Drama Queens - Vegas, Baby • EP320

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

The Drama Queens are finally in the same room together this week for the iHeart Festival in Vegas! Hilarie, Sophia and Joy fawn over James’ performance, reveal co-star crushes and which love stories they wish they were able to see play out in Tree Hill. Plus, find out everyone’s IRL shower song!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride and our comic girl. Drama queen cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. guys we're together this week actually in person we're here live in Vegas baby oh my god

I love being in Vegas with you guys I like being a little bad and I like dressing up like Elvis we were in your room so late last night your sweet husband just like getting us food and being like what do you need to drink and he's an angel yeah grant took very good care of all of us thank God Because I think I forgot how to party a little bit. How late did you guys stay after I left? No, I left when you left. Oh, you did? We were up today.

But you guys, I'm on New York time. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm on Tennessee time, too. Tennessee time. That's a country. Tennessee time. No, I woke up at 6.30 and I was like, no.

Pass. Right back to bed. Paz. So this week we get to watch the episode together, which is fun, because we're in a beautiful suite. Tell them where we are, girls. Tell them where we are. The Green Valley Ranch, and we're drinking some delicious champagne.

This is very nice. How do you say it, Colette? Well, Colette would be two teas and a knee. Coley. Coley, chanche, and fancy. It is quite delicious, and I hope that you go get a bottle of your own. Okay, bye-bye. It's nice to be together.

Yeah. Well, and also it makes it more fun to laugh at ourselves in the episode when we're all sitting on a couch together because there was some content in this episode where we were like, those lines are hard to say. A lot of exposition. How did you put it? Come on.

I said it was written shitty, but shot pretty. And it was. It was a terrible script. Wait a second. I'm going to argue with you on this because there were some really nice monologues that James had. Oh, James. You know, there was the dialogue between you and Greenberg when it was the fluffy stuff was bad. But the meaningful, like meaty stuff, I actually really liked.

And I thought you guys pulled it off well and he did a great job. I agree. James started the episode and finished the episode like a star. He's never looked better. He's never been more confident. He was so hot in this episode. It was unbelievable. James Lafferty show.

It was truly the James Lafferty episode. Caviot, we had no idea. Nathan Scott took bubble baths. We got there. Wait, we have to say what this episode is. But wait. But the thing that stuck out to me is it started off and we were like, wow, this is amazing.

His monologues are amazing. Look how it shot. And then suddenly every other scene was terrible. And then by the end of the episode, we were watching some of our favorite scenes yeah it it was very all over the place but well the basketball was beautiful i loved it tell them tell them what the run though it's season three episode 20 every day is a sunday evening oh i didn't realize that was the song title and ties in so nicely with um that's cute jake and peyton storyline oh jake uh it aired april 19th 2006 go ahead read the synopsis

Okay. Y'all, season three episode 20, Peyton is reunited with Jake in Savannah, Georgia. She makes a decision about her future with a very big question. You know, points for the boldness of the teens on our show. Nathan is on fire, on the basketball court, and in both of his jerseys. It doesn't say that, but I added it. While Dan is forced to watch from the outside, what a scene. And Uncle Cooper realizes Rachel's true identity.

And this is the first and only episode Lucas does not appear and it's the first episode for Nathan Scott to be the only character to narrate. Oh. It's kind of fun.

I loved it. His voice is so soothing to listen to. It really is. Honestly, listening to James Narrate this episode, I was like,

well, we got to get him a podcast. It drives me crazy that he's not a huge movie star because he's so handsome and he's so interesting to watch work and he's good and like, it's just so stupid.

I remember thinking, movie studios, hire James Lafferty. He's so good. He's so good. I remember thinking, and by the way, no shade. And he gets better and better looking as we get older. He does.

God, damn it's rude. He's one of those guys like Robert Redford, who just gets more handsome? And you're like, cool, who'd you sell your soul to? Can I make that deal? But I remember thinking, and again, like no shade at all. I'm a huge John Krasinski fan. I think he is hilarious and wonderful. But when he got Jack Ryan, I was like, that should be James Lafford.

Yeah. Like, what's going on? And again, he did a great job. action movie just for James? He needs to be an action movie star. But can he take a bubble bath in it? Is my question. That's the best. I want that too. You know what it is? It's like we do Charlie's Angels, but it's really about Charlie and that's James. Oh, young, like the back story of who is Charlie? Who is Charlie? Interesting. That is the third time you and I have said the exact same thing with the exact same intonation today and I really like it. We're on the same page. For those of you who missed it.

body is really hurting him at the beginning of this episode. Joy just said to correct the way I hold the microphone. First of all, wait, Hillary has her hand actually wrapped around the top of the microphone, which is my favorite. But then the other part is when she just pushes it off to the side. So it's like at her ear.

She's like, she's like, can you guys, I'm talking on the phone. I hold the microphone like it's a telephone. Okay, I'm an idiot. I got one of those little Bob Barker microphone.

That's what you need. Or just one that comes off, like a Bluetooth? No, like a motivational speaker. Like, Tony, what's his face? The thing is the microphone on the side. The Broadway run where it comes down, it's taped to my forehead. Sorry, guys.

Anyway. Yeah, Nathan's body is hurting him so much because Bassett ball has been in fucking tense. And Haley's like rubbing his back and he's, his remedy is this bubble bath in your purple bathroom. First time we ever saw that bathroom. Yeah. Purple and red. They really went for it. Set deck really was like, let's really keep in theme.

But in a rental? Like, I've never been in a rental that wasn't beige. Do you know what I mean? Always. They're always neat. They're very, very neutral. I will say, I would love to interview our set decorator at some point because somebody on our show had a crush on purple.

