Drama Queens - You Are Not Alone • EP 722

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

It's the Season 7 finale and the Queens are reminiscing on their trip to the snow! Joy recaps working face to face with an owl, Sophia recalls filming Julian's proposal to Brooke and why the location added so much to it, and everyone wonders whatever did happen to Skills coat?   Plus, all the Drama Queens share a look into their personal lives at the time, and what was really going on with each of them behind the scenes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, hey, season seven, episode 22. Guys, we're at the end of season seven. We made it, and I'm also, this made me very emotional. Yeah, yeah, this is a big episode. Huge. Oh, my gosh. I'm curious to know what the fans take on it was because I, like you, had such happy nostalgia watching it. And I so I really enjoyed the heck out of the episode.

And it is a good episode, but I couldn't tell if it was because I just remembered how fond, like, I've such fond memory. of us doing that trip out to Utah. It was a fun. It was. Okay. I'm going to read us the synopsis so we can jump in because clearly we all have so much to say. Friends and listeners,

this is almost everything I wish I'd said the last time I saw you. It originally aired May 17th, 2010, and the show, God, a lot happens. Haley tries to overcome her depression by joining Nathan, Jamie, and the rest of the gang on a trip to Utah

for the premiere of Julian's film at Sundance. This is nostalgia city. You said exactly the right word, Rob, and like, oh man, I do think it's so nice. I'm just going to go ahead and say selfishly that I'm so thrilled that we all get to be together for this episode, given the fact that we've all been living on airplanes and like, it's been hard to all get on the show recently. And I'm really glad we get to be together for this one.

Does that perhaps inspire anything you'd like to say, Rob? I mean, listen, I'd be remiss if I didn't say I've noticed there's a lot of chatter about how the three of us can't be on the podcast at the same time. And let me just say this, gang. Here's why. Here's why. It's so stupid. Sorry, you guys aren't stupid, but the chatter is stupid.

Listen, and I, I, it's noise. It's in the comments. I'm just, but I do want to address it because I feel like it's a lot of people shouting into a vacuum. and it can be cleared up quite easily. There are three of us. One of us has a New York Times bestseller and is currently promoting it all over the world. Yes, she does.

Another one of us is appearing on a series, has like about a trillion other projects going on, and is very busy. And the third one of us is me. So here's the deal, gang. We try our best to all be on at the same time because believe me when I say, it is easier and more fun when all three of us are here.

But lately, life's been, busy, life's been good, and it's just been challenging to coordinate our schedules. But here's the good news. Today you got all three of us. There is no drama. Squash it. Save the drama for your mom. There is none. And we're going to have some fun. But Rob, don't you understand that people think everything that happens online is all that's happening in people's lives and that strangers know more about our lives than we do? This is true. Also, you know, we are called the drama queens. So it's kind of appropriate that people are stirring the drama pot in the comment section.

Because literally, like, what is a comment section for? Either tagging your friends in a funny post they need to see or stirring the pot. Yeah, talking about what you're thinking about, what's making you unhappy. No one ever goes, by the way, no one ever goes to a comment section to feel better. The only time I ever go to a comment section is either when I want to see someone roasted or because I'm livid and I need to see what everyone else is thinking. I love that. You know what I will say?

Speaking of a show that was very high drama, something I really appreciated, just because I've never really experienced it before, the last Gray's episode that I was shooting, my days overlapped with the amazing episode that y'all did, with Lindsay and Chantal coming in to talk about the loss of Mrs. James. And I was like,

there's no way they're going to be able to, like, let me offset to go jump into this podcast, but it's definitely not going to happen if I don't ask. And so when I got to set that day, I was like, hey, we've been trying to move this around and we're working around everybody's schedules, yada, yada, you know the whole spiel. I give too much information to the first AD. And they were like, oh, we totally get it.

Camilla and Jessica have a podcast. And I was like, yeah, I know, I'm about to go on it. And they were like, we do this all the time. Let us try to hustle and we'll figure it out. And Joy, thankfully, it was like side texting me being like, okay, we're at this part. Okay, if you can make it in now, we're at this part. And I got on the Zoom, and Hannah, our producer, was like, no, I see you because it's still live, but we just got off like six minutes before. So I sadly missed the episode, but it's like, for the fans, that's literally how hard we work to try to be here for all of you.

Yeah, we're really trying. All the time. That was the most depressing text. We like all signed off. Everything was fine. And then you were like, I'm ready. I'm coming there. I'm running to base camp.

And you were like, oh, no. We've all wept together and it's over. Any who, this episode feels like a way out of the weeping. Yes. So I had the distinct pleasure during this episode of watching it with a One Tree Hill fan. For fans out there, for anybody out there who has read my book, there's a character in my book, Danielle, who was a One Tree Hill fan that also got involved in the cult because of me and also became someone who got. who, like, helped get a bunch of people, including me, out of it. Like, you can't write this.

One Tree Hill fan, like, rescues girl from Colt. It does sound like a storyline from our show. It does. It does. So she was driving through town and texted and said, hey, are you around? And so she spent the night in my guest suite upstairs. And we woke up this morning and have been watching these two episodes together, which is really fun because she's such a, she's seen the series so many times and is such a super fan.

Um, and, uh, so it was fun to watch and get, you know, you're just saying, I wonder what the fans thought of this episode because it was so out of time. It was out of, well, it wasn't out of time, but it was out of, well, some of it was, I guess, Klanquent. Anyway, um, it was, it was out of our norm. Yeah. Um, and it was fun to watch with her. And she had a, she had quite a commentary. I wish I had run a tape recorder. You would have, you would have enjoyed that. I was about to say, that's a voice memo. I would love to hear. Yeah. I wonder if it was odd for her. Why? Watching the show with you and there being moments where you were probably surprised because something happened, you forgot. And she is witnessing you who was in the show not remembering it. Meanwhile, she knows all of it. Oh, yeah. Well, she started off the whole thing by saying, oh, wait, I can't tell you that until the next. Is it the next episode? Yeah, you're thinking of episode 80.

