiences of my life to be able to work with I kind of co-directed we had judy green hut who was a wonderful theater director from new york and and so she was our director and i was just there every day and talking everybody through all the parts and the songs and

i wrote the music with ron an yellow who is now bruce springsteen's producer he's done his last like uh i don't know five five to eight albums i think um And, uh, yeah, actually, I have, I have a sound cloud. You do? Should I play one of the songs right now? I think, me thinks we shall. I think we should. Okay, hold on.

Let me share my screen. Joy, this is like a fun twist of events I wasn't even expecting. I, you know what? Yeah, let's do it though. Let's do it. Um, okay, listen, here's kind of what would be like the big pop song of the episode. Let's see if we can hear it. Yeah, I can hear it.

Yeah. Breathe in, breathe out, standing but on my knees. Breathe in, breathe out, speaking, but my heart sing. We're one soul through time. We've lived a hundred lines. Searching a million moments for this feeling And I would have some goose-buck joy I would stand beside you as you darkened this door

We go in guns blazing bring that devil to his knees Let's produce this again. Breathe in, breathe out, and taking in my home. Breathe in, breathe out, and with one looking. There's like a very Faith Hill, like Shania Twain feel to this. Like, just like, country icon, female, queen. I would stand a million moments before this feeling. And I would wait a thousand years or more.

I would stand beside you as you dark in a death door. We go in guns blaze and bring that devil to his names. Ain't there's some strange power in you and me? Every move, every look, every touch he knows. I mean, it's super musical theater. I'm fine. Every storm, every whisper, and wind of that blows. Every love, every look, every touch he loves.

My love Every storm, every whisper and wind of that falls Let me know you're here with me I would wait a thousand years or more I would stand beside you as we darkened death door We go in guns blaze and bring that's down to his knees Oh, there's some strange power In you have some strange power

In you and me Let me know You're here with me. Oh, it's so fun to hear this stuff. Guys, this is the only place we can hear this right now, right? It is, actually, yes. I feel spoiled. Oh, that was so fun.

Who is your dream, Noah? Oh, my gosh, for Broadway. I mean, Taryn Edgerton, right? Like how could we not have Taryn Edgerton playing Noah? He's the best. Or maybe somebody new. Are you going to discover the next big thing? Could do.

Okay, here's something else that's kind of fun. Alison Munn, who is also a remarkable singer, She leads this song. Number seven, this is like one of the nightclub songs when they're all in the nightclub and like doing a big swing dance on stage and all the soldiers and the soldiers are on one side of the stage and go, Finn is there and Noah and they've just enlisted in the army. And on the other side of the stage is the nightclub and Ali is meeting Lon and his parents. And so it's like two things happening on stage at the same time. So here's a little bit of Alison Munn singing for our notebook soundtrack. All right.

So it's number seven. Hold my heart. Hold my heart and don't let go for you know very well. You have caught me in your web. You've got me under your spell. I don't, I don't know who I am when you touch me. Don't you understand your kiss or the brush of your hand makes me lose my equilibrium. I get so distracted, my dear.

When you're whispering in my ear For you know very well You've got me under your spell So long, ladies, so long, We're off my boy I love it! That's good, that's enough. I love it. That's so cute.

Joy, maybe this is what we go back and do in Wilmington. Do we need to contact Thelion Hall and be like, Hello, friends. We're doing a reunion tour. Wouldn't that be fun? I would love to. Sadly, the rights actually don't belong to me anymore. somebody else swooped him up during a, there was a long stretch where they were, Warner Brothers held the rights to the film and I held the rights to the book. And so there was a lot of stuff in the movie that wasn't in the book that you would want to have on stage. And there was just like so much, you know, once lawyers get involved, it all just falls apart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So unfortunately, somebody else has the rights. I think Kevin McCollum, who's a wonderful Broadway producer.

has taken that over, and Ingrid Michelson is writing some new music for the show that they're going to do their own version of it in Chicago, I think, maybe this fall. So, you know, it's cool to see that my idea is still living on and having a life of its own. It's a heartbreak, for sure. I mean, I spent like five years of my blood, sweat, and tears pouring into that story. And the fact that we had amazing, like, a really season. and Broadway producers who were ready. They came down to Wilmington and saw the show.

