Drama Queens - There’s Something in the Water • EP 820

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

Drug tests and fist fights, this episode packs a powerful punch in more ways than one! Talk about treading ‘murky’ waters, Rob reveals the behind-the-scenes warning he received before that epic fight scene.    Plus, Sophia points out her favorite part of the episode as she unpacks the emotional twists and turns. From the Kellerman chronicles, to the drug testing drama, to Quinn’s hot tub tanning dilemma, there is definitely something in the water! Let's dive in.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we're here for a new episode. How you doing, Sof? Hi, Snack Attack. I just came up with it in real time. That's got to be the name of our show. Yes. You and I, we are going to have a food show at some point. I am manifesting it.

But I do think on days like today when one of the three hosts is traveling this week, it's obviously Joy. And it's me and you. It's like it's DQ Snack Attack. Dude. Yeah. From your lips to God's ears. You know? Hopefully some good reality show people listen to this.

Because, like, I don't want to be on a reality show like a housewives or a Love Island, but a docu show about food. Give it to me. I mean, Mark Brunette, who obviously listens to this show, clearly. Super fan. Hit us up. Super fan. Oh, man, how you doing? I'm good, buddy.

How are you? I'm doing well. Good. This was a fun episode, man. Yeah. I was just going to say, I'm really excited to do this episode with you in particular as a dad. Because this whole thing centering around Jamie's Little League game and that essentially being the theme of the episode with his voiceover and, you know, the classic baseball tale. The whole time I was watching this to prep for today, I was like, oh, my God, I just can't wait to talk to Rob about Little League.

It was, again, very little of the show I remember shooting. I remember a lot of this one because this was so much fun. Yeah, I remember. Well, because also selfishly, I just, I really enjoy the company of James and Austin. Yeah. And especially Austin, we very rarely got to do anything together. So this was like an entire day with the three of us just palling around, you know, and doing light, silly material. So it wasn't like we had to be like dropped into a moment.

It was like, no, we're just going to goof around all day on and off camera. You know what? That reminds me, though. I got such a good hit of that last week. And we spent so long reminiscing with Jana. It's making me realize in real time that we didn't talk about the opening of 819, which was you and Austin in the car. Was that 819? Yeah, having this conversation, you guys are in the stingray venting about Kellerman and talking about drunk driving and how could a teacher do this, an ethics professor, you know, no less, and da-da-da-da.

And so going through that whole journey together in the last episode, knowing that he resigned, took responsibility, all the foreshadowing for this one that we're going to talk about, when that seems. came up in the beginning. I was like, God, I love seeing these two together. And I love, you know, Julian's processing this horrible thing he witnessed and you're talking to him much further on the other side of a horrible thing, of almost losing, you know, your person and having obviously lost your late wife. And so I don't know, it really, it was really powerful to me in the episode last week. And then to your point, seeing you guys have this really, sweet, like joyful sort of dad-ad-ad-adjacent uncle experience together. It was really nice. And also shout out to Nathan for playing Nancy Drew and figuring the whole thing out.

Yes. Oh, my God. He did it last episode. And then I think the whole Kellerman story was handled really well. I do too. The misdirect really worked because I especially last week watching 819 knowing I remembered how it, you know, what really happened. And even still, I was watching, going like, oh, this is, it's, it's really good. Because there's one point where Ian is yelling at his dad at the baseball field. I think it's an 819. And the dad's like, I gave up my career. Like, I gave up my career.

And Ian goes, well, you shouldn't have done it. And I went back and watched it. I'm like, ooh, wait a second. This doesn't track because actually Ian did it. And I'm like, oh, no, he's saying in this context. you shouldn't have given up your career. But it really makes it seem like he's hammering his dad like you shouldn't have been drinking and driving.

Yes, it was really smart. This episode, I thought, was... Well, first of all, what episode, Rob? Great question me. Season 8, episode 20, the man who sailed around his soul, air date May 3rd, 2011. Synopsis reads,

as Nathan, Julian, and Clay coach Jamie's first little league game, the situation regarding the accident comes to a head. Meanwhile, Chase asks Alice. to take a drug test for him, and Quinn gets an offer to shoot in Puerto Rico. It's directed by Greg Prange. Sweet Greg Prange. He crushes, man.

He crushes as a director. He always managed to give us these episodes that were so filled with motion and emotion and nostalgia and sweetness. And I wish we could ask him what it was like being at this stage with these characters, you know, as a dad, directing, like, these kids who essentially used to have to film being little punks, like growing into parents. I wonder if that was cool for him.