I know you are. Never mind. I watched it back to back. I won't say it. Peek behind the curtain, everybody. We are recording episodes 722 and 801 today. So we'll do our best to not have them bleed into one another. But we got two episodes on the brain.

But she knew she was just jumping ahead. She's like, well, yeah, because blah, blah, blah happens. And I was like, stop telling me. I don't know what's going to happen. And she's looking at me like, you were on the show. How do you not know what's going to happen? But I love that. I think I purposely put my head in the sand.

I didn't want to know because I would like to be surprised. And then I didn't retain the information. But I love this episode. I think that also harkens, though, to the thing for us of when, you when you do something for, you know, conservatively 35,000 hours of your life, and then it makes 187 hours of a product, like, of course our memories are blurrier in 35,000 hours than they are for the folks who saw the nice tight 187 with a perfect soundtrack. Speaking of a perfect soundtrack, the music in 722, my God, they were crushing. And what I loved so much is that

they gave you this really beautiful opening where you see the kind of cognitive dissonance of a joyful life and the experience of depression and that through this sort of sinking moment in the water for Haley, you're seeing her whole life. And Mumford and Sons is singing, You are not alone in this. And they were just coming up. That was before Mumford was really who they are. Yeah. But it just, it hit me so. so hard. It made me want to sob. And then the reversal of Nathan going into the water, you know, years and years before after Lucas and you screaming, help me. And then Nathan jumping in the water to get you. I was like, I'm sorry, but this is, this is a really excellent

moment for our writing. Well done. It was beautiful. Is there, off the top of your head, is there a show with better music than One Tree Hill? Because it is really consistent at a very high level. You know what I will say? The first show I have seen, and I love music in general, I think a score makes a movie or a series, the first music that I've experienced watching a show where I've gone, oh, this feels familiar, is the soundtrack to Nobody Wants This, to Adam Brody and Kristen Bell's show. It is, it's in like full nostalgia city, and there's something about it that reminds me of the way that we used music on our show. And maybe it's just this. perfect millennial experience of like the iconic backing to the big moments of your life.

I don't know. I wonder if that's really generational for us in particular. I can't think of any other shows. Certainly not when we were on the air. I mean, we cornered the market on that. You came to our show to be able to jump into a CODA and experience the emotion of and hear music that you, because it was, we were transitioning out of the MySpace. Napster world and into the new world of streaming. This was all happening over the course of the 10

years of our series. So people were still coming to our show to hear new music. And Lindsay was out, Lindsay Wolfington was out there hunting it all down, going to see live bands, going to listening to random CDs, getting sent CDs from people she didn't know. I mean, I think we've made and broke a lot of musicians on our show because of that. Yeah. She crushed it. I mean, I mean, uncanny how many people she found on the come-up and just Lindsay Wolfington. We really need to have her on this show before we really do. We wrap up, yeah. Her hit rate's insane.

And by the way, to give her some of her flowers, I remember one of the episodes that I directed going out to L.A. to cut, you know, to do the edit for a few days. And I brought Jenny out with me because Jenny thought she might want to be a music supervisor. and we went and had lunch with Lindsay Wilfington while we were putting the show together. And to your point, going through these stacks of CDs and looking at the way that she saw it, it was very much like watching a choreographer

plan choreography. Like it was physical and watching her, I could see that she was looking at the shape of an episode and what music would fit that space. And I don't know, she's truly like a total genius because it's so much more than just dropping in a song that feels good in the moment you want to create like what you're saying create an arc that will have callbacks at the end of the episode or other moments that mirror what some characters are going through with different characters and feeling like you're bringing back the same vibe even though you may not use the same song twice i mean the whole energy of a scene can change she you know You know, there's so much control in the hands of the music supervisor to be able to tell the audience how they're supposed to feel. I will say during that opening code of with Haley's Underwater and we're seeing all of these, like, sweet flashbacks, it made me realize just how much of the show I haven't seen.

Like, there is so much one tree hill that I am completely unaware of. So, you know, maybe Drama Queen's 2.0 is just us. We're doing it for my sake, everybody. Honestly, please. I want just you. I want the live stream commentary, like when we used to have to do episode commentary and record it live. I want live stream commentary of Rob doing the top 10 hit episodes from the first six seasons.

I want it so bad. We need Rob and Tyler doing that together. That's what I need to see. Oh, my God. Speaking of musical geniuses, that guy, he scored his wife Megan's film, and he was over at our house the other day and he was like, oh, do you mind if I just play this really quick? It's like the temp tracks.

He is so talented. The scores were gorgeous and it's one of those things. Like I have, if I really want to like boggle my mind, I think about how a vinyl record works because truly it is magic. I have no idea how a piece of plastic in a needle traps someone's voice from a different era.

Either. It's witchcraft, right? Listening to his music, I was like, how did you know? And he was like, oh, on this one, I just, it was so funny. One point he goes, I thought this one could use, what did he say? Like a flute. But I didn't know how to play a flute.

So I went out and bought one and taught myself. I'm like, so the flute on the track is you? And he said, yeah. I said, like, who just goes? Oh, yeah, I think it could use. It was just like, again, different skill set. I am, it's all Latin to me. But like, you're, it's beautiful sorcery, Tyler.

It's incredible. Kudos. It's incredible. Have you seen it? Have you seen my old ass? No, I'm dying to. You guys. Oh my God. I mean, the fallout obviously was so brilliant. It took the world by storm. To see Megan go from making this film about the experience of a teenager who survives a school shooting to then going to make this on the precipice of change, going to college, what's it going to be like? How do I push myself out of the nest? Like, coming of age story. that is so joyful and so tender. She's my hero.

In the same way Tyler makes music, I'm like, Megan, how did you, how do you just make worlds? You know, like, we step into worlds and we become a part of them, but she makes a whole world. I'm amazed. I'm amazed by all of our friends. Yeah, I want to see that. Hollywood's got a new power couple on the way. But let's get back to 722. Okay, so the first thing I noticed, a little peek behind the curtain again for everybody.