Your apartment was purple. Your bathroom was purple tile. And when we do our flash forward to the future in Brooke Davis buys her house on the water, lots of purple. The main bedroom is purple tile. wallpaper. What? It chased us around for nine years, guys. And I have questions. Maybe they have, I would like to see their house because maybe it's all purple with lots of lamps. Lamps. God. Okay. We got robbed by a lot of heartthrobs. And it really hurt in this episode. Again, Chad was not in

this episode. So they decided to fill that time with a little dose of Brian Greenberg and Michael Truco and it hurts so bad to know how robbed Sophia and I were in the long game once we found out you and Truco were supposed to be a thing in later seasons that that was going to be my grown-up story so it makes all the sense why when we see him on on Main Street I'm like oh Cooper's in town how do I look yeah foreshadowing foreshadowing and you just called him out Hot Uncle Cooper. Hi. Honestly, it's that sort of energy that I loved when the writers gave to me to play for

Brooke, just saying things like that and having the moment about the pie. And like, when she really just put it all out there, I loved it. I go back watching these episodes with you guys and I'm like, I should do that now. You should just do that. Joy does that. Joy is good at saying what we're all thinking. You are skilled at that We'll be out and you'll be like, I don't like this

Okay Yeah, me neither I was just pretending Thank you for saying it Yeah So we find out that Coop has no idea about Rachel We found that out like in the last episode

And this is where the cards are being stacked We know it's all gonna fall apart Can we skip to the end? Like can we surmise the Sure I'm down to We can do whatever we want. Guys, how do we feel about the fact that Cooper still hooked up with her?

I feel real bad about it. Yeah, I don't like it. Especially because what I don't like is that the writers put the Rachel character in the cartoon villain position of being the tempteress. Yeah, she's the kid. It's gross. She's a kid. And I had such high hopes when she said it's okay, you know, because it's North Carolina,

which by the way also disgusting that's for a separate conversation and he said no it's not okay with me you have to be a hell of a lot older for me and then they made her take her clothes off and say all the things in the little voice and then they kissed anyway and i was like come on yeah you actually were doing something great yeah you made a great choice and then no you just you were gross fumbled that it doesn't you know i it bothers me for denial and for i guess for our audience that that was the representation. It was normalized. Yeah, but there is something realistic.

I mean, I did know girls like that in high school who were trying to get attention using their sexuality because that's all that they knew that they were worth. Yeah. Those are the only tools the patriarchy gives you. Well, yeah, however they were raised, that's what they were taught. And so I am okay with that. I'm okay with characters having flaws like that. And I like that it's possible for Rachel to go on a journey there.

Yeah. But I didn't like the grown man making that choice at the end. Like when he walked over to her with her shirt, I wanted him to open it up and put it over her shoulder. Yes. That's what I was expecting him to do. Go home. That's what I was expecting him to do.

I was surprised he didn't. He's such like a hero in the episode. The first time we see Cooper in this episode, he, you know, Dan is just pastor and Deb in the kitchen. He's like pestering Nathan and Cooper comes in and like bows up to him. And it's like, yeah, I'm here. This is my sister's house. Get out.

And we're like, yes, Cooper. And then we see him being cool with the high school kids and Karen's cafe. He's like a cool guy. And he's a good guy. He is telling Nathan do the right thing and talking him through making the right choices. I mean, even the random exposition on Brooke's part saying, no, I know Cooper. He would never date a high school girl. How does Brooke know Cooper?

I mean, that's just convenient. The writers are like, you know how we'll make it seem. like he's been around forever. We'll have everybody know something about it. And then, even if you've never seen him, you'll know there's relationships. That's right. That's been built. It's been built.

It just happened off camera. It sucks, though, because that was the opportunity for somebody to stand up and say, hey, sweetie, you actually are worth a lot more than just using your sexuality to find your value. And he didn't. It was like he just reconfirmed again, oh, well, if I just flaunted enough, if I just push it out there enough, then I'll get the validation that I'm looking for

and any man will fall for it. And it's just sad because that's not true because, oh, I want so much more for Rachel. Yeah. I love the way that DeNeil plays Rachel. Because she, it's really easy to look at her with the slow motion shots that I hate like while she's washing the car

and be like, this is a sex pot. and then you see her get really frustrated with herself and really like disappointed and like hurt like a girl like a little girl and she is the one that is constantly having to remind the lens of our show which was controlled by men whether it was behind the camera or writing the scripts she is the one that's constantly having to remind them girl here little girl here teenage girl here yeah and she does a really good job of bit, but even mouth, you know, as much as he's like, hey, I love you or I like you and you led me on and stuff, even he forgets. She's just a little girl. She's a teenager. Pretending. It's the Marilyn Monroe thing. She's always Norma Jean, really. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, what's interesting is making her that sort of stereotypical vixen takes away her innocence. and that's a very confusing place. You know, we've all had experiences

when at some point in our young life, in our teen years, we realized, oh, the world looks at me and my body and my gender a certain way. Yeah. I don't feel that way. I realize I'm being looked at that way. Yeah.

