Drama Queens - Scripted Reality • EP407

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

The Drama Queens discuss real scandals from their own hometowns, and how they measure up to the drama at Tree Hill High. Which was more outrageous, real life or the scripts? Plus as the ladies watch parents-to-be Haley and Nathan try taking care of kids, Hilarie shares a real-life babysitting experience she’d just as soon forget about!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys, Joy and Sophia just got their lunches and thank God because this episode was lacking in lots of different ways that maybe a sandwich we'll make up for. Yeah, I'm down. Let's see if that happens. All of a sudden, I'm full.

You know, to be fair, actually, I did like this episode. There were a lot of things I liked about it. And it was a bit of a bit of a bridge episode is one of those things that just sort of gets us from point A to point B so we can kind of close up some storylines and open up some new ones. And so, you know, there were some things. There were some two tree things that I didn't really like. But, you know, overall, it was fine. Two tree. Give them the synopsis. Give it to them. All right. Well, you two chew. I'm going to

give it to them. This is season four, episode seven, all these things that I've done. Oh, that's vague. Air date, November 15th, 2006. The synopsis is Rachel makes the cover of Maxim, causing chaos at Tree Hill High. Brooke is still dating the teacher, and she learns he may not have good intentions from Rachel, causing her to decide who to believe. That was a confusing sense. Like that was ever in question. Yeah, I mean, come on.

Meanwhile, Lucas learns of Nathan's dealings with Dante and ultimately has to choose between Nathan and his love for basketball. Haley takes on babysitting only to find herself in over her head and Peyton's half-brother Derek forces her to confront her deepest fears. There's a lot of learning in that synopsis. It's like, Brooke learns this, Nathan learns this, Lucas learns this.

That's a good observation. This is an information trade. Did we learn anything? Nothing we didn't already know, honey. Hey, babe, you know those episodes where the fans are like, quit making fun of the show. You guys are being bitches. Well, kids. Buckle up.

No, are you watching it? There was good stuff. There was good stuff. So let's focus on that. Brooks Fashion Show. Yeah, Brooks Fashion Show. We're back in Brooks 90s rom-com world. It's my favorite.

I'm so happy to see it. I wasn't in love with those clothes, but, you know, whatever, it's the early odds. Nobody was. Listen, you could. That makes them spake. That red dress really had a lot of airtime this episode. Well, it's also funny to me because that red dress is basically a copy of Brooks' season one red party dress. And then Gigi is wearing a red dresser?

It's like, is the only dress-up outfit anyone knows of a red halter-top dress? Is that it? Is that all we got? And why am I having mouth put rhinestones on this girl? And why is America's next top model on our show? I mean, she's lovely. Yeah. But, like, what was happening?

Man, that was Carity English, and I used to hang out with her at our upfront parties because America's next top model was the biggest show on our network. It was such a big deal. And it was a big deal for us to have one of their winners on our show. She was a cute chick. Yeah, they were like, come on our show and just talk to this boy about being a virgin. That's all I need you to do. Just talk to him about over and over and over again about being a virgin.

Nick the teacher is a sexual predator. And then they're like, you know, we should really just even it out. So let's make America's top model a predator too. Guys, I swear, we're not just going to do this. We did this in the last episode. It's okay. We're going to talk about other things. But, you know, it's just hard to avoid.

It's there. It's right there. By the way, we have to talk about it because it keeps happening. And again, it's simply evidence that there were a lot of gross, horny, 45-year-old men in a room writing their creepy man fantasies. Like, bro, I'm sorry. America's next top model

does not want to bang a high school senior. Stop it. Just stop it. It's disgusting. Joy, you said, I actually wrote it down. You said, it's just exhausting how gross it is. I wrote it down, too. It really goes.

It's exhausting. If you're sick of hearing us talk about it, imagine our sick. talking about it. Imagine how sick we were of having to do it all day. Did you guys, okay, let's talk about real life scandal. Did you have real life scandals in your town? He was always in church, wasn't it?

Well, we had that too. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. It's always like somebody involved in like, you know, youth choir. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. There was a, yes, there was a youth group leader at my church. who got involved with one of the students.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. I was on a road trip with my dad, and he was like, look up my best friend from high school. And I did, and his old best friend, it's like a mega church leader back home in Virginia. And the son of this guy was the youth leader. And definitely arrested for fun around with, like, kids.

Like, it's always that thing. It's always that thing. It's always that. You know who I loved recently? I don't know if you guys saw this video on TikTok, this amazing woman. And Joy, I was thinking about you because she's in Tennessee. She went to like some city council meeting in Tennessee and went off. Oh, I saw that chick.

