Drink Champs - Episode 10 w/ Benzino & Dave Mays

Episode Date: May 27, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. Drink Champs is a weekly podcast and in episode 10 the guys drink it up with Benzino and Dave Mays formerly of The Source Magazine. The guys drink it up and discuss the history of the Source magazine, the Source awards, Almighty RSO, Love & hip hop tv show, hip hop weekly magazine, and a lot more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up, this is DJ EFN. And this is Drinks Champ, the motherfucking podcast. Make some noise! And right now... Hit that again, EFN. And right now, I'm so excited. Not because these people are my friends, but before these people were my friends,

I knew who they were doing. I seen what they were doing. They are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business. Everybody bit off of their blueprint. After they made it, they tried to recreate it. These guys have been down for 20 years or so. These guys have been doing it.

They reformed it. If you got four mics, you went gold instantly. Your shit was called the classic. If you got five mics, you probably went platinum instantly, but your shit was called a classic. Nowadays, we don't have no type of system at all. Your album just come out, and as long as the dude with purple

hair and dreadlocks say your shit is good, you might work it. This is not back in the days. Back in the days, it was hard. Back in the days, you had to hit a chitlin' circuit. Back in the days, you had to do what you had to do. And if you had to get on this magazine, you had to be privileged to be on this magazine. No knockin' nuts, the dunce was making this magazine.

Right now, we talkin' about the co-owners, the co-founders, excuse me, let me correct my sound. The founders of the Sauce Magazine. Right now, in the house, we got Dave Mays and Big Zeno. Make some noise! I want to get straight to the point, Zeno. One day me, you, and Ja Rule was on the phone. But you got to let them know we do this on a regular.

No, me, you, and Ja Rule, we are like the three amigos. We're like the first take of hip-hop. Right. We going at it. We go at it. We don't agree on nothing to say yeah yeah i mean me me me ja rule and i said like ja rule said he said i don't give a fuck about the mic system right you remember he said that and i said that's because you only got three mics you remember that you fucked him up with but but but i always got four mics i always remember that? You fucked them up with that. But, but, but, I always got four mics. I always loved the mic system.

The mic system is what helped make my career. Let's make some noise for that. Hold on. Let's make some noise for that. That's good, that's good. But you know what you told me, though, the first time before you... You called me a backpack rapper

at one point. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. First of all, I cared about the mic too much. First of all, look, he said that you thought that I was the one that didn't give you four and a did. Yes, you did. First of all, I carried him on the mic too fast. First of all, first of all, look, he thought, he said that you thought that I was the one

that didn't give you four and a half. Yes, yes. And I'm going to let it be known right now, right here, right here. All right? And this is,

this is like, we have no reason to lie. I can't do that. Okay. As much as I want to. That's 15. You know what I'm saying? That was good.

Dave Mays don't give a fuck. But this, you know what I'm saying? Right. Come on, salute. Okay, salute. You know what I'm saying? Come on, salute. Okay, salute. You know what I'm saying? So, you told me that you thought I was the one that was...

No, I thought anything... I thought at one point that if the sauce, anything that was bad in the sauce, I thought that you had something to do with the bad part, and I thought Dave was the angel. No, no, no. You thought that I rated the mic system. I thought that you rated the mic system. I thought that any bad article... Right. I thought you was the angel. Right. No, no you thought that I rated the mic system. I thought that you rated the mic system. I thought that any bad article.

Right. I thought you was the angel. That's what I thought. No, no, no. I was the foul guy. No, but the set to make it straight for all artists, because Prada said the same thing. You know what I'm saying? First time I met him, a few like, I never.

Prada's from the Fugees. Yeah, I never ever, ever. I hate that ice machine, by the way. I hate that ice machine. I never, ever, ever, ever gave anybody a mic. But Sep. Now, you know. Let's get into it.

No, I'm just saying, other than the situation that happened with, you know what I'm saying, the source, myself, and Eminem. You know what I'm saying? That was the only time the mic system, like, I kind of put my authority in it. But wait, but wait. That's all the other 190 covers and mics and everything. I never had nothing to do with it. Like, that's a backroom meeting of editors and people up there.

And I never was once ever in any of those meetings. But even still to this day. To set the record straight, though. Yeah, no, but even still to this day. Do you not realize how important the mic system was? I mean, I remember you was telling me. Like, yeah, like, I was bugging that I was explaining it to you. I understood it, but I didn't feel it

like y'all did. Wow, wow. Now how about you, Dave? Me and you on the same page. That mic system meant a lot to the culture. I mean, you know, we took it serious,

you know, it was something that the staff took seriously. You know, the authenticity of it, so, you know, it meant a lot. You got some good ratings.

Nah, I got some great ratings, man. High five, so keep it real with me. I had to tell some good ratings. I got some great ratings, man. High five. Keep it real with me. I had to tell Ja Rule, just because you got three mics, Ja, that was your problem. He's my friend. Let me play devil's advocate. What's the mic system of some people who might, especially as rap started territorializing,

meaning Houston had its own sound, the Bay Area had its own sound. If you got a bunch of people up in the office that not used to these sounds, then how can they really rate your shit properly? And now that's number one. Then number two, right, the business side of the game. There's two sides of the sauce. It's business and it's editorial.

FN, you're the label. Shout out to Benzino for getting technical. No, no, no, no, no. But you're the label and you're artists and you're paying me advertising for your artists, right? But then the editorial's hitting you off for two and a half mics. Right.

Now what? Now what? Now what do we do? You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't always as, you know, I think like what it was. You know what I'm saying so it wasn't always as you know um i think like what it was you know what i'm saying people people have different perspectives on things my thing is like you know if you got a song and you believe in it then okay that's great that other people can that you would

want other people to rate it but when you think of again it's just these are just human beings and people like you are to rate something to say you like it or not. No, but I mean, the times have changed. But back then, I think you guys, what did they say? It was the hip-hop bible. I understood it. I got it. How great of a compliment is that, though? The hip-hop bible.

I mean, Dave could take that. Did you feel like, you know, accomplished when people called it the hip-hop bible? Not, I mean, it felt good, but I was always striving to keep going. To keep going. Doing more bigger things. You're a perfectionist.

So it wasn't like, I'd stop just to. No, the source was. He started in his dorm. In Harvard, right? In Harvard? With a piece of fucking paper. I remember my first, like, source I actually bought. Like, I had other source magazines, but the first source I actually bought was the Mass Appeal cover

I believe that's the cover with Nas got five mics, correct? when you say Mass Appeal? when I say Mass Appeal, I meant a guru, gang star and DJ Permanent and that was that was the Issue. Google that, Has! Can you Google that? You got to do it in front of the computer. Let's see if that's the issue, because, you know, we want to give out correct information, but that was my first source. I was in jail, and it meant so...

I can't say it meant so much more to me, because I would come home, and hip-hop kids would have the issue the same way. I just want to commend you guys for making... So did you know what you guys were doing when you made... Because you're from D.C., correct, Dave? Yeah, originally from... And then you're from Boston. So how did y'all first link up to, you already had the source idea,

or it was something y'all came up with together? He was at Harvard. Harvard. Let's make some noise for Dave being at Harvard. And were you already RSO? Was that already? I was on Harvard Street. Harvard Street.

He was Harvard and Jason. I was on Harvard Street. He was Harvard and Jason. It was before all my years. George Tristan was on Harvard Street. Wait, Roxbury was the hood, though, right? George Tristan was on Harvard Street. Oh, wait and Jason. He was Harvard and Jason. So it was before all my other stuff. George Huston was on Harvard Street. Wait, Roxbury was the hood though, right? George Huston was on Harvard Street. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait. Oh, so there's five mics? Yeah. There was. Look, I'm mixing those for me. You don't even know what shit. You don't even know what shit. I don't Google that shit.

You don't Google that shit. You know your shit. That's my first, that's my first. But you, so Harvard is in the hood? How the hell do you know? No, I'm saying Harvard is in the hood. Harvard is in Cambridge. Okay, it schools in Cambridge.

Okay, it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, a hip-hop radio show. Okay, of course, you should have the mic. The mic, yeah. Yeah, a hip-hop radio show up there on the Harvard radio station. I heard this story, but... Give Dave another drink. Yeah, give him another drink.

Listen, first off, first off... Give Dave another drink, man. Listen, Benzino and Dave, they are my friends. You can tell they're my friends. They thugged out bottles of Armadale. It's not a Rockefeller no more. It is now Hip Hop Weekly sponsored. Armadale.

Holy moly guacamole. These are my friends. We're going to get to a lot of stories. They got their sweetest. Family. This is family. Excuse me for saying friends. Brothers. Both of them, man. That's right. So how does the Harvard guy... Where are you from? I'm from Roxbury, Dor them, man. That's right. So how does the Harvard guy...

Where are you from? I'm from Roxbury, Dorchester, Massachusetts. How does the Harvard guy link up with the Roxbury, Dorchester guy? This is crazy. He was doing the Harvard thing. I had a group, the Almighty Irish Show. But you're saying Harvard like it's light. Harvard is an esteem.

Yeah, but the only thing that Harvard... The niggas in Boston, Harvard was just over there where the police sat and the white people were. That's just what they did in Boston. Everywhere else, people are trying to get in. I understand that.

Yeah, prestigious, you know what I'm saying? Prestigious. He had the number one rap group up there in Boston. Excuse me. That was RSO. Yeah, the almighty RSO.

Almighty RSO, yeah. Was that managed already by Queen Latifah then? So I went out to one of their shows. Oh, I think it was on Flavor Union. That's when we first met. I went out to one of their shows. They were performing.

I went out and introduced myself. We opened up for Tretchen now. Told them about my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat, Go Go Dave. Come on up. I wanted you all to come do an interview up on my radio. So that's how we met and then we just started. He used to wear this leather African thing.

Leather African thing. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. Dave is the blackest white person. He's definitely black. Remember the actors? I don't even, I've never looked at them for their skin color. I know that they're just as black as me, if not black or raw. Let's make some noise for Dave, man.

That nigga's got to start clapping, man. Stop having the conversations because Dave ain't going to be watching y'all. But then we ended

up linking up. How'd y'all link up? He had a radio station. You said that. My DJ from the RSO ended up spinning on his...

He and Harvey... Do you have two times? Yeah. It was a station for classical music. And Dave managed to get some hip-hop on it. So Jeff went up there to be his DJ. Jeff Two Ties. Pick up Jeff Two Ties.

Okay. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? First 15. Right. You know what I'm saying? And then... I'm going to tip. Yeah, then from there, we just started linking up.

I started working with him and the group. I'm going to direct this question towards you. Now, I know Benzino. I know how smart he is. But the average person don't see that. How did you see his genius, Dave? I appreciate that, man. I mean, it's just always been a click from the beginning.

From the beginning or was it later on? I mean, of course, it grew and it evolved over time from the beginning. From the beginning or was it later on? I mean, of course, it grew and it evolved over time, the relationship, but there was just something there that's kept us together all these years. I mean, it's definitely a respect. I mean, he's... Y'all brothers, man. He's a brilliant

person. I say it all the time. Yeah, he's brilliant. And how did that happen? Get into it, baby. Get into it. You got to, you got to, you got to. Come on. Listen, listen.

So how did you know, how did you know when you met him that this is a guy you're going to partner up with? Like, was that the first intention? Nah, hell no. Dave was just cool. We used to go to Harvard, but what I dug about Dave was like, Dave didn't need to be around a whole bunch of different dudes, Dolo, but like he's from DC so he really didn't act like Chocolate City

You know I'm saying then you know Like when you around one thing about racism it breaks down a couple of things that breaks down It's crime crime because no matter what it don't matter if you connected with somebody and y'all doing some dirt There's never no racism. He could be Irish Italian black if y'all are homeboys y'all you feel me but then it just goes on like it was like okay he's at harvard i'm over here damn he's kind of cool you know i'm saying fuck it let's just go see what over here is like you go fuck with dave and was he the first person that when you spoke to him you said yo maybe i could get out the streets no oh you you you wanted to get out the streets no hell no you didn't want to get out the streets before that? No, hell no.

You didn't want to get out the streets. No, no. Yeah, I was wild. I heard RSO. I heard a lot. Not just that, though. We was hustling. Correct. He had a record label. You know, Surrender Records. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. We'll talk about that story, too.

We'll talk about it. No, I didn't. He was 1090. No, no, no. Is that how tripper. He was 1090. No, no, no. Is that how it happened? He was 1090? No. We can talk about that soon. All right, later.

Later. Later. Let's stay back on the source. Okay, okay. Big up to Paul Pierce. Right. Y'all cool now? Yeah, it was cool then.

Okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? You know Rasheed Rollins want to come up here. You know, he might. Rasheed cool. I know Rasheed too. Rasheed was there that day.

No, Rasheed wasn't there. He was in the playroom. I'm talking with you. Look at that. He had to think about it. you know he might rush she could i know what she was there that day no but she wasn't playing no i remember that trust me i remember that so let's let's let's talk about it right you made the transition to reality but before you made the transition to reality right you didn't give a fuck about telling the industry to kiss your ass. Nah. How did that attitude derive? It wasn't.

No, it was just different times. You know what I'm saying? Back then, you know what I'm saying? It was just, I don't know. You know, I'm from Boston. Right. Always kind of, I always got a little, I'm older, so I got a little revolutionist in me, you know? Revolutionist in me.

Yeah, well, you know, because. Black Panther-ish. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Because it's like you're seeing the struggle and you're looking at things that ain't right. And, you know, you're seeing people being politically correct. I really didn't understand what that was. Why? As much as I do now.

