Drink Champs - Episode 1 w/ Guest Fat Joe

Episode Date: March 25, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN drink it up with hip hop legend Fat Joe. The guys talk about Fat Joe's new collaborative project with Remy Ma, and the process he underwent in making the album. Fat Joe also goes into various untold hip hop stories. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, yeah, what's up, y'all? What's going on, brother? Dream Chance Radio. He's a legendary Queens rapper. Hey, Hank Sagrita, it's your boy N.O.R.E. He's a Miami hip-hop pioneer. What up, it's DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players in music and sports.

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Or your birthday. Or your birthday. Or your birthday. And we got our first hip-hop legendary guest. Our first guest because we had a basketball player, but now we got our first... So two legends in a row. Two legends in a row. We're only doing legends.

No new niggas can come on here. Nope, nope, nope. You got to pay your dues before you get to Drink Chat Podcast, okay? Yeah. Who do we have in the building? Fat Joe. Make some noise for Fat Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up, y'all?

What's going on, brothers? What's going on? What's going on, my brother? Last night, I got a chance to be in your studio session, and you and Remy Ma actually done an album. Oh, damn. Yeah. Crazy, though.

Nah, I'm good. Nah, nah, nah, you're humble. I don though. Nah, I'm good. Nah, nah, nah. You're humble. I don't have to be humble for you. I'm going great. Hold up. People like us, we weren't there. So when you say they did an album together, what do you mean by that?

Like an album. What does that mean? It's a complete album. Together? Or is it you executive produced her album? No, me and her. Wow. Back and forth.

Wow. Shit crazy. I was amazed. You know what I'm saying? Because I heard Remy's mixtape. I didn't think that was Remy Ma. Like, what I mean by that is I didn't think she felt comfortable with the mixtape. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But when I heard her with you. She came home from jail six years. Right. And everybody and their mother ran at her. And, you know, she has certain loyalties to, like, certain producers that she's been fucking with for years. Right. So everybody was running at her and she was just like, all right, all right, so this is how.

I don't think she really even knew what was hot. So what was crazy was You know we all know Rapping is like riding a bike Like you know We know she nice as shit She just gotta get in pocket Of course

And be produced right So you know that mixtape So let me ask you a topic right there Do you feel like you kinda Even though You probably didn't touch no buttons But you felt like You produced this, though? Oh, I produced this.

100%. A million percent. It's like if Leanback had babies. Oh, shit. That's what I felt like. The whole project? But you know how perfect that record is? Yeah.

How it hit the moment of not just New York City, but that's what the whole album felt like. It felt like, so I kind of felt like you produced it, although you... I produced it. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. And she sounds amazing. So what happened was I was on the couch when she gave me the go-ahead.

But how did this happen? How did the talk happen? Well, me and her, we was just, you know, before she even came out, we talked on the phone. We squashed whatever beefs we had or whatever the case may be. I never really had beef with Remy. Right. And then, so when she came home, we started going to dinner, lunch. Like, she would just call me up, yo, where you at?

I'm like, I'm in the Bronx. She'd come over, eat. And we just Brother and sister shit Right And then She told me She was like Yo

She was like You ready to get it in And I was like Yo I've been waiting I'm like You know I'm like

I'm not trying to push you I saw what I don't know Remy's bugged out So I don't want this podcast How to hear this And get mad at me. But, you know, like, I saw how niggas was pulling her when she first came home.

Like, niggas, you know, two days after she come home for six years, Swiss Beats got a record with her. This one out, everybody was tugging on her. She came home like the female Tupac. Let's just keep it real. Yeah, like the female Tupac. Okay, okay. So, I'm sitting back like, I know what's best,

but, you know, it's nothing I can do. Let her do what she gotta do. It's all in due time. Do what she gotta do. So as soon as she told me, I was like, yo, like, I mean, it's a no-brainer.

Like, I knew that was supposed to happen a long time ago. But it was presented to you as a whole project at first or just a couple of records? No, what happened was she said, we did the BX Fight Club's the that's the only time I performed with Remy in all those years so they had me I did I did a favor for holding them and um I brought out a hole yeah which that's You can't just say that. BX Hove. Oh, the homie, the homie, BX Hove. All over for the street.

Because I was like, what? Because of the BX Hove. I know exactly that. So I came out there. We had to. We were on point. So I had to. So I went over there and I did it.

The Bronx was in there deep, and I brought out Remy as a surprise. And, you know, just the smiles in people's eyes. And what I always say is people like Fat Joe a lot. And people like Remy Ma a lot. They love Fat Joe and Remy. So it was just different. Like I'm looking at the crowd. She's rocking.

I'm looking at the crowd. She's rocking. I'm looking at her. So afterwards, when I walk into the car, she's like, yo, man, it's different, man. Like, these people go, they love to see me with you. It's different, yo. I'm telling you, I've been performing everywhere. It's different when I'm staying with you. I said, so what are you saying? You know, you want me to get to it? She's like, alright. So then I sat on the couch

and, you know, it had to be perfect. Like, I view us and I don't want niggas to kill me, but like a

Jay-Z, Kanye West, like a Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, like a, you know, you gotta realize the last record we put out

went 47 weeks, number one. Which was? Lean back. Just throw that out there. Come on. Everybody make some noise for the goddamn first day. Seven weeks is a fucking chunk.

Hold on. You just sing it for God's sake. Go ahead. So, you know, that shit was like number one record for nine years and nine months. I remember. And the nigga who beat us was Flo Rida, Low. Low. He beats everybody.

Yeah, he beat me. We almost had the song of the decade rolling. No, no, you had the song of the decade in the hood. That's for sure. Yeah, for sure. That's for sure. So, you know, when I came to fuck with this, I was like, all right, this shit got to be incredible. She knew that, too.

So I sat on the couch. It usually took me a month. It took me like nine months. And I ain't going to lie. You know me and you're my brother. And he called me the Puerto Rican puff daddy. It's a fact. This nigga's crazy, right?

For years. Shut up, for years. Okay. So I actually was confused. So this was the first time in my life that I made a project

that I was actually challenged. Like I was like questioning myself because I wanted it to be so perfect that I was like oh shit. So the problem is we come from a different era. Right. Right?

And we got Fat Joe Remy fans. But yeah, and still we want to make music that's relevant with these young niggas too. But not sound crazy. Right. Like not do the,

picking my boogers, picking my boogers. We don't want to do that shit. Right? But we want to do music that a DJ that's hot right now. Somebody's going to take that right now... Somebody out there is going to put up a record called Virginia Booker. That's hot right now.

Somebody's going to take that right now. That seems natural to you. Virginia Booker. That still feels natural to you. That feels like Joe Crack, Remy Ma. Right, right. But we could turn that bitch up and fucking Rolex KOD right now. That's hard.

Like, really hard. Like, I'm telling you you I know everything about music like I mean like I don't even know I don't know how to explain it to you in any other way it's like so listen turn around nigga Nori stupid yeah so the nigga turned around it was hard to do Nori's stupid. So the nigga turned around. It was hard to do, Nori. So it was almost I had to become a chemist. So not only was I on the couch, I was in all the clubs like day and night, day and night, day and night.

Before you started this project, you're saying? While I was doing it. Okay. So I went to Toronto for a weekend and went to 20 clubs and sat there. And most of the shit they was playing, I didn't even know it. I went to Washington Heights, sat in every club every night. Sushi Mambo. To see what they doing.

Sushi Mambo. I went to Brooklyn, to Queens, to the strip clubs, to everywhere to hear what the fuck was going on. All strip clubs now in New York City is only in Queens. I just want to throw that out there. the fuck was going on. All strip clubs now in New York City is only in Queens. I just want to throw that out there. Continue your story, sir. Go ahead. Well, I was in George's Diner last week. I know. You told me.

And I was looking for you on Snapchat. That was all. So, I'm chilling, right? So, long story short, I wanted it to be perfect. I still want it to be perfect. And it was a hard thing to do. So, you know, the fact with Remy, you know, even Pat Poose, he turned around and he was like, yo, Joe.

He was like, you know, he said, so I'm telling Remy, yo, come to Miami. Come to the studio. Come on, let's rock out. So she got a husband now. She ain't my little sister, you know, back at the tour bus. She could just leave. She got a fucking family, a husband. So I don't know what's going on.

So I got to go to New York and turn up with her and be like, all right, I rented the studio. Let's go. Let's lock in. Come down. Right? So by the second day, the nigga Pat Boone said, yo, Joe, you know what?

I said, what? He said, man, my bag. I said, what you mean? He said, because you know, it's my wife. She's telling me she got to go to Miami and stay for two weeks or three weeks with Joe.

I'm like, what the fuck that sound like? Right? So, no, no, he's serious. Make some noise for Pap. Let's do that shit. So, but he was like, yo, I've been in here with you two days. He's like, the shit you bring out of her, the shit y'all niggas get from each other, I get it. Y'all got to be with each other.

The chemistry is crazy. Y'all got to be with each other. Y'all got to turn up with each other. So is crazy y'all gotta be with each other y'all gotta turn up with each other so you know it was crazy you know we did we did her half in new york and um you know we had fred the gosselin in the studio every day you know pat poose was chilling she was there so we i just felt like we was just real well grounded right with the music so the whole project predominantly in New York City? No, I produced it in Miami, and then I went up to New York to do Remy's half in New York City.

But wait, wait, but from that research that you did when you was going to the different clubs and whatnot, what did you get out of that? Did you get something? No, I got what you needed. Did you get out of it? Yes, I did. I got a lot of literate shit of the universe of what's going on.

What did that bring to the project? That brought the single. Okay. Singles go all the way up. So what happened was I was sick. Can I say who was featuring? Yeah. Featuring French Montana.

My single off of Drunk Uncle is also featuring French Montana. So New York is just keeping it New York right now. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York.

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We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. We're keeping it New York. Miami. The nigga's incredible. He's the future. And also, Infrared wrote the

hook. So, Infrared, you know, that's my brother. The drunkest man in America. The drunkest guy in America. There'll be any drunk nigga in the world. This is Drink Champs Radio. We keep it real. I love him. So, I was in Washington Heights, and I was just studying

the crowd. See, when I go to clubs, it's like being in college I watch and see what the bitches like I see what the niggas like I see how niggas feel The drug dealing nigga The broke nigga I'm just watching everything

So I'm sitting there You might be thinking Yo this nigga Joe Crack Is either full of himself Or you know he's arrogant Or what the fuck is wrong with him But I'm sitting there. I'm studying everything.

Every movement popping. So that when I go in the studio, that's how I created Make It Rain. That's how I created Lean Back. And all my hits was like, I study it. And then when I get in the lab, I could just see the whole, it's like I'm in the club. So I know what it is. And I realized that these niggas want to say, I'm all the way up.

Nothing can stop me. I'm all the way up. That's what they want to say, standing on a couch at a club. So, shit incredible, man. That's crazy. Now, what are you going to call the project? Is it McFadgel, Remy Ma? Well, we're going to debut the title

right now, and I hope niggas don't jack us Should I debut it now? You should I think I deserve that I've been your friend for 20 years Dream champ Come on let's do it Well the name of the album

Is called Plata So Plomo Holy shit That's that Pablo Escobar shit right? Okay okay So the name of the album Is called Plata So Plomo That's hard That's hard.

That's hard. That should be on darkos already. Money or bullets. You know what I'm saying? However you want it. That's dope. You know what I'm saying? We ain't got a problem

paying, but if you front, you know what's coming. But it's not a group name, though. No, man. It's going to be Fat Joe and Remy. Don't do the group name.

It ain't Fat Joe featuring Remy or Remy featuring this brotherly love, nigga. It's brotherly love. It's both of us. Now, you're thinking about doing an album. Independent or? We are independent. Everything I put out the last nine years has been independent.

Make It Rain went number three in the country. Talk about it. Make some noise for fucking Make It Rain. I don't tell when number three. I'm independent. Another round, number three, independent. Everything I do, I've been independent. All right, you off Snapchat duties now because I need you with the whistle.

That's my little nigga right there. You're not a good guy right now. Hey, yo, hey, yo, hey, yo, hey. Listen, come here. Yo, no, that's my guy. Let's do another surround. My snap is popping right now. That's what I got to tell you.

Your snap is popping right now. Your snap is popping. This nigga, he got my snap. He leave my little nigga alone. Yo, he got his snap. Yo, right now, the whole industry is popping. This nigga, he got my Snap. Hey, leave my little nigga alone. Yo, he got his Snap. Yo, right now, the whole industry is on Snap. Nori is a bully. He's picking on the littlest guy here.

