Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 182: Canadian Conservative

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

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Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we have guest Dreamer Russell, the host of Canadian Conservative podcast. You can find him at the Canadianconservative.com, also on Apple and Spotify and other podcasting platforms. We're going to get right back to him in two seconds for my part. Would you kindly like, share and subscribe? Always need more viewers and volunteer dreamers. Like, honestly, you notice I don't release episodes every single week because I don't talk

to enough people sometimes. but I also play video games 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Pacific most days of the week. Always starting a new game or continuing a game on Mondays. But so you can watch that on a bunch of different. I'm putting a graphic up on the screen. So what else was I going to say? Oh boy. I always, it's been a couple of weeks since I've done an introduction.

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join the community and say, hey, I got a dream. Let's make an episode. That is enough out of me. Back to Russell, thank you for being here. I appreciate your time. Well, thanks, Ben. I know we've talked about this in the past. You taught, you said, hey, do you got a dream?

Come on the show. Let's do this. And I was like, well, let me, let me see if I can cook anything up. And well, looks like my mind cooks something up. So reached out and ready to rumble here. It is legitimately that easy. If you have a dream, we can talk. That's it.

And to be clear, for the, now, anyone watching should already understand this. But sometimes I connect with people, say, through a service called, podmatch and they're like, sure, I have a dream. I want to build the world's best water filtration system. And I'm like, not the dream I'm talking about. That's hopes, aspirations, plans for the future. That's great. I hope you build the world's greatest water filtration system. If you have an experience in the night, a nocturnal vision, which gives you the answer to that filter problem you were working on, that I want to, I want to know about. Let's talk about that. So it can be both at the same time, but it actually has to be dreams experience during sleep.

But I message a lot of people and then life happens. What was it? Like a month or two elapsed between me reaching out and you saying, oh, hey, I got a dream. And dreams come in their own time. I can't rush it. You can't make dreams happen. Caviat to that, there's dream programming. It's a thing.

But still, like, I can't do it. I'm talking too much. But I can't program dreams because I don't remember my dreams, honestly. That's part of my fascination, I think, is I wake up in the morning and I rarely ever have the experience that I had any visions in the night. It's very rare that I even, and even more rare that I remember any details about it. So no one should feel bad.

Dreams happen in their own time and it takes a while to connect and I'm okay with that. I mean, we're both busy too. You've got your own, you've got your own podcast thing going. I wish you probably talk about that. I don't know if you want to say how you got into it or what, what motivated your desire to start speaking on different subjects or, um,

I'll leave a wide open for you. Sure. So, you know, for most of my life, I was pretty quiet for most of my life. And I'm really, everyone's got opinions on things. And certainly people have opinions on politics and culture and just how they view the world, right? Through their eyes, through their frame, through their experiences. And people would say to me, you know, you speak well and, you speak well. Like I, you know, I can be pretty introverted, I guess, at first, once I get to know someone,

sometimes maybe I talk a little bit too much. And people would tell me, you know, you should, you should look at, you know, running for politics or things like that. And I do some work in the volunteer sector. I've been sat on committees and boards before. Believe me, it's boring. But, you know, it's needed in a healthy society. You need volunteers.

You need people willing to sit on those different. boards and engage with the public in a productive way that's not just through a governmental lens because usually that ends in failure. And so around 2019, my mom got really sick and she ended up in the hospital and I watched her die in the hospital. There's a whole story attached that I won't get too deep into it. It's always rough, yeah. But I was literally there, and I watched her take her last breath, and it kind of hits you, right?

They say, a man is two lives. They have the live they live, and then they have the life they live after they realize they only got so much life to live. Yeah. And so I just watched her die, and I realized that's going to be me one day. Maybe it won't be in a hospital bed surrounded by loved ones and that. Maybe it'll be hit by a bus or who knows, right? It could happen right now. Who knows when it's time to finally leave this plane of existence.

And then I thought, you know, to myself, and I, of course, I'd read philosophy before and that. And so, you know, Jordan Peterson and all the other alt-right people and that, you know, talking about if you have something to say, you should stand up and just say it, be true to yourself. I kind of put me into a bit of a spiral and I had to ask myself, you know, am I really being true to myself? Am I really talking about my values or discussing with people? I love talking with people, especially disagreeable people because usually we can find common ground and then suss out the areas where we don't agree and kind of debate it a bit. And I like to do that in real life. and so I thought, you know, like why not, why not talk to different people?

Why not, you know, podcasting? It's just before the pandemic where every celebrity and their trans kid decided to start a podcast. Well, that's when mine popped up about four or five years ago. Yeah, I'm like, well, it's time to see if I can do this thing. Yeah. But for you, so you've got two things going for you.

One, you just enjoy talking to people. But also, I don't know, maybe this is. just in my own head, but it occurred, the thought occurred to me that you're also a conservative in Canada, which is like, I imagine, like, in the broader media landscape, you're not getting, you're not getting the feedback that your thoughts are being thought by others, that your, your, your perspective is being given a full voice in the way it should be. So you decided to step up and kind of say, well, look, I have a different opinion on some of these things, and someone needs to hear it. So they know they're not alone, like I, you know, like me.

Yeah, and it just, and it was something, it was a hobby. It was something to kind of distract me as well. And, and yeah, it was, you know, if you, if you are not a leftist or, or center left liberal in Canada, your views are automatically far right. It's crazy the way that Overton window thing works of like, you know, I got a USB just a little outside of what most people. seem to think, whether that's true or not. That's an open question. But, and then all of a sudden, you're too far to the right because there's, there's even a left and right within the window.

And then anything further left is two left and anything further. But then, but that window in my opinion, I think you probably share it is it's shifted way over to the left. It's like beyond the middle into the left left, and then even going to the middle is far right for, for a lot of people. And I'm like, that's not, that's not remotely true. But go ahead. Well, I mean, I, I grew up in Canada.

I got a Canadian education. So, of course, for a majority of my life, I was far more left-leaning. I thought, you know, we can fix all these issues. If only, you know, there was more government intervention. If only there was more, if only people just cared a little bit more, why don't you care? Why don't you care, right? If people were just a little bit more understanding and tolerant and that. So I followed for the majority of my life a lot of those pretty left-leaning views,

but I know, I knew deep down that I didn't think it was going to work. I think I just knew deep down that things just weren't adding up in it. And no matter how much, you know, we put towards these things, it just never seemed to pan out the way it should. And as I got older, I got more cynical like many people do. And then, you know, I'd say probably around 2016, 2017, after we elected, I didn't vote for him, but we elected Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in 2015. He announced we're a post-national state.

We have no core identity, which means that basically our traditions, our values, our symbols have no meaning. And which makes us pretty much like an economic zone, mass immigration. It's like if you're not a nation or a people anymore, then you're just, yeah, an economic zone. which is like, well, what are we? What's our core ethos? What do we believe? Is it anything goes? Or? But it's also, it's also a result of our education system. I'm like I said, I grew up in the Canadian education system. And I mean, when I went to school in the 90s, it was still relatively sane. I mean, like I went to a Catholic grade school, for example. And what I do in a Catholic grade school, um, besides the schooling itself?

is I was on the track and field team. And then at lunchtime, I was part of the rosary clubs and prayed the rosary at lunchtime, stuff like that. So those are cultural activities that are more, again, there's the sports aspect. I played lacrosse for a while as well. And then there was the religious component. Now, when I went to high school and to a public high school, not a Catholic one, and while I was there, I did track and field again for a while. I was, I think I was on the badminton team for a bit.

I did, I was in the drama club for a bit. And of course, there was no religious component to it. Now, this is important because now I hear about these high schools now, and they're like, well, we have the, we have the Gay Straight Alliance Club, We have the Muslim students club. We have this club for Sikhs. And I'm like, but that's all identity-based. What about the chess club?

What about the drama club? Like, we can't say we're a secular society and then just start pandering to specific cultures that have high rates where religion and culture are intertwined like this. Absolutely. Because then they're. say, well, it's not religious, it's cultural. So high school in Ontario recently, they had try on a

hijab day. And it was, and it's a public high school, it's secular high school, not a private one. I mean, if it's a private Islamic high school and they want to have where your hijab or will kill you day, that's up to them. You know. Wow. What just popped into my head is telling girls, hey, why don't you come try on a hijab would be like telling black kids, hey, come on try on these chains. You know, just why not consider the idea that maybe you were better off as a slave and you should put them back on again and that that's better for our culture. I think of those things as virtually synonymous in my mind. Like, how absurd is that? Well, I ragged on it on Twitter and I went on Twitter and I was like, this is like just garbage.

And that you're secular, you know, there's a separation of religion and state and religion in Canada. And listen, I'm a Catholic. and I would say if you're Catholic and you want your Catholic beliefs, you should go to a Catholic school. Now we have Catholic school board. I have my own thoughts on if that should be private or public or not. But at the end of the day, if it was private, if the Catholic system was privatized and I was Catholic,

I would hope that I would go to a Catholic system where I would get the education and the religiosity that goes with it. now. But I just, let me just round this peg here. Sure, sure. So we have a secular school that has Trina Hajab Day,

and then they are also doing a Quran reading as well. Here's the issue with that. Separation of church and state is actually is supposed to protect the religion from the state, but it also goes the other way. It's supposed to go the other way. And so I ragged on it, and then this teacher got on there and said,

well, you're just being a racist big. And I said, like, can I swear on the show? Oh, please. Go ahead.

Yeah. I said, like, fuck off with this bullshit. This racist bullshit. The problem is there is, there, the religion and the culture are like this. So yes,

it is proselytizing. It is recruiting for Islam. It is not a value neutral thing to invite students to go and try in a hijab. And, do a reading from the Quran. That is not values neutral. And then they're like, well, this is the way it's always been. I'm like fuck, I went to

high school in Ontario. I went to high school in Ontario. I know it was never like this. We never had these clubs. We had things that brought students together like sports and drama and chess and there was a reading club and I mean, if there was a whole MEC club

if you wanted to learn how to bake brownies or whatever. Like there was all these different clubs that you could join. And And then within the school itself, there was, you know, there's the, there's the, there's the goth kids, there's the sporty groups and that. So, like, yeah, so if you wanted to be part of a subculture, you could go throw on a cradle of filth shirt and some heavy, heavy ass jeans, like bell bottoms, jeans and go throw a hockey sack around, smoke pot at lunch.

Like, there was a spike your hair, put on some eye shadow, whatever. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Sure. If you wanted to be part of that club, if you wanted to be part of, like, Like, you know, like, that's how things were delineated. It wasn't delineated by culture or race. And to say that that's the norm is absolutely absurd.

