Drama Queens - The Wedding CRASHED, with Craig Sheffer • EP216 (PART 2)

Episode Date: April 4, 2022

The conversation with Craig Sheffer continues and is full of surprises! Hilarie reveals who else read for the role of Uncle Keith and we are all shocked. Joy tells Craig about the epic crush she had on him while filming and he tells us about the adorable way she revealed this to him years ago (which Joy forgot!!!).The Drama Queens bond with Craig about their time on One Tree Hill and we learn so much about him including how he was discovered by Andy Warhol! We also explore his challenges working on OTH, and his complete utter shock when he learned Keith (*spoiler alert*) was going to die.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You guys, this is a conversation that Sophia and I personally have been looking forward to for years. We've got Joy on the spot now. Confessing her former feelings for our very handsome guest, Craig Sheffer. Oh, Craig. Hey, Craig, Joy, has a question for you and we're all dying to know the answer. Do it, Joy. Do it. Do it. Ask him. Ask him. Do it. Craig, do you remember you and me sitting at Deluxe with Paul when Paul, you know, I had a massive crush on you for the first like five, four or five years of the show. Did you know that you had to have known this? I heard something, but I was like, oh, you sweet.

Did you know at the time? Actually, Joy, Joy, I, I didn't know how to handle it. You actually left me a letter on my doorstep. No, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, wait, wait. No, I didn't. What?

You left me a letter on my doorstep at the beach. What? Asking me, like, let's go to a level. the afternoon on the beach and stuff like that. I'm so embarrassed. No, you're not. You're like, you're a child. I was paralyzed and I was like,

she's just a baby. I don't know what to do. Oh, my God. Craig, you're like pretending you never left it. Thanks, because I forgot. It's terrible. I must have blocked it out. You're such a good guy because any other dude would have been like,

ooh, a 21 year old. Give me some. you're such a good dude what a great guy well that was the thing we were sitting at dinner with paul and paul goes hey Craig you know joy's been in love with you for like four years and i'm just it was like you know i mean i was a kid so i hadn't been you know i hadn't had anybody just do that to me it felt like high school somebody just outed you with your secrets and you were so sweet because paul's usually so subtle you know you know oh god i'm sweating for you guys right now. I'm so sweaty. I'm like, oh, no. I'm sweaty. Literally, my eyes are leaking. I'm not

sweating. I'm sweating out of my eyeballs right now. I don't know what's happening. Oh, my God. You handled it all with such grace and it's just all the more testament to what an awesome guy you are. We just, well, we always, we had a great connection talking about poetry and writing and all of stuff because you were like, you were all into that. So I think that's really what it was about. We You sort of that noise talk about your writing and I was writing. Well, you're such an attractive personality. You're so interested in other people. You're so interested in learning and you're a curious person.

And, you know, you really, I think that's what makes you such a great actor too. And you brought, oh, that's why we fell in love with Keith as well. We loved this guy who was so compassionate and so interested. You know, Keith was a great listener and he was everybody's best friend, you know. And you brought that sense of yourself. It's so interesting for us to watch the show now and look back. Hillary, you said it. Craig's a romantic.

You make things, you create, you write poetry, you lean into, you know, the essence under the words. And none of us, you know, we were all 21-year-old ding-dongs and like we were in the era of Tiger Beat when all the boys were idiots. And here you were like talking about poems and you were like velvet. in a person and we were so just enamored by you and it's fun to see the way we all kind of looked at you like wow he's a grown-up we see him we see all that in keith and it's oh i mean we just love him we love to watch you this episode was so gorgeous for for that romance that you put in him with my zoom i i am so like old man with With technology.

I was trying to find the show lesson. I can't find it. What do you remember from it, though? Like, what do you remember from originally getting the script of the pilot and coming aboard this ship? The original? Yeah, Ravens. Oh, oh, I just really, well, first of all, I really like the character, you know. I like the mentor aspect of him and the relationship with the brinkets.

brother and the whole, I don't know what Shakespearean feel to it, you know what I mean? Yeah. And, yeah, I just, I don't know, I just, I was really looking forward to it because I'd never done television to that point. Before that, it was just movie, movie, movies, and things started slowed down. And, well, at that time was when I was doing a lot of direct to, what we'd call it, direct-to-video stuff was happening. Yeah, yeah.

