Drama Queens - Sparkle Pits • EP 117

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Break open a bottle of wine & join us for dinner while we dish all the Sparkle Classic BTS!Bring it On, Joy! Haley is a Cheerleader and the Drama Queens give you all the behind the scenes from the Sparkle Classic, including the fact that they learned the routines moments before the director yelled Action! This horrified Hilarie who actually was a competitive High School Cheerleader.Questions: Should Deodorant and Glitter go together?! Are Sophia’s sewing skills real? Who is the expert at spacial math?Real life relationship advice from the Queens, shout outs to New Jersey, and as always love for Tree Hill! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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out that this week it is in episode 17 spirit in the night it's the secret sparkle classic and it aired originally April 6th 2004 oh my god we got our show back this week guys yes yes thank god we had so much fun watching this look at this we took notes again we We're so happy. Guys, I texted Brian Greenberg in the middle of the episode. I took a screen grab and I was like, you are a doll, baby. Adorable. I, guys, I loved this episode.

Me too. Was this one of our first field trips? Yeah, I think it was. We took this on the road. Ooh, danger. Mirdle Beach. On the road. Myrtle Beach, baby.

It was fun. It was fun. And Haley got to be a cheerleader for the first time, which was so exciting. The introduction. And the first time Brooke ever called Haley, Haley. Oh, that's right. Oh, my gosh. We also had Lee was involved. You know, their, last episode was the first time that we had seen Antoine in the high school. At school. That's right. And now we're seeing Lee in social settings, which is important. Our secondary characters were a really, like, vital part of our story. Bevan, Tim. Yes, yes. Porte. Poor Teresa. Teresa, Daniela, all our girls, all of the boys on the basketball team. I also will say to everybody at home with us today that there were some very close to spit

takes when Brooke screams, hey, lips, come here. It's mouth, he said. It's mouth. I was like, yeah, yeah. She is such a little tyrant at the opening of this episode. And you learn that it's because she's really leaning into the escape. of the control and the choreography and the project to fix her sadness.

And it's kind of an amazing framework with the cheer competition and with the game for everybody to confront sort of the edges of their comfort, even for Lucas and for Nathan. I mean, God, Lucas seems like himself again. And Lucas and Nathan get into the whole leaning on each other to live.

learn the fade away. We're learning sports terms over here, everybody. Oh, yeah. Sports. There are just good things happening in this episode. And Brooke and Peyton's friendship rekindling and then kind of, I know it was like a little, a little fumbley at the end there still, but I just was so happy to see. I missed it, even for like a couple episodes. I was like, I realized is that we have spoken a number of times about how quickly our characters fall in love and how quickly they like shack up and like you know couple up yeah yeah when other shows do the whole you know like long drawn out thing and i realize that in our show the friendships are the will they or won't they relationships because Lucas and Nathan the whole episode i'm like

are they friends are they not friends and that's been going on what's happening all season you know they've got this shared thing of hating dan but it's will they or won't they And now with Brooke and Payton, it's the same thing. It's will they or won't they? And so I can see why a lot of our fan base has questioned if, like, the true romanticism of the show isn't involved in the friendships, you know? Yeah. That has been something that people have talked about for years. Big time.

Yeah. I actually think, gosh, that's such an interesting. Maybe that's our secret. I think it is, you guys, because when you think about how long it takes all the girls to become friends, the, the, the, the, sort of flip-flopping over the guy for for brook and peyton i think that's why everyone's always gone the relationships are cool but the friendships are what mattered to us because they're they're slow and they're honest yeah oh i like that can i can i as much as i love the seriousness of our friendship conversation can i just steer back into the um sizzling romance of what is

happening in this episode between Karen and Larry? Oh my gosh. Guys! So much sizzle. If we could just make it weirder, that'd be great. It was like, hey, let's do this love triangle

between the kids and then let's have their parents hook up. Like, I just, I get that it's a small town. Like, I fully understand. But the whole incestuous of it, nature of it, just gives me hives. I'm like, oh.

Totally get it. Totally get it. But there were major vibes there. I have to acknowledge. It's pretend. Those aren't our real parents. But it still creeps me out in a way that feels mortifying. Like when they came on the screen and they were flirting, I was like, oh, God, Dad.

What are you doing? Everyone just says, if Clueless did it, if Clueless got away with it, it's okay now. I guess. I will say, I am currently watching season three of sex education. It is my happy show. and there is a whole thing between Otis's mom and Ola's dad and Otis and Ola used to date. And like, this is apparently a dynamic in small towns on television. But I felt that.

I mean, Hillary, I need you to know, like, clearly neither Karen or Larry is one of Brooks' parents. And when that started happening on screen, I was like, what are our parents doing? Yeah, it felt crazy. Because I think that, you know, for us, they really seemed like the, the worldly, know-it-all adults on the set. We're the responsible ones. Yeah. When we were little babies who were messy.

And to see them have like genuine chemistry, which now as adults, we know you can have with your friends, with your coworkers, it doesn't actually have to be romantic. But at the time, it felt really real. And I'm having feelings from them. So I was trying to figure out like the backstory. Because, okay, so we know that Karen was a Treehole Raven cheerleader, which is exciting, like, for her to cop to in this episode. We know...

From a former captain to another, by the way. Karen was the captain. She called it. That's one of those subtle, like, drops. And you're like, I was captain. You know, like, no big deal. But I was captain. She's like, we're the same girl.

I came to check on you because my son's an idiot. And also, to let you know, I'm like you. Well, but we also know from previous episodes that Whitey knows Peyton's mom. because she was a cheerleader. Now, Karen had Lucas at 18, right? And so I have to imagine, you know, Peyton's parents were older. So if they were like, you know, a lot of grades ahead, that means that Larry, Peyton's dad would have potentially also been of the Tree Hill lineage.

And so if they're like class of 88, you know what I mean? Like I'm trying to figure out that would. I wish they had known each other. Wouldn't that have been nice? Yeah, it's like, how do they not know each other in this small town if they all went to the same school unless he's significantly older? I don't know. Well, I wonder if maybe Peyton's mom and Karen were the same age. But then when they went off to college, Peyton's mom met Larry, like, as a freshman, and maybe he was a senior.