It is, it is insane. And that is what we've done. We now are, it's our schools because, and I'm sorry, I'm going on a bit of a tangent here. It's all right. But I promise I'm going to land the plane very quick here. What, in my opinion, happened is the story. school system was invented to break the farmer originally, all right? It was to take farming student or farming children and bring them into the cities. All right. And because farmers don't

follow routines and stuff like that, they follow them based on seasons largely and based off of, listen to this, high family involvement and tradition. Instead, they got brought into the, into the cities, where a foreman, sorry, a teacher, sat them down and they had to sit there and listen to specific topics. And if you didn't follow the instructions, you were penalized. Oh, sorry, you got detention. And then you got a 50-minute break, sorry, recess. Then you got your lunch break. And it brought people in for industrialization. But here's the problem. That worked for 100 years. It broke the farmers. All right now, now we have no one that wants to take on farming because it's too difficult. They want to go to the city. It's easier living. More access

to amenities. More access to potential mates. And then you go to your factory job. You work nine to five. You go home. You live whatever life you want to live until it's time to go back to work the next day. We have made that our model. The problem has become we outsource the factories. We told factory workers that they're knuckle-draggers and they're racist and all that. So we had to put them through a bunch of DEI training, all that sort of thing. But the problem is the school system has remained the same. The job system has changed. One of the problems now is that, okay, so they changed it now so that students are now part of a system

that teaches them to be HR-compliant office workers instead. So we teach them all the gender stuff. We teach them all the racism stuff. Why? Because HR loves that stuff. And you want to be an HR-compliant office worker, right? You got to go do your 9-to-5, type in your notes, do your paperwork, a little chitter-chatter around the water cooler, maybe your favorite sports team, maybe the weather, nothing political, nothing religious, nothing cultural, right? Because, well, that's not good, right? We don't want people talking about those things. We want HR-compliant at all times because we're a family here. We're a family, and your workplace is your family.

Because any workplace tells you that their family run the other way. Because guess what? Then they get to instill their family's values onto you. Oh, yeah. Well, I think it's all tied in together. Just before I forget what I was going to say. Sorry. No, well, there's a couple of things that I was furiously scribbling notes,

but working backwards as I have to. I think there's, I see the idea, the assertion that this group or this country or this region, whatever, has no. culture I see that assertion itself as subversive because really what it's saying is pretend that the way things are is not right so that we can smuggle in a change in the culture. Like there will always be a culture. To say there is no culture is just a pure lie. It may be a culture you don't like.

It may be one you think should change. And certainly people coming in saying, oh, you have no culture. That's because they want to replace it with their own. Like you have no culture. So we have to give you one. adopt ours. And then that connects back to the idea of the separation of church and states. It's like what we've been told, what irks me more than anything is the double standards.

It's like, well, only Christians are not allowed to express and enforce their moral code of ethics through law. Everybody else can't. It's fine. If everyone else does it, except Christians you are excluded specifically. You are not allowed to have a voice. You are not allowed to vote your conscience. from a Christian standpoint or to create laws that uphold Christian moral values. Everyone else is fine.

Everyone else can do whatever they want, except you. You're specifically excluded. And I think those things go hand in hand is this subversive thing to say, you know, you're not allowed to have the culture you want. You have to live under someone else's culture because you're bad, evil. Your beliefs are wrong. You should feel bad about it.

Those are my thoughts as you were talking. So go ahead. I agree to a point. I'm just going to finish off the other thought on this. The problem is now is that even the office jobs are out of reach for people. So now the schools are teaching kids to be little revolutionaries. That's what their job is now. I think they've been doing that for a long time.

Well, yeah, the long march to the institutions and that, the teachers that read Hagel and Foucault and they're like, and they think that it's their job to create the next Maoist rear guard here. Absolutely. But I think it's even more insidious than that. They don't know what to do with these students anymore because the quality of teaching is absolute dog shit now. Everything sucks.

Parents, again, spend more time at work where they're part of a work family and they come home and they're tired, so they don't have time to have a good traditional family in their home. So the school is taking local parentis to the absolute level. We're the parents now. You don't know how to parent. We do. And guess what?

Your kid is going to be as radically left as we can make them before they leave the school system. Under the guise of we're teaching culture. Don't you want your kids to learn about other cultures? I'm going to be honest. I don't have children. I don't really care. If I want my kids to be exposed to other cultures, this goes into the homeschooling kind of argument, I can bring them to, if I wanted my kids learn about Islam,

I don't need the school to teach them about Islam. I can bring them to a temple and I can say, hey, do a presentation with my kid on Islam. And I'm sure the temple would love it. They would throw some Qurans at me and they'd say, hey, make sure you read these Qurans and they love that stuff. Same if I was a Hindu and I wanted my kids learn about Christianity. I can guarantee you if I called up the local diocese and I said,

hey, you know, we're kind of interested in learning a little bit more about Catholicism. Well, bring him to a Latin Mass on Christmas Eve or something and be like, 100% here is what they do. This is what it looks like when they celebrate. Also, one thing I forgot to mention with the whole double standard thing is so there's the, you know, hug a gay person day or we're going to have Pride Parade Day. And there's Try on a Hijab Day. Where is the school sanction endorsed, celebrated, pray the rosary day?

Just take this rosary. in your hand and repeat these words and and see how it feels no no one's compelled to do it but it's not even allowed that is considered that's too far that's beyond the pill that's outside the window that is not allowed it's not something you're allowed you're not allowed to introduce that culture at this school anything else goes and it's a lot of this is i i think it's it's a broader you know let's see i'm a libertarian and i'm an kind of agnostic atheist deist type i think there is a creator that made the universe and we know what that is by observing nature and natural laws and whatnot. So all that stuff.

I'm not explicitly a Christian, but it seems like Christianity and Western Christianity and the foundations of Western civilization are being intentionally undermined by attacking Christianity trying to make it, you know, persona non grata in public, in any public space. This is the one group that has to be suppressed by any means necessary. and any attempt to speak from the heart from a Christian perspective is demonized as necessarily theocratic. It's like I don't want a theocracy. I don't want mandatory church attendance.

I don't think 99% of Christians do. That's not how that works. But that's the accusation that gets immediately lumped on top of it. If you come from a perspective of saying, hey, maybe the Bible has some wisdom in it. it's got some things to say about this situation. And maybe we don't want to undermine that because it's in America specifically. That forms the basis of our constitutional rights. The whole thing has a Christian foundation to it that people argue about how much was it.

You know, it's yes, the founding fathers did not instantiate atheocracy. Yes, they did come from a Christian perspective and say, you know, specifically crafting the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments. it's blackstone's formulation taken from the story of Sodom and Gamora. We don't want that removed from law. We want that Christian foundation to inform and enact and be legally applied because it's for the best. It's a good thing. And I would never vote or encourage that that be changed because I think it would be a horrible mistake to do so.

And that means replacing it with other values hierarchies. He's like you go with the, you know, oppression Olympics of the kind of Marxist, uh, communist style where the most oppressed is necessarily correct. Or whether it be Sharia law where, uh, and people out there are going to go, oh, he said it again. He did the thing. I guess I know Sharia means law, but that's how we talk about it in the West because if you just just say Sharia, people don't understand what does that mean? It's the law.

It's, it's, it's theocratic law. Uh, anyway, I rambled a lot. But it said they do all back to that idea of what's the one thing you're not allowed to do? You're not allowed to bring in Christian teachings, Christian practice. You can have a hijab day, try on a hijab. You cannot have a pray the rosary day. They're going to castigate you and throw you out and ban it. They will say, no, that is religion.

What's the hijab thing is not? Really, really? I don't think that's culture. I don't think they even believe it. What they're saying. Yeah, they make excuses. They don't. They don't believe it.

They don't believe. That's the thing. They don't believe it. But that's the lie, right? That's the lie. and they know that you know that they know that they know that they're lying. And they continue to lie. That's a fantastic quote too.

Yeah. Yeah. And they know that we know that they're lying and they keep lying. Yep. Yeah. So culture in Canada is under big attack. Would I say we have a culture left in Canada? You know, it's really sad to say this year, this year I think was, to me, was one of the final shots

across the bow of Canada as a culture. And if we don't turn the ship around, I know this sounds like fear mongering and like the world is falling and that, when you declare yourself a post-national state, you open it up that whatever culture is willing to come in and establish themselves and say, yeah, we're the culture and we're going to enforce it, they become the culture. Yeah.

And whether it's through the state or another. religion or another culture from across the ocean. Doesn't matter. We have extremely high levels of immigration here. People here are not told to simulate. All right. People here are told, come here,

bring your culture, bring your diaspora issues from other countries here. And we'll just live in a, in a corkopia harmony of pussy and friendship, apparently. But that just doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. We have gang wars in the streets between rival,

religious factions, rival cultural factions. Our crime is absolutely out of control. Our immigration system was completely unleashed for years. Oh, yeah. And it's fascism because our corporations allied up with the government to displace the lower working class in Canada and use import labor subsidized by the government to keep things nice and cheap so that corporations could make as much money as possible. Tim Hortons, our famous coffee brand, was started by a famous hockey player who tied a few

on and wrapped himself around a light post and that in true Canadian fashion. But he had a successful brand. Tim Hortons, local coffee, come down, see your family, see your friends. And it was huge in Canada. And it was like this idea of like the classic coffee shop commercial. But it's where, you know, when I was a kid, I remember, you know, if I, you wanted to meet grandma or you wanted to meet your aunts, you go and you'd have a, I'd have a hot chocolate because I was a kid, but everyone would have coffee, hot chocolate, maybe a couple of donuts

and you'd sit around and you could be there for two or three hours and every, everything was good. Now you go there. The, it has been bought, the company was bought by the same company that owns Burger King, I believe. They're part. And then they started the TFW train. My sister worked at Tim Hortons.

That was her first job. I worked at Subway as my first real job sort of thing. And it's all entry level. It's what you want teenagers to do. Hey, you have to learn how to count money. You have to learn how to socialize with people appropriately. You have to learn how to deal with conflict. You have to learn how to count stock and manage inventory and do, you know, you have to learn

how to clean a restaurant properly. There's so many kids these days and some of its entitlement because the thing about liberals in this country that I will say is that a lot of these industries in Canada were industries that were pretty open for people, you know, class mobility. These liberals, they got into law these jobs. They turned around. They said we need to up the requirements to have people come in here and we need to up this and up that. And so they got the job, they slammed the door, they kept the gate and they rolled the ladder up behind them. And now it's all nepotism. Oh, my kid, my kid's going to work at Tim Hortons.

That's what poor people do. That's what immigrants do. My kid's going to go into a $100,000 a year job like I did right after they're done high school because I'm in a union or I'm, you know, I have 20 years in at this company. and it is huge in Canada. We think we're so much better than other people here. The entitlement that people have here is out. It's ridiculous. And I can prove it to you.

In Canada, you introduce yourself to someone new. Do you go through the brief introductions? What do you think the first question is that someone asked after the brief introduction? Oh, is it what do you do for a living? Yes. And you know why? Do you know why? That is a values judgment because in Canada, and I'm sure it probably happens elsewhere,

but people will judge you based off of what you say. So if I turn around and say, well, I'm a lawyer. And the person says, well, I work in McDonald's. It doesn't matter how friendly we are after that. We've already established the pecking order. Definitely. And people will. Yeah.

