Drama Queens - Through the Looking Glass ᐧ EP702

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

Sophia, Robert and Joy put Clay under the microscope, discuss the evolution of Dan, and debate how long you should wait for someone who’s just not there for you. Plus, Robert reveals the show’s super power! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Friends, episode 702, season seven, episode two, what are you willing to lose? Air date September 21st, 2009. You have me and Sophia and Rob. Hello, darlings. Hello, friends. Hey, friends. You have a red-headed Sophia. I am.

Hello. It looks awesome. Thank you. It's been so fun. I wanted to do it in advance of this. movie I'm about to start and make sure I liked it. You know, I didn't want to do it like the week before and be stuck. And it's really fun. Yeah, it suits you. It's great. That's what I'm realizing is weird. I'm like, oh, was I always supposed to do this? Because so many people have been

like, wow. And then I've been running into people that it takes 15 minutes to be like, why do you look different? Your skin looks nice. And I'm like, maybe because my hair is bright red. I don't know. People aren't even noticing, and I'm realizing it just looks. I don't know. That's exactly the right. Correct. Correct. Yeah, you got to get the right shade.

It's like five minutes too long in the chair, and you go from runway to Comic-Con. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It looks natural. I really like that. Who else to read the synopsis? I'll read it because I would really like to ask, or I guess not ask.

I would just like to throw my thoughts in the ring that it was a real travesty to not name this episode. hopped up on goofballs. Austin saying that out loud in the beginning of the episode literally made me spit water everywhere. So that's just my first thought. But since the episode is sadly named, what are you willing to lose? I'll tell you what it's about.

While in the process of recording her new album, Haley battles to protect red bedroom records with the help of Mia. Brooke casts the new face of her clothing line and clay defends Nathan against a growing scandal. Julian and Brooke decide to move into it. together while Dan unveils his new bride. And Les Butler directed this, who was always so lovely.

And what an episode. Is this the Les who is also one of our editors? Yes. Yeah. Correct. I remember Les. Look at you. You do remember stuff.

I remember a few things. I didn't remember much of this episode. And before we even get into it, I want to say, last week we talked about you're saying, do I, did I understand why the show worked? Did it make sense? And I said, oh, yeah, I completely get why it was as popular as it was and why it still endures. And I realized watching this episode, one thing at this show does incredibly well is it produces so many memorable, quotable moments. Oh, yeah. This is, this show is perfect fodder for water cooler talk. Or, or like it's like conversational clickbait there are so many scenes where there's just a line or a moment where I was like oh I can't wait for us to get into this oh I can't wait to quote that line yeah in addition to a great storytelling there's just so many hits throughout the way that are fun to share and you know yeah great one liners did hopped upon goofballs make it on your list of one hit wonders for this episode as well it is my favorite way to describe addiction is hopped up on goofballs make it on your list of one hit wonders for this episode as well it's it is my favorite way to describe addiction is hopped up on goofballs

balls. If Disney had to make a movie about addiction, the tagline might include she was hopped up on goofballs in the for, you know, that and also I could totally eat the butt off a skunk. Oh my God. It's so, I have that one, too. That whole scene was fantastic. Well, let's talk about Alex. I mean, this is the, this is the introduction of Jana Kramer as Alex Dupre. Go. So if you've already got your mouth up and go, what? I'm just so. excited that she's finally here. Jana is so funny. She is the level of commitment to play someone like Alex who says these things out loud to other people so shamelessly. Like, it just to me speaks

to Jana's boldness as an artist. And I also just love her. She is so freaking funny. Her and Lisa together like I want this movie. I want the Millicent and Alex show. I just like they there was so many good things happening in this episode but those two were my

absolute favorite people to watch. Oh my God, we missed it. We missed. I needed a whole episode or a movie of just Alex and Millie in the car. The plane gets like it's canceled. They have to drive from New York to Tree Hill. The two of them surviving with each other in the car. That's what I want to see. I was robbed. I didn't remember that we initially met her. through that movie she was doing, through Julian's unreleased movie. I was so confused. What in the Jane Austen is happening right now? What are we doing?

But what a clever device that they circled back to at the end of the movie for that button. Yes. And I was so excited that I didn't remember that that's how Brooke got obsessed with Alex. Because when the scene hit at the end, like, it happened in my house. And I had no idea. And I went, Oh. You didn't remember when she gave you that whole speech about the dress?

I know. I had a full out loud gasp at the end when Brooke and Julian are watching Alex's movie and they leave the room. And then her dress speech happens. I was like, oh, my God, that conniving little shit. And I was so happy. Because to your point, Rob, I was like, God, they really circled back around in such a good way. I had just seen the friends, a few, like a few. A few weeks ago, I watched the Friends episode where it's the one that could have been, and Rachel is married to Barry, and she's like a, she's a Jersey house wife, and she shows up on set, and she's a fan of Joey Tribiani on Days of Our Lives, and he keeps trying to get her to go home with him, and he gets her to go home with him by quoting all these lines to her from days, his character's on Days of Our Lives. And she keeps going, is that a line for the show? Is that a line from the show?

And there was something about the way she was reading when she took the robe off and she was standing in there in that dress. And I just was like, this is a speech. This is definitely from something. Oh, absolutely. I didn't expect it to be in the end of the movie, but I definitely thought she was giving some kind of speech from another role. I was half expecting her also to do it and then be like, sorry I was being difficult earlier. Like, you know, I've always been told you have to be kind of a bitch to be famous or like something. and be like, but this is the real me.

And then, like, Brooke walks out of the room and she looks at Millie, and she's like, told you I was a good actress. Like, I was, I was expecting that after the dress speech. I was not expecting her to have ripped it from her own movie. So I got two surprises. I wanted to see you walk in there and stare at the TV at the end. Like, I was just waiting for you to walk back in the room and be like,

but they cut away. It was so glad that they came back to that because in that scene in close over Bros, where she gives you the speech, I was underwhelmed. I wrote in my notes, that really? That was enough for the turnaround for Brooke? Because it just didn't,

it didn't feel, it felt out of place. It just didn't feel organic. I didn't quite buy it. So I was sort of going, that was enough. So it was great that at the end of it, you realized,

oh, that's why it was sort of out of place and disingenuous. Just that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. It was a nice way to sort of cap that. Exactly.