In that, yeah, like in whatever town she lives in, they were trying to pass, you know, a terribly bigoted bill against drag performers. And she, in her like deep southern accent, this woman is my hero, she was like, I have never been assaulted at a drag show, but you know where I have been twice? church and like she just went off on like the whole world it's always in church it's so often in church i know we had like did you have it in high school she was just great yeah because we well i went to a christian high school so there was that still that sort of like that's a double whammy joy for all the well for all the good things that i took away from that in a foundation of faith in my life i mean

that was really important and is incredibly valuable But, you know, the problem with any organization is humans. Oh, yes. Those are complicated. Uh-huh. And inevitably in an environment where you are trying to, where the control of your behavior becomes more important than the authenticity of your spiritual experience, you're going to have people freaking out, acting out because they need to. It's not normal for us to have our behavior controlled like that. Well, and then when you layer money and power, you know, the ability to make laws, the ability to be a tax-free institution and become one of the largest global landowners on Earth, like this stuff gets deeply complicated.

And there's actually a guy who, well, Joy, I know you're off Twitter, but there's a guy who follows us and now I guess just follows me and Hillary. But he responds to a lot of the things we talk about on the podcast. I adore him. And he was actually, I don't know if he was a theology student or a seminary school kid, but he sent me some stuff recently about how there's like full proof that from Aramaic, even, you know, the way the Bible has been like mistranslated for power and access, that Leviticus in original translations said, do not lie with a child. And they can trace when that was changed because the kings who controlled translations, who controlled the book in the first place, made all their money by marrying off their children for land rights. So if you needed to marry your 12-year-old

daughter to somebody's 25-year-old son, so you could increase your kingdom. Try 65-year-old. Yeah, exactly. I was, you know, but it's actually interesting. Were they tree-hill fans, Sophia? We're these kings' treel fans. It's so interesting. It's almost like our boss wanted to be a king. But, you know, there it is. But truly, when you look at that, like, the way that, again, you said it, people are the problem. Humans.

They'll bastardize ideas to accrue power and money. Yeah. Just human nature. We can't get away from it. So, yeah, there's always scandals. But I like your point, Joy, that, like, you were able to direct. arrive, like, really important parts of yourself from that experience while acknowledging, like, yeah, this other shit is awful.

Yeah. Like, in my time, I loved my high school so, so much. I loved it. I'm still friends with all my teachers. I obviously, like, still interact with everyone I grew up with. I go home a lot. I love that about you. I'll tell you what, though, when I moved to New York and I started telling, like, my dorm roommates about

the shit that would happen between teachers and students, they were horrified. They're like, where are you from? And even though that stuff happened at my high school, like, for real, I'm still scandalized by One Tree Hill. I'm still like, they're kissing at the school. Don't they know that you're supposed to meet in a parking lot, like down the road at the safe way? Oh my God. Like, there are rules to scandal that One Tree Hill was not adhering to. Oh, that's a TV show. The rules to scandal. Yeah. They just kissed in the classroom? That's ridiculous.

So stupid. But again, it's like it all comes back, you know, fantasy. To our wannabe kingmaker, to this fantasy. This fantasy that you could have not one but two, like with Brooke and Rachel, two hot cheerleaders throw themselves at you when you're the teacher. And one of them happens to be on the cover of Maxim. And then the cute announcer boy has a model from New York throwing herself at him. I'm like, it's all so insane.

You know, it really pissed me off. Like something that I noticed in this episode, and it just clicked for the first time, is that Lee's entire storyline for the, at least this far into the show, has been him just waiting around for quote-unquote hot girls and then being told he's not attractive enough for whatever this quote-unquote hot girl's thing is. And so now he's got to settle for some. You know, she turns out she's super hot. You know, big surprise, she's all that.

But it's like he thinks he's settling and then realizes it's just so confusing to me that, again, Lee, such a great actor, why isn't he doing anything more than pining after some, he's just chasing girls around for four seasons? Well, and by the way, this idea that you have to do the right thing by being with this insanely hot girl, instead of this insanely hot girl, he won a modeling competition. Like, ew! What a martyr, you guys! What a martyr! It's just so... And this was said in, like, so many behind the scenes, interviews and stuff, but the character of mouth was modeled on our boss.

And so all the girls kind of teasing mouth is our boss being like, all of you girls are teasing me, and, like, we have such a deep connection, you know, all that grossness. And then, of course, he casts, you know, a 14-year-old to come in and play the one that wants him, you know? And, yeah, the nerdy one who's obsessed, because she can't be interesting unless she's, what did you say? She's like, horny. I said she has to be horny or she can't have a personality. Oh, my God.

