Drink Champs - Episode 103 w/ Irv Gotti
Episode Date: November 7, 2017N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs! In this episode the guys drink it up with Murder Inc. boss Irv Gotti. The guys talk about Irv's beginnings, Def Jam, Murder Inc.'s heydays, new projects like ...his tv show "Tales" and so much more! Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Thank you. If he would have been in the game, mumble rap wouldn't have existed.
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If y'all don't know who I'm talking about right now,
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Make some noise.
I'm so happy to finally be here.
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What have you on, my guy?
I've come here to get drunk and high.
Because I saw you on Everyday Struggle.
Yeah, I'm a hater.
I'm sorry.
I was just playing around.
I've come here to get drunk and high with my guy Nori.
That's right.
And to talk about hip-hop.
Now many people say it off the top that they want to get drunk and high here. Drunk in high with my guy Nori that's right and talk about hip-hop
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Damn the way got got me a cup no cover Jose. So, Jose, where it go? So, now, Irv, I want to take it from the... Damn, nobody got me a cup?
No cup for me?
Yeah, there's a cup right there.
Oh, yeah?
No, that's Irv.
Oh, okay, yeah.
So, Irv, listen.
A lot of people... When I notice, like, you know, my new, like, found career, like, people will take a piece
of my career, and they'll be like, you know, you did this here.
But what I want to do with you is I want to start this from the beginning because I remember
seeing you...
I just seen a video recently where somebody was building with J.Rule the Damager.
Yeah, I was there.
And you was there.
So that was like, when did you actually get started in this game?
The Cash Money Click era?
Before that.
Overwhelming success.
Overwhelming success to all of you.
I mean, cheers.
And let's keep going.
Go ahead.
I got started, if you want to
really start, I got started when I was
11 years old and DJing
around the corner. So that's true, DJ Irv.
DJ motherfucking Irv.
DJing at my man Nick Chalmers.
His pops was Trini
and he had two turntables and I used to
see his turntables in the mixer
And I used to just stay in his crib
And cut and scratch
In this record called Shangri-La
It was just a break beat
And just literally
For hours
You know what I'm saying
And that's when, if you want to start the origin,
that's where the love and everything started.
Started with the turntables.
Yeah, and then I heard Suck MCs, and that's all she wrote.
How did you develop from going from a DJ to a producer?
Well, I'm from Hollis, Queens, so running them lived down the block.
Right.
And Jay and running them lived down the block. Jay and running them lived down the block.
So what more of an impression could have been felt than the niggas who was running the whole world and making everyone buy Adidas.
And they really controlled the world and was like colossal, awkward, big.
And they lived down the block.
So my influence started right there.
Just seeing Jay had a 560 Benz with the chrome rims
And I thought he was just the coolest motherfucker, and I was like I want to be that so at 15 years old
So much a message a message
Absolutely so at 15 years old
Talk that shit my man Kwasi
He locked up now. He gonna see this and he, and he's immediately going to hit me some way, somehow.
I'll be like, yo.
Somebody going to hit him, Kwasi?
Somebody going to hit Kwasi?
Yeah, Kwasi, Jamaica Park was where we did our park thing.
So I was 15 years old.
My brother Chris got me to DJ in the park.
I went to Jamaica Park one time, skipped to my Louis plan,
and then there was a shootout that happened.
Let's continue your story.
Jamaica Park.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Hey, Jamaica Park. So boom, I get. Go ahead. There's eight Jamaica Parks.
So boom,
I get in,
Kwasim smacks the nigga Garfield,
gives me the headphones,
said,
go ahead shorty,
do your thing.
I put on a rock box
and at the end of rock box
it was,
you know,
run,
run,
run,
run,
Hollis crew.
And I knew Hollis niggas
was in there.
So I just destroyed that.
Hollis crew,
Hollis,
Hollis.
My hands was like a blur.
The crowd went crazy.
And the older head said, yo, it's your park now.
I was 15.
They said, yo, you got the park every week.
You play the music.
That's when I first also learned that the world don't give a fuck about black people. Wow. Because I used to DJ,
and my niggas used to be like,
Eric B for President was the illest record right there.
So they would say,
yo, play Eric B for President,
and then get in the house.
Right.
Which, I mean,
Eric B for President,
everyone was whoop-de-woop going crazy,
and then you would just hear,
ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba.
