Drama Queens - The Nanny Carrie Diaries • EP506

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

The Queens share a glimpse into their real life and then it’s straight into OTH drama! Nanny Carrie leads the way with a super cringeworthy moment along with a guest star celebrity bartender.  Plus, find out what Hilarie needed to do to nail a scene that shocked one of her costars!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens. Smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl.

Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. All right. If we're kicking this off, I just want to say, can I get my honorable mention out of the way right away? Do it. Like right away. You guys, the t-shirt that Quentin is wearing in this episode. Oh, God. On the river court. It looks like a penis roarsack.

It looks like three dicks got smashed together and it's all I cared about. Everything else was so like, like, cringy and like, oh, God. But that penis shirt made me laugh so hard. I think they might have been little, like, silk screens of R2D2s, but they looked like dix. Damn, I wish I had noticed that. I totally missed it. You have to go back and pause it when Nathan is talking to Quinn on the river court. Yeah.

You're never going to unsee it, is the right? Well, welcome, everybody. It's season five, episode six. Don't dream it's over. now. February 8th, 2008. Lucas confronts Peyton about her harsh treatment of Lindsay, which ends up in a huge argument over their past. Brooke intervenes when Victoria medals with Peyton's record label, Gurr, and Nathan grows closer to Jamie's live-in nanny, Carrie. Is she living in? I guess I didn't touch that. Why is she living in? I kind of thought she was just

showing up for work every day going home. While Haley is challenged by her difficult student Quentin mouth becomes torn with the loyalty to his co-workers or his illicit affair with his boss, Alice. You know, we're all in really different times zones now with me being overseas, so us, me and Hill and the team watched the episode, but you watched it this morning, Joy,

where were you? I did. I watched it this morning. I was home. Maria did not have school today because it's like final exams week. And we'd help her study for some stuff today. So well, that's sweet. Just I watched the episode on my own a little earlier this morning while she was sleeping. Is there stuff like now

that you're, because you guys basically have teenagers, like, are you reading shit in their books and going, what is this? I don't remember this. How do we do this math? You know, I think about that. No, new math is no fun. We had to make a biome chart last night. I was like, the fuck is a biome chart? What are we doing here? I don't even know what that is. That sounds terrifying to me. It was dumb. Maria, I got her a math tutor because she's blessed in math the same way that I am. Great. And so she was talking with this.

And her tutor is, he's an older guy. He's like a grandpa kind of guy. He's, you know, probably in his 60s. And she's looking through her sheet of all this math. And it's, you know, she writes it. Like, it's all over the page. And he's looking at what the problem the teacher gave her. And it took him a second.

And finally he's like, can we just do it this way? And he showed her the way that we know, like the easiest way to do long division or whatever. I don't know. I think she's in geometry now. And it's like, it took her four seconds. I mean, she just listened, watched it, and she was like, oh. And from now on, it's so easy. But I don't understand why I'm not a teacher. I don't know what the deal is with core curriculum. I don't know where it's coming from or who's making these decisions. But new math sucks, guys. Whoever's in charge needs to stop it. I mean, I thought the old math sucked. So I don't want to know anything about this new math of which you speak.

Guys, I'm hearing from other parents in town. Other parents are like coming up to me at basketball games going, oh, the math teacher hates your kid. And I'm like, how to other parents? Yes, she's made her position known. Thank you so much. Wow. Appreciate you.

Oh, if only we all had teachers like Haley James Scott. Oh, boy. By the way, I was going to say you get one of two options. I had teachers that were my Haley's, like amazing, incredible teachers who rocked my world in the best way that, like, expanded every horizon I knew to exist. And then I think about how your kid could end up with a nanny Carrie. And I'm like, shook. The older I get, the more I realize how realistic it is that there are real, deeply narcissistic, actual psychopaths out there all the time. Oof, and you never know who it is.

And Tori is playing the shifts in her so well. Like she's moving in these ways that are a little slinkier. But then with you, she's very prim and proper. But her wardrobe is changing. Like by the end of the episode when Haley says, good to know there aren't monsters in the house. And she's out in the eye. I was like, oh, my God, I want to die.

I'm so uncomfortable. Like my skin was crawling. She did it. She was doing it so subtly. It's that perfect blend of the dinner table is the best example I can think of when she says he looks great out there. Your rehab's coming along. And it's like it's the thing that makes you go, what the hell? And then you're like, oh, oh, no, I'm reading into it.

It's me. I'm the psycho. Yeah. Yep. Haley's not the psycho here. No. when we were watching Joy and it was the scene

where Carrie's in the pool with the boys and Haley comes in like we couldn't stomach it like you're standing there watching it we've all lived that moment at some point in our lives where we're watching a betrayal

happened right in front of our eyes and you can't react like you have to keep your composure and it made me want to vomit and you see you so deep I mean I so deeply don't and I think Haley does too didn't want to believe

even doesn't, you know, when you see those things happen, you don't want to believe that that's true because it shifts the reality of everything else that you had built a foundation on. So it's like there's so much at stake if that, if a betrayal is true, then you have to unravel all this other stuff from the history. So yeah, it's really hard to, and to watch Haley justify it in her mind and try and figure out and even apologize the next morning. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be, it's me. you're great you're doing so great in what world

is Nanny Carey living in the house with you guys that's so strange I didn't not think that was the case by the way because in the beginning

remember that scene we talked about where you come in in the car and she's like okay see you tomorrow and she leaves they've shifted it

and I think they've put live in Nanny in the episode description because they like the idea of oh now she lives

in the house oh that's why she's there swimming at night. The writers have just decided to shift it. And then they're doing that thing where they're like, no, it's always been like this. And as audience members slash actors, we go, but it hasn't because three episodes ago,

you made me say this. Go home. Yeah. Yeah. Go back to your house. Would she give up the lease on her apartment? But like, do you think when Haley came out in that moment, was she watching the action in the pool and going rut,

or did she hear? Because woof, when you talk about that feeling of betrayal that turns your stomach upside down, when Jamie goes, get me daddy, and Nanny Carey says, yeah, get me daddy. Get me, daddy. I would drag that woman out of that fucking pool by her hair and be like, get out of my house.

Get out. Like, that was so inappropriate. Did you hear it? Oh, God, it is making my chest red right now. Skin crawling. Look at it. Because we're all red in the face. But hey, in what world is Nathan picking up a woman in a bikini and throwing her around in the pool?