Joy, was your therapist played by none other than our sweet, sweet producer Greg Prange? I didn't see a therapist. I thought it was just on me over his shoulder. We never shoot. Yeah, we shoot over his shoulder, but it's Greg's silver hair. And that is certainly Greg's voice. Probably. Yeah, probably was.

I thought so, too. I might have been listening to some commentary at the moment. I didn't know. But, yeah, I was looking at my shoes because everybody keeps writing in about shoes on the couch. And I was sitting there with my boots on the therapist's white couch. I'm insecure about it. You're like, why did I do that for so long? Yeah, I'm sure it was great. That makes sense.

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alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I really liked, you know, especially because we talked about this before, you know, Rob, this is in the land of things you haven't seen. But Nathan went through a pretty dark time, culminating in like a really scary car accident. We obviously had lots of those. There was a lot of crying for help he was doing as a young kid, as a teen, and it felt like it didn't really get taken very seriously. Yeah. And when we were watching those episodes, Hillary had pointed out that as the mom of a teenage boy, if her son was talking that way, like he'd go to therapy immediately. Yeah. And we just didn't have that language then. And so I made a note that it's

It's so cool that we did this role reversal where, you know, Nathan goes to save Lucas and Haley's screaming. And then out of Haley screaming, Nathan saves Haley. And I wrote, and it's so nice to actually see her go to therapy. Yes. That's right. She's been holding everything up for everybody else and finally just collapsed into it. Like, why am I doing this? What about me? Yeah. Well, and also, it's not selfish to take care of yourself. It's actually. the most important thing you can do. Yeah. And it was so nice.

Yeah, I think in some ways to be in a position where you're just taking care of everybody else all the time can, it can just be masking. And clearly I think that's what Haley was doing. Yeah. Sure, because if you keep yourself busy with everyone else outside of you, you never have to really deal with what's going on inside you. Yeah. I think there was a really cool theme of reconnection in this episode.

I would say, like, there was two themes. It was, first one was fun because this episode was just so much fun. Up until that last little, little sceney poo. Yeah. But it was fun, and I would say reconnection. Because, you know, we see, and it begins, it's like Haley reconnecting with herself. She's actually going inwards and she's doing the work. And it's Haley reconnecting with Jamie and with Nathan.

And we see mouth reconnecting with skills. And then we just see all of the friends, like. Brooke and Julian are reconnecting too. They've been like really diving into that. That one kind of started a little bit ago, but they are like fully in the throes of it in a great way. And then even just, I think my favorite shot might have been it's a random throwaway like piece of a scene where it's it's the four boys. I think it's like I think it's skills, I don't know, skills mouth. Jillian, me, Chase maybe.

It's when we're out in the snow and we are just running and jumping and falling into the snow. Yes. Yes. And never has a group of grown men looked more like little boys. Never. So great. It was like you could see all of our inner. Like, I don't even know if it was something that the director had, like, instructed us to do.

Because if you just look, we are like just flailing about and throwing our selves in the snow and giggling. Purely. It's like they just rolled the cameras and said, go. And you guys are like, sweet. Yeah. Let's go. It's almost like because Jackson leaps into the snow, you all decide to follow. which is sort of perfect because this little boy does something

and then suddenly all these very tall grown men look like little boys and it made me laugh I wrote bunny leaps because you guys are like hopping and I thought you were going to fall into like a snow drift there's no drift it's just the ground you all just hit the ground I was screaming laughing it was so innocent and sweet oh I loved that I really

really loved that trip and it was it was bittersweet i mean i there was there were parts of it where i when i was watching haley watching you guys at the window that's a lot of how i was feeling in my own real life with everybody and so there were parts of that trip that felt like when i'm looking back i'm like man i wish i had been in a different place in my life to be able to really enjoy it with everybody. But I remember when we walked into that house, that enormous, I mean, I don't even want to call it a house. It was a, it was like a resort. And I had one moment, you guys were off filming something. And I remember walking around. It was a big empty house. And we had rented it out for filming. But I think it was.

for sale maybe and I had a very, very genuine moment in my life where I thought what would happen if I just didn't go home? Like I just made a bed and breakfast and I stayed here and I just went to North Carolina to shoot forever

but like I guess I could keep filming but like what if I just never went back to where I live? Just stay here. It felt so tangible and I always feel like that when I think of Park City because it was so magical. I had not spent a lot of time in wintry ski resort environments.

Had you guys in life? Is it something that you were used to? It felt so magical to me. I started doing these like really special snow trips every President's Day weekend with a core group of my best friends when, yeah, probably when I was like 28, so right around this time. Yeah. Yeah, the snow getaway. I mean, we obviously weren't staying in, you know, for sale, multi-million dollar mansions. We were like cramming into little ski hostel places, but same, same, ish. There's something about that cold adventure, comeback, fire, like, cup of ramen thing that is so special. And, you know, it's interesting you say that, Joy. I made my notes for the show. And then there's something I think about what everyone's been probably. together in our little family group over the last couple of years. There were just all these things I could see in this episode that I didn't know at the time that I know now that gave me that same kind of feeling where I was like, wow, I wish we all hadn't been under so much pressure to like just come to work and be professional

because in a way you wouldn't risk your professionalism to say, certain things or you know gamble on something that you might in your own life and so i do i i know it's different but i know you know what i'm talking about sorry i'm trying to say this authentically but also not give anyone's lives away um but you know because there's strangers who listen to this but you weren't the only person you like you weren't the only person feeling that i think we all I think the nostalgia is partially so special because we're like, man, if we all hadn't been keeping so many things together in our personal lives, maybe the time could have been like as personal for us as it looks for our characters, you know? That's what's weird about it, is watching, like, watching us experience what we wanted personally to be experiencing, with each other. So it's like my body has this muscle memory of these great experiences and watching you guys. And also I there were some great moments. I mean, there were times like when the cameras were rolling, it was like this, this is fake, but it's also real. Like I love these people. I would go to battle with these people. I love this crew. Yeah. But when the cameras stop rolling, there's all these weird personal complicated like situations and insecurities and things that were just, we were under.

under a mountain of six, seven years of complex issues that how do you, like, ugh. They're not even just our complex issues, right? It's also the complex issues of your life at home, like you're referring to. That's what I mean. Yeah. That you can't, I guess I just want to like clarify for people listening because they're probably like, what's the drama to Rob's earlier point? What was the drama? It's like, no, no, that's not it. It's like, the characters are each other's best friends in every sense of the word. And for us as co-workers and friends and people in this very bizarre, muddled, professional, personal space, there were parts of our, I'm doing a pie chart for the people at home who can't see me. There are like parts of the circle where there's best friendship.

