Drama Queens - You Brett Your Life w/Brett Claywell aka Tim Smith • EP221

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Brett Claywell aka Tim Smith is here, and he’s rocking a man bun?!  Brett reveals how he got cast; he was knocking on doors in Wilmington delivering Domino's and at first someone else was playing Tim!? Brett shares that his wife has never seen One Tree Hill and that he feels like being a Dad is his true calling. Cue the feels!  Plus, we’re tying up loose ends as we prepare ourselves for the Season 2 Finale!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First of all, you don't know me. We're all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama queens, drama queens, smart girl, rough girl, fashion but you'll tough girl. You could sit with us, girl. Drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens.

Drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. We're here to talk about Nathan returning home from the hospital with unpaid bills in episode 21 of season two. What could have been? Air date May 17, 2005. So Nathan's poor. The friends throw him a movie night fundraiser a trick. Lucas is determined to take down Dan and he enlists Andy for help. Meanwhile, Dan is inexplicably again trying to.

to make amends with Nathan and encourages him to move back home. I mean, can he stop barking up this tree already? While telling Haley a big lie about her marriage, Peyton suggests Brooke is getting closer to Lucas. Is it a lie? That's in the synopsis that he's telling a lie, but we don't know that Nathan didn't sign those papers. No.

So I don't know if it was a lie or not, actually. Yeah, all the implications are actually pointing to the fact that he just did, but it was off camera. We all said this episode was kind of like expository, and there was like a lot of dialogue that felt like we were setting things up or wrapping things up. But it was directed by Bethany Rooney, who sure is good at her job. Bethany Rooney... She's good people, too.

She's just like a cool person. I like her. Yeah, I've worked with her on a couple other shows, and she's just such a solid director. And so the way this episode was shot was so fun. The movie night at Trick looked like a super fond party. The scenes between Brooke and Lucas are super intimate and sweet, you know? So then that gut punch at the end hurts. The scene of Haley, like, you know, what husband?

And then, like, falling into her tears at the keyboard. Yeah. Yeah, she did a great job making us care because this episode kind of felt like, I mean, we know everything that we were just coming off of. The last few episodes were not stellar. So to get, I feel like the writing room, the writer's room has somewhere else, like a whole different path for everybody that they want to go on right now. But they couldn't just jump into it right away. We had to tie up all these loose ends.

And that's kind of what this episode felt like. It was tying up loose ends and opening some new doors. So there's not a lot that happens, but it's preparing. And it was interesting to me because I felt like the writers used Nathan as the bridge. You know, like if we were doing games at camp and someone had to be the one. Like Nathan is the one. And suddenly he's like this wise sage oracle who's just saying all these deep things. Like what?

It's hilarious. It's hilarious to me. If Nathan is the Oracle, what does that make, Dan? Hillary, you called it. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Listen, Dan with the paperwork in this episode, I'm like, is he Ursula? Ursula, the Sea Witch?

He's just like, give me a voice, kid, sign this paper. I'll make all your dreams come true. Oh, I love Dan the Sea Witch. That's great. Listen, there's going to be a fan out there that puts Dan's face on Ursula's body, and it is going to please me. Give it to us. Give it to us, listeners.

Your pretty face. Body language. Oh, my God. Even the way he, like, approached you in that scene, and he was like, what do you think Nathan sent me? Like, it was wiggling his body. Yeah. Oh, God.

Okay, Dan, guys are just going to bad guy. Let's talk about Dan because he is so confusing to me in this episode. We've seen him have changes of heart before and they were all motivated by some life-threatening incident. His first one being what the heart attack he had with Deb. When he was like, I hope you die or he said, you better hope I die. Wait, you just reminded me of something. What? Because Dan had that weird, like if you think about it, like a syndrome, he had like post-heart

attack syndrome. I don't know if this is a real thing, but I mean, we're saying it is for this argument. No, no, you're a doctor on TV. I'm a doctor on TV, guys. Well, I know there's, like, things people have sometimes, like, there is a real affliction called a post-surgical depression. So I'm wondering if, like, there's a, you know, post-accent high? Yes.

Like a near-death experience can give you kind of a high. or a clarity. And Dan had that near-death experience high where he was being weird. And remember, Deb was like, you're freaking everybody out. Yeah. You know?

And now Nathan just had this near-death experience and he's this wise sage. He's like, Mom, you're just a human doing your best. And what if me and Haley have been spending too much energy in the wrong places? Like, he's suddenly like a therapist. It's crazy. And I didn't connect it.

But by the way, a teenage boy who has never seen a therapist. who definitely should. And who definitely is not in touch with his feelings in the way that Lucas is or anything that's the basis of his whole character is he's like, rolled off tough gang. This child just tried to kill himself. Like this child just tried to kill himself.

And the writers are like, should we send him to a shrink? No, no, no. Let's send his dr. drunko mom to the, you know, rehab facility. He's just going to have an awakening. Yeah. And then he makes a Dr. Phil joke when Lucas says you need to talk to someone.

And yet, through the episode, the writers gave him the dialogue of a 46-year-old college professor therapist. Right, right, right. It was very bizarre. Yeah. Very bizarre. But I will say, as bizarre as it felt, I got to hand it to James. He did a beautiful job. Always.

He was so grounded in these sort of emotional realizations that Nathan is having that, you know, in the hands of another very young actor might have felt really soap opera-y and weird. And he really, he did it beautifully, even though the dialogue when we think about it on the page is a little ridiculous for a teenage boy. Yeah, he committed. That is, I mean, you can never accuse James of not fully committing to his material. Whatever you give him, he throws himself at it 100%. And I love seeing that.

But I'm still confused about why Dan is suddenly having. a change of heart with Lucas and crying and like and then well then I mean he's still like this is how far we've come you don't believe me when I'm sincere no no one believes you ever he's the ultimate boy that cried wolf so I think part of what made that scene feel weird too you know Nathan goes in there and they're having this argument but it's set like a weird TV movie with like the fire going like the set felt like a soap opera and then the music was like Kenny Loggins.

The music was making me insane. What was that? It was a lot of slow jazz. It was really weird. So it kind of undercut the moment, which now I'm going, well, I wonder if it was a device to make you feel like it was insincere.

I don't know. Now I'm going like a full beautiful mind trying to connect things. Yeah, how meta is. It's like, what are we doing? I think it was so that Nathan would just move in with his dad so that like the chicks could live in the apartment. I mean, honestly.

How much debauchery can we get up to when you're living with Karen? This is, is this how Brooke gets the apartment? Like are we just setting up? Yeah. Our sweet like three's company. Yeah, because Haley comes home at some point and then I move in there. Or do I move in first? I actually don't remember.

