Drama Queens - The Return of Daphne ᐧ EP704

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Daphne Zuniga is back to discuss the latest episode, the connection between Brooke and Julian vs Brooke and Victoria and an OTH gigantic casting win!   Plus, Daphne reveals details on why Aaron Spelling almost fired her from Melrose Place!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens.

back to season seven episode four friends at home. I am just beside myself before we even get into the synopsis. We have to talk about the fact that we're joined by a special guest who's filling in for our co-hos today. None other than Daphne Zuniga is back on Drama Queen's friends. So excited. Hi. These episodes have been so delicious for Victoria. I am like I'm unwell. I have so many questions. Oh my God. And the episode that we're doing is so perfect for yeah, and especially Brooke and play. It's so good. All right, who wants to tell the fans at home what we're watching this week? I can give the synopsis. You can give us the synopsis, Rob. Nathan's scandal becomes public. Brooke's fashion show brings an unexpected responsibility for

Millicent and Haley. And Haley convinces Quinn to talk to her estranged husband, David. Commas. They're so confusing. Meanwhile, Mouth makes a decision that could threaten his career, directed by Greg Prange, and written by the one and only John Norris. And the episode title is Believe Me, I'm lying, which tracks for some people's behavior, wouldn't you say? I would. Before we get into the episode, can I ask a personal question I have, but I imagine many of the fans have as well. Sof, is life better as a redhead? oh you recently made the change i've been dying to know you know it's so funny um it just feels sort of fun like obviously we all had this weird time during covid but this year coming out of

our strikes you know in our industry when all of our unions went on strike this is actually the first year that i haven't signed on to another show like i've i've been developing things and doing things and so for the first time i have the ability to go and just make a couple movies in a row. And for this next movie I'm going to do, I wanted to dye my hair. And I'm actually really into it. I was like, oh, it fits the character, but maybe this is also me. Am I, am I she? So what I'm hearing is if I, if I dye my hair red, I will not only be having more fun, but I will book multiple projects back to back to back. Listen, I think it's worth a shot. Couldn't hurt. Self tape thing isn't working. Let's try going red.

eat self-tapes are awful but by the way rob your self-tapes that you post on instagram are hilarious like you like fighting with you guys are fighting with each other right and it just reminds me at least like i don't have an actor husband it's behind when i used to do self-tapes i really much have just given up because they're just horrific and they never lead to anything so i'm like i don't want to do that I choose out door number two. But before I did, David would be like, are you crying? It doesn't say you should cry. I'm like, just read the words that I highlighted for you, Mr.

non-actor. I think you're a little worked up, but I'm like, you know, it's just stressful. You're like, when the camera is rolling is not a time for feedback. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not looking for notes in real time. No. at me like how am i going to read my line you know like i just want i just want like a fellow actor to be there with me and not my husband because it's i'm just like forget it forget it never mind

all right fine okay geez you're a little touchy wow this is really helping me like this is not good for our relationship i will see myself out yeah well i'm anyway i feel like there's a lightness about you and a loveliness and uh that i've seen so so whatever it is it's uh it looks good on you thank you yeah i think when you like stop swimming upstream or pushing the rock up the mountain like that sort of sisyphian metaphor right like maybe just let it go and follow it what a wild concept who knew i think we're all sort of like trained and conditioned to look for the struggle and to cling to something even if it's struggling we're clinging we feel like and when you can kind of like let go of a struggle even though it's familiar and

that's what i've noticed lately and i think you can constantly keep doing that and see what's there it's so much better for your nervous system and your whole being but it's a little uh wait this is happy what am i supposed to do with this do you know what i do with this it is wild that's what you do with it and going with the flow you have now found yourself co-hosting a new podcast how has that been for you well that's thank you for bringing you for that up and asking, yeah, that actually is a good example, coincidentally, of what I was talking about. Still the Place is a podcast rewatch. We copied you guys on our show that we did in the 90s, Melrose Place. So two of the other actresses who were leads on the show, Courtney

Thorne Smith, who played Allison, and Laura Layton, who played Crazy Sydney and I started to co-hosting this podcast. It's so cool. Laura and I have been developing this other Melrose project for years. Like you're saying, pulling, you know, you want to know what that's like pushing a boulder up a very steep mountain. Get in development. Do something in this business and try to make something happen from an idea.

And that's what it's like. And there's always, you know, speed bumps and things happening. And you just have to, but this. So Courtney and Laura and I are. were in touch, we're still a friend, and she said, she texted us one morning, guys, I woke up and my girlfriend called me and said, I had a dream that you're doing a Melrose podcast. And Courtney texts us and says, why aren't we doing a Melrose podcast? Let's do it. It would be so fun. And boom, I got in touch with Iheart, da-da-da,

meeting, done. Easy, peasy, flow. And our intention, is to, from the beginning is to have fun, to sit around and watch a show that we did. You guys think you did yours a long time ago and you're wondering if you don't remember anything, I'm sure. Ours was 30 years ago and for sure we don't remember stuff, you know, but watching it, we've done about four have aired so far and from the pilot and watching it triggers memories and it's the 90s.

so it's a freaking trip on a whole other level and we look so young because we are so it's a real fun thing to do and we get to get together every week and just you know that's that's what i mean about just going dropping the stress about it and just having fun with it so we're really it's a blast it's so cool is it because i don't really know about you know your history on that show I don't know if you had like a scary kingpin in the way that we did. Is it just purely fun and wild and hilarious? Or do you find yourself having to navigate through periods of, you know, periods of strife or trauma or other things that are sort of wild to do as well?

Well, good question. We did not have a scary pink pin who, you know. I love that for you. Thank God. I want to be, like, thought he was our kingpin who was Aaron Spelling. Okay, so this man... You had an actual kingpin. Yeah.

This man, it was lovely. I mean, as dramatic as it got was I had to shoot, reshoot basically my intro scene because I was playing a girl from New York. And I thought I'd choose some gum and put a hat on. Well, little did I know. Gum and hats are no-nows with Aaron Spelling land. And so I had to re-chewed. I thought I'd be fired. No, we just reshot it.

