Dreamscapes Podcasts - #Dreamscapes Episode 151: On-The-Job Training

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

Brady Foulk ~ https://www.instagram.com/nddogtraining

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we have our friend Brady Folk from Austin, Texas. He is, I'm going to read this out verbatim because I'm terrible. My memory sucks. A dog training expert empowering dogs, puppies, and their owners to have more success at home and around town while having fun. We're going to get right back to him in two seconds. For my part, would you kindly like, share, subscribe, tell your friends.

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That's all right. Back to Brady. Thank you for being here. I appreciate your time. I appreciate you too. I'm excited to talk about dreams, dogs, anything kind of under the sun. I want your audience to know if they catch themselves nodding while they're listening. You're in the right place.

We're going to talk about everything, like I said, And just to pre-frame about dogs, too, and just learning in general. I like to move around, stay active while we talk. They showed that the average dog can learn about 160 words. And that's Pomeranians, Chihuahuas, Maltese, German shepherds, border collies, all of them, right? I had no idea. Some of the difference. I know, right?

You can say, most people don't. And I'm pretty sure your dog's capable of learning at least 30, 40, you know? I don't know why that's more than most people dream of. Yeah. So I just want to say I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me. That's very cool. Yeah,

it's good to have you too. And I mean, I've got, as everyone knows, if you've ever watched an episode, I got a dog, I got cats all over the place. And lately,

I mean, one of the things I love about, say, like Twitter is I follow a lot of cats at work or why you should have a duck or here's amazing dogs. I saw this one, um,

it was a it was a sheep dog at work and I don't remember the context of the thing but it was like just watch this amazing thing and the dogs the video they looked at the dog the dog's like can I go can I go can I go are we doing this and then he gets the command he's off like a rocket and he just rounds them all up and uh I think there was even videos I saw of younger puppies of a certain variety that were practicing that hurting behavior with like ducks or something I'm going come across all kinds of just cute animal videos. I love it. And I like,

that's really innate to some breeds. They like, they just get it. It's like, this is what I do. And it's in my bones, you know. No,

it really is true. Something's just genetically are in. I'm like, my first dog is, and I saw him, his name is bumblebee. He's an Australian shepherd. And when he was a puppy,

having the same thought, I was like, I want to go take him to her sheep. So I actually signed up for sheep hurting classes with them. And it was one of the most wild experiences ever. because, like, we pull up this dude. He was, like, one or two years old, somewhere in there. And we pull up, and these sheep are much bigger than you imagine.

I'm like, you think they're kind of small, but, nah, they're pretty hefty creatures. And they had some ducks, too, but herding ducks is a whole other level compared to sheep. You've got to be way more gentle, way more skilled. But I brought them in the sheep area, and they're like, all right, how we're going to start by doing this is Brady, you're going to go run around and go herd the sheep. and I'm like, what? And they're like, yeah, you're going to go chase after him and kind of get him out of the corners

and pulling back and your dog's going to follow you. And like, sure enough, like, I started running and chasing the sheep and he kind of picked it up. And it was a while because you'd have to, like, kind of grab onto the sheep too and, like, keep them moving and crazy, crazy experience. But it was cool because you're like, you're in your zone of genius. Your dog, you know. Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. And that is a great thing too of like modeling behavior. Dogs learn a lot about how they're supposed to behave, say, in our environment from us. And I mean, that definitely, that's probably simple. Of course, this is your specialty. And I'm just speaking off what I've gleaned from different sources, just observation. But the idea that you really do have to work with the owner because the dog looks to the owner for cues on how to behave. And if the owner's not giving them consistent signals or.

modeling the right behavior, then of course the dog's going to look like a holy terror because it's like it's, and we, we, and there's also the idea of, of some people think it sounds mean to train a dog, you know, like you're like you're there. Well, some people find it offensive to say you are the dog's master, but it's like they, they look to the pack leader. You know, it's actually natural for them to want someone to show them the way. It's like, you are, you are the boss. You make the, you bring home the bacon and, and tell them when they can eat it. So, you know, it's not really that offensive to say, yeah, you got. You got. You got. You. You are, you are the boss. You make the, you make the, you know, you know, you know, you to train a dog. They can't stay a puppy forever or that's when they chew up your shoes, right? Yeah, for sure. And I have an incantation and I say, now I am the voice. I will lead, not follow. And in that, I don't mean lead other people. I mean, I'll lead myself. Like, I'll follow my morals and values, right? And for me, there's three different types of leaders. You can have leaders who rule by intimidation and sure there's lots of, I used to work for Amazon on and they would run around with like a horn and be like, pack faster, right? And she didn't, she would, you had to talk to, right?

Yeah. There's bosses and companies who lead with incentives and you've got like bonuses and stuff, but the challenge with incentives is you always want more. And the bribe always has to get bigger and bigger. I don't know if you've heard that with your dog or your cat, but you're like, hey, I got some of this. And the next time they're like, what do you got this time, you know? Yeah. And then you got the third class of leaders which lead through growth and contribution.

And that's where I strive to be at. I'm always trying to help people grow and learn. And as you help people do that, it just becomes kind of addicting just to like break through challenges and learn how to progress through things. And I believe a lot in psychology too. So I believe in a lot of Pavlonian classical conditioning, offering conditioning, right? This idea that we do things for two reasons to avoid pain or to gain pleasure. And so it's all kind of a fun puzzle to put together. Yeah, that's interesting too.

And a lot of people may not understand that animals have a psychology as well. They have a brain and it functions in a specific way. And we, you know, animals, a lot of things we learned about human behavior actually comes from animal trials, mice, that kind of thing. How does a mouse run amaze? What can we learn about animal behavior in general and then extrapolate that to, say, humans, which, you know, for good or ill, some of those things don't translate very well.

But the idea that, yeah, your, your pet has, has, you know, like animal psychology is a thing. And it applies to your dog and your cat. It's very, it's a recipe for frustration. Wow. Yeah. Can't talk this morning. A recipe for frustration to have an expectation that cannot, an impossible expectation. So if you want, you know, a cat to not be a cat, you're.

you're just going to have a bad time. You know, they, there is a nature to different types of animals and really understanding, okay, what are their capacities? How do they function within that? And what can you do to get better results?

I mean, you want, you want a companion animal you can enjoy, but you also want them to have a good life. And so that's a lot of that is about that, that type of communication. I don't know if you want to say anything about, how your method facilitates that or,

I don't even know the right questions to ask. I'm not remotely a training expert in any way. Yeah, no. I would imagine you're better than you think you are because we're doing a lot of these things subconsciously all the time, right? And what I like to focus on is the prefrontal cortex. Cats have about like an 8, 9% prefrontal cortex. Dogs have around like 13% pigs, pot belly pigs around 13, 14% too. So they're just as smart, right?

And that's the area of your brain that controls decision making and kind of is pain, versus pleasure aspect of training. So really, and even going beyond that, if you get into this classical conditioning part of it, you could train, I have a guinea pig, right? Even smaller prefrontal cortex. And I can train her to understand associations. And our brain's always making associations.

You know, what does it mean when it's raining or what does it mean when the sky's out or we're always creating all these stories? And so when I knock on the side of her crate, it means I'm going to give her a treat on the second level of her crate. So when she hears the knock, she runs up to the top. And that's just like A, B, C. So you'd be surprised that you can train a spider.

You can train scientists who train plants, which is wild too. And you're like, train a plant. What do you mean? But what I mean is plants can kind of curl up. And when you see plants turn and face the sun too. but they drop plants and the plant learned like it hurt when it hit the ground so it would like curl up into a little ball and then they played a sound it was like beep beep beep and then they dropped it and the plant learned when it heard the beeps to curl up into a ball because it's

about to fall and it's like holy crap that's insane that is amazing yeah i haven't seen that research but i believe it i know there's i also saw what i'm on the internet way too much but i saw another video recently of it was a time lapse, a two-day period of just a couple of potted houseplants and how they were responding to light that was coming through the window and environmental changes in the heat and moisture in the room. And they were, I mean, you think plants just kind of sit there. They're not doing anything, but you time-lapse that and they're like, they're all moving around like doing all kinds of crazy stuff. And I'm like, who knew plants moved that much except in a breeze? That was kind of amazing. I'm like, wow, learn something

every day. Yeah. Fungus, mushrooms, those guys are insane too. There's fungus that eats plastic and you literally have to train it like I've been talking about. That's kind of amazing too. I heard something about that of like, well, we got that, the garbage gyre of plastic out of the ocean.

I think it's just all floating out there. And then there appears to be now a new type of, I don't know, spore, fungus mold, some sea life that is, has adapted to now eating the plastic. And I thought that's great for cleaning the ocean. And I thought that's terrifying if it goes airborne and gets into our kitchen with our Tupperware. Like that thought occurred to me of like, we better be careful or we could have a world where all the plastic gets eaten and we're back to. I mean, maybe we should go back to using metal and or wood containers. I don't know.

It's plastic's an amazing thing. That would be a wild turn of events. I don't know how we couldn't have computers anymore. I mean, if that, I mean, that could, that's probably an apocalypse. No one saw coming. Not to be a downer here. But I'm like, what if we poison the environment just enough? The environment goes, sure, you want us to eat all the plastic?

You got it. Oh, my God. We might see that. The apocalypse, no one saw coming. I said it first. Oh, my gosh. You threw out these vibrations and now I can see it. It's kind of wild.

Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how likely that is. And maybe it's a unique kind of sea life and it'll never go airborne. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a biologist in that sense. but I'm like just these these yeah this is how I do the dream thing too is like my um my brain just

goes oh what if what if this was a thing so but speaking of uh but speaking of uh training animals you know it's it's uh sometimes it's a six of one half a dozen of the other you're not sure who's training who like lately i started okay so i had to um take peanut put him on the head and he looks up what's up what's up dad um i had to take him in to get a bunch of teeth pulled they were rotten and he was having sinus issues. And, you know, here's something that most people may be, okay, brief tangent will come back to the main point. A lot of people haven't heard of, say, reverse sneezing, which is, you know, because an animal, and they have sinus irritation, they sneeze just like people.

But there's a thing where they can get almost like a post nasal drip type of thing. And they have a spasm that gets triggered in their throat. And they make a god awful sound that sounds. like they're dying. Is it? Uh, and just, oh,

and I'm like, what the hell is this? So I brought him in and they're like, this is reverse sneezing. It's actually pretty common. It's a spasm in the throat. It relaxes. The worst thing that could happen,

they pass out by hyperventilating or whatever. And then the spasm relaxes and they'll be fine. But he was doing it like eight, 10 times a day. It was terrifying me. Long story short, I brought him in and he had to get his teeth pulled. I was gone somewhere with this.

So I started, I got him, um, He's got like four little teeth left on one side, and that's how he gets his baby and brings it to me to throw it. We get these lamb chop dolls, which actually seems to be a very popular dog-fetching toy, squeaky toy.

It's lamp-chop dolls. Another tangent. So I got him soft food, elderly dog, science diet, whatever type of stuff. And I started putting that out for him. Well, cats eat it. And now every morning, every morning, I have been trained to they run to the to the plate

where I you know where I'm going to put the food on the ground and they're crying at me like it's breakfast time let's do this they know so I want this guy's diet yeah so if they got me trained I mean well let's say I forgot one day they're not going to let me forget they're there they're sitting where the food's supposed to be

saying what's up yeah funny part is when you feed them a little bit earlier and then they show up again at their normal time and they're like, hey, dinner time. And you're like, dude, you almost got me. But I know I fed you earlier. Yep.

And then they're like, what the heck? It is crazy. They're very. They know the routines, but they also have kind of a sense of the time of day as well. So yeah, if you feed them early and then it's the right time. And I don't know if it's the angle of the sun. How do they know when, you know, it's winter and the sun's already gone down, but it's still dinner time.

Dinner time is now. And then in the summer when the sun's still up, like, nope, still dinner time. Dinner time is now. I don't know how they tell time. but they seem to have some kind of environmental cues. Yeah, and the thing about dogs, too, is they're learning all the time. Like, when you go to bed and do you think they go to bed, they may or may not, they're learning things. They're hearing things.

They're creating associations. So things are always changing with them. They're always adapting and iterating and kind of beautiful and kind of scary at the same time. Yeah, definitely. It is good that they have that adaptive quality because our lives change. I mean, maybe you have a new job. job and now you have a new routine or you're up you have a health problem and it changes your life fundamentally and now their life is different because your life has to be and they're like okay

this is the new normal this is what we're doing now yeah that's that's kind of good otherwise they just stuck in routines and they just freak out yeah no and there's a balance between having like a routine and then there's a balance of understanding that we all grow and we all change And no one wants to go watch the same movie over and over again. So you got to have some variety to your day. For sure. Yeah. That's a tough balance too.

I mean, you need enough predictable structure that the world doesn't feel threatening because it's so chaotic. That's that's like one extreme. And the other one is a rigid structure that it just lacks novelty. And then what are you even doing? Is that living? You know, so you got to have that balance somewhere we're in between of like it's predictable enough.

the routines are a stable structure within which we can kind of almost like play jazz like okay well today let's do something a little differently here in this in this loose part of the day um then again uh one of the one of the favorite routines of you know this his name peanut butter um he he lets me know when it's time like say i'm you know busy doing something else and he may get up and decide it's time during this that happens a lot um he will you know drag his little little lamb chop over to me and he'll just bark at me until I throw it. It's like this is, this is happening. Now is the time when we throw the toy.

And it's hard to say no. Or he barks in me and lets me know. And then he goes and scratches at the doors. Like they're also good. They really do communicate with us too and let us know their needs. All we got to do is be able to read the signs. For sure. And then fixing it, it's not fixing it, but creating a different behavior is always fun

to me because I like to align with you. owners. Like if you don't mind him bringing to your toy, that's like great for me. It's like you guys have a great way of communicating. Some people hate it and they're like, I'm working. Like stop pawing me. Like leave me alone. And it's like your dog has just learned that when he brings you this toy, you throw it. But if you show him when he goes to his bed, then you walk over there and grab his toy and throw it. Then he's like, well, I'm just going to take my toy to my bed and then you're going to walk over there and throw it. And it's like just a subtle little tiny ship. But most people look at like how do I stop this instead of like what do I want them to do instead what would look better

than this and like have fun with it like get creative very important those kind of replacement behaviors I mean that what goes for um one of one of the big things for humans is smoking if you want to quit smoking you need usually you need a replacement behavior something you're going to do instead and a lot of people turn to food by default and gain a bunch of weight uh you know a lot of people take up other vices that are that are similar but uh i was going to go somewhere with that the idea of training. Oh, aligning with the owner. So this, this works, uh, very similarly to, and I mean, honestly, it's all psychology. It's all just the, the, how, how minds work and how, how animals interact with each other in the environment. Um, wait, I lost, I lost it. No, no, no, uh,

alignment. Okay. So psychology, what do we do? Like, I don't have, I don't have a game plan for, say, a client. If they, if they come to me, uh, I don't have a end goal. I seek to impose. I, upon them. They bring to me, say, a problem. And the process is, okay, you have identified this is a problem. Whatever it is, it's not working for you. Now, we can talk about is that, is it really a problem? I mean, maybe you're thinking it is. You're afraid it might be, but you're not sure. And we talked that out. Okay, we decide it is a problem. What do you, and then we talk about, what do you want to do about it? Or what, what is a desirable goal for you, not for me? So as the, you know, the intermediary,

communication facilitator between animals and humans, you know, that's a great goal. It's like, what is working in your relationship? Why is this not satisfying your needs? And how do you do it in a way that you're both, you know,

ultimately happy with? And it all depends on what they want. Yeah. Like if you want your dog to, if it's not a problem, it's not a problem. If it is, okay,

now what are we going to do about it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so true because like I'm not the ultimate problem solver. My goal is to give you a transformation so you can kind of see these things and make life how you want it to be. And same with you as a psychologist, right? It's like you give people the tools to like, uh, what else could it mean? And you start looking at that. Yeah, mostly you did everything really has to start with

identifying is, is there a problem and what is the nature of the problem? And then we can figure out what to do with it. If you start with an end goal and mind. I think that's actually, unfortunately, what am I trying to say? This may be a controversial opinion to some and not to others, but it feels like in the last bit of time, I don't know, decade or so, maybe longer. Psychology is going a little bit off the rails and a lot of new practitioners are coming into the field with an idea that they have to advocate for specific social policies or political goals. And it's, I think it doesn't, it's it's not practicing psychology the way i was taught and i don't know that it's a good thing

to come to someone and tell them they should want something and have your interaction with them geared towards behavior modding your client to adopt your worldview i have a big problem with that you know no matter what it is no matter what side of whatever political or social issue you're on it's like that's it feels to me like a like a violation uh this is way off topic but just came to my mind that idea of imposing values on someone who's coming to you in a vulnerable state and asking for help but then again you got to be your genuine self so there's always writing that line too between well here's what i believe but maybe that doesn't matter in this context that's what i think you leave that you can't leave that at the door yeah and i think

there's important to like let them know too that some stuff is going to fit like you're trying on clothes and some stuff's not going to fit take what you like you like leave what you don't like because it's, I'm just sharing my personal views and you see a lot of people. I see a lot of dogs. I know that going to your crate or going to your bed to bring something there, that's one that works for a lot of people. And if you want to take that,

I throw it out there just to see if it sticks. And if you're like, nah, I just want them to bring it to my, to me. I don't have to walk. I don't want to walk to his bed. Sure.

Okay, cool. Or some people don't create or they don't have a dog bed. And it's like, well, that advice not, it's not going to do any good. And you're not going to tell someone, well,

you should get a dog bed. Why don't you have a dog vet? You're not going to impose that on anything. You could ask questions. Yeah. And you could be like, well, what would happen if your dog goes to the vet because they hurt themselves and they're stuck in a crate for the next 10 hours? How would they feel? Would you want them to like be suffering in that moment when you could have prepared?

Because leaders anticipate. Yeah. Followers. Yeah. And then you start chopping down some of those legs of the belief that like, I don't need a crate for anything. It's like, what if you take them to the groomers? Do you know what happened to the groomers? They have to go in a crate while the other dogs are getting groomed.

And like you've got to wait to the dogs totally dry before you can cut their hair. It's like a six hour process. And then they're like, oh, I didn't think about that. You know how many dogs I see that are at the groomers that just lose their minds? They're so beyond stressed out. And I was like, you would have just practice a little bit at home. Your dog would have a much better experience. And maybe they would like being groomed.

But it's all up to you because now what do you want to do? Now do you want to look into the crate? Maybe I can show you a fun way to do it because maybe you have some beliefs that like you've got to force your dog in there. And it's like a punishment. It's like, nah, you enjoy. your bedroom, right? You enjoy your house. Like, that's your safe spot. Everyone deserves to have a little safe zone.