They saw our local cast, and they loved the show. And it wasn't perfect. It's a little long. Some of the songs needed to be changed. We needed a few more pop songs, but whatever. Like the bones were all really there, and they loved it, and they were ready to do it. They were like, let's get this off the ground. And unfortunately, the people who were in charge of holding the property,

making the decision about who was going to take on the mantle of the name of the notebook, which was epic at the time. I mean, it still is. Um, they never saw my show. They didn't listen to the music. They just were, I think they were just afraid that I was like 23 and, you know, now it's cool to be 23 and writing a Broadway show. But back then, it was just terrifying and everybody thought, you know, she's never done anything. The notebook is a huge name and she's not. Um, Ron, obviously now is producing for Springsteen and winning Grammys, but back then wasn't. And so, we just didn't have the street cred that I think the powers that B wanted whoever took over the notebook to have. And so they just never listened to the music, never read the script,

never heard the show, and just passed it on to somebody else. And that sucked. It was really hard. But I did learn a couple of things. One of them is that I have to stand up for myself more because I tried, I really tried to get them to listen to it and to read it. but I didn't try hard enough. I could have done more. I was just too afraid. And I've learned that lesson since then that you just, if you believe in something and if it's coming from you and it's,

you're passionate about it, it's your art. Like nobody else is going to fight for you the way that you will. You have to go after it. And so that was really valuable. And then also learning that I have good ideas. You know, I created that. I did it.

I went for it. it's in somebody else's hands now, but I got that ball rolling. That was my idea. And so to have the confidence that in the next thing that I create and do to know that my ideas are good and they sell and they'll work. That was good. You know, so anyway, it's just cool to see that that is living on and having a life of its own. That's kind of cool. Well, did you, so when you saw this movie, though, because I remember having also a very big reaction to this movie, did you ever No book anyone? Ooh.

I don't think I did. That's not what I heard. That's not what I heard. What? Oh my gosh. What is this rumor? Tell me. I heard you made Tyler watch the notebook and it affected him.

That's actually totally probably true. I don't remember, but that sounds about right. like while you guys were out on tour and he was just like maybe when we were on tour he was like she's so deep man she's so deep maybe I mean I never did it like bevin did it but the truth is I was ready to force anyone to watch this movie because it changed my life those two hours changed my life it reminded me in a time when I was honestly pretty hopeless about love and I'd basically given up on the idea of that overwhelming, all-consuming, love you no matter what, self-sacrificial, even when it's hard, kind of love. And when I saw this film and then read the book immediately after, something was unlocked inside of me that was just this flood of passion and hope. And it didn't

stop. It was like reawakening those young dreams that we had in high school. You know, I mean, didn't you, did you ever have that boy, that boy that when you were younger, like just evoked all of those dreams and feelings in you? So in real life, in real life, when I wasn't working, I would just go drive around in rural, rural North Carolina and go find, like, old abandoned houses and things. And there was someone in town. I was in a relationship. So this other person and I were never going to work out, ever. But it was very like, I love your art.

I am attracted to your essence, your spirit is so, so, so. Impressive. Yes. And we decided upon this, like, abandoned house in the middle of nowhere. And he was like, I'm either going to fix it up or I'm going to burn it down. Wow. And so for years, sometimes I would just, like, drive past it and be like, okay, well, he hasn't burned it down. I guess we're still good.

But it was a very... It was such a rip-off from this movie. What? Yeah, we're giving your own story. We're going to fix up the old house and have this sordid Carolinian romance. God, being a kid is fun. Oh, fun. Yeah.