And then there's parts of the circle where all these people have things going on at home that they don't feel comfortable to talk about yet. So we're keeping secrets. And then there's other spaces where, you know, for professionalism, your acquaintances, but also you really love this person who's your acquaintance, but at this moment you don't share a best friendship. And they're in a washing machine. So they're cyclical at all times. And they're moving around all the time. And then you're away together and you're like, I love you so much. And I also haven't, like, I haven't told my mom about this thing I'm struggling with yet. So I'm certainly not going to talk about it at work while I'm wearing a hot microphone. And it just makes the weirdest dynamic because you're like, you're my people and also is any of this real? And I think it's really real. But what if it isn't? And it makes you feel so held and also like a complete crazy person. And it was easier on set.

When we were in Wilmington, we had gotten into a routine with it. So we sort of had figured out compartmentalized where the emotions go at what time and how we. But getting away, we're now at this weird summer camp version of life and work. and suddenly it was like, the rules don't apply, but do they? But they don't, but they do? And how are we supposed? So I was feeling all that watching this episode back. Like there was so much more emotion for me in this episode than so many before. There's also a thing where to your point, in Wilmington, when things were overwhelming in your life, you could go home and like watch a movie alone in your apartment. But we were on vacation for a week together, living together. And I remember looking at you trying to be like, I don't know what to. And being like, oh, you came by yourself. And you were like, uh-huh. And we just looked at each other. And I was like, are we going to talk about why he's not here? We're not going to talk about it. We don't have to talk about it. You want to get something to eat? And there's 200 people around. So of course we're not going to talk about it. And it's

just such a weird. Oh my God. I think about what we survived and the fact that any of us are virtually normal. And it's a miracle. I do remember that. Oh, my gosh. And then what's crazy is I got, sorry, Rob, I feel like we're just like, a couple of hens just No, this is great. I'm trying to get in a word itch. I love Rob because he's just nodding. He's like, look at the girls processing their feelings. So sweet. This is such good dad energy. He's so precious. He's like, oh, honey's. Okay, when did we shoot this? Do we know when we shot this episode? It aired in May. It would have been. We think like February, March? I can't remember, because sometimes we would do the travel episodes a little. ahead. Like we'd shoot the last episode early so that we could like get the equipment back and then

be shooting an episode while they were, you know, figuring all that stuff out. So I would say this had to be like end of March. Okay. So I got pregnant very soon after this. And what's interesting is I mean, I ended up leaving anyway, obviously, but I, the marriage in my bad situation. But yeah, that when we got to Utah, I remember feeling so much more free because I got to a point in my life where I was like, something's wrong, something's not working, this is bad, this is like, this is funky. And I was really fed up with a lot of the stuff that I was going through that I wrote in my book. But when we got to Utah, I was like, I felt so much more like myself. And I remember that moment with you. So just feeling as though I wanted

to tell you everything and I wanted to dive in. But I was still torn between the sense of loyalty and being classy, especially when you're married and you don't want to betray your spouse or your partner. And it's like, how much can I say? And yeah, it's so interesting that I had that feeling there. That was a very critical moment in my life where I was like, am I going to leave my marriage? Am I going to like just stay here in Utah and open up a bed and breakfast and keep working on this show and just disappear? And if, and I could have done it. It was like another crossroads in my life. Like every moment that I experienced with you guys fed into that very real need that I had to extract myself from a very bad situation. And so that all that happened

while we were shooting this episode and if I hadn't gone back well I wouldn't have my daughter so I'm glad that I did but it was a turning point in my life of course I get it and I mean I think about it for you all the time especially like your Utah

was my London and like I didn't know any of those people I mean I die for them they're like three of the loveliest humans I've ever worked with but I was like I can't tell anyone what's going on here like it's not a appropriate to bring your stuff to work and and I think about it in a weird way you and and all the conversations I mean that we've had like about your book and all the other things over the last

few months in particular like made me go oh of course because I had this bit of guilt being like why couldn't I just say it like why did I why did I try to keep it up for so long and it's like because you're trying to do the right thing and you're thinking. maybe it's a phase and everyone says, you know, don't bring what's hard in your house into your friendships. Save that for therapy. Save it for whatever. Never tell. That's disrespectful to your spouse. And I don't know. I think when you finally say it, you can think about it and think about it and think about it and think about it for however long and nobody gets to judge that. But it's like the minute you say it out loud, you can never unsay it. You can't take it back. And like the snowball is

on its way down the mountain finally. Yeah. And again, like, oh, it's the Mumford lyric. Oh, no, I'm going to cry. Like, you are not alone in that, in this. Yeah. You know? We think we are so often.