That's it. It's like, how's Lucas doing? Well, he's 83% at the line, but he's 100% hot. I'm like, why are we making this lovely little funny girl say these things? It's like, it's cute. in and of itself, if it were out of the context of everything else we're talking about, it's cute. That's like a cute thing for a high school girl to say. It's also cute. Knowing the, knowing the ick factor of all of it, it just throws it in with the whole bathwater. But, Joy, it would be cute for Gigi to say to us. Like, wow. And we're all like, oh, my God, wait, what? Like, that's funny among the girls. She is asking mouth out and then drooling over Lucas. It's like, that's weird. Oh, yeah. What world do you live in? It's all just.

so weird and and the hits keep coming it's not even just at the high school stage well i shouldn't say just high school because you know nick's a teacher but it runs all the way up the line to dan scott going to bail deb out of jail going look at all these hoars which one's mine oh the old one like what she's what's supposed to be 30 36 years old and she's described as the old yeah and why are all the women in the tree hill jail in lingerie dressed up like again some guy's

fantasy of a prostitute like what? Is that literally all we exist to be in this show? All skinny women in lingerie who look trashy.

First of all, the prostitutes I know don't dress like that and second of all it's right. We've established this as a small sleepy town.

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What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

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Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's talk about Rick Fox. Wait a second. Is this just Les Mis? Like, is our show turning into Les Mis with, like, all the women working down at the docks?

And we've got Jean Valves. Jean, you know, like Nathan stole the loaf of bread. Yeah. And now he's got to pay for it. That's what's happening. That would, but that would have been way better. It would have been. I wanted a song and dance routine.

That's right. I met Rick Fox only a couple times. He was always really nice to me. I think he was so nice to work with. He was so nice. Yeah, like so tall. So tall. So much taller than anyone who's tall. And he is, he does,

a nice job. Is this his first acting gig? I want to say he'd done some other stuff here and there. He had. I remember. He's so handsome. He's so handsome. And he's lovely. And for as much of a leaping over Shark's storyline as this is, he does have a very calm energy. And there's a groundedness to him that makes him spooky and yeah i i thought you know again for as silly as it is i thought he and james did a really beautiful job of this together you know you can see in that last scene like when they win the game but they've shaved the points like the way that nathan's just hanging his head while everyone celebrating around them you really see saw the impact of it and it was it was cool to see like a whole new storyline for him that was

really interesting and about you know emotional and moral conflict um inside of a silly container but i thought those guys did a really beautiful job and you know what i do remember god as i'm talking about it i'm like picturing the scene again i remember how cute it was to see james and all the basketball boys get so excited when rick fox Oh, yeah, that's right. They were like, oh, my God. And it was really sweet to see them all like puppy dogging around asking him questions about the NBA and stuff. It was cute.

That's true. I think Conrad, the guy who is like, you know, the body man for Rick Fox. What do you say he and Paul knew each other? Like there was a kind of. Oh, yeah, they're friends. Yeah. They're pals. I think basketball buddies, maybe.

It was cool because Paul had always kind of been like the big guy on set. And so now we had this bigger guy on set. And that was fun to watch. Like, just bros, broing out and kind of just feeling out the browness of it all. That's always fun for me to watch. Yeah, the old boys talking about basketball now. Yeah. They had fun.

They had fun. And I think it was important to your point that Rick played the character super calm. Because as unbelievable as this situation is, they made it really believable how easily a naive person could fall into this debt trap yeah

like it just it's like Nathan slipped and whoops here we are yeah totally I think I feel like he loses his scholarship to Duke over this

I could be wrong but that's what's in my memory anyway he didn't have to see I don't remember but Haley's going to Duke well Haley's going to Duke if she can figure

out how to take care of a child. Yeah. Which of the indication is not great considering the two kids that she, well, they're kind of were bratty kids. Where'd you find those kids? But one of them was Barbara Allen Woods' daughter in real life, Natalie Lynde, who is now starring in Big Sky and a bunch of other great TV shows and movies. She's some wonderful actress.

Baby girl works. It was really sweet to see her face or big brown eyes and those freeth. I miss her. She was such a sweetheart. Yeah, that was fun. I remember that was a fun day. And, you know, I don't really like other people's kids. Yeah.

You said that when we were out on tour. You did. By the way, that's why I said when Haley goes, no, I'll like ours. I said, look, it's foreshadowing for you. Exactly. Yeah. I wonder what that. Did you babysit growing up?

Not really. No, I don't, it's not every, it's just, it's just, it's just, um, it's just some people's kids, some people, I don't know. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really nice. I'll take them in small doses. I'm, I love being nice to a kid for like five minutes. That is it's only, you know what, like my, my friends who have kids who I do love or Maria's friends, like she's got, you know, I'm sure you know too, Hill, like, Gus and George probably have friends in their own spaces that you, like, some that you love and, like, some that you love. some that you're like, God, I don't want that little asshole over here ever again. I'm the exact opposite. Really? I love bad kids. Like, love them.

And if I see, like, certain mothers that are struggling, I'm like, please, bring them to my farm. I will win them over. I will hypnotize them. Struggling is a whole different thing than just legitimately raising your kids to be assholes. I like, I like, I like the challenge of a little. a bad kid. It's thrilling to me. You're too busy.

