Drama Queens - Season One Finale • EP122

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

Cliffhanger of the decade — Haley and Nathan are married?! Lucas and Keith are leaving!? (But not before Keith & Deb get down!) Are Brooke and Peyton friends or frenemies?! And Dan is dying!? The Drama Queens say “I Do” to this Season One Finale… Do all of you!? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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didn't know what show we were all watching, it's One Tree Hill. The episode is called The Games That Play Us and it aired May 11th, 2004. Somebody read a synopsis. Tell us what happens in this episode. Sophia, hit it, sis. Okay, y'all, Lucas and Nathan have to bear Dan's abuse as he coaches them in the playoffs, pushing them both to the breaking point. After Dan threatens her, oh, not cool. Haley reconsiders her relationship with Nathan and Whitey learns that

his medical condition is serious. And something left off the synopsis that feels pretty important is that Lucas is moving to Charleston. Yeah. Hello? Big deal. Really big deal. Didn't this feel like you guys, like they were prepping this for a

series finale? They were like fish. There's no promise that this thing's going to keep going like let's give everyone a happy ending so the happy endings of haley and nathan and deb and keith finally hitting all that powerful energy and finally brook and peyton ending up in bed together like everybody got a happy ending and lucas left town except we left karen in tears and dan may be dying although that might just be his karma that was my favorite you better hope i die i die i know when you As he's like having a heart attack or something, I was like, what's going on?

Something that I thought was really cool as a device is that we basically played this whole moment in time for all of our characters and all of our little worlds in the framework of the playoff game. And so the dialogue would lead from the game back to a scene, from the game to the cemetery, from the game to Peyton's house. And like, I don't know. It was a really cool device. I didn't like it. I liked that. you did it was really confusing to be eventually caught on because i didn't i forgot so i was watching this and i'm like what is happening why do we keep this is all over the place and maybe it was just

wasn't executed perfectly i mean you know god knows when you're shooting a tv series and you're prepping other episodes and you're dealing with lots of other stuff i understand how some you know it's hard to get meticulous of things like that but it confused me until about halfway through i was like, oh, I see what's happening. You know what's funny? I think I was so prepped for the playoff game because the three of us have been like, but the playoffs. Like, Lucas can't move away with Keith.

I know, and Dan. He's got to play in the playoffs. So I was really, really ready for the game. Yeah. Okay, I want to talk about Lucas walking into Dan's office of his own volition and saying, I guess I'm sorry. for resenting you, which I thought was honestly really unrealistic. But the next thing he said, what I really liked, because he was like, I'm sorry for resenting

you for not being there for me. Because I was like, no, well, you shouldn't be apologizing to this guy. Why would you do that? And I guess he's trying to be the bigger person or do that for his own conscience or something. Or just be a 16 year old kid, you know? Or just be 16 year. But that's what I was like, do 16 year old boys really like get that vulnerable and decide to go, whatever?

But the next thing he said was something about, what did he say next? It was like a, it was a different apology, but it made sense. He went in there and he said that thing about, I'm sorry that I resented you for not wanting to be in my life. And I guess I never thanked you for saving me. That's what it was. Yes. I really loved that.

I really appreciated that he was really tying up, trying to make amends, tie up loose ends before he left and just be a better man before he leaves town. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. I liked the parallel also. that Lucas kind of, you know, swallows his pride and chooses to lean into his vulnerability with Dan. And it's echoed as these boys are becoming friends and brothers

later with you and James in the Haley and Nathan moment where he says, you know, my pride would tell me to just say, yeah, that's it and leave. But my heart wants me to tell you that I love you and that I'm not going to give up on us. And you see both of these, I mean, you're right, these 16-year-old boys making very grown-up moves to be honest about how they feel, even though their feelings are complicated.

Well, it was big of him to open up a door for Dan. You know, everybody, it's like so easy to vilify Dan. And if Luke is trying to see the silver lining there, just to be like, hey, in case you wanted to try to be that guy again, that you were at 18 years old, like, here's an opportunity for that. And it gets. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, because we all would love opportunities to go back and fix the thing that we screwed up when we were young and dumb. You know, how many times do we get that chance? And Keith gave that chance to Dan also in this episode when Keith says I'm leaving and, you know, tries to have one last moment of, I don't know, reconciliation or something. Something nice with his brother moment that we just saw with Luke and Nathan, you know? Like, yeah. It would be so nice if they could just hug. Yep. And Dan gives him another snide remark and just can't do it.

Yeah. Dan really stabs at people in this episode. Yeah. For me, the theatrical device of the juicy suits was incredibly powerful this episode because... Deb in that red velvet. No, Haley. At the beginning of the episode. In her own juicy suit. That's how we knew she was about to get down. Oh, my gosh. I forgot about that. That's so funny. Yeah. When Dan comes over, because you were looking. gorgeous when Dan came over like a snack like a snack I almost said it um you were looking like a

beautiful juicy little snack when Dan came to snip at you and so then to see it paralleled later with Barb just like I'm vulnerable too juicy suits are such a powerful thing I feel like we're gonna have drama queen juicy suits y'all better just prep yourselves for it we need to make it happen we need them done we need to DM those people on instagram and figuring yeah well also um dan's story so dan going to deb while she's crying and signing the papers and that whole manipulative story about i was going to leave you that day and yeah for karen how about that super gross but you told me you were pregnant i picked you i picked you over the girl I really loved. So that was our first hint that he really loved Karen, but he went with the girl

with the most money. It was like seemingly how he made his decision. Yeah. The girl who helped him start his car empire. And then, you know what bugged me, though? Okay, it bugged me that after he walked in and found, Dun, Dun, Deb and Keith wrapped up in the blankets at the third place, which was so hot, so hot. I wanted to see more of it. We've been waiting. We've been waiting. all season. Why did they make us not watch that? Why didn't they? I know. Right. They make us like do every lingering kiss ever. We should have gotten at least seven minutes. Seven minutes in heaven with Deb and Keith. I wanted it. And Dan walks in and he sees them. It was so vindicating. And then they both go and try and apologize to him. Why? I was like, man, this guy has got people really wrapped around his finger.

