Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 174: Yahshua On The Mountain

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Yahshua Meshilock ~ https://x.com/LottKeelo

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we have a guest dreamer, Yashua, Meshalak, sorry, I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, he can correct me, out of the Auburndale, Florida area. We're going to get right back to him in two seconds. Would you kindly like, share, subscribe, tell your friends, always need more volunteer dreamers you see last week I had no episodes. And so it just happens. Dreams come in their own time, can't control it, so I just roll with it.

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Thank you for being here. I appreciate your time. Yes, sir. So long. I'm going to arrive. Tomorrow. Wonderful. Well, he is at Lott Kilo on the X platform.

So if you want to follow him there, that link will be in the description below. Our friend isn't a content creator of any kind, like I very often interview. So we're going to skip the interview portion in the beginning where we talk about his work or his book or his podcast or whatnot, which doesn't exist. So we're going to get straight into the dream stuff.

So my process is I shut up and listen. Our guest dreamer tells me their experience of the dream. And then we talk about it and see if we can figure it together. So I'm ready when you are. It's a three-secret dream, right? So the first dream, I don't remember. The second dream, I was fighting too short. I killed one, the other one got away.

Then me and somebody else, which was a blue, it was a blue bin. We lifted out of the water. After we lifted out of dirty water, I was on top of a mountain water spill by myself. And then after that dream, me and my cousin was fighting. And I, when you, when you do a fight in a dream, you know, you can't fit, physically fit the punches and shit like that. And it'd be like, well, I ain't hurting them. But in the dream, I beat his ass, and then that killed them.

But I stopped fighting, man, helping them up. And I was the end. Okay. So you said three sequence dream. The first one, you don't remember. Fair enough. You know, just a fun fact about the dream. wizard here. I don't remember most of my dreams. Last night, I had a dream about Jordan Peterson.

I actually remember enough to say he was in it. I was on a road trip with him going somewhere, and that's basically all I can, I couldn't tell you any further details. That's, that's what I remember about my dreams is so vague. But I have them. They do occur. Very, very interesting. You know, anyway, it's not about me, but just to let you know. Um, so. So, So sequence, so sequence one, you don't remember. Part two, you're in fighting a shark, you said, a shark? We're getting a little. Two sharks.

One of the other one got away. Okay. So you were fighting two sharks. Yeah, it was a spill. We had a little audio hookup there. Fighting two sharks, you defeat one and one got away. Yeah And where did the

Third Section or sequence begin? Was it when you were on the mountaintop with the spear? No, I was in the back yard Me and my cousin was in the backyard I was naked Okay So part

And not be the aim Uh Okay All right, we got one, two, three Fast fascinating That's, you never know what you're going to get. Another, another tangent here. not. Last night, I was, I'm scrolling X, and I came across this compilation of, like, an 11-minute

video of all these different AI videos linked together. And what I thought was, the thought that occurred to me was just infinite nightmare machine. Some of these things were, were so bizarrely horrifying. I'm like, this, you know, AI producing images, a sequence of moving, moving images, so to speak, based on prompts is there's actually a strong analogy to how dreams work. Our brain is doing something very similar. It has all these images stored up. And it's thinking through these processes or thinking through problems trying to process what our experiences.

And it watching that video, I'm like, this is, this is dreams. This is how dreams work. This is like the, this is like machines dreaming. It's so bizarre. So bizarre. We're watching computers have a thought process, almost like we do. Without purpose behind it necessarily. Anyway, I'm going to go off on so many tangents.

I always do. No, you all right. Well, if you, you know, go ahead. No, you're all right. Okay. All right, fair enough. Just for the audience's sake, we can always, these videos are recorded. We are, you're not watching this live.

And so if there's ever need to take a break, to take care of personal stuff, I clear entire days for this stuff. I mean, we've got to be done by like five pieces for my video game streams. But and then to you, Joshua specifically, if you need a break, let me know. We can always duck out for 10 minutes. I'll go smoke or something. No, I'm here for you. I'll let me have a bend. No, they hand a binner.

Yeah, okay, good deal. Okay. So you're, uh, let's let me, let me start a new page here. We got just the baseline. Number two. All right. So fighting two sharks. So I assume you're fighting the sharks in water. Yeah. Yeah. He's saying a water. Now, I say I assume because it could have been in the desert. And that would mean something completely different. Like, okay. That is literally, that is literally fish out of water stuff right there. Why is a shark in the desert? That's fascinating. But it makes sense. sharks are in the water. Was it shallow water you were able to stand in, or was it deep water you were swimming?

No, no. They were deep water. I had that spear I was talking about. Okay. Now, what kind of spear was it? Was it the spear fishing spear or actually just like a regular spear? Yeah, it was like a wooden spear with a, like one of a sharp point thing. One of the top made out of rock stone.

What was the top made out of you said? Like stone. Okay. So it was almost like a primitive spear. Like handmade? Oh, no. Yeah. Gotcha.

Gotcha. With a stone tip. Interesting. That evokes kind of caveman imagery versus, say, I've been playing the game, Black Myth Wukong, and there's staff and spears in the game. And when I think of spear, what jumps into my mind is from the game, you know, like a metal-tipped Chinese style spear that some of the enemies have. but again not my dream none of this is in my head so um very very interesting on that one um how did you interact with the sharks like did they what was the sequence of events where they

did they attack you or did you initiate yeah yeah like it was like they were trying to bite me and I drew one in the throat but I mean the other one got away you shouldn't but this was in October or 2022, the ring was. Okay. That might be relevant later on. We're going to talk about that too. Okay. And was that the full sequence,

the escape of the shark, the second shark, and then suddenly you're someone else? No, I live from the blue card of dirt, the water. The end of the sequence is when I'm on top of the mountain. Okay, so what happened? By the initial blue card. Gotcha. Sorry, I didn't mean to talk over you.