100% because that's how we are in Canada. You'll see it like police forces. Oh, where do you work? I work for C and Rail Police. I work for the OPP. And then someone goes, I work for the RCMP. And it's just,

it's this dick measuring, pecking order contest that everyone does here because everyone wants to feel a little bit more morally superior. Why? Because that's how we have our culture now. That is our culture. You know, I go ahead. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say,

I think we lost something important when we moved away from the idea that minimum wage jobs are supposed to be for teenagers to get experience. And it moved into a assertion or assumption that minimum wage jobs should pay a living wage because that's what people are trying to raise families on. I'm like, you shouldn't be trying to raise a family on minimum wage. You should be getting the experience you need and moving up into other better opportunities that pay better and leaving that behind for the next generation to come along. But yeah, so we've gotten into a thing where it's now, we're arguing over whether,

whether government should force companies to pay more because people are working those jobs that shouldn't be. It should be something, they should be moving up to something else by the time they're, you know, graduating to having a family and kids. It's a big, a big problem, I think. Yeah. No, I, the states in general does one thing, right, that I, when it comes to, a simulation.

Now, I don't know if they've always done it right. I know there's a big struggle right now. Election just happened. It's an immigration election, of my opinion, the U.S. just had. We're going to have an immigration election, the conservative party here, and I just want to say I'm a conservative,

I'm not beholden to any conservative-based party here. I voted CPC. I voted PPC. In that in the past, people's party is, supposed to be our more right-leaning governmental structure here. So I've, but it's,

it's just this, this, our CPC says, we're going to have a carbon tax election. We're not. We're having an immigration election. Doesn't matter what anyone else says. Because that's their culture.

That's their, their culture is we care very deeply about the environment and carbon credits and catastrophe. This is something I was going to say earlier too. I wrote it down. I haven't checked it off yet. but there is no avoiding that there will be a dominant culture. No matter what it is,

there will be a group of people who all agree enough about something that that's the way it is. And it's a, there's a reflexive relationship between, you know, it's the culture we get because people are willing to enforce it. And likewise, those willing to enforce it get the culture that they enforce. So the idea that, you know, we have no culture or, that it's, or that we can ever get to a point where there is no dominant culture. No, it just changes to something else. It just becomes a new set of enforced norms.

So there's going to be a culture. There's no avoiding that. And then we're just arguing over, well, that's where we get the idea of a culture of what's. Well, okay, well, what culture? Whose culture? And what are the appropriate rules for it? I think that's fair to suss out. I think that's fair to suss out.

We do have to suss that out. But like, oh, the one thing, and I think it's changed, bit, but I think, you know, when I think of the states, immigration into United States, bring, when people immigrate and become American citizens, they're told, okay, yes, you know, you can have your culture. I mean, I grew up in Ontario, used to go Detroit all the time, and they have Chinatown there. They have the different districts and that sort of thing you can go to. But there was this idea that when you went to the United States, you became a U.S. citizen, and that was dominant identity.

You're going there to become an American. Yes. You are now an American Italian, American Chinese, American Mexican. In Canada, it's now, well, I'm a, I don't know, Peruvian Canadian. I'm a Chile Canadian. See how it's flipped? See how it's flipped?

It's not, I'm a, you know, Canadian, Chilean or whatever. It's flipped here where it's like, this is my daughter. Dominant identity being Canadians my secondary identity that just why is to be where I'm living Yeah, then then more then why the fuck did you come here? Yeah, yeah. If your reason then becomes Well, because I can make more money. Okay. So now we're back to I'm this is just an economic zone with a bunch of different people living there that yeah don't agree on anything and I my my big thing too is you know I don't I don't have a. A priori moral opposition to immigration. That's fine. People want to move around, you know, I don't want to tell people where to live or what to do, but there is a problem

where you bring in too many people of too many different opinions too fast. It becomes a practical concern of this is too much change over a short period of time. These are people that cannot coexist. They're going to fight, whether it's physically in the streets. You, you import a whole lot of people from the Middle East. And now in Canada, you've got marches in Jewish neighborhoods where they're shouting from the river to the sea. It's like, these people are already fighting over there. want to import their conflict over here, so maybe we just don't do that. And that means, that means having immigration restrictions saying, hey, if you're from this part of the world or you hold this set of beliefs, I'm sorry, you're just not welcome here because that's not compatible

with what we got going on. And I mean, you're to the, to the left, clutching pearls and gasping and that's bigotry. And like, uh, it is absolutely intolerance. I am intolerant of all kinds of things that I think are dead wrong. And I will, um, I think it's, um, I think it's, um, unacceptable to rape a woman. Therefore, if I see that happening, I will use physical force to stop it. Yes, I am goddamn intolerant of rape. You got me, I confess. But that goes for other things, too.

I'm not just going to stand by and watch certain things happen. Yes, I will use my vote and the force of law to prevent it. And I don't think anyone should be ashamed of that. And not only that, but keeping out incompatible ideologies, I would say, know, from my perspective, anyone who is an avowed communist, you're not welcome. No immigration for you. Get out. And that has nothing to do with race, religion, anything else. That is purely ideological. If you're a communist, I don't want you in America. And I'm perfectly happy to tell the border guards to turn you away. And you can apply that to a bunch of other stuff. But that's,

that's the simple example. Sometimes you've got to keep in guard and say, no, this is the culture. This is what we do here. And we're not going to allow that to change by letting other people in. That's where I'm at on this. I'm right now in favor of like a 30 year. moratorium on all immigration to America. It's probably one of my most extreme positions. Like, we've had too much change, too fast. We need to sort our shit out and figure out, okay, what are we doing here? Then we can have the conversation.

Should we open the borders again? Should we let new people? Who should we let in? But anyway, I said a lot there. I'll let you respond or change the subject if you want to. I know. I think you're right on track with that. You know, my position isn't too different, I guess.

many ways. To me, and of course, I, I, we're all hypocrites in some ways. You know, getting back to theology a little bit, I guess, you know, it's not, it isn't simply just replacing one religious dominant culture with another. It has been the long march through the institutions of the established religious culture and that as well. I'm, I mean, we could do, we could do a, we could do a a 500-hour episode on the schisms in the Christian churches. And we could rag on everyone because everyone's made mistakes, and that's okay. It's a church. It's made by humans and inspired by God made by humans, right?

And so it's going to have its issues. But for me, it's, okay, let me use, for example, like a workplace. So workplaces, they will make special exceptions for Muslims, for example, for their prayer times, right? And there's been human rights stuff that's been one over that. Is it an intrusion of church and state? Who knows? But in general, most workplaces will make special arrangements for Muslims, maybe because they don't want to be Charlie Hebdoed, but I'm not 100% sure. But if we were, if Christians were to turn around and say, well, actually, Christians are

required to follow the litany of the hours and pray seven times a day. Technically, well, six times unless you're pastoral, then if you're not pastoral, you don't have to do the 3am one. Thank goodness for that. Yeah, that's too early. Yeah. But I mean, and Christian religion says pray and never cease, right? and so the litany of the hours says that prayer times at three, six, and nine, when you get up in the morning, midday prayers, and right before you go to bed. So that's six times a day. Christians are technically supposed to pray.

Most of the time it's the deacons and above they're doing it, but every Christian is called to try to follow that example. Most of them try to follow at least the three times a day in the morning, afternoon, and in the evening. So will a workplace make a special accommodation for Christians to pray at least during working hours? I wonder if anyone's tried. Are you aware of anyone who's tried? No.

And I wonder why Christians don't push that. You should probably bring that lawsuit, yeah. Well, why not? Why not? And my response has been, you know, like we have this thing right now. They want to ban prayers in public because the Muslims, what they do is they do, they're called a prayer. they all march into the middle of the streets and they and they face Mecca and then they

submit to God because Islam is submission and that sort of thing. And so they submit to God, they face Mecca and they do it in public and people are like, oh, well, you know, they're just, they're just praying. I'm like, no, they are showing their dominance. Well, what should we do? Should we ban it? Here's what I've said. Why don't the Christians get out, get on their knees?

and pray the rosary for for 30 minutes in the street every day. Just get a bunch of Catholics to go and do that. Sure. You know, why don't, why don't, you know, other religions just go and do that? If we, if we need to make this into something because one isn't playing ball, then we'll make it into something and we'll humiliate the state in the process. Because the state has no problem with Muslims in the street praying and saying, well, that's all, that's all protected.

And like, you're in it, you're in a major fucking roadway. You're not in a public park, you're not in, you know, you're in a major roadway and you're blocking things. They're doing it on church properties and that, of course, Christians were all way too nice to say stuff. And we could talk about the hippification of Jesus in the church and that. Very quick tangent. I was watching this TV show. And it was, it was this, it was this woman and she, And she's like big in a religion.

Um, and this guy's there. He's trying to help her fix her life. All right. He's gay. All right. And he's there. And he's just like, oh, you know, like, I don't feel safe and gay in these spaces generally and all that. And she's like, well, God says to love, not judge.

I'm like, oh boy. We got an evangelical here because that is not true. Did you see my tweets this morning? Actually, this is a apropos what. I saw that. I liked it actually because, yeah, I saw. I saw this thing. Well, God calls people to love not to judge.

And I'm like, oh, are you really sure about that? Are you, are you sure? Because that is not true. Yeah, no, there's all kinds of judgment. And one of my biggest problems is the people who are, say, not Christians, or at the very least, subverted Christian churches where they've, they've become more Marxist than Christian. Your universalist churches and that.

Yeah, yeah. Well, so they'll take these stories that are, that are. that's there's a there's a narrative explanation that diverges for for different groups and i i guess that all you know blame blame it on martin luther way back in the day with the first diversion from the catholic then again we got a problem with the pope these days and he's saying all kinds crazy lefty things too so yeah but just the story of uh of uh jesus in and the uh the prostitute and uh two two things you know let he who is among you who is without sin among you cast the first stone and go forth and sin no more is what he says to her so the love of the love of you you know what he says to her so the love

of Jesus comes with judgment. I'm not even a Christian, but I feel like I understand these books and stories better than people who I think intentionally misrepresenting them for political reasons. Well, they are intentionally misrepresenting. The judgment for, you know, first, the judgment for the

prostitute is, hey, go forth and sin no more. So there's a judgment there. It's like what you were doing was bad, bad for you, bad for the culture. It's a sin. What, however you see sin. And the remedy is, just stop that. So it's a judgment with a prescribed remedy with it with a consequence given of,

you know, repent, redeem yourself, go forth and sin no more. Don't keep doing the bad thing. Yes, the judgment must be it was bad what you were doing. So don't do that. Don't do the bad thing. And then the separate thing, you know, that gets misunderstood is the idea of let he who is without sin cast the first stone is it's about the appropriateness of consequences. It's about maybe this type of sin does not warrant a death penalty. Maybe we don't need to kill people over this. Maybe we can just say, hey, as a community, look at all these people who got a problem with what you're doing. You should recognize it's not good for you. It's not good for anyone. You should feel appropriate shame that motivates behavioral change. And we're all good. We don't have to kill anybody. So it isn't,

don't judge. It's maybe don't murder people who made a mistake. Maybe give them a chance to reform and expect reform from them. Not anything goes. Not, well, we're talking. Well, we're talking. going to let you off the hook. It doesn't matter what you did. No, what you did is wrong. It's bad. Don't do that. But you don't have to die. So, I mean, just getting that and then hearing so many of these conversations that were people take Bible quotes out of context and don't understand the fullness of the story and make all these crazy assertions, Jesus doesn't judge. It's just absurd on the face of it. If anyone has any understanding of how, you know, who Jesus was and how what he was trying to teach. Anyway, I'll stop there. Go ahead. Oh, man. You're going to have to rename your show

bit. You're going to have to say your show's going to be Benjamin the Christian apologist now. Well, this is a fantastic thing for me to say I'm not a Christian. I am not a believer. I don't subscribe to that religion, but I look at them all and I try to understand them honestly. And, you know, so there's a lot of forthcoming. Some of the forthcoming books I want to do are like a wizard's guide to Greek mythology. What are these stories?

