Dreamscapes Podcasts - Dreamscapes Episode 192: Medium at Large

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

Samuel Thomas-Holland ~ [e-mail]

Greetings friends and welcome back to another episode of dreamscapes. Today's guest dreamer is Samuel Thomas Holland out of the Brighton Beach area in Australia, the Great Land Down Under down there. He is a Reiki master practitioner, a psychic medium and forensic medium. We're going to talk about what that is when we get into it, as well as a fellow dream interpreter. So we got lots of stuff to discuss. Of course, you can find a link in the description below. You can contact him at info.

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This is probably why I can't concentrate. Samuel, thank you for being here. I appreciate your time. Thank you for having me. And yes, welcome everyone from the great man down under. Absolutely. And, you know, there's another thing, you know, for folks out there who are scared of this process. I'm like the easiest person to work with.

just been we've already been talking like a half an hour about everything and nothing and you know we both kind of took a break before we started and kind of run to the bathroom and all that good stuff but but also um oh wow I had a whole point to that tangents not good for my brain today what am I even doing it was a whole point that I was going to tell folks what did you just say that got me off on that thing you said you said it was nice to be here and something the great down the times it was the time zone thing we had a whole kerfuffle about time zones it's horrible it's horrible to get time zone sorted out. But we eventually got it done.

And, you know, after some little miscommunication here or there, and we will make it work. And there's no, no hard feelings all the way around. So that's, I just thought that was something people should know. It's not a big deal. This girl's going to drive me crazy. It is only heading towards 70 degrees in here. I'm sweating.

Sweating like crazy. I always do. So where should we start? I mean, you've got your Rakey master stuff. You've got the psychic medium stuff. I don't know. what's the, I don't know if we want to do an origin story for you or just jump right into one of those particular topics. Does anything feel like the best place to start to your mind?

Yeah, I keep hearing terror, which was sort of my origin story to begin with. This all sort of started in my journey with spirit and with energy and with dream interpretations, Even before the forensic mediumship began, I always had inklings that I'd go down that path anyway. Just through, I guess, my normal consciousness of always looking into that and always being a fan of the X-Files TV show growing up probably. I've been making the catalyst in me pursuing that field now being more... What's the word? Comfortable in my own skin more than what I was when I first began this journey. As, yeah, it's a lot of what we call the dark nights of the soul

and the industry of the psychic and medium shit world where you're having a lot of ego death and you're having to contemplate who you are just as much in the physical plane just as much as in the physical plane just as much as in the energetic plane. And it basically feels like when you're having one of those things, your body is basically tearing itself apart for one night or a few nights at least, which is not a very pleasant feeling at all.

But after you've had that dark night of the soul, then you can then present yourself more authentically. I've always found where before that it's, a huge you having to always question everything. That's not to say that I don't question everything still. I think a good balance of skepticism is good so you're not just jumping in with blind faith all the time, but it's at the same time you are having a human journey

as my first mentor brought forward. So you have to respect that just as much as having a journey with spirit and with energy and with frequency and vibration, which has already worked with me being an opera singer, going into a new tangent. For 20 years of my life, just as much as pursuing music, and almost, I'd say now looking at it through a Reiki lens and a psychic lens, sound healing.

in that way because of going in through that industry of opera and musical theatre and different musical genres. I now see when I sing for people with busking that I do more more often than not these days as performance. And then through that gaining performance opportunities, there is a healing aspect that I'm now feeling through the Reiki frequencies and vibrances and vibrances. and healing, flowing narratives, even with people just in front of me, when they stop, they listen, and you can feel their heart expand,

or you can even just feel where they need to be healed. And usually my vocal harmonies or vibrations, should we say, or even just frequencies, I know myself have healed people in various ways and they've even come up to me and said, thank you. And brought even forward, I guess, in the medium aspect, and I guess a little bit in the psychic, because they go both hand-in-hand for balance just as much.

It's the my father or my grandfather passed away story that they bring up or any other family member passed away so many years ago, and that was their favourite song. And then, of course, you can immediately feel that spirit step forward within your third eye cognition. And it's always been an incredible experience when those journeys happen just when you're not even expecting it, which is usually half the...

I'm trying to get the word. that today. Yeah, you me both. Yeah, yeah. The, I guess it's just the psychic journey that we're having them always, because at the same time, with those frequencies, getting back to them

with the sound healing of my opera voice and my voice in general, it also draws into nature and nurture. And a lot of the time, birds and aviary life perch themselves to listen to me while I'm busking in the streets of Melbourne

or in the other suburbs that I do sometimes as well or even just I was down at the famous what did we call it the the portsea markets which is a old quarantine station down in portsea which is a country regional Victoria where the old 17th century 16th century boats would come and quarantine themselves. And it was just amazingly historic.

And of course, a few haunted buildings as we discovered when we were down there at the same time. And of course, then bringing forward those frequencies, there was always a V-shaped formation of every life that would always hover above us that day, which was quite incredible to see them swooping in their V-shaped form. again and again over the top of us when we sang different songs or operas that then coexisted with their frequencies, vibrations, and much more, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

Sounds like you and I had at least somewhat of a similar path from music to mysticism in a sense. And I even, you know, dabbled in tarot myself. I wouldn't say dabbled. I was never a practitioner, but I was always fascinated by the, um, by the mystical, by the, by the, by the, by the, lost magical knowledge, those kind of things. And, you know, I thought occurred to me while you were saying this is that, you know, although I dabbled or experimented perhaps or investigated all the, these things in my youth, I never dedicated to it fully, but, but I did enough to say, you know, this isn't, uh, I think I was bringing the wrong energy to it is what I, is what I, is what I,

determined. What I found was that initially I wanted it for personal power. I'm like, oh, taro. I can tell the future. I can, I can accomplish things. I can use it for my own gain. And it wasn't until I shifted my focus into being helpful to other people through psychology and then later in this dream stuff that I actually found the floodgates open to things I can't explain. You know, so there's something weird about the way. And I know, and I know, what am I trying to say? I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I'm exploring some of these thoughts for the first for the first time. I suppose I would throw it back to you to say if that's something you noticed that these abilities seem to work better for the benefit of others than they

do for, you know, the benefit of self. Is that a principle you've discovered in your practice? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, exactly. But at the same time, at the same time, you always have to practiced on yourself to to help others. And then what I'm always saying is when you've learned the lesson, then you can actually teach as with any

good master or teacher. I love that like, so the student has become the master. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I also like that other, there's another phrase like that that's, you know, when the student is ready, the master will appear. That kind of a thing. Oh, I love that too. I love that phrase, clear.

I've heard that more times than not. Yeah. And I love the way that connects to a lot of different things because it's, um, one thing I noticed you were doing or saying as you were describing your story is that there was a lot of synchronicities, a lot of different omens in the environment around you. The birds were responding or a particular or the synchronicity of you're singing a song and it's connecting with a person and they come and, you know, let you know that that was their grandfather's favorite song.

And then as you're saying, you feel their presence. But the, the amazing thing is that you were there at that time. time and they were there at that time to have that experience. That wasn't, you didn't know each other beforehand. You didn't discuss the song to sing it and then make a connection. It all happened because it happened. There's no way you couldn't have made it happen. It was seemingly chaotic but synchronistic at the same time.

So I've noticed that myself too. Go ahead. Exactly. And I'm hearing the word serendipitous, I think at the same time. Equally sums that up just as much as, and thank you for bringing up the word synchronicity because I think that was the way I was trying to find with all the frequencies and vibrations

yeah well we would say serendipity is positive synchronicity well I just made that up we would say but uh but I think that's and then there's maybe I don't know what the word would be for negative synchronicity like wrong place at the wrong time maybe Murphy's law something something like that

but yeah no no it's a very serendipitous and that's another great word I love it's a good movie too even though John John Cusack's a bit of a nut but a guy makes good movies. Oh, I need to look into that movie then. Yeah. And I think it was, um...

The cover for it years ago, maybe in the 1990s. Yeah, cute little rom-com. I mean, well-written, good, well-acted. One of those, one of those movies where it's like, not life-changing, not too profound, just, well, just a well-done story. You like those. You like to see people, uh, um...

Well, you like to see things turn out well, because life is just, very often things don't. And, you've got to learn how to live with that, too. But, yeah, and then you're talking about, well, and John Hughesack always seemed to be quite a good actor. And he didn't have a go on his shoulders I have found. He was very quite humble, even through the characters that he played. I remember seeing him in an interview way back within in the day.

It was, I think the one, the one I remember of him was the identity movie. That's a big one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Put him on the map. Yeah.

Yeah. For real, anyone that didn't know him before from his just kind of, you know, late 80s and whatever, mid-90s rom-coms, that one got more critical attention because it was like a nice twist. For all that people give what, Emini and Shama on a hard time for his twists. Movies have twists that you like to see a surprise ending coming that you couldn't anticipate. And that was one of the best. No spoilers. Just if you haven't seen that movie, I cannot remember what the title of it is. But it's the, it's a John Q, you can look at it.

I'm D.B. John Qusack. And it's a movie about the people all in a hotel. And there's a, there's a mystery to solve about, you know, I think it's called titled Identity. Oh, it might be called. Sure, it might be. Yeah. Which is, yeah.

I mean, that actually gives you a clue to the twist, but I, but you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know until it hits. And then you're like, oh, I get it. I get it. I don't want to say anymore. The more I say, the more I'm going to risk spoilers. That's like highly recommended. Um, I was going to say to, uh, you know, mentioning, one of the things that I got my eyes open to was the, the idea of vibrations. And it's, um, it's a word that, what am I trying to say? People would, some people look at it like they poop, they poop, you know, they, they, they look skeptically at a lot of phenomenon that have not been proven to them or have been,

dismissed by mainstream science in a way. And I think we're entering, if I may, you know, it's not to rely on, you know, Age of Aquarius and all that stuff too, too heavily. But although I think that's probably true too, we're coming into something new. But I think part of that is realizing that science and magic are not too far off.

And I actually, I put forward that they're actually the same thing. That what we used to think of as magical was just stuff we didn't understand. and then we now we understand it better or a lot of it and we think of it as science and for some reason that strips the magic app

I think it's still magical I think it's still magical that a spark oxygen and fuel makes fire that's magical to me that's magic in the world and they're like let's just how fire works

this just this is science I'm like see that's what you're missing you're missing the wonder the awe of like wow that's a thing that how we can make I can make fire

yes you can if you know how And if you didn't know, right? If you didn't know, I can't throw fireballs from my hands without equipment, but, uh, but, but I do other wizardly things. And that's another thing I get into with folks, too, is that I think it's, uh, you know, I think the idea of a wizard is, is a very real thing, even if it isn't the fantasy version. I'm not quite Gandalf.

Although I love the representation, representation of Gandalf, because he almost used zero magic. His staff lit up once. He was kind of strong. He could swing a sword. He was able to fight the, the bowrog. There's things that he did that were superhuman, but you didn't see him doing the typical, you know, he wasn't launching lightning bolts from his fingertips or throwing fireballs or levitating things. He wasn't ostentatious about it. He was just determined and capable and wise

and all the things that a wizard should be. You know, that's one of my, one of my personal heroes. I was talking about vibration. Sorry, I was trying to say science and science and magic. I'll go, I will go all over the place if you let me. I'm sorry. Last, last thing I'm to say is the, If you've probably come Yeah, you've probably come across this too Yourself where there's a A little black square They have a speaker under it.

They play different tones, different frequencies, And they sprinkle salt or sand, White sand on the black square. And at certain frequencies It ranges itself into a geometric pattern. A liquid. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Go ahead. I'll stop them. Yeah, sometimes. I think I know the ones you're talking about. Sometimes it's almost also a liquid or a jelly or a gelatin sort of consistency at the same time that they've used in the experiments. Yeah, yeah. And certain Ferris materials, I think. Yeah.