And he's like, lose the hat, don't ever chew gum. And let's move on. I mean, that's, wow. That was how it started, I remember. For me, I came on halfway through the first season. But, no, but it is interesting, so, because I went back and watched the whole series in the last few years because of what we're working on. and the trauma that comes up is on is the writing and it's not their fault it's society's default of going to threatening women and hurting women and that's been

the kind of default drama if you need drama in a storyline let's get let's bring a threatening guest star and hurt the girl and then she'll win and she'll get her come up and it's basically we saw over and over and over again and i would shock and i remember shooting storylines like that very intense because it was melrose place we were basically a show that went over the top and just pushed all kinds of boundaries and you know the drama had to one up itself every week so there was a lot of that but that's where that was kind of a shocking reality but it wasn't behind the scenes horror it was behind the scenes uh we all got along really well i mean maybe like how come she gets that dress i want to i shorten my dress too you know to that's it like that's about it

oh james and i had that all the time on wintry hill right i can relate yeah why does he get to wear the 70s basketball shorts and I don't yeah yeah and who and who who who won those did you ever get your way Rob Lafferty no he's a total divo are you kidding me because as soon as we got into it he starts to cry and then everyone says don't make James cry again I'll be in his trailer for an hour and that's the end of it I never got my way right classic Lafferty tools straight to the crocodile tears but you know what you take it for the people I'm a team player that's right Davy yeah team player Yeah. Well, let's, I'm so glad that you're here today, Daphne, because watching this episode, so a little back story. First of all, I dressed up on account of you being here. My hair is typically not done. I'm not wearing a fancy coat, but I had to come correct because you were going to be here. And you rented a hotel room. I rented a hotel room at the four seasons by Holiday Inn. Rob, have you clarified for the nice people at the hotel and town that sometimes you have to leave your home because you need to.

a quiet place to work not that you're having like an afternoon delight affair online yes so first of all I almost wore a hat today and then I realized me checking on the heels listener please listen to last week's episode to understand we're talking about yeah definitely this is the backstory okay I checked in last week and it's a weird thing right because I'm checking in for a reservation that was last night just to be in the hotel room for a couple hours and I made the mistake yes last week I showed up with a backpack in a really good mood and in gym clothes and a wedding ring. And I was like, oh, it's okay. The guy said, you're in a reservationist for last night. I said, not a problem. Only going to be here a couple hours. And then I wasn't until I got to my room that I realized, oh, they 100% think I'm here

to have an affair. So today, like I said, I almost wore a hat and I realized, no, that leans into that. And then I awkwardly just blurted out when he said, you know, your reservation was for last night. I said, yeah, yeah, I do. I'm only going to be here for a couple hours. And I realized, oh, no, I'm doing it again. And he went, there's, are you okay with a room with two beds? And I just went, I'm not going to be using the beds. And he just kind of looked around like, oh, that, okay. And I was like, yeah. But then I didn't say what I was here for. So I think everyone's probably just going, what weird stuff? What's in that backpack? And what is that creep up to? If you don't get some sort of like spawncon travel Instagram campaign with

the hilton after this i'm going to be furious likewise likewise thank you best advertising they could ever ask for whether you're trying to have an affair or record a hit podcast holidays got you covered feel free to use it guys um but daphne i was so excited that you were here because i'm kind of rewatching the series as a first time viewer because i after the show ended i never rewatched it i kind of left it on the past and truthfully i've forgotten the majority of it so i'm experiencing a lot of things for the first time. And you in this episode, this was sort of my experience with Victoria,

was so fun and juicy. And in my notes, before you're even on camera, you're well, at the fashion show. I already started to smile. And it just, it didn't stop.

Every scene you're in is so fun and good. And it's like Pavlovian. And every time I see you on screen, I lean in, like, all right. She's the definition of a scene stealer. Truly. Like in the best way. You're so fun. Yes.

But it's the lines. It's the lines, you guys. That Well, well, I mean, it's off camera. Is that what you mean? Well, well. Your line line was, yeah, your Well, well was off. And then you walked up and then you just nonchalantly said, that's the winner. You know, it was, listen, the writing is great, but it's not all the writing.

It is in large part you. I feel like in this episode, I mean, she always. did, but this one, and thanks for using the word fun, Rob, because Victoria, before this was just evil, like, it was the, I'm going to, like, be your buzzkill and then, like, destroy you three times over and then leave the scene. But now it's kind of like she just tosses these little, like, you know, I am better than you and whatever. It's, I feel like it's like she has to say something insulting, but she's really enjoying herself with these people. And her daughter, she's proud and all that. But I feel like she's walking around with a little needle and just popping

everyone's balloon. Like if she sees people over the corner having a good time or conversation, she just needs to walk up and like, yes, you know, like her little insults. And I had so much fun doing that. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred

of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. that, because Clay is a new person. Like, I wouldn't think Victoria and Clay have had a lot of overlap, but I actually loved that they, they volunteered Stephen as tribute, and they put Chase in the normal payable. Because as soon as you saw him, you, you just were like, what, who?

And he was like, yeah, this happens every time. And you'd be the way you delivered. Well, until next time. It's just so good. Yeah. And, like, seeing her kind of poking fun as, especially at all the boys. I don't know. It shows me how sort of jovial it is. Like instead of her underlying emotion being anger or frustration that she has to be in North Carolina,

now she's like, well, if we're going to have a time, let's have a time. And it's so fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I love that moment with Stephen and just she always has this look and this dot, dot, dot. Like, why are you still standing in front of me? Okay. Well, next time I still. still don't know your name. I don't want to know your name. And I don't care. And I don't care. So you know how they in job interviews some time. It's a tactic that the, um, the person doing the interviewing will often, um, they'll let the interviewee respond, like, they'll ask a question and the person will respond. And then the, the person running the interview will just stay silent. And what they do is they're wanting to

see how the person, uh, interviewing will respond to silence. Do they awkwardly fill it in and start oversharing? It's kind of like Victoria does this. that. Or she's just like, do you want to put your foot in your mouth anymore? Are we done? Yes. Yes. She's interviewing constantly. Like, she's in the control seat, you know. And I love when you think she might lose it. Like, Alex Dupre is the only person who might be able to insult Victoria and her saying, who's the old lady? Like, because she knows you're driving Millie crazy. And then your one-liner on the walkout is, I'll let you get back to not making movies. I gasped, like, audibly gasped. It was so funny. And I was like, God, she always wins.