I just remember we had two beds in one room, and I actually did that one summer in college. My best friend and I couldn't afford to get an apartment a two-bedroom apartment in L.A. for the summer. So we got a tiny little studio, and we had two beds in it. That was cute. It was actually very cute. By the way, I would still do that now as a grown-up. Honestly, same. If you guys want to just get a crash pot of Purvis together.

But I'm like, we should live on a commune. And he's like, I'm more introverted than you. I'm like, I want to be underneath other humans. always just like in a puppy pile I want to nap in in a group and grant is like I we are not the same do you know how sometimes like people will pick up things that we say from the podcast and make them into news stories yeah I need Sophia's news story this week to be like I just want to be underneath people yeah I don't mean that in a sexual way I'm realizing as you've repeated it that it sounds terrible I don't mean like get over somebody by you know somebody I don't mean that

You meant that. I mean, like, I just want to, I want to, like, I want to snuggle, like, new puppies all the time. Well, yeah. Brooks about to get there. And this is the episode that set it up, I think. This whole thing about Nathan needing to raise money because he's poor all of a sudden. I love that that's the device on our show that's like, oh, man, Brooks poor. Nathan's poor.

This is the worst. There's poor, poor kids. I think, I would imagine that, like, they had written all the other stuff for the episode. and they just went, oh, we can't do another episode like this in a row of just a bunch of talking heads and nothing happening. And somebody said, we need a big group event to happen in the midst of all this other stuff. And then somebody came up with the movie night, which was cute. I mean, I liked it.

What? Loved, loved the setup for it with the River Court boys hanging out with the basketball team and everybody at Cairns. That felt so good and natural. and really how it was in real life behind the scene. We need more of that energy. I can't figure out what parents let their high school teenagers go to a bar for like a lock-in. Maybe it wasn't a lock-in.

Maybe it wasn't overnight. Yeah. The thing, when you said that when we were watching the episode, I thought, oh, yeah, there's no, there's no, like, bar cage. Like, there's nothing that locks up the alcohol. They just trust us. Like, what? All these young kids and you think nobody's going to like swipe a bottle from the bar? This feels like parenting 101.

I guess they've figured that they've established a trust with Trix High School night or like non. Yeah. What do they call? Because it's an all-ages night. Or it's one of those places where they lock up the liquor elsewhere. Like it's kept off premises. Yeah. These are the things I wanted explained in the episode.

I will say I remember there was a really fun, you know, honestly kind of like a high school slash college club. in L.A., not like, you know, a sunset club, like the places people used to sneak into that you saw on the news, but like they would do, they would do high school nights. They would do these all-ages nights. And they would, I remember, they would card people at the door. And, you know, you could get in if you were 17 or 18. But for kids who were older, and I think you couldn't come in past like 23 or something, but they had like a separate room. And so the kids that were of age got wristbands and only they could go into the room where the bar was. But I remember the rest of us, like,

we had just graduated and we turned 18 and we felt like so cool to be there. Just like, we're going dancing, like the grown kids do. That does sound fun. But like, Trick doesn't have a separate space. Yeah. So I guess they just think no one's siphoning off the bar. I don't know.

Are we going to open an all-ages club? Is that our next entrepreneurial idea? I'm not mad at it. Oh, my God. I loved being a camp camp. counselor. I'm ready. Because when I was in high school, I remember that there were a couple like places in town that did that and I was never allowed to go to them because my dad was just like perverts hang out in those places like fishing for teenage girls. Well, yeah. Well, yeah,

you got that's why you got to have an age limit. You can't just have like 40 year old men in a bar with 17 year old girls. That's gross. It's like teenage night or something, but you can't have it all that's a hard pass like that. Do you guys remember the first time you ever got drunk? Uh, yeah. You want to talk about it? Well, Sophia, I'm just like, I'm having that visceral moment of like remembering the feeling of going, oh, I don't like this. Because the first couple times you do it, you don't know your body.

You don't do it well. It's not elegant. Mm-mm. No, I didn't drink really. Like, they would have Margarita Fridays on TRL, but because I was everyone's little sister, everyone was real touchy about like, okay, you can have one, you know? I feel like I'm going to get people in trouble. But the first time I really remember being like hammered was my 21st birthday at the MTV Beach. house with Ashley Simpson and her sister was visiting. And Jessica had like just had her birthday or was going to have her birthday and was like, everyone was kind of making it about her. And I was like, uh, it's my birthday. And I was such an asshole. And I just remember being so, so, so drunk and coming home and my boyfriend trying to like make sure I was thrown up in a bucket. And I was just like, David, David, leave me alone. And boy, his name.

sure wasn't David and that was a whole bag of problem. Oh my God. I waited a really long time and then I made up for it when we moved to Wellington. Yeah. Do you remember you? You're a champagne, champagne girl, right? I was a champagne. I was too young to go and some rich boy took me on a date.

I think his last name was like Van Elswick or something like that. Oh my God. like a gossip girl character totally oh totally oh my god you could have written him right out of gossip girl yeah went to the bubble lounge and um i probably i think feel like i've talked about this on the show before anyway i i drank champagne at the table and then got up to go to the bathroom and the whole room just like spun around me and kind of went oh that's what this feeling is did not know that i think i was 18 i was never much of a big drinker though i mean i don't like the feeling of being drunk And I definitely don't like it the next morning.

No. Oh, that headache is not good. No. Yeah, I was much more often the designated driver than not. Yeah. And also, like, high school when, you know, it was a big house party culture out here. And my mom was so scary. I was like, it's just not worth it.

So, you know, I got drunk here and there with friends, but more often than not, I drove everybody because I was like I just don't want to piss off Maureen I'm scared to her what kind of scary is I want to call her Mo so bad but she won't let me what kind of scary is great I know and you worked on her for almost 20 years and she's like no no no don't call me about she's that kind of scary but what kind of scary is she with the boat is she the kind of mom that's like scary because if you like if you tell me then I will show up for you and it'll be okay but if you don't tell me I will like you'll be in trouble for the rest of your life or is she like don't ever do any of this stuff if you ever do I'll murder you before you get a chance to do it again

like what kind of scary I'm dealing with my mom created what I like to call the holy parenting trinity because she managed to be all of the things at once so point one my mother was like kid I grew up in New York with a crazy Italian family that got into you'll never see that you might in a movie. So then it was like, oh my God, I'm so intimidated by this woman who like, you know, partied in a place where so did Andy Warhol. Then the next point was, you also just don't want to be the person everyone's talking about on Monday. It's so embarrassing. It's so tacky. So then there was like the shame spiral. And then the last point of the trifecta, the third, and I think perfect thing to say, was if you do decide to drink because you're a kid and you're going to

to be curious and everybody's going to at some point, don't be stupid enough to get in a car with someone else. If you get in a car with someone else after you or any of your friends have been drinking, I will kill you myself. If you call me, I will come pick you up because I will be more proud of you for calling me than I would ever be mad at you for trying something I know you're going to try eventually anyway. I just want you to be safe. So it created this whole thing where I was like, well, I can never get away with anything, so I'm not going to try. I also really don't want call my mom to pick me at a party because how embarrassing so i'll drive and and and you know and then i was like and yeah every once in a while when i'm gonna like break the rules i'll sleep over at somebody else's

house because i really don't want to have to see my mother i don't want to come home it just don't want to come home i'll like i'll go to the party i can walk to from like my high school best friend's house yeah and that's the party we'll drink out and we'll walk home because i'm not going to put myself in the line of fire for this like scary east coast woman that's good it's good mommy it's Because women are scary. They're scary and I like it. That's where I get it. Well, look, we had

strong mom energy here, except Karen wasn't at the All Ages Club making sure that everybody was like sober and not hooking up on the floor. No one was bartending. You, Hillary, Karen was in charge of the night. What happened? Karen's at home, sending emails to