Because you're watching it going, why is this turning things around for Brooke so fast? And I have a note in my stuff of going like, I wonder if I had one of those moments where I said, this doesn't feel like enough. And they were like, tough shit. It's in the script. Shoot the scene.

Like I wondered to myself, is this one of those times where we just had to commit, even though it felt off? So for us to get to the end of the episode and collectively, the three of us, but I would imagine also our friends at home, y'all can tell us, you know, online, to get to the end and go, that's why I didn't buy it. And it's, it feels nice.

You feel like you've discovered something as an audience member, you know, that you're in on a secret. And you are, because now the audience knows that Alex is a faker and Brooke still doesn't. That whole scene, though. You and Jana, oh, my God, you and Lisa, when you said we should speak to her in Spanish and she comes down, like, blah, blah, blah. Cerveza. Yeah. I would like lots of beer. And she's like, yes, lots of beer.

Yes, lots of beer. Oh, my God. Well, I did sort of bump on, was that enough? And sort of, to your point, so if I were saying, I wonder if it was one of those days on set where you were like, really? Is that enough? The thing that why it works, though, is that obviously Brooke has such a big heart. And Alex didn't come in and just say, I made a mistake. She overshared in a big.

vulnerable way. Yeah. And it kind of painted you into a corner of at least in that moment having to go, okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Like it didn't feel like it was the right time. Like she didn't just give you a lazy excuse and you could have gone, hey, this isn't working. Yeah. No, somebody's breaking down in tears in front of you. What are you going to do? Yeah. And talking about how they have nothing left

because of their struggles with addiction. And you're just like, it's horrible. I'm so sorry. It is a disease. It's not a choice. You know, like, I love the, I love that, to your point, like, she hits Brooke at, like, she tugs every single one of those heartstrings and is just like, please. And it's like, what am I going to do? Going back to the start of the episode, did anyone else feel like the beach scene with Clay and Nathan looked like a failed screen test for Twilight?

Yes. It was two obscenely pale dudes running shirtless down the beach. It was great. That was so juicy. What made me laugh about it is that clearly you guys were like really running in a wide shot. And then it cut to a close up of like the last two steps when you get to the end of a sprint and you feel like you're moving so fast, your legs are going to trip you. But like the jump cut didn't work. Like in the wide, you were just getting going and then suddenly you were at the end, which is what made it feel sort of twilighty. Like you guys were teleporting your bodies down the beach.

Right there. There were a few moments in this episode of highly questionable blocking, in my opinion. And this was the start of it because never in my life have I been running with a buddy and just thought, after we're really gassed out, I want to stop and ask you a question and then immediately start sprint. It was funny. That's the kind of stuff that would drive me crazy as an actor. And you're on set and things just have to keep moving and somebody set up the camera, especially on a beach day. because they'll have set up the cameras before. They don't bring you down to rehearse.

They're like, we got to keep everything moving. They'll just set it all up. And then you walk on set and they tell you where you're supposed to go. And you're like, why would I do that? That's dumb. This is literally my job as an actor is to tell you where I would go, what I would do, what my character would be feeling or how they would be moving. So to have somebody else jump in and say, listen, we need to eliminate your job

and just have you be a body that talks for a few minutes. You're like, great. Okay. I love this part of my day. It was fine. Because what that should have looked like was we stop and there is 25 seconds of us catching our breath. And then I asked the question. Yeah.

But like to Soap's point, it was like we're sprinting full speed for 50 yards. And that's like, hey, so this might not be so good, huh? What? Are you Jason Bourne? No, it's really weird. It was fun to watch, though. And I will say, like, this is one of those moments where, I think after we did this job for so long, I'm like, I get exactly what you're saying, Joy, because I have been like, well, then what did I come to work for today? Like, and then also there's the other side where I get the director being like, well, what I don't want is to have these two guys doing like a walk and talk down the beach.

And Clay is giving Nathan such good advice. He's like, listen, you know, I get that you're scared. I get that it's a contract year, what we're going to do is keep you in shape, keep you fucking fast, keep you ready for work, and nobody's going to be able to come at you. And so I absolutely get how the director, like, made the choice of, ooh, this will be a nice way to get in and to get out, and it'll have movement, and it'll look different than things look and all the other stuff. And I was like, hold on, these boys are running down a beach and no one is on it. And then when you turn around, there's a thousand people. Aunt Quinn's out for a walk. walk into bikini. There's a snack stand. There's like kids burying grownups. Like what are we talking about?

We're not in the same place at all. And that that was like crazier to me. I was like then why didn't you guys have them end their sprint huff and puff and puff to the snack stand to get a water and then have a serious conversation and get interrupted by someone also going to the snack stand. I was like, this is not. It made me feel a little crazy. But you guys really did. You did it in a very believable way. And I have to say, like, through the whole episode. And I remember this at the time. And I know it's because the material in his storyline is great.

But there was a very cool thing that happened when Clay showed up in Nathan's world. And I really feel like we got to see a side of James as an actor that we didn't get before. We've had so much of this amazing Nathan and Haley love story. you know and yes pursuing your dreams but like you've done so much of it as a couple and it's why naley is iconic to us but for me watching this i'm like oh my god i remember days on set watching you guys work and being like this dynamic is so cool and now that i'm seeing it again i remember how it felt then and i'm really enjoying as an audience member now it's like a whole different window into one of our favorite characters and it lets you show up on that level of a favorite

character from day one and you're just so likable as clay and i trust your advice and i trust your intentions and i love the way you confront rene and the whole thing i just was like god their dynamic is so good yeah you're you show up already in charge which is yeah important oh thanks yeah it's it was so fun getting there was very little time wasted in terms of us jumping into the thick of it yeah you know it was essentially 701 and then even 701 though ends with oh no there's a storm of ruin yeah so it was very short runway before we kind of um things took off and it got heavy that uh i don't want to get ahead of us but there's that scene in the restaurant though with rene yeah i it made me laugh so much that i love that james comes in so hot in a extremely crowded restaurant yeah he doesn't even wait till he gets

the table. He's probably 20 feet away. And he's like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? And of course, Clay runs over and it ushers him out of the car. When they get in the car, Clay goes, what are you doing, you maniac? And he goes, I just wanted to talk to her. Yeah. And I'm like, did you shouted across a crowded restaurant, you psychopath. What you did was the opposite of talking to her. The absolute opposite. And by the way, like as soon as he walked I was like, who, what, why aren't there a hundred phones in the air? And then I realized watching the, um, the Dan and Rachel's stuff. I was like, oh, that's a V1 iPhone.

