Drama Queens - The Ultimate Mix-Tape • EP106

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

At Tree Hill High School, mix-tapes were the ultimate sign of affection, and life imitates art... The girls share their favorite real life mix-tape stories and talk about those feelings of young love! Find out why filming this all-night-shoots episode was particularly close to Hilarie, Joy & Sophia's hearts, and how the episode's uplifting theme of "finding common ground" inspires each of them.Plus, a web cam in a teenage girl's bedroom, casual gun pulls, and a glossed-over pill problem?? We need to discuss. And, um, is Brooke Davis responsible for not just TIK TOK, but UBER too!? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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should we get into episode six every night is another story the air date of this episode was October 28th 2003 I loved it what happens tell us what happens in it yeah give me the goods

give us the rundown okay so what happens in this episode and this is a big one it's the first away game for the Ravens they go to play Pickerington and Whitey throws Lucas and Nathan and off the bus after the game because they started punching it out on the court

and got thrown out of the game and tackled me and harmed me. They wounded hands in. I was injured bad. You poor little bunny. So it leaves them stranded, 30 miles from home. They encounter a carload of the rival team guys who threaten them with a gun.

So weird, by the way, casual gun pole in high school? No, thank you. No, thank you. Okay. And then due to my injury and, well, I should say Brooks, to clarify, due to Brooks injury and the pain pills that she took to the face, she needed a little help getting in the car from both Peyton and Haley. So many weird casual, like traumas in this episode. Like gun violence and addiction. I'm like, what is going on?

Just a little oxy party. No big whoop. Fine. Yeah. Meanwhile, Karen and Keith go to the small business dinner. and Dan and Deb are there and they get seated at the same table. Soinx.

It's a lot of drama. Of course they did. Of course they did. Because somebody at the Small Business Association assumed they liked each other. Oh my God. They didn't get them out. I should have liked to see that.

I wish there had been somebody who just really disliked someone at that table and like purposely just sitting in the corner watching them, like eating his soup just like happy to see the table. The head of the chamber of commerce. name's like Earl or something She was in the corner with his pinky on his mouth

Guys this was legit one of my favorite episodes to shoot It was too And maybe it's because Like we were separated by ourselves The whole time Like we had It was the first time

It was just the girls Being just girls the whole time And so there was no like You know longing looks And forlorn It was just us being goobers It was all kind of real too, I mean, for me, I definitely felt that I was still kind of feeling out you guys and we were all feeling out each other. And like, so everything that was on camera was a lot of what we were actually, I mean, for me anyway, it was a lot of what I was actually feeling of like, are we going to get along? Is this okay? Is this? I don't know how this is going to go. Are we going to have fun together? Yeah. I love that in this episode, they're like, you Hicks at Pickerington. And meanwhile, like, we've all moved off to Hickville.

Um, wait, Sophie, okay, Sophia had a thought. Oh, yeah. So I was going to say, I think one of the things that I loved about, even the opening of the episode, well, first of all, how funny it is that it opens smack dab in the middle, right? Yeah. Peyton and Haley in the front seat of the car and you almost crash and Brooke wakes up and is so confused and it cuts back and forth from us to the guys. Yes, totally.

And I get to kind of be the voice for the audience at the end of the teaser going, What the hell is going on here? For the whole episode, which is great. Because when you're like, oh, you guys think this is going to work. Oh, that made me so sad. That broke my heart. But it was sweet to do the, you know, 12 hours earlier rewind. The thing that kind of struck me as we were watching it together is we all had the same version of feedback being like, oh, look at us being like real little kids.

Like they, there's fun and. silliness and charm between all the friends and I don't know it just felt so nice us like you know play fighting with pom-poms in your room and it was it was just so sweet that was a fun little scene because it was the first time that we had real like extended scene work together that didn't involve like the whole cast and crew it was really like little intimate scenes so us just getting to play in the bedroom was really cute because that is how I interacted with my girlfriends in high school. We were on the cheerleading squad and like going to each other's house before games and being in our uniforms and like getting in our cutlists and go into the,

you know, 7-11 to get slurpees before the game, you know, like totally. It felt real in a way that some of the other stuff is like really heightened and crazy. And then when Joy and I got to do the stuff while we went to go get gas, that was the first time I feel like we really got into our like mutual love of Broadway. You know, and, like, really, like, dug in. And so all of that tender excitement that's coming through on camera, in my recollection, felt so, so real. Yeah. Yeah, me too.

Me too. Watching the boys play nice. And, like, play dirty and then play nice was really rewarding. We joked while we watched it that they were, like, Bo and Luke Duke, just like, those Duke boys causing trouble, you know? There they go. I love that this episode was a standalone episode. Like if you had never seen the show, you kind of could drop into it. And it was a good introduction of who everybody is in a way.

But it also moved. And it was out of sort of an out of time. It could have happened any day. But it moved so much of the story forward. When did we do our first TRL appearance? Because I feel like this episode was a reintroduction of everything. Oh, because, hold on, I'm going to Google that. Somebody needs to find out.

I don't know. And you know what? I think, too, I think that's such a good observation on both your parts. Because remember, we got pulled up to air in September. We weren't supposed to air until January. And I remember the big thing every week being, wow, the word of mouth. Because the audience was like doubling and tripling every week for our show. So I think that by this point, six episodes in, they were like, all right, we got to figure out a way.

to pepper in information about each of these characters in case new viewers are showing up now. So it does feel a bit like that. Like, hey, you know, thanks to everyone who's been here. And then for all you new folks coming in, this is who these people are. This is what their relationships are. Yeah, for sure.