So the sequence of events is you're in deep water. You've got your rudimentary cavemanish spear with the stone tip. You're attacked by two sharks. You stab one of them in the throat. They're trying to bite you. The other one runs away, escapes. And then what happens next is you said something about a blue cloud? Oh, a blue car.

I live in a blue car, I dirt or water, and I love to go over to my right. And there's a blue being next to me having me lifting up out of the water. Like I was swimming, we were swimming in a car, I had the water together. You said a car, C-A-R, a car? Yes, sir. A blue, so there was a blue car in the water. Yes, sir. So it was where or how did you see it?

Was it like sitting at the bottom? Was it moving through the water? Was it floating? No, I just would just lifting it up. You were lifting it up? The water. You know, something like

me and somebody else, the blue bin I told you about. The blue bin I said, that was beside me when I looked over. The blue ben? Sorry, a blue blue man? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I said a bean. But you could say it like that if you want to.

I'm trying. But it was a blue bean. It is a man shape. Yeah, it was like a man shape form. But it ain't had no skin, no none of that. And it's a blue with that blue. So are blue and black? You got a little bit of an accent.

I'm having trouble parsing. So it's not your fault. Bear? You sound like a blue bear. or a like a blue i'm hearing blue bin like a like a recycling can i'm so sorry oh being being oh a being being gotcha got you that's see that's my fault here with the accent i can't always okay so no you straight i can't i don't talk from oh no worries that's why we ask questions um so a blue being like but not that's interesting too is like you're not

saying a person necessarily. You're not, you're not saying a man as, as in a, what you're saying like some kind of a blue being. And then this being is lifting the car out of the water. I think we had a freeze. And it was right beside me and beside. Okay, so we got this blue being. It's right beside you.

And then you were, we had a little bit of an audio glitch. The, uh, it, this being is lifting an automobile, a car out of the water. Yeah, we swim in it up out of the water. Both for us and us, though. You get, you and the being get into the car, and the car drives out of the water, basically? No, no, no. Okay.

Nah, hell, no. You're under a car. You're under the car. You're swimming in a, you see, me. You know how superman picking up that. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.

So, right beside you a minute. So both of you are working together to, lift this car out of the water? Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir. All right. So, no worries, this is common.

This is what I do. I'm like, I need to see what you're seeing. And I don't want to get it wrong because then I'm seeing what I'm seeing. I'm not seeing your dream. So I always ask these kind of questions like, what am I? And I'm wrong most of the time. Like, wait, let me take. This is what I see.

That's not it. Good. Good. Correct me. Please. And then that was the end of that sequence. And then. sudden like fade to black scene change you're on top of the water too you got to put that you got

put that dirty water in that too and there's dirty water dirty water yeah you got to you got to you got to no no for sure i'm missing i'm missing something so that comes that sequence comes next the car gets out of the water no we're lifting it out of dirty water lifting it out of dirty water like muddy water so when you say muddy water it's um obscured It's like a cloud of dirt in the water so you can't see very far. Yeah, it was dirty. Okay. Is there anything else specific that made the water dirty?

Like when you think of dirty water, was it a specific kind of dirty? No, it's dark. It's dark and dirty. So dark, obscure, that kind of dirty, that kind of. Yes, sir. So you can't see very far. Limits vision. Yeah, so I like to do what's called counterfactual.

So I look at what it's not when you're describing things. So it's a specific kind of idea that water is dirty as in full of dirt, silt. And we can see that in our head, that idea of you put your foot down at the bottom of a clear lake. And then all of a sudden a cloud of dust flies up in the water and turns the water opaque, dirty. So you can't see through it. Then there's different kinds of dirty water like dirty water. think in a sewer. That's a specific kind of dirty.

That's a human filth, kind of infectious, nasty dirty. This was a different, so this is more of like obscuring vision versus nasty, filthy dirty. This is like a fish tank dirty. Okay. You are a fish tank, dirty fish tank. Gotcha, like a fish tank. That is why I asked. A dirty fish.

So like fish tanks, when they get kind of, they haven't been clean. in a while where the filter's not working well and starting to get mossy and there's little floaters in there and gotcha okay well so okay that is one full sequence and then that's the end hold on hold on no no no no that ain't in the internet the end of that's right that's right how do we lift it up out yeah we lit it up out and the water up on top of the mountain with the spill just standing on top of the mountain with the spill so like entire shit. Gotcha.

Do you have any idea how you got up to the mountain? Did you drive the car? Did you walk? Yeah. Suddenly you're just up there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

To help me see it a little more clearly, what did you see of the immediate surroundings on top of the mountain? Is it just like, this is trees on the mountain? It was just, it was just the mountain. No, it wasn't no tree. It was a mountain. He wouldn't just spurn some cloud. flowers you say

ain't had no shirt on no clouds and I ain't had no shirt on okay gotcha there's a there's a little bit of a sudden scene change there which sometimes

we might even consider this might even be the third section and then the next one where you're fighting with your cousin is the fourth section it's possible anytime it kind of fades to black and comes back and we're just suddenly somewhere else that's kind of its own

its own thing how how were you feeling up there? Like, did you have any sensations or emotions standing up there? No, not really shit. It didn't feel like victory. It didn't feel like peace or serenity.