And so this was an opportunity to do something that was, you know, going to get seen more because for about four years before that, it was, things were getting a little slow. Well, also, that's when reality TV really took over, like 50% of programming. Oh, that's very true. Yeah. That's right, Hill. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so, yeah, so I just, it was a new adventure, and it was really great to be down there. Yeah, had you been to Wilmington before? Yeah, I had done. I'd done a movie with my daughter's mom called The Grave

with Josh Charles and Eric Roberts and... Oh, Eric Roberts. Love Eric Rodgers, sweetie. Oh, my God. I love him. Craig, you beat my husband out for the role of Uncle Keith. No way. Yeah. Yes, way.

Literally when we met, he was like, I auditioned for that show and I'm like, what? What are you talking about? Obviously, they weren't going through looks. Whatever. Are you kidding me? He's a good-looking guy.

He's cool. Everyone wanted to be Uncle Keith because that was like the sexiest part. It was like the cool guy. And you brought so much of your own style to it. One of my favorite stories you've ever, ever, ever told me

is about Andy Warhol discovering you. Oh my God I need you to tell people this story because I just watched the Andy Warhol documentary and I'm like, where's Craig? Okay, was I in it? I haven't seen the whole thing yet.

I only watched the first episode. Since I told you that, okay, so I'll tell the story very quickly. Yes, please. I'm 23 years old. I have just gotten my first role on Broadway. literally like the day before, two days before.

So I'm at my last day working at Cafe Shasha on the West Village. Like my, I was like, I'm done with work. I'm not going to work. I never did work again after that. Fabulous. I'm leaving work. I'm walking down the street. I've got my shirt open, you know, just trucking home.

Yeah. And my jeans on. And this limousine kind of slowly pulls by me and the windows cracked down. I'm like, you know, I see. top of a head looking out. And I'm like, well, that was a little weird. And then I walked down a little further now. Comes back the other way and circles again.

I'm like, somebody's stalking me. Anyway, limousine pulls up. And this guy gets out, a younger guy. And he comes up and goes, hi, Andy Warholz in that limousine. He went to shoot you. I'm like, Andy, I said, is that the Campbell Soup guy? Like, that was really good. That's all I knew about it.

Like, I was just this shit hill from Pennsylvania that moved up to New York and gradually grew some culture in my, you know, in my soul. But anyway, so I go over the window and he's like, you know, I'd really like to shoot you. And I was like, okay, he's like, yeah, for me, 300 bucks. And so I called my agent, I was like, this guy Andy Warhol wants to, he wants to take your picture, go do it, man. What are you kidding me?

And blah, blah, blah. Make sure you get a copy. And I was like, okay. Anyway, so I go up to the studio and I have lunch in the, what's the factory? In the factory around this big table with these other people, strange people. They were just strange. Everybody in there, everything about it was great. And he says, well, you ready to do the picture?

I said, yeah, we go in the back. And he's like, well, how many clothes can you take off? And I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. And I was like, he said, well, can you take your shirt off? And I said, sure. Anyway, so he had American flag on the back wall. And he took, you know, did a photo shoot, did a bunch of pictures of me.

And, and that was it. One thing, he was really nice. He invited me to all the parties that they had, you know, after that, which was kind of cool. Oh, cool. Yeah. There was like all kinds of big stars like Bowie and got to hang out. people like that and um and anyway so here here's the the end of it or the so i my daughter my daughter's a brother and sister who are my godchildren um the the girl like calls my daughter

and goes oh my god they call me chango which is monkey in spanish oh and they're like chango you just saw chungo they're selling one of his pictures for like 15,000 dollars what Christy's website. What? I had never seen the pictures. No. I never went to see him or anything like that. So, yeah.

So the picture, it's... Is it online? Yeah, if you look up Andy Warhol, there's a picture. Oh, my God. The picture they shot in me, they sold it on Christies, and I guess it's supposed to come out from a book called Boys of Stone. No way. Craig, when you told me this story like 15, 20 years ago, you were like, never seen the picture.