This, he did great with his episode. And this, this was a lot of fun. Yeah. There was a little bit of whiplash just because we had so many flashbacks. Yeah. That by the time, like, by three quarters way through the episode, every time they went into a medium shot of somebody. I was like, okay, here comes. Here comes the flashback. Where are we taking, where are we going with Chase on this one? Yeah. So there was a lot of that, but dude, the storytelling

worked and we packed so much into it. And just the runner of Jamie's voiceover telling the story of the Mighty Casey was so good. And just all of it like opening with the national anthem. And then we pan down to see it's Madison playing it on her keyboard. But by the way, playing it on her keyboard in the middle of the baseball field with the keyboard set to sound like an organ, like an old-timey organ. I loved it. It was so good. I was like, what six-year-old is choosing this?

But it was perfect. Yeah. That was so much fun. You go. What are, what are, what are, give me some of your thoughts, your standouts. Oh, man, you know, I, I just thought they did a really great job with all of this emotion. in these episodes. And one of the things I really like, because we've talked a lot about how sometimes horrible things happen to our characters and then they just, you know, we jump a month

and we never speak of them again. Nobody processes anything. And, you know, this was obviously prior to you joining us for your seasons. But back in the day, Nathan went through like horrible thing after horrible thing after horrible thing, you know, crashed a car at full speed, like a race car. on a NASCAR track and never was sent to therapy. And so I really am loving seeing Julian in this space of his safe male friendships with Clay and Nathan talking about how horrible this was, talking about what he had to see, what it was like to watch Brooks' lungs fill with water, to be so angry at what happened to them at almost losing Jamie at almost losing her like to see a man processing fear and suffering and

it's all bubbling up now i i love it i love seeing him alone at night watching this footage oh that was heartbreaking oh my god it's so sad and and to recall like from thanksgiving you know that he's just been shooting everything he shoots everything all the time even if we don't see it And when he deletes that footage, it's like, no, but also, yeah, you're never going to want to watch that. Yeah, it's like if you knew the end of this episode, Julian, you wouldn't delete it. But, yeah, the name of self-preservation, like, you got to get rid of that. But, oh, that device worked so well. That was absolutely heartbreaking.

That whole, yeah, I, again, I had no idea you got pregnant, buddy. Yeah, man. I just assumed you guys found someone else to adopt or there was a surrogate. see. And so when the ending comes to jump ahead, that twist got me. Yeah. I was so happy, but so surprised by that. Yeah. I know. It was, it was such a big deal. And I love, I love the roundabout way we get there. You know, that Chase had a thing with Kid Cuddy and then needed a favor from Alex, but then it turns out Quinn screws up Alex's ability to do the favor. So she goes to Julian, but Julian's not home. And so it's Brooke.

It's like, it's, it's sort of a comedy of errors. And then it has this, like, really happy ending that's so sweet. It's like a classic heist movie. It's like an Ocean's 11 where they're like, but wait, how did the money end up in the bag and not in the box? And then they like flashback to like four different things that took place. That was this episode. And I, dude, that was, there were so many hurdles to get to Brooke being pregnant that it was, that it was. Brooks Peaks. I was like, wait, first of all, the staging of Chase, just like, he and Alex

are obviously like back on. So they're clearly like spending a lot of time together, which is great, by the way. I'm a huge Chase and Alex fan. Same. I shipped those two. It just made me laugh that he, it looked like a clandest, like a clandestine like spy, like an information drop. He's at an airfield standing outside of his car. She pulls up in her car and is like, what's up? I'm like, why wouldn't you guys meet at one of your places? Yeah. Also, well, here's what I thought because it felt like a misdirect to me because Chase was late for the Little League game and obviously Chuck was so sad and Chuck had been at Trick hanging

out and then Alex was there and in my brain I was like, oh, is Chase waiting on Chuck's dad? Like, is he at the airport because he's supposed to pick this guy up because he's finally convinced him to come back to town and then he doesn't show up and he goes to the game. But I was like, wait, why did you? You didn't just come down from a flying lesson. Yeah. Why is she meeting you?

Like, realizing that it had nothing to do with Chuck at all made the airport feel so weird to me. Yeah. It was like someone had just watched Top Gun and was like, we need a shot at an airfield at dusk. Or, you know, someone in the writer's room was like, it's been seven episodes since we mentioned Chase's pilot license and we really need to remind people.

Like, what? It was such a strange choice. Yeah. Like, if you're Alex getting a text being like, meet me at the airfield, ASAP, you'd be like, he's either going to murder me and hide my body or he's dumping me? Or maybe proposing to me?

Or proposing. You're taking a girl. Like, it's so, it's such an extreme place. Yeah. It's like, I am either going to become a fiancé or the subject of a dateline episode. Oh, my God. These are the only two scenarios. Yeah, I'm about to get thrown out of an airplane without a parachute.