And it's an alarming and scary at times thing to go through. And it's really interesting to have De Niel as an actress have the wherewithal to show that through Rachel even if she's not always given the words for it to lean in and play the girl who's playing it up and act like a college girl who has it all together

and who has this boyfriend and all these things but when when she gets confronted with realities and Daniel's face falls you see the youth in that character and she had to remember to do that. for 17-year-old Rachel, even though she was, you know, what, 24, 25 at the time of this season? And that's really cool. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep

traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember how young you were the first time, like a grown-up man, made you feel like, oh, you don't see me as a kid? Mm-hmm. I remember like the very first time I must have been like 10 or 11 and my dad's friend came

by on his motorcycle and it wasn't someone I'd ever met before and we just met him down at the end of the driveway and he didn't even say anything gross he just said something like oh my god do you want a boyfriend you're so pretty and and it laughed it off and and I just remember being so fucking mad and like so grossed out and like like really upset by that and it was nothing like in the grand scheme of things it was like a big nothing right but that really was my first time that I was like

ew if I had a boyfriend it would be you know Larry Eppard or like one of my best friends from school not you you gross old man you know yeah I just I don't think you ever shake that and then it happens over and over again it's it's not a big nothing that's really really gross for a grown man to say that to a girl is in high school. How old were you? No, baby, I was like in fifth or sixth grade.

Oh, that is even worse. Beyond gross. But it's just like, oh, ha, ha. My dad, my, like, the older men in my life who are, well, I guess it was your dad's friend if you were, you would have been, what, 40s, like early 40s? Yeah, grown up. So all the men that are now are, I mean, can you, honestly, could you imagine. Like if Jeff said that.

Or Grant? No. seeing an 11-year-old or 10-year-old. Can you imagine either of our husbands? Do you want a boyfriend? You are so pretty. Ew. Ew.

No. But for someone like Rachel, if that's the only time the grown-ups in the room are paying attention to you, you're just like, great, here I am. Oh, yeah. This is the card I'm going to play. Well, and you know what? I know we've talked about this a lot personally, the three of us. I don't know if we've talked about it on the show, but.

We all grew up in different parts of the country. We had different experiences as young women. And, you know, Hillary, when you've talked about how common it was in the south, in Virginia, in further southern states, to see a culture of like, well, you know, by the time your daughter's in high school, you better figure out who her husband's going to be. Yeah. that's it feels alarming and scary and there is something I think that is important given some of the things you've shared with us about the fact that for however flawed the writing was that we were because of where we were geographically in the show that we were also highlighting that a lot of girls Rachel's age were being told by their parents you go out there and you get that man you go out there and you figure out who you're person is. Well, the only reason you go to college is to get your MRS. Right. That's it. You know?

Right. So for the girl like Rachel, who's maybe not that great at school, or maybe she is, I don't know what her deal was. Watch Rachel's, Rachel's in all honors classes. Yeah, she one of those secret smart girls. Like, we knew the Bevin was like smart. But it doesn't matter because we're all raised with these deficiencies of like wherever we're

not getting the attention that we need, whether it's, and then we find an area where, oh, I can get attention if I get on stage and do a tap dance. I can get attention if I use my sexuality. I can get attention if I... Great a basketball. Yeah. So we all have those areas. But it is definitely probably... And you're right, especially in the South, I think. I don't know how much that is now. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a 17-year-old girl now. I know the way it was when we were growing up. Yeah, yeah.

But DeNeil grew up in Louisiana where, again, like... But she could be smart. She could be super smart. It doesn't matter. wherever the thing, the vulnerability and security in you is, that's the avenue that you use to try and get attention. Absolutely. So it doesn't matter whether she was smart or not. I remember, like, the thing that we were told when we were growing up is that, oh, Southern girls are so hot when they're in high school. They peak early.

Ew. So you have to get married really young so you can get the best husband. I just remember that being like a thing. Like, we peak early. And I couldn't wait to get to New York. I was like, I don't want to peek early. I want to peek at... Man, I left Texas before that.

You know, I left when I was 12, so I didn't, I missed the whole teenage southern experience in Texas. It's not like where I grew up was like super, super, super, super southern, but it was just southern enough to have those kinds of like snippets in the dialogue, you know? We peek early, man. No, we don't. You're like, I'm still peaking. You're welcome. but maybe Nathan and Rachel are kind of going through the same thing because they've got this thing that they have to prove. I have to prove. I have to prove I have to prove I'm super

sexy. I'm valuable. And Nathan has to prove like I have to win this for Whitey. I have to win this game for myself. I have to win it for Lucas. I have to win it for Keith. I have to win it for my community. Like I've built my whole life on this idea. I'm going to make it happen. And he does. in grand fashion oh this was so good i loved the slow mo i loved all the uh i loved all his monologues i really did they were interesting to listen to maybe it's james's voice that was so soothing but i thought they were well written i liked him i also was so impressed when you hit that moment at the end and he's looking at that d-bag from the other team and it's a close-up on james making the free throw looking to his left at the other player so in my in my director brain i go oh they had to cut

into a close-up because he didn't make it. And then they cut into the wide and you see that he made a freaking free throw, not even looking at the basket. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, we all cheered in this room. Guys, that's one of the hottest things I've ever seen on our show. So hot. It's so sexy.

It's so much more sexy than any of the stuff they think is sexy. Yeah. The bubble bath? I mean, the bubble bath is hot too, but it's not, no, I mean, that's the truth. Rachel crawling out of bed. whatever. I mean, she's hot, but like, come on. Can she make a free throw? Last week, not even looking at this, the raw confidence. Confidence is hot. Yeah. And it's something I think we can see now, especially knowing all of us. Because it's so not so well. And you go,

oh my God, was anyone paying attention to this? Yeah. Was everyone just talking about the Rachel Uncle Cooper thing? Like, did the internet talk about that shot? Because if they didn't, they need to now. They need to now. Yeah. I want to see memes and memes and memes of that. Yes. All the memes. Make us a gift.