Come on. That's his shtick. Because remember when Peyton and Nathan went on their like boy toy auction date, we ended up in the pool and he was picking me up and throwing me around? Yeah. Yeah. That's his thing. Nathan loves throwing a chick around, man. Still this like has this insecurity that just needs to be wanted, needs to be.

Peter Pan. Yeah. And I also think there is a little bit of a like, well, obviously, I don't mean it like that. Everybody's playing. The kids around. Payton's my friend. We were just playing. There is a, there is this like deniability. I think that sometimes handsome men have because they're so used to things going their way that they're like, no, it's not like that. And it's like, well, maybe not for you, you ding dong. They're going to tow right up to that line. But if you don't think that woman, got in that pool, covered in body oil and a little teeny-weeney polka-dot bikini. Girl. On purpose, you're an idiot.

I'm mad about it. I don't buy that. Upset. I wish Haley would have just walked right out to the edge of the pool and been like, yeah, daddy. Yeah. What the hell are you doing? That was so upsetting. And then you let her come to dinner.

Yeah, why was she at the dinner table? I invited her to dinner. I felt so bad for asking her not to wear it. bikini in the pool with my husband. And then she's in a v-neck that goes like almost to her belly button. Yeah. No, so strange. Putting his pants on. Oh, boy. So strange. I wonder if like I probably could have helped that a little bit more, made a little bit more sense in retrospect. I feel like if I had played Haley a little more frazzled in the last couple of episodes where I was more distracted and more like just I don't know as an as a observer now if I was watching if I was doing it again I meant I think I would have done that but that's the ownership that women take which we shouldn't where it's like well if I were paying more attention he wouldn't be paying attention to this nanny or it wouldn't seem so weird and like I was frazzled no Haley is doing everything right everything right and these kinds of chicks makes it more believable that that's why she would have not she would have

it, like not really noticed it if she was distracted. I was like, Haley's smart. Why isn't she seeing what's going on? Well, but most of it's happening behind your back. Yeah, that's fair. And to your point, you don't want to think that that's going on. And like, you know, your kid loves this person and having help is giving you some freedom as an individual. I get how layered that is. I just wish the writers would have had some sort of a line to acknowledge the fact that this woman moved in. Like, just put it in a scene. Just make it clear.

So that we're not going, oh, it's in the synopsis. Like, come on, guys. Tell us. Yeah, my condo burnt down. That's what it should have been, right? Yeah, she burned it down. Yeah. She set fire to her building so she could live with you guys.

Oh, my gosh. Well, okay, there was a lot in this episode. It felt like it was really jumping around and hitting a lot. Do you know what it kind of felt like? Do you remember Hillary when we were on set that one time? I don't know why we did it, but we ran through Les Mis in five minutes. Oh, 100%. This is what that episode felt like to me.

Yes. It was just slammed all together. Yeah, they were cramming so much in. They wanted to do this whole dream sequence for everyone, having a dream that turned into a nightmare. So it starts happy and then it gets dark and it's Jamie and it's everyone. It's you. It's me. And then they also wanted the repeats.

So Alice is a bitch. Peyton is a bitch. Your mom's a bitch. It won't happen again. It won't happen again. They have everybody echoing the last sentence of this scene is the first sentence of the next scene. And so there were so many devices that it made the episode feel a little frazzled. Yeah.

Disjoin it. It was dense, though. Man, start now with that creepy music and Dan Scott in fangs. Oh my God. I was like they did not make him a fucking vampire. Was true blood on at this point? Is this when we were in our like true blood phase? Wait, it was on because Joe got that job like a year later.

Yeah. Joe went from our show to true blood like season five or something. Yeah. Guys, we thought vampires were so sexy. I fucking loved that show so much. I read all the Sookie Stackhouse novels. Oh, God. I sure did.

How come we didn't get to be vampires? Just Dan Scott. man. Dan Scott and Victoria Davis. Yes, Victoria's her own version of a vampire. Yeah, she's like that really mean vampire that hung out with Alexander Scarsgaard on the show. Just, oh yeah, she was hot. Bossing those chicks around. Yeah, the Dan thing, I like that conversation that skills has with Nathan at the beginning of the episode because I've been in that position where it's like, what does your kid know? Because I know what my kid knows. And I want to make sure we're all on the same page. and you're asking me to lie to this child.

Yeah. Okay. I'm just set the boundaries here. And I like the skills felt like he could just tell Jamie the truth. Yeah. I like that too. I think that's a good policy with kids. And it also just made for such good comedy.

Yeah. Like him trying not to blow it again. And then you told him Dan went to prison because he didn't clean his room. It's so. It really was nice. I mean, does that work? I've got a five-year-old right now. You guys report back.

Yeah, that's a fun experiment to try on children. I want to talk about Victoria more, though. This was fun, the Brooke and Victoria storyline. First of all, Daphne looks so fucking amazing. Every time she's on screen, those colors on her, everything. She's just... The hair, everything. ...holds herself like a queen.

It's incredible. Yeah, this was interesting. this constant struggle with Brooke and Victoria to find and Brooke so desperately wanting coming to terms with how badly she wants her mother's love and that moment in the end

really gutted me that was so sad that she has the dream goes and has the moment and repeats it does she sleep in the back of the store I missed that part why did she wake up in the back of the store no she went home that's the bedroom

in Brooke's house but it's like, you know, she's gone home from the night out with Millicent and Peyton and wakes up and goes to the store because she's had a dream about having gone to the store instead of going home. It wasn't super clear. Yeah, maybe just because that's the back of the set. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking something else.

Anyway, that was well done and I made me sad. I know. It made me sad too. And it's funny, as soon as it started. to happen, I was like, oh my God, I remember shooting this with Daphne. And I remember, you know, we shot, we block shot. So we did all my coverage of the happy dream and then into the sad reality. And then we turned around and did the happy dream and the sad reality. And it was really emotional for both of us. It was so hard to have to, you know, play those two

differences and I don't know it gave me one of those like muscle memory sense memory feelings where I was like oh shit I it's like I can feel that hug and and how nice it was for us both to have a great moment especially because so much for her in this episode was so vicious you know vicious with oh me and Lindsay and Mia vicious and Peyton oh like Peyton going out and defending Brooks honor, like a true best friend, and then Victoria saying it's clear you didn't have a mother. Like, oh my God, it was so heavy. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

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alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's the thing. What we normally see in romantic relationships for other characters is what we are seeing in Brooke Davis's female relationships. She's got this problem with her mom, which is a toxic love, where like we see the teasing. We see like a tease of like what it could be because there's that scene where you guys are having brunch together and you're getting pissy about zero is not a size

and your mom is like, oh, we're their models, whatever. And then she tells you to eat and you're like, oh, but I'm a size four. She says, but you're my daughter and you're not a model. You're far too talented. And so we get that backhanded compliment that sometimes you get in a romantic relationship where it's like, no, this person loves me.