And like, niggas was getting laid out.
But the reason why I said, I figured out that they don't really give a fuck about us
because they never stopped us.
So if niggas got laid out Friday, they would lock the house back up.
We got the thing.
Niggas would come, shoot it open, open the door, and we right back out there.
The same cops that picked up the bodies right there, and they ain't stopping us.
That happened all over again.
Right.
Like if it was Little Johnny that got blasted, no one ever is going to bring music at the
bar.
The whole shit.
Right.
So I learned early, like on another note, I learned early they don't really give a fuck
about us.
You know what I'm saying?
And so that's how you develop, like what do you think is easier to do, DJ or produce?
DJ is easier.
DJ is easier because it's just about rocking the party that
night.
Someone else
did the hard
work of making
the hit record.
Play that
motherfucker.
So DJing is
way easier than
producing.
Producing you
have to think
and feel what's
going to move
the public and
create new
sounds.
That's way more
hard.
But a good DJ
make a great
producer.
Right.
You look at all the DJs of you know Dre and the mayor and everybody like that
Everyone the DJs we just have a knack of what people want. That's our job to move the people
and
Is it most of time is better for a person to be a DJ first and to go on the production?
There's now a lot of people that's
Producers and I'll see the Swiss beats like Swiss Beats is out there. He was a DJ first and to go into production. Because now there's a lot of people that's producers and now I see Swiss Beats, like Swiss Beats is out there.
Swiss Beats was a DJ though.
Swiss Beats was a DJ.
You're right, you're right.
Swiss Beats was a DJ.
Nowadays it's the Wild Wild West.
It's like not about a turntable before.
The technology man.
I can DJ.
I mean, now it's a computer.
I can do that.
Yeah.
I can do it.
I can do it.
I swear to God, I swear to God, one day I seen the dude.
He was running the whole time he was playing it from his phone.
The nigga was over here like this the whole time, and it was going like this.
I said, oh, I could do that.
If that's what DJing is now, I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry to take away your – dude, that's what they're doing now.
These niggas setting a button.
They got iPods.
I ain't going to lie.
If I'd have known DJs was getting like the EDM niggas they get like 75
And the music So now the famous battle right Jay Z
DMX I was I was not there I just heard about it
I just heard about it but J and heard about it? Yeah, I just heard about it. But Jay and X was an interesting, interesting pair.
Because both of them still, both of them still says.
You asked Jay, I was recently, well, not recently, but there's an interview where Jay said, I never lost a battle.
And then X, we had X on here.
And we asked X, who won the battle?
What did X say?
He said he never lost a battle.
They said the same exact thing.
Yeah, but, you know, the truth is X was like, I didn't lose it, but people may have thought I lost it.
You see what I'm saying?
And he didn't like it because Jay broke out.
So Jay did his rhyme and basically said, yeah, yeah, such and such. Yeah, I'm ghost and broke out to the roar of the crowd.
So he didn't let X get a chance.
On some disrespectful Brooklyn shit.
Yeah, yeah.
We know who that is.
But Jay knew because everyone knew X and Jay.
So Jay knew, nigga, this nigga is going to go all night.
And Jay is small.
And this is really before they were both on.
This is them just being the niggas in they hood and shit like that and what was the first record they recorded after that was it
Money cash holes. No. Oh, I used to get I don't know before time to build my nigga
Well, you guys had they had you guys had freestyles
I don't know tell me if I'm wrong
We forget these that taste for my mixtapes before murder ink was like officially the lady. That was the crew
Yeah, it was DMX JJ. Yeah was it I called them murder ring it just never
happened it's crazy cuz I was you know with the BET Awards I was watching the
ciphers and I was sitting there and I told BJ and I was like it wouldn't be
special if I get murder ring to do a site for one year and Jake X and job
like now yeah oh my god that was crazy that would be hip hop that way for me to to do a site for one year and J, X, and Jai. Like now? Yeah.
Oh my God.
That would be crazy.
That would be crazy.
For hip hop,
the only way for me to do it
is because the only one
that wouldn't do it is Hov.
X is like,
I'm in.
Jai's, I'm in.
So Hov is always the...
How open was that for you
when Jai and X
was going through their time?
I hated it. Because you know I hated it.
I fucking hate it. Because they're both of them is truly my brothers. I love both of those guys.