Can't find it. Yeah. They have no idea what it was. looks like, we have to post this on our social media. I'm beside myself. I'll send it to you if you want. I'm looking for it right now. I'm trying to type it in. Oh my God, Craig, you're fucking gorgeous. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, my God. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm putting it in the chat. I'm sending the link right now. Oh, wait a minute. You see you already? Yes. I'm steering at you. Oh, my God, Craig. Oh, my God. These are crazy. Yes, this is what.

That's why you pull over your limousine. This is 100%. Wow. A hundred percent. Wait, you know what's crazy also is I never, I never thought you and Paul really looked like brothers, but this photo, the close-up of you with your chin down, you guys have a very similar look, too. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, my God. I'm so into it. Crazy, Craig. Wow. Craig, I'm proud of you and I love Oh, my Christ, there's a, there's a, oh, there's a bunch. Craig, we have absolute smoke shows. Oh, my God. You holding this barbell?

Look at your traps. What's the one? Are you kidding me? Dude, hold on. No, Craig, you need to do a Google search on yourself. I'm pacing. We'll show you how. We'll do it for you.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. I loved these stories, though, because. Craig, you never told a story about, like, big, huge, famous people in any kind of jaded manner. You were every bit as excited as, like, we were as 21-year-olds, you know? Like, you never let the business kind of, I don't know, eat you. Harden you? Yeah. I think that's, you know, blue-collar roots, good family, they would put up with that, you know? Yeah. Kind of been my soul, kind of like them.

That's nice. Part of what made you perfect for Keith. Well, and perfect for every single woman on our show because your track record on this show is extraordinary with the Karen of it all, the Deb of it all, the jewels of it all. Your chemistry with all the women is bananas. Is that just a gift?

Yeah, I really enjoy it. They're what great group of people. Really, we had so much fun together. Moira felt like, you know, my wife. and Barbara was a lovely little dessert. What a flirt that Barbara. I am really curious, you know, because you guys were such good friends to us as young women on our first show. But, you know, to the point of what we're talking about, some of you had histories together,

some of you were there with your kids. What was that sort of camaraderie among the grown-up? like for you with you and moira paul and and barbara what what did that life look like because you know we know how weird it was for ourselves to have to uproot our lives you leave college leave jobs move to north carolina what was it like for you with you know family uh it was to me it was great uh i think one of the things like with moira is you know you guys have had this last 20 years of you know, your brand of stardom and, and the different roads you've traveled. And Moira and I kind of always traveled around each other.

We were always kind of both doing all these, you know, big movies and stuff like that. And then both of us were on TV for the first time. It's just, and I think also being sequestered in a place like we were. And the outside world, your normal outside world isn't there. You kind of bond because that's, You know, that's where you are and what you have and you're in a new world. And I think that displacement kind of makes for new friendships. Yeah.

I want to know about when Keith, spoiler alert, when Keith died. Did you know in advance, did they come and talk to you ahead of time or did you just get the script? and you were like, oh, I guess this is happening now? Like, what was that like? It was actually really extremely disappointing because I had just made a movie and financed myself for like a million dollars. And Mark Schwannan told me that,

because they had left me go for the last six shows the season before. And I was like, are you going to cut me? You know, he came to dinner and tell me. He said, no, no, no. As long as this shows run, you're going to be on it. You know, you're the character I based on my brother. So, you know, all this stuff. And literally, the guy didn't call me until, like, I was talking to Paul,

and he's like, dude, I'm leaving in three days. I go, what? You know, to go back to the show. And it was the next day I was out golfing. The phone rings and smart swan. He goes, oh, I got some really exciting news for you. It's going to be the best season ever ended. I said, well, yeah, I was wondering when you're going to, like,