Like, they think I'm great. And Brooke tells her friends. She's like, you don't know. Like, she's, my mom's great. She's supportive. She's better. Listen, Peyton's Soria just wants to be your ducky. Payton's Sourri just wants to show up and be like,

she's mine. And I'm the only person that's allowed to tackle her in the front lawn. No one else is allowed to talk shit about her. Leave her alone. Oh, my God, I love that. I love Peyton as Ducky. Yeah. She's your duck.

Yeah. And it's interesting that Brooke goes to bat for Peyton with Victoria. And then Peyton turns around and goes to bat for Brooke with Victoria. And in this way, especially because our two characters have really, you know, found the reconnection, found the bond. We're living together. It's almost like now she's our mom. You know, she's like both of our fucking nightmares. And I love that Haley gets in on it. Hey, is the one who's like, bitch, Toria was waiting. And it's like, we got Bictoria out of this episode. We got Zero is not a size out of this episode. We got, like, we got such, ah, just like iconic, like quotes from our show. It was so fun. Have you ever had to fight one of your friends' parents? No.

It's such a weird thing to have to fight a friend's, like, family member. Yeah, I mean, guys, I'm not one to mince words. And so, yeah, without. going into personal detail, I have had to check some people I love's relatives. And it is uncomfortable because you have to say it with a smile. Like as a girl, you have to present it in a palatable way where you're like, hey, um, look, let's just all get on the same page here. And it is rare that anyone wants to get on the same page with you. Normally it's like, it's so funny that you can do like, I'm, man, I'm so just like, well, that's fucking rude. Just say it. I just say it.

I don't know how you manage to, like, contain and then also presented in a palatable way. That is a talent. Well, because you're trying to love the person that you love, right? And creating a battle with their oppressor, if you will, is not going to make it any easier on them. But, yeah, that's such a fine line where it's like, how do I fight for you but not make it worse? Well, I love that Peyton just takes the risk because clearly it can't get any worse with Victoria. no no like what do you think the first interaction was in third grade where yeah probably where victoria was like this one this is what you bring home yeah it's like a stray puppy

peyton had some good stuff in this episode too um i know we're kind of jumping around but it's fitting because the episode bounced around a lot the episode jumped around so much well we're exhausted well the fact that you brought lindsay to the studio so listen joy oh yeah yeah let's go to the beginning. I can't stop with the patent defense. Like, I'm watching this. Like, why the fuck is Lindsay there? And then when all that dialogue came out, I was like, oh, okay. You're like, turns out I feel exactly the way they wrote me to feel. This is a business endeavor. I don't need Lindsay, like, you know, spilling a drink on the board. Like, she can't come in here. Get out. I get so defensive about it. It is also a weird thing when somebody,

brings an outsider who doesn't have any place in your creative process into your creative work. It's one of the things that I find weird kind of about our jobs. If you were coding at a tech company, nobody would ever stand over your shoulder at your chair and be like, what are you doing now? What are you doing now? What's going on there? And sometimes you'll get to work on a set, which is not nearly as intimate as a recording studio. And there's like 10 people at Video Village were like standing behind the A camera and you're like, who are these people? I have to like fake a sex scene today. Like I don't want those people here. Yeah. Or yeah, like I have to cry. Could you not like, could you not stand in the corner and like record

on your phone right now? Like hold on guys. We got to have like a little bit of a boundary for the thing we're doing in this room that's so intimate. And that's like a bunch of us as actors on a on a stage with a bunch of people and camera guys. But you've built a circle of trust. Well, yeah, you have, they're your family. Like, they're, there are your people. I can't imagine how completely, emotionally naked I would feel as a recording artist. If it was just me in a room and two women that I was working with in the booth. And then suddenly there's just a stranger being like, so what are you going to sing for me today? Yeah, Haley should have known better. Like, you're probably a really nice person, but please leave. Like, come back to Mark.

I guess so I can like know you're coming if you have to be here, but why are you here? Was Haley there to record with Mia? Or was she just like passing through to grab something on her way? I think that's where I was confused. Like were they on their way to lunch? Why would Mia be there by herself? That's the thing. Victoria tells Haley, you're late for the session.

Oh, right. Yes. Which is what makes it weird. So it's like, so did they come to the session together and then they were going to hang out until lunch and then go to lunch. Like, again, this is, this is just not great writing. Like, they didn't make clear what was happening. Yeah.

No, but it is weird that she brought Lindsay, especially not only just everything you said, Sophia, but just even the sheer fact that she's Lucas's girlfriend and Peyton is Lucas's ex-girlfriend. And it's already been tense. Why would she do that? Another reason why Haley should have been really frazzled and just distracted and, like, overwhelmed. You know, it's like, give her a free pass.

She's just completely overwhelmed. Yeah. I just figured that Haley was, like, forcing Peyton's hand a little bit in like a loving way. Like, I know you're going to be fucking weird about this and I'm not going to let you make it weird. You know, like, that's a reasonable girlfriend thing to do. And it's irritating for Peyton.

It's irritating for Hillary Burton, who totally aligns with my character. Yeah. Because they're like, get to the fuck out of here. Yeah, but do that on like a shopping day or like a lunch. Don't do it in a professional endeavor. But don't you think that this is one of those things that happens on a, TV show because they need to do certain scenes in certain sets. And then they're like, we're going to do this combo.

And we're just going to make this happen. We got to get them together. So she'll just go with her. And you know there's always one person in the room going, don't you think that's weird? And everybody else goes, it doesn't matter. We don't have time. Yeah. Here's what I want to know.