I would die for both of those guys. You understand? And I hated it and and and just quite honestly
in my opinion X was wrong. Because I forgot what's his beat he said he sounded like he came out with holla holla X from coming got it
he's saying it's my record so with X what had happened was exactly this it
was too many people saying yo it's murder holla holla come up to me and
that shit was just making his blood boil and if you know X the way I know X X
really don't like any rapper
no he don't he's cool with you he just he just happens to put the word more on
his chest he somewhat feels like I like you is cool but if I get on the track
with you I'm trying to burn you down. Like, if you want to be the best. He'll just take it to the end. He'll start talking to you
type of shit.
If you don't feel like he wins, he stops.
If you would have seen us early on,
it was funny.
So, that story with Lior,
we had Lior on here, and
the story where he rhymed for Lior
with a wire jaw. Joe's wire
is shut. Whoa. Is it?
Yeah, I brought Leo.
Wow.
To take you back before that, I quit Def Jam.
I quit. Wait, what were you talking about?
Before X got signed, I quit because they wasn't letting me sign next.
The very first meeting I had with Def Jam, Tina Davis, James Jones, they was my bosses.
They was giving me my duties of what I have to do as an A&R director. So I sat there and I was like, yeah
So as they finished Joe, we gotta sign X and they start laughing
so like a couple months went by and they had me just doing shit that I didn't really want to do and
I left there's a reason why they would laughing at you want to sign X like there's any specific reason they was just
I've been already were laughing at you wanting to sign X? Like, was there any specific reason? They was just laughing.
They were just laughing at my rambunctiousness and ambition at the very first meeting.
I'm talking about signing an act.
And they was like, nigga, you got to.
And you had already brought Jay-Z?
I didn't bring Jay-Z.
You suggested.
But I helped.
I was a part of Jay coming to Def Jam.
I'm not going to lie, Irv.
I'm going to be honest.
As a person that was in the industry, when we first, what was it, Get At Me, dog?
Yeah.
When we first heard it, we were confused because that energy just wasn't, it didn't exist.
And then I seen the video.
The video, the black and white joint.
No, let me finish.
It was black and white.
I hated it at first.
Everyone did.
Because I was like, I don't know what the fuck was it at first. Everyone did. Because I knew I was like,
I was like,
I jerked him.
At first,
I was like,
yo, I jerked him.
And then when I realized,
yeah, I planned that.
And then I realized,
because like, you know,
back in the days,
and then when I looked
and I was like,
these niggas is in the tunnel.
No.
That wasn't the tunnel?
That was in the tunnel.
That was in the tunnel.
But listen,
listen,
the whole reason why,
because Diddy was winning so hard yes, you know I'm saying
That's why I get like the whole people when they when they coming up and they just hate them all fucking who's winning
Like I didn't hate did he like that, but I hated him on the low cuz I
Say we hated him
Listen I did do more money another way. I see them back. So, yeah. So, yeah. Listen, Hype did the more money, more problems.
I was wearing camouflage and he was wearing shiny suits.
I'm not going to say you had a shiny suit on.
Hey, look.
I'm looking at the more money, more.
I'm like, the grass never looks so green.
I said, look at the sky.
The sky is so blue.
When it rains, it's champagne.
Right.
So, I said, Hype, we're going to be the anti.
That's crazy. And that's why if you remember the same time. Wait said We gonna be the anti That's crazy
And that's why
If you remember the sound
Wait Hype did that video?
Yeah
Hype Williams did that video
I didn't know that
Yes listen
And fucking
The soundbite
Remember it's
Do do
DMX
Do do
Live at the tunnel
Do do
Phone man's deflex
And then he goes
Let's take it back to the streets
Motherfucker
Blaming in the city just fucking your eyes up.
You know the funny story?
Because I thought I had the dopest video ever.
The exact vision that me and Hype wanted was falsely.
So I go to Def Jam.
I'm amped.
I'm about to get the label on board.
I got everyone in the conference room.
I cut the fucking lights off.
We played a video in the conference room. I cut the fucking lights off. We played a video in the dark room.
If you ever watch in the dark room, it really fucks your shit up.
The movie came on and word to mother, I'm the only one in there like this.
Yeah, and everyone is like going like this.