This is my guy right here. Snap's watching. Listen, you have duty when you're down with our crew. Whether you're small or big, everybody has a job that's around. You know what I'm saying? I love the vibe of your crew. I love how everybody's team spirited. But you've always maintained that,

whether you was fucking with niggas from the Bronx, Queens, wherever. You know, you such a real guy, such down to earth that, you know, niggas cling to you and they love you, so everybody play their position. You know what I'm saying?

And that's what it is. You know, with me, people don't realize, you know, I was always number two and then was forced to go number one. So now how I can explain that to you, when I came up in the streets, my guy Tony Montana, he was number one. Terror squad. I always see you. Rest in peace.

So Joe Crack was vice president type shit. You know, he was the live wire, and I come up in there after he do some crazy shit, clean it up. Right? So then, you know, and then when he passed, my brother was number one, and I always maintained number two. So I always was cool being number two. So then when I started rapping and this fat Joe and then I bring Pun in the game and I realized that Pun

is a hundred times better than me. You fell into that role again. I fell right into number two. I was like, yo, I'll hold the door for this nigga. I ain't got a problem. Let me ask you something that I always wondered.

So you met Remy through Pun? Yes, sir. So Pun had Remy. She is Big Pun's artist. Because I remember Pun. I remember Pun. You know Pun is retarded. I was so jealous.

God bless. God bless. I was so jealous because it wasn't too many crews where you had a nigga as nice as Pun. And then you had a bitch that was like the nicest bitch in the game. So he was like, yo, twin, I want you to hear this girl I signed. I'm like, all right. So I see her. hear this girl I signed. I'm like, all right. So I see her. She had the leather vest.

I can never forget that shit. And then she just went off for like 10 minutes straight. And that's when she was saying, I'll shoot the air, Bubba Welch's sneakers. I'm uncus. And she was just going,

I was like so jealous, man. I was sitting there like, oh my God. My head was saying why I didn't find her, why I didn't find her. So then after she rocks, Porn History's your twin. You know, she your artist, twin.

Like, you know, she signed to me, but we signed to you. What was his label? He had a label? It was Terror Squad the whole time. He discovered her first. Right, right, right. He's trying to say, yo, he signed her, he discovered

her, but he's like, yo, Joe, it's coming to you anyway, nigga. But I'm just saying, I want to say she's my artist. I'm like, alright, my nigga. Thank God. And, you know... But you did the deal with her after Punn passed, or... Nah, nah, while Punn was alive.

While Punn was alive? Okay, wow. We did the deal with her while Pun was alive. You know Pun better than, you know what I'm saying, most loyal, realest nigga in the world. We don't just say that because he's dead. Because some nigga's dead piece of shit. All right. You know, Pun was one of the most loyalist niggas in the world,

but most fun. I mean, the way I say it is like um you know I was the youngest kid in my house you know I'm saying I never had a younger brother so poem was like the young brother I never had and I was like the big brother he never had and immediately you know what I'm saying it's almost like a relationship you know in order to make a marriage last it's like you really got to sign in. Yeah. Mentally.

Right. And heart-wise. You got to really say, yo, no matter what happens, I want to stay with this woman for the rest of my life. Make some noise for that, God damn it. God damn it. Clap your hands for that, God damn it. Come on, Joe. You're going to get romantic later.

You're going to get romantic. No, I'm just saying. No, let's do it. That's commitment. No, let's not get romantic. That's commitment. It's just like, yo, nobody's stopping this shit. Yeah, yeah, Joe. You're going to get romantic later. You're going to get romantic. No, I'm just saying. No, let's not get romantic. That's commitment. It's just like, yo, nobody's stopping this shit, right? And it's the same thing with me and Pun.

After I heard him rhyme for the first time, he sat in my car, and he immediately, I don't know how and why, but he was telling me shit I wouldn't tell nori now about myself and that's my brother like i could go to war with nori like i will really kill for nori he'll kill for me i would not tell him some personal shit in my family growing up and all that so five minutes later i'm riding with the nigga this nigga's telling me the deepest shit i ever heard in a and i'm sitting there with him i'm thinking to myself you know i'm a street nigga i'm like why is this nigga telling me all this shit all right right so i'm sitting there with him. I'm thinking to myself, you know, I'm a street nigga. I'm like, why is this nigga telling me all this shit?

So I'm sitting there like this. So I knew his life story the first 20 minutes after I left him. I met him. I already knew everybody. Let me ask you something because we were in there. Like, like, like Tata, right, had, Jay-Z's boy,

had brung me Rihanna, right? And I had to join. And he said, yo, she wants to do this record, right? She wants to do it like Barbados and all that. And listen, check what I said. But she wanted 15 bands. I had a million dollar budget at the time. I said no, right?

I said no. I passed on that. Did you know the minute you met Pun that this was the next dude? Oh, no. He was gone. You had to.

But was it instant? Or like... I'm going to be honest with you. I know music probably more than anybody. Right. It's just the truth. If this industry wasn't

scared of me for being such a gangster nigga, I would be the president than anybody. Right. It's just the truth. If this industry wasn't scared of me for being such a gangster nigga, I would be the president of everything. Yes. Nobody really know more than me. Every time they turn around and they give a nigga a new job, I put it on blast. The minute they gave Joey I.E. president of Interscope, he picked the phone up, called me, and said,

I learned everything from you, my brother. Please, you don't even understand. Everything I know is because of you. Everything I... Like, niggas get presidents and they... I studied you my whole life. You are the smartest nigga in here, but they scared of me, so they won't give me that position. Don't know why,

because I'm the nicest nigga in the world. That's a fact. That's a fact. Right? So, when I met Pun, and the niggas started rapping, so, alright, the scene is, I told her a million times i don't want to tell shit on your shit that i told everybody but i'ma just say it because we family so i go you know i was one of the only rap him being another one too so i can't stunt on him but i'm one of the only rappers that actually was rich actually was gold, actually was gold already, and was still in my hood like I live in apartment 5E.

Like literally. Hold on, everybody better make noise for this. I am also from apartment 5E. You know what's crazy? I study hip hop, Jay-Z was also from apartment 5E. What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? That means we in a project.

He's from Miami now. I know literally what that means. I'm saying, is there a hidden meaning behind all of this? No, we're going to ask Illuminati. We're going to ask Illuminati. We're going to ask Illuminati. We're going to ask Illuminati. And first off, let me also make some noise for my brother, Ray Kwan's brother.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday. How do you see the guy? And first off, let me also make some noise for my brother, K. You know, Ray Kwan's brother. He runs the whole room. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. He's here. How you see the dog? Yo, K. K, excuse me. Somebody get that man a drink.

Somebody get that man a drink. We ain't got no brown. We ain't got no brown, though, K. Yo, K, I know you called me and I told you I had it, but nobody never gave me my sneakers, my purple. Oh, I got one on you. He called me first. Wait, hold on.

He called me. I told him I'm going to go pick it up. Let me tell you something. Could I still get them or are they gone? They sure you can get a pair. Jesus Christ. Listen, listen, listen, Brad Joe. Let's go straight.

I'm glad you brung it to here. Are you the sneaker king? And if you are, are you above Khaled? Because I felt like you put Khaled on. No, Khaled can't fuck with me. Okay, I understand that. Let's be clear. But you put him on because the way—

I put him on to the sneaker game. You know, he's my brother. He's coming up under the culture. He's just—Khaled is like the The culture He's just Callan is like A fat Joe On steroids You know what I'm saying So he's been

Even more than steroids Yeah he's on He's on extra drugs Yeah He's on sedative I knew that When I went When I went and got him

His record deal At Cots I started at Relativity With Alan Grimblatt That's right So we didn't really even have No music or nothing like that. So when Khaled kept bothering me like, yo, I want to do this album.

I want to do this album. I said, fuck it, nigga. Let's go to New York. Right. So we went up in there. And the first thing I told Alan Grumblatt, I said, you don't understand. This nigga's incredible. He's a hit maker.

And he's Thad Joe on Star Wars. Did Alan Grumblatt pay? So Alan, of course. But Alan Grumblatt. No, a hit maker. And he's Fat Joe on Star Wars. Did Alan Grumblack pay? So Alan, of course. But Alan Grumblack. No, no, no. The royalties. Alan Grumblack. He don't want to ask that.

He just went off of what I told him. Okay. Like, he just went off of me hyping him up. Telling him like, he wanted to be in business with Fat Joe so much. That he turned around and was like, yo, this nigga Joe never lied to me. And it was the best thing he ever did in his life. Right. Did Alan Grumblack pay?

The royalties. Back pay. No. I never got royalties from Kosh. I know that. I know that. I already know the answer. Nobody gets them.

He is a good guy. A little bit. I put us on Kosh. I never got it. Yeah. Nobody gets royalties from Kosh. But maybe we didn't deserve it. I don't know. He is a good guy A little bit I put on some of him Cause I never got it Yeah Nobody gets royalty From Kaj But maybe we didn't deserve it

I don't know We gotta start A royalty committee Yeah we gotta start So now let's get back To the sneaker thing Because I feel like I feel like you're my brother

Right You've always been If I have to say One of the best People I ever met In my life Fat Joe is there Smart guy

Blow a whistle Oh that blow Blow some noise for that One of the best people I ever met in my life, Fat Joe, is there. Smart guy. Blow a whistle. Oh, blow some noise for that. I feel like whatever connect you ever had, I'm always at liberty to that. Except your sneaker connect, my brother. He has never opened that. Yo, you can ask Fan Joe for a missile. He'll give you his Uzi, man.

Yo, but every time he get a pancake, I just always watch his feet. I'm like, he's advanced. You have Michael Jordan's number on speed dial. Is this what happens? I don't have Michael Jordan's number on speed dial. Right. Because I feel like you be cheating. Your connect is cheating connect.

It's a cheat code. It is a cheat cheating connect It's a cheat code It is a cheat code It's a cheat code It is But I deserve it Because I've been committed To this shit forever Before it was cool To be a sneaker head

I was a sneaker head You know what I'm saying So they know my dedication I love sneakers I'm not a sneaker head Like you Nah I gotta give it to Khaled

You Khaled Who else Clark Kent Clark Kent There's a guy named Mayer. Mayer is incredible. No, no, no. Wale hasn't made my mathematics yet.

He's my guy. Clark Kent's in there. Clark Kent is a god. You know, he's a god. He has his own sneaker at Nike, correct? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he has a couple. You know, he put it down.

Legends. Now, somebody offered you their own sneaker. Did you have, like, a Stephon Marbury sneaker? Yeah, we did one for the community. Very cheap. You know, give it to the kids. But now Kanye is killing them. If you would have your own sneaker line,

like, what would you do it with? It would be the hottest shit in the world. But with who? What would you aspire to be? Who would you pick? I mean, I wouldn't say it because of... He's very smart, man.

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We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. So now, let's just rewind on everything. Probably the most fun I ever had traveling was when Trez was hot everybody's getting scared it's pretty great yeah everybody's everybody's scared was awesome i can't talk about that i didn't't say you were going to talk about it. I didn't even ask the question. It was just a statement.

But Triz has played out. Is that bad or is that good for the community? What do you mean? Triz has played out. People don't want Triz. That's good for the community. I believe so. Everybody make some noise for Triz being dead.

I'm going to tell you when I can see you chilling. I'm going to tell you when I stopped running Triz. This is my personal story, right? I had two. I always had two, right? I always did that. That was cool. But then one day I had three, right?

So I was like, all right, cool. You know, I bust like five nights. And they still wanted more. I felt defeated. Oh, you felt defeated. I felt defeated. Alright, well, what is different? Okay. Confusing both. Okay. So, triz means like niggas

running the train on a bitch. Like one broad mad dude. Menage is always in style. No, okay. That's right. Menage is always in style. And you test it as a man because one thing I noticed about women is that they can never have enough. If you do it right. No, no.

You can never have enough. Like, you can never, like, they can never really tell you realistically and from the bottom of their heart, yo, I'm tired. I quit. Right. They can keep going forever, to be honest with you. You're gassing me up. I had a couple. No, they lying to you.

They lying. They lying. They had a lot quit on me. I had a lot of quit on me. I don't know. Hopefully, but that day, I felt like the man. They might have been lying to you. They might have been lying to you. They go from like, yo, they want to get pleased.