She's so fun. And she, and she, I love how these, like, she doesn't have to think about it. You know how, like, real people have to think of, like, the one-upper and I have to, like, you're talking. And if I want to insult you, I have to, like, come up with something. It's never going to be good. And she's just like, I'll let you get back to not making movies. Boom. You know, I don't know your name. Well, here we go next time. It's not just, it's, it's, it's just, you could tell she was really talented at something in her day. And I mean, like she's, she's, you know, and now she uses that ability at just insulting these kids. And the way, it's a little different with Julian, where I felt like it was more playful. And there's a slight warming up happening.

It was a bit more layered. And I loved, like I said, it was very playful. I loved the banter. But then your riff on his dad and using the word lover. Yeah. Twice. It was so funny. Yes, it was, how is your father?

Paul, has he taken a lover recently? And then he's gobsmacked and says, I'm sorry, what just happened? And you say, oh, sorry, I thought we were bonding. It's so good. Which was so funny. Also, so smart on the writing part, shout out to John Norris, that at the end of the episode, when Julian at the end of the fashion show says to Brooke, I'm thinking about setting my dad up with your mom. And then you say, so, sorry, what just happened? Yeah.

The nice little role reversal. Didn't he say because she says she wants a lover? Didn't he use her lover again? Yeah. And then just says, what does happen? Yes. It's so great. Right, Rob.

That was great writing. I thought the call back to it. And the word lover. It's still, has it ever been? Maybe the 70s, it was like, cool. But it's still, to me anyway, like, who uses that word? Yeah. My dad said it to me once about like his hopes for the level of partner I would have.

And he like started listing off all the things and was like, and they should be your best friend and like a caring lover. And I was like, dad, stop, stop, stop, stop. And he was like, we're adults. And I was like, maybe you're an adult. you like pleasant Canadian man but I you're still like how old I am will always be your child and I literally cannot have this conversation with you by the way I probably should have he would have saved me years of years of heartache if I'd actually let my dad make his point but here we are we've arrived but you know we will always teach our parents how to parent by the way I don't I think

that's just a thing don't you like I don't know Rob did you ever do you have to do that with your parents, like, remind, like, I'll just have to say, like, okay, a Starbucks card is fine for a Christmas gift, but you may want to give the new baby, you know, like, or my dad. That's what he does constantly. I just feel like that's part of our job is to remind them how to parent. I love it. To, TMI. But I think there's something so interesting, right, in that the way Julian stood up to Victoria on Brooke's behalf, then flipped, you know, two episodes ago or whatever it was with Brooke being able to stand up for Julian to Paul. And now there's this thing, this like banter about Victoria and Paul. And something about like the right person coming into Brooke's life has

changed her relationship with her mom. And now is changing Julian's relationship with his dad. And I have literally experienced the same thing in the last year. And I think it is really wild again when it's not only the person who might because of a job or a relationship be pushing the rock up the hill but like you know when your kid is in the wrong relationship you know when when someone comes into their life and changes things for the better like your your relationship with them gets better every it's crazy to see the like reverberations within a family of healthy dynamics versus unhealthy ones and it would such a trip to watch it in this episode because I've been talking about this with my own mom so much

recently and I was like, oh my God, I think part of this cool thing that's happening in our show is that the Brooke and Julian, the Brooke and Julian of it all is changing even the Brooke and Victoria of it all. And it's so sweet in the fact that it's happening for us as an audience with so much razor sharp humor, like full chef's kiss for me. Yeah. Yeah. So what you shot all these years ago and we're just rewatching now is mirroring your life. Isn't it weird how art does that? It is so wild. That's wild. It's really wild. It's cool. So you're watching it and probably experiencing and you're experiencing the show differently as an audience because you're going, oh, I feel that I've been through that.

Totally. And I was asking Rob when we started the season, you know, what the sort of like stuff is that he has to shake out because we all have some. And I've done a lot of shaking out watching the prior sixth. So it's like, I don't know, it's crazy for all of us to be having these sort of mind-blowing moments or re-remembering things or realizing that something we didn't even know to be relevant then is so relevant now. Was it weird for you? Because you're so in the rewatch of Melrose with. your coworkers to do still the place, is it weird to be like in your Melrose bubble and then come back into the one tree hoe bubble or does it feel easy? It feels, Melrose is so long ago when I was so young that it feels it because it feels a little like I'm watching it pulled back that my lens is pulled back and I'm seeing it as scripts, kind of what we're talking. about written by writers who had a whole concept where I see the different storylines parallel each other something about you know last one we watched was about love and there was like puppy love and there's a marriage going on and there's another falling in love and um so I'm seeing it sort of from

a writer's like an overall view of it like 30,000 feet yeah and so that's really cool for me because when I was there you're just in your little your trench working out your story storyline like an ensemble does like clay like rob did with his we all did with our storylines you don't really overlap with everybody else so it's yeah um you're in your little highway there you're lane and so it's really cool to see it um for entertainment value what what the writers intended and then what the audience obviously got from them so uh and it's different because this is more is closer to who I am now in age, you know. So, but this is far enough away where I really enjoyed last, watching 704, this episode.

Like you were describing Rob and Sophia, I just had a blast. I mean, I also was touched. I mean, this was a big episode for the show. This was that fashion show. Yeah. The whole zero is not a size reveal. That was a huge. That was a huge thing for fans and for, you know, messaging for us in our show that zero, you know, this is need for women to be so freaking tiny that there was zero for a while.