Keithy boy. You know, Andy's like being BFF with Lucas and she's like, Keith, I just really care about you and, you know, I don't know. That letter was a little... That felt like another... It was putting out a feeler.

It just felt like another bridge that I was like, where did this come from? Like, Karen was just very much in it with Andy and feeling protected, you know, in her relationship with Andy. Andy's like out on a limb trying to help her and help Keith. And then...

He lost his job. Yeah. He's like trying to help Lucas. is and it like they never interact once in this episode she's just like keith pay attention to me keith keith keith i'm not going anywhere is that which is i guess the other side of it though is this is her best friend he's been around forever yeah and she in small part i guess or in part contributed to the situation of being left at the altar you know i mean it's muddy she could have told him earlier she didn't you know it's like i get it and i i don't know that anybody would

have anybody else would have made a different decision but there is a lot i mean it's your best friend what are you going to do you're just like ignore and let it let him just like go and not check in and not be like hey are we no maybe it's just the supplemental stuff of like looking at the photo album also felt kind of like romantic okay okay yeah they supplemented the email with some other just like layers that felt like we were the family. And I think we also came out of a scene where Nathan's talking about his family, you know, like, there was a lot of family talk in this episode. For Peyton, too.

Yeah, for the whole, for the whole gang. And revisiting the past is a theme in this episode. So Karen is revisiting the former family structure that she had, Keith and Lucas. And then Nathan is revisiting the former structure he used to have with his parents, but also with Tim and Peyton. Like sitting around in Trick, that little club of Nathan, Tim, and Peyton, before our pilot episode, that was the group that hung out. That's right. Like how many Friday nights did those guys spend together? Yeah. But we never got to see it. Yeah, it's a great point. And so seeing that.

that group together was just kind of a rewind for the audience, you know, of like what could have been. You know, if Lucas had never shown up, it would have still been Tim and Peyton and Nathan sitting around on a couch, being miserable, bitching about all the things. That was the scene. That's good. Good stuff. Well, speaking of Tim.

Speaking of. Guys, we have a really special guest. Brett Claywell is here. He's here. So excited to talk with him. And in real life, he's a good guy. Yes, it's true. It's true. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred, two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while

navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The man who is so good, so good with those beats, he takes a little morsel on a page and makes it into a very tasty comedic meal. we've got the one and only Tim Brett Claywell get him in here I feel like we should be doing

a Ravens cheer for him when he comes He's our man Go go get him Get him Go go get him Get him Oh my god

Look at this facial hair Can I see this ponytail You have a bun? I've got a man bun What is happening Oh my god Yeah I haven't cut my hair since my son was born

Oh, my gosh. Wait, how old is your son, right? Finn is over two. So he's two years and three months now. Oh, your daughter is six months. Oh, your daughter is almost seven months. Wow. You had two COVID babies.

I have two COVID babies. What the hell else was there to do? There was nothing else to do. There was nothing else to do. You're not wrong. It was born right January 2020. So we got back to L.A. He was born in Perth.

We got back to L.A. on March 3rd, and the lockdown started two weeks later. Oh, boy. It's been stuck with, but it was great. I got so much time with my kids. I got amazing little dude. She's amazing, he's amazing. I'm ecstatic.

It's what I was put on this planet for. You always wanted to be a dad. I'm a North Carolina boy. Hollywood just ripped me out of my home, but I've always been a North Carolina. Yeah, I love it. It's like, it's the best part of me. It's my motivation. it's my that's my inspiration it's it's it's my purpose and uh has made me a better man in

every respect since i've had children oh you slapped that on a mug give it up for father's day i like that brett did you um grow up you grew up in north carolina or were you just in the south and raised first time i ever lived outside the state was season two in one tree hill so I even went to school there I went to NC State I was born yeah I'm southern through and through

I still remember first time I had a line on Montreal I remember hearing myself and I remember the line first time I was like oh shh what was the line

come on Nathan I'm just trying to wean I'm trying to wean oh my God it's perfect is that how I talk oh my gosh I was way too Southern.

No. It was perfect. It was great. I mean, look, there's so many different southern dialects and there's such a specific North Carolina dialect, the wean, the can'tser, like, there were certain words that we had to say all the time that are just like incredibly Carolina. It was like, Tree Hill was not in North Carolina, but Tim was. So it was like, I had to move a little bit.

I loved it. We were just talking about how. wonderful and charming it was to watch the scene in this episode where we're all at Karen's planning the fundraiser and to see you know the the popular high school kids you know Tim and Payton and Brooke

with all the Rivercourt kids and the melding of those groups but Tim's hip he's a varsity athlete like that's the setup of the beginning of the show anyway even if they gave you a lot of that like sidekick slapstick comedy and I think they just gave you so much of it because you were so good at it like you took anything. You're the only person that could do it.

You took anything on a page that was a suggestion of something funny and you made it hilarious. And so they just kept giving you that. Thank you. That's very kind. They should have paid you better, bro. Yeah. Yeah, did. It was so nice to see all those Carolina boys

like sitting around a table kind of shooting the shit. It felt really good. And the three of us were kind of reflecting on we wish we'd gotten to have so much more of that. Like, we had that all the time. Like, I don't know if you guys, but we got together. I hung out way more with the ball players on the team than the cast in a way. I grew up, you know, I won a state championship in North Carolina.