Absolutely. Yeah. And it's something they can be trained to not free. And that's anticipating is fantastic. It's like just looking at what is, thinking through the process is what I'm trying to say. So if you plan to take your dog, well, and to the vet, you should probably anticipate that's

going to be likely at some point, you know, or the groomer, you know, whatever your lifestyle is and how you're going to have to solve particular problems. If you can think through these processes, you can anticipate those complications and what it's going to be like for the animal. It's like, you know, expression of love, I'd say to think through that to say, what is, what is this person I care about? What is their experience going to be like? And how do I make it as, as trauma-free as I can? You know,

it's never, never going to be 100%. But you can, you can definitely minimize those, those complications just by being aware and really caring to think it through. Yeah, and sometimes you might not even see it coming. Like when my buddy had a Husky and she passed away this last year. And her entire life, she didn't really like physical touch. It's kind of something that Huskies, you know, they're kind of like, I'm over here, you're over there. And so it was nothing we really thought of.

And I lived with him. He was a close friend of mine. And so if you ever tried to pick her up, she would like jump away from you. And she would be like, nah, I'm going to jump away from you. And she would be like, nah, I'm going to jump it in the car myself. And it's like, okay, jump it in the car yourself. It's like, okay, you're an independent girl. I can dig it.

And as she got older, she got sick and she couldn't stand up as easily by herself. So we had to help her stand up. And she still didn't really like this feeling of like someone putting your hands underneath her belly and lifting her up. And it's like, oh, wow, this is kind of causing a little bit of problems. So now I have to pick you up to put you in the car everywhere. I've got to take you to the doctors. I've got to put you in the car.

And luckily, dogs can adapt like we talked about her. earlier so you're able to do some associations. And so when I touch you, some cool things are going to happen, right? And for her, you could give her like a little dollop of whipped cream or something easy to eat that kind of just like sparks a couple different nerves attaching, a couple different connections being wired of what this means to her. And you're still able to change it. So you don't have to anticipate everything, but you've got to be able to be like,

ooh, how can I make this a little bit easier for my dog now? dog now. And that's the fun part. That's why I love training because every dog's different. Every situation's different. It's like, but the principles always stay the same. So you can fix anything. Absolutely. That's that's probably what I love most about doing the, uh, the dream thing is like each situation is unique. There's a puzzle to solve. Uh, and then there may be broad principles I bring to it, but, uh, I'm definitely not the kind of guy who says, now we're going to consult a chart. You mentioned seashells and seashells always mean this for every person. No, they, no, they don't. They mean every symbol means something different to every person. Even if there's, you know,

broad associations with the kind of collective unconscious idea of how humans interact with their environment. We tend to have two arms and two legs. We can walk around. We can float or drown in water. There's a lot of ways to conceptualize the seashells are found in the ocean, what's your association with the ocean. There's, there's like logical connections you can start with. And then the more you refine it down from the broad scale, you get it down into the particulars. And okay, this person at this time for this reason connected to, I used to go to the beach and collect seashells with my grandfather. Why was I thinking about my grandfather?

Ah, let's follow that. Yeah, that's fantastic. So I think the same applies with the dog training. So, okay, what's your life? How are you living in it? What is this environment like for this animal and this person in their daily routine? And then you get down to that particularizing. And then there's a puzzle to solve.

Mm-hmm. It's like, yeah. It's my favorite thing ever. And it sounds like you enjoy quite a lot as well, too. Yeah, yeah. Like there's a, one thing I'm not good at is like, I don't know, word problems. Everybody hates those math problems. Jesus, keep those away from me.

But like kind of, yeah, the psychology problems, the, the, a little more wiggle room in there to build something intentional out, out of what's actually there. You know, I'm not fabricating anything whole cloth, but like, okay, I see what's going on. Let's do this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, too, how many limitations we have set up in our minds that we're not even aware of. We kind of have this thermostat that's set to a certain temperature. And you start going past that temperature, it can sometimes self-sabotage and things bring you down too. Benjamin the Dream Wizard wants to help you.

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wizard's growing catalog of historical dream literature available on Amazon, documenting the wisdom and wonder of exploration into the world of dreams over the past 2,000 years. That's Benjamin the Dream Wizard on YouTube and at Benjamin the Dream Wizard.com. Yeah, yeah. Let's jump into it. My typical process, uh, kind of has three parts, part two and part three, but blend into each other. But first I just shut up, shut up and listen. The guest, uh, the dreamer tells me the dream beginning to end.

like a story, however you experienced it. We'll go back through it again and kind of start looking at it a little more closely so I can see it better. And then somewhere between that and, you know, getting an answer, we start putting things together that makes sense to both of us. So, yeah, I'm ready when you are. Let's do it. Okay. So typically it's always me and the dream. And the people around me can change.

Sometimes it's my girlfriend. Yesterday it was my girlfriend. Sometimes it's friends. Sometimes it's dog training clients. And where I'm at also changed. Like last night. I have a feeling I was at, like, a client's house. But sometimes I've just been at my house, too.

But the theme is I have to get on a flight to go somewhere. And I have plenty of time at the beginning of the dream. And as the dream goes by, I just keep losing time. And I keep adding things to do. So I'd be like, oh, I need my dog training, et cetera. Oh, I forgot their food. I'm going to get their food. And then it's like, oh, I got an hour.

work until I can be at the thing. And then last night, the dogs got out. Like, the dogs ran out the front door, and there was three dogs. And I was like, guys, I got like 30 minutes until I got to be at the airport. So I'm like, feeling all this stress and anxiety. And then luckily, I had a brilliant moment because I said, pop, pop, pop, and I called them to me and they all turned around and came running. I was like, thank you, goodness. This is great. Okay, something's going right. I'm like, maybe I can still make this flight. So there's hope in the dream, too.

And so I get him inside, and I get them settled. I don't remember how I got them settled, right? I just jumped the next part of the dream. And, yeah, time's just running out. And every time I feel like, and a couple other times I've had this dream, like, I'll even get in the car and, like, imagine myself, I see myself, like, pulling up the airport, and I'm still, like, we got five minutes.

There's no way I'm making this flight. Like, why didn't I leave? Why can I just like let go of this stuff and be like, hey, I can't bring everything with me where I'm going? And just kind of like, be like, I need to go do this thing. So, anyhow, it's very interesting. And I have my own beliefs, but I'm curious to hear what you have to say fresh. Yeah. Just making a final note here.

That's fantastic. That is, that's how you do it. You just tell me what you experienced. And then we go back through it. again, I think this is where my, I don't know, intuitive methodology comes from. Someday I'm going to figure out what the hell I do and write a book about it. Like, I don't interpret dreams. The Wizard.

No, then I wouldn't be intuitive. Right. I don't, maybe not. Maybe I should leave it a mystery even to myself. That's a fair point. I mean, I actually hadn't considered that. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I just, mind blown temporarily there. I should, I should consider things like, what if? What if it ruins the magic for, even for me? Um, okay. So this particular, what you did is you make, and it's very common with, um, what am I trying to say? With reoccurring dreams. People want to give examples from other dreams. And so I bled some of it blended in my mind. I just wrote down everything he said is as, as fast as I could. Um, that's not bad. It's great for context. Usually what works best for me is to go from this specific dream you have last night only. Then kind of dial that in a little bit and then start comparing it to the other one. and see where the themes are common. If I start blending in too much other stuff, it'll be a reference to a different thing in the wrong dream. It won't actually flow.

It's kind of jumping from, you know, dream A, this happened. Oh, and then in dream B that happened. Wait, but that wasn't a part of dream A. Let's, I need to focus. So that's what we're going to do here with the deep dive thing is try to dial in this particular dream just from last night. How did those,

that sequence of images or experiences play out? So you were at, You were at a house, but you're not sure which house it was. This one I felt like I was at a client's house specifically. Like, I wasn't in a familiar location. Okay. A specific client? You don't have to say who, but, or just, what am I trying to say?

You knew it was a client's house, but it didn't, it wasn't a specific client's house. It's, I have, when you ask that question, there's a feeling that comes to mind. But as I remember the dream, I, I'm like, That doesn't match up with reality, but that's how I feel. Fair enough. Yeah. So I don't know what that means. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In terms of dream experiences, the idea of seeing something as an image is the same as knowing something as a feeling. So because they're both equally imaginary, if that makes sense. Like the dream happened. You had that experience. But if you look at a person and you have never seen them before, and you know you've never seen them before. You're looking at them.

They don't visually look like anyone you've ever seen. But you know they're your ex-roommate from 10 years ago, and you know they're there to kill you. Okay. All of those things are significant and true at the same time in terms of the dream logic that you don't recognize them and you know exactly who they are and you know exactly why they're there. It's like accepting the premise of a thought,

You're on a desert island. Why? Because that's the thought experiment. What's on the desert island? Palm trees and rocks. Why? Because you just know it. That's what you see in front of you. And there's a tsunami coming. You can't see it yet. You just know all of these things are true in the dream context. So the idea that you are, this is why I ask for things like a specific client or no, because that might relate to you thinking about trying to solve a specific client's problem. in this context, or it's more generic to clients in general, as in I don't, it's not a specific client's house, but I know it was a client's house. So I'm trying to tease out the difference. Yeah. No, it's very interesting. I would say as I continue thinking about it, it is a specific client. Okay. But I didn't see him. But I know as I start remembering parts of the dream, I'm like,

no, that was the same bath. Not the same, but very similar type set up. There's a lot of stairs, and his house has a lot of stairs. But I never saw him, though. But I was there like two months ago. And I did fly there. And I am working with him now, so it is interesting. Okay.