I don't know. Was that just fast fashion? You'd go into like these stores and there was a zero? What's a zero? That's part of it, right? And there were people who got, and listen, I get it. Everybody has a right to be offended by whatever they're offended by. but there were people, so many people I think were touched by the message, and then there were

people who were very pissed about it. Some people were like, you don't know what it's like to be chronically underweight or whatever. And I was like, hold the phone. The importance of what we're talking about is actually the fact that a size zero did not exist until the late 1960s. And when we were on the precipice of women's rights really shifting and civil rights really shifting, And we were having conversations about how more than just men, we love Rob, ally first, but more people than just men should have more rights in our country. I don't think it's an accident that suddenly sizes went from being numbers to the idea of zero. Zero represents nothing. And then it became this thing to strive for.

And then when we were in high school, suddenly the day. double zero got introduced and it was like what are what are we doing when we think about the power of language and the power of words like there is no size zero for men there's only size zero for women and it hasn't always been that way and so for me it felt really important to say whatever you are be that but what i don't want is for society to tell you that you are your most valuable when you are your most invisible it's like all these years later you know one of the best bestselling books of the last decade is Glennon Doyle's Untamed. And she talks about how she had to come to this realization of why do we always describe mothers as being so selfless, saying they don't have a self.

Like, we applaud mothers who martyr themselves. But like, what is that then model for your daughters? You would never want your daughter to do that. Right. And that's been one of the big conversations with me and my mom in the last few years as well. and so like this theme whether it's about zero or whether it's about selfless or whether it's about these things like these things that we only put on women it felt so important for me and by the way like look at Lisa Goldstein she's the most beautiful girl like she has a stunning body like but this idea that that even someone like her or women like any of us have been so scared about our bodies shamed about our bodies felt like they weren't the right bodies like just enough of it enough of it like let's really be all about each other

and so i i loved it i loved it too so if and everything you're saying is absolutely right i i i when i saw the double zeros i was like they don't even know math like zero zero me it's it's like if you like diet coke you're going to love diet diet coke yeah like guys it's already at zero. That's a double negative. What are we talking about? And then you start thinking like, you know, because we all, when I was younger, I had those, that time of trying to be skinnier, you know, and I really, it's a, it's refreshing

now to see, uh, women of all sizes I see in advertisements and out there. And it's like, um, in life. I see, you know, young girls like, just this is who I am. And I'm like, wow, that was a possibility all along. It took us a while as people, as a society. But I was like, wow, that was a possibility, not in my time, not in the 80s or whatever. But in 70s and when I was growing up, but more, you know, it's more when you're in your teens and 20s is when you really take that up.

But I just, I, what I, what that brought to the episode. is that the humor was there. There was a lightness and a love and all of the hate that, you know, there was this negativity, but it was in a light way. And then there was this, you know, a real important profound story. But even, even, and I, like, I teared up when she pulls the thing open at the end. And I'm like, I felt like Victoria, why am I tearing up? I've seen this a long time ago with the show, you know?

But I teared up, but not to say that. Again, it's very emotionally, uh-huh, sweet, very important. Yeah, I think we really stuck the emotional landing on that because I think it was such a great message, especially for our show, because knowing our demographic, I think it was such terrific messaging. And the way we got there was great, too, because just prior to that moment, backstage, who has the idea that it should be Millie? It's Alex, which is cool and clever because we've already started to see. maybe a more human, softer side of Alex when she sticks up for Millie. I need to circle back that in a second. But the funniest part is that it's Alex and she says,

Millie should do it. But she does it while writing with makeup on the passed out girl's face. And she just casually over her shoulder goes, oh, yeah, have Millie do it. And I love that she is so comfortable at, you know, while just writing on this woman, she just roofied. By the way, I expected her to, when I saw the look on Alex's face when that model was mean to Millie, I thought, oh, this is going to be awesome.

She's going to just, like, give her a verbal lashing. No, she went straight to drugging her. Yeah. It was gnarly, right? But then when she's just drawing a mustache on her face and casually goes, yeah, Millie should do it. It's like, that's perfect. She doesn't even look back over her shoulder. She's just having fun, not concerned.

Totally. she's really playing the long game yeah yeah I love that I love the layers in that it's not expected I wasn't expecting you're expecting the verbal lashing from Alex you're expecting her to do a you know

and then it's like the draw what is she drawing like is she just a mustache yeah and then it cuts to that and then the whole thing kind of takes place you know yeah it goes I know what to do and you know I just I mean in the whole show

can we talk about the music and being there and shooting wait before we get there i just have to say i just scrolled down to this part and i literally have written in my notes alex sabotaging her with meds i don't love but i do love that she stood up for milly in her own way yeah oh my god it's so there's something about a character like alex similarly to a character like victoria where they because they get to be outlandish you forgive their extremity and it's fun to watch like if anyone did that to someone in real life they'd go to jail i mean one one would hope but on the show it is quite funny and then yeah the backdrop of all of this happening in the most epic concert is just yeah it's wild yeah

it's the perfect blend of she's being a good friend and she's wildly unhinged like she She's risking killing someone just to stand up for her friend. And drawing a mustache on the... Yeah, adding insult to injury. I almost feel like did they have her do the mustache bit to make it clear that the girl was fine? Like, is that why they did it? Because if she wasn't fine, obviously someone would have had to call the paramedics, but like maybe that was the way of being like, oh, Alex, ha-ha.