Like, why in the world? He's stolen his brother's company. he, you know, has rubbed it in his face a number of times that Karen doesn't want to be with him. Like every dig, Dan can get in he has. I know. And so I hope Deb had a whirl. I hope she had a great time. I hope Keith had a whirl.

They earned it. You know, they really did. That is a great point, though, why they're apologizing to him. I mean, even it's so hard in that scene we were referencing earlier to see Dan be so cruel to Lucas and say, you know, you're already supposed to be on the court, you know, go run wind sprits. Like, he physically punishes his boy for being

vulnerable. And then when Keith tries to talk to him, this one last chance before he leaves, that, oh, it's such a gut punch when he says, oh, what'd you do with the ring? If you're leaving, you must have proposed to Karen and she said no. I was like, oh, my God. Brutal. Like, why are these people apologizing to this horrible man? But why are they? Like, is that the right thing to do? Like, do we have to continually in our lives apologize to the Dan Scots in the world or at some point. I struggle with this. I really struggle with this because there's a huge part of me that's like, I want to be the better person. I want to, not better like my ego is saying I want to be better than you. No, you're better, Joy. You are better. It's that I want to go to sleep at night knowing

that I've cleaned up any mess that's out there. You know, if I feel like there's a mess and I have any control over cleaning up some part of my portion of it, regardless of what the other person has done or said, my way of living, I try to clean up my mess. So I understand that, but also there is also a codependent thing that kind of goes along with that, that I end up getting taken advantage of a lot, I think, because I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I do tend to, you know, I don't want to be mean. I don't want to step on anybody's toes.

I don't want to assume the worst. And so I do that for long enough that, you know, that. I end up waking up and being like, wait, I'm being totally taken advantage of why have I been allowing this to go on for so long? Who does this to you? I'll fight them. If you have a list, you just pass it along. Oh, God. It's my whole life. And by the way, that's, I'm equally responsible because I allow it to happen. And so that's the question of where, why do Deb and Keith and Lucas and even Nathan sometimes? Like, why do all, what is that about us that, that, that, makes us feel that we need to perpetuate the cycle of like allowing somebody to hurt us

and then we go back and we're the ones to apologize even when they don't. What is that? Yeah. Well, I think you're right though, Joy. Perhaps I think you're right because I see myself in the explanation you just offered. This is part of why one friends. You bastards are dead to me. I hate your face. I need some of those boundaries, Hillary. Yeah. We've been learning boundaries in our adult lives. I certainly think that for me, in trying to learn boundaries, the thing that was the hardest to accept was not everyone deserves the effort. Yeah.

Not everyone deserves you being the bigger person to try to clean up whatever's in the street. Yeah, explaining everything. Because it puts you in a position where you're constantly afraid that it's you, that you're failing, that you're doing something wrong. And really what it takes me back to, and we've all been talking about this dynamic with him that is so well represented on our show, which is probably why it hurts to watch, those are abusive relationships. Those are being in codependent relationships with users or all the way up the ladder to narcissists. And I think that it's like, it's hard to know when your desire. to always figure out why something's happened and learn from it and learn the lesson and

heal from it and make everybody be friends. Like, do you really have to do that with somebody like Dan Scott? I don't know. It's an optimism. It's a level of optimism that's lovely. And I love being around optimistic people. And for me, like as someone who's prone to say you real fast, it is good for me to be around optimistic people.

And I like watching optimistic people. So I like watching the characters in this episode, try, try, try again. And it may work out. I mean, I don't know what the hell happened season 7, 8, 9. So does Dan ever, does he ever circle back? Is all the effort worth something in the end? We're going to find out. I'll find out. I don't know. They will discover it. But we have a lot of optimistic kids here. And I think, I had no idea how many of our signature. moments and signature like lines were packed into this. I forgot too. So many major things. We, well, okay, here, let me, this is one of my favorite quotes of the episode. Keith says to Karen, let someone discover how staggering you are.

Girl, I wrote it down too. Me too, me too. It killed me. Can someone say that to us? And the two of them to, I know, I know. and the two of them together and the way that they this is watching two pro actors go at it because it was so under played they didn't they weren't like they weren't milking it no one was chewing scenery for those of you out there who aren't fespians chewing scenery is like he's like when somebody just kind of takes a very minimal scene and then they literally you know they would nobody actually does this but you're chewing on the scenery like you're just like making it climbing the walls you're making a you're making a you're making a you're making a you're making a a meal out of something that's smaller than that. They just were so simple and dropped into their

bodies and all the eye contact and they could see all the emotion was washing all over them. They just sat there and felt it and then said their lines. And it was so beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. That really was a hard scene to watch because he's like, did you ever love me? And she just can't. She can't say yes. And that's like she let him be her partner for so long. because for her that was enough. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

I don't need somebody to sleep with. I just need somebody to like maybe cook dinner with sometimes. And help. She needed help raising her child's. Yeah. And he. But also talk about allowing things to go on. Like he could have pulled the plug on that at any moment and said,

look, if we're not going to be together, I can't participate in this. But he didn't because he was getting something wonderful out of it too. You know, even though it wasn't romance, there was something else. It was deeper and more meaningful for both of them that they needed. It was intimacy. Yeah. Yeah. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

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What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think it can be complicated for, you know, two people who would theoretically be attracted to each other or date to be best friends. you know, and it's interesting to see the adult version of it because there's so many people that I know and so many conversations we've all had about like, oh, yeah, before I was like young enough to discern and I thought I was supposed to date that person who is my friend, you know? You're engaged to your friend, dude.

You guys were friends for how long before? Yeah, 100%. Didn't see it. I, um, when sometimes you do the opposite. And it's like to see these adults be in. The opposite thing. On so many shows like ours, which is what all of our characters do, like the kids are trying to figure out, who do they love?

Who are they really supposed to be with? And I love seeing the inverse intimacy of Keith and Karen because they love each other so deeply, but they've not crossed that line. They've never given it a shot. And it's almost like it's been so long that for her, her, she can't imagine doing that. And for him, it's been his secret all these years. You know who doesn't have that problem?