Nah, this shit is work. This nigga's fucking me seven hours. I'm working. I need a salary for this shit right here. So, Triz is the trains. Menage is a different thing. It's always a beautiful time for Menage.

I'm going to give you a story one time. I never put this out, this footage. I actually have it on footage 100%. Jesus Christ. Tony Sunshine.

Oh my God. Big pun. This is how, this is how you know big pun was one of the greatest individuals in life. Puff Daddy pays me for a little Jerome.

You remember little Jerome back in the days? Well, little Jerome did a Blood Money beat. So Puff Daddy, he never pays good, but he pays. He never pays good, but he pays. It's great. Puff hits me and says, yo, no, I need you to do this for the room. So I'm like, all right, cool. But he's like, it's all one fee. I was like, all right, I'll do that for the song and then for the video. He's like, no, it's not how Puff Daddy rocks. It's all one feat, Nori. Puff Daddy like a black Jew.

But you got to do it. You got to do it. You got to do it because he's Puff Daddy. You're never going to front on Puff Daddy. You can't front on Puff Daddy. But you want to go to his house for New Year's. Yes, yes, yes. That makes up for everything.

Yes, for everything. So Puff hits me and goes, alright, so now I'm shooting a little Jerome video. This is the carbon. You remember the carbon. I remember carbon well. So, Pun got Puff at the carbon. So, Pun says, yo, call Nori. Let's tell Nori to come over

here. So, now Pun got Puff fucked up. Earlier today, Puff was like, make sure you're on time, please, Nori. We don't have this kid, don't got a budget. Pun makes Puff call me. He goes, yo, come over to the car, man. Nigga, what you actually doing?

I said, you sure you want me to leave your video? Then Puff is like, yo, Pun, what the fuck? This nigga's shooting my video. We just told him to leave. So I said, yo, Pun, come over here. Pun comes over here. He brings Tony Sunshine. And I forget what other two dudes, but I have it on camera 100%.

You remember I used to run around with the camera? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was ahead of time. I was ahead of time. I was blogging before. It was called blogging. You was blogging. You was blogging.

So Pun comes, and these two chicks, they see him. He's like, yo, Asian girl and a black girl, right? So I got my Bronx people with me, but I got my Queens people. They all know each other, right? Like the hood niggas, right? They all know each other. So they're like, yo, we go in the van. Pun's like, kiss her.

So these bitches never kissed. These bitches was gay. Nothing. It's on camera. I can 100% prove this. They kissed. Boom. Somebody's wife now.

Moms of somebody. Yeah, that's why I ain't with you for the job. That's why I ain't with you for the job. Right? So, whatever. Then we had a Queens versus Bronx fuck off. Like, whoever busts first was the loser. But mind you, we're all in the van.

You remember the van? Crazy the van. The van thing. Yo, niggas was going crazy. Like a VanTastic. Yeah, the VanTastic. Yo, my dude. And it's like, yo, we're not cool.

Niggas was putting in that work. But you right next to you, so you shouldn't bust. The van bust. Niggas is like, yo, good night. Yo, hold it down. Niggas is like, yo. Ah! Yo, I got the whole shit on film.

So now, it was a wonderful day. It was a wonderful time. I don't know what pun yelled to Tony Sunshine, right? But they went and they got the super squirters, right? This is zero below degrees in New York City. They filled up the super squirters with this new york city snow i'm not i'm not talking about the fresh snow i'm talking about the snow where you see yellow shit in there and you see the black the black shit in the snow and they put the snow from the super squirter

waited till it melted the bitches fucked the whole crew why do we have to do anything? As soon as they came out, they squirted the bitch. What the fuck? Yo! I have it all filmed. And the bitches, this is back in the days. They didn't even care. They was laughing. It felt like, yo, what, yo?

This is one of the wildest nights of my life. This is a long time ago. It's very long ago. You know, pun. You know, I was the only nigga Could control him So he would be ducking me and shit Because this nigga The niggas calling me the cops

Cops was like You know some niggas I was cool They was like Yo they gonna lock that nigga Pun up I'm like what They say he's shooting Old ladies coming out the

Wait Wait wait wait Supermarket That's crazy With the super so Oh Okay up, I'm like, what? They say he's shooting old ladies coming out the supermarket with the super soaker. So they're like, yo, nigga, we in the hood. He's the only nigga with a 600 gray Benz. He's shooting old ladies

with the shit down, the soaker. And niggas is like, yo, my nigga, he gonna go to jail for this. He gonna be on the news. So I go over there Gotta make a movie Scream that pun As loud as you can scream Motherfucker

I'm telling you nigga I ain't like The nigga's crazy man He was crazy He was crazy man Rest in peace He was Well you and pun

Was my first friends in hip hop Damn my brother He was the first friend That was Jose Luis Gotcha Yeah I was so gassed was the first friend? That was Jose Luis, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. I was so gassed

because the first shit he said was Jose Luis, gotcha. Holding guns. All Latinos felt that way. All of us. Let's keep it real. When Joe met me, though, he was like,

I'm not sure if he's Puerto Rican. None of the blackers know. But when you said it, it didn't matter. You got to tell him a story. He caught me. I caught him. He was at the Puerto Rican parade.

And I seen him. This is theican parade. And I seen him. This is the first time. And I helped him up. It was like thousands of niggas around me. And I helped him up. I don't smoke weed. My memory is phenomenal. So I helped the nigga up.

And I was like, yo, what's up, nigga? Yo, we fuck with you, nigga. We was hype, right? And then, but what he want me to get at is, he always said he's Spanish, but he be with black niggas and he look black. So we never totally believed him. You know what I'm saying?

So one day I'm in Chicago and a nigga called me up. He's like, yo, you got a show at House of Blues? I said, yeah. He said, yo, my family want to come to the show. So I'm like Alright no question Nori look I'm staying at the hotel I'm in the hotel

Tell them niggas Meet me in the lobby I meet them Nigga come over With the guaya Better than some Grey road And the nigga's like

Hey Joe My friend I am Nori's brother I'm like what This nigga like Bobby Yeah tu sabes Yo soy el guaya Guaya tu sabes I am Nordy's brother. I'm like, what? This nigga's like, Bobby, you have to sign. You know what I'm saying?

Well, he ain't got to sign. I was like, what the fuck? Nigga, really Puerto Rican? I might have called a hundred niggas. Yo, this nigga, he wasn't front. I'm looking at the Puerto Rican niggas right now. He's really Puerto Rican. Oh, my God. The real Puerto Ricans came in Chicago, my nigga. Right, right. He's really Puerto Rican Oh my god

The real Puerto Ricans came in Chicago My nigga That was crazy That was very funny man That was crazy my nigga So let me ask you something right At all The thing about you is

What people don't understand about you Is you're actually a lyricist like you make party records but even in your party wreck like i told this i said joe is one of my top friends of all time but when it comes time to do a feature for me he's like the worst list but not because he's not gonna do it it's he takes his time with something. Like, you actually do. Like, I know you never diss me. Like,

you're my brother. Like, you know what I'm saying? I eat in your crib on Thanksgiving. You eat in my crib all the time with our families.

You're my brother, so it's not, but you're like a, do you think you're a perfectionist? Definitely a perfectionist with everything. Yeah.

Sometimes, you know, the way shit moves nowadays, um, niggas get mad at how I am because I like to roll it out right. Yeah, man.

You know what I'm saying? And that's key to a lot of shit. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I ain't the smartest nigga, but I want to make sure shit gets its buck for its money with everything we do. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Like, with these young kids I'm fucking with right now, they're the first niggas I fucked with in years. They got fire and I'm still like, yo, we need more, we need more. You can't make a first impression twice. And then rap-wise, I ain't gonna lie to you, no matter who

I rap with, I try to take their head off. It's just a fact. I gotta go in and you invite me and it's just a fact i gotta go in and you know you invite me and he's very scared because fat jokers people probably probably don't think he's the best rapper in the world but hold on i'm just saying people probably don't think i'm the best rapper in the world but i'm like the mexican nigga you don't want to fight in the boxing ring. Because you're not going to stop. Because he's not going down. He's a hell of a fighter.

He's one of them niggas that you're scared to fight. You're scared to fight him because you know he's going to go. You're going to have to kill this nigga in the ring. You know what I'm saying? So that's how it is with raps. Because when you invite me to it, and the worst nigga was Pun. You know what I'm saying?

Pun was going for niggas' heads, man. Since Pun died, who was like a person that you did a record with and you was like, man, let me be on my best, best, best. Everybody. Everybody. I tell my son that every day. But it's not like just one person you was a little scared of? Everybody.

MC shit. Everybody. Every time I go in the booth. All right, let me tell you a secret I'll tell you in front of the whole world that I never told nobody. That's right, because the whole world listening. Make some noise

for the whole fucking world listening. God damn it. I like how you threw that out there, Joe Crack. Thank you very much. The whole world is listening. Every night, my whole career,

every night I got in the studio to this night, you know, I never know if I'm going to die when I leave the studio. So when I do my work in the studio, I go the hardest I could go in history when I work on my music, because if I die, I know that's the only thing

that's going to remind people for years and years, 20, 30 years later, that I put it down. Now, if you want to say, Fat Joe, if you want me to remind people for years and years, 20, 30 years later that I put it down. Now, if you want to say, Fat Joe, if you want me to tell you how I really feel, I feel like I'm one of the most underrated rappers of all time. And that's why I've been in the game this long and I still make music. Right. And every time I'm like a little kid waiting for his father on Christmas. I'm waiting for niggas to finally give it up. And they act like it's luck that you've been in the game for 20 years.

They act like it's luck that you put out 10, 15 top number five records in the world. Sold millions. They act like this shit. Like, yo, he's just a lucky nigga. You understand what I'm saying? But it takes dedication to that. So, like, with this album with Remy, I'm spitting my ass off. And I'm like, all right, maybe this time they'll finally listen and be like.

You know, because right now it's a little different for me. I'm a little older. You know what I'm saying? I'm a veteran. The young niggas don't look at me as a threat no more I'm not saying physically they just don't look at me as like I'm their competition right so now they're able to say

yo my nigga we love your shit you know you a vet yo we fuck with you nigga you a legend before it was more like they were scared to tell me that because they felt like we was still competing the thing they don't know is that we really still competing make some noise for that they felt like we were still competing. The thing they don't know is that we really still competing.

Make some noise for that guy. I love that attitude. Love that album. I forgot. We competing. So on this album right here, I'm spitting my ass off so that maybe, just maybe, niggas can look and listen to this album and be like, ooh, this nigga crazy. Let me ask you one more. What's the one record that a producer played for you or brung you and you didn't fuck with?

Oh, you're crazy. And somebody else took it. The record that you just said, Rihanna, you fucked up. I fucked up. I fucked up. My thing, well, you know I put it out there that I could have signed Eminem six times. No, I've never heard this story. How?

No, that's a fact. No, I've never heard this story. You've got to give it to us. It's out there. For real. Swear to God. At what point? At what point?

When he went to New York? I was with Eminem. We was having dinner one day. He was like, yo, Joe Crack. You know, I gave you my demo six times. I said, what? This is after he's the high. you didn't remember i didn't remember way before before so the nigga turned around he was like i gave it to you how can i be down

i gave it to you jack the rapper i gave it to you in atlanta i gave it to you in jersey when i was with the outsiders i gave it he knew every time he gave me his demo. And I was like, Jesus Christ, I could have had Eminem. But the record, I sat in the house with Salam Remy. And he made Fuji La for me. Oh, shit. The Fuji? The Fuji La. Ooh la la.

And I sat there. I'm trying to picture you. I can't even. He made it for me in his living room. And I was there I'm trying to picture you Yo my nigga I sat there I can't even He made it for me In this living room And I was there with him For hours And then he was like

Yo Joe Like a week later He was like Yo Joe You um You want this record And I was like Nah I'm good

He was like You want this record I was like Nah I'm good And then It was Fuji Live You know what my record was And I got another one Bigger than that Let me just tell you Cause I'm good. And then it was Fuji Love. You know what my record was?

And I got another one bigger than that. Let me just tell you. Because I have the same exact story. Track Masters was in the studio with me. And they made Nori, Nori, that fucking Nori. Let's just y'all been y'all on the block with y'all. Nori, Nori, that fucking Nori. And I was like, yo, niggas in the hood. You're going to laugh at me.

