Drama Queens - Say the Thing!! • EP308

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

The Drama Queens are back together!!!! Joy and Hilarie catch Sophia up on the drama she missed while she was on her honeymoon… Brooke had a drunken disaster and it involved Chris Kellar — oh my!! Keen observation: we all know Dan is a narcissist… but it’s time to do a deep dive into his psyche. Is it all over for Dan Scott? And Joy reveals Haley’s biggest mistake thus far….See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Hello, friends. It feels nice to say that. We missed you. I missed you guys. Too bad you weren't off doing anything important. I know. That's how you know your friends have your back and they're like, take some time off for your honeymoon.

Yeah, you did. You did. So thank you. Well, you're glowing. You look fantastic. Thank you. Did you take a vacation for the first time in your adult life, Sophia? I couldn't believe it. I said to Grant, I was like, I feel like we've been away for a year. He was like, well, it's been two weeks so far. And you might need to take more vacations. And I was like, I don't know how this works.

But it is so good to be back with you, angels. We missed you. We are here. We are here. for Season 3, Episode 8, The Worst Day Since Yesterday, which aired originally on November 30th, 2005. It is the first game of the season for the Tree Hill Ravens. Brooke is reeling from her drunken mistake. Let's call it a drunken disaster. Don't drink, kids.

Making poor choices. Jesus, making poor choices after Lucas found her in bed with Chris Keller in the most incredible camera reveal of all time. Meanwhile, she decides to take matters into her own hands with her designs. Payton and Haley mend fences to support Brooke in her time of need. Lucas is having a hard time focusing on the game. And Karen and Dan continue their campaigns on the radio. But Karen is presented with some damning video recording by Mouth, always the hero.

Wow. I liked this episode. I did too. I did too. We had some doozies that I was not into, but this one was like back to happy sad, happy sad. That's the balance of the show, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, there's some fun stuff happening. It kept my interest the whole time I was like, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? It didn't feel like it was lagging or it didn't feel like an episode where the writer's room was just desperately trying to patch something together so they could keep the episode going, you know? Yeah. No more bottle episodes of weirdness. And so much of the dialogue felt real. I felt like, and I don't know.

know if people were ad-libbing a little more freely in this episode because, you know, the director was giving them permission to or what, but so many conversations felt really real and snappy and quirky and it didn't feel like dialogue. Yeah. I always love seeing the three of us together, too. There's something magical about those scenes. Look, the boys are fine. The boys are fine. We love them. Everyone knows that we love them, but the scenes where we're together. I'm just like, I just love you guys. This show is fun. I love it.

Here's a step away from the cake. Yes, when you guys walk into the apartment and I just have my face in a chocolate cake, good God. I think I ate like four cakes that day. It was miserable. It just felt good. I was like, I want to watch this for an hour. Did he sing to you? Oh, yes.

Oh, listen, the curtains scene. It was so. so good. Being huddled up on the couch together. Yeah. And the humor in it, everyone trying to help and saying the wrong thing and each of us saying something as advice, but then realizing it was like a diss to something else, someone had done like, I'm not going to leave him a message.

I'm sorry. I'm looking at Hayley. Oh, my God. Sophia, you're so good at being overwhelmed by shame. Oh, my gosh. Styrical. The amount, I literally wrote the Haley, you guys. in my notes. It's notes, notes, notes. Oh, my God, I'm a groupie, and in all caps, the shame.

The shame. I mean, we've all done that. We've all, like, either kissed the person or, like, hooked up with the person that we have to explain later, and it is such a miserable feeling. Like, the worst. And laughable later. You've got to give yourself, like, a grace period. We can laugh at more brook now, but. Oh, yeah. Day after. In the moment. In the moment, it's so awful. I remember even doing that scene where Lucas walks in and it looks like Brooks alone in the bed and then Chris pops up behind her and even filming the scene felt like a nightmare. Like I knew I could see even though I was in it, it was like I had a bird's eye view.

I had like left my body and I was up in the corner and I was like, this is awful. Were you freaked out about, like, the fans' reactions? Like, were you at all aware, like, they're going to revolt and think, you know? Because I can watch it now and still be Team Brooke and be like, but she said they weren't exclusive. What do you want? Yeah. I mean, look, I knew people would be upset, but what I will say I appreciated is that, you know, sometimes the writers would want to wrap up a storyline in an episode, which doesn't ever let you dig into something.

Yeah. And for all of the beginning of season three, you're really seeing how Brooke is trying to learn to cope with her feelings. And she doesn't know how to get over feeling betrayed. And she wants to trust him, but she just can't. And she's scared. So I felt like, I mean, I felt like it was a step too far. I was like, come on.

She's got to, like, bang this guy. We're teenagers. But I also thought so many people look for outlets for their pain that are not healthy. And when you're a kid and you don't have the language, like, I could understand it. If it had happened in the second episode of season two or three, I think it would have been real, real bad. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that about Brooke.

Brooke is so good at living messy, just big and loud and messy. And the same way that Peyton is so aggressively chasing after life, I feel like every day, Peyton is just like, there's the fire in her belly always, wherever she is, whatever she's doing, she's like, I'm going to be aggressive about this. Even when she's tender, it's just like your heart on your sleeve all the time, everything, you know, or it's like it's bottled up, but your heart's always on your sleep. I don't know how to explain that, but that's one of the things I love about Peyton. But for Brooke, you're so big and messy.