I didn't even get a call, so I didn't know what was going on. and I had my agent call yesterday nobody returned his call and he goes yeah it was good news and the bad news you know um it's a great tells me all about this great thing and then he goes and then Paul shoots you and I go okay so I'm dead

does that mean I don't get paid anymore yeah it was like yeah and I was like too old me yeah all the rigamarole with it was like it was like it was pretty cheap not that it was a cheesy but just the way it was handled and you don't call me and even talk to me

about it. No, it's not okay. That's just kind of the worst example of people in power in our industry treating us, the ones who move and change their lives for their shows. Like, they treat us like we're supply rather than people. Disposable. I'm really sorry. I'm really sorry that happened to you. Like three days a week and I was like, guys, can you, because Willow was with me at the first two years. Yeah. Home schooler and all that. And then after that, I was like, can you maybe just give me every other Friday off so I can fly home and they were just such Yeah

Maybe we have said it on this show We're like, oh, you can say whatever you want You can say whatever you want Because honestly, we didn't, Craig, we didn't know It was most of our like first pretty big jobs And so we didn't know how toxic it was Until I went and I worked on white collar And they were lovely. They're like, oh, you want to see your child?

Fantastic. You haven't seen your husband in three weeks? Fantastic. We'll figure this out. And I was like, oh. Oh, there's a different. It's not that, it's not that hard. You can make, and we do know that, you know, production schedules can get crazy. Sure. But for simple things, it was just like,

it was so about, like, control. As a matter of fact, I had really, I showed up as this character. I had a teeny bit of facial hair. I wore my boots outside my pants like I always did. I love it. We talk about your boots all the time. They threatened to fire me about my boots.

I was like, Look, I'm just going to leave my boots in my pants. I wear my bandana. I've been doing it for the first three, four weeks. We don't want that anymore. We want your hair comb back and we want you shave and we want this. And literally that's the point with the calling my agent and going, well, if this is power struggle is going to continue, we're just going to get rid of them. Oh, my God.

Psychos. That kind of stuff where they break down your soul, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's only a power struggle because they're creating a totally unreasonable, a totally unreasonable bar for anybody to reach. And non-collaborative control. Yeah. Non-collaborative control and something that feels important is like to acknowledge, look, you hired each of us because of what we brought to a character.

Right. If you take that away. That's 101. If you take it away, what are we doing? And there's so little acknowledgement given to the uprooting, the moving, the pulling your daughter out of school, having to put her in a new place, the leaving your entire family behind, the being on this crazy schedule. Well, we love what we do, so we do it. But you literally are not- You're going to kill our creativity.

Yeah, you're not in control of anything in your entire life. What time you wake up, what time you go to bed. Nothing except for your creativity. And for somebody to say, we hired you for your creativity, and now we want to step on it. You just go, like, what's happening here? Yeah, why am I here? It was crazy. It was ridiculous.

That's wild. So you guys had, did you guys have the same control? Oh, crap. Massively. If we brushed our hair in the wrong direction, we were, like, threatened with being fired. My last season, they called, they were like, your hair's too red. And I was like, I'm gone. I'm a ghost.

It doesn't matter anymore. I love that. Yeah. No, it was crazy. I remember our Voldemort. I'd gone to do a movie in the summer between seasons two and three. And Hillary knows. We talked all about it because they're our favorite.

kind of girls. I was playing this like super got goth chick in New Orleans. And I cut bangs and I dyed my hair jet black and like the character had tattoos. Super fun. So obviously I dye my hair back to like the Brooke Davis Brown when I come home. And Mark lost his mind on me. My bangs were growing out. It was like a cute little side like little part moment. We all loved it. Joy, I remember you being like, oh my God, you're so cute with bangs. Like we were excited. And you know what said to me, a grown man who was my boss, I was 22, 23, I can't do math, he goes, who the fuck told you you could cut bangs? You know who had bangs? All the fucking cheerleaders in high school who never wanted to have sex with me? And I was like, what's happening? What's

happening? Yeah. Is this what I'm getting yelled at for? Like, Craig, it was so controlling and gross and misogynistic and creepy for us. You know, he'd yell at Hillary and I if we put our hair in ponytails during cheer practice. Like, it, oh, it was all so crazy. Why they were trying to figure out if they could write me off the show too. Yeah. Joy didn't want to do the blocking that every single, you know, if the director showed up and they said, okay, we would sometimes show up to rehearsal and it would be a blocking,

it would be a, supposed to be a blocking rehearsal, but they would have it already lit and they would already have decided where you're going to walk. And it was just like, we're just going to do a run through and then, and then just say your lines, we're going to roll. Okay. Come to set, camera ready. And I'd show up and I'd be like, I appreciate that everybody's trying to move fast, but I don't want to walk across the room because it doesn't make any sense for my character.

