Drama Queens - Something Old, Something New with Austin Nichols • EP 813

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

It’s Brooke and Julian’s wedding, and Austin reveals the reason behind Julian’s clean-shaven look. Skills takes his role as self-declared wedding security with over-the-top intensity, Haley and Jamie hilariously battle it out for the best speech, and Sophia feels like there was a major scene missing from the reception!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, friends. I am so amped about today's episode, not only because it was such a special one for my character's journey, but because we have one of our favorite guests on the podcast. Hi, Austin. Hi, how are you? Thanks for having me. I'm so glad to see you, bud. How are you doing?

I'm very good. Life is treating me well, very happy. and I'm always happy to come back and do one of these with you guys and see you guys and talk about the show. I know, it's so fun. Rob is here, but had to run upstairs to do a dad thing.

But I think we should just get started. Will you tell the people what episode we're watching? Will you read our synopsis for us? Okay. Season 8, episode 13, the other half of me air date February 1st, 2011. Brooke and Julian's wedding day is finally here. Dreams become reality.

Secrets are revealed, and wedding hookups are inevitable. The director is Greg Prange. The writer is John A. Norris. It's time. Let's get into it. Hi, Rob. Hi. Hello.

Sorry, I had to attend to a... A baby. Small toddler emergency, but guess what? Put the fire out for now. You sure did. let's get into a great episode I loved this sweet opener with Youngbrook

I forgot about it you guys It's so good It's like a film It is and it's such a crazy thing Because as soon as it started I was like oh my God Hiding on the porch because the parents are fighting Oh my God oh in the veil

And it's like it made me remember This whole chunk of the story That for some reason I had just forgotten about Until watching the episode jogged my memory I loved that device. And the like classic car and the bride and the groom by themselves. It's so romantic. And it's like, oh, like what a great core memory.

Like that's it was beautiful, beautifully done. Have we ever met Brooks' dad? Did we ever put a face? Not to this point. Eventually you do. But at this point, he's still sort of this mystery person. Oh, when do we meet your dad or Brooks Dad? I think we meet him in season nine.

Is it not? Or is it later in this season? I don't know. I don't remember. My timelines blurry with that. Yeah. But it was a cool device because not only do you see how the sort of fairy tale of the wedding and the thing is so instrumental, you know, in society and for little girls. But you see why this idea means so much to Brooke because it's sort of parallel.

like she's having one experience on one side of the door while listening to her parents screaming on the other and it's i don't know you get that this little girl wanted the fairy tale she wanted to be rescued she wanted a happy ending not the ending that she grew up in her house watching and it was cool to i think to see that in the programming you get from your parents Yeah. Which is what comes up later when you say to Victoria and you remember what you told me. Mm-hmm. It's like what an interesting genesis moment or not, you know, what's the word?

The inception? Yeah. Like to see that seed sprout in you at a young age and like beauty of this versus my reality with my example. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's really good. And then I love that it, in the same way that we're having. this experience with Brooke as a child, we have the juxtaposition and then the humor is that Julian as a grown man is waking up in a house being like, what is happening? Because he's essentially

a kid, you know? He's a guest in Jamie's house and Jamie's bunny is on his chest and he's just like, what is this? And it's a really funny way to flip it and stay on theme. I didn't realize you were at their house. I just thought maybe Jamie Leath, because of course you can't see Brooke that day. I will say this. There are very few people in this world who can pull off the

under the chin's camera angle. I was thinking the same thing. Austin Nichols, you are one of the few people who can look handsome while having a camera pointed directly under their chin. I appreciate that, but even I was like, what the heck are they doing? And then also I noticed in this episode,

I had like, there was facial hair, but the line was weird and then like at a bad angle and the beard looks like it's up on your face or like there's a line high that's so funny you had obviously just gotten a haircut prior to shooting the wedding scenes

because it didn't look like its usual self it was a bit shorter and you shaved well here's the thing the shaving thing was my idea and I probably shouldn't have done it it was actually it came from the right place It was like, I'm getting married.

