Drama Queens - Victoria’s Secrets with Daphne Zuniga

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

If you feel like One Tree Hill’s season 5 was just one big love fest and that the Queens had a role model and great friendships while filming then… you’d be right! Especially when it came to Daphne Zuniga.  Sophia, Hilarie and Joy welcome Daphne as they share so many stories we didn’t know about their time on the show and beyond.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh my gosh Listen Sophia you're in charge of this intro Because the rest of us are too intimidated She's here Wait did you just say intimidated Are you out of your mind? Daphne we're so happy that you're here I'm so happy to be here

Friends, Drama Queen's family listeners We are here to talk about season 5 episode 4 And we have none other than the icon Victoria Davis Daphne Zuniga with us. And we are finally to season Daphne. It has taken so long to get here. This is just what we've been waiting for the whole time.

We've just been waiting to get you. And you are such a champion because when we went on tour, we were like, listen, we're not there yet. But please come. We miss you so much. We've come to New York and you did. It was so fun. How are you? I'm good.

I'm doing well. You look fantastic. If you're going to do everything online in this world, it's nice to have a ring light. and filters and all that crap. You can figure it out. Where are you in the world right now? I'm in L.A. Yeah.

Let me guess. Nashville, upstate New York. Are you L.A. or are you London? Aren't you doing a play in London? I'm in London. You are already? Yeah. I think are we checking all time zones right now?

We've got our time zones covered. Ladies, we're international. Yeah. So Fia's a wine o'clock. You're probably still drinking coffee. It's 10 p.m. here. I'm having a glass of red wine. I have a green juice. I'm so boring. It's 3.49. Can I go get a glass of wine or is it a little? Yes, you can. Daphne, did you just hold up a matcha? No, I hold up a green juice.

A green juice. I've already had two coffees and I'm trying to cut down. So, green juice. Amazing. Yeah. Daphne, you are so iconic when you come into the show and you just hit it right away. There's no buildup. You're just like, here I am. I am in charge. The rest of you are minions work. And did you feel that? Like, as an actress, like you little dummies, want to see how it's done? Or like, how do you prepare your brain to come in like a tornado? Yeah.

All right. I've been thinking about this for so long. The truth is, no. The truth is, I remember being on the phone with discussing this character. and when he said, you're going to come in, you're the, you know, Sophia's mother, you're going to be running this fashion company. And, you know, I misheard him because I heard something like, you know, you're going to have lines like, you know, zero's not a size.

And somehow I turned around that I'm going to be this really supportive mother. She's like under all this pressure. And I thought, oh, that's great. And then I said, maybe I can say like, you know, honey, it's not what you look like. And there's silence. And then there's silence. And then he goes, no, you're the villain. You fire people because they're not skinny enough.

You, and I'm like, excuse me? And so I have to kind of really jump on board and say, oh, well, as long as someone's going to say zero is not a sign. Right, right. You know, that's like, but I get to play the villain in that whole story. at least the story is going to be ultimately positive for young women, right? So anyway, then I get on the set and I think my first day and my first scene was, so if we were in the limo with that guy, Johan, I think Johan, it was, what a sweetheart. He was one of the Knicks. His character was one of the Knicks.

And so I remember was nearby and I did. my line like get out you're not actually sleeping with her and i just remember he comes up and he's like yeah can you do it meaner so i had i had like it took some effort to yeah say these lines and literally to this daughter right and her friends who i knew that it was season five i knew i hadn't been around for years for this girl and but uh you know when like the job's on the line you just like muster up. And then I went and I feel like that's when I met you, Hillary. Yeah, yeah, because I got the full Victoria. I'm going. And I remember like being in the, um, being on set and joy, there was a scene in the studio, music studio. And I remember saying things like, okay, I was like,

okay, I got to stay here. And she's got to stay here. Then we got to go there. And I remember being in the makeup trailer and you know there's no cameras you're like but I'm saying it around to people you know like excuse me hello do I get any attention and stuff like that like to the makeup girls and they're like I'm like excuse me I may be number 12 on the call sheet but hello that I love that that requires so much vulnerability and trust of the people around you especially in environments when not everyone's going to understand exactly what you're doing people are freaked out by actors processes all the time. I know. I know. It wasn't fair. Joy, I have to say, because it's not like I was like, okay, I'm going to be must getting into this. Because this is a thing.