Why? You know what I'm saying? But back then, I felt like I had no political correctness. That's when you know you're a real revolutionary, is when you have no political correctness. I don't think of that anymore, because I have a lot of politically correctness. Let's make some noise for that.

I'm being honest. I'm being honest. But that don't take away, you know, that spirit. Your hood is. The hoodness is different. The hood's there. I did it, done that, but I'm saying as far as really giving a fuck for the betterment of our culture. I'm going to have to actually take another shot of Hennessy because I'm about to go deep.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Pause. Pause. Pause. Look at, you know, I love when Zeno get drunk. Do you remember the time he got drunk and you left in the whale ship? Oh, shit.

I don't drink. I don't drink. I don't drink. I don't drink. Do you remember that time? got drunk and you left in the whale ship? Oh shit! I don't drink, I don't drink, I don't drink. You remember that time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't drink like him. He drinks different. Like, they drink different. You know what I'm saying? There was no Snapchat, there was no Instagram.

I remember that. People had to actually listen to my story on this or that. They thought he wasn't from Snapchat. The niggas, he walked in the hotel, and they was like, yo, I can't walk. They went and got him a wheelchair. I was like, oh, my God. This is a body right here. And there was no film.

But y'all was drinking. I was drinking. Zeno's not really a drinker. He's not like a drinker. And then he started hanging out with me. You know what I noticed when you get fucked is when you mix champagne, you see white,

you just, all over the place. Right. But see, but that's how they drink. Like they, like they. Oh, Sonny?

Are you trying to make me and Sonny? Yeah. I ain't go for a Dave drink like that too. Dave is a, Dave, let me just tell you about Dave. Listen,

I've hung out with Dave just like I hung out with you. And Dave, he be drunk, he just be quiet. He just be like, he be hung out with you. And Dave, he be drunk. He just be quiet. He be fucked up. He be fucked up. He be quiet.

Them niggas drink different. Yeah, yeah. Them niggas is the liver boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sonny's a transsexual. He drink anything. He drink anything. I said it wrong.

A trisexual. He tries anything My bad My bad My bad My bad Yeah big difference Big difference

So Zeno Let's go Cause you know We on the podcast I'm still waiting for the I always had to ask this question Uh huh You got five mics

Man Did you have anything to do With that mic sister Man listen Listen You know what I'm be honest with you right It's like You know You know like Did you have anything to do with that, Mike? Man, listen. Listen. You know what? I'm being honest with you, right? It's like, you know, when you have relationships, you know what I'm saying, in the industry,

male and female friends, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're friends. Friends or relationships? Friends. That's two different things. Friends. I'm saying, like, when you're dealing with covers and magazines, it's all about relationships with the, with the artists.

You know what I'm saying? With the person. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You got to talk to us for real. He's probing. He's probing. No,

no, I think I answered that correctly though. Oh, well you smashed. That was the politically correct. Huh? Well you smashed. What?

Well you smashed. We can't, we, we, we, we, we, we,

we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, What are you smashing? We can't. Five mics, man. Come on, man.

Five mics. Five mics, man. This is the room on the street. Because you know why? The room on the street. I no no no no because you know you don't say just as as gentlemen we don't we don't we don't kiss and tell you know I'm saying we don't we don't kiss, just as gentlemen, we don't kiss and tell. You know what I'm saying? We don't kiss and tell as gentlemen.

You know what I'm saying? That was just a rumor on the street. There's a rumor? Because there's a lot of people. I can't believe you said that shit. No, no, listen, listen. What the fuck? There's a lot of people who wanted to do records.

But there's a rumor that You actually were What? Both of them I think I think we should make some noise for that Make some noise Even if Even if

Even if it's just a rumor Fuck it Spread the rumors Spread the rumors It's back in the day Before you met your wife It's back in the day Listen, listen

Listen, listen No Listen, listen Listen Cause I'm going I'm going straight Take another shot Take another shot Salud Salud

Oh man You Yeah You told me you wanted to do this I didn't know I didn't know if you made it From that angle But

Sorry I'm a media guy now Like it's Roles is reversed's roles is reversed the roles is reversed first you know Dave and Z you know used to

hit me for his interviews and guess what I'm hitting you off oh man so man you know what

you know what the two be you still didn't answer the question you know what you know what it be about honestly it's about relationships it's about relationships

with everybody in this business Dave would say so who you would say is better tell him Dave so who would you would say is better? Tell him, Dave. So who would you say is better? So who would you say is better?

Rapping? Rapping? Whichever way you want to answer it. I'm going to be honest with you. Both of them are really the best thing to do now. It's going to come a time you got to see them. They ain't seen it. They ain't seen it.

No, no, no. You're going to dodge the question? It's not dodging nothing. We're going to play a game. I know a lot of people on hip hop. Hold on, hold on. This is what we're going to do, Zeno. We're going to play a game. If you don't want to answer the question, you're going to take a shot.

All right? All right, but I got to pour the shot. What you mean? That's the way you got to go. What you mean? I'm going to ask you a certain random question. If you don't want to answer, this is Drake Champs. Okay, okay, but hold on.

Hold on, no, no, no. We have to compromise that. Wait. No, no, no. Let the shots be pre-poured and we agree on the shots. Okay, pre-poured. I agree on that. All right, yeah. Pre-poured. It's not going to let you pour the shot. Okay. wait you don't know okay let the shots be pre-ported we okay yeah people it's not gonna let you pull a shot we'll be dancing out this month that's that's a

shame you're my friend let me get away with a little bit so which one is better oh no no no no no I'ma tell you which one's better. They both incredible Great way to answer. That's how a gentleman answers. They both are. They both incredible. They were never in the wrong, she said. A little bit? A little bit, maybe. Maybe? Five mics. How did that five mics happen?

I'm a very private person when it comes to any type of situation like that. Wait, but was my album worth five mics you think? In your opinion? She didn't get five. I thought she got four and a half. No, I think she got five. Yeah, she got five. She got five.

Oh, okay. So then, you know what? I forget what the name of that album is. It's right under the door here. No, because I don't know. I don't know what she got five. Not at all. Not at all.

In my mind, in my mind. Do you think she should have got five? I drink. Go ahead. You ain't going to tell me to drink Do you think she should have got five? I drink. Go ahead. If you ain't going to drink, I'm answering the question. I actually... Do you think she should have got five?

I'm a media guy. Well, I'm going to ask you. Why are you pulling up on me like that? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm fucking with you, Steve. Listen, listen, listen, listen. We don't care. But, all right, we're going to play this game now. Okay, let's fucking with you, Steve. Listen, listen, listen, listen. We don't care. But, all right, we're going to play this game now. Okay, let's go. Let's go. We heard you the great vibe.

Right. At one point. Yes. You was in love with. Oh, what the fuck? Man. What do you mean? This is a lie.

I thought we were talking about. I'm going back. I'm going back. I'm going back. I'm going back. I'm going back to hip-hop. I just want to see if you're going to take the shot or not. I'm moving on from here. I'm going to see if you're going to take the shot or not.

I'm going to see if you're going to take the shot or not. Yo, first of all, this isn't about relationships. This isn't about this. We don't know what it's about. I watch all your podcasts. We ask none of them niggas. None of them niggas. None of them niggas.

What the fuck? I'm a nigga. What the fuck? With all due respect, none of them niggas got the reputation you got. Yo, you know, sex symbol. I love Althea. That's who I love. And I'm going to drink to that. I love you. Or you drink it. I love you, Althea. Or you drink it. Or you drink it., you a sex symbol. I love Althea. That's who I love. And I'm a drink to that.

I love you. Or you drink it. I love you, Althea. Or you drink it. Althea, Althea, Althea. Take the whole shot. I want to see it. Take the whole shot.

Mm. Mm. Oh, it's going down. It's going down. So you was. High five. I love it. You got a good hit list, man.

Come over here. Come over here. When you're hit list, you got to brag. Like, it's been a pass. It's in the past. You're one of our in the past it's in the past let's come on let's talk about your hit list my hit list is short yo thank you for being a good sport, man. You know I'm fucking... David was looking at me like, you know.

We premeditated this. I'm sorry. But listen, so let's get back to... Let's get back to... Right now, we got the number one podcast right now. Oh, shit. Our number one enemy. His name...

Oh, shit. I don't want to call him an enemy. He's going in another direction now. He's liable to go somewhere. So listen. Yo, I'm still shook up from the last segment, yo. I'm fucked up. It's okay.

This is all rumors. This is all rumors. This is all rumors. Listen, the drink champs, none of the stories are actual factual. I'm nice. Because we're actually. Who am I to see that? Drunk Fakes.

Drunk Fakes. You want me to give you another hard question? No, no, no. Let's keep it back to head. That's on me right there. So one of our direct competition people is a guy named Elliot Wilson. That was our son. He was employed by you guys.

Our son. Where did he work for y'all at? That was our son. Okay. That was our fucking son. Now you want to talk. Let's go. Let's go.

Exactly. Okay. So what happened? Let's bring him down. He was a music editor. He was a music editor he was a music editor we use it when do we adopt him like So what just say I put him on when do we adopt him? We'll put Elliot Rostick on. Okay, okay, okay. So, so. Give him a nice little situation. He was a good guy, too. He was a cool guy. Hold on. I heard you spitting in his face.

Is that true? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This was after, that was way after. David's looking old. He was editing episodes. I don't know where he is. He was a music editor. He was never there.

He was an assistant, assistant music editor. This was probably like 97, 98. He used to go get the Phillies and the Dutch. Nah, don't say that. Because we're going to ruin this. Word. Word. He was the Carlito.

I remember a few times. He used to go get our lunch. The lunch? The lunch. You ordered it back then. Let me see. Probably like some wings and some other shit. Whatever.

But he used to get the lunch. You know what I'm saying? I mean, right? He was like, what? Lunch meat. He was... No, I mean, he was, you know, he was... Stop!

Music is... It's a label made. I probably can't label me. Okay, okay. Stop! He was there for six years. Six years. About four.

So you guys put him on. You deep cloned him. You taught him the editorial. Everything he knows. Oh, wow. Everything he's seen at the source, he brought over there to XXL. Which, by the way, Harris just went under Harris Publications. Are we going to make some noise for that?

Let me tell you why. Because, remember, it was always them against us. And now, since we're Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publications. So are we going to make some noise for that? That's big, yeah. That's big. Because after we lost the source, they thought it was over for us. You feel me?

We was banished from the program. So let me get to a question. And we're going to get back to Elliot. It's great for us. Right, right. But the new source, have you ever bought a new source and just looked through it? Not, you know, like this recently. No, I would ever bought a new sauce and just look through it not you know just like this recently no i would never buy i would never buy you but we would never buy it because it was

once your company or you never buy it because their content is just not both up to date right now okay check check you know what i'm saying it ain't our no more 18 years a lot of things went through us with that a lot of good bad and ugly with that. A lot of good, bad, and ugly. And y'all was cool with Londell Manila, right? It was cool with everybody. He was our lawyer. He was our lawyer. Everybody was our lawyer back then.

Reggie O'Sears was your lawyer? Man, we worked with so many motherfuckers. It was crazy. So are you trying to say that he did something under the table? Like he was your lawyer, so he knew something? Nah. Nah. He just jumped in on something. He just wanted to be us. Are you trying to say that he did something like under the table, like he was your lawyer, so he knew something? Nah, nah, nah. No, he just jumped in on something. He just wanted to be us.

You see, a lot of these motherfuckers thought that once they, no, it's the truth. It's the truth. It's the truth. Like, when Black Enterprise took the magazine, look at it. Oh, yeah. Look at it. Let me tell you all a secret, right? Me and Dave went to Bob Johnson, right?

Right before he was Bob Johnson. Our viewers are dumb. That's the guy who used to own be home be to before he sold BT for three billion dollars let's make some noise himself even if you're going to a foul story all right all over three right I think he's the only shot of who he's want to sew the Hornets yeah it's a Jordan right yes I don't know Jordan you know okay okay of the Panthers. Jordan, you know what I'm saying? Okay, okay. So the long story short, you know,

we was in the hole 30 million like with a bank loan. So, you know, Bob... Which means you had to at least make 60, 70 million to be in the hole 30. Bob wanted... Let's make some noise

for y'all niggas killing the game. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I got to pick y'all up. I got to pick y'all up. Come on, add horns. Come on.

Go ahead. It was... Yo, those days was crazy. So y'all was in the hole and he kind of like... I'm saying he wanted to be your love. Come on, give him a hand. Come on, give him a hand. Go ahead. Yo, those days was crazy. So, y'all was in a hole, and he kind of like... I'm saying he wanted to buy the magazine. Straight out. For y'all directly? So, we flew to his office, me and Dave.

And what was his office, L.A. or New York? At this time, it was D.C. D.C.? I'm sure. B.T., yeah. Oh, yeah, B.T. Bob Johnson. No, it's Bob Johnson.

Oh, Bob Johnson. I'm bugging. Okay. So, you know, we... And there wasn't any picture. We wanted $80 million for it. We, Bob Johnson. I'm bugging. Okay. So, you know, we wanted 80 million for it. We went and asked him for 80 million. And he came out and he came back. He said, well, I'll write you a $55 million check today.

And we was looking back. You know what I'm saying? We said, you know, Bob, give us some money. We went in the room. Me and Dave, just us two. And we figured after, like, paying off the bank loan and taxes and everything else, we would have ended up with a few million dollars apiece. The whole thing about the source was, and I say that to say this,

the whole thing about the source was that how dysfunctional, as dysfunctional, how do you say it? I always get it. Dysfunctional, as it may have seemed, the relationship between me and Dave and how it was was kind of made the source of what it was. Dave being from college, I'm being from the streets. It just came from two perspectives and that's how we ran the magazine.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we didn't want to lose the source and then be like, okay, we're not still runners of it because we know how it's almost like a car. So that was the offer. That offer was like, you gave you $55, but y'all not. Y'all are gone. Y'all are gone. Y'all are gone.