And they had Peyton. So Karen knew of him, but never knew him. I don't know. Is that a story point? Did we, the Peyton's mom grew up in Tree Hill? Oh, my, I forgot. Yeah, because remember when Whitey and Peyton are talking at the cemetery, Whitey's like, I knew your mama.

You know, she was, she'd be so proud of you. So I feel like she would, because they were old enough to adopt Peyton, I feel like she would have been a little bit older than Karen. Ellie. But that kind of makes Larry sexy. He's like an older alumni as opposed to Keith, who she's grown up with, you know? Keith is like, I just completely ignored the reality of our show and started writing a rom-com. I was like, they met in college.

They had a baby. I'm like, Peyton is adopted. Like, I really went for it. But I actually think there's something really, there's something really interesting there of a familiarity. But then also when you lose people,

when you move on. And because Larry's always gone, he's always out on a boat. Like, he's back to be with Peyton now. She's 16. He doesn't want to miss anything. Karen just went away and doesn't want to miss anymore.

I wonder if they're connecting. on some moment in their lives. I don't like it. It's gross. I thought it was cute. It still makes me feel like a kid, you guys. Like when we watch it, I'm just grossed out. I don't like it.

There's also, there's something really cool that happens with Karen that isn't romantic, but that is deeply tender at the beginning of the episode with Deb and Karen at the cafe. And she's like, sweetheart, you have to stop cleaning the counter. So I get that you're stressed. And you realize that in the last episode where we were in the upside down and everything was awful. In the upside down. We were in the upside down.

It was bad. But Karen said to Deb, like, why don't we be partners? And Deb said, I can't. It seems as though now they are. And Deb is, you know, confessing her fear and her heartbreak to Karen who just says, your son's going to forgive you. You're a good person. Yeah.

I liked that moment. those are important moments for us to see and I you know I don't know what Karen's basing her whole you he'll forgive you thing you know it feels like foreshadowing in a way like has Karen does something that Lucas is going to get mad about like you know what I mean um I I don't know I feel like it was just like a device like there was they needed to have a character who's had a sane voice it feels weird that that Deb doesn't have a world of her own. That's what it feels weird to me, is that she's confessing everything into her ex's ex.

And, like, Deb has been a successful businesswoman. Yeah. Why doesn't she have a world of her own? Why doesn't she have friends? We are taking a turn with Deb because she, when we started out, remember how impressed we were with her boundaries, with her sense of self, her sense of worth and identity. And all this stuff in spite of being married to this man who's clearly abusive to her in so many ways. How did the turn happen? How are we...

You know why I feel like it's happening? Because in the world of the show, Debs' world has been outside of Tree Hill. She travels for work. She has a big job. She works with nonprofits. Out, out, out. And what the writers are not going to do

is bring in a bunch of Debs friends. So they're going to bring Deb home where she's alone. And they're going to make her friends with Karen. This is because they don't want to hire five more actors It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate for Barbara's skill. But what I like that it gives us is the one person who isn't judging Deb. Because Dan has held this over her and threatened to ruin her life. Yeah. Nathan is making his mother the sinner rather than his father. And everything feels misogynistic. Again, in the writing, everybody relax. And Deb leaning on Karen. Karen is the only other person who's ever been in a relationship with Dan. And she is like, are you crazy?

Of course your son is going to forgive you. Like, it almost seems like Karen isn't even going to tolerate Deb's self-flageation, her self-criticism. That tracks, yeah. And I like that that Karen's like, of course you went looking elsewhere. That guy's an asshole. I know. That feels nice. Have you guys ever done that in real life?

have you ever like gotten close to the devil you know do you know what i mean like like i dated somebody on montreal and when we broke up i ended up dating his old best friend and like only because it was the only other person that knew what it was like to be disappointed by that person do you know what i mean are you really are you really asking me that question like we've all done this it's like it's a safe zone i know you've done it we've all done it we've all done it. Because it's like we can talk about it. You know, it's like, I can't talk about this really frustrating, embarrassing thing with anyone, but the person who also loves you, you know, or loved past tense, you. Or the person who's also been betrayed. Like, we share that we were

both betrayed by this person. I actually think that's quite common. Yeah. Whether or not anybody talks about it. I, it's the same reason that like in a completely different world, not in the closed circuit world of a, of a show landscape, but think about like people who meet in, you know, when people who meet in rehab, they're both suffering the same wound and they can sometimes have a commiseration that gives them something that nothing else can. commiserate friendship that's a strong bond listen sometimes that's a bad idea and sometimes it's a good idea and i don't know how to tell you how to tell the difference listen if we hate all the same

things chances are we're going to be friends i love that can we all talk about something that we all hate but god we love to hate him sweet angel paul playing horrible dance And Scott with the cardboard cut out. Oh my God. The cardboard cut out where he's grinning. Oh my God. Joy, was it you saying that the little one still lives? No, Sophia. Sophia. I have it. Guys, I have the miniature cut out. Of course I do. I'm going to ask Paul right now. I'm going to text him and ask him. Text him. Okay. I, Paul carry, the way he played that scene. And this is where you know, Paul is the sweetest human and he's such a good actor. He played that scene with the subtle, like, pulsing energy of camp.

Like in scary movie where they're making fun of scary movies. Yes. Paul is actually making fun of Dan Scott while, like, puffing up his chest as Dan Scott. It is so funny. And then when Craig Sheffer throws the basketball at the cutout, it's poetry. And it hits him square in the balls, too. Like, it hits him just right in the crotch. And it's a winner.

Like, they didn't do it as an insert. It actually happened. And it is poetic, comedic justice. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. Joy, what are you remember of this episode? Because you had never been a cheerleader in high school, right? Yeah.

I was for, like, one day. And then I went, this is not for me. I want to know about that one day. Tell me about that one day. I don't know. I think I just signed up for cheerleading, and I just tried it. And I thought, I don't know. I really don't know.

I just, I wasn't into it. I just didn't care. I didn't care. Yeah. I think that's what it was. I could have cared about soccer or, I don't know, maybe softball because there's strategy and like, I don't know, I guess for whatever reason, I just didn't care. I tried it.