It didn't feel like inspired by the movie. I felt like victory. After I beat my cousin's that's when it felt like victory. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, then that might be, that might feed into it as well

that there's maybe standing on the mountain being an aspirational place to arrive at. And so you show yourself there, maybe. And then there's a process you show yourself, which involves engaging with your cousin, the idea of, okay, well, how do I put myself on top of the mountain? And, and, you know, there's 99% chance this is not about you fighting your cousin. You know, it's, it's, cousin represents something else, some particular aspect of a problem you're, you're working to solve in your head. But we're going to get there. I'm, I'm getting ahead of myself. Um, So fighting in the water, deep water, you're not standing, you're swimming.

You've got this wooden spear, so you're armed, or at least you've got some, you know, capability of defending yourself. It's a primitive spear. It's not, it's something that would be effective, but simple. Or, you know, nothing fancy, but gets the job done. There's danger in the water. There's sharks that try to bite you. You stab one of them in the throat. That's interesting.

too. And then that scares the other one away. You demonstrate this ability to effectively protect yourself. And the other one goes, I don't want any of that takes off. And then that triggers this, the response of, of this blue being that helps you lift a car out of the water together. It's like maybe you couldn't do it on your own, but now you've got this, this help that's there. And it's blue like, like water, almost like it's made of the water in a way. I don't, I don't know what, it feels like this creature is. Any, any thoughts? No, I can't make it out of water. It was like, shit. Like a small... Like a spirit.

We got a one-know-you-see-to-from-her-law. No, it was like a soul. Like a soul. It was like a soul. It looked like a soul, a spirit. It was, yeah, it wasn't really see. through one see through blue. Like when it blue on the outside it when you get down to the middle and the center it get darker. So it's like you can't see through the, you can't, it's not transparent. Not fully transparent. Did it glow at all? Did it have that kind of like spirit, spirit looking glow to the exterior, to the skin or whatever? No. Nothing like that? Regular.

Regular. That's interesting. It feels. like a soul or a spirit. You know, it's not exactly, not exactly a physical being. It's more, more an idea or in essence. There's something, there's something you need to help you complete this task, this lifting of the car.

And why a car in the water, that's not something you find in the water very often. You find sharks in the water, but a car. When you think of this car being in the water, why was it there? What was the purpose of the object being a car? anything come to mind? Oh, I don't interpret, listen.

I ain't no dream interpreter, but after I had this dream, I woke up and interpreted for some reason. I don't wake up and interpret it during this, you feel it. But I wake up and interpreting this one time, and yeah, I know what it was. It is, yeah. This is a tough one here for me,

and this happens all the time, but not all the time. It's more rare, but sometimes people get a dream, and they wake up and they're like, I know exactly what that meant. Wow. And it's nice to have that kind of clarity. Sometimes that's like, that's actually, I would. Oh, no, I had a book.

I ain't know what it meant. Oh, okay. I had a book. I didn't know what it meant. You went looking? Yeah, I ain't know what I mean. Yeah, the people I stayed with, just the people I stayed with was firm believers in that type of stuff. It was Christians and they Christians.

All right. I got one of those books, too. It's ABC Book 2, The Mystery of Dreams. It's a Christian preacher from the 1600s doing a sermon on how to tell if a dream was sent by God or the devil. Very interesting work there. So I respect all the different traditions. And then, of course, I've got my own way. Well, what I was going to describe was the idea that sometimes people have a pretty good idea of what the dream is.

Maybe you don't. But then they bring it to me and they're like, okay, I'm not going to tell you what my conclusion was. I'm going to give you, I'm going to let you tell me what you think and then we'll compare the two. That's always fun too. It doesn't happen all the time, but I love it when it does. It's not, it's rare, but it's not uncommon. Happens a lot. That's what you want to mean, dude.

In some ways, yeah, like, don't help me too much. I mean, if I ask you specific questions, like what comes to mind when you think of the car and you have an idea. Go ahead. That's not the same thing as giving me the answer. at the end, you know, the conclusion of the full, the full thing. So, yeah, what did you make of the court? I ain't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I had no idea, but I don't know what it is, not, but it was the world.

I ain't had no, I ain't know nothing. I ain't know nothing. Okay. I looked it up, but so, yeah, the world. The earth, the world. So that felt right to you? When you looked at the possible meeting suggested by, by, by. the by the book. When you came across that, it says, yeah, it's like lifting up the world.

Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Interesting. I mean, symbols can mean anything. And it's always personal. So if you're looking, if you're looking at that like, so what does it mean to need spiritual help lifting up the world? You've got something. It doesn't belong there in the water. It's a car. Cars don't belong in the water. So you need to get it out. It can't be useful. to you in the water. It can't take you anywhere. It doesn't, it doesn't function in that environment. So you're using this maybe as a metaphor for, you know, engaging with the world, being effective in the world, tackling worldly problems. And am I going anywhere that like feels right to you with this description? You want me to tell you how I interpret it? You

me tell you high and took yeah maybe just just that portion what do you look up this we had a small glitch there i think you're back yeah yeah i'm here now yeah can you hear me say that you see oh i broke up too i don't put it with you too no you ain't break up i said i already know i'm not i don't know i'm not a So, yeah, take your time. It's something similar like that. It's similar like that. It's like when I went to interpret it, I just put the blue car,

what it said the blue car was that's in the world in place of the car. And I put the interpretation of the dirty water, which was said in place of the dirt of water. That's how I was interpreting. So it's like lifting all the world out of sin with the blue being, which is the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost. Okay. No, that works.