You know, a wizard's guide to Aesop's Fables. What are these stories? Explaining all the different ways, because we've been a narrative species ever since we learned how to communicate. We've told each other's stories, and the stories are meant to help us understand the world around us and ourselves. And if you understand them correctly, then you're going to get something useful out of it. If you don't, it's a bunch of nonsense and gobbledygook, and it's actually detrimental, not just neutral. You know, it's big. So, yeah, I mean, I'm happy to talk about all this, this kind of stuff.

I'm happy to go on for another hour or two, but you, I don't want you to run that time. We got to get to the dream thing eventually so we can get you out of here. You got to, you got to warm up a car in negative 45 degrees and go pick up your sister or something. So I don't, I just want to, I want to talk one last thing. Please. We can move. So just that shot across the bow. And I said we had that shot across the bow.

the bout in Canada. This year, it was at Remembrance Day. So Remembrance Day is probably the last major Canadian tradition. People have tried to fuck with it in the past. And people

and in general, people have turned around and said, you know what? Just shut the fuck up. You have 364 days for the rest of the year, for your cause and your, today it is remembering are fallen. It's remembering the soldiers that fought for us and died for this country.

So World War I, we got in Flanders Fields. Basically, after one of the major battles, there was a Canadian soldier, and he'd seen where all the bodies were because poppies grow really quick. The decomposing bodies of the soldiers buried, there was a bunch of, we're creating poppy fields. So he wrote the infamous poem in Flanders Fields. That was a Canadian guy, wrote that? Yeah, in Flandersfields. I didn't know. Yeah, and so it became a tradition in Canada.

We came back on the 11th day, 11th hour, the guns fell silent. And so we used that day, the 11th of November, to remember the fallen. And we have the symbol. We used the poppy as a symbol of the sacrifices that Canadian lives gave up for our country. to protect, you know, Canada, but also to support the British and world order, world peace, whatever you want to call it, right? Because we don't just remember World War I and World War II anymore. We have peacekeeping conflicts. We have the Canadians that volunteered to go to Vietnam.

We have the Canadians that fought in Operation Desert Storm, Operation Desert Storm 2. And the Canadians are still helping our allied nations to this day train their members. militaries and things like that. Anyways, that's a little bit of history on that. For sure. Now, there's been stuff in the past, uh, beatniks and all that turn around saying, well, you know, we want to make like a white poppy that symbolizes all the civilians that have been killed by military personnel and war. And we say, okay, yeah, you can have whatever you want. It just can't be on remembrance day. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah, you can have whatever day you want. It can't be the poppy.

We did trade market in Canada. We can get into that on a whole other tangent about that. But the idea is the red poppy is supposed to represent all veterans. Now there has been a little divergence with Indigenous Veterans Day, but they weren't officially recognized as veterans.

I feel like that one there, that's a topic that could be discerned through, probably. But what we've had is we've had people try to make like rainbow poppies and stuff like that and like, oh, what about the gay soldiers? Well, that's still under the red poppy. Doesn't matter. We, we don't realize that we don't separate.

Like, you're an indigenous soldier. Great, you're a soldier. You're a soldier. You're a soldier. We have a soldier's day. This is, this is the day. You're in that group. You don't need, you don't need special recognition.

You're in. You're one of us. That's, that's the intersectionality. Right. We need a special day, a special thing for everyone. Yeah. But this year was the shot across the bow because, uh, we have, uh, We have the pro-Hamas terrorist protests in Canada.

I call them pro-Hamas because in Vancouver they did a rally. They said, we're Hamas, were Hezbollah. They chanted the names of their dead martyrs. All right. Then they said, death to Canada, death of the United States, and death to Israel. They then burnt a Canadian flag. I take them that their word. Absolutely.

Well, exactly. Why wouldn't you? Yep. Yes. Yes. Is it stupid? Well, they didn't really mean that. No, you're lying.

Shut up. Of course they did. But then they turned around. And then they said, well, we're going to, on Remembrance Day, we're going to remember our martyrs, we're going to remember this, we're going to, and, and for the first time ever, instead of everyone turning around, just telling them to shut the fuck up and fuck off with that, we had places that were place seating it. And to me, that's the final shot across the battle.

If we lose a remembrance stay, even more if we lose Canada Day, because it used to be called Dominion Day, we could make that into a whole thing, too. but if we lose Remembrance Day, all right, you know, Richard Dawkins might have said that Jordan Peterson was drunk on symbolism, but I disagree. I think he's blind to symbols. Yeah.

We need symbols. Absolutely. There will be a symbol. There will be a culture. It's going to happen. These things are not avoidable. There is no, there's no,

uh, null state of we have no symbols in culture. No culture. It's, yeah. Well, and I look at this is like, uh, there's a specific reason why they attack.

days like that. It is, in my estimation, AIDS commie subversive intent that they're tearing down the old to usher in the new. They will use any, they will use any angle of attack to get at it. Whatever works, whatever

results in the destruction of the thing they want to remove. So there is no, there is nothing to do but say no. And we have to become a lot more comfortable saying no. No, I'm not going to do that. No, you can't do that. No, we don't do that. here and yeah you can fuck off and get the fuck out and

I don't have a problem with that it's I'm not we're way to we're way too uh we're way to into the uh pathological compassion side of tolerance we don't know anyone to feel uncomfortable or left out no sometimes what you want is bad and wrong and I don't support it and I'm not going to allow it and

that that's the end of it I'm not I have zero apologies to get to anyone for things that I're gone you're out yeah for things that I that I'm not interested now they want to go somewhere else and do their thing over there that's fine you go do whatever i'm not i'm not going to use force of law to say go in and bust up a celebration of of what was the thing that they were doing over there the alternative day was oh mar the follow marg the go do your follow martyr thing i don't care but but to have everyone in the public say that's not what we're doing we're not doing that this is big big you know no one's

no one's going to prison for having a we're celebrating our martyrs throw a barbecue i don't care go do it over there we're not holding parades in public that's that's for our holidays That's for what we do here. That's my opinion. And I don't disagree. I'm going to take it one step further, though. Maybe we might disagree on this, and that's okay. That's okay.

We're allowed to disagree on things. At the one celebrate, remembrance day, it's not a celebration, but event, they unfurled a pro-Palestine banner. In my opinion, we don't even need the police.

lease for that. All that should have happened is a bunch of people should have gone over there, grabbed onto them and physically remove them from the event. Now, I would agree with that. If you're going to come in and disrupt my event, no, you're leaving. You're leaving. I would say the same if they unfurled a, you know, a Nazi flag or a communist flag. 100%. We don't do that here. That's not happening. That is not something we're going to allow to be associated with us. We're not tolerating this. Get out. Go do it over there. Go to a different public park and have a different celebration somewhere else. Like, I wouldn't send police to shut down their celebration, but I would, I would absolutely

have the community say this is unacceptable, would remove it from the main function. Yeah. This is not, well, the police are useless. Well, that too. The police are useless. They're more likely to arrest you for having a problem with them, yeah. But we have to enforce the cultural hegemony there. You know, the freedom convoy.

There was some loser that came by and unfurled a Nazi flag. And guess what? A few minutes later, he wasn't at the rattle. anymore. He was gone because a bunch of people went over and made him feel so uncomfortable. So which means that there might be a likelihood of violence if you don't because that's, that's how things have to work sometimes. And that person left. And they went and they went somewhere else and they were marching around with it somewhere else. Yeah, we're going to ask nicely and then we're going to stop asking. So we're ask, tell, take a walk. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And there will be,

there will be cultural enforcement. It's just whose culture. And apparently not us. Apparently not us. because they unfurled the pro-Palestine banner. Everyone stood around still did the ceremony. Well, they have a right to frame a speech. Yes, they do, but it doesn't have to be here. It doesn't have to be at our cultural event. It doesn't have to subvert our cultural event. They can fuck off over there where no one has to see them.

All right. Well, we have our Canadian cultural event here. Sorry, our Canadian cultural event is going to take precedence over your fucking pro-Hamas bullshit. Yep. Anyways, we're on the same page. We're on the same page on that one. It's like, yeah, and this is, and then, you know, so let's say someone decides to clip this out. I'm like, listen to these authoritarian's in there.

You know, it's only described in that way when it's, again, they don't have a problem with hijab day. It's pray the rosary day they don't like. It's not that some culture won't be dominant. It's that not yours. You're not allowed specifically. And I just, I just reject that. You know, and I'm a little more libertarian on, on things. but there's definitely a time, manner, and place considerations for even America's First

Amendment. It's like one thing you can't do is go to someone else's event and create such a disruption that their event is not allowed to take place. That is, you know, the classic heckler's veto. You're stealing, robbing from someone else, their ability to express themselves by by heckling, by being disruptive. And that's what they do with a lot of the speeches on college campuses in America. They just come and make such a ruckus that.

And that's them attempting to enforce their cultural legumity of these ideas are not allowed. You cannot say these words. We don't allow it. And if you try, we will drown you out with our shouts and cries. And that's where you need your legal system and your culture, broader culture, to come in and say, no, we don't do that. These people can have their thing over here. They can say whatever they want and you don't have to like it.

And you can protest. it, but you can't rob them of their First Amendment guaranteed right to free speech. You don't have to listen. No one's obligated to listen, but you can't stop them from speaking. That's, that's a big problem, I think. We've been fighting that culture war in America for at least 10, 15 years now. And I think things are turning a corner. You know, put a, put a pin in this or button it up a little bit. I think there is a generally more conservative trend coming for Canada and it's already started in America as people are waking up to this idea. And here's, here's where I'm at too is like, I am not constitutionally myself. And I mean that like physically,

the way I am constituted, not the capital C U.S. Constitution, but I am a balance, a yin yang balance of left and right, of progress and tradition. And I think both are necessary. So what I'm doing lately pulling pretty hard to the right, like get that tug of rope is we have been out of balance for too long. We have had too much unrestrained quote unquote progress, change for the sake of change. Everything old is necessarily bad. Everything new is necessarily better. And the half of me that says, you know, no, no, sometimes we figured shit out. It works well and we don't want to change it. That's the conservative or traditional side of things is, you know, all change. change cannot be for the better. Sometimes, what is it? There's a, there's a famous meme of an eagle that

has just gotten a fish out of the water. And it says, you know, just because you're moving forward doesn't mean you're heading somewhere you want to be. And it's that idea of, yes, that fish's material circumstances have been radically changed. He's about to be eaten. He will soon be dead. I mean, if death is the outcome, that's not a change you should be happy about. And not all changes are for the best. We actually, I hope, are heading towards a period of time where we're capable of undoing some mistakes from the past. That was another thread I was arguing with some people about today is the idea that there's kind of a bit of a, what am I trying to say, part of the secular religion that we have that involves a lot of the, you know, Marxist communist stuff, it endorses a belief, dog, dogmatic belief

in the idea that we are always moving towards like the arc of history, the end of history, that there's a necessary specific destination and that every change along the way is necessary to get us there. And I'm saying, hey, if you made a mistake and it didn't work out so good, you tried an experiment and it failed, maybe don't do that anymore. Maybe undo that mistake. And I think that's what we're heading towards right now. We're going to roll back some things that have been implemented in the name of progress that

just turned out to be horrible ideas. And maybe we shouldn't do that anymore. I think we're finally able to, we're headed in a direction where we can make that. make that change. Oh, I'll go. I'll go. I'll go.

