Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 163: Spirit of the Divine

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Neil Elliot ~ http://ahigherroad.com/

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we have our friend Neil Elliott from around the Vancouver, BC area, talking to another Canadian, our neighbors to the north. He is an author and engineer. He has a book, A Higher Road, available globally, wherever you prefer to buy books. You can find him at D.Neillet.com as well as A Higher Road.com. Both of those links will be in the description below. we're going to get right back to him in two seconds for my part would you kindly like share subscribe tell your friends always need more volunteer dreamers if if you have a dream i want to talk to you

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Join the community there. What's great place to contact me if you have a dream? It's free to join attached to my Rumble account and that is enough out of me. Neil, thank you for joining me. I appreciate your time. Oh, it's a pleasure to be here today, Benjamin. I'm looking forward to our discussion.

Good deal. Me too. These are always fascinating. People say, you know, I don't know. Who cares about my dreams? I do. I want to hear about it. I've never heard a dream.

I wasn't interested in trying to solve the puzzle. So we're going to get to that. But, you know, I always start with the pen down. And we'll talk about you and your work. So I imagine you were an engineer before you were an author. Yes, yes. Got a professional engineering degree, you know, back in the 80s. Very cool.

MBA in the 90s and worked in the corporate world, first as an employee, and then as a, you know, my own business for over 30 years, 34 years. Very cool. My dad is a civil engineer, and he followed a similar course, got his degree, I think in the late 70s, early 80s, somewhere around there, and has been running a home business off of that. So when you say engineer, I mean, what kind of projects? Is it okay to say?

I don't want to know. Oh, yeah, yeah. So at the time, there was a discipline called bioresource engineering, which was this mixture of civil, mechanical, and agriculture. And so I took that, that opened things up. But really my fascination was with water, water flow, things like that. So I went into hydroelectric industry and, you know, started out as an engineer, but then quickly progressed to a project manager looking after, you know,

smaller large projects. Very cool. Yeah, that's, I am fascinated by energy production. and how we're trying to solve that problem in terms of what's clean from the environment and what's what's efficient and effective. You know, I, and hydro has always been like, that's just amazing. Water just flows and then you damn it up and it falls thanks to gravity and then you just spin some turbines and you're good to go.

Like, that's genius. I wouldn't have thought of that on my own. So I. And I think that, you know, Tesla. actually had it figured out where electricity would be free for everybody, but that was suppressed because it couldn't make money off it, right? So yeah, I think, come to us fairly soon. Wasn't there, there's a story, and maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, maybe it's apocryphal or, you know, urban legend, but that the one of the first light bulbs that was ever invented was like burning

for a hundred years or something and just recently went out. Have you heard that story or am I, tell and tales out of the story and the in BC there was an electric light bulb in a really old station and it's been burning for about 70

years. There you go. And no one's allowed to get near it. They will let you get close to it so you can look at it. Yeah. But no one's allowed to get near it. So I've had the pleasure of actually going into that generating station and

and getting within, you know, 10 feet of it just to, you know, see it. It's quite, quite amazing. Yeah, you know, some of those old light bulbs were really well made, obviously. For sure. Yeah. And that gets us into a realm of what I say some people would call conspiracy theories. I call them prophecies more than anything lately. It's like we keep finding out they're all true.

But before I forget, I was going to say, you know, because my dad was engineering and he's always had that that fascination like he he definitely followed a um you a vocation of calling to get into that realm of of uh you know mechanical manipulation i suppose you know figuring figuring solving problems through through that long story short i go all over the place he uh made sure when we were little uh you know uh well when i was little i don't think my brother was born yet i'm not sure long story short uh he made sure to take me to to the hoover dam to see it and that was And I still remember that. I remember being there.

I was always a little disobedient child. I think I ran off at one point. And they're like, this idiot is going to throw himself off the damn. But I remember being there. And that's, I mean, it is, it's almost like one of the, it's maybe like the eighth or ninth modern Marvel wonder, wonder of the world, you know, along with the Eiffel Tower. The idea that we could damn this canyon and turn it into, you know, into. into electricity. It's just amazing to me.

Beyond me, definitely, I couldn't figure out how to do that. Yeah, the Hoover Dam is, yeah, I've seen it myself. I've been there,

but, um, it's something to experience that much water is, it's like just the, the tremendous raw force of nature that's being harnessed. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah,

absolutely. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I did. I get a little, you know, I just had that thought. I'm like,

wow, That was awe-inspiring, stunning. I think there's some pretty amazing, we'll call them engineering structures, but just structures that have been built pyramids. Mm-hmm. And that goes back a little further than Hoover Dam. Just a bit, 12,000 years possibly, 12,000 BC. Isn't that like it was some of the first, I think they called them back then,

Ziggurats, you know, just the, you know, people, people have always built the tallest structure they can manage as some kind of a focal point. And it's very, very much wrapped up in our nature as human beings. I don't know if that's something you've, you've thought about in your, in your study of engineering, the history of engineering. That really, uh, that really goes more to the spiritual side of things for me, rather than the engineering side of things. It might.

Yeah. And that's where I would say psychology bridges the gap on a lot of these things. It's like, you know, so there's engineering as a concept, as a discipline, as as a fact of nature, you know, the science. But then there's also the social aspect of it. Why do people build things? I mean, we are solving problems, but is it necessary to solve problems in a particular way? And one of those particular ways that I question whether it's necessary is, you know, building the tallest thing we can possibly do. There's something about us as humans where we just find that appealing in some ways.

So that's kind of where psychology touches on both of these things and tries to bring them together in my estimation. But I think it's also maybe a very spiritual question as well. It's too. What are we what is it that inspires us in that way? It gives us this sense of awe looking way up at our skyscrapers and whatnot. Yeah. That's my tangent. Sorry.

I should probably ask you more about. So how did you go from being an engineer to an author? What is your book about and why? My book is really about, so the book is in. five sections. First section is kind of what you're going to learn. Second section is really a memoir, a shorter version of a memoir, but

gets into some meat and potatoes, so to speak. The third section is a chapter in consciousness and discusses what consciousness is. And gets everybody on the same page. The The fourth chapter is, or the fourth section is really I share some what I will call truths in this material that came to me and I'll describe why I wrote this book in a moment, but why this material came to me and I share some of those.

And then the fifth section is my experience as I progress through the seven steps I offer in my book for people to consider for themselves. And the book is really about how to change your consciousness to a state of love, peace, joy, abundance, and prosperity. That's what the book is really about. And what drove it was after years of work and years of trying to step to the Joneses or get ahead of the Joneses, I brought myself into this really deep state of depression. Ended up, it's a longer story than this, but ended up being done with life.