It's just so silly. It's so silly, man. That's silly. But there were actually some moments of genuine, properly connected levity that I loved. You know, obviously. the mystery of the Kellerman family is big and we're in this sad moment that we were just talking about with Julian watching this precious footage and it's so heartbreaking and then Nathan storms in and goes, is this yours and takes a swig of his whiskey and it's ginger ale? Perfect. Yeah. It's good for my

tummy. It settles the stomach. Like it just, it was so funny to me and I actually realized in that moment, I go, see, this is the kind of dynamic that isn't, it's not like a caricature of people. This is a funny dynamic where Nathan wants a whiskey and Julian wants a ginger ale. Like, that's a hilarious character note. And I just loved the moment. And then he's just like, goes and pours himself a drink and is explaining his Nancy Drew, aha, of who it was and how he knows and it's, you know, fiddlestick. What's it called?

I've forgotten already. Fidians. Fidians, the bourbon. Did it seem odd to you that while he is explaining and very fired up about a drinking and driving incident, he's driving to his friend's houses and immediately starts drinking? Yes. In my brain, I was like, maybe we need to clarify that Nathan and Haley and Brooke and Julian live very close to each other because they all live on the water.

So I'm like, maybe he walked. over maybe he rode his bike i don't know yeah it's a small thing but i found myself going like yeah the outrage that everyone's feeling right now is around the very thing you are preparing to do sir yes yes yes absolutely terrible choice there was one other staging moment in this episode that cracked me up it was uh at kellerman Ian Kellerman's scout yes he's throwing pitches and all of the scouts are flanked out around him in a straight line on the baseball field. They're not like sitting in the stands. It's so weird.

There is just, I don't, I don't know if it was because, like, maybe it was like they were short on time that day. And they were like, how do we just get this in kind of like a oneer with light coverage? How do we not turn around? Okay, put them all standing next to them. Because that is absolutely not how that would go. No. I want to get a good look at this.

kid, I'm going to stand behind him. What? No. The whole thing was very strange to me. Because, and I'm realizing I've obviously never been to an athletic scout. But every portrayal of one I've ever seen, the scouts are in the stands. Yeah. And I assume that's for a reason because it's probably where the scouts go.

Yeah. I've only ever seen scouts in the stands. So to have them sitting, like, to be on the baseball diamond with him, I was like, all right, sure. Yeah, I was like, what is this happening here? It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional.

It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con

or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had a bit of surprising positivity for this episode coming from me is this was my favorite version of the theme song in a long time.

I actually listened to the whole thing. Wait. It's like a punk, pop version, and it was delightful. It was different enough that I was like, oh, I can get on board for this. Yeah, great. I was running a little late today, and I was like, don't have time for the recap, and I skipped it. Oh, well, if you go back and watch it, it's a fun, like, punk, like pop punk, though. Wait, who does it?

Can our producer fairies tell us who sings the? The theme song in this episode? Because I like you. I normally hear, well, I like you in this episode today. I usually hear like the first two bars. I'm like, I'm good. I'm good. Yep.

I skip right over it. This time I was like, ooh, though. Okay. Oh, I can listen to you. Against me. Who is that? Well done against me. You made me fall back in love with the theme song.

Oh, I love that. Now I want to go stream their music. One thing that this episode did, I mean, like I said, it's so much fun. And the whole Kellerman storyline, I just thought was executed so well. And shout out to Peter Riegert, Riegert. I don't know how you pronounce his last name. Yeah. Because we really got to see that Kellerman was a layered guy.

Yeah. Because it was just, he was doing it great, but Kellerman was one note up until pretty much this episode. And then, boy, we got to see a lot of layers happening there. And the stuff between he and Nathan was awesome. Yeah, when he shifts from being Nathan's antagonist to all their scenes together being two dads, sort of talking across the age divide of their sons,

it's really beautiful. And in a weird way, It felt to me as a viewer, like Kellerman finally became the teacher that Nathan deserved, you know, talking about life and loss and whether it's right or wrong, what you'll sacrifice for your children and, you know, all of these things that were really gorgeous and they're both very still actors who say a lot when they're not talking. even when they're not talking, I should say. And I really enjoyed watching them just be together and observe each other and realize that there was so much more to the man they were speaking to than they'd seen before. It was really nice.

Well, and they did a very, very clever thing where there was a scene on the boat at the end with the two of them, with Nathan and August Kellerman. and there's a great exchange where it's sort of both of them like acknowledging their own misstep and like kind of making a repair but Kellerman basically goes I apologize

I saw you and I just I thought you were my son and Nathan goes yeah and I thought you were my dad and it was such a valuable payoff because it's so easy to go like oh they just wrote the like the jerk professor

and it's like it's a trope, it's lazy, but then you see like, no, there was actually thought put into it. Yes, yes. And you realize what, you realize what each of these men was triggered by and why they couldn't really even make space for each other as new people because they remind each other

of the people that have really let them down and hurt them. And it was so cool. And I loved, I just loved getting to learn a little bit about time from Professor Kellerman because even though we don't have to talk about it, they don't talk about it. Nathan has, by the happenstance of his life, made a lot of time for his family. And here's this man saying, I had this plan with my wife, and I just never took the time.