Niggas gave me the whole. I was like, yo, niggas in the hood gonna laugh at me. That's right, nigga. Niggas gave me the whole... I told him I didn't want it, but I was still mad. You probably wanted to vomit. I was still mad. I'm going to tell you my story. See, Scott's thought to me, our chemistry was like... If I knew what I knew now, then I probably would have been the richest nigga in the world because I work with Scott Storch five times all five songs went number one in America

it's just the bottom line every time I sat down with the nigga we made a number one right if I knew that now I would have 50 songs with Scott I would have had 50 songs with Scott Storch at that time. I would have OD'd. I wouldn't have never left them. I would have been on a nigga, breathing on a nigga like, yo, Scott, let's do another one. Yo, Scott, let's do another, right? So I come and I make, what is it? Candy Shop. I made that beat.

Do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And made that beat. And then boom. And he was going out with Lil' Kim. So the way I make beats with Scott is he could play whatever. So I would tell him boom.

Boom, bam, bam, bam. Boom, bam, bam, bam. That's how I made Lean Back. Boom, boom, bam, bam, boom. Boom, bam, bam, bam, boom. That's how I made Lean Back. Boom, boom, boom. He just did whatever I said. Like, I could damn near beatbox it, and he played. So we made Candy Shop. The crazy shit is I don't want my wife to kill me,

but we had little Kim up in there moving. Boom, bam, bam, bam, boom. Boom, bam, bam, bam, boom. Like, we was doing the beat to this bitch she was doing her little I'm like yo it gotta be more Arabic nigga we gotta do the Arabic yo nigga we got little Kim up in there

doing the Arabic dance and shit. So then, the nigga, now I'm going to keep it a buck with y'all. I don't even know if I can keep it too much a buck. But what I can say is we did it. That was right after Leanback. It would have been a humongous hit. And some of my niggas in my crew convinced me not to do it. They was like, ah.

That's what happened to me. You know, so I leaned back, my nigga. You keep going with Scott Storch. I should have been like, yeah, nigga, every time I fuck with him, it's number one. Golden Child. Nah, son. Do this one, and I pick the other shit. I know you've been searching for someone instead of that shit. So Scott might have called me.

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to keep it a buck. Scott called me maybe 50 times in a row. I had no beef with 50 Cent. Right. So I had no beef with him at the time. You know, that was my next question. So the nigga called me,

let's just say 40 times. You sure you don't beef with him at the time. You know, that was my next question. So the nigga called me, let's just say 40 times. You sure you don't want that beat? Everybody says they hit, Joe. 50 cent is in the air right now. He wants to pay me whatever on earth for this shit. Are you sure, Joe? I won't give him the beat, Joe. This is your beat.

Like, he would not stop calling. Like, are you sure, Joe? You don't want this shit? I'm like, nah, I don't want it. Yo, Joe. It was his OD and I was like, nah, nah, nah, I'm good. That shit was like number one in the universe. After Apple?

Oh, he told you prior to him selling it. He told you before. Oh, yeah. He didn't give up the song. I told him I ain't want it. Yeah, he hit it 50 times. You know what I'm saying? I wish I would have signed. It would have to be hands down Pharrell.

I can't tell you that Pharrell told me to sign him, but he said, could you shop my beats? This is 100% a real story. I went to bring him to see Nas. At the time, me and Nas was mad cool. Nas, he didn't know how to roll. A blunt?

He didn't know how to roll a blunt. I don't either. I roll the worst blunts in the world, but we gonna smoke. Don't judge me. You know what I'm saying? Shit would be curved. I roll pregnant blunts. Uncircumcised shit you know I mean but um so he asked me to um to shop it so I went I bring her tonight and he made oh baby you want

me oh baby you want me I wanted that be so bad he's After you heard it. He said, yo, I made it for Nas. I said, dad, I'm not a hater. He's my brother. I brung it to Nas. He actually played it. Nas loved it in the studio. Soon as he left, Nas said, yo, why your man's shirt so tight?

Small world. Why your man's shirt so tight? Yo, I was discouraged. Because I was like, yo, small world niggas they see my vision yo I was discouraged cause I was like yo I knew that like this wasn't like we made super done dope nigga

we got the number one record in the country his niggas doing way worse different shit but he was the first one though so yeah so and that would be my that would be my, you know, because, again, Pharrell, Chad, Rob Walker, they never said sign me, but they said shot my beats.

So to me. Which is the same. Shots like management. You know, me and you, we fall from the same tree where we helped a lot of people get recognition, get in the game, and all we wanted... Spiff TV slept on my couch to meet Rick Ross in college. But he also washed your clothes.

Yeah, we was happy. He also washed clothes? Yeah, it was true. Yeah, a little bit. What? In New York City, he washed my drawers. Stop. Nah.

I mean, I'm a... I was from Rikers Island at the time, Joe. Nah, let me stop. Let me stop. That's my brother. That's my brother. No, but it's true. Nah, nah, but yo, come on.

He had laundry duty. Nah, let's not do that. Come on, that's my brother. He's a good guy. Let's leave him alone. Let me stop. That's my brother. That's my brother. No, stop. But it's true. No, no. But yo, come on. He had laundry duty. No, let's not do that. Come on. That's my brother. Let's not do that. He's a good guy. Let's leave him alone. Stop.

It shows you the progression. No. Chris Ladyhound, great. Chris Ladyhound. You got to listen. You got to. It's true. It's true.

It is true. What are you talking about? It's true. It's not disrespected. It is true. No, yo. What are you talking about? He mopped my floors too.

And he also wore the. Sur flaws general fat Joe's not cosine business he's my brother You got it all. Guys, you got it all. He'll say this to you. You said it. Stop. Y'all niggas are crazy. Yo, you gonna... Yo. People already don't like me anyways. Oh, come on. No, no, no.

I don't think... But I'm just saying. Pippa's a piece of shit, but he's my brother, you know. Come on, brother. We got a lot of piece of shit brothers. Yeah, piece of shit brothers. You got a lot of people that...

I got a lot of piece of shit brothers. It's that cousin you... Like, you're not kind. Yeah, it's like that, but it's still family. Yeah, it's still family. You gotta find the, you gotta find the,

the good in people through the negative. That's what my father used to say. My father used to say, when you see people, see the good in them first and then you see the bad. Yeah, you know,

I got an uncle, he lies a lot. Like, he's a pathological liar. Like, if it's summer, he'll tell you it's winter. You know, like, the nigga just lying. Like, why didn't you feel it? We have lots of friends.

Like, a nigga just going to stop lying to the point of you like, yo, you cannot be serious about this. Like, you're lying. Like, and I got to pull him to the side. But the new thing I do with him, because he's my uncle. He's my blood. I love him. One of my favorite, you know, now when he lies, I'll be like, yo, Nori, he's lying. No.

I'll tell you in his face. He knows my new shit is to really try to stop him from lying is like, oh, no, he's lying. We didn't go there. We just came from. This nigga's lying. All right. I love him him He's really my uncle Don't look at him crazy Because he really is my uncle

He's a fucking liar It's simple Let me ask you a question You What's that? He has so much great qualities Thank you, Tony Other than the lie

If he didn't lie all the time He'd be the best nigga in the world Can I get some water, shorty, please? No disrespect It's actually not water Yeah, it's some water, shorty, please? No disrespect. It's actually not water. Yeah, it's not water, Joe. Come on. You're killing us.

Just drink champagne. Give me some Jesus juice. Yeah, yeah, get some water. Give me some water. Agua. Agua. Me and you, we have a lot like the same thing. We're good people.

We see the good in people. We just want everybody to win. And we hope that when they do win, they don't forget where they came from and they will always be there for us. Which is most unlikely for people.

Nori's so full of shit, bro. Yeah, tell him. Nori goes, he says, all right, come to my podcast. All right, Nori, I'm here. He comes in the studio last night, stops the studio, right,

and starts playing music and starts telling everybody How I'm his best friend In the world But I'm the worst nigga That asked for a verse In his life But he subliminally

Left the track there Threw the battery in my back To where today Guess what I'm gonna be recording Nori's song Listen Listen Again I know I said it earlier But I feel like Guess what I'm going to be recording? Nori's song. That's right. Listen, listen. Again, I know I said it earlier, but I feel like we should praise people while they're here. Oh, yes.

Joe has always been there for me, just for people that know. I'm talking about in the worst of the worst, the best of the best, in between. You know what I'm saying? And I say that, too. I remember Ja, Ja is my brother. But it was rough being a Ja Rule friend at one point. I remember walking with Ja Rule in the mall and people going, G-G-G, you lit?

And running, though. But this is before Twitter. You know what I'm saying? Like, right now, people would do it like this. I remember one time, like, we were hanging out. And I was like, I was going to the mall He was like Well I ain't doing shit

But mind you Mind you He's the biggest Like I'm okay I can walk around Dolo Right I'm okay

He's Yo Nori Yo I didn't give you A podcast Hey Nori The nigga was like I'll go with you Right

And he's the He's 10 million Whatever 50 number one hits in a row But 50 is killing him on the streets In the radio He's the biggest thing in a lot So we walk into the mall And I'm chilling you know it's nothing

This is my brother I ain't thinking nothing of it I just heard You bitch And I'm like the first time I'm like I'm gonna act like I ain't thinking nothing of it. I just heard, you bitch! And I'm like, the first time, I'm like, I'm going to act like I ain't hear that one. You feel me? Because I'm like, I know that ain't for me. So I'm going to just

keep walking. This is my homie. All right, let's keep going. I heard it again. Now this time, this is when the sweats come down. You know what I mean? You know when that one piece of sweat comes down? What was Ja Rule was doing? He just kept walking? No, he ignored the first one too. You know what I mean? You know when that one piece of sweat comes down. No, but what was Ja Rule was doing? He just kept walking? No, he ignored

the first one, too. We both ignored the first one. We just kept it moving. But the second one was like, and you could tell it was like a white boy.

He was just a fan and just wanted to say this. All right, let's just say, let's just say, let's just say. But my point is, I stuck with Ja Rule. You're supposed to.

Right. Now, let's just say that's what real friends do, and this business is built on fake friends. So let's just keep it 1,000. So they say the real recognize the real. The truth is we got to flip that around and say the fake recognize the fake. Because if you real in this industry,

then it's almost like you got AIDS. Yeah, taboo. It ain't no realness in this shit. Just know that. Right? So we celebrate the real. But it's hard. Because if you analyze the shit that be going on, you can't make no sense of it.

Right? Right? So let's just say DMX probably had it the worst. Wait, hold on. I'm trying to see where you're going. DMX probably, DMX probably had it the worst. Wait, hold on. I'm trying to see where you're going. DMX probably, DMX has demons. DMX has been using and abusing drugs. He almost died last week.

He was supposed to call in tonight. He almost died. He called me about that. Do you know he almost died last week? Yeah. I sent the pastor to his hospital. You sent a pastor to his hospital? You sent a pastor to his hospital. You sent a pastor to his hospital.

That's like a whole other podcast by itself. Because you know what? I'm going to be honest with you. You know what can save? You know what can save? It's a fact. What pastor do you do? Let me tell you.

I was smoking weed with DMX one night, 4 o'clock in the morning. First of all, I got a record from DMX when he was 10 million. When he was 10 million. When he was 10 million, I got a record from DMX when he was 10 million. When he was 10 million. When he was 10 million, I got a record with DMX. You say Kirk Franklin? I'm not coming. I'm not coming no more.

I know I'm going to get in trouble in all the blogs. I'm fucking with y'all. I'm not coming back. Y'all get it all out. Listen, listen. Get it all out. One time, this is 100%. Y'all got to stop. You got to hear my DMX story now.

I got a whole long DMX story. No, no, this is you. All right. Yo, Joe, this nigga sold 10 million at the time. He was the greatest. His manager is Ali. Ali is my brother. Ali's the best.

We know Ali. Salam aleykum, Ali. Ali went on tour with me. He did everything. This is my brother. The best. But Ali used to sell rims in Queens. That's how we know him from back in the

days. Remember, he used to work in Long Island, not in Queens. In Long Island. Muslim militia. Ali is the best, man. So check it. I'm on Def Jam. So I call Def Jam and I say, yo, I need y'all to book my flight to go see DMS.

I'm going to fly out on Monday and I'm going to return on Wednesday. So Tina Davis Who is Chris Brown's manager Tina Davis calls me and says Nobody does the record with the dog that easy But mind you I see DMX in River Park Towers Four o'clock in the morning

Niggas are throwing refrigerators You know what River Park Towers In the Bronx by the way This is not Queens I got family in River Park Towers My cousin Damon you know what, River Park Towers in the Bronx, by the way, this is not Queens. I got family in River Park. My cousin Damon and Levi live in River Park Towers.

