Drama Queens - The Baggage Has To Match ᐧ EP601

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

As we enter season 6, the cliffhanger from season 5 feels brand new again. Maybe that’s because the girls share their stories from that time which includes them being left in the dark and fanning over the drama as well! There was a lot going on and that leaves a lot to unpack!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama, girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Oh my god, these potatoes are so good.

These potatoes are amazing. They're so good. That's how we start this episode. Yeah. 500%. You guys, this episode was potatoes. It's so good. Yes, healthy all around.

Just really filling. And like warm, but also. Lots of toppings. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Had it all. It does feel like a nice mashed potato.

The mashed potato episode. Uh-huh. That's the title. Boys and Girls, we are in episode 601 season six, episode one. Touch me. I'm going to scream. One. I loved it.

Me too. Yeah. You guys, I remember this. Do you? We remember bits and pieces of things, but this one could have happened last week. Really? For sure. Oh my God, say more.

Really? Yeah, 100%. Because we had to do a ton of press at the end of season five for that cliffhanger of who Lucas was going to pick. Yeah. And none of us knew. They, like, wouldn't tell us. Yeah. Because we weren't good enough actors that they trusted us to carry that knowledge and not be, like, all snarky.

And so I just called my shot in those interviews, because I was all like, he's picking me. Like, no question. Why would you guys ask dumb questions like this? So then when he did, I felt really vindicated. But we'll get there. We'll get there. I just remember feeling real cocky about this. Just like, did it.

You should have. You deserved it. Peyton, after all that, after all she's been through, I just need Peyton to be happy. Guys, same. Thank God. Her and Brooke have traded places in this episode. It feels so weird. I know. Okay, let me do the synopsis.

Look, the girl of Lucas's dreams shows up at the airport. Duh, it's Peyton. Nathan's comeback is halted by news that could change his career while Dan's life hangs in the balance. That's it. Marvin and Millison wrestle with leaving Tree Hill and Brooke and Victoria battle over close over bros. And it comes to a surprising head. Oh, yeah, that was intense. It really was.

But this dream sequence that we start with. Oh, I love it. Let's just get right into that, because that was a hoot. I felt like I was really watching a great, it had all the makings of one of those 90s rom-coms. It felt so elevated and just felt like new ideas, but still comforting and cozy. I loved the going through the rotating door and suddenly into his bedroom. And then suddenly out on the deck with Lindsay and the terrible green screen, which we can forgive because it was 2000 and whatever, six.

And, oh, I loved that. I loved it. What did you think? I loved it. So Stuart Gallard is somebody, he did four episodes of our show, but he also did just, like, he did Charmed. He did all, like, 902 and O. He was like a teen drama. dependable guy.

And it's so nice when you have big episodes like that. I'm still scrolling through all of his credits. Oh, he did Lonesome Dove the series in 1994. Oh, this is why we love Stewart. Joy, to jog your memory. He directed five episodes of Avonlea.

Which, if you're not an Anna Green Gables nerd out there, it was a show that was on in the 90s that all took place in the world of Evan Lee. on Prince Edward Island. This is for like history nerd chicks. And we loved him because he had that like Canadian wholesome sensibility. I can still see his face in my mind.

He's right there. He was the Avinley director of all of his credits. We were like, oh my God, you worked with Sarah Pauley? Well, it's probably why he knew how to get the since everything did feel very sincere in this episode. It did. Yeah. I feel like he's talented at getting, he knows how to get that.

I don't know how. I mean, I haven't directed enough to be able to really know what the skill set requires to be able to grab that and somehow make it consistent in every job that you do. But he does. I feel like he really knows how to grab the sincerity and make it come through. He's really nice. Like, there's a, it's really easy as a director to sometimes fall into the chaos of the day. like trying to get all the shots, especially on an episode this massive.

Totally. It's huge. As an actor, you feel that pressure and you're like, oh, shit, I only have like two takes to get this right. And oh, God, I got to get it right. And if the director's a little on edge, you can feel really on edge. And Stewart would just come up and be like, hey, that was really good. Do you want to try maybe this?

And that kind of like loving energy. Yeah. I appreciate it. That's right. It was cozy and relaxing. Well, there's also something, I think, to be said for positive reinforcement in general. And I think there's, you know, we obviously existed on a set where we didn't get as much of that as you could or should. And I think when you're in a high pressure episode, like something this big, I mean, even like, y'all, looking at my notes from this, I'm like, Jesus, this is going to be a long talk. This is a three-pager, y'all.

Yeah, like it's long. But, you know, there's something about the way positive reinforcement can also undo the stress that we were all under in a premiere episode because of the time constraints, because of the size of the script, somebody who's just like, you guys are nailing it. Let's have fun. And you go, okay. And then suddenly instead of being in a panic that you're running out of time, you kind of feel like you're on an adventure. And I feel like the energy of this. being an adventure is in the episode, like these montages of us being able to watch Lucas being married to each of these three women. It kind of reminds me of the beginning of the Princess Bride. Like when they're reading the book and you know you're getting into the fantasy. Like, Stuart did something with this episode where it felt magical in the way that those movies we grew up on felt magical. Even the card guy. Like when he's in the airport, I was like, oh my God, I love him. I love the way Chad touched him to see if he was real.