Why doesn't Lindsay have a job? She's never working on anything. Lindsay's just going to lunches, going to dinners, pop it into Peyton's place, going to close over bros. Lindsay's just bugging everybody. Yeah, and why doesn't she always have a manuscript on her? If she's an editor, she should always be reading something. Yeah. Well, apparently she's waiting on Lucas to write this book. Yeah, just waiting on this dude. I'm mad about it. Speaking of Lindsay and Lucas, this, my brain is going now to the fight that you guys had, which was so good. But when he walked in and sat down in the studio, it felt to me like Lucas really was actually the emotional center of the whole episode that it hadn't grounded until he walked into that.

room into your office and started talking to you because I realized all the other storylines everybody was buzzing on this like high energy drama like trying to solve problems and kind of scurrying around and Lucas was the only one who was calm and dropped in which was nice to see I feel I feel like I hadn't seen that from him in a while do you mean when he comes in to tell Peyton she has to apologize and then offers to help her like in the beginning of the episode. Yeah. That's right.

And then they got into a, they got into a fight later. Was that was later or the same? Yeah, there's, there's two scenes and trick. And I loved filming these scenes with chat. We had Tom Wright as our director, who I'll say it a million times

was just a favorite of mine on multiple shows that I've worked on. I've done three different television, maybe four different television shows with him. He's just wonderful. And, I remember really trusting him because we're having to deliver all this backstory in these two fight scenes and get out all this exposition and stuff.

And we both feel 100% right in our approach. Like he really thought it was appropriate for him to show up and be like, I'm going to be the peacemaker. And Peyton like 100% feels she's right to be like, I need to avoid this with you at all costs and I have a million other things going on and watching the show back like I remember Peyton catching so much shit for like oh she broke up Lucas and broke and she broke up Lucas and Lindsay and Peyton is avoiding him at every turn she's just like pass pass pass pass he's the one that keeps showing up and so I need that to be acknowledged but him saying

can I help you and her saying no like if she were trying to reel him in it would be like you know it would be great could you maybe stick around no just leave me alone so I can get over you and get on with my life and start living other things and having other dreams yeah that's what the fact that it all came out it was like pushing pushing away I can't remember what he said that really launched you into your thing about the books and but it was it felt so real the progression of that scene was so real and so visceral. I just thought it was so well done. It was my favorite scene in the episode.

It was the best written scene in the episode, too. He says you didn't think I could do it. Yeah. That's what it was. Ew. Which is so shocking to Peyton because it was like, wait a second. Yeah. Hold on now.

But also that that would be the thing that was such a turnoff for him that he could get over her. Yeah. But he didn't. He clearly didn't because he would. was so upset in the office saying to her, I proposed to you. You don't go in and fight for somebody that you're not still connected to, that you don't still kind of want. But what I thought was really interesting about it and what made it feel so real to me is exactly that moment you're talking about Joy, because he's yelling saying, I did this. I asked you. And you said no. And you gave up

on us. And she's like, you're writing a story. That's not what happened. I said, I'm not ready. I said, we're 19. I said, give me time. I said, I want to marry you. I want to be with you forever. She's reminding all of us in that scene of exactly what she said. And you do really realize, like, oh, he's telling a story about what happened. Yeah, he only heard one thing. Yeah, because he didn't get what he wanted and he didn't get it the way he wanted it. And so he threw it all back in her face. And it's so vindicating that she gets to say, you're the one who gave up on us. Yeah.

Because you didn't get it your way. And I thought that was so special that he didn't get it his. I mean, it could have been that he didn't get it his way. I think I saw it as he, his expectation was at a certain place because it was so vulnerable. Like he was really putting everything out there. And when it didn't turn out, it's not, I don't know so much that it was like his way, like he was throwing a fit as just the expectation of if I'm going to put everything out there, you got to put everything out there too. And just because it didn't come out the way

he was expecting, he couldn't adjust. Does that make sense what I'm saying? It didn't feel to me like he was throwing a fit. It felt just like he just didn't know how to adjust. He didn't know how to hear it. We've said in the past couple weeks, because our characters keep reminding everybody, we're 21 years old. And this is such a 20, 21, 22 year old fight to have where, you know, he's allowed to be kind of bitchy and be like, oh, you didn't want me. But now that I'm a successful writer, now you want me, which is, ugh, gross. It's so gross. But it's also, like, it's like kind of what it looked like from his angle.

And from Hayton, I remember having trouble with the blocking because we'd done the first scene and they were like, don't cry in this, Hillary, don't cry in this. You got to hold it up. Don't cry in this because there was a part of me when he was like, can I help you? that just wanted to scream, right? So hold it in for the second one. And then I just didn't, I couldn't figure out what to do

with my energy in that second one during the blocking rehearsal. I was I was like, do you just want to whip those books at him? And I was like, yes. I do. I really do. Yeah.

And so I was whipping those things across the room. And there was one that did hit Chad. And you know when you do something and you don't know what the reaction's going to be? And he loved it. He was just like, oh, God, this feels so real. Like, he was so game for it. But when we watched the episode, we were talking about how in that fight scene,

Lucas goes in there and totally bates Peyton. She's calm. She's calm. She's calm. He starts making wild accusations. And then when she finally loses her shit, I did this thing where I, like, covered my mouth. And that was a total, like, natural reaction to spit in all that venom out. And he threw his hands up in the air.

And I think that was like the only takes that we did. And it was like he couldn't handle her crazy. He'd driven her to the brink of crazy. He was like, oh, you're being irrational. Oh, you've gone too far. God, he makes her nuts. He's the one that went down there, though. Why do you come looking for it, man?

That's it. And what it reminds me of, and I guess the reason I say, like, you know, they wrote it, they wrote Lucas to be unable to tolerate anybody's reality but his own in this situation. And it really harkens back to some of that stuff that we all identified in like the beginning of high school going, oh shit, now watching it back. You realize there's a narcissism under this person who, when he's with Peyton, he goes and he provokes Brooke and he checks in on Brooke and he wants to know how she's doing. when he's with Brooke, he's always going to check on Peyton and provoking Peyton. And I like, I saw that. And part of me likes that the writers brought it back because you go, oh, there's still

a little bit of a child in there just like there is with Nathan. He's throwing Annie Carey around the pool just like he did with Peyton. Yeah. Like you see, we're 21. You see them in there. I don't even know that it's like clinical narcissism so much as just selfishness and insecurity. It's like little boys that just don't grow up yet, like every little kid.