It's true. We don't have an infinite amount of time. And sometimes there's, there's a threshold of too much damage done where things are going to have to get a lot worse before they get better. And I don't, I'm very worried about that. Yeah. Things are going to get worse.

Yeah. I wish I didn't agree with you. I really don't want that to be the case. But I need some more evidence that things are changing. the mistakes are being corrected quickly enough to avoid that outcome. But yeah, there's a good chance. I don't know. I've had 2033 in my head for a long time.

Even before I became aware of those video games, the video game series about what was the post-nuclear subsistence in Russia. Great games, by the way, great games. On my gaming list down below. Yeah, I played them before, too. They're pretty good. Well, I had this, I don't know if it's an epiphany or just a concern or, but the number, that number jumped into my head in the 90s. We're talking 96, 97-ish, something about like 2033 being a, like, get your shit together before than just in case.

And I'll say that right now. We got a couple of years. I mean, it's a few years off. So it's not too late to, what am I trying to say? get together with family and help each other prosper and survive, whatever that means. So we'll see. Build your bunker. Build your bunker.

Buy gold. Yeah, make the family compound. Get you get back together with friends and family and make sure you're, you know, secure and self-sufficient in your local area. You know, there's one thing to say about like, it's nice that we have this global economy with all these independent supply chains. They say where goods do not cross borders, armies do. yeah, if you're not kind of, to some degree,

interdependent, but I think it's gone too far. I think we've gone too far towards globalism. Sure, it's great to have free trade and whatnot, but the idea that you should probably be a little more self-sufficient locally. And I think about that, like, first, you, self-sufficient as much as you can, then your family, then your community, then your state, then your nation. And then we all, you know, scale it up from those things.

Benjamin, you're sounding very conservative right now. Well, these are, these are a lot of the values. Like, if this was just baked into the cake, that could be a little more balanced on my, on my, you know, left and right or progressive conservative dyads. Like, I'll talk to some conservatives and they'll say, we should ban porn. I'm like, libertarian here, 50% lefty, no, I don't agree with that.

I think it's okay to have public shame, but I'm not going to go as far as to say, this must be outlawed, people must be put in prison. So that's my libertarian side. And my, my, my equally left and right halves, trying to get back to that balance. So anyway, I'm talking. too much. This is about you. No problem.

We should get back to, uh, uh, uh, or, or move forward with, uh, doing your dream. Are you ready to all right? Let's, let's talk, let's talk dreams here. Let's do this. Let me make a little note of the time so I can find it. So, okay, uh, this is how this works. Uh, I shut up and listen. Our friend, uh, Russell's going to tell us his dream and then we're going to talk about it. And it's that easy. So, um, I'm ready when you are. Benjamin the dream wizard wants to help you. Here's the veil of night and shine the light of understanding upon the mystery of dreams. Every episode of his dreamscapes program features real

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this down so I'll kind of read it out but then I'll add caveats where I feel that caveats are kind of necessary so you know dreams they they don't really have an end or beginning right and they're just quoting Madonna now but uh just so basically the way the dream kind of started off whenever I phased into it there was this idea that I was going to like this old prism I say old prison like it was like one of those old medieval style prisons um so and I was going there for a tour so I must have been on vacation or something like that not too sure but I was going there for a tour but I had forgotten my phone I had my like pad my pockets and I was

like forgot my phone right how am I going to take pictures without it so I was turned around now I'd never actually saw anyone else I was just walking down this hallway and I just knew I was there for a tour and I was like oh I better turn around and go get my phone and Well, I turned a corner and nearly instantly became lost because in dreams, room shift and they kind of lose meaning, I guess. And I became lost. So I found that I'd walked out into this old courtyard. So behind me was just this wall of massive wooden doors with metal bars through them.

And it was nighttime, but I could see fairly well because it was moonlit. And then I was on paved ground, but there was some grassy areas around. There was a wall in front of me. So I was like in like a walled off courtyard. And I could see like a turret. And it was like a guard tower, right? There was a single turret and it was like an old medieval style turret. But there was a door nearby and it was and it was just a jar.

So I went in through this door. And I ended up in a hallway. So it was like a very old, like, but it was a big hallway, but it was like a medieval prison. I don't actually think medieval prisons have big hallways. I'm pretty sure they were tight quarters for a reason. But it was, it was like this big kind of hallway, old medieval prison style. But it had like a dim modern lighting to it. And I could see that there was like these classrooms almost.

Like they had these windows in there and then there was these classrooms. And I could see that there was staff in there. And there was actual convicts in there and they were teaching these convicts or programming, whatever. And I didn't feel uncomfortable with that, like, because suddenly now I'm somewhere where there is real convicts and staff, apparently. But I didn't feel uncomfortable. I kind of felt like, you know, I didn't feel like I was a convict. I just kind of felt like it was all right to be there. Like I wasn't going to be viewed by suspicion by anyone.

So then I got to, there's all these doors on the wall. And they're kind of like the ones outside. There's these, but they're like solid metal bars, but I can't see through them. I just know that they're doors. And that. So they're kind of like the wooden ones. They got the metal rods going through them. But when I went up to them, I realized they're not doors, but they were like drawing

of doors on the wall. So I couldn't actually go through any of the doors because it turns out they're just part of the wall structure itself. They were made to look like doors, but it was almost like an illusion, like they were painted on. And so, of course, what do you do next, right? You're kind of trapped here that you can't really go anywhere.

So I went into one of the classrooms and I was like trying to talk to the people that asked for directions. Like, how do I get back to the entrance here? And the people didn't have a lot of particular detail. Like, I wouldn't say, like, there was a, there was a particular amount of detail to the people. But they were, they were there. So, but they weren't hostile either. I just went up to them like, hey, like, how do I get out of here?

Do you know who I am? And, like, what's going on here? And, and they just turned and stared at me. They didn't say anything. Like, it wasn't hostile. I was almost playful. like, I don't know how else to describe it, like, it wasn't hostile at all. And so I left the classroom area, and I was, okay, well, that's, that's kind of weird.

So I found a corner that wasn't there before, because of course, now I've left that classroom area. So now, of course, like, the ever-changing landscape, things have changed, like a bad AI artwork. And there was a corner, and I turned it. Now when I turn this corner, I've now left that atmosphere behind. Now I'm walking down a hallway. It's solid granite, like black granite stone. There's a light source. I don't know where it's coming from, but it's, again, it's dim.

And I, again, see another big glass pane, and there's a classroom there again. I don't know why there's this thing with classrooms here. But this is not like a prison classroom. And this is like, it feels more like I'm at some like, I don't know, advanced tech school thing or something like that. And so there's a window and there's someone on the other side. And it's someone and they're teaching a young woman how to play a violin. And I could see the light source. So I could see like what they were doing.

But everything else behind it's black. So I can just see like this young woman. don't really have much details on her, but she's being taught how to play the violin by someone. They don't even notice I'm there. And I'm like, I guess I don't really think it's that weird, but I just kind of keep walking down the hallway. I feel kind of like I'm observing like a painting almost.

It felt kind of like, you know, like they didn't even recognize I was there or anything like that. They were just doing their own thing. Like I didn't even exist. So then I found at the end of this whole thing, hallway there was some double doors and there was this massive uh lounge so i pushed open the double doors and now i'm in this massive lounge it's kind of like um kind of like a lounge you would see on like a like a cruise ship almost but it's a bit fancier um so it's got a whole bunch of seating and that sort

of thing for like people to lounge about but like it's it's upgraded it's not like low it's not like simple plastic. It's generally pretty nice. There's, um, there's some nice music kind of being pumped in through the background, I guess. Um, and for some reason, I'm in a military uniform now. I don't know why, um, but it, excuse me, but it's not fitting properly for some reason. Like, I'm uncomfortable in it. Um, and it's because I don't, I'm not wearing the proper length shirt underneath. So I'm wearing a shirt underneath, but it's not the proper length. And so there's other people there, and they're coming up to me, and they're telling me, hey, just take your tunic off and relax, right?

Like, they all got drinks. It's a relaxed lounge, right? So they're telling me the tunic is like, it's like the outer jacket on a military uniform. It might seem like a marching band type thing. And so I'm telling them, no, I'm good, right? like I'm good and they're like, ah, just,

just relax, right? And because I know if I take the tunic off, it's going to show that I'm not wearing some dress regulation appropriate, um, uh, shirt on.

And so like I don't want people to see that. Um, so, but I'm being very polite and I'm just telling them, no, I'm good and I'm telling them, I'm late for this, this tour I'm supposed to be on.

Um, and so I'm kind of working my way through this lounge. Um, and, And as I'm working my way through, the music starts to fade, and I see a door with a window. And through it, I can see red. I can see the color red through it. And I'm like, all right, I'm getting out of here.

Because, again, I'm not dressed properly for whatever occasion this is. So I open up the door, and I enter into, like, a grand ballroom. So now I'm in a grand, like a big ballroom. and everything in it is red everything so like the it's it's very exquisite like a like a very exquisite fancy dinner so the red table cloth it's got red napkins the chairs are red everything is red um there's red sparkles on the table um it it was very bizarre like it's like very very bright. But the weird part about the room is, well, all the decorations are red and very bright, I can't see the edges of the room at all. It's like focused in on the center of the room.

And I just know instinctively that the theme is love. I don't ask me why. I just know instinctively the theme is love. And there's music that's going on over the speakers. I don't, I can't see the speakers, but it's like formal event music you would hear, like a concerto or something like that. But they're this, like again, this deep, almost maroon like red. And I feel like I miss something important. And it kind of makes me a little panicky. Like, like they've already had the event. And I, and I'm late now.

