Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 175: Wizardly Ethics

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

JJ Flizanes ~ https://jjflizanes.com/

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we, oh, we have our friend JJ Flizanes. Is that correct? Okay, I just suddenly lost all confidence in how to pronounce your name, Flizanes. Yeah, JJflizanes.com, link in the description, of course. I forgot to ask if it was okay to say where you're at in the world, roughly, you know, like city and state or... California. California.

Oh, there you go. We're both West Coastie-type folks. Okay, so our friend JJ is an author and podcaster, and I wrote this down because my memory is crap. She works with conscious spiritual truth seekers who want to remove emotional blocks to success in health, business, and life by helping to identify patterns of self-sabotage and to transmute struggle into joy. That's good stuff. That's what I'm trying to do here, you know, the struggle of interpreting dreams that transmuted into something useful and joyous. We're going to get right back to her in two seconds. Would you kindly like, share, subscribe, tell your friends, always need more volunteer dreamers, viewers for the video game streams, Monday through Friday, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Pacific.

This episode brought to you in part by ABC Book 6, Studies in Dreams by Mrs. Mary Arnold Forster. Fascinating, like a self-assessment, self-case study written by this gal 100 years ago of her own experience with lucid dreams. So you can get that, of course, at Benjamin the Dreamwizard.com, including downloadable mp3 versions of this very podcast. If you would also head on over to Benjamin thedreamwizard.locals.com. It's attached to my Rumble account. I am building a community there, and that is enough out of me. JJ, thanks for hanging in there through the shilling. Got to shill myself, of course.

No worries. Thanks, Benjamin, for having me. Absolutely. Well, we were talking before briefly, and you have written books of your own. I don't know if you want to talk about that first or your podcast experience. This is the part of the show where we talk about anything, whatever comes to mind. Gosh, well,

where to start. Part of what I do, yeah, you just open a big like, start anywhere. Okay, well, what is relevant to your audience? If people are here about, you know, I guess I could lead by saying that over the last six to 10 years, I've moved from, and I was sort of actress, I'm a Pisces. I have strong intuition. You are too. And so through acting, personal training into what I'm doing now, which is helping people with core wounds,

rewiring core wound patterns, helping to unblock patterns that prevent success in all areas of life from health to relationships to money. over that time, I was led to believe that people were either born with a strong intuition or not. And while I had certain levels of intuition and clairvoyance in different areas, or not just clairvoyance, one of the clairs or a couple of the clairs, by hanging out with a very good healer friend of mine who was born much stronger in that department than I, I learned and I realized that a lot of intuition is based on trust and trusting yourself and trusting the hits. And so I created a course called strengthening intuition because I over time have seen my intuition increase by using it, by trusting it, by leaning into it. And for me, dreams come into that as an example of our ability to get the message from our dreams. Yes, there are definitely dreams

where I have on a hike after waking up with my partner, I've sort of discussed it out loud to sort of see what comes up and what do I feel about it. And is there a message in here? And what do I think this is about? Like not incessantly. but just out of curiosity and being a kind of an observer. There are times where it's very clear right away what the overall message is. Sometimes it's premonitions of things that are about to happen or a clarification or for me, don't worry, this is going to happen. Here's the dream to prove that.

And I'm like, okay, cool, it's coming. I saw it my dream. It's coming. So it helps to not wonder, it takes some of the worry away if I tend to go down that path of obsessing or something. So, but, but I find that I think what I want to share with people who are either coming on your show for, because they want to figure out their dreams, that I want to break the myth of that, that you can't become more intuitive and you cannot become more, like we all have access to that

part of our brain. We just haven't either used it or activated it. And, and it absolutely can be through many different methods. It doesn't mean someone's going to turn into a fully six-clair, you know, 100% kind of person overnight or even ever in their lifetime, but we all can strengthen our intuition to understand and know and to receive information in different ways and learn to trust that. So just in case anyone's wondering, because I think that there's a power that we all have. It's our vibration. It's our frequency. It's our interpretation. And I love too, like when people

come to me and tell me some dreams in the coaching that I do, I'm definitely not a dream interpreter by any means. But there's, you know, you can assess some things. There's a pretty obvious themes that happen in certain dreams that you can, and then of course the person's relationship to it, it's sort of like pulling tarot cards or pulling goddess cards. The energy that you, like what you get shown is in a match

to your energy going in. And so it'll never be wrong. It'll just be a reflection of what's going on with you in that moment. If, of course, you're centered and intentional and present. If you're not present, then you may not be connected to what you're doing,

but that all can be learned. For sure. No, definitely. And I wrote down a few notes because I'm not going to remember half the stuff I wanted to say. I'm like, oh, wow, this is all really good. But working backwards a little bit, the last thing you said, the idea of you, you saying you're not an expert in interpreting dreams. I would also say, actually, I am not an expert. I might know more than most people.

I might have looked into it a little bit more. I might have had a lot more practice. But part of what I'm trying to do here is say, you can do this for yourself. You can just watch what I do and kind of how I float through this process. And speaking of intuition, my process is completely intuitive. I didn't, I didn't, you know, and that's, that's another thing about intuition, the idea that people dismiss it because it's unscientific. You can have a gut feeling that's wrong.

You can. You can have science that's wrong. You can conduct a faulty experiment with, with bad, whatever, and you can get bad answers. So it's, it's not like one is necessarily better than the other, but it can be very difficult to know which intuitions to trust or know that your understanding of, of an intuition is correct. And I think that also does take practice. So this is all kind of wrapped up in this bundle of things of like the longer you,

the more, the more attention and focus you bring to trying to develop a skill, the better you're going to get at it. I think that works for things like intuition as well. Absolutely. I want to bring another perspective to actually make it science because I believe that it is, there is no wrong. it's about the frequency that you're on.

So if you're interpreting something or I'm intuiting something about somebody else, depending on the gap, the gap of where I am versus where they are. Because I had this happen to me all the time with my personal training clients. When I finally decided to leave the personal training industry because it was only using 25% of my gifts and talents,

like I saw things very clearly to me on the frequency I'm in, which was higher than most of my clients. I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean that I didn't, I have a broader perspective. I have a, I have a different relationship with the sciences that I use in the work that I do, including quantum physics. You almost have to be to be a guide in some ways. Right.

A little bit more than someone or you should be learning from them. Well, it's about the perspective. Yeah. It's what's your perspective and what are you, what are you considering? Like, I teach a class called the three reasons why talk therapy is ineffective. And it's on my website. It's free. But one of the things that I explain in sort of the emotional processing realm is the different,

And there are a lot. And I think on the slide, there's maybe, I don't know, like six across, three down. Maybe there's like 18. I don't know. There's like, there's a lot of different factors that influence our interpretation. And so, but let's just go with physics for a second. Let's go with quantum physics and vibration and frequency. And everyone understands, and I'm sure that's not new to your listeners, but, you know,

everyone understands that back in the day when we have a radio dial that has a number on it, and which most of them do, you know, I'm listening last night on the drive home from L.A. I was listening to, I was like, oh, I'm in L.A. I get to listen to this 96.3 station that I can't get up in Ohio, right, because the frequency doesn't reach up here. So when I get in range, I can tune into 96.3. But if I want to hear 96.3 and I'm on 94.5, I'm not going to hear what I want to hear because it's on a different frequency.

So it's the same thing vibrational for our experiences. Every experience exists. every negative, every positive experience, you being sick and ill and dying, you being thriving, healing and whole and abundant and happy and flourishing exists. And it exists in this plane and other planes right now, all of it. And where we decide to tune into is what we experience. So someone who is, I've had people who have said to me, like, I had a massage therapist once. And she, like a weird person.

I didn't really love her. Her frequency felt like the, like felt kind of anxious and stuff. And she told me things. Oh, actually, let's say she's my example of the day that I actually understood in a cellular way frequency. I understood it for a long time intellectually because you get it, right? People know things. But until you live them, until it's in your body, you don't know it. You understand it, but you're not living it.

And my ex-husband and I were out at the beach with his brother with his best friend and two girls he brought from Colorado and they were falking in the sand. And I remember, this is before, I have an iPad, I don't have a smartphone. So I wasn't texting anybody. I wasn't distracted. We weren't in a full on deep conversation about anything. We were kind of observing what was happening in front of us with his best friend and these two girls. And I remember being pretty present. I mean, yeah, we were talking, but we weren't, you know, I wasn't distracted.