I think you're totally right. We also had kind of fleshed ourselves out over the first five episodes. It was like, we didn't know about Peyton's mom. We didn't know about like Brooke being like the rich, popular girl. You know, we didn't know Haley's background. You know, so now that we have

all the exposition, now we just get to play. Now it's just like, okay, let's get silly. You know, we're little kids now, which we totally did. Joy, get into the plot points here. Oh, well, I just want to say,

there's so much to cover. So, I mean, if we're going to go in order, let's first talk about the mix CD that you give to Lucas. And the mixtape on the bus. P.S. Whatever. Guys, that's on brand for me. Yes, whatever.

I have had many a romance over a mixtape, including my husband. Oh, me too. My husband, when we first started kissing, was like sending me Bonnie Vair songs. And I was like, this will work. Okay. Yeah, like, that's my love language. What's the best mixtape you remember getting? Do you have, like...

I mean, I definitely traded mixtapes in high school. That was really a thing. And you remember sitting by the stereo with your hand over the record and play button at the same time listening to the radio waiting for your song. For days. For days. For days. Perfect.

Hours, you just sit there waiting to hear your song. It's a lost art. When we were able to make mixed CDs, though, that was a game changer. Because you didn't have to record it off the radio anymore. Do you remember that boy I was friends with in town that was in a band? He used to make good CDs. Oh, yeah. Great CDs.

The best CDs. He loved you. Like a lot of Jeff Buckley. Honey's, if you're listening and you want to get a girl to like you, you put some Jeff Buckley on a mixtape and she will like you. Yeah. That song that everybody here wants you song. That's my favorite.

Oh, my God. Right? I mean, I'm just going to take off my clothes right now. That and that, whatever that Robin Thick song is that we always used to sing to. Yes. Oh, my God. We were in our prime thick day. in the day, back in the day.

It was that album he did, oh, baby girl, you the shit, that makes you my equivalent. That wasn't the song, though. No, but it was that album. There was a slow, there was a, what was it? There was like a sexy one.

Yes, lost without you. Yeah. It was so good. It was a good time, kids, those early 2000s. But mixtapes, really were such a way to convey feelings. I mean, my God, I remember, oh, I remember in my mid-20s just like, I was like, oh, I am in love when I got like the best mixed CD. And it's like, you really know me. You know me. That's what it is. It doesn't feel like that. You know me.

When I lived in New York, I was seeing this guy. Well, we were kind of dancing around seeing each other. We liked each other. But he was at Juilliard. and he was super into like Jeff Buckley and Bob Dylan and all these like super emo artists and I was just like we just loved each other but we did never say it and um

those are the best I remit those are the best and I have all these memories of like nights in the Juilliard hallway like saying good night and he'd like kiss me tonight I don't know is it going to happen he would hand me a mixtape like oh my first he was a CD at that by that

I was like, I made you this. And then I'd go home and listen and just cry and like, you know, daydream. It was the best being young and love. It's such a good feeling. Okay, Joy, I had a boy that I loved in New York City and he gave me mixtapes. And I would, oh my God, like, I'm like listening to these and I'm like, I think he's telling me that he loves me. Like, what? Yes, this is crazy.

And then I found out it was just his yearly mix and he made the same set and gave it to all his friends as like, these are the favorite songs. as like, these are the favorite songs of this year. I was horrified. No. It was heartbreaking. Because I really thought, like, I'm speechless. He's telling me that he loves me.

Not true. These were just like the good songs that came out this year, you know? Oh, man. Guys, you need to know how loaded mixtapes are. They're business, man. Yeah. It's not for the faint of heart. I actually remember having like a, does he like me or does he not?

like me, like moment with some friends in high school. And I finally was like, he doesn't like me. He's never made me a mixtape. It's not like that. We're just friends. Like, it was that big of a deal that if, if it never happened, somebody wasn't, it wasn't like that. That wasn't the vibe. It was platonic. But also, are kids like that now? I don't know. I think they are. I think the younger, like the younger teenagers and, like, between 14 and 22, because my brother's 20. And I think in that age range, like, they're really into retro stuff. So they do things like that. Now, like, to me, I'm like, who is time to make a mixtape? I mean, oh, my God. I don't have time to do that. But I love. Joy, we have a mortgage. That's true.

They're just going to school. What did you do today? I made a mixtape. Go fucking pay your bells, Joy. Yeah, pay your bills. Joy. The closest is the net. But closest I've come to making a mixtape in years is, like, making a playlist on Spotify. Oh, yeah, I guess that's what the kids are doing. I mean, fine, kids. But, like, I can't imagine it being burned on a CD. Well, on a CD? Yeah, CD.

What's a CD? Who owns a burner anymore? What was on the mixtape that Peyton gave to Lucas, though, that CD? Do you know? Is that? I feel like they probably put some songs out there. what I mean. Like, I feel like there was Tegan and Sarah in the episode. And just

to you guys at home, know, I was a massive Teagan and Sarah fan. And so I... You were, I remember that. So forth was too. Same. And we were just like, put them on the show. Put them on the show. Please, please, please. Trick came along. I thought, for sure, we were going to get them. Right. Oh, it just didn't happen. It didn't happen.

Unfair. Guys, I'm still looking up this Robin Thick situation because it's going to kill me. It was Cherry Blue Skies was the name of the album. What was the name of that stupid song? What are you trying to figure out? That Robin Thick song that was so sexy. Lost Without You.

Oh, see, I had a different one. There was Sugar Mama was really good. Yeah, Cherry Blue Skies was a really good one too. Anyway, I got sidetrack. What the why do you guys don't know is, okay, so this episode was directed by Jason Moore, who is a huge, Broadway director actually, which is, I think one of the big things that during this episode,

especially during that scene, Hillary, when you and I were going for a walk, our very slow, the slowest emergency walk ever. For two girls. And we've left our, like, drugged up injured friend in a car on a lonesome highway.