I think Dan Scott is a clinical marsticist I'm not saying but you know what I mean it's the tendency it's the trait and it is that thing of like most women because of the way the world is for us like we suck up

not getting things the way we want to get them we're not very used to getting our way when the fuck do we ever and when the boys don't get their way they lose their fucking minds yeah they implode and his immaturity and his his need

to keep her on the hook and yet to bling her for it, I think the scene feels so beautiful because it feels so real. It feels so messy and human. And I love that Peyton gets to be like, oh, fuck you. Like, not a then. You've been doing this to me my whole life. And it's like, it's so, oh, it's like, it's so vindicating when she's whipping those books at him because you're like, yeah, man. Like, he's, he's got to realize what he's doing. Yeah, you took this from me. I didn't take it from you. I was, I was ready. I wanted to be there with you. I wanted to do it. I just needed to go slower, man. That's it.

Yeah. It's all. Dude, he left a dinner party with his girlfriend to come and have that conversation with Payton. You're right. I didn't even notice that. And his girlfriend who, by the way, drives by, go into their house and sees his car next to Peyton's car. Oof. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred

of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with. with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern

world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And here's what I don't like. is piss me off. When Lindsay at the dinner table is all like, oh, Peyton showed up because she's got some weird territorial thing

about Lucas. Peyton hasn't reached out to Lucas once. Once. Not once. Wow. Yeah. So what's he going home to tell her? Oh, sorry.

I ran into Peyton. Sorry, she just needed something at the office. Yeah. Oh, God. Barf. Barf is right. Wow, that's a really good point. Why were you in your underwear on that bed?

in her dream. It was his dream. It was his dream. It was Lucas's dream. Did you have a fight about that? Yeah, I did have a fight about it because they wanted me seated like, like tits up. Of course they did. Yeah.

Right? And I was like, I'm actually going to hide more as much of my body as possible. So I'm going to lay down and have real big hair. So all you see is feet popping up in the back. It was very like, I mean, it was very like pin up girl cute. But I just knowing everything I was like, I wonder if she had a fight about that or if that was just. That blocking was for sure a fight. Yeah.

It just seemed. so dumb. Like you could have been wearing a short little black slip and it would and would have had the same effect of just like looking sexy on a bed. I could have been fully clothed. You could have been fully in jeans. You could have been in the t-shirt with the long sleeve in the jeans and been like when he proposed to me. You could have been in the outfit from the proposal. Could have been. Yeah. Instead, tits up. But that was Tom Wright. Again, I could say to Tom Wright like, I don't want to do it. And he'd be like, baby, just do it however you want. Well, here's what I am going to say,

if I can plunk us out of the like, ick of always being asked to be in our underwear on our show and just from like our adult perspectives acknowledge that you looked smoking fucking hot. I'm going to do it. I was like, damn, girl, because you're right, Joyce. She looked like a little pinup character. Yeah. And I got to give props for your Hottie McHoddy moment in this episode.

and for us getting spicy Hoti McCottie Joe Manginello He's so spicy I forgot how spicy Owen is with Brooke Joy, we were watching the episode and we both were like, oh my God, oh my God, like he's very forward

he threw the vibes and y'all you both did really great why didn't we have bartenders that look like that in real life in Wilmington I mean, we did sort of, but if we flip it to Stephanie. Yeah, there were hot chipped bartenders. There was no, there was no, there was no Owen.

Yeah, no, there was no, I like Owen because, you know, he's doing that kind of douchey guy move of like, I don't know who you are. But like, I really got the sense. He had no idea who she was. Same, no idea. It was such a good move. Can you sign this? Yeah, who do I make it out to? A trick for $37.

This is so good. It was so good. I also love him being behind the bar for all these interactions that Brooke is having with female fans of clothes over bros, girls who wear her clothes. And him being like, I know how I'm going to hit on that lady. I'm going to fuck with her. Like, it's such alpha energy. It was spicy. He's playing a long game.

Yeah. I'm into it. Yeah. I liked it. But remember when they cast Joe? We all were just like, he is tall. He was so large. He's so tall. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. And him and Paul would like stand next to each other. And it was amazing to see two like Viking giants. Gigantic man. I just loved knowing because that was all of our first interaction on camera. Like the look on your face, Hillary and the look on Lisa Goldstein's face, like y'all were not acting. No, it was real.

Lisa did her little nose touch that she always used to do. And then it became Millicent's thing, but that was Lisa all the time. And I was like, oh, everybody's blushing. This is great. Well, because he came in, and he was so nice. Like, he was incredibly kind and was kind of nervous, had like a little bit of a nervous energy. And I remember me being nervous because he was so physically large. like yeah and i said something really lame to him in the transpo van one day i was just like

your bigness kind of creeps me out because i was trying to explain to him why i need like i was like leaning back and i didn't mean it as like mean i just meant like you're really big and it is intimidating and as a woman yeah i feel vulnerable around it and i don't like the way this is feeling and so rather that i was just trying to explain myself and i i i really He stepped in it. And he was just like, I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, don't apologize for being large. You're like, I'm just trying to tell you why I might be awkward around you.

Yeah. I'm the awkward one. Let me apologize. Let me explain how awkward I am. Give me 10 minutes. Hold on. Yeah. Let me just give you a little diatribe.

If I remember correctly, I think Joe is like 6-5 or 6-6. Like, he's a big, big dude. He's very tall. And I remember only realizing, like, Obviously, I knew he was a big dude because Brooke and Owen had a whole vibe. So I wound up spending a lot of time with him. But I only ever realized what it meant to be that tall. Ironically, one night I was out playing pool with Lee Norris and Joe and Jane Beck

and a bunch of our friends from work after we'd wrapped a scene at Trick. And somebody dropped a beer bottle and I had sandals on. And Joe went, joink, and just grabbed me by the shoulders and picked me up and lifted me out of the glass and I remember being in the air going oh my god this is how tall you are like wow you see the bottom wow the floor is so far away from here because he just lifted me right in front of his face and moved me over and it was like I was essentially like Jackson's size I was like a child he just picked me up and moved me and I was like whoa you you see like the floor is so far from your face yeah it's not

far from my face. I've never known what that is like and we just died laughing. I love that instinct. Strong men using their powers for good. Yeah, it was really nice. I remember getting in the van with him one day and being like, hey man, what did you do last night? And he was like, you know, I went on a ghost

tour by myself. And it was like he had said the magic words. I was like, who are you? We're going to be pals now. Yeah. He did a movie with my husband. right when I gave birth to George. And so I was still like, yeah, I literally had given birth to a baby like four weeks before.

