Drama Queens - Proms & Villains • EP416 (part two)

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Prom night in OTH digs up memories of prom nights IRL. As you might anticipate they were all memorable evenings, but not necessarily for the right reasons. Plus, on set injuries you wouldn’t believe and find out what moment in this episode gave the Drama Queens chills.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school, drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens.

Oh, friends, we had the lovely Matt Bar on last week to talk about the prom episodes, 415 and 416, but we still have so many thoughts and honestly questions. And we need to break down season four, episode 16, even further. So let's continue. You call it madness, but I call it love, air date May 2nd, 2007. Obviously, we spent all of last episodes setting this one up. Um, this one is actual prom, which I would love to dig into our real prom experiences before we be going to pretend. Yeah.

Like, like, like what are your core prom memories? Oh, man. Okay. I have this, I have this memory. Um, I went to prom. I went to senior prom with this boy, Kyle. And he was a sweet, like, South African surfer boy. And.

Uh, huh? And I wanted to go with my best friend who I was in love with, but he asked his ex-girlfriend who was not even in the school anymore. And I was so upset that I was like, well, that's a very clear message. Fine. Yeah. So Kyle and I went together and I had this moment. I remember sitting at the banquet table and like leaning over like I pretended I was going to kiss him. But then I was just like, I think I like did like a.

like blue in his face or something was just such a weird i don't know why in the world i did that there was i think i was just experimenting with my like playfulness and emotions and what is what do all these things feel like and this poor guy like thought he was going to get a kiss and then ended up getting like a blow in the face a blow in an airproof it haunts me you know those stupid things that you do in life that are totally meaningless that everyone else has forgotten about but they haunt you yeah that's one of them always feel bad about doing that to Kyle on senior prom. Oh, man. That's fair.

My prom experience haunts me too. Like, I went to prom. I went to prom junior and senior year, but I also went as a freshman. And my senior year, I went with my best guy friend and I had the best time ever. Thank God, because when I went as a freshman, I was one of the only freshman there, and I went with the captain of the football team. And this was like the biggest deal ever, ever. Yes. He was, I mean, I was so in love with him. And he was that guy that was like, oh, we're not going to go to a fancy restaurant because we don't really care about prom. We're going to go to a seafood buffet, right? And so my. That's a risk. He shows up late to pick me up. He shows up late. He has a black eye because he played basketball that morning. So he's Brooke Davis at that point.

We go and we have the seafood buffet and he gets food poisoning. So then he's Haley James Scott at prom because he's like, we're in the lobby of the hotel where he is laid out on a couch with his head in my lap because he's been vomiting. And the principal comes over and it's like, hey, are you going to be able to get him home? and I was like I'm 14 sir I can't drive like there was no nothing I could do so we he finally starts feeling better we go to an after party he's still just like laid up on a couch the whole time and then he brings me home at the end of the night and I don't kiss him because he has been vomiting all evening yeah yeah and he dumped me because he told all his friends he's like they were like you kiss her do kiss her and he's like no she just like closed the door

She, like, hugged me and said good night and left. You're like, you think? What a loser. You guys, that night has haunted me for a decade. Decades. We don't know about it. Because there's no regrets, right? It's not something you regret.

No, listen, Joy, watching Haley, like, just sit at the table while everyone else's dancing gave me such PTSD. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. No, I've been there. It's not fun. Yeah. I don't know. It's funny because there's the nostalgia. this episode of like senior prom, senior prom, it's such a big deal. Because my school was so small,

like there were 55 girls in my class. Yeah. You went to prom every year. You did? Freshman through senior year, because otherwise there weren't enough kids. Oh. You know, there were under 200 kids with dates who even went to prom. Yeah. And so people were, so many people in my school would say, eh, I'm going to go this year. I'm not going to go. It just wasn't really a big deal. Why don't they even do prom? Because it's an all-girls school. Did they have like, I mean, did you guys do your own or you have boys for another? Yeah, we did our own. We did our own and you brought your date. And it was, it was fun and sweet. And, you know, I, up until I was a senior, I had been dating my, like, high school and essentially childhood camp sweetheart. So we went to

prom every year together. All my school dances, all his school dances. Spencer's just the best person oh my god that's so cute oh yeah just the best person and then you know we had that moment around i don't know 16 17 thinking like we're kids like we've never known or dated anyone else this is insane um and so my by my senior year halfway through my senior year i started dating this sweet beautiful boy who was totally like a different kind of person and so my by my senior year i started dating this sweet beautiful boy who was totally like a different kind of person again you're trying to figure out who you are oh yeah my senior year in high school was the spitting image of paul walker what like a total jock the opposite of like the you know guy super into music and camping like they they couldn't have been