I like that. I'm writing that down. Lifting the world out of sin with the Holy Ghost. That, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. So the beginning portion of it then is more personal, it seems like. And the other one is more spiritual aspirational. aspirational so the beginning is your you're a go ahead it was I was in relationship right and I say I work into it at the time so I said one of them to come to the end is for the two

sharks I killed I mean for the one short I killed and one got away you see me so it's like one off and a fun to a end job of a relationship she and both of them bitch that ain't coming to a end that's how they end they're working Gotcha. So did you have any idea of what you were doing in the water before you were attacked by the sharks? Like, were you there for a reason? No. Yeah, I would just fight. You're just in there. And then you're in, you're in a struggle for survival. There's, there's interesting things like you weren't on land and you weren't in outer space. So there's, this is why I do the counterfactual thing. I'm like, okay, what was it not? So waters, humans have a very specific relationship with water. It's like, we need it to live, got to drink water. too much of it and you drown and large bodies of water are very dangerous because we're not water based creatures we're not we don't have flippers and gills and so we are vulnerable in the

water it's like that's not our element we're we're really good you meet a shark on land you got the advantage you meet a shark in the ocean you in trouble he's got the advantage um so you're in there you're you're in water that's over your head you're you know in that you know uh analogy type sense brains love puns and analogies like that. So you're in water that could be over your head if you were underneath it. And you're vulnerable, uniquely vulnerable in that environment to the most dangerous of predators. But you've got a weapon. You've got the means to protect yourself.

You've got some defense. But it's very simple, rudimentary. It wasn't a spear gun. You didn't have magic powers. again, the counterfactuals. But it manages to get the job done and demonstrating your ability to protect yourself effectively deters the other predators.

And then once you've, once you've, it's almost like you know you're vulnerable, we all are as like the human condition. But if you've got the right tools and you take the right action, you can protect yourself, then it shifts over to get raising the world out of sin with the power of the Holy Ghosts. Like, if I can just keep myself safe, I can focus on more important things.

I can do good in the world. Is all that feeling right or am I way off track on my description? As for me, I'm not to explain. I am in a feel vulnerable, but I guess you could say you're vulnerable. You ain't got, you ain't got the advantage, so. Fair enough. Maybe vulnerable's a judgment call on, on. I wasn't scared of that, though.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, you didn't feel like you were incapable of handling the situation. And that's good. That's actually good. That's like, what am I trying to say? It's like, it's like, you know the danger's there, and you know you're going to have to do something about it, but you're not.

frozen in fear. You just take care of business. You handle what you got to handle, even though you know you're in a dangerous environment. And sometimes you got to, and it's interesting, you stabbed the shark. You didn't stab him in the fin,

in the tail, in the gut. You stabbed him specifically in the neck, which also wasn't stabbing you in the mouth. Could have been, like, he's coming at, your jaws open, you hit him in the mouth.

You hit him like up underneath in the neck. No, no. In the boat, in the mouth. Oh, you did. So he did have his mouth open and you. Yeah. Okay, gotcha.

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And what you're going to do is go go right at it. You didn't dodge and come up underneath. You didn't stab them in the side. You went straight for the throat in the open mouth. That's a very direct, direct approach. I don't know what more to say about it. When you think about, were you just kind of forced into that because this is happening and I got to stab him somewhere? Yeah, I feel like, it's either me or though. Really?

Okay. You just, you did what had to be done in the situation. It's like three short, just circling it. Yeah. And then they come at you and try to buy it. For sure. That's a fantastic metaphor for just life and general. general. There are, we are, we are a person in deep water struggling to stay afloat and there's sharks

everywhere and sometimes they're going to try and bite us and sometimes you've got to defend yourself and, uh, yeah. No, that's just a just in general, powerful metaphor for, for like life. This is what we all have to deal with. Welcome to being alive. Everything's trying to kill you. Good luck. I'm saying. And then, and then you have kind of a scene change. So you get, through all this. And so you've got this metaphor for the human struggle for survival. You've got a metaphor for focusing on effectively partnering with the Holy Spirit to lift the world out of the dirty water, the sin of the world. So you've got this aspirational focus. Like, what am I doing with my life? Surviving isn't enough. There's got to be, I need a purpose that there's more important things to be done

than just stabbing sharks to try not to die. And moving through that puts you to a place where you're like, where am I heading? What's the point of all this? I want to be up on the mountaintop. And that the mountain top type of, and you've got your spear with you. And you've got your shirt off.

And I assume shirt off in the water too or? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So kind of carrying through that. Fair enough. You could have been, could have been dressed again, counterfactuals.

In a space suit, in a grass skirt like you do in the hula. Who knows? But it was just, you know, shirtless on the mountaintop. There's something about that that's a very, like Conan the Barbarian, masculine type of thing of like, you know, shirt, shirt off spear, conqueror on the mountain top. Skirt. Skirt. He had no grass skirt. And that's squirt.

Yep. So, yeah. And so that's like, again, focus. you know, where is this, if I do this, if I move with the Holy Spirit and lift the world out of sin, it will put me as if on the mountaintop. And mountain top means a lot of different things. It is, you know, king of the mountain. I'm at the highest point.