I'm into it. I'm into it. There are a couple examples that I won't say because I don't want any of my friends to like know that they're the ones with the bad kids, but I relish a challenge. It's probably so funny. It explains a lot of my dating life, too. I'm just like, you just give me the complicated little fucker, and I'm going to fix them right up. I'm going to fix them right up.

Yeah. Hypnotize them. I'm going to buy you treats. I love the kids. Like Maria's got some friends who I really, really love. And those kids are like die hard. Like once you're in my heart, you're in. If anything ever happens to you, I will take your kid for the rest of, like I will do whatever.

Like whatever. I love your child. Like my own. But it's few and far between. Maybe that's a, is that like an introvert thing to. Well, also. Yeah. Because you didn't have siblings growing up.

I didn't. But I mean, no, the thing of like, like it's kind of a hard shell. But then once you're in, you're just like fucking you're in forever. Yeah. But it's just hard to get in. I have some my friend's kids who are like that. Anyway, we're really far down the road of off-topics are. No, but the babysitting of it all.

I mean, if, I don't know. So if you did camp. Joy, but did you babysit? No, I didn't really babysat. I babysat a lot. Did you hill? Yeah. How do you think I made my money in Sterling Park?

Dude, I babysat. That was the only way I made any money in, like, junior high and high school. I watched all the kids in the neighborhood. And you didn't really get a choice because it was usually like friends of your parents or parents that saw you on the playground and they're like, hey, you look like you can handle chaos. Do you want to come over? Totally. I relate to those parents so much now. There was a kid I babysat for where any time I was over, you know, it's pre-cell phone because we're that old. And we would get a phone call while I was sitting there babysitting this kid. And it was from the pre-celled. It was like, you have a paid phone call from Virginia Correctional Institute.

And it was their creepy uncle. And he'd be like, oh, is so-and-so there? And I'd be like, no, they're not home right now. I'd be like, you're the babysitter. And it was always like a Dateline episode. And I continued to babysit for this family for years. I'm serious? Yes.

I think you need to check up on that family, hell. Hard pass. No, thank you. Like, those were the bad kids that groomed me to grow up. and have a soft spot for bad kids. Yeah, and they would, look, those kids were bad. They would do things like, they would hide condoms in the house so that their mother thought their dad was cheating on them.

Like, when I'm talking bad, I mean, bad. Oh, that's terrible. Yeah, yeah. What is that? That just feels like a little person who wants to watch the world burn. I'm disconcerted. Yeah. So these kids on One Tree Hill seemed harmless.

Like, what's a spitball? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I also think, like, the wads of just wet toilet paper all over the walls. I'm like, has anybody ever babysat a kid? Do y'all know what kids do? They don't do this.

No. I mean, they'll clog a toilet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, anyway, it seemed like Haley was having fun. Not. I did like her running to Karen, though, at the basketball game. And Karen being like, good luck, kid.

See you later. This is what it is. Not helpful. It was also very sweet to see that, like, redemptive moment, you know, after this struggle for Nathan taking this money and shaving these points and having this guilt at the end of the game, even though they're going to state, that sweet moment where you're watching him with those kids. It was such a nice way to remind the audience what he was doing this for, like what he was

making the mistake for, and it was so, so sweet. That was just purely sweet. Do you guys remember that night? Like, do you remember filming that night? Because I was there. We did everything at that gym at New Hanover High School all in one night. And I remember the three of us hanging back at the other side of the gym talking about how hot James was with the kids. Because it was like Barbara's daughter. So Barbara was there too. We were all hanging out. Everybody was watching going, uh-oh. yeah that was i think that was my first wake-up call like james is hot like i never really clocked for me before because you guys this was the moment where we all were like oh he's not a baby anymore yeah exactly this is this is very uncomfortable

he's a 17 year old he's a big boy yeah like he's holding a baby what's happening all of our all of our wounds just open our boobs start hurting you're like what's going Your ovaries ache. I totally remember that. But by the way, it wasn't just us. I even remember Barbara being like, I don't, I'm uncomfortable. He can babysit. That's my child.

Those are my children? What's happening? Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. Honestly, he should just always have a baby on his hip. You know, that would be cool. James, carry this child around.

We like it. I mean, I guess he's going to have to do that for the next, how many seasons did this go on. Oh, yeah. Believe me. It's coming. Don't you worry. It's coming. So what happened with Peyton in this episode? She was still afraid. Dumb bulldog mural. A bulldog! You guys, it's not right. If anything, we laughed a lot this episode.

We did. You know what I loved that you said, Hillary, guys, for all of our friends at home, we're watching the episode. And that bulldog's on the wall. And Hillary goes, nobody in the writer's room has ever been a teenage girl. No. You're so annoyed about it. But first she went, dork. Dork. Peyton, you dork with your dog over your bed.