more different and i was just like kind of along for the ride figuring out like who am i what's my vibe and then I think about college and like my college sweetheart was it was like a computer graphics designer like nobody could be more different but senior prom felt I think like the standout to me because it was the first time in my you know middle school and high school life that I was in a new relationship and that felt like a really that felt like a really big deal it wasn't comfortable it was like what's going to happen to know there was some mystery still there where are we going I've never been to a dance at your school. I've been going to dances at Spencer's school

since, like, I was 10. I love mystery, man. That made it feel really fun and sweet. Lots of mystery in this show, guys. We had the full range of experience at Tree Hill's senior prom. You sure did. Good times, bad times.

There were like two totally separate TV shows happening in this episode. Drastically. There was the horror film, and then like the feel good Nathan Haley's storyline. Nathan Haley and Mouth and Rachel are in

like they're in a John Hughes movie and the rest of us are in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Well and even Lucas and Glenda are part of the John Hughes movie. Like they're on a cute and then there's team terror. I feel like Dan

was the only link we had between psychotic and reality. So it was That was helpful to me because I was always very unsettled when Dan was on camera. Because in the last episode, I was not buying the whole. I just felt so unsettled. Like Nathan and Dan having like a banter about, oh, the videotape and blah, blah, blah.

But so anyway, I always felt very unsettled when Paul was on camera in this episode. And that helped me get over. But it's a testament to Tom Wright's abilities as a director to make those transitions work because they did. The interesting thing that you point out about Paul is, that he has been, Dan Scott has been the best version of himself for so many episodes in a row now that it almost feels like maybe he's learned something. And Nathan essentially is the mouthpiece for the audience saying to Lucas, look, Dan is different. I don't know what else to say about it, but he's different. Yeah. And when you see Dan with Whitey, you realize, nope, he's still in there.

That's still in there. Yeah. Well, let's start at the beginning. Let's start at the beginning. Let's see. start at the beginning because we have so much we want to cover that isn't with our fabulous guest today um there's a lot of like cute stuff that doesn't involve basement uh if we want to make sure we had all of that um whitey to your point like whitey whitey's face when karen and down walk in together is so like okay brilliant cool and he waits don't care you are right yeah what the hell are you doing oh that's it it's like i've already watched you ruin this girl's life like please don't do it again i'm supposed to be concerned with the kids tonight like don't make

me worried about the grownups at the party yes and i i really wrestle with karen i watch her and i'm like how i mean i don't know i guess we all do it in different ways we all have things that we want so we just prioritize that desire and get into ourselves into stupid situations because we can't see past who knows about certain things and I don't know, I'm just looking at her dancing with Dan

and like, what? Yeah. I think there's really something to it though. The fact that he is showing up for her consistently and in the beginning she rebuffed him and he has come back and come back and come back and come back

and much like Nathan she sees something in him that is familiar. Yeah. It is human instinct. You know, we talk a lot about this, that you're supposed to let people make mistakes and find themselves. And even the worst things a person could do, you want them to heal.

You want them to get better. You want them to be rehabbed, you know, whether it's dead and literal alcoholism or an emotional disease. You hope that people can get past. the bad parts. And so it's really tricky to know where the line is. Can you allow someone like Dan to change or should you keep him out of your life forever? And that conundrum of how to know, you know, you hear people talk about it with marriage, for example, and someone will get out of a bad marriage and say, well, everyone always said marriage was work. So I figured this was just

the work. And then other people will say, yeah, it's work, but it shouldn't be that much work. And it's like, okay, but what's the work line? What's the line? How do you know? And I say this is a person who's in a great relationship, who's been in bad to, like, abusive relationships. It's very easy to go, well, but isn't this the work? So I think about that for Karen, and I wonder if for her, the boundary, it's not like it's a line you can see. It's something you have to kind of feel out and determine in every way that you've been hurt and every

you know, version of whatever you've suffered that's made you parentified or unable to communicate, like, whatever all the things are, it affects where you see the line. And I love the humanity that Moira brings to Karen as she's witnessing Dan and as she is literally being given the opportunity to get a do-over of her worst hurt. I really sympathize with her wanting a new ending. Even if it's temporary, she wants a new ending. Appreciate the character consistency, too, that Karen is someone who,

and it goes through to Lucas, too, that she just wants to see the best in people. You know, and I think that's something you learn when life kicks your ass, especially when you're young, you kind of have to pick, okay, am I going to be the kind of person who just hold on to things?

and that's like I see people treat me bad and so from now on that's where I'm going to live in that emotional space or am I going to not let the bad things that other people do define me and I'm going to continue to allow myself to trust and be open and I think that that's something that Karen decided and then you see how Lucas constantly tries to see the best in people and Lucas's best friend being Haley who also has that quality I think there's a consistency there that makes sense. So I like that, you know, it kind of runs through the family line.