Brooke and Peyton, because boy, they loved cutting to that shot of us in the gym. Over and over. Yeah. I did. They did. What was this so much? Guys, we're just making eyes at each other. I'm like, hey, you're still looking at me?

I'm still looking at you. And it just kept going over. and over. It was, was it the same shot over and over again? I think it was the same shot multiple times. They just were like, go back to it. Go back to it. Cut back to Bergen Payton. But then like, we're in the bar together and we're just smiling. And then we're in bed at the end. And we're just smiling. Let's do something great together. I didn't realize how I was looking at you, maybe. And maybe I did realize how I was looking at you. But looking back on it, you know, almost 20 years later, I'm just like, yeah, duh, that is totally a romance.

Yeah. They're just, they're so happy to be back together. And they're so happy. So what you're saying is that episodes ago, you were like, God, Peyton is so gay for Haley. And now Peyton's back to me. Besides, Peyton's open for business. It's like Jake, Lucas, Haley, Brooke. Everybody.

Teenagers are experts at just really. ripping our hearts out and handing them to every single person who looks at us the right way. Love me. Love me. But also that is like a real thing. Like that whole, I used to joke in the last season, Owen Tree Hill when I was like single and like kind of dating around. And I would, we played this game. You know that children's book? Are you my mother? Oh, yeah. So I used to joke like, are you my husband? Are you my husband? Are you my husband? Are you my husband? With like, like, people in bars and things. Hillary, same.

I literally, I told that joke to Jimmy Fallon. I was like, every time I see a man reading on the subway in New York, I'm like, are you It could be. Honestly, it's like, I don't know, because that spark of seeing someone for the first time or that spark of like recognizing someone that maybe you've known for a little while, but you've never looked at that way. That's exciting. And I think that can almost even be addicting, especially to someone like Peyton, who doesn't

have a stable home. And so it's like, are you going to be my fix? Are you going to be my fix? Are you going to be my fix? And Brooke is the ultimate fix. Like, that's the person who's loved her through everything. But I think that's also part of the depth of Brooke and Peyton's bond. Neither of them knows what a healthy adult relationship looks like.

Yeah, there's been nothing modeled for them. And so both of these, right? They've had nothing modeled. And so, of course, these girls get into a messy entanglement. with the same boy. Of course, they love deeply and an entanglement. They, you know, they, they, they, they, and they, and they, and they hurt deeply together because they're two little girls who've never had an adult teach them how things are supposed to go. So they're desperately looking for the, the, the thing that feels like home. Well, they're playing house. You know,

If we can just like, if you have half a house and I have half a house, if we just combine forces, then maybe we'll have like a whole situation. And I, you know, knowing that we were on the bubble and we didn't know whether or not we were going to come back or not, I appreciate that that's the storyline that they chose for us. That it wasn't like one of us ended up with Luke, one of, like I ran off with Jake. It was like, no, this bond is the important end cap to this story. Yeah. But there's a reason why you guys' friendship was just so epic on the show and something that carried so many people through. I mean, I think that your friendship was set an example for so many young women.

And, you know, they, just as much as Nathan and Haley were this iconic couple, I think Brooke and Peyton were the iconic friendship couple of the 2000s. And that shows up all the time in fans. We never got a rain tower joy. Yeah. You guys had another rain? I know. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to leave soon because I'm in Nashville right now. And our skit, you guys, friends out there listening, it's been a real pickle trying to figure out our schedules because we've all got other projects and children and, you know, all these other responsibilities.

And normally it's been so we find time. But this week for some reason, it was just really difficult to get our schedules. So anyway, this was our only kind of time slot to get together. so you get me for the first half hour and then you get these other two for the last. Now we're going to talk about you now. They're going to carry you out. But before I go, I want to talk

about that scene with Nathan and Haley because I Okay, first of all, the rain was so intense. It was like, I was blinking. Like, I could not look up because James is so tall and I just, my eyes, if you look back at the scene, I couldn't even look up at him. I was just like, this pel

of rain like somebody help me diving into my eyeballs um but he looked so great in the rain by the way him looking down with that angle and that jaw and the rain just pouring on his face and he looked more like like a man for the first time oh totally agree right yeah it was great yes i was like i was like baby jane i know i know what happened oh god i remember that day though i remember the scene in the cemetery and I really remembered shooting this episode. Watching this back, I went, oh, I have visceral memories of this. I remember being in the cemetery

and how cold it was that night and trying to, you know, we were just out there so late and it was the first time Chad and I had been able to do a long night scene and just hang out and chat together in a really long time, so that was super fun.

But this, yeah, the speech that Nathan gives Haley about she's clearly threatened by a sexual relationship. It was the one line that really bumped me. Did it bump you guys too or was it just me? Because it wasn't that you were threatened by a sexual relationship. It was that

you were irritated. It was on his computer. Like, bro, you have this on your laptop currently. And also and by the way, they could have chosen you know, our episode aired last week all about the porn.

They could have chosen like websites that didn't sound as like raunchy. as the one to be like some high-end material for Nathan to be into they really did I just it begged me because she wasn't I don't think she was threatened by a sexual relationship what what would be threatened that that's so insulting actually literally Peyton drops her off to that scene I know that was the crazy part for me I was like they're together what oh yeah wait true if you were threatened why am I dropping you off like why are we hanging out yeah like that's That's clearly not it.

And what bugged me about it is it was again going back to the device of like, you shouldn't care about the sex because you have my heart. And I was like, no, it's not about the fact that this is a person who's been sexual. Sure, that can make you feel a little nervous about your own readiness or whatever. But the whole point is that she's upset that there has been a lie about sexual activity that doesn't include her. Yeah, 100%. And this is someone who clearly has a very high view of sex.

She doesn't see it as a commodity to trade or something that is, you know, for her, this is something that she really values and puts a high value in because it really is meaningful to her. And, you know, that's complicated when you're in a relationship with someone who hasn't functioned with sex in that way. And who knows, you know, how things can change for Nathan or how things have changed for him. but I just thought that was really the wrong line to choose. And I remember feeling like, guys, I hate this line. Can't we change it? But it wasn't my line.