And, you know, I think I pitched it and I was said, you know, I think it's like a respect thing to the parents and for photographs and for blah, blah, blah, like a lot of older people think that facial hair is still, you know, little, it's associated with negative things. And so it came from that place. It was like for the old people, for our parents, for photos, blah, blah, blah. But it ended up just looking weird to me because he's never. shaved once for the show and then you know i hate to get into vanity stuff but my hair was weird at the time i was like what was going on but here's why i think it worked because i like you when like you are walking up to skills in chase and like outside the church yeah it's weird because i didn't even realize the fact you were clean shaven but your hair is like a little too short so it looks odd and

And I thought, but you know why that works is because I buy that Julian is excited about his wedding day and he wants to look his best. So I buy that he got a haircut like not a week before, but like a day before his wedding. And they maybe just went a little bit too short. Okay, good. That makes you feel like that. No, I did. I totally know what you mean because it's weird to look at yourself and not feel like you look

like yourself. But it did. it gave you this kind of sheen of earnestness and it did make you look a little bit like a little boy and I mean that in the sweetest way like watching you stand up there and you know watching Julian looking at Paul and Sylvia and when they're fighting over him it it plays into the dynamic of the children we were and the adults we've grown into and I don't know I think it worked that I'm glad to hear that I also I skew dark quickly and can be I play a lot of scoundrels like I play a lot of sort of like fun bad guys so I think sometimes I when I'm playing something like Julian or Julian in the wedding scene I'm conscious of that and wanting to um tamp down some of if there's any darkness and try to make him more yeah I don't know what the word is safe I skew scoundrel is my favorite sentence of the week week. I love that so much. You know what else? I liked. I liked the beat of Julian, Nathan,

and Jamie at the River Court. And especially because you walk up and to your point, you've been such a good sport about Julian's quirks and the weird physical comedy. And then for Nathan to toss you a ball and be like, you got to take a shot if you're on the court. And you just sink a three and walk away. I was like, we love to see it. I mean, I actually, in reference, to what we were talking about earlier with some of the nerdy stuff with the high five or flowers or butterflies, that moment maybe landed so well

because of the earlier stuff. Yeah. It's the shot and he goes in close up like, maybe it's my lucky day. And I was like, oh, it's such a great moment. It's so sweet. It was the payoff of when the good guy finally gets the girl.

Like getting to see Julian just swish a three on the first try. Because as soon as they hit Nathan passed you the ball, I was like, come on. I know. Don't let this be another thing where like he airballs on his wedding day and gets dog. I thought I was going to miss it. And I even shot the scene. And I'm watching the show thinking I'm going to miss and there's going to be a joke.

Yeah. No, but it was so good. And for you to be in that moment, you're so earnest. You're clearly so happy. And it's this very sweet. It's just such a sweet scene with these. three dudes. And then I love that the humor continues to run because Nathan tells Jamie he's got to give a speech and you realize Haley hasn't told him because they're competing. And it is just the

funniest gag to then see Jamie show up with the letter you give him to give to me. And she's like, oh, your dad told you about the speech, did he? The competitive nature. It's great. A mom and it's in someone that young, their son that's that young is hilarious. It's just. It's really, really funny. And it's unexpected because we're used to the Dan Scott, Nathan Scott dynamic of like the dad really pushing the kid. And then here you have like tutor girl ribbing her kid over a speech and being like, what are you going to write about? Are you going to quote literature? Like it's just really, really funny. I loved you committing to the silly Molly Ringwald dance off. You get a gold star for that. You leaned

into it. Thank you. It was, it's a long runner, but that was the thing. I remember when we did it, you know, the scene you and I did, Austin in season six. And they literally brought the movie in. I mean, granted, I've seen The Breakfast Club 10,000 times. It's one of my favorites. But they were like, we want you to do a version of this 80s dance and do it badly. And I was like, oh, man, I guess we're just doing this.

And then, you know, three years later. call it right back great and I got to admit when I watched it today you know she opens the CD and she pulls it out and then she does the dance and it made me emotional I was like there's something cool

about there's something really good in that writing and that's this is what's amazing about television is it you know a couple years later a couple seasons later you bring out a moment of where two people fell for each other is off in this way

It's just really, really satisfying. Yeah. Well, and I think that's one of the reasons we love making TV, right? Like, don't get me wrong. I love to go make a movie. I love the summer camp experience of it. I love, you know, that it takes forever to get a movie greenlit, and then suddenly you go do it, and in three weeks or six weeks, it's over.