It came to a point of selling our house. No one knew I was in this state. I kept it from my family and friends and clients. And house sold in 2017, the fall of 2017. My wife got out of a plane to go to Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I sat down. We're in this little one-bedroom rental apartment in the city. I sat down at the little kitchen table,

planned out my suicide, crafted my suicide note, and planned it out about three months so I could help my wife move and get rid of all this crap we accumulate in our life that we never used. And try and ease her burden and then say goodbye to family and friends without them knowing what I was going to do. A week prior to that, some material showed up.

That promise to liberate me from my thinking if I studied it and followed it. And I was looking for that one last sliver of hope to keep going. So I thought, okay, I'll give it a go. I studied this material. And then a year later, 13 months later, end of December 2018, for this process, you learn how to meditate and the purpose of meditation. and at the end of December 2018, I had two meditations, two days apart,

went into this state, my meditative state, which is to stop all thoughts, and all of a sudden I was just in an instant filled with unconditional love and then surrounded by, like I was a deep sea diver in this ocean of unconditional love. And I didn't care what aches and pains my body had.

I didn't care what illnesses had had. I just wanted to stay there forever. I didn't judge anybody for what they had done. I felt non-judged for whatever I had done. I felt totally loved and supported. Came out of that meditation. Two days later had the exact same meditation. At that point, I knew that this information I utilized, this process I followed,

use us back to our truth of who we really are. and then from then on it's been this upward amazing wonderful journey very cool yeah i mean what you nothing changed in my life outside of me everything changed inside of me yeah i think that's that's a powerful point to make is that a lot of our problems are it sounds dismissive but i think it's factually true a lot of our problems are in our head it's our approach to things our understanding of the world uh i was thinking as you were some Well, lots of thoughts. Just an explosion of thoughts, but I'm not going to remember them all.

One thought was the idea that you said, you know, following the path of keeping up with the Joneses, and a lot of people do. They look around them for, say, social cues about what should, what should I want? What should I be aiming towards? And sometimes what we're socially queued, say, to aim towards is actually not going to get us to the path we, the destination we think we want. It's like we're using a bad method to solve, solve the problem or the wrong system, the wrong, you know, methodology. And changing our approach to things just mentally. Like, what am, you know, what do I value out of an interaction with a person or by engaging in a specific process? Just, just that shifts us in that proper direction where now we're actually headed towards what we, what is more fulfilling, what we, what we want, but didn't know how to get.

And so I was also going to say. you're not actually not the first engineer I've talked to who wanted to share their insights on how to say change their mindset or or shift that approach to life in a way that gives us more fulfillment that actually well that may be the best way to say it you know that we're getting to getting to a space of enjoying life for the right reasons um versus using the bad or using an ineffective method uh to chase a goal that is not actually going to be worthwhile I said a lot of things. I'll stop there and let you give some feedback. Well, okay, so start with one thing and I'll end with something else.

Sure. So if you think about what you have adopted as right, wrong, good, bad, true, false, these are things that, you know, you program and adopt and believe as you're from babyhood to adulthood and then you reinforce it. what you think is good and bad, right and wrong, true and false, is not the absolute truth of anything. It is just your belief. And so if you can figure out a way, and the reason why,

if you can figure out a way to change your beliefs and cleanse your consciousness and then rebuild your consciousness from where we come from to where we return to after death, which is unconditional love, and get in alignment with it with your thinking and your feelings. And what you do is you have a new perspective in life, a new understanding of why we're here and what we're doing.

And you will get a new purpose. And I'm not going to tell you what that will be, but you will develop a new purpose. So I'll give you an example. during this pandemic just down the street from us this historic building

where you got these large you know this big set of wide steps up to the second floor that's how you enter into it so no one's on the street these two women are walking down the street I know them both

and they were going out for a walk and they were chatting and as they were approaching the base of the stairs this elderly woman came out of the building of the second floor she's at the top of the stairs

looking down at them and she's really, she's gesticulating wildly and she's quite angry and, you know, saying things that are fairly negative. And she pointed down at them and said, you can stare all you want. I don't care. And she just, she went off in this flood of anger and resentment and hate. And one woman at the base of the stairs said, oh, my God, this woman's dangerous. I'm going to phone the police. She pulls out her cell phone.

she steps back, she dials 911. The other woman says, herself, she says, I wonder if this person's okay. I wonder if she needs help. So she reached out and she said, are you okay? Do you need help?

As soon as the woman at the top of the stairs heard that, she calmed right down, and she explained her story, which was logical from her perspective. Mm-hmm. The only difference between the experience of the two people at the base of the stairs is the set of beliefs

that they have and the experiences they had growing up that they have reinforced. That's the only difference. Nothing happened externally that was different. It was all inside of each of them in terms of how they responded. So I'm going to say to you and to your audience, because I believe this to be true, your perspective in life, you want to change your life? It's got nothing to do with things that are outside of you. It's got everything to do with what's inside you.

And I'll give you another example. You know, we are always running to catch up with the Joneses or get ahead of the Joneses to set a goal to accumulate a new thing. We think that this new thing is going to bring us love and peace and joy and happiness. And so you work hard, you get a goal. You go, I'm going to get a new car. So set the goal, you do the things you need to do to get that new car. You get the new car. You feel really proud. You feel really happy. You're all excited about it. You do a little show off to the neighbors. Get another little boost of, ha, ha, ha, I got one up on you. All done very subtly. But, you know, this is what you do. But sooner or later, that new possession becomes mundane and boring. So what do you do? You go out. You set another goal to accumulate another thing. House, car, boat, whatever vacation, whatever it is. And so life is this end.

endless chase for these goals that actually mean nothing and are not everlasting. If you are after love, peace, and joy, you need to become love, peace, and joy. And in order to do that, you need to examine the programming that you have programmed in your subconscious and your unconscious mind. You need to go through a process of cleansing it and then rebuilding it to be consistent with where we come from before we die and where we return to after death. And you can't do it alone. And you need to be able to do this. This is the spiritual part now. You need to be able to have a process. You have to understand why am I doing this? I would I do it? And then when you

understand that I lay this out in my book and what worked for me in terms of understanding all these things. And then I offer this material which made all the difference in the world for me and my life. Definitely. Yeah. Many paths to the top of the mountain. This one may, it was

logical, it was rational, it's based in Newtonian science, which everybody will understand. It's easy to understand. It gives something tangible for the human mind to grasp and understand a concept which we cannot fully understand.

about where we come from, but it gives enough, it gives these shadow consciousness forms where you can form a picture and understand, and as you move forward and you move forward through this process, you build a faith in this process, you build a faith in what you're doing, and you will get this spiritual help

from God, Yahweh, the Tao, whatever you want to call it. It will get this spiritual help, it will flow into you like energy, and then what happens after that is you have an experience that will confirm for you that this path you're on is the right path for you. And then your life changes. Definitely.