The evolution of the dog. All the things that Peyton would have drawn to protect herself. This girl who is like, lives in darkness and makes pain jol and all of these deeply dark. She walks through cemeteries. She's going to draw a fucking bulldog on her, above her bed. And a growlily dog. A bulldog doesn't even protect you in a fight. You know what I mean?

No. Bulldogs can't even breathe. She would have like drawn a spell on her wall or some kind of like, I don't know. A pentagram joy. Just fat little pub dogs who can barely walk. It should have been like bats, you know? That's what I'm saying. That's a rattlesnake.

Oh, yes. How about a wolf? Ooh. Like a wolf at the very least. It's like a little cliche, but okay. I mean, a bulldog grabbed your pant leg And it's just like Oh my god

The evolution of like the bulldog And then I'm like sleeping under it And then I'm like still working on it And then I put Derek's name on a heart On the name tag On the burning color It's really bizarre Why does she do that?

Because Derek's her brother It's real Derek, not psycho Derek Oh, I did not catch that. Okay, the bulldog is dumb as shit. So dumb. So dumb. But I will say I thought you did such a beautiful job in this episode. And for as much as we've been talking about how at the time, you know, in 2006,

we were not doing a good job talking about the reality of the effects of a traumatic event on a young woman. Peyton having panic attacks is finally a real acknowledgement of what she's going through. Yes. And we're finally getting to a point. You know, it's like some dummy. Not only are they dummies about dogs,

but they're dummies about apparently boys. Like some dummy thought that because real Derek is a Marine, all he's going to do is scream at you. Yeah. And eventually that calms down and he apologizes. Like, I feel like we're finally getting somewhere, even though the container has been a little sloppy, you needing to leave school,

showing how triggers around a person can re-ignite their traumatic event. You know, him finally being able to see you and saying, like, tomorrow will be six minutes instead of five. Like, there's a couple of nuggets of good advice and of honest acknowledgement here. And you really, you brought those things to life in a way that made them feel very real. Do you guys- I agree?

I didn't think about it until we just started talking about it. But like, Nathan also just did the panic attack storyline, right? Like the PTSD, I'm freaked out storyline. And- They feel different, though. They feel, well, I just think the importance of writers' rooms and in having variety in your voices in a writer's room would have made a big, difference here because we're recycling storylines over and over again. It's like Rachel hooked up with an older dude. And now Brooke is hooking up with an older dude. Nathan's dealing

with the panic attacks. So now Peyton's dealing with a panic attack. And we're not connecting the dots in a way that facilitates story. Right? It just seems like... Or shows growth. Yeah. It's like at what point would Nathan go to Peyton? You know, Peyton's gone to Nathan a bunch of times and been like, hey, you seem to be falling apart. How can I help? That's not reciprocated yet. Maybe it happens. I don't know.

I guess we'll find out, won't we? But if we're going to repeat things, that has to be for a reason. Make it make sense. I do like that Ernest calms down, though. I didn't like that they made him a yeller because, yeah, be a tough Marine. I'm a man, man. It's just so weird. It's like, why is he yelling at her?

Why is he yelling at this girl? He doesn't even know. And then also, the timeline just got wonky for me because he says that my dad left my mom for Ellie, but he lived with us until I was a little bit younger than you. So, like, if our biological dad left when he was, like, 12, let's say 12 or 13. Is he 12 or 13 years older than Peyton? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's weird.

That's the kind of shit that takes me out of a story where I'm like, the math is wrong, guys. I think we did a lot of that on our show. It's the same thing as the Marine base, like Chad rolling up in the Hummer. The Hummer. Here's what I'll say, though. I follow Ernest on Instagram. He's an artist, and he just had a baby. We need to get him on this show.

I know, I know. We do. I like him so. He's got full white hair now. So I totally believe that we are brother and sister because we are both prematurely gray and just like, I'm good with it. Like, fine. Life has been hard. Yeah.

You know, I loved him on this show because it was such a, he was just a refreshing presence. Yeah, he was a little yelly at first. They had to calm him down and, you know, they had to calm the writing down from directing him to do that, I guess. But he stuck around for a little while. And it's just so nice to see his face Whenever he pops up on screen I mean he's great to look at And he's a nice actor

But I think just the It's just refreshing to get outside of the What we're talking about All the same recycled stuff With all the girls And you know Nathan and Haley are kind of Seems like we're running out of storyline

So You got to be a little flirty this episode With the like Hey you're winning all these games that's hot. I'm going, dude, this is going to be hot. Like, yeah, that was fun. You're blocking what they lacked in the writing for you, you're making up for in the

blocking. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah, and it's fun to see. It's nice to see Nathan and Haley flirting and playful. It's like you want to know what they're holding on to, what they're fighting for. You know, it's

it's lovely that in the midst of even financial stress, you see who this couple is. That's the kind of thing that as an audience member helps you kind of keep the faith alive. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's right.