And now she's gone. So I'm going to go do this thing for the both of us. and Nathan didn't need to say anything, right? But you could see the generational divide between, granted, they're different, but men like Dan Scott and August Kellerman and a man like Nathan Scott. Yeah. And it, I don't know, I just thought it was like a very powerful device. Did you notice, or did it bother you that Kellerman has a,

igloo cooler on his boat full of beer and water when he's made a point of saying he hasn't had a drink since his wife died and he is literally about to take off on the ocean on a boat by himself yeah like i really think that was um it must have just been a screw up on the on the prop department's part like they're so used to oh characters going to the boat so we packed the cooler with the drinks and the waters and the things. And I just think nobody was paying attention. Or maybe it was non-alcoholic beer and we just never got a close-up to see. But either way, just don't have it in the shop.

Yeah. Or just have him hand Nathan a bottle of water. They're already in there. It just, it was odd to me because we went out of our way to establish that he has not had a drop of alcohol since his wife passed. And then he's like, oh, hey, you showed up. I was about to leave with his cooler of beers and seldom the ocean. So is this stupid.

Really? Like, what are we doing? But back to Peter Rieger, to his credit, like, he did such a good actor. Because I actually found myself feeling very sorry for August Kellerman. Me too. That like he clearly liked what he did and he forfeited it for his son. But up to an episode ago, he was just such a jerk, you know? But like, to his credit as an actor, he was able to layer in enough stuff that by the time this came and the truth came out, it was like, no.

Nobody. Oh, you're falling on the sword for the wrong guy, but you're a good guy, so you're doing it. Okay. Falling on the sword for the wrong guy is my perfect segue to how much I love Clay, Julian, and Nathan as a trio, taking this kid out to that bridge and just wailing on him. You knocking him into the water, I was like, yes, Rob! And then Austin is like trying to drown him. And then you think Nathan's going to be the one, like, calm guy and he gives him a hand and then freaking punches him right in the face. Like, it just, I loved it. I loved how real it felt. It was a little awkward because, you know, what fights are ever choreographed like they are in action movies.

And I don't know. I just loved it. I was like, these are three dudes I would trust with my life. Hell yes. And first of all, you got to love Dumb Deller Man. He's in the car with the three of us. The vibe is so clearly off. And Julian starts like, good day for a drive.

Like, it's so obvious that, like, he is in a bad way. And he's just like, so where are we going? Yeah. It's like, dude, you're in big trouble. But I loved it when after a clip. So the scene. Yes. When Julian tackles him back into the water, I just immediately, I felt like I was watching

the male version. of the James sisters fighting in the pool. Like the fight almost came out of the water and he was like, no, we're all staying in the water. Yeah. And I loved the punch by Nathan. So a peek behind the curtains, when we were getting ready to shoot this scene, like the safety coordinator came over and was like, hey, so here's the deal. No, no. Like, are you up to date on your shots and stuff?

It's like, what? And they're like, don't worry. we're checking the the the fecal contaminant level in that river it's just getting very close to like the threshold so when you go into the water just trying to get it like in your eyes or definitely don't get it in your mouth you've seen that scene i'm supposed to be screaming like what so it was like poop river because we were in farm country yeah it was gross i just remember the whole time was like i wasn't even thinking about the scene i was like don't swallow the poop don't swallow the poop don't swallow the of poop. Oh my God. No, no, no, no, no, no. It was terrible. Because like that, dude, you get you get sick, sick if that happened. So yeah, we were all putting our, and then of course, like, then Austin is diving back in and flashing around. And Ian, um, Eric had to be like, dunked in it, dunked in it. So it was just, it was not ideal for what the scene was going to be. But, ew. This is the thing I have to just say. there is this like stereotype that actors

are little snowflake divas so sensitive gets so taken care of and I'm like no we're the ones who get thrown in the shit water and people are like just watch your mouth

because you know you could get Mursa and maybe die but we got to get the shot like what? Yeah or when it's 20 degrees outside and they're like we're going to cover you in fake blood and water

just lay on the ground and don't breathe Don't breathe and you're like for eight hours. You're like, oh, cool, that's it? Great. I'll keep my hypothermia to myself. Wow, I literally wrote down, I go, the three boys look dope walking away together. I love this.

And now I'm like, bleh. I'm so sorry you had to do that. Yeah, that was one on the page when I read it. I was like, this is awesome. Because A, I'm getting to like do a scene with my two buddies. It's redemption. It's justice. And then I heard about the poop water and was like, ooh.