A gift. That's what I meant to say. Please. What's the difference between a meme and a gift? I don't know. I tried to get my 12-year-old to explain that to me. Well, memes are made up of all sorts of things, like video clips, gifts, photos with writing on them, like.

But a gif is just like the couple of images that get animated to move together in a loop. Oh, okay. That kind of makes sense. I get it. Yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. It's like, you know, you have a gift, you have a photo, you have a video. Yeah. And you can use any of those to make a meme.

The more you know. Yeah, this is Tech Talk with the drama queens. Okay, let's talk about Jake. Let's check, Jake and Peyton. Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, right. He sang me a song. He nearly is curled up in the fetal position on the couch right now. It was just, okay.

What a cheat. Like, what a cheat. I had him. I lost it. him. I had him again. I lost him again. And now he's back and he's going to go make movies with Uma Thurman and leave me again. I can't take it. I think my heart can't take it. It's difficult not only for Peyton Sawyer, but for Hillary Burton because I just felt so safe in crying Greenberg's arms. Yes. What a prince. So much good chemistry between the two of you. He's so sincere. He

fills up the space when you watch him. But it feels inviting. It's not filling. It's not filling up like taking over it's like a big his presence just feels like a big warm hug ready and waiting for you well he's so open yeah and so many boys at this age were trying to be cool trying to look cool trying to be jacked like doing pushups right before the camera would roll like oh my god remember they would all do that and we were like what is wrong with you guys and then you cut to greenberg and he's sitting and like literally looking in his eyes you feel the openness of his energy. He's such an artist. He's so interested and curious about other people. So he welcomes you in and gives you permission to be open. And it's so nice to watch you in those scenes with him Hill

just be so present and be happy. Girly and happy and surprised. Guys, I was giddy with that dude. I loved him. And I think he's well written in a way because we always knew we had limited time with him. Right. So like how do we make this count how do we make this count and so even though we have to speak about like a lot of exposition here jake's talking about bigger picture things you know like like being happy what does that mean to a 17 year old you know how do you wrap your head around like oh we've had to deal with some pretty heinous shit you know how are we going to overcome that so that we're not miserable like our parents yeah you know that we don't fall prey to this and i don't know guys They told me that Jake and I were endgame and...

It should have been. I'm sorry to all the fans out there who love the end game of Peyton and Lucas. I respect you. We need you. I appreciate you. I respectfully disagree. It's sliding doors, right? Yeah.

It is. Like, Peyton and Lucas make sense. Not in this moment. In this moment, I'm just like, what are you talking about? But to your point, there's also the reality. Who was end game? changed every year based on the jobs people got. Yeah.

And because our bosses were short-sighted enough to not make Brian Greenberg one of the actual series regular leads of our show. Seasoned high paycheck, like just pay him. Yeah. He went, he literally left after this season. You know, Hillary wasn't joking, y'all. He went and did a movie with Uma Thurman and Merrill Streep. Yeah.

Merrill Streep was playing his mom. Hello? So, of course he went to do that. Why wouldn't he? He deserved that. But it really did disrupt the through line of our show. And I will say it again, you losing Greenberg, man, I lost Cooper.

And we were both robbed. We were robbed. Oh, my God. Yeah, there's a whole other reality that our show could have been. Yeah, I want to watch that other dimension. I want to watch one tree hill in the next dimension. Bizarro, Woodrow. Where those are the people we wound up with.

I want to see where the show goes. Do you think we have enough just like footage out there from the nine years that someone could splice something together and like make fan fiction of it? And make it look like we dated those people forever? I saw something once where someone spliced one tree hill was supernatural and made it look like I had dated Jensen's character and then got together with Jeffrey's character. And I was like, ooh, gross. But ew, weird. But someone out there was editing their brains out. and they were just like...

Wait, I love that as a project. Yes. Is there a way we could do like a contest around that? What do you mean? Like people could actually enter scenes like this. Like they could make the visual mood board and then someone could win something. I haven't thought it through. I'm just really excited.

There's enough footage of like Truco from other shows and of Greenberg from like all the rom-coms he's done that someone can edit us alternate universe. Yeah. Alternate O-T-H. But how would that work? It would just be for fun for us. No, it's just for fun.

Don't be so literal, Joy. Instead of it being master coverage coverage, which is how we shoot every scene, there's no master. It's just coverage coverage coverage, coverage, coverage. It makes it look like you're together. Fine. All right.

This was also the debut of Brian Greenberg singing on the show. I loved that little moment where he said to you, you got to watch out for those musicians. That was so cute. And then he gets up on stage and says, oh, you know, got my side. gig.

Yeah. Oh, it was fun hearing him sing. And Peyton didn't realize that he'd taken her there so he could sing to her. Ooh. Yeah, how did Peyton not know he was a musician? Like, well, she knew. I mean, he'd sung the Elliott Smith song and all those things. The baby Jenny.

But he, but this is the first time we see him in a band. Yeah. Like actually performing, not just like a hobby. Not in his house. Yeah, because you guys also had a lot of heavy stuff to be dealing with. Your entire storyline has been so fraught. So, you know, I think it makes sense. This is the first time.