It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going election. that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the mom.

modern world. Influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word.

one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue projects and Pushkin Industries.

This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who else did, what else did we have in this episode? Deb and the pill, the pill situation. Oh, Deb getting arrested.

Okay, so one time I stayed in New York City in the apartment of, it was like, a friend's friend. And I was shooting a pilot in New York. And I had my daughter and the nanny. And I was like, I just, they're not going to put me up. Like, how are we going to do two rooms? I'm just going to get an Airbnb. Well, as I'm talking, somebody said, I know somebody who's got an apartment. And it was like, it's a gorgeous place on one fifth avenue. So it was like really, for anyone who doesn't know, that's the building that Carrie Bradshaw lived in the, in the, in the sex and the city book. So it's like a, a. I was like, oh, that's so exciting. So stayed there for, we were there for a month. It was great. Anyway, the guy whose apartment it was, or the husband of the wife's apartment, he's a doctor. And he had a prescription pad in the kitchen. And I didn't know, this was like, I don't know, 10 years ago maybe.

No, probably seven. Anyway, I didn't know that you, that prescription pads are special. You thought it was stationary? I literally just thought it was like, you could just write. So I would use it all the time taking notes down on my phone. Oh, no. Leaving little notes when I left the house like, love you, sweetheart. You know, I'll be back at eight tonight, whatever.

Oh, no. Probably 12, 15 pages of this prescription pad. No idea. Why was it just sitting at home? That's so illegal. It was just in a pad. It was like in a drawer in the kitchen. I just was like, I need something to write on.

Opened a drawer. here's some paper it has his like doctor stationary on it i was like great and uh yeah so definitely got a phone call about that after i checked out of that house yeah big problem i mean good thing i wasn't doing what deb did and like trying to actually write fake prescription you're writing like grocery let this be a lesson to all of you uh those prescription pads are counted folks yeah yeah i mean he i'm sure he had to the doctor had to like literally report damaged pages Yeah, probably. Destroyed.

Yeah, I had no idea. Those are things that people, like, I had grew up with zero history or information about the medical community at all. It just was not, my family was a creative and a teaching family, but had nothing to do with medicine. Yeah. So, nobody ever told me. It feels like we have to get dumb shit notarized all the time. Like, they should have to have, like, a stamp on those things. Like, that's serious business.

Yeah. Yeah. Paperwork. Get a stamp. Also, these are the kinds of things that in schools, should be taught. There's like a life skill class missing from every high school in America. Fully agree. By the way, the fact that we have no financial education and we don't have civics anymore. No. Like they literally took civics out of school so people don't understand

how the government works. Yeah. Or investment or just like how to change the filter on your on your air conditioner. How often you're supposed to? The fact that you have to like Google how long are, you know, fill in the blank leftovers good? Like, teach us anything relevant. Right, but I do know that, you know, we had a civil war. I know that we had,

I know 1776, boy, that's just really driven home. It's like, what are we doing? What are we doing? What are we teaching these children? Yeah. Maybe if these kids in Tree Hill had that class, they wouldn't be like kissing the teachers and, you know, having babies and all the craziness.

Is that what Homeck used to be? And then it got canceled because it was supposedly sexist. Well, no. As treasurer of future Homemakers of America, the Sterling Park chapter, it was about the domestic arts, which boys and girls should know, but it targeted, like, the salesmanship was bad. It targeted chicks. Although the boys I knew that did Home Act with me had the best time ever. And they were like the better boyfriends in high school.

Look, I think it's a problem, you know, if you look back. back, yes, we absolutely should never have had a system that was like, only the girls are going to learn to cook and only the boys are going to learn wood shop. The answer was not to take those classes away. The answer was to make everybody take homeback and make everybody take fucking wood shop. Do you know how bad I wish I could build myself an outdoor couch? Do you have any idea how expensive those things are? I don't want to pay for one. I want to build it. I'm so annoyed. Give me a wood shop class. Where's that class on our show? I don't know. know we should have had a woodshop class

wood shop oh and car mechanics yes we called it votech we had we had tech ed and then we had votech for vocational technology that's right yeah there's a big votech um where my husband is from yeah and it's awesome so fun yeah and they're doing um interestingly they're doing a lot of like uh wind powered oh that's great there like engineering for

for wind farms and stuff, which is pretty cool. I love that stuff. Meanwhile, I just want to know how to do anything. Did we ever have any class in Tree Hill except English class? Like, that's definitely the only one I ever remember us being in. Yeah, I don't know. That's funny. We didn't do a whole lot of school.