So it wasn't up to me. It's so hard to change someone else's dialogue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just had to like, okay, Haley, it's going to forgive him, I guess. I will say props to James because he took some lines that were gross and that device of like, you have my heart that we've been complaining about for weeks.

being like come on like have a real conversation and and he was he was to your point like he brought a man's energy to it he brought his vulnerability to it he he he sort of got over the worst of the dialogue as quickly as possible and leaned into the apologies and into how he wasn't going to be a typical guy who just sat in his pride and said well forget it and and he brought all this other stuff to it. I was really impressed with him. You know, he was 18 years old, like doing that scene. And what a, what a G. Our friend is. He threw away the bad lines. He was like, if I just say him real fast and like, yeah. Yeah. And then he leaned into the good lines. And it was, it was really sweet to watch. Because even though I, you know, I feel for you in that moment, Joy, and like,

I didn't like that either. I still came away from that scene going, I really like that. I like that he chose vulnerability. Yeah. As a teenage boy. Which is realistic, too, by the way, because nobody just changes their mind. And it's rare that someone will change their mind on a dime and everything's going to be perfect all of a sudden. So it's fine that he had to find, you know, that was sort of where he, the line that he could come to to make sense of it to keep moving forward and, you know, give him space to grow, I guess. I don't know. Am I being too generous? I think that makes sense. No, but you ended that scene perfectly. I mean, the will if you have to.

was and it was such a good kiss and then we were in his house and that bra from edge of urge because maybe there was a whole thing about you have to tell the bra story oh my gosh no you guys in my notes i literally have that satin bra in all caps on my notes sheet joy you looked so hot i was like oh no that brought well they wanted me in a regular bra and i was 21 i had never been in a regular bra on tv before i mean now i mean you'd be totally naked i don't have a bra with it but you know whatever i've given birth yeah please i should have no shame left like i'll take all the rolls k winslet doesn't want yeah but i but cool you're like paint me like one of your french girls but back then i you know i was i was definitely really nervous about that and i didn't want to

be in a bra on tv and um so i didn't know what to do and we found this sort of sports bra thing that was satin, so it looked like something Haley would wear. But I do remember filming that scene, and it was, I couldn't wear nipple pads because they would have shown through the satin. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, it was a little cold in there when I went in, and I remember, God, I'm trying to remember exactly what happened, but I know that our director, I specifically was like, listen, I really don't, like, I'm in satin and my nipples are going to show through this.

And I really am uncomfortable with that. Can you please just like shoot above it? Just make sure you're like, or just wait until like it's smooth and it warms up a little in here. And he said, no problem. Absolutely. And then they just fucking did whatever they wanted to do. That's what they shot around it. And I was so upset. I was so upset. Because honestly, I could have chosen a padded bra that at least it would have been like a bikini top, but then I wouldn't have been so exposed, but the fact that you can totally see my nipples through that shirt. They're beautiful. They're beautiful.

Hey, I got great boobs. I'm so happy about them. But I'm so happy about them. That needs to be on a shirt. I'm so happy about them. That's right. But at 21, I was so like, oh, my god, my nipples are a team. Losing my mind.

That's a big deal. But you, but you, but you, you looked so beautiful. and so innocent, but also it was clear this is a girl coming into her own. She's making decisions on her own. Making a decision. And I thought that you played all of that really, really well, you know. And it's iconic for the, you know, canon of the show. It's this episode, you two kissing in the rain and then getting married.

And that carries through the rest of the series. And Lucas has such a good reaction at the end. when I'm like, we got married last night and they dropped the bomb. And Haley and Nathan just like, he-he, like it's cute. They're so cute. But Lucas was like, oh, yeah. You two honestly were so giddy and cute in that scene. So cute.

I remember getting those pages. Do you remember when they gave us the pages were in red? The last like 10 pages of the episode were in red in the script? Yes, because people were leaking our scripts, remember? Yes. they were getting leaked and the red pages with the black ink

couldn't be zero. That's right. Everything would disappear. That's right. So they gave us the end of the episode in red so it wouldn't get leaked onto the internet.

I was in my trailer when I read this and I, when I saw that line Haley was like we got married last night. I busted out of my trailer because James and I shared a trailer and I busted out of my trailer

and I ran and I banged on his door. I was like, did you write the end of this episode? Oh my God. What did he say? He was, I was like, yeah, I can't believe it. This is crazy.

Oh, my God. We could have ended the show and everything was wrapped up. Everything was nice and tidy. You two getting married was the hook where people were like, wait, what? This has to come back. It was very smart. It was very smart. Inquiring minds want to know, how's this marriage going to play out?

Well, girls, you talk about it amongst yourselves. I love you. I'm sorry to go. Are you recording? What are you doing? We want to cheer on whatever you're. you're working on right now. Oh, thank you. I am. You did a show last night. I did a show last night in Nashville. I have some writing sessions and recording stuff that I've been just getting into and

there's just so many schedules to juggle and I had so many of these things already set up and I'm only here for a week. So unfortunately, this is my only time. Give us our new favorite record, Joy. I love you. Hey, talk about how much good music there was in this episode, by the way, because the music in this episode was amazing. So I love you. It was beautiful. Okay, and Brooke was so delicious with all of the stuff with Nikki and I loved their schemes and okay I had too many notes I love you one two three Ravens Nevermore goodbye bye bye I love you it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture it was a huge honor to become a television

writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, Or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone. for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, yeah, we have had like a bonkers week. Um, yeah, what can we say about Joy while she's not here? She'll love that. Oh, my God. You know what I loved? Okay, because the thing I have written under the satin bra in all caps in my notes is, um, I loved Joy chose to play that scene. I saw her do two things. Like they come in from the rain and, and Nathan gets undressed and she has this very beautiful, like, women in reaction to him.