If you don't, I need to somehow stay in it and play in the environment because there's so much waiting and sitting around and that it's hard to go from zero to 60 when you have lines like, dear, you know, you can't do this. That's why I'm doing it. You haven't done anything. Like, And to all of you, every single one of you, it could have come across really fake. So I just, that's how I had to somehow. And I think I hugged you a lot in between. Probably not you, Hillary. I didn't know you well enough.

Can I just tell you, Daphne? I thought about this today when I knew you were coming on. You guys, I had to still fly to New York all the time for work. I was like still doing stuff at MTV every once in a while. And there was one bright and early morning where Daphne and I both got on the same little flight from Wilmington to New York and I hid because I was so scared of her and I didn't know I was like should I say hi I'm not going to say hi she doesn't want to talk but maybe she wants to talk to I look rude if I talked like I had no idea what to do and it was perfect because

I've done a lot of parent stuff on the show like I think out of all of our characters Chad and I probably had the most like parent work to do yeah and I know what it's like to be too buddy buddy with the person that's like playing your authority figure. And so it was good that I was terrified of you, Daphne, because I think all the stuff we have together has that real awkwardness that is like built into it. Because then, you know, once I left the show and we started going to conventions, you and I sat down at that restaurant in Paris and we were like, let's do this. Are you kidding? Let's get weird. We had some conversation I still think of that's great advice. I won't say it on it line, but it was great advice. But I, you know, also I have to say

that just aligns, you know, that we have Peyton, you know, when it's like, oh, well, you never had a mother. That's clear. All that evil stuff. I mean, to be honest, I didn't, because I didn't know you for some, I know I got to know, because I think you left for some point, right? So I got to know these two, but I just felt like there was something I was like, I'm just going to use this. Oh, I know what I was going to say. I also, you guys thought, oh, I'm going to be comfortable because I've worked for so long and I'm, you know, a parent, blah, blah, blah. But I was, you know, it's hard to come into a show that's been on for all those years.

You guys knew each other so well, the crew, everything. And so there was a kind of a new girl in town that I was also part. with Victoria. Like, I don't care if I'm the new girl in town. Get the fuck out of my. Sorry. Yeah. No, it's okay.

Well, you can cuss on our show. It's fine. But you know what, Daff? I will say, it was so, I mean, in my memory, clear to everyone that you were working. Like, you were focused and working, and it was cool to watch. Because, yeah, sure, you might go like, hello, can I get a little attention over here? But then you would laugh. And you would make everyone laugh.

And everyone was like, wait, she's doing. Like, it felt like being backstage at, like, S&L and watching the comedians, prep. You're going, oh, my God, she's doing a bit. And it's so funny. And it became, I don't know, it just became so fun for all of us to watch because we were so enamored with the fact

that you were going to come and join our show. We couldn't believe Daphne Zuniga was coming on our show. I was like, I finally get a mom and it's Daphne. I guess I was it was such a big deal and you did you humanized it and you made it funny and you're not wrong I mean you hugged me when the cameras weren't rolling all the time and I think the closeness you and I created so fast allowed us to kind of be riskier with each other as performers yeah I think so when you're working with someone who you're actually scared of it can really make you close up as an actor.

And when you feel safe, you get open. And I just, I remember how much fun I had with you, but I remember how much of a kind of relief it was as well to have someone of your caliber come in and, you know, care for us and tell us we weren't crazy and give us great advice. and like do all the things. You were there for the highest highs and the lowest lows. And we had a lot of highs together and it was so cool.