The video stops and Julie was like, Julie Greenwald, this might be the worst video I've ever seen. Why did you waste our money?
You're a fucking idiot. You're a moron. They kept saying who's gonna buy his records. He keeps barking
Got him. You're a fucking idiot. You're an idiot. They totally deflated me and I went back
I said fuck y'all y'all don't know what's hot y'all in these others
I went to the whole you know Yeah, I don't know what the fuck is going on shit, and that's when I start putting a triangle with five and DMX and everyone's office
Predicting he was gonna sell five
Who's gonna buy his records dogs you're gonna get chihu What's the type of boss? You're a fucking idiot. Who's going to buy his records?
Dogs?
You're going to get chihuahuas?
Chihuahuas can't buy records, Gotti.
But to this day, I don't think there'll
never be another DMX.
The thing is, when you see DMX and you can tell,
it goes back to the artistry thing.
I've never seen DMX on stage with somebody else.
No.
I've never seen him bring a guest out.
No.
You don't want no hype, man.
That's 100%.
I was watching the show, because I went to the Hip Hop Awards, too, yesterday.
I was watching, and I was like, damn.
There was nobody there.
Even if they had dancers, they had somebody.
There was no guy who just came out by himself.
Listen, no disrespect.
No disrespect.
And I like the mumble rap guys.
I fuck with mumble rap.
I know.
I don't call it mumble rap.
I love it.
They call it mumble rap.
Listen to me.
Just listen to me break this down.
They did a great thing.
Yes, they did.
I don't know why.
What was they going to fucking do after Pac, Jay, Nas, Biggie?
So this new generation created, Biggie, Bing.
So this new generation created their own sound guys.
We gotta give them credit.
Let's give them credit for being drug addicts as well.
The new generation, the drug addicts motherfuckers,
the new generation.
Hey, hey, not the only thing.
I see some kid the other day, he was on a couple,
he was like this, on XXL, I said,
this nigga needs help this nigga don't
shouldn't be freestyling
this nigga's a lean
here's the only thing
here's the only thing
I don't get
is this style of
dress
and stuff like that
yeah
you know what I'm saying
Jay tried to help him out
when he said
Tupac had a nose ring too
Jay relax
they're out of control
right
Jay we got relax
but like
the dress that they wear
and the dress
how they're dressing you know and I'm cool with if you want to wear skinny jeans, but it'd be like they'd be leaning.
I don't even want to say it because I don't want to.
It goes on.
Okay, it's shot time.
Where's the shot glass?
No, I don't want to say it because I don't want that community to think I'm against them.
Right.
And I'm not.
But it goes without saying.
But they look weird.
You understand?
And it's not masculine. You know what I'm not. But it goes without saying. But they look weird. You understand? And it's not masculine.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like masculine with that.
The music wise, I'm like, holy shit.
These niggas did it.
They thought of their own way after arguably the greatest generation of rappers that ever fucking graced the mic.
And they was like, well, we can't do that.
Think about it
What is a rapper
Gonna say
That's new
Right
That you haven't heard
Like
Come on man
Nigga X is like
Nigga
You know what time
You know what I'm saying
This nigga talked about
I'm a cruddy nigga
That's
Going up raw dog
And dirty bitches
And if I get burned
I'm giving that shit
To dirty bitches
You say you know
What nigga like me
Guess again poppy Cause I might smile Up your face, but I ain't your friend
Bobby like you can't be no water in this thing you see I posted the other data to survive a little illicit
That nigga niggas wanna try I'm like hip-hop at its rawest form
Gonna get that but if I'm a new rapper
I don't want to do that cuz fuck nigga I can't do it better than that nigga so I'm gonna do some other shit
That's my own lane and see I appreciate that because that's what i had to do with murder rink
like jive's a gritty ass rapper jive's a battle rap nigga him and x used to battle niggas and
kill niggas all day all right but once j is at the top of his fucking the game and x is at the
what am i doing with my label now here it is i, I held Rockefeller, I held Rough Riders, I get my own label and I'm like, yo, these two niggas is in my way.
I don't want to sell two million, I want to sell seven, eight like these guys.
But they're in my way, I can't, no one's going to out cool Jay.
He's the coolest rapper ever in the world.
He don't sweat.
He doesn't sweat.
He don't sweat.
You know what I'm saying?