I've achieved many things. We always think of up as better or good or moving forward, progress, different things like that. But it's also the place, mountain tops are very spiritually symbolic as well because they're, they're the place you can see everything. You get that vantage point of looking down, not looking down in a negative way, like I'm better than, but like clear vision type of way. When you think of being on the mountaintop as clear vision to get the lay of the land, does that feel right?

Or am I going the wrong way with that? No, that's all right. And like conquer the world type of shit. Okay. Yeah, and I think we discussed that earlier, or at least I'd suggested that what was, you know, you asked me how I feel, but how I think about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, I did. And, you know, again, I'm not trying to substitute my own understanding for yours. It's not my dream. So, uh, uh, none of this is in my head. None of the answers are either. Um, so definitely, yeah, I ask and then you give me, this is how I felt. So yeah, definitely conquering. And that is, you know, if you're successful in this endeavor of partnering with the

Holy Spirit to lift a world out of sin, that's, that's a conquest of a kind. You know, it's, it's imposing your will on the world. It's prevailing over over struggles. And that's definitely being on the mountain top. You know, that kind of thing. But you show yourself there and the dream continues into the next sequence where you're struggling with your cousin. Oh, you need a minute? All right.

Do you need a moment or we're back? Yeah. Let me test my own big moment to have brought my son. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, take your time. To call me. Messing up my video. Life happens. These are the struggles. That's all right. I'll probably take, you know, well, you know, I might, I might leave it in. It depends. Sometimes I'll cut out a chunk, you know, same difference is taking like a two-minute break.

And then I do a little edits and no one even knows. Do you leave it in? I'm mad. It was, it was quick. And we talked, we talked it through anyway. So it's interesting. for people to hear what's what happens um okay so there's there's um there's usually a connected series of thoughts like dreams they're bizarre and weird and we don't even realize how strange it is like what the hell by doing the water and then how did i get on a mountain top doesn't have to make any sense in a practical physical real real world sense but they always connect logically in the thoughts that's that's what i'm trying to do when i'm putting these things together is like why did you

see that? What were you thinking about that made that connection make sense? And there's the sequence of events going from, and again, I'm repeating myself, but it's good to kind of lay it all out there. How do I engage with life, you know, the dangers and the struggles we all got to go through? What is my, what is my direction, my purpose, the partnering with the Holy Spirit, raise the world out of sin? And where does that take me? It takes me to the mountaintop, but that's not the end of it. I've got, I can't live on the mountain top. There's no other people there with me. It's great to live in to have moments of victory. But then what is, uh, what do I think?

It's kind of like Moses. He's got to come back down from the mountain and take the word to the people. So if you're like, okay, if I succeed now, what do I do? I got it, I got to, I got to bring this back to my family, my friends. And, and maybe that's where the cousin comes in. And, uh, so the sequence on the mountain top is very brief. It's just you there. very strong image of that you didn't do anything else while you were up there

yeah no no okay you know i got to take in a picture that I'm posing for a picture so you were posing for a picture on the mountaintop like feels like it okay that that is that is unique too it's like uh I think that feeling fits with it it's like capturing the moment like make take make like making a mental note in a way like saying don't don't forget this take Take it with you. Take some evidence that this happened and bring it back with you. But also, posing for a picture is like you're going to share it with other people. It's maybe what do we do?

When we're communicating with folks, we're saying, look where you can be. Look what you can accomplish. Or look what I've done so that maybe you would listen to my advice. And I can tell you how to get to the mountain too. There might be all of that wrapped up in the picture, picture element. But there was no one there to photograph you to take a picture. You know, fair enough, fair enough. But you just had that feeling of like, you know, gotcha.

And then fade to black scene change, you're in your backyard, your backyard? Yeah. Well, I was living there at the time. Okay. Gotcha. And this was, is it okay to say whose house it was that might be relevant? It might not. It was a woman named Miss.

Eric. Okay. We don't know. I didn't need a name, but thank you. I meant like, yeah, you know, I'm staying with a friend, family. So staying with, uh, with a, um, romantic. They were, on the, interest. She, they were strangest at the time.

Okay. And so you're in this backyard and specifically your cousin is there. But they're my girl. They're my girl people, though. But they were strange to so, yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Um, if you describe it to me, was anyone else there?

Was it just you and your cousin in the backyard? Yeah. We were just fighting shit. You know, there. Like, I felt the punches. Okay. No, be there there. And he was on the ground bleed.

So I reached out my hand and helped him. Let's start fighting. I'm writing this down again. Oh, I ride so slow. So, and I think that one of the details you mentioned was that you were now completely naked in this part of the journey. Yeah, yeah. And that's, you know, that has a, that has a very powerful symbolic reference, I think, for people to, that we mentioned vulnerability, but it's, it's not just the vulnerability of being saved without armor. It's it's it's it's it's the vulnerability of of complete honesty in a way it's like look I am

I'm not wearing anything that covers me that that hides anything I am disclosing everything I'm telling you the full complete truth there's does that feel right in that section that that's yeah I ain't look at like that I didn't look that up got yeah yeah there's that's not always like if I say that and you go no no it was something else I'd go with your understanding If I say something, you're like, yeah, that feels, that feels right. So I think that's the, that's a good way to look at that type of thing. And this is, there's this communication process and it links to that idea of, I'm on the mountain.

Now I've got to go back to the real world and bring this message. What do I do? Okay, naked, the full unhidden truth. I'm going to tell it like it is. And you're in this, this fight and you've got a, I'm going to assume you don't regularly, or at the time, you weren't regularly fighting with your cousin. You didn't have throw down, you know, fist fights with your cousin. No, not.