And that on the drive home, he said to me, did you see what those girls were trying to do to you? And I was like, what? And he was like, they were trying to bait. you. And I'm like, okay. And I totally 100% believed that he saw what he saw. He was convinced and convicted that what he saw existed. And I didn't doubt him for a second. And that was the first moment I realized, oh my God, here's the prime example of I did not receive that. I did not see that because I don't live in that frequency. He lives in a frequency of always wonder when everyone thinks about him. And I don't care. So most of the time. So I wasn't literally in the place to

receive that experience. So when it comes to intuition, somebody with a broader perspective might be able to see back to my personal training clients. You know, like I have a book. It's called messages from the body. And so when I deal with people with any kind of disease, illness, pains, whatever, I'm referring to the book because I want to know the emotional root of this pain or disease. And I looked at once with one of my clients and it was so obvious to me. I'm like, oh my God, this is you. And then he read it. And then he read it. And he was like, no, no. I'm like, are you kidding me?

Are you kidding me? But most people don't have perspective about their programs, about their patterns, about their habits and how they appear in the world. Like they don't have. And so like he was completely disconnected from this very clear, like this is exactly you. Like he had type one type two type one type one type one diabetes, I think. And anyway, it was just totally him. And then and he didn't dismiss it.

he just didn't get it. And, but it's not that I was wrong. It's that he didn't, he wasn't in a place to receive that vibrationally because he doesn't have perspective. My consciousness, my point of view is a lot larger and really looks at all these different factors. And his is this big and doesn't look at other factors because there's a no any. He's not interested in things.

So that's just to say that I actually believe that it all could have value. It doesn't mean you have to accept it or agree with it or want to stay with it. If somebody sees something for you, in their frequency because that's that's where they are it might be useful to listen to it might not resonate at all but it doesn't mean it's not true it just means that they're in different frequency than you are yeah i definitely use that concept of a frequency and resonation especially in what i'm doing the dream work thing it's that's making more notes here the idea of um not only is my process intuitive but the but the um spontaneity of suggestions that i bring to it uh is is completely

intuitive. I just like, I feel like this might be relevant. Let me share. And then that gets, that gets checked or bounced back or I say, does that resonate? And sometimes I say things about a particular dream experience or I frame it in a particular way. I say, what if we look at it from this angle and a person goes, whoa. And I could tell they just felt it. They felt something. That's the zing I'm looking for. And it's like, it's like the moment of epiphany. I mean, people describe it a lot of a lot of different ways. But, uh, um, um, Uh, this relates to one of the first things I wrote down, uh, way, way back when, when you started describing what you do and, and how you approach it was, uh, a quote that's often attributed to Socrates, but it's actually, it was, it was, um, uh, like written on the, on the Oracle of Delphi's, know thyself. And that was the purpose of going to these oracles was to find out things about you, about your destiny. Um, and, and to receive these messages from poor girls huffing fumes coming out of a cave and, and, in Greece, but that is also the purpose of my work in dreams is like, you know,

I tell people, the answers are not in me. It's not my dream. I'm not hearing the voice of spirits. God's not talking to me. You're telling me something. You're inviting me in to look around inside your head and your experience from your perspective. And we just, we talk it out together.

And hopefully that results then in better self-understanding. And that's 99% of the, of the, of the. you know, getting started on something is seeing it for what it is. Because if you don't, if you don't acknowledge it, number one, it might as well not exist. It's not on your radar. It's not, it's, you're never going to do anything about something you ignore. But also you've got to not just notice it, but actually see it for what it is. Then you can decide how to approach it.

Because if you see it for something, it's not, you're going to take all kinds of the wrong tactics to try and address it or move, move from it. So that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's. There's a lot of overlap between what you and I are doing. I think it's very much in the same ballpark. I'd have a tiny year slice, I would say. I just do dreams. Well, yeah, dreams definitely.

And depending on, speaking of like my personal training days, the brother of that client, who in life was very, well, he's a business owner. He had a lot of responsibility in his shoulders. He wouldn't. I remember when I had fibroids. and I tried all kinds of like natural things. And I actually did remove, release, whatever, one on my own. Didn't result result in a lot of blood loss, which wasn't awesome and everything.

But when I got done with what I did, which wasn't surgery, I remember him saying something about he doubted that he's like, well, you know, you talk about this, but then you, like, you couldn't heal that. And I said, you know what I realized is that I wasn't supposed to because I am so far removed from Western Medical, that I had no, like, and from what's going on there, that I had to experience what I did to help save a bunch of uteruses because it's unnecessary. And I was flabbergasted by my entire experience from start to finish from the process, not to mention, it did increase, like, my own intuition and sort of second guessing of things. Because I remember that I was going to do

surgery at one point. And I, but every time I went to go to the doctor and schedule it, I was bawling my eyes out. Okay, and I teach law of attraction. Hello, I'm crying. This is the third time. It happens every time. So here's the thing. If the decision that you're making is an alignment with you, you will feel relief, not fear.

And so every time I'm like, I want, hello, like them third time. I'm like, hello, McFly. You do not believe this. This is not your path. And so I listened to my intuition on that and my intuition. Oh, that's a fun story. I mean, it's not a dream, but it kind of goes in and out. So I, so I didn't have the surgery.

And I, and for two years, I continued to do sort of alternative things. And, and then, you know, my body kind of grew and changed. But there was a procedure. It's called uterine artery embolization. So there's no surgery. There's no cutting of anything. It's just inserting sort of pellets so that blood flow stops. And, and, and, but it's very, it's safe, it's effective.

But, you were told that if you wanted to have kids or whatever, it was not good. Like, don't do that if you ever want to have children. So I said, okay, well, then I guess I can't do that. So then now I go on my merry way and I do all my things and I'm doing all the two years worth of stuff and the firebirds are growing. They're not. I mean, at one point, I did release one. And like I said, it was a very, I was very anemic.

Blood flow went really down. But before that had happened, I had said to myself, like, I got this intuitive hit that said, my body said to me, okay, it's time. go back to the computer two years later go back and check that procedure again now that procedure two years before that was you know a fertility like no no and now two years later it was a fertility preserver so now the data has changed and now they're like yes this is a good thing to do so i was like okay so now it's time i'm going to go do that thing um but when i actually did that thing and like every step of the way i was just floored with the lack of of tools and

perspective and flexibility of Western medical. I mean, I went to, like, gynecologist, I was given her all these different ways to deal with the thing. And she, like, said no to all of them. And I'm like, you're not helping me here. Like, here's your problem. Here's your solution. You've got drugs and surgery. All right, let me give you 10 more that I thought of. And I'm a very well-educated health professional. And she nixed all of them. And I was like, man, you guys suck. None of you want to actually problem solve for real. But at the end of the day, what happened was exactly what I said was going to happen. Everyone fought me. The doctors fought me. They told me to get a hysterectomy. I said no. The gynecologist said, you make me nervous because you could be in surgery.

You could have sepsis and die. The doctor's at the hospital threatened me. You can bleed out and die. I'm like, uh-huh. And how much pressure I got. And I, because of my own knowledge, I was so in shock. And I'm like, and I can handle this because of who I am. But the average person is not going to get out alive here. They're going to listen to the doctor because it's the doctor and they're going to pressure them. But, you know, when I finally went back to the gynecologist after she and I, you know, came up with a solution and we kind of discussed the things and I made her nervous. And I said to her, it's going to be okay. It's going to happen the exact way that I'm telling it's going to happen. And then exactly that's what happened. And so I came back now that I've proved that I freaking

know what I'm talking about, you know, because anyway. But so it all kind of, it all worked out. but I had to go through that because I'm sitting in my bubble of my reality, which most people don't live in. And so now I go into the bubble of everybody else's reality that does this kind of stuff. And I'm like, I'm horrified. I'm like, oh, now I understand. So I told him, I think this is why I had to go through it. Can I heal? I've healed all kinds of other things for me and other people. But this was a lesson that I could not have learned any other way. I had to learn it that way. So, but, you know, again, that intuition piece that like allowing your body to talk to you, which it does in a dream and subconscious, right? So I use my dreams as, obviously, as messengers, as confirming, and as

connection. So back to that client who had that doubt in me, he was that kind of guy in life, like when he was in his waking state, big burly guy, very open, big, big heart, big, oh, God, worked so hard, means so well, but like a little closed on the emotional side, even though he was going to therapy and whatnot. He just didn't, he thought I was cute. He didn't don't want to deal with this stuff. But I'm telling you that man when he went to sleep, anybody who had passed over was in his dream, having conversations with him. I mean, he was so connected in his dream state. He'd come and he'd tell me about this dream. I'm like, oh my God, she came to you. And he totally believed it and knew it. It wasn't, I'd have to convince him.