Yeah. It made me feel like Alex knows her drugs. Like she knows the dosage. She knows what it is. I didn't know what it was, but it was like, you know, she knows. And I don't know, she just knows a lot about this. I feel like she's done it before when needed. She knows her goofballs. You know that about her. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner

in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Rewinding a little bit, I noticed something on this episode and I'm curious, I'm curious how you feel about actually two things. First of all, Sof, do you cringe every time on any subsequent project when a character talks to their other character like their boyfriend or girlfriend and uses their first and last name? Yes. Because that to me is, it's so distinctly one tree hill the amount of times i had to say i love you queen james and then the scene with you and julian he's like hey brook davis yeah and it's that thing that ever since one tree hill any show i'm on if there's a moment where they do the first and last i'm like i bristle you go that's a one tree hill thing yeah it's like it's funny because with for some reason it i'm so used to it with brook

like it tracks for me almost with her as a term of endearment what's almost weirder to me is when you're working on something and yeah someone's like supposed to be your spouse but you keep calling them by their first name like in scenes in your house and it's like people don't do that I don't know the last time I like people say honey baby but whatever they say like you don't I'm never going to walk in a room and be like Robert excuse me awkward. Like, what is that? It's so weird. So the first and last name together almost tracks more for me than just the first name repeated ad nauseum in a script. I don't know. Maybe that was my coping mechanism. You know, it's interesting because it is a very,

I can see doing it. I can see it being kind of if you do it right at the right time, this like in your face sexy thing like i'm saying it's on purpose you know buckley uh da da da da da da yeah that was steamy it was you got my attention no one at home can see it but i saw daphne make that face i was like oh but to do it all the time kind of kills the power of it right that's it it's that everyone does it all the time because i agree with you it is effective it's playful or if it's like seductive except when it's salt and you're using it liberally all over the place It's like, well, okay, now it's just a weird tick. The other take I had, so again, I watching this sort of as a first-time viewer,

because my experience of Clay and Quinn was as the actor doing it. So I had sort of backstory and lots of other things going on, but now I'm watching it for the first time at a distance. I walked away from last night's episode, or this episode 704, saying, this show is so lucky that we got shot. Chantelle to be Quinn because in the hands of a different actor, I think Quinn could have been far less likable and less successful because I look at the lines they have her saying and it kind of culminated in this episode specifically because she's very vague in terms of her like

why it's not working with her husband. She's very cold and detached and the problem is when You pair that with a scene partner in Scott Holroyd, who is open and sweet and sincere. And so vulnerable. And so vulnerable. It really shines a light on why aren't you leaning in? Why aren't you being warm? And I think the only reason it didn't stand out more as a testament to Chantelle and really just playing it as earnestly as she could. because, I mean, that scene where they finally sit down together and he's just like,

how can we make this work? And she's like, no, I'm out. Like, it was one of those moments as an actor. I went, oh, wow, you don't realize it watching this. But if someone just came in and played these words, there is a huge chance that this character just doesn't seem very kind. Because this is your husband. This isn't the guy you went on two dates with.

you know and can we do anything you know you should let me go you know and it's like oof and then the the cherry on the insult Sunday is first of all clay punching David I completely forgot about

and is it David? Yes David which was a bummer and like oh come on Clay but whatever fine but then after she has her last talk with him when he's really truly heart broken at the end of the fashion show, she gets up and walks over to Clay's

car in view directly in front of her husband and gets in and drives away with him. The optics couldn't be worse. Yeah. So the fact that the audience didn't turn on

Quinn is entirely a testament to Chantelle. That's my hot take. I also think like we've been so frustrated by how vague what she says is for the last few episodes but in a way it almost finally worked for me this week because I went oh she's clearly been going through this sadness she has suffered the death of this relationship and once she knew it was dead she left he is only realizing that for her it's dead now that to me is such an indication of two people who do not speak the same language and I sort of loved that she got to say like

I'm just done like I've waited for so long it's not going to be different I want more than this or something else than this like that thing and I think that's actually so universal do you have the courage to say this just isn't it and I don't want to I don't want to suffer it longer than I have. Like, I know there's no coming back from this. And in a weird way, it being so vague and seeing how sort of spun out he was, I was like, oh, these people have not been speaking the same language for such a long time. And when that moment could have been so cringy, in a way, and it was what you said that sold it for me, you said, if you do this, I'll never forgive you. And she said, just drive. And I was like, oh, that's what she wants. She wants to put

the nail on the coffin. Wow. And to be so committed to the idea of an unknown future where you could be happier than like staying in the thing that's been killing you a little bit every day. I was like, girl, go. That's a low blow. But like if it's the way you got to do it on the way out the door, like can do it, go be free. I don't know. I finally feel like I got the whole thing that for the last couple episodes, as a viewer, I've been like, why are they telling me more? This episode, it clicked for me. What is there an actual reason? I haven't tracked the last few before this.

Is there a reason written in the script? Did something happen that she's unhappy with this? It's more, because Haley has asked her about it, you know, and she just sort of says, you know, because Haley says, people have the right to change. And she's like, yeah, people have the right to not change as well. You know, and at the start of this episode, they're shopping in the grocery store. And Haley says, referring to a serial, she says to Quinn, oh, look, here, it has everything you need. And then Quinn says, just because it has everything you need doesn't mean it has everything you want.

She's talking about her husband and her marriage. Yes. So we're not really getting anything specific, just the sort of the degenerality of, okay, it's just, it has shifted. Things have changed. It's not working for her anymore. Yeah. What stood out to me kind of, and we talked about this if I think maybe two episodes ago, I think the writers could have given her a much better story, but Quinn tells Haley this story

about like a night out she had and how David didn't go and it was so special and she essentially realized she didn't miss him at all. And it really, I told them then, like it reminded me of Brooks sort of having to learn her power, how to learn to take her power back really when she went through the whole thing with Lucas, where she was like, well, you didn't miss me. So eventually I stopped missing you. I thought it was like, while not done in a very good package, I did think there was a little Easter egg in it of like these big sort of tent pole things we've dealt with on the show. And so I think the way I've been sort of tracking it is that she's been trying to explain that they've just grown so far apart that like they don't even really, at least she doesn't

miss him or like even remember him sometimes and i don't know i think that i think that sort of death that can happen in a relationship that doesn't come from a scandal or a love triangle or someone driving a limo off a bridge or all the other crazy shit we've done like yeah i think part of the reason i like it so much and i'm enjoying watching it so much now is i'm like oh that's just so much more real for most of what i've seen like i don't i don't know a lot of people who have a ton of scandal in their life but I know a lot of people who like hit the end of the road and then had to start over. I think to your point, Rob, it was her vulnerability that she was feeling such pain with that like you're saying and you feel even more pain and confusion and if there was

not a thing. If there wasn't an event, there wasn't a betrayal, if there wasn't an outright thing and you're just feeling like, oh my God, I'm not in love anymore. Oh my God. This is, you know. that's what I saw her vulnerability. I didn't know their backstone well. But I did see that softness. You know, she could have played it harder. And people like try to get the point across in tough ways. You know, they'll be a jerk.