Did you have a general good relationship with him? I mean, yeah, yeah. Okay, good deal. So this is definitely like, this is not a physical fight. You're not fighting for your life. You're not defending yourself. He's not a shark. But this fight feels more like a metaphor for confrontation, for disagreement, for a contest of ideas.

Does that feel more right to you? yeah yeah I've been waiting on fights in my brain game one yet so I guess so good deal um yeah yeah that's what I'm saying this I don't I think you're you're seeing a physical representation of a fight but this is more of a verbal argument this is more of a contest of ideas like so if you what you're showing yourself it seems to me is you're more like I've been to the mountain you come back let me tell me you about it let me convince you that my way is the best and what you show yourself is having the ability to defeat him in this contest of of ideas of verbal argument uh uh and what you do

you know he ends up with with a with a um visual representation of having been defeated on the ground blood you know that's with the with the fist fist fighting thing um but what do you do you go you go to lift him up again you're like you're like you You know, I'm not here to destroy you. I'm here to help you, to save you. So you offer him a hand, and he takes it, and you help him up? Yes. Yeah.

And then anything happened after that? I woke up. That was the end of the dream. How did you feel when you woke up? I got to honor. I felt good. I felt new. I felt good.

I felt new. I felt new. I felt a new. person. But then I wouldn't even crippled no more. I used to be crippled. In my left side, and I wouldn't even crippled no more from a dream. Tell me, tell me a little bit about that. What was the left side crippling? Shit, I couldn't walk. I could barely walk, but I couldn't run no more. I couldn't jump. I used to do bikeflips and play football, basketball. I couldn't do none of that, but it was

only for a year. It was one thing. I had a stroke when I had his axis. I had an axis on my gun. And it was black. It was a black axis. I don't know how I got. black but when I was sleeping I was gonna swallow it. I felt like I thought I had died but I woke up this morning and I was crippled. Like my left lower side lost nerves. I couldn't control my nerves. My lead usually, it started shaking like after that it

starts shaking and shit like that. But I tell you, that happened in October 2021. After the whole year, October 22 and 2, I had that dream. I went to heal no more. After I got on work, I went to try a little basketball, jaw down the road. Wow. So you went to bed that night with your left side, having nerve trouble and shaking, having difficulty controlling your muscles.

You woke up in the morning, and it was just done, gone. Yeah, I thought I was going to die for that. Wow. So you thought the stroke and the effects of that, the physical effects on your left side was going to kill you? Yeah. It's not waking up from the dream. You thought it was going to kill you? No.

No, that's when you woke up feeling good, felt like a new person, and then you realized your physical symptoms. That's amazing. Here's the thing. Please. Go ahead. After that dream, I start cussing for five days straight. I start smoking weed 2am like a month. miles on 80s. I used to cuss like a sailor. Wow. I just thought cussing out of blue.

Straight out of blue. That was amazing. Five days straight, pill. So for five days after the dream, you started cussing more or stopped completely? I didn't know. I stopped. I stopped completely. And you said you used to smoke a lot of weed, but during that period, you also quit that, just stopped? Yes, sir. But I, yeah, I'm small enough. Gotcha. Well. KJ.

N. KJ. N. KJ. N. KJ. KJ. You need a minute? No.

I sent him. My son was in there. Yeah, go here. Okay. That is amazing. So let's put that aside for two seconds of physical. That's amazing. I want to talk about that.

but do you feel like we tracked a reasonable arc for the story of this dream and what's happening? Does it sound like what we've described so far? Yes. Okay. I'm just checking in because, you know, that's, that's all those, what I'm trying to do is like, what is the thought process we're looking at? What is the, you know, what, what is the story? What is, what is the, what is the, what is the dream saying or what happens and what does it actually mean? of course that's dream interpretation but but but it should connect it should make sense uh so you've got

you've got this very very powerful imagery all the way all the way through it a very deeply meaningful personal personal stuff to like to the core of what you're what you're what you're dealing with in life um and coming out of it i okay so we'll stop there we'll say dream solved in that sense i mean we think we got a reasonable story that makes sense all the elements fit together and connect the dots connect but this physical side of things. So you are not the only person who has reported the cessation of physical symptoms, the cure of an ailment after a dream and waking up and it's just gone. This is the, in my dream books that I've, that I've, you know, produced lots of stories of very similar things.

Physical problems being diagnosed in dreams and then treated. And also people waking up from dreams like problem solved and they don't know why. It's like what, how does that even happen? I don't know. That's some amazing supernatural shit that I'm like, I can't tell you. I couldn't predict it. I couldn't tell you how to make it happen. But I believe it. And this is what I'm saying. Like, I believe the stories in the book.

I believe the people telling those stories are not lying. I believe you are not lying. This happens to people. I can't explain it. Did you talk to anyone about it and get their stories? Did you more people tell you that they had similar things happen? I think you might be frozen again. I'm sorry.

No. Talk people about it. saying nothing about the healing part, but I had other people tell me to interpret it. Well, one person telling me their interpretation of it. I ain't never had nobody else. Gotcha. What did that person tell you was their interpretation? How did they, what conclusion did they give you?