And I'm on a red carpet with like eight pairs of spanks on. And I look up and I see handsome Joe. And I'm like, of course you're here. Still awkward, Joe. What do you want for me? How you doing? Give me a hug, but not too hard. Don't freak me out.

Yeah, God. You're just. Yeah, no, he's lovely. He's so lovely. How long does he stick around? Is he around? He's here for a while. He's back in season eight, nine.

He came back? I think we have him in five and six, if I'm not mistaken. And then we lost him for a while because he got that big part on True Blood. He got famous, man. Yeah, he got real famous. Did he wait? I don't think he got True Blood until later. It was while I was still on the show because I remember being like,

you dumbasses lost him. You lost him to the werewolves? Come on now. Okay. My timeline's all mixed up. I just remember him working out incessantly for this part and to play this werewolf. And I don't even remember if it was an auditioner. I think maybe he did have the part, but he was training for it. And he came in and he was sick one day. He had a cold. And he was like, clearly very sick. He was like, yeah, I got to go to the gym after this. It's like, dude, why don't you just go home and sleep? Like, you're sick. Your body needs to heal.

he's like what did he say it's like sickness is a figment of your imagination and it's like your body like your subconscious knows that you're that you want to stop because it's hurt so much to train so it's manifesting a sickness to make you stop and you have to push through it I have never forgotten that and there are days when I don't want to work out and I'm like um am I pretending to be sick because that's what Joe Mango said honestly incredible yeah I'm real into it um and I like that we get to see Brooke be flirty but not prioritize it like she's like yeah that was fun I'm with you guys yeah great I also love I just love the dynamic the the friendship dynamics feels so strong like you teasing me about dating and then millicent coming in and you know saying there's nobody special

yeah you can be fired do you know that and i hackled when peyton said yeah but then she'd just come work for me and you'd still be paying her i was like that is just so funny and like i love when we get to see us all being together as women and the energy is up and everybody's having a good time and you're Right. We're not prioritizing these dudes. And I think maybe that's what makes that contrast when Peyton gets ambushed by Lucas again. By the way, ambushed. Just like you fucking ambushed her with that engagement ring. Girl? Comes and ambushes her in her office. In Brooks party, ruining her night. Every single time. You can do better. Woof. Leave me. So annoying. God, I just had fun with my friends. I just got Mia to agree to finally

like write this record? Yes. She's Vogel was so cute in this episode. What a sweet little lamb. Oh, God. That speech that she delivered about if I can just make, you know, a listener's experience better for five minutes. That whole thing.

She did that so beautifully. And as I was watching that scene, I was like, God, I forget that this was like, Kate's first acting job was our show. Yeah. And she just is so honest. and present, and it was really beautiful that scene between the two of you. And it, like, that scene makes sense where she's like, I don't need the money, I don't need the fame, I just want to write a song that makes someone's day okay for five minutes when

they're real low. And the whole time she's giving that speech, all I can think about is that heart song, Barracuda, because if I'm having a bad day and Barracuda comes on, I'm like, those bitches nailed it. They nailed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's my five minutes of magic. Anne and Nancy really came through for you. They sure did.

No, I like that sentiment. So sidebar, the passenger train that exists in Tree Hill apparently? Quentin reading his book on the train. Is he on the subway? He's on a subway. He said the train? You've never, ever seen a train in Tree Hill. And never since, I don't believe.

No. No. There's no public transportation. It wasn't a bus. It was a train. Literally the only public transportation that exists in Wilmington is the trolley. Yes. That would have been hilarious, though, Quentin on the trolley.

Ding, ding! Or those carriages. I mean, I would have been into it. I also, hats off to Robbie, because I loved the way he came into your dinner party, as random as it was. Yeah. And said, I'm going to do this and essentially makes a mess. with his teacher and his coach. And then by the door, he's just a dick to Nathan.

And I'm like, God, this kid, because just when you think you're getting him, he doesn't let you have the payoff. And as frustrating as it is, because I'm like, just let these people help you. It also feels so great that he just doesn't, he doesn't have a reason to trust them yet. And he's not going to give it up too soon.

It's nice. Well, Nathan's comeback was perfect. He's like, he's like, when I'm back on the team, I'm going to crush your scoring title and I'm going to erase you. And Nathan's like, yeah, yeah, I would have said the same thing. Anyway, later, dude. Hope you do. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the

modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was cool to me that what seemed, at least as a viewer, to have cracked that facade, for Quentin was Nathan being honest with him and and when Quentin gets in his face asking where his team is and you know essentially telling Nathan he's a washed up athlete James made this choice to be really quiet and still and just say yeah I have a team my uniform is regret mistakes and he just was like join join my shitty team if you want it my wife and my brother they're giving you a chance

Like that was all in the subtext of his performance. And it was so effective. Yeah. And it was nice to see that that got to him. And then that Robbie made the choice to try to kind of come back and act invulnerable with him. That for me made it feel clearer that he really was feeling vulnerable. Yeah. Everybody's being so provocative in this episode.

Maybe that's like there's so many fights being picked. Yeah. Even Mouth's boss. Yeah. Oh, my God. We have to talk about that. But yeah, so we've got Robbie poking Nathan in the chest. We've got Peyton, poking Lindsay in the chest.

Lucas poking Peyton. Yeah. And then Victoria, poking Brooke. Carrie, poking Haley. It's like the whole episode has been turned up to a boil. You know when like a pot is on the stove and the lid is rattling? Like this whole episode feels like a rattling lid. That's a great analogy for this episode, actually.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Out pops naked nanny Carrie. at the end. Full boil. Full boil.

I mean, it was so uncomfortable watching her put those pants on. I couldn't, I really actually couldn't watch it. No. Dude. On what planet is this guy not like, she's got to go?

Dude, James's face in the scene where you're having your nightmare and you walk in and he had Carrier making out. He looked really happy to be making out. For real. By the way, his face in this whole episode when she's putting his pants on,

when he turns to you and they're making out. I was like, oh, I don't know. Like, is he acting? What's going on? What's going on with Baby Jay over there? Like, no chill. He really looks like caught. He was so happy to have somebody else to make out with.