It's just a big, giant, messy life. And to be able to do that, I think is actually really beautiful. Maybe I just envy it because I wasn't able to live that way for a long time in my life. And I'm just starting to discover the freedom of what that feels like. Yeah, you are. You are living right now. Yes, but, you know, it's hard to do. And I think you could see it in Haley because she's a lot more bottled up

controlled and just trying to do everything the right way. And Brooke certainly has, I feel like she's got pure motives all the time, but it's just that she allows herself to be a mess. And it's kind of great. I don't know. Brooke Davis is, she's puppies. Like, Brooke Davis is like fun to look at and really fun to pet and fun to play with, but sometimes they shit on the floor. And you just have to be okay with that if you like puppies. Guys, I had big puppy energy for a long time. And it took me a while to be like, oh, if I, as a person, I'm going to love this big, sometimes that's going to be really messy. All right.

Like, I'd rather love everybody. That's it, man. No, this is a fun episode, too, because we got a real basketball game out of this episode. Yeah. Right? This basketball game was shot so well. This was the most interesting basketball game we've had on the series, in my opinion.

It was gorgeous to launch. It was. And it's about as much basketball as I can handle. Let's be honest. That montage was a solid three and a half minutes, girls. Yes, it was. Energy. It was one whole Jack's mannequin song.

Yes, it was. I wonder if that's how they got their rights to the song was that they had to agree to play the song in its entirety in the episode. Because you know how they chop things up sometimes? Yeah. So you can pay less. Is that how, is it like pay for?

It's kind of a popular song, right? So, yeah, that album, Jack's Manichin, you know, what was it? What was the name of that album? Do we know? It was like, yeah, it was a really good album. And I think they were courting him to come on the show because he hasn't come on yet, has he? Not yet. Not yet.

He comes on eventually and like shot a music video and really became like one of our, you know, rah-rah artists. But this was, I think, their way of kind of, like, stroking his ego and be like, hey, man, we want a whole song. We only gave these other guys like 45 seconds, but we're going to do an entire basketball montage to mix tape, and it's going to be freaking radical. Was it, wait, our producer just dropped a note in the chat. Was it everything in transit? I'm going to Google this. Hold on. This would make cell phones for. Did this, we had Asher, John Asher directed this episode. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, he did a really nice job with the sports, I have to say. And the comedy, too. There was a lot of comedic bits. Everything in Transit 2005. Genius. There you go. Asher was always really good with movement. He did a lot of like really alive movement. And I think it, especially in an episode like this, like even Hillary, when you and I go into the store and we're stealing all the clothes back, like we're moving through the store the whole time. There's never stillness. That's right. And it adds an element of excitement.

Yeah. It's very cool. Maybe that's part of why the episode felt like it was flowing so well and moving so quickly from storyline to storyline, everything. All the pieces kind of kept moving. I think it helped that he's a really young, he was a really young director. He was only a few years older than us, you know? Yeah, I think he was like late 20s.

And having that kind of shorthand, you know, he's a guy that grew up in the business, his parents were in Hollywood, like, has been around it his whole life. So he had just as most experience as every other director we worked with, but he was just a baby. And we could improvise with him, like, to your point earlier, Joy, we could ad lib because he was like, yes, let them just say it the way they want to say it. And yeah, sometimes older school directors aren't as game for that, you know? You're bringing the wild kid. I always felt really creative when Asher was around. Like we could just play and have fun.

and didn't take it so seriously, you know, which it really turns out, usually turns out the best performance in my opinion. Well, and it's an interesting point. You make Hill about

sometimes with older directors, there's a stiffness. And I think especially when, you know, someone who's in their 50s is coming in to deal with a bunch of kids that are 22.

They're like, listen, kids. And you're all, you're like, okay, because you just got out of college. You're like used to shutting up when your professor tells you to.

And it can be intimidating to try to play with an authority figure. But to, like, play with someone who kind of reminds you of, like, your cool young uncle who you've always called your cousin because he doesn't feel old enough to be your uncle. Like, it's a different energy. For sure. Yeah, he used to play dodgeball with us after work. Like, like, drink with us when we'd rap, you know? Also, God, I wish we had him on the episode because I have a question speaking. of movement, when Nathan goes in to tell Chris Keller, he's been a dick, and Chris thinks

it's about Brooke, and then Nathan shoves him, Tyler fell all the way over that chair in a way that, like, I felt over. He felt over. Guys, there's no stop, Matt. You can see, you can see the floor. So normally when we do a stunt like that, they like frame it so that you can't see the floor so there can be something. There's nothing there. I think the camera department was just like, we caught it. We caught it. I think so too. I bet John told Tyler just fall. Just like let him, don't try and stop yourself. Just fall over. And it works. It was really funny. Part of me wonders if like he was just standing so close to the chair and James bopped him and he just went over. That could have been it too. Like it was so genuine and embarrassing. Yeah. I love that. Tyler was

It's so game for it, though, because I know, you know, he didn't try and stop and be like, oh, whoa, I didn't give, he just, he just went right along with it. You know, those memes where it's just like in sports, like a basketball, you know, somebody pretends like they've been fouled and they just throw themselves on the floor. You know, like it's a little shove, but the next thing you know, they're like 20 feet away and they're holding their knee. I mean, I'm in turn. I'm right on my attorney. Ow, what are you doing? Oh, my God. We all kind of pounded on Chris Keller in this episode. I love slapping him in this episode.