I remember seeing a few videos. I think it's the same experiment you're talking of, of sand and then of water and then know, a gelatin sort of flower consistency base. Yeah. They may have done more of those recently. I should, I should investigate it too. But I think that proves the validity that there's, there's more, there's more to this. There's, you know, that vibrations and frequencies are not just, it's not just spooky woo.

There's, there's a scientific basis. And I don't think, I don't, that's, I think we've done ourselves a disservice separating science and magic, the supernatural, so to speak. We think of it as the opposite of natural. No, it's also natural. It's a different kind of natural. But anyway, I wanted to throw it back to you. Go ahead. Oh, good.

But I think the best way to answer your questions there or go down that rabbit hole is I work with a spirit called Eric a lot. And he loves this topic of going down into quantum mechanics and going into the resistance of others because they're having their human experience just as much as their moment. multidimensional experience, which then it coexists, of course, of the vibrations and the, I keep hearing the word, being, becoming an alchemist. Yeah. Just as much as what you were bringing forward of wanting to become a wizard. And quickly going into the Gandalf narrative again, I bring forward that there is also a sort of Christ-like C.S. Lewis.

Aslan type with, if you want to look at it in that perspective at the same time with Gandalf of when he brought up with him battling the barrog. But a lot of that usually gets glossed over of there is a resurrection style of alchemy just as much as what happened with Christ and with Aslan in the Narnia books at the same. time there is that turning from Gandoff the Grey to Gand off the White. Yes, yes. In the huge representation and I know there'll be huge resistance to me saying this because it has been already on Facebook in the past when I've posted it in the past as well, but there is a huge resonance of resurrection and that we can all do this as well. and this is what Christ was talking about at the same time

of everlasting life in a way. And Gandalf basically, Tolkien basically, was representing a Christ-like figure through Gandalf just as much if you're wanting to go down that rabbit hole. At the same time, the basis is resurrection is possible. And Tolkien... And I think in a way Tolkien split... split the Christ figure

or different elements of the Christ figure into part of it was in Frodo, part of it in Gandoff and part of it in Aragorn in a way about different aspects of of um boy I wasn't prepared to talk about that it's a new idea to me too but I think that

I think there's something that Eric loves Eric loves bringing forward this stuff so if you let him get away with it for too long but that I think it was a very there's also

there's also a very powerful message in there too which is It is entirely possible, even likely, that Gandalf the Grey could not defend Minas Tirith and could not come to the rescue of Helms Deep, that whatever he was as the Grey was not enough. He had to go through a voluntary sacrifice, die, and be reborn in order to finally be what he could be to see through the mission. And so, and I think that that's a very powerful message too with like the alchemical change as well. And talking about the history of the occult and different things, I think there's a lot of folks out there that don't understand what alchemy was. And people want to split it into, well, it was just protochemistry.

And some people want to say it was just a bizarre religion. And they were looking for this, you know, how to, the philosopher stone and how to make lead and the gold and all this stuff that was, it turns out. many, maybe many people didn't know this. We can't actually turn lead into gold today. It just costs more energy to produce the gold than the gold is worth. So it's not, so we actually did figure that out. It's apropos of nothing. But the, but really what it was is it was both.

It was a study of, again, the melding of science and magic. It was a study of the natural world through its component pieces, trying to break it down to what is the world made of. But it was also a philosophy of how to approach. understanding and change. And look, all the vibrations, before we go on, but all the vibrations just brought in all your other cats just as much they can feel the Reiki energy

and the healing energy in front of you. Yeah, well, this is pretty much what happens when I, all day they're sleeping, they're doing other things, they don't want it, they, I'm sitting here all day and they don't, they don't, the minute I start talking to someone, the minute I start streaming video games, I'm connected to the internet and broadcasting. They're all over me.

Like, really? Every time. Yeah, every time. Here they go, running around, being curious. Yeah. Oh, I was going to mention one other thing. You said, okay, so you said you have a spirit guide, perhaps, or voice or whatever, however, I will ask you how you clarify that, of course.

But I wanted to mention, too, that, you know, for anyone out there who's, so I'm sure my audience is split between people who find the psychology of dream interpretation, fascinating and people who are 100% into the spooky woo and i say that with love of course um and and and you know dream interpretation's always kind of ridden that line it was way more in the mystical side and then Freud and young brought it back but speaking of young he had a spirit guide that he would meditate or go into a trance or however he would do it and uh pose questions to and have a conversation with and he called that spirit guide philemon so anyone out there who's like this is just crazy talk. You don't hear, you know, if you hear voices, just get

frenic, but it's more of like, you know, as you say, coming forward, ideas, ideas coming forward. And that's what he would get from Philbond. He would summon, at least in his own mind, the, the essence of wisdom, the, the possibility of questions being answered and deeper secrets being revealed, and that voice within him would, would speak to him, and he gave it a name. And so I don't know if you want to tell me more about who or what Eric is when, you know, you discovered that voice, how it works? Well, yeah, Eric's is definitely a lot of things combine into one, as we all are.

And he did have a short stint of life, well, many short stints, well, many lifetimes, should we say, because we all have past lives, even if we want to resist that terminology or not. But that's up to the viewer and up to the perspective of yourself, Benjamin, as well. And I have, through my own studies and through my own journeys, I have discovered that, yes, past lives are very much a thing of, with many people going into a trigger warning us here is Eric's last life. He did commit the deed and took his own. life from a human perspective but now of course he's in the spiritual multidimensional realms

and helping me as I did the same thing in my previous lifetime and understanding why suicide has to come up in a spiritual aspect just as much as the physical and that also has helped me with a friends who took that path on a spiritual level just as much as them discovering how to become a spirit guide in the spiritual realms where Eric is at the same time as well. And of course Eric is a huge guide for many people as he helps people with this psychic and mediumship development when they wish to step forward into. to it and he also helps because he had mental health issues himself, hence why another component of the taking of life occurred. That was also written in his spiritual contract was just a component of that aspect just as much but he was also of bringing forward yet again if he had stayed in his physical experience

he would have definitely gone down what we are bringing forward the alchemist route and bringing forward into humanity that alchemy is yet again a true component and it's not just what you brought forward Benjamin of turning metal into alloy or steel or whatever it was and other aspects that a lot of the resistance and skepticism around alchemy to this day brings forward and what it actually can entail for a spiritual components and the multidimensional components that we see and I guess that's a good segue for me to bring forward I guess I had a past life with nostridamos Michelle which is a great he was a great alchemist just as much and as a

also quite um looked at skeptically just as much even though i'd still promote him just as much as young and freud in the greats of their times yeah very cool but yeah did you think that helps explain it or do i need to go into a bit more detail no i think it does just trying to compose my like what do i what do i what do i ask about that what do i want to know and it's uh i i guess some of the things that were popping into my head or as you say coming forward. It's a great, great phrasing for that. Come on. I just want to lean my elbows on there.

Was the idea that, uh, oh, wait, no, no, no, no. I had it. And then I had to move the cat. Um, come on. That's a great line. Had it. Then I had to move the cat. I got it.

Actually, that reminds me of the Monty Python set. Wait, uh, wait, do you have this kind of cheese? Yes, we do. Oh, nope. The cat's eaten it. That goes the cheese shop. I love those guys. They're so great.

That absurdist comedy. Well, the idea of, I also tend to think we have the capacity or ability or opportunity, perhaps, to go around more than once. I mean, that's maybe not, that's not the traditional, say, Christian worldview or even some other religions, where, you know, you get one, one time, one and done. I think that what we are is not, of course, as, of course, as. as Yoda said, this, this crude flesh or whatever, but luminous beings, you know, really we are energy or vibration or something else above our physical form. And then there's no reason we couldn't come and go as we please in a way. And that I wanted to normalize, too.

So this was actually my original thought. So that was an add-on, but I wanted to normalize the idea of passive or passive. not necessarily passive, but passing short-term temporary suicidal thoughts in that it's more common than people think. And there's a difference between thinking about the idea and feeling drawn to perform the act. What's very common is thinking about it. We all, at some point in our lives, hit a point where we realize we could. and we have to decide whether we want to or not. And now most people are like, oh, definitely not.

But the thought crosses their mind of like, oh, I could do that. Other people have done it. And then you look at their circumstances. You know, it's a possibility to self-delete. And then we have to, you know, and then some of us struggle with it more in terms of saying, well, why should I stick around? You know, not everyone's having a great time. Some people are having a really hard time.

And then, you know, that also stood in that, that tangent in my mind went to the idea that I think a lot of us, maybe all of us, it's likely have chosen to come here and experience these things. It's almost like we're, I've heard the analogy to a video game. You know, we, we select the game we want to play in the world. We want to live in and the experiences we want to have. And then we hit play. Boom, we're born. And some of us carry more of that knowing of other places and other possibilities.

But it's, but it's almost designed to not happen. as often with most people. It's like most people, if you're going to play the game right, you've got to kind of forget you're playing a game for a minute and just get into it. And it's almost better for most people if they don't. And then I'd say maybe a lot of us who are more open to that or have an awareness of it or I think it's likely that we've been somewhere else and maybe been around more than once, that those tend to be the more mystical or occult types that are looking for

or that have better insights into the human condition and whatnot because, you know, we're drawing on a larger database of experiences. I said a lot there, and I don't know if I said anything at all. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. Yeah, I think you're just trying to, from what I was gathering, from it, you're just trying to filter and decipher it with your own consciousness just as much, yeah, because I did plop a lot of ideas and, um, What's the word?

A lot of journeys of psychological nature, just as much as spiritual. And I need to, you have been bringing up the word woo-woo a lot. And I need to reiterate that my first mentor actually has a lovely little saying that she brings forward for us was, it's not woo-woo, it's true, true, meaning that there's, there's definitely more to this game than, as you mentioned already, than meets the eye. And there are obstacles, of course. And sometimes, yes, we wish to take the easy way out.

But I think at the same time, that's when a lot of the things, or even people just step up to the plate I've been finding even through COVID when I was having those intrusive thoughts just as much. I think a lot of people were. It was people just stepping up to the plate and saying, hey, if you need to talk, I'm here. And I think that's the biggest thing that if you're having those intrusive thoughts, you're always too heady and coming from a Reiki perspective,

you're unbalanced. At the time, your crown chakra or any other chakras in the body, the energy centres basically, which then co-exist with vibrations and frequencies just as much are unbalanced. And that also is promoting those intrusive thoughts

just as much as the psychology aspects just as much as I don't discredit them as going into that with Freud and Jung especially, bringing forward from his own familial ancestry as a believer looking into him, he did have a psychic mother or someone in his family was psychic in the past. Yeah, he was no stranger. Yeah, he was no stranger, definitely to the paranormal or the woo-woo,

or the alchemist style of being just as much as the psychological and the things need to be black and white but also grey where I think Freud definitely was looking at it from a good lens still but with a more black and white logical narrative which was his own spiritual journey just as much And he was almost, I think, vehemently atheist in a way of like, you know, religion just ruins everything. And it draws boundaries on things that don't. And it's oppressive and all these, he had a very negative view of spirituality in that sense.

And, of course, very rigorously scientific as well. Like, so I think Freud and Jung were having one of their final interactions or somewhere in that time frame. What was this story? I'm going to get it wrong. But like, Jung. invited Freud over to experience some kind of a knocking sound that he heard occasionally. And Freud was like, there's nothing there. I'm not going to hear anything.

You're obviously having some kind of a medical problem. And he went over there and there was a sound. And Freud was like, okay, I can't explain that. But I don't think he took it any further. He was just like, that was as far as he was willing to go is, okay, there's some things I can't explain. So, you know, they were very, their approaches were very, very different. And I always used the term, you know, Spooky Woo or, woo-woo with love because I'm

fascinated by it myself. I just, I'm not the specialist. That's not my area of expertise. So I treat it gently and hold it off to the side in a, in a very gentle and loving way. Because it's just not what I'm capable of. What I do is,

now I can't explain what I do. So there's a spooky wheel, there's a magical element to it as well. But I know that what I do draws on more. more of that scientific or psychological side of things. But it's a weird, it's a weird combination. I keep talking about bringing these things back together

and doing the gesture with my hands. It's interconnected. There's something. It's a balance. It is. There's something magical about where these inspirations and I, because we, this is what I say to people too is, we don't know where ideas come from.