I got so many great, you've inspired so many great thoughts, thoughts in me. And one of them is to touch on that and reinforce it and then loop back around, there's a lot of people who dismiss meditation or spiritual practice as, especially people who are very rational. materialistic, rationalistic, you know, rational materialists in a philosophical sense. They look at, oh, that's just spooky woo. That's just nonsense. It does nothing to do with reality or it's, you know, I'm not buying your cult propaganda or whatever they think. But I think one thing that, you know, we're talking about psychology bridging the gap. I think modern psychology has demonstrated why a lot of these ancient spiritual practices have a beneficial effect on the human psyche, the human soul, our experience in the world. been able to dial in kind of quantify these things a little bit better, you know, why, why they,

how they work and why they're necessary. So, you know, definitely I wouldn't want anyone to look at this and go, oh, he's just, you know, he's just some kind of spooky woo mystic. I think it's a lot of people stumble onto these things on their own without training. And I think it's just because we are human and we, if you pay attention to the human condition, you will start to notice patterns that have been, you know, as I said, quantified by psychology as a science, but, um, but, as you say, many paths to the mountain. You don't have to study psychology to teach people how to be healthier in their mind, in their approach to the world and open. And it's, that's another thing, too, is like I, I dance on that line back and forth between materialism and spirituality as well.

Um, what I do with the dream interpretation thing, I, you know, and the reason I'm seriously open to the spooky, with spiritual side of things, I say that lovingly, you know, in my case is that I don't know how the hell I do what I do. It seems to work. But my approach is I open myself up to the spirit of being beneficial to the, you could say I pop off the cork on the top of my head and say, God, higher power, come on in and give me something I can, that is helpful to this person.

So that's my focus and being receptive to that, to that energy. It's asking a question and just letting an answer come, however it does. So I think there's and it seems to work. I can't explain it. I think it feels like magic to me. I don't know what I'm doing.

I don't know why it works, but you know, and people can make up their own minds on that. Just to get these things out before I forget, too, a lot of our, what am I trying to say? People don't realize how much our lives are built around relationships. And people think relationships, oh, in relationship with another person. Yes, but we have relationships to objects too. And sometimes we invest, as you were saying, a lot of hopes and dreams.

And if I can just get that one thing, that one physical thing in my hands, it'll be if I could just get that new car, that new house, that, you know, the upgrade to my lifestyle. If I could just have what my neighbor has, then that will fulfill me. That's the, that's the, that's the, you know, round peg that's going to fit in that hole of emptiness, whatever it is. And we do, we do feel good in the process of chasing these things. But and we do feel good to attain them. I mean, you do need to have successes or that reward system doesn't kick in and you're just chasing something. It never happens. Eventually you give up. That kind of, what is it extinguishing? There's an extinguishing behavior. I can't think of the right term. But it's, then there's a factor of novelty. I mean, so I look at the, you know, and eventually novelty wears off. I got this thing I really wanted, but I don't feel the same way I did about it. when I got it now that I've had it for a while. We, so then sometimes our standard for zero or baseline ratchets up.

And that's why, you know, people say, you know, more money, more problems. It's, it's true because then you,

then you start worrying about, uh, not losing all the money and keeping all the things you've got and all the stuff. I've wrestled with having too much stuff all my life, uh, just because I don't want it, but then I collect it.

Like that might be useful. And that's, and that's where I was going with that too is there's, there's an idea of utility. Like if, if an object serves a specific purpose, you know, what is a car for? Maybe you want it to be pretty, but it's got to take you somewhere.

What you need is transportation, ultimately, the utility of it. Maybe you want pretty transportation, nothing wrong with fine art or whatnot. A car can be art. But some people, their improper aim is to get a thing that's a status symbol or just for the sake of being pretty. And it serves no actual utility. So when they get there, they're not, they're unfulfilled because it served no purpose. Like, why was they doing this in the first place? And they don't realize that until after the fact.

Last thing, just to kind of tie it all together, too, is that there's a, there's a process of like humans are, what do we get? It's not, it's not the pursuit of happiness we should be aiming for. It's the happiness of pursuit. I love those little clever aphorisms that kind of flip, flip the thing on its head. It's we are programmed, you could say, biologically, and maybe, you know, 50, 50 spiritually as well, to, enjoy the process of moving towards a goal. And that means you have to actually have benchmarks for the ability to make progress. Am I moving anywhere? Am I moving at all? Because what do we do when we attain a goal where we set a new one immediately? Because otherwise,

what do we do? There's no reason to get out of bed in the morning. So we're constantly inventing new tasks, challenges, and that's all in our head. It is to bring it back around to what you're saying is it's all, what are you, what are you aiming at? And why does it matter? And, you know, the more meaningful something is it's like the more satisfied you are with the result the the more meaningful the process is in general um but again just you know achieving results is necessary but not sufficient to a fulfilling life i'll start those are all my thoughts i was writing them down because i'm never going to remember that stuff i don't know if you have uh commentary on some of those things well i think that um it's a difference between what you need and what you want

and life is a chase of wants. So if you think about it in reality, if you were young and your parents were loving and kind and taught you to be loving and kind and respectful of other people and that they're differed and they have just as much right to their thoughts and their feelings and stuff like that, and that all you really need is, need. So you need to be fed and watered and clothed and you need some shelter. That's really all

you need in life. And then if you could follow your talent, whatever brings you the highest joy in every moment of your life. So, you know, musician or artist or, you know, maybe you're a carpenter and you love doing fine carpentry. But if you follow your highest joy in life and you're a you're always bringing your attention to that highest joy. That'll bring you the best, my opinion, that will bring you the best outcome in life. A majority of us get caught up in, I need to make some money, so I've got to get a job,

what kind of thing do I kind of like? Oh, I go into engineering, oh, I'll go into psychology. Oh, I will become a teacher or whatever, because I want to teach kids. They get caught up in the system, and the system and the externalities in life to control them, versus getting up in the morning

and be inspired about what you want to do and that what you want to do it brings you joy and peace and pleasure and love instead you get up and you go I got to go to work and I got this to do and you're driven by calendar and you're driven by schedule or you're driven by need I can't pay my bills

and I can't get a job that pays the bills why on earth are we doing what we do to each other in this world. We've bought into this system that rewards the wealthy. So you as a child, you grow up and you go, you know, I'm going to get a job,

I'm going to get a house, I'm going to work my entire life, and then I'm going to retire. I'm going to enjoy life when I retire. Maybe I'll enjoy some things on the way. So what do you do? You buy into the system that you have to go out and work,

you have to get a mortgage. You have to pay that mortgage, which makes a whole bunch of people wealthy, but not you. You've become a slave to these objects and these things that you want. Why are we treating people like this? We don't actually own the land. At best, you can say, I own this piece of property. But in reality, you are renting it for your lifetime. It's true.

