Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 188: Nefertiti’s Fire

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Cesar Cardona ~ https://cesarcardona.com/

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of Dreamscapes. Today we have guest dreamer Caesar Cardana from L.A. California is a, whoa, I can't read my, I can never read my handwriting. It's chicken scratch. This is, it's like a secret code. I could like, here have my notes. No one can read it either. He's a public speaker and co-host on a new podcast that just came out this week or it'll be last week by the time this one here. Sorry. It is Beauty in the Break. And that, you know, it's a break is in snapping the spaghetti. But it doesn't have anything to do with spaghetti.

That image just came to my mind. This is a terrible introduction. We're doing it. You can find him at caesar cardona.com. We're going to get right back to him in two seconds. For my part, would you kindly like, share and subscribe, tell your friends, always looking for new dreamers. You don't have to be anybody special.

You don't have to have a podcast of your own. I do video game streams. Whoa, we lost him. I'm going while he comes back. I do video game streams Monday through Friday, 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. Pacific. Hey, he's coming back. It's all good. I'm still doing the introduction. This episode of dreamscapes brought to you in part by one of my 17 currently available works of historical dream literature. It is ABC Book 3 and it is entitled O'Neuro Chronology Volume 1, part of a three volume set, an anthology of shorter works of historical dream literature that I did.

not want to leave out of my catalog. So of course, you can find all this and more at Benjamin the Dream Wizard.com, including downloadable MP3s of this very podcast, an encyclopedia, lots of cool links to other. I've done interviews on other people's shows. They're on there on the media tab. And last but not least, if you'd head on over to Benjamin the Dream Wizard. Dot locals.com. That's where I'm trying to build a community free to join attached to my local account.

You don't even have to give me any money. It's one of the great ways to reach out and let me know you have a dream to share. So that is enough out of me. Caesar, we got you back. Thank you. Yes, I'm back. Can you hear me, by the way? I can hear you.

I see you. Everything's good. And you know, so what a lot of guests don't know. And I keep forgetting to tell them is that when I'm doing all that spiel, your rectangle on that side is covered with here's my book. Here's my web page. It shows those images. So they won't even see you were gone. They'll just, you know, they'll just hear the.

It's okay. It's okay. Okay. Well, thank you for coming back. Thank you for being here and offering us your time. I don't know where you want to start. Do you want to start with the podcast or go more chronologically, like how you get into public speaking and then how it became something else?

I don't know what you think is the most relevant or interesting thing to jump into. I'm not a good interviewer. I have no idea where to start with some of these things. Let's start from the spot of I'm having trouble hearing in my own self now all of a sudden. I don't know what's going on. Ever since I got dropped down and came back in, I can't hear a thing. Oh,

anything, actually. You can hear me, though, you said, right? I do. Yeah, yeah, you're coming through loud and clear. 1-2-1-2. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's so strange. You might have to go back into the audio settings and like,

oh, pick the right, you know, output again. I don't know. Some people, for some people, Discord's like, it's like a dream. They just, they hit one button and everything just flows magically. And other people, it's like, you have errors. And we don't know why. And it's just a weird, it's a weird thing.

I don't know. I can't hear a thing at all for some strange reason. Oh, no. Am I completely mute or it's just very soft? It's very soft and then I can't hear me whatsoever. With these headphones on on top of it. You should be able to. Yeah, while we do this.

Did I just disconnect and come back in? Can I do that? Try it again, yeah. What happens now? Testing, testing, can you hear me now? Two, one. I will end up taking. So strange.

taking some of this stuff out. About now. I do hear you and I see you. It's so strange. I go ahead. Suddenly your camera's slightly. Oh, no, no. It just de-blurred.

It was slightly blurry. I'm like, now, what is going on with that? But it's no, now, no, it's crisp and beautiful now. You know, I don't know what's going on here, but I can say that I can, I can, went out just now and I could hear myself coming through. I go back in. Now I can hear myself again. You know what?

I'm not going to waste any more time. Let's just go, because I'll just pull this back a little bit. I can listen to us. Okay. You are coming through loud and clear. The recording is going to be beautiful. If it's not going to mess with you too much, you can hear me, you can understand my questions. We can have a conversation.

It seems. I sure can. Okay. Good. No, well, that's good. We'll, fuck it. We'll do it live. We'll make it work.

Well said. Yeah. So you were going to, I was asking. The whole spiel on who I was and how I got here. Yeah. Kind of, and you were about to tell me where you wanted to start. What came to mine is a good jumping off point, so I'll shut up and listen. You know, I would say starting in a good spot would be first thing first.

Like you said, the beauty in the break is a new show that just came out. It is a show about resilience during tough times in the world. My partner, Foster Wilson, and I are telling these stories. She is a poet and a postpartum doula. I'm a public speaker. And we come from very opposite worlds. and we're sharing our personal stories about resilience and strength during the times that seem to be the worst for an individual. So please, if anybody's interested in that, right there.

But backtracking it from maybe the beginning, talking about her and I being so opposite. She went to college and she grew up in like her father is a psychologist. He's a renowned psychologist in OCD and anxiety, Reed Wilson. and he raised her in North Carolina, went to NYU, was acting and moved to New York and then California. I was from Jacksonville, Florida. I'm a black man, Spanish man.

I grew up in a very violent household, my two parents, one being my father, a New Yorker, a Spanish man, a publican, my mother, being a black woman from the South Democrat, they somehow managed to fall free, other for some time. I don't remember it. I wasn't there for it. And they had me. And I have no recollection of them getting along. I don't know how they got along for the two

years beforehand. But they did. And I find that both of those two sides live within me. And top of them being different, they were very aggressive. They were very full of anger and aggressiveness towards each other. So of course, I, pulled in that division and that aggression within my own self. By the time I was a teenager, I was out in crimes, committing crimes, I joined a gang. I was doing a lot of app in the world. I don't know if I could cuss in here or not, but I was causing a lot of nonsense. Okay, great.

I was causing a lot of shit in the world and not being healthy with myself, not being healthy to the world, right? Of course, from a Jungian standpoint, the individuation was very, was far down the road. There was no way that they could do anything that could happen yet, right? Now's only a shadow, I suppose. But that is even possible. So at some point, I was able to vibe all of that. And fights, shootouts, robberies, police, swan, and so forth. And leave with a clean record.

And for the most part, physically unscathed, excuse me. And it's all in the East Coast. I isolated myself for a long time. for that I went and picked up some instruments. I couldn't go out the street too much because there was so much stuff going on in the nearby. So I stayed home, played the instrument, learned guitar, learned how to sing, and I learned how to song write. And then until time comes that I was able to a job, I was 18, I found myself a job at an office and just kind of like stabilize myself a bit.

at the job. Two years later, I bought a house at 20 in Jacksonville, Florida. Even though the external world wasn't, the external world wasn't harmful or scary anymore or dangerous, the internal world of my life was still dark. I still had not dealt with the stuff I grew up with the trauma, the violence, the aggression, the division, the isolation. I didn't deal with any of that stuff.

By the way, not here to blame my parents, whatsoever. I just understand the cause of it. The blame them is going to bring anger in my body. I'm not here for that. I love them. I respect them both. My mother and I get along super well on top of that. My father and I, we are very cordial and very friendly and loving to each other for different people and perspective of life, but still, at no point am I holding a blame towards any of them. That being said, though, you can still find the cause psychologically, why I am the way and what habits were being shown to me,

inadvertently, by their actions. So from there, that's when drinking and substances start to kick in and show up. Because I wasn't getting the help, I wasn't looking at my own self. And I was because I was super isolated. And this is just a me thing. I'm not putting this on anybody else, but because I felt alone in the world, I therefore projected it out into the mystery of the world

and assumed that I was alone there too. So I was a very strict and devout, even. Atheist. A very materialistic reductionist base atheist. Again, that's me. I've seen atheism appeal and bring the best out of some people. I'm talking about me. It didn't work for me. I'm goes.

I move over to Los Angeles. I drove 3,000 miles to the West Coast. I didn't know anybody. I've ever been here before. Slept in my car for about two weeks. Go over around. Look for apartments. It realized pretty quickly how fast this city moves.

So I had to make some modifications. to find a place if I needed to. But in the meantime, I was out to bars and meeting people. And I started meeting women. And as women would be like, oh, you can stay with me for a couple of days. I help you find a place. And I was just found ways to pay them back in particular ways. And at some point, I got to finding a place in a certain part of the valley.

And this woman that I've been staying with for a little bit, she's fantastic and we're still good friends now. he found a place for me he goes you might want to try this I go to this place I walk in there it's a great apartment it's just it's just one room for rent these two guys

just married a couple they so then they had a spare room and a condo and I walk in and they're I'm a big Beethoven fan and they had a bust of Bach

and I was like oh great this might be this might be the place right the quote David Byrne this could be the place and so So I move in there. This is 2014.

I moved my stuff in, which by the way, was everything I could fit in a 2010 Hyundai Santa Fe. A crossover. It doesn't know what kind of car that is. Move in, walk out to the main street. I look on the main road. I see this restaurant, this kind of diner-style restaurant in the valley. Look at it and I go, I'm going to go get myself a job there.