Like, it all was so sweet. And seamless. Like, everything flowed really well into each other. And none of it felt manufactured, even though it was hyper-realism, you know? It was really cool. It's kind of a big deal that they gave Stewart this season opener, too, because usually those episodes were done by somebody in-house, meaning one of our producers or somebody who was an editor on the show or somebody who was just art.

around and sort of in the boys club. And Stuart never had that boys club energy about him. So actually just really appreciate that they saw his talent, recognized it, and wanted to, you know, let him take the reins on this first episode. It's a big deal. I'm just realizing as we look at our breakdown, you know, I remember there being this buzz that for this opening sequence, we had gotten this amazing actor, Bill Cobb, to come in and play the card guy,

you know, the mysterious guy that, like, encouraged. is Lucas. And I remember, like, everybody was going through his credits and they're like, you know him from this, you know him from this, you know him from this, you know him from this. I mean, Bill Cobb has 194 credits on IMDB. A hundred and ninety four. He had been in everything. I mean, everything. And he brought such like gravitas to what could have been like a cheesy dream sequence. He made it real. He needed really fun. The night at the airport with him and Chad was like a blast. I love that this like really accomplished older actor came in and he seemed like he had a good time. Like our show was

chaos. And so you want to be on good behavior when we have great guest stars like that? I mean, he was just like, y'all are doing okay. This is fun. Enjoy this. And maybe that's what it was for me and why I kind of had a sentimental response to this episode is because I remember this older actor at the very, very beginning, not just of the episode, but of my last season, and I knew it was going to be my last season, being like, like, enjoy this. Find what, you know, like, get whatever you need to get out of it

and enjoy it. But I have thoughts on the three different marriages, but I want to hear yours first. Wait, first, they took you guys to New York for that, or was that somewhere in Wilmington? No, that was all in Wilmington. Really? Yeah, so they, you know, they used stock footage of New York. And then, you know, when you first kind of see Brooke and Lucas, part of the reason that they shot everything so close with traffic and all those rented taxi cabs was to make it look more crowded.

And then there's that one shot kind of between two buildings where you see New York the skyline behind us. those are those two buildings on front street like that old hospital building is on the right and then whatever's on the corner it's like a bank or something and they green screened New York into that little park pathway

like where you'd always go on the haunted ghost tours and then everything else they shot super close and they had like clothing racks out and all the things to try to make it look like New York and it's interesting because it gave me real nostalgia

for when Brian George came and played the taxi driver with me. And I feel like Brian, Brian having that pedigree from like Seinfeld and everything he'd done, it gave me, watching the whole card dealer sequence

gave me Brian George nostalgia. And interestingly for me, tied together like a feeling of New York and Brooke that I really, as a viewer now, I'm like, oh, I love this. I mean, Brooke belongs in New York. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it works for her. And I loved, I really will say, even though Brooke is having through this episode, she's really being tried, you know, she's got a lot of, like, heavy shit on her plate. I really loved that the writers gave me a lot of funny stuff to do. Like, the sort of flipouts and the outbursts and all of it felt really hilarious. Oh, Brooke was on a rampage. Yeah, just on a rampage and, like, you know, Millie, you're always in a good mood.

And then it cuts to her screaming. And I even saw it in the dream sequence, like when she shows up and it's, you know, Lucas's wife number one and she has him flowers, you know, and it's like, he's like, well, I'm supposed to get you flowers. It's our anniversary. She's like, yeah, but I wanted to make sure I liked them. It's like, it was just perfect. I loved it. I loved it. I loved seeing a glimpse of what Lucas and Brooke might have been together. You know, it didn't feel entirely wrong, which we were saying, you know, before in the last one, like they probably made a good partnership. I could see those two characters working well together. Man, though, when he walked through those doors, the revolving door into his bedroom,

because the New York stuff was great and it was glossy and fun and everything that you love about, like I said, that 90s rom-com thing that gives you all the feels and those two characters together and we love them so much. Well, and you know what I liked about it to your point, Joy, is that it doesn't quite work. Like, you see how they'd make a good partnership. And it's glossy and it's fun. And, like, she's got her company and he's got his book tour. And they're this cute power couple.

But neither of them's really getting what they need. Like, he wants more intimacy and time. He wants to go home. She wants a big city life. Like, I sort of liked that it was sweet, but you can also see it's not quite right. And I thought that's why it was really smart to start on Lucas and Brooke. because I forgot that that's how the episode started. Dude, we all just were like, what?

Like, you guys at home, the three of us were like, what is happening? This is weird. Like, what's going on? And in a way, it's like, oh, yeah, the shoe almost fits, but it doesn't. Half size, too small. He goes through that revolving door into his bedroom and suddenly there's Peyton and it's like all is right with the world. I mean, first of all, Hillary, you're glowing in this episode. Your skin looks amazing.

Your hair looks amazing. makeup looks amazing. Your clothes look amazing. You just were, it was like you were in a whole, on a whole other level, probably personally too. Well, that's it. Remember, you guys, I was like finally single and I was like going to kiss new people. And I just, we just came up from hiatus and like, yeah, we just had been fun. You know, like. Isn't it kind of wild though when people look at you and are like, God, you just look so good. Like what's going on with you? And you're like, I got out of the wrong relationship. I do look great. My skin looks amazing, doesn't it? This what happens when you don't have stress hormones in your body at all times. Less cortisol makes you gorgeous. You looked

gorgeous. And it felt fun to just be like fun and flirty with someone because that's what I was getting to do in real life. It was just like, I don't even have to act. Like this is, I'm just having the best time ever. It so came through and it felt so good. those two together. Mm-hmm. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very

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But then, like, the Lindsay thing made sense, too. Mm-hmm. And you know what I liked about that is that Brooke and Lucas don't quite fit. It's like square peg round hole. They love each other, but meh. Then you see Peyton and Joy, you said it. It's like a breath of fresh hair. You go, oh, that makes sense.

and they look good together and there's like a sweetness and there's a humor and an ease. And then you see Lindsay and you really go, oh, the view into the dynamic of each of those couples, I thought it was so smart that their dialogue was, it's easy with us, isn't it? Yeah, the easiest. And you go, oh, shit, the easiest. Like, who's he going to pick of these two women? who's he going to pick? Like, it gave me pause for a second.

I was like, does Lindsay come to the airport and then does everything blow up? Or is it Peyton? I don't remember. I'm stressed. You know, I love that it's like definitely Peyton because she's... Everyone else has like a life, right?