Yeah. Well, it looks like this relates. And that's very often also what dreams are is problem solving. while we're asleep. I mean, if anyone ever, if you ever heard the expression, sleep on it, that doesn't just mean give it time. There's a magic to the time and specifically a magic to sleeping on it. Our brain never really stops the gears spinning. I mean, that in my estimation, that's what dreams are is it's the same process of thinking. It's like, how do I describe it? Dreams are more like what our pure thought process actually looks like inside our head before we

translate it into communicable words to other people. You know, like what our actual raw, unfiltered thought processes, then we, then we focus it through the lens of conscious attention and we translated into words that, that other people can understand. And a lot of times that's what we're doing in our head, too, is turning it into verbal understanding as if we were explaining it to someone else, but we're really just kind of explaining it to ourselves. Yeah.

Anyway, long, long story short on that. So, yeah. I think you got it, though. Like, I think you're right. I think it is more the natural way of doing. And then your perceptions,

your, what's influenced you throughout your life, then affects what your output is and what you perceive it as. Just like, why it's brilliant, why you can have a totally different opinion of what this dream means than me

because you got different things you're perceiving with. Yeah, it always helps to have, um, I think you need a second opinion from outside the fish bowl, so to speak. I mean, you're in your head. So if you can invite someone else in to kind of have a look around,

they're definitely going to see things a little differently. And they're going to see it specifically not from your direct first person perspective. We can get that little bit of a third person thing going on. So it's good to know. So this may. And what I like to do is just kind of tag things and say, okay, we'll come back to that. Because we don't know what it means that it might be related to the specific client. And that also doesn't rule out the possible.

and even the likelihood that what you're trying to do is recognize a pattern. That's a lot of what recurring dreams are in my estimations, what I've come to my understanding, is that we, we notice a pattern repeat. And every time we confront that new or confront that same pattern, we revisit it in a way that says, okay, have I learned enough now to get a better understanding of what this is or is can I solve this problem now or here oh here's this problem again let's think about it again to try to get an idea of can I see it more clearly do I have a new solution um and very often I've found through these discussions with people about recurring dreams they either stop entirely because we solve the puzzle you were trying to figure out what a particular pattern

was you once we identify it oh now I see it it's right there it's an apple It's like it was fuzzy before. Now I see it. You don't have to have that dream anymore, so they stop. Or the nature of the dream changes. It comes back, but the repeated sequence has a very stark alteration at some point in the dream where the new information we've been able to arrive at through the, through the analysis, shows up in the dream and allows you to move on from a place you were stuck. Or I had a, wow, episode 12 way, way, way back when, this guy was telling me a dream where he came into the backyard of a house and there were these shadow people and he tried to push past them and they beat the hell out of him and stopped him from making forward progress after we talked he got back to me and he said i had the dream again and this time i didn't try to push past them i just sat there and talked to him and they were pretty chill and they told me they were they couldn't let me past because it wasn't good for me and i'm like dude that's amazing there's some there's something in you this some some hidden part of yourself

that's like you're not ready for this you need to get yourself ready and when you're ready then it'll be time to move forward and get past this this this block you've got um oh that was that's amazing so hopefully we'll get something similar for you and i'd love to hear back from you we haven't even hardly started but we're we're gonna get there i think this is this is all me just talking about process um so yeah so we put a pin in the idea. And I don't know that I need to know who the client is. Like, no names, of course, or too much specifically about their situation. But it's good to, at least at the beginning here, plant that seed of framing to say, okay, what is it about this particular client I'm working with and their unique

situation that might relate to the pattern I'm seeing in the overall dream? All that said, that's a belaborate way too much. Um, Do you remember where you were in the house when you first arrived? When you first became aware you were there, you know? I was in a bathroom. Yeah, I don't know why I was in a bathroom. Yeah. I was like, I was packing.

I think I was getting my stuff. And that's interesting. So it was not pulling the suitcase out of the garage. It was not stuffing, you know, clothes. It was you were particularly getting hygiene materials, like packing toothbrush or. You just... Toilet trees or something. Toilet trees.

Yeah. I just remember there was like a mirror or something. Like the mirror is kind of what sticks out. So maybe it wasn't even a bathroom, but a mirror. There was a mirror on the wall or you were trying to pack a small mirror. No, it was a mirror on the wall. It was like on the room. Okay.

And it was definitely a bathroom. That's interesting too. Don't know what to make of it, of course. But that's, yeah, it would say, yeah, I would say something different if you were in a garage and a family or in the backyard. I would say you probably don't do. much dog training in bathrooms, but maybe a lot of the, is the training, how, how frequent would you say it is, you know, you got to work with people who are like, they won't stop pooping on the carpet.

Is that a common thing for you? I mean, dog hygiene in general. Potty training for sure. I think about it every day. Okay. Yeah. I mean, but I have a six-month-old puppy, too. So it's like, yeah, bathrooms.

Wow, that was so that would be on your mind lately. Oh, you're doing a lot of potty training. Yeah, I wasn't, that's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure how common that was because sometimes people, it could have gone either way in my head. People are like, they don't have much problem with that. They usually are able to communicate with a dog about you don't crap on the carpet. Let's wait until we go outside. But maybe it is actually more common than I thought.

I thought it could go either way. Yeah. That seems like it is a very core issue. So this, the bathroom popping up there could be your symbolic representation of potty training in general, a focus on, not a focus on how many of your clients focus on issues of hygiene and, you know, packing toiletries. It's things that, it's like a lot of basic stuff that we, there's things we don't leave the house without.

I mean, lately it's become, you know, car keys, cell phone, those kind of things. Now, those didn't exist, say, 100 years ago. no cars or well 100 years ago there were cars but prior to the invention of the car no need for car keys no one no one padded their pockets looking for those uh same thing with a cell phone wasn't a thing until you know last last 15 20 years um and now it's become something we don't leave the house and well one of the things if you're packing for a trip you make sure you get your toothbrush maybe some some particular shampoo if that's if that's your thing um so there's a very yeah that essential part sticks out because the other part of the dream i remember

I was like getting like my essential dog training stuff. Like it was like a table and I was giving my my target stick and clicker and the leash. And like I was grabbing. I was grabbing that stuff too. And the time was I have like maybe like an hour before I had to like. Yeah. Flight was leaving. And another thing that occurred to me and I forgot and it just came back to my mind is through,

I'll plug once again my now 17th. available works of historical dream literature. A very common theme in a lot of the books was talking about typical dreams and dreams of flying or falling, dreams of being in school and naked or unprepared for a test. Very common, lots of common dreams. Well, one of them is being late for a train. That was a very common thing. I'd say in the 1800s and now late for a flight. And of course, when trains were a thing, you were late.

for a train. Now, planes are a thing. You're late for the plane. But a very, very common, come in, there's, what am I trying to say? I'd imagine there's some similarities for sure. Oh, for sure. In terms of. Yeah, it's complications with travel. Because it's, there's a lot of broad themes too. And again, we go, go from the broad to the, to the specific, but we start thinking about things like travel in general. I mean, there's a reason for travel. You're trying to accomplish something. So it's typical of of goal setting and process. There's that kind of stuff. But it's also breaks from routine. Uh, maybe you, maybe you do, maybe you don't, but say maybe most people like me. I don't travel often enough that travel dreams would be typical. So if I had a

dream of that nature, um, it would be very indicative, say, of, uh, a severe departure from a normal routine. Like I exist in this room for 90% of my life. I don't, I don't care to leave it. This is where I like to my step. I walk around the backyard once in a while. Hate going to the store. Don't want to talk to other people. I'm a very nice guy. I'm very personal and friendly. But man, after this conversation, my introvert self is going to need to just talk to no one for like a week. This is how I roll, you know. So it's going to be different things to different people. But it's definitely that there's a break from normal routine is typically suggested by travel people on vacations unless you travel for work consistently.

And then that may be mean something else. So for you, this is why it's always got to be particular for you in this scenario. It seems like you do travel relatively frequently for work or not. Yeah, not often. But I do travel. And there's a couple trips we have coming up too. So, yeah, we're booking travel recently too for some weddings and stuff.

So gotcha. Yeah. So that's just good to know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know that it's going to meet anything particular. It might, but it's a common enough occurrence for you that you've maybe started to recognize patterns in the act of travel itself and incorporate that into problem solving and future planning and how you conceive of those things. Good deal. And so here we are still in the bathroom at the beginning of the dream.

That's how we do this. For sure. Where did you do anything specific in there? Or that was just where you started and then you left to go somewhere else. Yeah, that's where I started and I left to go somewhere else. What was your, was there any precipitating event of like, um, so I usually ask what were you doing there? Because sometimes there's like a specific behavior you accomplish and then that marks the end of that scene and you move on to a new one to connect the dots.

Um, you, you had a thought. maybe of needing to move on with your next task? Yeah, it just comes back to like getting essential. So even as I think back on the dream now, it's like, and it's funny that a bathroom, because I didn't even really think about the bathroom part down all that much. But when I was there, I was there for two weeks doing a board and train with them, and I actually got strep throat. I got sick from his kids.

and so I had to throw away my toothbrush and I had to get a new toothbrush and I'm like I'm like yeah because I remember I was just and it was terrible getting a new toothbrush too because I like I didn't have toothbrush blah blah and I was like man this is so important so like yeah um so anyhow I don't know I just felt like I was like that was super important and then like my dog training stuff is important and then the dogs coming and I was like I need to take care of the dogs I like let him go out to the bathroom and then it was like Oh, see, let the dogs go out to the bathroom. Yeah, for sure. And they run away. So there was a thought in the dream that that was the next task you had to do is, oh, I have to, the dogs need to go to the bathroom. So I got to let them outside. You know, I don't know if it was that conscious in the dream.