Like she allows her attraction to take her by surprise as Haley. And then she makes a decision. Yes, exactly. I saw her realize that for the first time, because she's been attracted to Nathan as Haley for so long, but for the first time, her attraction didn't make her uncomfortable. And she realized she was ready this time. She had the power in that moment. And that's a lovely way to be in control of your sexuality is when you feel in total control

and you're hungry for it, you know? No one wants to eat a meal when they're not hungry. But if you haven't had anything all day and you're like, you know what? I'm going to eat this entire plate of Nathan. Great. I was expecting you to say a possible for the analogy, but I'm with you. Plate of Nathan. You're like, I'm just going to eat that boy.

Yeah, but here's, my question was, why wasn't Haley cheering at the game? Did I miss something? Like, wasn't she on the squad? I was wondering also, I think she just did the Sparkle Classic with us, and then we convince her to be on the squad for real in the later seasons. Has she not cheered at a game? We're going to need somebody to weigh in on this. I was just like...

I don't think she did. Yeah. I don't think so. I think it was just the Sparkle Classic. Either way, frankly, I was mad. She wasn't down there with us winking and smiling and being cutesy, holding hands. It was interesting to me that they did decide to use the turn and wink to you multiple times. I was like, are we using it as a flashback?

Like, what? Why do we keep repeating this? but I realized, I think they did it not well, as a device to try to lead the audience on the misdirect. Well, let's talk about that. Brooke is going to betray Peyton. Yeah. I mean, that, me knowing what's going to happen,

never bought the misdirect. Are there people out there they did? Like, are there people out there? If you guys really believed that Brooke is going to betray Peyton, you need to send us a note because. Yeah, fans, will you tell us? I didn't buy it for a second. Did we sell that?

I mean, Brooke's a good actress with your purple eye shadow hanging out in the... My God, that was so purple. Good God. As soon as like, as soon as that scene came on, I was like, whoa, that's a choice we made in the makeup trailer. Jesus. That's Brooks. I'm a grown-up and I have a fake ID, eye shadow. Yeah. Don't I look 22?

We used to wear a lot of lilac eye shadow. Maybe it's time for that to come back. Yeah. Honestly, I have a lilac jacket that I like so much. So maybe I should just do a whole... You used to match your makeup with your clothes all the time. Oh, yeah, that was like Kelly Jefferson and I, who y'all know we've talked about,

our wonderful makeup artist on the show, that was a Kelly Jefferson. She was like, I think this girl who's so into fashion but also is a teenager would think it's really cool to match her eye shadow to her outfits. And I was like, I'm obsessed with this. Fantastic. We're getting the note that it's season three

that Haley became a cheerleader because Brooke asked her to join the squad after newcomer Rachel Gatina tries to take over the squad. Hey! All right. One of our favorite redhead. He has such a good team

that helps us with this stuff. You want to talk a little bit about all those scenes between Chad and James because they played so well together. Chad did such a good job. James did such a good job. It's like they had the whole

will they or won't they relationship this whole season. So for them to end up in that space at the River Court in the end, was just, ugh. I was so touched by it because it ran this really beautiful arc of Nathan trying to help Lucas rehab,

them sharing in all of this experience of Dan and him just being so vicious with them as the substitute coach. And then that beautiful night shot on the river court where all of Wilmington's lit up. And Nathan says, I never thought during that first game that I'd be here feeling like this. I'm going to miss you. And when he says, you know, because you're a great basketball player, and they both almost laugh, but they don't. And then he says, and you're my brother.

I cried. I was like, oh, no. I got chili bumps on my arms just you're talking about it. Yeah. Like, I'm actually like teary-eyed again. It really watching them. Lucas and Nathan have that moment. It really got me.

It was beautiful. It's sad to see Lucas's family that he thought he had falling apart. I mean, he had a maternal person and a paternal person, and they're basically splitting up, and he's having to pick which person he's going to go with. And so for him to finally have this new, solid family member who loves his best friend, and who cares about him and who stands up for him

to Dan in the locker room. Like Nathan's whole fight with Dan in the locker room was meow. It was so good. And him calling Dan on being a coward and not being a team player back then. And Dan, like, being so ashamed in front of all those boys.

Tim slinks off. Tim's like, I'm good. I don't want this. He's like, I got to go. This is fine. I have to leave. I mean, that relationship, Nathan and Luke, was something that was fun to watch. Because it's not like, I mean, at that point, were we all hanging out outside of work?

I think by the end of the season, we were all just like working 20-hour days and going home and going to sleep. And so Chad and James's relationship, the way they were able to just come to work and lock into that without, they weren't living together at that point. No. Yeah. It's just, they made it look so. easy just okay we're going to love each other now and their walk and talks are really strong um haley's scene with chad though was for me like the saddest scene where she's like I'm scared what do you mean you're not going to be here and then she starts listing all this stuff that I like

to do she's like who's going to go thrift store shopping with me and who's going to go get dumb records and I'm just like hi it's like me hello we'll pick me Yeah. I mean, I still don't understand Lucas moving away. I don't know why that was part of the, like, I always think there's like a double reason while they do stuff. Was it because Chad was doing a movie? They knew he was doing a movie and they knew they couldn't bring him back right away? I don't really know, but I think he is back right away. I really think that they used that, you know, Haley and Nathan getting married was a cliffhanger. For sure. Lucas going away with Keith was a cliffhanger. By the way, when you said, you know, inquiring minds want to know what's going to happen with this married teenage couple. Inquiring minds want to know who left a serial killer envelope on Peyton's door for Brook and Payton.

Oh, that's right. I was like, what is that? Who left that? And guys, I really don't remember. And so I think that they wanted, with every kind of couplet, they wanted us to have these cliffhangers. Dan's having a heart attack. Deb finds him. Karen and Deb have been at the game together. Oh, and that's so layer, too, because when we first see them,

we don't know that Dan has told Deb this story of, I didn't want to be with you. I was leaving you to go back to Karen. And Deb still chooses to sit with Karen at the game. Yeah. That Dan is coaching. That is some, that's deep drama in a small town. Well, and I almost feel like because him saying that, to her you know she realizes that she's been just as screwed over by him as karen was well yeah because

i mean she talks about the first time she left him how many times have there been do we think i don't know i try how many times is deb almost gotten out i mean yeah so she talks about the first time she tried to leave him and then she gets like suckered back into it and that sinking feeling of knowing i was almost out of this but i came back because i thought you really loved me and now you're telling me this whole time i was pick number two like i could have gotten off without feeling guilty before it's gross it is really yeah well she gets her she gets her payback with the keith of it all why yeah i still i stand by it we got robbed i wanted to see barbara and krecheffer make out so bad, because there was so much chemistry.