Man, southern romances are just unbeatable to me. I think there's something so sweet about it. You've got the Spanish moss hanging off the trees in the hot air and the fireflies at night and the docks in the water and the warm rain. And the small town feel, there's just nothing as romantic to me as the South. Never will be. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornette. Alice, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, Haley says in this episode, she goes, I'm just wishing it would rain, you know, as a nod. I'm praying for rain. Yeah. To that first kiss. Oh, God. See, there you go.

First kiss in the rain. That was kind of notebooky. Come on. It was. I love that Bevan did that to skills. It was really cute. I loved watching Antoine and her have such great chemistry in this episode. I thought they were both outstanding.

And, you know, I can't believe we got the rights to the notebook for our show. Nicholas Sparks, like, brought his son to set, right? Didn't he bring his kids? Yeah. Yeah. That we felt real cool. We'd arrived. We had no idea people watched our show because we were in North Carolina.

So when, you know, a celebrity writer comes to set. We're like, what? Oh, we were very excited about that. Yeah. Yes. Nicholas Sparks was the most popular author on the planet in that moment because the notebook had like catapulted him. And so when he came to set, we were all just in awe that he or his kids were even remotely interested in us. And I can tell you through inventing the musical, I became really good friends with Nick.

and he's actually such a smart, deeply kind-hearted person. And one of the things I think is really cool about him is that he's so curious. He's such a curious person. And I love that because, I don't know, I feel like we're living in a time right now where curiosity has been pushed aside in favor of, I guess, everybody's sort of looking out for themselves, like making sure that, No one is offending them and making sure that everybody's doing everything right. This sort of like mental policing has taken over.

And I miss the days of curiosity when you really were interested in why another person thought the way that they thought or functioned the way that they function. Because so much great art comes from listening and just being curious. And I think it's absolutely integral to being an artist and especially a writer. So anyway, I just wanted to mention that. But one thing that we haven't talked about yet is Rachel. Can we talk about Rachel? Let's talk about the Rachel of it all because. And we have to talk about Barbara and Moira too.

Oh, that's right. That's right. Rachel is all of us in this moment because she says, do you really think there's one person in this world who's right for you? You're in high school. You also said the same thing about Peyton, you know, like really do one person in the whole world. I appreciate her skepticism. Yeah, I do too.

I think she's really smart. I mean, and I liked what DeNeil had to say in our last episode about how she played Rachel as somebody who's been from school to school and has a very bird's eye view of the high school experience, which is. unusual for someone in high school. And I think that's a really valuable perspective that Rachel offered, even though she's still messy like we all are and still trying to figure out some of her own things. That was a pretty smart thing to say. I think she was right. She also says she's like, seriously, what is with this school?

Every single boy is in some like traumatic, you know, puppy dog love thing. She's like, isn't anyone DTF? What is wrong? here like who does she have to choose from Tim yeah who else is even available I don't know mouth mouth oh oh leanors had the other really good line he um it was kind of an iconic line that I have heard fans bring up he said I say give me regret as long as I can keep the good memories too oh yes yeah that the you know the Alzheimer's really was a theme in this episode, wasn't it?

With the notebook and and then with his grandfather. Joy, can I just tell you that I did not make that connection until you just said it right now? Oh, no. I'm like, wait what? Oh,

oh, double whammy. That's it. That's why it worked so much. I appreciate you, sister. Thank you for carrying you cross that finish line. No problem. Anytime. We'll get there. But yeah, it's, you know, I love that line. You know, this may be, maybe the theme of this episode is memories because

Haley's memories are being physically erased and Mel's memories are gone and the memories in the notebook are a theme. And now Karen has the memory of her ex-boyfriend looming over her in this great big giant billboard and she has to decide what she's going to do with that. She's going to stoop to his level. or rise above it? Yep. I don't know.

I mean, when's the last time you did some vandalism? Yeah, I think she should have just committed to it. Same. Just stuck with it. I mean, whatever. Pulling it back and having the billboard for erectile dysfunction was also pretty good luck. That was good luck. Yeah, it could have been anything.