But, man, the long payoff in TV, when we get to develop these characters. and yeah, three years later, call back to something and it hits for everybody, even the actors who did it, that's really, I think that's one of the coolest parts of our job. 100%. Long form, like, there's nothing like it. Yeah. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burnfield,

bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

Was it an overblown distraction or a situation? sinister conspiracy. Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of nothing like it, I'm going to go ahead and just give you my honorable mention right now. Antoine Tanner, he came back just red-hawk. He was so damn funny in this episode, man.

The idea of someone committing so hard to this security. I mean, it's just, I was cracking up. I loved it so much. Way to go, Antoine. And him being so committed to it, you know, basically. saying we're not ushers, we're security. He does it all heightened. And he is able to make fun of some of the absurdity of a nine-year-long drama being like, no psychos, no stalkers, no kidnappings, no nannies. He pokes fun at us. So everyone's in on the joke. And then what I didn't see

coming, I also didn't remember this, is that the slutty wedding sex runner turns out to be happening in the limo. And he's like, I also decorated the truck just in case. just in case it got, just in case the limo got stolen and got driven off a bridge, go take you the other car. And then you and I have the exact callback to the couple in the classic car driving down the street in front of Little Brooke. And it's like, man, they just really tied all these things together where like the funniest jokes led to the sweetest moments over and over and over again.

And I didn't see some of them coming and just like hats off to Johnny Norris. as he wrote such a good script. Yeah. And it's so nice to, that they, like, there was redemption for skills behavior. It wasn't just like, he's being silly and over the top. It's like, no, he actually kind of saved the day at the end.

And then to your point, so if it also allowed for the similarity to Young Brooks' experience at the top of the episode. And he was just funny. It was also great to see he and Lee and Steve. even together are a really good trio. Yeah. All of their stuff was just so fun, man.

Yeah. Like, I love that there's a cooler full of milk. Yeah. What a buzzkill. The core gestures in Shakespeare. You know, there's this like Rosencranton, Gildenstern, or, you know, these guys on the side, just crack, just cracking me up throughout. It's really, really well done.

It was nice to see, is this the first time when you've seen Alex and Quinn, like, their friendship because it was great. I love their budding friendship. It started last week in the, in the bachelorette party. And it's so nice, especially to get to see Alex have a dynamic with another woman, because it's not flirtation. It's not all of the sort of obvious hot girl doing sexy whatever with the guys. You get to see this sort of really human side of her and hear what she's going through. And I just think it's so refreshing. And Jana is so, she's so emotionally tender about all this stuff. And it's really nice to see the two of them. Yeah. It was great. I've said this before, but I don't think Alex would have been nearly as successful in the hands of a

different actor. Absolutely. If you can't land that vulnerable sincerity, I just, it doesn't it doesn't give you the same like luxury of going so big with everything else it's like it's those moments that kind of ground everything like early days it's so easy to hate a character like that and then suddenly she'll be so raw and vulnerable and you you're just immediately go oh my god this is a human being who has stuff going on yeah and she's able to really see saw in those moments, like when Quinn asks her if she can keep a secret, and Alex goes on a tangent about this one time, she told her friend Kimmy, she'd keep a secret and then forgot and then told four people and one of them was Kimmy. Like, it is so silly and funny. And it's such a nice way to

break up a moment that Quinn is having with something really heavy and dark. And I think it's part of why I'm having such a good time as a viewer watching them together. Because in a way, it's like, you know, we talked about how Quinn was brought in to be, you know, to fill the kind of Lucas void, like this very, you know, emotional, artistic person. And getting to see her also be silly is really fun. And it gives me like early Lucas and Haley dynamics almost, watching Quinn and Alex now, and I love it. Also, it's funny because the last time I was on, you guys, we were watching a bunch of beautiful women fight in a swimming pool.

And then we're having beer. And it's nice to see two women, like, take care of each other and, you know. Yeah. Yeah, because we caught glimpses of this side of Alex in scenes with Julian. But then the problem was it would always just have a tendency to revert back to some sort of like sexual nature, you know? And with Millie, there was opportunities for vulnerability. There was moments of vulnerability.

But then it would go back to that like, what's up, bitch? Hey, bitch. Like, it would kind of go back to the surface. With Quinn, though, there is neither of those elements. So it's just nice. And I like that she was self-aware enough to go. Because listen, when someone wants to tell a secret, I think the general instinct is to be like, yeah, tell me.