I walk in, order some food. The manager asked me if he's hiring as he might be. I gave him my resume. I kept going in there. I kept talking to him. They hired me. Their job. And I spent my life trying to figure out everything here with not knowing anybody. Eventually, fast forward to me being a boxing trainer for about eight to nine years, which I still am at a degree now, but public speaking is my job. And long story made short. This is technically the short version. version. Yeah. There is, there is, there was a lot of the substances in the drinking and the,

manizing and the sleeping around and the, not even as woman. I was just, just parmiscuity regardless of gender, just being all over the place, the unhealthy sense. And also, again, participating in the escapism of substances and alcohol and so on, so forth, whatever can keep me away from my own self, right? until finally it all comes crashing. Point, all those versions of yourself energetically. It's almost like they get together and say,

oh, you're trying to take him down too, right? Oh, great, great. I got a guy who's doing the same thing. Let's all meet up together. Let's build this thing and let's take this guy out. And it happened. I was in this just terrible, terrible, terrible accident. And it made me really look at the actions of my life.

What's that phrase that? Young says the darkness is made light or made to the darkness of the subconscious is made light people recall their mistakes fate or something along those lines I'm using the quote wrong but yeah I'm terrible with quotes too but I actually wrote down something something very similar too is that like you were saying and I was all shadow at the time it's like not exactly we're both because the shadows there it's it's uh yeah I drew a yin yang literally on the paper because I wanted to get to that too like a balance of opposites I love that stuff thank you uh but One of the things he's most famous for saying is, you know, until you confront the shadow and integrate it, it has an effect on your life.

And as you were saying, people look at that as, I guess there was nothing I could do to change it. Look at it like fate. Absolutely. Because it is exerting influence, but it's a hidden influence because we haven't chosen to look because it's uncomfortable and painful and it's a lot of work to integrate. You just got to realize you're, you know, a complex system physically and psychologically and emotionally and all these things too. There's so many inputs. A lot of great things you said too about, I don't know, we're like temporarily pausing your story to like have a conversation about it. But then we'll get back to like, how did you meet your podcast partner, that kind of thing too.

But some of the thoughts that's you, again, like I was telling you a minute ago that I cut out or whatever, I just ramble when people bring me. me a dream. I ramble my thoughts and I have that explosion of the, you know, the word cloud association word cloud. That happens to. Okay. Let me stop there. Now I'm explaining my process, which let me just do the process. Uh, welcome my brain. Um, there's a, we go from being little children where our parents are godlike beings. They can do things we have no comprehension of. They have total control of our lives. They're like there's, you know, but then growing up is the, is the process of realizing, Oh, shit, my parents are only human too. And I'm human.

And they made mistakes and I'll probably make mistakes. And maybe I don't want to be too hard on them. Now, there's limits to that. Like if you're, you know, one particular parent was just malicious and cruel and abusive, you can hang on to, yeah, I don't like them. And they're not sorry. And I don't want them in my life. But if it's like just normal human mistakes,

that maybe they didn't have the, ability to or the motivation, who knows, to fix themselves before they had you. You're going to, and then, what is it? There's the biblical quote of like, the sins of the father will be visited upon the child. A lot of people look at that as, you know, God is commanded that, you know, to punish the innocent. It's like, no, if your dad's kind of a fuck up, your life's going to be messed up. It's just how it is.

It's like, you know, it's not a punishment exactly. It's like the cause and effect. So, but, you know, part of what is. Is it a, we get resentful in our teens. I think of like going, who are these people running my life? They're not gods. I thought they were. But I've shattered that illusion.

Now I have to start learning to see them as human, which means it's complicated. And then you've got to get around to, you know, can I forgive them for their mistakes? And then can I forgive myself? A lot of that is built. So a lot of times if you can't forgive your parents, you hang on to your, a lot of that blame and self-doubt and stuff lives with you too. Not always. You can forgive your parents and not forgive yourself, too. There's also, I'm not as good as they were this.

That happens sometimes. But, but then also, as you were saying, your chosen lifestyle. And part of it was to not do the soul searching, maybe. You know, you're living a bit too much in the fast and loose and lived for the moment of the day and not planning for the future as much and maybe drinking too much and maybe sleeping around too much and all these things where it's like, then you have those moment where it's like all of those things come to a head. That made me think too.

It's like it's not that any one particular thing tripped you up. It's when you get them all together and you get that synergistic effect. But there are even still some people who they will have that horrible accident and they'll go, would my fault. I didn't do it. It just happened. I mean, shit happens, man. And they just don't change a damn thing.

They can't connect the dots in their own mind. But you did. I think that makes the, it makes a huge difference in, well, can you become a better person? Are you willing to try? You're willing to look at that and connect those dots and put those pieces together. So all that's all the stuff I was thinking while you were talking. I'm like, I better write this down.

I'm not going to remember half of this. Oh, but well, just maybe the last last thing too is that what made me write down the yin yang is that you said you had like kind of a, um, was it a Republican father, Democrat mother. Um, and there's an interesting thing like people who are just coming into political awareness now. And this show isn't about politics. We're just touching on it briefly.

But they look at the current dynamic as if that is the way it's always been. And what we have right now is I don't know if you've seen the two bell curves for Republican and Democrat. And they used to overlap a lot more. And they've spread further apart. Both have moved closer, you know, further from the middle. So it used to be in this country for decades. You could have a Republican dad and dad.

Democrat mom and he would say, oh, we should cut taxes. And she says, oh, no, we need to take care of the poor. And they loved each other, but they had all these cultural things in common that were, you know, politics was like 2% of their life. And they're like, isn't that big deal. Whatever. So we vote differently. And we argue about it over, over dinner sometimes.

Now it's like enemies. Now it's like if you're, you know, if you voted for one guy for president right now, and another person didn't, sometimes it's like a blood feud. Like they hate each other. I'm like, I don't think it has to be like. that, but I don't know how to bring it back. But it's not surprising to me to say 20 years ago or 30, 40, whenever. It was more common to see that that you could. And for, where was I going? Why did I write down the yin yang too? Is that those in my mind represent two halves of a necessary

hole. You've got the left wing trends towards chaotic, creative energy. It's the, it's the breaking down of the old and the introduction of the new. And we need that. You need, change to be possible. It's not a bad, it's not a bad, chaos is not necessarily bad thing. Neither is order. The right, right tends towards orderly structure, et cetera. It is, it is progress and tradition. And we can't, you can't have all of one or the other. Absolute chaos is a mess. Rigid order is stultifying and you will, both are death in the extreme. So what you want is that balance of we keep the things at work and we look for opportunities to improve it. I think we need to get back to that of looking at our counterparts left and right as partners in creating the properly balanced whole.

I don't know how to do that, but I think that's what we, I think anyone who's a aspiring to wizardry needs to see it that, say it that way. You can't be, you know, hardcore left or right to the extreme. Neither one is functional. So that was my rant on that. I'll turn it back over to you. You had more of a story to tell. And maybe any thoughts on what I'm said. Sorry.

Appreciate you sharing that. Yeah, there's about a handful of things I could say there. First thing first, and I'll just work it backwards. Sure. Where you started, I'll back into it. Is that there is, first thing first, without question the two extreme sides you can find be in extreme in themselves. And then at some point, you keep seeing the bell curve or the opposite ends of the radius. Some capacity starts turning into this horseshoe phenomena.

where sometimes the so far extreme with one side overlaps these so far extreme to the other side. We have these people who vote of Bernie Sanders, are already for Donald Trump. And like you find these very peculiar. And that's, that's, that's, that lets me know that the cycle always continues and always turns over. That too. Because you're going to find that there's the 60s where people, there was bloodshed for the site for the differences of belief systems. It's true. It does.

It's cyclical. And so like, and what, what I find the most. in that cycle, in that circle itself is also the yin and yang that you're drawing. It is those two fishes are within a circle. That's the point of this. Everything we do comes in cycles. Don't we? We start the hour is in cycles.

The day is inside. The week, the year, the month, the year, the seasons, your life goes in cycles. You'll find the certain revelations. Constantly. And at the moment that we can start to race. recognize that a little closer we'll get to being a little excited. And if I may say, a lot of me is not even surprised that we've gotten to this stage here.

Why? Because diversity is growing. Why? Because we're being more aware of the diversity as well, because of globalization and technology. Remember that show The Real World? We put seven different people from different walks of life in one place. What was the first thing they did? they fought. Yeah.

It did not get along because everyone was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, how I live my life is a certain way. How you lived yours? Why is this butting it until eventually they found some sort of coexisting common ground. This is the first three episodes, if we're speaking metaphorically of globalization of social media and seeing all of these differences in the world. My key or my thing is as a person is the moment, and those two sides do matter a lot, those two sides.

The practicality. Justice and mercy. Both of them are accurate in their own perspective ways, right? You need justice for crime. Somebody does something atrocious. Yeah, they should get some sort of cause and effect. Now, what if that person happens to be stealing

because they're a mother of six or something? Okay, we'll be a little lighter on them. That's mercy and justice. Both of those sides are necessary cases, right? We just happen to be in this, we live in this time where the throttling from one side from to the other is just it's just being thrown by like

like Roger Clemens or like what's the what's the other picture from Randy Johnson like it's just being this whip from one side to the other right oh yeah and and and those two sides live within me every day this is I give a talk on this actually

very often I'm giving a talk on this week that I'm going a little more personal I'll bring it right back to where we were going. Where I was originally was going is that I have these two sides that live within me every single day. Now, in my mind and what I want for the world, someone asked me like, snap your fingers, this will happen. I am so far liberal. Way, way, way, way, way, left wing, because more people over profit and so on and so.