And that's like one of those things that fans want to have Tyler and I recreate all the time. They're like, you guys have done so many Christmas movies, but we like it better when you hit each other. When you guys walked in there so pissed and Joy, you started in on him and then Hillary you walked in, I literally, while we were watching it, thought, hit him! And then you did. I was like, great. Problem solved. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I really, really liked the Haley-Patant stuff in this episode because I never understand. I mean, we've talked at nauseam about why Peyton's being a dick to Haley. But I appreciate that there are, there's progress. in this episode, you know, like Haley and Nathan, she's not groveling anymore. Like, things are feeling nice.

And Haley and Peyton, there's progress there because people are just talking about how they feel. It's just been feeling so mopey. Everybody was moping for a while. So it's nice. Lucas really is the only one moping now. Well, and even when Nathan called it out, Nathan was like, just forgive her, man. Like, shitty advice, right? Oh, my God.

It was so good. There's something I was thinking about. watching that scene with you guys in the car, which was so nice. Well, not shot nice, Sophia. Not, it's green screen. Well, it was a very bad green screen, but very good acting on your parts. Yeah, totally like an S&L's kid. But you guys were so good.

And, you know, we were talking earlier about how Brooke doesn't have the language to cope with how she's feeling. and there's a shared understanding when Brooke needs help because Haley and Peyton are two women who have screwed up and have worked their way or are working their way into forgiveness for their mistakes and into forgiving themselves. And when they see that Brooke needs that, it kind of thaws things between them. and then in the car, the first young person who seems to really be able to admit what she's feeling in this episode is Peyton. And she says, well, I think the reason I've been being such a bitch is because everybody leaves.

Yeah. And you're the only one who's come back and I'm taking out all that anger on you. And I was like, that's beautiful. That's that heart on her sleeve stuff I'm talking about. She's so honest. It was so nice. And it helps. And it helps.

And it helps. Nothing if not honest. Wow. That's a double-edged sword, guys. In my own life, I'm just like, sometimes it's hard to have to not be Peyton Sawyer in real life. Because I think, you know, these were formative years for us. And I was kind of that person anyway that was just like, I'm going to tell you exactly what I fucking think, whether it's good or bad or whatever. And there's a good, obviously, there's like a good part to that too.

But sometimes revisiting our sordid youth and seeing, you know, myself act like Peyton. I'm like, why was I so combative? Like, who we could temper things as an adult. Let's just, we don't have to tell the whole truth. Let's just tell a fraction, a fourth. I like this with Haley and Peyton, too, because I never had a sister growing up, always wanted one, but never did. And I don't know that I had a lot of friendships where I knew how to fight.

that it was okay if you fight, like, it's actually okay and probably healthy. And then you just apologize or, you know, figure out what happened and then find your way back. And you didn't have sisters either, Hillary. Well, neither did you. So, I mean, but so like, I was a part of like a big pack of chicks, though. Like I had the same girls from, you know, sixth grade through graduation and then lived. You did? Oh, yeah. Yeah. My girlfriend's from home were like sisters. You know, and then I went to school and had to live with nine women in the dorm. So I'd had a little bit of practice, but not, you know. No, that's huge.

I never got that. And I always wondered how, go ahead, Sof, what were you going to say? No, I was going to say, that's amazing. I mean, because as a kid, we moved a lot. So I had great friends, but every couple of years, I'd move and then we'd have to sort of start over. Yeah. And my experience, when our shows. started is the friends I'd made in high school did not like it. What? They didn't translate,

huh? Like, it really didn't translate. Oh, no. And it was really ugly and sad. And I have, I have three girlfriends that I've had since middle school, but, like, truly, I don't talk to anyone else I went to high school with. Like, it was, it was, like, pretty cruel. Yeah. And that, experience mixed with like, you know, the stuff we all carry from when we're kids and our little brains don't know how to process things. For me, because I didn't have siblings, fights I learned in my family, especially with like the dysfunction at the sort of level of my grandparents, was that if you fought and people yelled, everything was nuclear. Like, the world was over. So there were things.

in my 20s that I learned to just not say, and I just internalized, like, fear, anxiety, sadness, feeling like the odd man out kind of vibe. And it took me until much later. And it took me until, like, really making, like, the core best friends that, you know, have been in my life for the last 15 years to unlearn some of those things, to have people say, no, you can tell us stuff and we can get in an argument isn't a fight arguing is okay sometimes you have to argue to get to the point sometimes you like sit on the couch and cry and bear your soul and someone cries with you and then you feel better but like arguing is part of communicating sometimes and that has been so powerful but I just I didn't have examples of that as a kid at all that is a

hard to find outside of your family. Because the thing about family is you're stuck with them no matter what. I mean, there's a, you know what I mean? There's a, there's a sort of a safety net there. Obviously, you have to be careful not to abuse that privilege, but there is a safety net there. And I also moved around a lot as a kid. And yeah, and I think, I guess living in big cities too, New York and L.A., I found that that's extra hard because everybody sort of keeps everybody at an arm's length. And so if someone does something that people are like, you know, a friend might be like, I can't believe she did that. I can't believe, uh, whatever, that, that it would, they just stop talking. Like, and I've been, I've been guilty of it too. And I'll,