Mm-hmm. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric,

that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I wish that women as like mothers had been prioritized a little bit and Karen's story had more flesh to it because it's hard for me to understand. understand. Karen, who's so cool, who owns this business in town, does not have any family and does not have any friends that she can bounce this Dan relationship off of. Like, her buddy was dead, his ex-wife. And so there's no one for her to bounce this information off of other than her son who, it's his dad, you know? And there's a complicated thing happening there she needs her core group of girlfriends to be like what are you doing yes because when you're by yourself it becomes really easy to rationalize things but when you have to say out to other people

that's when you are like uh i can't i can't make this make sense can you help me yeah and yeah karen should have like a strong network of friends she is a likable successful woman in this town Well, and it's interesting that isolation, when you think about relationships you've been in that weren't good, when I think about relationships I've been in that weren't good, it was the isolation that allowed them to continue. Oh, yeah. Because when you don't have a sounding board, the only person you have to bounce your reality off of is the person who wants you to stay in that reality. and it adds a layer when you think about it that way to this whole dynamic of Karen and Dan because I do believe there's a part of Dan that loves Karen and I believe there's a part of Dan that wants he wants to win he wants to win it's a it's that classic narcissist needs a supply thing

and I wonder if in the sort of subconscious of him he identifies her now because she's alone It's like she's the deer that's been separated from the pack. She's easy to grab. And I wonder if that's why it's in her aloneness that he is showing up in ways he never has before. Sure. Dudes have hero complexes. And Dan is the king of that. I appreciate that Nathan doesn't try to be a hero in this whole situation.

I mean, the apology tour that he went on was lovely. The apology tour was great. Nathan screwed up in the last episode. He goes on this apology tour. And then in this episode, rather than trying to be the hero, he takes the moment with Haley to be like, let's just be kids. Like, what if I don't have to be the hero? What if we could just admit we're big idiots and our car broke down?

And all we want to do is be little dorky kids. Yeah. That felt honest. And that felt kind of outside of the trope that a lot of. of our male characters get into of like, I'm going to save you. It's like, no, just admit you're a dork. That's so much cuter. Admit you don't have the answers.

Let your mom come pick you up and give you a ride. In an episode where you just wish anybody had a parent, you know, Peyton, Brooke, Rachel, now, nobody has parents. It's so nice to see Deb come and pick these kids up and try to do right by them. And make fun of herself. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Would have driven on the sidewalk more if it had been a couple months ago. I love that. We also have a lot of Lucas Glenda interactions, which I love it. I'm so into this relationship. I love these two together. And I really wish that we had had the ability to keep Glenda on the show. Amber's awesome. Amber is so amazing.

And it's, you know, it's tough for the, for the friends at home, being in Wilmington, being so physically far from L.A., and even the fact that it's just so hard to get there, it takes all day, it's two flights. It can be really difficult to keep people around because they got to go home. They got to audition for other stuff. And I really wish that the studio had seen what we see or that, you know, our bosses had seen what we see and that they had given her the regular job that she deserved. because she, I think, is as additive to our show as mouth. Yes. And, like, they finally picked it up with Lee Norris, and they went, oh, my God, we can't lose him. They got smart, but they didn't get smart with everybody.

And, God, I just love watching her. And I love who we get to see Lucas be with Glenda. Because we are told in the first couple seasons, Lucas is the good guy. Lucas is the good guy. But he's not necessarily acting like a good guy, you know? And we have been critical of that. In his relationship with Genda, we get to see, like, Lucas Scott is a good guy. He's open and he's vulnerable with people and he's inclusive and he's thoughtful when she's dealing with her mother.

You know, like I like that she lets him show off that side of himself that the fan base obviously fell in love with. And it's not always the romantic relationship that makes you your best self. Well, that's it. Because in romantic relationships, he tries to be a hero. And he always goes and tries to rescue the person who's in pain, which usually is not the person he's dating. The whole time he's dating Brooke, he goes and tries to help Peyton. And now he's dating Peyton, so he goes to see Brooke first. And Peyton's mad about it.