And we just couldn't do it. And how about you, Dave? You didn't like that as well? No, we wanted to stay involved because we saw bigger things. Wow. Wow. I mean, especially with the Source Awards. We did the Source All Access TV.

I mean, we was doing major things. But the problem was me and Dave wasn't with everybody. But in York and that and that and that like up there it's like a club of dudes that been in and out you know that Norby you know I'm saying in those offices up in New York in the industry it's the same people that just revolve from office to office to office because they all feel comfortable with each other and God bless them because I've dealt with a lot of them I've made a lot of money with them so I have nothing bad to say about anything but I just don't think that me and Dave was a lot of them. I've made a lot of money with them, so I have nothing bad to say about anything, but I just don't think that me and Dave was a part of that. You know what I'm saying?

And by that, meaning, you know, we had our own independent views. We didn't have to be politically correct. We didn't have to kiss no ass because it stopped up here. We didn't have to answer to nobody. And you guys were like the first, like, major media company to invest in online media. I remember that

early. That's how we lost, though. That's ultimately how we lost. That's how we over $30 million. I thought that was a great... That was what did us in. Tell them what happened. That was me just investing early. When the dot-com came out, when it was all that going

crazy with that, that's when I went and took out a big... And then it crashed. I bet the magazine on the internet. And when I borrowed 10, 15 million dollars and started doing all kinds of stuff... This was like 6, 7 years before the world stars and all that. It was just too early. Nobody understood

it. We was way ahead of our time. Time is everything. But Dave, it gotta feel crazy now for you to know that you had the vision for what... Because by you investing all that money, you actually see where it's gonna be now. So it gotta feel crazy now for you to know that you had the vision for what because by you investing all that money you actually see where it's going to be now so it gotta feel crazy that maybe it didn't work but

your idea was 100% correct you know that right I mean we know we'll see we'll see where we go from here but that's real though it was him Steve Stiles and Greg Young and they invested he He asked me. And I was like, I don't know nothing about that shit.

Okay. I don't know nothing about computers, none of that. Fuck all that. I don't know what the fuck it is. So Steve Stout, was y'all cool with Steve Stout? I mean, you know what I'm saying? Steve is like somebody that we've always had that love-hate thing with. You know what I'm saying?

We've got money with him, too. We broke bread with him. But then Steve has another side of him that is about that, again, like that crew. You know, I call it that crew.

You know what I'm saying? And me like, you know, I'm just saying like, you know, at the end of the day, the other side. You know what I mean?

Like there's a few sides. You know what I'm saying? And that's what I say. I just think that me and Dave was too a little bit rough under the edges for him. We wasn't status quo. Right. And the source was getting money like we was getting 25. I just think that me and Dave was too a little bit rough under the edges for him. We wasn't status quo.

Right. And the source was getting money. I'm the one that introduced Steve to the whole advertising business. Peter Arnell, that was his first partner in the advertising business. When I met Steve,

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You see, in this industry, a lot of people, we don't get our props when we do the right thing. So we're going to get to the crap bottom of these stories. So you're the guy who introduced him to the advertisement firm that he started working with, and they started doing the Reebok thing and all that. Absolutely, absolutely. He was working up at RCA Records. He was at A&R up there for a little while. He gave us a deal. He gave a deal for Almighty R. Absolutely. Absolutely. He was working up at RCA Records. He was at A&R up there

for a little while. He gave us a deal. He gave a deal for All Mighty RSO. He gave us a deal. He used to give me budgets for videos. You know what I'm saying?

I was getting money. He had like budgets to do videos. He would take these 15 stacks. I would do the video for like five stacks. You know what I'm saying? Put 10.

You know what I'm saying? I remember one time some shit I had, I got locked up and I had spent all the money. He came to Boston. He was like, yo. And it was for this white artist

named Bass Blaster out of Connecticut. You never heard of him, but hey. Yo, it was for... They signed him up. You remember him, my friend? Yeah. Yeah, yo. They gave me 15 grand.

You remember him or you just not? No, it's real. That's real. Bass Blaster. This was before. This was like one of the first... Because Steve been trying to do this white rapper thing for, you know, a minute. But you want me to put the vinyl on Instagram? No, like Steve had visions of this, of a white crossover rapper.

Wow. He was the first one to really have visions of this. Wow. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure the people had it in their mind. Of course, when Vanilla Ice came up, what I'm saying, as far as Steve, he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of, look, these kids out here, these white kids, we can give them someone of their own.

And I always felt like, no, that's the opposite of what hip-hop is. The white kids are coming to the hoods because they love the music. It has nothing to do with the race. You can't make it race because when you make it race, that's when it gets all screwed up. So, interesting thing, we had Mick Bleak on here recently,

right? And Mick bleak said, he was shout out to Blake. No doubt. Yup. Fucking right. We spoke about the Rockefeller breakup, right? And,

um, all, like all the employees are how like every successful team now has a Rockefeller employee. That's, that's, that's, that's a part of a team,

whoever it be. Right. Do you, you guys got to feel the same way. Like, I mean, how many people came from the source?

Oh, man. Elliot Wilson. Oh, hold on. Miss Info? What did Miss Info work for?

Riggs Morales. Riggs Morales. Riggs Morales. Isn't he like, who's the guy on CNN that's like this, oh, we can go on.

You got a guy on CNN. I mean, we can go on. Hold on, I didn't know that part. What do you have, you got a guy working the source?

No, not Torre. The other dude. Torre. Torre came through the source. Okay, it's not a Torre. What's your, Mike, Mike Elliott, who directed Love and Basketball and all that. He's. Tore came through Source. Okay, there's a lot of Tore's.

Mike Elliott, who directed Love and Basketball and all that. They just put it on Elliott. Yeah, Mike Elliott started with us. Elliott Wilson. Elliott Wilson. I'm not Elliott Wilson. That's his name. Elliott Wilson, Mike Elliott. No, it's Mike Elliott.

Mike Elliott? Mike Elliott directed Love and Basketball. Mike Elliott directed Love and Basketball and a few other movies and shit. Browns. Just a little more apps, right? Huh? Because I'm so fucked up with Love and Hip Hop and Love and Basketball. He was other movies and shit. Brown Sugar. It's just Omar Apps, right? Huh? Because I'm so fucked up with Love and Hip Hop

and Love and Basketball. He was like, yeah, those were his movies. So you feel me? So look, so it's like a lot of people came through them offices. A lot of people came

through the sources. Tyson Beckford, we discovered him. Tyson Beckford, y'all discovered the source? The Boondock. He was the first. Yeah, the Boondock's cartoon

started in the source. Definitely, definitely, I remember that. Yeah. Talk to me remember that. Yeah. Tell me about that. Come on, man. How did that happen? How did that happen, D?

Well, he actually, he was doing it in the University of Maryland newspaper. When I went home to D.C., I had to, I think my mom gave me the newspaper. I seen the comic in there. That's from the Boondocks. Boondocks. It's dope. Put it right in. I remember the first time you came in

So you put it in a sauce? Yeah it was a cartoon strip It was a cartoon strip in a sauce It was the only cartoon strip in a sauce Like in a newspaper Yeah Think about Hey think about all the graffiti

The sauce introduced You know what I'm saying Motherfuckers never like Like honestly Niggas wasn't fucking Like you know what the crazy shit about Sauce kept graffiti going For a long time

When I told all my friends I was like yo You know I got Benzino And Dave Mays Like people were sitting there Like you know, I got Benzino and Dave Mays. People were sitting there like, you know how much I used to read the back. They used to read every part of that. When a person discovered that in jail, the Source magazine, I got to commend you guys because there's never been a magazine that's been that credible.

People don't listen to people right now. A person can do another. There's plenty of magazines to try to bite your mic rating system. It never worked, man. How proud are y'all of that? You know what I mean? I mean, Dave can feel that. You know what I mean?

I can feel that with you, Dave. Go ahead. We was there first, you know, and we did it the right way, you know what I mean? You know, we kept it street, kept it real, kept it hip-hop, you know what I mean? And it was a beautiful thing. We didn't answer nobody. We owned and controlled our own thing. We wasn't... You know, we was... Out of all the entrepreneurs,

you go back and look at the history, Russell Simmons on everybody down, they all had major corporation partners backing them. You know, ours was completely... Completely independently. It wasn't until the dot com

that's when I lost control of it because I bet everything on the dot com. But you were right. You were just ahead of his time. That's crazy that you got to be punished for being smarter than everybody else.

Then imagine this. Then it ends up that the internet is killing print magazine. Yeah, right. You see what I'm saying? He knew it, though. He seen it. He knew it. Like, I know he's a genie. He seen it. Next time he say something, you gotta just listen. You gotta give him two ears on it. I mean, look, you know, it happens. It happens, but, you know, but you can't worry about that

shit. Let's get to the source awards. You gotta keep going. You know what I'm saying? Let's get to the source awards. Whose idea was it, and why did everybody get shot over off there? Nobody ever got shot. You had a good performance at the Sauce Awards. I had a couple of good performances. All right, come on now. I just never won a Sauce Award.

The Sauce Awards was big. We'll get to that later. You're still my brother. You're still my brother. I never won a Sauce Award. But listen, at this time, when you were hot hot You had to be at the source How did you guys come up with that idea? How does a magazine company figure

Will do awards? Start in the magazine Start in the magazine first The awards was in the magazine The whole thing with the source Was to be a voice for the culture So as we're being a voice for the culture We're seeing that hip-hop isn't being

recognized in fact it's being you know disrespected at award shows the grammys things like that that had hip-hop categories in the late 1980s everything they were doing was just you know yeah disrespectful so you know it was natural for us to want to come up with a, you know, a forum to be able to recognize, you know, the real stuff that was going on. So that was my that was my whole idea. So the first thing was to bring it to MTV and Yo! MTV Raps. We did it as a day on Yo! MTV Raps where we gave out the Source Awards. That's how it started. That was the very first one, 1991 With Ed Lover and Dr. Dre

You guys gotta stop Moving back there Okay listen listen You guys are fucking up This shit You gotta Stop moving please You're moving and snoring

Smack the nigga And snore Please And come over here man Be a part of the conversation So listen This is what I wanna ask That shit of the night day

Woo That wasn't the first That was big No way What was that The second or third Remember Bernie that wasn't the first that was big what was that the second or third remember Bernie Mac hosted the first one imagine that Bernie Mac hosted the first one it was at the Paramount Theater

in New York so what was the first one the first one was in New York too same thing how did that moment sit in when the whole Wu-Tang Clan came out we got videotapes of all these shit we had to do what best of the source was So how did that moment sit in? When the whole Wu-Tang Clan came out, ODB, like we got videotapes of all these shits, right?

We had to do a Best of the Sorcerers, and I had to edit out all of them. So we had to combine all this shit, and man, just sitting there editing and seeing all these groups. The biggest thing with me, because I come from group and hip-hop, and regardless of anything, I love hip-hop. Tell them.

Let's make some noise for that. Let's make some noise for that. I mean, obviously, like, for real, I was a DJ. Wait, wait, wait. You was a DJ? Yeah, Rock, Shock, and Ray Dogg. That was your name? Rock, Shock, and Ray Dogg.

That's hard. Yeah. You should go back to that name. That's it. It's hard. Yeah, so, for real, it's like, you know what I'm saying? Honestly, like, that's the essence of hip-hop. You know what I'm saying?

DJ, DJ spitting for the motherfuckers, you know, spitting honestly like that that's the essence of hip-hop you know i'm saying dj dj spinning for the motherfuckers you know spitting but there's sauce awards where suge knight he was in new york city did you did you know that was probably the like the minute where the east coast west coast beef not not not say it's spark but that was the time it came on national front like um we had always heard that you know know, there had been some beef brewing. But when Phil came there, it was like. It was timing. That was just timing. But did you guys, was you guys aware of that?

Of course. But it was timing. You was aware he was going to say it? No, no, no, no, no. It was going to be tension. We was aware something could have popped off. Right, because you had heard the beef or whatever. Yeah, and we didn't have to see what was crazy about that particular one.

Like, we've had, like, the later ones, we've had more tight security. A lot of times with the Nation of Islam, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Nation of Islam, you know, Mr. Farrakhan, because he's always dealt with security. They've always handled it. But back then, we really didn't have a lot of security at that one. So some was going to jump off. When all that shit was saying, when Sugar was

saying all that and everything. That would have been the one to pop off because there wasn't a gang of security up there. Now when the Salsa Wars when Tupac came on That was the first one. That was the first one. We did it out on bail and just snapped.

So what happened? Tupac snatched Tribe's request, right? So Tribe's getting the award. You know what I'm saying? While he's getting the award, Popkin is already setting up wherever the sound man is, bringing him to the dance. Now, was that a mistake or that was done over?