We don't know where inspiration. We don't know what it is. We don't know how to make it happen. We know it when it happens. Oh, that's something I've never heard. heard before. That's something I've never thought before. We can recognize it, but we don't know what it is. We don't know what causes it to happen. We can't reliably make it happen. There's no formula for it. That's why the, you know, I think the Greek perspective that, oh, the muses sing, and

sometimes you can hear them. And if you pay attention, that's where new ideas come from. You've been inspired. Exactly. And can I go go ahead. Yeah. I'm hearing Eric talking for ways as he does. And what he's bringing forward is the narrative of just that of what you, whatever you wish to label it as. He's saying half the time it's your transition or past loved ones, giving you guidance from, and you're just in the right place, in the right frequency, and the right vibration to receive them. But just at the same time, because of our multidimensional nature,

we're also experiencing, he's bringing forward the insight and the inspiration from higher beings. And he brings forward such higher beings as the 11th dimensional white aliens. are usually the ones that promote the biggest inspiration for the human experience is what he's bringing forward, but because they are so high vibration or what steps forward is more the tinnitus medical issue. And people are always going, oh, I need to get this ringing out of my ears.

But actually, he's bringing forward, last of the time, that is your 11th dimensional guide, offering you a download. It's just half the time as having a human experience to conscious of oh something's happening with my ears internally

and I don't know what's going on and that's also why he's bringing forward half the time why doctors still or scientists don't know what causes to nitis as well as they should. at the moment because he said they will learn it down the road when both science and alchemy and mediumship and spirit step forward into that harmony and balance but until then there is

of course that human resistance for both spiritual contracts and for other reasons because it's basically saying it's a perfect timing of balancing and synchronizing events so that they can come together in a cohesive conclusion and then form new beginnings and open new doors to the aspects of what we already know about what we resist. Definitely. I'm listening and processing too. It's great too. that's one thing I should probably

and I think about this how to do this better all the time not just the dream interpretation thing but also just like talking to people because I got a pretty strong autistic streak and it's hard to I'm always thinking my own thoughts but I'm trying to listen at the same time to him what I want to be a good conversational partner that isn't just waiting for a chance to talk but has something relevant to say that builds on feeds back on

or or you know engages with what the other person's saying so you mentioned the idea of all that to say. You mentioned the idea of the white aliens. Is that what came to my mind was angels, but is it synonymous with that or is it something else? Or some people perceive it that way? Yeah, they're more with what Eric presents,

they're more extraterrestrial in nature. That's not to say that the frequencies of angels aren't, because they are. Oh, yeah. And of course, the archangel. So, speak. Yeah. Yeah, the archangel energies are definitely extraterrestrial, and yet again, I bring forward the word multidimensional in their nature, because they can heal, they can, they can bring forward corporeal forms when he says that I'm reminded of bloody supernatural and the Castile and all those.

Oh, yeah, that was a great show. Wife and I made it all the through the 10th season, and then we're like, this is kind of getting repetitious. but up till then it was fantastic. Yeah, of course. But also that's what Eric brings forward with archangels can do that. He's bringing forward. And they are one of the few that can, he's bringing forward. And usually it's like a sort of in and out sort of deliver the message

and then go back to the spiritual realms, basically. And half the time the vessel doesn't remember it or the vessel has offered themselves up on a spiritual contract level for that in and out sort of walking and then out sort of experience to deliver a message to someone who needs it at that moment of perfect timing. Yeah. Yeah. Not to stop you, but before I forget, you would also mention that Eric had a spiritual contract with you or how does that work? What is that kind of thing? I don't think I've ever heard that crazy before. All of us, we have soul family,

and Eric is definitely a member of my soul family, and that's why he sort of guides me. I think that much more, and we've also had past lives together as indigenous physical experiences in both America and in Australia as aboriginals and Native Americans, and I think through that we've also developed our shamanistic,

one with nature, one with animals, because he was always very, one with animals, even as his life, as Eric, in his previous experience. And, yeah, that much more, I think also steps forward to the alchemy because, of course, the native, I was born in Darwin Northern Territory, Australia, and that back in the late 80s, That was very crocodile country and indigenous country and also very spiritual country.

And one of the dream interpretations that I'll be bringing forward today, even stems forward very much into the extraterrestrial and native Aboriginal and, yeah, the land of Darwin at the time, which was very quite a spiritual land. It's been unfortunately gentrified now with, building development and the U.S. military energy being there now, but back in the day, it was magical and had a very alchemist or alchemic. Alchemical, I think might be the term. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the best one. Thank you. Approached to everything, and it was a very sort of laid-back lifestyle, laid-back experience, laid back existence. So I'm so grateful that I decided to jump back into a physical experience in Darwin to begin with and then go into the hustle and bustle of the big cities after that because then at least I've had the different experiences of growing up in a small country town, which is still a small city of Darwin and then now being in Melbourne, which is one of the biggest cities of Australia.

Very cool. So I can ask that. Oh, so before we transition into doing the actual dream thing between the two of us, maybe it would be interesting to talk up a little bit about your perspective and what you, so you do

dream work with clients or as I do just guests or whatever. And how would you describe your practice? How does that work for you? What would you want to say about it? Like, what's the philosophical or scientific or psychological influences that you bring to it?

Or, you know, what? So I guess what I'm trying to say? What am I trying to say? I'm trying to say, what is it like for you to do the thing? And what does the thing look like when you do it? Something like that. Of course, yeah. I think that as we bring forward and as you brought forward as well, there's approaching it from a medium.

psychic lens, there's a lot of spooky woo and woo-woo terminology coming forward because we do deal with a lot of past life, spirit, sometimes even the spirit of ancestors step forward, or the spiritual guide, the client's spiritual guide steps forward to help with the interpretation just as much, which is an interesting experience with itself. Basically what Eric's doing today with joining us in this conversation is the sort of standpoint of clear audience or clear hearing, which is the terminology of hearing spirit or hearing someone who's passed away, or even a higher dimension of being, this is much. It's bringing forward that in the regard of, yeah, trying to, I think,

find how to let go of certain things or what's stepping forward, I guess, is he's the right is the cat gone in the opposite room now, is it? This is, okay, here, this is the one time when he doesn't want to lay on my mouse pad because I'm not using it. He wants to lay on the notepad. So I tried to put him on the mouse pad because he was getting comfy.

He was going to go to sleep, like, if he was going to go to sleep, go to sleep on the mouse pad. Nope, you want to get him walk away. Forget about it. Sorry. A little distraction there, yeah, yeah. I think the biggest takeaway from the biggest takeaway for psychological things is I guess the new terminology of let them in a way and then also at the bringing it forward to what did we learn at the end of it all and the cohesion of things or even bringing forward the spooky word the word were bringing forward what were the spirits spiritual contracts just as much of this dream just as much because sometimes that can step

forward but half the time it's also just allowing for stress because half the time the client steps forward and although the time it's to do with not not closing a door in their life either over grief or the grief and the shame of having going to walk away from a job or a position or a situation in their life. But also at the same time, there has been the, we bring up Dolores Cannon here because we go into the past life stuff again, but she also brought forward the clinical psychological approach, just as much with her past life regression techniques.

It's and I try and do the same with my own interpretations. After studying her a little bit just as much, it's bringing forward that ideal of where did this start and how far back do we wish to go with this? Sometimes the client's resistant to that. Other times they want to go as far back as we can. And that usually then goes into extraterrestrial territory as well, because that could be then stemming back from either a life on Atlantis or a life in the Pallades or a life in the Syrian cluster or a life in other clusters that are outside of our own consciousness sort of thing, but still hold that trauma or that vibration or that frequency, as we were discussing before. And that then steps forward into the dream interpretation and then, or dream itself, as a stressor and as a, yeah, going back into Reiki terminology, an unbalanced aspect within themselves that needs to be addressed.

But that then goes into all multidimensional aspects of what we are at the same time. So yeah, there's a lot of... There is. There's a lot of looking into with it. And I'm sure you know yourself that there is, yeah. No, for sure. I'm trying to listen carefully, but also, like, compare your experience to mine and find similarities of, like, when are we using different words to talk about the same thing?

So what would I compare this to? So my experience of it is definitely that I'm not the source of, of the suggestions I make to people. So number one, I don't tell people what's happening. I ask them if something makes sense. If, you know, I'm seeing, I'm getting, I'm thinking, all of these different phrases I use for it.

So in trying to, I tell people I don't understand what I do. And I don't think I understand it. I can't explain it very well. But what it feels like to me is I properly attune my vibrations to, using your, your, your, your terminology, so to speak. I properly orient myself or open myself to the spirit of being helpful to the other person. And, and I say it that way because I, what it feels like to me or what the experience of it is, is, is something beyond myself that, that I, that I, that I have to welcome in in a way. And it's not a, these are, these are terminology I normally wouldn't use, but like a, but I, but I, but I, I,

I'm not possessed by a spirit. I don't hear Eric or anything like that. And I always tell people I don't communicate with spirits. I don't hear the voice of God necessarily. But at the same time, I think metaphorically, that's kind of what it is. I'm just having a different experience of it than it seems like you're describing. But it's like two roads to the same path. So what it feels like,

to me is that I open myself up to the spirit of being beneficial and then that spirit works through me in a way that it just makes suggestions that are hopefully relevant and useful to the person and get them to see themselves in their situation in a way that gives them more understanding, more control over themselves, their environment. So there's no, there's simply because it's not the framework from which I tend to communicate on this subject, but it, it feels synonymous with the idea of, you know, having spirit guides come to me that may be related to the person. They, you know, if someone were to ask me, are you sure those ideas are not coming from a relative or, or, or, or, um, caretaker

angel of this person? No, I have no idea where these ideas come from. That is entirely possible. And perhaps even likely, um, you know, so this is also where I try to be, very careful of like, I set the spooky woo aside because I can't explain it and I'm not sure. If I was sure, you know, if I had your experience, I would be using your language, but I'm having my experience, which is, I don't know how I do this. Exactly. And I'm being reminded. Yeah, I'm being reminded as you explain this and I'll use it. You use this term that I kept hearing when you were explaining it. And I think it sums it up quite well for anyone who's trying to explain anything, you, me or anyone, it's, it's,

I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. That comes from your own, yeah, yeah. It comes from your own understanding, yeah. It's, in some ways, it's almost like asking a professional basketball player, how do you sync those perfect three-pointers that don't even touch the net, or nothing but net? They don't touch the rim. And he'd be like, I mean, I just do it. I just, shoot the ball and I'm like, what do you mean you shoot the ball? Well, it's in my hand and then I push it. I use my muscles and then it does the thing.

And I'm like, you can't. And at a certain point, you just go, nobody knows. How do, how does, how do excellent perform, how does someone achieve an excellence of performance that seems to come naturally to them in the zone type of type of thing? They just do it. It's just something they can do. And then they've developed it as a, you know,

you start with the raw talent and you put some work into it. And then you got nothing but net on, on that three-pointers. I'm not even a sports guy. That just came to my mind, too. Where do these ideas go from? Why did that analogy? Why did I choose that?

I don't know. It came to me and I decided to say it. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. The same terminology just in a different perspective of, I can explain it for you, to the cows come home, but unless you understand it. That's also a great internet insult, too, when someone is being a bit of a jerk and they're like, well, you haven't proven your point.

You just tell them, look, I can explain it. I can't understand it for you. I get too many internet arguments. There is that too. Yeah. No, no. I think bringing forward that terminology is useful because, of course, we all understand things in our own time. That's true.