Everyone else is like, I've got my business. And Lindsay's like, you know, we're going to go do my world. You know, we're going to wear navy and white and play tennis. Yep. You know, cold. Country club stuff.

Yeah, yeah. Payton's like, no, dude, not only am I going to be at home, fires burning, but I'm going to be in your mom's home. Not like the home of our choosing. Baby, I will come to you. Yeah. By the way, it's perfect because in the dream sequence, Lucas tells Brooke he misses Tree Hill. And then Peyton is with him in his childhood home.

Like nothing is more home than that. That's right. The thing about Lucas and Lindsay, as much as I see positive things in their relationship, they really do come from two totally different worlds and upbringings and backgrounds. And I like the way that they interact and it feels like they have a lot to learn from each other. But I don't see like fun, playful, the knowing each other when you kind of come from the same place, the same stuff. Even if it's different countries, different walks of life, different cultures, there's a through line when you grow up with, it's like your bags match. It's a relationship thing I tend to say. You could fit with somebody, but it's not, the baggage kind of has to match. Like, your bags have to match. You know what I mean? You got to like understand each other's baggage. And I feel like Lucas and Lindsay do. I mean, Lucas and Peyton do. Lucas and Lindsay don't. Yeah, that's a good point. I think more than anything, I hated like day. And people would be like, oh, my God, what's your favorite band? Because it's like, this answer is going to change in six months, you guys.

Like, let's not weigh this. Yeah. And Jeffrey was the first person I met that was like, what's your trauma? Where do you want to live in 10 years? And I was like, okay, mister. Because we were both, we were both oldest kids. We were both overachievers and people pleasers that then like kind of crashed and burned. And we both just wanted to disappear into the wilderness.

And it was like, oh, great, we don't have anything in common, really, except for the stuff that matters. The most important things. Yeah. The fundamental building blocks of who we are. Peyton and Lucas have both grown up, just like never quite fitting in, but having to pretend like they did. And they're both sad, but also optimistic in the same way. I just fighting their way through everything, just like trying to make their own way in the world. I don't think I knew that it was going to be Peyton until we got the script.

Like a couple weeks before, just loved it. Well, by the way, I remember getting the script and opening it. Do you guys? It's Lucas and Brooklyn, New York. And I was like, what the? Like, you've got to be kidding me. This makes no sense. I just, like, I immediately was like, I'm just going to get so much shit on the message boards.

People are going to be so mean. All the Peyton and Lucas fans, Jesus. I don't want to. deal with this and then it was like oh this makes sense so i remember how misdirected we all felt being like did it freak you out too oh my god but the whole montage of like haley and nathan and jamie and all the girls think just pick one just pick one but i think what i like so much about it is this sometimes the relationship stuff on our show is like you know it's tv drama it's not realistic it's it's fantastical and we all at times we're like well that got me and at other times we're

like this is insane. Like, how did we ever act these words and make them feel believable? But what I loved about this was that it all felt so real. And to your point about how you figure out how to align with the right person, it's like the idea, like you're, like you were saying, Joy, like Lucas and Lindsay, they have a lot in common, but it's not necessarily the right stuff. They're aligned in their careers. They're aligned in, like, mission. They might want to build the same sort of world, but like, can they sit at home and talk about where they come from and where their pain is and what they want to be in the quiet

moments, Hill, like you're saying you can do with Jeff? Like, this is something I think that is so human. And I mean, my God, we've all witnessed each other trying to figure this shit out for 20 years in our friendships. Like, you get in the arena, you get in the ring, you throw it in and see if it's going to work. But if it's not, if you're not aligned in the right place, it's just not going to work forever.

And I like getting to see somebody figure that, out like what the proper alignment is in all the dumb shit we ever did on this show I think that this is like one of the truest things we've ever done yeah and I think that's why when you walked into the airport and you were like I could feel your heart fluttering through the screen I burst into tears you guys like friends at home we watched this episode and Hillary walked into that airport to run toward Chad and I was like what is happening I just sobbed yeah because it felt so romantic and so true. And I was like, that's it.

Yeah, it is satisfying. It was beautiful. I think I had stayed away from Chad intentionally when we were shooting that because I know we were both excited that it was Lucas and Payton. Because I don't know that he knew either. And we had really fallen into a good rhythm with one another in the previous seasons with the work that we'd done. And I think we were.

excited to finally just like buckle down and do the damn thing and have less drama i remember really feeling excited that i got to run through that airport and like run up to him like like we were so fucking pumped to be able to be together it really and there was nothing romantic going on in our friendship at all it was just we were excited because we knew the fans were going to be excited and we couldn't wait to just, like, bring it to life. I don't miss a lot about acting, but moments like that where your teammate and you are just, like, at the same place. You've been investing in something for so long.

You've been watching, you know, you have been building these characters for so long that to see something happen for those characters that you've fallen in love with and invested so much of your heart and soul and guts into to see them get what they want. It feels good. And I, I mean, I ran through that airport. I was like, y'all need to get out of the way. Just move. And the only other time I've done that in my adult life was at my wedding when everyone was

like, you walked down the aisle really, really fast. I just remember coming in and be like, I got to get up there to him. I got to get there. There's that moment. The sense of urgency is I think what is exciting to me. Because when you're a girl who tries really hard to like, be cool, just be cool, man, be cool. When you feel that sense of urgency. that makes you look like a huge dork.

It's fun. Like you want to bottle that. What a feeling. Yeah. You make me want to dork out and move fast. So they go to, wait, they go to Vegas. I love that he wasn't even like, baby, let's date, right? He was like, let's get married.

We've already dated. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. You guys knew each other well enough. No, I love it. You've proposed. You've broken up.

Like, come on, we're ready. Let's go. Just ask me to marry you. Which she doesn't even give him a chance to do. But wait. Okay, so they go to Vegas. The Vegas set's amazing. The guy looks just like Elvis.