Right. We were in the moment filming this where like iPhones were still pretty new. Everyone didn't just have their phones out filming everything all the time to take pictures of their food yet. And it created like a like a separateness. Um, and I love that even you were like, everyone's got their camera phones out. I'm like, oh, we haven't said camera phone in so long. but that was absolutely in the script back then.

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I was really surprised when Nathan stormed in after this woman. I really thought he's smart enough to not do that. To not. Yeah. Come on. come on man also i'm sorry but like a sonogram photo in a in an envelope is not yeah i'm like that's not a paternity test what are we doing but i do i will say i understand the scare of it and like the stomach drop because the timeline and what i loved is actually what sold it so well for me

first of all i think the gal who plays rene is great she's great kate french is her name Kate, French, that's right. She's really in it. She's likable and yet somehow because of the way she's playing it, I don't trust her, but I don't hate her, you know? Like she toes the line really well. Yeah, there's this, I'm, she's kind of sympathetic. Uh-huh. And the way she looks at you, it's, it's the way she delivers how wild that party got. And then the panic on your face, because you know it was bad and you know you black, you were probably a little blackout. And And so was he. And so it's actually for me the conversation that Clay and Nathan have about that night

that sells it for me that you're like, this is, this is three months. And I was like, oh, they're making the fact that it's only a sonogram photo feel like such a bigger deal to me because they both are saying without saying, yeah, I don't actually really remember what happened that night. And that's where the fear comes in. And I was like, God, everybody's just doing such a good job with this. Because those are the scenes that could fall flat on the page. It's like, well, there's this and there's this, and then look at this and look surprised.

And you guys really made like a, like a yummy meal out of it. Yeah, if she hadn't so successfully sowed the seed of doubt, none of that works. Because if that doesn't exist, it doesn't matter if there's a sonogram. Nathan would just be like, I know what I did. But when you do that, then all of a sudden, it creates that shadow of a doubt. But I want to rewind for a second. As someone who, like I said, I remember so little of the show, how big of a shock was it when Dan's wife is revealed to be Rachel?

The biggest. Okay. It is the biggest shock. And here's what's crazy. I did not remember that this was how it happened. I didn't know it happened in 702. I didn't know it happened on his TV show in like a very Tony Robbins, Dr. Phil kind of way.

I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God. The only reason I even remember Dan has a talk show is because of things that come later with other characters. I don't want a spoiler for the new friends here. I remember a scene that happens, and this is not a spoiler, it gives nothing away, where Dan and Rachel get back to Tree Hill, and there's like this whole scene at the airport, and it's very chic and bougie,

that's the iconic Rachel reveal scene that I remember with Dan. So when she walked out on the show this week, I was like, wait, we already know this? Like it was so, I was so surprised. And yeah, nobody could believe it when it happened then. Yeah, I remembered it. And I was waiting for it and was very excited to see it come to life again, because I haven't seen it since. I think I remember it because I might have been there that day on the set. I don't know why I just, whatever, stopped by. But I do remember it. I do remember it.

And it was very satisfying. It's just so juicy and yummy and scandalous. And there was something about, what did you just say? Oh, yeah, but the fans, Rob, to answer your question, the fans went crazy when this happened. Now, the message boards lit up. It was a really, really big deal. Yeah.

Super, super unexpected. And because the whole lead-up is him saying things that could potentially be dead. Yeah. You're like, oh, my God, did they actually work it out? They got back together. Yeah. So it was a big deal. Yeah, because he talks about her struggles with, like, alcohol and drugs, Deb.

Promiscuous. Well, Deb dated skills and Dan, you know, teased her about it relentlessly. Yeah. Like all these things that he's saying, and you're going to. is Depp Scott about to like walk out, like looking like a whole snack on this stage? And then it's Rachel. And what I love, it's so funny now. Like, DeNeil is such a power producer. She is so smart about the way she works and the shows that her and her husband make and everything that they do together. And it was so funny to see the foreshadowing of that. But inside the Rachel

character like this woman who's having such a good time being married to this rich guy and like giving him all the instructions and she's put his whole life back together and you know she's creating the buzz online and all the things and i was like oh my god this is such a trip because it's like it's like i'm seeing the sinister twin sister of my friend but now that's what i thought was so interesting about watching dan and rachel was that he consistently even throughout the end of the episode going on his own to sit down next to his new homeless friend and, you know, have a beer without cameras around, without his wife and the entourage or whatever, he's consistent in his appearance to be, at least attempting to redeem his life.

And Rachel is clearly running the show. She's running everything, which is, since when does Dan the mastermind decide to just turn over everything to somebody else to run it. It's so interesting. Most interesting thing of the whole season, I'm sure. Yeah. Well, and what I love too is, again, I feel like there was a little foreshadowing. Even us, like, going down the rabbit hole of what a big concept forgiveness is last week. Yeah. Yeah. About Dan. Like, Dan's vibe in this episode, like, he feels like a full cult leader. Like, don't you think? Like, this charming man who's like, I have the way and come with me and redemption is possible for you. And I was like, oh my God,

did we like sort of know how again down the rabbit hole this storyline was going to go? Like were we like having some sort of, I don't want to say premonition, but you know what I mean? Like a sense of foreboding. It's so, it is so big. And for me that that sort of mentality of like this man who wants to be a leader and have these followers on TV. Like, even Dan's dialogue toes the line, right? He's like, well, I don't know about God, but like, you can read this book about me. Me. Like, there's all this stuff that I'm like, wait, this is so funny and actually so

weirdly familiar that it leads to a bit of unsettling because you go, oh, is he different? Or is he really leaning into this thing and letting her take the reins so he can have power? I don't know. It spun me out a little bit in like a good fun mystery way. Well, I thought the scene after the show is wrapped and they've called Cut was so great because first it introduced the dynamic of she, he is so soft and sensitive and loving and she is 100% business and calculated. Yes. But the other interesting to your point, so is that his. His whole tone and his cadence and his delivery of all of his stuff when he's on camera that is very cult leaderish, he kind of carries over into this moment with Rachel. He's still talking at that same. And so it would be different if he sort of dropped back into normal Dan Scott because then you know, okay.