And as you were even bringing forward, you might not hear, we're bringing back into the equation. at the moment like I do, but that might just be because with your own spiritual contract at the moment, you're not wishing to hear as clearly of spirit because there's a limiting belief or perspective that you're wanting to bring forward in that, or even a wound possibly, that's causing resistance without you even knowing it, which is how I've had to overcome. A lot of those things moving forward with this stuff, especially with the woo-woo, with people looking down and they know that you go, oh, you sure you don't have schizophrenia?

Yep. And you're going, well, no, I don't think so. And, yeah, there's just been, like with the Freud and Jung experiment of the noise, there's been way too many things that, have been unexplained that have happened around me with clients and with just myself and with family that I can't even studying schizophrenia and bipolar to the level that I have. I just have to go, well, no, yes, there is mental conditions, but this sings that much more spooky woo, woo, woo, in comparison.

Yeah, yeah, and unexplained, yeah. Well, it's great having my experience, too, because I spent 20 years working inpatient psychiatric with people at their worst, at the height of the most debilitating conditions, get sprenia, bipolar, et cetera. And so I think I have a pretty good gut feeling of the difference between someone who's mentally ill,

and that's just what it is, that the experience they're having is one kind of thing. And then other folks, that are having a different experience that is honestly something else. Now, I've, I've given a lot of thought throughout, throughout the years to the possibility that, um,

people who say they're, you know, demons are screaming at them and that's what they hear that, that maybe that's really demons. I've given that, I've given that due consideration and I have not come to rule it out as a possibility. Um, and maybe even then,

uh, there's something we can do physically to block those things out with the, with, with the medications that are given to people. So whether, whether, or not, it seems to work that the meds reduce the negative experience of those types of symptoms. And then there's other folks who are just like, you know, I'm a psychic medium or I hear

the voices of ancestor spirits. And it's funny, when you say it that way, ancestor, the voice of my ancestor spirit does. For some reason, the Western world is like, oh, that, well, that's shamanistic. That gets a lot more respect than saying, I'm a psychic or I hear spirit voices and you're not, not quite a shaman. You don't have a claim on that that myth mythologized history in a lot of ways of, you know, native, native shamans and whatnot. Like, they get a pass. They weren't crazy.

They were, they were primitive. So, of course. Right. Of course what they experienced was probably real. Very interesting the way we look at things. I'd like, too, that you mentioned that, you know, maybe there's a part of me that is still stuck a little bit in the, why do I have to describe it the way I do? Why do I have to say, now what I do isn't spooky woo. That's not, that's not what it is.

Maybe I'm a little too defensive on that. Maybe I, what I think I'm doing is trying to explain where I'm coming from. And that doesn't mean that I don't have reasons for rejecting it, that maybe aren't as, they aren't scientific. They aren't valid. That's not the word I'm looking for. But there may be roadblocks that I have not yet removed because I haven't identified because I don't want to look at them because I don't like the implication.

Now, is that true? I don't know, but I'm open to it. And I'm not, I'm not going to dismiss that possibility out of hand. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, well, we're about, go ahead. That's the best, I'm sorry. Yeah, I think that's the best way to look at it because I know a lot of people who are there, bring forward the word again, resistant to that fact of going, oh, no, that's you, that's me,

and that's all very well and good, but then at the same time, that's when things I bring up again, like COVID step forward, which is a metaphorical and quite literal spiritual closing of the door that could have been. And then that happens continuously because we're always experiencing flowing effects in both the spooky woo woo woo and the physical and the logical and the black and white just as much as the grey. And it's bringing that into cohesion and balanced, as we've already discussed, it's bringing forward that going into, do I need to sit down and write about this?

Because that has helped me in the past with getting my thoughts out of my head, getting my conscious. He's having a past life there looking at your face, I think. Oh, was he? Yeah, he'll just stare at me. But that's, oh, no, you were just saying something, and it inspired a thought, and then I lost it. That happens all the time.

No, the Egyptian past life has definitely coming through with this black cat in front of you. Yeah, yeah. Well, we, I mean, the idea of strange coincidences, sync criticisms, synchriticities and and, um, uh, serendipitous circumstances. Those really resonate with me. And I, because of the, I've had so many right place, right time things happen. And he is, that's a, why, why do I mention that? What's the connection?

He is right back on the notepad, right, but I moved it over there. You can't. You can't. Um, you know, he, he is here with me today because of right place, right time. My wife had to run an errand. Now, why did she have to have to? to run an errand, maybe because she didn't do it earlier in the day. And why at that particular time?

Because it was, she was available or who knows what, what, but she went to a store, to the store at a particular time. And it was on her way back. She was passing a fence and she heard, you know, through the little gap in the fence, a kitten crying. And it was him and he was abandoned. And we brought him home and he's alive today because we fed him. And all of those things, you know, as they say, the stars aligned.

The stars had to align. She had to go to the store. the right time. He had to be there at the right time. She's walking home. You know, and that means earlier the day other dominoes needed to be set up so that she wasn't ready to go to the store at the wrong time to miss him. Now, what does it mean? I'm not entirely certain. How many cats have we not rescued because we're wrong place, wrong time? All I know is for sure, she wouldn't have found him if she wasn't there for a reason in a way. Uh, so anyway, that's, that, that kind of leans into my idea of like I see so many of those circumstances everywhere.

You know, probably 20 years ago, I wasn't ready to be doing what I'm doing right now. I had to go through what I did first to get here. And I think that's true. I think a lot of the psychological principles are also spiritual principles that have been true for centuries. Yeah, yeah. Millennia. And I think, yeah.

And I think, I think young, yet again, bring back. to Carl again, he is the perfect example that we can both have a balanced cohesion of the two mediums of psychological and the woo-woo being true true in that same vein because of him having bringing forward those spiritual contracts with his familial ancestors yet again. and saying, yes, I want to be the catalyst who plants the seeds of change in the psychological community, even if they're not ready for it or not. Yeah, one of the phrases. Go ahead.

No, I'm just ending it with, I'm the one, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. And I'm sure you would have probably put on his spiritual country. I'm the ones that plant seeds and change in various aspects. of everything. Yeah, I think he was trying to keep one, one foot on each side. And that's what I like to do, too, is, you know, not, uh, not leading too far away with balance you were talking about earlier. I'm very obsessed with, I actually, I mean, I have so many weird thoughts and I think it's true, uh, which is why I say it. Here's what I think. Uh, I think the yin yang is one of the oldest names for God. In a way, it's like one of the most ancients. I think it's far older than people realize the idea of a, of the wholeness of a circle. but it's divided in half. It's, it's, it's, it's the balance of opposites. It's, you know, day, night, male, female, up down.

It's the wholeness created from the sum of its parts. So that is more than the sum of its, all of that kind of great stuff. So that's, so I have a very deep, I will never fully dismiss the spiritual and whatnot. But I was, but as I was saying, I think it's all, I think it's all the same thing. And we've, we've, lately have a false dichotomy now between, science and spirituality. I think, and this is, we were talking, you mentioned Atlantis earlier,

and I've always had a, I guess a special place in my heart for the theory of Atlantis, and lately it's come to me, and as you say, it's coming through, from where, who knows, but, um, well, I know, just to come in for a second here. Go ahead. And with, um,

you, you did also speak about the age of a question. are stepping forward and I am an Aquarian and a Piscese and myself. I am also Pisces. Yeah, yeah. There you go. Something special about us, of course. I'm Pisces in my, um, um, my, my moon chart.

And so of course that's, uh, heavily divine, feminine and masculine at the same time. Um, and of course, Aquarian by, um, by birth. And, um, and I think that brings forward a huge dichotomy, That might not be the right word. A huge, well, let's bring forward balance again, with Atlantis stepping forward because even recently, I even myself,

went on a shamanic journey and discovered my own past life in Atlantis of being a sun goddess slash Atlantean princess in one lifetime in Atlantis that has heavily stepped forward. And through that lifetime, there was an ability to going into Woo-Woo and scientific ability to share a bit, because even with science, they're bringing forward how we can do it a little bit more. She brought forward that there was, we had the ability to remote view.

And that intrigued me to no end because it is such a hugely debated topic of, can that actually be a thing of remote viewing? And she basically just brought, well, yeah, we did it when we were in Atlantis and we still have the ability to, even in your lifetime as Samuel. And so it's interesting that you bring forth, people bring up Atlantis just as much because I just keep hearing Atlantis is, to use the coy term rising,

but at the same time it has always been with us. It's just, I think I bring forward after COVID again, we are more accessible for that frequency, for that vibration, for that energy to step forward to say, hey, we are still here. Remember who you are. Quoting the lying thing a bit there. Yeah, yeah. For sure.

Absolutely. But it makes a complete sense, yeah. For sure. Well, my, you know, I've always had a fast fascination. We said, Atlantis has always had a special place in my heart as a place that, you know, at least existed mythologically, in a sense. And lately it's, it's. And this is over the course of years and years of being, you know, not deep study, but fascination, therefore returning to the subject and listening to new ideas on it.

And you've probably heard, or you might be familiar with the, I believe his name is Graham Hancock. I think he's put forward the, not only was Atlantis Real, but it was destroyed by the, the great flood of the, about 12,000, 20,000. 12,500 years ago, ish. So putting all these things together in my head is that we've got, you know, Greek sources, which is how we know what happens, Aristotle or Plato, I think Plato was Socrates's student, I think, writing, you know, having Socrates described, well, there was this place called Atlantis. And what I'm always trying to do, and this is a huge tangent, but I think it's fascinating.

So whatever, right? What I'm always trying to do is make sense of these mythological stories in a way that demythologizes them in a sense. So this relates a bit maybe to the work of Dr. Jordan Peterson when he talks about the Bible stories and Noah and the time of the flood. And I've got that actually, I've fit that into my theory that I'm formulating. But anyway, what I think, what we've been told or what most people have in their mind is that Atlantis was this island city or civilization, whatever, on and I, and that somehow it sank beneath

the waves. if there was, it was as if the, as if an island could sink. It's like the peak of a mountain coming out of the water. It doesn't work that way. Now, sometimes you get an earthquake and the, the, or if it was a volcano, it blew up and destroy, you know, but, but I think it wasn't like that. I think it was, if you look at old, like, if you conjure into your mind, the old maps of the Roman Empire and how they went from like the tip of Spain all the way back around

to Morocco on the other side or whatever's, whatever's, um, North Africa on there. And it was a civilization that existed all. around the Mediterranean. And so what I'm thinking is that that's what Atlantis was. It wasn't an island city. It was the, it was the, and it wasn't even called Atlantis. And they didn't speak, or if they did speak Atlantean, it wasn't, they didn't call it that. So what I'm trying to say is I think it's very likely that there was a, it's not that we

came out of the Stone Age two or three thousand years ago. We came out of the Stone Age like 15, 20,000. thousand years ago and then that damn comet hit and sent and what the way they described is they don't say atlantis sank they said it was swallowed by the sea so what happens if you have a giant tidal wave that goes inland it destroys everything it swallows the civilization that giant tidal wave washed up the mediterranean and just wiped out everything and then what we get with the biblical stories is the re is the story of the rebuilding after the flood most most of it i mean we get the know a story pretty early in Genesis and how they put all these things together. So what I try not to do

is take things and say, oh, the Bible, that's just all fantasy. I think it's based on historical fact. I am not a Christian. I don't believe Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. But I think it's telling a true history, but, but in a in a mythologized way. Like, what did I say recently? So there were two things, just to run these by and then I'll shut up for a second. But I think house cats, came from a breeding program in Atlantis. Now, remember, Atlantis, not just one little city state on an island, but the entire civilization that spanned, you know, encircled the Mediterranean. And that was back when science and religion, so you basically had priests, we're the scientists.