The Vegas set is really good. I wish they'd left that up. I feel like we could have milked that for a lot longer. Yeah. So good. Yeah. That should have been like a Honeygrove episode. Like we should have all gone to Vegas.

Yes. Like friends. I loved the Vegas set. I didn't see anything wrong with it. So when everyone was like, isn't this cheesy? I was like, oh. Yeah, it's Vegas. No, I thought it.

was perfect. Also, I got to say for as much as we had many an experience where we'd come into a set and be like, why? For me and my, I was like, why is everything purple? Like, who picks Barney purple for like a high-end clothing store? What is happening? You guys

walked into that Vegas hotel room and I was like, that looks exactly like a hotel room in Vegas. Set deck nailed it. Like, they nailed it. I really felt like we were there. And I loved it. And I want to give them credit where credit is due. They really killed it.

Wait, but how did Peyton and Lucas get to L.A.? Did they drive and did I miss a scene of them driving in the car? Did they... Yeah, they drove. They drove. And then they were in the car, and actually one of my favorite moments in the whole episode is that it cuts from like a creepy moment with Nanny Carey and Dan, but you hear Peyton laughing, and Lucas, while they're driving to L.A., and Lucas says, I miss that

laugh, and she says, me too. And I was like, oh, that, I know that feeling. Like when you hear yourself get your joy back and you go, oh, my God, I had that experience here in the city the other night at dinner with friends. And we were cackling. And when I tell you, I heard my own laugh before I realized it was coming out of my mouth. And I was like, oh, my God, that feels nice. Like, that feels nice. And it really, it really made me feel emotional to see that, like, represented for you.

And after all the shit Peyton's been through and all the sadness and the up and downs with this relationship and, like, the book throwing and the torture with her and Lucas. To have not only him acknowledge her joy, but for her to say, I miss this version of myself. That made me very emotional. I mean, that's what the episode's about, though, right? Because Haley says the same thing. Haley's like, I can nailed it in the studio. And Nathan says, babe, that's crazy. I nailed it on the court.

You know, everyone. Yeah. Yeah, everybody's getting their sense of self back. And you're right. That does, it catches us by surprise. And it's what, those are the moments that like you really remember yourself. and I'm glad all the kids are getting to have these little bursts of glory. Brooks definitely getting her sense of self back.

I mean, with Victoria coming in, I feel like this is the first time I've seen Brooke stand up to Victoria in a way that feels real, like woman to woman and not like a little girl yelling at her mom. It felt much more like, listen, I'm actually not going to do this with you. This is my company. It isn't lost on me. like the ways that everyone is finding themselves. Like it's really special that in their healthy, long relationship,

Nathan and Haley, I wrote it down that they're each getting back to themselves individually and it's making their marriage healthier. And then you've got Peyton and Lucas getting back to the core of everything that's always been good about them. And they get to be more themselves because they're together. and Brooke has really been on this journey to find herself without anyone else defining her, without a romantic partner, now potentially without a business partner, like really truly finally being able to say, no, this is for me. And it's, let me tell you, it hits.

Like, I get it. And I love, I love that we're getting these versions essentially of us. The three of us of three women in different ways, each really clicking into the core of who they are. Even though their journeys are different, the similarity is like the result. And it feels very cool. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to be.

become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the content of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation

basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for a lot. last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries.

This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your comedy in the midst of the chaos with Victoria, like you had to cry. a lot in this episode and that's not fun but you made it look pretty and you made it look really

like good but also you're not doing like the Peyton cry thing where you're just sad you're also like being real funny first or later or in the midst of it yeah it's a lot you're hitting all the emotional I love that Brooke does that it's a little emotional roller coaster for her but she's so authentically dropped into her body at all times like 100% whatever she's feeling is just what's on her sleeve which is so fun to watch and also looked amazing your makeup your hair looked great you're that blue silk shirt with the roses on it was like to die for so good I loved it and that that my creepy bob was finally starting to grow out and hit like a length that was better for my face y'all were talking about it while we watched the episode it's like ooh

oh better hair better oh better better we got our summer break Do you guys still find that your biological clock is like a school year? Because we went pretty much straight from like graduating high school to doing this show where we shot September through May. And my biological clock is like, well, it's September. We went to work in July. And when people ask me, like, what year was that? I'm like, I don't know.

It was season six. Yeah. Which, by the way, spans over two calendar years. So anytime anybody asks me a question about linear time, I'm like, I can. can't answer that. I'm so sorry. I spent the first 30 years of my life on a school calendar. I don't know what year anything has ever happened. Yeah. I can go by haircuts and colors, usually. When Brooke was on the phone with Victoria, and then, and Victoria's being so rude, and there's this thing that she says, right when she comes into Brooke's apartment, she says,

I don't know why you've been such a snot. And that kind of maternal gaslighting, where it's like, I've told you what's wrong. I've told you what's wrong. I've told you what's wrong. And when you come to me and say, I don't know why you're upset with me, that is one more assault because it means that all the energy and work

I put into telling you and trying to communicate in a mature way. I worked myself up to be brave enough to tell you all the things that hurt. And you said, I don't know why you're upset. I didn't register. Yeah. Well, sorry, Victoria.

And then you call her a Botoxed Vampire. I loved it. And Franken Mom. Franken Mom! Botoxed Vampirous, I was like, oh, that's where it comes from. I love it. They got like an insult generator. Or they hired somebody that was like, I got another one.