He knew that his dead ex-girlfriend who came back, like was actually her, not a memory of her, a new moment, a new connection, a new conversation. Another guy that worked for him, who died also came back. Like he was like this, he was just this channel. I was so impressed with how not connected he is in his waking life, but how super connected he is in his sleeping life. Yeah,

definitely. That's, uh, well, working backwards a little bit there. Just a, last, last comment you said.

So I don't discount the possibility of visitations from the deceased. The books I've published are full of accounts that I don't think the people are lying. And I don't think people who. tell me they saw a relative. What I can't do is distinguish between that and the, what was it, the memory of a person, as you were saying. So I stay in my lane and say, I got to, I love the spooky woo. I think it's fascinating and probably more real than I will ever know.

But I don't know what to do with it. I can't differentiate it. Like if someone came to me and said, I have a dream I think is prophetic, Ben, can you tell me if that's true or am I, is this wishful thinking? I can't. I can't. Oh, well, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I look at it like I'm, I've, uh, stay, as I say, stay in my lane and I say, well, let's look at the psychological side of things. But I think that's plenty useful and fascinating, uh, all on its own because, and this is again, kind of working, working backwards here. One thing I wanted to throw in there is I think it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a blessing and a curse. And I think you're similar to me is, you know, we're both perfectly polite and friendly people, but I think we both have a, a strong disagreeable trend.

So I'll say, no, one's politely and then I'm going to stop being polite. It's like, you know, this is, I think it's a very useful tool for, for investigators to be a little more disagreeable. It's like, you're not just going to swallow what other people tell you. You're going to look into it yourself. You're not just going to bend to experts. You're going to be like, this doesn't make sense to me. And then, so I think it's easier for folks like us to trust our gut than, than people who are a little more, a little more on the agreeable side, where they're a little more go along to get along, a little more. I'd rather have harmony than be correct.

I'm a little more focused on facts. And anyway, I'm not trying to tell you who you are, but I've sense a. of a kinship on that, on that disagreeable side in the personality scale sense. And it's not a bad thing, you know, of course. No, no, well, as a Pisces, I mean, generally, I mean, there are many more planets to just your sun sign, but Pisces are sort of the last. So we have everyone's good stuff and bad stuff. So we've lots of layers of processing.

And we've, and we're at the end. We're, you know, it's the end. It's like the old old wise man. So there is a perspective that an Ares doesn't have because the first I'm on the planet. It's the first. I mean, again, there's other signs to consider in the chart. But it really is, I mean, my brother is a. Um, is a, I don't know why my phone is bringing.

Sorry about that. That never happens. Um, I don't buy a ring. I think I have it off, but I can never have it on. Um, so my brother, if you need to take a break, uh, go to the bathroom, get a cup of tea. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. No.

No. No, no. No. It's perfectly. This is perfectly. Lousy-goosey. I'll just cut it out if we take a break. It's, it doesn't matter to me.

Go ahead. No, no worries. And my brother's in Arias, we couldn't be more different. And, and that's part of it because he's like literally the first time on the planet. and I've been here many times. And he's coming back, but he's like a new soul. We look at life completely. I think I've been around before.

Oh, you've definitely been around before. Right. Well, people know when they're old souls. People don't necessarily know when they're young souls, though. It indicates a lot more struggle sometimes, a little bit more. So people just want it to be easy. So they listen to the doctors and the government and they don't necessarily want to go out and research.

In fact, I had that conversation with my mother two days ago about my family stuff. I said, look, I said, I know you did the best that you could. I said, but you know, you're of the generation and so is your parents that, you know, you have a child. You're like, okay, I'm the parent. You're the child. You listen to me. And that's, that's it.

I'm like, that's not how it is. Don't you notice that every generation gets faster and faster and smarter and smarter? Why is that? Because they're more expansive. They're more conscious. So it's time for you to learn something new about what in this past has not worked for you. So it's time to get everyone's head out of the sand and learn something new because there's a parent, that is your job to be the parent for your child, not the other way around. So it's your

job to grow and most people aren't told that, but that's the job of your parent, of being a parent. I don't care if it's a fur baby or a human child, but you are requested to expand because and for this being that you are taking care of and having in the world. So she's a Pisces too. She's a Pisces too. She's gets very overwhelmed, right? Like I think people get very overwhelmed. Like you mentioned the prophecies of of dreams. And I think when I first noticed, I mean, this has been happening for a while, but there was, probably was 2018, 2018 or 2019, I woke up and had a dream about a guy who I knew that I haven't talked to seen.

I didn't see it on social media, like for years. His name was Tyson. And I got up and I said to my partner, I was like, I had the dream about Tyson. I was like, I haven't thought about Tyson in years. I wonder what that was about. Come to find out he had a heart attack that night. Yeah. I believe those stories are absolutely real.

And I don't know what to make of it. I don't know how that works. That's, I would love to find out someday. But there's, there's, you know, a strong likelihood, I believe that we are connected on levels that are not physical. Like, it doesn't have an explanation. Of course. Well, we're mostly energetic.

We, yeah. I mean, I'm with you 100% on that one. It's like I feel uncomfortable a lot of times talking about some of these subjects, not because I don't find it fascinated, but because it's so far outside my wheelhouse. And I'm like, I don't feel like, I don't feel confident in my ability to speak on it well or explain it or give answers or perspectives that are unique or interesting. So, you know, I don't avoid it. I mean, like I said, I actually have a friend in real life who told me I had a dream. And one week later, that exact sequence of events happened. I believe him.

I know he's not lying to me. I don't know what to do with that. I like, that just, it's the moment so I go, wow, that's crazy, man. Well, can't we just think it's cool? Can we just think it's cool? That's exactly. I do. And don't think that we have some bit of our subconscious that we can ask, that we can say,

hey, I want to know if this is true. Can you help me see things? I think that's the nature of what we are doing. We are asking, what is it? It's the proper understanding of say the biblical. I'm not a Christian knight, but I appreciate all the different philosophical traditions where the truth is. So there's a ask, asking you shall receive in a way. And it's kind of, a lot of people read that as the idea of,

make a wish and the genie of the white, white beard and robe up in the sky will grant wishes. It's not exactly like that. It's like, if you don't seek, you will never find. but if you seek, if you put yourself on the path towards a direction and remain dedicated to, you will, it's the only way you can get where you're going or achieve something. So there's, so asking ourselves these questions, putting our, putting our focus and attention on things, we get these, we get surprisingly useful answers. And that's one thing I was going to say too, is that, this is way back there too. It's the idea of intuition, pattern recognition,

and absorbing information. So we've got our consciousness is a funny thing. It's a tiny fraction of everything that's going on in there physically and spiritually. Our body takes in so much sense data and processes so much stuff that it's impossible to attend to it all. We attend to just a tiny fraction of what we're taking in. So it makes a tremendous amount of sense to me that we're going to, if we ask ourselves questions, we can get answers to bubble up that are that are relevant to the question. So that's kind of where I was going with that whole thing and that's I think that's

what what dreams are is maybe sometimes we we have this intuitive sense of something we need to know. We haven't even, and that's another thing I wrote down too is, you know, our brains put together things that we don't have the awareness or ability to consciously express. And then that comes out in this, these, these forms of images and and, and, Yeah, I think my working theory, you know, dreams are always some manner of problem solving, some manner of processing a situation to try and figure out, well, what do I think or feel about this thing that happened to me? How do I understand it?

Or what do I do about it? And I think there's actually three. And I can't remember what all three of those two of them. Anyway, and there's my, it was my puppy. He's on his. Oh, there you go. He's getting down. He's an old man.

He came to us to retire. But anyway, that was my rant and I got distracted by a dog. I'll throw it back to you. Well, so all the dreams that I can think of were things that again between. So Tyson, and I didn't know at the time, my ex-boyfriend had taken his life on my one-year marriage anniversary. And I kept seeing pictures all over the internet about him and his brother. And I was like, what happened? And then I found out that he had killed himself.

And then, but then he came to me in a dream like a day or two later. And I was like, okay, he's good. Benjamin the Dream Wizard wants to help you. Here's the veil of night and shine the light of understanding upon the mystery of dreams. Every episode of his Dreamscape's program features real dreamers gifted with rare insight into their nocturnal visions. New Dreamscapes episodes appear every week on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, and other video hosting platforms, as well as free audiobooks exploring the psychological principles. which inform our dream experience and much, much more.