I'm like, okay. So like I'm kind of getting a little panicky because I feel like what I miss. something really important. Now I can't make out like I said the details of the room behind because the only light source in the room again is from the very top down onto these tables and it's the only thing I can see is just the redness from the tables. And then something catches my attention to the left and I look to the left and there's about 20 glass doors that lead out of the area. Kind of like if you were like entering into like a like a big room, you know sometimes they have like opening doors and there's multiple entrances and you'd have someone taking like a ticket type

thing. Almost like going to a movie theater almost like the old school ones. Uh, so there's about 20 of these glass doors and right in front of the doors are these pots and there's these red fireworks and they're shooting out of this pot, uh, these pots so I can see and I can hear the fireworks along with the music. Um, so I'm like, okay, well, that must be the exit. Like, like, I got to, to get out of here because whatever this is, I missed it. There's the exit. I got to get out of here because there's nothing else in this room for me. And as I work my way over to the doors, the spotlight hits me. So the spotlight comes out of nowhere and it shines right on me. And there's someone that gets over a speaker and asked me where I'm going. And if I leave now, I'll miss the 8 p.m.

heart dance. I have no idea what that is. But if I leave now, I'm going to miss the 8 p.m. heart dance. And I got the spotlight on me, right? So, you know, I'm already feeling like I missed something here. And now I've got the spotlight on me. He then berates me for being old. I don't know why.

But he, uh, because I'm like, because I'm leaving, right? And he's like, oh, like, you know, you're, you're old and that. and so and then I say like no like I got to go and he's be rating me for being old so I go through the door and as I go through the door there's a woman standing there and she's wearing a red dress she's highly attractive the dress is kind of reminiscent of like a 1920s prohibition era dress like it's it's still classy but it's shown a little leg right it's it's I guess Jessica Rabbit I guess, like who framed Roger Rabbit, like style like

that sort of. She's a redhead. She kind of has like this playful demeanor. And she looks back towards the room. The spotlight's still on the door where I walk through, but it hasn't gone through the door. And she says,

well, that was pretty immature of him to me. And I looked at her and I said, and I told her, I said, it doesn't matter anyways. then she tells me that she's that she's leaving and so I say okay well I'm leaving too let's walk together and so I basically offered a walk out with her and now the prison setting that was originally there like it's completely gone now now it's more like we're leaving like a fancy

club or like a fancy event area now and as I'm as we're leaving there's a security guard who's on the left and he's got this gun in his hand, like this big rifle in his hand, and he's staring at us as we leave, and I can see the exit up ahead. You know, the hallways, they're dimly lit, but they're being lit by some lighting source, but they're just, they're kind of plain, but like, you can tell, like, we're in like a fancy or a fancy carpet, and I can see the exit up ahead. There's an exit sign at the top, very like American psycho-ish. There's an exit sign at the top. and we're walking towards it. And as we're walking towards this X, we're not talking or anything.

My dog actually jumps on top of me and wakes me up. And that's the end of it there. So I never got to see what the inevitable conclusion was going to be. If we're going to go full like film noir or whatnot. So my dog wakes me up. And then I remembered it in high detail. And then I was like, okay, I better write this down. that is amazing I am super jealous of that kind of recall I don't think I've ever had the the

kind of vivid recall that that people have been able to report uh to me from their own experiences um and even the dreams that yeah that that I have managed to remember they're so vague and and holding on to anything is almost impossible for me um so maybe I maybe I have an experience of waking up remembering more than I could capture and then it just disappears, which is a common common experience too. That's a lot. I don't know if you saw, but I ended up with, I'll say four solid pages of just notes. No, no, no, that's okay.

You did absolutely nothing wrong. Yeah, I don't know. Like I, in general, since I was a kid and we talked about this little bit pre-show and that, I just, I've, I've had vivid dreams that I still remember even to this day. You know, and of course, they're very old, some of them. And like I said, some of them are attached to experiences in my life that are not so positive. But this was a pretty recent one. And so, yeah, I just, I, you know, I remembered, I remembered it.

And when I was younger, I used to dream journal a little bit when I was younger. It was on a recommendation. of a therapist when I was younger. So I could suss out some of the deeds of my subconscious and that. So I, so, but this one I woke up and I was so bizarre. It was like the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced in that for dreams in a very long time that it stuck with me to the point that I wrote it all down. Yeah, that's amazing.

Well, I very often say dreams self-select for importance. The ones you remember need, need to stay with. you because there's something you're supposed to consciously consider about them. So probably what's happened with me, the working theory is that I'm, maybe I'm not supposed to remember ultimately. Maybe whatever conclusions I'm coming to in my dreams are meant to stay in the subconscious and then just intuitively guide me later. Then again, I can't tell you how many times I've had the experience of going to bed

considering a problem and waking up with the answer in the morning and no memory of a dream and how I got there. But being confused, sleeping, and having absolute clarity the next day, something happened. And as long as I get that clarity, I guess the clarity that I come away with is with the purpose of the dream. So sometimes these things are so complex that they really need to show you a story. Okay. So what is the purpose of me even highlighting the fact that I got four pages? We've got like 15 minutes from when I told you I've been trying to get you out of here. So what we're not going to be able to do is my typical method that I'm going to toying with getting away from. We'll see where I go through each where we take your narrative that you just gave me and we start we go right back to the beginning.

And I start trying to see it through your eyes. The good news is I saw themes that popped out to me as I was as you were. describing it. And I think we can try to work with, shortcut that a little bit. And, and what I do is, and the reason I told you, you know, beforehand, don't tell me anything about the dream is that, um, I will make suggestions. And you tell me that feels right. It doesn't feel right. That makes sense for this reason. That doesn't make any sense to me. You are the authority. I am not. I'm just the guy that has ideas. I'm the guy you invite into your head to stand behind your shoulder and shine a flashlight around going to say, and do you see what I see?

And if you don't see what I said, then it's not, then that's not what it is. Um, Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not here to tell anyone I am the authority. So, um, you, you, I don't know how much, hmm, I'm going to put a timestamp here and I'll, make an edit if I need to, but we discussed a little bit, um, about your, say, private practice. Um, and, and I, and I don't know how comfortable you are discussing that in terms of the connection with the imagery of the dream.

Uh, not. That not, not 100%. Not 100%. Yeah, I would say that they're, you know, based on what we discussed before and are not going to discuss now, there seems an obvious connection there. Yeah. And I think that's a fair, a fair assumption. And I mean, we can, we can. Sorry to be cryptic for the audience, but that's, yeah.

No, it's all right. You know, I will always work with you to keep things private. You don't want on the internet. So this is for the audience to know that. And there is absolutely no betrayal of trust here. So, but. in the in the broader scheme of things so we've got the idea of prisons we've got the idea of education taking place in prisons and there's a there's a broad progression through the story as well

as like as you move forward it starts in in a ancient or archaic setting you know the old stone castle style prison and as you go through the story you start getting more and more modern elements. It's moving forward in time as much. So there's there's a journey taking place as well. You're you're not just moving through an environment. You're moving through time as well. And again, like I said, stop me. If you're like, I don't know about that. I think that's fair. Yeah, most of the most of the stuff I suggest should have some relevance. I shouldn't be completely wrong about everything, although that's it that has happened. again you see see the idea of teaching classes so there's the uh an interesting idea of

of classrooms for prisoners and and there's staff there and you even attempt to interact with them at some point and they're not let's it no no let me back this way up first of all you're there for a tour so the idea is i would say in the in the dream context you're already setting up the framework of like look i don't i'm not here to work i'm not here to i'm not a prisoner I am here to observe. I'm moving through this environment as a information gathering, as as observing. I don't know if you can think of a better word for, for, to experience this from the outside as an observer tourist.

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. So this isn't, I hesitate to say this isn't about what's happening to you, but it's more, even if it is, it's more about stepping outside of yourself and looking back. Okay, watching yourself experience something. And from the perspective of trying to understand what happened or what is happening or what you want to happen, as Freud would say wish fulfillment, the idea of, it's, I wish to avoid a bad thing. I wish to move towards a good thing. So if you frame it that way, Freud was right about everything. But he wasn't right about everything.

Just a lot of things. He doesn't get enough credit for inventing talk therapy. Like, really, people can get better if they talk. Yeah. honestly they do um but anyway so we uh where does that what does that bring us here um and you move let's see let's see hold on uh the progression was from so first you say okay you're showing yourself the the the set and setting i'm in medieval style kind of prison you forgot your phone how am i going to take pictures how am i going to record this experience how am i

going to take with me not evidence but how am i going to capture the lessons i'm about to learn in a way that I can reflect on them later. So there's a little bit, a little bit to it there of, you know, I would say in general, you know, if I don't have my phone, I feel like, what am I going to do when I'm bored is kind of how I would, because I don't take a lot of pictures. Not that you do, but the symbolism in my estimation of pictures is that idea of, you know, capturing the experience in a way that is useful.

So you actually, you realize that maybe I'm not as completely prepared for this experience as I should be. Um, so you leave to go find the tool you need to, to, to properly do the job, uh, to properly have the experience you're there to have. And immediately you get lost. And you end up in this old courtyard, um, where there's, uh, all the doors. And it's interesting. What stood out to me was the idea that it's nighttime, but there's moonlight. There's, this bright moonlight. And there's a lot of symbolism that goes with, with nighttime. Now, doing the dream dictionary thing, but things happening in the daylight or in bright light tend to, in the human experience, lean us in the direction of illumination, understanding.

Things that happen in the dark tend to be hidden, mysterious. So you've got this representation of an open space, a contained space that is lit, although it's dark. It's and then the idea of Indirect or limited lighting dim corridors one central light in the red room There's It's at this it's at once acknowledging the lack of information or mystery of what you're experiencing fuzzy edges in the shadows

But also directing your attention by by the nature of what the lights pointing at the spotlight that that hits you It's such that's now you're in the light now you're exposed say perhaps or that it's that it's revealing, not revealing, maybe some of these words are not the right words, but it's, we're heading in the right direction. If you, if you feel it, we're all over the place. And I'm not going chronologically at all here. But a door, so there's a bunch of doors that ended up being paintings.

They were the facade of a door. They were the appearance of the ability to move forward in different directions or the ability that something was locked, not ability, or the idea that something was locked behind them, but it was all a facade. It was all fake. There was really only one door. There was really only one way forward,

despite the apparent display of choices. So you go in that door and, and it's very interesting, too, that it was the door in the guard tower. Like underneath the guard tower was the door in there? Yeah, it was, well, it wasn't directly the guard tower. It was, it was, I turned a corner, I turned a corner because when I turned around from the classroom, I turned a corner that didn't

exist before. And that led me down the new corridor. Yeah. That's interesting with dreams too. Is a while we're having it, you're like, of course I turn a corner and I'm in a This just makes sense. Yeah. We have a distinct lack of surprise.

But also sometimes in dreams, it's like options sometimes don't appear until you go looking for them. And then they reveal themselves in a way. It's like considering a problem, you know, solutions are only achieved by going through the process of considering the problem in the search for solutions. Sometimes they don't just suggest themselves before you consider anything. Long story short on that. I was going to say maybe there was some relevance to the idea. You definitely have a tower, which is an overwatch. You've got a place where, say, people who would be in authority or in charge are able to get a better view. the circumstances. And I would think it would be very interesting if, if that, or I'd assumed, and I'm glad you clarified that the door that was a jar was like, well, you need to go into that mindset or space. You need to be the one, you need to be looking for the overview.