But I got to recognize that I live in a world here where I have to meet people where they are. Are out in the world, there is a conversation to be had of, hey, don't forget, the other side is just as needed. What of who I'm talking to, right? One of my better friends who I adore is a right-wing, airsy theorist, fat earther. I don't side with any of those things. And I tell you what, at any given moment I call him, I need help. He will be there. Any given moment he calls me, I will be there.

And every time we see each other, it's a hug, and we get along fantastically. again because again there's a necessity not necessarily for the details of what he

for the approach of his life and those two sides that have to some some way to stand in the eye of the Venn diagram

I'm not saying you got to agree with the person to understand somebody doesn't necessarily mean you have to be with it

I live with those two different versions in me everything but when I go out into the world have to find that

and I've So my life it was really challenging because of all that trauma and all that that shit I was going into by hurting people and being hurt and doing everything I can to not sense not to not individuate to go back to the long phase and then at some point when it all came crashing when they all came together because like everything in the world it's an amalgamation of a lot of small things As soon as that happened, I was in an accident. I came out of the accident and I started looking at life and trying to think, like, who am I? What is going on? And I stumbled to stumble. I walked in myself into a Buddhist temple and I'm spreading a lot of parts out here for the sake of important parts of the story.

Walk into this Buddhist temple as an atheist. There's no desire for spiritual religion and any of that whatsoever. walk myself in there, sit down, to meditate. And I heard someone speaking about a public figure that I do not care about. Especially back then, the man started speaking about this public figure. And I thought to myself, about, we're all going to just join in here. That man and that put his timid thinking about the celebrity. Let's, I don't want to say who it is, but let's just say he's talking about.

He goes, Chad, there must be. My first real experience, somebody in my life, by the way, my first real experience of looking at someone who doesn't like another person, and instead of thinking of how many ways they can bring them, he just looked at them and said, where are they hurting? I'm 20 at the time, 20 years old. I'd never seen someone. at least maybe I wasn't paying attention

I'd never recognized someone look at individual and in compassion instead of um aggression instead of violence instead of your side myself

I saw that and then I thought okay I don't know how long I'll be in this thing but I can get something at I'm a Buddhist now for six years so but through that time I also found Joseph Campbell

Oh, yeah. I found Joseph Campbell. Everything changed. Me, Buddhism was like, this was like the, you know, the remodeling TV shows where like someone comes in the house and it's like, oh, girl, this house is a mess and they get all crazy, you know?

Buddhism was like that. But, you know, metaphorically comes into the living space in my mind and my essence, consciousness, and started taking away the stuff that was just, just input in the house before I even got there. This needs to go. This needs to go.

This is not helpful. This is not. This is harming you, so on and so forth. It got rid of all these things. It didn't necessarily give me anything. It showed me how to get rid of a lot. I think it gave me was a method to get rid of the things, right? Yeah, yeah.

And like, for example, the word nirvana, it's Sanskrit. It means to extinguish, to put out. And like putting out a fire, the suffering, the flaming, the burnings. And me as a person who live very promiscuity, I had a couple of burningsons. So when I got to Buddhism, it Nirvana means to extinguish. But that's an implication that the bliss that they're talking about isn't a destination. It's a removal of a lot. It's a relief of things.

It means that where you are is waiting for you. That peeled it away from me. And then I found those again. And that gave me an activity. of well now that the home is empty how do I decorate and then in comes interior decorator Campbell he's like this is how you do it you know and and and and and he just gave me this that's this oh my goodness just recognizing the the the totality the unifiedness of the thread that connects us all in every which way from storytelling to myth to religion to

of folk tale to movies, to technology, and so on and so forth. And I started seeing that in the world. It also opened me up to, and this is a great thing about Buddhism also. None of us Buddhists care if you want to go practice and read other stuff. Go read the other stuff. Have a great time. So I could read the Upanishads. I could read all the old religions that I had pushed away because I was seeing it in a different light by way of Joseph Campbell.

Oh, yeah. And it just rocked me open. And I just was like, how have I, like, how did I miss this? The key was in my pocket. I pulled this key out and I utilized, open this door and the entire universe is here for me to see. And I go walk. And then I go, and I was an actor at the time. I went to the Beverly Hills Playhouse in Las Vegas.

Finish this play and this woman walks up to me and says, do you know what Joseph Campbell is? I go, yeah, I do actually. She goes, I am going to a Joseph Campbell roundtable if you're interested. It's in Encino. which is a city over from where I live. I live in Sherman Oaks. And I go, yeah, sure, I'd love to go. Ask forward to me going to this roundtable

up a year's later because the pandemic happened, but they brought it back once it came to the pandemic was, you know, the quarantine was over. Go to this roundtable. I get a notice that this is going on. I'm preparing myself to go because I'm stoked for this, right? The speaker, his name is Rebecca Armstrong. She is a teacher.

taught at University of Illinois. She's a bunch of classes there, and she is also a storyteller on her own. What's more, and what's most important, in my opinion, for the sake of this story, is that the last two decades of Joseph Campbell's life, she knew him. Wow. Personally, he would go on lectures and stay at her family's house with her. He was younger. She's a teenager in teens and early 20s.

And when he would tour in that area and be there for a week or so, he would go and be there for a week or so, he would. would stay at their home. So they would have breakfast together and all this stuff, you know. I'm walking in there and I'm like, this lady knew the man, you know, from 19, I think, 72, till he passed away in 87. He gives her talk. It's a fantastic talk. She's full of life.

She's got that very, like, like that, that, go see the old woman in the forest, the old witch in the forest, the Oracle, right? You know, Neo go see the Oracle somewhere far away. She's got that vibe She's full of life And she's just like vital And so on and so forth She gives this great talk

And then she says Does anybody have any questions The person raises his hand He gives a compliment Other person raises her hand She asks a question They have a bit of a back and forth And then I raise my hand

And I say you know Something you said about the thread Reminds me of And I start going into what the thread means Go through Theseus and the menator And then I go through the the fates, right, with the threat that comes out and the fact that we thread in every mythological story

that we have, right? And in regular, excuse me, in this current stage of life that we have also in the quantum field, understanding what protons and neutrons all break down to or something called string theory, right? We are connected here in this conversation over the internet.

We have Indra's net, and it goes on and on and on. The word of Theseus and the minotephyus and the minot, tour of the threat that Ariadne gives him is called the clue. I named my and Caesar and the clue. And I say this to her to say that the thread is what connects us all together. And she goes, stop right there. He says, do you all see what he just did? This is the part of me.

I'm bragging on myself and I'm not much of a bragger for my own self, but this is something that I will stand with forever. He goes, this man took the metaphor, saw it as many places as possible, recognized his symbolism, applied it to his self and then applied it to the rest of the world. That's genius. You, sir, be standing here next. I was not a public speaker at the time. So that means that when she said it to me, I'm already fucking sweating bullets, right?

She turns over to the host, and she points back to me and says, this is your next speaker. And after the talk, she gives me her phone number, and we start to connect. And she mentors me on public. She lives in the Midwest. I live in L.A. So she couldn't help me with any connections around here in particular. but help me guide and carve out how and what I can speak about and who I am. And when I went out to try to find speaking jobs,

I mean, because in LA, you've got to have, you know, something to show for yourself already. Have any of that. I'm not a public speaker. Connections are a portfolio that wows them. Something right. And I totally see why. I understand why there's a trust thing.

There's a whole bunch of stuff. It makes sense why it's that way. However, not a person, especially now. that's going to wait on anybody else. So I rented a event space, not too far from where I live, rented it for two hours, invited about 30 of my friends, built a talk that I wanted to talk about. My girlfriend, my partner, she was a film director for a while.

So she shot it from camera, B, camera, like a TED talk. I bought a mic, think that together, gave the talk, then chopped it up and then shared it and promoted it out to places via email as if I had been giving a talk already. That was June of this last year. I first speaking gig was in September. I have, this Sunday will be my 14th speaking job. Very nice.

I went through the entirety of my life here just now to say a handful of things. One, to introduce myself, obviously. To give you a metric, a fuck ton of information because I can feel you already like, holding on to like five pens because you want to go in there right? I totally get it. I get it. I get it. And then three, what's more is to say that

like Beethoven to go back to him. In the same manner in which Beethoven to Halligandstadt like the letters to his brothers because he was thinking about killing himself. The darkest of his days, he still participated and went through that darkness in it.

Didn't know he had a belief that there was something waiting for him on the other side. In the same manner for my life, I have put this tattoo on my wrist of this E-flat major C minor signature, which is the symphony that Beethoven wrote during that time. Remind my, I was on the other side of any darkness, and I'm saying this now directly to you listening, whoever is listening. The other side of the darkness awaits the best version of yourself.

and as a man who grew up in a horrible sad childhood who grew up in a horrible teenage years of just stress and misery and anger who was in a terrible accident in his 20s who found a way to himself, I don't deserve any of this, I should be dead to be I should kill myself ability to still participate in that darkness

got me to this side here say with complete 100% authenticity with absolutely worth every dark moment I've gotten to this idea. Oh yeah. That's great stuff. A very long way of saying all that. Yeah, yeah.