That's what you expect. It's a show. But because he stays in that pocket, it kind of makes you question whether, okay, is this, is this the new version of him? Yeah. because he's being loving, but it's that same sort of like, oh, this still has that weird feel to it. Yeah, because there's still a dynamic about appearance at play, but now it's between the two of them. And it does make you rewind, like we were talking about last week, to, you know, he is, he's opening what we now know in this episode to be his talk show last week. And he's talking about how he was supposed to be dead by now.

And it's given him this whole new lease on life. and it made him see everything differently. And you're like, is it true or is it marketing? Oh, it's so good and juicy. I think he really believes it. I think Paul certainly commits that Dan believes it as a performer. And I'm just so curious to see where it goes. Because, again, I don't really remember.

Yeah. I think he's genuinely trying to work his way out of his own personal hell. but the problem is that's his whole life has just been deluding him one delusion after another one self-deception after another to try and make himself feel better about all the things that he's done which yeah is the mark of a cult leader and someone who's trying to be in charge of running a bunch of people because yeah he feels like I've found the answers And even in his delusion, I've got the answers. I know how to fix this.

I know how to fix you. If only I can fix all these other people. It's still the same thing. It's still self-focused, right? Like in his other life, right? His other before he didn't die. He was trying to just, he was like consuming. Eat, eat, eat, eat all the things that he wants.

And now he's trying to do the exact same thing. Fill himself up by sucking the life out of other people by trying to make them like if I can make your life better than that gives my life value it's so wild yeah even the scene with when he goes outside and he sees that there's the gentleman experiencing homelessness and he he walks over to him it was funny because I laughed going this is a real mixed bag because on one hand he's taking a moment and he's acknowledging this person as a human being and he's asking him on the other hand he offers his autographed book and not a sandwich.

He assumes the guy's going to sell the book for booze. Oh, God. And then to Joy's point, it's not the Bible, but here's me. So it was sort of, it was like they had the trappings of a sweet moment with completely botched delivery. Yeah. But it works for me. I love it as much as it made me cringe to watch it because it helps this dynamic of, is Dan different or is Dan exactly the same?

I don't know and I can't wait to find out. Like it builds the tension for me as a viewer. You know, do I still love to hate this guy? Or am I going to wind up loving this guy? Like, I don't know. That's the insidiousness about people who are so so self-delusional too, though. They think that they've got, they've figured it out. And often people in that situation, like a cult leader,

they will take something that looks, it looks true, like it looks like everything else that you've seen that's true. And you're like, yeah, I resonate with that. There's one little thing that's off. Like, you're handing me your book that's signed. You're handing me this autographed book instead of a sandwich, as you say. But there's so much about it that feels good or feels familiar. You're like, I guess, maybe it's the same thing. Sure. And it's hard to notice those things. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, maybe he's using cringy terms because he's like kind of a boomer and doesn't know, but maybe his intentions are good. It kind of makes it that much more believable, though, because he isn't a new person. He's still Dan Scott. And even if this is all in earnest, he wouldn't suddenly know. He wouldn't have this new shorthand with how to communicate with people in a brand new way. So it is very, very believable. Yeah.

but it is funny that he he's like how hey tell me about yourself and then immediately is like enough of you I'm sure you want to drink booze read my book that I'm going to sign because I believe me signing my name is going to make it more value it was just it's like it was so weird you know what it really reminded me in the moment I just wrote the one word down but now it's like bringing back so many memories of watching did you guys watch the docu series on nexam yes oh my God, it's so incredible. And, and, like, all of these women wound up in this horrific situation based on, like, the initial idea was, we're going to sort of women's empowerment group for you, ladies. Yeah. And it's so dark and, like, watching all these old videos of, of that guy, Keith Rennery, I was like, we, there's something really, again, I think smart on the part of the writers because I feel like they looked to examples of people like that for this version of

Dan where you're like, is he funny, fix people kind of on TV, Dr. Phil, or is he like scary cult guy? And I don't know. And in the beginning of a seventh season of a TV show, when someone like Dan Scott is such an iconic character and you feel like you know everything about him in his inner workings, to have him feel brand new and newly dangerous, like, honestly, it's such a hat's off for me to the writers, because I'm like, you guys manage to thread a needle here. And like, to be clear, we don't always do that so well on our show. Like, sometimes we watch episodes and we're like, wow, that scene was really embarrassing. This arc for me was terrible for three episodes because they just needed me to get from point A to

to point B, and they had nothing in between. So I'm like a dancing puppet. like we we can absolutely make fun of ourselves in the writing that wasn't good but when it's this good i'm like oh you guys okay stellar yeah i'm very impressed how did they tap in before that's the thing man all these cult leaders it's like they work out of the same playbook there've been so many like for decades but that's how they get people i mean i've been working on my book for last you know six months dinner this also the whole thing about sucking that's why i call it dinner for vampires because you're like sucking a life out of people around you and that's what these guys do, like the Keith Reneery, you got to watch this documentary, Rob. It's so good.