I was in high school. I'm the only white kid to ever play at my high school, ever, still. Really? Wow. Still, there's. What was your high school? Dudley high school. My high school team, we were the number one.

ranked public school in the nation. We were number 12 in the country, my senior year. Brendan Haywood, who played with LeBron and played in the NBA, he was my high school center. We had three straight state player of the years on the team. So a sophomore, a junior, a senior, when they were seen. Like, we had a ridiculous high school. We lost to Oak Hill, and then we lost in double overtime to like a state school who was runner up the year before. So we lost two games all year. And I missed the O'Kill game because I had a play. Because I was in a play. What was the play? I wasn't, I was doing, never saw another butterfly, which was a story about concentration camps. Oh my God. A boy and a girl that wrote letters

to each other across the wall. And it was like competition theater. So we had like the state play. So I had to go because I was Hansa. I was the lead in the play. So I had to miss the game to go do the play. So you had a state play off with a playoff. Yeah, but so in North Carolina there was state theater. I went to Weaver which in Greensboro, there was

a school that if your school didn't offer a program, you could do it at this. It was all the schools in the county. And it was the county theater. So it was two periods, fifth and six period. And it was like the best actors from the area. And it was like really cool to get into.

They won the state play. every other year because they wouldn't let you win it back-to-back years. It was just a really cool. I've been doing theater since I was in six years old doing children's theater. Like I was always love theater. And I always would do that. Like I would find when I was a kid, there's videos of like I would, we did Winnie the Pooh and I gave my character a really strong Southern accent, even though it wasn't in the script.

Like it was always like trying to make the audience laugh. But I just never saw it as a career. And then I was interesting. for architecture. Yeah, I went to school for architecture. That's what my degree was in. I had an architecture job. Yeah, I'm, I was an architect. I worked at a firm for two years before, um, once you're ill. I quit my job two weeks before college because my theater professor was like, you should go try this. And I was like, wait, you, you can make it from North Carolina to act. So I quit my job. First job in Wilmington was delivering pizzas. That's why I was a pizza boy in

season five. Stop it. They were trying to think we just lost. She'll come back. She'll be back. She's got country. Yeah.

Anyway, they did that on purpose to kind of like, it was like a little poke. But, okay, so you, okay, wait a second. So you got a job as a pizza delivery in real way. Yeah, Domino's. And then how do you end up on One Tree Hill from that? Yeah. I did Dawson's Creek before.

Okay. So I was actually cast in the season finale of, series finale of Dawson's and the pilot of Montreal at the same time. What? So I didn't get to do Dawson's. I had to do Montreal instead. You are blowing my mind right now because the fact that there's a whole chunk of your

life I'm realizing none of us knew because you came in with the basketball team. Yeah. We all literally thought you auditioned playing basketball out of college. Like you feel like a CIA agent to me right now. You had a whole other life we didn't even know about. I knew the Finn Canons. I'd been there about six months. I knew the Finn Canons.

I was actually out of town and I drove back because you guys knew, I'm not going to mention, but my girlfriend's mother passed away in between me auditioning and me getting the part. So I was in Texas. I drove back from Texas

because her mother was in the hospital. I got to, I had actually sent in to the Fincanons a video of me playing basketball just because you're doing a basketball show. You only know me as an actor. He was me playing ball. I was just, I sent a letter to Craig Fincanon. I was like, I didn't know how it worked. I was like, I'm just going to hustle. And hey, I got in on Friday. I audition on Friday. I knew they had open tryouts for basketball. So I was like,

hey, can I come? And they're like, it's just for extras. I was like, I'll come anyway. Because I knew. And like, I can't. There's like 200 people there. I knew. I knew. Yeah. There's 200 people. there. We did three on three on two drills, which we're doing like a weave drill. I go down the first time down. I like fake this way. I wrap the ball around behind my back. The guys laid all the guys like I know some of the guys because I play ball. But like they all go up. I'm backing down the court on defense and I'm pointing up at Mark. Like I literally pointed it. Oh my God. That is fire. So then the continuation of the story, they had us come. They had somebody else's picture on the wall for Tim. He's a friend of mine.

Actually, I knew who the guy was. So they already had somebody else they had selected. And then Mark told me I got the part. And the full true, true story is my phone rang a minute later. And her mother had just passed away. Oh, my goodness. Not missing your name, Hillary, but you know who it was. Yeah, yeah.

I drove back from Texas to be with her. And I stayed in Wilmington because I wanted the part. And it was always painful because she wanted me with her. And I couldn't go see her. And I got the part, but it was literally. hand in hand. So it's why I was so protective over her the whole time because I told her mother I would look over her and watch over her. And she's doing amazing. You did. Now she has children. She's yeah. Yeah. But it was crazy that we're all grown up with kids now. You know what I

mean? Like it's I'm not grown up. Who are you talking about? I've got pictures. I've got pictures that I took on the pilot on like a film camera where I still had to like go take it over to the Costco and get the film developed and you two were together in those pictures and like chad's a baby and Juan I have a picture of Antoine like chewing with his mouth open like he's a baby oh man I miss those days so fun they were fun baby baby yeah babies I have I literally have a photo album that's how old it was yeah yeah flip through yeah yeah yeah really yeah for sure will you post pictures we post pictures I'm like please send us some of these photos let me Yeah, there's, yeah, I can post something.

You're going to have to edit. Wait, wait, wait, but Brett, I mean, yes, I want to see whatever you have in that photo album. But I also want to know, do you think the FinCannons have video of that basketball day? Because we need it. Like that audition? Somebody has to. Come on. Because that's where we met Jabar and Vaughan was there.

Narion and all those guys. Yeah, all those kids. Because we used to all, when you play. ball and that's just like part of your passion you go to a new city and you're like where are the pickup courts yeah yeah we actually all played pickup before like i used to go to mp park which is where michael jordan grew up playing and like it was all hood people one of my dudes i brought some white dudes there they didn't know how it worked they said too much and he got his tooth knocked out and like good out of his mouth because he said the wrong thing kind of good maybe not

But like we all balled together in like these rough neighborhoods and then we end up on a TV show together. So we're like, oh. So wait, who'd you know from before? Who were you hanging out? I had balled with back before. I had balled with Darian before. I bawled with Jabar before. Daniel came down from, I think, Carolina or somewhere.

So I hadn't played with him. I think I'd probably played with Vaughn before. Oh, Vaughn is so fun. And Vaughn was like really. baller in high school. Like, yeah. Yeah.

Like, yeah, we all just kind of, some of us knew each other, some of us didn't. But yeah, there has to be video of that day of where like we met the Ravens for the first time.

Oh, we're going to get it. Yeah, get it. I love all our team photos. Like, I always get happy when fans tack us in our, like, team photos with the whole cheerleading squad with the whole basketball team. Yeah.

So cute. Because the line between fact and fiction has gotten just thinner and thinner and thinner as we've gotten older. There was a, show behind the show at all time. What do you remember about getting to Wilmington and getting to know this whole crew, all the people that you didn't know before?