It was just so good. And it is interesting what you're saying, Hill. Because when somebody, when you work on a relationship with someone, tirelessly. Or you think you are. Yeah. For years. And then they say, I don't know, this is the first I've ever heard that you're upset. It makes you feel crazy. It does. It makes you feel like an insane person. And I think what was really interesting for me about this dynamic with her was trying to ask people questions about what it would be like to have a toxic maternal relationship. And interestingly, like, and I hope she doesn't mind me talking a little bit about this, but going through the Victoria storyline

really made in my own family, my mom really revealed some things to me about how she grew up. And when her parents split up, there really did become a dynamic with my mom and my grandmother, where my grandmother was really jealous of my mom

and, like, put her through a lot of shit in her teenage years. And I remember, this time in my life talking about how weird it was to try to have this horrible maternal dynamic because I didn't grow up like that. And my mom sharing some shit with me that I just was like, I remember the shock at, I don't know, what were we, 25, 26 at the time of looking at my mom who like, duh, I know my mom's a person. Yeah. But it was the first time that I went, oh my god like you're not this sort of omniscient parent you're not just this grown up you're

you're a girl who's been through shit and like you went through that with your own mom it was this really wild um sort of experience and i think because my mom and i are close and daphne and i were so close in a way this sort of accidental revelation that the brook and victoria storyline caused for me and my own mother, like, it changed my relationship with my mom in this incredible way. And so it's funny when fans are like, God, you know, you always play these characters

or these toxic maternal relationships. I'm like, interesting thing about acting a toxic maternal relationship is it can do gorgeous things for your own family. Everybody does therapy. Yeah. But, like, I had like a visceral memory of that,

maybe because I just went on that trip with my parents. But it was, like, really surreal to be like, man, I remember how this deepened my relationship in my own family. Yeah, it's just like a part of growing up is that people are more complicated than the boxes. We put them in when we're young because we love to compartmentalize things and, you know, assign roles. And I felt that way in my own family too and having those moments with my mom. And it's actually interesting to think about the Victoria storyline that way and think of, like, where did she come from?

Who is her mother? Like, what happened with her? Do we ever see a Brooke grandma in any of the weddings or anything? Mm-mm. Interesting. It's Glenn Close. It's like Corella DeVille. Oh, my name.

It's so good, yes. Well, not to, you know, be too revealing, but when we were talking about some of the dynamics of things, we witnessed in Wilmington as young people. Yeah. Like, that culture of certain families, putting their, young daughters kind of out for these. Offright, yeah. Like, I wonder if that was a bit of the dynamic for Victoria.

Like, did she grow up in a space where her, her household told her that her only worth was to bag, like, a successful husband? Oh, dude. That was the narrative when I was growing up. You went to college to get your MRS. Oh, God. You know, like, I was the oldest of my friends that wasn't married, because everyone else just got married right.

out of college. And I hope that's not still a prevalent thing, but that kind of culture where it's like, oh, man, she's 18. She should either get married or go to school to get married was kind of normal. And like if you would bagged a dude by the time you were 18, there was no reason to go into debt with school. Oh my God. That takes my breath away. Dude, when I got dropped off at college. I was going to a really great school that was attached to a law school. And I remember going on the orientation tour with my parents and being told like, well, hang out where the law school kids hang out. And you can find a husband there. And I was like, or I could just be the lawyer, but it's fine. It's fine. Totally fine. It's a culture thing. And hopefully that tide has turned. I didn't marry a lawyer, you guys.

You sure did not. We got an invitation, now that we're down here in the South, we got an invitation for Maria to join Catillion. You know, it comes in the mail in a nice envelope and all the little RSVP things. And it's beautiful gold lettering and all the nice. Like reading through this invitation, Maria's like, oh, what's that? And I said, oh, it's Catillion.

And she was like, what? You know, we were watching Gilmore Girls, so she's been, she knows all about it. And she's like, mom, if you make me go to that, I will get kicked out. I will get myself kicked out. Yeah, dude. I love her.

I love that kid. Yeah, she knows. Don't worry. I'm not putting you on the market. I mean, there's a lot of great things that come from Junior League. There's all kinds of volunteer things. Baby, you can wear a big pretty dress to other.

You know. You don't need. There are plenty of reasons to wear a dress in this world. Yeah. Well, Ashley Ricards wants to wear a dress. She tries to steal one from books. store, and I'm super excited to see her showing up on screen because she's such a meaty storyline coming up and there's really great actress.

I know. It's so fun. And it reminded me when she came on, I was like, wait a second. When does Brooke get beat up? I can't believe it was at the end of the first episode. But, you know, the dynamic, Ashley Ricard's coming in. This is when we get Evan Peters of American Horror Story fame. And, you know, it's the dynamic of these two kids and then Xavier, the whole.

sort of weird, toxic. I really did, of all the things I had visceral memories about in this episode, some of it was a surprise. I was like, oh, what's happening now? Oh, my God. Yeah. It's the upside down when, like, Peyton's super happy and Brooke is dealing with, like, you basically have your own Ellie situation right now where you're like,

I don't have a mother, leave me alone. Yeah. And then you get beat up by some. dude. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, they sort of are just giving me like Ellie and Psychoderic. Yeah, what do we do with Brooke? How can we just redo this story line? Like,

it worked really well last time. Let's hit her. Dude, but hey, here's the deal. That kind of shugs me because I know. I do feel like that was a punchline they knew would always work. It was like, we don't really know what we should do with this girl. I know. Let's hit her. Yeah. It's kind of. a dark. You know what I will say was, I remembered as it was happening. I had the

shock of like, oh shit, it's the end of the first episode that she gets attacked. I remember the amount of effort because there was so much clamoring about what was going to happen because of the three-way phone call at the end of season five. Oh, yeah. People

were out in the streets every day trying to figure out who Lucas picked. And they tented close-over bros that night to shoot the assault because they didn't want anyone to know brook was getting assaulted but then when we did the turnaround and he comes in and and and pushes me over the um the display and i hit the ground and all those angles are looking out at the street they had taken the tents down and there were like 200 people outside so everybody saw it so the whole internet was like oh my god

Brooke got attacked. And I was like, guys, why didn't we lock up the street and make sure people couldn't be out there watching? Like, you made the crew tent the whole store and then you just took it down for the reverse shot and everybody saw anything ever. And it probably took an extra like, hour and a half. It was so silly. I was like, this was not well planned. You know what I did think was very well planned. And we've talked about this before that Jackson showing up last year, like having a kid on set opened up this whole beautiful like new room

of experiences and because Jackson loved all the music we were all listening to and we would like you know take him out and he always wanted to dance in the hair and makeup trailer them putting Jamie learning to dance from Quentin

in this episode like and when we get to the end and he's teaching you joy I was like I'm unwell like my ovaries hurt this is so precious my insides are melting like Robbie teaching Jackson a dance and then Jackson teaching you and it being this sort of through line everyone's just there's something about like all the basketball storyline stuff feels like season one like it's healthy and sweet and nostalgic and everyone is so happy and oh man that really that brought me a lot of joy. I love to see Quentin integrate himself into the team more like this. Like really, his ego is starting to die down and, you know, he's come such a long way.