No, no. I think it's a valuable lesson too because, well, speaking of storytelling, and this is a theme that comes up over and over again. There is no gold without the dragon. The dragon hoards the gold. That's the idea that, The struggle you have to overcome contains the benefit.

And you've got to go into the dark forest to find the dragon to get the gold to bring it back. And that hero's journey type of thing is, I think we've got a curse in modernity where we know so much and it's all so meaningless in a lot of way. What do what do I mean by that? It's like people have forgotten these old lessons. It's like our lives are so comfortable that we forget that struggle is the way. And I don't mean What am I trying to say? I don't mean looking for trouble

What I mean is that In order to get something You got to go and get it You got to do something We don't have things We're a little too complacent We're not things dropped in a lot And a lot of it is perspective

It's like so I think if more If it was more commonly known That there is a cycle And that That It's normal to have cloudy vision and fear in the dark forest, that these are not signs that something's wrong. It's like, that's what it means to travel through that space, you know, physically,

mentally, and that there will be, you know, in some ways, anything worth having is worth, requires struggle, requires fighting for, requires effort invested to create, to cause it to happen. I think if more people had that perspective, they'd feel. better about their lives. They're like, this stuff I'm going through is not abnormal. This is actually perfectly normal. This is the human condition. So you don't have to feel like, you don't have to try to escape it in the way you can embrace it and say, here we go again. This is a thing. I'm going into the dark forest again and probably, you know, damn it, I got to slay another dragon. Fuck. And, but at least you know what you're doing and you know, you know, why and

you know that it's worthwhile. Uh, and then picking, picking the right. Forest. Picking the right challenge to encounter making sure the dragon isn't so big that you it just eats you I mean a lot of people do that that will set our expectations too high For those kind of this is so many fantastic metaphors and I love the I love the Greek stories too there's a book series I want to get around to writing after I'm done with a few more dream books and it'll be a Wizard's guide to X Y and Z I'm gonna start with a wizard's guide to Aesop's fables Around the same same time for out of this. Wow, fantastic I love that love that those stories.

I was going to say the thing that I was going to say the thing for you talking about of like, here I go again. I was like, there's my next tattoo is going to be the phrase Hicksaltus. The actual like leap here, jump here. You know that A's up fable where the guy's talking about he like jumped from one island to the next and the next and the next guy's island and so on and so forth. And then the other man says, well, here is another leap. Jump here.

Which is to say, right, when you feel like you can't go anymore, this is your leap. This is your jump. It's from an A self. Well, okay, two things. I have a terrible memory, so I might have read that story and forgotten about it. But what I found in researching for this book is that I'm like, okay, let me look up Asap's fables. And when you look into it, there's some 350, like a bunch of them.

And a lot of them have been scholars say, who knows, added later and attributed Asap that weren't part of this. So what is actually an Asap's fable? Is it a category of stories that fit the theme or are they the stories? actually written by was there even actually literally an ASOP they think bit there probably was that's i'm like wow i've no idea i was just like you know the the the the the the the donkey that went into the house because he was jealous of the monkey getting all the attention and he tried to dance like the monkey and he just destroyed the house it's like if you're a donkey don't try to be a monkey

but you that kind of a lesson you know i said but be understand what you are and work with your strengths uh well then that's the kind of thing i want to do well okay all of that to say i'm so side trackable. I want to do a wizard's guide to the Greek mythology as well and like get into those and I'm planning on it being kind of a, you know, we used to have bathroom books where it was like it should be a two-minute read because you're probably going to get hemorrhoids. He said they're too long and push. So it should be on one page, the story and on the facing page, a brief psychological explanation. What does it mean the fox and the sour grapes? Why, why did the fox say that and what does it mean about the human condition? So anyway, that's a

That's a plan. That's very beautiful. Thank you. That's what I'm trying to bring. Do me favor. I don't know when that's going to be. Sorry to cut you off, my man. But as soon as whenever that, whenever that happens, please, I would love it if you let me know.

I'll keep, I'll keep your contact information. My memory's terrible, but I will try it. It's probably a few years off because I'm very slow getting around. I've got about 17 dream books right now and I've got about four or five more. I want to throw in there. And then I think I'm done with that just for now. then I should probably look into more modern research, things published after, and then write a more original work on, okay, a wizard's guide to dream interpretation. I'm going to get around to that eventually, but probably practice with the other ones.

That's it, too. It's about picky. Like, I'm most confident with the Aesop stories because I've been a big fan all my life, and I know many of them by heart, not all of them, of course, rereading it was fast. I'm like, I forgot about the story of the, you know, the Eagles of them, never mind. pick a dragon you can slay pick a small one so I'll start with that book and work my way Greek mythology probably most coach and then eventually you think I would start with the dream interpretation thing but I have no idea really how I do what I do that I'm watching myself do a thing intuitively that just seems to flow naturally and that doesn't make such a great book you know step one be a wizard go ahead do it like okay well what's that mean how do you do that I don't know.

I don't know yet. I think I'm going to figure it out at some point. So that's actually a more difficult struggle for me is figuring out how to explain what I do. I have no idea. Hopefully, I keep all these notes and hopefully someday I'll be able to go back through and go, I see how my process developed. I see as it revealed itself in a way.

This is kind of how I roll. Sure. You eventually find those patterns. You can find them. And you have all of this backstock. So I'm sure you can find that. I think it's going to happen. That would be surprised if you didn't,

right? I don't think I'm going to wait until I have actually had a thousand interviews, because that may take another 10 years. So we'll see. And this one, she's got to, you got to move, baby.

It's time to do the thing. Her name is actually baby. When we first brought her home and she was tiny, our niece, my wife and I, she was about three years old. And she was a big fan of Justin Bieber. And so when she saw this cat,

she said, Oh, baby. Like, because she loved that song. Baby, oh, and she would sing, oh, sing along with it badly. That's so adorable. So her name is actually baby, baby girl. Wow. Come on.

You got to move. Okay. Because we're, I just looked at the clock. We've got plenty of time, but I think we should probably transition to the dream thing. We'll get that. Do it. Get that going. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What do we got here? We put, uh, I got smart. It took me. over a year or more to realize I should probably put time stamps on these so I can go back and find yeah reinventing the wheel I would help yeah sure I think that would help right so as as per my usual process I'm going to shut up and listen our friend Caesar is going to tell us his dream from beginning to end kind of like a narrative whatever you got is fine and then we'll we'll talk about it and see see what we can do so I'm ready when you are

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available on Amazon, documenting the wisdom and wonder of exploration into the world of dreams over the past 2,000 years. That's Benjamin the Dream Wizard on YouTube and at Benjamin the Dream Wizard.com. Fantastic. So first thing first, I journal majority of my dreams. And this one is from December 16th, 20203. Very interesting about this date. And I put in the notes when I type this out is that one, it is the day I walked into that Buddhist temple, as mentioned before. Which is very interesting. And two, December 16th is also Beethoven's birthday. Big fan of Jung and you seem to be too. Synchronicity, man.

All those things are life. Oh my gosh. What? What? And a lot of times what you want to do with that is, don't try to understand it. Just feel it. Just let it be what it is and go,

this is meant to be. I think it's where a lot of people get meant to be from. And then, but that implies purpose, which is true in that thing. Anyway. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Participate in the mystery. get as much as you can, but as soon as you start seeing a little bit of glimmer of like any sort of feeling of like absolute certainty about it, no, no, no, no, out, out, out, out, back away, back, way back. This feels pretty good.

I'm going to go ahead and stick with this. I'm going to keep the gauge as going and remember that the mystery is much greater than anything I could ever try to fathom and lean into that. That's why I think the world is full of more magic than people realize. I'm trying to bring it back.

Great, great. There's a third. synchronicity with this, but I'll tell it to you after there because the sake of the story is more important. So, very short story here. I was walking behind a woman. She was walking on the street. There were no cars coming. Or she was walking on the other side of the road, which would be against traffic. She was free and happy as she walked. she had a long white dress with black and blue outlines of flowers the dress was fully white

and they were just the outline of roses and hybiscous shapes in yellow um excuse me in black and blue lines her hair was all the way up like nephritidy had that same like um kind of rectangular upward with the flat and the top of it

and the top of it and the top of it top of her hair is on fire that she had lit it fire on purpose. So it was, you know, it wasn't scorching on fire, but it was just like, just, you know, the same way of fire, a light fireplace at a restaurant would be there, right? And to her left, since she was on the opposite side of the street, to her left was a row of bushes like long but there were endless bushes

and they were very manicured bushes but really well done manicured bushes and on the other side of that to the left of those bushes there was a sidewalk sidewalk had people on bicycles they were walking and whatnot but they all were going now

oh I'm noticing the details of all this is daytime. We okay on speech? Should I slow down? I think I'm caught up. Okay, great. I fell a little behind trying to find my own.

We're just trying to follow along. But I appreciate you asking. Yeah, of course, of course. So she's on the side of oncoming traffic, so to speak. And to her left is a bunch of bushes. And then a sidewalk, people bicycling and, walking and then you said that's all I said

then I wrote down daytime and then we stopped so oh right thank you yeah yeah yes it was bright it was completely daytime I was very bright outside it was very warm outside and as she was walking on that street her arms were like waving up in the air kind of dancing in the manner in which the fire

was kind of dancing on her head and she had a dance in her walk It was a very free way about going. Her arms were free. Her walk was free. She was flowing free. And she's almost skipping at some capacity.