But maybe that wasn't what it was because the door was around another corner and it was a jar. And a door, a jar is like an invitation in a way. It's like, come on in. It's not locked. You're not, you're not prevented, but you have to open it. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Yeah, it's the idea of an invitation. And that this is the first place where you found the classrooms? Yeah. So, yeah, I'd gone. There was the door.

It was a jar. I went in and then there was, it was like a hallway, but it had dead end or it seemed like it. There was a series of doors. I didn't think it was a dead end until I started. I saw the classrooms. And then when I went to go through one of the doors at the end, I realized it was just painted onto the wall. that it didn't actually exist.

And I realized that all the doors there were pretty much painted on. And that's when I went to the classroom to say, like, where do I go? And no one, well, they, again, they weren't hostile. They just sort of, they just sort of didn't respond. And I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm going to get no help here. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, you've got a very interesting thing going on of, um, I don't know why in my mind, the idea of you made the um i start six sentences and i before i find the one i'm actually trying to say

you you made the connection earlier of of the public school system and factory jobs and how they're training for that there's also an analogy a lot of people make of the public schools to the prison prison system of how things are lined up like i saw a meme online the other day which is here's public school lunch here's a prison lunch and they were both on the same kind of tray with the same low quality food, a little, you know, eight ounce milk in a, in a cardboard carton. I mean, I was like, yeah, that's kind of, they have a cafeteria. They, you know, there's a lot of, you know, there's a rigid, there's rigid structures of obedience and different things like that.

So, um, what you didn't mention, sometimes I throw in counterfactuals is like you didn't, the prisoners were not rioting. They were, they were sitting in the classroom learning. So, yeah. Something to be said for that. There was a staff there, so there's a teacher or at least an authority figure who is meant to be sharing something with them. What I thought stood out to me was the idea that you didn't feel uncomfortable like you didn't look at that and go, oh, I belong in that room or, oh, shit, I was supposed to be teaching a class. You affirmed, well, I'm not a convict.

I'm not subject to suspicion. No one's going to look. I'm a tourist. I'm here to observe. I'm here to learn. I'm not actually a part of this. I'm observing it from the outside. saw the doors were just painted and you went back in to try to talk to them.

And it's interesting that you, what you got from them was not, um, it was not help, but it was also not hostility. It was, it was almost a playful silence. Uh, I think you know, playful silent stairs is what I wrote down. They're kind of smirky. What occurred to me is like someone who would look at you and say, you already know. You don't, yeah, you don't have to ask me. Don't.

Yeah, come on. Uh, it does that. that would have felt like of like yeah i would say so okay yeah yeah or or at least uh that what they were doing wasn't malicious the the the idea of keeping silent wasn't it was for a positive purpose it wasn't for a negative it wasn't to mislead you it wasn't to laugh at your confusion or pain or being lost it was more like uh it was it was mostly indifference mostly indifference okay fair enough yeah like it was playful but it was mostly indifference like It was just like, okay, this person's talking.

Yeah, this person's talking us, but we got to get back to work almost. Well, good. That's actually a different, I don't have time for this, but not in a mean way. You know, it would have been a different, what I was leaning towards was more of a, sometimes where someone sees you're right on the edge of an epiphany and they're like, you're almost there, you're almost there. And they're cheering you on, but they're staying silent because they don't want to ruin it for you. They don't want to give you the answer that you're about to get.

get on your own. That's what it felt like to me initially, but maybe not. Maybe it was more, you know, yeah, you're not my problem because you're a tourist and I'm here for the, for the convict. I'm here to teach the class maybe. So you're going to have to find your own way in, in essence. So maybe. Figure it out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So maybe part of what you're looking at is, you know, you're looking, you're on this tour for a reason. You're going to this place to see something, to experience something. And you've, you're just, you're observing. You're observing. elements of the location that maybe in this sense what you're showing you is this is not where I'm going to find the answer so I need to keep looking and you do and they're they're like

we're so far not even a part of you we're not even going to help you go look for what you're looking for we're doing our own thing and it's actually not relevant to you it's just part of the environment like well I'm not going to find the answer I'm looking for there you didn't go into the classroom and sit down you didn't start teaching you actually moved past it you're like you're actually asking them for directions of like where do I go how do I get out of here where how do I get back to the tour um and they actually don't give you this is an interesting thing too they're looking at you silently maybe mirthfully a little bit it's like you're on the tour this is the tour keep keep going keep you're fine that might be that might be part of it um

i'm rushing through all this stuff but i'm trying to give you as much as i can uh there's there's distinctive changes in environment too i made a medieval castle and then bam this is where you, now it's this kind of granite stone, like a dark black granite stone. Again, dim lighting. It's like more representations of, I'm not seeing clearly. The way forward is not obvious. But now there's more glass panes. There's another classroom. But it feels more like an advanced technical school. And there's a gal in there and she's playing violin. So there's a difference in quality of instruction moving up. You've got maybe like what you would teach teaching to someone's ability in a way. Like as you're moving away from, like I said, there's also this progression over time

of moving forward from the medieval to the modern. There's also an escalation of of teaching technique and the capacity of the learner. So maybe you would say those convicts in that classroom, they're learning the basics. And this gal, she has mastered the basics. Now she can do something like learn to play an instrument beautifully, learn to express herself more, master higher, higher level skills. Let's see. You said something about like,

it was as if observing a painting. I don't know if you could say a little bit about that just briefly. Yeah, just, um, it seemed like a still life. Like they weren't actually. Well, they, they had no recognition I was there. Like, just none.

Like I was making almost like eye contact with them. but there was just absolutely no recognition that I was even there. It was like they were just doing, it's almost like they're in their own little world. So what jumped out, jumps out to me from that is that, if they had something for you,

if finding that room and those people was what you were there to see, you would have an interaction with them. But instead you had the feeling of, okay, this is also happening, but this is not what I'm here to see either. The destination I'm headed is somewhere else.

Where are we going with that there? Keep moving down. This is the first time double doors appear. And there's, that is, I think, in the trend of the escalating, and not just moving forward in time, but quality, moving forward in quality. You've got this, and it opens into,

was this the way where the, was a ballroom? No, that was the lounge. That's, this is the lounge. Okay. Gotcha. So you're moving into it. an area of recreation, relaxation, socialization. And double doors are, it wasn't just a single door, ajar, which is an invitation.

It's double doors, which is you have to open them. They were shut. Yep. But when you do, they make a much wider opening. It's more welcoming, more easier passage. It's people can walk through the doorway together side by side. There's a lot of different things that the idea of a large. opening, a bigger portal to this area.

And you realized that you were in a military uniform. Was anyone else? I think the other people were in like a military uniform as well. Okay. Like it wasn't really recognizable. It wasn't like a specific country or anything like that. It's just a uniform that if you had seen a movie, be like, okay, yeah, that person's in like a military dress uniform type thing.

Sure. And if we had more time, we can get into, you know, the, descriptions of the nature of it, but sometimes it's okay to leave it as vague. Well, prior to this, there was no mention of I was dressed as, I was in blue jeans. I was wearing a cocktail dress. I didn't even recognize what I was wearing before that. It was until I turned. It became relevant.

Yeah. So now you're dressed similar to other people, but in a way that doesn't fit in. So there's a, this depiction of a social setting and you've got what else, what, uh, it turns out to be a hidden flaw. It's under the, and they're telling you, come on in. and reveal yourself. Come on in and take your jack, take your tunic off. And you're like, I can't let them see what I got going on under here because it's not regulation. I'm not like them. And I don't want to be exposed for being different, which is, which is what it, how it feels to me.

And it's something as simple. It says, it's a minor embarrassment. The shirt is just not the proper length. I'm just, just different enough that, but, but if I just kind of keep my facade on, or if I keep my game face on in a way, then people won't see that I don't fit in in this, social setting. And you find a socially acceptable way to, oh, darn, I got to go. I'm late for this tour. I'm here for a reason. I think, again, continuing the theme of, you realize that what you're looking for is not

in this room either. The answer to the puzzle, the purpose for the tour itself is you're considering all these different options of where to go and what to do. Now, why, this is something you might have to consider after the fact, but, you know, why was it not, you know, top hat entails a formal dress? Why was it military specifically? Why wasn't it California surfer, you know, shorts and a tank top? I mean, it could have been any representation, but for some reason, the idea of being improperly dressed. Now, maybe military, you know, because military has very rigid, there's, you know,

order, the right way, the wrong way and the army way. You just do it the army way. And but order and also like dictated order, the idea of there is a right and a wrong way to wear a shirt according to military regulations. Therefore, if you're not, you are out of order or you don't fit in the way other people do. So there's something, something in there of having this external judgment reflected back on you. like, well, I just, I, I, I'm not going to deal with that now. I'm going to leave that hidden. I'm going to pass sufficiently into the next area.

Where are we going here? Then music fades and there's another door and that door is open, open or partially open and you're seeing red radiating out from it? No, it's closed. It's similar to the double doors again. It's closed, but there's there's pain glass there and I can see through the glass and I can see the red through it. And that's what it tracks my eye that this must be the exit. Okay. And it does.

And so you go through and now it's a grand ballroom and everything is in red, the tables, the chairs, the decorations. There's one central light that illuminates the place and leaves the edges of the room in shadow, indistinct, unilluminated. And you get the impression

that the theme is love. And that's, number one, if you have to know something in your dream is exactly the same as to see something in your dream. So if you tell me,

I knew the theme of the room was love, that is equally real as saying, I saw a table and at the table was red. There's no distinction because none of this is happening. It's not a physical table. It's not a physical feeling, so to speak.

So knowing, so you're necessarily correct. We're going to, interrupt no no i just like like i just i can't emphasize enough like everything like the only thing the light really shone on that i could see was the red and it made it like a bright red but really nothing else the floor was barely even illuminated it was just the redness of all the decorations and the redness of all the tables and the and the streamers that go up from the tables like it was just like an extremely like if you've been to like a two thousand dollar a seat fundraiser that the theme was love or something like that.

Very, very fancy there. And again, moving up in class, so to speak, as well as moving forward in time. So you knew that sort of was. And it's a very obvious connection, too. We think, if I say love, what's the color you think of? Well, red like a heart, like a Valentine's Day heart. Very, very natural association. Someone who's never heard of that or associated that before,

but maybe have a different cultural understanding. I think that makes sense for us. And you, you had the feeling that you're showing up late, that you missed the event, that it used to be a room full of people, but they're gone now. Yep.

And I don't know if it makes a difference that it is to your left versus to your right that you see a bunch of glass doors that are almost like movie ticket booths. Well, they're like the, they're like the entrances you would have to like an old school movie theater. So they have the, their glass and you can see through them like you can like they're like they're up a small flight

of stairs and that and there's these pots and these fireworks you're shooting out which would never happen in real life it's non-sensual but in dreams things now the fireworks were shooting off inside the room or just outside the glass they were outside the room they were inside the room and they were shooting and they were shooting that's a fire hazard yeah and they were shooting like red um just red um like sparks out of them yeah that's a a great image that's great imagery I'm sure it means something specific but I'm trying again I'm trying to go give you as much as I can before you get to go um you move towards the doors so so there's a there's a you're on tour and you keep moving forward you're seeking seeking seeking it's this is

not what I'm looking for this is not what I'm this is not what I'm looking for um the the the doors indicate the way forward uh the sparklers and the fireworks may be like attention grabbing really look over here come this way and you get hit with a spotlight and you get asked you get singled out where you're going you'll miss the 8 p.m. heart dance. And then they berate you for being old. So there's what what came to my mind was and you can tell me if this is true. I mean, maybe you're considering, hey, I'm I'm as old as I am and I haven't found love yet. I mean, I don't know if you're we haven't talked about if you're you are married. Okay. So this is. No, I'm married and I'm married to a man. So. Okay. Fair enough. I don't know if that changes anything or not, but.