It could have been insurance under there. Yeah, a little frog. It could have been anything, but no, no, they pulled back the, they pulled back all their artwork. It's too bad. I think they should have committed to it. But it was certainly fun watching them get into trouble. I remember Barbara finding out that she was going to have to be in her underwear. And it was like a, she worked out really hard.

She was like so committed to making sure she looked amazing. And she did. Yeah, she absolutely did. It paid off. Yeah, Barbara looks like a teenager. Well, we were saying they both looked like teenagers when they were just sitting on the ledge of the billboard. Yes. And like Moira's hair and a little ponytail.

She's so cute. It's, you know, watching the show as an adult is so different because they're younger than us there, right? Aren't they like, they're younger than us there? Yeah, I know. And they're having to play these grownups. And you realize that all the grownups are faking it. I is a grown up. I'm faking it.

You're faking grown-upness? Yeah. Adulthood? You know I'm a nightmare. No way. I think you're a nightmare. Yeah, if you were going to spray paint a billboard, I don't know what could make me get on a billboard. What would bother me so much that I had to tag that?

Also, that can of spray paint was like the weakest can of spray paint I've ever seen in my life. It was so small. How are they going to get up there with one? Yeah, you said it. look like bus spray or bug spray shoe polish like black shoe polish yeah i don't know um i but i love that also we've never seen any billboard ever in tree hill and suddenly we have a billboard that's kind of funny leave it to dan leave it to dan well should we um directing yeah what do we got that's true should we spin a wheel yeah i want to spin a wheel

Most likely to, well, most likely to run away and join the circus. The circus. Like acrobatics? Like Circus Soleil, maybe? Just like bail on life and be like, guys, I'm out. I'm going to go to the circus. I think that would be fun. Who is an adult that doesn't have any responsibilities that could do that, though?

I feel like we have friends that have done. that have like done this kind of stuff like oh yeah I have friends who've done that weren't you doing like an acrobatics course like a silk acrobate like who has done that oh yeah I do that's that's like one of my pastimes that I enjoy is aerial silks yeah joy it's you but I'm not like I have responsibilities I can't like run away and join the circus I mean I guess we are in the circus right that's what we do for a living

I literally texted. So it's Gus. Gus has sixth grade exams this week. And I'm on a text thread with all the other parents. And they're freaking out because the history exam is worth a huge chunk of the grade. And they're like, you know, very stressed out about this. And I literally said, well, my husband and I are dropouts and we don't care about tests. So if any of your children would like to run away and join the circus with the Morgans, we have open arms. Yes. I mean, that's our industry. We are the circus. It will accept any freak that wants to come play. Yeah. That's how I feel. This isn't all of the above answer. I think so. I don't know who from the show, what character would run away. I guess Chris Keller. Yes. That's, he's most likely to for sure. Yeah. Or is it someone with like a secret life? Like, is there something we don't know about junk? Is junk like really good with. big cats. Like maybe he's got some Sigfride and Roy energy. Gigi feels like a wild card too. Sweet Kelsey Aspia.

Hey, Elise wants to know why is every room in Tree Hill painted red? Is it? Except Lucas's room and the five minutes that Peyton painted hers. There must be a technical reason for that. Why so many red walls? Are there? I've never noticed that. In all these years,

I never noticed that at all. No, I wish I had an answer for that question. I'd sadly do not. But now we'll have to... I don't think it's a technical question. I think maybe it's just like to, like a color scheme theme, perhaps. Well, so if you guys notice, I know some people ask questions about like hair color sometimes.

There's definitely a filter on our show. They were using kind of a warm orange filter to make everything seem really like homey. And, you know, it's crazy what the eye can do. It helps tell a story. And so if it's got that warm hue to it, the audience automatically feels warmer. So having colors that work well with that filter is important. That's true. I don't know that green is going to show up great with an orange filter.