But then I did do the sequel to bring it on. And we had cheerleading camp for three weeks ahead of time with professional cheerleaders. They came in and we trained in that gym on Hollywood. and Highland, the giant church at the corner of Hollywood and Highland, Franklin, Franklin and Highland. Yeah, so we trained in there for three weeks. And by the end of it, you know, we were being thrown up in the air and doing lifts, like full extension lifts on these guys' hands. And I mean, I was like, it was so cool. It was a really fun experience. So I had a little bit of that behind me and dance training because I grew up dancing and stuff. So I felt pretty

comfortable doing all of our stuff that we did. We were laughing during the routine because, you know, the choreography was mediocre and, you know, we were all obviously doing the best we could and we were good for actors to be doing, you know, cheering. We were filming 18 hours a day. When are you going to learn a routine? I know. That's all I'm hearing you say when you're like, we had three weeks of 12 hours a day of rehearsal to learn this one routine. I'm like, interesting, because they taught us our routine like a day before. Yeah, exactly. Oh, God, we'd get 30 minutes and they'd be like, come on, girls.

And we were like, we were like, guys, we don't know it. We don't know it. And they were like, you'll be great. And we watched. And Hillary, I think you said it. You were like, look, every shot's a close up because there's no wide shot where we're all in scene. No group shot. We have no rehearsal time.

Lots of torsos. It looks, when they do the shots where there's more than one person, it looks like the moves are staggered on purpose, and I promise you at home, they were not. No, whoever was behind the person in the front was just following the move of the person in front of them, like a second later. You guys, I did competition cheer squad. I did go to NCAA cheerleading camp and I made the national squad and I was like a super cheerleader. Damn it. I love that. And it killed me to not be good on what you're ill.

It can't kill me. Like, even I was struggling with those moves because I was like, it's not fair. It's not fair for them to not give us the proper rehearsal time and then throw us in and be like, just move your bodies and like basically throw your arms in this direction. We'll shoot around you. I've been cheerleading since I was nine years old. Oh, man. We could have done it amazing. We could.

We could have. If we'd had a couple of weeks of rehearsal, we would have killed. Yeah. Never, never, never. And so then on top of it, they're like, we're going to put you in front of a thousand extras. And we were like, okay, good story. The extras were heckling us, you guys. They were laughing in our faces.

They were. Because they were all serious cheer squads. And they were like, oh, my God, these girls. Yeah. On top of all of that, we're getting the pressure of like, pull it together. We're wasting film. We were still shooting on film. So pull it together.

We're shooting on film. You're wasting material. And then on top of that, pull it together. Your show's going to get canceled. We have this big corporate endorsement from Secret Sparkle. They're watching. You can't put this up. I was like, I will sparkle my forehead in deodorant if you need me to.

Just stop making me dance. Let's go to the secret sparkle of it all. Oh, man. Explain to the kids at home who don't know what the secret sparkle was. So the Secret Sparkle Classic was the cheer competition. No, it wasn't. It was made up. It was made up.

It was like, it was basically nationals, what Hillary's talking about. But it was the TV version and it was the TV version because I guess they got secret sparkle. At the time they made a glitter deodorant and they got secret to pay, you know, to quote, endorse. You guys, they made a glitter deodorant. Let's not blow past that. Glitter or deodorant. Okay, guys, I love glitter. I don't know why you want to hate on it so much. I've never not bought a sequin anything.

Jump suit, pant, dress. I don't know what you want me to tell you. Like most days I dress like a teenage boy. However, if I see, I literally, I just moved to Canada and I packed four suitcases and in one of them is a pair of sequin pants. God bless. So damn it. Of course. Of course.

It's just the idea of drawing attention to your armpit. Just like, check it out, guys. It's not hair. It's glitter. And it was before lasers, too. It was like before we could get rid of hair. Guys, would you rather have glitter or hair? I say glitter.

I don't know what you want for me. But like the funniest part is, and now that I'm hearing you guys talk about this, I remember, I vaguely remember them basically saying, oh, no, we're going to be fine. all these girls are cheerleaders. Joy did bring it on. Hillary was a, what competed in nationals. They thought we didn't need rehearsal time. And it's like, no, you get to nationals or you do bring it on by rehearsing all day, every day, for literal weeks. Yeah, yeah. That's how. So we had really sparkly armpits and terrible choreography as the point of the story. Well, let's talk about who had great choreography, and that is Marvin McClure. That in.

Oh, sweetie. Wow. I loved that moment so much. That was so fun. I love, God bless Lee Norris for learning all that and going for it. He always throws himself in 100% and I love that about him. And like shaking his ass. They put it in our face that he didn't have a problem learning the choreography.

But all the rest of it, I don't remember that. That's so funny. He also had a lot less to do in this episode, though. I mean, we were working on time and filming other episodes. I was going to say, that's rude. Because Lee only worked two days in this episode, and we worked eight. So his days of rehearsal really paid off. His choreography was floss.

When you go, when Haley says, what's a diagonal? And he claps and does the hands. It was such comedic gold. I know I said this earlier, but it bears repeating. I really feel like we got our show back. Yeah. And even with the boys, like we've been saying, you know, again, it's in the right. Bad behavior was being modeled.

And it's almost like, I almost feel like they took it so far in the last episode that maybe, and maybe I'm giving them too much credit, I don't know, but maybe even the writers were like, whoa, that was a lot. And suddenly in this episode, you have this beautiful storyline of will they or won't they with the brothers and Lucas and Nathan go to the river court. And did you guys notice that this is when we started lighting the whole city on the other side? So it was like twinkle lights. So beautiful.

Oh my gosh. And Lucas is trying to teach Nathan the fade away. And they're just these boys. They feel like boys again. Yeah. Having this experience. And then when you get to Charlotte or Raleigh or wherever this place was, wherever we were for the deodorant glitter, there's this gorgeous.

Mertile Beach, there it is. There's this gorgeous. We don't know. Guys, we're pulling rabbits out of hats at this place. We were in a hot tub, kids. The hot tub was fun. But there's that gorgeous, super wide shot. It feels like a movie of Lucas and Nathan walking into that gymnasium.

And you realize it's just these like two young boys up against the world. And it's touching. Those were the moments that reminded me of what was the movie that Mike Tolan and Brian Robbins had done together. They had done a basketball movie before they sold this show. Wasn't that the movie Antoine did? Coach Carter. And Antoine was in it. That's right.