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and at Benjamin the Dreamwizard.com. I just needed to connect with him. And I can't demand it because actually my cat died Monday. And my partner said that she had come to him. And I was like, okay, great. I will just lean into that she came to you. She hasn't come to me yet. I had a dream.

I don't know if it was the night that she died or the next night. But I remember, the only thing I remember about the dream is. So I think I was trying to think. I was hearing like barking or noises, like animal noises, catfights, actually. I was hearing catfights. So maybe it was the day that night she died. Maybe I did hear that, but I didn't know that I heard because it didn't wake me up. But in the dream, I remember hearing kind of cat fights and I went out to the back to look at what was going on. And there was like, you know, when you're growing up and you make the like shoebox houses or the, or the 3D sort of open-faced

you know, like little bedroom scenario and you got the clay people. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, it was almost like that. It was almost like I walked outside and I saw this what looked like a contained area. It was only three walls, but it was attached to like my property. And somebody, and then she turned the lights on. And there was a green, like fake grass bottom.

And there were a lot of cats. And I don't know if they were fighting or not. not, but it was almost, it was almost like she was doing something secretly in the dark. And then I turned the lights on. I was like, what's going on out here? Like quiet down or something. And she's like, oh, no, no, sorry, sorry. And then that was that.

And again, I don't remember if that was the night she died or it probably was the night she died or possibly the next night. It would make more sense if it was a night she died because she was taken by a coyote. And, but I didn't really understand. So if we want to go on that, but before we're going on that path of that dream, because that is definitely the most recent dream and that's only a piece of it. Other people, like a business partner of mine, she had died and she also had come to me. And I was like, okay, she's good. And then like other cats of mine, one of my very first cats. Like he came to me and I was like, okay, he's fine.

Like so I get a lot of, you know, I use my nighttime sleeping to connect and ask for, please show me that you're okay. Please connect with me. Let me know that you're good. And it happens a lot. My hormones were kind of off this last couple of months. and and I really wanted my cycle to be reinstated and installed. And so, and then I had a dream that I, it did. And so I'm like, okay, it's coming.

And they did. You know, so like, again, it's, I, that's my relationship to my dreams is sort of information. And I know that they're all not true, like the thing with the cats in the backyard. Like that isn't a fact. That isn't a reality. Yeah. But it's like, what's the message in there for me?

What's the thing I'm working out? A dream from when I, in like, a last relationship, when I started that relationship, I had ended another one and that one was that one did not end that one didn't feel completed. I didn't have resolution with that. So then as things went bumpy in the night in my new relationship at the time, I remember kind of, and then that person kind of came back into my space because the way he ended our relationship was lame and stupid and it was because he was afraid. And I knew that, but he confirmed it.

But I, but so I started sort of, I go dancing and I gone salsa dancing and and but chock does a very central dance. Anyway, I saw him and I dance with him. Nothing happened in the I cheated kind of way, but I, you know, but it's pretty close when you're kind of having sex on the dance floor. It's totally legal and clothes are on and there's no, you know, bodily fluids being exchanged in any way, shape, or form. But, but there was a part of me that like was sort of second guessing my choices. And then I'd had a dream at some point in further down the line of the two of them. Like I was sitting at a, like a vanity. And I think. they were both there, like the old relationship and the new relationship. And I don't remember,

I just remembered that that dream helped me to realize that I was still too stuck in the last relationship to truly move forward and that I needed to make a choice. And I needed, I couldn't do, I couldn't continue doing this bouncing back and forth. It wasn't fair to anybody, especially me. And that's some very interesting imagery too. So you said sitting in front of a vanity and also the word choice. So it pops to mind when you think, well, what is this? So they call it a vanity, of course, because it's, you're looking at yourself. Oh, because that's vain. But it's also, what we say, let's hold a mirror up to ourselves. And so there's that self-assessment thing. You're like, you're in this place where you would spend, where it is, it is natural to reflect.

And again, using that same, we talk about that metaphorically, I was reflecting on myself and my problems, looking back or examining. And you've got, on either side of you and you have to choose a direction. So I'm looking at myself to say, what am I? Who, what am I? Who am I? What do I want out of this? You know?

And yeah, and that's, I, that's probably the same epiphany. I would have, we would have worked out together to say, yeah, you're, you're looking at like, I'm still holding on to some of this baggage that's not letting me move forward. Bam, we got our story arc or pattern, all the, all the, all the, all the imagery fits to for, for that experience. That's exactly. that's exactly what I probably probably would have suggested. I did want to ask, we can move into the dream thing. We're doing it. We're talking about it. Initially, we,

you weren't sure which one you wanted to go with. You're like, well, just let it be spontaneous. We can also talk it through and say which dreams feel most interesting to talk about. Or the only thing I would say is, you know, this came to me a moment ago. It was like, we'll probably be better if I didn't have a dream that was, had too much, possibility for supernatural stuff in it because then because I'm going to set that aside anyway and look at it from a different angle. So if you tell if you have a dream of like visitations, be like, well, maybe. But if it is, then that's, that's what it was. That's the answer. The answer is it was a visitation. It's not, it's not really something I can analyze. I guess is what I'm saying.

Well, I think that over. I mean, I don't know if I want to go down on the cat one because I'm literally, this is like the first day I haven't cried. It's very fresh. It's the first day I haven't cried yet um yeah i was a mess all week and um i mean i'm i'm i'm better but but yeah yeah yeah well this one was too and the whole coyote thing was like tragic and yeah anyway it's one thing when you you know when an animal's sick and you kind of are preparing and you're taking action and you don't feel so helpless oh and this was completely i mean that wasn't helpless and that i could have made her stay inside but this little soul was like not having it she she i mean we did everything and she kind of part of wild animals they're going to have it right live in nature yeah

right well she wasn't having it and you know because i people sort of tried to shame me on that one like we'll keep her inside i'm like um do you think that i didn't try that right but at what cost at the cost of her peeing on everything on her bullying all the rest of my animals on dug being upset of like furniture and all the things like at what cost her not being happy nobody's happy like um yeah but there you know i i have and i don't this is like subject related versus like specific. I have had several dreams about my past relationship, but not in memory.

They're all new. They're all, and I don't dream a lot about my current relationship, even though I know I'm where I'm supposed to be. There's no doubt, and there's no doubt 100% that I am not supposed to be anywhere other than where I am.

But it concerns me, I won't lie. It concerns me that I have. And I feel like it's my body working stuff out, like working, I don't know, what it's working out, but it, like, just the fact that some of these dreams are, like, that he's in it. And I'm like, I don't like that. Why? Why can't it? I mean, now, granted, let's go through the amount of time it takes to process someone who was in your life, who you thought would be in your life forever. And it's, and we were together 13, 14 years total, or 13 years total.

You know, and I'm only in six years in this new relationship. So, you know, in terms of time, like, there was more experience. There was more growing up. There was a lot more. emotional, like emotional, like charges like in all ways, shapes and forms from happy to sad and desperate and desolate and hopeless. So, you know, that probably entered my subconscious in much more powerful ways. Well, those are the most powerful memories and the ones attached to strong emotion. I mean, we don't tend to remember all the times we were bored and nothing happened. It's when we were excited, when we were scared, when we were in danger. Though these things really imprint themselves.

And then a lot of times they also become iconic of certain types of feelings, depending on how strong the experience was attached to a specific emotion, then that can come back in dreams. So did you want to pick one of those recent dreams? I don't know that I have the details of one of those. I think just the conceptual idea of it. But I have a memory of a dream I have not had in a very long time. but it was a dream, it was a feeling that I would have.

It was a dream. So what would happen? And it's probably happened, I don't even know how often it happened. It didn't happen like every month or every week. Definitely didn't happen every night. But I feel like it happened a couple times a year or at least twice a year for a while. And it was the dream of feeling like someone has broken in and I can't move. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Like I'm, I'm trying to move. Like, I'm trying, I'm scared and I'm trying to get up and I can't. Like, my body is frozen. It is solid. It is concrete. I can't move. Again, that has not happened in, I don't think it's happened in six years.

But it's happened, you know, but it used to recur somewhat frequently. Like more than I, the fact that I can remember that I used to feel that is, you know, it happened a bunch of times. Absolutely. Do you have a specific instance of experiencing that? type of dream that we could look at or um because it's hard to usually what i do is and people want to this is this is very natural but and very common in talking with folks they want to tell me the type of dream it is over time and and the common elements but there but i actually kind of work backwards okay i want to i want to look at one instance of it to figure out kind of what

it is and then we start comparing it to the other ones rather than trying to jump to the conclusion first. Well, the thing that I haven't had it in a long time, the theme was, it was I was laying in bed, someone, I hear, you know, someone, maybe I feel like someone has intruded the house, I'm by myself, and I can't move. And I want to get up and I want to run, and I can't. And I'm literally trying. I'm giving it 100% of my effort.