I love that she was self-aware and honest enough to go, I'm actually the last person you should tell. Here's why. That was so endearing, man. It's so cute and funny. And then what I love is because they're having this really endearing, budding friendship when Millie turns out to already be tipsy from the good blue drink from the new bartender. And she sits down and says, well, maybe Chasing Mia are going to have the slutty wedding sex and looks at them.

And, you know, Chantelle looks at Lisa like, what are you doing? And Janelle looks so shocked. And Lisa goes, did I say that out loud? It's just like, you don't, I don't know. It's like everybody's not doing the thing you're expecting their character to do. And it's just hilarious and exactly the word you chose, endearing. And I'm having so much fun watching everybody in the dynamic. Can I say one thing, though, that I actually thought was ridiculous.

And I get why. But it's impossible, I know. to have 100 people dancing at a wedding and have any kind of continuity when you're filming these scenes. But the fact that nobody dances at the wedding, except me and you and then us and the parents drives me nuts. Yeah, where's the party? Where's the dance party? Where is the rager? Like, Brooke and Julian are going to throw a rager and you never see it because it would have been a continuity nightmare. But it's like a thing that sticks out to me like a sore thumb. Okay, the one, yes, I agree with that. I have one I bumped on as well.

And it was towards the end of the reception. It's a room full of giant banquet tables as you do at a wedding. And then there's one random four top that Alex is sitting at by herself, like it's the reject table to then, of course, give a space for Quinn to come and have a heart to heart with her. But I'm like, get the hell out of here. There has never been a foretop at a wedding reception. No. That is so funny. That was in a production meeting.

Like, how can we visually just make her look so sad and alone, even if it's not reality? And, yeah. Yeah. Like, we can't trust the actor to convey she's lonely and sad. So let's put her at a small table by herself. Well, I want to address the dance party thing because that's, that's my one of my issues with television sometimes is time and money and and just getting the script, right? Like, when you get, it's easier in a movie,

but there are shows that where there is a little bit more freedom. Like, say it, Greg Prange was like, we're just going to shoot some dancing. Like, we might cut together a montage and throw a song on it, and it would be so awesome. But in TV, that's really hard to do and get permission to do, even if you're Greg. You know, like, because, what, it's eight days of shooting,

and we got to get all this stuff, and then get out of there. And, you know, that's one thing, like, I've tried to remember now, like, when I just made my movie, it's like, don't get so, like, myopic about this script and what's on the page and our opportunities, even if, like, it's in the moment and you go, hey, just roll. And then 60 people just dance for literally 20 seconds. Yeah. It doesn't take a long time.

and with a few cuts, that could become something. You know what I mean? Like, that's such a TV thing where there's not a lot of room for, especially, you know, like networky, traditional networky stuff. There's not a lot of room for improvisation or an idea popping out at the last second. And going back to the Alex of it all, so the last time we saw Alex and Chase interact, it was that scene at trick in the stock room after like Alex and Mia have bonded.

And it seems that they're both just going to like give up on Chase. Alex follows him into the stock room and then kisses him and is like, hey, I'm still into you, by the way. And then we've never, nothing ever came of that, though. No. Odd, right? I mean, I'm not missing anything, am I? I don't think so. There's been no discussion.

We never saw Alex talk about it. We never saw Chase talk. It just seemed to me like that was about to be the beginning of something. Well, and we've also, remember, we've had this big gap. What did we say it was, like a month or six weeks or something from the story? storm night where Quinn almost dies again, where Brooke dies for two and a half minutes, thank God for Julian. Also, Austin, we talked about like one of our honorable mentions in that episode was absolutely you hulking me out of the water. We were like, oh my God, has anyone ever

looked more like a hero? But like the, we don't want to dwell in the scary, and so we're going to do a time jump, do the bachelorette party. There's all these things that fall through the cracks where you're like, wait a second, I get that we didn't want to stay in the sads, but also in this gap, we've lost the follow-up to some pretty big story points. Because even when this episode started and Alex was saying to Quinn when they were getting set up, well, you know, Chase is going with Mia. And she's like, yeah, just as friends. I'm like, wait, since when? And why would they do that? Like, what was the impetus for them deciding to go on a platonic date to brook and julian's wedding and we have no reason yeah i think that was just a

casualty of an ensemble cast in 42 minutes of content you know it's just there's they can't service everything one couple that did get a the moment they deserved was uh mouth and milly when skills is about to not let million and uh and then mouth goes not she's my girlfriend she can come in i was Like, it's about time we make it official again, you guys. Yeah, freaking cuties. Nice. They are so sweet. I also love Alex being like, well, why don't you go find Melvin and get it on?