Like, because she knows what he's doing because she's like, you did this with me when you were with her. Yeah, yeah, baby, I know this act. Like, cut it out. You're supposed to grow up. And with Glenda, because his romantic interests are taken up, elsewhere, he really is himself. And he gets to ask questions and he gets to admit that he needs help with some things. And the way she holds space for him when she offers to be his sounding board and offers to walk the school with him and help him find his story again, it's so

generous. And the two of them together have such a great chemistry. And I love to see non-romantic chemistry. It's so interesting because you never know what's going to happen next. You're not assuming somebody's going to kiss. Right. Anything could happen. You know, everyone gives a shit for Baggonon Lucas in the first couple seasons because they told us he's the good guy, he's the good guy, you know.

But now we get to see him be the good guy. Now with Glenda, we see that Lucas Scott that is just such a good friend and open. He's still the River Court boy with her. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah. And we love him in these scenes. God, I was thinking Glenda was the one actually who was sending Dan the messages.

Right. I don't know. I had this little mislead. I don't know if they did that on purpose, but I felt it. Well, I said, yeah, when the phone was in the hallway, I'm like, who else could have left it? Right. Right. Yeah.

I don't know. But I like her. Alison Skagliotti played the character who's in the classroom with you guys that had diabetes, Abby, who left. she was a really good actor like really good this episode seems to be all about people who have really proven themselves on our show and we're just like how can we get all of them back yes it felt so good it still felt like like the core family on the show which you know guest stars don't always make it feel that way so they did they found exactly the ones that really fit these guys fit tree hill so well the three of them did so beautifully and

You know what I really loved also? Remember a couple episodes ago where we were talking about how sometimes when they were doing these flashbacks for Lucas with trying to figure out what happened to Keith, some of them are gorgeous. Like when the camera is in the round and Craig Sheffers, they're talking, gorgeous. And then some of the things, Hillary, your least favorite thing in the world, the morphing. Don't work so long. Oh my God, the morphine. The morphing. In this episode, the continued challenge.

between Dan and Lucas, when Dan is saying, drop it, drop it, drop it. And Lucas can't. And unbeknownst to him, Dan says what Keith has been saying. Yes. The callback of Open Your Eyes, and Lucas finally realizes Abby was on the other side of those blinds.

I had full body chills. Yeah. Yeah. That was a callback that was so, so good and so well done. And my God, Tom Wright did such a good job. He really did. That's a hard episode. Let's do cute kids at prom, psychotic break, full horror movie, and then the mystery and ghosts.

Yeah, ghosts. Yeah, okay, I have to say, I know we're not at the end of the episode, but I do have something I want to throw in the ring for an honorable mention. Oh, okay. The dude it's prom guy. We have to punch, speaking of cute kids at prom. And you, Joy, you and James getting in on the dude, it's prom. Like, there's barely any lines in that scene.

It's three words you're saying, but everyone's saying them in their own way. And it made me laugh out loud. I loved it so much. Yeah. And it was such a perfect, just cute kids being kids. To your point earlier, Hillary, like, everybody's just being teenagers. Yeah. And I loved it.

I loved it. It really is one of the nice things about our show, having a big cat. that everybody can take a lane for for episodes so you know we can do just the cute kids low drama stuff and then let you guys have all the high drama switch it around um i remembered filming this episode a lot i don't know why but i had a lot of this room boot off that's why you remember it was like a celebration i know thank god i'm out of my boot prism um yeah no i just remembered I remembered that guy. I remember being in the car with James. I remembered a lot of the stuff at prom. I don't know.

It's funny how those memories just come back. Yeah. I did too. I had really visceral memories of that dress, the red satin dress, because it was a big deal to figure out the black light, just to make it look right. Like you can see that they had to punch it up even in post to really make the word horror glow in the black light,

because it kind of worked, but with all the other lights on the set, it was really hard to just have a black light moment. And I just remember, I remember how fun it felt to lean into the comedy as Brooke of realizing that this insult is sprayed across my stomach and using it as the key to know. She still loves me. She loves me. And to get you over to her house. Yeah.