Look at these travel episodes. Just bringing up all of our show. I'm very proud of us, everyone. We were so much younger and I'll speak for myself because I relate to what you're saying, Joy. I very much, listen, in my entire career, if there was one job, I could do a do-over on, it would be one tree hill. Yeah. Because now as an adult in this place where I'm in life, I see how much I enjoy the people who were a part of it, who at the time, I just didn't really have the ability to connect with the way I can now. So on this episode, I felt that especially so.

because I was watching what an incredible experience it was and remembering like you were saying Joy kind of feeling like I was watching my life through like a window you know like I'm witnessing it I thought all you guys were just like having a ball everybody was in it but me but we were all feeling that yeah I was I was watching it but I wasn't experiencing it and like to kind of what we're saying though it's like

because I didn't have the language back then you know probably the same way stuff that you didn't have the language to maybe ask the question or hold the space, whatever it is, you would have liked to have done 10 years ago, you know, but like, part of the reason everyone I kept it in arm's length was because I didn't know how to talk about what was going on, you know, and I think that's kind of something that to one degree or another, we all were experiencing. And not only were we so young, did we not have the language? We weren't in the time that we're in now 20 years ago where everyone understands the language of mental health. It wasn't.

a conversation and we were kids and at work like that day will be burned in my memory forever like looking at you and being like I'm going to try to crack the door but then it was like oh my god I tried to crack the door and she doesn't want to open it and like I should not be asking about this at work this is so inappropriate and it always was the fear of like we have to be really careful at work and I think now we understand how to do two things at once we're human beings Like we are not, we are not our work. Our work is an extension of us, but we have to be human first. But it's hard, it's just hard to navigate.

And we, as you said, we were kids. Yeah. And there was none of the quote unquote grownups were modeling healthy behavior. Yeah. So in other words, there was no one setting a precedent above us of going, hey, you good? Never. It was, so it sort of was, it made it easier to just not bring it up. I should say it made it harder to want to bring things to the surface because no one above us was doing it and showing us that it was okay to do.

Well, and by the way, if anyone ever did, they got yelled at. Yeah. So. Yeah. It's an immense amount of pressure. And it's not just, you have to be professional. It's there are millions of dollars riding on you showing up on time, saying your lines, being emotionally ready for your scene and doing exactly what we're asking you to do. Millions of dollars, hundreds of jobs.

and it's all on you right now. So sorry if you're having a hard time in your personal life. Go deal with it later. Exactly. So you get really good at like show up, shut up, and then do the dance when they say action. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges,

we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con. or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive

while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, if we're going to talk about doing the dance, we got to talk about skills coat because as I watched this episode right thank god thank god rom brought us back I found myself going I think I remember that the bit was supposed to be that it was an ugly coat like it was obnoxious that I got to tell you 43 year old me watching this

episode was like that coat is dope yeah I would love to own that coat by the way same and I was like who managed to get that coat in the wardrobe sale I hope Antoine. Like, I really hope Antoine has it. And if Lee secretly has it in the back of his closet, I will die. The shot of mouth dancing in the club with the jacket on and the entire club, all of the women circled around him. First of all, I loved it because that's just such a funny image. But it also made me laugh.

Like, when does that ever happen in real life? It doesn't. It only happens in movies. Like, unless you're throwing. money out. No one in the club is stopping. Everyone at the same time is stopping what they're doing to just circle around you and cheer you on.

Yeah. Only in movies. Never. That's just, it was what it felt like to mouth. That's how it felt to him. We were just experiencing his experience. Wow. Okay.

I don't know. That's how I see it. A sort of premonition for episode 801. Oh, yeah. We're in the men. Mental experience is so good. That, in that club sequence was one of my favorite lines so far of the entire series where Quinn decided she's going to go dance.

She's like, I'm going to go dance. And Clay's like, great. I'm going to sit here and drink. And then a few moments later, skills walks her back to Clay. And he says, she was sexy until she started dancing. And then puts her in her seat. Just sits her down. It was, I didn't remember it.

caught me so off guard, but I thought it was so darn funny, man. That's so good. Your face cracked me up, Rob. And when you were in the club, it was the first shot in the club. We were walking around and we're seeing Claywander. And you walk past Alex grinding on Chase and look on your face. It was so good. I wrote down that look for you.

And then I also love that when Skills plops Quinn down and Chantel does such a good beat of that physical comedy where, like, she gets plopped down like a rag doll the way children do. Yeah. And you just, you deadpan, lost the beat. Oh, that was so funny. I cackled with a whole storyline about her losing things and then lose the beat. It was good. It was perfect.

I had so much fun watching you in all those club scenes. It was great. I had fun shooting those. I remember shooting because, again, it was one of those things where, like you said, We're in this bubble where we're all together randomly. Like we're not normally all together. And we're all in the same scene. Everything was just new and different.

But I just remember it being a very fun day, like high energy day on set. Because like most of us were all there, you know? Yeah. Dancing to music that wasn't on, which is always so much fun. I feel like here's my dream right now. There's got to be a brand out there that needs a commercial that they could just send us all back to Utah. and we could do like a mini, minute-long recreation of moments from the Utah episode. So we could all just have like a little bite in time.

Like a snack. Just a little snack to recapture emotionally what we need to really like walk away with in our bones. All the good stuff that we always wanted. I feel like that would be so great. I'm so into it. You know what one moment I think people would not be itching to relive, specifically one cast member. I'm thinking the whole sequence of poor Chantel.

Oh, my God. Getting locked out and having to parade around in her bikini. Listen, I've said it before. I'll say it again. Monster team player. Yeah. Went, she committed, she did it. But it was the hat on a hat of A,

shooting a close up of her butt as she walked to the table. And then you cut back to the close up of her butt as she leaves. Yeah. Yep. So disappointing. And that's one of those things too, right? It's like, I mean, look at our friend.

Like, she's a supermodel. At the time, everyone was like, damn, girl, like go off or whatever we were saying in 2010. And obviously the journeys we've all been on together since then. Like, it made me really sad because I was like, oh, I remember thinking, like, this is one of those moments where, like, you hear all your friends' moms being like, if you got it, flaunt it, like, you're going to want to know what your body looked like at this age someday, like all those things that, like, the older ladies say to you

when they've had three glasses of white wine. And now, like, now watching it, it makes me feel so uncomfortable and so sad for her. And I'm like, damn, we just, like. We failed on that. Well, just none of us, we weren't communicating then. We've communicated since. But I hate it, and it makes me so angry. And knowing who directed this episode, it makes me so angry. And, you know, she had to go through this whole sequence, first of all, in the freezing snow, in, you know, essentially her underwear, and act like it wasn't a big deal. And, you know, God bless her, she looked incredible. But then, like, even the gag about, like, I lose things with you guys, the club stuff is so funny. The key bit, all of it. I get it.