Just that very free flow dance, singing, music video, feel like, you know, I'm walking on sunshine, whoa, whoa, kind of thing, right? I'm following her. I'm about, I'd say about 10 feet behind her. I'm just following her as she's going. All the rest of life is going seems to be the opposite way. she's going this other way. And the entire time she's dancing and singing, she is singing, she's dancing and moving,

she's singing this line. The line is, Don't be so surprised when your dreams they come true because my love's gonna make it all worth it. Doing that over and over again. Don't be so surprised when your dreams they come true. because my love's gonna make it all worth it. And that is the dream.

I woke up morning, put this dream down, memorized the melody, wrote a song about it, and released it maybe about a month or so later, a little longer than a month or so, which is now available everywhere on Apple Music and Spotify and so on and so forth.

What is the title of the song so people can look it up if they... Yeah, so it's Caesar, C-E-S-A-R, and the Clue, C-L-E-W. you is the band name. And the music, the song is don't be so surprised. Okay. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go listen to it.

The third synchronicity of it is that the very next day I matched and met my partner that I'm. Wow. You hit a grand conjunction, like an alignment of the stars. There are moments in life. Yeah, yeah. There are moments in life that happen like that where. So, you know, just like.

just like the crash you had, the accident, whatever, however you, whatever the word, it doesn't matter, was not the cause of any single thing, but a conjunction of a collection of negative habits. The same thing happens with positive habits. You'd get enough. And it's, it's, it's hard to explain to people sometimes because they're like, it's not a, it's not a formula. Exactly. And you could be doing things that seem unwares. related and be completely unaware of the synergistic potential of all those things. So it's, it's kind of like if you're living right across enough dimensions of, of your personality and your behavior and your, your study and your spirituality, all these different things, then you are killing me, smalls. Um, then when a window of opportunity comes along, you will, you will fit it perfect. Whereas if you weren't the right shape, so to speak, you wouldn't make it through or you wouldn't even see the window or the window would just be so far

Off your current path that it's just a tragedy. It's you could have been there, but not so much. I think you hit one of those how do we make that happen? I don't know, but it is kind of a right living type of thing if you're if you're doing enough of the right things. Yeah. So what was I going to say? It's a tough sell to some people because you can't tell them exactly what the benefit's going to be And it almost, and they, what was I trying to say? It's like, it's a tough sell because the individual things might seem like you're working on something and getting nothing out of it. Because you're thinking one, one dimensionally across it. Well, I'm only doing this one right thing. But you don't realize all the other things and you don't realize where they're going to meet. You just breathe in one of your hairs.

Oh, we love them so much. And they want to, to scratch us up and make a swallow their. here. I would agree. It works both ways. And I tend as a non-dualist, I push past very often

the right and the wrong. Again, that game is right here. So in the same manner in which all those great amalgamated things happen for good, it will also happen for bad. How you perceive whether you enjoy it or not

is up to you. It's the chance. That's your perspective there. But the fact that what I was doing before at this cosmic symphony of like Beethoven's gross feud maybe where it's hard

and dark and nasty and it's unpleasant it's the same manner in which the life that I live now a day like having that dream and meeting my partner on that day that's important and two more than one way is the same moment that you can feel the finale

of the third stage they both will meet each other at the same at all I one moment. Now it's up to you what you're serving with. It's said living a good life. Being a Buddhist really like me to see all those patterns because I have all the filters kind of removed from my vision. You feel like that it's impossible. It almost it almost blows me away that more people aren't mystics in a way that more people don't see how magical the world is.

I'm using the same same word I used before. And I, I can't explain it either. I don't even know what I'm trying to say, but I'm surprised that people aren't as blown away as I am by things like that, that they take it either dismissively or for granted or invest it with no meaning of like, I don't know, shit happens and sometimes good things happen. What are you going to do? I'm like, okay, you're right.

That's your life. That's how you roll. Whatever. You know, and I'm not whatever, we're overdue, but like, you do you. That's fair enough. Whatever is working for you at this job here. Yeah. It's also their own journey too.

And revelation's going to show up in the experience of them. There's almost nothing you can give them that's going to vitalize them in the way that their own experience will. Oh, yeah. And nothing was going to make me capable of understanding what I understand today 20 years ago. It wasn't going to happen. Even if someone had told me all the things I'm saying now, I wasn't ready for it. It's what is it when the student is ready, the teacher appears, that kind of thing.

I love that. Yeah, yeah. That's right. I totally agree. I totally agree. Okay, well, we're doing your dream. Let me, that's not,

because I'll just keep rambling. Oh, to get you sneezing on the paper, dude. She's got a little sign-ish thing going on. I don't know. That's okay, boo-boo. But you got to give me leg room.

You got to give me leg room on this flight. Here we go. Okay, what are we doing? We are doing. Okay. I do this differently every time and I have no idea. So why, why am I approaching this way?

We've got a variety of objects, scenery, people, behaviors, emotions, colors. We've got all of that in there. And I think all of it is relevant to the display. I mean, why was her hair on fire versus not on fire? Why was it up in a bun

and why wasn't she bald? I mean, there's going to be different reasons for all these things. One thing I did want to clear up was what you said the hair was up. Did you say it was like nefertiti or Afrodite? I couldn't hear too clearly. Neferzite. Nefertidy. Okay, got you. It's strong, almost like Marge Simpson, you know, that like pro-bri-I- I think I remember that too.

I think it's a famous, famous picture. Okay, well, I'll cross it out. Just couldn't hear. Couldn't hear very well. And it would have probably meant something else. I do a lot of counterfactuals, too. Why nefertidey and not Aphrodite? Well, why?

That's the question. It would mean something else if it was, say, the goddess of love versus, and she was a queen, an Egyptian queen. Do I have that right? Fertati? Yeah. If I was, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. That's okay. Testing my memory here. I should start. I'm questioning myself too. No, no, that's okay. I mean, if that's the image you've got in your mind and your, um, let's see, even if you are completely wrong, it's not wrong in your dream.

Whatever you, let's say I thought, uh, let's say I thought a guy was an actor and he wasn't. He was a welder. Uh, but in my dream he was an actor. And that's how I thought of him because that's what I believe. believed him to be then it's true then it still makes sense so and it's it's really weird is like uh what is it people people question because i've talked to a lot of folks and they very often question their thoughts and feelings and knowing in a dream so if i say um um what's what's the example um there was a man and he was there to kill me well how do you know i just know that's that's the

set up your brain just knows well said and it's not that's one of my fascinating things about dreams continue no absolutely and it says that feeling is as real as the visual because neither of them are present you're not having a physical feeling chemically in your body necessarily nor are you seeing a physical person with your eyeballs it's all conceptual it's all it's all a dream so that's uh they're they're equally real in that none of it's real none of it's physical none of it's tangible none of it's actually happening so sights and sounds or or just innate knowing uh because we we do that to ourselves too we uh a lot of dreams are are, not do it to ourselves.

We, we, we have the capacity to run thought experiments. And a lot of our dreams are thought experiments. Well, what if I consider this type of scenario? And you just draw the box around the scenario. You put all the elements of the scenario in it and you play it out in your mind and you see what happens. And then it's like thinking through thinking through a problem. So, but okay, so this is, I've come all over the place today. That's great.

That's, that's, that's actually fantastic. That helps. Oh, what was I going to say? Oh, no. I was so happy with my own, uh, I got a big smile with my internal state and I lost what I was going to say. Uh, dreams not being real, but she, what was I just saying before I tangent, tangentized myself.

Like that, it could, it is, it's real for me. It's real. Wow. Just gone. Just gone. Maybe, maybe, maybe, I'll say the, why let it go, it'll come back. Yeah, I was going to say maybe that thread trimmed itself. Like, I forget it.

That's, you don't want to go there. That's not, that's not the, it's not useful. It's entirely possible. So that's why I was starting with, okay, so we've got the scene. It is a city street and we're talking, you know, concrete jungle or a suburbia or a mix of the two. Burbia. Suburbia.

You got to move over, baby girl. No, and that's fine. And you may not really, it may not have been, I'm just trying to see it. your eyes. So it may not have been an important detail until we get around to it. So a suburban street and it's, whoops, street. Um, she has got some claws. I can't pet you constantly. You've got to stop and eat your ear. Um, so yeah, it might have, okay, why suburban? Well, it says something about how you're framing, framing the experience, the environment you put it into. Um, so suburban street and there's a woman and she,

She's, you said something interesting too, towards the end of it is that she's moving in the opposite direction of everybody else. She's even moving the opposite direction down the wrong side of the street. All the traffic seems to be going one way. No cars. So she's not in danger, which I think is also significant too, because, you know, you chose not to put her in danger. She's exactly where she needs to be doing the things she needs to be doing in a way that's obviously not a mistake. You know, she's, if she was in danger, you'd be like, well, this is a bad. idea that you'd be giving yourself a warning but uh there's something there about and you know

she's dancing and she's singing so there's what comes to my mind too is you know of course the beat of your own drum type of thing she's she's not just doing her own thing going with the flow but against the flow even like there's a there's a flow and she's like nope my path is this way and it's and it doesn't seem to be impeding her or like i said there's no cars coming there's no there's no reason she would be in danger in that environment um you gotta stop you gotta stop um okay so it's kind of a suburban-ish street and there's um and she's okay well i already said that too so so suburban street um now the kind of oncoming traffic lane always puts me in mind of like the left-hand model and the go back to the hero the heroine's journey right the the most

The most appropriate image of it is always the one who's going counterclockwise. If you see the hero's journey going clockwise, it's someone who is that little note. But Amble himself will say the most appropriate one is the one that's going counterclockwise because it's against the thou shouts of the world. You should be doing this, doing that. It also reminds me of whenever I remember this image in that against the direction. The very first time I saw little women, the one that came out a few years ago. and um i can't forget i forget her name at the moment but excuse me i forget her name at the moment

but she is in that carriage in the beginning and she's going down the the dirt road and while she sees people walking around she sees the the male supporting role walking against everybody i saw that i go romantic hero romantic hero romantic hero i know it i know that i know that one. I know that one so much romantic hero. And that was again that going against kind of the the current of society. I always think of that when I think of that moment too. Oh yeah. Well, that's fantastic too that that comes up in relation to the dream because that may be honestly how you're envisioning this this woman as well is just just as you described it too is, what am I trying to say?