Yeah. And we're not going to hang on to it after our lifetime. That's the other thing. What's the purpose? What are you doing this for? How are you... The earth. Well, the earth is, you know, this land is for us all to enjoy.

No one actually owns it. We have set up these systems of ownership and provinces and states and countries. And then we get into these fights and these wars and we build this system which rewards certain people in life. Like, why would a mineral deposit not be owned by the people? And yet what we do is we, you know, sanction our governments to, you know, offer that mineral deposit to a company that's going to exploit it. They make all kinds of money, but of our resources. And they're not taxed very high compared to everybody else. And, you know, a few people get wealthy.

and the rest of the populace are slaving away. Oh, you know, I mean, we've just set up a whole system which doesn't enable people well to get out of the system to be different. And they get caught up in the system of fear and anxiety and driven by schedule. And we could go out or not. But anyway. For sure, for sure. Yeah, just a couple comments on that is I think a lot about the way Alaska does

oil revenue sharing. I mean, all the citizens get a check. It's like, this is, this is your state. We all live here. We own it communally in that sense. Like, we are all residents of the state and voted to do this. And then, you know, because they're extracting natural resources, well, the people broadly get a cut, get a cut of, you know, compensation for allowing someone else to get rich off, off the land. So there's something to be said for that. Also, you know, I've got big problems with, I want it to be, I want home ownership to be more ubiquitous. We're talking about property. Well, I want you to own your own home and not be a renter for your entire life.

And at some point, stop paying so that people aren't constantly having to come up with more money and more money and more money to just have a place to stay. At some point, that should stop. You've paid for the house. Now it's yours. And I would like to make that more ubiquitous for more people to, you know, to own their own homes and not be paying a landlord. I'm not sure how to accomplish these things, but I think a lot about how to accomplish them and what it would be, what it would take to get us there, you know,

and how to justify certain different methods. I'm broadly a libertarian, so I don't want, I don't really like the idea of government force being used for things. So it's a little bit more tricky for me to say, well, how do we fix that? It's more of like subtracting things from the system rather than adding things. Go ahead. Oh, I know. And, you know, I mean, I get your point. And I I think the, he let the difficulty of how do we get to an inspired vision, get in our way. And there's all kinds of systems that would stop us doing that. For example, I'll give you another example, on yours. Let's say that land could never be owned by a person or a government.

But we agree that there is maybe a government that divvies land up. and houses are built on sections of land, and I don't mean section as in 160 acres. I mean a section say 100 feet wide by 120 feet deep. Give everybody green space. A reasonably sized house for a family nicely built is built on that. And the revenue from that house needs to cover the cost of replacement of that house every 20 to 25 years. know, whatever, something reasonable.

And that you would rent that house, so to speak, while you're alive. The rental for the house would cover the cost of replacement of that house. You wouldn't pay for the land. You would maybe build communities that are well designed with a school and, you know, access to the hospital. So, you know, there'd have to be some really good planning around how you do it. and everybody is just renting to replace the cost of the house. No one owns the land.

Everybody owns the land. And everybody lives in a nice house with a backyard so you could have some trees, maybe a flower garden, maybe a vegetable garden, you know, a safe space, a common park, a school. And all of that infrastructure is paid for. And maybe by by, by funding,

collective funding. So, you know, you pay whatever $2,000 a month, say for rent, and some of that goes to the replacement of the house, some of that goes to help build that other infrastructure,

water, sewer, you know, all that kind of stuff. The other is, what if you could work for three days a week at something that you really love and that gave you a living wage? And, one day a week,

eight hours, eight hours a week or something like that, you need to do something for the community. Don't get paid for it, but it's part of your thing. And then people that cannot work because of some physical disability or mental disability, we should be looking after them. They're no different. You are a soul equal to my soul.

Your soul is unconditional love. My soul is unconditional love. The things that you do and I do and everybody else does is driven by this thing we call the ego and these thoughts and these agreements that we make with ourselves about what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's bad

that drive our behaviors. If you can learn to become the master of your thoughts and the master of your feelings, not controlling, but this way to become a master and become by entoment with where you come from and where you return to after love, you will become an embodiment of unconditional love.

And you will want to only love your neighbor and bring peace to your neighbor and joy to your neighbor. And if we did that around the world, not only would borders disappear, but we would treat everybody with love and respect. They allow them to be who they are to follow their joy and their peace. And for people that are behaving in a way which is contrary to that, yes, we probably need some systems in place to help them.

Anyway. Yeah. No, no, that's all good stuff. You have to have a, have to have a utopian vision, so to speak, in order to work to it. Definitely. Well, we always ask ourselves, what's, what's better than what's, you know, this is, again, the engineering mindset in some ways, like, problem solution. And, you know, we look at the world and we go, this isn't working ideally. There seems to be things where something could be better. So we start looking to, well, what does better mean?

We start defining better. And then we look at what's an effective process to get us there. Something you said inspired a thought of me and I wanted to throw it out there real quick. I was talking about we have, when we think of relationships with people, of course, that's what what relationship usually means in our mind, but we have a relationship to objects. Not only that, we have a relationship to our own thoughts, feelings, urges. And that's where a lot of this stuff comes in. Meditation is a great way to get in touch with those things.

And I love the concept, too. And I'd say many people think of it as like Spooki Boo spiritual practice and don't realize how practical it is. It's and you can reinforce this or say how your experience is different. But a lot of, say, being in a clinical counseling session with someone is to get them to a place where they can take their thoughts out of. of their head and hold it out in front of them and look at it and go, that's a thought. I don't have to feel a particular way about it. I don't have to deny it. I don't have to accept it. I can simply let it be what it is and look at it. And a lot of, you know, that might, my appreciation of meditation changed a lot when it's like you don't try to stop your thoughts. That's actually

counterproductive is what I've heard. But you, you learn to let them flow by without pushing or pulling on them. And, you know, because our brain's always chattering. And some, you know, And, you know, long practice and meditation, we get the chatter to slow down, no doubt. But it isn't actually the goal. It's kind of an effect that happens as you distance yourself from. You don't have to say, we say things, especially in the English language, I am angry. In other, some other languages, they say, I have anger. It's like, it's a different relationship with the concept of anger.

So it just to kind of put a bow on it, the more people should understand that we can, that we do, have a relationship to our own thoughts and feelings and urges, drives, desires, but that they are not us necessarily. If you have that more spiritual concept of human beings as a soul, experiencing physical stuff in the world, then you can distance yourself from that a little bit and say, I don't have to embody all those things. I can just let them be what they are and then pick and choose and develop it. You can change a relationship with your internal state. I'll stop there. I think that was all my thoughts. I'm going to add to that.