And like, you have to basically do the exact same scene just you and her in the bedroom. And I was like, man, she went through it. She did a beautiful job. You're right. Ultimate team player. But she went through it. It felt like it was just a reminder for all the kids out there, all the girls watching the show. Like, hey, just a reminder, men are in charge.

And this is all about what we want. Like, you're sitting here watching a fun episode of a time. teen soap opera to enjoy all these characters and the romance stories and everything that you've fallen in love with and the snowball fights and but just a reminder the old guys are in charge yeah and you know what really solidified that for me and made it feel so icky is when when there's that sequence where she walks into the cafe to get the key from you rob there is a specific shot like from the center of her body to a close-up on the reaction of a background actor who is absolutely old enough to be her father, if not older. And I was like, oh, we're going to prioritize letting some

dude we don't know. He's going to be directed to stare at this woman's ass and we're going to film it. Yeah, how about being directed to be embarrassed and look away? Like, oh, gosh, I don't want to look at this young girl. Like, oh, geez. I know a lot of guys who would do that. If I walked into a restaurant and a bikini and there were plenty of older guys that I know who would offer you a coat and then look away and offer you a coat that's right you know what it is it is the um it is the equivalent of this recent trend of like the ice bucket being dropped in slow motion clay's beer bottle being dropped in slow motion it's this really hacky way of hammering home a point that the audience is smart enough they don't they don't need

They don't need to be hammered home. Listen, Shantel's in the shot. Everyone can see. She's incredibly fit and beautiful. You don't need to cut to a third party who we've never met going, wah-wa-we-wa. Like, we're all having the same experience. It's like Looney Tunes.

It's like roadrunner. It's so dumb. And also to your point, why not say key, beat, beat, coat. And make, like, you know, or even you could have done it. You could have handed her the key and then said, and coat. Like, you guys could have had a bit. It didn't need to be. How about an older gentleman walking up and saying, dear, would you like my coat?

She takes it and then looks at clay and skills and mouth. Like, y'all a bunch of chumps. Not one of you offered me a coat. Yeah. Dude, how about clay? It's your boyfriend. Are you kidding me if Jenny showed up someplace in 20 degree weather in her bikini? I mean, there's a lot of questions.

There's a lot of false questions to that. But the first thing I would do would be like, oh my God, take my coat, you psycho. Well, the first thing you'd do is fall on the floor laughing if she looked like that in a hat and a bikini and snow boots. And then you'd probably offer her. Yes, yes. A coat would be in the equation at some point. Yes, of course. And you know what?

You guys manage to make it as icky as it feels to us now. You managed to make it very hilarious. Yeah. And that's really hats off to all of you as actors. it also kind of made me, I guess, them like laugh a little more when, you know, Nathan parades Jamie out of the movie and is like, you open on a sex scene, great job. And I'm like, okay, so there's a line somewhere.

It's apparently with the seven-year-old, but like, okay, okay, we're at least going to have a boundary, I suppose. But I like the buddy comedy of that. Like, the Julian and Jamie buddy comedy is very cute to me and then kind of perusing, you know, the scene and then going to the bar and Julian getting a beer and the kid getting a root beer and like... I loved that. It was all just so cute. And I like that a seven-year-old, like, gives attitude to a grown-up and then the grown-up gives it right back, like, they're really buds. How about when he says to Chase, he goes, who are you?

Oh. And Chase is like, it's me. And then he goes, whatever, you're no grubs. That was great. So fun. Did you catch the Peanuts Snoopy little homage where he is just laying on top of the snow fort? Just like Snoopy would do on top of the doghouse? Yeah.

I didn't catch that. That's great. It was really cute. The igloo that they built on set for us. Do you remember? By the way, I have notes about that. I was like, wait, the igloo was, it was fake. I remember it being fake.

And then I thought, oh my God, of course, we did the interiors on set because they could only have one half of it up because they needed to get the cameras on the other side. And that's why when Haley says to Brooke, you know, you don't have to check on me. And my response to you is, I'm not. I just needed some ice for my cocktail. I had to like scrape the spray whatever that was, fake snow off the wall.

And then obviously not drink it because it's poison. And I was like, God, I hate that we didn't get a reset with like a prop person then being like, okay, pause, swap, and do the thing. So it looked real. Like, I just did this and then was like, disgusting. And then I never drink it for the rest of the scene. I have a question for the two of you because there is a shot in the coda of the two of you in that igloo. Yeah. And then Quinn enters.

Yes. And then the two of you start cracking up. And she kind of looks like embarrassed or something. And again, it's CODUS, there's no, there's no dialogue. Do you remember, was it scripted that way? Or did you guys just, did something funny happen? I do not. I remember that the igloo paint was wet and they were like, don't get your hair on the wall of the igloo.

And so we had to sit, like we were leaning against the wall except we couldn't actually lean on it. That was weird. The one thing that I recall, and I wonder if it is what made us laugh, I think it was probably on the first pass. Because they, you know, they have Brooke, go check on Haley. and then Quing comes in. And I remember the three of us being in there for quite some time, which is why it was weird to me that it cut from the two of us to the three of us and then back to the two of us.

But I do remember the first time that Shantel tried to get in because we sort of had to sit close enough to the entrance that we could establish that we were in the little igloo. And she obviously has like, you know, legs, the length of Heidi Klumes. And when she tried to get in, because she had so little room, one of her legs got stuck. And it was like, you know, she just, like, tried to swing. And it wasn't, it wasn't enough of like a turning radius for her because she's, again, a supermodel and Joy and I are short.

And we were like, it was very funny. And I wonder if that's what we were, like, if that's the scene. That had to have been it. Right? I think it was. Oh, that's so good. I wish we'd actually shown that. That's so funny.