School. Even though the whole show took place at school. Like, where's like the end of the year report? all have to do with that styrofoam board. Where's my tri-fold board? Maria's doing one right now. She has to build a model of the building that this murder

mister she just read takes place in. Oh, I love that. Or like dioramas. Why are we making dioramas? Where was our book fair? That was my favorite. What about the science fair? The best. Nobody was making like dry ice

and yelling at plants and playing classical music for the other one. Nobody was doing, no, volcanoes, yeah. I loved it. They were not going to pay for, like, a science classroom with, like, beakers. They're like, we can't afford beakers. We're paying for another fashion show. So insane.

We've got rhinestones to buy. Oh, my gosh. We have rhinestones to buy and adorn America's next top model. Where are all the things that normal teenagers do? I don't know. But I will say, I, the teen. bickering again of Brooke and Rachel just makes me so happy

the up and down of these two they're on like a hyper speed seesaw of love and hate with each other and I have so much fun watching them and the the line of all lines in this episode Oh yes yes yes this ruled

Do it do it do it do it You're just a slutty lying liar who lies It yeah Put it on my body Put it on my body. Loved it. Yeah. It's like I want it on a shirt, but I don't because I don't want to call girls sluts.

But, God, I need, like, I don't know if it's a sticker. I don't know what it is, but I need something. Yeah. Well, this was Adele Lim writing this episode, who I really liked. Crazy Rich Asians is Adele. And then I worked with her on Lethal Weapon, which was a nice little. She's so great. She might have been on a white collar, too.

I feel like I've worked with Adele on a number of different things. But she's so good. This one was snappy this episode. Well, the thing is, that's it. It's like we get dorky, dorky storyline, and a good writer will take the dorky storyline and, like, pace it up. And, you know, she had to look at that whiteboard and be like, okay, well, I got to fit this in and I got to fit this in. And I guess we're going to fit this in. Put that bulldog in there.

It'll be great. It keeps the monsters at pay, you guys. And that's your line. She made it make sense. What about, okay, we have to talk about the Dan and Karen and the trick of it all. Because Dan's, with this new haircut, his new Dan, who's making sense here and there. Like, not giving Nathan money and not, you know, not being a total old to Karen and saying, like, no, Deb is incapacitated. like you need to take this business.

Otherwise, it's going to fall apart. Well, it's so complicated when Dan does the right thing because you think it's, it sort of feels like he's handing you a grenade. Mm-hmm. You know? But what was so interesting to me was when we were watching the scene and he was saying to Karen, look, you've got to do this,

regardless of how you feel about me, Deb's a mess. All three of us said, well, I mean, he's right. And then literally 30 seconds later he goes, Karen, regardless of your feelings about me, you know I'm right. And I was like, well, tell me. I'm right. All right. Okay. Yeah. If you just hadn't have said it, it could have been charming.

But he had to announce. Hey there, little woman. Was this the season that Paul got bumped to recurring? Because he's not showing up as much. But he was directing a ton. I think that was the trade-off. Oh, that's right. A lot. Because he directed the cabin. He directed the last episode.

The last episode. So he was in post during this episode. Oh, right. That's why they didn't write him. line. Yeah, so they were writing. He was suddenly, like, not in it very much. Yeah. After being so heavy. And then he's going to direct our fight episode coming up soon, too. Like, he was directing, like, every third episode. What fight episode? The one where I crack Sophia's skull with my head. Oh, you guys have a big. Or my elbow. It was like an accident. It was an accident. What? Well, yeah, we just, we were choreographing, and on one, when we were supposed to, you know, we were supposed to, you know, we were supposed to. to go left.

We moved up left and right. We just kind of... It was bad. It was bad and I was like, Paul, we're done. We're done. Anyway, we'll get there. But Paul was directing lots of big episodes. I think it made sense to have someone in-house that there was a shorthand with, you know?

Yeah. Who could handle the big stuff. Yeah. Okay, what else did we miss? I mean, the creepy teacher is out of the picture now? Are we done now? I don't know. Is he going to be gone?

Is he going to get fired? What happens? I don't remember, guys. He's got to go away. You know, because he's going away in the next episode. Because even when he kissed you at the end, you had this look on your face like, hmm, mm, mm. Well, she caught him with the model in the red dress.

Oh, right. That's right. That happened in the middle and then the model. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the best part of the episode because it was the double slap. The double slap. That's right. I hit him this way and then I hit him this way.

I mean, he deserved it. The double slap. Oh. Oh, God, it made me so happy. Oh, my God. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word. one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit.

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right.

Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, we have a fan question. This is from Tara. She says, my fan question comes from scenes where fights or other violent actions take place. Perfectly timed. Exactly. For example, when Haley slaps Rachel.

or Brooke and Peyton Fight. Do you have to channel some sort of anger or anything to get through that? And even more important, what happens when you hear cut? Do you instantly start laughing? Does it take a second to snap out of it? Well, I feel like our immediate reaction is,

you're good, you good, okay, you're good? Yeah. You know, like there's a check-in that happens. We talked about it in like the Derek attack scene about how Matt Barr was really concerned with like everybody else in the room. Yeah. But I think mostly people are just concerned about the choreography of it.

Yeah. If nobody's like you don't, I mean, that's another level. To be able to have the anger emotions, but control them enough to be able to maintain your choreography. I don't, I don't know that I've ever had to do that. It's hard. It is. It's tricky. I mean, look, you, your job is to personalize what is true for your character.

Yeah, but in action moments when it's like so fast. But what I was going to say is sometimes it's easier to do with your friends and sometimes it's even harder. And yeah, I think the thing that can be helpful, like you've got to get in the feelings, but then yes, you have to be conscious enough in the action to make sure you're safe. And that requires a sort of merger of like the art, the emotion and the technical. And it's, yeah, it's intense.

Yeah, it's hard. I've never had to fight somebody that I didn't like. Like, I don't know how I would do that. Because then you, then you, like, overcompensate and, like, like, I don't want to go too hard because then they'll know I fucking hate them. You know? I'm trying to think of it if I had to fight somebody that I hate. Yeah, I, what a weird thing to have to do.

Just like, I hate you. Just kidding. But I really hate you. Yeah. It would suck. Yeah, I think it's interesting, isn't it, to think about that now and go, oh, yeah, we all only really had to do that with each other. And we had relationships. It would be weird to show up on your, you know, your first day at work and have to fight somebody.

Like, I had to do a lot more of that working in Chicago. Oh, yeah. I would meet people and be like, hey, what's up? So I'm going to break your nose. It was so tremendously awkward But no, you're right I've never I have never had to have a physical fight

With another person Who in life I did not like I have had to kiss multiple people Oh yeah Really grossed me out And I don't know what is worse I honestly I think the kissing is worse Worse for sure

Ugh I can't make up my mind. I can't decide. Sometimes, like, the people that you hate the most, you end up, like, those kisses look the best. Like, oh, that's true. I mean, it's, yeah. Yeah, that's always the best when people are like, God, they have great chemistry. And you're like, oh, that's not chemistry.

That's pure white hot rage. Loathing, unadulterated loathing. Yeah, fine. Kiss me, hit me. I love it. I love those. I love doing stunt stuff. I had to do shit on lethal weapon

where I had to... There's a huge fans that, like, will hold your body up, like you're skydiving. And Clayn Crawford and I had to pretend like we were jumping out of a building that exploded or something crazy.

And you just... You have to run at full speed and then they flip this thing on and it shoots your body up into the air. And you just have to trust it, man. That was crazy. Yeah, it was. It was.

I was a little like, this seemed like fun in theory. Yeah. Scary. I'm going to go back to kissing and crying. Yeah. I remember being, I got to a point where I was like, maybe I don't like stunts as much as I think I do when like I got really hurt,

had to go to the hospital and like get a cat scan and an MRI to make sure I didn't like need to be hospitalized. And then they were like, well, they're clear. So you got to come back to work and finish the day. And I was like, I'm, I can't walk. Um, yeah, okay. And I just went back to work and I was like, I don't know about this anymore. Pass.

Maybe I need to do things a little differently. I want a job like the boys get when they get old, where they just play angry cops and they sit around and they grunt. And then they wear Emmys for it. Where's my? Yeah. Grouchy Cowboys. I could sit on the back of a horse all day and make faces. That's what I'm saying.

I love it. I know. You don't want to spin a wheel? Let's do it. All right, kids. Who is most likely to do TikTok dances with you? Guys, I'm not, I'm not, it's not me. It's not me.

Not it. I mean, I guess Brooke at the time, if TikTok had been out, Brooke probably would have been doing TikTok dances. Yeah, Brooke and Rachel would have crushed TikTok. Yeah. So with those, like, hippie dances those girls do, where they make their hips look like they're made out of, like, ocean water they're so fluid

they're just so fluid how do they do it ocean water yeah but like in real life who's doing them you know what Barbara's daughters Barbara's just gonna say it yes and I feel like

Barbara's good at social media yeah yeah those girls they are always on cool trips hanging out with their tribe of like loved ones having the time of their lives looking gorgeous. Yeah. And it all started being the bratty kids that Haley babysat.

Hey. I love it. Congratulations to our young ladies. We love them. Well, thanks for joining us. Wait, what happens next episode? I really don't know. Guys, next episode, Season 4, episode 8, nothing left to say but goodbye.

They're always so dramatic. Hopefully it's goodbye to creepy teacher next. Yeah. Ew. Ew. All right, guys. All right, I love you guys. Signing off. Love you all. See you next time.

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