Yeah, please. Oh, I used to think that everything that I thought was all in my brain. And I explain all this in the book, so I'll keep it short. Now I just view thoughts as this stream that goes by me. I pick a thought out of that stream. If it's consistent with my thinking and feeling, I'll keep it, I'll reinforce it. If it's not, I throw it back in the stream, and away it goes. Yeah.

So when, you know, the purpose of it. of meditation, although many people say purpose of meditation is lower blood pressure or be less anxious, all lecture, those are all benefits. Yeah. Purpose of meditation is really to go beyond your thinking and you're feeling all of these human constructs and allowing these thoughts to flow through. And you made a good point. Initially, when you're learning this meditation, it's, you know, I, you know, I'm a

the secondary purpose or the primary purpose is really to be the neutral observer of all of your thoughts, let them pass. And as you practice this and as you go through it, like I can go into meditation and I have no thoughts. Thought comes through and it just flows by. I don't even give it any attention. Because you are not the anger or the hate or the vitriolic outrage that you feel. That is just something that you have adopted that you believe. and typically it's driven by something that's deep inside of you

that you are fearful of something. Fearful of having to do something that you don't want to do. You're fearful of being hurt. You're fearful of some other thing, being condemned of being judged. And all of those things are merely your thoughts. When you can become the neutral observer of your thoughts and choose love and then feel your feelings,

So instead of denying your feelings, feel your feelings. If you can feel a feeling, whether it's fear or hate or anger, and just observe it, it will pass in about 45 seconds. If you judge it, if you deny it, if you engage with it, if you engage with the story, then it will carry on further. It means you've moved out of that neutral observer space. Yeah. And so as you practice all of these things,

Our goal here, we are spiritual beings having a human experience. The ego is merely a tool to create physical reality. And this tool is to help us become, you know, you are here over many lifetimes and whether it's this lifetime or a hundredth lifetime in the future. You are here to become the master of your thoughts and your emotions and to be the embodiment of unconditional love, it doesn't mean you don't feel them. You might feel them.

You're the neutral observer of them. They pass. You observe it. You go, hey, wow, you know, I created that. That is pretty darn cool. Because when you come from a state of unconditional love, you can't experience the light without the dark. You can't experience the love without the hate.

You need these extapositions of experiences to be able to get the depth and to actually understand who you are. For sure. Yeah. And this is one of the things that's been talked about, speaking of my own works of historical dream literature, it's kind of my own personal course of study, masterclass in, for myself,

teaching me what, everything that's ever been said about dreams and whatnot. They're very often compared to different states of consciousness, like meditation. And one of the things I, I think that is very, they mirror each other in this way is that the goal of meditation, this ability to passively, you know, disinterestedly is not the right words,

but observe thoughts as they pass. That's pretty much exactly what's happening in dreams is we are, we come out of sleep with this memory of observing our thoughts as they pass non-directed without necessarily push or pull. Now that that changes with lucid, lucid dreaming where people engage with it. And that's fascinating to me. Never had a lucid dream.

Don't know what to make of that experience. So I put that out that. I try and separate out things like, I'm not so sure. I don't know what to do with, you know, psychic communication and dreams, prophetic, prophetic dreams. No idea how to handle that stuff.

So I set it to the side and I focus more on that. But speaking to which, though, we're running low on your time. I don't want to eat it all up. So we want to give you the dream experience. So why don't we look at, some of the stream of consciousness that passed in front of your experience while you were while you were sleeping you were you ready to do the dream thing yeah wonderful am i'm gonna have a drink of water first please please uh let me make a note of the time where is it 40 45 okay so per

my usual process i just shut up and listen and we uh you're gonna tell us the dream and then we'll talk about it so i'm ready when you are benjamin the dream wizard wants to help you here's the veil of night and shine the light of understanding upon the mystery of dreams. Every episode of his dreamscapes program features real dreamers gifted with rare insight into their nocturnal visions. New Dreamscape's episodes appear every week on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, and other video hosting platforms, as well as free audiobooks exploring the psychological principles which inform our dream experience and much, much more.

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like that. And then you walked out of the office into a hall and the hall went this way. So there's another office beside and then it went into an open space down the hall maybe 60 feet down the hall into this open space of say admin staff okay and outside so the hall had windows it was the second floor of a building uh it overlooked a parking lot in the city okay oh i'm sitting in this first room which maybe is uh 50 feet by 60 feet and um full of people. And I'm doing some work on the computer. Don't know what I was doing.

The work's not important, but I was doing some work on the computer. And my former, a client, who was a colleague at this time in the dream, was sitting in a chair, you know, like an office chair with arms.

And he's sitting in the chair and I'm chatting with him and we're having a conversation back and forth. And all of a sudden, I'm saying a few things. and he doesn't respond. There's somebody else beside him and they look at him and he's leaning back and his eyes are close.

So they opened his eyes had opened his eyelid and his eyes had turned inside his head. And they go, oh my God, you know, like he's totally out and something's wrong. And I jumped up and I looked at him and I kind of assessed him and I ran out into the hall and I ran down the hall and I'm screaming, help, help, please call 911, whatever.

as I'm going down the hall and I get into this admin area, about 60 feet down the hall, I'm thinking it simultaneously at the same time. Why didn't I just phone 911? Anyway, so somebody picks up the phone down in the admin area and they phone 911. And I'm now going back to the office I came from. And I looked out the window and all of a sudden it had totally transformed we were on the edge of a tropical beach. There was no one on the beach.

It was all pure sand. You could see crystal clear water in palm trees, but crystal clear water. And there was a shark up to the edge. And he thought he might have been eating a person, but really what he was trying to do was bring this person that maybe had drowned or was on the verge of drowning and unconscious trying to bring that person up on the shore.

So now I went from being in this hallway behind the window to being standing on the beach. I'm starting to run down the beach to drag this person out of the water. I realized this is what the shark was doing. And all of a sudden, this woman who was probably four inches taller than me, blonde hair all dressed in white, most magnificent, blue, eyes I could imagine. And she was standing right in my way. I'm running her and she grabbed me by my shoulders on each side, like bicept, each

bicep. And I'm trying to get around her and she was like a metal statue in terms of strength. Like I'm moving and her arms are not moving at all. She's trying to get my attention to look in my eyes. and as soon as I stopped for a moment, I looked in her eyes, I felt fully and completely, it just spontaneously came out of me. I love you.

And she responded, and then I woke up. Okay. That's actually a lot more than I thought we were going to get. We talked, we talked away all our time, so we're going to do the best we can for you. This is actually a decently long dream. lots of detail and elements in it.