The beauty of what I worked with the crew before One Tree Hill, right? Did you do summer catch? I did Dawson's. Oh, right. And I did a bunch of other things on the lot. Like, I was, like, I was a, like, I just didn't know the world. I was just like, I'm going to break my way in. So I started as a PA

Yeah Then I started as an extra Then I met my agent as an extra Then I started auditioning And then I booked everything So like In Wilmington I booked like Seven straight jobs

So that's what I went out of town And the Finn Canons were like You should come back And I was like That was kind of like They would just If I went in the room I felt like I was gonna walk out of the room

With the job Wow what a great That's a dream feeling for an actor I didn't know L.A. I didn't know how I feel that long. Hey, by the way, like neither did I, though. And I think maybe that's why we became friends, Brett, because I was incredibly intimidated by L.A. And you were also like, I don't know what I'm doing out there. Like, it was scary because we came from the East Coast. And when you're a young actor, all that pressure to like go to L.A. and make it and do pilot season and like do all those kinds of rituals that were told are the things that you're supposed to do. That didn't work for me, you know. No, and it, and it was weird for me because I didn't know L.A. enough to be like the times where I'm like, wait, I mean, the hierarchy, I was always someone like, people told me I'd never

make the basketball team at my school, right? People told me I'd never get into architecture school. People have told me my whole life what I couldn't do. And I love the ability to prove them wrong. So, yeah, in this world, in this way, yeah, to my detriment. minute at times. In this world, I, there was a hierarchy. I didn't get it. I was like, oh, I can work my way to where I want to be. You guys are all flying to TRL. I'm like, why am I still here at our house? Like, that looks fun. And I didn't get it. Wait, because you guys all live together, right?

Yeah, the first week, two weeks, Chad, James and I live together. The rest of the season, James and I live together. Yeah, I remember all that. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls, became,

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I came to garden. Oh, my God. You had that creepy ass haunted house. And Hillary, I will never forget, you and I went over there with, like, bags of stuff from bedbath and beyond because we were like, we cannot let them live like this. That was my fault. That was all my fault. You picked out that house.

All the blame. Because they were gone, and I'm like a North Carolina boy. We're rinsed like $400 a month And I'm like, I'm making it I'm a pizza boy And they're like, get us a house And I'm like, oh This looks cool

Oh my gosh Your cell was strong Brett's like we've got a place On the beach On the water You can see the water From between the openings in the crypt You can see the water

Guys it was a brick house at the beach. It was like they had like gargoyles. And can all of you know that house? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. It was covered in gargoyles. Gargoyles and those like scary metal awnings from like the 1930s that are spiky.

I was 203. The tetanus awnings. I had never looked at houses in my life. It's amazing. I was a resident advisor for three years in college. Yeah. I never lived off campus. I get it.

Like, so I didn't know. And then they, and then I didn't even see the house. because I was in Greensboro. I come back and I'm like, ooh, I felt the same way. I was just trying to hold on. I guess that's right. We didn't have like Zillow or Airbnb.

That's right. Look at it on the internet. I was just telling the girls that there was a summer in college where my best friend and I who roomed together at USC were like, well, we got to get an apartment. We're obviously not moving home,

but we couldn't afford an apartment. So we got a studio and we just put two beds in, just like Brooke and Haley did in the end of season two. We just were like, yeah, we can go sleep in this room. It'll be fine. We can eat in here. Who cares?

We're not going home. 100%. I get it, dude. It's a struggle when you're a kid. I was young and I was like, Hillary, you've said one time, you were like, oh, you were immature. And I'm like, I've thought about that since you said. And I actually am still happy because I'm still immature.

There's just a difference between an immature 44-year-old and an immature 23-year-old. I was too young to be picking houses. I did my best I failed We moved on All of us were Dude you picked a weird house I picked an apartment

That I loved Except I didn't consider the fact That it was over a bar When I went to look at it At like 2 p.m. And my first night In my first apartment in Wilmington I was like I've made a grave mistake

See I lived above a bar And I was like This is the best choice I've ever made Coming from New York Hillary's like this is like midday Yeah So quiet in New York. I invested in good earplugs and then I was okay.

Obviously, okay enough that I gave myself amnesia because the last two years I was there, I lived over a bar again. Yes. I love that. I need, especially coming, like, you know, he'll come in from East Coast and from New York, when I moved to California, first thing I saw it out was noise at night. It drove me crazy that I, it was, I had moved to an apartment. A friend of mine had a room open up in Beverly Hills, and I moved into this place on Olympic. Oh, so quiet. And it was so deadly quiet.

It was, I could never sleep. I needed the noise. So I love that about Wilmington. I still sleep wearing earplugs. Like, New York could train me on that when you got 5 a.m. call times, like I had to live on now I can't sleep without them. I sleep in earplugs and a pillow over my face like just like a small breathing home. A pillow that's just for being over my head.

How do you set an alarm if you're wearing ear plugs? I have two kids. Just jump on your head. The alarm's loud enough to wake me up. And, but yeah, I couldn't, the trash trucks at 4 a.m. in New York and, like, no, couldn't, couldn't sleep, couldn't sleep. But you were in New York for years. I did two years on a soap. Yeah, that's right.

And that was a really big deal, Brett. It was, it's the, it's the proudest thing. Well, as an actor, it's the proudest thing in my career. I think I've done sense that I'm more proud of at this point. but it's hard work that's a lot of hard work yeah but how often in your career as an actor do you get to change the real world and have an effect on the real world we were the first gay love story in the history of daytime television we were the first gay love scene in the history of television period was it one life or all my children one one life to live one life what years

were you on uh 2008 to 2010 so when we started the storyline gay marriage was not legal in the United States when we ended it it was legal in five states which is amazing big part of that. My gosh, you have to look this up right now. Yeah. Waving that flag of like, you know, I worked with Chris Scott Evans, Chris Evans brother. And there was, you know, it was personal to a lot. It was a very difficult time for me as a man.

And it was an incredibly important part of my story of becoming who I am now. And like, you know, being from North Carolina at a time where that was a hot topic and being able to, one, as an actor, you know, it's, you know really instantaneously when you kiss someone of the same sex, whether or not you're homosexual or heterosexual, you know, it taught me a lot as a man of like, you know, the, just that topic at that time, you know, being a 30-year-old in New York. And, but it also, it, it just was, it was a lot of, you know, it was a lot of, a lot to shoulder at that time of like who I was when I started the role versus who I was when I ended it of like who am I and what do I stand for and you know equality was so part so important

to me of why I took the role which I wasn't cast in that role they cast me something else and three months later they're like this is your part and I had to like think about that but it was yeah I look back and during the time and after it like it was just one of the things I'm most proud of in my entire life. Do you feel like that experience taught you how to be an advocate, like how to put yourself in other people's shoes? Yes, a lot. Yes. I mean, like I said, I was a resident advisor for three years. I went through a lot of like training. You know, I went through a lot of experiences during that time with, you know, how to be a how to be someone that listens and processes and you know we have two ears in one mouth for a reason right we'll put on

this planet to listen more than we speak it's hard hard for me to say that because I talk but yeah so so if I would say I mean you you don't know what someone else is going through until you walk in their shoes right and I spent two years you know there were times where so many people questioned my actual placement in this world in the real world because of a part I was playing, right? I went through some element of that with my family, with people I grew up with, you know, being a voice that's supposed to represent that community in some small way. So I absolutely learned how to be an ally and an advocate and like empathize so much with that. but also, to me, the fact that it was an issue at all was appalling.