And this nigga, X is the grimy street
he sweats a lot he sweats a lot he's robbing they like yo what the what am i gonna do
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There was one time I was very scared
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You got to give that back.
He's got to win.
He was like, no, no, no.
But yo, for real, I was, I was, yo, you just, oh, listen, listen.
All right, cool.
I was nervous, guys.
I was nervous.
Let me give you the Shug.
Okay, please, please, please.
I know you got more than one, though.
I got a ton.
But listen, I'm like the one dude that Murder Ring was the one crew, especially from New York.
He fucked with all of us.
I'm going to give you the real shit.
I'll give you the real shit.
That's what we do.
That's what we do with Drink.
No, no, we'll do another.
I'm going to give you the real shit. We got plenty we do. That's what we do with Drinks and... No, no, we'll do another one. I'm going to give you
the real shit.
We got plenty of time.
So how we got cool
with Suge Knight?
Put ice in there.
Let's talk about it.
We heard the stories
just like every fucking body else.
This guy,
you got to watch him.
He's the Prince of Darkness.
He's this, that.
We heard all the stories.
Wait, hold on.
Niggas call him
the Prince of Darkness?
Sounds right.
I didn't hear that one.
I can imagine that.
Darkness! When he wants to be, he is the Prince of Darkness. Come on, niggas call him the prince of darkness? Sounds right. I didn't hear that one. I can imagine that. No, no, he, darkness.
When he wants to be, he is the prince of darkness.
Come on, man, that's one of their lies.
But yeah, so I sampled fucking Chess So Many Tears, my man.
Chess So Many Tears.
Not only did I sample it.
Hold it, not only did I sample it, I had Pac's voice.
We not fear no man but God, even though I walked through. I had Pop's voice. We not fear no man but God.
Even though I walked through, I had his voice.
Right.
So you say you did this before having any dealings with Suge?
I thought Shed So Many Teens was Interscope.
Because he wasn't on Death Row at that point.
What was it?
No.
What was it?
Suge took everything.
Oh.
Yeah.
So once Suge took Pop, when I called Jimmy in Interscope, he says, Irv, you got to call
Suge.
I said, all right, cool.
They don't call him Marion.
No.
They try to, sometimes I just notice that about CEOs.
Hold on, did you see?
Did you see?
But wait a minute, wait a minute.
Do my Suge.
Suge and Jimmy was tight, my nigga.
Yeah, yeah.
Did you see the documentary?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which one?
That Suge's playing football
with David Geffen?
What are you talking about?
The one on HBO?
Yes.
And he's thinking
it was football Sundays
and you've seen Marion.
He was tight.
Jimmy and him
was like this, my nigga.
You understand?
Suga always show me love.
I can't even front him, Suga.
Every time I show him.
He like the street niggas.
I got to tell you that. I got to tell you that. I'm gonna like this street niggas
After he like his job is like a story
Not quite tiger bone
So this is morning enough again
So but the thing about it is so I sample the he calls me, I give the number to his people, he calls me, he says, yeah.
I said, yeah, I'm in Enterprise, I'm in L.A.
He said, yo, I'm going to come through.
You in L.A.? I'm going to come through.
I said, cool.
So now I'm going to be honest.
Shug's coming over, you heard all the stories, everyone get ready.
Ain't no punk and shit going on.
You know what I'm saying?
We're going to be cool.
We ain't going to overdo it or whatever.
But I ain't going to lie.
It was like 20 niggas in the studio.
It was a gangster session.
Preem was there.
All my niggas was there.
And we was cool.
Shug comes in.
He got like five of his niggas or whatever.
And he's smoking a cigar cigar And he's seeing this shit
And niggas is just there
We ain't on no bullshit
But he can see the temperature
Of the thing
This ain't no
This ain't like security
This is niggas
This is niggas
You understand
And niggas is looking like
It's whatever
So he's seeing
Pring
Always got love
Right I've never seen a person where I've never seen him not get like So he's seen, Preem always got love. Right.
I've never seen a person where,
I've never seen him not get like maximum love and respect.
And even if you don't know who Preem is,
He's just a good nigga.
He's a good nigga.
He's a good dude.
So boom.
You know, so boom.
He sees Preem.
He's like, oh shit, what up homie?
Preem's like, what's up?
All cool shit.
He comes in.