So what can I do with the time we've got? Truncate things a little bit. Oh, let's, you know, 15 minutes anyway, right? Yeah. I mean, something like this, we could probably talk about it for at least two hours. Not kidding. Oh, wow. Not going to do that to you, but just just, so usually what I do is slowly go through each experience,

one at a time, make sure I'm seeing it through your eyes as clear. really as I can. We talk about what's happening around you in each moment. There's a whole kind of expansion of the dream into really clear focus. So, but this, this is all training for me. This is all, how do I get better at doing this? So I, uh, the dreamer can never do anything wrong. You didn't do anything wrong. I, maybe I ran us out of time. We, we work with what we've got. We do the best we can. And I'm, hopefully we'll get something useful for you. Um, but we're, um, so you, you started in a place that was a very real place. You did work in this place before and.

Oh, never worked in it. This was an entirely new building, never been in this building. It was just a, it was just a setup of the building. Fair enough. Fair enough. So I wasn't, that's one thing. Well, that's why I try and see it through your eyes. Like, do I understand this correctly?

That's that, uh, uh, feedback mechanism of like, okay, I'm happy to be wrong as long as the question gets us closer to the truth. So the setup of the of the first of there's two environments and a transition between the two of them. One one very, you know, city business, et cetera. And the other one very natural ocean jungle beach, whatever. Very, very interesting there too. So, well, it's all interesting.

So I say that all the time. But you've got so there's a right off the top of my head what I think of. is there's some fundamental change in perspective that is happening here that's you're saying, you know, look at this through this lens and this experience leads to the next one, which is a different environment. That's usually how they, how they're connected like that. So you've got a person who was a client, but now he's a colleague, if I understand. That's, that's interesting too.

So there's a, there's a relationship with, there's a different relationship. you're representing, what am I trying to say? It's two different ways to look at it. One is you are considering the concept of this particular person being a colleague in a business-oriented venture of some kind. Or you're looking at, so from client to colleague, it's a different relationship. What was the other half of that? The other half was, well, no, maybe that's it. What do you think of that concept?

What do you think of the idea of this person, you know, rather than serving their needs, you're more, there's more collaborative relationship. If I, if I focus on that. I think that could, I think that could be it. I'm no longer in doing that work anymore. So it's not even in my, in clean to have another business like that.

But, you know, I mean, I think, I think when I worked with him, it was more of a collaborative relationship. Fair enough. Okay. And he just, and he let me do the things that needed to be doing. So he really was,

even though he as a client, I was, just let me run with stuff. And then if I had an issue with something, he would get in and help remove the internal blockages within the business that, uh, I was working for.

Okay. That sounds like, he was very supportive. He was very supportive of me just taking it and going. Gotcha. So, so this is not a situation. of you reframing a relationship, but of you actually representing it as it was in more of a

sense of like you didn't put him in the dream as a client. You put them in there as a colleague so telling yourself, okay, imagine thought experiment style. It's kind of what we're doing in dreams is so you're in a business-ish setting. There's some venture going on. And I do that because it's not, I think it's about business exactly. I don't think you're telling yourself you want to start a new business, but there's like in the context of doing business, say perhaps. I'm in an area where there's, where work is being done, there's desks at my computer. I'm engaged in a conversation, communication with a person who's a collaborative partner. And suddenly that partner is unresponsive.

And it's an emergency. And you, you have this moment of, I need to go get help. As you're doing that, you think to yourself, um, Why am I not being the help? But you get someone else to do it and you run back. And then it is when you arrive where the room should be, like you come back down that hallway and suddenly you're on the beach. As I'm going down,

as I'm going down the hallway, all of a sudden I looked out and it was a beach and then I was on the beach. Yeah. Okay, there you go. That's actually what I was kind of seeing in my head there. So there's, I want to stop there for a moment to get your feedback on that. Let me run through it one more time. So you've got a, you've got a partner in a process or, and there's, there's good communication,

but suddenly there's no communication. It's something wrong with the other person. They're unresponsive. And that's a very interesting way to put it to because sometimes we're trying to talk to people and we're not getting what we need from them or they're not invested in the process or for whatever reason, you know, they stop responding. It's a breakdown in communications. kind of where I'm going with it, and you seek external help while questioning why you

aren't being your own help. And then something about, you know, but you do find external help and they make the phone call. And then something about having gone through that thought process outputs you onto the beach. So if I just stop there, what about that beginning section? What do you think about the way I'm characterizing? Yeah. Yeah.

I think that sounds reasonable. And then what we would do is, is how would you say that might relate to your, okay, when did this dream happen if you have a rough, a rough estimate? A couple months ago, I guess. A couple of months ago. It's been a little while for us to get together, right? Oh, yeah, this was pretty recent.

Was this when the dream came to you after communicating with me, booking with me, kind of having on your mind, oh, I'm going to get a dream interpreted. I better come up with something. Oh, no, I think you and I booked a year or so ago. And then I, this is my process. And I know I don't have a dream. And then I was going through Podmatch and I went, oh, yeah, I should look and see. That guy.

And then a day or so later or even before that I went, oh, I had this dream. Yeah. I'll reach out and see whether you'd be interested in doing it. Well, that's fascinating too. So just speaking about the process, and I think it all relates to it's not, not entirely a tangent, but very often someone will have a dream. And then the night before our talk, the interview, they have another one. And that's the one they need to talk to me about because, and it's something about, this is why I believe in the, not the only reason, but one of the,

one of the pieces of evidence, I think, for dream programming is the idea that very often, if we're going to have an opportunity to do something, we will have a dream about it because we're thinking about it in advance. How do I handle this scenario when I get, how do I make the most of this opportunity say or what do I want out of this experience or what am I afraid might happen if this all goes terrible. So we get all these all these thoughts ahead of time. So it's it's it's very. So this may in some ways relate to either you thinking ahead about collaborating with me. Am I going to be a good communicative partner? Is this going to be an emergency where communication breaks down? Like that wants one way to look at it. But it could also

be just considering more of that topic broadly. in the context of making the most of the opportunity of talking to me. Like sometimes we, we, we, we, we, we,

we, we, we, we'll consider the question in preparation for the, for the, for the, for the event. I don't,

I don't, that's kind of making sense. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't, no coincidences in life. Right? There's a whole lot of secrecy.

I'll tell you what. And it's, and it's, and it's also, it's not even, it doesn't even have to go to like spooky woo's the type of stuff, but it's, it's,

it's more like a very, There's very direct connections. Yeah, I mean, I think I had a, um, more, more than one person talked to me about, you know, the night before at some big event, I had a dream and it was related to the event.

Of course it is. It was what we do. Yeah, yeah, of course. We're thinking about the thing. So, yeah, not to demystify it too much. I think it's still amazing.