Oh, man. Now this is just so like, let's not get super sick and get out of here kind of day. Oh, it's so yucky. Oh, I have something that clearly auto-corrected, and it's one line in my notes, and it says sugar is soaking. And I'm like, it just threw me so out because it's right after you guys walking away. And I'm like, wait, what? Like, what words was I trying to type that auto-corrected to those words? I can't even...

Were you watching a baking show in the background? I didn't think so. But it's in between you guys walking away and the note about Kellerman and Snipey Plover. So it's got to be something on his boat. I don't know. Well, what I will say, it's an interesting cut to see these three guys

being so wonderful and standing up in the way that they can and trying to teach this little dip shit a lesson. And I like that the next time we see Professor Kellerman, it's him and Nathan and he's, you know, getting the boat ready, obviously, you know, prop fiasco fail aside. I love that his sort of last moment on the way out of town is to go, snipey plover.

Yes. It's a bird. He's a hero. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, and he gets to have the dad moment that he deserves with the kind of son that he deserves. Yeah. Someone he can actually pass a baton to and help out.

And I just love that so much. Yeah, he really, I forgot, but yeah, he totally becomes a hero. Yeah. That's right, man. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I forgot that he was the one who gave Nathan. Yeah, that was a great, that was a great button because I had forgotten how. that whole condo thing gets resolved but now i'm starting to remember where that goes

it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage burn bridges we aim to explore that culture it was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional it feels like Bob Dylan going electric that This is something we've been doing for a kind of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges,

we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Changing gears. Quinn. Yes, that's where I was going to go. The sentence I was starting was, I got to give props to Chantel. because she's clearly in this like well her and the writers obviously it takes two to tango

but like they're clearly in this sort of season for Quinn of letting her lean into her corkiness and her goofiness and in the last episode she goes so hard in the paint with Jana and then the freaking spray tan I was like oh my God girl

like she was such a good sport about it I loved seeing Joni Shea being the woman at the spray tan salon. So for our friends at home, Joni, sweet dear Joni is our hairdresser on the show. And to have her be like, I don't think you want that one. In her sweet little like maternal voice,

I just, I loved it. It's such an Easter egg for us and for our crew. But oh my God, you not seeing her at the game over and over again and everyone else seeing her and being like, dude, It's such a funny device. Yeah. That whole gag was great.

I did have a note going like, he's standing 10 feet away from her and she is enthusiastically shouting throughout the whole game. Yeah. There is no world in which you do not recognize your partner shout. Yeah. You know, but I don't care. That was just the nitpicky thing. Completely.

And the moment, I love that we get to see everyone's reaction before Clay's. And I got to say, I thought the moment when I see her, when she comes up and whispers in my ear and I turn around, it's not often I watch something I do and I go, that, that was awesome. But that moment when I see her and I turn back and like that, I thought was so freaking funny. Yeah. You guys were so funny. Dude. The whole thread of it, I also, Rob, I got to give you similar props.

when you're outside in the top of the episode working out and she tells you she booked a job in Puerto Rico and you're like, can't go. And then she says supermodels and you're like, I'll totally go. Can't wait. It's going to be great. It was such a perfect comedic bit for you.

And I laughed out loud. Ooh, that's a win. I did. It's always like, yeah, when you laugh out loud and you're alone in your house, you're like, oh, this is a good. This was really good, huh? This episode had so much funniness.

I thought, at first I was confused. It was like, why is Clay really feels like Clay is rushing this game? Like, what's his deal? And then, then it's the flashback to Quinn being like, you're going to get laid tonight. And then I thought it's the funniest thing in the world watching this guy. Yes. Yell at nine-year-olds to speed it up. Be like, come on, kids, hustle up.

Three down. Let's go. That was so good. And also, kudos to Chantelle because she was in a bikini in this episode far more than she needed to be. Yeah. You know, which is unfortunately just something our show did. But I feel like lately in these episodes, she has been bearing the brunt of it. And it also made me laugh because in the scene, back at their house, she is in a bikini and she has her phone.

and she's like telling Clay like you should get home tonight because this is what I was waiting for and she takes a picture of her like it's like a selfie of the like her body in the bikini and I'm just laughing going like they see each other naked all the time like that picture like there's nothing

like yeah they're not in a long distance relationship like what what? Yeah like they probably had sex this morning and she's like but also here's a picture of me kind of clothed it's like yeah he he saw it all this morning he's gonna see it again tonight like that's You've already, you've already done it.