He's like, oh, my life is lining up. a little bit. Here's what I really love to do. Sure was. God damn. So why didn't Peyton go to the College of Design in Savannah? Guys, it was such a simple solution. She didn't because Greenberg was off

kissing Uma Thurman. That's why Peyton didn't go to college. That's why Peyton went and worked at a record label in L.A. Yeah. Greenberg ruined college for Peyton Sawyer. I mean, really, Uma Thurman and Meryl Streep ruined college for Peyton. I blame him.

also blame umma sounds like a great band blame umma that was the name of jake's band in in this episode blame umma poor thing um to be clear we really do love umma thurman yeah it's a good joke we're not we need to say that you're i mean i don't know suddenly i get i'm like she's listening to the episode like you know one of those tabloids is going to be like the one tree hill girls attack umma thurman and it's like no go away attack like we found her on this street that's always what they say opens up about lashes out at and i'm like what are you all talking about we're sitting here with glasses of champagne laughing guys i think we have the same taste in men as umma thurman because right about the time

oh my gosh but right about the time we lost uh greenberg like the year after that she was shooting a rom-com with geoffrey and really yeah they did uh accidental husband together. And that was like the first thing I'd ever seen him in. And I was like, I already lost a dude to that chick. Interesting. Maybe blame Uma is the name of this episode.

We have so many good episode titles for today. We do. We might have to put them on shirts. Yeah, yeah. We'll just have like 37 titles for this one. This is going to be a long summary. You know like when bands go on tours in the back of the tour shirt is all the cities?

We can just have a back of a tour shirt with all the episode titles we've ever come up with. It's good. I actually really like it. Wait a second. Why not? Someone write that down. We're trying to come up with merch right now for you guys. And it's really been a chore because there's so many ideas and, you know, we want to make it cool and not something that you're going to not wear or use.

Something that we would wear and use, you know. So send us your ideas. It turns out it's actually very difficult to find good. merch guys we never knew merch yeah we thought we had plenty of time and now we're totally scrambling let's just sell our cheerleading uniforms you know i'm gonna i'm gonna love a shirts that have a cheerleading uniform you have your cheerleading uniform of course i do are you kidding me no are you going to wear it for villains night i wonder hey should get oh please you could fit into it you look amazing wait i don't mean that as a dick i'm just genuinely like oh man we were children yeah

I feel like my hips have grown, but we'll see. Stop. Okay, so this episode is airing October 16th. Our last tour date is October 19th in Philadelphia. We've got villains, Dan Scott, and Nanny Carey with us. And so I think we need to encourage everyone who's coming to that show to dress as your, you can be your favorite OTH character or your favorite villain. Oh, like, villain night.

Yeah. Oh, any character. We're going to have so much Comic-Con vibes. Oh, I would love it. Just all the cosplay. Halloween's my favorite time of you. I'm like, wait, should we dress up as ourselves on the show? Or, like, can we dress up as maleficent?

Joy and I want to do that so bad. I was Maleficent for Halloween. I made the wings. Do you remember? Yes, yes. I did. Maria and I made these wings out of like a cage. It was amazing.

Remember the last week we were like, we should do that. Yes. I want to do it. Wait, should we dress as other people? every single day of my life. I've got no boobs, no bra, slip dress, black and white hair. Dod.

I love it. I have a good crewella wig at home. I did a good crewella for Halloween a couple years ago. Oh, that's fun. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls

became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream.

Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We should talk about this villain because he did my favorite scene in this episode. Paul was so good in this episode. You really was. We had seen a little bit more of the turn. It was kind of sudden. Like after everything that he's been through, as much as we've walked through him,

I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you. Everything's fine, I'm better now. I'm not a psychopath. Wait, I actually still am a psychopath. There's been so much of that that it felt cheap that he was turning. It was like another turn.

Okay, now he's sorry. Paul pulled it off in terms of acting and making it believable because he was so sincere. And, you know, his eyes were he was teary. and clearly very emotional, but it's still, I wanted there to be a journey

through the episode of us understanding what caused that turn for real. I mean, him being kicked out of that game was humiliating. Him being, him knowing that humiliated before. Nathan, like initiating the restraining order. Yeah.

You can't blame Deb for that, you know? And it's the biggest night of Nathan's life and it's the success thing. And he sees Haley's there before, you know, everything he's tried to obstruct is now getting built as a wall against him. And, and so I think with narcissists, they do kind of, like, crack in that really fast way. It's like a, like where his voice catches in that scene. I don't know that he's expecting, because it's not manufactured, because it's not like,

all right, I'm going to go approach my son. I'm going to cry. I'm going to make him feel a certain way. And then I'm going to walk away. I think Dan Scott was surprised that he. he got emotional in that way so quickly. Yeah. I think you're right, actually, when you said narcissists, that's true.

Because they only can feel empathy when it affects them. Like, they can get emotional, but it's only because something that they care about is threatened. It doesn't have to do with how another person feels or what they're going through. So that makes sense. And when the perception of who they are that they've built is threatened, and I think powerful to watch the arc for Dan, that rage scene at the top of the, the episode of the house and in the driveway screaming at Nathan about how this will always be my house and all those things. And then when he goes to Nathan and Haley's apartment and he

listens to their conversation through the window and hears how good Haley is for Nathan. Yeah. Sees how supportive and loving their relationship is. Here's Nathan talk about how he just does not have the bandwidth to have a relationship with his father. And yeah, it sucks, but this is what it is. And then he goes in, to your point, has a plan, goes in as the mayor, goes to the game, knows what he's going to say to win everybody over because of all the information he collected today, he's had time to launch a plot. And then he gets escorted out by the cops. That's so embarrassing. And the whole house of cards falls.

I mean, him sitting in the car, breaking the fourth wall, looking at us. Why would, what in the world was that? For the people who didn't watch the episode, there's a shot of Dan Scott in like the side driver mirror. And he, he's listening to the radio. He looks often in the mirror, but then looks right into the lens of the camera.