Um, so, but I, what I don't want to do is center myself and say, this was all about me. I'm the colleague or whatnot. But there's something in there about the collaborative, communicated process in terms of pursuing a shared goal or the the the consideration of

partnership um and then and then looking but but then why look at why look at breaking down why show yourself that sometimes the other person can't or won't participate fully that may be something personal to you in terms of you've had that experience before or you you you you just understand, well, that happens sometimes. And, you know, what do I, what do I do if it does? You know, we plan for contingency sometimes. I don't know if any of that is speaking anything. If you feel a zing, if you're like, you know what, when you said that, I felt something.

That's why I always stop and check in with people. I just, yeah, something did come to me and it's, it's going to be totally, possibly totally out of context. Maybe. Is, there's nothing actually outside of me. There's nothing outside of me. to you. Everything around you, you have created for your experience. And so, I don't know what that was. That was funny. And so all of these things that come into my life as so we can take it from your

perspective, but I'll just talk about me for a minute. Yeah. Everything that comes into my life, I have created to give me the experience that I want to experience. And, you know, if I deny it, if I reject it, if I judge it in some way, it will continue to repeat itself in many, many fashions until I finally accept it as part of my creation without judgment. And so what came up for me when you said what you said was that transition from outside, why did that break down, that collaboration process? Or is this ocean, this thought that there's nothing outside of me,

me anyway. So what am I to gain out of that person being unconscious, my colleague being unconscious? And then out on the sand running to help somebody else that's unconscious, and then being stopped by this woman, I'll call an angelic being at this point, who essentially stopped me. that's the communication that I'm trying to sort through right now in my mind is that everything, okay, so everything is actually love. You don't see it as love, we see it as anger and hate and figure out, but the only thing that exists is love. These experiences that come to us that we have created are out of love,

but they might look like anger and hate because we're trying to integrate these experiences without judgment and feel them. And what that does is that expands our depth of understanding of what consciousness is and who conscious, and what consciousness is and who we are. So as more depth, you integrate these things as your creation. You created it. It's not something to be rejected or denied.

It is you have created it to have that experience, to feel it, and that gives you a broader depth of understanding of who you are. Yeah. There we go. That's what I got out of what you just said. Very, very cool. No,

no, I think this dream is very, very much connected to your, well, of course, dreams are always connected to our thought process about different things, but I think it's definitely looking at your spiritual perspective on things. There's a good chance you were thinking about,

you know, sharing a dream with me and in the context of your book and your life experience and how you're going to perform is the wrong word. But the idea of like how, how am I going to communicate what I believe in the most effective way to this person to get my message across about love and light. And the other thing, so there's two, two things. I'll start with one of them and then we'll go to the,

go to the second one. I have a very similar concept. And I'm glad you mentioned it to the idea of there is not really, everything is love, as you said. And the understanding of that is that, you know, hate is not the, it's not a separate thing. It is the absence of love and the, in the way that darkness is the absence of light in that sense. Darkness is not its own thing. It is what happens when there is no light.

So hate is not really its own thing. It's what happens when there is, you know, insufficient love. And we move down that scale, the less love there. is the more we describe that phenomenon as feeling hatred, anger, all these, all these different things. I think I'm speaking to the same, a similar concept or explaining it in a way you would say, that sounds about right. You can correct me or we can move on. The other half of it was that I think we've got a dream going on here. And this sometimes happens. Sometimes the entire dream is just the question. And there is no answer. I think we have a question and answer dream here. So

the question is posed in the beginning and the answer is the beach scene at the end um and the way you're describing it is what is what gives me that that inclination to to to say that that sounds like this is that um full circle instead of just half the circle of of of a lot of dreams um so you ask yourself and then getting the best understanding of the dream and drawing the most meaning from it is figuring out what was the question and what was the answer well of course It sounds silly sometimes, but those are, that's not always easy to do. So this is where the analysis of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that showed yourself during the dream gives us those, those hints.

So we've definitely got this idea of, you know, productive collaboration in the beginning, communication breakdown and the answer. And, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, way of I think transitioning into into giving yourself the answer and I think part of that was doing it wrong at the end of that first section and you even kind of corrected yourself in the process why am I asking someone else to help me instead of doing that being the embodying the help myself um and then that's so there's a lot of um transitional triggers that that happen injuries you go from one section to the next and it's when one thought completes and the other one

the other one comes in. So the transitional thought then is that idea of, uh, why am I not being my own help? And the answer is the beach. So we got the beach scene. Um, suddenly you're,

you're out of a human constructed environment, buildings, business, uh, computers, desks. All of these things are human constructs. And then you're in the,

natural environment where as far as you can tell there's nothing man made around you you're on a beach there's water it's you know it's the the embodiment of a so very very much um things that humans cause to happen and things just being the way they are so you've got this kind of maybe almost as you were saying earlier taoist representation of of you know a state of nature you know the pristine may be untouched is a this is not there's not a situation caused by a person taking a action. Okay, I probably just said the same thing like six, six different ways. I'm trying to wrap my brain around it. Um, so you've got this, uh, and you make it a, uh, a scene of tremendous beauty as well. So there's a great appreciation for the natural world, not just environmentally,

but, but as a, um, what am I trying to say as a, um, I don't know. Can you fill in the blank there? What is, um, uh, uh, uh, as an unaltered and untouched form of nature. Yeah. Yeah. Just something being perfect just the way it is without needing anything to make it better. Something going on going on there in terms of the, maybe the simplicity of the answer,

the perfection of the answer you're going to receive there. Something like this is the completely natural way. And it very much fits, I think, with the idea of letting go of your thoughts. It's like we impose our will. And then there's just things being the way they are. And that's okay too.

And sometimes that's ideal. That's the best way. Okay. So you've got a situation where you've got this dangerous creature that you would think would be eating a person. And maybe that maybe that even crossed your mind at the time. But this dangerous thing in this natural environment is actually being helpful. It's acting like it, we would assume a dolphin would rescuing perhaps an unconscious drowning swimmer. And it wasn't a person you ever identified specifically.

Okay. So it wasn't actually like, oh, there's my friend who was unconscious and a shark is saving him. It's not even the same guy necessarily. This is why I would probably say this dream is an action about that person necessarily. It's more like that person makes me think of this type of relationship conceptually. So I'm going to plug him in temporarily to get the ball rolling. And then we're going to explore the concept. And you are again, now you are taking direct action.

Rather than running to someone else to get help, you're like, okay, here's a situation where I'm going to directly act to solve the problem and you get stopped by what you're characterizing after the fact, which is perfectly fair, as, you know, angelic being in terms of white robe, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes, just, just whatever your personal concept of like some kind of tremendous natural beauty in that sense. and it has it stops you from completing your self-assigned task and it has the power to do that but it didn't it didn't punch you it didn't run into an invisible wall that hurt yourself and bounce back and fall down I like to do these counterfactual sometimes but it did grab you by both arms in a way that

completely stops your forward progress. And it's, uh, at the same time, like an overwhelming, but an extremely gentle force. You know, it didn't cause you any damage, but it was as solid as a wall. And it was a personified wall. And the personification is, is, is, is, is of a being of beauty and love rather than something, something dangerous or threatening, preventing you. Um, if I just stop there for a moment and let you give some feedback on if you want to say anything I think that's accurate description all the way along. Okay.