Yeah. You know, that's because I said this when I took the role, my job as an actor is just to tell the truth. And the truth of this is these two human beings love each other. What else matters? Like, why do we fight so hard to get in the way of love? We should create pathways and roadways and causeways to, create more love in the universe and then our world.

So that's what I knew from day one, I learned more of what the struggle was through that process. What you're talking about is why we get into storytelling as actors in the first place is to be able to tell stories that affect change, but also you learn how to walk in other people's shoes by just being efficient at your job and doing the research and talking with people who are similar to your character and, you know, finding your way, I don't know anyone who's a good actor that doesn't know how to really empathize.

I mean, that truly is our job, you know. Maybe that's why so many of us are messy because we empathize, you know, like our whole job is to be able to feel all the feelings. And so how do you turn it off when you go home at the end of the day? literally 11 years later I have tears coming up from the funny I was so proud of you honestly

because you know we have had to reckon with some things on this show as we've watched it back together of like that didn't age well you know

and this whole season two is the Anna storyline where Danielle Alonzo is coming out on our show and our show did some like dorky stuff But that's one storyline that I think was handled really well. I wish she would have stuck around.

But you're right. The conversation in 2008 was 100% different than the conversations that we're having now. And you contributed to making that easier for people. That's a big deal. How many moms watch One Life to Live that all of a sudden are like, oh, I'm going to go talk to my son about his attraction. or the person he loves, and it's okay. That's where I really understood the gravitas of it

was the fan mail. Really? That's where, yeah, there were dozens and dozens of those type, you know, I wish Cameo Existed Ben. Oh, I really do. Fan mail is amazing. You guys, I just went through my storage unit and I found bins of fan mail that I still didn't answer

because I'm so, you know, ADD that I just didn't. It was just like piled up in a thing. But I did go through some of them. And it is. It's so cool to see the things that people were affected by and what they're going through. I mean, and we still see it all the time. The fans that will come out to the conventions. You did so much in that regard.

Like you are heroes and best friends and confidants and in some ways role models, which sometimes I'm sure you've. are like uh maybe this isn't the show that you'd want to be not today but like that that you did so much for young women and now older women and like i i applaud who you call an old yes i'm saying older women who like the one beautiful thing about this show is like we now connect with mothers and their daughters who both isn't that weird it's so cool i know it makes It blows my mind now that I see when I, again, we do the conventions and we see the people that come out. Have you got to do any conventions?

You have. I've seen you at several. The last convention I went to, there's a video of like Brett and I, like, totally wasted behind the DJ Boots. Oh, my God. Jammit. Oh, my God. You're one of the last people I saw before quarantine. Yeah.

Oh, my God. Yeah, those things are, those things are wild. They're so fun. It started as a show about basketball, but it legitimately became a show about, I, I believe. leave you ladies, you know, you really cared. And I think at that time, like, I look back on it and I'm like, it was so important. I, it would not have the, I just saw Ben McKinsey at Bitcoin, Miami. Like, we talked, first time we'd ever know. Oh, I saw you post about that. Yeah, like, I'd never met him before. We just did a little interview and I talked to him. And you were like,

whatever, you're a rival. That's us. That's kind of what we said. But like, I, I saw. I, I believe the reason this show carried was because of the storylines, the work that you ladies did because it became about more. It was a basketball show that how long can that run? And it became about so much more. And I think you guys really carried that torch and just did a great job. And I think you mean so much to people. So when I talk about One Life to Live and how I feel there,

and that's what you guys did with this show. Brett, has your wife seen Wentry Hill? Never. She will not. What? What? Nope. But you're so funny.

You're so good. I don't see it. I'm like, I'm a one-note character. It is. No. You're not at all. You're wrong.

Yeah, there was, there was no depth. There was no, like, I kept begging. You're wrong. You're wrong. I haven't watched.

You've gone back and watch yourself. I haven't watched the show. No. You haven't. Brett. You need to watch. I think more casting directors needed to watch that damn show.

I know I'm being, okay, I'm being obstinate. I'm saying you're wrong. wrong. But here's why. Let me explain exactly why you're wrong. I love. I love. I've never been one to shy away from an argument telling someone why they're wrong. God. Sorry. Okay. Here's why I think you're wrong. Because there are so many people, and we've said this multiple times whenever you're in a scene, there are so many people who could show up and see those lines on the page and do them one note,

one dimensional, with no depth or anything. The fact is that you are interesting to watch because you always are thinking. Regardless of whether Tim is thinking about dumb things or weird things or nothing, you are thinking through Tim. And it's interesting to watch anyone who is thinking. There's a lot of actors who come up and they show up and all their thinking is say this line, my brain is totally empty and then I'm going to walk over here and I do the thing. And you didn't. You didn't. You always had something going on internally. And we saw it as an audience member and that's why we all fell in love with you and that's why the audience fell in love with you and that's why you kept coming back to the show there is no world

in which you were a one-note actor and to add to joy's point it it's an amazing thing for us having started this show to go back and re-watch our TV show and we see things we didn't see that you know we would catch an episode here and there but mostly we were working and it is so clear from this sort of bird's-eye view vantage point of being adults. All of us have gone and worked on other things. We've all produced other things. We know what it is. We're not as clueless and unaware, you know, as we were when we were just kind of bopping around doing what we were told.

Bopping around is the perfect way to describe it. We were just bobbing around. Like, we didn't know anything, you know. And we were like little ducklings, and now we're grown. and you are so much fun to watch and nobody knew back then what we know now but you're you know we were just a group of friends doing dumb shit your talent going back and watching it as grownups is like so next level and it's crazy to hear things that we all realized we didn't know because we just thought we all kind of got plucked out of college. Like, duh, of course your perspective was so

good. You had other things in your toolkit that nobody else did. He's a real basketball pro. It's amazing. I would just- Theater God. It's an architect. What? Episode one, like the pilot, like, it said Tim Smith, six-four chiseled. I'm like, that's not me. Is that really what the description was? I'm pretty sure it was. He was supposed to be a power for it. He was supposed to be big guy. Oh, no way. Not me at all. So I would just...

You were chiseled. That's true. You were, yeah. You're chiseled? I played a lot of soccer. But I just looked at each scene like I'm a supporting actor. The scene's not about me. So what does the scene need?