I'll notice behavior in someone that I'm like becoming friends with. And then I'm like, now I'm just going to distance myself and sometimes that's good but not always sometimes it's worth being like hey do you know that like you actually interrupt me literally every single time that I'm talking and I don't know if you know that you do that not you but you know what I mean I have friends hold on I just got a really self-conscious joy shit those kinds of things that you would never say to people you're just like you know what I'm sick of hanging out this person because all they do is interrupt me and I doesn't occur you know now that I'm getting older and I just have more experience, I start realizing like, oh, some people

just aren't aware that they do it. It doesn't mean that they're a narcissist or they're self-centered or they're like not worthy of being friends. They just, I'm just using this as an example, but you know. Yes. But there's things that instead of working through them, you just move on to a new friend until there's friction and then just move on to somebody else. And because I never had sisters growing up, it's been hard to find girlfriends living in big cities where it, you know, feel safe to just have a big disagreement but still love each other and come right back. One of the reasons why I'm so grateful for what we have here. I just feel terrible. I wish I'd known all this because like when we were kids, we didn't talk about like our upbringings or like the difference between

being an only child or being one of a lot of kids. And so I always fight. And so I can only imagine how awful I was for you guys to experience because I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing about that? You know, like, because for me, I have a feeling for five minutes and then it's over. And then it's just like, okay, what are we singing at karaoke? But I can only imagine how traumatizing that was for you too. And so I'm just like, I'm really sorry. Like I'm feeling really emotional about it.

Because you don't, you don't know. Like I do come at everything like Peyton, like splat. This is the feeling. Okay, move on. I do that more now. I'm way more like that now. But also, what a gift. Like, because yeah, for sure.

There were early times. Like, I totally have a, like, about you and I got in a fight about something. And then, like, everything was different. But isn't it interesting that years later, we realized that he who shall not be named, knew we got in a fight about it. something and then got in both of our ears because he didn't want us to make up and it took us a long

time to get there i mean long is short really and now the grand scheme of things but it's really amazing i think in the way that we all talk about how this has been such a gift for us and it's fun for us and it's ridiculous and it's delicious and it's all these things but we've each separately and together, when asked about this, talked about how healing this is. We've been able to sort of re... It's like we've re-parented our younger selves together and not to be like so woo-woo,

but in the sort of generational tradition of women, like being the ones who collect in the village, we've healed our little village. And I think especially, like Joy and I've talked a lot about this, learning things about how our brains have worked that we didn't know when we were younger to find safety in women when your lack of tools as a young woman made you think, oh, I'm the one who's not safe here. Everyone else has a thing, but I don't have the thing, so I'm just going to hang out over here. And like, I love everybody, but I think everybody

secretly hates me. Everyone's saying bad things about me. Oh, my gosh. Always. To undo that, Like, to scoop that out of your innards and have space for this, like, I wish this for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Moral of the story, kids, just fucking say it. Just say the thing. Communicate. Just say the thing and then move on.

Say the thing. And in fact, it's probably why Peyton and Haley were able to heal their relationship, because for the last five episodes, I guess, since Peyton's been mad at her, Yeah. She's been very direct. I'll tell you exactly why I'm mad at you. And she tells her and then that's it. And Haley's had a couple of things to say about it as well. And even though they didn't resolve it, they were both being honest. And the honesty is so important. So don't be passive aggressive with your friends. Don't be, you know, everything's fine. It's fine. If you say it's fine, it's not fine. It's not fine. If your friend says it's fine, just like push her. No, it's not. Telling the truth. And you know what? I will say, we didn't have this language when we were in high school or 20 year olds pretending to be in high school. One of the most helpful tools that I've learned in recent years is to say, I don't know what your experience is right now, but what I'm experiencing is. What I'm feeling is, am I off base? Or is there something like to just make enough room for someone to realize that the two of you might be having different experiences. But in your vulnerability, your experience is painful. That I have found can be such a key to having a constructive, oh no, this is what I'm thinking. Or yeah, that kind of annoyed me, but I didn't mean to hold on to it or whatever, rather than a, I didn't say that. You know, yes, we fucking did.

And then it turns into it, you know, just give each other a little bit of space. That is such good advice. I heard something kind of similar the other day, not the other day, This is probably like two years ago. The other day. Time is a construct, Joy. We don't know what time is anymore. But it was somebody, and I started incorporating this into my communication, which somebody said, I feel like this is what's happening.

I'm having a desire to commit to an emotion, but I don't, I need information from you. You have to tell me before I can commit to an emotion in this scenario. Wow. I need some info. And it was so great. And I've started using that. And it's great because it gives you a pause. You can just take that beat.

You know, I'm dog sitting for a friend of mine. And the first three nights I was here, another friend of hers came and picked up the dog and took the dog to house and dog sitting. And I eventually, on the third day, I was like, because then I heard, oh, yeah, the dog's going to go to somebody else's house for a couple days. And I was like, do you?

I feel like you don't trust me with your dog. And, um, but you ask, you know, like, so I just, before I commit to how I feel about that and like making up that whole story in my head and what I'm going to do about it, I would really like some information from you. And of course, it was like, no, it's not about you at all. The dog's on the other side of town. It's the easiest way to get her back here. We didn't want to put you out by making you drive all the way out there to get her. And, you know, it's like not about you at all. It's fine. So then I could just relax and release it and I didn't carry it around all day. Like I had been all morning. Like, like, Oh, my gosh, am I like, people don't trust me with their pets. I mean, I know I can be irresponsible, but like, I have dogs. I raised a child. What's going on? I raised a child.

Have you seen my beautiful child? I don't like it. Raised your dog. She's alive. It's okay. That's hilarious, joy. But you know what I mean? Like, just being able to say, I need info.

Before I can commit to an emotion here, I need info. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer, because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls, became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And you and Nathan are communicating so well, because here's the important thing. Your friendships, especially when you're younger, are practice for your long-term relationships and if you want to get married, your marriages, right? And so practicing healthy fighting is in- Marriages.