Exactly. It's one of those ones. The words are already harsh enough. And so it's it's the smarter choice to do what she did, which is to lean into the vulnerability and the pain behind the words where it's like, I know I'm hurting you and this sucks. and it hurts as opposed to,

as what I'm saying in the hands I think of a lesser actor that could have easily been just real shirty and cold in one note and it would have

set the character up to where why are we going to root for her? Whereas instead we're seeing what's great is we're setting this runway up of she has baggage

and it's coming out the thick of it clay we're about to find out has baggage and so it's nice because it's not like here are two new characters and they're about to fall in love

and instead it's like here are these two new characters who are a mess right now and they're going to get messy together you know and it's nice that their relationship starts in that almost it's not like sibling energy but you know what i mean like it's playful it's you know the haley's sister and nathan's agent and like she teases you about women and you get you make her drink this horrible drink like there's there's like a juvenile humor to it that i think gives us as an audience a little something new it's not like Nathan and Haley boom they're in love forever

Peyton and Lucas big end game story like it's nice to have something new and innocent and silly especially because as you just said both of these characters have this heavy baggage and even though we don't know about clays yet we know there's something brewing in him that keeps him you know holding most people at arm's length and you're right I think it's such a it was just such a great instinct that Shantel had to lean into how absolutely hard it is to hurt someone that you have loved, even if you have to do it to save your own life. Like, it's hard. It's hard when someone isn't ready and you see the writing on the wall. You know the thing is dead. You know it has to be buried and the person's not ready to bury it. Like, oh, that's so heavy.

and if she had tried to mask that sadness, it would have felt cold. And instead, it's like, I may not understand everything going on with this woman, but I know how that feels. And it made it so relatable. This is a reference, I'm sure 20% at best of our audience is going to get. But have you ever seen the film Harry and the Henderson's, John Lithgow and the Bigfoot?

One of my favorite movies. Okay, great. It reminds me of the ending when John Lithgow's character realized we love this guy and he's a part of our family but this this isn't his life he should have he needs to be out of nature and so he takes him out to the forest and of course the bigfoot's like I love now we're good I love you you're my friend and so John Liff got us to put on this face where he's like don't you see we don't love you get out of here get out of here and bigfoot's hurt and like what the hell just happened and so he sort of saunteres off into the forest and

Lithgow turns to camera and he starts crying and it's like oh that hurt him too but he knew it's what had to be done. What I'm saying is Chantel is John Lithgow, and Scott Holroyd is Bigfoot. David's a Bigfoot. It's a big foot. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia,

and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the kind of two years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions.

alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But one thing I would like that they also did with Clay and Quinn is that she sees him. Yeah. And when she calls him on it. he's honest. So right from the jump, there's sort of a bit of,

it's like they already start cutting to it. She's like, is this who you are, a different girl every night? And he's like, sometimes, you know. And so I like that there's already sort of like an access point for them to start to see each other and get to know each other. Yeah. I love the way you have played,

Clay, because I can tell there's something going on, but you bring such strength to relationships with the people you love, like the way you stand up for Nathan. And even watching you play that scene with Jana where you turn Alex down, I was like, oh, I can't wait to get into the gears of this. Did you know in 704 that things would start to be revealed for you soon? Or were you just week by week figuring it out and trying to make interesting choices? is.

By 704, I might have started to be filled in on that he, obviously not, a lot of the end game stuff of Clay, no, no, no, that didn't come until like it actually came. The sharky stuff. But the, this stuff, I think they may have already been in my ear a bit because I don't recall when it happens, but when we find out what happened to him, I don't know if I knew at this point or not. But obviously from the text that I had had, or from the dialogue I'd had, I knew this guy had some pain and was running from something big. I don't know if I knew it was his, what we're going to find out it was. It's nice. I feel like I can, I can see it brewing. I love that

Klanquin bonded over brain blasters. Everything Stephen did, I thought, was great. His first scene with you, Daphne, was so damn funny. You just roasted him and the way he, the way he just took it was beautiful and then all his stuff at the bar he's just delightful he's just fun and light um mouth being a real good friend i mean the only thing i bumped on was after he's live on air and he refuses to read the story when he goes to walk away he walks past his boss and his boss goes yeah just keep walking mcfadden you're off the air and I and I just laughed going are they in high school what kind of grown up it felt like a locker room talk you know it's like that's not how a boss would yeah just keep walking what would you expect him to do but I thought wow mouth really sort of showing his true character by it kind of jeopardizing his professional career for his buddy and his belief in his buddy's innocence yeah well and I loved that he said because there is such a difference between tabloids, which will print anything, any lie, and real news.

And I loved that he said, no, if it's in those magazines, it's not serious. If we report on it, it becomes serious. Right. And he knows the difference. And I think, I don't know, it felt really refreshing because we live in this really weird world of nobody feels like they know anything anymore. and it's nice to be reminded that there are actually guardrails and boundaries and trusted news sources versus not. And it was such a simple thing to say, but it communicated so much. And then when he stood up for Nathan live on the air, as you said, it made me think about what Nathan was

telling Jamie when Jamie's asking, you know, Dad, why would someone lie about something like this and he talks about how sometimes people forget the difference between right and wrong and they take advantage of good people when they do and we got this button with mouths looking at that picture and saying nope and i was like marvin mcfadden knows what's right and it just like you know nathan and jamey weren't in the scene but it it buttoned that whole thing up for me in a way that i was like oh my god It's such a good example. Made me want to sob. Yeah.