And it was so beautifully shot in those big epic moments of, you know, somehow it feels magical and intimate and huge all at the same time. And they did a great job. And there were a lot of shots in this episode that reminded me of that vibe, which is what the show was sold on. That's what our show was sold on, that vibe, that image. So, yeah, we got our show back. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

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I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My favorite shot of the entire episode was the hallway shot, where you see the chaperones, go through and make sure everyone's in bed,

and then all the kids duck out of their room. Because I full on remember those nights going on field trips in high school. I went on every field trip imaginable, student government, theater, sports, like, whatever. If I could leave my house, I went on that trip. and I loved like hotels and we did we would sneak out we didn't do anything bad we certainly weren't going to strip clubs but we'd go to each other's rooms and stuff and it was I remember going on a government field trip and like it was when lifetime did if these walls could talk do you remember that do you remember that yes it was all that lesbians it was like you know the first

time that those relationships were being profiled on television. And I was into it. Like, fascinated. Yeah. And my, I'm sitting in my room. I'm in a hotel. We have cable on like I did at home. And my sponsors call our hotel room. And I answer the phone. I said, hello. And they're like, Hillary, turn the channel. And I was like, what? They're like, we can hear the sex scenes from your room. Oh, sorry, guys. Anyway. I'm sorry. Yeah, listen. You got to like go out of town. and sew your oats. Totally.

I loved. I also remember us filming that stuff. And I can't remember if they had a bullhorn and they would yell or if they had an air horn at the end of the hall. They needed a really loud noise to get everyone to open the door at the same time. And how funny it was when we get it wrong. And it was like, it was just such a charming behind the scenes experience. But to see it on camera, because again, you know, for everybody watching along with us,

We filmed this stuff for hours and hours. So when we see it cut together and the comedy is like chef's kiss, the timing is perfect. You go, oh, my God, we really did it right. And it's so sweet to then have this moment where you're like, Rut Row. And when everybody gets in trouble and Barry is screaming, how could you? How am I supposed to? And you realize he's not yelling at the team. He's yelling at Karen and Larry.

Oh, gold. It was perfect. I love that we kept our basketball players and our cheerleaders for the run of the show. Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was really special. I loved that they really made an effort to do that. It was so cool. And this was a cool episode, too, because, you know, so many of the gals on our squad were our friends, like, some of the dearest people in our lives.

And this was the first time with Teresa, you know, getting chicken pox. I hated Brooke being like, cover up the Zit. But it's like, okay, it's the joke for the chickenpox fine, whatever. It's okay. And there's a lot of Victoria in there, too, which was kind of fun to see in Brooke. That's true. Oh, my God. You're right.

That's a good point. Joy with the Zinger. Yeah. But like seeing her more on camera, seeing Danielle more with her, like, that perfectly just shocked face when the other girl is mean to us downstairs, Bevin getting her first line on camera. It was just so special. Remember when they named her Bevin on the call sheet?

Like they were like, what do we call her? She can only be Bevin. They're like, give her a character name. What was her first line? What did she say? It was something snarky to Brooke. It was about, it was, it was a, well, okay, so when we had the cheerleading practice on the quad. I just wrote down Bevan's first line.

I didn't write down what it was. Well, so when we were shot that scene on the quad, part of my mortification and all of this cheerleading is that my real friends from high school. school visited during this episode. And they came, like, because all my friends were still in college. And so they came during, it must have been spring break, because this aired in April. And so they, and we only had a couple weeks between when we would shoot and when things would air. So my girlfriends from high school all came down and watched us film that cheerleading practice on the quad. And I just remember them being like, hmm, that's not accurate. You know, like we were kind of real bitchy about it. But that's when, like, Bevan had her first love.

And, you know, for her, that turned into a big storyline. And now, you know, we can talk about, you know, Bevin's got a really successful podcast. Bevan runs her own business now. She was doing SoulCycle Forever. And she's got her own business called Recess, which is a fitness program. And she moved to Wilmington after living in New York City for years. Daniela is, like, in London? Is she living in London with her twins or something?

Daniela is in London with three kids. I was at Daniela's wedding. It was an utter dream. My favorite, I actually just have to shout out Danielle and her sweet husband, Bryn, because you guys will remember this. When Daniela and Bryn started dating, we were all in North Carolina, and he's English. So he would walk into a bar and be like, you know, in his cute accent like, oh hello. And people were like, wow, where are you from?

And then they moved to London. And everyone is British, duh. And Danielle walks into a bar and goes, hey, y'all. And all the Brits are like, oh, my, where are you from? And he was like, oh, I've done myself a terrible disservice. The thing that made me feel cool makes my wife catnip to everyone in London. And it's just the cutest role reversal. And they are just the most delightful, wonderful couple.

and their kids are unbelievable. And it's like, yeah, man, we were all just a bunch of kids pretending to be cheerleaders. And now we're grown-ups with careers. Who knew? So Brett Claywell and Sarah Edwards, who played Teresa, so Tim and Sarah were dating in real life when we were doing this. And so that was a fun thing because they were like the hometown kids.

And they were the ones to, like, give us tours. And I remember, like, going around on Halloween with Sarah. She was just like a police officer. She was the hottest thing in town. like oh my god her shorts could not have been shorter but she was a smoke show and so i think that's why they felt so comfortable making fun of her in this episode because she clearly knew that she was a babe well she's heartbreakingly pretty and then she's like she's like okay yeah you can put stuff all over my face it's fine it's fine and the rest of us were like wow what must it be like to feel that

confident cool that's cool but she's a mom now too she just had babies it's fun to like keep up with everybody and see our evolution and know that we were all punk kids together, you know, pretend to be high schoolers forever. And now we're moms. Forever. That's what we do now. It's cute. I will say, speaking of confidence, I loved.

I loved when we were having that sweet moment in the hot tub in the pool. And Haley walks out for the first time in the Tree Hill Ravens, cheerleading costume. and Brooke says tutor girl, you look bitching. Bitching. And Haley doesn't shy away or make a bashful thing that girls, like in the Amy Schumer skit, like the girls are like, oh, this, no. Haley's like, yeah, I kind of do, don't I? And I was like, yes, own it, own it, own it.

It was so nice. It was so fun to put on a cheerleading uniform and feel like I was part of the group, you know, and feel like, just, I don't know. I mean, I, Haley was not supposed to be a cheerleader. She was like something else. And so to be able to play with you guys for a little bit and do that, I thought that was really fun. It was new. And to get dressed up and put my hair in a ponytail and, you know, all the little like fake eyelashes.