Like what? It is really, really goofy, but it is one of those things that you realize because the audience doesn't see what happens off camera. These devices get created in these scenes. But I mean, poor sweet Chantelle, you know, they couldn't put me in my underwear because I'm depressed because I've just, you know, lost a baby. And they certainly can't do it to joy. She's literally just had a baby, like IRL. So I feel like Quinn got every single thing that usually gets split up among the girls. And she just, she had to be such a champ in this episode.

And I really appreciate her choice to play the spray tan. Like, it's so great. Like, she's just so oblivious. And the YouTube getting in the hot tub at the end of the night and the dye just seeping everywhere. And you don't miss a beat. And you go, if we don't. you, we can make tea. Yeah.

Killed me. Because you deadpanned it and it was so funny. Oh, yeah, that whole bit. I mean, there's no vanity in comedy and she, she knows it. And she just goes for broke, man. All of her stuff. She's never, she's never holding back to try to like save face. And, I mean, this, the panther.

The panther. The panther. Is, is no exception, man. That whole bit was so good. And just we're outside, we're at a park, it's kids playing baseball. There was also, it was like no fat on this episode. It was like every second was used for a piece of storytelling, you know? Totally.

There was no filler. No, and everything was charming or funny or really heartfelt. Like the fact that the Little League game and the lead up to Puerto Rico and the tanning joke is in the same episode that Nathan is solving a mystery with Clay and Julian about Kellerman, you're like, how's that going to work? And it works. It works really, really well. And what I will say, I really appreciate in terms of the arcs of all these characters, I really like that despite how sad Brooke and Julian are, that they gave Brooke and Haley a moment of

humor about it. And it's not Gallo's humor. It's not that dark, but even the fact that we believe at this point that Brooke and Julian are going to take this opportunity. They're going to go to New York. You know, close over bros has essentially been her baby, and they're going to sort of reconstitute their life plans. And so Brooke wants to take this sign to Haley from Cairns, you know, this moment of the childhood she's going to leave behind. But cracks a joke, like, I'm going to give you the last remnants of Karen's Cafe for Lydia. straight up and it's like they they play a bit about the saddest thing that's just happened to Brooke

but like that's best friendship is laughing with each other through your sadness okay but help me understand this because we haven't ever seen them on camera talking about it have we I was confused because when I saw all that happening I was confused too I went oh she still hasn't which is fair she's letting Haley like have her experience of being a mom and not making about her but To me, that was a joke, but like Haley wasn't really in on the subtext. So the way, the way that I made sense of that is because Julian has told Nathan and Clay. And then obviously that night at the hospital, Nathan's the one who goes, Brooke, are you okay? And I say, like, I'm just so happy for you guys.

my assumption is that the next day again off-camera stuff but I'm assuming that Nathan is like hey what's the deal with the baby and Julian's like oh we didn't want to tell you same night like the woman reneged she backed out so I assume

I have to assume now that three episodes later Haley does know and they're all trying to like make the best of it because there's no way Nathan's not going to tell Haley like, hey, FYI, this happened. Yeah. You know, I want you to be able to take care of your friend. It just feels like a big scene we should have seen on camera.

I. A big moment. Fully agree. Yeah. Fully agree. And it is. It's one of those things that's missing, right? It's like, that's a big scene we should have seen on camera.

At the end of this episode, when we do the big reveal and that it was Alex and Brooke who did the swap. And, you know, Alex, the person who betrayed Brooke so much, especially, like, using this fertility journey against her winds up being the person that, like, gets to have this surprise with her. What I would have given to see Brooke and Alex have that. That would have been great, man. Right? Which is actually a perfect moment to say we knew this was coming. And obviously we had Jana on the show last week and she couldn't be with us this week.

So we did do a little cheatsky and ask her to skip ahead and talk to us about that scene. So can our lovely producers plug Jana's audio in for us for a second? Jana, I am dying to know with the whole P-Test, drug test, Kid Cuddy, Quinn, Pop Brownie, Brooke Julian thing. Did you know in 819 when you were doing the drug test storyline what was coming? I had no idea anything until I got the script. I knew nothing. When you were reading it at first, and it seems like it's Alex is the one who's pregnant. Yes.

What was your reaction? Again, I just feel like it was, it's like reading it. You know, you want to know what happens, right? You want to get to the end of the book and figure it out. I knew in my gut it wasn't me. And knowing what the storyline with Brooke has been, it would make sense. because of the loss, you know, because of the struggle and all of that. So yeah, I wanted and hoped that it was her. What I really loved and what I wish they'd let us have is that because we

were doing flashbacks to certain things in these episodes and maybe after all the car crash flashbacks in 819, they didn't want to do flashbacks in 820. But I wish we could have cut to you coming to the house and us doing this thing together because the crux of this fertility journey for her was punctuated by, you know, Brooke's feeling of betrayal that Julian told Alex. And I loved at the end that it was actually Alex who helps Brooke figure it out. Like, I loved that for our characters. And I don't know, it really, like, it made me feel kind of emo. And I wish, I'd wish we'd like gotten a flashback moment of being in the bathroom like paying in a cup together. Because that would have really just solidified our bond too as, you know, the characters and stuff. So I agree with you. That's a miss