We knew nothing about this one. We knew nothing about this one, nigga. So that man went to the sound man and told the nigga, yo, you're going to put this in there, the Out on Bail song, the Dap Man or whatever. So like they had him had him off nobody knew that they just went and just had him hostage oh you took my pocket though yeah pocket they came back about 12 13 14 date couple niggas

went right to the sound man we never knew this this is what you know i'm saying i seen big sight and later on he told me the whole shit so okay but i from what from my viewpoint without that i just remember him going up there and then he grabbed because I was kind of backstage and I remember I was back there with Total

and then he just went up there and Q-Tip was saying his speech and just grabbed the shit and said, yo,

throw that shit out. Out of O'Bell and all them niggas started just doing it. And the music did come on. And the music came on and he ripped that shit

and I remember backstage I remember Q-Tip? The niggas started just doing it. And the music did come on. And the music came on. He ripped that shit. All right. And I remember backstage, I remember what... Q-Tip? Them niggas came back. And they stepped in. Them niggas was like... One of them niggas was crying, like really upset. You don't remember what you did?

It's not God Rest the Dead fight. The other one. God Rest the Dead fight. There was two more. Jerobe. Not Jerobe. The other one. Ali Shaheed. Ali Shahid Ali Shahid

He was just upset Kicking over shit Just mad as shit Because they was gonna perform When they was presenting Nah but this was their big award You know what I'm saying They was accepting their award

They just got it And he just went up there To see Alright let me get that You know As wild as the saucer was And as wild as it got Biggie was in the audience though

At that first show Yeah Was when that happened Let's make some noise was Biggie was an audience though Yeah Let's make some noise for Biggie As wild as the Sauce Awards was And as Monumented There's never been somebody On that aspect Nobody has ever been able to

Duplicate No The Sauce Awards in a hip-hop version. I have never seen an award show. I don't give a fuck what happened backstage. You guys held it together in an award show. It was an amount of respect for the magazine and really for the relationship. Like I told you, the relationships. It's hard dealing with artists

when they get mics and when they, you know what I'm saying? Because again, I would have nothing to do with it and motherfuckers could be mad at me because they didn't get the product. You know?

I'm sorry. Sorry, guys. So anyways, You just made great shows. I mean, those shows were great shows. But it was the real niggas, though. I'm going to be honest.

You guys are my friends. You guys are my brothers. You guys are my family. But I'm not those shows were great shows. But it was the real niggas though. I'm going to be honest. You guys are my friends. You guys are my brothers. You guys are my family. But I'm not saying that because of this. I sit back and I watch award shows and just so happens there has never been an award show presented as dope as the Source Awards. I appreciate that. Thank you.

I mean, I'm just keeping it honest with you. Like, how do you feel about that? Do you think it can with you. How do you feel about that? Do you think it can ever be done? Or do you think that you guys should do an award show again? We had the blueprint. You still got the blueprint. You ain't giving it to nobody.

I'm saying as far as we started the blueprint. As far as giving great shows for artists that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage in other award shows. Once Dave cleared it with the networks to get on TV, because remember, it was on BET, UPN 33. I mean, Dave got it all over the place, on major networks, on cable networks, the Source Awards for, like, remember, this was just... They even had a Source TV show, right?

The All Access. Two of them. Two different shows. And the Source Sound Lab were two times on Saturday. Saturday afternoon, 12 o'clock. We gave Ray J his first TV show. Ray J was the first host.

First time on TV was through us. Shout out to Ray J. Ray J did hit it first. That's what's correct. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for Ray J.

So, what do you guys think of these award shows now? Like, do you think these guys should hire you like as a consultant at least? Don't lie. Keep it real.

Don't lie. Oh, yeah, keep it 1,000, my nigga. Fuck you. They should. Hell, yeah. Don't wait. But you can't replicate that error either. No, no, you can't.

It's an error. You can't. No, no, no. No, the problem is motherfuckers are scared to fuck with the real shit. That's always been the problem. It's always the inability if we can't control certain motherfuckers and their crews. Because it ain't easy. You know what I'm saying?

But it's like, but there's a way that you deal with motherfuckers. We all know that. We all come from the street. We all know how to deal with everybody. You know what I'm saying? But there's other people who can't deal like that. They don't have that respect. They don't have that.

Mutual respect. I think they don't even give it a chance. Right. You know what I'm saying? They already assume it's going to be some crazy shit not knowing this is going to be the shit. They wouldn't even try. Right. Jay Rock, you were snoring up crazy.

This is you, Jay Rock. QB's finest snorer. We never made it commercial and political. We just put the hottest Street niggas on Like didn't give a fuck What it was All over the place And like when you

When you go back And look at them shows Them shows will go down In history as like What American bandstand Is gonna be for rock Cause those shows Right there

All the source awards It'll never be like that again Not like that Not only that though But the The most iconic groups Were together You know what I'm saying?

You and Capone. How about Punt? Did you ever, he said, and jerk me like the sauce. That was crazy. What did y'all think about that? Y'all jerked me too in the same sense of words. How do you think about, who was you up against? Tell me, who was you up against? Sip the Chaka won, man. No. Yeah, Sip the Chaka.

Take a glance at me. Look at me in my eyes. Look at me in my eyes. Look at me in my eye. Look at me in my eye. Look at me in my eye. Yo, this is the situation, right? This is the situation. Silt and Shaka beat me in big manager.

Nah, shout to Silt and Shaka. Shout to Matt. That whole movement. Listen, at the end of the day, he was high himself. Like, Silt was big. I ain't hating, but I'm petty. You know what I'm saying? I'm not hating, but I'm petty.

Of course, because you didn't understand I'd probably be petty too But who else was up? You, Silk, who else? I just remember Silk being us I don't remember It was like I don't know That's what made The Source great

Soup the Choco was definitely internationally more popular Than me and Punch at that time I won't hate but I got love for Soup the Choco But The Source definitely showed internationally more popular than me and Punch at that time. I won't hate, but, you know, I got love for the Shocker, but we were like, did you think it was going to win?

Did you think it was going to win? Hell yeah, I thought it was going to win. I'm going to keep it real. For real. One was in front of me, Daz,

because I think Corrupt dropped the album. I think Daz and Corrupt was there that day. And we all looked at each other like, yo, what's up, what's up, what's up, what's up?

They're like, yeah, one of us is going up. So the Shocker was all the way on the other side that jumped up i was like oh no disrespect well i was like oh no oh no the silk little one and yeah and then the party made that rhyme like did you what did the punch say when he said he said so no no no what the punch said with your laws what did he say no none of us said nothing to each other we were just like this you What did Ponce say when you lost? He said... No, no, no, no. What did Ponce say when you lost? What did he say? None of us said nothing to each other. We were just like,

they pay. No limit is rich. He was just like, no limit is rich. You know what I'm saying? For real. I still haven't got over it. You know what I mean?

But yeah, I won the Salsa Award. But that's, you know why? I think that you guys were so great. You guys were doing, it's just like, you know, us doing this episode. Sometimes we might not know how great it is.

But there's so many people that are young people. Like, when we got our viewers back and when, you know, people said, you know, we were doing like 400,000. And we were expecting people to say, the viewers, they're saying 16 to 24. Which lets people know that people want to go back and research these things. You know what I'm saying? So, yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards. You guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys got Hip Hop Weekly.

Like, how did that come about? Because it's like, what is that? Like, I don't want to say gossip because that like downplays it. Or is it? I mean, well, you know, after being indicted by the feds going bankrupt losing everything motherfucker had to start thinking about the future and what else that he knows and his expertise at we knew that we was magazine man we knew that if if we still fucked with each other we had a chance we still had the same connects dave still had the same distribution um so was there ever a time when you guys had that, the moment where, I see you just brought up the feds,

but like, when you guys said, man, maybe we should separate. After being sued for sexual harassment. Wait, wait, you got sued for sexual harassment? Let's get into it. Kim Azario? We really ain't supposed to talk about it? Okay, alright, no, no, no. I don't know.

Is it seven years? It was some crazy, that shit was crazy. I don't know. Is it seven years? Is it seven years past? It was some crazy. That shit was crazy. We sit in a federal building and they talking about a nigga's nuts in the federal court down there. That was crazy. Crazy.

So, um... Oh, hold on. Nuts never got me. It's a little different But um So we can't talk about The sexual harassment I mean you know

You know that Like with the source Like I It was my decision To give Kim To be the first woman Editor And chief of the magazine

It was my idea She had been working There five years I kind of like Looked beside The woman man thing And just seen that she was qualified. She was a hell of a writer.

Against popular demand. This was an unpopular choice for me to do this. I was looking over people. So I did it. You know what I'm saying? And man, we went on. Oh my God, who poured me that drink? There's no more pineapple?

Oh my God. Yeah, sorry, sorry. Mother dying to podcast. She'd no more pineapple? Oh, my God. You're going to die in the podcast. You'd be the most legendary guest, that way. No, no, no. Go ahead. No, no. So, I mean, basically, it was just a situation where I'd never seen anything like it, you know. But what I've noticed in business, like I've learned being a part of business because, again, I was a street nigga.

You know what I'm saying? Selling drugs. And, you know, I learned business and magazine through dave all right um let's make some noise for dave thank you dave thank you clap your fucking hands man come on man they've been filming our food show for three days no but no but no but every day in the sun but it was like but it was like a long time before i even seen money from the source, when the source was made. Yeah, it was years. I heard the source actually started from a pamphlet, right?

A newsletter. How the fuck do you take a newsletter to a $30 million company? I need to be a friend of $30 million. It's almost a $100 million company. Okay, let's make some noise for me. I work for $100 million. Everybody!

I know niggas work for $100 million, man for a hundred million. God damn it. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. I know niggas work for a hundred million, man. Come on. Let's do it. So that's crazy, man. And now,

and now, so many people came from there. Are there people that, because I heard there was XXL, you want to talk about that? No, XXL directly,

bitches. Artists, Biggie, Common, you guys. I mean,? No, XXL directly, bitches. Artists, Biggie, Common. Yo, all my unsigned hype. Unsigned all the time. Mobb Deep. I was in unsigned hype. Eminem was in unsigned hype.

Who else you said? Mobb Deep was in unsigned. DMX. DMX was in unsigned hype. Biggie was in unsigned hype. Now, here you guys go. You guys finally make it. You got a magazine that's popping.

Why did you even think about putting on the guys that nobody cared about? Like, when I was in Uncited Height, nobody cared about me. But yet and still, you guys had the foresight to see that and put that on. Whose idea was that? Matty C. Matty. Yeah, Matty was a big part of that. Wow.

And wasn't Matty C the guy who helped discover Biggie as well? Yeah. Oh, let's make some noise for Matty C. Wherever you at, Matty C. Wow. And wasn't Matty C the guy who helped discover Biggie as well? Yeah. Oh, that's Richard Lewis and Matty C. Wherever you at, Matty C. And Riggs too, right? Riggs was a big part of that. Oh, yeah, Riggs. Riggs came in later on.

Later on. But the original was like Matty. I mean, honestly, to be honest, everybody that contributed to the source is a part of the success of the source. Throughout all the chaos and everything, you can't take away one's work, you know what I'm saying? One's body of work, and there was a lot of them. And it was from young people who

really lived and truly what they thought and understood and cared about hip-hop. I just think that in my opinion, like, you know, as the culture grew and it kind of like it was that one at one point

then all of a sudden it started kind of branching off in its own form in different places that's when it was harder to keep things together you know what I'm saying

Jay the Kid said something on our podcast he said hip hop is the only genre of music that has a south version that has an east coast version or

or a west coast version right but we did that there's a west coast version. Right. But we did that. There's no west coast. But niggas did that. Yeah, but what do you think that started from?

Because of gangs. The barrels. It's like, you know what I'm saying? Gangs. Like when a person say I'm from Boston, you say I'm from Roxbury.

I'm from Douglas. But it's funny because you could say that like if you in New York, you could be like, yeah, well, I'm from Queensbridge. I'm from Left Rack. But then if you go out of town, nigga, if you in New York, you could be like, yeah, well, I'm from Queensbridge. I'm from left rack.

But then if you go out of town, nigga, I'm from New York. Well, I'm from motherfucking, I'm from L.A. So it turns from street to city to, you know, if you go out the country, nigga, I'm from the United States. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it's just really, it's you trying to, it's us trying to rep something so hard that we're going to give our lives for it. Right. Sometimes it don't be the right thing. You know what I'm saying?

It don't be the right thing. You know. So you guys stuck together, man. You guys had beef with Dr. Dre. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Not like that. Let me just finish. Hold on.

Let me clear that up. You guys went against. Let me clear that up. Let me clear that up. Let's clear it up. Let's clear that up. Great place to clear it up. Within the whole Eminem thing Doc let's just get it

Dr. Dre is probably One of my heroes Like Motivators Legends I mean Influences Everything

To do with hip hop A lot of it You know what I'm saying Other than okay New York is where I got my hip hop from But Dr. Dre had so much Influence from his production

And just from the groups That he produced And me With my lover West Coast Hip Hop. You know what I'm saying? Because I loved it all. It was the situation. Yeah, there was never beef with him.

And it necessarily wasn't a beef with Eminem. Right. Do you ever just regret it? Just like sit down? No, for what? For what? It hasn't really changed my life. You know what I'm saying?

I don't look back. I mean, I know maybe in a way people could look at it as it has, but it really hasn't. I'm a hustling nigga that sold crack and drugs from a corner and came from the projects. So anything better than that is alright with me.

You know what I'm saying? Honestly. I'm not no nigga that's, like I've had millions, I've had nothing and everything in between, but I'm still Zeno been the same nigga alright let's make some noise for that guy you know what I'm saying alright

but but so you back in the days you guys like if you was against the sauce you was against the sauce but you guys like you was the

first people who was to stand up against corporations we heard rumors of Jimmy Iovine off of you guys deals I mean that was the whole

m&m beef oh that was well apart because of the beef oh i was confused that was that that was the situation really the whole thing with that was like i just felt like with mtv crossing the source of the death jam right the source you you you guys like if for y'all didn't you have the source like compilation and it came out on the internet that like that's the first time I ever seen a four and a half million dollar check like let's make some noise for that atmosphere. Somebody roll some weed. Leo gave me a four and a half million. One of the now compilations. You got a four and a half million for a compilation. I negotiated that. Okay. Did you pay the artist on that? I negotiated.