And it was fun. I loved that. Joy, did it make a difference in how you felt on set once you joined the squad? Because you got to sit in the bleachers with Craig, which was also pleasing. Also fun, yeah. But. Yeah, it did. I mean, I think I, look, I've always been very uncomfortable most of the time.

life always so I'm like only just about five years ago I started turning a corner and being like wait I don't give up I'm fine um you know so I think no matter where I was that there was always an element of being uncomfortable and over analyzing and all that but I had fun and and yeah I think being able to feel like I was part of the popular kids crew a little bit more and you know hanging out with all of you guys and being able to stay, stay after, be a part of the cheer rehearsals. So I didn't feel like I was missing out on something you guys all got to go do together. Well, yeah, now I know. But, you know, back then it was like, oh, man, they get to bond because they have their

chair rehearsals and they have this little club. And so that was kind of, I was fun to be able to be a part of that. I thought it was also cool for the storyline, too. I liked showing that Haley, you know, the Haley feeling torn between her friendship with Lucas and making sure that she was making time for her boyfriend. And that's tough. That was so adult. You being like, this is how it's going to be, Lucas, was fantastic.

Like, yes. And you know what else I loved about it? Haley's saying to him, I don't spend more time with Nathan than you spent with Brooke. Like, she, without saying it, she calls him. him on his double standard. Yeah, the double standard of him saying, you're not allowed to change, but I am. And she's like, that's not cool. You did this. I'm doing this. We're growing up.

And in a way, her saying that kind of diffuses the whole thing. And then by the end of the episode, everyone's being friends. Yeah. It's such a, it's such a phenomenal way to like let the air out of the balloon. And, and, and you did it so tenderly but with a with a boundary yeah she's owning her she's owning her journey which i loved about her i loved that she was unabashedly like you know it's it's nerve-wracking it's scary i'm not sure how to do this i don't i don't want to hurt anybody i don't you know we're both stepping into this thing where we used to be kind of the losers on the outskirts and now we're both in with the popular kids and trying to find our way and there's drama and but

she owned her journey in it. She didn't make apologies for herself. She didn't try and please everybody. She just was like, I'm, I'm just going one day at a time and this is where I am. And I'm, I'm owning it. Yeah. I love that. I have a theory. I think that Haley is a time traveler and is actually from the future because she's the only person who is exhibiting like 20, 21 values. Do you know what I mean? It's true. You are Rachel McAdams and the time traveler's way of my God. Oh, God. I love it. You're a time traveler. This is the only thing Wendry Hill was missing, time travel.

Honestly, we jumped every single shark but a time machine. That would have been the most amazing final episode, by the way. We all climb into a DeLorean. That's why Peyton didn't come to Brooke's wedding. She was time traveling, guys. She was like a bill and Ted.

It's like in a phone booth. We need a reboot special. Just for this. Just to time travel. Why not? That's so good. Wait, wait. But comedy aside, I actually do have to say, watching this, I wish we'd had time to watch the episodes when they were airing.

Because we never got to see them because we were on set. We were on Tuesdays at 8 p.m. We were like working. We were working. But I, in watching Haley assert her. herself and owned that she deserves to have experiences of trial and error. I'm like, oh, man, if anybody had taught me that when I was a kid, that would have been cool. But would we have listened? I mean, that's part of youth. That's why youth is wasted on the young, right? Like, if we had

known, but even if we had known, would we have listened? Because I sure has hell no, I got a lot of advice that I never listened to and wish I had but I didn't I didn't want to listen you know well so I think that's part of the journey hayley is described by Lucas and this is like the part where we're all like oh that guy he's like she used to be a totally original Haley when he's talking to Nathan and we were that made me so mad what the heck like the heck you used to be totally original Lucas you being Lucas shoot all I hear is she used to only talk to you and now she talks to other people and you

don't like it. Yeah. He's feeling a little, like boys do that right? They feel extra territorial. You know who doesn't do that? Yeah. Jake Jigelsky. That's right. He doesn't. He doesn't.

If Jake Chigelsky could walk on water, I think that that would be in one tree hill. Like I said, we've jumped every other shark. Okay, time travel, walking on water. We have to keep a list for what might come someday. She is

the person who's allowed to be perfect. Do you know what I mean? Like there are no flaws with Gagelsky, which can be irritating. He'll be a bit of a martyr in season three when he tells Peyton to go bay with Lucas. Which is super frustrating. That's right. But for right now,

the fact that he's like next door to the girls and the door opens up and he's like not a threat at all. It's like, oh my God, Jake's next door. you're so fun, you know. And he's not talking shit about his ex who just showed up on his doorstep in the last episode. How did we not open the episode with that moment? That's so crazy that the...

He doesn't want to tell any of us. Yeah. Yeah. He's not a shittaker. I think maybe he's a time traveler too. Oh. Could be. Oh.

Yeah, and I know, Nikki's a secret, but I just, I don't know. It was such a good cliffhanger that to open the episode and not be right back. There was no deodorant in that scene. Nick, Nick, it just goes, pow, pow. We're Sparkle pits? Sparkle pits. Sparkle pits. Oh my gosh.

That's the name of this podcast episode. Yes. Sparkle pits. You're welcome. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor. to become a television writer, because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a time of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con, or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world,

influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of 10, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi.

What difference at this point does it make? Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Actually, There's a moment in this whole cheerleading storyline, which feels really important to call out for our fans and listeners. What? Because it made us cackle.

There's a lot of very great comedy. And I will say, again, show is back on track. I know I keep repeating it, but I'm real excited. Get over it. The writers gave, like, a lot of good comedy. And I feel lucky. Like, as Brooke, I got a lot of good comedy. in this episode. Zingers, man. It's a lot of like her, it's, it's her anxiety. It's like,

we got a witness. We're going to go Tanya Harding. It's like she's so panicky. It's so ridiculous, but it's so charming. And, and the comedy was great. And then there is a moment that is clearly written for comedy, but it's ridiculous because Peyton brings Haley in and is like, she's going to fill in. And it's like, this isn't going to work. And then it's like, we're going to stay up night we need black coffee sleep is our enemy tutor girl we're going to have to do something about that hair oh my god right and the three of us started cackling because in this episode out of maybe any episode ever joy and i have the exact same hair you guys it is it is the same color it is the same link.