Even from when we first met him, when he was so angry and above everyone else, to see him not just integrate with the team, but coming down onto the level of a young person and really getting in with Jackson or Jamie and spending time and investing in him. It's just so, so great. Yeah. We have to talk about the song change, though, you guys. Because I was sitting here the whole time watching it, like, I thought it was a Superman song. I was like, yeah, that does sound familiar. I also don't know the words, too.

And Sophia had to clear it up for me. You guys. It's gross. Well, that song had come out, whatever year this was, 2008, I guess. And they were playing it a lot, like all the boys playing basketball. And Jackson loved it. And I remember it one of James's charity games. it was on and Jackson was like doing the dance and whatever and so I think they wanted to put it

in the episode and then I'm pretty sure Antoine was like do y'all know what those lyrics mean like do you know what Superman at home means definitely was Antoine and then he told everyone and they were like we will be changing the song in the episode we cannot have a five year old dancing to a song about ejaculate like this is not appropriate um I don't really want to say any more about it so if you want to know what the song is about friends at home please look it up and we're going to change the subject. Thank God we changed. Thank God that song got changed.

But it was fun to see them dancing. I liked seeing, you know, it was nice to sort of set up, too, that Nathan and Haley were going to take a little backseat for a while so we could focus on all these other storylines because we know that they're good. Like it just, it was nice to just see, hey, you know what? They've been through, it's all good. We've worked through everything with them right now. We're going to take a break.

regularly scheduled drama with these two and let them enjoy their life a little bit. And I loved seeing them just enjoying their time as a family together. Just being safe. Yeah, feeling safe, having humor. Like, even how powerful, think about how short a scene it was between Quentin and Nathan when they're, you know, shooting at the end. And he says, I'm taking it easy on you because you're back. And he's like, yeah, my back's fine.

It's so quick, but you see the work. You see the mentorship. And like, when our writers really nailed how to communicate a journey, whether a scene was long for some characters that needed it, or a scene was very short, like, the flow of the episode worked so well. And it was nice to see Nathan and Haley progressing through the episode and then getting these moments of unexpected humor. Like watching James and Barbara do that scene where she's topless in the pool was so funny. They were so funny. And then you coming in joy and cracking a joke about naked nannies in the pool. Like I did not expect Hayley to make that joke and I loved it.

And you could tell that he loved it. And like it was just, yeah, everything feels very secure with you guys and it's refreshing. Yeah, we need a secure place because everything else has been so volatile. including Dan. Are we going to go? Do we talk about Danny? I can't believe Carrie hit Dan. Before we go to Dan, I just have to say that the basketball banter,

I love bench talk when the boys are like talking in the midst of action. Yeah, I like that too. Skills asking Nathan if his mom seemed satisfied. Satisfied. I died. Goes down in O.T.H. History as one of the bolzier questions. Just, but it's, to Antron's credit, all of the stuff that he's having to talk about could come off as like creepy and like, I don't know, just like macho dude stuff. And instead he asks these questions with so much like earnest, curiosity.

Like, insincerity. Yeah. Kind of insecurity. Yes, he cares what this woman thinks about him. And, you know, he didn't have a relationship with her growing up because by the time he joined the basketball team, Nathan wasn't even living at home anymore. It's not like she's a mom that he knew.

She's just like a brand new person to him pretty much. And their dynamic is so cute. And I love that Barbara and Antoine love it as much as Skills and Deb loved it. Behind the scenes makes it so much more fun to watch because they had the best time ever. Yeah, they really did. That's true. I loved that any day that the two of those guys were on set, they just had so much fun together. It was a really well-matched personality combo on screen and off-screen.

Nailed it, yeah. I mean, to go from Dan Scott to the clown at the birthday party to skills is quite a trajectory for Deb. I wish it had lasted because honestly. There's a world where I see Debb in Skills just being like, you know what? This actually really works for us. Perfect. Let's just. Let's just do it.

Let's go. Nathan would have been calling skills Daddy. Daddy. It's a very scary. I don't think he ever would have actually been calling him Daddy. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic. or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just a, just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre? Bad faith political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for, everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok, from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make?

Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Dan, Dan, Dan, I interrupted the Dan of it all, but hi, yeah, yeah. Dad. Yeah. Daddy. Ooh. Miserie.

Oh, this was so Kathy Bates. I was just about to say, Tori is doing the most incredible job. That is insane material. And yeah, she is just giving Kathy Bates. It's so fun to watch her. I'm going to say, though, look, this girl is so psycho. And the best thing she can come up with is a hot fork. Yeah.

It was weird. Like hot utensils are bad news But she's like I was at a hospital She's just doesn't she have scalples and teeth clenching But she's not, she's in her house No, but I mean that she stole him from a hospital What I will say I liked about it Is I thought

This is fucking weird It does give you a clue That this hospital is not what we think it is Because at this point we don't know that they're in her house And if that's where she's starting I'm like, where is she going to go? Oh, yeah, because all the jamming of the needles was really... Yeah, I wrote down Nanny Needle.