She has to stay grounded right where she is. If she goes to that part of the room, it implies that she's going further into the house when all she wants to do is run out the door. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't make sense. And then they're like, we're already lived there. At least give us a chance to discuss it with you. Yes.

Ultimately, yes. You get to make the final decision and all that. but you're not even regarding our creativity or our artist. Exactly. If you've got a good reason, like, let's talk about it for sure. Yeah, exactly. But it's the difference between discussion and order. Like when someone orders you to do something versus says, hey, I have this idea.

What's your idea? Let's meet at an idea. It's a control versus a collaboration. And I think as we're having this moment in society, where we're talking about the way we treat each other. Like, what I love about us. And the thing we formulated back then that we've held on to is we really like to collaborate with each other. And we don't like it when anybody's getting controlled, whether it's us or anybody out there

in the world. And that's the kind of shirring I'm here for. So the point is that I love us. And I have to say, Craig, and I think I can speak for all of us, it's kind of mind-blowing to know we thought we got a lot of this because we were young women. We had no idea they were doing this to you, too. Like literally no clue. To us, you know, you came in like royalty on our show and to the network.

And people always, I don't know if you know this, but people were like, can you believe we got Craig Schaeffer? It was why I signed on to the show. You and Moira were why I signed on. They talked about how we got you and Moira so much. So it's like I'm shocked, but knowing who they were, I'm not surprised they were terrible to you, but I'm shocked they were terrible to you. Well, you know, I'm kind of shocked they were to you guys too Because I was like, you know, they're young and beautiful They can't complain about anything with these people

I was like, I was like 42 at the time, I guess, 20 years ago You were a baby You were just a little baby I think it's really common in the industry That the people writing the- You guys were getting that same pressure I think it would have been I remember on my first movie

I had a diabolical director and actor they were playing this method game with me of some sort. Oh, God. And I just remember how it just picked me up for years. I didn't trust anybody. I'd go on set and I was like, I got to protect myself, man. You know, and then you go on a good set and you still felt that you had to, you know, really feel things out because there are some.

And for people like people who are real artists, it's trust is everything as an actor. You've got to be able to be vulnerable. And if you feel like you're getting. messed with, it's really hard to do your best work and then to feel good about it. Absolutely. And I think it's a really common thing in the industry, though, that the people writing the checks are under the misconception

that actors are just puppets or animation. I was going to use those exact terms about five minutes ago when you were talking. Yeah. I have felt like that many times on a set where they just don't quite understand that I actually have put a lot of thought

and work into. There's for reason why. I'm not just a face. I actually have done a lot of work. So, you know. Oh, no, there's a brain in there? They're hoping to perfect to perfect CGI and they won't need us anymore.

Well, hey, let's see how that goes. Craig, I think part of the reason we're all so close is because we went through this pretty toxic experience together. Like when we see each other at conventions, it is a big family reunion. And I want to be very clear, you were a safe place for us well before the Me Too movement

happened. Absolutely. Before we ever vocalized our concerns, you were always a good guy for us, and I appreciate that. I feel badly

that this experience didn't honor you as it should, but I want to know what your favorite job of all time was. What's the job that was the most fun experience

ever? Well, there's I had a lot of jobs that were fun experiences, but, you know, a river runs through it. It was just by far, like, the most, it just has so much heart, soul. I don't know. It's just so deep. You're so dreamy in that movie. There's another guy who some people think is dreamier, but.

Did you keep up fishing at all after that movie, or was it kind of just the thing you did for the film? And then you call it. You know what? I can't, I can't even hook a fish and feel good. Like I grew up, you know, my family has a hunting cabin. I was just like, I so can't go there. Oh, gosh.