And I am in down, not by a person, just by whatever. Like, and so feeling like you're frozen. Yeah. that very much comports with the, what were identified 200 years ago as typical dreams. The idea of, it commonly expresses itself as attempting to escape, say,

running away from a monster, but it feels like your feet are stuck in some molasses or you're, or you know, you're trying to fight, but your body, you have no control over your body and you can't throw an effective punch. A lot of these things are being out of control of the body

or paralyzed or, you know, unable to escape from a present danger. But if we looked at that just thematically, I mean, these dreams were occurring when you were in a relationship that later ended because it wasn't, wasn't working for you.

Right. And you want to cut this, Benjamin. I just want to make sure, because I'm looking at my screen. Did you record this? Yes. Yes,

I'm recording it on my local software on stream labs, OBS. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's fine. I'll leave that in because normally people use Zoom to record, right? Right.

I'm looking like, I don't see a Zoom recording happening. So I should have said. So I use Discord primarily, folks out there in the audience. I have a Zoom backup. Some people don't want to create a Discord account. Some people, it won't let them in. And we don't know why. And it's not their fault.

Sometimes the audio is messed up. It's a technical difficulty shit happens. If we are using, if you are a guest on my show and we are using Zoom, feel free to record it yourself. You can, and also, after these episodes are published, they belong to you as much as to me. You can make clips. You can share them with friends. You can auto tune, remix something funny you said. It's fine with me.

It's, I'm not, I'm not stressing about it. I'm not, and we don't do, I don't have folks sign what, you know, contracts or waivers or there's no fee. I never charge any money. We're just two people talking about, I do this for fun. You know, it's a business, but, you know, buy my books. You want to support me, buy my books. this. I'm not, I'm not interested in the whole, I used to make clips. It was so much work.

Like, ah, forget. Nobody watches them. It doesn't matter. Okay. Back to your dream thing, though. So, yeah, so you were saying I was in a relationship that was that ultimately didn't work. I think it happened before that relationship, too, though. I think, like, I think this has gone back over many years, probably more than 10, that it happened and that it would happen not regularly, but occasionally enough that it's a very recurring dream. Yeah, for sure. But it has not come back in a long time. So whatever caused it to be a necessary representation, something you needed to show yourself has gone away. That's, that's very typically what, what, um,

happens in the discussion of, of these, uh, recurring dreams. And especially if like someone says, I haven't, I used to have this dream all the time. Then I didn't have it for 10 years. And now I'm starting to have it again. I'm like, oh, I was look at that. What is what? What, old situation is back again that you need to say, hey, this is happening. Pay attention. Definitely that, that kind of intuitive pattern recognition thing happened in there. Uh-oh. So that, uh, that's one possibility.

Look, look deeper into that if you wanted to. Or is there more of a, um, even a brief narrative type of dream you've had recently that, uh, you know, I was here. I did this. Then that happened. Um, if not, you know, it is what it is. And we'll go with what we got. But, well, again, there's the cat one because that was most recent.

I don't think I, if I dreamed last night, I don't remember it. Well, I'm sure I dreamed. I just didn't remember it. Yeah, it was most recent. That was, yeah, that was tough. Yeah, well, and it was very tough. And again, I know that there's been a theme of my last relationship appearing in my dreams. And then I'll tell my partner, and I'm like, yeah, it wasn't you.

And it's not, it's not romantic or happy at all. It's usually, and it's not fighting. It's normally there's a problem or situation that's about me. But somehow he's in it, but my new guy's not in it. And that kind of, I'd like that to shift. Even if it was, too, there's a, you know, someone could feel horrible and guilty that they had a sex dream about an ex. And in my estimation, those dreams are not, it's not about wishing.

to go back and screw your ex-boyfriend. That's not really what it's about. It's more, it gets into the idea of sex is the most intimate thing you can do. You had a very intimate and physical relationship with someone in the past. And when you were with them and certainly when you got together and married them,

there were things you loved about them. And there are now things you would still miss about that person long since. And so you might have a wistful memory of saying, you know, I wish, I wish I didn't have to give up all these good things that we had together. All said and done, it needed to happen. I don't regret that.

I'm not trying to undo the past, but you can be, you know, a little, a bit melancholy, but not regretful exactly, but, you know, it's okay to miss the good things that you had with someone that you just couldn't get along with. And that, there's very often comparisons to, um, sometimes. And this is, you got to tease these things apart because I make suggestions if people go, eh, I don't think so. It's fine. I'm wrong.

I'm happy to be wrong. But sometimes there's, there's comparisons to current partners as well where you're like, you know, this person is better for me. 99.9%. But that 0.1% that other guy had it. And I wish he had it too.

Yeah. And it's okay to wish that. And it's not a condemnation of someone. You're not even asking them to change. You're just like, you know, let's say I used to enjoy hiking with that guy. Well, this guy's more into video games. That's fine.

You know, I don't, I don't need that. I don't need the hiking. We can do. We'll do something else. A horrible example, but. No, but it's a good point that there are personality differences. And while new guy has more of the things like in, in all like the important ways,

there are a few that he doesn't have that the other one did in important ways, but not, again, the percentage is less. Yeah. And the balance is not. It's not. there's no there's no even comparison necessarily because of what i experienced i'm not saying that my experience was the truth of who that person is um because that person is i'm sure different with his current relationship um and people bring different things right right right right so i

acknowledge my participation in that and vice versa but that is a good point because it has bothered me that it keeps happening and now i and that's a good point to make about the qualities that maybe my current partner doesn't have that I that I might miss or that I liked or that were appropriate or that are kind of missing. And not that it's missing, but that was heightened in there. Yeah. Well, there's something very exciting about a dramatic rocky relationship. If you fight a lot. There's a lot of intense emotion, even if it's negative sometimes. The, uh, the passion of the makeup sex is equal to the passion of the fight that preceded it. Uh, that kind of a thing. And it's like, that can be hard to give up. Some people never give it up. Some people live there.

entire lives craving that drama and not realizing it's holding the back from a lot of other things that might be more important to them if they if they could let it go so it could be that's that's a funny thing too it's it's one of those things where it's like I know this is better for me but that was more fun in a way that's not healthy it's almost like giving up an addiction and uh you know I think I've spoken to some folks who would have dreams about you know they were decades sober and they had a dream that they got drunk and it's like let's talk about that what's going on in your life that made it, you know, either you're, I think one person we were trying to tell the difference between, are you missing the excitement because you feel like your life

currently is boring and that was a lot more fun? Or are you actually experiencing some trauma that's making you want to crawl back into the bottle? And that's, those are the two main things that popped into my head. And he's like, yeah, it's definitely one of those. I'm kind of bored and I'm stressed out and yeah, that's why that dream would come to me. So that's, that's, that's, that's, some folks are like, what, what do you do? What do you talk about? Well, no, it's you. It's your life.

It's what you're experiencing. And then these, these crystallized forms come together and, and, and trying, try and, I think, it's a weird to say that dreams have intent. Like, they bring a message. I, it's, I use that language anyway, but it feels weird because I don't think it's an entity, exactly. Oh, I think it's an entity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a it's a way to work something out. Like I can also remember and I don't remember the situations,

but let's see, when the last time it happened? I will work something out emotionally in my mind in a dream and I will be crying in the dream so hard that I'm crying in my bed. And I don't know it until I wake up in my eyes are because I'm crying so hard in my dream and that I, you know, I think one time my partner rolled over and he was like, are you okay? Are you okay? I was actually crying, but I was dreaming.