But as I look back, I'm like, that's probably what I was doing and why I was letting him out. Because I was like, oh, I got to go. I got to let him go to the bathroom. And that's just what I do normally in my routine, like before I leave. It's like, I'm going to let the dogs go pee. Oh, yeah, for sure. So that was, whether you remember thinking it specifically or not, that is the next task you moved on to is to let them out.

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's how I remember the dream. Yeah, for sure. And there were three dogs. Were they related to this specific client at all? Were they dogs of that kind or completely different? Totally different. Like, I feel like it wasn't his dog, which is why I think at first I didn't think it was

am but now it was like it was his house but they were different dogs and yeah that's another thing where it's like go ahead the feeling that i get is i have three dogs here right now the feeling that i get it's like it's like those three i'm boarding one dog and i have two dogs in my own i'm like i feel like it was those three that i was thinking about but i don't know i can't tell you definitively which ones they were. That part was kind of a blur. I just knew they came back when I called them and I was really happy. Yeah.

Well, that was going to be one of my questions. Like, so which dogs? Were they all the same breed? Were they different? But you're like, no, it kind of feels like they're the dogs I'm taking care of right now that are in my immediate environment. And it's a very natural thing. What was I going to say?

So if it, I think I lost what I was going to say. If it had been specific. specifically three of the same kind of dog that were all this specific client's dog that might be its own type of thing. But it's actually more specific to you. It's your dogs in your environment versus and and it can be you can also have that experience of like so I'm in a client's house but I'm with dogs that are not his dogs. And if it had not been dogs, you recognized, it would have been like, okay, so this is more this is in the context of that. client but more generic to like to the more generic to the concept of how dogs are taking care of

than taking care of those specific dogs so that it tells us kind of what level of of generality or specificity um so it's even more specific than than that it's it's your dogs uh and and treating them well and taking care of their needs uh don't know what it says yet but that's that's an interesting data point too um yeah like my responsibilities yeah yeah closer to home type of thing. There's the, yeah, those different layers

of generality to specificity. You took them out to the backyard of this house to let them out. It's very funny. As we talk about it,

more stuff comes back. It always does. That's how this works. It was the, it was, he doesn't have a backyard. And it was the front of the house.

And I remember the dogs taking off towards what looked like yeah, his neighborhood. And it was, the front. He has a garage, but no backyard. Gotcha. And there's probably, the first thing that popped into my mind is that's not safe. Like, I would never open my front door and let my dog run out into the

street. I just terrifies me the thought that I'm going to leave the gate unlatched or my wife's going to come home unexpectedly when I've got him out running around the backyard and he's going to dart out, dart out the gate. Yeah. So, you know, this is not to be judgmental of like, you imagine something unsafe, you naughty finger wag, but more like you're conceptualizing, you've got an environment perhaps poorly suited to taking care of the needs of the dog. There's no backyard that safely let them out into.

The only place they can go is out into the front yard, which is not the best because Yeah, yeah, there's danger all over. The dog, cars and the dog catcher, all that stuff. So you're imagining a scenario where the environment is less than ideal for accomplishing the task. But you're three dogs, too. Three, you know, three. I was there. It was just, it was just him, him and his dog, right?

So it was just one dog I was taking care. So I was in his house with three dogs. And I was like, that's a whole other. Yeah. With dogs, you are more directly responsible for in, in a more personal way to you. Like, you're responsible to treat a client's dog well, but it's his dog. You know, these are kind of your dogs or at least one that's been placed in your care as well.

So you're extra, extra focused on this idea of, is this the best way to do this? What if there's no alternative? They got to pee outside is front door or nothing. So there's something there of conceptualizing like less than ideal

circumstances under which to be trying to solve a particular problem. It's like all you got is a screwdriver and you need a hammer. Well, you can kind of flip the screwdriver over and try to use it to pound a nail. And it might work a little bit, but it's not a hammer.

or trying to use a hammer on a screw, that kind of a thing. Sometimes you do what you got to do because there's something's got to get done and there's no better, better alternative. So it seems like this was what just had to be done. Are you having more thoughts? I'm going to stop for a moment. Yeah, but I feel like the general theme of my dreams. Like there's things that got to be done and you've got to just like do it. But I can never make it onto that airplane.

And I'm like, why can I make it on to this fucking airplane? Yeah. Just go. Yep. That may, if we get the right kind of answer for you, you might actually make it on the plane next time. Or you stop needing to rush to the plane at all. Like I said,

the dream may stop entirely. I think that being the goal of the broader dream and the fact that you can't accomplish it. I think that's also kind of common too of like the getting on the plane successfully on time represents in a way solving the problem successfully. The problem is I need to get to the plane. Yeah, yeah. So the idea that you haven't gotten on the plane yet in one of these dreams is like you're still trying to figure out the problem.

How do I get there on time? Broadly, broadly speaking. So you let them out and they just take off or how do they behave when they exit the door? Yeah. They took off and they ran to the top left of my vision. It's like I just remember them like running that way. and then I, it was maybe for like two seconds. Like they, they took off super fast, and then I called them,

and then they, like, turned back around. They didn't even pee. They turned back around, and I just put them back in the house. Oh. It was just like, yeah. So they didn't accomplish their mission either. That's interesting, too. Nope.

They didn't. There's something interesting here, too. So what you've shown yourself is not, I like to do these contrasting things, too, where I go, okay, what didn't happen? And you didn't have to run out of the house and track down each one individually and grab them by the collar and drag them into the house while they barked and resisted. None of that happened. So what you did was called to them and they responded by with obedience basically.

So there's something there about the your conceptualization of your own abilities with training. Does that feel right? Yeah. Something there that feels right to me. Yeah. No, and there's a specific way, like, typically, like, I run away from the dogs, too. It's like a, you chase me type thing. So I said the words that I say normally, I say, pup, pop, pop, pop, pop.

And then they, and I turned and they, like, came running back towards me. Like, we practice it every single day, you know. So it was very familiar to me in the dream. Trying to write this down, too. I wrote that down as well. And a lot of times these, if we hear ourselves say thing or hear words spoken in the dream, and it's a specific phrase. And especially in this case, it's a specific phrase that you do use to successfully manage the behavior of a dog.

And you have good success with it, a good track record of that. It's a comfortable, predictable skill that you've got. So the idea that you were able to successfully deploy that in the dream, you showed yourself, doing that. I think it says something about your self-concept. Like, well, wait a minute. I have some legitimate skill in this specific area. Whatever other problems I'm dealing with in the dream, at least I feel, I feel competent

in this regard. And I would say it's probably true. I mean, you could, you know, just now consciously thinking about it. You have doubtless successfully trained or facilitated the training of, many animals. So you're not typically in question of like, am I any good at this? Right. Yeah. I have absolute certainty that this thing works. Yeah, yeah. You do it all the time and you expect the result and you get the result when you deploy it. So there was a, I think that's what this part of the dream was saying is, okay, this isn't the actual problem. Look, I got this dialed in. This is this is about something else. So it isn't, it's very interesting. We get these things of like, well, I was, uh, late for a plane, but I was taking care of these dogs. And it's like, well, maybe it doesn't really have anything to do it.

It does, but it doesn't really. It's not, this isn't about actually about dog training necessarily. That you seem to want to assure yourself, or at least you recognize the reality of, okay, this is not the specific layer of the problem I'm dealing with. Okay, belabored that enough. I think that's actually a very significant thing. Like, if you showed yourself failing, that would be more deep, quake. questions about am I in the right profession? You know, that kind of thing.

I think I have a feeling you're right. And as I share more, I don't want to ruin the ending for you because there's a couple real life parts of this too, but I keep going through it. But it sounds like, yeah, it's not the dog training part that I'm like focused on. Good deal.

Something else. That's what I love it actually when people bring me a dream that they feel like they have a bit of a grip on. Like they've got at least some understanding. Okay, I know it's definitely about this area, say. And then I call it the kind of a stump the wizard type of things. Let's see how close I can get to that,

just asking questions. And very often what I, what ends up happening is I validate what people already understood and gave a lot more context and deeper understanding of it of like, that's exactly it. And I see it so much more clearly now. I'm hoping that's going to be the case that we're, what our understanding,

understandings are going to align pretty well. We'll see, we'll see. They get the nail on the head. You're using a hammer. I'm trying. I'm trying, right? Um, okay,

so you called the dogs in and they came right back in. And what was the next thing you experienced? The next thing is, is just kind of where it's like, I got. less than 30 minutes. I'm trying to like get out the door, get into the car, and I just can't seem to do it. And I don't know what.