That's why he'd been kissing me for like four years. Joy, I think he legitimately was worried you were going to be mad. Do you know what I mean? No, he wasn't. No, you know when you have an acting partner for so, so long that when there's a shift in the dynamic. Yeah, it's a little. Yeah, it's an unconscious loyalty, but, but also it shakes the dynamic. And I could feel James being like, hey, this isn't going to change anything between us, right? Like, we're still cool, right? Are we okay? We're fine. We got a kid. Come on, baby. We could

work through this. Oh, my God. So uncomfortable. Okay, so the mouth boss stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, I, I'm struggling with this storyline so much. because it's like literally the fight that I had with our boss in season four and then it gets put on camera and it's like... As a woman. Well, yeah, it's like a way

to get out in front of it in a way where then if it's like, oh, Hillary tells the story, she's just taking that from the narrative of the show. Like, yeah. Whoa. Getting out in front of something

is a skill. Yeah. And to make the woman the villain to write a storyline with things you have said to your employees, oh, what, you're not into me? Well, maybe you're not going to be long on this show. Yeah. Maybe you're not good for on camera. Yeah. To flip it and make it a woman. Yeah. That's really intentional. It's not that women can't do that. I mean, there are, there are totally doesn't matter which sex you are.

Like you can be, you can treat people badly. But the fact that it was specifically taken from that personal situation and then twisted and put into the mouth of a woman on purpose. Yeah. Because he was trying to dig. That's so gross. Well, look, I mean, the narrative in the show is that the group of coworkers have all gotten together and been like, there's a problem here. And that person is toxic.

And someone needs to stand up to them. And the one that does is secretly hot for her. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And the one that does in public gets fired. Mm-hmm. it feels so yucky and you know what that might just be me reading into it i am grown up enough

to be like i'm sensitive to the meta of it all it could just be a a big old co-winkadink that's very big of you i doubt that it is yeah i co-sign what joy said i appreciate that about you hillary yeah i oh god every line and every well well just pisses me right i hate it now too I hate it. We hate it. Like three different characters in this episode are all like, well, well, well, barf. It's not enough just for Chris Keller to have that line. Ugh.

No, now Dan Scott is talking like the kids. I got to be honest, the only person that I don't hate saying it is Chris Keller, because Tyler's just delicious. And he's supposed to be a douche. When the rest of us had to say it, I was like, oh, now you're just getting greedy. Now you're just being gross and like pissing on trees. Stop it. Well, hopefully Mouth stops dating his boss because I don't, I'm tired of that whole storyline.

And I'm super excited that Millie thinks that Mouth is really cute. And I can't wait to see that develop more. Oh, my God, the hot guy from the opening and then the duck. That's funny. So cutie. She's so immediately likable. Like right away, it just feels like she's part of the pack. And yeah, that's a cool vibe.

I, she sure did a good job. She just adds such lovely energy to our show. And Lisa has such amazing comedic timing. Every little thing she does, the way she drops behind the counter, the way when Daphne walks in, she goes, I'll be in the back. Like, she just has all these little things that really jump off the page. And it's like such a testament to who she is as an actor.

And it feels so exciting to think about where her character goes. Yeah, she kind of functions on pure instinct. It seems like it's, which is really refreshing. There's not, I'm sure she rehearses and does her own process. But I love that on set, it feels like whenever she's delivering a line, she's just in the moment and fully reacting with exactly whatever she's actually feeling. It's fun to work with. It's so cool. And it's just exciting. When I think about all the years of material we got to do together and where even for Melissa and Brooke, where zero is not a size winds up, you know, it's. a big, it's like a big arc that we're endeavoring on and it was cool to see. I really didn't know that that was happening in this episode. Yeah. Can I, when you and Victoria were at lunch having that conversation, these are the kinds of things that I think about that drive me crazy that sometimes I just have to let go. Does it bother either of you that they're clearly done with their lunch or like well into their lunch and now they're having the relevant conversation? Like, how did they get through?

How did they get through arriving at the restaurant, sitting down, ordering, and eating half their meal before the major conversation came up? Yeah. Prop food has always confounded me. Prop food is hard. I remember hearing that, like, Brad Pitt always ate an apple in everything because he, like, loves prop food. Like, he's always eating something in scenes.

And I remember being so irritated with that. I hate prop eating. Prop eating. It's terrible. I just don't get why they, like, why couldn't they have been arriving at the restaurant and have the meat? Like, why? This is the kinds of things that drive me crazy. Come and sit down and I'm like, why is there a half-eaten plate of food in front of me?

This would have been the first thing that I had to say to her. So how did we? But audiences, maybe nobody notices that kind of stuff. Well, but I would also say that Victoria is like such a business person. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a lot of like ticking of things. And then it's like, okay, we've done all the work. Now I have to talk to you. By the way, yeah.

Okay, fair enough. Good. Thank you. That's how that would have gone on set. I would have been like, this doesn't make any sense. And Sophie would go, well, actually, we could have done it this way. And I would say, oh, okay. I feel like that would be it.

Because, yeah, it would have been interesting if, you know, you'd seen them get out of the car and be like, okay, we really need to, whatever, and then get seated and get interrupted. But we just don't have the luxury in 42 minutes. Nope. I am. It's funny now thinking about that. storyline and thinking about you know brook kind of taking agency with resetting the macy's meeting and saying like i do have a mind for business i can do this i have good ideas um god it's really wild to remember how many people loved zero is not a size yeah and also the people who

got really mad about it people got mad about it people got mad about it people were like It's just the reverse of fat shaming, like to make fun of skinny girls and to, and I was like, eh, that's not it. Also, please go on the internet and do a little bit of research that a size zero didn't exist until like the mid to late 60s. Like, really? I thought it was going to be like 80s. No, I don't think so.

I think truly, apparently, if I'm remembering correctly, because I looked this up then to make sure I knew what I was talking about when I got asked about it. So if my, if my math is a little off or my memory is a little off, feel free to let us know, but please do it kindly. I believe that it all kind of came to be because of that model Twiggy, that like super, super skinny girl who essentially didn't fit into things. But, you know, the notion, and the thing that really stuck with me was reading a report from a psychologist who specializes in Disordered Eating, who said the idea that we could tell people that to be nothing is the ultimate attainment.

Like if you had sizes like 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, which happened in some countries and where you start at 2, 4, 6 and you go up to, you know, 22 or whatever, wherever we go, people have something to them, but like what it does subconsciously to say to someone. Well, the smallest you can be, which society tells women is the best they can be, is nothing. And then in the 90s, you had, I don't know if Abercrombie did it first. I think they did, but again, I could be wrong. The double zero, man. Yeah.