Do you think it's like a director's cut somewhere? We got to ask Barb. Like, did they actually shoot a love scene? Did it not make it? Because remember, our scripts were so long. You guys, we would shoot so much stuff that would get cut down. I'd get so pissed. I did a whole storyline once.

There's an episode in season two, I think, that I'm not in. Because I'd shot an entire, like, storyline that was up it from everyone else about me going to hang out with this foster kid and I remember that so aired it wasn't in I'm like we worked for days on this but it was just because we didn't have time and they were like well we just we didn't have time that was always the thing we didn't have time I remember when we did the the in season three the school shooting episode and I I got to shoot this amazing monologue just having a meltdown about you know what all these news reporters were doing when like my best friend was inside and how this was the worst day of our lives and like they were just trying to get

sound bites and they were like yeah we loved it we didn't have time so they put it on the extra scenes on the DVD at the end of the season I was like cool I'm really glad I uh really glad I prepared for that and just left my whole heart on the floor hold on though for like streaming services do they have extra scenes like that we used to have on the DVDs is that a thing oh my god I don't know either I don't know how it could be. Like, do you have to own the DVD in order to get all that bonus footage? Let's talk about Barry a little bit because...

Oh, Barry. The scene that he has when Luke comes to see him, it's clear that, like, he's having more trouble than Luke is having. Luke's doing all the right things. He's going around. He's saying goodbye to everyone. He's being an adult, you know, or as much adult as he can be. And he's trying to write all the wrongs.

and you see this coach who doesn't have any children of his own and who knows what this boy is going through and has watched his trajectory go from like smiling real big like you're going to be great take care of Keith man I love you guys we find out that Keith has like gone to sit with Whitey after every single home game win or lose when when Chad leans in and hugs him and we see his face just crack over Chad's shoulder

and then he has to regroup as Chad pulls back out. They were so good together. Yeah. And Barry, I mean, what a force. Like, man, now as an adult, I'm like, God, I wish I'd just gone to work on all the days Barry was working. And I wasn't. Oh, you should have been with us at Charlie Browns.

He was like a champion, like a nationally ranked champion in like the Jeopardy game that they play in bars. Yeah, the trivia game. Oh, I remember that. I was there for some of those nights. The other thing I noticed, too, is that Barry Corbyn has the most beautiful hands on the planet. Did you see him holding the basketball? And he's got these, like, angelic, soft-looking hands. He does, which doesn't make any sense because he's been like a ranch guy his whole life. What is that? Like, what does he do? Does he go home at night and put Vaseline on him and stick him in socks? What if Barry got manicures on a regular basis? That would be a fun.

that I'd love. I want Barry Corbyn to become a TikTok influencer so badly. Just like teach us stuff, Barry. How do we take care of our hands? And our horses. Hands and horses with Barry. Hands and horses. Done.

Okay. It's the new Bob Ross and I'm so ready for it. You know what was fun too? Speaking of the world of basketball on our show, I got so geeked to see Brendan Kersh. Oh my God, that's right. Tell everyone who Brendan is. Guys, Brendan Kersh, our sweet, sweet basketball coordinator who'd been a basketball coach

who's just the loveliest man, played the like, you know, locker room medic in this episode. And Brendan was with us through the entire course of our show, one of James' best friends, Brendan, Kersh, and Lisa Goldstein, who played Millicent in the later seasons, ended up getting married. Like, isn't it crazy? Like, he's such a, such a good sweet, just like one tree hill guy. I babysat his daughter for like five years. Oh, my God.

I love that, man. And I forgot. This was his first time on camera, and it was so fun to see him. And he, by the way, was a good actor. He did a good job. I was like, oh, my God, Brendan Kirsch can act. You could have had more of this. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Well, we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massac. Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it? make. Yeah, that's right. Lock her up.

Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. As the seasons went on, we got to put more and more of our own personal experiences into the show. And I think by the time we'd reach this episode, we were so sick of just shaking our pom-poms at the games and just going, yeah, cool, get them. chance that we were doing were real chance that I was doing in high school at Parkview. And so when I, I totally forgot that, that we were doing like real cheers that I knew that I was

like, guys, if we do this. And so as we're doing like, let's go Ravens in this episode, in my mind, I'm like, let's go Patriots. And then when we say Ravens, I'm all like confused. I'm just like, hold on a second. My reality is melding here. But it was cool that we could just like say, what are we supposed to be doing here? Oh, I know. Let's just do this. It's super easy, super fast. And to have two different high schools to claim, the other thing that was really weird for me is that Lucas missing the shot is exactly what happened in our state championship game at Parkview High School in football my senior year. No way. We went to states. We had been undefeated for years, like all four years of high school, totally undefeated. We go in the championship game

is on a college field where the goal posts are just a little bit narrower than they are in a high school field. Oh, no. And it came down to a field goal. One point is all we needed. And this sweet, sweet boy who shall remain nameless,

was our kicker. And the ball hit the goalpost. The same way that Lucas's shot hits the rim. And that gut punch, and knowing that that kid just wants to crawl into a hole and die. So I ran across the field and kissed him,

which is usually how I fix things. But no one kissed Lucas. No. He's just... No. He had to go to the locker room and get yelled at by game. But I appreciate that neither Brooke or Peyton felt it was their responsibility, you know? I agree. Nathan taps him on the shoulder.

They're there, pal. And everyone just lets him sit on the floor of the gym. And even Haley's like, you have this feelings. Baby, I got plans tonight. I'm so sorry. She's like, I'm getting married tonight. Everyone thinks I've been talking about sex this whole time, but I'm getting married. That is nuts.

Did you know anybody that was married super young like that? No. Look, we had a lot of chicks have babies in high school. That was really common, but nobody, I don't think anybody was married. She carried a duffel bag to the car. The duffel bag. I was like, where are they going? Are they eloping?