It was science and religion was one. This is my estimation of it. And they saw what happened with dogs. We saw that over tens of thousands of years, these giant wolves, were bred and domesticated into our companion dog animals. And they said, I bet we can do that with cats on purpose on a much smaller time frame. And because science and religion were one,

and that breeding program was a religious practice for them, the leftover we get is the Egyptian cat worship. When they rebuilt their society from the ashes after the flood. This might be, this is all new theories. Where am I coming from? I made it up. It's in my head. This is just,

I'm thinking my way. through it. No, Ben, don't even, don't any discredit that Eric's saying there is,

there is validity to this. So keep going here. At least some on the right track with that. Well, then the other thing I was going to say is that, um,

uh, oh, was it, was it? Oh, and that the, um, story of Noah,

so, uh, I think it's much older than people think, you know, if you're doing biblical chronology, you'd say the world started 6,000 years ago now. The other thing is, too is like,

okay, so if the Bible's true, or if, certain things are true in the Bible, how are they true? The exegesis matters. And so my, my theory on that is that the world did start again from scratch as if newly created after that flood. But then that, that storyline got mixed up anyway. Some of the things aren't exactly as presented. They get moved around in the story to make more sense. But so what I think Noah was, was an Atlantean astronomer who, and yes, they had telescopes. Whatever technology they were, they were able

to refine glass into lenses. They had that technology back there. Maybe they didn't have flying cars and energy weapons. Maybe that's all, that is all unproven. And I'm not going to defend that. And I don't know anything about it. And maybe that's completely made up. But I think he would, okay, so I think Noah was an Atlantean astronomer

that saw this comic coming and say, hey, usually they're going sideways with a tail. This one's coming straight at us and it's getting closer. And he tried to warn his fellow scientific community. And they said, never going to happen. So what did he do? he took he either built a boat because he knew it was coming but he didn't know when you know he's like how fast is a common move i don't know what it's coming it's coming get ready for it uh something's going to happen it's the end of the world you know do what you can i don't know if there was ever actually

a boat involved maybe that might have been uh added to the story later but i think at the very least he's like this thing's coming and i want to go the furthest away from any problems so he took his family and maybe a small community up into the hills on a mountain top and like we're going to live here because you're all going to be destroyed and I don't want to be around for that. And he may not have even lived to see the fruition of that. But, you know, but then this. So where do these stories come from is what I'm looking for? What makes sense? So if you mix the Atlantis and, and biblical stories together, you get, that's, that's, these are, these are crazy thoughts I have. Why do I say crazy? I have nothing to

back it up. I just think it. I just think it and it makes sense to me. And I, what if? What if? What if? And I share it. So I'll stop there though. Those, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's something has been going through my head lately. Yeah. Well, to go on with that before going to the dream interpretations more, I think what I'm hearing from Eric is that that's your own, yet again, we bring forward the shamanic theory of that is your ancestors talking to you and you're basically gaining their insights through what you believe as autistic

narrative, but at the same time, hearing, hearing them speaking to you and recognizing it in your own vernacular and your own narrative, if you wish to understand it just as much as that, but that's what's coming forward for me, at least, to explain it for you a little bit. Yeah, yeah. At the very least, it's a fascinating, what if, you know, I'm always trying to make these, because I don't want to throw out any old stories as just stories, especially when they're metaphorically meaningful when they teach us something about human nature. And what I do is I take the, say, the Bible,

I take it less literally and more seriously in that sense. I think there's something there's something there's a, I think it's a tremendous collection of human wisdom and true stories that maybe never happened or at least didn't happen the way people think they did. So I talked about all of that stuff. Yeah, that's right. But I'm hearing that they, as we know, in the psychic industry and also in the science industry, yes, the Bible was heavily doctored for the masculine, egoic narrative, unfortunately,

and fortunately to balance out and to help those who need it, basically, and who have signed up the spiritual contracts to pursue that lifestyle, either as a priest or as a nun or as just their life journey, other physical experience, with either Catholicism or other religious means or even just, I did have that word and now it's gone.

I just had to bring it back to that. I guess going back into the whole Jordan Peterson thing of the philosophical debate with Stephen Frye and all that sort of stuff, but at the same time, how he de mystifies it just as what you are bringing forward of, yes, there is more to this than meets the eye. And yes, this was a heavily doctored story. And yes, but there is also truth behind it. And there is, because what you were even bringing forward just then, what is, um, is a little bit seen also in the Book of Enoch, which is heavily banned in church circles, I must I say.

Terrific. Yeah, and that's basically bringing forward with the Nephilim and the Leviathan stories. There were these creatures, and there were, of course, as we were speaking about this before, there are angels and they did come down but they were also probably in their extraterrestrial form when they came down and as you were bringing forward I am hearing a big yes to that was in the time of what we knew as Atlantis and other

old civilizations such as the Mayans and the Aztecs and everything that we knew as old because even they went back even further than when we know is what I'm hearing. And they were also a part of the Atlantis Empire before it all broke away and they went in different ways either on land or sea and I'm hearing that the Maori of the New Zealand culture were a part of the Atlantis Empire for a little while. just as much. Yeah, might have been much bigger

than any of my things. Which is very interesting to hear. Yeah. Because it always seemed to me like they, unlikely that, you know, if we've been human,

roughly what we are today for 350,000 years or so, I think that's the oldest. And we may find out it's longer than that, but I can't believe we would have been in the stone age for, you know, 300 and,

was it, for 350,000, for 340,000 years. And then, suddenly the light switch went on and now we said then we started building machines and so i think we did it long before then and just that's that's what we go with the lost lost civilizations and whatnot is you know what what what did they have what did they know what and what did they build things out of that it would not survive you know not everything was made of stone and clay those things we can

find metal and and other different objects because they were they are they are preservable but what if they were using technologies that were more biologically based or, or, you know, other things that do not preserve well over time. And, and how much of that stuff is buried just deep enough that we haven't even dug down to look for it. And that's all the, the topsoil and whatnot that got dispersed with the great flood and whatnot just up the hills and then down to the valleys, everything buried, gone, destroyed. So no wonder, we're not finding evidence of it. But anyway, that's a whole. That's my, my Atlanta's tangent. Yeah, when you, when you bring that up, though, Benjamin, there's, I did just hear that there is a hollow earth.

And that there are fragments of Atlantis culture down in that hollow earth. Anything that would have survived. Yeah. That is great too. Yeah, well, it fell through the cracks just is what you were bringing forward. And at the same time, Eric is saying there are huge components of leftover. Atlantean, what's the word? Technology or infrastructure and structures that we get, that we can,

that we are yet to even fathom as our own society, as he said they were, and still are in the energetic senses, just as much as having a parallel sense. Is the, um, um, not as far as he'd say with the the flying car aspect, he saying, no, that's more futuristic. Yeah. And that will happen in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, the alien hybrid program that was happening in, um, in the area at the. same time.

There was also a lot of extraterrestrial genome that we still have is what is bringing forward. And that's why we have so much extraterrestrial nature, even though we think it's all, it's all up in the solar system. No, we've got a lot of genomes of extraterrestrial capabilities within ourselves as humans, just as much. But it's more bringing it back to the hollow earth aspect. It's definitely more, there's creatures, there's individuals down there that are still living from the Atlantic era.

But we have yet to find them because yet again, the perfect, the time is not right. And also, that would seem so native to us that we would just want to eradicate. their civilization immediately because it would cause that much more resistance because we're not at that level yet of understanding is what he's bringing forward to say hey this is the discovery no it would be no send in the troops gun them down now would be the response is what he's bringing forward yeah yeah which is drastic and sad but he's saying that's where we're still at unfortunately as yeah um as a society. Yeah. Well, just as there are people, you know, and so there's like the macrocosm, microcosm thing. So the, the human race follows similar patterns to a human person in a way that, you know,

you can only do what you know and you can only have an understanding that has come to you at the right time. And before that, you didn't know it. And after that, now you can deal with it because now you've had the idea. There's a, there's a moment of epiphany for things. And so I think the human race is still pretty young. in terms of a lot of where we're going spiritually. That's always made sense to me. And that if you just look at our recent history,

there's times before we knew it was wrong to enslave other people, to put them under your total control and abuse them and force them to work for you. And then one day we had an idea of, hey, what if this isn't such a great idea? And then that began the change, the revolution that hasn't quite finished spreading around the world, but at the very least in a lot of different countries we go, We no longer believe that's okay. We're not going to do that anymore. Even if it had been, it had been done 10,000 years before,

and for all of recorded human history, at a certain point, a new idea or emerged, an idea whose time had come, they say. And, you know, you can't really judge people before that for not knowing, because no one had ever thought of it before, taking it seriously or really accepted it and had that idea spread. And now we know, and I think that's another thing that's coming for us, too, is being accepting, getting to a point where our first response would not be

to try and eradicate. something different because it appears threatening to who knows what you know the maybe the little people think it's it's dangerous because they don't understand it and the big people or the powers of the be say well this threatens our power so of course we're going to destroy it we we don't want to give up our power just so the human race can advance why would we do that um but you know uh i'm sure we can talk for another hour on this stuff this i'm having a great time and it and i think you are too but we should probably do the do the dream thing but at the very least in terms of um And I didn't know how you wanted to approach this.

I think it was a segue. Right? Yeah, yeah. We got it to do it at some point. I don't know if you had a dream that you already or that you need help understanding. Yeah, I've got a few that I wish to bring to the table today. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, the, so. Well, when I've talked to other, you know, practitioners who have their own methods and even just some folks who they feel like sometimes they'll bring me dreams that they feel like they already understand, but they want a fresh take on it, just to see what I can come up with. So where are you out on that? Are you, are, did you have something that you, um, you think you already understand and you want to, you want to stump the wizard? Or do you, uh, something you, you're not really sure what to do with. You want to just share that and we'll explore it.

How did you want to approach? Yeah, I think, I think it's the letter. Okay. Um, share it. Explain what I, what I, what I've gauged from it and then explore it from your, your own learned explanations and understanding it as well. Let me do this here. I'm trying to write out of time and I already screwed it up 0.01. 30.

There we go. Okay, so as per my usual process, I just shut up and listen. Our friend Sam here's going to tell us his dream and then we're going to try and figure it out together. So I'm ready when you are. Benjamin the dream wizard wants to help you. Here's the veil of night and shine the light

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two thousand years that's benjamin the dream wizard on youtube and at benjamin the dream wizard dot com yes so when i was little uh in darwin yet again we go back to where i was born i'd always had this frightening dream where and it was repetitive um so this happened more than once i'd say more than ten times this this um figures would step forward and they were very sort of indigenous but then i'd learned um later through spirit guides that um that there was an extra terrestrial component just as much as the native component and of the Northern Territory land just as much of elements because they do present themselves in this dream these figures would step forward and there would be this very divinely masculine but

very scary sort of liquid based elemental man figure that was would have frightened the shit out of me as a young child, of course. And I'd hide under the covers, but then they'd always sort of calm me down somehow. And then they'd take me out to the balcony that was like a little balcony that would overlook the mangrove trees. And there used to be a huge car thing. Well, I guess, desperate place of land with one tree is the best way to. described us out the front on the on the on the on the balcony when you looked at and then beyond

that would be these huge groves of mangrove trees and of course um crocodile country of course at further out the ocean and bringing that forward when this liquid figure would bring me out to the balcony immediately there would be a face in a cloud that would then blow wind down to us. And then, of course, I'm sure it would have spoken to us. Because each time I progressed with this dream, it would then I could stay in the dream for longer, I suppose. Because half the time when I first had it,

when that cloud came down, that scared me even more so, and I'd wake up immediately in the very beginnings of this experience. But as I developed, I suppose, I was able to sort of concentrate and focus enough to stay in the dream and be one with this liquid figure and with this cloud with a face on it. And what came to me after this was a lot of, extraterrestrial lineage and past life lineage with the planet and the system Orion and also being a extraterrestrial in a past life on that planet just as much and that ancestral lineage stepping forward just as much but also then hearing from Eric Orion has a huge claim for the land of the Northern Territory at the same time and also there's a lot of lineage through the planetary alignment of Orion

that has come into the indigenous culture of Australia with the Aboriginal culture, such as the rainbow serpent, the bunyips, and all that mythology has come from basically extraterrestrial energies from Orion as there is a huge component of both Orion, Syrian and Palladian, ancestry in Aboriginal culture that we're unaware of, of course, of having a human experience, but that, just like with the Atlantis stuff, steps forward that much more heavily with the indigenous land of Darwin. And I think that was also stepping forward for me saying to me the same time,

you are a medium, you are a psychic, at the same time, even in that youth that I was to, of course, as we discussed, afraid at the time to even, and I think that also probably has led to some limiting beliefs and some wounds that stepped forward that I've had to, of course, work through through basically writing all this down to make sense of it and then also promoting a lot of psychologists had thought that it was about my father issues at the same time growing up because my father sort of abandoned us because of him having um there was domestic violence in the household between him and my mother um later on but i think that was just a very small component of that um from a psychological standpoint but from a

spiritual and extraterrestrial standpoint there is that much more together. But I hope that helps you understand that dream interpretation as far as I've gotten with it at least. Sure, sure, yeah.