Honey, come on. So good. Pearl. That's so southern of you. For your engagements, whatever you collect. I understand. The collective marriages. Good.

Or, you know, life is long, you know. Do it everyone. Yeah, baby. But it is, you have to practice with your friends in order to be well exercised in that for your, like, more intense relationships. And Haley's doing that. She's practicing it with her friends and committing to Nathan. And she's not groveling anymore. She's not sad.

She's like so fucking cute in that little outfit. Just that little cheerletting outfit. I loved it. That was fun. I started to, I was happy to be a cheerleader, but I was annoyed that I had to be there on game days now. Because Haley never had to be there on game days except they were like come between like five and eight tonight. and we'll get your shot in. You know, now it was like,

I've got to be there all day long. All day. But it's just so stupid. Those are champagne problems. I mean, they were paying me. I was happy to be there. That scene was so sweet, especially to counter that awful, violent moment

between Dan and Nathan. Yeah. Obviously, he's like, he's scared. He's heartbroken and he walks outside and there you are. And he just says, You waited for me? Oh, it killed me. Like she's a little safe place for him.

She was right at the right moment. She was there. Oh, that was so good. Yeah. I like seeing them come back together and it was very sweet, a little phone call. Yeah, it's good stuff. The immediate phone call was satisfying. Super cute.

Super cute. Yeah, back to that thing with Dan in the locker room. The abuse, that thing. yeah the intense abuse and you said it too when we were watching it can you imagine how embarrassed not just embarrassing is like too light of a word how it's humiliating it's humiliating the shame that would create to have to have your entire team watch you the star basketball player get abused by your father and whitey shows up with the bat whitey came in hot it was so good like chariots of fire and you know it was interesting I had a moment right

when we were watching it go down, because the team had walked in, Whitey was at the door, he was about to talk, and then Dan came in. And when Dan had Nathan up against the locker, I'm going, where's Whitey? And then you see the door swinging behind him

and he's got a bat. And I'm like, God, he's so cool. He just went right to his office to get a baseball bat. I love that man. Just who lets Dan in all these fucking spaces? This man is every, And I wonder sometimes, like, with the scripting of our show, like, at what point they were just like, screw it. We're going to just let them be everywhere. You know, like, doesn't need to make sense. He's at the river court. He's in other people's homes. He just knows how to find everyone all the time. He's a stalker. He can just show up. And you made a point, I think. Joy, you said, you know, who lets parents just walk into the locker room? And now that we're talking about it, I'm realizing, well, we've established.

Dan is a complete narcissist. He's abusive. I mean, the way he's manipulating Deb in this episode, making her read scripts, it's so gross. Of course he would walk right into the locker room because he thinks it belongs to him. Yeah, of course. He thinks everything belongs to him. I still am bothered by the inconsistency of the fact that, let me tell you something, when one of my daughter's friends' parents, follow me so far, when her friend's parents behave

badly um you know something if they yell at one of the kids or if they if there's anything that i hear about it they come i'm sure you do too hillary they come home and they're like so and so's mom or so and so's dad did blah blah blah yeah and you know it's word travels fast and in a small town like tree hill world travels fast so dan walking into a locker room this is being one of the you know this is probably like four hundred and seventy five on the list of things that he's publicly done to his family or anybody else, how are people, how is he still running for mayor and still seem like he's talking at the pep rally. He's like a pillar, a beacon in the community. I don't understand. You know these parents know what's up. Their kids are coming home. Like, you know,

Dan was roughen up Nathan in the locker room today. And, you know, I feel like maybe though that's why there's the moment where Mouth has the video. Because Dan screwed up and he did it in front of everybody. Yeah. So much of the insidious stuff that he does is in quiet. It's in an aside. He gets in your face. He grabs your arm in a weird way.

He does it at home. Narcissists know how to look presentable to people who don't know them. But at home, they're monsters. And he did it in front of everyone and now there's a video. Okay, great point. Great point. It's also worth noting, too, like, I think because we were young when we shot this show and they were older than we were, we just kind of took it for granted, like, yes, of course it makes sense for a 36, not even. They're playing 34-year-olds, because they were supposed to be 18 when Lucas is born and Lucas is only sick.

They're playing, is it even legal for Dan to run for mayor? Don't you have to be 35 or something? Do you know what I mean? It's like the idea. I think that's not the president. So this kind of this idea of reputation, you know, as local politicians or just like local business people get older, you know, scandals come out in your in your 40s and your 50s and your 70s, you know, like whatever. Dan's really, really young. Like maybe the word isn't out there with the voter base because they're not people that he went to school with.

It's people who are like decades older than him. And they just remember like the golden kid on the cover of the local newspaper. paper. You know? The kids he went to school with, no, he's an asshole. But, you know, typically voter base is a little bit older. And they're like, oh, that's that winner. That's that Scott kid. What a winner. Yeah, I bought my car from him. I bought my car from that boy. What an ambitious young man. Yep. Ew. Well, I can't wait to see what happens with this video. I love it. And I hope that Karen doesn't high horse it and be like, I'm above releasing this. I know.

She should release it. I was like she's going to be classy and I wish she wouldn't. No. No, I love a smear campaign because it's the truth. Tell me the truth. Well, Mouth can release it.