And we're like, is he going to talk to us? Like, is he breaking the fourth wall? What was that? Yeah. I don't think he was looking in the lens. I think he was looking off to the side of the lens, but it looked like he was looking right in. And they should have adjusted.

It was weird. And by the way, just knowing, because we made the show all of us together, clearly the idea was that he's looking at himself and he sees himself alone outside in the dark, listening to the radio like it's, you know, 1939. And you know that they were like, ah, we kind of can't tell on the monitor. So look at yourself, look into mirror at the camera, look into the mirror, keep looking left, okay, hold that, okay? like they gave him and somebody in the edit

chose the one where he's looking at us straight down the barrel of the lens I was like wow that I mean if anybody's gonna break the fourth wall it would be Dan Scott Did anyone on our show ever break the fourth wall? Did we ever do you know? We used every other device in storytelling known to man

I mean I guess audibly that's what the narration is but no no not visually I can't imagine I can't too I can imagine them being like let's have a Ferris Bueller's day off episode Yeah, guys, what are we doing here? Yeah, a little bottle episode like that. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. You guys can put that into our alternate universe montage that you're out there creating for us. Just break the wall. What the hell have happened in this episode? I love seeing James, I mean, Nathan, sorry, fight for staying in when he had that scar. He got the wound from Damien. Damien West. Okay, Joy, talk about that.

Because you and this dude, I mean, he, He laid it on you pretty thick. He did. He was a nice guy. But he had to be so smarmy. And I remember being really, he just went for it with the way that he was, like, grabbing me and stuff, which I remember in the gym. Yeah. Which is fine.

And I don't remember whether I said, like, just go for it. Because that sounds like something I would say is like, don't worry about, you know, because he was polite and everything. I was like, it won't look real if you're faking it. Just come at me and I'll push you off. I mean, I'm smaller than you, you'll be able to handle it. You attacked him. I put up a pretty good fight. I'm pretty scrappy.

Yeah, but that was, it was funny. I liked how the first time we met him, he was so over the top. And both James and I were so nonplussed. Who's that guy? He's just a guy. We're out of here. But anyway, at the end, it was really cool to see the, interaction between Nathan and Whitey with him being like, no, just stitch me up and let me go back

out. We needed that. It was very sweet and human. And you could see everyone's priorities and relationships. Even the fact that Whitey, you know, looks at Coach K and goes, if his mother's mad, this was your idea. It's such a real thing. You know, that whole, that whole sequence at this at that game felt really special. Yeah. I loved the game. It was interesting to not have Lucas or Karen in the episode at all. But Nathan puts on Lucas's jersey, right?

It does. That was sweet. Yeah. But I was okay with it. I kind of liked, it was a bit of the soap opera tactic where you don't watch everybody's storyline every week. You kind of bounce back and forth. There's some episodes that people just aren't in.

And I liked it. I liked being able to really spend time with Peyton and Jake because this was largely you guys' episode. I mean, more than... No, it was Nathan's episode. This is Nathan's star. I would say it's between the two of you. Yeah, I mean, Nathan had the monologue,

but we hadn't gotten to really spend time with you and Jake like that in so long. I needed it as an audience member. I needed that. Just soaking that. So warm and fuzzy. So great. And it was so nice after so much heaviness

to see Peyton really be happy. Yeah. And Peyton is happy with Jake. And. And then she says, No. Do you want to get married? I lost it because these two are like,

oh my God, cute. And I'm like, what? Ew, gross. You're 17 years old. To be specific, Hillary said, kids. I mean, I remember thinking I was going to get married

at 17 years old. Like, I had this friend who was real bohemian and, like, made his own, like, sandals out of old tires and things. And I remember he, like, gave me a rubber band one night. And he was like, this year engaged at ring. Why don't we just get married? We could live on a boat. And I was like, okay. You know what?

Actually? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds hot. Never kissed that dude. Never dated him. I just thought, like, why not?

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Kids. kids. Oh, it was so sweet and earnest. Do you want to get married? Should we just do this? Also, wait, it's Anna from Frozen. Do you want to just get married? Oh, my God. Build a house and move away. I also, I was glad to get an answer so quickly because when you walked outside and sat on the porch in that scene, you just looked so upset. And for all you guys at home, the three of us were like, wait, what happened? Do we have? Do we have? we missed something? Why is Peyton upset? I didn't understand what was happening. Yeah. And you were like,

I don't even know. I did the scene. And we're all sitting here going, have we did the TV glitch? Like what? And then you asked and we went, ah, it's the nerves. Do you know, speaking to, okay, nerves. It's not until we just started talking about it, but I have this like visceral memory of the scene where we come in the house and it's like, it's not going to work. It's not going to work. And I closed the door to the bedroom and I'm like, I'll just see you tomorrow. And having to stand on the other side of the door from Greenberg and like wait for my cue to open the door because then I know that we're going to kiss right after that. I remember being so paranoid because I was wearing like a lower cut shirt and I could see my own heart beating in my chest

because I was so like nervous. And like it wasn't real but but my body was my body knew it was real. My body was like I'm going to close this door. I'm going to open this door. or it's so ross and rachel yeah i couldn't that's exactly what it was but yeah that sense memory yeah isn't that funny how your body can believe something that your mind knows is not true well that's the thing that's why so many actors are so screwed up would they all fall in love with each other because yeah i mean think about our show like you said it how many episodes ago when you were like oh everybody was kissing everybody like yeah yeah put a bunch of actors in a small town with nothing to do come on yeah but it's interesting because you realize you know if you have like a

really intensely emotional scene and you have to cry for eight hours and you wake up the next day and your whole body aches you feel like you've been run over like it's real for your body and it takes it takes so much work to process that stuff and god i you know it's like all the mental health awesome experts and like somatic teachers on instagram that i follow now i'm like man all the young actors today i'm so glad you guys have these resources we didn't know anything what is a somatic somatic teacher what's that word mean it's like um you know your whole parismpathetic nervous system has experience and like you can store trauma in the body you can store anxiety in the body so can you store love for jake jakelsky well i think we all store love for jakelsky in our bodies

can confirm but it's like we can confirm But it's like the way you talk about that reaction you have like to Ellie's jacket. Like that's in your body. And there's like work you can do with breathing and like stretching and processing. Tell about what happened to you in acupuncture. Oh my God. Do you want to tell? I don't know.