We'll talk about it. It's so good. That'll be our next podcast. Because it's like a, oh, yeah, women's empowerment or like, let's start a Bible study or let's start a, you know, whatever, come, come see a talk, like a TED talk kind of thing. And there's so much of it that seems reasonable. It's just, it's like, it's such a slow burn. It's like a copy of a TED talk, but it's a little, something's a little off and you don't know what. And like, that's what I think is so. And like, that's what I think is so interesting is even in them choosing to use this talk show format for Dan Scott. Like, we've all gotten great things out of those sorts of shows. And particularly in that era, like, when I was a little kid, I used to literally bargain with my mom that if I was getting

straight A's, would you please pick me up at 245 from school, even though the bell doesn't ring till three? Because if you pick me up at 245, I can be on my butt in the den to watch Oprah when she starts at three. And my mom was like, you're nine. I'm not bargaining. with you over your education and why do you want to come home and watch Oprah so bad? Like, I feel so shaped by that show. And so there really is something I think about leaning into that space where you're like, yeah, this feels familiar, but a little off. Yeah.

And where are the blind spots where people are like willing to make concessions in their own life because it's filling a hole in some way? And he's tapped in. Dan Scott's figured it out. Well, and by the way, it's exactly what works with Alex and Brooke. Brooke doesn't know yet that that speech is familiar and a little off because it's actually a dialogue from a movie. But like, we all picked up on it and we were like, wait, it's like a good apology,

but also it feels weird. It's a truism that, like, is mirrored in the episode over and over again. And I love it. Like, I even feel it in the stuff with you, Joy, between Haley and Quinn. when you're like, but what happened? And she's like, it just changed. It just changed. Because you know there's more to this story.

Yeah, that was such a lame answer that she gave me. Yeah, but you can tell from her performance that, like, there's something under there. Yeah. And it makes you go, I think I'm supposed to know more. Yeah, but you're not ready to talk about it, so we'll move on. But yeah. Yeah, that was not a satisfactory answer. I literally have that in my notes.

Marriage falling apart, open mic night's story is lame. Oh my God, wait, I was going to be like, okay, so you hated that he just changed, answer, did getting to the point where he didn't want to, like, live the life they'd live together, together anymore? Like, did that help you? And you're like, lame. I understand, of course I understand the concept of someone changing and kind of becoming a totally different part. You're like, this isn't who I married. This is not what I expected. And there's varying degrees of that where it's acceptable. Well, there's varying degrees of that where some are acceptable and move forward together a bowl. And there are others that are not. And I understand all that. It's complicated. But he's not the same person anymore. He just changed.

I didn't change. He changed. I went to an open mic night and I didn't want him to be there with me. I was like, no, tell me what happened. But maybe Hayley gets that out of her later Because it's just too vague to just say someone changed And I didn't know if the writers were being lazy Or if it was like we had they had six drafts of it

And they had to make a decision on one And nobody could decide And somebody wasn't available over a weekend And who knows The line just got written as it was I don't know But it was unsatisfactory to me It almost feels like

They knew they wanted there to be something But they hadn't figured out what the something was So they were just alluding to a little to a mystery something. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Because it cracks the door wide open.

I mean, you can't be more vague than, I did like her line where I think you say, to her, you say, people have the right to change. And she says, yeah, but people also have the right to stay the same. Yeah. That was my favorite too. Which I love that. I love that line. But it is.

It's so wildly vague that it kind of does, it paints them into no corners now. yeah so kind of bought them time to see like how your guys's chemistry was going to be and how everything went to sort of maybe they can make a better informed decision three episodes down the line yeah maybe that's it i hope we do find out more i do too i do too but i will say i i did appreciate that that was the nugget for me because yes of course you imagine like when you set out to say i want to try to be with this person you know forever like all these dream scenarios we've talked about for our future. Like, I want to work to make those true.

And sometimes they're just not. Sometimes, like, the words can't be translated into action. And how do you know when to call it? And how do you know when to choose yourself? And what I got, you know, from Chantelle's performance, which I thought was so, it was beautiful to watch, even though I think the writers did a disservice with this really ambiguous scene

they gave the two of you because you're both great actors and like you could have told a story instead of, you know, done the weird alluding to something thing. But I could feel the like pain of we made these plans together,

we committed to a life together and he doesn't want it anymore. Yeah. And how hard it can be to say, like, I'm so miserable. I realize I don't miss someone. Yeah. Like, I think we've all felt that in our own way, you know, off screen, even on. Like, early in our show, Brooke says it to Lucas. She's like, you never missed me, and I stopped missing you. And I think there's something so true about when someone's not willing to make an effort for you, how long

are you supposed to wait? Is it a year? Is it four years? Is it 10 years? How, How long do you wait for them to care enough to care about you? And it, even though it was ambiguous, I almost wonder if in a way it makes it feel relatable for everyone because you're like, oh, I don't know what she's talking about, but I know what she's talking about. I'd be really curious for audience feedback on that. It makes it that much more accessible, the broader you keep it.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But also, you know what, though, it's kind of a sneaky tool because it invites speculation. And back then, when the message boards were going crazy and fan theories were going crazy, that's pretty juicy bait to put out there to then let the fans run with and theorize before you answer it in three episodes.

If indeed they answer it. I hope they answer it. Yes. If they don't, I think people are smart. And telling someone your own story that is in the same vein is somehow similar to, their story is is valuable like people could hear some sort of specific ideas and go like okay well in my own circumstance it wasn't exactly that but I still feel all those same things which I think sometimes can be more valuable than just a broad statement because then it's like well but how

like I don't do you actually understand how I feel but all of this is moot if they don't actually answer the question I know I'm so curious I think they will I know David comes in because it It was Allison, who plays Miss Lauren's husband in real life. Yeah. So happy to have him. It was so fun when Scott got cast. Yeah. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer. because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history.

On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How wonderful is Gregory Harrison as Julian's dad, Paul? Oh, yeah.

I love that, man. Another funny moment. So I had just done a series with Gregory for two years and loved him. I had completely forgotten. He was on the show until I start watching these scenes. And he's so good. And their stuff is so wonderful. The thing I laughed at, well, first, before that scene was the way Brooke is suggesting,

the way she's commenting on the positioning and the location. of the poster, as a guy with no fashion sense or an eye for decor, and I have a wife who has a wonderful eye for decor, I felt that conversation on a very deep, relatable level. But the one thing about the scene with Julian and Paul was that awkward blocking alert where Julian is standing right next to the front door, and Paul's sort of standing in the middle, and he goes, Dad, I think you should leave. And rather than opening the door for him, he takes five false steps or five steps away from it

and kind of stops and waits so that they can have that shot of Paul talking over his shoulder and I just went buddy you had him standing next to the door yeah no adult would go I think you should leave I'm going to walk to the other side while you do

you know it was just I felt like I felt as an actor going oh this is one of those moments where you're like please don't make me do this yeah can we not can we skip that Yeah, they were trying to make lunch. They were just like, come on, let's... They were like, now you walk in, and then it's going to be your close-up.