Yeah, well, I felt very naturally, I'm very young at heart. Like I'm very young in size. So I feel like closer to your age than I think I numerically am. We feel that though. You're the mother. You're the mother. had you ever played a mom before yeah I'd played moms but they were like you know

11 tops how did you justify as we you know we just watched the episode and you're I mean every single person that you meet you've got something to cut them down right just right below the knees and how did you justify I would love to know more because I've never asked you this but

I would love to know more more about Victoria and what kind of a character you crafted in backstory that you crafted for her, that you felt you could justify that behavior? Because you did it in such a way that was not caricature. It wasn't typical villainy. It was very grounded in human. And we still loved you anyway. And so I'm just fascinated. I'd love to know. Well, for the character, I had to say to myself, okay, what do I love more than anything? My career. Daphne and if I had gotten pregnant and had to give up my career, I just had to feel into that a lot and already my body gives chills. It's okay to get pregnant, you know, two of you have

children and, you know, but, but, and then be forced in that era maybe in that time, in that town to give up the career. Yeah. I mean, that's what I used. So I, decided that Victoria had she wanted to see the world she wanted to do you know she was a career woman she she was smart she was a smart woman and this town and ironically I could use the fact that when I was 15 we moved from the San Francisco Bay Area where I was going to ACT, American Conservatory Theater young conservatory I've been doing plays my friends were getting agents I already knew what I wanted and we moved to a tiny town in Vermont, New England, 500. Population 500, no theater apartment.

Yeah, it was like the Walton's. It was like the Walton's. Daphne, you were churning butter? I was like, where's John Boy? Like literally, there was a town hall, no sidewalks, one gas pump. Anyway, I thought I went crazy. I thought, oh my God, and I hated my mother. and I had to get a theater department started at my high school, which I did.

So I could use that very visceral. If you have something that you think is who you are and the only way you can live in this world and it's like your oxygen, like I've always had that with acting. I've never wanted anything else. And so if Victoria had that with seeing the world and proving yourself and being somebody and making money and doing like the men do, maybe she had a very tough dad, And then someone says, you're pregnant and no. No.

Well, this is the result of that. She's my no. And so the only way that Victoria can do life and, okay, I'm going to, and she probably took off. She wasn't around because she was seeing the world and she was doing her thing. And so that's joy to answer your question. When I would see Brooke, you know, it was like, well, let's do this together then. You know, I can have a child and we'll do this.

she kept and then she drags me back to this dump of a town and i'm like you're not going to do this to me twice are you kidding me and you patin and you whatever your name is with the bait you know like no it's not going to happen so it was more out of a desperation and then and i've also felt like she just very much of protection is she has to look down on people her clothes have to look good i am not you I'm out of here, I'm Madison Avenue, you know, San Ambrose. Like, I have nothing to do with you. Yeah. It's how she protects herself in the world.

And you know what I caught? Because we've been talking now for the last few episodes, you know, the last one we finally revealed that Victoria's Brooke's mom, I'm not going, yes, you are, mother, like, oh. And in this episode, knowing that there were going to be all these zingers at the party, and we did a full spit take when you said when Victoria says to Lucas oh you're one of my daughter's ill-begotten love interests we like died but what I was prepared for those I was so excited to see those the one I'd forgotten that really hit me for exactly the reasons you're sharing with us I could see all of this backstory on your face was when you said to me

after you're making it clear that you've designed this failure you've prepped for Houston. You've done the work to make sure I don't want to stay in this town. And you say beautiful things die in Tree Hill. Oh, that line. Yeah. Wow. Because it's personal. It's, it was your whole life. And all of what that, that sentiment is filled with is, you know, in a way now Brooks to carry for her mom and it it just makes their relationship

so clear with so little exposition and I thought it was phenomenal writing and I thought you acted it so beautifully it like it took my breath away yeah that the stakes

were that high and also so then add on that she has to walk this line because as you do say you know like you don't you don't have to go back. I can't force you to go back, right?

So then she has to think, well, I can't just drag her out of here. And these are her friends. And if she knows inside, they're going to win. And you're going to do what you want. So she has to make this thing happen behind the scenes, right? About bringing in all. She knows no one can buy these clothes. You know, you guys can, like, these people can maybe afford a cosmetic case.

We're 21. We even gasped when Haley, I said, I'm 21 in this episode. We were like, oh, my God. I was like, wait, what? 21? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Daphne, you did 40 episodes, 41 episodes of our show.

Did you ever get an apartment in Wilmington? Or were you flown out every time and stayed in a hotel for weeks at a time? Yeah, I was kind of like in and out. I was in and out a lot. Because I feel like there were stretches of time when you were there for a long time. Like, I think a month and then gone, yeah. It was like that. It was really funny in the first, in the very beginning, like this episode or the one bus before, you know, I went home in between, I think, this last couple episodes, but I didn't know I was going anywhere.