Well, certainly it would be a, it would mean something different. My, my thought was maybe you'd reach a certain age where like, God, you know, what's really important in life of all the experiences I've been through? Would it, is it? What am I trying to say? What I'm really lacking in life. I've got all the success and I just haven't found love yet. I was going, I was going there with that. But this is why I need to do these things in the moment.

Because imagine I had that idea a month ago because you already told me the dream and I couldn't confirm or deny it until now. Now we're looking at something completely different. This is not about looking for love. You've got it. And you're married. That also changes the nature of the kind of classy, sexy Jessica Rabbit Gal. You're not looking for your idealized. red-headed lover.

She has got to mean something else then. What she does is she commiserates with you and say, hey, that was immature of him. Whoever called you out, put you on the spot. That that's not a mature thing to do. That's not something we do. And then he walk away again.

So whatever she represents, I wish we had more time. This whole 1920s style-ish dress, Jessica Rabbit is she's very beautiful. And she's a, what am I trying to say? She's a commiserating figure. She's there. She's supportive of you. She's not there also to embarrass you.

She's someone you walk with. So whatever she represents is something you're taking with you from that experience. After finding out, yet again, this is not the room you're supposed to be in. This is not the place. It's not your final destination. You're still seeking, whatever it is. But that is where you found her or, as a result of that experience, whatever she represents is coming with you away from that.

But even my own reaction I thought was interesting, where I just basically said, well, it doesn't matter. Like, I just, I had no, like, it just the whole, it seemed annoying, I guess. Like, it just seemed annoying, not really hostile or anything like that. I'm like, doesn't really matter. Yeah, now generally, I mean, let's say it was me. I would look at that. And my understanding of that would be, I don't like to be put on the spot. I don't like to be singled out in an environment to have everybody looking at me.

Funny thing to say, I put myself on the internet. Well, no one else is here. I'm talking to you. They can all look at me, but I don't want to be in a crowd of people where all eyes turned to me and the spotlight's on me. And not only that, it's for embarrassing reasons. It's, oh, you're leaving too soon. That's a faux pa.

You're going to miss the purpose. But it could be more along the lines of explaining to yourself why this is not the destination you were looking for is, you know, there's going to be a dance, the heart day. And I'm like, well, I'm not here for the hard dance. I'm here for something else. So, like, it could have been it. And then what it is you're actually there for is, it's tied up with this gal in some way. That she's something going with you.

And there's a security guard with a gun. So the air, the way forward is guarded, but not in a way that. He doesn't challenge you. He doesn't stop you. He just stares at us as we walk by. There's just an icon of, of, of, you know, force or control or security, the idea of, you know, someone's there to keep, keep the pace, keep order.

And you're heading down a door towards the exit sign and your dog wakes you up. Fantastic. Yeah. So we're, yeah, we're headed down. We're headed down the hallway. I can see the exit sign. I can see, again, theme of glass. There's these doors, but there's, they're just glass now.

They're pure glass. And I can see the outside world out there. And the hallway we're going down is pretty fancy and that. But, um, yeah. and we're heading down there and whatever was meant to be at the end of that hallway, well, I'll never know. Maybe not.

And you might have gotten to the end of that hallway and walked through the door. And you know how in movies they do that sometimes where they open the door and what's behind it is pure white and what happens as the door opens is the entire screen goes white. Like you never actually see what's in there. I would have actually maybe expected that out of this dream. But instead, you know, the dog wakes you up. So you get a cut short and you're like, oh no, we denied the resolution. There may not have been a resolution.

but it would be interesting to see what there could have been at the end of that. Don't we do you? What? That probably would have said something in terms of what does it open up to? What what does it exit out to? Because I get a feeling that this, and it may not be the case, but this was like maybe the final door. You've actually found something there that you're bringing with you, something that is a supportive, not just commiserative, but commiseration is the wrong.

What is it's usually if something's negative. someone who's supportive, a positive aspect of something that you're bringing with you out of this experience. Because you were there for the tour, set up, set it up in your mind. I'm here to learn something. You're here to see something, observe something. And you go through all the things that are present, all things that are a part of the experience, but not the angle or element that you were looking for until you get to this place and you find this gal and she's coming with you. So I don't think I have more to say on what all of this means, but that that's the direction I would look to find, you know, what is it of value you're taking away from this experience? What is the experience?

Why did you need to see it? What is what is the positive value or benefit you're bringing out of it? What did you learn? What's the takeaway? That's kind of where I would look. I don't know if you have things to say immediately or you want to leave it there. Well, I do have a question. Is there any relevance to 8 p.m? Maybe. Maybe. We would probably need to get into, you know, what's your typical habits? What are your associations with, you know, 8 p.m. is definitely, in the summer.

There's light out in the winter. It's dark. So it's definitely nighttime. It's moving into the night. It wasn't 8 a.m. It wasn't 10 a.m. It's natural. The idea that a dance might take place in the evening, you know, after the, after the dinner and dancing,

that kind of thing. Um, but it dreams, dreams like to do metaphors, puns and stuff like that. So, um, heart dance can be a pun or metaphor for, you know, the, uh, negotiating a relationship with someone. Now, is it for you? I don't know, but that's what pops into my head, that kind of thing of what does it mean to, for the heart to dance? What does it mean for there to be a heart dance?

It wasn't an anger dance. It wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, you know, happy dance. It was specifically the heart. Now, is the heart the heart? Is it love? Is it, uh, what other, associations?

And again, if we had more time, uh, one thing, what I would do is, is, is I'd say, well, let's talk about that. What does, what does, what is heart mean to you? Why, why in the evening time? What does it mean to be at a dance? What is, uh, you know, do you dance? Like me, I'm not a dancer. Uh, I, I have two left feet, uh, and, and, and two left hands.

So I just, I don't know what to do. with myself. I can't move my body that way. So dancing for me would actually be like, oh no, that's a social experience where I'm about to be horribly embarrassed. And for you, it's going to mean something different. Or you may be similar. You're like, yeah, I don't dance either. Screw that.

I need, I need some drinks first. And then I don't care anymore. I need some, after a couple drinks, then maybe I'll start bopping in my chair. That's as far as I go. I don't, I don't get out of the dance floor. That's not happening. Not for me. So a lot of it's going to be personal.

It's going to be how do you feel about this type of experience. But I think the best we could do with the time we had. And still I ate up like another 30 minutes just feeding back to you and going through it myself, giving me some of my thoughts. I don't know if you have any other specific questions. No, it's it's, you know, like I said, it's just to me, I still feel like I like I kind of missed the point of the dream. Maybe that was the point of it because like I said. said, like you said, like I'm going through these areas. And by the time I get to what's kind of the final area, I feel like I've missed whatever, whatever was going on there. So maybe I

took, maybe I took too many, too much time, too many turns to get there. That could also be the point of it in a way. Now, there's, there's two separate things. One is your dog woke you up, you were heading somewhere. It was going to tell you the point. And maybe we would have had a little bit more of a resolution to this. The other side of it is, maybe the point is that you're, that you haven't found what you're looking for. There's something you're looking for that, and, and there's some benefit you found along the way that you're taking with you as well, which it, there's a lot of things in life.

Let's say I'm looking for something. Let's say there's, there's, um, I'm looking for a better understanding of dreams. Now, I've got a lot of understanding of dreams. And I've been through a lot of the process of, of learning about dreams and what they are and how they work and how to do the symbol symbolic interpretation. But there's a shining light on the hill that I'm heading towards, which is a better understanding. And I don't know if I'm ever going to get there. I may always be walking that path and I may get infinitely close like approaching the speed of light and then mass gets infinitely dense. I'm never going to get there.

But it's okay for me to say have a dream experience that shows me that truth, that you are on a path that you have been through a lot of experiences and that, yes, you still have not found what you're looking for, but you found some useful things along the way. You found something beneficial along the way that you're bringing with. Now, what is that? What is the experience you had historically? How have you moved forward to get where you're at right now? What have you brought with you and where are you going?

This seems to be wrapped up in a lot of those type of things. I don't know if you've been, and then this is where we would, if we had more time, really, we're already 15, 20 minutes over. I got to get you out of here. So I'm sorry. Oh, it's okay. Yeah, we're going to keep it tight. We're going to get it done.

If we had more time to talk, I'd say, well, when did this dream happen and what's going on in your, in your life, in the real world that might be related? So that's when we take the concept of this self-reflective, observational journey of the dream and say, well, where are you at in your life that you might be reflecting on where you came from, what you're doing now and where are you headed? You might be looking. Now, if I just throw that out there of like, have you been in, in a recent period of self-reflection and consideration of the future? Does that sound like a place you've been? Yeah, I would say, yeah, there's, I definitely, I've, you know, there's been some thoughts about even changing jobs and stuff like that. There's been some, there's been some talks about, you know, like I had the dream before I went to Israel at the, I did go on a trip to Israel at the end of the at the end of the month there.

So to do some kind of touristy things. So maybe that was it. I don't, I don't know. There's a lot of kind of medieval stone buildings there still surviving from back in the day. That's true. That's very true. Yeah.

So it could be wrapped up in that. There's a lot of good stuff. So hopefully what, at least what I've given you is some reflected understanding of what it appears from the outside and maybe a direction. to keep thinking in that might get you a better understanding down the road. But, I mean, we did what we could with the time that we got. And I got to get you out of here. Do you feel at least satisfied?

You don't have any additional questions for me? No, no additional questions right now. I, you know, just even just kind of talking about it and that and getting it out there and, you know, sussing out some more details and realizing some more themes. Like I didn't even think as much about the theme of glass. glass and looking through in the dream that I'd thought about before and just transitioning from place to place and the meaning and that. So no, there's definitely a lot to think about. Some of it, some of it may be a little bit deeper than others in that. And so I, I really appreciate this,

this experience. Gotcha. Right. And some of these things are super complex. And I feel, I always feel like I could have done more that I could have been better at what I did. But I hope it, you know, what I've done is is at least enough to, I want to give you, I would have wanted to give you more, but I think I may have given you everything I can in the time we got. No, I, and I, and I deeply appreciate it. Thank you. We're going to have a minute to talk just after we end the recording. Absolutely.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and do the, do the outro now and then we'll talk for a few minutes afterwards. So let me find all of my notes are out of order. One moment, please. No, I number them. That's why, and I save all these two. One day I'll go back and I'll write a book. Here's all the dreams I've ever interpreted. Okay.

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