Girls, don't ever do that. That's girl code. Number one, don't leave your girlfriend. No way. You piggyback her to town, man. Yep. But Jason directed it, and we all got to talking about Broadway for, and so that's how sort of Hillary and I think really bonded in that regard.

And Jason had directed Avenue Q at that point, and we got to figure out what else he's directed since then. He's like a ton of crazy. I just remember feeling like, will you take us with you? Like I wanted to impress him so bad. And I just so was like, this situation's a little bit uncomfortable sometimes because we'd already been dealing with some, like, you know, foreshadowing of what we were going to deal with

behind the scenes for the next six years. And he was such a safe, lovely, like, communicative director. Oh, yeah. Oh, I wanted him back so bad. He was so great. Take us with you. Yeah, he was wonderful.

Oh, listen to your suitcase, please. Of course. Oh, yeah. Oh. Which is a, I know. I was like, Jason, please. Hi. Hi, remember me?

Hello, hello. Did you have fun with us? I can do that too. Guys, he never came back to us. I know. I know. He was like, guys, I'm not taking that double flight to Wilmington. Brooke was so fun.

Yeah. A webcam. Yeah. I mean. Shaking your ass. Oh, man. I just love the moments where, and I can see it differently now, like the moments where I felt free to play and be a kid and are moments in your room.

And it's all just. silly and so adorable. And then, you know, there's like the forced, like, now I'm supposed to flirt with the grown-up man for the medicine. Like, it's so weird and I hate those scenes. So I have, I have this very personal, like, oh, half the time I'm anxious and half the time I'm just loving it. And the stuff with all of us is so, it is. It's just charming and it's funny. Did you know anybody back then that had a webcam? Because I for sure didn't. Like, it was, like, First I'd heard of it, you know. Yeah, talk about another casual throw-in of something that's kind of a big deal for a high school girl to have a webcam in her bedroom.

Like pointed at her bed. You know what I mean? Ousick, ew. I never knew if it was something that, like, her dad had set up so that he could make sure she was alive because her dad's just, like, gone on a fishing vessel. Yeah, but they should have addressed that. Why didn't we get to see that? I, babe, I think it plays out all through the first season. I mean, it plays out all the way through the psychoderic stuff.

Oh, yeah. But I just never, ever met a kid that did something like that. And now you've got little kids with YouTube channels. And it's so common. And it's super weird. It's really weird. Yeah. Does your daughter ever ask if she can do that?

No, she's not allowed on YouTube. Yeah. And she, like, if I'm not there with her, because I just don't, you know, the ads pop up. And people are creepy and they put stuff in kid videos that I just, no. So, um, yeah. But she has seen like clips of things where the kids are unwrapping the toys. Oh my gosh. So I'm going to, I'll text it to you girls.

Maria did a video of like an unboxing video where she has like all these little, but it's not anything real from like an actual, it's just toys from inside of her room. Right. Like a little Fabrije egg that I passed off. And I was like, this is a fake fabricier egg. I was like, I don't want this. It looks like a, you know, mini, like, fairy palace to her. So it's got that with some plastic little thing.

It's really cute. But I was going, and she's talking through the whole thing. Now, if you want to see what's inside this, you're going to have to wait because we're going to open the other ones first. I'm like, what the hell? Where did you learn this stuff? Kids love it. Gus. Gus doesn't realize that every, oh, no, God, no, God.

No, but Gus watches all like the Minecraft, like the gamers. That's what little boys are into. And so, he's on Twitch? No, God, no. He doesn't realize every video that he shoots on his iPad goes to Jeff's phone. And so at night, we lay in bed and we watch him be like, all right, guys, today we're talking about Dantidium and Minecraft. And so they're practicing these host skills, which will benefit them in the future, you know,

just like public speaking and being able to communicate with people. But back in 2003 when we did this, the idea of a child being on the internet, like just offering up her bedroom for strangers was insane. Yeah. I still think it's insane. Well, now they're all doing those sexy TikTok dances. All the kids. Oh, God. That stresses me out.

I guess it's interesting to think about it in those terms because when Brooke runs in and, you know, it was such a casual. TikTok girl. Doing that dance on the lamp. Oh my God. Also, Brooke invented Uber, but it's fine. That comes later this season.

I'm like, give me my money. I came up with this idea. But I think something's really interesting because there is this like very sweet, innocent, youthful moment. And what I love too is

there's been so much angst and so much drama. And when I come into your room and it's just like, oh, it's playful. There's an understanding of what was going on. And I love how they unpack it as friends with humor. Yeah.

But now seeing it, you know, running over and doing the cheer, I don't know what this is. That's my cheer. Running over and doing the cheer and then like flashing ass at the webcam and going, well, that's what they're for. I'm like, wait, were we trying to poke fun at it? Or what were we doing? What was the writer's motivation in that moment? There was a lot of brook ass in this episode, by the bye.

And we need to talk about how the uniforms changed in this episode. We had had, as soon as they came on screen. It was like, wait a bit. What happened to the other half of the uniforms? You guys, when Hillary and I walked out at the away game, all three of us were like, what are those? Like, our uniforms were shrunk by half. The tops are like bras.

Where did the rest of the tops go? Guys, I'm going to blame the OC again. They were like, how do we sexy this show up about basketball? I know. We're going to cut up those fucking uniforms. That's right. They're just so not cute. I don't know.

I have a real long torso. And so these suits specifically were tough on me because you could see everyone else's belly buttons, but not mine because I guess I have a low button, guys. and I was always so self-conscious in those stupid things. Yeah, give us a full shirt. Aw. Yeah.