Do you understand how it sounds when a fucking frigerator drops? Boom! Woo! And these niggas is just standing around.

This is what they do for fun in River Park Towers. Jesus. Right? The MX comes through there at four o'clock in the morning. I see niggas going,

bottom line, nah, that's not happening. I'm going to die just to make sure he's good. Me and X is good. He sold 10 million at this time. This is the hottest thing in the world. DMX. So I say I'm going to LA. I think DMX is the first nigga to drop two albums in one year.

They were selling a half a billion first week. Like disgusting shit he was doing. I told you about that method, man, too. I told you. I be trying to school my son about that. So look. That shit, boy. So I, so Tina Davis said to me, who is Chris Brown's manager now, I think, or used to.

She won't put him on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she says to me, nobody flies into LA on Monday or calls with DMX on Tuesday and then flies out on Wednesday, Nori. And I'm like, I'm Nori. I'm like, you crazy? This is my man.

She was right. Hold on. Hold on. Wait till I go with this. I didn't even see this nigga till Thursday, my nigga. At all. We in the same hotel.

We both got the presidential suites in the W in Westwood. He got the two-door one. I got the other one with the one door, right? I don't even see this nigga, right? You next door to this nigga. I'm next door to this nigga, right? This nigga knocks on my door

four o'clock in the morning. Thursday morning, four o'clock, which means that's 7 a.m. New York time. Knocks on my door four o'clock in the morning Thursday morning four o'clock which means that's 7 a.m New York time knocks on my door boom yo dog you ready dog so I'm like holy shit hell yeah I'm ready I know what this is for a CNN record too it's not like a Nori record this is CNN this is this is hood to hood I gotta get this shit done. He didn't knock on Capone's door. He knocked on my door. That's what it takes. Yo, let me tell you.

Mind you, Norrie was already platinum. Yes, but I need this record. CNN was gold. Yeah, but I need this record. He had to get the job done. This is what your man had to do. This is what I had to do. The nigga works me up.

We go downstairs. Got six cars downstairs. Four days later. So I got, this is four days. It's downstairs. Got six cars downstairs. Four days later. So I got, this is four days. It's Thursday. I flew out Monday. I didn't even see the nigga

until Thursday. Four o'clock in the morning, which is technically Friday. The niggas, six cars is downstairs. I tell my niggas, wake up, wake up. Bring the car out.

My car comes out. He's like, no, no, no, no. You're driving with me. So I'm like, all right. I heard about this nigga with this driving shit. Fuck his slime. This is what you got to do. This is what you got to do, right?

This is what you... Shut the fuck up. Yo, if anybody ever went, stayed at the W Hotel in Westwood, we drove six cars, right? Plus my two from the W. Westwood all the way around right to Ralph's parking lot, which like

we could have walked there. So you went around the whole shit to stop Just to go right across the street, the park, but he's a driver. He wants to drive there. He doesn't want to walk there. So we pull out. The guy goes, you like cars? I'm like, yeah.

He pulls out like $7,000 worth of real expensive motor control cars. So I'm like, oh, shit. But what I'm going to say, I don't want to do this. I need this verse. So I'm sitting there with the motor control cars. I'm acting like I like motor control.

I hate motor control fucking cars. Oh, acting like I like Moe and Joe. I hate Moe and Joe fucking cars. He's 10 million at the time. So I'm like, cool, I did it. Boom, he just drives off. It's over. Never see him again. Right? Boom, the next day he hits me.

Let's go, Nori. I'm like, all right. It's going to happen. Mind you, Def Jam's calling me every day. We got the session Locked out $3,000 a day For Monday

Def Jam's like Yo I'm like Now I can't But I don't wanna tell them They were right So I'm like Cheer

Just cheer Just cheer This motherfucker's like Yo let's go Let's go He took me to Dublin's Now I didn't I didn't know at the time

Dublin's Was a fucking pool hall right i'm thinking dublin's might be the studio we was going to buy you i've never seen the studio irish pool paying three racks every day we went he goes to a pool the second favorite thing i hate in life oh my god i don't fucking play fucking pool playing pool i'm sitting there acting like I like pool again. Fucking Sunday morning, we're just hanging out. I still don't get the verse, but he's hanging with me.

I know he's not dissing me. Some random dude just walks on the street. He's like, yo, DMX. DMX is like, what up, dawg? He's like, I got a studio right here. He's like, yo, Nori, look at that. We got a guy with a studio. I swear to God.

I swear, if I'm dead, if God strikes me down. He said, nigga, no. Y'all got to do a song. But he just love your company. And he's just like, oh, yes. Yo, Greg, I scared you now. He met somebody off the fucking strip

random. Free studio. Are we going to use this studio? I'm like, the dog. He's like, that's what you've been looking for, right?

I said, dog, I had the studio booked since Monday. We go in there. Here's the crazy shit. The nigga start laying his verse. Boom, boom. He's killing it. Me and Paul

looking at each other like, we got it. All of a sudden the music is just dead. Right? And nobody's in the studio saying nothing. So we're sitting, I'm sitting around, you know me, I'm like I'm a control freak. I'm sorry, I can't help it. So I'm like, yo, yo, what's up?

Like, everybody's dead. I'm saying that. I'm a control freak. I'm sorry. I can't help it. So I'm like, yo, yo, what's up? Like, everybody's dead. And I'm saying that. I'll open this shit. This nigga is laid out. Not out. Sleep in the middle of his purse. Yo, my God. So everybody's like, yo, nobody fucks with the dog while he's asleep.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I just paid this hood nigga, too. I yeah, yeah. Six and a half. Damn. It's like six and a half. Damn, that didn't even know. Yo, I mean, that was, but. Yo, let me tell you, let me tell you real quick. The nigga, we in Jimmy's Cafe, the nigga DMX come up in there, and he sees Tony Sunshine, and the nigga had like a love fest. Oh, my God. Tony Sunshine. I fucking love you. I'm like. Fest oh my god Tony sunshine

Nigga doing he's doing all that shit So we're in the bathroom we're in the bathroom in the bathroom Jimmy's cafe Jimmy's cafe. Oh Tony I gotta work with you. You're the shit. Yo, yo Nori. I gotta work with you. Y'all the shit. Yo. Yo Nori. I gotta work with you. Same shit. Right? So this is DMX. Exactly what he talking about. Nigga was selling a million records a week.

Nigga like out of this world. So me, you know, Tony signed on me. I'm like, yo. Great. Like, let's work. Like, you know, what do you want to do? I fly Tony To LA Okay I got to hear this story

Same exact Nothing happened Shit Tony hanging out With the nigga In fact I think I took I sent Tony and Macho Tony and Macho

To get it done And you know Macho Really trying to get it done Yeah he's Right so that nigga's like Y''all, he ain't happy. He don't like nothing. So the nigga calling me back every day. He's like, y'all, B, this nigga got us on the run.

This, that, this, this, this, this. The nigga Tony Sunshine, they finally saved shit. I think that was his gimmick. A week later Nigga I forgot the niggas Was in that late Like

A week later Nigga Macho Called me He was like Yo crack You ain't gonna believe This shit God I said what happened

He said the niggas Started rapping And went to sleep No Swear to God And I was like God And I was like I was like what He said yo that nigga out

Like if a nigga hit him with a hammer And niggas was telling the same shit Yo you can't wake the dog up Nobody wake the dog up right now Yo that nigga was like Man fuck these niggas Yo listen I'm a foul nigga

I tried So what happens is Alright the scary thing about this story, right, is that these stories is, in music, until you're not a bread maker, when you a bread maker, somebody like Rest In Peace Whitney Houston, they was letting her get away with the wildest shit, because niggas work for them, and they to tell them like, yo, chill. Right. You bugging out.

Because that's day check. Yeah, but I mean, but it's, how good is your check if you letting, if you work for Fat Joe and you letting him kill himself,

deteriorate himself and you thinking about your check right now but at the end of the day all checks is gone when I'm gone. Right, right. And it's an enabler. This shit is

crazy, my nigga. Let me just tell you, the reason why because my grandmother had passed away and my grandmother passed away, a pastor, he was out there. Listen, this is a fact. I'm sorry, but the pastor shit.

He was like the hip-hop pastor. He was quoting verses at my grandmother's fucking funeral. It's 100%. And like, you know,

you don't have fun at a funeral. Like, I'm looking up, he was quoting lines, hip-hop lines. And I was like, yo,

I said, yo, give me your number. I said, yo, I need you. You're his manager? No,

I told him I'm gonna need him. I was gonna put him on a drunk uncle project, but then I thought about it. I was like, I'm way too negative, you know, to squeeze in something positive. Y'all might need this thing.

Let me leave him because if Plata some plomo, I can get the nigga to talk some shit. This is real. Where he's just talking that shit. And so look, so now let me tell you. You might get shot at the end of this. One time, yeah. So look, one time we're all in LA. We smoking weed,

drinking, whatever. And in the middle of all that, DMX said, yo, can you brothers do me a favor? Can you put all that down? And pray? No, no, no. He wouldn't do that. DMX do that to me every time I see him. Yo, he prays. No, he wouldn't pray. Yeah, he'll pray for you.

So I figured, maybe he hear it from somebody else. So I put him on with the... This is incredible. And you my friend, we ain't never speak about this. We ain't never speak about it. This is true, man. This is real.

I love DMX. He knows I love him, so... Every time I see him, we got to pray, man. Right, yeah, no, he prays for me, man. But I don't understand, like... I don't, you know, I don't get it, man. He's a complicated dude, and it's sad, man, because people really love him. Yeah.

Sometimes people love you, and you deal with so many demons and depression, but they can't even affect you. Sometimes I'm having a shitty day, and even if I'm Fat Joe and niggas say, yo, I love you, your music is great, I still feel like shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? So people got to deal with their own things their own way. But when you got drugs involved, it's a whole other ballgame. Yeah. So we got to just

pray. We got to pray. It's a whole other ballgame. I had a pastor when I lived in the projects and shit. And the nigga would always talk to me. And then we just wild niggas and shit before rap music and all that. And the nigga would talk to me and pray all the time niggas and shit before rap music and all that and the nigga would talk to me and pray all the time he was also the uh work for housing the he was the sweet you know custodian nigga right right so he would always talk to me and joey you know you need to change

your life and this and this and that and what was crazy is the time when I had got shot and I got shot maybe 15 blocks from my my block. Like I wasn't around my hood. But while I'm laying, you know what I'm saying? Getting shot, laying the fucking pastor who used to work in my projects as I'm running this shit like that. He's out there praying for me Like the nigga literally is Like I see him I'm like what the fuck The pastor doing over here Joey

It's time to come to God You know I was out there praying You know I was out there praying So I'm like yeah pastor I've always been a respectful nigga So I'm like yeah pastor So I'm like, yeah, pastor, you know, I've always been a respectful nigga and shit. So I'm like, yeah, pastor, boom. So I remember one time, the police was so mad at me.

To this day, they're still mad, right? Because they couldn't catch me. So they would hear shots fired, fat nigga with red hoodie. You know, like, they knew what was going on. They just couldn't pin it on a nigga, and they was just so fucking heated, right? So, I remember one time we had some beef and we standing in front of the building and we strapped. I mean

like super strapped, right? Ready to go down, right? And we got no clue. We just talking about how we gonna go over here and do our business, whatever. So, the pastor come over, he got his shit. He said, yo, Joey.

He said, don't look. Don't act like you talking to me. I said, yo, what's up, pastor? And we act like we talking. He was like, there's so many cops on both sides of this building. They're about to rush y'all. This is the pastor. I don't even think he's supposed to do that, right?

When you in church. He's supposed to do that, right? When you in church. Nah, he's supposed to do that. He's supposed to? Listen, if you want to relate to the community, you got to be a part of the community. You got to be a part of it. Yo, so this nigga tells me, right? So I'm like, word? He's like, yo, they on that side and that side.

So, this nigga I was cool with is a real pastor. This nigga I was cool with live on the first floor. I ain't going to give him no props, say his name. But I'll tell niggas, it was like three of us had hammers. I was like, yo. And like the count of three niggas, we boogie and we diving in homeboy's window, nigga. So my nigga, we just said, whew.