He's smoking a cigar. First verse, he said, oh, y'all niggas ain't on no Hollywood shit, what up homie? Prune's like, what's up? All cool shit. He comes in. He's smoking a cigar. First verse.
He said, oh, y'all niggas ain't on no
Hollywood shit, are you?
He was like, nah. You know what I'm saying?
Enterprise. Nah. And he was like,
oh, Enterprise. I loved Enterprise.
Yeah, loved Enterprise. We used to book Enterprise out.
But boom, he goes, he says, yo,
check this out.
We start talking.
It's me, him, and Ruel.
He asked Ruel a question.
This is a true story.
I never lie, so whatever I say,
that's what gets me into problems,
because I never lie, right?
So boom, he asked Ruel,
so where you see yourself in five years, homie?
And Ruel, you know, he's smoking his blunt.
He said, man, sky's the limit, nigga.
Sky's the limit. Sky's the limit And shut a tear
Cause he said that was
The same as that
That pox
Rue told me this story
And he said yo
He said nigga
That's the same exact
What my man said
And he got emotional
Right
And it's scary
When that
When you see a big nigga
Like that
That's why I'm like
He's He's He's sending niggas.
You know what I'm saying?
But then after that, he got emotional and he's thinking it was a moment.
You know what I'm saying?
Me and Rude put his hands like, it's all good, nigga.
He watching over you or whatever like that.
And he said, after that, he was like, man, y'all can hear that sound.
Nigga didn't charge me a penny.
Wow. Let's make some noise for Shug Knight, guys. He's sitting sample. Nigga didn't charge me a penny. Wow.
Let's make some noise for Sugar Knight, girl.
Nigga didn't charge, I ain't got hair.
So not naming no names, but there's certain street niggas that we fuck with in New York
that don't like Sugar Knight when we see us.
And we'll be like, yo, how the fuck you fuck with that nigga?
You know, my man BJ would tell them niggas like, man, if we listen to whatever you want to say,
we shouldn't fuck with you. You know what I'm saying would tell them niggas like, man, if we listen to whatever you want to say, we shouldn't fuck with you.
You know what I'm saying?
Or whatever like that.
You know, but how could I not have a relationship with the guy?
He gave me the sample for free.
Right.
He did good by you.
Never was knowing no bullshit.
Never tried no bullshit.
It was just a pure, good relationship.
Right.
And honestly, I'm a pretty smart guy in the music business.
I am.
I know a lot of shit.
Suge Knight, probably one of the most smartest guys I've ever spoken to.
He was breaking shit down to me that I didn't know.
And how I used it to get more money out of fucking Def Jam.
This guy is brilliant.
The only thing wrong with Suge is, nigga, he likes being a gangster.
Like, he likes being a gangster.
He likes being Suge Knight.
You understand?
Everything that embodies that, the whole mysteriousness of that,
he likes it.
Because I used to tell him, like, nigga, you so smart.
I'm like, just, he's like, nah, God, he fuck these niggas.
Right.
And here, I'm going to tell you why most people get in a beast with Suge Knight.
Right.
Because I've seen it with my own eyes.
Me and Suge will be in the club, chilling.
Nigga, I ain't going to say no names, but it's some, a celebrity, musician or whatever come up.
And they'll come up to us, me and Suge, in the cut, just chilling.
And I would see, you know how a nigga get around gangsters and get uncomfortable so they
start talking shit just to say shit that they don't really mean but little do you
know like just now we just now some niggas gave you like I'm over here like
wait no but this is deep because okay you just you just sitting with sugar
next you know like yo you should manage, we should do this song together.
Yo, I'm in this movie.
You could do the soundtrack.
You signed a verbal fucking contract with the Prince of Darkness, nigga.
You thinking you bullshitting it.
Yo, I'm just going to get out of here.
I'm just going to tell this nigga whatever so I can get the fuck out of here.
You signed the contract, nigga.
That's a verbal contract.
Gangsters don't do contracts. Nigga, you say it. You signed the contract, nigga. That's a verbal contract. Gangsters don't do contracts.
Nigga, you say it.
You gotta say it again.
Right?
So now,
you leave,
you gotta tell him,
like,
that was a close one.
Change my number.
I gave the nigga my number.
Change my number.
Right?
This is how it goes down.
Like,
I would be with Shug
and he'd be like,
watch this nigga change
his number,
got it.