Yeah, I know. I remember the plane. Do you remember that my luggage? I literally had like two very heavy things. I mean, I had them for like, see, you know, all this shit. And I was like, and then Kelly calls me, okay, where do you want to go Thursday? You're done. and I'm like, where am I? What?

I thought I was staying. I thought I was staying at least longer than like, I don't know what it was, five days. Anyway, I learned. I could leave some of that at home and come and go. But I ended up, I think, later, Joy, staying longer at a time. Yeah. But, yeah. Okay.

In the beginning. So I didn't know where to stay. So this is what I go. They're like, where do you want to stay? I go, where are the producer staying? Yeah, exactly. So Victoria. I think they stay.

I think Joe stayed downtown in some that house. Anyway, he was like an apartment they all circled in and out of. Yeah. But I ended up staying in this place downtown. And I mean, I heard gunshots at night. There was partying every night. Probably you were there doing shots, Hillary. It was me.

Like the military guy. And I was like, okay, mental note. Don't want to stay here again. I was so scared. Did you end up at the beach? Yes. So then I went up to the beach and stayed there. And by accident, they gave me some beautiful suite with like a whirlpool bath and like two rooms.

And I was like, wow, they treat their actors so well here. This is nice. And then the next one I go, I go, oh, can I have the same room? And they're like, yeah, no, you're staying in this room. You made them stay. The baby room. Yeah. It may look different, but.

Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burnsage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people

are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. what were some of your favorite spots in wilmington where did you love to spend time the beach and um you know what i liked about wilmington was uh i had my little routine you probably did that that gym in may fair the oh two gym yes that's right i forgot about that oh my god i would do that sometimes i'd go to a movie right there uh i there's a place where i rented bikes and would ride out to the beach and do all that.

And downtown, of course, with you guys, deluxe. Oh, my God, deluxe. And just, I mean, I was like, the great thing about working with people that are younger. I mean, not younger, but like you guys and your age is that, you know, you have a long day and like, oh, let's go get a glass of wine downtown, you know? And it's like, nothing slowed you down. Like, normally I probably would say I'll stay in my room and, like, do microwave pot. popcorn and like, you know, sleep and be good. But I was like, no, let's go to Deluxe.

Yes, let's do it. Yeah. Let's go to Deluxe. Let's see Hank. Let's have him tell us what the specials are and get a great. Sweet Hank. A big, beautiful wooden bar. I think with like the being scared of you part of it,

it was really like rooted in wanting what you presented in these first couple episodes. Like we've talked extensively in the last, you know, couple episodes about how the end of season four went really sideways for me particularly and i i was witnessing this woman that came in and was hot and was really good at her job and really powerful and everything i had witnessed up until this point was our male bosses kind of um holding authority over women or putting them in uncomfortable positions and you came in no one was going to make you uncomfortable and like you were the boss yeah on set everyone was like deferring to you everyone was on their the best behavior we have ever seen with you and i wanted that i was like i don't know

how to get that but that's the goal and and i would love to know like as you were coming up in the industry how you started to put those puzzle pieces together of like this is how i'm going to conduct myself so that I am safe, I am professional, and I'm really fucking good. Great question. You know, to be honest, the only thing that brings that is time in this business. Because you get to a certain age where they know they can't control you. They know they can't play with you. And trust me, on this set, there was some of that.

And I would just be like, really? not like really because I can't believe you'd be like eh with me but like really like how old were you when I was getting when this was going on on my sets like you were so freaking young you were I couldn't believe that still I mean I did a show in the early 2000s and I was 40 and they wanted me in a bathing suit and I was like no I was 40 something and I was like when do I get to be when do you get to just be a woman you know like yeah and not and just not the visual and but it has to do with the power right and it has to do that has to do the age because the only thing and you guys are of the age you the only reason I could come in

like that is because I'd been around, they'd seen me and stuff, you know, I'd go to coffee with Joe with the producer, Joe DeVoli, you know, in the morning and we'd talk about therapy and stuff and a little bit. And then, you know, but I saw it, you guys. I mean, I saw what I saw, wasn't what you're, everything you experienced. But I was like, oh, okay. And I could feel it and see it and I you know just seeing you guys and getting to know you guys more but I wasn't aware of that when I first came on what I saw was you guys were the pros you guys were in this well-oiled machine I respected you I could see how old you were I didn't look at you didn't even dawn on me to look at you that way it looked at me like you guys have been holding down at a show and keeping

it on the air for five years that is not easy because I I'd been on other shows. They didn't, that didn't last that long. So that's how I saw you. And I was, I was surprised when I learned more. But, you know, I hope nowadays it's different, don't you, than for people, I think for the younger generation.