And remember the hair fight I had about how cheerleaders don't wear their hair down? Because if you stunt, you could get injured. I lost the fight by this episode. I lost the fight. Yeah, we weren't getting anywhere with it.

Sexy cheer. Which was irritating. My favorite moment of the basketball game was Brooke with the putting all the pieces together. It's an iconic line. I love that part of the scene so much because I really, it was a fun moment. You know, they, I remember speaking to Jason and him saying, you're going to do a lot of comic relief. Like, we're letting tension out in this episode.

And I felt that because the last one was so heavy. And I don't know. I think I really felt permission to do more than what was on the page, more than like, be the bad girl. And it was so fun And that moment of standing there You know, well, I think that Nathan likes Tudorone And Tudorov and I know And it was just so a love rectangle plus one

Whatever that is God, it's good But you got it in like two takes You also like nailed it Because Joy and I have talked We're like I feel like that scene took a really long time To shoot other scenes I remember that being just like Wizardry you know

you nailed it because you knew how to hit all those beats so that the audience got up to speed on what's what. You had to provide crazy exposition there and you did it in such a funny way that it's become a line that people come up to us at conventions and say, you know? I love it. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges,

we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic. or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How long did that stunt take that the guy's falling on you? I don't remember, but God, I got elbowed a couple of times. And if you pay attention, not that I really want everyone inspecting my ass,

because it was a battle I lost and I wound up with, you know, my ass up in the camera in the back seat later in the episode. But I have huge bruises like down my whole white like ass cheek and thigh because those big ass boys fell on me and then they were fighting. And I remember getting elbowed like in the gluteous and you can see. see these huge bruises on my butt later in the episode. It was when everyone was still

trying to prove that we were really method actors and it was like, yeah, no, no, no, cool, we're just going to fight for real, it would be great. Yeah, just go at it, really, make it look real. And I'm underneath the two of them being like, ow, ow, please, stop. You don't have to prove anything, it's fine. No, you know what else makes me laugh? Because I realized looking at it that it's ADR. Because when you

come and like save me and give me the hug hill, I remember, and I can see it going pain and they made me ADR pain over pain is that what it was oh no it's funny you can see it it's totally it's totally looped and it's so silly pain I mean it's a sad it's a sad line like for real though there was so much casual stuff in this episode the pill thing let's talk about the pill thing oh man when we were watching it back it's not okay it was before anybody was talking about an opioid epidemic. And it's, I mean, I remember doctors just being like, do you want a prescription?

You know, like it was handed out like a freaking candy back then. So the idea that these like kids were just kind of being playful about it now is such a horror show, you know? Ew, gross. Yeah, it doesn't age well. And the idea that a kid might be like, oh, this might be a cool way for me to get a little, you know, fucked up tonight. Yeah, let's party. Let's party. and I'm like, or don't, that, oh, God, it just feels, it feels cringy.

It's so scary to me. I never, I mean, I know, I know a lot of people have tried that. I, I, I, it always scared me the idea of just going into a medicine cabinet and just like taking pills. I don't know what they are, what they're for, what it would do to me. Yeah. I was too scared to do it. Well, and the guy who played the trainer is a buddy from the improv scene in Wilmington. So when we, oh, that's cool.

When we descended on the improv world, um, Cullen. who plays junk, was a part of, like, this improv comedy scene. And he would invite us to level five to come see improv comedy night. And Sam was an actor that was, like, a big part of the theater scene. Sam Robinson. And he felt like such a creeper. Like, he was so excited to be on the show, but he's doing it as, like, this kind of predatory, you know, creepy college guy, passing out pills to little girls. Your legacy is better than that, Sam.

You deserve more. We love you, Sam. Poor guy. They always threw so many good guys in the rough positions. Well, that's it. If you're a local actor and they're like, you're cast, kid. And then you've got to play a pervert or like somebody doing like college date rape or passing out drugs to kids. It's like, wop, ma'p, man, yeah.

I thought it was a good moment for Brooke. I thought I liked, I know, it's like any time we. do something that's not setting a great example. It's always cringy. But I liked for Brooke seeing, I like seeing all the layers. And, you know, there was the one time we just get to see a little bit of her real trouble in spite of all the fun and all the, you know, upness, heightened. Oh, God. I mean, did I not go to school? Where's my vocabulary? Upness. No, girl, upness is a word. I like upness. Upness. Her upness was not on display in that scene. she was feeling it well yeah it was I liked seeing her flaw because it just it gave you more to

to look forward to with her for later that it wasn't just she's not just a fun bubbly girl she's got some real shit going on and it made me want to see more of her oh I love that I think I had to find a little bit of that line for her there thinking okay well what is she trying to escape you know what is she trying to be distracted from and and figuring out, I think for each of us, you know, those moments where we could add something for these girls, you know, something that wasn't on the page, find whether it was humor or seriousness or vulnerability. I mean, even the two of you in that very slow walk, your mozy, you're mozy to like, I love it because looking back, I see you guys. You know, I see Peyton and Haley, sure,

but I see the two of you and the way you giggle and the way you giggle and the way. way that you each find things funny and and i making fun of chad in that scene felt so scandalous like i heard being like did it yeah like because everyone had teased chad in real life about his like blue steel you know about like the brood and stuff yeah made the script they wrote it in and joy and i got to like poke fun at it i felt like we were getting away with murder it was just like oh my god is he Is he going to be mad at us? Oh, it's so cute. We enjoyed that.