It's great. No, it is amazing. But it like it was just, it was so like intense and cool. But there's all that stuff that you can do to unlock and like process those. things out. And to paraphrase a story that I told these ladies last night, it was long, I saw this amazing acupuncturist who helped me, like, realign something in my body. And when I tell you guys that I, like, burst into tears and had memories from the summer that I think I was, like, 13 or 14. Oh, wow. Like, it was, I was sobbing. And I was just like, oh, my God. And this sweet little old man

looks to me and he goes, it happens all the time. It's okay. And I was like, okay, we just met. It's been 11 minutes but thank you I didn't know that that was in my body. This was a fruitful one hour session. I mean that's happened

to me on massage tables not to that extent but you know if somebody hits the right spot all of a sudden it releases something and I'm like why am I emotional right now?

I told you about the woman giving me a facial the other day that kept calling me darling and my sweet girl and she had to keep wiping my tears away I was just like

because our bodies are our tool right? Yeah. It's like I don't know how many professions there are where it's your body is like the thing you're selling, you know, that sounds terrible. No, but we're artists, like that's part of, it is weird.

And that's, it's why it was so scandalous for a woman to be on stage 400 years ago, because it was, it was like akin to prostitution, basically. You're selling your body for the sake of entertainment or something. Obviously, we've, we've advanced a lot in our understanding of what art is and, you know, what's worth, I think, worth telling a story of four. pro athletes eat measure train workout you know do PT all these things because their bodies are their tool but their bodies are not required to go through psychological experiments every day oh my god it is psychological experiment we put ourselves into the psychology of other people their trauma

their loss their love their addiction their whatever it is yeah and for your body it's yours yeah And so to begin to learn how to process that out, how to how to actually separate those things in your subconscious. Yeah. Like, you have to take it seriously. It's not, that's probably why I get so annoyed when I'm working on something and I see actors come on the set and they don't take it seriously and they don't care. And they're just like, I don't know my lines or whatever. It's always just fun. Like we're just doing this.

We're doing a TV show. Because you're like, you know what I'm doing in my body right now? Yes. To commit to this. Like I take this. I take art really seriously. Seriously. I take storytelling very seriously. It's meaningful. It changes people's lives. Not every job is going to change somebody's lives, but it's all building to different opportunities. And you never know when you're going to tell a story that's going to hit somebody in a certain way. And our show is a great case and point for that. So, yeah, I think it's really meaningful what artists do. And I take it seriously. And I, it's hard to, there's not a lot of resources for us psychologically as artists to know how to. to untangle ourselves from things like that.

It's weird. I remember doing a pilot once, and I had this sequence of like six or seven guys that my character was sleeping with. And it was, and there was a point to it. It was like, it was talking about kind of her life, and there was a little bit of like, oh, this is empty. I feel so like, oh, why do I just keep doing this over and over?

But the sequence, when we had to shoot it, it was. I mean, we shot it all in one. afternoon and it was like me just in pasties like slammed up against a wall and in a bed and up against a window with a different guy and then like all the different spots and it was fine everyone was professional it was very it was the as perfect of a of a safe environment as it could be but I got home and I felt gross and I took a shower and I cried and I was like my body feels like it just went through something and it's hard to know psychologically like to put that it really is yeah and i don't think and i don't think the answer is don't do it because

as i said i take art seriously and i think it's valuable but but i think that's why you know i'm really thrilled that we get to do this every week i'm really thrilled that we get to be alive in this moment where there's more accessible resources and more open conversations about this than ever because we didn't have any of this when we were 22. Did you imagine? It was helping us. When we were 22.

Hello? Well, we would have known the dumb shit. We had had a guidance counselor. Oh my gosh. I would have loved that. I just had a Freudian slip. I go, the dumb shit we shouldn't

we wouldn't have done. You know? Yeah. It's really. It's wild. And I wonder too, you know, we talk a lot. Like, I wonder if James's body

really did hurt. Because he had to do take after take after take after take of this basketball stuff. What you guys see is one of, you know, it's a fraction of what he actually had to do. Yeah, you see three to nine minutes of scenes and it took 18 hours. Those boys were on the court nonstop. That's what I was going to say, though, is I really wonder we talk a lot about, you know, how much fun it is to watch James in an episode like this, how much he's grown, his confidence, his strength, his just like raw ability. And I wonder how much his lifelong career as a basketball player

helped feed his embodiment as an actor. Because, like, he's so, you watch him in these scenes, he's so in his body. Yeah. He looks like a tree. He's like rooted. Oh, he does look like a tree. Does it he?

Yes. And I really, we'll have to ask him about that when. We got that hot shot of, like, Haley climbing him at the end of the game Oh, my God, you jump on it like a tree. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a kind of years.

you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we have a listener question from Shannon. She says, as people who play such strong, independent females on TV and are portrayed as such badasses. Hey, thank you, Shannon.