You know what I mean? But a rich amber, a beautiful red velvet. That is such a funny thing for someone to have noticed. I guess maybe an interior designer. Maybe, Elise, are you? It's going to be like the lamps, Joy. Now that we've heard it, we're going to see them everywhere. We'll never see anything else, I'm sure.

Well, you know, since I never get to play this music for anybody, why don't I, like, we can say goodbye and then I can just sort of leave a few songs at the end for people. I love that idea. Let's just play three of them. So, guys, I'll play for you. This one of them is called A Sweet Country Home. This is when Noah and Allie or characters inspired by Noah and Allie. I don't know if I have to say that for like legal reasons.

I don't know. These are just two lovebirds singing. These are just two southern lovebirds. And they're in a house and the house is all dilapidated and falling apart. But they're dreaming about what it would be like if they lived together in this home and built it up. And then I'll also play you something called the colors play, which was inspired. by a scene when um the two of them are walking down a street they're just meeting it's their first date late at night and he's really trying to win her over and she's talking about all the things

she has to do and all her responsibilities and then he's just like what do you love tell me what you love and then she sings about what she really loves to do which is to paint and then the last one I'll play for you is something about when they're getting torn apart and uh in my version she goes away with her family on the train. And so Noah, inspired by Noah from the notebook, he sings. Paul Teal, who is later on our show as, I directed him in his first episode on our show as one of the movie stars in the movie that was made about Peyton and Lucas's romance. Remember based off of Lucas's book? Yeah, doesn't he play like Lucas or something? He might have played Lucas. Yeah, I forgot,

you know, you know me in my memory. I forgot. Paul Teal was a really wonderful improv actor in Wilmington. He was part of the improv troupe. level five and like joy when he was in high school he was a baby that got to play with the big kids so i love that he did your show really really talented guy and so this is really his song which incidentally for fans of the the music tour that i went on with tyler and michel branch this is a song that i actually sang a lot on tour and incorporated it into my my um fan version of the notebook uh is that like the fan the unofficial bridgerton Is that kind of what we're doing?

Yeah. It's fanfic. Fine. I love it. I'm also going to add in a couple more songs, since it's the only place that any of y'all can hear this music. Think of me is the song that is played after that song that you heard Alison Munn sing in the nightclub where now the soldiers are really going to war. And so there's a character I think I invented. I don't think she's in the book.

Maxie, who is one of Allie's best friends. and incidentally has a romance with Finn. And she is singing in the nightclub. She's like the nightclub singer. And she's Gus's, I think I made her Gus's daughter. And Gus is in the novel. And he's an older black man who is Noah's father's best friend. Who, it's complicated.

Anyway, Maxie sings this song, think of me in the nightclub. So one side of the stage, the nightclub is all slow dancing. And it's all silk and soldiers and beautiful. And this very sad song on the other side of the stage is General Patton and Finn and the soldiers at war. And so that's all happening at the same time. And I would like to say if you've seen the London production of, from here to eternity, they actually do this on stage, which is so funny because I wrote this like six or seven years before that came out. It always made me wonder if one the producers that saw our show, thought it was a good idea and then passed on the word.

But, or maybe it was just a good idea and somebody else had it too. But it's an interesting device that I had never seen on stage before. And so it's kind of fun. So you'll hear that. You'll hear Psalm 148, which is meant to be sung by Gus at Frank Noah's father's funeral. And through the storm is the last one you'll hear. Through the Storm is a song for the older couple inspired by Noah and Allie as they walk through her journey with Alzheimer's. So

there you go. Thanks so much you guys for joining us for this really weird episode. Okay. Yeah, love it! Yay! I hear you rented the old McCree place. Yep. Well, where do you live the rest of the year?