Are they going to Vegas? Like, what's happening? I'm just going to wrap this little dress up. Put in a duffel bag? No one will know. I'm gone. Where are her parents? Well, do you remember that in later seasons, maybe it's in season two, there's like flashbacks

to their wedding and you find out their parents were there? Oh, my God. Her parents were there. Because they had to give them permission. So here's what's crazy. I didn't remember almost any of this episode aside from our, like, like, winky, winky face. Like, I forgot that, that, you know, we did the misdirect and that we plotted the

whole thing to send Nikki across the country together. I feel like I remember us being a blue post, though. Like, I have a sense memory of that. And also. Yeah, but we used to go drinking there. So I don't know when we were working and when, it could have been any Thursday night. Like, I don't know that we were on set. But, yeah, I really remember.

I think because we were all so like, oh my God, they're getting married. I remember so much of the Nathan and Haley marriage storyline. I don't remember any of my own. Yeah, it is bonkers to me that we went with it and stuck with it for years and that it worked. Like, it truly worked and sent a really strange expectation for the rest of the country of like, girl, just marry that kid. It'll be fine. But then I guess Deb must have signed the paperwork too, right? I don't know.

Because if she went to that basketball game, knowing that Nathan was getting married after the basketball game and that she was going to go burn Dan stuff and have sex with Keith. Like, that's a whole bag of weird. That's a lot. But I'm going to have trouble analyzing. Also, I just want to keep going back to our glancing at each other. How come us glancing at each other isn't a meme yet?

Like, I just feel like I need that to be the meme that we, or the gif or whatever the kids call it. Are there gifts? I feel like we deserve gifts. Yeah, of us just looking at each other. Yeah, I also feel like we need, we need more like gift stickers, like in Instagram. Where are all the gifts of our show in those little sticker searches? Oh, I don't know. You know what I mean?

Arts and crafts. Arts and crafts. Young technologically brilliant listeners. Can you help us solve this mystery, please? The greatest line of the whole show besides the one about Karen being staggering. You know what it is. I know what it is. Karen saying the line.

And I didn't remember where it came from because it became such a thing in our show that it was ubiquitous. It was who we were. And to see them, Karen in tears, not wanting to say goodbye to her son and saying there is only one tree hill and it's your home.

Oh, even I was so, I was so just like shot in the heart by it. I took my notes and I capitalized the words that she really emphasized with her intonation, one and home. And I was like, man, this is, oh, it makes me so emotional. Well, and it's the thing that, like, people bring us, you know, things to sign at conventions, and that is always there. And it was really, like, the first time the title of our show made sense.

We'd done a whole. Yeah. Everyone's like, one tree hill. What? Everyone's like, why is it called? they're like if we're going to wrap this up we've got to make sense of this um but but yes it is an iconic line from the show amongst a ton of other iconic material in this episode um you know if it had ended here it could it would have been okay i'm so glad it didn't um but i feel like we were put

in a really like healthy spot that it wasn't like trauma so many of our cliffhangers in later seasons were all about trauma and the cliffhangers here were just really about feelings and well i guess dan's going through some trauma but we don't really care yeah it feels like carmic retribution on dan's part fine fine i don't care let him have a heart attack hey do we have any um do you have any listener questions hit us i think we do um oh man girl this is this is savage christine what's she trying to say here what was your favorite and least favorite season one style can i say everything no girl you rocked a halter top you in a halter top was deadly yeah you know what i did like actually now that now that i'm thinking about it the the night of the boy toy auction brook's little like 60s mom that was super

cute outfit i loved that but like the super low-rise Hawaiian print skirts that have nothing to do with actual Hawaii and like bad tank tops. God, just bury them, please, or burn them or something. Midrift was a really difficult thing to navigate. I have a very long torso. It's an incredibly long torso. No, you're not doing yourself very kindly. You are just very long. You are like a long, lean, elegant person. My belly button doesn't sit where other people's belly button sits. So when you have low-rise things on, the shirt cover. the belly button and all you see is this just like strip of flesh and it's not cute and every other girl had cute little belly buttons with their little piercings and things hanging

out so god midges are so hard we're never going back to that right no no no just although i did i did definitely see some things hitting the inner webs about how like fashion shows now that things are back from COVID like people are doing low right they're like the 90s are back and I'm like not for me absolutely not 1998 or 2004 or whatever they are no you know it was we had those rock and republic genes and they were so low but that's the waist is not what held the pant up it's that the thighs were so tight that the butt they were stuck to you the butt part could be as like open and wiggly as possible it's just the thighs held everything up it was a rough time guys it's it's a it's a no for me yeah i mean okay so your favorite was the 60s thing what did you

like what did you like for peyton obviously we know you're not a fan of the jeans there was a lot of sorting out with Peyton i think in season two i just wear thermal shirts and baby t-shirts the entire season which is not my favorite thing either um yeah i i was uncomfortable so much on this show until Carol showed up in what, season four. I think that's right. Yeah. I kind of, I always, too, because I'm not good at fashion in real life, I was so hesitant to give my opinion on anything

because it was like, well, I don't know. Like, I don't know. You guys tell me what I should be wearing. And as I've gotten older, I've learned that that's not a great idea unless it's you putting me in a power suit. Like, you're the only person that understands that address my body with its long weird torso. to dress your body. Keep that body.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I liked fashion on other people. Joy had so many good looks. Like her clothes, honestly, Haley's clothes were the best. I know they put her in that stupid hat. They made up for it. Mostly her clothes were the best.

Yeah. She had that pretty and pink moment with the party in Nathan's apartment. And the dinner party with Nathan's family was super cute. And her little foxy, juicy soon this episode. Well, and that cute, like, take. top peeking out from that wide about a new top in the last episode I loved that I'd wear that now

I'm telling you she's a time traveler yeah she really knew all right thanks Christine for pointing out our weaknesses I appreciate you we got another question from page she says what was your schedule like when filming and in between filming did you have a break between seasons

and what did you do for fun during that time yeah we have a hiatus after every year. And so if this aired in May, that means we would have shot it in March, ish, April. March, April. Yeah, because we didn't have a long lead time. We would always go till the end of April. So we ended filming, not knowing if we were going to be picked up, because they don't normally pick you up until end of May, beginning of June, you know, like. But then you got to be back at work July 10th, which I know, because it was always two days after my birthday. Hey. So we ended not really knowing what was going to happen.