We went, we took off. We all jumped in the window, nigga. So my nigga, we just said, wham! We went, we took off. We all jumped in the window, right? So we shut the window down. You hear the cops like one minute later, where did they go? Because everybody else ran, but we got away. We got the hammers, but we under the window like a movie, like the window's over us.

And we like, ah, ah. And you hear these niggas. There was like 20, 30 cops and both like, how did these niggas get away, right? They bugging out. They on both sides. So if I ran around this building, they'll catch me on this side. They bugging out. Like, how does niggas get away, right?

So we sitting up there. My man's mom's, her name was Cheeky Dina. I'll never forget. She came over to me. She was like. She sounds gangster. She said, in Spanish. She told me in Spanish, but I'll tell you in English, she was like, you guys are bringing me heat to my house?

Ha! Yo, smack my cheek. Yo, my shit like, yo. Ha! You making my shit hot. I should call the cops. I was like, no, G-Dana, please. Please don't call the cops, you motherfuckers.

This was like, G-Dana, please, don't say that. But we got away with it. We can never jump in the window again, but the pastor helped me get away. That's right. Clippin' Howard Daniels is our pastor that I sent. Is that the one you sent to GMX? Absolutely, man. Because you know what? I believe in what religion you believe for you.

Right. So you felt you were sending what he prefers. I'm going to send you what you're into. He prayed for me. Like, this is Sauce Awards weekend in LA where we was on that shit. Like, whoosh Sauce Awards weekend in L.A. where we was on that shit.

Like, whoosh, a nigga work. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm from New York. I'm going to leave with my jury. Like, that's my word. That's how I felt at that time. So my mind frame. He also saved me. Like, when we landed.

Who, DMX? When we landed, yeah. When we landed, we seen Eve and all this shit. So we out there, we seen bitches, like rap bitches, and they fucking with me. I got that record out. That super thug was killing them. So I'm thinking it's love. It's not love.

I think a DMX came to my man. This is 100% real story. He said, the dogs got to watch the dog. So if the dogs is with the dogs, then the dogs ain't going to want to try the dog. So if the dogs always around the dogs, the dogs stay with the dogs and the dog can never come around by itself. The nigga gives my people five. As soon as he walk away, I'm like, this nigga's certified crazy. My man from the Bronx, 22, Ronald Joyner is his real name, 22,

this is my brother, he said, I understood everything. I said, what? There was sense to that. He said, look, the rapper's the target. And then me and Pone, Pone rented a Jag, I rented a Porsche, and then we rented like a 15 passenger van To stay behind us You feel me? So the dog said

Make sure the dogs Is always around the dog Don't ever let the dog Come out by itself Which means Don't let the nigga walk by itself Like it doesn't matter Like Nori's a real nigga

Pone's a real nigga But they got jury on That's what it's going to attract to them. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, wow. When I deciphered it, I was like, this nigga's mad smart. Like, he's super smarter than what people give him credit for. Like, you know what I'm saying?

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We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. First of all, I want to thank you, man. You know what I'm saying? This was a long podcast. It could have been longer. It could be longer. We could talk to man, this was a long podcast. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I mean, like, it could have been longer. It could be longer.

It could be longer. Yeah, yeah. We could talk to you for days, first of all. But you already said you're not coming back. That's horrible. We got to call this shit like the Bible or some shit. I like that. I like that.

It got to be like chapters of the Bible. The foul Bible. The foul Bible. Let's go with that. Joe's here for Matthew 49. Before you bounce, I got something. Personal. Please.

This is personal shit. Okay. So, you know, as Latinos, we grow up and we grasp it. Like we said, Jose Luis Gacho. We grasp it onto that as Latinos. And then as Latinos, then we sub-grasp. I'm Cuban. I'm Puerto Rican. I'm Dominican.

Then we trying to find those cats in the game. But then I find out, let me find out. I'm Cuban. Fat Joe's half Cuban. You should have known that from day one. No, I knew that early on, but it wasn't represented in the music. So I was like, is he really? I don't know how to represent Cuban in the music.

So what's the story behind that is my question. Because the only way I'll break it all down to you, right? The only way to break it down to you is if we did Cuban, we would have to do, come on, everybody, why don't you do that? Come on, man. I'm being real, nigga. Like, that's what it would be, my nigga. So it's like.

But is there a reason? Like, is it like Puerto Rican side of your family is really where you grew up in? What happened is my father's Cuban. My mother the Puerto Rican side of your family is really where you grew up in? What happened is my father's Cuban. My mother's Puerto Rican. My Cuban side of my family was from Miami, was from like Jersey. They was from Jersey. Then they moved to Miami. So I grew up with the Puerto Ricans mostly.

Like really with the Puerto Ricans, with my mother, my father and everything. But I never denied that I was Cuban in any way, shape, or form. But I screamed Puerto Rico so loud that Cubans didn't see it. But if you go back to 1993 when I came out and you read, hey, there's a new rapper on the set. He's Puerto Rican and Cuban

from day one. I never... No, no, go catch it. I'm sure they're on the internet somewhere. Like,. Oh, no, no. Go catch it. I'm sure they're on the internet somewhere. Like, for example, Curious George, when he said, I'm half Castro,

half whatever, he said it in a line. I didn't know what he meant. No, I knew it because I'm Cuban. And when Cypress Hill was saying Cuban Spanish, like they was...

Wait, Cypress Hill's Cuban? Yes. I thought they was Mexican. Yeah, me too. Like Curious George, I thought he was from the weekend. But I'm originally from the same hood as Cypress Hill because Cuban? Yes. I thought they was Mexican. Yeah, me too. Like, Cuban's George, I thought he was from the weekend. But I'm originally from the same hood as Cypress Hills. I'm originally from LA.

But when they was speaking Spanish, and they had that song, I forget the Latin lingo. It wasn't Latin lingo. It was the other record on their album. Tres Equis. Tres Equis. They were saying singa and this and that. And it was like, you're Cuban. Like, we knew it as Cubans.

I'm like, these dudes ain't Mexican. They Cuban. Well, breaking news. I just found out that they Cuban. My father, yeah, yeah. It was Mexican. No, no, no. I knew Metal Man Ace was Cuban.

Of course he's Cuban. He rapped Cuba. Yeah, yeah. Metal Man, he's like, I learned that shit tonight. He rapped Cuba. His brother is Sendog. And B-Real, I think he's half Cuban, half Mexican. I think.

Well, me personally, I get a little... I'm glad we had this conversation. But I get slightly offended because I know I've been representing the Cubans since... Even the song me and you had, I've been representing Cubans since day one. So my thing is well documented Like if you go back to my interviews from day one It'd be like father Cuban, mother Puerto Rican Right?

But I did grow up on my Puerto Rican side more So I always rep Cuban I have brothers and sisters from Cuba I brought back nine brothers and sisters from Cuba. I brought back nine brothers and sisters from Cuba over here. You know, I don't even know how to explain. While they were there,

I was supporting them, building homes for them niggas so they could live. Like, you can't keep it realer than me. My father's Cuban. The worst kind of Cuban you can have. He'll argue with you politically for 10 hours.

You know, my family, so you know, I always bugged out when I bumped into a Cuban and they was telling me like, yo, I didn't know you was Cuban. I was like, so you obviously... I knew that early on. I was like, you ain't paying attention. You ain't paying attention. Maybe not when you said it originally, like

90s. So let's just say Cuban Link. So you know, you meant like why we didn't say Cuban name. Before Cuban Link, I knew you were Cuban. Or a song called Cuban Link, right? But Cuban Link, he wanted to rap Cubans, and you ain't really want to hear that. You really ain't want to hear it. Come on, everybody, why don't you do that? And we wouldn't let that nigga go.

I didn't want to hear that. And we wouldn't let that nigga go. He'd have thrown the guayas I'm like yo my nigga We terror squad Soft, brunk, killer niggas Like stop He really wanted to be the first pit bull To be honest with you

He wanted With the shirt he wanted to do that Bad And we was like Yo my nigga We kill niggas I remember me and Pun Used to argue with this thing Yo what the fuck you doing

What is this But you know we can't We make music for everybody So you gotta You gotta know that We make music for everybody So hip hop itself Is a subculture

A subreligion. Yeah. Right? I don't really get offended when white people say nigga. That's a hip-hop fan. I really don't because they white niggas. But because hip-hop is one, you know, it's like a religion. I don't feel like, you know, a motherfucker, you got to be Spanish.

You got to be black. You got to be Spanish. You got to be black. You got to be white. You got to be Chinese. You got to be. I just feel like be proud of who you are. Of course, yeah. Rep who you are, but make music for everybody. Of course.

And that's some of the problems we've had with Latino rappers. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like me personally, I don't know how they ain't more successful Latino rappers because we put the blueprint out there. We've been from the beginning. No, no, no.

Hip hop is not black music. It's black and Latino music originally. From the beginning. Day one. Yes, yes, day one. Now, that's not the discussion. Right. I'm saying Fat Joe, Big Pun,

Noriega, we put the blueprint Cypress Of course Cypress but I'm saying Cypress So what I'm saying there we took their blueprint Right Just keep it real but it's out there So what's the excuses Cypress Hills

They performing for white people black people They like how can I kill a man But a nigga wanna come And he wanna make straight Latino music I sit down, especially West Coast Latino rappers, whenever I Sat down with them and I have one-on-one with them Because I always want to give niggas knowledge

I sit down and be like, yo, papi, I know you Mexican We want you to rap Mexican, but make Music for everybody But you know, it's different politics on the West Coast Nah, but you gotta to be the biggest nigga. I mean, I think if there was a fly, handsome Mexican nigga spitting that shit, just spitting that shit, black girls, white girls, everything would fucking love this nigga.

You understand what I'm saying? It shouldn't be a barrier. Never, never, never. You shouldn't enclose yourself to a certain category. Not at all. And that's how I always approach the game. And me also, I came from a neighborhood that was 99.9% black. So imagine if you see a pack of black lions or black panthers in the jungle,

and this nigga will nonstop calling, bro. You see a pack of black panthers, and you see one white panther with them, that was always sad joke. Nah, we heard stories that you'll be the only one in there. The only Spanish white nigga with blonde hair with 500 black niggas just walking through. He was the only Puerto Ricanican and I was the only Queens dude

in the Bronx. Oh, that's true. People used to be like, why are you here, Norby? No, no, no. I used to be like, why are you here? Are you sure you okay, bro? I'm 10 minutes away. I'm just 10 minutes. Like, what the fuck was he doing?

But now, that's just the way I was raised. So I was raised in a community where it was all black. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, you know, like, I consider myself black, too. Right. Like, as weird as it sounds. I'm proud to be Latino. I wave the flag.

You've been in the black delegation. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You know what I'm saying? I'm serious. Like, I weird as it sounds, I'm proud to be Latino. I wave the flag. You've been in the black delegation. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. You know what I'm saying? I'm serious. No, I understand. Like, I'm black. Right.

It's weird because I tell black people that all the time. And they'll be like, yo, what do you mean? Like, nigga, I'm black, nigga. Like, I'm blacker than you. Right. Because you want to be a black white guy. Right. I'm a Spanish black nigga.

Yeah. You understand what I'm saying? Hell yeah, I understand. Nigga, you want to be a Spanish black nigga You understand what I'm saying? Hell yeah Nigga you You're a Harvard black nigga Nigga I'm black nigga To me I had it worse Because

Like I would hang out with the With the black people Then I would go with the Puerto Ricans And they'd be like Cocoro Moreno And then I had to go Then I gotta go with the black people

And they got they Specs and all that And it was like And you in the middle I'm in the middle Like I Then I got to go with the black people And they got their specs And all of these jokes And it was like And you in the middle I'm in the middle Like I'm going to

No, no, no I want to tell you a story The Latin Kings, right? I mean This is a fact This is a classic The Latin Kings I'm in jail

I got a super Latin Kings story I'm in jail, right? The Latin Kings They They They doing some shit for the dentists, right? I'm in jail, right? I'm in jail, right? The Latin kings, they doing some shit for the dentists, right? I'm in jail, right?

What they doing for the dentists? No, what they doing is... Praying for them? No, they're fucking... They're recruiting every Spanish person in the unit, but what they're doing

is saying that you gotta go to the dentist in jail, right right so these dudes come and they're like Victor Santiago so I stand up for the people who don't know that's my name super Puerto Rican so I stood up and the dudes like not you so I sat back down then Then they go, Victor Santiago. And I'm like, yo, I'm not going to keep standing up. And then they're like, but not you, not you, right?