But then what I don't understand is like, why didn't we just keep rolling on the three of us for the rest of it? Where did she go? Yeah, where did she go? Does she have to go back out to hang out? Well, she had to know, because you guys are back home. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That might have just been a Coda out of order thing when they were editing.

They just pushed it out of order. Yeah. They probably liked the way the dolly was moving and we're like, no one will notice. And it's like, we all noticed, guys, all of us. Did you notice? Okay, there's some bigger stuff we've got to get to. But before we do, when we're in the premiere of, in Julian's premiere, there's a shot shooting towards the audience, right? where the camera kind of thing starts up at maybe the projection booth

and it pans down to eventually find our characters. Before it gets there, though, there's this odd thing where there's a girl smack in the middle of frame who appears to be nodding off. No. And I was, but here's the deal. She's not fully asleep and she's not drowsy. She's like actively nodding off.

And I was so confused. Like, did the director tell her? Like, was that supposed to be like not everyone's liking the film? or was it her choice to stand out? But if you go back and watch it, everyone is engrossed in the film except the one girl square in the middle of the shot is like dozing and nodding off.

Oh my gosh. I missed it because my notes for that was, oh, I love that when we pan down, you see everyone in tears because the movie's so good. Yes. Like everybody's crying. And so I missed her because I was looking at all of you.

Well, there you go. There's your Easter egg to go back and revisit. Great. Okay, so two things I do. did not remember happening. First of all, Haley being pregnant. That caught me completely off guard. I don't remember that storyline at all. And I didn't realize, I knew this would happen eventually, but that this was the episode Julian Proposed. Oh, I know. I totally forgot that too. He was so slick with it. Right before he put the, he's like, Jamie gave me a gold star. You want to see it. And my brain

went to, oh, he's going to, maybe he's going to give her a ring. And so, but I wasn't sure because I just, didn't remember. So it was really satisfying. And your face, Sophia. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that was such pure shock and joy. It was lovely. It was so, so sweet.

You two did such a great job with that scene. It was so sweet. And I was really appreciative that they didn't do the thing of leaning into Julian being awkward and goofy. And they actually just let him have a moment where he wasn't tripping over himself. And he was calm and collected because I think it. gave the scene so much more weight and impact. Yeah. There was no distraction.

It was just about him being in love with you and wanting to marry you. Yeah. And what I loved about it for them, too, is this whole sort of journey that they've been on together. You know, Brooke really having to learn to let her walls down and let someone in, even though that's a risk. You know, Julian having to figure out how to not just be, you know, the writer. who's writing stories where someone saves the girl, but like a person who's a partner to someone, the sort of choice to do this,

I mean, A, in the most beautiful setting anywhere, come on, in the Aspen trees in Utah, but out in the quiet, like there was something that really struck me watching it all these years later about how these two people have these really busy lives and they've been through all these crazy things and they're in the quietest place and they just get to have this moment alone

and it gave it this kind of groundedness for me that then when he started talking about how back there, back in the noise, back in the work that everyone says is my identity, everyone's saying, the next choice I make is going to define me, my career, my life. And the next thing I wanted to do is this,

to leave everything but you and make it about you and me, I was like, God, the happenstance of Utah being the place we went for this episode gave the proposal so much more weight for me as a viewer than I think it would have had, had it happened anywhere we were used to seeing, you know?

Yep. It was really special. Yeah, and that's the helpfulness with the reconnecting too. Sometimes it helps to just get outside of the regular zone of influence and regular patterns. And Haley's reconnecting with herself, with her family, being able to be out in the quiet, the whole owl thing. Guys, by the way, that owl was terrifying. I have pictures of all of us and that owl somewhere.

Yep. That owl was scary. I thought one of us was going to leave with a permanent scar. Guys, that owl was so terrifying. And I had to, you know, they bring it out. And because I was the one working with it. They were like, we're going to have a moment. You're going to have a work session with the owls.

So they're going to put it on your arm. And like they had a glove and a whole thing. And I don't like, I don't scare easy. My fight or flight instinct is usually fight. And I'm a problem solver. I'm a great person to having a crisis. Man, I'm telling you, they put that bird on my arm. And I was like, this thing is made out of knives and it is going to attack my face.

And I'm just staring at it and it doesn't blink. and it's like soulless. And I'm like, oh, my God. Or maybe it's got so much soul and I'm terrified. I don't know what it was. By the way. Thank God. Watching you tell this story, I'm like, that owl knew you weren't being honest with

yourself, Joy, and was looking into your eyes and you hated it because it was staring at you. It was mirroring into my soul. Yeah. The rest of us would be like, hey, you good? And then it would be like, beat, beat. And you'd be like, yeah. And we'd be like, okay, see you later.

And run. And the owl was like, I'm not going anywhere. little girl. That's right. I'm not flinching. And in the owl's defense, the first thing you said to it when you walked up in the work session was, hey, so how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tuxie pop? You know? So like, obviously that's not what it wanted to hear. Everyone says that to it. Yeah. He's like, stop deflecting. You're in pain. You're dealing with things in your life and you need to face it right now. I'm to stare at you with my knife face and my knife hands until you... I love that you call it a knife face that beak those talons the talons are scary you know what was interesting to me

was watching because we'd talked about how this was coming and obviously we'd all had this wild day watching you work with this bird and and doing the things even though it looked like none of us were there you know when the scene was being shot i remember as you walk up to it it's sitting on its perch and they had to build the perch like it's a fake they like took branches off of another tree because they had to bring branches down low enough for you to be able to reach it and then you know put all the dead branches around it to just make it look like whatever it looked like and you walk up to it and then I'm like well when does it jump into her hand well when and I'm waiting because I remember you holding it but I realized that was your work session so the whole time

I'm watching the scene I'm like but when does it sit on her arm I remember it on her arm and of course it couldn't sit on your arm without a glove because it would have punctured your bones. Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's like why when you watch the documentary, the staircase and somebody brings up the owl theory, you realize when you're in the presence of an owl, how completely possible that is. But that's a totally different show. So it's fine. I loved that documentary, though. We need to talk about that.