It's not just going against the grain necessarily, but it's the fact that that's something that makes you stand out. If he was moving with the crowd, she wouldn't have caught her eye. So there's enough. And a lot of people look at, you know, attention seeking is a bad thing. But we want to get the attention of an employer or an investor.

And we want, we want to get the attention of a spouse or significant other. we we you know attention itself is is the it's not a bad thing to want it's a bad thing to let rule you in in that sense of like I just need to be the center of attention at all times even if it's counterproductive to other more important goals it's it's not like that but it is definitely you need to you need to it's like when we say you need to see the first step to whatever is admitting there's a problem so first you got to see there's something that that is not working or could be fixed. And then you can do it. But also on the, on the flip side of it is you need to be

able to see opportunities for improvement or put the opportunity for a relationship. Or, you know, you need to stand out in some manner. So that you've got this woman and she's, there's something going along going along with that as well, too, the, the idea of everything she's doing is very attention grabbing. And again, not attention seeking in the negative way, but grab me. She's, she's got this, she's in a, she's conspicuous in place, wrong side of the road. She's conspicuous in behavior and dress and fire on her head. Like everything is like a beacon, like a lighthouse almost like, look at me. So she was very, it seems like she was very much there, a place there to deliver a message about what she's doing.

and ultimately a message of encouragement. I was also going to say you'd be amazed at how many of these stories in my 17 currently available works of historical dream literature are stories about people who had inventions, solutions to problems of all kinds come to them in their dreams and sometimes specific phrasing. And then you've got the famous, you know, Samuel Taylor Coleridge woke up and, you know, in Zanadu did Kubel. on a stately pleasure dome decree. I had wrote the whole thing out and he would have written more if it wasn't fading fast. Right. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

But like the whole thing composed in his sleep and he woke up with the words. And I mean, what's the difference between our brain doing that when we're asleep and when we're awake? Not much actually. But that you can have those experiences and dreams and that they can be intense and raw. Accessing of it as well is one of the difference thing. Accessing of it. is one of the dividing,

the delta. Accessing that sort of space in waking life and accessing it in dream life, there's a delta between that too because it is really, really, like you're getting shown free content in your dreams, movies. You can't choose.

You can't choose, you can't plan on it, but you're starring them. Definitely star in them. And you get a bunch of stuff from it. Sitting in your waking life, there's an effort you have to take to kind of peel away the logic of things and find those sort of amazing inventions, those sort of amazing melodies, those

sort of amazing lines. And like, the only real difference for me is just the ability to access whatever gate that's being blocked here from life to dream life. You can tap in, if I could live in this, not necessarily exactly in this state, but I can just get a little closer to the hypnagogic state while I'm awake. You know, I would just be thrilled for that. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. The accessing is what.

what I'm saying is really important. For sure. And I just had a thought while you were describing that too. And it's like, what, what is going on here? And I mean, of course, we're trying to figure that out. But like in this specific scenario, because we know a lot of times I'll try to get to the end of the dream experience before I talk about, okay, now tell me about what's happening in your life at that time. The dream was happening. We try and relate them.

But we're doing a misch. This is all. I have no process. We're doing. This is what we do. We just go with the flow. Um, what came to me was. because you had this tremendous synchronicity of all these different events,

and we were talking about it from the perspective of preparing yourself to take advantage of opportunity when it arrives. You can't force opportunities to happen. You can mold yourself into someone who is ready for opportunity. So I, what came to me just a moment ago, as we're talking about the words, listening to you, is the idea that it's entirely possible your subconscious was putting together this idea of the grand conjunction is coming.

And it may not have happened that day, but it just happened to happen that day. But it seems like there were at least elements of yourself that knew roads were converging. And so what occurred to me was, you know, like the idea of subconscious new good things were coming soon because this convergence was about to occur. So the next thought,

was like, okay, what do we do with that information? We could stop there and say, well, that's the, that's the dream. That's what I was trying to tell you. Thanks for calling, you know. But I think it might also be useful to say if, if that's what the dream was trying to communicate, that good things are coming. And it really was. I mean, don't be surprised when your dreams come true.

The lyrics, all of it, all of it. It might also then be useful to look at the woman in the scenario, the dream itself, to try and identify what those roads were. What am I trying to say? How do we make this useful to you? So if these were all positive things heading towards a convergence and then bam, through the doors wide open for opportunity

when it arrived, understanding what those roads were, understanding what elements of yourself to lean into in the future because those are the things, Those are the things that open the door to where you're at now, and they can open another door further down the road or throw it open wider, open a different door. I don't know if that makes, I'm going to stop right there and say it's making any sense. Yeah, no, it does.

I love the question of what do we do with that. That's one of the biggest things that. Yeah. I'm a very actionable person. Like, what are we saying? What are we thinking? I have a lot of information here. How do we put it in order to be actionable?

Yeah. In the past, you know, five years, 180 some odd. episodes I've been very focused on. Well, let's get, let's get me able to tell, to solve the mystery in a way. Well, here's what the dream was trying to say. And lately I've been trying to say, okay, now, what do you do with? How do I make that even more beneficial to the person? Not just relieve the desire to know, to understand the mystery, like, you know, solve the mystery. Well, we all loved it. We love watching the Sherlock Holmes stuff. And we want to get to the end of the, you know, hour long CSI episode and find the killer. It's a we're all looking for that. But put puzzle to get. show me the picture but but but but lately I've been thinking okay now what can this person do with this how can they how can they carry this beyond our current conversation and not just a idle novelty so I think okay well how do we do that so what occurred to me was looking at the woman her behavior her her appearance all of these things might suggest aspects of your efforts or personality to

invest in further to create more potential prosperity whatever you want to phrase it if that makes sense um i mean even if it doesn't we could just we could just give it a try but uh um i was going somewhere with that i was and it's cat too like i can't even read my notes um well why don't we look at um we'll look at the the pieces uh one by one of maybe we'll try to we'll try to write them out my first it's a woman you're not i assume so so why why would it why would you embody what you're thinking about in that form. What does that say?

And let's see, she's got the way she's addressed. We've got hairstyle. This is what I'm trying to do is like organize my own thoughts. It's not happening. The fact that there was fire, fire on her head. The fact that she's dancing. The fact is she's singing. We already discussed a little bit moving against traffic, so to speak.

Um, okay. So is that everything? What, what other elements about her might be. Descriptive. Yeah, sure. So descriptive part for me, one, the fact that she's woman to me straight to the anime must concept, right? Um, I'm following her.

So there's something to be said for me. Oh, that's making sure that I'm, I'm putting more of that feminine energy. And I, I, I. am maybe in the more front of my thoughts a little bit. Considering how free and how open that it would be just a logical, just critical. One other part that's noted here is that it's always stood out to me with that very white dress with those and hibiscus outlines. The flowers are not filled in.

It's a white dress. There's just blue outlines and black outlines. and they make the shape of roses and ascus flowers, which of course, flower of life, which life-giving nature, Mother Earth, going right back to. And then dressed, though, is just as flowy as the rest of her body was, just as much as the iron her hair was, just as not much.

It's not as much as everything else in that building, in that building in that street very well paved street suburbia so it's clean cut it's not it's not downtown L.A. so it's where it's messy and it's not a dirt road in the country out of dirt road the country

it's very is very manicured bush another thing of nature but very manicured that's what you said too is like a long row but it was very neatly trimmed well put together it wasn't messy either but she was free and flowing and everything about it was flowing how she's saying how she moved

how she walked how she danced the close she wore fire in her hair you know sort of like you know that come with me if you want to live it's like come of me if you want to

you know kind of phrasing yeah exactly so in the nature of that fire was not it's not threatening like she was in no danger I don't know what came to my mind was was like

you know in cartoons they have the light bulb appear over someone's head when they have an idea oh that's a good one one. Yeah, that's something about that, like, especially when it's on the top of the head, fire, light, and it's a, but it's a natural light. Well, speaking, which was also daytime, bright and warm.

So there's, there's all these ideal conditions, which, as we were talking about before, it's like the, the conjunction in your life that you had, because you had prepared yourself properly oriented and walked the proper paths that converge for, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the brightness of the daytime, the warmth, all of these environmental factors were also ideal for the, say, the summoning of this woman, for her appearance. The environment had to be ready for her, and then she could arrive if it had been a dark and stormy. She could have been walking through a dark and stormy night as well. But I think, of course, that would counter, counter, what I call it, counter narrative or the alternative? What is it? I have a phrase I used for that, and I suddenly can't remember, it doesn't matter. It's, it's going to bug me.