It opens up the door for the whole rest of the episode. Yeah, I just, it really tickled me and watching it back. I had that feeling. Like, I had the same feeling of amusement and adoration. Like, I could feel it in my body like it was yesterday. And that felt really fun. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kinds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. See, I'm jealous that you guys got the prom experience. because he never i mean i show up at the very very end no you were just getting beat up you guys got to do like the cute entrance on the red carpet like i love the rivercourt boys coming in together like that was great it's all so sweet like everyone's getting to dance and there's little statues of

liberty everywhere which don't make a ton of sense but like what was that about and there was purple lots of purple balloons as usual prom was new york new york new york oh oh yeah oh yeah i mean okay yeah once brook became a cosmopolitan girl doing close over rows um for for me there's some stuff that we had to do in this episode that we've had to do in previous episodes like Peyton has been drugged before right and i hated how that was done in season one because it was shot poorly and and it just read really cheesy um where is this episode it goes from you guys being super cute brook being super cute at prom and it tonally still somehow works that tom wright shots in that basement of like the glitchy stuff and like

the weird fade-ins and kind of the blurred vision and the weird like tunnel audio it all works you've got like the pretty lights at the prom and the pretty lights in the basement you've got the fun sexy music at prom and then this weird freaky music that derrick has created from payton's podcast remix with your voice i love that that was so upsetting to me such a genius idea but so tremendously uncomfortable is tremendously uncomfortable is it on the internet like is that full song released somewhere you know somebody has it we should we should email lindsay Or something, you know, somebody's got that. Yeah, the mirror image stuff between the two situations is interesting.

And it's just, you know, it's a credit to Tom and to our crew because they had to build that stuff. They had to build an entire prom set and an entire basement set for this one episode. It was a huge lift. Yeah. Yeah, the construction work that goes into stuff like this is incredible. And that's the stuff that folks. at home never get to see you know to your point hill there there's no basement in Peyton's real house and and so to create a world that feels and looks as real as that did is so impressive and to think

about the fact that the basement was on stage Peyton's bedroom was on stage but the staircase was in the real house yeah so we had to shoot that in multiple parts over multiple days and this actually might be a great time you know we do this as a reminder every so often because we know people go to Wilmington and visit the houses and you talked about this hill you're friends with the people who live in Peyton's house please take photos from the houses from the sidewalk our friends at home and please don't creep around the side of that house looking for the basement windows because the basement doesn't exist and creeping around the side of people's houses is pretty terrifying for their teenage

daughter so don't do that don't do that take your picture and move on let's be cool let's just be polite That's where the line is. Okay, I want to know after, this is for both of you, actually. After shooting that episode, do you remember being in physical pain? Because it's not like we were all training for a Marvel movie and training for all this kind of like stunty stuff. I mean, that was just thrown at you. What was your recovery like?

The whole, from the first fight with Derek, through the end of this season, I had horrific like neck problems and I would totally lock up and I can tell some scenes where I'm not moving my head. They used to have to have a massage therapist and like a chiropractor come to set so that I could move. Like it would never occur to anyone to give me an off day, but they would have to come to set and come into my trailer because I developed, I guess, scar tissue between my shoulder blades that would just like. sees up. And then when you tell people that you're injured from a teen drama TV show, like, that's, yeah, that's a joke, right? Yeah. Was there a moment you felt like a crack or something happened? They're like a moment you were shooting and you were like, something just happened in my neck? Or was it just a buildup

of stress throughout? It was probably a buildup of like what was going on behind the scenes and also what was going on on set and the long hours. It wasn't like any, kind of specific incident, but you don't know it in the moment your adrenaline's so hot in the moment where you're doing this stuff. It's like two days later where you're just like yeah, like a car wreck. Yeah. Like a car wreck. Yeah. So if you've done a few, so if you've done a few movies too that were like really physical like the hitcher and you know things, when you guys got done with this, how do you recover also emotionally from being in that space for such a long time. It's really difficult, and I will say, you know, to Hillary's point,

like, I've had some pretty gnarly set injuries. I've gone from set to the hospital on more than one occasion doing stunts, and it's really rare that they'll let you go to the hospital, so it has to be really, really bad for it to go that far. And your adrenaline is so high. Like, I didn't realize I had a really nasty fall doing stunts and had to go to the hospital to get an MRI and a CAT scan at the recommendation of the camera crew. They were like, we watched that happen. You have to go get your brain checked. Like, your brain might be bleeding and you've got to go to the hospital.

And I knew I was in pain, but I had such a serious concussion that, like, I couldn't even see straight. So I wasn't thinking that clearly. But then on another occasion, like, I was doing these scenes where I was running. and I rolled my ankle and didn't really think too much of it. Like, it really hurt. But I was like, I'm going to, you know, I'll get right back into place and keep going. And so we ran for, you know, another four hours.