But here's the thing.
You in the entertainment business, you coming back to LA? Yeah, she'll don't live in Boise, Idaho
They go to Nebraska
He's in LA and he's and he gets active and he's around and he got snitches all over the place
He doesn't he gonna be right now
Word he pulling up and now it's a problem
Now you getting smacked or it's gonna be some type of physical altercation.
You see what I'm saying? Where all you had to do was just not front and beat you.
Like you said, Norrie just said, yeah, I'm never serious. Cause Norrie, he knows. So he's like, nigga, I could be cool.
Yeah, he liked it, my crew. You know what she likes he likes what we like She would look at it for like a person's crew. He'll see the tough guy. He'll know that niggas the nigga
That's the rapper but that niggas a nigga and he'll go and befriend him
But he'll he'll pick the leader like I don't know how he used to do up some off mad different crews
I see my Hollywood shit, but believe me a
Lot of people I've seen with my own eyes They get themselves in the shit because they talk to him and say shit that they don't mean.
And they're just doing it just to get the fuck out of his presence.
You understand?
Right.
They're giving his numbers and telling this nigga, we're going to do things.
He calling you, nigga.
Mm-hmm.
He calling you.
Remember that one time he was managing Jodeci, Mary, everybody.
Yep. But now we're going to switch it. We gonna switch it switch it switch lanes we're gonna switch it because it's like there's different
herb goddess right and one of my favorite herb goddess was ecstasy herb ecstasy yo my you had
more accident puff daddy at one point yeah i was I was a late bloomer. I was like, like me and John was like,
the ecstasy guys, like who lives on the low.
But Irv Gotti, one day, I think this nigga
walk in the studio, I'm going to go like this.
You know, medicine jar.
He's just like,.
I'm going to keep it real.
I've never seen that.
I'm going to keep it all the way real.
You killed that.
I killed that.
I killed that. I'm going to keep it all the way real. You killed that. I killed that.
I killed that.
I'm going to keep it all the way real.
I was a late bloomer.
I'm not into drugs or alcohol.
Right.
I'll do it.
You know what I'm saying?
But I'm not into it like that.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm going to give you an ill story about die to this one.
Listen, I'm not into it.
Okay.
So my niggas was doing the ecstasy shit.
And they start talking about how great the sex is when you fucking a bitch in this is fucking great
You know not you can just dog for the bitch all night
So boom I had to do this record for Funkmaster flex X was filming a movie in Canada
I went to Canada I flew in a
Loving touch, touch Right So the loving touch
I like that
What is that
A loving touch
A loving touch
I know it's what
Loving touch
I know what that is
I know what that is
Denzel
Denzel gets the pop on that
Denzel gets the pop on that
Right
So fucking
I fly in a loving touch
Boom
She says
Yo
If you ever done ecstasy
I said
Yo I heard about it
Never did it
She said, let's
do some and fuck.
Really, women is
the most devilish. They always
get a nigga to do something. Niggas been
telling me for months, Irv, you should do this
and fuck out of here. Bad bitch
and it was a bad bitch.
Go ahead, smoke it.
Go ahead, drink it.
I mean,
I done cocaine before
fucking with a bad redhead nigga.
Grand open, grand closing though.
I'll give you my cocaine story a little later.
Let's say we're ecstasy right now.
Right, so we just have one drug at a time.
I do the ecstasy.
We start, it hits us like 1130, 1145.
We start fucking.
We don't stop fucking.
We take a pause at 430.
I'm dog fucking the bitch to shit out this bitch, right?
So 430, she's done had like fucking five, six orgasms.
I ain't nut fucking once.
I'm stopping.
I'm like, what's going on?
What's happening?
What's happening?
You know what the bitch say?
You know what she say?
No. Let's do another one and i go yeah let's do another one we take another one wait like a half hour i fucks the bitch i don't know one time i fuck the bitch till 10 30 right this bitch is
laid out the fucking hotel room look like a crime scene
nigga the only thing he was missing was a yellow motherfucking table and some chalk lines and shit right
this is a crime scene we done fucked up the whole room boom I call who do I call my nigga BJ and Rool
they laughing I'm like yeah as soon as they heard the yo they dying laughing like he did it. He fucking did it. Yo, let me tell you.