It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Well, I don't know if you have thoughts of that. I'll just stop. When I run out of words, I should just shut up. Dude, I love that there's this, like, all these fitting, perfectly aligned arrangement, this, like, Goldilog zone of an environment, right? Not too hot, not too cold.

This habitable zone. Life, and here we go again. I keep going into this nature part about it, because she was woman. There's something so much to be said and so much to be thought about how all of this came about. My, for me,

for me, there is, you would assume that lights a fire in daytime. That too? No? Yeah. You light fires at night for illumination, for warmth.

Who lights the fire in the daytime? That's what got me the light bulb on the top of the head because this makes no sense as other things. It was the nighttime. It could be literally a lighthouse beacon or she's guiding her own way by her own light. I mean, there's different ways of looking at that type of thing. But it was completely in a way superfluous.

We could look at a lot of different ways as well. It's like not as a functional thing, but as an expressive element. Like what happens when you achieve the state of being that she has a fire as if by magic it shines from the top of your head or head. in that sense. So that's what I'm thinking is along these lines is that each one of these is probably going to be describing some. What am I trying to say? Since we have the convergence of multiple paths, there are multiple paths.

There's various different things you did that you can quantify discreetly and say, this is one path in my life that is contained and describable. And there were multiple of them. So I think that's what she's representing here is, is, um, all the different ways that, that each element that went to compose the, the display of her is referencing some part of you that brought you to this place. So we would want to associate if we could. And we, we would talk, we started on that road. And I'm, you know, uh, just to, just to reiterate the idea that, um, well, that she is a woman.

So anima, feminine energy. And that, um, more. emotive or emotion over logic in some ways going with the feeling versus trying to think it through. So probably if it and I think we can look at everything she represents as something you feel to be a positive aspect of yourself. So I don't think we're I don't think she's representing a warning. Like hey, don't do this. But like here look at all the good things that you are that brought you to the place where you are now. So embracing or leaning into.

feminine energy what I'm trying to say the dress the dress flowy natural when we think of flow I mean water always comes to mind we think of water is flowing

as is as Bruce Lee said it can flow it can crash Oh that's right Yeah yeah In a cup it can be in a bowl It can be in your hand

Be water Well saying I love that so much There's people who said He was like a con man And just a just a brilliant actor And you know He was never really a martial arts master

I don't care. I think it's genius either way. I think it's an interesting thing to say. I mean, you're going to find somebody to hate on anybody to be. No, it's true. Yeah,

there's people say a lot of things. I don't know. I mean, I trained, I was trained under Gene LaBelle as a fighter and he met him. Never said anything like that in particular. Whatever, we're going on and on here somewhere else. Yeah, that's what they do.

Oh, gosh, just give it up. I get those random. thoughts too it's just like all the people who say well you you'll get a hater for anything and I'm like well I thought about that oh what if it wasn't what if he was uh it was all an act for him and he was very successful crafting a personality and selling it as an actor um and I said I don't think it matters I think it's the same I think it'd be it did yeah long story short on that one um so we've got the dress and and it's very it's very nature oriented as you were saying and it's flowy and there's so maybe um so for her

her was she what was her complexion of skin color was she uh egyptian african black okay so black yeah she yeah she's black okay so and she very well could have been chinese or uh or south american or who who knows what but if if we're looking at these as aspects of your path variety of paths part of that is either what am i trying to say there's there's something to do with The fact that she is black, of course. So I'm starting with the basics. And that is a part of you. And,

but this wasn't specifically your mother, but it is your mother's half of you. So there is something. Right. Uh-huh. This is what in my head just now. Continue. Please say more.

Say more. And also say space. I can also stop and just let you go. I just rambled until you have something to say. Oh, I appreciate that. Well said. I also want to say, say space, too, considering this climate of saying wrong things or whatever.

I don't take stuff like that personal. So please feel free, especially for the sake of finding out dreams and symbolism and metaphor, give me all the shit, man. Yeah. I'm not going to... Yeah, this is...

Bust out with the N-word. It's not going to happen. I'm not worried. I'm not worried that much about anything else I say. On the after-hours episode of dream interpretation. Right. That's the bonus show you get behind the paywall. Somebody might pay to see...

I honestly, just between you and me, I thought of starting an only fans for my... my infected foot, uh, infected toenail, I was just gonna put it up there. Feed picks on my only fans.

You asked for it. Only feats. Only feats. Yeah, yeah. No one's gonna pay for that. I was gonna set it at like $100 and there'd be like five pictures up there. It's like if anybody actually gave me that money and joy. Yeah,

truly. We're surprised. I think that if you can, if you can think up a fetish, it's probably already been described. There might be someone who's like DM, DSMW, whatever it is. Infected toenails?

Where? Of course. No, that gives me the disgust response, but someone's, that is legit someone's fetish and I feel bad for them. Okay, well, yeah. So, and then the fact that that is a piece of you and it is your mother's piece of you. So there may be the idea of leaning into a little bit of, well, more of what my mother taught me or that I've been implementing that in my life and that's part of the convergence. That's part of what put me on these variety of paths. It may also be in current political climate, speaking of which, there may be a wide range of opportunities if you lean into advertising yourself as black and coming from a black perspective.

That might be a piece of what at least you might feel contributed to your current success. Maybe completely neutrally for good or ill. If that's what people want, you can sell it, go for it. talking about Bruce Lee in the 60s people were fascinated with Chinese martial arts and he's like hey Chinese guy that does martial arts

put me in movies and they did so they worked for him and people wanted it like you interrupt me stop me anytime if you have a thought you know I I agree with that I think that there is

there's something really great about I had a note here thinking about that mother figure, that feminine energy, that archetype and that flowiness, that freeness, that's the exact opposite. And I take it back because she wasn't the only one walking

against everything. I was following her. You were following her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm glad you brought that up again, too. But go ahead and finish your thought. I just, it was a complete trust. I didn't feel there was no apprehension, all of those like

inherited ways if you just know something in a It starts. And the main thing for me, my emotion that was going on in that dream was a large little of awe. I'm participating in this. And there was a complete, it was no desire to do anything else except follow. Which lets me believe that there was nothing I was worried about because I had desire to follow. No. I don't know if you've ever been hypnotized before, but I did hypnotherapy for a while, and I remember one of the first times, because I love participating in the mystery of anything,

then still I keep a small, like a pepper, like a spice, a little bit of pinch of skepticism, make sure I'm seeing things as clearly as I possibly can. And I'm in that hypnotized state. I'm under. And I remember my eyes were close. and he was walking me through. And there was a moment of checking in. And I said, am I still here? You are here. Do you have the ability to move and open your eyes?

Do actually, yeah. And do it. I don't want to. And there was like that sort of feeling. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to do anything else but this right here. I stuck with me a lot.

Yeah. No, well, just to give you, because it sounds like you, asked me and but what am I trying to say not not for yeah yeah not for nothing um but I don't know that I can be hypnotized but I know that I have been in trance states before which is really weird because I think the hypnotism thing for me is a um there's some people who can because they're able to relax and I don't think I can I don't think I can put that trust in another person to let them guide me through that now I can also say I've never gone to a hypnototherapist and tried to

hypnotized. So I should put it to the test, but I have a, uh, I got my own control issues and surrendering control to let someone walk me through in, in a vulnerable state is maybe something I wouldn't do, although I've been to, you know, a therapist to talk through problems. So, I don't know, there, there may be something. So is that apropos of anything. Well, it is in a sense of, um, if it works for you and it's real for you and it, and it has benefited you, and it's something you've enjoyed even, that would, that, what am I trying to say? That's the focus of the, it doesn't matter how I feel about it. It's not my dream in that sense.

Amen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of what I was trying. It's a long way to say that. You, one thing we didn't get to or not, yeah, we're working. And also we've got, you got about 10 more minutes, is we're going to try and wrap it up. That's why I brought it down to what do we do? How do we do these things and try and show you?

There's something going on with the idea that. it is a white dress, which could be, sometimes our brains are just aesthetic. You've got a beautiful black skin and a white dress. And that just feels right. So you look, then again, it could be, we think of white as blank, not necessarily purity, but it's a blank canvas in a way, more than if it was black. We'd think of, you don't think of writing in white pet. What we do on chalkboard, I'll take that back.

It could have been the opposite, but it was very much this way. And what you put on that canvas in a way was flowers, natural symbols. But not only that, as you were saying, symbols of the flower of life. And the most iconic representation of the rose is love. So life and love, loving life in that way. I mean, our brain loves these puns and it'll show you a visual representation of an idea along those lines. but you put it you didn't they're not red roses or or whatever high biscuits is I can't I can't remember but uh you put it in blue and black yellow pink yeah but they weren't the actual colors and they weren't the actual flood they were the outlines it was actually the other way around so it's did did the pattern cover the cover the dress entirely or was it only did it only appear in certain places when you when you say cover you mean like it was at least in every section like it wasn't like hybriscus next to an the next to another next.

That was maybe like, you know, they were just, like on the rip cage a little bit. There was some that's on the backside of her just above her, or like just above her backside or on her hip. There's a few of them there on like the blouses. But there was space. You could put your hand on certain parts of the dress and not hit one.