Oh, I love that. I lived on a lake, though, for 25 years. And I remember that. I enjoy swimming in legs and going off rope swings and all that stuff. Yeah. And I eat fish. I'm not a vegetarian or anything like that. Sure.

I should be able to catch them. But. Sophia does that. Sophia goes fishing in Montana now. She'll take you. I was going to say, Craig, I'll catch your fish for you. And then I'll cook them. I really do think that my sort of, you know,

nostalgic love affair with learning to fly fish is because of you. You can fly fish? I mean, not like you guys did in the movie or anything. But yeah, yeah, I'll send you a picture. Did your husband say fly fishing? I started actually going. Congratulations on that, by the way. Thank you.

I follow you guys and see what's happening. Oh, you cutie. I started going on fly fishing trips years ago before Grant and I started dating. I just, I don't know. I've always loved the great outdoors and been like a road tripper and a camper and all those things. And it was a thing I'd always wanted to learn. And I was up, you know, Hillary mentioned in Montana with some friends. And I was like, I'm just going to do this.

And I got so hooked. And I've taken like groups of grass. girlfriends to fly fish in Alaska, gone back to Montana, fly fish in New Mexico. Oh, so you got some of those big Alaskan trout. I love it. Look what you started, Craig. You did it. Thank you.

Thank you for my favorite sexy lady hobby. It's hard to actually catch them, though, sometimes, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing like when you've had a good day and you're like, I've done it. I've gotten good at this. And then the next day, you don't catch anything. And you're like, and I'm humbled by name.

nature, once again, I shall go home, empty-handed. Done. How long are you in L.A., Craig? Are you there? Are you living in L.A. now? I've moved back, yeah. Right on. All right.

Well, next time we cruise through. I moved back. Like I said, it was the first week of the pandemic and just hung out for a long time. And now I'm, you know, starting to work. Good. Yeah, you just played Nixon on American Horror Story, which is super cool. It was, it was just a blast, man. I love it.

Now, talk about, again, a creative experience. I mean, they were so supportive, you know? Like, Ryan Murphy was just very, you know, I would hear like what I was doing. Nobody ever really tried to control anything. And, I mean, you know, I got direction and all that. But, yeah, it was really, really fun. I loved it. And when they sent it to me, I was like, me, Nixon?

I was like, I don't get it. And then I was like, sort of watching stuff and playing around. I'm like, bar ball. Yeah. There he is. And I like, stuffed my cheeks with cotton like Brando did in the Godfather. Oh, my gosh. It was just fun.

I was like playing a character, which is like we all love to do the most, right? We all want to turn it to something else. I'm so curious about that. To play someone so famous, where do you start? Like, what's the door? way into as an actor playing a character like Nixon. Where do you begin? Yeah, I just started with YouTube. You know, I just started watching his speeches and his mannerisms and, um, you know, I only had like three days to, to prepare for it. I put myself on tape, you know, for it. Yeah, so, uh, but I just

immersed myself in YouTube for like two or three days and started playing with makeup and, and wow. And as soon as I did, I was just like, this is weird. I look. like him you know and i kind of sound i just said i put my own spin on it because it was a they they this uh season i it was double feature last year and i'm in the last four the second half of the double feature and it's like it's all shot in black and white and it's 50s UFO stuff with you know eyes and power and kennedy you know nixon's like this macadolin guy behind the whole you know thing selling out to the ufos to be so selling out to the aliens to become present.

I just dropped the photo of you as Nixon into our chat. Oh, my God. This is unbelievable. You're such a good actor. You're such a good actor. I am. I love it. I'm really lucky that we had you at the beginning stages of our trajectory because

you have always been a really strong example for us of good behavior on set and creativity and asserting yourself without being combative, you know, like you're, you're a really good leader. And yeah. So now when you're, when we're in L.A., we're going to come bug you. Is that okay? Oh. Can we come bug you?

Please do. Can't be. I'm so to proud of you guys for all this, all the stuff you've been doing. Thank you, all the stuff you've been doing. Oh, thanks, pal. I'm just happy. And I just can't believe you guys are, I can't believe you're like almost the age I was when I did that show.