And it's very common for people to have a lot of their own insights if they think about it and if you've spoken with other people about it for sure. And that is a very interesting connection. So we could say

that, you know, what is this divine masculine figure but made out of fluid? And what came to my mind is, is, um, the idea of fluid being changeable, changing. And so if we were to relate it to your father, it would make sense in a way that, you know, some days he would be the, uh, or for one moment to the next perhaps, you know, a loving father and there may be an aggressive ape, you know, and there's a fluidity of that is.

And the fluid, fluid meaning not solid, not, not one thing, but many things. and likely to change into something else unpredictably. There could be something there. So that might be an element to it. It might not be the only element. It might not even be an element at all. It might be completely in the wrong direction. But if you were to ask me, okay, how is this related?

Another way of looking at it as well. Sure. Yeah. But then so even if we crystallize that as an answer for something, but then why does this thing come to you and take you out to the balcony to show you the world? in a way. So there's, if we go with that idea of, you know, another aspect of your father, perhaps is, um, was or should be. And that's, it's tough to sort those things out too. Sometimes sometimes dreams reflect reality. Sometimes they reflect the, the alternate reality

we would have preferred is like, you know, even if my father was a, was a scary, fluid masculine presence, still he's showing me the world now either through his behavior, his example or through, you know, did he, before he took, how old were you, when he was no longer in your life? Oh, well, I think these dreams even happened after he left. Left, so it was quite early on, yeah. I was just wondering how old you were when he left, so we get an idea of what your perception of him could have been.

Two, three years old, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, they're quite a little odd, yeah. I mean, that also makes, if we layer on the idea of your sense of who he actually was what could have been quite fluid as well too. There's something about this elemental fluidity that's that's important to you. You know, it's, that means maybe your opinion of him hadn't fully taken shape as well, you know,

that he's just really your, he's a scary, masculine fluid presence, you know, like an elemental, like a, like a thing that is beyond your, you know,

vastly more powerful than you, but also, you know, you were scared of it, but never did anything aggressive. And I don't know if there was any domestic violence directed towards you. It's actually not uncommon, but it's not always a one-to-one ratio that if the man's beaten up his wife, he's also beaten up the kids.

As they get older, maybe, but very small kids, usually they don't get smacked around too much. So that may not have been part of your experience at all. But. No, it wasn't, thankfully. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah. So even though you were terrified, actually, go ahead. Yeah, the same time we're bringing forward.

And I think why the psychologist back in the day brought this forward was, and I'm hearing now, this figure was a past life father figure for me at the same time. And I think that then in a psychological standpoint, then at the same time brings forward my father is still a multi-dimensional being just as myself and my mother and everyone around me. Of course, that aspect of the father figure being fluid steps forward because, yes, it was a, it was a, you know, again, I use the word, an ancestral or a past life father figure that was stepping forward where my father in this lifetime had a sole contract and a spiritual contract to say, I can't do that for you. Mm-hmm. So this past life figure, father figure, step forward to be the intervening essence to be that guiding fluid light of, I can be anything you need me to be. So the thing is what you're bringing for, Benjamin. Yeah. Sure.

No, and that too. And I wouldn't. Smack on. Maybe so. And, you know, on another level, a lot of times I try and get out of, and this is very funny thing. It's what I do with the mythological stories. as I lovingly say, mythological stories in the Bible is,

it doesn't have to be exactly the way it was represented to be meaningful. Maybe it happened, but it didn't happen the way the story is told. And this was another point I was going to make earlier, too. And this relates to the dream things. I'm glad it came back. You've got so many stories in the Bible.

Now, imagine the actual story of Noah could have filled multiple volumes of several books, like telling everything and how it happened. But what came down to them was fragments of the original. So they only had so much to work with, but it was still good material. And then they had to cram it into a Bible

and just a few lines of text because they got a thousand other stories to tell to get them all into this one book. So I think that's how things get. And I think that's a fantastic analogy for the way dreams work too, is they've got so many interconnected things and it crams it all into this one issue.

So this is why I tell people to hold on to these suggestions very loosely. So you brought to the table a past discussion. It makes a lot of sense. It could have been literally your father. It could have also been this figure, this elemental, a representation of your connection to your, representation of your relationship with the divine masculine itself.

And all you had to go on was your father's example so far. But you knew that wasn't complete. Some part of you maybe knew that wasn't complete. So maybe this figure isn't actually your father, but it's the concept of a father, of a history. Or as you were saying, you know, historical or familial past life. And all of that stuff can be can be in there too. So it's so sometimes we pick a person who represents a thing and it's not about the person. It's about the thing.

But we understand the thing through the person. So that's that's kind of where I'm going with that. So the figure may not have been actually your father, but the concept of. a father, the concept of the divine masculine itself. I don't think the psychologist hit it right on the board, but she did hit it right on the nail and the head

for the, but it was a father figure, of sorts. Yeah, yeah, more leaning in that direction. He's up to interpretation, yeah. Yeah, and the thing is, it definitely wasn't female, so we're not talking about it. I like to do counterfactuals. What are we not talking about here?

How do we? Of course, yeah. I think the wheat from the chaffir of this stuff, too. Yeah, the facing the, yeah, the, the cloud definitely felt more divine feminine. Fair enough. Yeah, we had even, we had a, we had a mother aspect coming down in the wind. Yeah. Yep, it's just so fascinating. So you're in your bedroom and you're able to hide under the cover, so to speak, to avoid this thing.

It's like, this is the dream experience you're having. It felt very visceral. It always felt very real. none of it felt like a dream. And like I said, it kept happening. They almost never do. They almost never do feel like dreams. That's the weirdest thing about dreams.

No matter how bizarre it is, we almost never go, oh, this is wrong. This doesn't happen in reality. It's like, no, this is reality. Whatever it is. I'm on a spaceship. I'm under the ocean. I'm a fish. We don't.

Well, you are. Two fish. Two fish, yes. That's another reason. the yin yang is always uh anyway it's been special to me i got my own personal reasons so yeah and then there's what is not happening here so as i was saying you know it's it was not a female elemental it's definitely male masculine or whatever you you were the liquid to put it in perspective is the male was the liquid um one that would come to me at my bed the female would be the the the cloud

i felt more feminine even though it sort of had a mixture of between androgynous like somewhat, like half the time what archangels look like when you meet them in the mediumship sort of form when you're talking to them in that regard. They always look very androgynous, but they always, half the time they always have very long hair, but they present this very androgynous humanoid figures for your human experience, which I'm sure they're not truthfully because they're energy and frequency. and they can present themselves in any way they need to, but that's how they sort of present when you're a medium with your pain, your gland and third eye response. Yeah.

Anyway, that's a tangent. No, no, that's okay. To explain my, a little bit of my perspective, too, is I, there's this idea we have, and it comes to us through media, through storytelling and literature and graphic representations that, you know, of a human-looking figure with wings, and they're very tall and,

pale perhaps and a white robe and I don't know that any of that is we reach for ways to describe something that is indescribable and we end up with things that aren't even close but kind of get the idea across um so i i've said lately and i think it's true that i believe angels and demons are more real than the physical world we can touch with our hands the the desk, the bottle, you know, the cat. Oh, I'm glad of nature, Benjamin. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I think I'm preaching to the choir on this one, too. But what does that mean exactly? It's like the idea of being real is that there are like categories are real, like day and night are real, even if there's a twilight and a dawn and there's the blending of the two. There's, you know, the great gray areas. But, you know, if you draw a circle in the sand and you have a rock in your hand and you look at the circle, there is no rock in the circle. The rock cannot be in the circle and not in the

circle at the same time. And then you take it and you put it in the circle and now the rock is inside the circle. So there's an inside outside thing. Those are inside and outside are very real. And we can see it in the physical world. It's not just a phenomenon of the physical world. So this is another way I describe it too. There are angels and demons that both provide wisdom. And one of them, one of them is Uriel, the angel, angel of knowledge or wisdom or understanding. And then there's the demon of, of, uh, in charge of that. And you can learn from them too. And that would be Stolus. Uh, these are just the examples of so you've got Uriel and stolis or the angel and the demon. You can get information and wisdom and whatnot from both of them.

But I think of it as, you know, um, summoning the spirit of Uriel is going to learn at the feet of a master. Let me, let me do this the easy way. Let me find someone who knows what they're talking about and have them give to me safe. and wisely the right information that will be useful and, you know, and the, the process less unpleasant. And you got Stolus. And Stolus is more like the school of hard knocks. Oh, you're going to do it that way.

You're going to fuck around. We're going to find out. And you're going to learn a lesson. And it's not going to be pleasant. So that's, I think of that is the difference between angels and demons. And we, we know, we know that the phenomenon of learning new things happens. You, there's no rock in the circle. And now the rock is in the circle.

And that's a very real thing, even if it's a metaphysical thing. And we also know we've made mistakes and learned the hard way. So if you think of these things as experiences, the category of experience exists. And that's how I conceive of angels and demons. If you welcome. And I think that's why people have that perspective of I've got an angel and a demon on my shoulder. And what you've just presented just then is that crime example. And the old Tin Tin Comics representation of that was the shows that amazingly,

if you go back to Hurg's great comics and they really sort of represent that narrative of what you were bringing forward just then. And to add on, Ben, Uriel actually is a, is, is, you just as much a protector as the archangel Michael, I'm hearing to bring forward just as much as of the arcane knowledge that you were stepping forward with as well. And they are, and she is, because they're both the Ying and the Yang, when she needs to step forward as she does, when he needs to step forward as a he, he does. And then, of course, you see something?

I just saw a ghost at your door. Possibly. I know the wind the wind's blowing the curtains but still. Yeah, yeah. Well, they do that. That's for sure. They'll grab your attention. Well, we were just getting to the wind

blowing out on the balcony too. Exactly. And and before we go on to just and one more thing with Uriel, there's also the unconditional loving aspect of Muriel, if you remember Muriel from Muriel's wedding, I guess, is that movie in a very famous Australian movie.

I might not have seen that one. A little bit of international exposure back in the day, but there is also, she is connected to Uriel. heavily is what I've discovered. Of course, Muriel, Muriel. Yeah, yeah. And of course, she represents myr. And so if you're smelling that essence of myr,

muriel's definitely around, or if you see the color pink in the atmosphere or in photographs or in, she also works with newborns a lot as well. Of course, being associated with myr and also probably she was there when Christ was born I'm hearing at the same time. Hence the Mur offerings of Mur at the same time in the story was obviously true. And her spiritual essence of being associated with Pink

and helping both the master and the feminine evolve in the physical realm. Anyway, but mostly Muriel is there for when you're feeling down. And I guess if you're having those suicidal thoughts, I guess, call, not I guess, definitely call on Muriel because she can then help to sort of rebalance you in that regard, and she's helped me in that way already as a healer and as needing to overcome my own thoughts in that regard in the past as well. Yeah, definitely.