Karen doesn't have to have anything to do with it. She can just be like, whatever you do with that is none of my business. Exactly. But I really hope I wake up and see it on the news tomorrow. Well, and also it's a wonderful tool for Deb, who has had Dan dangle this idea.

of freedom over her head. If she's got a video, she can show a judge and be like, this man hurts my child. She doesn't have to play his game anymore. She's got physical proof. This is the bad guy. It's all over for Dan

Scott. Yeah. Oh. You know what I will say, on a high note, whether she releases the video or not, for Karen, Moira played that moment with Karen and Lucas so well but she goes well then it's her loss you know someone

once said to me the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else oh my god I just realized what that meant like yeah was so so cute funny so cute I thought it's more philosophical than that the scenes between Karen and Lucas are so I guess I never clocked him before because I didn't have a kid and now I've got this 12 year old boy with a mustache and I'm watching these interactions between a mom and a son, and I'm like, oh, my God, these are the conversations that I have with Gus. Like, we just watched Breakfast Club. I was just going to ask that.

Is this that you guys really talk? Because I was watching the episode, I'm like, did boys really talk to their mothers that way? Yes, my son, we just watched the Breakfast Club, and he had so many questions. And he was so angry with Judd Nelson's character because he stuck his face in Molly Ringwald's lap under the library table. And Gus was disgusting. And so at the end of the movie, when they end up together, Gus is disgusted. And he's like asking me all of these questions. And like, Jeff thought for sure Gus would be into that character because he's like the edgy one with earring.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No part. Gus wanted no part of that character. Interesting. And so having those conversations about like sexuality and respect and, you know, just kind of like ethics with your child. Gus wanted to, he held my hand the whole time we watched the movie. He just had this little head on my shoulder so I could scratch his hair. Like, I love seeing it in an older boy, you know, like sit down with his mommy and be like,

well, I'm the butt of the joke of all the children's, mom, and just like cop to it, you know? It's not trying to be cool. He's like, Mom, all the girls are being really mean to me, and nobody likes me. And I just want to go to homecoming with somebody. I just want to go paint my door. door black. That was hilarious. Oh, emo. Yes, baby. I can tell by the black door on the side of the house. You got dumped. I see here. You know what I love too is that in a weird way, he also gets mothered by Rachel. Yes. She's like, move on. Get over yourself and get out of my

car. I'm better than this. I was like, yes, girl. You go. I was so happy. The way DeNeil delivered that line the I'm better than that you know she's like you've been using me to make brook jealous that's fine but I'm better than that and I know that she didn't say it in a mean way she didn't say it in a cocky way like denille played that so tonally correct because it was just it was just a young woman correcting a young man in a way that wasn't malicious that he could hear and being like and so we're done with this okay good luck you don't do this to me or anybody yeah yeah it would have been one thing if we made an arrangement, but you don't get to just do this and pretend like we don't know, both know what's going on.

And I liked that she didn't do it in a way of like, I'm better than this. Like you, you were hurting my feelings. She was just like, this is gross. Stop it. I'm not going to tolerate it. It was so adult. Mature. I guess that's why it feels to me a little bit like Karen and Rachel are kind of mirrors for him.

They're both looking at him in this episode, like, grow up. Stop pouting. And it's kind of nice. She's also the one that calls out Chris Keller for being a creep coming into the high school, hitting on teenage girls. It's so gross. We've talked about it so much. Why is this boy hanging around? And even when he walks in, he goes, ooh, three cheerleaders.

It's so, the writers, it's so gross. And she just was like, you're disgusting. You're a pervert. loved. I loved that somebody said it. Somebody had just said. Oh, so you just said the thing. It's like, Dan, is this the episode where the Chris Keller, Dan Scott theory, started? Maybe I know your mother.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Talk about that. Well, apparently this is a fan. There's a big fan theory that Dan was just dropping a little Easter egg, but that Chris Keller is actually Dan's son and Chris is the third Scott brother. I don't personally think that's true. I don't think that's true. I've seen so many fans say that, though.

They're just like Chris Keller is totally one of Dan Scott's kids. He's like a young Dan. He definitely functions like a young Dan. Just showing up random places, walking in wherever he thinks he belongs. Yeah. Picking up, you know, any woman that he sees that he's just like, oh, you, I'll pick on you. It's gross. It's super gross.

And it's, it, Tyler is the only person that I think could have made it work in a way that feels lovable because otherwise it just comes off so sleazy, but. Because he is so, it's still lovable. But yeah. Yeah. He can't help it. Even playing a sleazy character, the pure goodness that is Tyler seeps through. So you're like, God, I love to hate this guy. It's so true.

We were debating while we were watching. We're like, okay, fans, this is going to be our poll for you guys. Who does Tyler look more like Elvis or Chris Isaac? And I just always thought he was such a ringer for Chris Isaac. But you're right. The Elvis thing is very real. I see a lot of Elvis too. Strong Elvis energy.

You know what I want somebody to do? You know how they do those things with couples where they put your faces together and tell you what your children would look like? I would love for somebody to put Elvis and Chris. Chris Isaacs together and see if it's Tyler Hilton. Okay. Yes, I would love that. Somebody's got a project. Good luck, kids.