I hope those little girls are out there tweeting anytime someone's an asshole. You know what I mean? Like, we didn't have those tools. No. I hope these kids on set are like texting each other and DM in each other like, this is happening to you? Because we just didn't have the toolkit. And, you know, we didn't have phones when I was.

younger Hillary. So it's not that we had like, oh, let me show you this picture or this and that, which you have now, you have access. That's what I don't get. Literally when I was a kid in the 80s, there was like a, you know, my mother did my fan mail. Like you do, like you write away for a picture that somebody signed. There weren't Comic-Con. There weren't, there wasn't all this access.

Did you ever do a mall tour? I think it just was so if we went somewhere for on a mall. Yeah, we did. And Daphne and I did Macy's together in New York. That's right, Macy's. God, you had, that was the first time. It was honestly so chic. Yeah, but your fans, my God, I was blown away.

It sort of strikes me as something really interesting, though, that you're saying. And maybe because you said the word therapy, and then very quickly after you said, yeah, you guys just seemed to be holding down this show. And it took, you know, and before I found out, I thought you were all just like, these professional young people, literally the other night my third. therapist was like, it's really interesting that for being as sensitive as you are and how things can rock you and you know, you'll stay up for like three nights thinking about how to write about some injustice or how to talk about an issue. He goes, you just seem pretty unfazed all the

time. And I'm your therapist. Like, it's just me and you on the Zoom. You can be as emotional as you want and you seem pretty even killed. And I was like, I'm not, I'm never even killed. Everything is painful. What are you talking about? And he was like, where do you think you learn to compartmentalize like this? And I was like, oh, I'm my first job for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Like, I just learned to come to work and like, be good and do it and keep like, keep my personal to myself. Like just like, I was told like, check your bags of the door, young lady. And now I'm like, I don't know, man. I guess I'm, I guess I'm glad that I could like show up in a crisis and appear calm. And also if your therapist is like, why,

why don't you seem more upset when you're upset? I'm like, uh-oh. Because your baggage is held together with duct tape. Yeah, it's like all on the roof of the car. But that sof is a very needed ability in this business. And I think women,

hopefully young women and young boys, learn it fast because it's none of their business so much. And it's such a trick. thing, right? Because you're on set and everything gets, everything feels and becomes so personal and so intimate. And yet it's a business. You spend 18 hours together. I mean, they are your spouses, your partners. It's super intimate. And so it's super intimate. And so you're, you know, I mean, I just remember being younger and it's weird, you know, authority and being familiar and all of the rules get mixed up because you're all not only is it intimate and you're close and your 18

hours a day and all that but it's also you're all you're doing is revisiting your emotions you're recalling emotion so it's very tricky and anyway i just i just want to say for whatever your therapist said i also think it's you learned it you guys are all smart and you you have to like it doesn't mean you have to live there all the time but you have to bring up some kind of self preservation you have to in this business yeah well and by the way also in any business like your your office is not your therapist's office like you have to go to work and work everyone can't be expected to know the depths of your experience and not everyone deserves your story but I'm also like yeah I think it's an interesting thing to start analyzing where you where you balance and

I think to sort of bring it back to the beginning, that's why it was so inspiring for us when you showed up because we were like, whoa, she's so good at all this stuff. And she's really fun. Like, we have fun with Daphne every day. And then we go out to dinner. And also, she takes no shit from anyone. And like, wait a second. Like, it just, you opened up, but you opened up a whole other piece of the pie chart for us of uncharted territory. Like, oh, I can just speak my mind like that. Oh, that's amazing. There's been so many times in my life, in real life and in my work on set moments when I've thought, what would Daphne do? I swear to God, I really mean it because I really think like I've always been a little like if I don't need to say it. I don't. If there's a piece, you know, an easier way to. But sometimes you just need to say what you think. Like here's what it is. Here's what I'm thinking. Or if somebody's trying to mess with you to just be like, really?