It is in a straight, full blowout. Oh, yeah. Same style. So I'm like, we got to do something about that hair. And clearly mine also. Like, it's so ridiculous. I love it. I love this about Brooke.

I mean, Brooke could get away with it. Brooke could be the one who could be totally wild and irrational and crazy, but you still loved her because you saw the little girl in her. And that was so endearing. And, you know, you always, it was like your best friend who's like overdramatic and wild and crazy, but you still love her because you see the little girl in her that you just love so much and that that never goes away, you know, the wonder that's in her, that never goes away. So even when she's barking at people and being, you know, snide and whatever, in the next

moment she can turn around and smile and be like, oh my God, I don't know why I'm being so crazy today. I'm sorry, I love you. Okay, bye. That's just so strong. Oh, God, that's so Brooke. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's exactly it. And I think because some of it, like on the page, it's like, Haley, we have to fix your hair. Yeah. And then we're standing there and we have the same hair. So I think inadvertently... I wish I'd have played that.

I wish we had been able to look at each other and like... I know. To be like, uh-uh. Uh-huh. But it like... The ridiculousness of what they would write that wasn't real, I think, gave me as a performer the space to lean into like, I got to make this endearing because it's utterly ridiculous. Well, dude, your pep talk. Right before the competition where you're like Teresa's last words to us were this sucks and this will suck if we lose.

Like it's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. Because it's not, guys, we have to do this for Teresa. No. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And it did suck, I promise.

Yeah. You guys, we didn't even get sparkled deodorant, like, gifted to us. No, because our dance suck, Joy. Maybe if we danced a little harder, we would have gotten some sparkle pits. We would have gotten some gift bags, damn it. They were like, send them home, don't give them. Do they still make it? Is this something I'm going to have to Google right now?

Are we going to have to buy it on eBay? I do not want 15 or 18 year old deodorant. That is not. I would like to put one stick in a shadow box frame next to my teeny tiny cutout of Paul Johansson as Dan Scott. Trick or treat. Gross. What I also noticed in this episode, which felt like a chick did not write, is that Brooke and Peyton are at odds, like crazy at odds. And the last episode was like, I hate your face.

I'm not your friend. Don't look at me. And even though she still hates me, we still have to be in all the same shots together. And so, like, we're next to me. Like, I'm literally on top of you in every single shot, hovering like a psychopath, just like, you don't love me now, but you will. You know, like I'm straight stalking you. But that's what you say at the end. And actually, I thought maybe that makes up for it, the thing you're talking about, which now that I think about it is creepy. But I like what they wrote, which was when I say, it's essentially the come down, right?

Yeah. Like, look, it was fun to have something to focus on, but you did this horrible thing and we're not friends. And I thought that line was so simple and so poignant. And the way you delivered it was so beautiful. And you just said, look, maybe you're not my friend, but I'm your friend. And I'm going to prove it to you. And I was like, oh. It's great. Oh, so many people have wanted to hear that. Yeah. From people they've loved and been hurt by and probably haven't. And I, I loved that moment. I like that moment. It's, you know, the Brooke Payton relationship is so complex. And so I like when they give us those little, just really simple moments.

You know, like if another teenager said that when teenagers say vulnerable things like that, that's a risk. That's like a special. Big deal. And so our show doesn't have to be about like, I'm in the hospital and I almost died. Like those little moments in parking lots are just as important. And so I really like that scene. I like the Brooke Payton journey. You guys want to talk about some gossip?

Yeah, I love gossip. Oh, what's the gossip? Well, the gossip is that, well, as you know, and you wouldn't bring it up because it's up to me to bring it up. But I was dating someone while we were, someone from Wilmington while we were filming this episode. And without, I don't think I was engaged yet. Was that? No, I think we were. It was on the way and we didn't like the joy.

We didn't like it. I know. We made a signal to be like, are we talking about this? But you're talking about it. We're in. Yeah, I'm talking about it. No, I mean, it was up to me to bring up. But that's what I mostly remember from behind the scenes of this, of this, you know, Sparkle

Classic or whatever, this trip because I think he, like, worked a lot in Myrtle Beach or something. Anyway, it came down to hang out. But, like, I never heard the behind the scenes, like, how you guys all felt about or what you all thought because I was, like, isolating myself. So I didn't, I don't know what happened. Well, you were, like, dating him. Like, you were in the throes of romance. And all I remember is this dude showing up and coming to our hair and makeup trailer.

And all of us looking at each other like, who's this guy? Because he was very territorial out of the gates. And we were like, well, who is this? She's ours. Like, this is our person. And we haven't vetted you. And we don't know you. Yeah.

And I don't know why I was like, come on in the hair and makeup. I mean, I had been around. this business long enough to know that you don't like have your friends and family just come hang out in the trailer, usually for a line. Unless you want us to rip them apart. I know. Maybe maybe in the back of your mind you wanted us to intervene. Maybe I did. And obviously I don't want to disparage anyone. He was a sweet guy, a good dude. He was handsome and successful. And, you know, it was he, there was nothing wrong with him. It was just that we were not the right match. Like we were very different places in our journey, you know. And so it didn't work out. And that.

was as it should be. But I do know that everybody kind of was had, didn't have a great vibe and was like a little concerned. Like Joy, we gave you a cheerleading uniform. You don't have to be with him. I know. Don't do it. I know. It's so weird. Hillary, this gave us a bridge because you didn't like what was happening in my personal. Sure didn't. Sure didn't. And this, us both hating Joy's boyfriend. Oh, that's right. So we can talk about this. And, and suddenly, you were like, yeah, you know how to spot a bad situation? And I was like, maybe.

And we were, we were like trying to swim back toward each other. And this was, this was kind of our spot. Anyway. I'm so glad that I could be a bridge for you guys. Listen, I admit. My bad choices. To having firm opinions about things. and my firm opinions about Sophia's

My firm opinions about Sophia's relationship And my firm opinion about Joy's relationship Maybe didn't make me the nicest person to be around And so I apologize for that But I also am glad that I push back a little bit Because you both deserved better Oh, love you. That's what you want your girlfriends for.