Getting a vision of what it is. And so the initially it sounds like you were struggling. You know, I'm moving, but they're not. So you're like, don't stop me. I have a place I want to be. And this other thing is preventing that it's blocking your, the expression of your will in that sense. And she wants your attention.

There's something about her, about her desire in the sense that says, you know, you need to see what I am completely, but look into my eyes, fully see me. And when you did, what came out of you spontaneously was, I love you. And then you said, I think you said you also said something else, some other words. Do you remember any other? Oh, no. She just, she just reflected back to me. Same. She said that back to you.

She also said, I love you. Not, not with words, but just mentally. Got you. I woke up. You had the sure knowledge that she returned that feeling. Gotcha. And that's as real in a dream as seeing something because what are we seeing in our dreams? Nothing.

There's nothing there. It's all imaginary. So having a knowing, having a feeling, having a, a sight, sound or smell. It's all equally real or not real, so to speak. Yeah. So when people says, I don't know how, I just knew. I'm like, you just knew. That's,

that's dreams for you. So, and that's interesting. So what you're showing yourself is, is, what am I trying to say? An impediment to your will, but not from a,

this, this creature was not attempting to harm you in any way. What you showed yourself was, uh, that they were good, that their behavior was correct, that stopping you was the right thing because their intentions were pure.

Does that make, does that feel right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So there's something about, it looks like there's a desire in you to, to, and I say this without, you know, because, okay, I'll just say, say the words, there's a part of you that wants to be a savior.

But from a good place, I think, I also wish to save people from bad mistakes. If I can share my wisdom, my experience, and other people don't have to suffer as much, that's a good thing. So I'm with you 110%. Then there's people, there's a difference that people have a savior complex where they're doing it narcissistically. They're doing it to self-aggrandize.

I don't think you're coming from that place. But the message gets confused when I say, oh, you're, you just want to be saviors. Well, it's not just. We all do. If you're motivated by a love for humanity, yes, you would like to see them suffer less. So, so you're, what it seems like you're showing yourself is, is acknowledging this part of you that wants to be a savior and that sometimes you've looked outside of yourself to, to have other people solve that problem. Is nobody doing anything? Is nobody going to call 911? Well, they did, but that wasn't enough. And you're actually running back to, to take personal responsibility in a way to say, okay, let me act directly. Let me do that. And then pop. You're out on the beach and you're like, okay, well, let's say there was a person who was drowning and a shark. And I'm going to go save them. I'm going to go save them. I'm going to. to take that direct action and this this this positive energy the source of good stops you're saying you know well you are suddenly inspired to say i love you and you know that that feeling is returned

so there's something telling you you're telling yourself something about the nature of uh when it is necessary whether you should enact that role um i'm going to stop there i said a lot of things. What were you thinking in that whole process? Yeah. So I'm going to give you a response that I'm going to make just a general comment. Sure. The response is what came to me when you were talking was, you know, absolutely I would like to see

everybody around the world. Whatever path they take, join me on this journey because this journey will bring the world into a new era of love and peace. if everybody it's on this journey and gets this path you become the embodiment of unconditional love and it is not my purview

to push my way on anybody but if someone wants to listen and is curious you tell them and it's up to them to make the choice you can make whatever choice you want I don't judge anybody for any choice they want

they make, they can carry on the way they carry on. But if they want to change their life, this is a path to do it. Other paths they might find, but this is strictly a path to do it. The more people that get on this path, the more we become this embodiment of unconditional love, the more we change collective consciousness, it becomes this spiral of higher and higher vibrational frequency

that will bring this world into a new era of love and peace. And so the angelic being that's stopping me, I think is representation of either love that you are and don't force your way on anybody. Let them make a choice. Yeah. I mean, that feels absolutely right to me. It's funny, you know, you're saying that too,

and phrasing it in that way. There's an old joke in psychology. how many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the light bulb has to really want to change. So, so, but that's,

I think that's true too with these, um, ultimately, and in this context and, and I think in general, but we really can't save anyone from themselves. Like, I can't force you to change for your own good.

I can maybe use force to modify your behavior. But, I generally think that's a bad idea. And I don't know that it actually touches the core of someone. You can make them appear a certain way, but are they any different on the inside? Or they just jumping through hoops because you've got the crack in the whip? So there's very, this, this is how I would conceptualize this, this dream as well is, is, is understanding your own approach is that, you know, you're rushing to, for good, out, out of a,

a positive motivation. I want to save a person who is drowning. Nothing wrong with that. a good thing to want, but this angelic being pops up and says, you can't. You actually can't do this. There's the actual, you know, this iconic representation of angelic good stops you and says, there is, you can't do what you're wanting to do, even if you have the right motivation. Go ahead. So you all have free will. And that's what you, use your free will for us to make the choices of the experiences that you want to have in life.

It's not my purview to get in the way of that free will, but it is a goal for if you're curious about how my life has changed and want to know how I'm happy to share and even help you with that if you desire. But if you don't, and please carry on as you are, because eventually life will teach you that the only way to peace, love and joy is this journey within. Oh, Benjamin, I would love to talk to more about this. I have, I don't have time. So if you want to connect at some point and carry on with this conversation,

I'd be happy to do that even later this afternoon. But right now I, I appreciate that. No, we could wrap it up. I think we actually got something in the time we had available. And I'm very, very happy with. If you're satisfied, I am too. So I am very much. I think we could have gone in much more depth with it.

Right. You're absolutely right. Yeah. But I always love being tested. What can I give you in the time I have available? Yeah. You did. Thank you.

Well, let me do this. We'll just wrap it up to real quick get you out of here in less than less than a minute. This has been our friend Neil Elliott from Vancouver, B.C. He is an author and engineer. He's got a book A Higher Road. You can find that at a higher road.com. You can also find him at D. Neil Elliott.com, both of those links in the description.

For my part, would you kindly like, share, subscribe, tell your friends, I want to talk to you about your dreams. 17, currently available works of historical dream literature, the most recent, the fabric of dreams by Catherine Taylor Craig, all of this and more at Benjamin thedreamwizard.com. Also, Benjamin thedreamwizard.com building a community there, hop on in and talk to me about your dreams there. Once again, Neil, thank you. This has been a fascinating experience, always is.

Thank you so much. And yeah, I know it's been a real pleasure meeting with you and having a conversation with you. Thank you, Benjamin. Very nice. And everybody out there, thank you for watching.