And my ankle has never been the same. Like, I have a fracture in it that's healed the wrong way. And to fix it would be like a major surgery. So I'm not going to do it. And it's just really interesting that you don't, it's not a normal experience doing stunts because they go for so long. And yes, your adrenaline is so heightened because something crazy is happening to your body. So you have that response, even though it's not quote unquote real. And what I have found that's really interesting is it's really now. It's only more recently that I'm

learning that I have to take better care of my body. I have to go to the chiropractor to work on the injuries I have. I have to see, to Hillary's point, a massage therapist. I'm not really, great at it, but I'm trying. I'm realizing that if I'm doing stunts at work, I don't just want to meet with the stunt coordinator about the choreography. I want to warm up. Like, I'm not going to do a stunt without doing a 30-minute warm-up with a professional anymore because that's how I get hurt. But nobody told us that stuff when we were. No, we were kids. We were trying to be production friendly. We're like, yeah, hit us with a car. We'll be great. And we're like, we're passionate. We're passionate actors, too. And actors will like, we're like, yeah, throw me in it,

whatever I have to do. Let's do it. We're young with no training and we're not prepared and then we're just fully physically throwing ourselves into things. Yeah, I know he's warming you up because they don't want to hold camera. It's like too crazy. The fight scene where Brooke and Payton are taking turns tackling Psycho Derek in this episode. One, like while we're watching it, I'm like, Sof, I can't believe we did this.

I know. In a million years because now, you know, I don't really act anymore now. I do a bunch of other stuff. And if I do act now, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't, I don't jump. Don't be ridiculous. To see us in our youth, just like going for it is. Oh, that's funny. You guys were awesome.

I'm still such a, I'm still such like a stunt junkie that I'm like, what can we do? Can I get on a wire? Me too. Where's the fight going to go? Are we going to go? Yeah. a window like I I love it but I've learned I've learned to love it less recklessly for sure yeah like joy you asked we had this moment on the um when we were doing the hitcher and we were doing

this like high speed neck and neck scene down a highway going 70 miles an hour and I got harnessed into the car and rolled the window down and leaned out to my hip bones of a car going 70 miles an hour, beating my fist on the window of the car next to us. And I was like, I really probably shouldn't have done that. Yeah. That was an insane thing to do. If Tom Cruise could do it, you could do it. Do it. No, it was great. But like, it also wasn't top gun. Like, let's be, if I'm going to die, like, I don't know, man. Like, where are you, what are you really willing to perhaps wound yourself deeply for? I don't know. the last time i did stunts i was pregnant with george and i had to like do the first part of the stunt

right like just fall out of frame and then let this other chick completely take over and then at the end pop up right and that was the first time i ever let myself not do the stunt because i was carrying a baby and when i watched that episode and realized that no one at home would give a fuck i was like i'm never doing this again and by the way she's going to be her not so that no one can tell. No one can tell. No one can tell. No one can tell. One of the little tidbits that I really liked that didn't require any exposition. Sometimes, you know, the writers want to tell the viewers what to think or what to know. In this episode, Brooke goes around to the back of Peyton's house and knows exactly where

the key is. And just that little bit of action tells you the depth of their friendship, that they are family. And that Brooke knows that when Peyton locks her door, which she hasn't done in four years, but when she does, Brooke is the person that knows where the spare key is. And that says so much right before they're about to enter into this nightmare. I did love that. Yeah, it's all the little moments of familiarity. Your car's in the driveway.

Oh, fine. You locked me out. You know, I'm coming in. And even coming down the stairs. really just thinking that you're fucking with me. Oh, you're going to hide in your creepy basement because you know I hate it?

Fine, I'll come down there. You know, it's like these, they're grumpy little girls. And then in a way, in a way, Brooke gets to help reveal. That was the name of my band in college. Grumpy little girls? Perfect.

I like it when characters get to do what the camera is doing. when someone walks you into a room and reveals it to you. And I think there's a really interesting reveal that happens coming down the stairs because we've been really in tight on you and on Matt Barr in that basement. It's been creepy and intimate and gross. And the sort of wide sweeping, oh, we're in the upside down happens when you come down that staircase with Brooke. And I thought that was a really cool directing choice on Tom's part.

Okay, next episode, it is season four, episode 17. It gets the worst at night. I can't imagine anything worse. Yeah, how does it get worse from here? I guess we'll see next week. Bye. Bye. Thanks, everyone.

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