But I feel like watching the scene, I was like, oh, I want to know what was on the page and what you guys like ad-lived and threw in. Because I knew watching it, obviously not being there because I was pretending to be passed out in the car. But watching it, I was like, oh, they sparkled it up. And I want to see a side by side. It was fun because we had a theater director. So there's so much scene.

work in this episode. It's not about sexy, broody shots. It's not about, you know, big, huge, you know, lots of extras, chaotic scenes. It's about two people talking most of the time, whether it's Dan and Keith, you know, like, it's always about people talking, the brothers, the girls. And having a theater director for that was just so awesome. Yeah. And I feel like you can see it in certain moments too even choices that were made like the stuff going on with the boys when they get into that fight that feels it's choreography it's yeah it does feel like stagework and and when it turns oh what a moment when you're like oh my god i can't believe nathan hit him and they're fighting and it's crazy and then when he throws him on the car the second time you're like

what is he doing yeah and he goes for the keys oh yeah and the moment and the moment moment. Oh, man, where you realize, you know, that that was Nathan's way of putting them on the same team. And they have that sweet talk. I really was interested in that because my first thought was why did Nate, why do you think Nathan gave Lucas that piece of information about his childhood with Dan? And that's a real story too. Like those dads are so prevalent. I grew up with three brothers playing little league baseball, and then I cheered for football from fourth grade to my senior year in high school. And like, those dads are real. The dad that will hurt you and humiliate you in front of an entire group of people in front of all of your peers, that's a really

real thing. And the way James delivered it was really effective because that humiliation lingers. You know, that's not something that you get to take back later as a parent. Mm-mm. Yeah. Why did he give that information to Lucas, though, out of all the posturing that they've been doing with each other and sort of constant playing chicken and why now? It would have been so easy for him to just keep going. Why did he give him that info? Do you think after the father's son game? Because that was terrible.

Like it showed Nathan had a heart. Yeah. It did. And you said something about a common enemy earlier, Hillary. your question is kind of making me connect some dots. They had this horrible experience at the father's son game that made them understand that they share this awful thing. And then they go to this game and they start beating the shit out of each other.

And the minute that they get out and they're stranded and this other team comes along, it's almost like it gives them a reason to realize that they do have a common enemy. They're not each other's enemy, but they're. coming at each other over the same issue over and over and over again. And the minute they're given someone else to focus their attention, their anger, their hurt, their letdown on, they're playing for the same team. It's really good structure. And while all that's happening out on the road, you see Dan and Keith fighting.

And Deb going, oh, our son got kicked out of a game for fighting with his brother. original, you know, calling Dan out. It's like, you're the same. Why do you think he's like this? And so you're seeing these kind of, you know, this, this like dynastic long life moment. And then are the kids going to do the same thing or do it differently and do it better? I loved this, this message of you can walk in somebody else's shoes. You can see things from the perspective of somebody that you would never talk to, that you'd never hang out with in our case. So even somebody that you really hate and have a long history with, there is still, you know, hopefully we don't all want to bond over, you know, I hate a common enemy.

But if we have to. But it's like a worst case scenario. Right. Exactly. But, you know, it's possible. It's just that I love anything that's talking about the triumph of the human spirit in that way, which I just think we really hit on in this, that there's always a way to connect with someone that's the other regardless of, like I read a political quote. It was, it was, you know,

eight years ago. It was a long time ago. And it made so much sense to me personally because they were talking about a politician and one of their aides and how they were the same species of animal, right? And when they exist in the wild, they cohabitate beautifully. They hunt the same. They process the same. They interact the same. But the second you put them in a cage together, they try to kill each other because same animals aren't supposed to be locked in together. And it was a, it reminded me of how we all were behind the scenes because we are all so similar. We all had to be really ambitious as young women. We had to, you know, forge our own way. None of us had family that could like get us jobs and stuff like we had don't scrapple and is it scrapple is that like a

breakfast or is that i like that happy with scrapple yeah yeah we i don't know that that's the right word guys joy and i are upness and scrapple today just i want i want sorg on a t-shirt and i want scrapple on a t-shirt i want a lot and upness that's our tattoo upness yeah but i feel like When you lock any wild animal up in an unnatural habitat, it's going to freak out. And that's what the boys are doing in this episode is perhaps what we did behind the scenes some of the time because we were locked up. And the second we all were allowed to just like take a breath, it was like, I love that you're the same animal as me. Let's hunt together. Like this feels nice.

Let's form a tribe. And it's cool to see it play out in the storyline of the show, you know, knowing, like, everything that happened for the next six years. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's move on to Deb and Dan. She's so good. How classy is she? She is so classy.

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. They all fought in the room and it was, like, dramatic. And, you know, that was sort of the big thing. But what really hit me was that moment in the hotel lobby with two of them sitting there. And she could have said all of those lines real bitchy and real like throwing a fit and going upstairs. She could have yelled at him. Yeah. Raised her voice.

She didn't. She clasped that. Oh. She's so good. Hillary, I love what you said. We were talking about it while we were watching it and you go, oh, she just seems so moneyed. Yeah. Yeah.

It makes her seem really rich, you guys. Like rich people don't yell. Don't be common. You know? I'm too rich to yell It's like darling I am never going to make a scene You know

There's other people in this lobby I would never let them know that I'm mad at you But I'm mad at you It's so classy And I have to imagine Like if that was a audition scene 99% of women would have like thrown a shoe at Dan

You know Or stood up and like Poured a drink on him And she just It takes so much more strength To be still Yeah And it felt so powerful after her conversation with Keith, you know, Deb going to talk to him, getting him a drink and him getting to ask her.