You know, when you're hanging out with a toddler and they get that crazy look in their eye where you're like, I'm either about to get hugged or punched in the face and I don't know what it's going to be? That was what the owl's eyes were like the entire time. Except, like you said, it's made of knives. It was terrifying. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to forget to say, I love that we got more chase in this episode. Yeah.

Because I love sweet sweet Stephen Coletti. And I had no recollection of there being a Chase Mia Alex love triangle. Me either. No. I know. And the Alex and Josh friendship developing the storyline for Paul and Josh. I didn't remember Paul being in Utah with us. That's how checked out I was.

What I loved so much was the sort of love-hate sibling relationship between them developing, having these really sweet conversations that then shift into their, I can't tell you how much I hate you kind of energy. Yes. The joke of both Josh and Alex trying to get into Chase's room and it being locked. Oh, that was so good. So good. That actually might be my honorable mention for the whole episode.

That silly little joke was top tier. Great. So great. Well done to you, Stephen Coletti. You're so handsome that everyone wants to kiss you. And I mean, the funniest scene of all,

the perfect button on this episode, let's talk about Clay and Quinn and Katie. Oh my God. Can I tell you here's the weird thing? I knew that was coming. And as I watched the scene, my first thing I thought was, when it ended,

was why did she go, why did she leave out of the balcony? Here's the deal. I'm not logic checking the scene. I just meant it was like my brain went, you've potentially killed them. Why not just walk out the front door there? Save yourself a climb.

You know? Yeah. Like the job's done. No one's going to stop you there. Yeah, you did it. Maybe she didn't want to touch doorknobs. Like I said, I'm not logic checking it because there are valid reasons why.

It was just funny that my first thought was, strange she chose to go back out the balcony yeah yeah yeah i had a moment with that also strange that there was no ricochet there the bullet didn't hit the door it wasn't on the wall there was like nothing it just from that close range she shot clay and the bullet just stopped right like he just made out of steel man well to be fair have you seen clay's abs i mean let me tell you no you haven't because they're not really there yeah uh yeah that was a good it was a it was a great twist in the sense that you had the entire episode all about happy endings, this theme of people are getting the movie, they get the happy ending, Bruyant's getting it, Naley's getting it. And then it's just,

it seems that Clay and Quinn are having it. And then bang, bang. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's quite a shock. But I guess that's the point, right? Is, is, do you think that maybe the idea in the writer's room was, you know, we're giving everyone their dream. You know, Brooke says it to Julian when they get home. Feels like everyone lives happily ever after and he says they do. Maybe if everyone actually ended the season happy, even though we'd been picked up for season seven and eight, which had never happened before, a two-season pickup, maybe they were like, maybe everyone's going to think this is a series finale. We really got to give them something. That's what my friend who was staying with me said when we were watching it,

she was like, this one felt like such a serious finale. I remember watching it thinking, oh, no, is the show over? Like, everybody's getting their stories all wrapped up. And then we got that twist ending. Which is a perfect segue to our listener question. Heather asks, is it true that the ending of this episode was supposed to be everyone in the snow and it was later changed? If that's true, why did they change the ending?

I don't know the answer to that question. That sounds right. And I was, because as I thought about that, I thought, did I? I knew I was coming back, right? And I'm pretty sure, Chantelle and I knew we were coming back. I think it was conveyed to us because otherwise that would be a very ambiguous way to end of the season. But was the show itself? Were we not sure? No, we were. We were? Because remember, we got picked up at the end of season six. They picked us up for seven and eight together. Oh, wow. So, and that had never happened to us before. And so we knew we were going to have two years of work. So I, I got to be honest, Heather, I have no idea, but I don't believe that that is true only because we needed a cliffhanger. Yeah. The ending in the snow, you know, it's just a hill, we'll climb it together, that great moment where you know like our Haley is back.

It would have felt like a great end to an episode, but it wouldn't have been a cliffhanger. and we needed one. So I guess that's why we get this last act. Yeah, it has to have been. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric.

This is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornales, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball.

Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world. influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Honorable mentions. What do you got? I mean, we know Sophia's. Yeah. Chase's door being locked. I know I tried. So did I. That's fine.

I mean, also, Joy, you surviving the owl, but that feels like it's yours to take if you want it. I, no, it's okay. Like, that was fun, but I think my honorable mention will probably be just the Quinn and Haley going for a walk, like, finally. Because Quinn was so fine. Like, Haley's, their mom, Haley Quinn and Taylor's mom dies, and Haley's the only one that seems to be really having a problem with it. Quinn's, like, moving on with life. Everything's fine. she's happy she's got her gallery she's like it's all like she's not acknowledging it at all and

there was something about being in the snow and taking that walk it was like okay all right so quinn is like processing it in her own way and they're taking their time together and so it felt like something we i needed anyway as a viewer yeah i would say my lighthearted honorable mention is finding out that alex dupre's real name is alice whitehead yes and my more meaningful honorable mention would be the your performance joy i thought you did a really good job portraying haley trying to come out from under the wet blanket of her depression thank you i believed it as someone who's been there i bought it i was that's how i was feeling i was coming out of my own haze so in a way i think it all just worked together bizarre how that all how that all happened coincided but thank you i appreciate that

I really enjoyed that episode, lots of visceral memories. It was so special. We finished our first full season together. God, congratulations, Rob. Thank you for joining us for a whole season. Hey, let me just say, this has been a blast. Thank you for having me on. You want to keep coming back, or are you done, you all wrapped up now?

Are we going to pretend that I died like the end of season seven? And we'll see if I appear for episode 801. He's calling his agent. He's like, I might be on the bubble. I don't know. Yeah. Listen, if we weren't recording 801 in four minutes from now, I would be very worried I might be recast. It'd be great the listener tunes in in 801 at Stephen Coletti.

I actually am recast. He didn't test great, Rob. He didn't test great. He burned bright, but he didn't last long. Okay, next episode, season eight, episode one, asleep at Heaven's Gate. I can't wait to see you guys back. Thank you. See you in four.

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