Yeah. What kind of energy does this moment need? Your timing was impeccable always. Oh, I appreciate that. It's true. I don't, I remember it so differently. So it means, it really means. But tell us, though, because you added a layer of vulnerability to everything.

You know, it's like Tim talks a big game, but you also see the like little kid in him when we watch the show back. Yeah. And I know just from like talking to you, there, and from our experience, there was a layer of vulnerability to being a young actor on a hit TV show where there's no footing, where you're. where you're constantly being told like you're lucky to have a job kids you know like how much of that real life vulnerability bled into what you were doing I was you know there's a thin line between confidence and cockiness very thin line I played on that line my whole life like I just tightrope that line so in some ways that I was told that so much you know like I was that was beat into my head, 33 episodes.

You know, season two, I was flying myself back to women. Stop it. You know, season two, Lee and I were roommates in L.A. They would put him in a car and take him to the airport. I would have to get myself to the airport. I would have to fly myself. I would have to find a place to stay.

They would not put me up for like eight episodes. I've done 20 episodes at this point. You know? So there was always this little, like, underlying thing of like you know you're lucky that we gave you this job never you earn this job you're lucky you got this part never you deserve this you know but i grew up in a household um i love my family i'll say that but i grew up in a household where um verbal affirmation was not a you know um i was always trying to prove myself through like sports and through school and like get good grades and pay my way through college and like, but was never necessarily receiving the words

that I wanted to hear. So I was kind of groomed for this. And I was like, cool, then let me go get be better. Are you the oldest? I'm the youngest. Oh, you're the baby. My dad had a stroke when I was 14 in front of me playing basketball. So we, I grew up like my, my brother and sister were gone. So I'm a little bit of a younger child, a little bit of an only child. Yeah. I went through things where it was like, I just knew, I even, when I first started on Montreal on my wall in front of me before I lived with, I had written in Sharpie. It said, I will not fail. It was just the first thing I saw every morning and I woke up because it was like, I know that the only time I will ever fail at anything is when I give up. Otherwise, it just hasn't happened in the time frame you expected

it to. But the only failure is actually giving up. So I was like, great, it just was fuel for me. Keep telling me, I don't deserve this. Keep telling me I shouldn't move to L.L. Keep telling me I won't get another job. Keep telling me whatever you want to tell me. God, they loved that, didn't they? Well, you'll never get another job. People work for me. Yeah, yeah.

And it's like, great. I'm now on another job and I'm not available. So you can wait for my next job. That's a fun feeling, right? It was good. I'm unavailable. I remember Lee telling Hillary when I booked a movie, Lee, like, came back and was like,

yeah, Hillary was telling, congrats for booking a movie. Like you guys were like, knew I booked something. So I was like, you know, I just, it was motivation. It was really f***ed up. And I was, you know, I was just too fragile to show it. And I masked everything with comedy. So like, it was who I was in real life too. That's why I didn't really become a good actor until one life to live. That's when I, I don't know, but, but you're wrong. Because I think your ability to do dramatic work really, really shows.

itself in your comedy, you know? And so it's weird to me that you, you know, went from doing all the heavy lifting with the comedy on our show to doing something so serious right afterwards. Were you funny on One Life to Live? Did you get to be funny? No, that was, I mean, it's the last job I ever did, and you'll know why when I say this.

I got pre-nominated for an Emmy my first season. Yeah, you did. And I'm walking in with my Emmy reel, and the EP calls me in, and he says, tomorrow's your last day in the job. What? I got five because we were doing a gay love story we were in Bible Belt soap operas

ABVE Network Plus when I started that There were five soaps in New York When I finished we were the last one There was already the Exodus Yeah those shows were They were cleaning everything out Everything's in L.A

It was too expensive to be in New York Yeah It was just a randomness of I'm turning in my Emmy reel and I don't have a job. So I kind of got rid of all my reps and I was like, I need a break. And we started the company

and I haven't acted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the company. Well, I co-founded the largest crowdfunding platform in the world for live streaming. We've raised hundreds of millions of dollars for charities since 2014. We have over 3,000 charities on the platform.

So that's what I co-founded is. So you live stream, is it concerts? Is it like 10,000? head talk kind of stuff like what is it what do you stream i produce game for paul with the cast of furious seven to raise money for paul walkers charity yeah paul passed away i worked with cody and ben and diress and michel and so we did that for four years um tiltify is basically we democratized the jerry lewis telethon model so i was you guys probably remember played lots of video games back in the day i went to architecture school so we designed what's now known as an esports arena

but we designed it in 2008 um did my first event in 2011 had Zach Ephron and Chris Evans and Michael Strait and Snoop and we had Rampage Jackson versus the Miz and UFC fighting in front of 800 people. We were on e-news and Access Hollywood and I would walk into CA and William Morris

and they're like, nobody's ever going to watch people play video games. Literally, quote, that's what they told me. Which is insane. It's insane. It's in 2011. Nobody Twitch didn't exist. None of the gaming existed. I just used to throw these big Super Bowl events

and we would play like Madden in the slide room and more people would come watch us play Madden and we're watching the Super Bowl so I had like this epithic and it's like the architecture side of like see the problem before and move so then Twitch launch

so we pivoted we stopped doing events we launched we built the platform we launched the platform it's now what every Twitch streamer YouTube streamer uses to raise money for charity and then I launched Humblehouse in 2019 which was saying look

There's a shift. Twitch is no longer about gaming. They need more premium content. We're going to be a premium content provider, but for digital. And then the pandemic kit. So during the pandemic, I produced and directed all the live script reads for the Democratic Party. We did Dase and Confused with Matthew McConae. We did Rocky Horror, which Joy, you would have loved. We had 17 different musical performances from Pearl Jam. We had the Grateful Dead. We had David Arquette. They all did music videos. We had Tim Kurt. We raised over a million. for Wisconsin. We did final tap for Pennsylvania.

We did the Goonies with the original cast. And during the inauguration, Jake Tappas. I remember Brett telling me, he was like, hey, I'm doing this thing. It's real, Hillary. It's not like, it's real. My company's real. And I was like, I know. They talked about us on CNN during the inauguration.

They said it was the most impressive use of Hollywood they've ever seen. And now we've launched Solis. So, like, it's, now we're. into Web 3 and all about giving talent. Wait, what's Web 3? Hold on. Hold on. I'm a grandma. You have to go back. What's Web 3? NFTs, Web 3. Oh, Christ. I don't. Listen, guys. Basically, Hillary, what I'm going to tell you the future is and what we're doing, giving talent the ability to work with their communities to green light their own content. So turning people like ourselves from employees to owners of their own IP. God. That's the dream, Brett. You did it.

Well, we're doing it. So we just announced our first film slate. Variety put out our film slate. Wow. We're really built an ecosystem. It's a token-driven ecosystem with a marketplace that allows communities to engage in content like never ever ever. I'm so proud of you, man. This is so cool.