Somebody has that app. I don't want to download it. I'm lazy, but somebody has it, and they could just tweet it to us, and it would be great. I would love that. Thank you in advance. We appreciate you. I want to see you in advance for your help. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

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You know, we've got Tim being Tim with the Tramp Stamp, which is delicious. We have Gigi being, like, totally infatuated with all the basketball players, which is super. I love her little swoon. She's so cute. And we get to see all the boys, and it's nice to hear their real names announced at the beginning of the game. Because our basketball players were a huge part of it. our show. And they didn't necessarily have lines, but they were important. And so to hear their real names called out over the loudspeaker. And then we've got our Bevan, who is so funny in

this episode with her giving Whitey. Like, this is a play you should do. A genius play. Yeah. Yeah. And then like being the one with Chris Keller that's like, okay, bye, you know. And then she looks at Rachel and goes, Sorry. Right. So good. She's so good. And I mean, I think most of our fan base knows that Bevin recently lost her husband. And she was on our show like, what, two months ago, talking about how wonderfully is and their life that they've built here together in Wilmington.

Yeah. You know, I don't, people can't see us because this is the podcast. But I'm in a hotel room in Wilmington right now. And what I can say is that we've had more time together as a unit in the past, like, like six months. Like all of us, we've seen each other at weddings, at these celebrations of life. You know, like we're all able to interact. The convention coming up too.

We're going to be back in Wilmington. It's, I don't know, the universe putting us together, the gift that we have, that we got to grow up together, and we've got kind of this record of it where we get to, you know, cheer bevan on, you know, in a moment like this and be like, that's our girl. Yeah. It's cool. And being back here with everyone, like you guys, I told you, we saw our director of photography, Peter Kowalski, like Lee Norris drove down. Daniel's here. You know, the magic, I think a lot of the fan base is like, it feels like suspension of belief. It's like this was a magical group of people. This was like a magical experience, a magical show. It feels so weird to be back for the first time post-pandemic. And it's like, It's real, you know? Yeah, it's magic.

It's, like, everyone's out walking the loose. Everyone's, like, going to the brossary for dinner, you know? Like, the magic is just real and the community is real. Yes. For our Drama Queen's fans that have gone to recess, Bevin's business that she built here with her husband, that has been such a gift, and it really means a lot to her. It means a lot to the other girls that work there. And so if you're coming to Wilmington this summer.

Well, if they're coming to Wilmington for the summer or for an anniversary or for any trip at all, like, recess is part of the Drama Queen's scavenger hunt. So just make a plan of taking a class with any of the teachers there. And, yeah, be a part of this community that we all love. Please go support. And you know what? Just like it's so special for us when we meet y'all and you're wearing like a closeover bros hat or a t-shirt with Peyton's art on it, even if spinning is not your thing. Listen, not all of us love cardio. You can pop by recess and say hi and get a hat, get a t-shirt.

You can support the business and you can do that for our girl because it's, I mean, you said it best, Hillary, it's like such a, it's been such a season of reunion for us. And it's so odd to be sort of celebrating the highest of highs and also lifting up our community in most. moments that are the lowest of low. And I think what is so beautiful to watch is that no matter what it is, we're all here. Yeah. Like whether it was puppy piling in the corner with all of you at my wedding or everybody who could flying into Wilmington to hold Bevin, it's like after 20 years, no matter what, no matter what, everybody's there. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's the most, it is the most meaningful stuff.

Like, I couldn't have predicted it in a million years, you guys. Like when we were fucking 20 year olds, like I could never ever have predicted we'd all still be in love with each other in a way that's just kind of, it's wholesome. It's foundational. Yeah.

Yeah. So at some point, the three of us are going to have to do a spin class together. I'm in. I can't wait. Yeah. I will do it for Bevin and I will do it for you. I'm the least coordinated woman on the planet. You've seen the cheerleading dances.

I don't know what you guys want, but we're here for each other, and that's awesome. And we appreciate the fan base also being here for us. And so we'll answer your questions now. Give us the questions. We're fabulous fan base. Let us give you the love. Haley wants to know how did you come up with the name Drama Queens for the podcast, and how did you all come together and decide to do it?

Hillary, were you the one that said drama queens? One of us just, it was like in the pile of names. We were throwing names out. I don't, I don't remember who said it. What were some of the other names we were thinking of? Yeah, we told us. Well, remember we started with Most Likely 2. That's right.

It was originally going to be most likely to. It's the most likely to in the yearbook. And then that actually turned into our wheel. Our most likely 2 is like our spin the wheel. I don't remember. It was one of you two. drama queens is definitely not me i don't remember it was me it was because i was getting made fun of it's like somebody had made fun of me and be like you go into a bunch of drama queens

and i was like you know what drama we're gonna turn a negative into a positive you god damn right we are queens of teen drama watch you i thought so and it just felt so egotistical it was like how many teen dramas are out there and for us to be like no no no no no No, it says. We are the queen. It was so bitchy. It was. But in the funniest,

the funniest way. No, in the best way and it's tongue and cheek and you know what? Everybody made us feel real bad back then and we're taking back

our confidence, God damn it. Also, those behind the scenes of the Teen Choice Awards, we were not beloved and we got picked on. And so... That is...

I've got a chip on my shoulder about it. Well, we were still on Zoom. Like, that's it. That's the name. Oh, my God. I like split screened my computer and I got online and started ordering crowns. I was like, no, we're doing it. I want a crown. We deserve this. You did have tiaras so fast. I ordered so many options. But we went through so many names. We were just spitballing for like a week or two. And then finally, you just said that. And we all were like, oh, that's it. Bingo. Bingo, that's it. Somebody locked down the LLC right now.

That's us. Great. But, yes, Sophia brought us the idea of podcast, because you'd been doing work in progress, and you were like, guys, we can actually, like, work from home and provide, yeah, and, like, make things cool, you know? Yeah. There was a lot of unspoken stuff that fans always kind of tiptoed around at conventions and the Q&A's, and we're like, you know what, let's put out the laundry. Let's just do it. Do it. And there's something, I think what I learned, you know, doing work. in progress is we're so used to doing an interview and they use like a sentence, a soundbite.