Tell me about it. Now I'm like 60. It's crazy. I'm like the age Barry was. No, no. I mean, I guess so. Barry wasn't old. Everyone thought Barry was old.

And I'm like, Barry's not old, you guys. Barry's like young. He was young. Yeah, I know. He's just been playing a grumpy old man forever, but he isn't. That's my vibe. He's a damn good at me. Barry, I spent a lot of, we spent a lot of time together at,

Charlie Brown. There's there on the street. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes. That's so fun. Don, our heart's such good to see you. Before we leave, what was your favorite place in Wilmington?

Because the fans really do like to do tours of our old haunt. So last question, favorite spot in Wilmington. Hmm. Hmm. Oh, Circa. Circa. Oh, yeah. You were a Circa king.

I just loved Circa. I loved the dark wood. It was just like my house. It was like being back at my house. And that food there was incredible. I like the sofa bar too a lot. Caprice. But I'd say those two were my favorite.

Pork City Chop House wasn't bad. Yeah. Remember that one down by the beach? Oh, yes. Chiquettys. Is that still there? There were so many good restaurants. That was one of the great things.

What did you say? Chiquetties, that Italian restaurant that was over by. Yeah. The Ash guy owned that place. Yeah. I missed that place. Well, we're a Italian restaurant. We're going to have to take a trip back, Craig.

Are we going to see you in Tree Hill again? I'm sure there will be a convention coming up sometime. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to go to Tric. It'll be great. I can't wait. You better wear those boots and you better keep your pants tucked into them.

I want to see boots and a bandana. There they are. And there's a bandana. And there's a bandana. It's been great around my neck now. Ever since a pandemic, I need to. It's not around my head anymore. Oh, Craig, you are just the best.

Thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Thank you, guys. We love you. Love you, too. We'll see you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye, one tree hill fans.

Bye. Guys, I cannot wait for all of us to be together with Craig wearing jackets that he made for us. It is like... Yeah. And I'm talking all my pants into boots. No pants outside of boots. Forever. Never. I got to get my bandanas out.

I'm ready for this reunion. Yes. Sign me up. Can we have Drama Queen Bandanas? Yes. Oh, my God. We need them. Drama Queen Bandanas with little flaming hearts on them. Ladies, let's spin a wheel because we've done a two-parter,

and last week we didn't get to see what our superlative lies. Those are my favorite. Right. Oh. Most likely to become. a motivational speaker that's what sophia does let's let's know what sophia does her other job i think so yeah i mean that was the easiest one that we've ever had to do it kind of and brook i mean i don't know who else besides i guess mouth mouth is always a good you know i mean he's a jack of all

of all trade andy Andy gives talks he's like a college professor oh yeah oh yeah so what is your favorite bit of motivational speaking that you've ever done was it the one with michel obama or was it the one with Hillary Clinton or who has been your favorite speech? Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, yeah, doing education advocacy work with Mrs. Obama was pretty insane. Yeah. But I don't know.

I think I've taken different things from different moments. I remember, you know, speaking downtown at a big march in L.A. and just looking out at the sea of like a million people and thinking, wow, if everyone is willing to show up for each other, for their community, for democracy, for ideas, like, we have this uncrishable spirit as humans, and it just makes me feel really pumped. Yeah, no, I can't help it. This is, this is definitely me. I'm hearing the words coming out of my mouth and I'm like, what stump speech am I giving? I need to go to bed. You have come such a long way since DW not I, baby.

We are very proud of you. Thank you. Oh, DW. Not I. Very proud of you. So good. All right, what do we got next week? Next week we have episode 17 of season two, something I can never have.

Oof. That sounds depressing. What's something you can never have? I don't know. Apparently none of these characters can never have healthy relationships. Yeah. I'm very curious what that pertains to next week. I can never have expensive sunglasses.

Oh. Yeah. I can never have rugs that don't have, like, dog pee on them. That's what I'm combating right now. This puppy is killing me. Okay. Yeah. Well, we love you guys.

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