How do you carry that energy through to your personal life and do you ever feel like it's a lot to live up to or it becomes too much? I don't know. I think that we are pretty transparent about being messy. Yeah. Like, that's probably the most important part of it is not trying to portray something bulletproof. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that would be a huge disservice to women everywhere who listen to our show or girls that looked up to us as they were growing up. You have to be honest about how hard. it is to juggle all the things and you know nobody's perfect and i think it's really interesting to have uh in a way you know you shannon today the way you reflect appearance back at us because i wouldn't say that any of the three of us feel like we're you know independent strong badasses who just like carry it we're we're all going like we don't know what we're doing i'm pretty codependent yeah we call each other with a lot of tears We, like, I don't know, I feel like an emotional mush ball all the time.

And so I think it can be such a lesson to remember that you can, you can give things to people that you're not even aware of. I wonder how your friends think about you, how people who love you see you in ways that maybe you don't see yourself, but you need to. You know, you all remind us what we're capable of when the three of us are sitting here going, We have no idea what we're doing. That's right. And that, that's really a gift.

So thanks for that. I have nothing to add to that perfectly said. Wait, thank you. Nailed it. Thanks, Shannon. Nailed it. Well, you know, great questions. Forget great answers.

From Stacy, what do you think your character's shower song would be? What does that mean? Like the song you sing in the shower? Yeah, don't you think? Heyley's shower song. I know. I feel like it's, I think, if it's like, some rap song from the 80s or 90s.

Don't go chasing what a fun. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I feel like Brooks' shower song would be Hit Me With Your Best Shot. Yeah. Don't you? Yeah. I think Payton's is all by myself.

Do you want to be? Oh my God. It's so good. There's a Celine, a little Celine Dion. Oh, my God. A little Celine Dion. Joy, I'm going to need you to sing that song for me. Wait, will you please sing it on tour?

You know the bait and hits the high notes, man. Oh, wait, this is me. This is my best Shakira doing Selena. Oh my God, yes, yes, yes. Go, go, go. Oh, wait, it's that song? Oh, wait, I was going to do the other one. No, okay.

What is it? When I was young, I never needed anymore. Making love was just for fun. Those days are gone. Oh, by myself. want to be singing it girl oh my god oh my god oh my god you deserve champagne for joy oh my god i like that question okay joy that's my new ringtone by the way genius um okay do we have a wheel to spin we sure do

oh my well we're all going to shower so fucking funny can we sing that that in the bubble bath later as an homage. Oh. Who is most likely to? Go ahead, Hillary. Live in a zoo. Well, is that a real life thing? Of humans can do. Animals. Who's a panda? Barry. Is that somebody who would work in a zoo and live there as like a somebody who takes care of the animals? Like a gatekeeper? Oh. Well, who's responsible? It's not me. I mean, Hillary, you have a farm.

You kind of do live in a zoo. I do live in a petting zoo. Yeah, it's you. It's definitely you. God, how bad happened? I don't know. Like, when we were shooting the show, did you ever think in a million years?

That was the trajectory? The day that I got a video from you, inoculating llamas, I was like, this is my favorite jump for shark we've done. Yeah. Like, this is it. This is better than Dan,

some dog eating Dan's heart. Like, this is real. and I love it so much. Yeah, we just keep getting animals. I don't know. You should see me. You should see when I have to jump into the emu pasture because it's a velociraptor, right?

And it has these huge claws that want to take your bowels out. And when I have to go in and get the eggs, like the huge green eggs, I have to race her. And like, thank God no one's there to watch that because it's really embarrassing. You know what I feel like? You need to set up.

a camera. I want to see that. I'm like Luke Perry in that movie eight seconds. Just trying just hang on man. See, my brain immediately goes to how do we build you like a cage that you can be in the middle of like a shark cage? Like a shark

cage for an emu. But it's like a wide cylinder and it has handles and you get under it and you walk around in a cage and so if she comes up and wax the cage she can't get to you. Yeah, but you could walk and step right over the eggs and then drop the cage down and then pick the up and put it in your basket?

Well, the thing is, guys, I don't want anyone to know what a sissy I am because everyone else is like, just go get the egg, Hillary. And I'm like, that's a dinosaur. She's a bitch. She's so mean. She's so scary. Fine, I live in a zoo.

You know what? I got to say, I couldn't do it with an emu because of the size. I look at our chickens and I'm like, you are small, rude dinosaurs. Like they're so mean They look at you like they want to kill you

But they can't because they're tiny I have to be honest about this Like I loved them so much And then when they killed my favorite chicken When they did like their pecking order thing And they literally ripped Tilda Swinton apart The immediate flip Like it's visceral

And I look at them and I'm like You're not what I thought you were You're nothing like dogs You're not even anything like cats I don't trust you I don't know you, you're evil, and you're lucky I don't just open your freaking little pen and feed you to the coyotes. Like, Grant is like, are you okay about the chickens?

I'm like, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. That is so you because once you don't trust somebody anymore, they're dead to you. They're dead to me. They killed Tilly, and they might as well be dead to me. I take care of them. Don't get me wrong. I still give them treats every day, and I collect their stupid little eggs, but I'm

did I eat them I'm off I'm I'm off yeah you're lucky you're that side yeah sorry well now you can feel less guilty about dinner for the next I don't even want to eat them I hate him so much I don't even want to eat them they're murderers they're murderers all right guys that's our show I will not live in a zoo we blame umma do you have a chicken name umma no but I should yeah This is why we can't have nice things. You guys are the best. We're going to watch another episode of the show.

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