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just gotta tell you. You paid me. I'm sure they did. I was on one of them. You know what I'm saying? You guys, you guys, I don't know why you guys get a bad rap. You know what it is? Before, I mean, the thing is you guys are so powerful that it was easier to say you guys are bad guys than it is for people to try to get to

know you and what i mean by that is if a person know that they they shit is whack or they know that they can't get at you it's easier for them to say man i'm so ass niggas is whatever whatever but the minute you get in front you, you guys are hip-hop historians. You guys are great people. Like, why did you think you guys ever got the bad rap? What's going on? Because we wasn't, like, again, we wasn't just bowing down. You know what I'm saying?

We wasn't going along with. You know, conform. Yeah, conforming. Or conform. I don't know that word. We wasn't going along with the go-along. He was like the rebels. With me, it's looking like,

because that's how the feds came in. They thought I was straight. I got hit with all kinds of money laundering and extortion. They thought that I was the big drug dealer funding. The problem with that was the same thing with Murder, Inc. is that I don't think the people really understood how many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in. Like the sources. See, they're same thing with Murder, Inc. is that I don't think the people really understood how many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in.

Like the sources. See, they're thinking, oh, Murder, Inc. Joss sold 30 million units. That's a lot of fucking money. You know what I'm saying? Everybody clap. Clap. Clap.

Clap. Everybody clap. Come on, Dan. Come on. Yeah, so they just underestimated how much legal money it was. They thought it had to be some big, un-legal operation because of all this money, but much legal money it was. They thought it had to be some big, un-legal operation because of all this money, but that's what it was.

Because they was looking at the tax situation. After the criminal broke down, I had to deal with the taxes. I took it to trial, and they found me not guilty. I was one of the few to be found not guilty. Of course, I had to pay the fine. Yeah, like one of the few.

To be a federal tax case. Everybody caught taxes after that. Took it to trial the stir pay the fine. Yeah, well, I'm gonna be a few to be a federal tax I didn't put taxes that took it to the trial to the trial And you stood on your ground and you said my make some noise Going to trial right now. Yeah, am I a So look so they had our accountant wired up and shit to meet you you. Wired up, yeah. You know what I'm saying? The work at the source. That Dave hired. Wait up.

Hold on. Let's rewind that. They hired our accountant to. Dave hired the accountant. Yeah, but he didn't know. They approached him at Dunkin' Donuts over the George Washington Bridge. Oh, the fast approach to the accountant that you hired. And they asked him to wear a wire.

My accountant. My in-house. I was wearing a wire for three days. At Dunkin' Donuts, that first one on Route 4, the first Dunkin' Donuts, he said he went in there. They sat with him. They said, and he said the reason he did it because he thought it would be exciting to do. What? He wore a wire for like six months and shit. Wait, wait.

Tell me. I thought you were going to say 60 seconds. No, no, no. Six months. So who's he doing coming around you and like just cleaning his shoulder? He would be like, hey. He would be like, hey. He would be talking about conversations.

Yeah, he would be talking about conversations. And I'd be like, yo, check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't even fucking know you, Dave. You know what I'm saying? We talk Patriots and Jets. We're the Patriots and Jets. Other than that, I don't know you, so I don't talk to you about nothing. But you knew he was. I didn't know you, so I don't talk to you about nothing. But you knew he was,

you had a feeling it was just wrong. I just don't, I just don't even be having these conversations with motherfuckers. We ain't talking sports or some other shit. Motherfucker, I'm not sitting here

talking about taxes and all this other, what are you talking about, man? That's what the fuck you hired for. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Go talk to Dave. He hired you.

I don't know you. You know what I'm saying? And that's how it went until the nigga came, when I was on trial, he came in, he couldn't even look at me. You know what I'm saying? Go talk to Dave. He hides you. I don't know you. You know what I'm saying? And that's how it went. Until the nigga came. When I was on trial, he came in. He couldn't even look at me. I'm looking at this nigga like, and it was always cool.

I never did nothing to this motherfucker. I hardly know him. How long was he working there? George worked there a good five, six years at least. Five years? Making like $150,000 a year. And he wore a wire. I was about to say, make some noise for him.

Don't do that. We got to do something that's the opposite of making some noise. Damn, he wore a wire. That was whack. See, a lot of people don't understand. I used to give people on the source like real... No, like, real... Five mics?

No, no, no. Fuck five mics. Real diamond source change for the girls and for the guys. The real diamond and ice from Jacob. Man, we spent so much money with Jacob. It wasn't even ridiculous, man. Like, we took care of our people. You know what I'm saying?

We took care. This was before all the fake diamonds. This was the real... There wasn't no... For the boys and nights. For that. You know what I'm saying? Any fake diamonds this was the real there wasn't no for that you know what i'm saying any ites this was the real shit we were spending money taking care of niggas and like i don't know what it was man i just it was always an uphill climb for motherfuckers to

really try to you know street niggas fuck with us but it was like the industry motherfuckers wasn't too many fucking i knew you for so long we lived in the same building and i've never heard the story of a nigga wearing a wire. Yeah. This is my first time learning a lot. That's crazy. I'm learning a lot. You got a question here?

No, one thing, though, is that the first time I ever heard your name was in Carlito's Way's article. Carlito's Way, that's what he called it. Oh, okay. I get Carlito that job straight out of jail. You know what I'm saying? Come on now. Like, shit. Ask Carlito about Zeno.

As soon as you get out of jail, you hire him. Because we need niggas like that. Like, hire him. I was the one that do the hip-hop behind bars. That was my idea. You know what I'm saying? So you hired Carlito fresh off of jail? Out of jail.

Straight out of jail. Yeah, I remember Carlito. Y'all cool, right? He's cool. Yeah. Great dude. Great dude. Look, we ought to...

I don't see... I mean, if they still holding grudges this long, like, come on. When you say holding grudges, are you saying that, like, because you're saying you had arguments. Every relationship has an argument, whether it's your girl, your friend. No, this is more than arguments. Yeah, there was some thumps. A couple niggas got punched in the face? There was a couple, you know.

Let's talk about it. I remember it was at RCA Records. That's a source guy. The source niggas came up to the meeting we had at RCA Records. We were having a meeting about our EP. I've never heard of this. It was a press day. And they scheduled an interview.

Y'all got an album on the show. Steve Stahl gave us the deal on RCA when Clue was the assistant there at RCA Records. Before he was DJ Clue. He was Ernesto. He was just getting in. You know what I'm saying? What happened?

We didn't know, but they scheduled an interview. The source said they were going to come up and interview them. Then they came up there with a subpoena to try to serve them with the summons. Try to serve a subpoena? Who, who? The source niggas, the editors from the source. I heard something about this. They trying to boycott you?

No, no, no. This was an overtime. No, that was all related. It was all related. They came to RCA offices and lied to get upstairs to our press day. We have all these press days. And this is the people from the source? The source.

That you guys are employing? Like four of them. Reggie Dennis, James Bernard, a couple of them. They came up there and they stood in front of, like, we was on this big ass table. Now, mind you, we happy. We with the people at RCA. Garth Brooks is up in the building and shit like that. They already heard.

Niggas was wild. They waiting to, like, throw us out the building anyway. Right. Man. Like CBS is waiting to do to us, but go ahead. Just stole them. Bah! Bah, bah, bah, bah!

Next thing you know, Chaz, he went through the glass window. We got dropped from RCA the next week. Let's make some noise for y'all keeping it gangster. Sorry, if you didn't know, Drink Chats podcast, we make noise for the ignorant. We love it over here. Here, take one. Are you mad red, man?

I can tell you really put in work this week with me. Because, yo, listen, I'm mad black or up. In case you didn't know, I'm black or up. I was filming the Fool Show. Man, you was a part of our Fool Show. You're the first person. Yeah, yeah. And the podcast

In the same day This is what we plan on doing With the podcast Planning on traveling With the food show Getting people on the food show And then You remember we had Scarface

There today Right Shout out to Brother Mob That's my guy man He went to the hospital Yeah I heard y'all Fucked him up We almost killed Scarface today

See you gotta Yo I hope you saw In the contract If you We almost killed Scarface today. See, you gotta have... Yo, I hope you saw him in the car track if you eat some fucked up shit that Nori give you. No, nigga. I'm gonna be honest. Scarface is crazy. He's always been crazy. But like in a genius, crazy way.

No faces, man. He walked over in his throat. He went like this. I was like, oh, I thought that's like How a nigga do before he eat No because his shit swell up No his shit swell up Before he touched it Yeah

You can die because you can't breathe It'll block up your tooth Word So big up to Face Mall That's my brother man Thank you for coming to the Fool Show You know what I mean We'll try and get you on the podcast tomorrow

Because you gotta make it up to me You're my brother But hang hang But listen Talk to me Do you think The sauce A feeling like the sauce can ever be recreated like something like it like souls is natural and raw and you know discovering

new talent because i would say it would be this podcast but then i would be lying because we're not discovering new talent we want to speak to legends and people who got these 90 stories. So can any form or shape or fashion, can the source ever be created where people, like, listen, in case you guys didn't know, it was said in the source it was the word of God. Like, nobody can dispute it. If CNN got four mics That's it Nobody disputes it

Can any format Could ever recreate that I'm glad you're taking your time You think so? I don't think so You think that can happen? It's possible Only because

Like there's really nothing Out there right now That's a great voice for the culture. There's nothing really there. There's Worldstar. Big up Worldstar. Other websites. It's just unorganized right now. Do you think it'd be a digital format, not print?

It has to be everything. It has to be a combination of digital, TV, print. It has to be a combination of everything, multimedia, to really get across. But with that has to come trust in who's doing it. You see, a lot of these things that you're talking about all becomes the trust and the comfortableness of the person with the people who are doing it. How much experience they have, how much credibility they have, and how many people they can cross over because it's so many different areas

of hip-hop now, man. It's not unified like before. So not only it's territorialized, but it's also sectioned off within the territory. So, you know what I mean? It's just a matter of how you try to come and do it. I mean, I feel like Me and Dave have put in Enough work

That you know Like we're all You know We're in talks right now For Hip Hop With You TV show I think you should do it TMZ style or No no no

Not that Because it's not about Necessarily that But we want to do it more Like a magazine show Like how we did it Before The Source magazine Entertainment Tonight

Entertainment Tonight You know what I'm saying You actually have to Get these guys to sign off Because'm saying you actually have to get these guys to sign off because tmz don't have to get these guys well no we we could actually do that too like if we go on location somewhere but usually it's just blurbs of you know like yeah like you know i'm saying you would get but all of them signing off yeah because i've seen you guys were kind of early on that like the first time i ever heard it first rememy Ma was about to be released from prison. I seen it on Hip Hop Weekly.

Like, your camera guy was out there. He was on point. Shout out to Mark. Mark up in Harlem. He was on there. Like, everybody else said Remy Ma was about to be released. I didn't believe it. Shout out to Remy.

I looked at. You know what I'm saying? I was on the road somewhere, and I looked at Hip Hop Weekly. And every time Hip Hop Weekly was on point, was posted something, everything that y'all posted was 100% accurate. Other websites wasn't. We gotta have that on TV. See, that should be on just like how CNN

got it. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's what we're trying to do. And like I said, look, lovers, haters and anything in between, you can't take away our experience in this game. I mean, we've lived through all these decades of hip-hop and it's changed dramatically and we're still here.

That ain't bragging, that's just a testament to just trying to be a part of the culture and understand the culture. So no matter what, you know what I'm saying, we think that if we can get, when we get Hip-Hop Weekly on TV and get the show, that's going to be the beginning of now.

You met with Lionsgate, right? I met with Lionsgate, yeah. I've been all through Hollywood with that, you know what I'm saying? How about Flavor Unit? Talked to Shaq Kim a few times, but we have talked to some people. Right now, there's a lot of networks that's looking for real, with Empire being so big, there's a lot of networks That's looking for real Like with Empire being so big There's a lot of networks That's you know what I'm saying

Looking at black culture Like hey We better fuck with them You know what I'm saying Looking at love and hip hop numbers Those are big numbers That's a question I'm going to ask you Dave

You know He's always been your partner You guys are friends You guys are brothers But how did you feel the first time he told you he was going to do love and hip-hop me and some ice how did you feel about that i mean it i supported it we just moved to atlanta and then and that one thing led to another and uh he told me about it and i mean because love and hip-hop wasn't that it was some accident

it was actually it wasn't that big when you got accident. What do you mean by that? I'm saying like, you know me and Stevie have been fucking around. I've been living I was living down here Stevie come fuck with me Steve was there like I come over to Fucking right, so you know I'm saying like it was you knowale I don't want to make a shout out to Armadale this is my chaser Armadale is bringing it back Armadale you guys had a club

listen the first time I ever got maced in my life club Zeno I got maced infamous come on F.A. let me tell you something

most of the days boy me and you don't really know each other but you and alright this is the crazy we've all lived around each other But you and Ja This is the craziest shit This is the craziest shit in the world

Ja Rule Yo you gotta be quiet man Ja Rule I moved from left rack To West Orange New Jersey Right Ja Rule Also Ja Rule also

Ja Rule also moves to West Orange, New Jersey. From there, Ja moved to Saddlebrook, correct? Saddle River. Saddle River, I'm sorry.