In Charleston. It's not too far away. Although now mama and daddy and I've begun to look at colleges and I like the idea Sarah Lawrence, but it's all the way in New York, and I just don't know if I'm ready to leave Carolina all together. I suppose I'll have to decide soon, though I only got the rest of this year. Well, what do you like? Well, what do you mean? Well, I mean, it seems like even when you're out having fun, you're worried that you're having too much fun, and I'm just wondering why I never see you out playing around.

I'm busy. I don't have a lot of time for playing around. I'm busy. Busy. What do a couple kids like us got to be busy with? Oh, lots. I got my whole schedule planned out for me. And what does that look like? Well, first arithmetic, I'm terrible at it. And then there's music. This week is Chopin. Current events, have you heard they're writing in Manhattan? Oh, Latin.

Then tennis with Pierre and dance with Henri. Then lunch on the pier while I study the sea. They're calling it now Marine biology French on the odd days Voice on the rest Housekeeping Fridays Though my room's still a mess

Junior League Tuesday Though it's hard while I'm here Somehow I manage office all year Wow That sounds like the road to success Oh yes Well we, Mom and Daddy now We feel very strongly about getting into a good college

A good education Is really the key Some girls are wasted But that won't be me I'm certain I'll live a successful and meaningful life As a wife and a working no integral part of the world Making plans making money on babies Close your eyes

Painting What? For fun I like to paint Tell me more, tell me, tell me, When the world becomes so full I'm gonna scream When I'm dizzy with the everyday routine When I'm almost up to hear with the voices that I hear say Allie be well mad and mustn't miss a lesson speak when you've been spoken to it for God's sake

Allie No album on the table are whistling through the dreams the honeybees will catch a breeze from far away and though I'm lonesome and my heart is at bay I find the lonesome disappears

with canvas near the colors play and while I am listening To the trees Across the sea Will come a teasing Lullaby She will tell me

How to stay locked in my fray I never mind The brush and I The brush and I Paint away I can't imagine anything more awful and unfair than wasting all your lifetime making plans. It may be just a feeling, but the feeling that I've got says this life and me we're

going to be each other's greatest fans. When I paint, I can see it all is clear. My dreams are right within by reach, no trace of fear. Oh, it's nothing grand. I just know I've been made For the richest of lives here inside The brush and my colors play. The brush and my colors

play What is this place? What is this place? When's a plantation? Built in 1772, I'm going to buy it someday and fix it up. Well, don't I get a say in this? Do you want to say in this? Oh, honey.

I've got my eye on a sweet country home where the mocking birds sing and the moon shines along a rivel where we will be happy as two can be. That sounds wonderful. I've got designs on a white country home where the shutters are blue and the sun shines along a wraparound porch

where three or four. can be happy as you and me. Then after the sun goes down, we'll cut up by the river, this old sleepy town will never be the wiser as we dream away those sweet Saturdays, sing summertime blues and laugh at the ways of the easy life that lushly. lazy life and be Happy just you and me Scarlett, you look lovely, you're all right Oh, it's so beautiful

It's brilliant, frankly Yes You are beautiful My dear It's so hot again It's hot, yes But after the sun rose down we'll Cut up by the river, this old sleepy town will never be the wiser as we dream away those Saturdays sing summertime blues.

And laugh at the ways of the easy life, that lush, lazy life and be happy just you and me. He is trash. Trash? Mama, you don't know anything about him. Noah is a good man. He's not good enough for you. I love him, Daddy, please. He can't provide a good life for you, honey.

He's just a country boy. Pretty boxes of diamonds of ribbons and pearls, maybe her heart's desire. What if she's fooling herself and me and everyone else into thinking that she's as free? as a winded lark. But I know too well and she'd never tell

and I'd only break her heart. Pretty boxes can be such curious things when you know what's inside has strong will and wings And it's only a matter of time before they go She'll try to live a simple life But simple lives are not for everyone I know her too well And she'd never tell

and I'd only break her heart Ali Oh, I'd only break your heart Noah, I'm sorry Noah? You know a Calhoun? Yes, sir. Got a letter here for you.