on their part for sure. Yeah, I would have liked that. But oh my gosh, did you, did you flip to the end of the episode to figure it out? Or were you just like, wait what, wait what, wait what, every page you turned? No, I'm always a read the last page. It's really bad. It's a really terrible trait. Like, it's really bad. When I was watching Bridgeton the first season, I had to know if they got together. So I watched the first in the last episode. I just had to do it. I'm terrible. It's awful. It's a really bad quality of mine. Can you still enjoy the middle? Absolutely. I enjoy it and I soak it in, knowing that everything's going to be okay. I'm so afraid of the bottom falling out all the time that I just want to like make sure everything's going to be fine. And then I can just enjoy then and not have that like stress.

I actually think that's genius. It's like the reason, everyone during the pandemic started watching comfort shows is because no one wanted to be surprised. So you're figuring out how to watch new shows, but make them feel comforting. And I love that. But here's a question. If, like, I don't know how Bridgerton goes, right? But let's say you watch the first. You're like, well, shit, now I got to watch the last.

And you watch the last and the couple you're rooting for are not together. Do you bail on the series? Or can you still watch it, but you just like adjust your expectations? I'd probably bail. okay yeah i like it did you oh my god it would be hilarious if you watched the first episode of game of thrones and you're like this is my show and then you jump to the last one and you see john snow killing her spoiler alert and you're like well this show honestly i watched one episode and i was like i don't understand anything and i'm not in dragons or whatever this stuff is so um okay i'm gonna confess

i've literally never seen an episode i'm not gonna be one of those people who gasps you know good I'm sure you were using your time for something great. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I was like one and done. Yeah. By the time it got to the end and everyone was so into it, I remember one of my friends and I were like, well, maybe we should start. And we tried and I was like, I don't care. I just don't care.

I did that with Yellowstone. I just binge the entire thing at the very end. I did the same thing with Ted Lassow. Everyone was like, we love Ted Lassow. I like to watch things after the craze of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And but I loved both of this. Those are good shows.

I will see I've been spoiled by binging. We, uh, we watched Survivor here. And so we saw that there was a new season, not realizing it hadn't wrapped yet. And so we, we get like three quarters of the way through. And then all of a sudden, I have to wait a week for a new episode. And I'm like, what kind of BS is this? Like, it's bad. What fresh hell is this?

And I can't laugh because we're a love is blind house. So there we go. It's good. I like the UK. the best. Oh my God. I love it. I love it.

Oh, man. That was such a fun ride. I had no idea where it was going. I was surprised. Like, it's in my notes, all caps. Oh, that was Alex's P? Next one. Wait, whose P was it?

Next one, all caps. No way, Brooke is pregnant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I loved the ride. I did too. I did too. And the irony is when this whole drug testing thing was happening, I forgot that that's how we found out.

I was like, what is this all about? Also, we laid no groundwork for the whole drug test. We only learned about that when Chase referenced it to Alex, right? Or did I miss something? Well, he asks her to help him. He asks her questions about it. So it's their runner through the episode. Oh, that's right.

You know, because she's like, no, I know all about it. Obviously, she has to like. do all these things because she went to rehab. It's how she gets insured as an actor, all the whatever. But I forgot, when he is like I needed to do the drug test to apply to the Air Force, I was like, wait, what? Chase is going to the Air Force? It threw me for such a loop that I literally forgot that it was the sort of cartwheeling whose pee is it story by the end. I was so in their storyline that I forgot I had anything to do with it.

Yeah, it was great. And the Mighty Casey voiceover with a twist and Jamie actually getting the hit. All of that was great. Dude, speaking of Jamie and hits, how savage is he to Chuck in the dugout when Chuck goes, you hit like my mom? And he says, oh, really? Let's go ask her. Oh, that's right. She's not here.

That was gnarly. Way to sweep the leg, kid. Jeez, Louise. Yeah. Yeah. Poor Chuck. I did make a note, though, that, and this is that sad thing where you wish the adults were within earshot, because Chuck is being mean to Jamie, and Jamie's sick of it. So Jamie then hits back at Chuck, but it's so below the belt.

And you're like, oh, this would be such a teaching moment for the, like, wonderful men on our show to go, hey, hey, we don't do that. We don't treat our teammates that way. We don't treat our friends that way. Like, there could have been such a moment to model, you know, apologies. And it's just the most below the belt insult from another six-year-old you've ever heard in your life. So disproportionate. It'd be like if someone went, oh, yeah, well, you've got something in your teeth. And then you went, yeah, well, your eyes are too close together.