You know, you want people to say that. And you know what I will say is that when you're young, and you're new and you've like just hatched and you have goo behind your ears you don't know like you're you're either like a duckling or a bull in a china shop you don't know how to communicate yeah and for the tumult and the like good and the bad of trying to messily advocate for each other what i like is that even when we couldn't hear it when we were babies we we we always trusted each other. Even if we were mad, there was love.

Yeah. And we always trusted each other. And so it's not lost on any of us that now after all these years, like, the first person any of us calls when we have any shit to talk about our life is each other. Because it's like, well, you saw the dumbest thing I ever did. So you're not going to think this is that bad. Yeah. Hey, remember that time I almost destroyed my life?

You guys were there. Let this be a lesson to you out there, you know, as a young person, if all your friends or, you know, a good chunk of your friends have red flags about your relationship, please listen. Yeah. Please take it seriously. And that doesn't mean that the other person, the relationship, is like the worst or, you know, evil or anything. It just means it's like, it might not be right.

It just means it's not for you. Because here's what I'll say. There is. There really is. And I don't mean this to be hyperbolic or saccharine or any of it. There is somebody for everybody. And sometimes when you're young, you're not as attuned to the specificities of your puzzle pieces yet. So you really, you're like, no, this almost fits.

It's close. And it's like, it's actually not close if it doesn't fit. It's really not. It's a terrible idea. Houses that don't fit together fall down. And that's not to say you're never going to argue. You're never going to have things to work out. I mean, you are, there are a lot of things that, you know, when you partner up with somebody,

you're meant to be kind of clashing up against each other in order to make each other better people. Yeah. And that's part of the journey of a relationship. To expand. Yeah. Yeah. To grow.

So it doesn't mean that there should never be a fight. Actually, I think if you're not fighting ever, you probably have a huge problem in your relationship. You're sleeping with other people? Yeah. Something's going on. If you've never had an argument, one or both of you might be a serial killer. I don't know. But, yes.

I agree. I agree with what you're saying. But keep the asshole friend that tells you, I don't like your relationship. I don't like it. I don't like it. Do it. Yeah. Yeah. Because they love you. They love you. And you know what's funny. It brings me to the circle back of these relationships, these friendships that are being pressure tested. Haley standing up for herself and saying, I deserve to grow. To Lucas is a big deal. And Brooke leaning into, you know, a decade and a half.

of best friendship with Peyton and then saying, I'm still not ready to forgive you. It's actually, I mean, we said this in the last episode. Like, why have we not seen Brooke crying about what happened her? Yeah. And it's at the end of this episode. Oh, yes. Those photos. That beautiful shot with the mirror and the chandelier and those photos beautifully lit.

Another great shot. I mean, wow, how gorgeously set up was that? Yes, I was so happy to see Brooke finally letting her guard down by herself and just letting it out. Oh, broke my heart. It was so beautiful. And it's interesting, you know, when we get into this one, Dwayne Clark directed this so beautifully. For you guys at home, I don't know, the children listening. Dick Clark is Dwayne Clark's dad. Dick Clark of like, you know, American bandstand. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. And so he comes from like legendary pop culture. And I think he probably had a really good understanding of pop culture and that's what our show was. It was like

how did teenagers communicate with each other? How do they communicate with music? How do they communicate in their like high school setting? His entire family lineage was, you know, based in that. It was their family business. Yeah. Yeah. So that that inherent just understanding of how to communicate not just what's on the page, but more, I thought it was so. beautiful. And there's this ending that, again, feels like what we did best, where we go from this moment of Keith coming in and seeing Karen and Larry and going, oh, maybe I've been replaced of, I was painful. Painful of, of, you know, Brooke, Peyton, Lucas, Haley, Nathan, all of them in the parking lot, like the Corps 5 having this experience, Brooke going home, having her tears.

Luke is taking the court again at Nathan's advice, by the way. Yeah. To push through the pain, to start training. And then Nathan gets the apartment. The apartment. The apartment. The, the is capitalized. Nathan gets the apartment where so many things take place over the years to come.

You guys, did you know anybody growing up that lived on their own? I did. Well, Joy lived on her own. That's what I mean. I had my own apartment when I was a senior. That's crazy. Like, how did that happen? Well, she was on a TV show.

Yeah, I was on a series. I mean, financially, that's how that happened. Didn't you have to move to New York, though, to do your series? It was a soap, and the first year I did, my mom was terrified for me to have my own apartment. So I ended up living in my own place in Hackensack instead of moving to New York City, which was the biggest mistake I could have made because I should just move the city. The commute was bad, but also I was so isolated out there. I didn't, you know, I didn't have a lot.

a bunch of friends in Hackensack, New Jersey. I had friends in my hometown that I was in, and then I had friends in the city. And she was just afraid of me being in New York. And, you know, I was 17 and whatever. You know, you listen to your mom. Joy, you sound like an old-timey character. Well, I didn't have a bunch of friends in Hackensack, New Jersey. Hey, listen, if there's anybody in Hackensack that wants to be friends with Joy, it's not too late.

You're like, but I did go to Paramus and shop at the outlet. I love those outlets, by the way. Anybody in Paramus, you're lucky. I love it. I love New Jersey and I loved Hackensack, but I should have had an apartment in New York City, which I eventually did the next year I moved to New York. But why were we talking about that? Oh, yeah.

So that's so I was commuting. I was commuting back and forth. But I was the only person I knew that did that. I mean, I didn't know any high schoolers that lived on their own, like Brooke apparently does, even though we've never seen her family, and Peyton certainly does. It's crazy. And now Nathan, the one person that had two parents is out on his own. He's like, bye. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep

traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok, from Prologue Project.

and Pushkin Industries, this is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I feel like we have a lot of things to talk about that perhaps we should do after we close this podcast over a glass of wine. But we have some listener questions. Let's do that. And we have a question from Daniel that actually just made me giggle hard because it's, I feel attacked but also seen.

Okay. Danielle says with this podcast, we've found out that Peyton can't really draw. Shut up. Yes, I can. Well, I don't know why anybody said this. Well, because I didn't draw those pictures. Oh, that's what it is. Okay, okay, okay.