I can't. You read it. Noah, I'm sorry. I hate them. I can't believe they're really doing this. They're really tearing us apart. Some of love, she said. Lafted off as summer love.

But she doesn't know you like I do. Noah, Noah. Alan, don't talk to me. Oh, this is just silliness. Allie, oh sugar, I know you think that I don't know what you're going through, but I do. Listen to me, I do. It's just that sometimes our future is dictated by what we are as opposed to what we want. Oh, just try to understand that, honey.

That's all I'm going to say. I love you, Allie. I just want what's best. How I hope that you still love me After I have gone away You still hold my heart beside yours Always No one, no one

Summer romance is in for all kinds of reasons. When all said and done, they have one thing in common. They're shooting stars. A spectacular moment of light in the heavens. A glimpse of eternity and in a flash. They're gone. But that can't happen to us, Noah. No matter what they do, no matter who tries to keep us apart, I will come back to you.

Wait for me now. If you still love me, write to me and tell me so, and I will come back to you. On a Sunday, like the day we met, I'll take a train. No one, no one, write me soon, loving you. Sunday Sunday is only two days away Already they said Your train was coming and late

I'll wait It's cold air tonight And the fireflies glow Lights up the evening like Christmas Same as your eyes Before I let you go train. I can hear the whistle blowing you away. On a Sunday train, I can hear the steeple bells ringing our refrain. And I'll say goodbye again and again. Because I can't get it out of my hand.

And I'll wait like I wait for every Sunday train. You said you loved me and maybe I'm crazy but I can't let this die They said it might snow And they'll probably be rain And the wind's gonna blow I'll be here just the same Because I don't want to miss you And baby I miss you

Come on back this way On a Sunday train I can hear the whistle blowing you away on a Sunday train I can hear the steeple bells ringing our refrain and I'll say goodbye again and again

because I can't get you out of my head And I'll wait like a way I'll wait, I'll wait like I wait, I'll wait, I'll wait like a way, I'll wait like a way, for every Sunday train. thing. You can't afford to be a fool because the battle fools mean dead men. It's inevitable for men to be killed and wounded in battle. There's no reason why such loss increased because of the incompetence, carelessness of some stupid SOB. I don't tolerate such men on my staff. All right folks, Max is going to slow it down a little for you. So grab your gals and come on out

to dance. others arms are open wide to you. Seek out the enemies. Think of me. Remember why you love me too and say my name. Perhaps I'll hear you calling from across the sea. I'll close my eyes and if I try, Back in your embrace, I'll be, think of me.

Every job is important. Every job is important. When the nights get lonely and cold, think of me. Think of me. Recall the warmth you felt when we said we'd grow together, all and miss. Your kiss I can resist, oh, think of me, darling, while you are gone When in doubt, attack

Are you my name, keep it, keep it, like, keep it, this is happening Stay here, where are you going? I'm out of ammo, just stay put, I'll be right back If I had known that the love of my life would go, I'd of hell you and you would have known that without you I'm simply a shell of a woman. Think of me when all you hear are cries in the dark. Think of me. Recall the way I whispered to you and your heart was aching.

I'll confess You and I were made for love and tenderness Won't you think of me, darling, when you are gone. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Praise the Lord, Praise the Lord from the heavens. Praise the Lord. Praise him all his angels, all his host.

Praise him, sun and moon. And all you stars at night, let them praise. Praise the name. of Jesus. Praise the Lord all the earth and all the deep. You lightning hail fall and frost. You stormy winds fulfilling his call, mountains, mountains hills hills, mountains hills. Fruitful trees and cedar. Beast and all cattle, creeping things and flying birds,

kings of the land and all people. Princes and rulers, judges of the earth. Young men Made ancient children Praise the Lord From the heavens Praise the Lord

Praise him all his angels All his hosts Praise him Son and room And all you stars of night Let them praise Praise the name of Jesus.