And it's great that we have characters like Mouth who in this episode is so grounded and small. Like he's just, he's steady. Whereas, you know, they weren't at the fashion show we have Alex stuff. And we have, you know, music and music. There's all these things happen. And then his storyline is just, nope, my friend told me he didn't. I don't buy this.

I'm not doing it. Yeah. You know, and it's like there's no hysterics. It's just a calm. No. Yeah. I mean, I think of Lee that way. You guys?

Yeah. I know Rob, you guys had nights aparting out there and he, you know, used to do his thing when he was younger. But I think of Lee that way and I think of mouth that way, you know. And I'm sure as writers, they have to come up with someone who's going to be the, you know, the right and wrong character. So craziness can have something to. Yeah.

being contrast to yeah um relief in this kind in these kinds of stories you know especially that story where we all with the tabloid stuff that's just so evil and viral and just such a violations constantly and they can say whatever they want and when it's in print people believe it I don't care what it is it's so crazy people believe anything like bigfoot you're talking about Harry and the Hendersons. But so he hadn't have a choice. He knew right and wrong. If he said it, if you put it on, it's like people believe it.

If it comes out of your mouth, mouth, mouth, out of mouth's mouth as a news anchor, you believe it. Yeah. And I've seen, it's funny because recently I've experienced, I saw something that was released into the press about Melrose Place and it was a leak. and then I saw it go viral and every time it appeared somewhere else from deadline to Hollywood Reporter to entertainment to USA Today to then the Today show is coming out of people's mouths I'm like that's not true like you know I saw things when I was younger and you know whatever I was in the press a little bit more but this was like

kind of an eye-opener because think about it people just grab something off the internet and then whoever they have to just change a word. Just change a word. And you're like, like, you know, in production, in development and in production are two completely different things, you know. So I just saw that. And this point that you're bringing up about this part and this story of this episode where he refuses to make news of this tabloid story is just, I really, you know, obviously

so important but i just really related to to it from recently from going from online things where people need news to coming out of anchor on the today show or good morning america for two days yeah it's so crazy oh you have to be careful everything you read and everything you hear you have to just especially these days as you said so i mean it's so crazy and i think listen while they've got gotten even wilder about what they're willing to print, evidence be damned, like things just don't even get fact checked anymore. Because I know they can get aware of it. Well, and they want it.

They want all the clickbait they can get because that's how they're all making money. But it's like, it's really crazy to me too, to your point, how some people have also figured out how to like make suggestions without fully. saying something because if they fully said something that was a lie, they'd be sued for defamation. But if they suggest something and then say, oh, that's not really what I meant. I was just talking about my experience or whatever. Like, people who want to manipulate are savvy enough to know how to use these very manipulative outlets to do so. And I think it was really interesting because on the one hand, knowing that, I'm watching this whole storyline going, wow, this is sort of

Evergreen. And then on the other hand, I feel really icky about it for the same reasons that you brought up about why it's hard to rewatch Melrose, because I was like, oh, anytime we want a storyline for a woman, she has to get heart, she has to get her heartbroken, get cheated on or get attacked. But to have a storyline for a guy, a woman has to lie about having had an affair with him. And like, it's like that classic evil harlot. you know, woman up to no good thing, which we know actually happens so much more rarely than terrible things happen to women. And part of me couldn't help but be like, God, the story's very evergreen in certain ways because of how people will use the media and whatever. And then on the

flip side, I was like, I have this icky, icky feeling because are we, is this just more of our boss being our boss wanting to be like women are just evil and their temptresses? and there are, you know, all these crazy things. Like, I found that it was hard for me to watch without being suspicious of the motivations in the writer's room. And that is, that's hard for me. But it's like once you know the way people wield their power, you know. And so I don't know.

It's interesting that you're talking about that being part of what you're experiencing, rewatching your show because I catch myself sometimes being like, is this a story because it's a good story? Or is it a storyline because they were taking a pot? shot at somebody and like I just I don't know I wish I could like scrub my brain and just watch it and not be suspicious yeah one tree hill's tricky too because we obviously know sort of the like the backstory it's it's tricky to watch something and go was it was it was it that was it the higher up or was it the fact that we were a teenage soap opera yeah during that time period on a

network known for beautiful people you know so it's like oh boy which which one was it you Yeah. And that's the thing you never know. You don't. But to that point, it's also, listen, change is slow. Real change is slow. And most writer rooms, writing rooms are mostly men. And, you know, they've got to come up with something here. Well, what's the thread? And it's kind of what, like I said, it's already in the zeitgeist. It's already sort of just drama. And it's relatable because of the tabloids. So, it's kind of just, I don't know, it's just there. It's kind of just safe, easy drama in a way. You know what I mean? Because it's a story, as you've said, that's been done over and over. Well, and then to your point, if it is just about needing good drama and an easy story, it also really works with our hero couple of seven seasons.

Like, what's going to come in and mess up Nathan and Haley? Like, this is a pretty good inn. Yeah. And the fact that I think there's actually something so cool, I can't let us finish without talking about how great joy is at this episode. My God. And the way that she plays the anger and frustration about the situation, not the anger at Nathan, shows what an amazing team they are.

Like, I think the goal in a relationship is always to be like, hey, it's you and me. We're teammates. And the problem is on the other side of the net. Like it's us against the problem. And that was a dynamic that they didn't name, but that I saw represented in their relationship in all the scenes in this episode so well. And I don't know. I loved that. And so part of me is like, I don't want to wonder, I don't want to have all the, like, icky inside baseball, like, suspicions that I have.

Because I also sort of love who I get to see these people be, including Haley with a mean right hook at the end of the episode. Dude, she was good in that scene. Look in her eyes. We got two punches in that one episode. That's right. And I'm just going to say it. I think hers was better. I think she had the better punch.