That poster was so random to me. I understand what they were trying to do, but it hung so high. Why so high? I appreciated that they leaned into the awkwardness of it. Yeah. Because it did look really strange, just random generic leaf pattern wallpaper with a thin red line poster on it. Like, was he not decorating the rest of the house? But fine.

I get it. just felt a little clunky. Yeah. I will say, I really, again, like, don't get me wrong, I love the love stories on our show. You know, that's what we're here for. Like, we wouldn't do all the, we wouldn't have done any of the dumb shit all of us have done in our lives if we weren't here for the love part. But I love seeing these relationships between Nathan and Clay, between Julian and Paul, and I was so taken by Austin's performances, because when you think they're going to have this conversation where he's like, I'm sorry, I hung a poster in the middle of your living room, and he tells this story about this day with his dad. It's so, I can see all the emotion

right under his eyes, right beneath his chest. Like, it's so alive for him. And, and, what I wanted to like high-five him through the TV when we were watching the terrible way they made them block that scene because he used awkward blocking to give himself a moment to turn and I'm telling you guys like when I saw him turn away from camera and turn back to Gregory I was like oh my god he looks like a five-year-old boy like he looks like a little boy trying to talk to his dad and it for these new characters in the same way I feel with Nathan and Clay, I feel like I got all their history in two scenes with Julian and Brooke and then Julian and Paul. I was like, oh, I have all of it. I understand Paul as deeply as I understand

Victoria. And I loved feeling like those men showed up for this like intimacy and this and no one was afraid to be revealing. And even Gregory, he's such a beautiful actor when he's apologizing and he admits he doesn't remember the day. I was like, oh my God, I want to sob. I really loved it. that your speech to him was such a great portrayal of just an act of love of caring for someone and being someone's protector you know it was it was such a nice moment and then when he circles back with with julian you know my note was if only parents in real life could have such profound and quick adjustments you know like it was it was such a wonderfully i'm sure every therapist would love that that was the case because they'd be so much more successful.

But it was, it was so quick and so meaningful, which made for a great payoff. It was like, oh, if only, if only this was sort of the way it went most of the time. Yeah. Yeah, because I was thinking that too, watching it how incredibly, I mean, even conversations with my dad, who I'm close with talking about, I'm sorry that I did this or I'm sorry that I didn't show up in this way. I mean, it's so uncomfortable and we're both like trying not to cry really. like, we're cool. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah. But, you know, that stuff is really hard to talk

about with you. I mean, for me and my parents, I don't know, maybe. Oh, my too. Yeah, maybe it's not for everybody, but I wanted to see more emotion at the beginning. I was like, how is he just so easily saying these lines? Like, I'm sorry that I paid more attention to fictional characters than I did to you. And I was like, man, that doesn't, that's not hard to say. Gosh. But then, When he looks at the poster and he realizes he doesn't remember the day, it went from this sort of, I'm going to be an adult and I'm going to be diplomatic and I'm an executive and I can apologize when I'm wrong and I'm just going to say, I'm sorry to my son to, oh, I've actually been a pretty terrible father in this way. Yeah. And it's like it didn't hit him until he really looked at the poster and realized that the most meaningful day to my son, I literally do not remember. Yeah.

Then you saw it, the vulnerability in his whole face. It was great. I thought it was really beautifully done. That line, I think, the acknowledgement that he doesn't remember the day is where he earns that whole speech. Because that's because he didn't need to say that. He could have said nothing and Julian probably would have hoped slash believed that his dad remembered it the same way that he did. But in getting vulnerable and sort of exposing the fact that he doesn't even remember it, it's like, okay, you're, you're not. worried about how you're going to look right now or how I'm going to feel about you saying

that you're just you're just you're giving me the dignity of being honest with me the dignity of it yeah and there was something too I loved the way the scenes mirrored I loved being able to defend him as Brooke I loved being able to step up and say you know what here's the issue like that is a thing I will do for the people I love in my own life forever. I think the way you phrased it, Rob, makes me want to sob in the best way, like the act of love of it. And for her to say, there was only one day, and that's the problem. It should be the inverse.

The one day you made him feel terrible should be the rare day. And then when I think it leads into that thing with Gregory and the way he plays it, for him to go, yeah, I don't remember that one day. And it's like, oh, God, everybody in the room, everybody in this house knows it's bad. But yeah, the chance may be to have it changed. Maybe the way that hit him, Paul, like, wait a second, this woman is telling me this thing.

And, yeah, I don't know the one day. Was there only one day? I wonder how long he ruminated on that. You know, it's, oh, I just thought it was really great. I loved it all. It made me feel very emotional. And kind of like Joy was saying, it's, there is almost a weird amount of polish to his, to this speech he gives for someone who, if has spent his whole life being the opposite of it, you would think it would have been a lot more clumsy and clunky and inorganic. So the fact that it is kind of polished and well-spoken, but then he throws this in, like I said, I think that's what sort of sells the whole thing and grounds it.

And you go, okay, yeah, I buy all of it. Totally changing of subject here, but speaking of great intros from last episode, Jana, her first proper scene in this show, when she meets Millie at the airport, she, it's another one. of those scenes it's dynamic it's funny it's early aughts fashion it's oh i don't mean the jane austin i mean the the no early odds it's like early 2000s late 90s that fashion everything she was wearing was so specific so brittney christina like everything from the magazines back then yeah yeah with the exception of her dropping a hard r word it was yeah pretty polished and perfect yeah didn't love that but But interestingly, it leads to the disgust even more. You're like, you're immediately. You're a monster. And you can see it on Millie's face. She's like, wait, who is this person? Oh, no. And everything from like the horrible thing she has to say about people to, you know, oh, I just made that up. Let's go to a Mickey Dees. Your favorite line. I could eat the butt off of skunk. Like, yeah, digging through the limo. to even change the cadence of her voice.