Saddle River lived next to you. And then, me and you somehow both moved to Miami. Right. And it connected us. So we all lived

like him and John stayed around just to break it down for people that didn't understand that. Him and John stayed around, lived next door to each other.

Then me and John lived next door to each other. Then me and Nori lived next door to each other. Then me and Nori. So we all at some point then as we're living next door to each other

we all got kids around the same age. So they all fucking with each other and we're living next door to each other We all got kids around the same age So they all fucking with each other And we get close And we start dealing with each other's situations We come into each other When I was down here Going through everything

Relationship problems Problems with shit Everything We would talk We both came down here Like It's not like We was in the same boat

Yeah We wanted We wanted to get over stress Right exactly We were both stressed out Yeah you know what I'm saying So You know what I mean

So we would confide each other In a lot of personal shit You know what the best thing About you is When I'm When I'm negative You would be positive When I'm positive

I'd be negative You would be negative That's good though And that was excellent That was excellent Cause if we both were negative We could have fucked it up It worked for us It worked for us It was dope You know what I'm saying I'll be negative you'll be negative that's good though and that was excellent that was excellent if we both negative we could have fucked you up it worked for us

it was dope you know what I'm saying it worked for us but that's how we got to be so cool really because we all spent time with each other and then when you

spend time with each other it's just not you're going to tell a motherfucker what he want to hear you're going to tell him what you think is best for him

because that's the best type of friend you know what I'm saying you know what I mean you don't tell them what they want to hear you tell them what's best for you even if they're going type of friend. Right. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Absolutely. You don't tell them what they want to hear. You don't tell them what's best for you, even if they're going to get mad at you. Fuck it.

We don't talk for a week, two weeks. Fuck it, nigga. I got to say that because I care about you. You know what I'm saying? It's the same thing with all of us. Everybody make some noise for that. Here we go. Here we go.

Hey, you still around? Yeah. God damn it. Take a shot. Take a shot or something. You know, you still around? God damn it, take a shot. Take a shot of some. Zeno, you're actually here. I thought you was going to, like, make a risk. I thought you was going to, like, act like you was going to sleep.

And look, this is on me. That's Zeno. Oh. Yeah, chase your fucking rabbit. Yeah. Yeah, chase your rabbit. Yeah, this is Zeno's drink. Yeah.

I am impressed, man. I am impressed. I'm chasing your fucking rabbit Yeah chase your rabbit I don't drink but you know When it has to be done Chase your fucking rabbit And that's Armadale just so you know

What's that No this is plain Oh I thought that was Dave's cup I was like oh you're just going hard I thought he was drinking your cup and Dave's cup I was like you're just going hard. I thought he was just going to yoke up and Dave's cup. I was like, he's going hard. I'm chasing my rabbit. That's what Nas said.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know I gave Nas a $65,000 check for a verse and that never came out. Oh, shit. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I gave him 65 stacks for a verse that never came out. Let's get to the story. Hold on, hold on. Wait up, wait up.

I'm not volleying myself. I'm like, I'll volley myself. Yo, E, what kind of hard ass... Nah, you ain't even do it right. How did this story happen? Man, it was just, he was hot as fuck. I wanted a verse from him. Had the money. We was in California.

After the fire. Steve was fucking with him. You know what I'm saying? So probably Steve might have hooked it up. Right. And then, man, he just came up and I'll never forget, gave it to him, he spit the verse

and bounced it. I was able to say too much to each other. He just got the 65 bands and kept moving. We just never, I just never used the verse on nothing.

You know what I'm saying? Where's that verse at? It's around. It's around? Matter of fact, it's on YouTube somewhere. Oh, okay. So you did use the verse.

But nothing to put out to get sold in. Right. Why not? I don't know. You're a foul name. I don't know. But nothing to put out to get sold in. Right. Why not? I don't know. You're a foul, Nick. I don't know. You got to start looking out for yourself.

Let's make some noise to see if I start looking out for you. Now's verse, I don't care if it's from then to now, it's at least from 20 to 60 bands. It's always worth that. 65 bands, yo. 65. So how hot was he at that time? Oh, he killed the verse.

But you know, but like the Boston niggas, you know what I mean? Let me ask you. All that shit. Your shit, all that project shit. Let me ask you something. The thing about it, if a new artist came out, now I'm not talking about then. I mean, I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about then.

What is that noise? What is that? What is somebody clicking something? The story. All right, tell them niggas to shut the fuck up. Listen, so... You ain't eating chips or nothing? Nah, nigga, what the fuck? This is drinking.

We drink more. And then we go... This is me and Wynwood. We go and eat in Coyo Bar or Wynwood Tavern or Wynwood Kitchen and Bar. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? Like, snacks go with drinking. You can have a couple of fucking snacks. That's an average drink.

You want some? This is foul. You want some pork rinds? That's's an average drinker. You want some? This is foul. You want some pork rinds? That's foul, man. Come on, eat some pork rinds. Eat some pork rinds. Yo, all right. Let's get on with the poke now.

Listen. Yo, Zeno, you're my friend. We're close. Right. I come to your crib one day. Right. We live in the Diplomat. Right.

The craziest crib I 100% said give me your realtor's number give me your realtor's number I'm running right in that's the crib I had we're hanging out, we're barbecuing you're the first person to bring pork in my house ever

I brought a big pork shoulder I didn't even know that existed pork shoulder with a land of orange and you baste it. I thought he was playing. He was like, I'm bringing a pork shoulder.

I'm like, all right. You know, I brought a meat pit. I forgot he wanted a fucking pork though. He brought it on a, like,

it was like, you know, he wanted me to keep it in the living room. He didn't want me keeping it in the kitchen. He was like, the smell's going to

fuck me up. I was like, how's that gonna happen? Yeah, right, right. Let's get to that story. What happened that day? That's what you're into, the pork shoulder. No, I mean, you know what I'm saying? I'm sure we got some fellas in there that fuck with pork.

But you be on and off. You be on and off. Pork is in your blood, you Puerto Rican choke, bro. For a year, you was like, I ain't eating that pork no more. He wasn't eating beef neither. Pork is the food of the gods. Yeah, can't talk about it, man. Let me tell you about pork.

Pick up the pork. Let me tell you about pork. They listen to this show too. You can take every piece of pork and make that shit taste good, man. This is how you know. Like, I know that Randy Acker and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know. Neither one of them celebrated Passover yesterday. Let's make some noise for that.

It was the week before. No, we went to that. And I did. He was there. He was with his parents. Wait, wait. Didn't we go to the W Hotel? He put his Yamaha car in the whole shit.

Let me tell you how powerful Jewish people is. We went to the W Hotel. Shout out to the Jewish people. Shout out to them. Make some noise how powerful Jewish people is. We went to the W Hotel. Shout out to the Jewish people. Shout out to them. Make some noise for the Jewish people, everybody. Randy, I can usually be around as a mom. You got to keep a Jewish guy around. He's been around a lot.

That's a rule. You got to keep a Jewish guy around. But let me just tell you how crazy it was. We went to the W Hotel. We filming the Fool Show. Went to the W Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. I can't front. My neck was hurting.

So we went to the W Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. I'm going to say I can't front. My neck was hurting. So we went to the W Hotel in Fort Lauderdale. That's amazing. And we tried to use the bathroom and they rented it out for 10 days for Passover. So nobody else could rent it out. I've never seen no other race do that. Let's make some noise for the Jewish people for keeping it Jewish.

Shut down a bathroom. Shut down a fucking bathroom. No, no. They shut down the whole W Hotel. They all out. There was nothing but kosher food being served. There was no alcohol for those days. Correct? We was like, yo, is the bar open?

They was like, no, it's Passover. Is anybody in there Jewish other than Dave? Let's make some noise for Dave being the only Jewish guy. Come on. So Benzino and Dave, I'm going to start with you, Dave, because, you know, is there anything you regret besides the Internet? Because we got to that. Is there anything you ever regret that you can do? I can't have no regrets. You know what I mean? No regrets. No, that's a real nigga shit. Let me some noise today being black.

That's some black nigga shit right there. You got any regrets? Man, I can't think of any. You know what I'm saying? Probably, you know, of course you want to be smart about it. You know what I'm saying? You don't got to be smart about it.

We ain't even here. Nobody listens to this podcast. But if you look back and you could say, yeah, you could, not even, it's about yourself when you look at your kids

and you look at their futures, you know what I'm saying? Then you start having to be smart. I'm talking about music and music. Musically? Yeah, musically. Like, you know, in the business. look at their futures, you know what I'm saying? Then you start having to be... I'm talking about music and music. Musically? Yeah, musically. Like, you know, in the business. Musically?

Nah, you know, I mean, to be honest, I think I never got a real shot because of all the controversy with my music. Like, people don't know that I produced the intro on Nas' Stillmatic album. Wait, time out. You know what I'm saying? Wait, wait, wait.

The, um... Stillmatic. The, um... Where the stuff, Train. Part of a lion, you know what I'm saying you know wait wait the um the still man the um the way this stuff trains you know what i'm saying hold on hold on the stacy laddus sir joining that's the hangman three you see that me two times jb like guys google that right now google that man let's get as bad as props you know you know pork rinds in my show you're the first person to eat pork rinds. Hold on, hold on. You're putting pork shoulder

to my crib. I don't even know if those are your pork rinds. No, they ain't mine. I ain't none of it is mine. You just pull through shit like those pork rinds and stuff.

I'm not getting anybody's power to eat them shit. This is a bar. This is a bar. They offer those. Let me see if they have Christian pork rinds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Welcome to Play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play.it. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. How did you produce that? with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. I'm allowing the love to be spread But all that Tannin of America shit Steve What happened with the Tannin of America You feeling that I've never seen it There is no Tannin of America man There ain't no Tannin of America man I don't believe in that man

You know what I'm saying What does that mean Tannin I'm sure Steve it means That the white agencies and the white companies Are now accepting Accepting certain black, you know, right? But that's bullshit because they really ain't. You know what I'm saying?

Because they really ain't fucking with us. See, it's us that got the juice. It's the middlemen and the middlemen above them who usually get the credit for it. That's just how it is. So that's what tanning means. The tanning of America. Yeah, I didn't see that shit. I have no idea what we're talking about right now.

It's a book he wrote in the TV. Big up, I guess. Big up to Steve Stout. But look, he knows our relationship, and I'm not dissing him. So this is a wonderful thing, man. But you don't agree with that. Don't agree with what? The tanning of America.

No, what was he talking about before that? Oh, the tanning of America. There was something before that, though. But you don't agree with that. Don't agree with what? The Ten of No America. No, what was the song before that? Oh, the Ten of No America. It was something before that, though. Steve Stout. No, it was like, oh, the song. Still Mad. Oh, no, Still Mad, that's a fact. Right, right. So how did that, so who called you to... We probably did it through Steve, but the issue is that we also produced the one

with you and Prodigy that went gold. No, no, let's stay on Still Mad right now. This is a classic album. We need a double platinum. How did this call happen? They asked you to do an intro? We gave them some beats. That's it.

And L.E.S. High five. Shout out to DJ L.E.S. L.E.S. is my man. So it was L.E.S. called? It was L.E.S. We gave L.E.S. the beats. You know what I'm saying?

He let Nas hear them. That's the one they wanted. And Nas wasn't the guy at that time. So it wasn't Steve. It LES. My mistake it was LES. That's not the reason you got five mics no. Ooh Nas should have got five mics. That album was come on. Wait. Stillmatic. Oh it's Stillmatic. I'm thinking of saying Illmatic. It's Stillmatic. Oh. You still getting money there. That was a double pattern joint good. God damn it. I thought you were talking about Illmatic. Oh. You still getting money there. That was a double-plated joint, yeah. God damn it. I thought you were talking about Illmatic. That's why I'm all, wow.

No, no, that was the classic. That was the classic. That's still Maddox. I'm thinking Hellmatic. But you mad Illmatic out front, Mike? No, no, no. Are you crazy? Are you crazy?

That's my first source article or magazine I ever bought. I could never be more proud of the beef from Queens at that very moment because I remember seeing Nas in Brooklyn Queens Day back in the days. We used to do something called Brooklyn Queens Day in Flushing Meadow Park. I was

booked to perform and he came out and did live at the barbecue and he came out with his dude. We call him Fisherman's, and he killed it. You know what I mean? And then they was doing all this crazy shit. For me to see that as a chap go to jail, see this same kid got five mics.

I didn't know what the mic system meant because I was an Outkast fan and Outkast was the only other people I seen prior to that, I believe, because Southern Play, Alistair Cadillac, whatever that album is, came out before Illmatic, correct? Because I think that came out in 91. Do you want to Google that? No, I think that was in 93. No, Illmatic came first. Illmatic came first.

Well, whatever who got five mics, maybe. Well, whoever got five mics before that, then Nas got five mics. I was in the jail walking through. Yeah, nigga, because at that time in the jail I was in, it was either Buckshot Shorty or Nas. Right. Obviously, I was on Nas' side. I did like Buckshot Shorty. Right.

And he wound up, his baby mother, Black Moon, excuse me. His baby mother was actually from Left Rack, so I wound up being cool with him. But in the jail at that time, it was like, you're either Nas or Black Moon. And obviously, I picked the Nas side, and when that article came out, I just was walking through the jail. Jail, nigga!

Like, it was the... And KRS, we had KRS on the show, and KRS said that. He basically said, well, if that didn't come out, you know, he said Queensbridge he said Queensbridge would have never revived but he didn't understand that what he meant was Queens might have not never revived so that

Queens is big though but that album restored the pride. I don't even know the other. It restored us to be like, you know, walk outside and go eat in Brooklyn and go eat in whatever. But it all started from when people seen that he got five mics.