Yeah. But it was happening in my life at the same time it was happening in my dream. I don't remember what it was about, but I was obviously working through something. And so I think it's our dreams are a space to process stuff that our intuition and our consciousness or our subconscious doesn't, you know, your subconscious is like why people have anxiety who can't, who can't stay asleep. They get to bed, but they can't stay asleep. It's because people with anxiety who repress their emotions all day can might be able to get

to sleep fine because their body is physically. tired, but the minute that their body is relaxed and now they can hear all of their internal thoughts that are in their head all day long and they wake up worried and nervous is because they've been repressing that all day. And now they can only hear it because they're not numbing themselves through watching too much television or constantly having noise on. Like all of you who have a television on all the time, even if you're not watching it or the radio I had a client once she would sleep with MPR on. I was like, oh my God, stop it. This is why you're so nervous. It is programming. It is hypnotizing you to all of the fear in the world. Then you wake up and you wonder

why you're so fearful about everything that's happening in the world because you literally read your programming. You're hypnotizing yourself through the media while you're sleeping. Yeah. I'd say the choice, the choice of entertainment is a big deal too. Now, I do pretty frequently, I'll put on podcasts or Um, there's this all comedy radio chance. Just stand up comedy clips. Uh, so hopefully what I'm, I'm, I'm absorbing in interesting things that are, uh, but I get that very busy mind thing too. Like if I have absolute silence or even if I just have the sound of a fan, noise

machines don't work. It's got to be the human voice. It's got to be music either. Music actually keeps me awake. It's got to be people talking about things. And then I turn off my inner focus and I put it on to, let's listen to what they're saying and that ends up having this kind of hypnotic thing. And then eventually I forget what part of the podcast I passed out during.

And I got to go back and what's the last thing I can remember that kind of thing? That's part of my sleep hygiene type of thing is helping get to sleep. And different people need different things. But yeah, if you're listening to the like I don't recommend say, you know, true crime podcasts while you're falling asleep. That'll probably be too. Or the news. Don't listen to the news.

Yeah. Again, let's talk about frequency. turn it off yeah when you focus on something else right well it's all again that's my realm of clearing someone's head but also looking at you know the brain waves and you're in theta when you're in going to sleep and theta is a hypnosis state so what do you want to program your subconscious to believe well whatever you're feeding it is exactly what's going to etch its way into your subconscious in your body which you don't want worry and fear so i mean you really don't no yep that was that's great you you brought up hypnosis is we were talking about just the general category of

altered, altered states of consciousness, and going through all these books, you know, for coming out of the late medieval period where dreams were, were mostly in these spiritual, supernatural message from God or the devil type of. I have a book about that. It's ABC Book 2, the mystery of dreams. Then we get into kind of the rational enlightenment side of things where they're trying to explain it. So all, you know, a couple, couple 300 years period, or the last last two or three hundred years. They were trying to tease out, you know, what is the difference between someone who is hypnotized

and someone who is sleepwalking? I mean, because we get these similar type of experiences. I think we still don't have a really good handle on the differences in a lot of these things. They did some fascinating. I love reading these books. I never heard these stories before. They did a surgery on a gal who was hypnotized

and she was conscious and talking through the whole thing and they asked her, Are you feeling any pain? She said, no, I'm fine. And, but then woke up from it and had no memory of the experience at all. So she was, she was somewhere else. At the same time, she was responsive. Bizarre.

So bizarre. But that's like people who are sleepwalking, they will have full on conversations with you, laugh and cry in their sleep. So actually, any kind of outward expression of behavior, other than snoring or rolling over, things like that is a form of somnambulism. And that stuff technically should not leak through. There should be, you know,

you shouldn't be, my wife sometimes she would giggle in her sleep. I don't know what she's doing. He's, you know, and she has no memory of what she's doing. Like if I woke her up at that moment, she'd be just like,

why'd you wake me up? Like, what are you doing? I don't know. But she was laughing at something. Well, the sleep walking thing, actually, you just jogged a memory of when I was growing up,

up my mom would put a, a piece of, well, my dad, put a piece of wood underneath the handle to the door that went down the stairs. And we kept it there for a very long time. And I remember when I first said, like, why is this here? And she said, because you almost, you slept, walked and almost fell down the stairs. Wow. I was like, I did. So like when I was, and that's not something that is, that has recurred, the walking, the actual. I don't think so. I don't think it's ever happen again. I mean, I don't know how often it happened. I'll ask my mother. I don't know how often it happened when I was younger, but it happened. I mean, once was enough for them to freak out to like, I'm sure, put the block of wood under the doorknob so that I couldn't open the door easily and it would give them,

because my dad's not a very fast mover. So, but I'm sure he moved very fast then. So he probably wanted to have like have something that would wake them if I was to get it open. So they would have time to come and grab me before I fell down the stairs. Right. For sure. No, and, A lot of people do have done dangerous things to others. There was one story in the books where a rather well-known at Sleepwalker left his house and he was armed with a pistol way back. Then he like up, like a breach load, not breach-load, a musket-style pistol way, way back in 200 years ago.

And he actually shot a police officer and he was brought to trial and he was acquitted, you know, not guilty by reason of insanity. That's the way we would phrase it today. but acquitted because he was able to produce a bunch of witnesses, this guy walks around to sleep all the time and does all kinds of crazy shit. And he was, he did not murder this guy on purpose. This is not a crime the way you think it is.

And I think the police officer lived and, and, you know, it wasn't actually a murder, but, of course, you can't just go around shooting cops. But other people have done amazing things that they would never have the, they'd never trained for.

They'd never, they would never have the confidence to do it in life. People doing cartwheels on the, on the peak of a roof of, of a house two stories way off the ground and like that's where they get into the recommendation that you know if a sleepwalkers doing something dangerous you unless you have to physically intervene it's probably better not to wake them up in some ways like if they're yeah if they're sleepwalking they're loading a gun maybe take it away from them but uh if they're in the middle of say doing cartwheels

on the peak of a roof don't shout at them hey stop if you wake them up in the middle of a cartwheel they're probably going to fall, whereas otherwise they would be okay. This is, I'm not a lawyer or a doctor. There's not legal advice or medical advice, but these are the stories that, you know, they've woken people up in the middle of dangerous sleepwalking things. And it's a shock and they're like, what am I doing up here? And they're down, you know, down to the ground. So anyway, I'm getting all into theory and history.

Well, but I think, yeah. Well, I think it's, I mean, you jog that memory and I'm like, oh, my God, I did sleepwalk. I don't think I've ever done it again. I mean, it definitely not as an adult and not since I can remember. No one has ever told me that. There's many babies. I got, I had five. I now have four.

But I'm surprised. Any of my other ones haven't crawled up here on the desk. They're usually all up in my shit while I'm trying to try to record. Well, Domino always has to be involved. Oh, yeah. I call it value added content. Yes, although she's sitting on my lap now. She's like, whatever.

I'm just going to be here. And I didn't kick anybody out because ever since that incident on Monday, I have kept them all inside. Normally, they would be allowed outside right now unsupervised. Well, not anymore for right now. We are too gun-shy. I went to some pretty extreme lengths to keep cats in our backyard. I got metal pipes, and I bent them over, and I used a green garden netting that would keep rabbits out of your carrot patch. And I made little zoo enclosure overhangs in my back.

It was all, oh, God, that was so much work. And it kept most of them in. But I don't it's not about them leaving well the other one she decided to leave but everybody else would stay in it's really keeping the coyotes out and not that there have been a ton of them in in the yard but there has been one couple years ago at nine o'clock in the morning and then I think maybe one other time that same year but there hasn't been we have not seen any in our yard but they're on that like Bella lost her life in the front yard because she was out on the street and they were coming down the street and we have an alley right next to us so sure um Yeah, like this one on my lap, she has no need to leave. She has no interest in leaving. She is a human in a cat body. She just wants to be with people. See, I think I'm a cat in a human body.

Yeah, me too. Me too. I always think that. Although I might have been a bird too. I really want to fly. God, I don't want to fly so bad. It was Superman style. No, I've had the same experience with coyotes here in Portland.

They've been on my street and they got one of the neighbor's cats. And, you know, a couple of times I've gone out there with a big stick and chased them off. and but still you know they live just a couple miles away up on this uh uh mountain top nearby and you hear them howled and yapp it in the middle of the night i'll come home from dancing and i actually bought a gun but it wasn't a it's a bibby gun i know it looks like a real gun so never come to my house because i will pull the BB gun on you and it's a it's a glok so it looks like a real thing right but i have you'll put your eye out kid but i and i learned to shoot it and i'm like and there was one night i came home from dancing and i heard the coyotes and the it sounds

like they were kind of close in the neighborhood and I took the gun and I went driving around to find them because I was going to try to deter them. And this was before she was outside. This is just because there were other cats in this neighborhood that seemed to live outside just fine. I don't understand how she couldn't survive. These other boys have been doing it for years. And I, I mean, I'm glad every time I see them like, thank you for, I'm glad you're alive. Welcome in. Have some food. You know, but they're uncontainable. Like they're these boys that won't, they will not. They'll come inside for a couple of hours in the nighttime, but they cannot contain them. And I was worried, but, you know, what can you do?