It was nice. It was decent. It was on the right path, I guess. Yeah. It was good. Did they get something similar to what we got out of it? Yeah. but they were talking about Marines Marine water like she was talking about something like

basically like oh theme shit that was speaking on demons she said she said the sharks with demons that's what she was saying oh that yeah yeah she was she did good she did good she did good she did good that's pretty interesting and they very well can be i mean angels and demons are i think people don't understand what they really are in a way like and i'm barely starting to get a grip on on how those things work but there are there are forces in the world and and you know i i believe very strongly now more than ever that demon possession is real that people get possessed by the spirit of you know we'll say the seven deadly sins they get can possessed by the spirit of lust or or wrath. And that possession drives them and dominates their choices. And whether you think it is a

physical being that can appear and touch you or not, it is, you know, that's one of the main dangers we face in the world is other people possessed by demonic forces in the sense that they're, they're not seeing you. They're not there to help you. They're there to get what they want from you. And if it hurts you, so be it. And a lot of people act like sharks when they're possessed. you know, by these, in the same way, you can get possessed by angels. You can invite angels into the spirit of mercy and forgiveness and, and generosity.

These are, I think, real spiritual forces that, and we get, the beautiful thing, demons and angels can't possess you without permission. They don't, you have to invite them in, and people do. They give themselves over to these forces. And you want to make sure you're giving, you're inviting in the right forces. You're inviting in the, the spirit of generosity. and goodness into your life and not

demonic forces. I'm going to shut up for a second there. I don't know if that's your understanding of it. Oh, we got an audio question. I know what you mean, but that wasn't my understanding of my own dream interpretation. Gotcha. Yeah, I'm speaking generally now more than specifically for you.

But it very well could be. I mean, the idea of, I hadn't thought of it, and that sparked that whole side train of thought. But the idea that sure, sharks could represent demonic forces in the world and you're vulnerable to these things and they they will attack you. That's that they love nothing more than hurting and causing pain and destruction. That's like the essence of the demonic. So it makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. The whole shark thing. Any other elements that this, this person told you that were a little different to mine or added some insight that I didn't have? No. Nothing comes to mine. Okay. Excuse me.

That's fine. I'm just curious. I tell folks, too, I mean, I've got my own way. I've got my own method. I've got my own insights. I'm not the only one. I'm not the end all be all of the final word on dreams. Now, maybe I know more than most people, but there's a lot of people that have lived with this information and studied it themselves.

And they're going to have maybe a unique twist on things. So talk to more than one person. Talk to me. Hey, I'd love to hear from you. But you can also ask your friends and your family, share these, these experiences and say, you know, I want to understand. Go ahead. yeah this is a thing on my post though I ain't put blue being I put it with somebody beside me and she interpreted that part too and I said and there's somebody else tight shit I had to tell

her it wasn't no no physical being no physical flesh person it wasn't nobody with a face so I had to tell her that and fix that so that was a little off too foreign know so yeah absolutely well that's good that's the value in talking about this stuff with other people as they ask you questions that you hadn't considered like oh i hadn't really looked twice at that let me look at it and then i can give you an answer now that i think about it um that's good too that you know it's very likely we we get the good answer you know you uh you said holy spirit absolutely but it's also just the general idea of human beings are limited sometimes we need help.

And that help is not, it doesn't have to be a specific person, but the idea of a second person, the idea of help itself, the idea of in partnership with someone. But then that someone can also be the spirit of God, you know, the Holy Spirit itself, giving us the strength we wouldn't have alone

to lift a car out of the water. That's something that you don't think a human being can do on their own. But, you know, then you get the concept. This is how our brain works to you, all things possible. with God that kind of a thing if that's a part of your belief system you're gonna see that in that representation here's something I could never do alone but with with the help of the Holy

Spirit it becomes possible yeah if that's if that's your understanding that's a that's then that that's what you're gonna see yeah I started playing with clouds and stars and I it's do you um did you talking about like trying to move move clouds with your mind type of thing yeah yeah I I I listen to, I don't know if you hear the show, Tim Caste, he's got this guy on there by the name of Ian, who's a very, he's an interesting

character, he's nod, he's a bit hippie-dippy and into the magic, magic stuff. He says he can call weather and dissipate it, and he says he has some evidence. Yeah, make the rain stop and make the rain go away and

no. Yeah. I don't know see, again, I believe people when they, when they tell me things. But I couldn't explain it. And I can't make it happen myself. So, but there's a, there's a grand tradition of this going back to, um, all kinds of, you know, native or Indian or indigenous people traditions of shamans having this ability is that people can't explain. I don't know that it's not true. I don't know. I, we got stories and, and I would love to see it happen. And, uh, I would love us to, to be able to, see, I don't think there's a difference between

science and magic. I think, I think, I think magic is just processes we haven't yet described by the scientific method. So I think if we can prove this stuff and the conditions it happens under, then we realize magic is real, man. Yeah, I don't know how to know magic. I know about some guru, but I don't do no magic. I just do that universal stuff. Fair enough.

Yeah. Like changing. And like changing $1 bill into $100 bill. I do stuff like that. Oh, like a magic trick, like a slight a hand. Yeah. No, no. Well, I think of like magic as, yeah, it's hard to describe.

Not just slide a hand stage magic. I mean like real. I think of ideas as magical. So for example, before you don't know something. And then after you know it, where did that come from? What happened between the knowing and the not knowing? There's a magic in that gap that we don't understand. Where do new ideas come from?

Nobody knows. Nobody has any idea. They just appear as if put there by something else. I think there's magic in that. That's kind of magic I'm talking about. And magic also relates to understanding concepts properly. People think of alchemy as, you know, just trying to pour chemicals together. Well, alchemy became chemistry.