Yeah. Like walking through the airport, she's like, oh, thank you. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. No, you're brave. And then she gets in and she's like, ew, gross. No. Hungry.

Where's my alcohol? Like, and you're just aghast. That was my word. I am aghast. A gassed. And like, how fun to feel that way watching someone perform. And she plays Alex with such earnestness in the sense of you see it in the closeover bros scene which in comedy is so great

because the more you can commit the better it's going to be but that wonderful exchange of that's what she said and then her sincerely not getting it but then wanting to be in on the joke and then using it incorrectly was so much fun you know they said there's no vanity in comedy and that was a perfect example of just she was willing to just go for it and look like a complete ass and it made the joke land so well. Yeah. It was perfect. And then not only does she use it wrong, but when she sets me up for a good one and I use it. And she's like, who? Oh, my friend. Yeah, she said that. And the scene is over. I was like, this is so, it's just so good. I enjoyed watching you enjoy that. Like the choice to make Brooke not just totally appalled,

but actually so beyond, you were incredulous. You could just could not believe it. And then you really started to enjoy it. It was great. I really, I had so much fun with it. And it's funny because watching Alex and Millie together, I was like, well, I want this whole movie. I want this buddy comedy.

And then that scene with the three of us, I wrote down, I was like, oh, I want us to remake 9 to 5. Oh, yeah. It would be so funny. the one thing about that scene that I had I had to laugh at and just shake my head was when she goes says something to the effect of

oh you know and because I have a great butt and they actually do a gratuitous close up shot of her butt in underwear and it was that reminder of oh yeah okay I know what show this is I know what show okay we still got that's still happening

all right I mean by the way Jana got it Chantelle got it on the beach India gets it soon India gets it all the time there was there was a shot on the beach leading up to one of those

snack stand scenes or maybe the one where skills in Miss Loring get buried that's just two girls walking by it's just their butts it's hip bones down just butts

and I was like wow they really was this like a was this an email sent out to all camera people from our boss like more butts. I don't know what's happening.

Because the guys that were running our camera department were not look. I mean, no. These guys were not luxurious men. They were wonderful. Lovely, wonderful, respectful men. So there had to be some kind of company-wide memo that went out that was like, we need more T&A on this show. Oh, boy.

Speaking of Chantal on that beach, that moment where she walks up to Clay and Nathan, and she says, hey, dumb and dumber. Yeah. is such a perfect line. I don't know, because I don't remember whether on the day this was just a choice I made or if it was me dealing with sunscreen in my eyes

and a bright sun on a beach. But watch that moment when she says, hey, dumb and tummer, and Clay, it just sort of goes like, hey, I make the most awkward, weird, blinking face. And so

it was either a genius choice or just a beautiful accent. It's probably, it was just a beautiful accident, but you've got to watch it because it is the most sincere a guy completely losing his cool and not knowing how to behave. Yeah. Well, and wanting to say something funny and then also knowing he's not supposed to flirt with this girl because his brother-in-law is standing there. It's like the short circuit of not knowing what to do. We would be remiss if we didn't at least take a moment to acknowledge how amazing the scene with joy playing not one, not two, but. three iconic characters

from one tree I was like when are we getting into red bedroom records because it's so funny you are so funny in that scene and the way that you played

Chad especially you nailed both of them but the choices you made on Chad were so funny to me you had me cracking up

oh good they were so great I was scared to do that why well because I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings it's like where's the line

between a roast and like when you're making fun of someone in a way that's hurtful. And I was like, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. And maybe like, maybe these people, maybe, you know, they don't know that some of, these are some of their fun ticks. Like your mannerisms? Yeah, like I've got mine. Everybody's got mannerisms on camera and things that we carry over to other jobs and, and,

or just playing as Haley or Peyton or Lucas or whatever. So, yeah, but I just, I went for it. It was scary, though. I remember being like, oh, God. The reason why I think it wasn't, it didn't seem cruel to me was, I think any young male actor who has aspirations of being a leading man, especially in that time period, knows that cool guy wince, the cool guy voice. And let me tell you what, if you've ever taken a headshot, you certainly know the cool guy, I wish you're watching on YouTube listeners. The hand behind the head. Everyone's taken that headshot.

Guys, go to YouTube.com to see every headshot I've ever taken right now. So when you did the hand on the back of the head It was so funny Every male actor knows that I also think like A yes The timeliness of It's so reflective of the era But I think too you were the only one who could have done it

Because Brooke and Peyton and Lucas had their love triangle drama Nathan also dated Peyton Like Haley is literally the best friend who doesn't have person life drama with these two people. Yeah. So for her, I think she's like the one character who can lovingly make fun of those people without anyone being like, well, she inserted that because it's like, no. Yeah.

It works for me because of the history and because of the sort of sister vibe that Haley has with both Peyton and Lucas. I think it's just perfect. And, you know, you've officiated their wedding and you really do know them so incredibly well that you can you can lovingly giggle about their tics i wonder how it came up in the writer's room like what somebody sitting there writing the scene going what would haley do next well if payton and lucas were there she would call them huh actually yeah and then they just wrote that in that's i think that's so funny i never would have thought of that it's really great i feel like one of those

things where circumstances create a problem and the solution you end up scrambling together is better than the original plane. It's like Indiana Jones and Harrison Ford had the flu and there was supposed to be the huge fight with the guy with the sword and instead he was feeling terrible and he just went, how about I just pull out the gun and shoot him?

And they went, okay. And now that's the most iconic thing that that fight scene where the guy does all the sword stuff and he just stands there nonplussed and then pulls out his gun and shoots. The only reason that happened was because he had the flu on that day. He was so sick.

How about I just shoot the guy instead? Spielberg was like, okay. Oh, that's great. I had no idea. Wow. Yeah, I love hearing those kind of stories. Yeah, that's great. I love it.