Yeah. And then there's just like a feeling of just like, well, I might as well do something else now because like I already missed the plane. So it's just like this feeling of hopelessness almost. So you got the dogs back in the front door. And did you have a solid experience of what am I? trying to say or any did that was there a scene change now suddenly or somewhere else yeah i don't remember putting them in the crates or anything like that like i remember them coming inside and like going up the stairs and then it's like scene change and then it's like shoot we got like 20

minutes until i got to be like at the airport any change in the scenery were you still in that same house or now you're somewhere else yeah i was still inside still in that same house okay yeah sometimes it shifts completely it's like now i'm in a classroom Now I'm in an amphitheatia. And in other dreams it has. In other dreams, I like imagine myself somewhere totally different. But in this one, no. So this one feels a little more narratively connected in terms of, okay, so you're still

in the same house and you have this sudden realization. But I don't want to be in the same house. I want to be like out of that house. You need to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sudden realization, shit, I'm going to be late. And it didn't occur to you actually until. this part of the dream?

No, I've had, I had the feeling the entire time. You did. I started off with like four hours and it like dwindled all the way down to like less than 30 minutes. I'm like, I had set myself with so many, I anticipated so many things I could do and I still couldn't fucking get everything done in order to make it on this plane. That's how I felt. Anywho. And yet, I'm going to figure it out in real life.

Right. Yeah. No, I think we are, or you are certainly. With your wisdom, wizard. Trying to shorthand some of the stuff here too. Yeah, I think it's very significant. So we're dealing with, let's see, time frame is a particular kind of pressure. I mean, there's no, if you got all day, you got all day.

Hey, no big rush. I got nothing to do and I got all day to do it, that kind of thing. But there's a different thing of having a time crunch. It's a very specific window of opportunity. It is a hard limit on your, what am I trying to say? Yeah, it's like a hard limit. It's hard limit. Yeah, it's a hard limit on options.

Not options is the bad way to put it because there's almost infinite options even in a, in a microsecond. I mean, anything could happen. But it's like you've got a specific goal and you don't have all day to do it. I'm not phrasing it right even in my own head, but, you know, time. time-limited opportunities to get something done that and there's a when when things have an expiration, there's a, there's a pressure to perform or abandon the project. I mean, it's either I care about getting this done and I do my best. And what does it mean? It's like you're setting your,

you set yourself a goal. There's a, there's an idea I'm trying to capture here, which is, you know, it's when you care about the outcome is, is something, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you care about getting it done, whatever it is. And the window is closing. There's a time limitation that you, it's not just a someday type of thing. I'm going to stop there for a moment. Are you thinking of any better ways to express this concept?

I don't even know what I'm trying to say. To me, what it sounds like is some of my dreams, it's free flowing. Like I have, there's no concept of time. And if I try to think of time, I don't even understand what time is, you know? And then this dream is specific, like, no, I'm very aware of the time and I'm very aware of, like, there's something I need to do in the dream. Most other dreams, like, I've flown in dreams, like, I've done partied in dreams.

I've done all sorts of stuff in dreams, you know? And it's none of those dreams am I, like, check in my clock frequently. And I'm like, I need to, like, do this thing. It's kind of like, oh, I'm here now. I'm going to go do this thing. I'm here now. I'm going to go do this thing. But this dream is, and repeatedly, it's like, no, there's something I need to do and you need to, like, do this thing.

Yeah. The concept that just came into my mind was like success versus failure and caring about the outcome. I keep coming back to that idea of. Yeah, I would align with that. Yeah. Yeah, the idea that, yeah, if you care about whether or not something gets done, then you're extremely stressed out by not being able to do it. not having enough time to do it. And I think

something is interesting. Go ahead. Because like there's two parts that I care about. There's like the details parts making sure I pack everything. I don't want to forget anything. I don't want to give up on that. And then there's like the big picture like getting on the plane and I want to get on that and I don't want to miss that either. And I end up missing both because I can't pick one.

Like I don't get everything. Like I'm like I forgot something. And I miss my phone. flight and it's like do you focus on the big picture or the details um you know and i don't want to give up on either i know they're both important and yeah yeah a little penundrum in my brain no i think that's very powerful too because that's a that's a very legitimate problems like if we had infinite time to prepare this there's almost a certainty that we could come up with something that works well but given a time to

crunch and perhaps too many things to do. It's almost an impossible task in some ways. It's like you have to accept, I don't have infinite time and I can't think of everything. And maybe there's a, I don't know why the concept of organization comes to mind, being organized. I don't know whether that's, you feel like you're not. No, that hits too. Yeah. I don't know whether you feel like you're not or. It's one of those things where you could be very organized and detail-oriented and hyper-critical of your own process to the point where it's counterproductive. Or it could be the other way of like, man, I wish I could be more organized, but I am struggling to figure it out.

I don't know which way you seem to lean in your own mind about how you feel about yourself, that kind of thing. this is a very interesting part too because in my own brain I'm organized and I have a good grasp on the big picture and I know where my steps add and I can get disorganized but I feel pretty organized with what I'm doing I want to give you some parts of like real life that's actually happening sure yeah absolutely whatever you're comfortable with yeah um so this clients you know unique because I met him in a speaking group and the reason why I'm on podcast is because I want to start speaking on stage more and sharing about dog training and my stories and stuff. He's part of this group too. So he's also sharing his journey and what he's accomplished in his life, you know. And I trained his dog and then part of it too is my little brother, he does some social media stuff and he's 18 and he's still kind of learning it.

And I've taken what I've done for the last five years with dog training and I'm like kind of giving him how to like edit. those and take some of these things. And so he's helping, my little brother is helping this client create his social media stuff, but I'm also like in the background kind of like delegating things in a sense and things aren't going as smooth as if I

was just doing it. And so I feel some like, I like I see the big picture like what needs to happen but yet I got like other pieces of puzzles that we're like working and we're improving on things. And it's, there's just little details and there's a couple

miscommunications or some more things that we can be talking about to like get more clips to create different edits and B-roll clips and stuff and I have all these different ideas in my head of all these things that need to get done and it's not my thing to do almost it's like my brothers but yet I'm facilitating

the whole thing anywho that's kind of where it's all yeah and you know that's actually what you just did there was the best possible outcome of discussing a dream experience of like, wow, I just came to, all of this stuff just came to my mind in relation to discussing the dream experience. And it's almost always related to real life, whether it's actual experiences

or thoughts that we're, we're having throughout the day. So we can have the experience of an experience or we can have the thoughts about an experience or the thoughts about a puzzle or a hypothetical experience. We can run that through. So you've got, definitely, I think in this one, it's related to exactly what you just said, this idea that, and I wrote down a couple of things like, what is, what is that word even? What did I even write down? I can't read my own handwriting sometimes expanding, expanding your own abilities. And the concept of like struggling to communicate, it's interesting that you're, okay, what am I

trying to say? You're joining, you've, okay, expanding a past. So the idea of you know what you're doing in a very narrow set of extreme competence in the dog training thing. And probably in the interpersonal relationship with specific owners, you know how to talk to people about their dogs and how to get the dogs and the people to communicate with each other and solve problems in that. But now you're looking at, well, I want to become a better public speaker. I want to become better at successfully expanding my business through social, media. So you're taking on new competencies, places where you're like, I don't have a lot of experience in this. I don't have this dialed in. I don't have this mastered yet. Um, so you're,

uh, now in this particular dream, it seems like the formula, whatever we're dealing with there is. And as we said earlier, the idea of this isn't about the dog training specifically. You've already shown yourself, okay, now I got that. I got that. This is something else. But it is definitely being, but the idea of being organized. We start a new task we've never done before. We don't have it dialed in. That's worse for me with autism. Like, you don't even want to know how long it took me to figure out how to use all the software from the book publishing stuff to the recording stuff, to the audio stuff. Oh, just so much, so much. And now I got a bit of a process. Now I've got my folders labeled and I know where to find images.

I know where to find videos. I know where to, I know I've got bookmarks on the internet. All of that stuff had to be built up from nothing. And it was a horrible disorganized mess the whole time. So you're, you're definitely showing yourself that concept of the difficulty of learning new things. And I don't,

what I, what I maybe don't know is where the time crunch comes in. Do you, do you feel like you have a limited period of time to successfully acquire? new skills? Is that, is that legitimate? Like, you've got a goal, like by the end of the year, you need to do something or consequences, or is it more like you're rushing yourself? Are you placing pressure on yourself to do this quickly, to learn faster? Something like that? I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, the program that we signed up for it was you can accomplish all

these things in three months. And we're at six months now and they still haven't been accomplished in a sense. So there is. You missed the plan. But it's not like the end of the time. They gave us an extra three months to accomplish for goal to keep mentoring us. And sometimes problems end up like that. But I was thinking as we're saying these things too, this dream started about four months ago, though.

And that was about like two months after. Like psychic. I was going to be literally my next question. question. Yeah. Yeah. As you were saying this, I was like, this thing fucking started like about four months ago. And I was like, when I was like, I should have already had this thing done. I should have already made $10,000 from speaking on physical stages. And I'm like, okay, we got to do this. And now I got some other goals. Like, I want to be on 100 podcasts and build up my social media following, you know, and all these things as well, which are also important. And at the same time,

I'm like, I got a flight I'm trying to catch. I'm 29. I still know I got, there's many more flights in my future, and yet I still want to hit this flight on time. Well, don't feel too bad. I don't think I, I didn't become a dream wizard until I was like 45, so you got time. Oh, wow.

Brilliant. I love it. And there is. There's so much time. Even when you're 50, there's like, you still got half your life, and you have all this wisdom from the other 50. It's like, you can do everything four times as fast now. Excuse me.

You get twice as many frogs in my throat, though. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So it seems like there's both a realistic, not a realistic. Realistic is a judgment call. There's a material, I would say. Like there was a, there was a time frame given for this accomplishment and you're feeling responsible to meet it and recognizing at the same time that you've gone beyond. that time frame specifically, but you haven't given up on the goal.