So the third time, they're like, Victor Santiago. I'm like, yo, I'm not standing up again. They're like, yo, you're Victor Santiago? That's my name. So the guard, the CO nigga was down with the, he was a Latin king too. He was a Latin king too He's a Latin king too So they pulled me in the dentist They put oil razors to me Like yo you Cuban

I'm like no You're like you Dominican I'm like no They're like well what the fuck are you Why the fuck is your name Victor Santiago So I'm like yo I'm Puerto Rican and black. They're like, damn. You can't really be down with us.

But they got the raises to me. I can't do nothing. They actually set me up where, like, you know, you sit in the dentist chair. You couldn't move. I couldn't move. So I'm like, they said, so this is what we're going to do. We're going to make you a neta. I had never heard what a neta was.

A neta, a neta. They said, we're going to make you a neta. Because they seen my sheet. My sheet was clean. A fish you, a fish you. A fish you, but I'm trapped. There's nothing I can do. It doesn't matter what my sheet says.

You got to get out of there. So they're like, we're going to make you a neta. And I say, yo, my dude, I'm that neutral people. Like, I'm both. I can't. Listen, I go to the yard. I love handball. I'm sorry.

I'm nice. Pun beat me in handball one time. No. You hated that? You never recovered? Listen. No, pun beat you in handball. In his death, I hate. You hated that? You never recovered? Listen. No, Pun beat you in handball. In his death, I was like, yo, I had to get my rematch.

Like, when he died, I was like, yo, I needed my rematch. Like, you know, fat niggas is the best niggas in handball. I don't know if you know that. Big Mado? Eddie Giggs kills the game. No, Eddie Giggs, in fact, he's great in it. Me and you, we played handball. We played handball. Yo, we got serious at one point. Yo, Eddie Giggs, in fact, he's great in it. Me and you, we play handball. We play handball.

Yo, we got serious at one point. Yo, I came out of jail. The nigga Norris said, yo, we got to play handball. Yes, this is the fact. And we went somewhere out here and played handball. See, people don't know this about me. I'm actually, I thought I was a handball expert until, like, anybody that's, like, pun, beat me in handball. I never, like god I never actually

forgave him Pun has super human strength even in death I'm like I still need like God bless cause you know hopefully I

you know whatever but when we see each other in heaven that's probably the first thing I'ma say to him rematch let's play handball

yo I love you man handball nigga this is how it's gonna go, I love you, man. This is how it's going to go. Yo, I love you. How's it going to go? Rematch. Immediately, I want to... All right, so listen.

That being said, we're all Latinos. I want to end it on who's your favorite Latino besides Pun, besides Nori, besides Joe, because it would be unfair. So my favorite Latino who hit me, Kid Frost. Kid Frost is the OG. That's my favorite. That's the OG. When I heard, this is what I saw. You thought he was dope.

I don't know. That's something different here. That's something different here. I'm sorry. Pick up the Scoop DeVille. Scoop DeVille is a legendary. I'll take Scoop DeVille His son Scoop DeVille's a legendary I'll take Scoop DeVille

That was my favorite I knew Kid Frost since I started He was on Relativity too Get out of here And on Easy's label On Ruthless Yeah I couldn't believe it I thought he was on Ruthless

I never knew he was on Relativity He was on Ruthless And then yeah After Relativity I couldn't really You couldn't get with Kid Frost? Nah because he was like I met the real Kid Frost

and I was just like, it's amazing. Oh, there's a different person. What's that? What's that? Oh, we don't know this story. Oh. He was trying to let you go,

but now you got it. You went in. You already went out. You went in. You already, it's already wet. You gotta go. I couldn't do that.

But all I can say is that back to the West Coast, they look at shit different than we look at it. Right, right. So you know what I'm saying? I'm hanging out with, I'm going to just show you the miniature version of it because I wouldn't do that to you. I already know where this is going to be. But he comes to New York, so I'm like, yo, I got to salute the Mexican homies. So I took him to Jimmy's Cafe, and we walked down the block. Big up Jimmy's Cafe.

You know, as we walking out, everybody like, yo, crack, what's up, my nigga? Yo, crack, what's up, what's up, what's up? So I'm walking, I'm dapping everybody, and we walk like half a block. And he says, yo, Joe, can I talk to you, hoes? And this is Kid Frost. Not Kid Frost. I'm with him. I got him in New York, feeding him.

We chilling, brothers. I don't really fuck with the black guys like that, bro. That's the problem on the West Coast. I'm like, what? He's like, no, man. I see you talking to all these guys and bugging out. I'm like, yo, no, nigga. I fuck

with the black niggas. And that was a once in a life You know we hung out one time He's probably over there Saying fuck Fat Joe He hang out with the black guys I couldn't you know But you know I couldn't

Spanish dudes They influence me Well not influence you Or even just You think that it's hard Or hard or dope The hardest niggas ever The hardest niggas ever, the hardest niggas ever, are somebody who impressed me.

Can I say two? Yeah, you can. And I always say them, but somebody who impressed me at a young age who was a fly nigga was Tito from The Fearless Four. And the rumors I used to hear about him when I was a young kid was like, he was getting money, he was a fly nigga fucking all the bad bitches. And the Fearless 4 was, you know, an amazing rap crew. He's somebody I looked up to.

Even to this day when I see him, I'll be like, yo, Tito. Hold on, I ain't going to lie. We got to make noise for Joe being super hip hop on his first pick. Yeah. Some of these niggas is like, what the fuck? What the Fearless niggas? Tito from the fearless four, boy. That's real.

He was a fly nigga. You're a real hip hopper. No, I am. You just really showed the world just now how hip hop you are. Because niggas is Googlers. Again, they Googlers. Google that nigga. They Googlers.

And I'm going to tell you a secret, right? When we was shooting the video, John Blaze and Queens, we was shooting it. No, John Blaze, I was there. It was in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, Greenpoint. Greenpoint, Greenpoint. So it was Punz Burf.

Listen, me and Nas was beefing. Hold on. Do you remember this? Me and Nas was beefing, and you called me to squash the beef with Nas. Do you remember that? And that's why I'm, and when Nas verse plays, I'm the only person that's in the verse with Nas because I think I hung out with Cormega or some bullshit.

No, what happened was- This is when you love Nas. So he goes like to get Nas, man. You love Nas. He's a special guy too. So, no, he's a special guy. So- And me and I stopped talking

and you called me and was like... And squashed it. That's your brother. So we turned around and... This is real shit right here. Yeah, so... All the way. Nah, we gave him too much real. This is two seconds by the way. Tito from the Fearless 4 came out of nowhere

to the video and he had a cake. He knew it was Pun's birthday. He never met Pun. What video is this now? John Blaze. Okay, John Blaze.

So he comes in the trailer and he gets it. He brings out a cake and the nigga pulls out a bunch of $100 bills and put them like candles on the cake. This Tito Fearless,

he wasn't even a rapper no more. Like, you know, he was beyond OG. Still getting money. Still getting money. Threw up the $100. That's the name of the record that we're doing, by the way. It's called Still Getting Money. All right.

I didn't know. It fit good. Yeah, your man's a savage. Listen, so your man turned around, and I'm explaining to Ponda who it is, and it's Tito. He's the rich dude. Pundit didn't know him?

He didn't really know him. So I go like, this your Pundit? He's like the nigga, the first nigga, this, this, that, fly, Spanish nigga. Tito lit up all the fucking $100 bills, and Pundit blew it out. We ate the cake. Tito's a stand-up guy, man. He's a beautiful person. But you said two.

Two. And I got to give it to Cypress Hills. Because, like. We both gave it to the West Coast. I'm sorry. I didn't I gotta give it to Cypress Hills. Because, like... We both gave it to the West Coast. I'm sorry, I didn't know Kid Frost, the thing about Kid Frost, but I'm still a biggest fan. And you didn't know Cypress was Cuban, too. And I didn't know Cypress was Cuban. And anyway, Kid Frost, I mean, his music was dope. I love Kid Frost, I'm sorry.

And he was representing the Ross. I love him. Because you know why? You know, I actually understand it. I did a movie. It's a horror flick called Seven Mummies. I don't recommend actually understand it. I did a movie. It's a horror flick called Seven Mummies. I don't recommend you see it. It's trash. It's trash.

I did it for Nick Queston. You remember Nick Queston? Yes, my God. Well, Nick Queston, the first two videos I ever shot in my life. He shot it, so you felt loyal. Was L.A., L.A., and T.Y. So he told me to come to Arizona. I did.

Noel G. from Training Day. No, no, don't say no more niggas. The Mummy, nigga. Yeah, the Mummy. It was fucked up. I ain't gonna front. I fuck and then they kill me. I played the black guy in the horror film. My favorite role is in Paid in Full.

When Nori comes over to the car. You know, I freestyle that whole shit. Oh, man. That's legendary role. That was like your Samuel Jackson moment. We'll go there.

We'll go there. So look. Noel G, me and him got mad cool. He hung out in my trailer. I hung out in his trailer. He's from East I was about to say East New York

East LA So I flew to LA One time I was like Yo I want to go To your hood He was like He had to keep it real

With me He was like Nah I was like What Don't come over here You know I go Any hood yo

East New York Pink houses I don't give a fuck But when The person that's Supposed to bring you there says they gotta have you. Nah. Or they gotta at least pretend

like they can hold you down. He said, your skin color. He said, I seem to kill Mexicans. Their skin is darker than yours. Wow. But you know that's prison politics. No, but in LA, prison politics run LA. That's what I'm saying. It's built into the streets. Not in the black community. No, no, L.A., prison politics run L.A. That's what I'm saying.

It's spilled into the streets. Latino community. Not in the black community. No, no, no. All over the community. So that fucked me up when I realized that. But paid in full to get back to that.

I actually auditioned for Alpo. And I didn't get it. Wood Harris, who was the person I spoke to and paid it for, who played AZ, Wood Harris, he came to me

and he tried to prep me for the audition role. And when he prepped me for the audition, I took it too serious. You know, I got a fucking real actor sitting there telling me what to do and what to do. And I try to do it too.

Actually, I did eight movies. I never got any movie for my audition. Me either. I'm not a practice guy. You got it. If you say I got it, I'm good. Read in front of the cameras. I'm whack too.

I'm good. I'm whack on that. If you just say, yo, I want Fat Joe in this movie, I'm great. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. But I never read my lines. If you just say y'all want Fat Joe in this movie, I'm great. I'm going to do it. But I never read my lines. I read them. I memorize them because I'm God body.

You know what I'm saying? So I memorize them. And then I change them. Because the thing about God body, if you really realize it, after you master your 120, you got to master your plus degrees. So to me, that's what always what hip-hop was to me, was a plus degree.

It was an advance. Is this 5% of shit? No, we went from 5% to... He went from 5% of Mexican to everything. You just went all over the place right now. Listen, I'm everything. He want to say... I believe in every culture. You know, it's too late for me to go emphatically non-Cypher, dog.

You can't do it. In today's mathematics, I'm from God'sville. That's what they called your hood, God'sville? They called my hood God'sville. My hood was God'sville, nigga. I left for actually to call God'sville. You're completely Nosti right now. Yeah, because we brought you some New York shit.

I'm from Kendall. You're from Kendall, yeah. You ain't had the God'sville shit. I'm from Kendall. You're from Kendall, yeah. Yeah, you had the guys there. No, you wasn't in Kendall. These one or two niggas snuck down there, bud. They there. But Cypress Hills, because they did it big. And I remember when I first saw them, I thought they was from New York.

I was like, oh, yeah. My nigga, they shot their video in New York. They had Cube in the video. They had Cube in the video in front of them. What thought they was from New York. I was like, oh damn. They shot their video in New York. They had Cube in the video. What video was that? Killer Man. And they shot it in front of Apollo and everything. Everybody was discussing that. Are they from New York? Are they from LA?

Where the fuck are they from? And they was in the hood. There's Cypress Hill in New York and there's a Cypress Hill in LA. There's Cypress Hill in New York And there's a Cypress Hill in LA There's Cypress Hill in Brooklyn Queens, Brooklyn East New York And Q-Tip's in that video too I think

My nigga I thought them niggas was from New York But I'm not gonna tell you I looked up to them because they was from New York I'm just telling you I wanna get high So high Them niggas was riding New York. I'm just telling you, I want to get high. So high. Them niggas was rocking. I don't even get high.