I'm very thankful for Uriel and Muriel protecting me in that regard. So I'm very thankful also that you brought Uriel up and also their demonic, well, lesson-giving, should we say, balance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's interesting. You've never really looked into the back before, yeah. I was going to say it's interesting that you mentioned that protective, Uriel being also a protective force is like if you're if you're giving someone information

it's generally you know if you are the spirit of giving information in that sense it's always going to be for the purpose of making them uh you know for lack of a better term you know better stronger faster having them come you know having them receive the benefit of it for their own sake and the more demonic energy seems to be there to laugh at you they're like oh you're going to learn I'm going to help you but it's going to be amusing for me, but not for you. And they draw pleasure from the pain in the way that the other person, the other force, the positive spiritual energy is trying to help you.

Maybe don't learn the hard way. Maybe you don't have to suffer to get this knowledge. Not in that way. Not that badly. Come back to the light. Yes, exactly. You can see the light at the end of the tunnel yet. Let me help you sort of push you back that way instead of staying in this dark area,

even though it's still used to it. So regarding your dream, before I forget, both of us both trust our tangent so much, we just go off. That's great. No, it's fine. I've been in so many areas where people have just go, oh, no, let's get back to this. No, no, let's get back to this. Don't go back on your tangent. Unfortunately, I'm running out of time, so I want to give you a good thing before we go.

So I'm trying to stay focused. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is what I was going to ask you. The vine feminine, yeah. Yeah, was the idea of a, um, was the dream representation of your room, actually your room? And was there a balcony outside your room, for real? Yep. In real life.

That's what I mean. It was so lucid that, that everything felt real. Yeah. And then also the, the idea that there was a, um, rather empty landscape with one little tree and then beyond that, the banyons. And that was also when you, yeah, when you, when you, when you stepped out there, at night time or even in daytime, everything was so real. Nothing looked at a place.

Nothing looked woo-woo. Well, I guess the cloud and the liquid man was woo-woo. But everything around me just looked like reality. Okay. Even for a young child, it looks, well, I remember that tree, and I remember all this dirt. And I remember the old sort of old run-down car. that was arrested and you could see even in the darkness to a degree at the same time

because it was one of those old 1950s mobiles sort of things yeah yeah got you okay so well that's that's part of what got me on to the um when i what i was starting to say i like to do counterfactuals like here's what's not happening so what what is not happening is you were not in an alternate space this one was um yeah well i guess to some degree you always are but uh in a dream but at the same time you weren't um you weren't suddenly on the deck of an aircraft carrier and see it wasn't that different you know you were very much in and and and what it was is you were also looking at your surroundings without embellishing them it's like it was actually that's why i needed to clarify you know you didn't add a balcony that wasn't there you didn't add uh the the clearing

with the tree and the car and the and the field of trees behind that this was all as it was So there was something about, okay, there's a couple ways to look at that. One is you made it, you might have been so small that you just didn't have much of an imagination. You hadn't seen enough of the world to imagine something different than the way it actually was. That's possible. The other angle is that it's meaningful that it's happening in your present environment and not somewhere else that's imaginary. I tend to lead in that direction except the fact that you're, so I'm a little split on that one because you're so I'm a little split on that one because you're so. young. So there's just that, it's hard to shake that possibility. So we may not be able to

tease those apart just because it's, it's hard to know for sure. And I don't know that talking it out is going to get us an answer to that question. No, and I don't think that this one, I think, I think it will come over time and it already has. Like, I didn't even know about the extraterrestrial Orion and other aspects and connections to it until recently. So I always just thought that it was a scary nightmare my life. And that's as you, and it's interesting also that it progressed as you.

So what I've found out is that if you, if you're having reoccurring dreams and we talk about it, and we hit some meaningful or important point that, that gives new insight. And it's genuine. And it's not just, that's how I know this stuff is real. Is that if it's not genuine,

nothing changes. If it is genuine, nine times out of ten, the next, either the dream stopped because you don't need them anymore, we figured it out, we solved the mystery, or the dreams change because you're able to, now you're able to move forward with that new insight. You're able to see a new portion of the dream. So this is what I think might have been happening with you, it's, it came back when you needed it to, and you were able to move forward a little bit more each time, because each time you'd spent sufficient time thinking about the last time that it gave you enough understanding to say, okay, what's next? Let's see where this goes.

So initially you were just scared in your room and then eventually you were able to trust or feel comfortable enough to get out of bed and join the elemental on the balcony. Like that didn't happen the first time, but it did eventually. Yeah, yeah. First you would hide from me. Like, I'm not ready for this. And then you're like, well, I'm scared, but I'm not in danger. I finally realized that.

There's plenty to be scared of, but I think I can handle this. And then you get out and now you've got, you know, and again, you, you, you set this in your room. You didn't set it in, in your garage. You didn't set it out in the forest. I mean, so there's something very close to home about this type thing. And you, um, moving further and further, like a radius moving, moving further and further from the center out into the world. Um, and there's kind of a, uh, you know, there's psychological principles that go along with that, too, of like, uh, a, child needs to feel a secure attachment, then usually to the mother, a secure attachment to the mother,

and then cues from the mother that the immediate environment is safe. And then they can start moving away, like physically, literally moving from holding onto the apron strings to, well, I'm going to go under the table. And now maybe I'm going to go stand by the door. And now maybe I'll be in the backyard. But each, each new step is, you know, you have to get the, one of the most classic sense, Mother's approval that, you know, I'm here, I will be here when you're ready, if you need me, but you're also safe to go this far.

So go ahead. There seems to be a, whoa, I can't just jump down out of nowhere. Hi. She's like, I'm ready to go explore. That's a validation right there. Wow. Punch, punctuate that thing. So there seems to be a bit of that, too.

with it that your understanding of this situation that you're engaged in in this dream expanded over time so and then he went out on the balcony and so the um the air creature the face in the clouds did not come into the room you had to go out to meet it and you had to go out to meet it by going to a place where you had this elevated view too like a um there's something about being on a balcony where you can look down at the world you're not in the world you're above it looking down surveying and but then there's this um another elemental force you've got water elemental and now you've got an air elemental blowing towards you so you've gone out to experience the world and now part of the world is also rushing to meet you in the form of this you know the the wind

so i'm going to stop there for two seconds and just say is any of that resonating on some level um yeah it does and um you again bring for bringing forth bringing forward bringing that I am an Aquarius and an air sign and also my moon sign is I see it again for the water and the air so both combine quite quite effectively but of course yet again there is more insight to be found within it this is what you were bringing forward of my father even bringing forward that same analysis in a condescending way, of course, though, but in still a lesson way for me, I feel,

but a condescending way for my mother of, he needs to let go of your apron strings. And even though I have understood that, it was still designed as a condescending, way of promoting the lesson and I guess I never truthfully accepted that lesson because it was presented in such a fear-based condescending way. Yeah.

It's interesting that you even bring that analogy forward today. Yeah, very, very interesting. And that's, that can be a tough thing to accept you because we can, again, leaning a little more heavily on the psychological side of things is we can be pretty resentful of people that hurt us. and rightly so, this,

you know, we shouldn't be necessarily appreciative. It's still, it's still a lesson to be learned. That's what I'm saying is like, you may still actually get something valuable out of a very bad situation where someone hurt you and maybe even did it

intentionally for a laugh. You know, that kind of malicious energy. And then you can even go, you know, still I got something out of that. There was something to be learned. And actually,

that's a lot of the healing processes. putting things behind you in a way of saying, well, there's a piece of something I rejected because of the way it was presented to me. You know, let's say someone, there's two ways you can come up and say, someone's about to pull out of a parking lot, and they've left their purse on the top of the car or whatever.

And you can say to them, hey, excuse me, ma'am, sorry to bother you. Your purse is on top of the car. I just want to let you know. And then someone can say, hey, dumbass, your purse is on the car. Get that shit off there. God, what are you an idiot? Not a very nice way to say it, and maybe they enjoy being a jerk, but you can still take

the lesson and do something beneficial, don't lose your purse, that kind of thing. That's just the analogy that came to me. Two different approaches to the same thing. Both work perfectly fine, yeah. One lists a different emotion from the other. Yeah, yeah. One is like, could you just not be a jerk about it? Because you do, how, I guess you have to.

Some people are just, that's just their natural personality. And I don't know, I get a kick out of some of those people sometimes. They're just like, they sound, they sound mean. And, and, but they're like, you know, it's like a, the mismatch of the demeanor and the, and the message or demeanor in the, in the, and the benefit they're offering at the same time. Very, very interesting thing. And, and, and to, to just put one, um, one more. tidbit, I guess, and bring it full circle to a degree. I'm hearing that it's the same with when Archangels do that walk-ins,

they could actually be contracting, I've had that contract to be that asshole, to teach the person that lesson that they need to learn through it. And because it's such a high vibration that I'm hearing from Eric, It can irritate our senses enough to cause that emotion of, well, FU2 sort of response. Or I don't want to learn this lesson, even though it's being delivered from such a high vibrational place with this Archangel walking. Sometimes that's what's happening, Eric's bringing forward that it can seem demonic, but at the same time it's actually can actually be coming forward from a very high vibrational place

just as much even though we as a recipient don't see it as such we go oh you're a douche canoe for saying something like that so i don't want to take your lesson on board even though it's a very archangel based spiritual lesson that we just need to work through the emotion of and and find the lesson behind it and forgive ourselves for feeling what we need to feel because we do need to feel it. And then moving forward from that with the lesson learned, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that brings two things to mind along those metaphorical lines, if nothing else.

What popped in my head was two things. One was the monkey Rafiki from the Lion King and how he taught a lesson by hitting Simba on the top of the head. you know and you would think hitting someone with the hitting someone in the head with a stick not a very nice thing to do but he didn't do it too hard he did it enough to get his attention

and to pass along that lesson of you know how to let go of pain and what it means when it happens the second thing and I think in the same vein some of the same spirit energy or whatever

we can't forget what the archangel Michael was also sent to with a flaming sword to be a destroyer you know he's the he's the one that, now maybe I got my stories crossed up, but he either destroyed a city or he was the one responsible for killing all the Egyptian firstborn during the Exodus story.

I don't remember. So sometimes an angel, the ultimate representation of good, like pure good, can also come in and do something destructive. And that's, you know, I don't think I've put enough thought into it to say for sure, but it reminds me of situations where you had to have your life implode or some project or goal you were working towards completely failed, have it destroyed in order to move on and start something else. And that destruction can be unexpected and unpleasant and unwanted.

But then you look back on it and you go, wow, that was necessary. And so sometimes an angel can come in as a destroyer, but in a good way. And that's very, you know, it's, what am I trying to say? It's hard to know for sure. I mean, was that, I guess the analogy is respect. Yeah. Yeah, I guess the analogy is when one,

the old analogy is when one door closes, another door opens. I guess is what you're trying to bring forward. Yeah, yeah. And then some people get really stuck on, damn it, I want this door open. It's not coming open.

You'll never open again. And that's what you've got to let go. You've got to let go of that desire to get the door open because it's not happening. Now, how to know for sure that it's not happening. Yeah. I think that's a good segue to go into the, the next dream interpretation of I had to leave a workplace recently of a wellness and what do you call it Chinese medicine place where I was doing Reggie and mediumship readings for people.