Now we can. We can invent all kinds of things. We didn't have plastic in the world until we figured out how to make it. But alchemy is also philosophical. It's about the concept of transformation. We can transform ourselves. We can go from one person to a different kind of person. There's a magic in that transformation that we can accomplish, you know,

if we have the right mindset and the right understanding of the process. I see you're muted. I'll give it a moment. We're almost done anywhere. We're about up to a moment. Yeah, I'm mute. I don't know too much about no asking. Fair enough.

I know. I guess, yeah. This came out of nowhere. I just started out of nowhere. I just started out of nowhere. I just started the stars in the class. That's the way. What is you doing?

We got a little bit. He wants to be on the video, too. He's got things to say. We had a little bit of audio glitch there, but I heard what you were saying, you know, you maybe haven't studied some of these things as much as I have. I got all these words and ideas about it. But I guess, I guess the final thing to do is to wrap up is to show, you know, you said after this experience, you had a physical change in your body.

Something happened that healed you. And then for several days afterwards, you had a behavioral change as well, where you're like the urge to say cuss or smokeweed was gone. And what I would ask then is what else changed about your life? How did you put this experience into practice in a way that changed how you behave or interact with the world? What would you say?

Before that dream, I was hearing voice. I started hearing voices by getting on March. 222 right and I was dealing with that all year and I was going crazy from from that I ran around with a gun trying to figure out who my old lady

who was who disrespected me with my old lady but I didn't never figure out who it was it's like after I had that dream I had put the gun down and I stopped stressing about the voices so it's like I was in control or the voices I could handle them

and that's how that felt and we ended up breaking up as we broke up go back to my house and the house where the hoops and rain come through and I used to pop

eggs pills at the time being so I started moving to clouds like when it rains I'm moving from over the house so I won't get at the house like

just to see how to those fire out night the air we're getting some of that audio glitch happening again sorry wipe well I think the Wi-Fi's got to catch up it might be sorting

itself out I'm getting little moments sorry this happens it's not you know not anybody's fault I think it's catching up. Oh, I think you're back. Wow, that was a long one. Yeah, yeah. I see you now.

That happens. I was having, I was having internet problems last night. My games, my video game stream crashed. Just couldn't, couldn't keep broadcasting. I don't know what it was. It's never happened before. My machine was fine. I think it was just internet problems. It happens. Yeah, so I was asking you about how things changed after the dream. And it seems like, Before it, you were under a tremendous amount of stress. There was a lot of threats in the world. The voices and the relationship problems. And you almost did something permanently terrible and maybe hurt your life moving forward.

But after the dream did anything change, you were describing that the voices stopped, the physical symptoms. But like behavior, like your new mindset of what am I trying to say, like a different approach to how. how you're engaging with life. Like an epiphany that says, okay, I've got to do something different. Now I'm going to do it this way. What do you think? I was just trying to figure out.

After that happened, I was trying to figure out what I was supposed to do. What I was going to do this. I just started moving by the spirit. Man, my mother was like a cat. He used to get a calculator. Then I used to watch movies. I watched a video game.

And I just get all the knowledge from my dog while and why. I'm watching it. Like, more to come by. I watch him to play more to come by. And then this, say, it's spinning. I went to be in a big, and I said, I didn't know, I end up to work again. Mm-hmm.

I, you know, pulling my job. I had to start to walk home from work. I say, I walked to home. I walked two days, and I quit. So I ain't walking no more. But then I end up trying to work again. I end up trying to work again. And I ended up working at Applebee's, but I'm in there watching the fire trying to pay me the fire why the people cook.

So I ended up quitting that too. I said, I just start working. Gotcha. So the change of mindset appears to be, you know, a refocus on trying to walk with the spirit. Trying to be like, you know, let me, you know, become more of an age and a guy in the world. No, like I am, you know, Christ. uh, aside.

I, uh, yeah, that's what it's kind of be. Okay. That's what I say can be. Gotcha. Yeah.

I think, I think that's very, oh, go ahead. No. Okay. Uh, I think that is, we were talking about that,

like the, the, the, the, the spirits you invite into you, to, to possess you, to inhabit you. And that's the idea of, you know, they say let Jesus into your heart, let God in, is, you know, to push out the evil.

It's because they can't coexist in the same place at the same time where God is, the devil isn't. And vice versa. So if you open yourself up to that and you say, I'm going to let this be my guide. I'm going to let this show me the way. Then that is what you will act out in the world. And I think that's what most people should do, you know, if I'm going to tell people how to live. I mean, yeah, focus on the good stuff and, and letting, letting the positive and not just positive, but like spiritually meaningful good, the essence of good, good itself motivate you. And like, that's what I bring to these dream interpretation sessions.

We're just two people talking about dreams, no big deal. But I want to give you something useful. I want to give you an understanding that then you can, you know, solve the mystery. And that just feels fun. It's just solving a puzzle. But also something you can take away with you and say, now that I have a clearer. understanding of what I was thinking, now I can do something with it. And I'm just, so what I'm opening myself up to is the spirit of being beneficial to, to you, to every dreamer in some way. And I hope

that's, I hope that's what I accomplished through these things. Even if we never get an answer, as long as it was a fun experience and, and you learn something along the way, it's good enough for me. Yeah. Good deal. Well, I don't need to keep you all day. I think we got a good discussion and a very interesting dream out of it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a prox. Very nice. I appreciate it.

Well, hey, let me do the, let me do the, I'm going to wrap it up, and then we'll talk for a minute afterwards. All right. Sounds good. All right, good deal. Well, let me do this then. Where's my notes? This has been our friend,

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