Does that mean, are you just going to fund all the shit that Joy Sophia and I want to do? No, you're going to fund it yourself. I mean, okay, yeah, that works too. Okay, great. It's new. Like, it's this, it's this going back to where I started of, like, getting fired in my email in my hand. Like, I, Twitch streamers, YouTubers, they have all this power over their, their careers.

Yeah. And in our careers, you're told when your career ends. Yeah. Yeah. You're not in control of that. Isn't that amazing? It all goes back to that moment for you when somebody told you this is over. And that, you know, again, it goes back to that part of you that's always like, tell me,

tell me one more time. Tell me one more time. It's not going to work. I'll make it work. So, yeah, for real. So, like, that's what, you know, I've been doing this for a decade now, working with talent to engage their communities in ways that accomplishes their goals, which was raising money for charity.

We built schools in Senegal with Travis Van Winkle and Andy Grammer. We, you know, raise money for Reach Out Worldwide, Paul's charity, or, you know, done a ton of things for charity. And now it's about because of Web3 and because of what we're launching and it's not Kickstarter. It's like securitized. It's fully regulated, so, like, communities can actually participate in the success. Amazing. You know, like, we can.

Oh, man, I got some stuff to talk to you about. This is exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. So what is the next big thing that we can direct people to? What's going on this summer that we can direct people to? I mean, we're still building. So, like, I wouldn't necessarily direct any.

We're all about long form. So we're in the middle of, like, raising money and equity and tokens and all that. Is there a website, though, or a social platform that you would suggest people go to learn more and follow along? S-O-L-S-O-L-I-S-O-I-O. We named our company Solis because the sun doesn't discriminate who it shines its light upon. And that's what the company is based on. It's, you know, we can all, everything grows from sunlight, so it's all about that. So Solis.com.

Soos.io is our website. We actually have tons of them. We have Solis Labs. dot i.o we have solace studios.com cool humble house. So we have social solace underscore i.o on Twitter but we just hired a really big PR firm so it's going to

start getting a lot more presence and visibility awesome. Yeah. We're so proud of you. Where's Tim today? Okay so we know where Brett Claywell is today. Gone from like being a basketball god in high school theater genius. Yeah what's Tim most likely to have? Yeah what's

Tim up to? Tim loves his own dominoes at this point. Like not What does Tim do? Like, I swear to God, I was so, I wanted him to have more depth. And, like, I as the character who played Tim, like, where is Tim? Didn't Tim and Bevin get married and have a kid? I think they did, yeah. Yeah.

So Tim's paying child support. Like, that's the best we can expect. Oh, yeah. Like, he would have paid it. But they're definitely, you couldn't be married to Tim for longer than 20 years. No, but I'm still friends with the Tims of my high school, and I cherish those boys. I think those boys grow up sometimes to be nice guys. They do.

I mean, I was, yeah, they, they do. I didn't say he was a, I mean, he had a good heart. He never did anything, you know, intentionally wrong. He was a puppy dog. He was a sweet guy. So he's still doing the right thing. He's probably just struggling to make ends meet, to be honest. It may look different, but native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for the hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native show. runner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories,

such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, let's spin a wheel, shall we?

Yeah, do you know about this? We spin a wheel, brat, for most likely two. Like in the high school yearbook. For our superlatives on the show. Okay. Will you spin the wheel with us? Yes, I'll spend the wheel with it. Let's do it.

So you got to help us pick somebody who this is in real life and on the show. We get two answers. Okay. I like this one. somebody read it okay most likely to go have a cooking show okay okay so which character on the show is going to have a cooking show i mean that bevin feels like it i was just gonna say it she'd be like giata just stirring bowls in her bosom yeah yeah with her strong arms that are good hair that's right Lisa Goldstein, I think, could have also, or Millie, Millie.

I mean, Karen owns like a cafe. That's what I was good. Karen would have been my choice. That's true. That's a good point. But Karen would have turned into like, yeah, she would have been like a guru. She'd have like books and like she'd have brands and Target. Like Karen would have blown up in that world.

I like that. Wait, does anybody have a cooking show in real life from our show? I feel like, I think it's you, Hillary. I think you should have a cooking show. It's kind of you, babe. But I don't have a cooking show. But you should. No, but you published a book with recipes in it.

But you have to put it on a network where you can cuss. Yeah. Well, that's been the problem. You guys, you know, we shopped a Mischaf Farm show, and everyone wanted me to really, like, sanitize it and be all, like, squeaky clean. And I was like, sorry. No?

Not happening. You take us or you leave us. Yeah, take us or leave us. All right, maybe one day. Sign here, kid. George, do you want a cooking show? no she doesn't she's just like you just like princess pizza right yeah um so tim you'd be a big hit in the morgan house because this one only eats pizza tim would that's what we're having for dinner

tonight yeah yeah just bring him over like in season five no i'm saying like tim the character yeah tim coming through the door and the door locking behind him it was delicious i loved that episode well you you have to you have to come back for that one i will absolutely that was the one episode that I actually like really enjoyed that was fun that was fun it was fun to come back and be like hey guys what's that what's that I loved taking over the world oh I miss you so much when are we going to see you again when are you coming east I would love to see you all I really are you in L.A right now I'm in L.A yeah now we're going okay literally going to can for the first time congratulations that's awesome Texas and New York I'm traveling a lot right now we're just in Miami

But I would love to see you all. Hey, do you want to say a big fuck you to all the people that told you you couldn't do it? I want to say a thank you because I wouldn't. Oh, what a good boy. Sweet North Carolina boy. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say you when we're offline.

Okay. We love you, Brett. Thank you so much for coming to hang out with us. Kiss them babies. Thanks for coming. It's so nice to see you. Bye. You guys, that was actually, that was a nice conversation.

I'm glad that we got to catch up. Me too. I totally feel what he was saying about being told that you're not enough. Yeah. And then to come and just like kick all the ass feels so good. It feels so good. Well, we're going to explore it next week, season two, episode 22, the tide that came and never went back. I think there's lots of ass kicking that Dan is probably preparing to attempt to do.

And how are Brooke and Luke is going to be rooming? Yeah, that's going to be real interesting. Right? Oh, my. They're just friends. And nothing more. Nothing more. Wow. Oof.

Come back and see us next week, guys. See you next week. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at Drama Queen's O-T-H. Or email us at Dramaquins at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time.

We're all about that high school drama. drama girl all about them high school queens we'll take you for a ride and our comic girl cheering for the right team drama queens drama queens smart girl rough girl fashion but you'll tough girl you could sit with us girl drama queen drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens drama queens it may look different but native culture is alive my name is nicole garcia and on burn sage burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop. That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first native comic bookshop.

Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.