just saying it why can't what's so hard about saying that just call them out they're trying to mess with you why should they be made to feel comfortable for doing something that's inappropriate yeah it doesn't make any sense and and just seeing an example of a woman who is so successful and strong and fabulous and talented and smart be able to do that just really lit me up it was really exciting well yeah I'm so glad I'm so glad to hear you say that I I think in this arena I think I it had to do with experience. You know, like I did experience a lot. I was how old 50 when I came to you guys, I think, or something.

You look like you're 30 in the show, Daphne. We were all just like, oh, my God. She's so gorgeous. Maybe, no, I was mid-40s. I think it was mid-40s, but yeah, those clothes. Did you love them? This episode was the St. John. So I, for some reason, they were, we were in touch and they were,

sending me things. And I was like, oh, yeah, it's totally Victoria. And then later she started to, I don't know, branch out from that, some Armani type suits and stuff. It was, the wardrobe was so great in this damn show. So good. Oh, so good. Carol Cuttschall. And what was so much fun was to watch you look so amazing because we were laughing. Like, why were we all wearing capri pants and suit shorts? Like, I was wearing suit shorts. They were made of suit material. But they were short shorts. It was such a terrible era. terrible and like belts over long shirt dresses cinched all tight i don't know it's all wrong oh yeah yoi it wasn't good and yet there there was something about it that worked because we did

we looked like little kids and then you came in in these outfits and it was you were breathtaking and your posture and your poise and the way you'd walk in a room look around and then narrow your eyes at your target i was like i want her to yell at me just so i can be close to her yeah oh that's so funny yeah yeah i just uh i remember like watching this episode i uh i thought that was fun and yet i also as i'm watching it and remembering i get to play more coming up do you know mean like i just loved working like i loved working with lisa goldstein and just even though my character hated Millicent. I just loved.

We had so much fun. I loved Lisa so much. And I was so excited to really, you know, see her in Tree Hill for the first time in this episode. And then we got Kate Vogel. And it was like, come on. It was such an embarrassment of riches with the three of you and Michaela coming in. It was like, they just got so lucky. You know what?

It went for being a show about boys basketball to being a show about women. like this was the season where they're just like we're going to triple the female cast members we're not going to make the hair and makeup trailer any bigger and we're not going to hire more people but we're going to have hair on this show

y'all are going to look good so much great hair funny it was so great it may look different but native culture is very alive my name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage Burn Bridges we aim to explore that culture

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first native comic. or the importance of reservation basketball every day native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream listen to burn sageburn bridges on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you

get your podcasts we have we have a bunch of fan questions for you here if we can throw The internet has been dying to ask you questions. All right. Let's see if I can remember. I want to ask the first one. I want to ask the first one. I've been dying to ask you this all day. It is not actually from me.

It's from Sophie with an S-O-P-H-I-E. I would have asked you anyway, but anyway. I don't know why I feel awkward. I'm so excited. Okay. How do you feel about the drama queens comparing your kids? comparing your character to Chris Jenner. Oh, I did hear that on your show.

I was actually, if anyone wants to make a meme, I'd love it. I think Victoria and a St. John's are actually probably any of her suits, but like, I think that would be great. Like, you know, how it started, not how it started how it's going, but like sisters, I don't know, separate it at birth, something like that. Yeah, yes. Dude, Brooke Davis goes out to L.A. during the summer, like, in high school. Like, what if she's a cousin of the Kardashians? What if that's the alternate universe where Victoria is like a relative of Chris Jenner? Or the villain. Like, what's the, what's it called? You're an arch nemesis. Your frenemy. Yeah. You're just your frenemy. Yes. Watching the show and us realizing that Victoria feels like a Chris Jenner blueprint, I was like, was Chris Jenner? one Treyhole fan. Is she taking lessons from this moment?