And it makes you look inbred and everyone laughs about it. It's like, what? How are those two on the same level? I can't fix that. That's not it, man. That is not it. One of the things that I noticed in this that I hadn't at the time, because obviously I wasn't in the scenes where you guys are coaching, but part of me was like, oh, I wonder if it was intentional for Carol in wardrobe to have Brooke show up at the Little League field in a dress the same color as the team's hats. You know, I was like, oh, it would have been cute if Julian had had the hat on and, you know, she'd taken it off of him or something.

But, like, I show up in team colors. Well, and also, it's, it, that scene to me felt like we were running out of time and we weren't going to make it back to the studio to get to your guys's house. And so they were just like, let's just shoot it on the field. Because it's odd, right? There's, there's nothing happening. Julian is just standing on a field. We don't know what time it is. Like, there's no sounds of game happening.

He's just randomly standing in a field. And then you just walk. To me, it felt like a dream sequence. Like you walk up in a flowy dress Yeah, it was a little dreamy And I think that's what they wanted I think they wanted the romance of it I remember asking

Greg, our director You know Like can you just give me What's happening here Obviously she's gotten the news She wants to get dressed up She wants to have this sweet moment And he was like the way I figure it

Is they've finished They've gotten all the kids packed up Everybody's like just leaving in the parking lot, and Julian's taking a minute to himself to just think about it all. You know, he's just spent a day with all these kids and doesn't think they're ever going to get to have one. Like, it's this sort of reflection, and what they wanted, and the reason they wrote it that way is because Brooks talking about playgrounds, Julian's coaching Little League, and Jamie is giving the baseball voiceover, and they really wanted that up and away

aerial shot of these two people getting everything they wanted. on a kid's playground. That all makes sense. Yeah, which is really sweet. But I would have loved to have seen Brooke getting out of her car shutting the door, waving as like Nathan and Jamie are driving away. Just to know, like, this happened right at that moment. It would have helped tie it together and it probably would have,

I mean, I was about to say it probably would have taken four seconds in the edit, but it probably would have taken four hours to shoot. And they were like, we're not doing that. That's absolutely not worth the time or money. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years.

You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. We have a listener question. McKenna asks, we have learned that the titles of the episodes are song titles. How are these picked? They were picked by the showrunner, right? So, I think so. I would imagine with Lindsay Wolfington's help, because, you know, this is our music supervisor who came on a few weeks ago, and she had, you know, files of songs that she thought would be right for One Tree Hill. So I would imagine there were these files of songs, and then they would look through them and think like, oh, that's a good title.

Or this was my favorite song from my college years. I have no idea. I'm spitballing. Yeah. Well, she goes on to ask additionally. what song title would you choose to be the title of the chapter of life you all are in now? Whoa. Oh my gosh.

Do you know? I mean, I just, because of the chaos on a daily basis in my house, DMX is up in here. Came into my head. Like, y'all going to make me lose my mind up in here, up in here, you know? I love that for you. I don't know why It's just a song that's been on repeat a lot In our house is a real throwback

It's wide open spaces by the Dixie Chicks And everybody sings along to it And it is a real vibe Especially like, you know, on drives upstate, whatever It's like it's the starter song of the playlist In moments of joy So that's it for me you got an honorable mention

honorable mention in this episode mine is just seeing Nathan be a rad dad specifically in that moment where he calls time out and he goes up to Jamie he's just like this is just a game dude

you're great have some fun yes yes that scene him and that whole scene I absolutely concur the idea that he had the wherewithal to say it's just a game

we're going to get ice cream no matter what my dad always pressured me you don't need to feel pressure. The fact that he's so honest with this little boy to really make sure he's breaking that curse and he manages to keep it light, A plus plus. It was a perfect example of breaking a generational cycle. Yeah. Well done, Nathan Scott. Well done. Let's spin a wheel and get out of here. Let's do it, friend. It's the weekend. Let's go. We got snacks to eat.

most likely to eat a spider because they were dared. 100% not me. I mean, me, in real life, me. You would do that? Well, especially not now, really, but in high school, yeah, man. Are you kidding me? If it got a laugh, I, yeah, for sure. Wow.

That's off to you, friend. No way. Like, not only would I not do it if you dared me, I wouldn't do it if you paid me. So you would not have been a good contestant on Fear Factor. I, there is not enough money in the world that you could pay me to go on that show. No, absolutely not. Wouldn't do it. No.

All right. You heard it here, folks. Don't ever ask, dare or even try to bribe Sophia into eating a spider because it's not going to happen. It's a no for me, dog. The next episode, however, is a yes. Hey, season eight. Segway. We'll be back with season eight, episode 21, flightless bird, American Mountain.

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