So I just am surprised that she didn't make it when, again, these other cats seem to survive the same thing. So, yeah, I mean, if you want to go down that, I mean, I don't know what other, I'm okay. I don't know what you would, I would be okay if you want to talk about that dream if you feel that it's necessary. Otherwise, I mean, I think, and I don't know, you know, I know that your format is to kind of analyze dreams and that's the thing. That's the gig, right? but I also think there's value in just talking about it from sort of the 20 foot viewpoint of, and I'm sure you have, of like why and the different kinds of dreams and,

you know, like this idea. Yeah, we did analyze a couple just a little bit. I'll be in broad strokes. We showed the audience that, you know, here's kind of how it works.

I mean, you start looking at this stuff and you relate it to your life. You relate it to your personality and your perspective and you get answers. So one thing, I don't think I want to do the cat dream. I don't think that's good for. you. Even if it would be good content, I think it's not time, maybe. It's too much of a fresh wound. And that's the other thing I have to be very careful with here too is this is people trusting

me to be delicate with their soul in a way to not exploit them. And for me to have you on the spot and put pressure on you, let's do the dream. Tell me. And then you break down in tears. And then what? After we're done talking, it was a horrible. experience and you're not better off. Okay. And I'm not leaning into it. I kind of agree. I just sort of offered it up as a,

because it's the freshest with a little bit more detail. But here's what I'll say about. So there you go. Yeah. Okay. No worries. But here's what I'll say though about that in general. Yeah.

And this is more of my wheelhouse for people. So I, when it happened, and I'm just going to talk about the incident for a second. So when it happened, I was, I'm fortunate enough that I worked for myself so I could manage my own schedule. We didn't really have anything on Monday. We had acupuncture, but I canceled it. And my partner, I just grieved all day. And, like, that's all we did. There was no television. There was no nothing. A little bit email here or there, just checking sort of normal things, but generally just crying the entire day. And then he said, it is not a good time to leave because he had a trip planned to go back to see his mom on the East Coast. And he left on Tuesday.

And I said, you know what, it's fine. I'm glad we had today together. It would have been worse. had you not been here or had I been booked to go with you, I need a little bit more time. And so Tuesday, I canceled everything. Wednesday I pretty much canceled everything. And I've just sort of leaned in. And sometimes I think that the dreams are there to help us process our emotions when we're unwilling to do that. And not that that dream needed to come help me process anything because trust me, I am processing.

And I have not, well, it's not about too much. It's like emotions need space. You can't process how you. you feel without the space to figure it out and allow it. A, allow it. So be angry, cry, scream. I mean, I've wailed. I can cry. I did a very good job crying, ugly cries out loud, no hold bar when he was here. But I noticed when he left, I cried a lot harder, a lot more often, like, and a lot louder. And like, I gave myself permission just to go with that, right? And I leaned in. And my, all my, you know, belief systems, training, spiritual perspective, whatever,

like, you know, and I got my downloads and I got my hits. And I, I, I, I don't And I even have her, like, I think of her and she pops into my head. And she's just smiling at me. She was a devil cat in ways. Like she was not easy to, she was a lot to manage with all of the other things that all the other cats. But, you know, but I tried. And I, of course, did not want her to die. But, and I hope that in time she would soften.

She would ease up. She would, you know, she'd want to come back in more permanently. We could like lose this whole separation thing. But nonetheless, what came to me in a. So I think that dreams give us down. downloads sometimes, not all the time, but I think dreams are opportunities for spiritual downloads from our subconscious or our higher being or from source, God, universe, whatever, okay?

Not as a message, but as a, an idea, something that you can, something that will help you process something. But I also think we can get into that state, like you were saying, you have to listen to words in order for your brain to stop spinning because you're, you're focused on the words. Yeah. Right. Well, when I exercise, when I walk, when I hike, when I'm outdoors. And definitely if I'm by myself and I have like music in, that's the best time.

Because if I have music in my ears, although I didn't have it on yesterday when I took my walk. But I took a walk yesterday and I didn't want music because I knew the music would wreck me. Like if I hear a sad song, it will wreck me. But I started walking up the hill and the thought came to me. She has her own inner being. She has her own her guidance. We all have our own inner guidance. And we have this illusion that we can control everybody else's inner guidance when it pleases

us because it threatens our fears and safety and whatnot. And I just had to be reminded of that in a very simplistic form. Yes, I know that we tried. We did so many things, exhausted the, you know, trying to keep her in safe and with everybody and everybody happy, wasn't happening. And this was a last ditch effort after over a year and a half. And so we did it. And it didn't really work out the way I would have liked it to work out. But that doesn't mean her soul's journey wasn't that that wasn't exactly what she needed to do. So who am I to to interpret for her what was best for her or if this was right or wrong? It just is what it is. And if we can, I think so, I think that we, we can use our dreams along with our waking state intuition and downloads and hits and

thoughts and impulses that happen is ways to process. I mean, that's why I think dreams are so important in the work that you're doing and enlightening people and educating people to pay attention to their dreams because there's whether there'd be healing and messages or ideas, ways to process, ways to unburden emotions that you might not want to deal with that your dreams will allow you to do. I think they're their connection to our heart. I do work with plant medicine. And I had one of my clients who's been with me for a while, but she did a journey with me a couple months ago. And she's a Gemini. And she's really good at meditation because all air signs, they're really good at disconnecting. Meditation isn't always the best idea for people because people can repress

big time in meditation because they can disconnect from the body. But she said, I want to feel more. So she did this journey. And then all of a sudden, she's like, I am, everyone that's been doing the plant medicine that I've helped, whether it's been microdosing or a journey, has like elevated their dreams. Like, I am dreaming so much now because it's open parts of their brain that they weren't paying attention to. So I think that by acknowledging it and like in like what the work you're doing in the world and bring it to people, even if you don't forget the plan medicine, I mean, that's helpful. But if you don't want to do any of that, just the idea of paying attention to it will help it come more online and then more accessible to you if you just start to try to remember, try to write down,

pay attention, talk about it. And then you'll be more, you'll like create those neural pathways to continue to expand that ability. For sure. Yeah. Well, I think that might be a good final word on the subject. I mean, we had a great conversation, and we did a little bit of dream analysis along the way. And sometimes, you know, folks come to me and they have nothing. They thought I meant hopes and aspirations types of dreams. Tell me about your vision for the future. I'm like, no, actual, what I say, nocturnal visions.

And they're like, I don't have nocturnal emissions. I don't know. No, no, visions. Visions. Let's get our nomenclature straightened out. But yeah, I think, you know, there's no need to drag it out if we had a good conversation. And I think he's, he probably wants to go outside. So, yeah, if you feel like we had a good talk and you're happy with it, we'll wrap it up.

Yeah, you know, I mean, it was fun for me. So hopefully there was some value in it for other people. Absolutely. I think there was. Yeah, like I'm saying, I don't think we need to drag it. We could probably keep talking for a long time. but I think we did the thing. Made a good episode out of it.

I'm satisfied. And no worries about that. I think this is a good lesson too. It's like, okay, I will say just a couple final things. You know, this is a good example of what you were talking about reminded me of the idea of a lot of times we want to control others for our own sake. And it's not malicious. Now, there's plenty of malicious people. But the idea of if I just say the right magic words, I can make someone do what I want them to do.

or have a situation turn out the way I would prefer. And there's a great value in letting go of that kind of thing of like, I'm just going to do what I do. And some people are going to like it. Some people are not. I'm not trying to hurt anybody. I'm not being careless. But I'm also disconnected from the outcome in terms of like now the decision is yours.

You do what you want with that information. And also the idea of me coming into the saying, okay, I want to make a show. We did. We did the show. This is a thing. We had a conversation. And we talked about dreams and we did a little bit of analysis. And so what it's not exactly the same as every other show.

Maybe this one needed to be different. Maybe there was something else of value to be found in here. So I even let go of control of the conversations as much as I possibly can't. I'm always racking my brain to have something to say. So I'm not like dead air putting it all on the guess. But in a lot of ways, that's how I approach the dream interpretation things. I don't have a goal. I don't have a destination.

I don't have an explanation. I don't have anywhere I'm trying to go. We're just looking at it for what it is. And you get out of it, what you get. out of it and I give you as much as I can. And I think every single interpretation I've ever done, I failed. I forgot. I didn't think of something I should have, or, or that might have been useful.