Like, what's going on here? Because, you know, we made these episodes a long time ago. I think before that show premiered, all I'm saying is, you know, you might be entitled to a percentage of an empire. That's really funny because, like, later on, when Victoria gets a young lover and all that, it kind of, I mean, I've taken a lover. She has some great lines. Taking notes.

That's so good. I love it, you know. It like puts Victoria in the real world somewhere, the fact that they're, you know, comparing them. It gives me a real, oh, yeah, okay, all right. It's working. It works. It's working. I like this one. Okay, what was, Liv asks, what was your first non-acting job? Oh. My first non-acting job was in that little town that I moved to. I worked in the general store. for $2.70 an hour at the cash register. Oh, my God. Before that, I had a job in a deli. Okay, you guys, remember I told you, I went to ACT American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco, on Gehry Street, right next to the big theaters. You know, Denzel Washington went there, Annette Benning.

I mean, I was just like, wow, I'm in the young conservatory. So I got a job next door at David's Deli. It's a famous deli. And I'm like, okay, I'll make sandwiches. So the guy hires me, I promptly get sent down to the basement, like down these wooden stairs. And I'm, and I'm slicing pastrami and corned beef for like weeks. I'm dreaming of corned beef. No wonder I'm a vegetarian, corned beef.

And then I say, can I come upstairs and make sandwiches? And he's like, you don't like it down there? Okay, we bring you upstairs. He brings me upstairs and puts me in the best. back kitchen where I'm like peeling hard-boiled eggs for their eggs salad sandwich. Anyway, the whole summer gone and this is what I'm doing and I never made a sandwich. Never made one sandwich. So I, you know what I was doing as I was doing that, you guys? I said, okay, Lawrence Olivier says use it. Use it all. Use it for your craft. So I was just

there. I'm going to use this. I'm going to use this. I didn't know what I'd use it for, but I was going to use it. How have you used it? Yeah, what job did you use the sandwich place on? I mean, probably some of Victoria. I mean, I don't know. You just have to, I don't know. I just remember being like 14 and going, I'm going to use it. That's what a professional would do.

Why do I feel like when Victoria is icing Peyton and she delivers the first gut punch of calling her a loser and then tells her she's a parasitic friend, she was picturing her working in a sandwich shop Wilmington Meanwhile Payton's like What's wrong with sandwiches? Like sandwiches are delicious Yeah

Okay we have a question from Darla She says how did your experience On Melrose Shape how you worked on one tree hill Because that's what was so exciting for us Like you were a very recognizable person to us And it was You know we were so isolated down there

That having someone who understood the experience and had lived it that we got to watch. That was so cool. Yeah. Well, it was very, it was similar, you guys. I mean, you're, I was watching it again. I just go, this is really a small town soap opera. You're an ensemble.

I mean, my God, there's so much going on, the drama. Same with Melrose. So what was similar was that it was ensemble and it was, you know, every day kind of the same people. So the drama has to switch it up between each other. And, you know, I noticed in this episode that I was not the only, like, real jerk in it. Quinn was a jerk, Lee's parents, mother, sorry, not parent, not mother, boss. Lee's boss was a real jerk.

Yeah. Kevin Federline was a real jerk. Like, everyone, these really mean people that, you know, they have to bring in for the drama so that the regulars have to deal with all this, you know, conflict. that was similar. There was always conflict on Melrose. And, you know, that's what was very familiar. The ensemble, so you're all behind the scenes. And you guys, because it was a small town, I hung out with you guys. I mean, I'm sure I was, like, calling you and it's like, what are we going to do this weekend? What are we going to do this weekend? Because I was like, you're in town. I was like, like, you got, where are you going? What's going on? We didn't do that in Melrose because we shot here in L.A. And so, you know, everyone kind of just went, home but um i'm sorry if i did bother you all the time hang her on her oh you weren't oh my gosh we were anytime you ever called to hang out we were like definitely you want to hang out with this is so cool i'm in another country and all i would like is to be quote bothered by you literally anywhere in the world please more okay jillian asks a question that i love this one

also want to know the right it's so good she said victoria had so many iconic nicknames ice queen bar hag bitch toria do you daphne have a favorite well there was bitch toria and then what was the horia one which horia which horia which horia was that when she took a was that when she took a lover there was a horia yeah i think bitch toria is kind of like the classic i didn't know there was bar hag thank you very much though i didn't either honestly until jillian asked I was like, I was like, really? But yeah, bitch Toria feels like the top

of a very iconic pyramid. Yeah, yeah. Have people made merch with that name on it? Like, we need sweatshirts with bitch Toria on there. Yes. Let's do it. Daphne, just open up a little e-commerce page, Shopify. Just like, Daphne's going to go.