So you're still kind of scrambling to catch up to get there in time. It feels like you're running out of time. And that you can't, it's interesting that you chose to show yourself forgetting your, or being unable to successfully gather the tools of your trade specifically in the dream

where you showed yourself like it's not a problem with communication, communicating with the animals and getting them to accomplish specific behaviors. Like that's mastered, but gathering, gathering the tools that are related to that did end up being a problem. You just can't, you can't find everything you need to do your job well in time to accomplish the mission, which is getting on the plane before it leaves. And another interesting part on that, too, is like, I feel that I do feel complete when I, like, was looking at my stuff. but there was always like,

there's something else. There's something else. There's something. And it wasn't always related to doctrine, but it was like, oh, I forgot a shirt or like, there's something else.

And I was like, I can't catch a break. Like, I forgot my Apple Watch. Like, I forgot. Like, something else is like weighing on me.

So it's like a multitude of categories. I think that's powerful too, because it's like there is something missing. You haven't accomplished what you set out to do yet. You haven't made the money you want. Yeah. You wanted to make. You haven't expanded successfully yet.

So you're still looking at what's that missing ingredient that what am I forgetting? What am I unaware that I need to get this done properly? So you're still your brains. You're racking your brain to maybe. I mean, it's an interesting idea to say, okay, I don't have the secret to this. Like I can't tell people how to lose a dream or dream program. But sometimes having these discussions. allows people to program their own dreams in a way,

because you're going to be, say, thinking about our talk when you go to bed tonight. And you might have the dream again. And it might be interesting to see if in the dream you're able to, able to, able to sounds intentional. If you show your dream self enacting the idea of, I'm going to take a later flight.

I'm just going to reschedule. That's fine. We'll just push the deadline out and being okay with that. or writing yourself, these are just possibilities that could happen in a dream. You write out a list of all the things you always take with you and you check them off visually in the dream. There's a lot of ways this could show up of like,

let me reassure myself that I'm competent enough in my specialty and I'm going to choose to give myself more time to accomplish it. Because if you, I think if you move the deadline, back. If that were something the dream was able to show you, it would be like, I'm going to cut myself some slack. I'm not going to put myself in a rush. I'm not going to feel rushed because I don't have to. And that gives me plenty of time to keep looking. It's okay that I haven't found it today. I'll find it tomorrow. Because the flight's not leaving in four hours anymore.

Something like that. Yeah. I can't predict any of this is going to happen. But those concepts are different ways the dream could change in the future, depending on how you choose to view your actual situation. Yeah, no, it does resonate and it's fun because I listen to one of your other podcasts and I heard you say like, I don't do lucid dreaming or I do dream interpretations, all stuff. And I have driven into like a little lucid dream where I'll ask myself throughout the day like, am I dreaming?

Am I dreaming? Or another repeat dream that I had years and years ago was there was this dark figure, kind of you describe this other size dream. And I just use physical force. So, like, I memorize our father. And I would, like, say that in my dream. When I started feeling the presence, I would say, our father who are in heaven. And I, I would say it in my freaking dream.

And then I'd wake up, heart-raithing. And I'd like, oh, I got out of that. Like, that's how I'd, like, wake myself up. Yeah. And it was very, it was a lot of bad dreams. That one was very interesting to get through. But as you were talking about this other guy with the dream figures, and he just asked them a question and started coughing.

to him, my goal in life is to have more loving, compassionate conversations. Instead of all his breakthrough energy, what about, like, I'm okay with setting a new flight. Like, that's totally an option, too. It's a dream. Anything's possible. And I can have a different type of energy. And I was even going to ask you for this other shadow dream. I was like, should I invite this shadow back into my dreams just so I can apologize

I can have a conversation with them as like intentional as like as I think I can actually do this. But like if you set your brain towards this thing, like maybe you could if you're okay with it happening, you know. Yeah. So I kind of want to pick your brain on that too. Well, I hesitate to recommend anything ever. For sure. But that said, I don't know that I would recommend bringing, you know, trying to rematerialize that

shadow you were terrified of because you don't have that problem anymore in a way like if that was an ongoing dream that kept coming back, I might say, have you tried talking to them? Some things are, I don't know, it's one of those things where like I wasn't sure about the nature of the shadow people in this guy's dream until he told me about his next experience with them. And then I'm like, wow, that's amazing. some shadow creatures in dreams are conceptualizations of real fears and problems like real actual threats so if I'm wrong about it and I say sure talk to them what could it hurt well it actually could hurt you could be inviting fear back into your life in a way that you've already

put that problem to rest so digging it back up to to reanalyze it may not be beneficial it's It's hard to say. It's hard to say. Yeah. If it represents a real... Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, it represents a real thing. But in my life, I feel like I just repressed it. I kind of just buried it.

And so I'm like, did I actually ever handle this? And in my brain, things, there's nothing that's bad or good. Things are just things. And things that may seem bad at first turn out to be good, you know? You just never know. You could end up in the hospital in your house. falls off the cliff. You're like, well,

they got him in the hospital. I thought this broken lake was terrible, but it's a freaking life. Yeah, for sure. Oh, that reminds me of a great, a great story about the Chinese farmer. And anyway, it's a bunch of reversals of fortune.

And each time the farmer says, perhaps, I don't know how this is going to turn out. Great, great story about you. You never know when the story's really over. Yeah. Here's what I would say about that is if,

okay, so there's Benjamin the Dream Wizard doing a show with you. We talk about one dream once. We may never talk again. This is very different than saying ongoing counseling and therapy where we might put a pin in the idea of do I invite the shadow creature back to try and have a conversation with it. We might talk about it again next week and spend a whole session just deciding, is that a good idea? Then if we decide it's a good idea and you go home and try it, you come back next week and we talk about, well, how did that work out? I can't do any of that really with with any with any with any guest dreamer.

This is a show. We're doing a it's a bit of a gimmick, but it's real as far as it is. So I try to stay in my lane in terms of what can I recommend if I'm like sure invite the shadow creature back and then your life goes to shit afterwards. I'm kind of responsible for giving it really bad advice because we didn't talk about it. It's like I feel like that's breaking that kind of Hippocratic Oath thing. I was like I don't know what the consequences of this are going to be. But if you if you come to that decision on your own that. hypothetically, this was a fear I never confronted.

I only repressed. Then you may eventually decide to attempt to invite that fear back to have a look at it in a more controlled environment. Your experience of that might be different. Sometimes, especially did this type of dream happen when you were a kid specifically at a certain age, young? Probably when I was like in high school. like 15, 16, 17, 18. Okay. So sometimes, from the broad to the specifics,

broadly, shadowy things often represent the unknown, like shadowed figures. I don't know what it is. I know it's a threat, but I don't see it clearly. If it was specifically a werewolf, it was specifically a mountain of ravenous bugs come into each you. We could look at those each.

But when it's a shadow, it's like I can't see it. It's an unknown fear, an unknown quantity or a fear we haven't put a name to, put a face to, that kind of thing. So sometimes we have those experiences in life where it's like feel a threat. I feel threatened by something, but I don't exactly understand what it is. So I represent it as a shadowy figure in my dreams. And I just want to get away from it. And that's a very natural thing for humans to do is to say, I feel threatened. I'm getting the hell out of here.

You know, it's fight or flight time, you know, that kind of thing. And so you chose, I'm going to get away from the problem. And you probably did in real life. There's this probably something you settled your mind on in terms of, I'm going to get away from this problem. Sometimes it's problem people or it's a situation that you're in that you could leave. And you choose, yeah, I'm getting the hell out of here. And then problem solved.

You never need to have that dream again because you don't have to understand it. because you just got away from it. But it's not wild. That just blows my mind. Unconscious and conscious. It's just like sync but uninct. For sure. So it's not beyond the realm of potentially useful to have a second look at that,

especially since it was so long ago in terms of you're not the same person. You're not in the same scenario. You don't have the same potential threat. That was unique to you at that time in that situation. So looking at it now might be more safe. But, you know, maybe one problem at a time, too. Get a handle on the, um, um, this one, the most recent recurring dream instead of the one. But it's always fun to talk about it.

I don't have a problem hypothesizing, you know. And it's almost the same pattern. I'm like trying to do one thing. I'm like, I got to add another thing. And it's like, nah, take care of this thing. Get on your plane. For sure. Yeah.

Or give yourself more time. And that's, that's a fascinating thing. So, oh, that's one thing I wanted to come back around to as well is that you're more likely to have that experience in the dream. If you come to a, um, comfortable place with that idea in real life. So if you look at your situation and you go, you know, it doesn't matter if I am successful in a very specific way at the end of this six month period.

I'm going to reevaluate that goal. So you can change the timing of the flight and push it out or you can cancel the flight altogether. Like, I'm not traveling at all. And that doesn't mean you're not going anywhere. It's like it just means I'm not putting that. pressure on myself to be successful in a specific way in a specific time limit. Maybe you need to give yourself more time.

Maybe it's, I don't know. So there's a couple ways to look at that. You don't want to put so little pressure on yourself that you're blasé and you do nothing. You want a little bit of motivation. You want to care enough to do something about the problem. You also want it to be that realistic goal of, you know, where are you at four months, four months in on the six months total? So in the next two months, I can't guarantee that it's, it's likely you're going to already have made $10,000 in speaking fees.