Like, she still doesn't know Mouth's name. A couple of things that I thought were so great. Oh, my God, Carol Cutshaw and the wardrobe department crushed for Daphne. She looked like a Chanel model straight off the runway. She gave me that, like, 90s runways. runway Claudia Schiffer energy I was obsessed with her and one of the things

that stood out to me as being so genius and I know we touched on a little bit but I'm curious what you remember is Austin you being sandwiched between Sharon Lawrence and Gregory Harrison bickering at each other yep like and then you take charge you save Quinn

the whole thing is so awkward and you just shut it down I love that scene for a couple reasons One is because they're so funny and they're the center of that scene. And two, because I didn't really have to do anything. I'm just sitting there watching a tennis match. It's so fun. But anytime I got to work with Sharon or Gregory was always so fun.

They were such like just pros and, you know, they've just been at it forever in so many cool movies and shows and felt so lucky to have them play my parents. What a treat. When we're saying our vows and she's crying, I laugh. out loud when he hands her the Kleenex. Yes, I wrote that down too. So good. It's really nice that little shift between them. And it was also so sweet to see the parents all crying.

Yeah. Because we've all had such drama with our parental characters. And it's so adorable that there was just not a dry eye in the house. I loved it. I loved Victoria. I like that we're getting back to the Victoria Brooke dynamic we had at the start of season with her showing up with the with the veil that you caught as a little girl that she had kept all these years I thought that was awesome and then you know at first when your dad wasn't or

brook's dad wasn't showing up and you know she kind of makes her a comment like I wouldn't hold your breath or something I was like ah come on like be supportive of your kid you know you don't need to like toss a dig and but then when she walked back in and was like I'm so sorry you know And then I think Brooks has something effective, like, what are we going to do? And she says, we're going to do what we've always done. And she walks you down the aisle. And then later, when it's the father-daughter dance, Paul dances with you. Yeah, it's so sweet.

I just, I liked to see these faulted parents really stepping up and showing up for their kids today. And I loved that Paul said, well, you're my daughter now. Yeah. And then vulnerably shared about what he looks back on, that he's missed, that he regrets. that he regrets because it's such a nice it's a nice callback again to that fight that Brooke and Paul had years ago

where she tells him like your kid misses you he holds on to this one memory because it's all he's got and in a way he's able to say without saying that what she called him out on shifted his behavior and now he can be there for her too it's so touching

and just it's it's vulnerable as well because he could have just been a hero in that moment he could have just said the cool line but instead he was he was sort of like he was kind of like mining his his past mistakes to help humanize her dad and help brook understand the situation which was just a generous thing to do it wasn't necessary it didn't make him look any better but like i just love that he was willing to like be a peer not like the flaw like the flawless parent he was like yeah man i've i've actually screwed up a ton so you know it was just it was a class it was a good move you know it was integrity which is sort of brooks uh strike zone the whole listen so sweet trains marry me i mean it's got to be like top three all-time wedding songs right if not it's got to be

Because as soon as that song came on, I'm like, well, I'm done. And then that whole montage walking down the aisle was dumb cute. I said this in the Q&A, but like I have never seen any of your stuff from season six. So I was thrilled to get to see stuff. Also, shout out to Austin's high haircut in the back of his hair that I had heard about on this podcast, but never seen until this flashback. But it was all so sweet and so effective. And then you guys. just did such a good job with keeping everything like nothing felt reached for it was all

honest which is all i ever really want to see you know it just felt like it was grounded it was sincere and it was so fun to watch yeah i the token thing with jamie the little half i was kind of like you know in the beginning with the rabbit i was kind of like this feels it feels like it was a little half ass or something but but but then when I'm standing at the altar and I handed to him and I say, I found my other half, it just worked. It made me cry.