Five mics. And then you guys did a wonderful story of the producers you remember that or all the producers that was involved like that was that was legendary like um journalism isn't conducted like that no more it's not that serious no more it's not that serious because everything's fast everything's fast It's faster Even in all aspects Thoughts faster Even music is faster Yeah everything's faster So what you think about that?

I mean You know the way I look at it I mean you know It's just a sign of the times You know Right Everything's fast I mean the good thing is that

We lived in those times So I just appreciate That I know those times Just because it ain't here no more Don't mean you can't still celebrate it because you've been through it. Oh, no, we're celebrating right now. That's what we're doing on Drink Chats Podcast.

Come on, God damn it. Yo, man, I'm going to just tell y'all, man. Hold on. This is the pork rind. Look at that. Come on, Zeno. I really need you to eat a pork rind on my show. Please.

How do you know this is D.A. How are you? All right. Dave. Sonny D.B. D.A. Guy? Oh, Dave. Sonny D.B. T.J. on you. I'm going to give you a five with the pork hand. With the pork hand.

With the pork hand. You don't know. Why? Because pork don't go stale? These motherfuckers are crunchy. They're good. Give me a high five with the pork hand. You give me with the pork. I don't mind.

I don't mind. So, E, you got a question? I feel like you was going to go when we was talking about the Eminem situation. I felt like you was going to say something. You was going in the direction of saying that you didn't have no problem with him. It wasn't no problem with him because

I really didn't understand him. It was just, again, you know, MTV was just taking on the hip-hop and I felt like, you know, this is where hip-hop can finally, you know what I'm saying, start getting some money. You understand, look, when drugs and guns ravaged,

and I say this, the community's hip-hop was there to give niggas a job, yo. Like, niggas was making money off of hip-hop, man. That's what DMX said. DMX said, you give rappers whack, sometimes he support them

because this rapper is giving at least six to eight people a job. My nigga, you come out of jail back then and get a job, yo. They ain't like that no more. It's just a fact that I just felt like they wanted to use a situation where the white audience had its own image. You know, to really be at a high level of hip hop.

What I was saying, the white people are already buying into the hoods in the black and Latino communities with hip hop. They don't need, we never need, like Beastie Boys was the shit. Nobody gave a fuck if they was white, black, purple, blue or brown. Third base. You didn't see hip hop. See, hip hop made it where you didn't see

no color. When Eminem came, he's a white rapper. You know what I'm saying? They did that. I did the white rapper show. I regret it immediately. It has nothing to do with it. See, because the effects of that, I knew the effects of that of what it is now. This kid's twitting me now, like,

who's 13, 12 years old, 83, old fake Al Pacino, Eminem killed you. I'm like, little nigga, you don't even know Eminem's music. Little man, you don't even know Eminem's music Like Little man You don't even know his music You're just taking on

What you see on YouTube And automatically Gravitating To that Black against white shit Like oh He's Eminem And fuck

But that wasn't your issue Your issue was No it wasn't the issue With me The issue was I felt that That they were using His situation Alright To separate Hip hop Right The issue was I felt that they were using his situation to separate hip-hop.

Right. You know what I'm saying? To separate hip-hop from the audience, from white and black audience. I mean, and then, of course, you know. Jimmy Iovine offered you $500,000. Was that true? No, Jimmy, when all this was going on, we had met with Jimmy a couple times. And you know what I'm saying?

Jimmy didn't want no problems. You know, Jimmy and I had actually done deals with Jimmy. Right. And that was cool. It was cool, man. It was nothing. So what was it? Like, did he offer you to not put out the tape that you had?

What me was, again, I was just this rebel that was like, look, you know, because you got to remember these kids had came up out of nowhere. These was his boys that came to the magazine with the tape. They had been trying to sell the tape for almost a year. Oh, the guys from Detroit. Yeah, they had the tape. You know, I was in Puerto Rico and Dave called me. It was like, you know, these dudes are in the office. I got on the next flight and they had been trying to sell the tape for over a year now.

These was his boys. Right. And do you believe the story that he said? He said it was only happening because he had a black girlfriend. Look, man, it's not for me. They made that up. Yeah, I don't. I mean, come on.

That was made up. You know what I'm saying? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. What was made up? What was made up? That story. That he had a'm saying? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. What was made up? That story. That he had a black girlfriend?

Of course, yeah. So you did the research and you won? Absolutely. We did a lot of research when we did that whole story, yeah. And that was false? Absolutely. This is crazy. I don't think nobody never knew that.

I mean, come on, man. But it's cool, right? It's cool, man. I mean, he was a great guy. I met on man But it's cool Right It's cool man Him is a great guy I met him once He's cool See but that's what I'm saying It wasn't

You know like When you really get down to it We never met each other To make it personal Right You know what I'm saying So it's not personal So I mean

Of course When you're going back and forth On record You're going to take shots At each other That's what everybody do He was used to Separate the culture

and to, you know, take it, you know, with the white audience always was the largest audience of hip-hop going back to the 80s. Neverlast. No, just hip-hop. Just the hip-hop. You needed the white audience.

70, 80% of the buyers of those albums, millions of albums, was white audience. Get at me. 70, 80% of the buyers of those albums, those millions of albums, was white people. They was there the whole time. But Eminem was used as a way to take those majority of white people and instead of making them the followers of the culture and the followers of the streets,

now those people are used to basically control and dictate the culture to where the streets don't have no say no more. That's pretty much what Eminem was used to do. And then at the same time, when corporate radio comes in, now they can just cater to that. All right. And then separate the audience. But is there a problem

with that? Of course there is because that takes money out of the hood. The same white people who are buying from the hood don't have to no more. But who is they when you say they are using him? Is it the same people that DJ Khaled is talking about?

They don't want you to win. They don't want you to water your plants. They don't want you to smoke weed. Is it the same days? I don't know. I just know that, look, the people, the movers and shakers in this industry right here that control the vehicles, you know what I'm saying?

The ones, you know, who big money take little money. Big bank take no bank you don't say monopoly and everything else how whatever you're gonna think whatever you thought about it I'll have you think about it you know I'm saying by folks always bought into hip-hop I want to switch the subject a little bit because you're a pillar of hip-hop both for you guys the both are legends you guys are still talking you very disrespectful even very dis i got to spread for friends apologize but it's been a controversy

going on right now right what's that what african men bother right krs1 is on our show i want to defend krs1 because i got got him drunk. Get some more pork rinds, brother. So I had KRS-One on the show. I asked KRS-One about the African Bambada thing. KRS-One, I don't want to say he dodged the question. He just said, that's my

man. And once he said, that's my man, I kind of got uncomfortable and I switched the subject. Plus, after that, before that, I was giving KRS mad Mai Tais to get him drunk, similar to how I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking Hennessy and drinking pork rinds. The first person on our show to eat pork. God damn it, make some noise for Zeno. You're the first person to bring pork shoulder to my crib and the the first person to eat pork On the Bring Chance Podcast

What do you think about the African Bambada situation? I don't even know the situation Oh, okay Me neither do I I don't You don't? You don't?

You bullshit or what? I mean, I don't know the situation You finished or you done? You started or you beginning don't know the situation. You finish or you're done. Oh. You start or you begin it. Come on. Tell me the situation. Oh, man. If you ain't know it, then you know I'm not bringing up no situation.

Come on, E. Help me out. You got another one? You know I don't even want to. Not on that. Not on that situation. Let's turn it up. So, the unsigned hype.

The mic system. The sauce awards. The album. The joint with You and Mario Wynix. All of that. You did love and hip-hop. I mean, Rock the Party was... We had a couple of shows, Rock the Party. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I think what was out when that was out? When this love and hip-hop thing was presented to you. It wasn't presented to me. It wasn't? Okay, tell me how this happened. Stevie was staying with me. I was riding to the set. We were staying together in Atlanta.

Riding to the set, just chilling. They asked me to basically... Because I was talking to him already. He had his mic on. And I was just like, yo, you should just try to be monogamous and shit. Okay, that means for one woman, right? Yeah, and they was like, well, you say that on camera. And I was like, yeah, I say it on camera.

They mic'd me up, and that was the first time I was on him. I did that driving scene with him. You know what I'm saying? I was never casted for it. So what happened? Why are you not on Live by Hip Hop no more? What is that?

I mean, it was a situation that happened, you know, at the reunion. Oh, okay. You know, where, you know, the last part was. You snuffed Jocelyn. Fuck it.

Let's just throw it out there. Come on. You snuffed Jocelyn. Come on. She came at you. She came at you. Is that what happened? A little bit?

Come on. She tried to snuff your wife. Listen, every man and every real nigga in the world will do the same thing. No, no, no. Of course. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to protect my ass no matter what. Right, right.

It's not like you're a woman, B. No, hell no. That's not like that. That's not what we're saying. No, no, no. But, you know, she's kind of, you know. I'm going to choke him. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only get Hillary. Hillary. Hillary. Right, right, no. But, you know, she's kind of, you know. I might choke him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only get Hillary. Hillary. Hillary. Right, right, right. So why didn't they, there's so many people who did so much worse things in Love & Hip Hop. Why, do you think you're being like, single a lot? Nah, man, listen, listen.

Look, Love & Hip Hop was a great situation for me. Right. You know, like I said, it was something that I didn't know I was going to be a part of. You know, I did a bunch of seasons. A lot happened to me on there. I got shot, you know. Oh, yeah. God bless you, man.

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? God bless you. Crazy. My mom's passed. God bless. God bless. Yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it's like a lot happened in those years just in my life. So it was, you know, Love & Hip Hop was deep. You know, Love & Hip Hop was, you know, shout out to Love & Hip Hop, man. I ain't got it. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean? I met Ramona recently.

We talking. Man, listen, shout out to Moe Scott. Shout out to Love & Hip Hop. Stevie was just back in the studio. Yo, you and Stevie. Making some amazing music. You know what the crazy thing is? You know how your boy call you and your boy say, you know, he's like, I always, I know y'all guys are brothers.

Like, y'all gonna, I know it's different, but, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know you guys got a lot of love for each other,

you know what I'm saying? Do you think it was love and hip hop who separated y'all? Or you think? Yeah, I mean, you know what?

I mean, you think it was the TV, the money, or the action show? no, no, no, never the money

because me and Sleeves, it ain't like that with us. It was definitely a situation with the, you know, he was under pressure. It was his situation. I was under pressure. It was my situation. Things happened. You know, things happen.

Things happen in relationships and family. You know what I'm saying? I don't think, you know, I don't know, man. I just don't think, like, I don't think, you know, when you do reality TV, man, you can really try to hold it against somebody because, man, people do things just for these things, for the cameras. And it's like, you got to know that. If the cameras wasn't there, it wouldn't even be like that. Right.

There's no excuse for it. Right. You know what I'm saying? So how did you guys work it out? It's just going to take time, man. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't. I mean, time heals all. You know what I'm saying? So how did you guys work it out? It's just going to take time, man. You know what I'm saying? Time heals all. You know what I'm saying? Both of us understood what happened

and where we stood with each other. That was unfortunate what took place there. It was unfortunate it took place on camera and shit. When you ask me if I regret things, I regret that. Let's make some I regret that. Oh, okay.

Let's make some noise for that. Goddamn. Yeah, because another thing is, like, I didn't bring out the on Love & Hip Hop for none of that shit, to be fighting and all that. Like, I'm not with none of that, to be honest. I'm really not with that because, you know, we fight enough off camera, we done fought our whole lives. Why are we going to go on camera?

Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I know you are. I don't, you know what I'm saying not no so I don't you know say just they just it just it was unfortunate male something happened you know I I'm guys had the 757 group right yeah 757 generally yeah rest in peace big cap to all come each rescue cat man your cast give a moment silence give them all sign big cap we love you my brother yeah captain captain hosted the 757 tape that's on that piff. You go to that piff and download it.

Wow. Yeah. Wow, so then he passed away and then you guys come back together. That was probably... This was crazy about it because we wasn't together. He was like, yo, let me just put the music out. And he said, yo, I ran to Stevie and he said, yeah, that's cool. And I was like, why did he say it's cool?

I was like, well, come put it out. That's dope. Mind you, me and Stevie almost didn't talk in two years. And you guys were not only like the first people with the magazines that led the culture, not the first people to do compilations that led the culture. I remember you guys were the first people to own studios. I remember you owned a studio in Manhattan. Was that called The Sauce?

Lab? Y'all owned a big studio in Manhattan. Was that called The Sauce? Lab? Yeah, I owned a big studio in Manhattan. We spent so much. I remember you asked me to do a verse or something or come meet you, and I came there. You know, Dave had actually called me. I walked through. You guys had like, it had to be like $5 million studio. Y'all walked in.

Y'all had blue carpet. I don't remember. You went to a lot of places. I walked through. I was like, I had mad weed rolled up. I was like, yo, I'm going to go outside and smoke. He was like, go outside and smoke for what? Right.

Smoke and hair. Like, you guys had all type of endeavors, man. What's the next endeavor that you guys, Dave Mays and Benzino, is going to do? You really want to know? Yeah, I really want to know, man. Fat Joe named his album on our podcast. Give us something big. Come on, let's go xeno crab traps everywhere right we haven't talked about that benzino crab traps in every city and my sauce in every um supermarket let's do it let's make some noise

sauce to sound bad i don't know why. In front of madmen, there's not one woman in here. So when you say sauce, everybody... It's Zeno sauce. Oh, yeah. It doesn't make it better. It doesn't make it better. So how did you come up with... Like me, I mean, for the lameness, that's what you say, right?