Because he gets to be us in that moment, the audience, and say, why are you with this guy? And they get so vulnerable. And Deb and Keith being buddies is so delicious. You guys, the whole time I watched it, all I could think about was the two of them in front of that. fireplace years down the road like spoiler alert the chemistry the chemistry barb can create chemistry with like a shoebox you know what i mean and so so to watch the two of them like smolder together and her in her cute dress and like they both are just so um they've both been hurt by dan in that scene and they're collaborators in that scene and it's great foreshadowed.

to what's going to happen, you know? It makes me excited for them to hook up years later. Yes. And her in that moment trying to give him the courage to go for it with Karen. You know, you realize he's been

belittled by Dan forever. And for Deb to look at him and say, you should go for it. She might see you as more than a friend. Like, I almost feel like she's giving him a confidence boost that he's really lacking. And it's just so, it's so generous and then with with dan provoking him and just being so cruel to him

and keith trying to hit him and it going so awry which is like such a wound to pride I love that he missed I love that he missed and then he still is just like I don't care you're still an asshole he wasn't humiliated he wasn't but like oh god what that gave when she came back to dan and that casual I'm going to go upstairs and pack when she said she got them a room for the night so they could have like a couple's evening away and just that like I'm not sleeping with your ass tonight you know oh it was so nice and you know she paid for that room you know that was on deb's credit card exactly I love that I also didn't think about the fact that like if Dan's got this little brother syndrome thing Nathan's the little brother

too. It's like, you know how like your trauma or your parents trauma is like, oh, I was a middle child? And so then they, they also like favor the other middle child that they eventually have because it's like, I can connect with you. I feel like Dan connects with that younger son energy that Nathan has, you know? And so resents Lucas the same way he resents Keith. It's like, why are you not bothered by anything? Why don't you want more? You know, it's, um, it's, it's, um, it's. It's, um, it's a It's competitive, but it's also, you know, Dan hates Lucas the way he hates Keith. He's just got a chip on his shoulder about older brothers. Can we talk about Brooks' cute little car?

That's not an awful car. The car was so popular. That car was so popular when this episode came out. Do you remember how it had a vase? Yes. You put a sunflower in it? Daisy in it. Listen, we're so basic that someone put a test tube and a car.

car and called it a vase. And we were all like, we have to have this. Wow. What was your first car in Wilmington? What did you guys get? Ooh. Because a lot of us got our first car there. I brought, well, I went to college in L.A. So I brought my car out. But man, I do remember when we got the bug, when they first talked to me about Brooke getting a convertible bug in my head, it was like Herbie the Love Bug, I thought it was going to be a little vintage, cute, like classic bug, and then they pulled up in the brand new one, I was heartbroken. And then I was like, well, I mean, yeah, if she's 16, maybe she's not into classic cars. I was just like Eeyore.

I was so sad because I grew up going to car shows with my dad, like classic cars are our thing. And I thought like, I'm going to get to drive around in a cute little Herbie. No. And there was a very specific stigma around that car at the time. It was like if you were like a rich daddy's girl, that was your car. And it was like a teen girl car. I feel like there were reality shows happening at the time, like the simple life or something. You know, like where, you know, girls in juicy suits were driving those bug convertables.

It's an exciting. I saw Katie Holmes driving that car once. Really? Oh. She doesn't strike me as a bug girl. No, me either. Me either. I mean, who knows? Maybe she was just test driving it. Maybe she's borrowing it. Maybe she's rent. I mean, I don't know anything. I don't know her. I don't know her. But I saw her turn a corner and I was like, huh. In a restaurant. I wouldn't have you for that car. Did you get a car right away? I don't. I remember Joy talking me about her dream car. She's like, one day, I am going to get a cherry red vintage pickup truck. And by God, if she didn't do it, folks. Daddum it, I did it. You did it.

What was your car in Wilmington? I don't remember what you drove. I feel like I don't remember. I mean, I know my first car in L.A. It was a Mazda Miata, a little convertible Mazda Miata, which didn't hand. It was, it was not an automatic. It was manual and it was, did not do well on those hills like the hill up to La Ciena. What is that?

La Cianna up to sunset. Oh, yeah, up to sunset. That's a brutal hill. Yeah, there was a couple of times. I was like, I hope this thing doesn't give out on me because I'm going to roll all the way back down. I don't remember. Did I have a convertible in Wilmington? I really don't remember what my car was there.

Do you guys remember? I don't know. I went, I had my parents back home in Wilmington or back home in Virginia. I was like, Mom, Dad, I need a car. And they found for like $2,500. It was like the cheapest car ever. It was a 1986 gold Mercedes, like a grandma car. And it still had like the ashtrays in the armrests, you know?

So you could just like chain smoke in there. and it was horrible. Like the windows wouldn't roll down. The AC didn't work, but it was a boat. God, it was such a good car. But, like, parking that downtown on a Saturday night was an issue. That's why, like, you guys are the Ruby Suites. I mean, like, it's cool, cool, I'm going to park in your parking lot, and then we'll walk.

Yeah, I loved it. You know, being a, being, like, real little kids and not knowing to get, like, a fancy car. You know, just being like, I guess it can get me to work. is so different from the experience that we see a lot of these, like, young actors with now, where they're like, oh, here's my Bentley frickin' whatever. And I'm just like, what? You know, what happens when you run into something? Yeah, it's a very common thing when you're, when you're that young to think.

I have money, so now that means I must spend it on expensive things. That's not what money means. No, guys, we're spending that on firebelly tacos and hogart and beer. A car. What are you talking about? Don't be ridiculous. Save it. Don't spend it.

I definitely towed the line there, though, because I grew up, like, such a car junkie. Yeah. And I remember... You got your fancy car. Oh, man. I remember I bought myself. I had this cool old Toyota forerunner. Food runner.

What am I saying? Upness. Food runner. And what's her other? Scrapple. Scraple. Scrapple. That's going to be the

Our board game, the name of our board game. Honestly, we deserve it. Scrapple. We deserve it. We deserve it. Guys, we're sober right now.