That's my name for her. Nanny Needle. She was just, like, so needle crazy in this episode. And if you're someone like me that hates needles, I just was like, all right, well, it's time to look at my phone now. I'm going to have to do some other shit while she sorts this out. Oh, I did not like that at all. No.

My favorite part was her jamming the needle in. into his arm. It should have gone through his arm with how hard she jabbed it in. And then she does this little like wiggle when she fixes her skirt. The fixing of the skirt was such a nice little punctuation to the scene. And I like that Torrey peppers her performance with those kinds of details. Because while Nanny Carey is a psycho, she's also kind of proper about things. She's very put together. Yes. She's playing her part she doesn't want anything out of place yeah yeah so interesting um dan it's delicious because we all want to see dan suffer and yet also it's so painful to watch dan suffer

it is really interesting that that the character who is essentially the most hated on our show becomes someone you want to root for because she's even worse like that that required well i mean She's a psychopath who kidnapped a child. But she didn't kill her brother. That's true. She did kill her dad. Yeah. I was taking care of daddy and, you know, he did end up dying, but whatever.

I was like, hmm. Maybe these two really just deserve each other. Wouldn't it have been funny if in another world they fell in love while he was in that bed in the woods? I thought that's what was going to happen. When we were filming all this, I for sure, like, thought. thought, Stockholm syndrome, like, her and damn are going to end up to, like, for sure. Yeah. That would have been interesting, actually. I think that if they had taken more time with that, it could have been really interesting to see that happen.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Loved it. Nanny Needle is totally my vibe. I loved the mouth and milly stuff. Oh, yes. All the wholesomeness in this episode mixed with the crazy violence is giving me a little bit of whiplash, but I'm not mad at it. But weirdly it worked. Yeah. I just send it all up. I can't believe how much we fit in the episode, and weirdly, everything worked. And even some of the little through lines of humor, like, Joy, you had it and mouth had it. You both said you got chills when me and Millie said Victoria to you. Like little callbacks of the jokes.

And, yeah, it's wild how much color was in this. Yeah. And I wanted Millie to stay with me, and I also wanted her to go. And I was like, oh, man, I remember, I mean, just honestly, I loved Lisa so much. I remember when we shot that scene where I tell her she's fired. And like, neither of us could stop crying. Did we really think that, like, we were losing Lee and Lisa? I don't remember.

I knew because Michaela had started working on SVU. She had been hired as the lawyer. We were so pumped for her because obviously we all love that show. And that was also like the era of Law & Order Us for you. And so I used to make up lyrics to the theme song because it doesn't have lyrics. And we used to just like, yeah, we would just make up different lyrics while we were waiting to shoot our scenes. Oh, my God, I love it. That's so good.

So I know that we knew we'd lost her, you know, to this regular job on NBC. But I don't remember what was going on with Lisa and Lee. Everything was always so insecure with our jobs, always, even this far into the show and knowing they're bringing new characters on and knowing at some point Paul went from being a series regular to being recurring because of the budget. And I think, yeah, we probably just had no idea what was going to happen. Plus, Lee, that might have been around the same time he was going off to shoot Zodiac. I can't remember exactly when, but, you know, that might have been part of that too. Yeah, so they needed to get him out for a couple of months. Yeah, that could have been in. but I did love them.

I loved them and I just loved the nostalgia of it. I loved seeing how sweet they were sort of prepping for this future and I loved that they're prepping for their future let Mouth and Brooke be so nostalgic about their past. Yeah. Him coming in with that boy toy flyer, I was like, oh God, here we go.

I loved it. I have his boy toy trading card. You do? Of course you do. He was Peyton's. Date. Oh, my God. Get him in the, what was it?

Remember, it's like the game that we played for Boy Toy? When did we do the boy draft? And Peyton called Mouth. Peyton was like, I want Mouth. And then we wrote Go-Carts or something. Oh, yeah, that was a different thing. But, yeah. That was on that, that partner game night where, like, Brooke was with Felix and

Peyton was with Mouth. Oh, yeah. But I took him from the boy toy auction. And, you know, we went in the limo and we went to the strip club and we did all the things. We've all had our mouth moment. Oh, well, you know. I still think we would have been great. But yeah, the other thing that made me sob in this episode was goodbye, Scarecrow.

I was like, oh, no, it's happening again. I'm crying again. Yeah, because that's, I felt for Brooke in that moment because there's no worse feeling than like thinking everything's going to be good again. She's made this huge move from New York City back home. Everything's finally good with all her friends. Her environment is like stable. She's building there.

And then the people she came down there for are leaving. and it just feels a little like and I she's trying so hard to be brave about it I have to leave to go get my son but I just want to say my honorable mention is Lucas telling Peyton I want to be selfish with you

yes I wrote that down too I have carried that with me when I met Jeffrey and I was like I'm not going to introduce you to anyone I'm not introducing you to my parents or my brothers or any of my friends. I am just making this decision for me. And it felt so good to be selfish for the first time in my life. And so when I heard that, it just like set off all the bells and whistles. And I was

like, yes. I agree. I agree. That's also my honorable mention. I loved it. I'm off to the middle school. Love you very, very much. Middle earth. Goodbye. Middle earth. I love you. I had a random So, okay, when you first see Haley and Jamie jumps up into my arms, and I'm, like, swinging him back and forth and talking. Yeah, when you're in that cute red dress. The only reason we did that was because we ran out of time during the day. Yeah, we ran out of time during the day, and we didn't have time for his coverage. So they were trying to figure out, like, how are we going to do this? And I was like, hang on, hang on, kid, jump up.