Laman, laman. Laman, for the laman. Like I knew, like one time, Zeno came to the crib. You know what I'm saying? It was something going on With his Oh That's just straight pineapple

Yeah Alright hold on Come on This ain't for straight Pineapple drinks Can I Is there no more of Syrah No Syrah

I'm gonna hit this Armadale then Hold on Let me finish my Syrah So It's good I knew you had love For cooking right

But most people Got love for basketball Doesn't mean they're going to play in the NBA What made you take this risk With this restaurant I mean it was like a low risk Crabs is low risk I was only going to do crabs

You know what I'm saying So I mean It was like a little small place I had been Dave turned me on to the little Korean spot over there Big Joy it was in the same strip mall as Big Joy and Marietta

right it was already kind of built out as a restaurant right little small spot like 1500-1600 square feet so I said man it's perfect

little crab spot but the whole thing was I had to develop these sauces for it I just wasn't going to do like a crab old bay seasoning right you know what I'm saying I want to do like a crab old bay seasoning right you know what i'm

saying i want to do i want to take it further so it was like um i developed these sauces the first was like the xeno sauce i heard you went somewhere like l.a and you've seen yeah it was like these koreans like that's like they do crabs differently okay where like they incorporate sauces with it so i said well if i put my own twist on the sauces, see what happens. It took me about four months to really, like what Nelson was saying. Okay, Dave, did you think he was crazy when he went into the crab business? You guys are into compilations. You guys are into sauce awards.

You guys are into music. You guys are into, and now you want to sell food. I mean, he always wanted to do something like this. Oh, so this is not no new thing. He was always into food. I mean, I had something on Miami Beach. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I remember that, too.

Yeah, yeah. I remember that, too. I mean, he was certain about it. He knew it was going to be successful. Did I tell you I got spray painted in your club? No. You remember that? Yeah, you told me that.

That's the first time. No, no, I got pepper spray. Pepper spray. It's like when Rose just got, no, I got pepper spray. This is crazy. It's like when Rose just got hot. I walked in the club. This is, what's the club? Club Zenos.

Yeah, Club Zenos. Your Ja Rule is there. Ja Rule invites me. It's the most infamous club. I go in there. That shit was crazy. I go in there. I ordered six bottles of Rose.

I remember it had to be at least $1,200 apiece. But I'm like, these niggas is doing this was like your birthday or job Oh birthday, I don't remember. It was John's birthday the job birthday something like I cool my accidents from bottles They got us all in this week go to six bottles of rolls Just came out and then a fight broke out and they pepper sprayed. He was like, let's go. I said, they got this gay that nigga. Too much money, my nigga. I'm drinking my bottles. I was like, yo, Zeno, am I good? He was like, you good.

I still did. The whole club left. I said, fuck. Like, you know how crazy it is to buy bottles and sit down and everybody else leave and you just really want to drink your shit? Right. Fuck that. I don't even give a fuck. I'm staying right here.

Give me one week. Just bitch that hair. That Fuck that. I don't give a damn, fuck. I'm staying right here. Give me one week. Just bitch that hair. That was crazy. I got pepper sprayed. The first time I got pepper sprayed, we were in a club. High five. That was a dope ass club. That was a dope ass club.

That was a dope ass club. What is there now? It was American Apparel now. That was the second floor joint. Yeah, we was on the second floor. That's the first floor joint. We was on the second floor. That's the first floor joint. We was on the second floor. So I just want to let y'all know like before we get up out of here, man, is there anything y'all want to get off y'all chest?

If anything, y'all want to, you know, get to the bottom line, you know, because I know I've been messing with you, Zeno. I'm just messing with you. All these was jokes. No, I mean, I just, you know, I definitely, man, I definitely been down to come do this, you know what I'm saying? Nah, you my brother, man know what I'm saying I appreciate that Thank you so much

You guys been in my corner forever That's something I gotta say You guys been in my corner Before we even messed with each other But we wound up living in the same Building and It was something that it was a pure love You know what I'm saying

It was a pure love It know what I'm saying like it was a pure love it wasn't nothing like no fake like I need to get in y'all shit like we gonna handle each other we gonna you know it was organic

organic that's what the reality show people use that word it's organic right right you know what I'm saying so they use that shit

but one thing one thing I definitely need to know cause I don't know if y'all remember when we met that I wanted to do a documentary with y'all. Oh, yeah, I heard about this. I heard about this. And, you know, I'm glad we're finally here doing this,

but this is all good fun. When is a real serious documentary on the legacy of the source? Because that needs to happen. Now, can y'all do that, or you would have to clear that? Do they own the name? It would have to be a joint clearance because they own the name now. So if there was to be

like a thing, they would have to clear the name or else we'd have to call it the force. Right, right. Or the creators of the source. But you don't want to do that.

I mean, but I don't think Lawndale would have a problem with that. You know what I'm saying? Or how about you call it the history of the source? I think the culture needs that. As long as you use the source,

Lawndale has to be involved. Wow. Hopefully we'll be able to develop that. Yeah, but there's. As long as you use the source, Londell has to be involved. Why? Hopefully we'll be able to develop that. Yeah, but there's no problem with that. Londell, it makes sense to do it. All right. Big up Londell. Our life story.

Right, right. Something that chronicles the history of the source. Listen, we ain't got no beef with nobody, but at the end of the day, the history is what it is. Everybody's going to have their opinions, but the way I look at it, it's over now. People are going to put that shit behind

and move forward. Now, should there be a Source magazine story, it's over now. People are going to put that shit behind and move forward. Now, should there be a Source magazine story? Of course. Of course. Of course. There should be. Because, um, I mean, and I'm not trying to start any controversy or things.

Do you ever just look at the Source now and be like, damn, I'm upset how they took it. Like, and not in no big way. Nah, nah, nah. Only because of how every other magazine is gone. The source really is the latter. Actually, sales gone, vibes gone.

I mean, Kings gone, everything's gone. Russell Simmons is one of my icons. He's one of my idols. Shout out to Russ. Didn't Kamara Lee make the source cover? Yeah, I think she did. I think she did. That's not when y'all was on there. I cover? Yeah, I think she did. I think she did. That's not when y'all was on there.

I think she did. I think she did. She was one of the first ones after we had got, yeah. Yeah, after y'all left. I think she did. Yeah, after we left. You know, I'm not saying why y'all, because they was like, what?

We was doing iconic covers, like, with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah. Iconic joints. Like, Biggie over the buildings. I got all those old covers. Iconic joints. Like, Biggie over the building. I got all those old iconic Dr. Dre.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, I remember. Yeah, I was doing, I was doing. Red man with the shit

all up in his nose. you know what I'm saying? Iconic joints. So when you see like, when you see like, them putting like, sports figures or like, people who are models

on the cover, like, are you disappointed? Not in a disrespectful way. We used to have a store of sports. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm just saying,

the original store. When you look at it now, you walk through an airport. I'm telling you, man, I don't look at it. It's a different time, you know? Okay. I don't look at no magazines.

Honestly, like Hip Hop Weekly fits the format of today. But any other magazine like that, it's just a different time now. Everything is internet and phone. Right. You know what just a different time now. Everything is internet and phone. Right. You know what I'm saying? Everything seems to be

internet and phone. Hip Hop Weekly works because of the format of how Us Weeklys, you know, of like Us Weeklys and everything. But, you know,

I just don't look at it like that no more. I mean, even if it was, I just don't, it's not in a time where it could shine anyways. Right.

The source, you know what I mean? It just don't. So I in a time Where it could shine anyways Right The source You know what I mean It just don't So I know I kind of Asked you this in a different way So what's the new move man Are you going to stick with reality Are you going to

Continue with the With the magazine Or are you guys Going to do some Phenomenal thing To change the culture again It's been You're about to celebrate

30 years there Well look We need another move. What is it going to be? I'm saying Hip Hop Weekly TV. Hip Hop Weekly TV. I heard about the beans. Definitely,

me and Althea's about to do our own show. On WeTV? It's the first time you heard about that. I can't say it didn't work. I can't. But I can tell you that.

I'm about to make some noise for WeTV. No, no, but I can tell you that. I'll calm down. No, no, but we still can make noise for WeTV. Make some noise for WeTV. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

We still can. But we spreading the rumor. I'll calm down. No, no, but we still can make noise for WE TV. Make some noise for WE TV. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But we spread it in the room. We spread it in the room. Zeno got his own shit on WE TV. I'm still working. It doesn't matter if it's false. We spread it. I'm still working with Carlos King.

You know, Next 15 Season 2 on TV 1. You know what I'm saying? Season 1 is a success. Season 2, yeah. Season 1 is a success. And, you know, we're just crab trap, man. And you know what I'm saying? Did you ever think you'd be doing reality from back then? No, hell no Season one was a success. And, you know, we're just crab trap, man. You know what I'm saying?

Did you ever think you'd be doing reality from back then? No, hell no. Hell no. If you would have still had the sauce being on top, you'd probably be like, reality is a challenge. No, because reality TV is all what you make it. See, it's, you know, if you go. If you make yourself a fool, you won't be fooled. You're going to be looked on as a fool. I mean, you know if you go if you make yourself a fool you will be you'll be looked on as a fool I mean yourself you know I'm saying but at the end of the day like you as long as you are who you are and if you don't mind who you

are and and and and comfortable with who you are then you could do reality TV well let's make some noise for Zeno being political correct Dave Mays you've been the brains behind the operation forever. No, I wouldn't say that. No, what I mean by that is like, come on, Zeno, Zeno, come on. This is for alcohol. This nigga is more of all the chaser. He's a foul guy.

He's my brother. What's happening? He's also brought his. He's my brother. He brought his pork shoulder to my house. So, I don't want to say if you could do something over because that's kind of corny. But, what do you think is the next big endeavor that you

want to do yourself? What I mean, not what I was eating or eating. Just the next big idea for you. What you think is the next? Because you was the guy who invested in the Internet. And then people didn't believe you. It didn't work at that time. But guess what?

The Internet is working now. So that makes you Nostradamus. What is your next idea? Again, I think it's still that there's not a voice for the culture that's out there. And the culture is powerful because, you know, you have what they call the millennials, which is the largest. Yeah, the millennials, the people who make it happen, right? Well, that's the demographic that all corporations are going to be targeting for the next 20 or 30 years. And there's 95 million of them. There was 78 million baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers? No, I've There was 78 million baby boomers.

You heard of the baby boomers? No, I've never heard of the baby boomers. They were the biggest, largest, previous generation in American history. Okay, bigger than the baby boomers. Yes. So hip-hop, that's really where... To be a voice for them.

Absolutely. I think me and DJ EFN has filled that voice for the millennials. Not on y'all level. We can never, like the thing about it is a lot of people, a lot of people, um, they,

they, they, they, they big up our podcast because these 90 stories and there's 90 babies that listen to it. But I can honestly say that I could never make the impact of the sources ever made. I can never make a system. Like, I've tried to,

you know, this drinking competition that we just had Zeno do, we try to do that with all guests. It's not like the five mics. You can get there. I'm trying to get there. Thank you, Dave. He's a positive guy, man. High five, Dave. He's my friend, man. But, um, let's just make some noise

for motherfucking the original sauce. Yeah! And let's make some noise for Zeno drinking all the Tracer So now we got to drink straight So man, guys, I can't thank you enough, man I know you guys didn't have to do that I know you guys didn't have to fly in from LA I know you guys didn't have to stop from whatever you guys are doing I really appreciate it because people that are listeners,

they love these 90 stories, these 80 stories, these 2,000 stories, these 2,010 stories. These hip-hop stories. That's what we cater to. We're not trying to get the guy who's hot. We're not trying to get the guy who's on his press run. We're not trying to get the guy who just happened to be around.

We're trying to get legends who have real stories. You guys came. You participated. You never stopped us one second. Zeno sweated for a minute. He jumped off the camera for a minute. But that, he didn't stop. He came in.

It's been a good sport. And that's what this is all about. This is not about, this is about us getting together, getting drunk, and telling stories. And you guys did what you had to do. And I can't thank you enough. And we got through it. Yeah, yeah, you got through it. Is there anything else any of you want to say?

I would like to hear. Man, it was a pleasure. Pleasure here? And it's got to be a part two. And it's got to be a part two. Fucking right. Yes, yes, yes. But also, let me thank you for...

Zeno, you're the first guy who's on my food show and on the broadcast Gunplay was too, I thought about it Gunplay was too but you're doing it live but I can't thank you guys enough man for letting me into your life

you know I do it with Bleak we play around with the stories and you guys are a great sport man and what you guys could contribute to hip-hop could never be replicated just in case you guys didn't know the the things that y'all gave to to hip-hop things that you gave to me personally is personally appreciated i'm glad that i could later on in life call you guys my friends because you gave me love before you even knew me.

And I'm glad that after we guys renew each other, we continue our relationship. And I appreciate you guys being a part of this podcast, my brother. You know what I'm saying? I appreciate it, man. The original source, the Goose. Let's just focus in on me for a second. This is a dude that made something that people call a hip-hop bible. I don't care what you do in hip-hop. I don't

give a fuck what you try to replicate. I don't give a fuck what you try to make. There's nothing that people are going to call it the hip-hop bible, my motherfucker. And listen, this is what I think. This is what I think. In a hundred years, the original Source magazines

will be read like a hip-hop Bible that's what I think God bless you motherfuckers good night God bless you motherfuckers we got us some touchy shit and they stood here they took the heat it's going down drink trash podcast make some money

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