I wasn't going to say it, Rob, but. Let's name it, Daphne. This is a brave. We get brave here on this podcast. She threw the better punch. She threw a better punch, but you're number two. You were second, you know? Silver's still a metal, baby.

Two things. So first of all, how about joy with bangs? Yeah. Okay, bangs. Looked great. Out of nowhere, loved it. But, and Daphne, you might not know this one because you didn't see 703 and 702. But so, did Joy's hair get redder in this episode?

Yes. It did, right? Yes. Okay. It was like, oh, who knew I'd be watching Haley as a redhead whilst a redhead myself? Was that the fashion show? Because I noticed that totally, I don't, was that just because we're doing this? Yeah, so she, like, changed her hair.

I think I noticed the color, though, all episode, but it really popped. the lighting of the fashion show. But it was funny because I had thought, oh, I got to circle back and ask Sophie how she's liking red hair. And then I sat down to watch the episode and went, is Joy's hair red? Maybe everyone's loving the red hair. Listen, it's really a time.

Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I recommend for all. You're up next, Rob. Listen, I'll do it. I had a moment after I finished my last show where I have always wanted to dye my hair and I thought, I'm going to do it.

I'm just going to do it. It was like summertime industry as slow. and first off, I had never had my hair. I went, I wanted to go white, like white, white. And when you have dark brown hair like mine, that's a nightmare. And I went to a guy who wasn't good, scalp burns. It was terrible. They ended up comping my entire thing because it was traumatic.

But it was fun. But here's what I didn't realize how much upkeep goes into coloring your hair. Like, I'm glad I did it once, but especially having dark hair and going lighter. You realize the window, how small the window is at times. Like a week. You get a week of enjoying it. Yeah. So, but yeah, Red is next.

It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going. electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Should we do a listener question? I think we should. We've got a question from Rachel. There are so many memorable quotes from the show.

If you could choose one quote that you feel represents your personal. life philosophy, what would it be? Oh my God, that is a big question. I was like, is the question going to be, what's your character best zinger? No, damn it. I'm going to buy you a small amount of time because I have one locked and loaded for this. Okay. Because I initially thought, okay, wait, am I going to go deep with it? And then again, I remember so little of the show that there's a very little like and quote at this point. However, I would say the quote for me is, I could eat the butt off a skunk. Yeah. From Alex an episode or two ago. Because I got to tell you how many times a day I talk about being hungry, wanting to eat, what, or we're going to a

restaurant, I want to look at the menu ahead of time. Food is a huge part of my life. So I think that one kind of, if any moment you said, how are you doing? Could you eat the butt off of skunk? I'd go, yeah. Yes. Probably good, actually. Fitz.

Wow. I like it. Daff, do you have anything percolating? You know, I mean, Victoria has so many good ones. I can't say that their life mottoes, though, are philosophizing. but well until next time that's pretty nice you know I just until next time there you know what I have to say lately there's been a lot of times when I've just wanted to go get out of my freaking face you know not to not to an actual person but just the issue and everything you represent and what you're

bringing into me just so and do it with a smile so I think that's useful I will I wouldn't say it's a life philosophy, but I think that we should all lean into the polite, nice little way of saying, Yeah. Enough. I think that. So, oh, man. I, I don't know. The one I think that comes to mind immediately is because it's one of the ones I get asked to sign the most at our conventions.

But Brooke has a whole speech about how there will be a day when you realize you're not just a survivor or warrior. And for some reason, that theme of how people can take their power back has really been so present in so many conversations, in so many places and spaces I've been in recently. And so I guess there's a little bit of that, like giving the positivity and the power and credit to yourself for the life you've lived so far instead of saying like, oh, I've been through all of this. It's like, yeah, and I've fucking nailed it. no matter how hard it was, I did it, and I'm here. And I love that.

I really like the idea that you don't have to be bummed or shamed. You can be proud. I think that's sort of great. That feels like it for me in this moment. I love that. That's a good one. That seems good. Daphne, thank you for joining us.

It was so good to see you, friend. The best. Guys, thanks for having me. Tell everybody, because obviously you're the best at podcasting, where we can find yours, where people can listen, how much is available to listen to, give us the rundown of all things, still the place for our listeners. So it's called Still the Place because our show back in the 90s was Melrose Place. And it comes out every Monday.

There's a new episode. We have four up already. It's produced by IHeart, and it's available anywhere, though, where they say. that you can get wherever you can get podcasts. And it's Courtney Thorn Smith and Laura and myself. We're starting from the very beginning and we will be rewatching all of them. And so we hope people can watch Melrose Place. You can do it on Paramount or Amazon and come and watch us with all the behind the scenes.

And, you know, we talk about all of our audition processes and how and then, you know, what it was like coming on the show. And Courtney has so many great memories. And it's a whole other era of the 90s. if you want just an escape, you know, to just enjoy what we wore alone in the 90s. Sounds awesome. That's a hairspray that that required. Also, I have to say, like the excitement percolating in my friend group, my girlfriend, Sam,

from college and one of my best friends, Jamie, from right after college, the three of us for the longest time lived in an apartment building off of Melrose Place. And we were just, and this was like before you and I had started working together and we were like it's Melrose place like the new class we kept joking about it and then when you came on one tree hill like my friends like died and so I don't know this this feels very very fun for us none of us lives there anymore but oh my god it was the time yeah very cool I we still hear that like people I really love it because we did wait all these years 30 years and as I said it just sort of happen spontaneously but it's long enough ago that people can like you smile when you

talk about that it's a memory it's a you know a nostalgia too because it's a real era and people's when they were young in college or just after college so it's really fun but i love it come back on and to with you too and uh this has been great you guys are thank you so much yeah thank you for joining us just a lot of fun yeah thank you and friends we'll see you all next week for season seven episode five you're cheating heart hey thanks for listening Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Dramaquins at iHeartRadio.com.

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