And I'm like, why am I being critical of the first scene when that ship works? And when he handed him the token and he said he's looking at his bride at the other end of the church, I got emotional too. It's so good. It was such a good little story about

a little keepsake that reminds you of, you know, this thing you hope for in the future. It was really really beautiful. I like that. I mean, I know it's it's one thing to be the actor who's reading it and preparing for how you're going to sell it. But as just a viewer, I was I was on board from the jump with that. Okay, good. I like it too. It worked in the end. It was only the beginning that it was throwing me. But that was probably just because I was the guy who had to do it. Yes. I loved that they took a moment to have fun at Chase's expense and have

the Chase clone bartender who even did the finger guns and served a blue drink but of course it's like the same way that we emasculate the show attempted to emasculate julian i like the way that it just straight up insulted chase and also it works this drink has just followed him through the years and it's just i mean i wonder if there's another runner through the show that's as as used as much as that one that drink is everywhere oh it still goes because i don't think there's a scene i don't know if it's happened yet actually but i know for a fact If it hasn't, there's a scene coming up where we're at Trick. And I think Nathan goes up first and has a sip of it and he slaps Chase and walks away.

And then moments later, Chase comes up, excuse me, Clay comes up and has a sip and also slaps Chase. I mean, that dude, he gets drugged through the mud over that drink. Tell me, how did you feel about Chase and Mia hooking up in the back? of the wedding limo. Amazing. I was not expecting that. No, I would say, look, you know, the bride may feel differently, but I'm trying to decide if I should share a story here or not.

Share it. There was a time many, many, many moons ago where I made something happen on the premises at wedding. And I talked to other people about it. And it's a thing. People like, it happens. It is a thing. I mean, I'm not saying it happens to every wedding,

but I think it's a thing that happens. And I think it's kind of fun and silly and cute. And of course, you know, you get the like ooze and the gross and all that. But I think if it's, you know, if it's done right, I think it's kind of funny and adorable. It may look different. But native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of ten, they called me a massacist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why. Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare. And frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, can I ask, was it inside or outside this dalliance of yours?

I'll never tell. Dang! You know, I love that you're a gentleman most of the time, but right now, it's really grinding my gears. You know what? You know what I wanted to address was I've been deep in it with my movie with music and trying to get songs. And when I watch television, I can't believe how much money is spent. And the song you mentioned was the train song. And then don't you forget about me, which is, you know, an monster hit song.

I'm sitting here going, that's 40 grand. That's 60 grand. That's 20 grand. Like, I'm going, holy crap. How does the show pay for these every week? I got paid in craft services. That's how they used my salary for good tunes. And listen, if it's going to be simple minds and train,

I'm okay with it for this episode. I'll get paid and fun, Jans. I loved it. Well, you two were so good in this episode. You always are. I've been saying since I started this that I became a big Brulian stand. So it was really nice

to see, especially after what we've been through this season, it's just been so heavy that the Bachelorette Party episode was the pallet cleanser we all needed. And then this just warm feels. There was no cat stuck in a tree. It was just a beautiful wedding with people that we like. It was great. And you two

did such an awesome job. Thank you. It was really, I wrote down and it's going to maybe seem a little bit silly, but watching this, it really felt like I was, I'm watching people I know get what they want. You know, like it genuinely felt like such a happy thing. thing for some people who deserved it and needed it. And it's like, it's an interesting thing to feel that sort of connection to, you know, characters that we made up, because they're not real people, but we played them for so long that they almost feel like they are. And it was, I don't know, it was just nice to see this, to your point, Rob. It was nice to see some warmth and some happiness and some levity after all the very intense drama and violence of the season.

Yeah. Sweet. Also, shout out to Joy's pregnancy glow, which was very real in this episode. The scene where she comes into the bridal room, when it's just the two of you, I paused. I was like, oh, my God, look at the glow on joy, man. And the hair is so good. and, I mean, the dress they put her in was so great. And I even loved, you know, looking back on it, obviously,

because Joy was pregnant with Maria. Like, even the throwaway joke she makes in the morning when she has, like, gorgeous bedhead. And she's like, I'd join you, but I don't want to go into labor on your wedding day. Like, the whole thing works. It's so funny. And she looks so beautiful.