There's nothing in there. Okay. Which is interesting too because I was thinking of foreground and background. Like we, what am I trying to say? It very well could have been a black and blue dress. that had white flowers on it, but it wasn't.

It was a white dress that has these outlines in a, what is that negative, reverse image type of thing? I don't know that that means it just struck me as, as an interesting thing to, um,

so if we follow things like that, it could end up being where it's like, if the symbol, what am I trying to say? If the symbol is life and love, but the image is the absence. So it could be, communicating one thing absence of life and love or it could be what you have to do is get

I had this a moment ago and I'm trouble putting into words is that um what do you what do you call it when there's um the images formed by by the by the parts that are not there I'm not by the uh they're yeah I've lost it as well the um yeah there was something absence of it right yeah yeah but then I was thinking of absence too. So it's, something, rather than telling you, you have an absence,

but that something needs to be removed in order to move in that direction. Like the, um, rather than being present, it is present in negative. So,

I'm not making any sense. That's okay. I got lost it. I can't fight. Sometimes I can't fight the words for these, uh, these things.

We should probably move on to because there was a couple other things I want to get to before we get you out of here. Um, definitely the fact that she was, have the appearance of a historical figure from a particular time and place. I don't know if we're going to have time to get into that, but I would look at that in terms of your life and your path and what lessons.

Now, it could be, it makes tremendous sense right off the top of my head is the idea that you have built your life. One path you followed was the study of history and historical figures and ancient stories. And so the fact that she is this one, particular person from ancient history and famous through stories may represent that in general. You're showing yourself what is one reason you ended up in this positive place you're at today.

You invested time and energy to understand these myth mythic structures throughout history and that that's been an essential building block to bring you to where you are. It could be as simple as that or it could be more specific to her. Like if you have a special connection to that particular character or something she did that you're aware of in her historical record, that may be more of the specific element to focus on and bring more out into your life. Even today, possibly. This was, it might have been more relevant a couple years ago when it, when it happened. Like it might have been. Possibly.

I don't remember to look her up. I knew the image and had to look up the image. That's how much I didn't know about her. Gotcha. Yeah. I don't remember a time reading about her of anything. If I did, nothing stuck with me because I would remember it by now. I would hold on to it.

I'm really, if something hits me, I will hold on to it, and I'll honor it for a little while, like live with it for a little. Something came up in that sense from the nefertiti. But that means either nothing did or it means that I haven't looked her up still. I was inundated with all this other stuff. Yeah. Or even, even then, whatever. And whatever she meant to you at the time is probably, you know, less so than things you've looked up later. Because, of course, the dream happened in its own, uh, at a specific period of time.

So whatever you knew about her at that time. And it may have just been the image, the iconic image we've seen in a lot. I think I've seen it too. It's like a sideways profile and you see the hair that, uh, um, anyway, spent a long time on that. Uh, and the fact that she was dancing. she was so counter counter example I almost had the word back

counterfactual that's what's so counterfactual she was not marching she was not floating she was not in a car she was not under threat by cars but but behaviorally she was specifically dancing

so there's some association you have with dancing that and it can be as it can be physical and it can be abstract maybe you met someone through a dance class. Again, counterfactual, maybe or maybe not. Or it could be the idea of, you know, we dance with,

we dance with a partner physically, but we also dance with ideas and we dance to music and dance is a metaphor for a lot of those type of things of a more natural or free way of engaging. You know, and it didn't seem like she was doing a very choreographed routine. She was just doing her own thing, kind of spontaneous dancing.

Right. Gotcha. Yeah. So that definitely feels more, oh, wow. I'm losing all the words today. I can't even. It's just still more natural.

I mean, overall, it's just still more natural. Like, if she is, if we're going to keep sticking with the natural, like the nature sort of thing with fire and plants and so,

and she's blowing without any sort. Tell me, at what time do you see a tree blowing in the wind that blue rhythmically? It is constantly changing, moving, and going somewhere else, right? Almost never going to get the same motion

twice. Even if a branch is rocking in the same direction, it's still going to be slightly different each time. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I, yeah, I don't have much else on that part in particular. It's

Mm-hmm. Dance is just, it just felt so much more, so freeing and it what it's not all of it of course but it's what really stabilized the continuous desire to follow her because of the safety I felt the freeness that I felt desire to be among and with free expression free existence free thought free living free spirit free and I don't mean free spirit in the phrasing I mean this like to have your spirit being freed of the thing Things held you back.

Absolutely. Traffic and structure and lines and long rectangles and trimmed bushes and go this way, not that way. Yeah. Oh, on and so forth. Suburbia, USA. You know, and as you were, as you were saying, too, it's like, I think it's important that you were following her and not she was following you. Because we can, we can forge our own path through the wilderness. We can carve a trail.

And that's something we can put effort into. But this is more like you saw. you saw the path in front of you and followed it rather than making the path. There's something in there. Like, that's, there's something represented by you following her. And,

you know, it's a validation that she's worth following. But, but, but also that what has brought you to where you're at is something you discovered rather than created. If that makes sense. Something,

there's something in that. Of course. Yeah. Oh, wholeheartedly, completely 100%. I, I,

I, um, yeah completely that I more I love I'm more of the person who tries to discover the thing and then trying to create the thing like I I'm great at me all the stuff and then I'm going to show you where like it all has these commonalities but if I just create something it'll sometimes it doesn't have enough order because I'm too busy again you know in the connections yeah I love that too that's that I want to follow the I've posted something on Twitter a lot later

By the way, don't follow me on Twitter. I say a lot of crazy shit. It's not, I don't argue that. Except they would have horrible people. But I put out, you know, every wizard is looking for a good king. You know, it's like, as a wizard, I don't want to be the king. I don't want to tell you what to do. I don't want to rule you.

But I want to find a path worth following. I want to find the good king in the sense of, well, it's Gandalf and Aragorn. You know, part of the, part of the winning against Eve. was getting the good king back on the throne. And Gandalf probably could have killed Aragorn if he wanted, if Gandalf wanted to be the king, but he didn't. It's like, that's not his purpose. And it's not a desire he had as well.

So I would love to find personally someone who is worthy of my loyalty in that sense. So every wizard wants to be the one to help a good king be a better king and not be the one in charge. So, follow, so looking for something to follow it. In a way, this, this woman is,

you know, uh, like that. It's a path worth following. It's, it's an example, uh, that you look at and you go,

that's, that's it. That's what I should, I should be following her. And in your dream, you, you, you show yourself doing that. We are,

we are at 2.30 and I want to respect your time. Do we need to let you go, um, or do we have a couple more minutes? Five minutes is good. Oh, five minutes. I think we can get wrapped up in five,

because it was just a couple other things on there. I mean, Dancing and singing. What struck me was they were both, they're both forms of expression. They're forms of communication. They're trying to say something. They're giving an observable or auditory display.

So there's definitely communication wrapped up in that too. And that speaks, I think to your, to your public speaking career thing of like, you know, if you're, you have definitely followed the path of expressing yourself publicly,

putting on a display for others to, to communicate. So there's something in there. Well, said. Well, that. Well, was that i try is that is that something that was new to you at the time or it's new now i don't remember the timeline exactly public speaking the public speaking thing happened uh you said that was just

a half months after the dream ah so you may have already you may have seen you're following her and you did eventually down that path of now uh following her example uh behaving as she does publicly in a way i don't know that you're well you recorded a song uh a before from it. You turned it into a song. So you put on that public performance as well. I mean, a lot of the lessons from the dream, you like just instinctively put into practice, I think. And that may have been part of it, like the was giving you a hint, a preview of, uh, and you could have chosen not to do so. Um, but I, but I think you intuitively knew that that's, wow, these are all, and probably you woke up from the dream like this is, this is amazing. She's awesome. I, I'm

glad I just stuck with me. Yeah. It stuck with me. I went, I woke up, wrote it down, the melody was in my head so I did voice memo so I can remember from laying it back up straight to the piano and then found the melody and just started working on her from there that's amazing I want one of those dreams I do by the summer dude oh my I wish I could get another but I shouldn't say I wish this gave me plenty when it shows up again it shows up again and we'll see what happens yeah it's okay to say I had a wonderful experience and I'd like to have that experience again that's not bad that's I think that's true too but then letting it consume you and even the best things can be twisted to evil if you

let it happen that way. You know, if your entire purpose in life suddenly became, I need to have another dream like that again. You would never have another dream like that in your life. It's not, that's not how it happens. That's a great point.

You destroy it over, overneeding the dough or something like that. That's a horrible analogy. But I think we hit the end. I think it was the last thing I really wanted to throw in there. And we are, I ran us out of your time. So do you feel like we,

we had a good conversation? about that we learned maybe something absolutely absolutely yeah thank you so much that's fantastic yeah this should be the easiest most fun satisfying experience most people will ever have outside of sex i hope so we'll see i appreciate that thanks yeah yeah um so well let's do this let's wrap it up this has been our friend caesar cardana from la california is a public speaker and co-hosts on a new podcast that just came out probably last week it is beauty in the the break. You can find more at Caesarcardana.com. Link is in the description below.

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I don't take, uh, yeah, don't applaud. Just throw money. That's, I don't take compliment as well, but I appreciate it. So and everybody out there. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next time. Gonna move the cap.