Them niggas was rocking, my nigga. I ain't even going to lie. To this day, I probably look up to Cypress Hill still because I just feel like they really put it down the way I like it to be put down. And still. To this day. I do too. They really put it down. The way I like it to be put down. And still. No corny shit.

And I think still to this day. No corny shit. No nothing. Just real raps and beats. You got to say yours and we're going to rap it up. In terms of Latino rappers? Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Well, Cypress Hills definitely for sure. All right. And Punn. Hands down, Punn. Mm-hmm. Punn. You know, we're going to end this on this. Well, pun the best Latino rapper

ever lived. I'll tell you right now. It's the bottom line. I'll tell you. Real quick. When I heard him on Firewater. Firewater? Yeah, that was my first song.

It was me. It was me. Raekwon. Raekwon, the God. I had him on Armageddon. Oh, okay. That's right. That's the first song pun ever came out on Fire out. I put that on a mixtape.

On your mixtape? On my mixtape. DJ EFB. In Miami. Nobody had ever heard it. Miami's mixtape king. Let me tell you, nobody had ever heard anything. I put it on a mixtape here in Miami.

And I was like, this dude is fucking killing it. Right. I didn't know who he was. The best. I just, but then I knew, I knew he was Latino. I was like,

we got one. That's it. Yeah, we got one. That's it, because just so you know, at that same time, Big L's my favorite rapper.

Digging in the Creighton crew. That's my brother too. So that's my other favorite rapper. Fat Joe was a member of two crews with two of the greatest rappers of brother too so that's my other favorite rapper Fat Joe was a member of two crews with two of the greatest rappers of all time that's my other

favorite rapper we know it's late but make some fucking noise that's where I'm like this is it yo

yo we got him yo I've really it's just almost like chinks chinks drugs evangelists evangelists evangelists oh my god I know pun It's just almost like Chinks Chinks drugs Angeles Venom in evangelist Nandilus

Nandilus Oh my god I knew Pun was Great I didn't know He was the Greatest Until

Like after After his funeral I remember Me standing there Crying at the And God bless the dead Flex Flex TS

Was the one Who came and grabbed me because I didn't know what to do. Like, I just started crying. My mother came to the funeral. Keep it real. Yeah, I remember that. Without me.

My mom said, my mom didn't wait for me to come. My mother went. Yeah. My sister went. Man, from the bodega. Like, it was so crazy because the people who came to that funeral,

you know, it was like crazy, man. Like it was like people that from our community that never even talked to us was like, you know, they were so proud. They were showing up and you was like, yo, that's my school teacher, you know. So I'm sitting there crying and I walk by my school teacher come and grab me and like, yo, you know. So I'm sitting there crying and I walk by and my school teacher come and grab me and like, yo, be strong. This, this, that. Like, we touched so many niggas in that hood. It was crazy. But it was like that too. I'll never forget too. I was at one point, I was at Ponce Funeral

and I was crying and it was Ja Rule. And I looked up and it was Ja Rule. He was there one deep too. He was like, be strong, crack. Don't worry, be strong. That pun shit was serious, man. I remember Flex grabbing me and just was like,

dude, he's not suffering no more. And the crazy shit, I've never seen pun suffer. Like when pun, I know we going too much, but we're going to stop it soon. But when pun used to have sleep apnea, like when he used to go like this, I used to think Punn was playing with me. Like, God bless me, because, you know, now I know. But back then, I used to be like, damn, my fucking stories is boring.

Put people to sleep. Like, yo, we would be talking like, yo, what's good? I'd be like, oh. All right, let's just get it on the radio i love nori and uh in a different way in a special way right and uh them used to hang out they used to chill like we still avoid joe that's what joe said because joe was always militant like he militant. He's the get money dude. Like, that's all he thinks about. Me and Pun, we wanted to have fun.

We was younger. You know what I'm saying? Joe's our OG. It's a fact. So we used to be on the road, everything. And Pun smoked weed. He drank Coz Light. You know what I mean?

Like, you just started drinking. Really. Like, you just started leisurely drinking yeah like I didn't come that's so serious he was like like every day like I tell my son this to us and listen bro we was born with nothing my nigga and if we get the opportunity to go get it let's not stop nigga let's just go get it and we if we get the opportunity to go get it, let's not stop, nigga. Let's just go get it. And we can't make it. We gotta go get this fucking money, man, because all the times we dreamed

about getting money, all the times all we wanted was money, niggas wouldn't give us a fucking ice cream. You know, we starving. Niggas gotta chip in for four chicken wings and french fries. Now niggas is throwing this money at us. Like, what the fuck is we supposed to do?

Let's go get this fucking money. That's a fact. And that's what I'm about right now. I'm in the car. My son, I'm in the car with him. I barked on him two minutes before I came here because he was like, yo, engineer ain't really doing it right. I'm like, nigga, you fucking crazy. Like, I'll be rapping in closets, nigga.

We're going to end it on this, Joe. Back in the days, you couldn't send a nigga an email. You had to run around with two-inch tapes like this. Yo, that shit was like carrying a midget. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The real, the real, the real. Yo, let me tell you something. I've never been to. The real, the real, the real. Yo. I still got the flow. Yo, let me tell you something.

I've never been to, and this is my engineer right here, Hazardous Sounds, my producer, my friend. But Haz, I have never had a session with you unless I did four records. Keep it real.

I'm going to look away so like I'm not giving you no sign. Am I lying? At least four. I don't think. At least four. At least four. Because you know why?

It's not because. But back then, spending $1,500 on a lockout or $3,000 on a lockout, I had to do. Yo, 100% honest shit. I'm keeping it real. CNN War Report album was done over two years, but it was only like five to seven sessions. Because we recorded eight nine records when we went in there and you know tragedy put us on here but you had this wave man your wave is like you know special wave but what it was like y'all niggas man you could do whatever you wanted

nori nori you were uh you funny nigga. And then it's like, it's like, it was like, maybe he was bugging out, but to us, it was like flows we never heard, right? Right.

It's true. The nigga said, what nigga did? Nigga's talking about the nigga. I'm like, yo, what the fuck is this nigga saying? This shit hot.

He could be like, yo. You know what that came from? What was the joint you did? And we gotta go. We gotta go, yeah. We gotta go for four hours. Would you keep talking all I got to say? Let's talk with you. What was the joint you did? And we got to go. We got to go, yeah. We got to be there for four hours. Would you keep talking?

I got to sit over with you. What was the joint you did? I think it was in the firm. Yo, Nori know this. Nori know that. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

I can give you the story of that, and then we break out. All right. But listen, it goes, it's that one, right? Uh-huh. Nori know this. Nori know that. That's the firm shit. But Nori know that. What's the hook? Why? Because-huh. Nor we know this. Nor we know that. That's the firm shit. But nor we know that.

What's the hook? I'm leaving. That's the firm shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was another one you did for Nas, right? Was it Nas or Mobb Deep? It was Blood Money. Blood Money?

Blood Money. Blood Money's one of my two favorite records. Blood Money the one. Well, we did that during the firm album. The funny shit is- I'm not going to lie to you. From the outside in, I don't know if you know. Go ahead, tell me.

You was like the illest nigga right there. Like right there when they snatched you up because it was a big move for you. And I had just shot niggas. Yo, nah. In their projects, too. And they was like... And I kept hanging out there.

They was like, what? These niggas were left rackers. Left rackers are getting money in 20 minutes. and they was like and I kept hanging out there they was like what? this nigga's from Left Crackers Left Crackers Left Crackers are getting money in 20 minutes so and I kept hanging out and

I gotta give the love to Jungle Jungle was the dude like Jungle was like we're fucking with him we're fucking with the shooter you know what I mean

but Fat Joe but what I'm saying is I said about the ending when I heard when I heard the song they recruited you, and you was just like, it was so ill. I was just like, yo, this shit crazy. And you know, from then, my very first feature after that was the Punn record.

My very first feature after that. But you and Punn. You know Punn's first words he ever said to me? What'd he say? He said, because I was in a session. This is the first words you ever said to me. You going long.

You said, this is the first words you ever said to me. You said, y'all CNN, huh? He walked in his unique studio. His unique studios. Nigga walks in, whoa,

and then Pun walks in. He goes, y'all CNN, huh? I'm like, he in. He goes, y'all seeing that, huh? I'm like, he said, which one of y'all niggas got shot? And then Pond raised his hand. And then y'all start comparing gunshot rooms and shit. I was like, this is very awkward. Pond shows his shit there.

And then he goes, which one of y'all is Puerto Rican? And I raised my hand. And this is 100% facts. I was just like, because I never met this nigga. I love this nigga, but I don't want him to think I'm a sucker. He just walked in my studio session. Clue told you to walk over, right? Buck Wilde is doing a beat.

Maybe be Buck Wilde. And then, pun goes to me. He goes, yo, you Puerto Rican? And I go, yeah. He goes, so wipe the ice grill off, papa. Because we're going to be friends. And from that moment, yo, the nigga made me laugh. From that moment, I was racist from that moment.

That's awesome. Some of the best people I ever met. Man, Joe, I really appreciate you You have never left me You've always been there for me I want to shout out the guard Ray Kwan Guard Ray Kwan And K is his birthday

K is his birthday, happy birthday, my brother But Ray Kwan the chef Before you leave Top five friends Top three friends in hip hop ever. You don't have to pervert Ray Kwan. They jerk me. So I have one up on you.

He caught me first. I was out of town. I said, nah, I'll go get him. And I never got him. But I really need him. So I have one up on you. You got one up on me. I sent you one.

But he going to give me one. Yeah, I know. But for now. Can I say something? Yeah. So I'm an underground rapper. I'm digging in the crates. I'm like on my first, second album.

I'm on my first album. I came out same time as Wu-Tang. Now I remember I was getting like $300 a show. I ain't know how they made money because it was 15 niggas for $300 a show. I'm sure Ray got some stories. I'm like damn I start counting 13 niggas and shit These niggas must have got

$15 Shit fucked up And then I remember Woo just super blue And I wasn't big yet And I remember anytime I would call Ray Quan and this nigga's like Four platinum

I'd be like yo Ray I need you on a song tonight. Like Firewater, 10 minutes later, that nigga was in there. No funny style. Kept the 10,000 with me. I remember one time I was in, Ray don't even remember this. Y'all don't remember this. But I was in Staten Island. I had a show.

I remember you had a studio in Staten Island. Yeah, we had the studio On Staten Island Yeah yeah We had the studio On Staten Island But no One time I had a show In the hood Early on And I got into some shit With the With the Staten Island niggas Like it was about

To pop off crazy Like yo fuck Y'all talking about Nigga nigga Niggas ready to pop off And the guard Ray Kwan Was like yo That's my motherfucking

Brother man That shit ain't going down Here son That shit He talking that Wu-Tang shit. Yo, niggas calm down. Exactly. Fuck that, Carl. That shit ain't going down here, nigga.

Like, you know what I'm saying? But it was like, you know, so like Nori, I'm going to say top five. Because I got friends. You know what I'm saying? But I got you, top five brothers, my brothers that I love. This has always kept it real with me. Top five friends. You and Ray Quan is in my top five friends.

Both of y'all are my brothers. You know what I mean? Not rappers. Love you, not rappers. Nothing to do with that. Just like you're my brothers. You can call me at any time. Ray, call me at any rappers. Love you, not rappers. Nothing to do with that. Just like, you're my brothers. You can call me at any time. Ray, call me at any time.

It is what it is. If we never rapped and we knew each other from the block, we would still be brothers. So, you know, Ray Quan is in that category. And trust me, it ain't too many niggas in that category. Not for me neither. Not for me neither. Thank you, man. I always count on you, man.

I want to say one more story. I like your t-shirt. Oh, yeah. My shit is old school, right? I like it a lot. This is hip hop. Let me check your sneakers out. Nah, I got tunes.

You try to stunt on me with the... Wait, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What are those? These are just tunes. I've never seen those. Those is Navy blue. Oh, my God.

Three quarter. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. Yo, listen. Oh, my God. Three quarters. Yo, listen. It doesn't matter because he'll never give me his sneaker connect. He'll give me everything else in the world, but the sneaker connect doesn't happen. Fat Joe, thank you for joining Drink Cab. Let's do an interview. Hold on. Yeah, yeah.

Put him on an interview, whoever it is. Let's do that. Drink, too. Drink, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. LA to it. Drink to it. Drink to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. LA! LA!

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