We're slap happy. But I had this truck all through high school and I did a commercial and I remember in college, my dad and I like, oh man, we were so dorky, my sweet dad.

We were like really jazzed on that funny little BMW that came out as like the bond car. I don't even remember what it was called the little two-seater convertible and they were so expensive like so expensive so expensive so that wasn't going to happen

and I did a commercial and I traded in my car and I got like a little three series two-door BMW that had not a bell or a whistle on it but I was like I'm doing it and I remember I like went home

to pick up my dad and he was just like this is so cool kid and he gave me this like whole lecture about how he was really proud of me for making my own money but anytime i wanted to buy something i needed to calculate what it was actually costing me because of taxes and then i needed to save at least 40% of that before i made it like it was a whole and i was like you're ruining my moment i got my car just stop talking you love cars you were a gearhead from like the job i am yeah i am yeah i have a yeah i have vehicles you could have worked in keith's garage oh i would have loved it What a cute twist.

Oh, man. If Brooke Davis had gone to work for Keith Scott. Damn it, I would have loved that. Hey, guys. Yeah. Let's just do it. Let's just. Okay.

Well, let's talk about Keith. Yeah, sweet. Right. Exactly. He is so freaking cute in this episode. He's so cute. He is. I'm conflicted about this last scene.

Are you? As a woman who has taken care of too many drunk men. been there I hear you You know There's a part of me That was just like I really cringed

I was really just like You know The romanticizing of like Oh it's okay That he's just But but you know That being said It's also not a habit

It's not like we've seen Keith Just constantly being It was like one night He had a little much Like whatever So maybe that's just me Overreacting But I did

Feel it fully When he said I love you And I loved, like, just the honesty and that they really finally had a moment where they could just be really real with each other. Yeah. Felt really good. When they each said, like, I feel like this was a date for a minute. Yeah. Yeah.

And he admitted it in the sweetest little way. You know, Deb told me that maybe we were on a date and I should pretend and, you know, and her, oh, God, and her saying, I pretended. too like how did they not kiss it's like i'm thinking about what their high school experience was so what is keith is he supposed to be like two years older than dan or like was he a senior when karen was a sophomore like why didn't she go for him he's so now maybe he was out of high school already he was in college by then yeah yeah man oh man that would make the most that would make me the most comfortable with their storyline if just like they didn't really know each other for the first, you know, four or five years or something.

And then he comes home from college and he's like, my little brother's an asshole, I got to help out. And then, you know, he started their whole thing. But I love them. I have always, I always shipped Karen and Keith. Always did. I felt like that was a miss, not really going for that. Well, we got cheated. We got cheated.

We needed at least two more years of Keith. We really did. Yeah. And we really did. Let's talk about the baby-sized gun for a second because, oh, guys, like, I talk about stuff that doesn't hold up, like, even just in the span of our own show to have this, like, laughable little starter pistol, you know, in episode six. And then, you know, two years later, we're doing the Jimmy Edwards episode. Yeah. Like, if you're ever somewhere where someone pulls out a gun, it is not funny and you should scoot immediately.

I've been at those parties. They're not cool. Like, tell your friends who do that, that they're dumb. Yeah, it's such a weird, random thing that I don't know that we needed in the episode. No. I think they were trying to paint those dudes as hillbillies. Yeah. And also, like, that the threat.

was real, the threat that something bad might happen to Nathan and Lucas, but I don't know, a knife would have worked just as well. Yeah, better, I think. A little butterfly knife, you know? It's very like a Jets, you know, West Side Story. When you're a jet, you're a Jit all the way. I mean, we had a theater director. They could have had a dance off guys right there on the street.

It would have been better. I would have loved that. Yeah. Unnecessary gunplay. That doesn't hold up. Talking about Nathan giving Haley the nod was a fun bit that came after that. What does it mean when a boy gives a girl the nod? I don't know.

It always feels a little cocky to me. I mean, look. It certainly felt charged. Because in the episode, I mean, come on. When he looks over at you and goes like, hey, everyone's like, oh, everybody feels it. Like, wow. Because he didn't do it to anybody else. Nope.

right it feels good i mean it feels good to be on the receiving end of that nod yeah i mean i just gave you a nod and you grinned so see i'm such a sucker how you do you know what i mean just give me a little joey i'm all i'm all there you're like oh hi is that when you go for joy is it just like cool cool guys we're out for the night this one nodded it's it's a go we're done i get it jeff was a nodder when i met him he was Like, oh, so cocky. Yeah. And the nod. I mean, even still, all these years later, like, if we're out of function and we're across the room,

you get that nod and you're like, you're goddamn right. Let's do this. You know what I mean? Yeah. It feels so good. Across a crowded room, that little quiet communication from your human, when you get the, like, I see you. you're just like yeah you keep looking do we ever grow out of that are we going to be 85 years old I hope not we don't dude we got to not I have a photo of one of my ex-boyfriends at a party

outside my old house and it was like kind of all through the driveway and there and everybody in this photo is looking and I took the photo everybody in the photo is looking at each other and talking and he's like deep in the crowd and if you scan the crowd you can see he's looking straight at me while everybody else is talking and I was just I love that photo even though I'm not together anymore I'm still like yeah my gosh I love this photo I'm blushing do do we want to talk about how humid it was in Wilmington and us all being in our winter gear outside in that heat with the hair and the stickiness and like is that even interesting or should we just move on no I mean we can definitely talk about it because I think it's very prevalent in this episode when you shoot nights

on a show like this. They love wet downs. And what that means for the person at home is they drive a huge tanker truck onto set, full of water, and they spray down the roads because at night it reflects the light and it looks romantic and beautiful.