That's so cool. Yeah, the saw of not having these people anymore and missing them. Like, Jamie reading the birthday card from Lucas and getting the ball in 701 is such a tug on the heartstrings moment. And then to get this comic relief with like, I miss my friends, I can't call them. I don't know who to ask what to do here. And I like that Haley goes to Peyton first because obviously if she's your business, partner and you guys run this label together. And then it's like, wait a second, I could do the same with Lucas. It's just so, it's natural and it's so, so funny. And the whole dynamic that runs

under this scary thing, and I don't know if you and Les Butler talked about this, but I was going to ask, like, the whole dynamic under the red bedroom storyline is funny. Even when you come up with your big idea, the way you grab your purse and you're like flailing running out of the room, like everything's funny like you're you're being very physically comedic in a stressful situation and then when you and kate are at it you know mea comes to the rescue you guys are really funny you're doing like a like a good cop bad cop thing together yeah and was was that intentional was the goal like oh this this record label drama could feel like heavy and like a big fight and we want it to feel light and funny because you're going to win?

No, I'm just a really animated person and I had to, I feel like I had to be so stiff as Haley so often and I was always trying to do my Lucille ball stuff and Greg or whoever, you know, usually Greg, but a lot of our directors would be like, could you tone it down a little like, it's just not a sitcom? I'm like, oh, fine. You're like, but I'm bored. I'll tuck it back in. So yeah, no, I think I was just probably feeling the knee. Also, I mean, at that time, when was this 2007? Yeah, I mean, I was like in my personal life incredibly depressed during that time. And so I, but my saving grace was work.

Like I would go to work and be able to just let loose and have fun. And so I desperately needed play at that time in my life. And I think I started just taking every opportunity I could on set to just make it. as fun as humanly possible for myself. So I didn't trust my ever-loving mind. Yeah, I get that. I mean, that was, by the way, like full moment of vulnerability. That was my whole experience doing my play in London. Like when you are so crushed and you realize like, oh, everything I've built my life into, I think was like words, not actions maybe. Like, this is not what I thought it was going to be. That is where I think we have such a privilege as artists, because when you can go

to work and be in your body and move and process and laugh, and also sometimes laughing is what helps you cry, like, art can actually be the thing that heals you or that gets you free. Yeah. And man, like, of course, I'm like, oh my God, of course that tracks in like, obviously, conversations we were having then about what was happening in your life, the conversations we were having last year about it was happening in my life like it it really can become like your only place for respite and so I'm like oh of course you were managing to insert comedy into this like essentially contractual fight you know about like someone buys your record label that's like an arranged marriage at work like of course you needed a little bit of levity in those spaces but

I as if you were not even thinking about that personal life stuff while I was watching it, I was like, God, I love the choice to make this like a funny fight instead of another sob story fight like teen dramas love to do. Thanks. Yeah. Thanks. We needed some of that, especially with all the drama coming. I'm excited to see what happens after Nathan has his big talk of Haley.

So much tension, so many big things coming. Him walking out there to you. I was like, oh my God, oh my God. my god oh my god oh my god oh my god i have to tell you something i was like oh my god yeah like do you remember what's coming i don't i mean i know he's going to tell me everything that i wasn't there for in the episode but well yeah i i don't know no i don't either honestly it's fun like that and i i like it that way because i get to experience this like a first time viewer where i'm just i'm on i'm on board for the ride

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelis, who with brother, Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcasts. Do we want to do some honorable mentions? I'm going to go ahead and just jump right in here because Denzel and Macaulay for the walkie-talkie handles between Jamie and Skills delighted me.

Me too. That whole scene, I could have also done with, 30 more minutes of Allison and Antoine and Jackson in that car. That was, I mean, the fact that little Jamie's playing therapist to Antoine before Miss Lauren gets in the car and then the fun of leaving them at the beach. But then the walkie-talkie handles, man. That was perfect. I can't believe they had to sit there and get buried in the sand to do that scene.

I really hope they weren't there for a long time. I should call Allison and ask her. Yeah, I know. I was thinking that, too. Like, how long did they have to be under the sand? That's not a beach day I want. Did they have to bury their stand-ins first to get all the lighting right? Oh, my God.

I'm sure they did. I would imagine they dug the pit and then just had the stand-in sit in the empty pits and then put Allison and Antoine in and put the sand over them. Yeah, that makes sense. My honorable mention goes to every girl on the show that doesn't have straight hair having exactly the same hairdo. Every curly-haired girl had exactly the same hair. You actually, so your hair in the first scene with Austin, like the first half of the show, was not the same. It was like this really lovely, beachy wave. But you still had the bangs.

We had, they were like side bangs. right? Yeah. And I loved that on you. But yeah, me, Kate, India's was straight, but it was still the same cut. Chantelle, same straight, but same cut. And then Millie. And then you occasionally with the bangs and the curly hair, but it was mostly you were doing your own thing. But yeah, so many same, especially when Kate and I were standing next to each other in the red bedroom, I was like, what, what happened? We just both went to the same hair salon before we came. This was a rough season for hair for me. But, yeah, that's my honorable mention.

Just everybody gets the same hair too today. Oh, my goodness. I feel like I have 40 honorable mentions in this episode. Yeah, give us a real one. List them all. I'm joking, but yes. I'm like, well, here we go. Yeah, I think I'll go with Danielle, like just the mic drop coming out,

Rachel as Dan's wife and being so in her power. And, like, so obviously in control, I was like, oh, I'm here for this. I can't wait for more. Yeah. Also, that that's what she said entire scene. I'm sorry. Just yes. Yes to all of it.

Should we spin a wheel? Most likely to become a vegan. This is a bummer of a wheel question this week. I mean, it's not me. Not me. Yeah. Yeah, maybe Whitey, you know, maybe just she's getting a little bit later in life and he wants to just increase that longevity and he thinks, I'm just going to go ahead and be a vegan. See how that works out.

I'll take it. I love that answer. All right, great. Whitey it is. What do we have next week, kids? I would love to tell you we have next week, so season seven, episode three, hold my hand as I'm lowered. Oh. Raises more questions than answers.

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