Yeah. Where they introduced the double zero. And that they correlated that with eating disorders and all of these things. Yeah. I was like, we got to talk about this. It's weird. Like, we don't do this to men. I don't think men have a size zero.

It's just women. you know and I I was really proud of us for having that conversation and really excited about it you know I thought that it was really important and I don't know I guess I'm curious as we get back into it on the pod I'm curious to hear what our listeners think as they rewatch these episodes with us I mean hopefully it feels like a no-brainer now the fact that it was like kind of shocking back then to make this declaration and hopefully now it's just like well yeah duh

yeah obviously yeah we like a duh is that okay so I already gave my honorable mention of the penis Rorschach but what are your honorable mentions for the episode?

I liked Peyton's lightning t-shirt at the beginning if we're giving honorable mentions to clothing items I have two I would say the actors I would say the actor

I would say the actress who played Molly for your beginning scene that like seeing you go back to your childhood home and seeing your bedroom and the shelves with this new paint and this new person it made me really nostalgic I cried through that whole scene it really hit me and the other honorable mention is that vintage um coral colored telephone chair that Mia is sitting on in that scene in trick because that is the chair that I literally shoved in the back of my station wagon for you when our show wrapped and I yanked it out when like when all the stages were getting cleaned out the front legs are broken there's like split fabric and I was like I'll have it repaired I don't

care I'm taking this for Hillary so I have I have that and by the way all of this is still in storage because right after we wrapped I moved to Chicago so like I really got to go through my storage unit. I have the red fringe lamp from Trick from the OG days. Trick was so fun. I know. And I have that telephone chair and I was like, I'm taking these for her. And if I get in trouble, I don't give a shit. And so to see that, I'm like, oh, I got that. I haven't wrapped in plastic in a storage unit in the valley. I'm going to get an RV in the valley, load up, make my way back cross country when you said that was the chair i was like that's the chair that's the one no she like joy she like fell out of her chair i loved that set so so much it was great set was the best set when we would

wrap work i would stay after work with mike rail and matt fan and polar bear and a bunch of the other dudes and we would have band practice for like two hours after work and just drink beers and hang out I love drinking beers in the trick set. Loved it. It felt like a cool bar, our very own private little cool bar. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for, like, of hundreds of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You guys, we have a fan question. Okay. Ooh, what is it? From Wendy, as far as careers go, if your lives had turned out exactly as you had pictured they would as teenagers, what would it look like now?

I mean, as a teenager. Yeah. I always just wanted to be on Broadway. I would just be living in New York with a family and being on Broadway. And that's all I would be doing. I really thought I was going to work for the government. Real glad that didn't pan out, guys. I went to college for forensic psychology and, like, criminology and stuff.

And I just remember them handing me this big binder full of autopsy photos. And I was like, okay, this is my homework. Like, this is what I have to study this year. And realizing how unsuited I am because I get so emotionally attached to things that it was not a line of work that I was going to be able to do long term, but that I wanted to be able to support maybe later, which is like what I'm doing right now. But I, for real thought I was going to be Clarice from Silence of the Land. Yeah. Minus the kidnapping. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Just an old country bumpkin solving crimes. I mean, you kind of do that now with your show, by the way. It's a, yeah, it's a different entry point. Yeah, but you figure it out, right? Like, I don't know. I guess it would depend on what teenage year because there was still a point. Yeah.

Like, in my early teens, I still thought I was going to be a heart surgeon. Like, I was going to medical school. dude and then suddenly i had this arts requirement that i thought was such a pain in the ass i was like what do you mean i have to do play stupid dumb so mad dumb and then i did it and was like oh it's weird it's like literally my favorite subject in school comes off the page and to life my parents were so thrilled when i yeah i bet i was going to say what did your parents say oh that's great babe theater school here we are Now I'm just doing eight shows a week on the West End.

So. Yeah, Mama. It's so awesome. So crazy. All right. Do we want to spin a wheel? Yeah. I like for this episode.

The season's going to really wild places. I'm into all of it. I'm happy with, I'm happy with this season so far. What? Ooh. Most likely to be a secret superhero. I mean, we have a question mark. Okay.

Characters. Most likely to be a secret superhero. Who's got like an underground layer? Who's making those choices? I mean, I think it would be Nathan Scott. Like, he's the Bruce Wayne of Treyhill. Like, he doesn't have any powers, but he's got money. And we've seen him in a Batman suit.

Like, you know. Yeah, his dad's a bad guy, so it's like the origin story is all there. I mean, what do you think? I was going to say maybe like one of the Rivercourt boys, maybe Colin or, I mean, junk or somebody who we don't know enough about. We give boys too much credit. I need it to be a girl. Great. Like, who's unsuspecting?

Bevin. Bevin pulled that shit out of her hat where she's like, this is a conifer that's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah with the trees. Yeah. I can totally see that saving people's lives and then just being like, please don't tell anyone. Yeah. Oh, my God. You guys, it was nothing. Okay, bye.

Yeah. Yeah, it's totally mevin. Yeah. Okay. And then who in real life is a secret superhero? Mm. Barbara? Yeah.

I could see Barb hoarding some shit. Like seeing somebody steal an old lady's purse on the sidewalk and just get right. in there. Yeah. She's the right amount of graceful and aggressive. Yeah. I would say like any of our moms,

like Daphne, Barbara, Moira. Yeah, I like that. You know, Cheryl. They all take no prisoners. Okay. They're like the Mrs. Incredible come to life.

Yeah. Where's that show? I'm into it. A bunch of moms that are just like, we'll fix this. Actual superheroes. That's actually kind of great.

Yeah. Like soccer moms by day, superheroes by night. happen into it what do we got next week guys next week we've got season five episode seven in the club ro-roll

that's not what it says Sophia what does it say I cannot I shan't do it do it nobody wants to hear any of us go me in de club like that's like no do club we're going do club yeah

oh man I hope it's happy. I'm really scared of what is going to be happening with Nanny Carey in the next episode, you guys. We're only seven episodes into the season and she's naked in the pool. Bless Tori for committing so hard and doing it so beautifully. Oh, boy. I'll have her on to talk about it soon.

I can't wait. Thanks for joining us, guys. That was fun. All right. Bye. Even though the episode is weird. Bye-bye. See you next week.

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