Link and bio. Oh, my God, I'm obsessed. So what about that drink where that um he shrew the shrew drink at the bar in trick oh i have vague recollections of this what's this drink he goes what episode was that it's coming up it's it's owen right joe mangenello makes a drink named after you oh old shrew yeah it's like a like mean old shrew or something you'll see when you get there i may have watched god i have physical memory of that that's crazy you do I hadn't thought about it since we filmed it, but you saying it, I was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah. I think I like Victoria the best. And I have to tell you a funny story. Then we'll get to the next one if there is one. But this little girl came up to me once. And she said, my mom says you're on TV. And I go, yeah. She says you were Victoria on Winchie Hill.

And I go, yeah. I don't believe you She goes say something And I just looked at her And I insult I said okay Daphne Are you going to do this? She's like you're 12

And the mom was shy in the background And I looked at the mother and I went You asked for it And I just like I said something I just insulted her so badly And she just stood there went And she walked off

And I was like Don't do that people I have to prove to you that That's it's like Those are problems that Paul had too Which leads us into the next question People Hold on where is that person who asked this question

They compared you to Dan Scott They were like you're the female Dan Scott Do you feel that Victoria was Like the female Dan Scott Okay Daphne I would Daphne thinks I'll do a Chris Keller here right Yeah

Third person And Daphne thinks, yeah, third person, that, yes, I see, I see the, I see the similarities in some of the storyline. I mean, both in prison, both, you know, older, maybe toss back some, you know, definitely self-righteous, narcissistic tendencies. Wait, I'm sorry, go back. Does Victoria go to prison? Yes. What? Yeah.

What season? You'll get there. I have my own, can I have my own, like, bitch? like a girl comes up and goes what do you need you know yes yeah she finds like a prison millicent yes totally oh it's a great it's great i'm there in an orange outfit and i was and we try to like make it look fashionable like victoria's so good this is the best piece of information i got today was that happening the same time martha stewart went to prison was that sort of the inspiration of like Send

Victoria Tray Sheik Yeah Yeah for like white color crime I feel like it was Now I'm gonna The second half of the answer

is that Victoria feels so far above Dan so far above like night and day do you mean

she just I feel like she just she's more like the Martha Stewart okay some innocent number crunching

not like this guy who's a psychopath kind of thing but I would have loved it if we had like you know what I mean like a War the Rosie type of thing I wish that was such a missed opportunity oh it would have been so

we complained that Dan didn't have any love interests outside of you know his high school girlfriend as a college girlfriend like Dan Scott trying to hit on Victoria is what I want to watch all day

I know that would have have been so fun. Just to get rejected by Victoria. It would have been so delicious. Mm-hmm. Which she would have, although she may have had a little fun with him first if she were feeling how she needed it.

And then she would have rejected him. Who knows? Yeah. But I feel like you would have given him some withering line, much like you did to everyone in this episode. God, I loved it. And it just would have been so much fun to watch. I feel like there's a TV series version.

version of War of the Roses that needs to happen with you and Paul. Yeah. I got to put that in the works. I have a line coming to me. She would have said something like, and there's a play on the concept here, but she would have said something like, looked him up and down and said, you probably think you're like the Marlboro Man, don't you? He did think he was twirvy.

Wasn't he the Marlboro Man at one point? Probably he was the Coke guy. Oh, the Coke guy. something like that that he yeah absolutely but she was always thinking in ads and in selling and marketing i love that um okay daphne we had a request from our fan base that we spend time with our guests but then actually discuss the episode so are you willing to stick around so we can do a second episode where we just talk about episode 504 where victoria lays us all out Let's do it.

Let's do it. Well, friends, we will be back with part two of 504 with Daphne Zuniga, who is our queen in a minute. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's OTH. Or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl.

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