And she was such a trooper. I mean, those were long days. And she hung out and was like, I'm in it to win it. How many months do we think she was then? Oh, gosh, I can't remember. Maybe, I don't know if she would be mad at me. But she gave birth during the season? She did, yeah.

Right, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Then maybe pretty far along. Yeah, she was pretty close. She was probably, I mean, she had to be like seven or eight months at this point. Because I remember, and we talked about this, that when Haley has Lydia, Joy gave birth in the middle of that episode

when we were filming and then had to come back and pick up those scenes and was like absolutely not there's no way I can pretend to give birth on camera now that I've just done it like this is fucked up I can't and that's right and so I don't remember what episode that is

but it's I think it's pretty close I forgot about that yeah and something I loved too that that they did and what a great call of Greg is when Joy's giving Haley's speech that is so funny and sweet and lovely,

she said to me, she says, looking at me, it was in the eyes, and I did this to her at the table, and then she did it back to me. And Greg was like, I love that, do it again. And he very smartly cut it in the opposite order. so you know she says it and then does the thing and then you cut to me and I do the thing and it was this really sweet moment I don't know why joy and I were so deadlocked on each other

and yes it's about Brooke and Haley but it was also so clearly about us and we just had this moment and we did this thing and then I'll never forget Greg running in and being like do it again do it again I love it I love it and it made the show and now it's a thing that people like like you're saying with your high five, Austin, like people will do that to us at conventions and stuff. And it's, you never know what's going to hit. Also,

why he's a smart guy and such a good director? Because when you see those little things that happen, you've got to grab them and it's lightning in a bottle. And like, yeah, those are the things that make something unique and special and good for him. I remember, I have a little behind the scenes moment that I remember from doing this episode

when we were all, you know, anytime you get the whole cast together, it's problems. because we're like kids who have never been allowed to sit next to each other in class and now on the field trip

we're all in the same bus road. Oh, it's a disaster. And so it was me, Coletti, James, Antoine, like all sitting in a pocket, right? And I'll never forget, you guys were up on the altar. So we must have been doing

some sort of establisher or something, but like we were getting close to you. I mean, we must have been shooting like over you on to us because I remember you guys were actually performing. And one of the group, I believe,

I believe Antoine started to doze. It's not because of you guys. It was just, you know, long day, whatever. It's Antoine. You know, he's just funny. He starts to doze. And we started laughing. And then we got quite literally church giggles.

And I remember feeling so bad. Because at one point, so if you turned around and you were like, guys, like, we were totally not helping the situation. And it was one as well as it was like, I am trying to be here for you. But unfortunately, the giggles have taken over. And then it's like, you know how it is? I stop it, but then I hear James snickering and it starts again. Yeah, we love Antoine.

But when anyone starts snoring while you're rolling, it's really hard to not lose it. And to your point, it was such a long day. And the reason it was hard for us up there is because we had one camera doing coverage in a tight shot and a camera at a perpendicular angle shooting a two shot of us with you guys all in the background. So we were doing a wide shot, which is totally inconsequential, at the same time as we were doing our coverage. And it was like, please, please, please. Yeah, and it was hard.

Also, it was towards the end of the day. And this is arguably the most important shot of your two characters so far. It's so important. So it's tough. It's already the end of the day. Energy is waning. And then you have the peanut gallery. You hear a faint snoring and then a bunch of grown man children giggling about it.

Yeah. I mean, the fact, again, that you pulled off that scene so well, kudos to the two of you, but I will never forget that moment where it was like, so if it was like you were the mom going like, you better pull with your shit together. We're at the Sizzler. Yeah, exactly. People are watching. I will not have you behaved this way. But I remember you turning around and being like, guys, and just feeling like fudge, I'm blowing this. See, that would have been a great little thing like at the beginning of the episode, Clay like admits to somebody that he has like a church giggle problem, like a real issue.

Oh. That would have felt very clay as well. I'll hold it in the whole show. It would have been great. Speaking of Clay, I liked that when Quinn admits to stalking Katie, that he just let her off the hook. Yeah.

I'm glad that it's because we haven't even really, we hadn't had a chance to see them, like what their process was of her telling him about that and any of that. But I just appreciate the fact it's like they've been through hell and he's like, I'm glad you're okay. Yeah, well, cool. You know what? It's such a lovely apology scene.