Half the time they take shit out of context for a clickbait title. Like it's all just yucky. Yeah. And the length of a podcast allows you to be curious to debate thoughtfully to ask questions. Well, what do you think? What do you think? That's interesting. Maybe this is a reality or an option I'd never thought of.

like it's it's a real life it's like a dinner party yeah and and for us to be able to do that together and and not have somebody be like the girls said and it's like that's actually not what we said we'll tell you what we have to say it's so empowering when it also was so universally like destined um because everything went right on like the first try you know what i mean like joy sat down to write that theme song and sent it to us in like a voice. It was like a little tiny thing. And it was just like, what do you guys think of this? Is this okay? And we're like, is this okay? What are you talking about? This is magic. It's like when God is opening up all the doors, there is just something magical that happens and you just take your hands off of it and watch it go.

And that's what we did. I mean, we showed up to do the work, but we didn't have to push and bang down doors. Not that there isn't a season for that, but it's so. nice when you just see all the doors just opening and you know you're on the right track and everything's working it's a relief being in flow is such an unmistakable feeling and you feel like it's coming through you yeah and it's such a lesson that not everything has to be that brutal climb up the hill with the rock yeah you can just like like you don't have to be a mountain you can be water it's so nice i want to be water where'd you hear that sophia we're water i love it i'm just the river you just send things right on down just send things right to me

i love this and we'll take you on a boat together oh god i am the river oh my god he's writing another country song we're going to get another song you can love this if you don't take us as your date to like the Grammys when you win awards for your country music album? I'm going to be real mad. I agree. I want to go. You're on. Dates.

Dates for life. Tees in my hair. You'll be like, excuse me, I need three seats. Sorry, I'll just sit in one of your laps. I'm not too.

I was going to say, yeah. Okay. Okay, so Jackie wants to know what is the biggest mistake you think your character made? I feel like you're being targeted right now with this Chris Keller thing,

Sophia. I was about to see that in this episode. It's clearly a tough. Jack Keller. Jackie, please. I know. Biggest mistake? It's hard to know because we've only seen up to season in season three. So let's just say, so between like, you know, one and three. What's our biggest mistake?

Web cam. Haley's biggest mistake when Nathan came to say hi to her backstage, her biggest mistake was not saying, I love you. I'm so happy to see you. Don't go anywhere. I'm so confused and freaked out. And I don't know what's going on. I love you to death and I will die if you leave. Just stay. Stay here. I will be right back and help me figure this out.

I need your help. That was her big. If she had said that, I think everything would have changed. Say the thing. You said that earlier. Say the thing. The thing, man.

Is that the title of this episode? Say the thing. Say the thing. Yeah. Yeah, mine's webcam. Kids, don't do that. Like, don't. Yes.

Gross. Guard yourself on the internet, man. You've got to get one of those post-it notes and stick it on those little stickers and stick it on your camera. You know I've got a band-aid on my laptop and on all like that. That's right. Like, somebody's watching. Yeah, we all watch that Edward Snowden movie. We're all freaked out.

Gross. It's all so gross. So, work. Oh, man. I think, I mean, Brooks made a lot of mistakes, but. Felix. Felix. God, sorry.

I can't believe you said that because I was just trying to remember his name. Yeah. Let's, I'd say currently up to season three, episode eight, Felix is probably number one and Chris Keller's probably number two, only because I like Tyler so much. He's lovely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you only, like, and Brooke only slept with him once,

and Felix was like an ongoing thing. She made that choice multiple times. Multiple times. That is like, that is like a relational cutting. Like it really is. Oh my God. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a behavior of self-harm. We don't do that anyone.

Yeah. That's right. All right. We're spinning a wheel. What do we got this week? Oh. Most likely to win big in Vegas. That's a gamble.

That's tough because it's, because it's also. based on luck. Probably Chris Keller. I would lose it off. He would lose it all in the next table. Yeah, Chris Keller for sure. That kid steps in it, you know? Just, you know, he's working out of a record store and Tree Hill and all of a sudden he's

on like a big national tour and, you know. Oh, Chris Keller. But who in real life? I feel like Antoine's always in Vegas, like playing dominoes. Always. I feel like Antoine always has won big in Vegas. So that's for my mind. have. Well, friends, we love you. We're so grateful that you show up for us every week. Please, as a

reminder, show up for Bevin right now. If you're in Wilmington, go visit recess. If you are online, go pick up a hat or a t-shirt or something and, you know, send her some love. And there is also a go-fundie that the family put together. Her husband was such an incredibly accomplished. accomplished man and had a business brain and a creative brain like nobody else. And he did so much amazing work in his own right. He helped her put recess together. And it was something that they did as this family dream. And so the really cool thing about the GoFundMe that so many of us have shared and we'll share it again is that it raises money for a cause that Will was deeply passionate about and we'll go to continuing to help recess as a business as everyone figures

out, you know, what it means to hold that up in his absence. And it's in these moments that, you know, people really need us to kind of be the bridges from one reality to to another. And so there's so many ways to help. And if, you know, taking a class or donating money isn't something you're able to do, even just sending a message of support really means a lot. Yeah. We thank you guys for being a part of our family. Can't wait to see you next week. Love you.

Love you all. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens, O-T-H. Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl

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