I would just probably let that go entirely. Shoot for a much smaller, get on a smaller plane. You know, maybe charter a private flight in a little Cessna or something. So something like that might change the nature of the dream. If you settle your mind on that as an acceptable modification to your expectations in real life. something like that. I don't know. I'm going to quit Rambo for a second.

No, no, no. I think it's brilliant. I appreciate your wisdom. And sometimes it comes out as it, human as it does, you know? Yeah, yeah. It's that intuitive thing that you're talking about, you know? It's like, I don't know how this happens,

but somehow things come through me. And if you want to receive the blessing, you can receive it. If not, okay. That is honestly what it feels like to me. It's like, I'm not doing any of this. I just opened myself up to the idea that I am, I put the, I put that right, I hope the right kind of pressure on myself to be of benefit to you.

What can I say that is true or useful in this specific circumstance? And it's like, it's like I put a, what do you call it? What are those? A unicorn horn? Well, that did it. I would love to be a unicorn in so many ways. But the idea of, what do you call it? A funnel.

It's like I put a funnel in the top of my head and I'm like, let's see, let's see what happens. Let it in. And I've like, you know, this is why I lean into the whole idea of the, wizard thing and the magic is like, I don't know how any of this works. I don't know what I'm doing here. I just open myself up to being of benefit and hopefully something comes in that is and it, it almost always works. And I have no idea what I'm doing. If I can, I, I am but a vessel. That sounds so self-aggrandizing, but it's, I think it's maybe one of the most humble ways to go about it to. None of the, I think it is a humbling. None of these answers are really. I'm not

doing any, I'm not casting spells. I don't have any magic powers. I'm just a guy. Doing a thing, you know. No, it's true. My girlfriend does Reiki and a classic record readings and stuff like that. So she constantly comes up with different visions and things that come in when she's doing readings on people. And it's a delicate balance of just sharing what comes through you and being disconnected from it and just being like, like you said, like I'm just a funnel going through it. It's like, I'm not holding on to any of your dreams or anything like that. I don't want none of it.

I'm just telling you what comes through me. Yeah, and I don't have a goal. I know how she describes it too. And like I said, back in the very beginning, I don't have a goal in mind. I have nothing but the purpose of hopefully being of some kind of useful benefit to the person I'm talking to. I think that goes back to it. And I talk about this guy all the time. I think it was Carl Rogers.

And he said there's two things you need for successful therapeutic interaction. One is unconditional positive regard. You want the best for the person you're working with and just be genuine. Just be real with them. And that doesn't mean you won't say stupid things sometimes. and that doesn't mean you can't be of benefit because you're valuing keeping it real over over being benefit. You've got to do both at the same time.

So you're always going to get the real me trying to help whether we get there or not. But it seems to be working so far. I'm okay with it. Now, you're doing a great job, man. I really appreciate you. Well, now might be a good time to say, I mean, we may have already covered it, but how close did we end up to what you were thinking in the beginning? Was, were we on to something or was it similar to what you, what you'd thought the dream might be about?

It's, I had a feeling that there are general types of dreams and like, this one is about time and, like, there's something that needs to happen. I'm either procrastinating on something, or I need to leave something behind. The big aha moment was I can just move the flight and, like, giving myself a third option. Because you don't really have a choice unless you got three options. And so I could miss the flight. I could leave something behind or I could change the flight. And I even got more options besides that after talking to you. And then also I didn't really know what the dream was about.

Like obviously I'm saying I'm trying to get on a flight, but I'm like, what do I need to get done? Because I do a lot of stuff. Like I train these dogs and we go on walks and like social media and being on these podcasts and all these things, right? and and yet I'm like, and as we continue to talk about it, and you said the point about the dogs coming when called, to me that was just like, it just made me feel good,

but you're like, oh, that symbolizes that it's kind of like, this isn't about dog training, even though you're at like a dog training client house, it's more about something else that's happening in your life. And I was like, okay, that allowed me to start breaking it down a little bit more. And then, yeah, I think you, I think you told, Totally, from what I gave you, you were able to craft a very lovely alternative or just perspective about what's happening. So I think you did really good.

Nice. Well, thank you very much. I always appreciate that. You know, it's maybe I think I did okay, but it's always nice to hear someone else. Especially the person I was trying to help go, I think this was a good experience. I love that. I love that. That's why I do that.

I get a little for Clemth. That's just why. It's why I do this. Do you have a dream journal? Do you write in one like every night? Here's a funny thing. I am the dream wizard that doesn't dream. I don't remember even mostly that I ever had a dream.

I just wake up and nothing, nothing. Sometimes I get the most disconnected fragments. One of the most recent ones for me was I was standing outside the open rear passenger side door of, I think it was a white vehicle. So it was a four door. And that was it. Nothing. I'm just standing there by what, which I mean, I've done more with less.

I had one gal who came to me in her entire experience was falling slowly through a void. Just nothing. No experience of anything around just the sensation of falling. We made a whole episode about that. It was pretty cool. So there's a lot of ways to go with that. I mean, this is rambling on your question. But why a car and not a horse?

or a plane, why the back, why the rear passenger door, why is it open and not closed? Why am I standing there and not sitting in the car? So I start going all these different directions. I don't know the answer to any of these things. It's, uh, I haven't done. I would probably have to have someone else to the analysis with me to start suggesting ideas. And maybe more would come to me. But that, so that's the most typical dream experience that I have.

Just a, just a just the most random disconnected images that don't tell a story at all. So, but we could say from that experience that, you know, am I deciding whether to get in and allow someone else to take me somewhere? I'm a passenger, but I'm even sitting in the backseat. I'm not, I'm not in the front. You know, what does I say about my relationship to, to the potential driver? It's like, I'm not important enough to sit in the front seat. Is this how I see myself? Maybe I should take a back seat to someone else's and let them drive and not be a backseat driver.

There's a lot of ways to go with it. So that's, even my brain's now exploding with. my own dream analysis. I love it. I think that's what the human experience is about. It's like, when you look at fungus and the mycelium and how it's all connected, like, that's amazing. One of the ideas that I've heard is like our dream worlds are kind of all connected to

through these consciousness. And you start playing instruments and you look at vibrations. If you play an e string on one guitar and there's another guitar, the e-string will start vibrating. And it's like there's something. more meaningful going on. And then if you believe in a higher power, it doesn't have to be any specific person with something more important. And you're like, well, all these things have a purpose. Like everything that here is, there's a reason you can create whatever meaning or story you want about

it. So it's like, what am I going to give with my specific dreams? Like, where am I going with it? So I think it's all important in their own way. I think of that when you mentioned the fungus too, and that reminds me, I watched a documentary, I think on Netflix or something about fungus in the different types. And there's this one. that is a single colony that spans an entire forest and it's all connected. And when you look at the way fungus kind of looks and then you look at the zoomed in connections of our neurons in our brain, it looks like the connections of the fungus. And it's almost like that colony of fungus that is one single organism and it's like a living

brain of a kind. And it can actually communicate stuff from one every. Like if there's damage to a tree over here, it gets over there. And there's this like some response miles away. Unbelievable. I don't know what to do with any of that, but it blows my mind. I love it. I love how just thinking about those concepts.

Yeah, I think it gives us hope. Like there's something bigger going on that we can't even process right now. But maybe one day we'll be able to. That's probably what I'm thinking is that that feeling of like, magic in that sense of like this is this is a mystery beyond my comprehension but sure as hell feels important whatever it is it feels like something oh thank you much i'm trying i trust your judgment wonderful well um if you feel like we got a good answer we can uh we wrap it up yeah let's do it okay wonderful well then i'm going to do the uh the housekeeping here

and we always start with the guest this has been our friend brady folk from austin Texas. And I forgot to mention in the beginning, of course, links in the description below. You can find him at N.D. Dog Training on Instagram. Of course, as I said, link in the description below. He is a dog training expert empowering dogs, puppies, and their owners to have a more, to have more success at home and around town while having fun. And I think you can tell from this interaction. He takes his business very seriously, and he knows what he's talking about. And we had a good time talking about it. For my part, yeah, would you kind of Finally, like, share, subscribe, tell your friends.

Always need more volunteer dreamers, viewers for the video game streams. 17, currently available works of historical dream literature, the most recent, The Fabric of Dreams by Catherine Taylor Craig. Also, all this and more at Benjamin the Dreamwizard.com, including downloadable MP3 versions of this very podcast. Also, Benjamin thedreamwizard.locals.com, trying to build a community there, and that is enough shilling out of me. Brady, good talk. I appreciate you being here.

Yeah, I know. I appreciate being here too. Check out my links. I share lots of content. And my PDF is actually called the Dream Dog Blueprint. So, Oh, wow.

Lots of dreaming going on. More secreticity there. We never even got into that whole collective unconscious thing. I mean, just touched on it briefly. But there's, there's reasons to think we are more connected than we believe we are on purely materialistic terms.

So, yeah, that's always, it's always nice to feel the connection with someone who's like literally a thousand miles away. That's nice, too. God, love this. The neural net of the internet, like a human, like a brain of a, some, some.

AI is wild, man. Yeah. It's taking all this mass data dump and, like, creating all these connections that we haven't even thought of yet. It's going to be absolutely mind blowing the next 12 years. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're in for some pretty big changes. It's very interesting. We had some pretty big changes about 100 years ago.

Turn of the, turn of the 1900. and now turn of the 2000s is going to be a whole new world. So, well, we can keep talking. I would imagine for a long time. There's always something else. So I'll just say by way of parting, everybody out there. Thanks for listening.

Bye. Thank you all.