And it's like, well, do I go and try to book a job? Like, what do I do? What'd you do this summer after season one? Well, it's so hard to try to book a job because most jobs won't take you because your TV show has a thing called first position, meaning they're the ones who basically own you. And so if you get another job

and then your TV show gets picked up, then the job you're working on is just screwed. So it was really hard, it was really hard to find jobs that would fit in that tiny hiatus window of May June. Because nothing gets done before July 9th, because it's the 4th of July in the U.S. So you had to kind of try to find something that would fit in there. And so, yeah, I was like running around, you know, trying to work on little movies and learn stuff. It definitely took me a couple of years, like you were saying, with feedback, with fashion. It took me a couple of years to be like, oh, yeah, I probably shouldn't go do a job just because it shoots in my hiatus if the script isn't that good.

I'm not actually going to learn anything there, but I was like, you know, 20 and I didn't know anything. So I made some really great movies and some that were not so great, but that's just part of the job. Yeah. I mean, the summer after season one, I went and did my very first movie. movie with Jason Ritter and Autumn Reeser and Beth Grant and Allison Janney and Cheryl Heinz. Incredible people. It was like summer camp and it was such an easy chill set and our set had been so spastic that I was just like, wait, what the heck is this?

And like Jason was number one on the call sheet on that movie. What an angel he is. Isn't he a perfect human? He's a perfect human. And he was such a good leader. and I felt like I learned a lot from him just about, like, empathy on set and not knowing what everyone's going through

and making everything real light. Like, he keeps stuff light, but he's still really caring. And so that was a perfect person for me to work with after the chaos of One Tree Hill, because it really was, like, bananas on our set. And that was a safe place to land. Plus, I went to Tennessee where I drank moonshine for the first time. that was pretty cool and we would sing karaoke at the pop-a-top so yeah that's so fun i felt like i picked

those hiatus jobs just based on where they were filming because it was like new orleans you and i both did that we both did new orleans movies just so we could live in new orleans for the summer yeah i was like i want to go there by done um so yeah it was you know i think it was important for us to take breaks because we were shooting a show about school, and we were shooting it kind of during like school year, and then we'd get our summers off. And so I still felt like I was in high school until we were, what, 25? We were following the same cycle. By the way, I still kind of follow that cycle. Like, I do nothing in the summer. It's actually so funny. I remember Joy and I once, we were like sitting around talking one night. We were like,

Isn't it kind of weird? Do you think, do you think, are we like a little emotionally stunted because we were basically in high school until we were 30? Yes. Yes. Does it hold you back? And I was like, I don't know, maybe that's why we feel young and foxy and fabulous. Like, maybe it's a positive thing. But yeah, it was very weird to sort of repeat high school for the decade after high school. I mean, it's crazy. I try to explain, I've got all these like people helping me with the renovation here. like there's house painters and there's like carpenters and things and they're all 25 and I think like hey man we're peers and then I realize I'm the old lady I'm the one they're like hey you're like my mom's age and I'm just cool tell me more kids you're like wow I'm mom's age yeah moms and I are hanging out? You guys like gin blossoms? What else are you into? It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan

going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.

You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it? make. Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazzi, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Baby, you want to spin a wheel. I want to get you to bed. You've been working

so hard. I'm so proud of you. Thanks, boo. I mean, same. I just wish I had a little time off and I can come help you lay some tile at the house. All right. Our superlative wheel, most likely to. to win the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, probably you. You're the advocate of our group. Sophia's like, is there a problem? I'm here to solve it. Check out the hook while my DJ

resolves it. Oh my God. You're perfect. Ice. No, you are a problem solver and you are tenacious and infatigable. And you have already made such a difference

in so many people's lives. I think that's kind of like a no-dah. So you don't get to fight me on that. that's a big duh but you get to pick the person's the character in the show oh gosh just trying to sit here and swallow oh stop you know you are so you're doing more than anybody i was wearing my i'm a voter shirt yesterday today i'm wearing my tyler hilton's shirt like honestly what would i do without our cast to give me clothes i love it i love it the merch is so good um gosh a character on our show, who would most likely win the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, is it weird that Karen comes

to mind? Like, I don't know why. I'm just like, she was the most together person. Gentle. Who was doing things like in the grown-up years? Was there anybody doing anything, like, political or advocacy? We didn't really get into politics. I mean, mouth in the grown-up years becomes a journalist. So probably now. We always have. It's nice. We didn't really get into politics. I mean, mouth in the grown-up years becomes a journalist. Okay. So probably we always make mouth. It's always mouth. But that's because he's perfect.

Like the rest of us are a mess. But, you know, he would, he would probably be our guy. I love it. He would like, he would tell some crazy story. He'd win a Pulitzer and then he'd win a Nobel Peace Prize and all would be right in. He'd uncover some, like, crazy injustice, shine a light on it. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Okay. I'm into that. Don't you think? I'd 100% agree. 100%. Um, I'm excited to come back. for season two. I'm going to level with you. We're going to have to address my hair in season two because I burnt it all off the summer between one and two. So once why I get over that hurdle,

it's an emotional block for me. I can't wait to get into it because season two is bonkers. It's funny. I don't remember season two. Because we were having a really good time. I love you so much. I want you to go get some rest. I want all of you to rest up because season two is going to be a banger. Episode one is the desperate kingdom of love. God, that's... Okay. Let's get desperate, friends.

We love you. We'll get desperate, but in a fun way. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Dramaquins at iHeartRadio.com.

See you next. time we're all about that high school drama girl drama girl all about them high school queens we'll take you for a ride and our comic girl cheering for the right team drama queens drama queens smart girl rough girl fashion but you'll tough girl you could sit with us girl drama queen drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens It may look different, but Native Culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop.

Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. From prologue projects and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.