Days go by and memories in my head. They sink like ships and sunsets, leaving wrecking. of a life I have. And I follow you through the storm and into the dark I'm still here with a kiss to bring you back to bring you back to you back to I don't want to fade anymore. I'll try to live without you. I'm nothing left without you.

And I threw a row. All to see But I hold on I felt a touch I will never let you slip away Don't want to fade anymore, I'm trying to live without you, I'm trying to live without you. I'm nothing left without you, without you, without you. Days go by and memories in my head.

ships and sunsets. Lawn is good. Lawn is kind. Lawn is steady and patient and make sure that I'm taken care of. Lawn is true. No one truer. Lawn is loyal and spoils me so.

He's a good man, a fine man, I know. It's appalling how ungrateful you are. There are many other places you might have landed. There are many worse fates to be for many women than to have a man who's kind and good and true. It's so silly how romantic you are In your quiet moments how you love for his touch But he's no more than an apparition in your past

Everything's changed now Hello Hi Betsy Routine conversation. Routine conversation. Nothing too suspicious. Everything is fine. Routine conversation.

All right then. Goodbye. What kind of fool am I to go to all this trouble? Go to lying and deceiving for a boy that I once knew. It was seven years ago, for God's sake, seven years, and here I am. What kind of fool does this, I ask you? What kind of woman tells the man she loves She loves him and then leaves him as a safety net

In case the one she loves more doesn't love her No, not really anymore What kind of woman wouldn't stop herself And march right out the door And yet here am I With my best dress and my favorite perfume My heart laid out Like a pig on a platter

And all a flutter Like a butterfly in June, oh dear me, bless my soul, I'm just a fool. Hello, hi, Laund. Routine conversation, routine conversation, nothing too suspicious, everything is fine. Yes, I found a dresser. It will be delivered Friday in the afternoon, if that's all right with you. I love you, too. Goodbye. Now I have to find a dresser and from someone who'll deliver God!

What kind of woman must I be to be so selfish to be lying left and right and feeling barely guilty of it? It's appalling and exhilarating. I'm a mess in loving every minute of it all for shame. But what kind of woman in my situation wouldn't do this? same. Besides, every woman likes her best dress and her favorite perfume, even if there's no one who cares to notice, well, then I guess, I'll be no worse off than I started, and I'll be no worse off than I started, and I'm though, bless my soul. been a fool. It's amazing how much more grown you all, always pretty in your youth, but now a woman. There are many new things still to learn in my hasten,

and a dream from years ago too late to rest. Excuse me, if I receive any calls while I'm out, will you please tell them I'll be back late this evening. Certainly, yes. Thank you. Routine conversation. Routine conversation. Nothing too suspicious. Everything is fine.

routine conversation Just seeing an old friend Not an ordinary In my best dress And my favorite perfume Oh Bless my soul I'm just a fool

In my best dress And my favorite perfume You Breathe in, breathe out, standing, but on my knees. breathe out speaking but my heart sing we're one soul through time we've lived a hundred lives before searching a million moments for this feeling and I would wait a thousand years or more I would stand beside you as you darkened this door.

We go in guns blazing, bring that devil to his knees. Oh, there's some strange power in you and me. breathe in breathe out and taking in my home breathe in breathe out and with one look you've calmed by storms we lived a hundred lives before searching a million moments before this feeling

and I would wait a thousand years or more I would stand beside you as you dark and death door We go in guns blaze and bring that devil to his names Ain't there's some strange power in you and me? Every move, every look, every touch he knows. So I can feel alive again. Every love, every look, every touch he knows. my love. Every storm, every whisper, and wind of the bows. Let me know you're here with me.

I would wait a thousand years or more. I would stand beside you as we darkened death door. We go in guns blaze and bring that devil to his name. Oh, there's some strange power Oh, there's some strange power In you and me Let me know you're here with me. You're here with me. email us at drama queens at iHeartRadio.com.

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