So, because they were over my shoulder on him. And they were like, how are we going to? I was like, can I solve this problem for you, please? He jumps up in my arms. and I'm like, I'm going to say my line when I face the camera and then I'm going to twist and you're going to say your line. And then I'm going to twist again and say my line. So that's why I'm hugging him and swaying back. I'm swinging him. Oh, my God, I love it. It's just so weird the memories that pop up. But also, I just think that's interesting for people

at home who have no idea how this stuff gets shot and why you see, sometimes you see something that you think is totally normal, just acting movement, but it's actually running out of time during the day. Totally. I mean, remember Joy, like you were saying earlier about when we all started directing? Like, remember the times where we would just look at each other and be like, I just need you to do this for the shot. We're running out of time. And, like, suddenly we, we were like, oh, now we really understand, like, what the directors are up against sometimes and how refreshing it is when someone will look at you and be like, we just need this for camera. I don't actually, if you can do whatever you want that feels good in any other moment, but in this moment, so I can get from

this scene to this scene. I need a transition, and I just need you to walk here. And you're like, oh, cool. I love knowing the technical stuff. It's so easy. I love that so much because we get treated like with kid gloves so much as actors. And it's amazing. I have seen so many directors come up and do just gymnastics trying to justify a shot or some kind of something. And I'm like, I really, you know, I'll go there because I'm like, if we're going to have a conversation about this, character and their reasons behind what they're doing, yes, let's talk about it. But if it's just like you just need the shot for camera, like, I'm a big girl. Just tell me. Tell me what you need. Well, and what I like about it, you know, it's some of what we're talking about even in the

material of this episode is like, this is big fundamental life stuff we're talking about. And you're doing good scenes. You're making good TV. Like the technical side, you know, of the directing or the camera work is, yeah, you're making art. Like, you're building a chair. And the chair could be like an R& Jacobson, like we'll be famous for 80 years, egg chair. But like, it also has to just hold a human in it. You know?

Like, it's art, but it's a chair. Like, that's kind of it. It's like, yeah, I have character motivation. And, like, also, where do you need my face for the camera? But you just have to tell me. Just tell me, please. I love it. I know.

Well, I don't, I guess my honorable mention, it was such a fun episode um i really loved that opening i guess you know what i think maybe stewart's going to get my honorable mention just as the director he really he really showed up and made something beautiful it would have been easy to make it choppy and and weird but the script was good but um i think that his abilities to make everything feel very fluid and and and follow the music in a way, the music of the movement in our storylines. Made it great. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world,

influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What I told people, I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why? Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies. It's almost a dirty word. one that connotes conspiracy theory. Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

Bad faith political warfare and, frankly, bullshit. We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together. Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy? Benghazi is a rosetta stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years. I'm Leon Nefok, from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries, This is Fiasco, Benghazi. What difference at this point does it make?

Yeah, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Danielle Fischel. Writer Strong. And Will Ferdell. But you know us best as Topanga. Sean. And Eric from Boy Meets World.

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That's true. Get all the info on streaming the live PodMeets World show so you don't miss out. go to Veeps vE-E-E-E-P-S dot events slash pod meets world now. We have a question from Lexi before we go, you guys. She says if you were in Nathan's shoes with your parent dating, your really close friend, I know people that this has happened with. How do you think you would react to the news? I'm uncomfortable.

I'm so uncomfortable. Wait, so you have friends who this has happened to? Yeah, yeah. where their parent has dated someone who's like their friend. It's usually the dad dating. That's what I was going to say. And then you're kind of like, what is this weird friendship? I don't, this is, I don't know.

I mean, in some circumstances, it's worked. I've heard of that once. I can think of a specific couple. You're like one time on earth it's worked and it was great. Yeah, aye, aye. I would stop hanging out with my friend. Is that a horrible thing to say? I just don't know that I would.

would be able to, I don't know, I'd be like, I don't want us to all hang out and go to dinner. It might take me a minute. Eventually, I'd come around if it was a real thing, like if they really were falling in love and it was for real. Yeah. Okay, great. But it would be really weird at the beginning. What would you do?

I really don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable. But again, like, I don't know. I don't know who any of us are to judge anyone else's joy. I think let people give it a shot, like, let them jump in and see. And I think, you know, we've all been in situations where we've watched people we love, do shit, and been like, I hope it works, but I feel like it's not gonna. I'll be around whenever you decide. You want to talk about it, you know?

I just had that conversation with a friend this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Like, ooh, we've been on both ends of that. I just, like, when you talk about your baggage kind of needing to match, like, what would someone, my dad's age, have to say to you at your age? That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Come on. I think it would be an extraordinary circumstance where two people, such an age difference, would really be compatible. So, yeah, it's like, I don't want to judge what's making somebody happy, but also you can, sometimes you can tell, especially if you know people, and it's your family and your friend you know what someone's motivation is or what they're like what's going on i don't know there would be a lot of conversations there'd be a lot of conversations oh boy wow thanks lexie what a strange thing to think about i don't ever want to think about that again sorry lexy she's like jesus i didn't

know we were going to go to therapy today oh should we spin a wheel let's spin a wheel Who is most likely to appear on a kiss cam at a sporting event? I love that. I mean, I feel like it's definitely Brooke and whatever cutie she's dating. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. Yeah.

I mean, probably you too. Like, I'm sure whatever cutie is up your alley, you go to a Lakers game and they're going to be all over you. Honestly, yes. Like, everyone knows I love nothing more than live sports. And, like, now is the, you know, one of the ownership group members of a soccer team. Like, oh, my God, I can't wait to be on a cutie date and, like, make out at a game. Bye. Do you guys do kiss cams?

I mean, no, we do, like, cute fan cam stuff, but we could. I'll make a suggestion. I know a gal. Okay. Yeah. You know where you can make that happen. Yeah. Oh, I think a kiss cam is cutie.

Okay. Next week, I still can't believe we're in season six. Why is this so shocking to me? Like, it's just linear. But next week is season six, episode two, one million billionth of a millisecond on a Sunday morning. Okay. These titles are getting wild.

Well, I wonder what's going to happen. At least we'll start to get some of this wrapped up. Hey, thanks for joining us, everybody. Love you guys. See you next week. See you. Have a good one. Hey, thanks for listening.

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