And I found that the owner was and those around me were gossiping about me and also causing. perspective here, there was a lot of um, uh, backward, backhand stuff going on. And also a lot of a huge,

a huge, um, I don't know what's the best way to describe it. A huge lack of financial stability. Um, coming from the owner, herself. And so,

and then, also she had a lot of feminine wounds from the divine masculine that had taught her lessons in the past that she had still yet to overcome the emotions of and see the lesson from and so dare I say a lot of men that stepped forward including myself I feel were were in that same vein or as her as is always the case for a lot of people experiencing that lesson unfortunately and fortunately when they learn the lesson that step forward for them but at the same time I had this dream of and it was awful but at the same time it helped me bring forward you can't change the past and sometimes you have to experience this toxic past

to move forward with the lesson of what are your boundaries, what are your communication skills going to develop, and seeing red flags and not making excuses for them in your foreseeable future. And so when I was in this dream, I, yet again, like with the other one, I was in the shop. And then immediately I was presented with this child with red hair, which Yona had red hair, to put in perspective. And you basically, I immediately felt the energy that this was her inner child, which, going

into both clinical psychology and woo-woo stuff, it's, we have to help fix our inner child to be good. Oh, yeah, yeah. I got to, I'm a smoker, so I can cough all the time. That's right. move forward, move forward and reparenting is key, basically, for a lot of our development and journey in this physical experience. And so when I stepped forward in this dream, it almost felt like I was seeing her through my third eye, because I could only see her through one eye. And at the end of the day, it was, she was telling me everything that was wrong with me.

and I then kept asking me, why are you here? Why are you here? Why are you here? Why are you here? And then immediately I got this sort of tunnel vision where I could see her as the inner child sitting on a chair asking me that question again and again, why are you here. And then immediately I just got this sort of gassy feeling around me and this intoxicated feeling of feeling poisoned. And then immediately I felt like I was about to shoot out all my organs,

my heart, my appendix, everything, any organ you can think of. It felt like I was about to release through my rectum. And it was the most amazingly poisonous feeling I've ever felt. And then thankfully, I felt like I was yanked out of that dream quite quickly afterwards. before it got worse, but the main takeaway, of course, was don't return to where you don't belong, don't return to the toxic past. Absolutely. No, I think that's...

Yeah, and I think that's a great example of a dream for anyone, really, that which is to return to a toxic X or a toxic workplace, that they still feel shame or guilt about leaving. I know myself, I was feeling shame and guilt and grief about leaving it because there was people there who I missed as fellow practitioners, knowing that my name would be tarnished by this owner for her own ends and just having to be okay with that and let go in that regard. Well, based on the symbolism and the way you describe it, I think you nailed, I think that one's, you nailed that one's, you nailed that. one right on the head. I think there's probably no better way to understand it. And that's really good too. I mean, it's and also, we've got different relevant, um, aspects to it. You're in the actual shop. So it's related to that business and the setting you would see her in. And you see her as this, uh, child, a wounded child. Um, and that you're seeing her through a spiritual lens,

third eye in a way, you know, the idea of, well, let me see. what what I'm seeing I'm able to see through because I can open this third eye and see deeper or more, more clearly, what, what's going on. And that what she's asking you is, you know, why are you here? And that's probably in some ways your own question to yourself. Why am I sticking around this place? But more than anything, it's like you could also see her inner child asking that question maybe plaintiff. of like, why haven't I driven you away yet? That's, you know, the every, or maybe, as you say, wounds, you know, she's got, what do we say, people who, uh, people reenact their trauma because it's comfortable to them.

That's what they know. That's why they keep getting bad relationships over and over again. So, you know, there's two ways to look at that. One is you're putting in her mouth this, this question for yourself of like, why are you putting up with this? Why haven't you left yet? But also maybe you felt that compassion for her of like, she's trying to recreate past trauma by having by driving you away and she's

genuinely confused why haven't you abandoned me also because that's what I've been trying to get you to do and then you know you also have to ask that yeah then you also have to ask for your own mental health I mean you're not obligated to stick around and be abused by someone just because it might help that yeah boundaries and communication right there yeah it's perfectly yeah it's perfectly fine for you to say I'm not going to invest I'm not going to sacrifice myself to help this person, especially when it sounds like they're not ready for it anyway. I'm not going to beat my head against that.

Well, I'm not going to demand that door open when it should, it's not ready to open or it's been closed for a reason, that kind of a thing. But that, and the answer. Before you go on, Benjamin, a lot of spiritual contracts involved and stuff that needs to remain a mystery for now. You can plant seeds of change, but you don't always see them through. for fruition. And if someone's journey is that, you know,

during the time that you know them, they're not going to be capable of change, if that's written in the stars, so to speak, you're torturing yourself for nothing. Sometimes you've got to make your best effort and say this isn't working. I've got to pull the rip cord and move on. And it's too bad.

But, you know, but what you don't want to do is, of course, torture yourself for nothing. You don't want to stay in a situation that you can't make better. You can only suffer as a part of being a participant. And so if we look at, if we look at the question, why are you here as you putting it in the voice of this person like, you know, explain to me why you haven't given up yet. This is you may be asking yourself confronting that, you know, why haven't I done this?

And really getting a, the answer that comes back to you is this intense feeling of. being deeply poisoned and about to shit your guts out literally, uh, in that sense. Like I'm about to void my, my organs. Um, and that's confronting the truth that, uh, you know, as much as you see this person as a wounded child that you would love to help, it's such a toxic situation. You've got to get out of it. And my question to you would be, did the dream help you come to the decision to leave or this was a dream you had to be? had afterwards thinking back on the situation. The latter, but I think my emotions were definitely the catalyst of the dream of,

as I stated, there were other practitioners who I were feeling grief of having to leave, knowing that they'd been in the same, making the same excuses that I did to compensate for her toxic red flags. Yeah. Yeah, I have a very, what is it? I'm very sympathetic to the idea that you would, that, and this is where sometimes I run into trouble because, like, is this a dream image that I would interpret this way because that's how I feel,

or am I getting inside your head and giving you what's useful to your situation? But so for me, personally, I would feel terrible about not trying to help someone, even if I probably should have stopped trying to help a long time ago. And then it would be very, very hard for me to tear myself away from other people or for even from a person who's treating me poorly but I think I think they could be I think they would benefit from change and if I can just tolerate a little bit longer maybe some positive change will happen and then sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't and sometimes you got to hit that wall of saying I've done everything I can

this isn't going to get better and it isn't good for me I'm going to you know if I stay if I in continue to ingest this poison, it's going to destroy me in some meaningful way that, and you're not obligated to do that. You're not obligated to save someone from themselves, especially if they're not ready or incapable or, you know, and that's a lot different than like being a hero who saved someone from, you know, falling off a cliff. If you can grab their hand and pull them up, you don't want to look at that person and go, you know, I could save you and it would cost me nothing, but I just,

don't feel like it. It's not that scenario. It's something very, very different. It's like, man, this person does not want to be saved. And that's, you can use the same thing. It's like, okay, what if the person's hanging from the cliff, but they've got their sleeve caught? And what they're trying to do is free the sleeve because they want to fall. And you're trying to pull them up and they're swatting at your hand and trying to pull you off the cliff with them. At that point, you don't have to kill yourself trying to save someone doesn't want to be saved. So that's, yeah, it's okay to, it's okay to pull that rip cord. And it's, it's, Okay, I'm going to save myself at this point.

Yeah. What are you going to do? So I hate to do this. We're... Go ahead. I had another analogy and hopefully it comes back to me soon. Yeah, I think the best takeaway from this that I always have to say to myself is, even though we, yes, we are having a human experience, there is,

there is an afterlife and there is we will meet this person in the better version that we had hoped to meet them or know them as in in our soul in our energy form at the end of the day when we or when we transition and they then transition with us back to where we can see them as as the spirit that we knew that they were beautiful and balanced and unmanipulative. And do I say using a common terminology these days, less narcissistic in a way. Yeah, for sure. No, there's a lot of personality disorders in the world. There's plenty of despair going around. And I think there's a lot of truth to that.

I'm a believer anyway, that we do meet people again on the other side, whatever that means, whatever the side is and whatever the other is and all that said. And at some point we get to have that conversation with them where they go, where we finally have the interaction we wish we'd had, the ability to have on the earthly plane where they look at you and go, man, I was pretty embarrassing all that shit I was doing. Sorry about that. And you go, yeah, that wasn't so fun, but I forgive you.

Don't worry about it. You know, we finally get to have that kind of meeting where they go, they realize it wasn't right and they're sorry about it. So I don't think we don't. That's one thing that makes it. And I think the makes it. the catalyst after this dream for me and for a lot of same lessons that step forward from this is forgive myself first and foremost and then find find find the capacity to forgive them

knowing that dare I say half the time I have more time for the deed half the time I guess because I speak to them more, then I do for the living half the time because there's just so much bullshit that we're all going through on this physical denser plane that I really don't want to be a part of it as much as I used to be.

But at the same time, we're still in that playground, but at the same time, I am grateful that I have learned how to forgive through those lessons and I guess even through those dreams as the one I just described to bring forward that forgiveness of what the dead already forgive you for if you had given credence to any spiritual contracts or lessons and I guess the best one stepping forward for me was whether my mother and I used to live in Queensland just shortly and we had a neighbour who was a complete asshole and recently he perished in a fire

which was like a sort of cleanse of fire caused by a spark plug in his house but I kept hearing it was a fire in cleanse after all the emotion that went on there for him and immediately he came to me in spirit and said, Samuel, you need to forgive yourself for trying to bash my head in that day. Because I, in the Brisbane heat, it fries your brain a bit. And I went into this fury mode

and started just smacking, grabbed him by the neck one day and started to smack around his head and thankfully my spirit guy said, Samuel just scare him, don't kill him. and I'm so thankful that they said that because I was about ready to one punch kill him and I think he saw knew that and thankfully I didn't but I was in that mindset of fried brain fuck you sort of momentum I'm going to kill you right now sort of monstrous

some may say demonic mentality because of the ship that he pulled leading up to this again and again against myself and my mother and yeah I felt this immediate release that I was able to forgive him because he came to me in spirit and said Samuel it's time to let go It's time to forgive me for what happened. Because you don't need this grief. You don't need this shame. And that's why I always come back to the form of sometimes I find it more easier to speak to the dead than I'm going to the time. Well, sounds like you and me both are more. I have less and less contact with other human beings as I go on through life.

I need a lot of alone time. And this is good. But, you know, after I'm done with this and then. streaming video game i'm gonna talk to no one i'm gonna go nowhere some people need to get out of the house and go talk to people i'm like i need to talk to no one for 24 hours let's go and then my my wife knows too we're very we're very similar in that way of uh we both need a lot of alone time sometimes it's uh just where you just where you are in life so i hate to do this but i'm about speaking of video games i got i got a i got a uh post uh links to the stream you get that all set

up uh in the next uh in the next hour so thank you for you i wish i i wish i had a little more time for you. Like I said, we talk for like an hour and a half before you. We got to the dream thing and that's still, it's all faster. There's always more to say. But, okay, we'll go ahead and wrap it up. Then I will tell all of you out there in the audience, this has been our friend Samuel Thomas Holland out of Brighton, Australia.

And he is a Rakey master practitioner, psychic medium and forensic medium, as well as a fellow dream interpreter. You can see we've arrived at some similar conclusions based on the imagery. and I, you know, fully endorse what he was able to figure out on his own. It just makes perfect sense. And I think a lot of you can do the same thing, too, if you, another powerful thing, Samuel, you said, that was writing things down is very important, too. So you're right down your dreams.

Gendling and meditating. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it can make it a lot easier to organize your thoughts. What am I trying to say? Well, let me try and write it out as a sentence and see if I can figure it out. Put it into words. Very, very important stuff. Of course, if you want to reach out to him, the email is info.

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And lastly, if you'd head on over to Benjamin the Dreamwizard.com, that's where I'm setting up a, well, it's already there. It's a community attached to my Rumble account, free to join. One of the best ways to get in contact with me. And that is enough of that. Samuel, good talk. I appreciate having your time today. Thank you very much for having me.

All righty. And everybody out there. Thanks, time in room. Thank you. Yes, everybody out there, thank you for listening. We'll see you next time.