Guess what I don't give a shit about? Wet roads. You know what I do care about? My hair. At 4 o'clock in the morning, like a wet possum out there. it is just and we and it was hot and we were in these winter coats yeah because we were airing in the fall and I remember sitting out there on that summer night in the heat my hair was expanding like viola swamp

just kept going out and out and you know your mic pack is sticking to your skin and this heavy coat and I'm like eating peanut butter and apples or whatever the craft service would bring me and just thinking is this forever? Is this going to be forever? Is this real life? That's always the funny thing is people go, oh, how fun. And then they come visit and they're like, wait, this is gross.

You're like, yeah. And I'm wearing a cashmere sweater and a leather jacket because this is going to air in October. So hot. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia. and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very

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podcasts. Deanna has a listener question. She says one of my favorite and most quotable episodes is season one, episode six, every night is another story. Girl, same. She says, do you remember a specific monologue that really stuck with you from this episode? Nathan. Yeah.

I agree. I mean, the rectangle plus one is the comedic end of the spectrum. because that quote it is all the exposition it's all the catching up that the audience that was finally coming to watch us needed delivered perfectly and then the sensitive one yeah Nathan that's sweet little bunny getting kicked in the ass yeah his being willing to reveal something you know there there were these moments of kindness given in the episode, you know, theoretically in the middle of the night when all these people had been on these strange adventures together.

Literally in the middle of the night. Literally in the middle of the night because we were shooting that at like 4 o'clock probably 4 a.m. And it makes it all the more like, oof, you get that pang in your heart when the next day at school, everyone's just kind of looking at each other, but separate again. They fall back into their old ways. So yeah Tugs on the heartstrings

It sure does Guys high school was hard High school was so hard But you want to do it most likely to Yes Shall we spin the magical wheel Is it most likely to play gladiator? Guys

I said this when you watched it Get lost in the wilderness It's perfect for this episode Most likely to get lost in the wilderness You couldn't have done it better I said that that fight out in the wilderness felt most like my high school experience because I remember like our basketball game

I actually got a text from one of my classmates' mothers on Facebook or Facebook friends and she goes I remember like the cops getting called to our basketball game because they thought that the Parkview kids were going to rumble with like the kids from like deeper in the county and I was like I'm so glad you reminded me of that

that is my high school experience It's like fist fights in the woods. Wow. Get lost in the wilderness, which character, and then which real-life person? What are we thinking? Is this one, Brooke? I'm pretty sure this one's probably, Brooke. I mean, she kind of was lost in the wilderness, guys.

Hearing birds. But the thing about Brooke is, though, she seemed to like, like, there were just angels shining on her all the time. It seemed like things just worked out. So, you know, I feel like somehow she would have found her way. out of the woods for sure i agree with brook yeah i like that it's like snow white you know you just kind of like yeah i'm gonna stumble into this place and look there's all these little men that are going to take care of me fantastic perfect build me a house i like that one and then there's me who was an actual camp counselor who led other people's children out of the woods yeah sophia you still do that

stuff you're always like in montana in a river up to your ass like fishing. It's true. Yeah, that's your deal. You don't get lost. Who gets lost out of our club? I mean, who have we had to go back places for? I'm trying to think. Well, Craig. Well, would that be correct? There are some stories that are just not appropriate for public consumption. Oh, no, you guys, it's Lee. It's Lee. It's a hundred percent Lee Norris. We've had to get Lee out of some hairy situation. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I was going to tell a story and then was like, nope, can't do that.

But yep, it's Lee. You guys should know that Lee Norris is the most fun Saturday night you'll ever have in your whole life. And sometimes you have to double back to make sure. And he gets home. Yeah. Yeah. Our Instagram followers have a verdict on how many times we crashed the comment, which, by the way, Peyton almost crashed it in this episode.

Yeah. It could have been. Well, that's not the comment. Well, that was the bug. All right. New question. So, Peyton has near misses. How many total cars did we crash on this show?

Because we all were driving each other's cars. So many cars. So that's our new question. But the comet was only crashed twice. Thank you for your house. Wow. Nathan in season one and again with Peyton and season six. Guys, you all are the best.

We do so many takes that it feels. like we crashed it. I mean, we did. We crashed it like dozens of times each time you guys saw at once. So. Yeah. Boom. Well, thank you guys for tuning in. I know this was a long one, but we all loved this episode so much. We're not going to talk your ear off this much on a regular basis. I mean, maybe we will. We've got all the uppness to do it. We've got so much upness and scrappling going on around here. We have lots and lots. Wait, you guys, I saved, oh, I saved something the other day that feels really relevant

to show you. So this does relate to the last episode, but it still feels fresh in my heart. We were talking, obviously, about Haley's hat in the last episode, and we got a tweet from a lovely gal named Noel, who said, my theory, R.E., the Haley hat situation, as they were trying to sneak in some Joey Potter Dawson's Creek vibes. Look at this side by side of y'all. So I saved this. And then so there's, oh, how do I do this on Zoom?

There's Katie. There's Katie in a hat. That's it. I see her. And then. Same hat. Your hat. Oh my gosh.

They were totally. The same cost tumor on both shows? Oh, yes, she was. She was. No. I'm almost totally sure. Before a Carol came? Almost totally.

Yeah. Lee was season one and season two. Yeah. Well, they dyed Katie's hat a different color. Or they just all bought everything at the same shop downtown. That feels right? Yeah. We only had a couple places to go.

But I kind of loved it. So really, the whole reason I wanted to talk about that and, you know, show it to people on the video portion is to say, thank you to our listeners for your excellent internet sleuth thing. because you are finding things that really help us out. Sweet detectives. Hey, you guys are so cool. Awesome. All right, guys, we got another episode next week.

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