I didn't look at something from the right angle. I couldn't quite put together a narrative. But it came out okay. It's like not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Did some good there. It's never going to be perfect. I'm always going to forget something. I'm always going to miss something.

but I think it's still worthwhile, as you were saying, you know. Well, the only way you're going to know is, well, I look at it as a podcaster. If I'm having a good conversation, people will be interested because I'm interested, because it's that frequency of, because if they're not watching this on video and they're just listening, the frequency of the connection, the frequency of the excitement, the interest, the attention to it, or whatever we're talking about, you know, because they're a billion people that, you know, they get there, they check their boxes with their podcast.

with their podcast and they ask the same question over and over again. But they're not connected. They don't care and they don't like follow up with any other questions. It doesn't get any deeper. And that's boring for people. I hate that kind of structure where someone's just asking questions that they ask everybody else. That's happened to me. Like people will ask me a question and then they'll answer it and then they'll move on to the next

question. I'm like, we're not going to talk about that. And I don't want to listen to that kind of stuff. I want to listen to something that you're interested, that I'm interested, that there's a little passion behind. There's a little, you know, that we're curious. There's energy there. And so, you know, the only way to really know,

A, like I tell podcasters, you know, like, do the show you want to do. And, you know, and then if people, the right people will listen to it. And but if you, since you have an audience, you can just ask them. Did you find value in this episode? It was different than my other episodes. I'd love to know that. Because it helps to know, A, that they're like, well, not really because we really love your, you know, your analysis.

And then you'll know that. And they'd be like, yeah, it was kind of different and new and exciting. And because it wasn't whatever. But, you know, I think you just ask. So if anybody's listening to this and you have an opinion and you're a fan. So why don't you reach out and reach out and say something. Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I'm, I'm very, very, I love just kind of letting things be what they are. I give it my best. And, and, okay, that happened. And we'll do another one. We'll just keep going. Anyway, I don't consider this failure. I don't think we did anything wrong. I'm just saying different is not bad. It's an interesting, interesting approach to things to just let it be, let it be what it is and see what happens. I can't imagine having a conversation. Well, it's not, I had, okay, I, I had one guest once. Not naming any names in the episode.

Never aired because there were technical difficulties and this person was a little impatient. But it felt like talking to bullet points. Like I wasn't having a conversation with a person. And I, it was probably for the best that the technical difficulties shut it down. Strange synchronicities like that happened to me too. Like this wasn't a good person to talk to anyway.

Stop wasting your time. In fact, we're going to pull the rip cord. Technical difficulties. Get out of it. here. It worked. That's that's fine. So it's the reversal of fortune thing. We never really know if something was for the best until you to see what happens. I've interviewed two very famous, very famous, very famous podcasters. And I didn't air either one of them. One guy, I was, it might, it was my ego that wanted the episode because I had this thought that if I interviewed

him, we'd build a relationship and then he'd like me and then he wouldn't have me on his show. And that was not the case. We couldn't be. more opposite. And I should, again, intuition, I would listen to a show and cringe. And I thought to myself, why did I bring on this guy when I literally can't even listen to his episode because I disagree with everything comes out of his mouth? But my ego said, oh, but this would be good marketing. This would be good if you get him on your show. Yep. Yep. And then I'm like, I can't do it. My integrity was like, you are not airing the show. And then another guy who I would have aired it, but his, anyway, I just didn't. And I didn't because it didn't feel fair to me. It didn't

feel right to me. The competition was fine, but it was all kind of one-sided. It wasn't, like we weren't really, I was a minion, and I'm sorry, you're coming on my show.

You don't get that. So I've worked, I'm a podcaster as of this coming Saturday, 10 years, you're not going to come on and treat me like I'm a fly and you're as a king. Sorry,

because this is my audience and they're here for me. And I get to decide whether I publish your show or not. So, you know, but he was fine, but I wasn't interested in not having a,

a collaboration of course of sorts if you will so yeah you get you're the ultimate and you listen to your intuition and you do the thing but if anyone you know enjoy this different format um i love i would love for you to tell benjamin that and if you didn't love it i'd love to know that too honestly i'd be happy to have you back if you know a dream comes to you and like hey dad we'll do the thing uh next time all right i'll write them down you know what happens is i i have the And then I go process it like the day. Right. So it's almost like,

I already figured it out. It's like, I'm kind of superfluous. That's fantastic. I would want to, there was a, excuse me, got excited and swallowed my own and bit.

There's a movie. I don't if you ever heard of it. I don't know if you're a fan of Kung Fu films called Shaolin soccer. Nope. Okay. No worries. It's a movie about. Soccer and martial arts.

incorporating kind of kind of this parody fusion of well what if people were highly skilled martial artists playing soccer and bringing their skills and doing you know like there's a trope in films of like i will now show you my five-figure death punch you know all going all the way back to the 70s uh well they bust out special moves on the soccer field and it's martial arts and tricks with the ball and making making it curve and doing backflips and all kind of long story short on that one it's a fun film But at the very end, they show the results of this team coming together and challenging and rising to the top and becoming an inspiration. Well, what happened was they inspired everyone in the world to take up martial arts. They're like, wow, I want to be like those guys.

And at the very end of the movie, you see a woman get out of a car instead of parallel parking. She just knocks it into the parking spot. You see people running to catch a double-deck. or bus and they're leaping and climbing up to jump into like they've like the entire world has lifted itself up to this higher level of ability because of this inspiration I had a point to all of that but I guess that's I hope what I'm doing like I see my that's self-aggrandizing well the last I think the last thing I said was that the last thing I said that made you think of that was that analyze your own dreams right and then usually like I process them right away I talk

about them. I share them to process them. And so, but what will be fun is if I have one that I process and I can't figure out and then I'll write it down. That's where it's someone like me comes in handy. But I guess the overall point of that was what I would want to do through my work is to have people inspired to raise their own ability to do this for themselves. Like, I can't talk to everybody, assuming everybody wanted to talk to me. It wouldn't be possible, but I can show you how to do it and you can take what you learn and apply it to yourself and

given, you know, I've always had a little bit, this goes back to I tried to wrap it up like 20 minutes ago. Both of us have so many things to say. That's fine. I'm not complaining. Something that I was going to say way back into the very beginning is like you were saying you can

you can develop intuition. Like we're all born with it and some of us are born with more of it, more of an access to it naturally, we intuitively use our intuition in ways we don't understand. But it can also be trained. I mean, the more focus in it. So I think I've always had a bit of a talent for the dream thing. But if I didn't do this, what I'm doing, I wouldn't have developed it to where.

And I'm definitely better now than I was five years ago. That's so that's I think everybody can do that. That's long story short. That's my. And then I found $10. Well, I will let you close the show and I will shut up. No, no, no. That's fine.

And then we'll hang out two seconds afterward and just decompress. I always do that with folks, too. So it's a whole process to this. And I invite you to join because I'd love to talk to you. You don't have to be anybody special. Well, you're all special to me. You can just be a regular person who does not have a podcast. It's not an author.

We never talked about any of your books or your podcasts. We'll have you back. We'll do that next time. We'll get a little more specific into that stuff. If anyone's interested, I have a podcast. So if you listen to a podcast and you're looking for the podcast, I guess my flagship show. I have a network.

What's the name of it? Spirit, purpose, and energy. Okay. Spirit, purpose, and energy. Well, that is the podcast of J.J. Fulzains. Did I get that right? Yes. Oh, my God.

I just, I can't. I can't. My confidence is shot with that. It's such a unique last name. She's an author and podcast who works with conscious, spiritual truth seekers who want to remove emotional blocks to success in health, business, and life by helping to identify patterns of self-sabotage and to transmute, struggle, and to joy. and I think this conversation has been a demonstration of why she's good at what she does.

So strong recommend. You can find her at JJ Fulzanes.com. That will be in the link in the description below, of course. For my part, would you kindly like, share, subscribe, tell your friends, always need more volunteer dreamers, viewers for the video game streams, Monday through Friday, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Pacific. this episode brought to you in part by ABC book six studies in dreams which I think relates very much to this episode this this woman um um mrs Mary Arnold Forster did dream programming she would she would program her dreams and then have dreams about what she was talking about so fascinating self study in dreams and and then one of the first that I'm aware of documentations of what it was like to have lucid dreams

and how she interacted with those experiences. Long story short, all this and more at Benjamin the Dreamwizard.com, including downloadable MP3 versions of this very podcast. And if you'd head on over to Benjamin thedreamwizard.locals.com attached to my Rumble account, building a community there. That is enough out of me. And JJ, thank you for being here. It has been a fun and fascinating conversation.

Thank you so much, Benjamin. I appreciate the opportunity to have the conversation with you. Absolutely. And everybody out there, thank you for listening. We'll see you next time. Thank you.