And it's nice that we get to it because it's serious with some humor, as we said earlier, with Quinn and Alex. Especially Alex being like, yeah, you better tell them because there's a chance I might. Like, there's levity. And then when you guys sit together, you're both so dropped in. You're so vulnerable. Chantelle looks so afraid to tell you this thing. And when she does, and you ask why, I loved that they didn't give her some big justified, whatever. She just said, I don't know.

And it was so honest. And you two basically got to sit with each other and look at each other and admit that, yeah, you don't always know what you're doing, but you love each other. And it's so refreshing. yeah there's a good amount of grace there to just go yeah okay like to me it was another one of going like oh yeah that's your person not raking you over the coals it's not a not a whole big thing it's like yeah we both almost died so um let's just okay yeah lesson learned let's move on yeah I loved it I thought you guys were beautiful what are we oh I have a I have a shout out something that I love. And, you know, we got, we got to really craft broken Julian's vows, which I thought

we crushed. And I loved that we managed to get some humor in our scene in so many of these scenes like we've been talking about throughout the episode. I love the moment where we're in the truck and you call me Mrs. Baker and I just call you Mr. Davis and we both laugh. It's like, It's such a perfect button for Brooke to be like, mm-hmm, cute. Also, you. It's so exactly who you are, who Brooke is. It's so good. I loved it.

It was so sweet. It was so sweet. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi.

Nine times out of 10, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.

You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up.

Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We got a question from Lisa. she asks, besides Brooke's father not showing up, there wasn't a dramatic storyline for this wedding. If you got to choose something dramatic to happen at their wedding, what would you want that storyline to be? Oh. It's a good question, but I almost, my immediate reaction is, no, I don't want anything dramatic to happen at the wedding because that skills whole storyline is preventing it. Yeah. My first thought was like the catering gets goofed up.

Like, it has to be something you can live without, you know? Yeah, like, the cold feet thing has been stunned so many millions of times. And, you know, I like Brooke and Julian having a successful great wedding. But if there was something going awry behind the scenes and then somebody else was the hero that fixed it. That would have been fun. Like, if you and I never knew about it, but something was happening in the background. And one of our characters was on this sort of wild goose chase to fix it. and then the wedding goes off without a hitch,

that would have been cute. Maybe Antoine did actually, feels actually did stop the event that was. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. If it wasn't just the truck, there actually was eminent danger that he took care of and told no one about.

Hells go one. He's a silent hero. He walks back into the church. Oh, that would be gold. That would have been nice. Okay. Yes. Yes to that.

Honorable mentions? Definitely Antoine. Same. Yeah. I'm always. also going to give an honorable mention to Lisa Goldstein's bouquet catch because her flying through the air into that still shot from Quinn's camera and then the bouquet coming up into frame just absolute physical comedy gold also to the little girl who played young brook i i just

loved that moment and she did such a great job and you often wonder like where are they now and who is she now you know yeah that would be fun to know It was so good. Well, shout out to you. That young girl grew up to be Jojo Siwa. No. Could you imagine? Oh my gosh.

Should we spin a wheel? Let's do it. What does that mean? You're about to find out, Austin Nichols. It's the most likely to. Oh. Like in a yearbook. Get ready.

Superlative time. Most likely to make friends with a stranger on vacation. Because for the whole cast? Character and cast. mate. Yeah. I mean, I want to say Clay. But no, no, no. No, that's more Rob than Clay. I'd say Julian. Really? Julian? He's so open. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I would say Julian and then I would agree. Me. Yeah. I'm into it. How about you guys? I think you're both correct. It feels like a unanimous vote. We'll take the win. Rob and I'll take a win.

Make down the aisle to the author. Oh, I'm going to write so much more, Julian. Clay fan fiction. What would our couple name be? Would it be Julie? Wait, no, clay. Clulian. Clulian. Clulian? Clulian? Oh, clulian.

Oh, you heard it first, listeners. I like it. Well, I'll try it out both ways. I'll put it in all of my fiction both ways and we'll see which one sounds the best. Well, that wraps it up. Next episode, we got season eight, episode 14, holding out for a hero.

Austin, it's always so good. to see you and talk with you buddy I love you. I love you guys. It's so fun. I miss you. We love you. We miss you. We can't wait to see your movie. Thank you. Okay. Bye, fam. Hey, hey, thanks for listening.

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