I'm going to edit Danielle's question. in this podcast, we found out Peyton didn't do her own drawings and that Haley would be a bad tutor? Yeah, because remember I was saying, like, I don't have the patience and, like, math is, I would not be good math tutor. Can you imagine Joy having to deal with a dumbdom? I could tutor you in history or English or spelling. A punctuation tutor, I think, is important these days

if you've ever been on Twitter, but that's a separate conversation. Your-your-your-your, there, there. Danielle says, are Brooks sewing skills reeled? Sophia know how to see. I don't know the answer to this either. Are you- Joy and Hillary? Guys, all I want is to know how to sew, and I don't know how.

Baby, we can teach you. We can teach you. However, I am the kind of person who will try something on and go, this would be great if. This needs to be taken in. This needs to be hemmed, this sleeve should be this. Like, I can see. You can see.

I love design. I can't sew or draw. past a stick figure at all. So no project runway for you. I've seen you draw is. I think you're being very kind. You have nice handwriting. That's kind. That's like drawing words. Yes. Also very good. You can draw words shapes. You know what I will say is I'm very good at spatial math like trigonometry. If you need a

person to unpack your home. I don't know what spatial math is. Boy, trigonometry, trigonometry, geometry, spatial math. I can pack a suitcase. I'll get twice as much in it as any other person. I can unpack and organize a house for you. I have a girlfriend who I was doing a job with who was very pregnant and miserably sick. And moving, her and her husband were moving. And that sweet angel that she's married to was working for a stint in New York at the time.

Did you pack this woman's whole house while you also have 37 other jobs? You did. You did. I packed up their whole apartment and then every night after work for three hours every day until it was done. I would go over to their new apartment and I would unpack and I would say, do you like this bowl here? And she would sit on the couch with a bucket to barf in and eventually she would pass out. And I would just be like, you know what? I'm going to keep going. And I unpacked their entire apartment. I hung all of their art. I organized like their light bulbs and little Tupperware containers and the shelf. She is Monica. Spatial math. Brooke Davis is Rachel. I'm kind of, if you put Rachel and Monica in a blender, that's me. I don't know what to say about it. I remember going to your house and seeing like things in shadow boxes and like framed really nicely when I would just like nail to my wall. And I was like, oh, Sof does this like nice.

Oh yeah. It's another level. Yeah. I just went, this is how you know that I'm a crazy person. The last day in L.A., I had one day in Los Angeles before I moved to Canada for six months. I took four years worth of stuff that had been accumulating in a bin in my garage that needed to be framed to the framer. Of course you did. And I was like, obviously, this is what I should do on my last day in L.A.

Because I said to the lady, you have six months, I have no rush. You just frame all this whenever. I haven't had time. Here we are. Here we are. We had a great day together. You could sew anything. Like, I remember being so impressed seeing, you had vintage bathing suits framed in your house

that I was like, oh, that's really cool. If you could sew anything, what would you sew? Suits. Oh, yeah. You are so hot in suits. I love a suit. I would love to be able. I want to be able to, like, cuff a jacket, hem a pant.

I need a lesson. Joy, I need a lesson. We can help you. All right. Girl, I was treasurer of future Homemakers of America at Sterly Middle School in 1995. Hillary Burton, you only get cuter to me. It's so true. I'm going to fight Jeffrey.

Did they have future Homemakers of America in California or New Jersey? Or is that just like a southern thing? I've definitely heard about New Jersey, yes. I did 4-H. I did like the full-blown agriculture because I was in California. They were like, learn to grow vegetables. They didn't care if we learned how to stitch anything. We got you.

Maybe we just need a special live event just to learn how to sew. Can you imagine? We're going to dress in old-timey dresses with bustles and high collars. Cameo pins. That's so good. I love a cameo. Wait, what if on our next Drama Queen's Live we dress up in old-timey clothes and we learn how to make pajamas? Pajamas.

We're going to sew our own pajamas. I'm down. Yeah. Because on our first one, we did pajamas. Guys, I'm just saying we have a theme here and we should stick to it. I'm going to crochet a neckline. Don't worry. All right, Danielle, thanks for your question.

Spin, spin, spin a wheel. Sweet. We are going to spin our most likely two. What do we get? Oh, man. Become president. President of what? Most likely to become president, but like,

Of what? Of what? Well, I mean, if we're saying the president, who's most likely to become the president? I guess future homemakers of America, I call dibs. However, yeah, who in the show was government-minded? I know. Would it be Lisa? What was her character's name, Millie?

I don't know. Was she in? No, I feel like it's Gigi. Oh, Gigi. Oh, my God. That's interesting. Yeah. On the show, I feel like it's Gigi.

Also, again, mouth. I mean, why does he fit every category? He really does. He's perfect. Mouth is really the answer. If all else fails, the answer's mouth. No, what about, well, Lindsay, Lindsay was like a, you know, like a book editor,

you know, she worked for like a, but she was certainly the most adult and like together character that we'd had. Why do I feel like, though, Lindsay would become, like, the president of the Guggenheim Museum. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's what I mean. You know what I mean?

Yeah. She would be the chic director of an art institute. She was sophisticated and smart and savvy and, like, new one to walk away and, like, just, she was a grown up. What about Dan? Oh, Christ, do we really need a Dan president? I mean, we've had one. I think we could.

I just feel like it's possible. I feel like it's possible. It's all I'm saying. It is possible. Yeah. Guys, I'm going to finish my pad tie and my wine. Sorry, I've been eating this whole time, but this has been real fun. And we're so glad that you joined us all.

Yeah. Thanks for having dinner with us. It's been an edamame night for me, friends. But yeah, what do we have next week? What do we got? 18 to wish impossible things. To dream, the impossible dream. I actually don't know.

I don't know either. Because that was such a standalone episode. Where are we going? What's going to happen? That's it. This episode didn't tease anything. It was kind of a standalone episode. Yeah.

Yeah. We're unresolved with Nikki and Jake. We're still a little wishy-washy on whether Lucas and Nathan are actually friends with each other or not. Peyton and Brooke's friendship is still up in the air. It hangs in the balance. And Nathan's got an apartment, which for sure he's going to throw a party in at some point soon. Oh, I know what's going to happen.

I know what's going to happen. You do? Yeah, I do. I'm not going to ruin it. But you guys, you're going to like it. I can't wait. Watch the episode and tune in with us next week. When I tell you, I have no idea.

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