I said, yo, this shit is incredible.
It's fucking, they said, yeah, nigga, you did it good, nigga.
In my mind, in my mind, looking from the outside in, right?
Because now, a lot of people don't know this.
Me and Ja lived on the same block for like 10 years.
In Jersey, right?
We were both in Jersey.
We were both on Depth Jam depth jam right but this is the crazy
shit after holla holla he made some bread and he was mad at the critics he wasn't mad at x yeah he
was mad at the critics he's mad at the comparison it was like four o'clock in the morning i had never
told you know no he he was fucking with he i didn't know and he just knocked on my door at
four o'clock in the morning he's like, yo, you up?
I was like, yeah
He walked in my crib
He was like, you think I sound like X?
And I said, nah
It was fucking with him
This is from personal shit
I've never said this before
I'm gonna give you the illest story after this
I said, nah, actually
I get why they say it
But your voice tones is the same
He said, do I have to change my subject matter?
He said, I'm going to fuck with the bitches.
And he just left my crib.
I know he was on E.
And I was on E.
No, but it was on his mind.
That very moment.
That was an E conversation.
That very moment is the Ja Rule run.
Yo, holy hell.
That's my story.
I'm going to give you an L one.
Is this better than that?
It's way better.
Because I'm going to emphasize what's happening.
It's way better.
I don't think people focus on what's happening.
My nigga, it's way better. Okay, go ahead. Go on. Let's go. Okay, it's way better. Because I'm going to emphasize this. It's way better. I don't think people focus on what's happening.
Okay, go ahead. Let's go. Let me put my seat back.
So now, you know, X is starting to go at him.
He's telling me,
he's biting my shit. I'm like,
X, you're wilding out, nigga.
Everyone thinks this hollering
is mine. His voice sounds like mine.
I can see it.
Leo comes to us and he's I need another
album so we go in and they flesh of my flesh I did two records on flesh of my
flesh one of the records that I did is we we don't give a fuck
that record he's shitting on job, my nigga.
I produced the record, gave X the beat, and he made a record, used to be my dog.
You was in my left titty, scream, ride or die.
When it rain, niggas get wet, stay dry.
You produced that, Irv?
Yes.
I never knew that.
So boom, hold it, hold it.
So I make this record, I give X the beat.
Shout out, Red. No, you hold it. Hold it. So I make this record. I give X the beat. Shout out Rav.
You didn't know, David.
No.
Let me give you the full fucking story.
Let's go, man.
So here, I give him the beat.
I'm in the studio, and as soon as I hear it, I know he's on the bullshit.
He's sitting on Rue in that record.
Wow.
Rue's my artist and my brother Right
Here's what I do after he does it
I'm in my truck
Rule's in the back seat
I said Rule
I ain't using the record
And he said what you talking about
I said you know
I'm telling him we ain't putting that record on the album
He said play the record Gotti And I said Rule you may not want to hear this record You know, I'm telling him we ain't putting that record on the album.
He said, play the record, Gotti.
And I said, Rue, you may not want to hear this record.
Oh, he don't know.
He don't know.
I'm giving you the prelude to probably him.
Yo, you think I... Because nigga.
So now, I play the record.
And the record is making me...
I'm sitting in the truck
Uncomfortable
Cause I know exactly
What this nigga X is doing
And he's
And X
X
When I confronted X about it
He laughing
Stay out of it Gotti
Let the brothers fight
Right
Sometimes you gotta let
The two pits
He always was a dog analogy
Yeah yeah yeah
You gotta let him
You gotta let him go
To this day he still do that To this day He's a dog He thinks he's a dog in there. Yeah, I love you. You gotta let him go to the stage. They'll do that to this day
He's a dog
I could tell you why
No, the dog okay when you when you grow up with no love from your parents and then he was homeless
And he was sleep outside and boomer would be the only one there
He said he'd be sleeping and he wake wake up to Boomer backing the nigga up.
So the only nigga who he felt was Boomer, nigga.
Like Boomer don't talk, Boomer don't lie.
He said, I could beat the shit out of Boomer and Boomer still don't come back.
So with X, that's the love I give him.
I give X what I call dog love. So I don't care what he's doing or what he's doing. So's the love I give him. I give X what I call dog love.
So I don't care what he's doing or what he's on.
This nigga, I love you.
Let me finish the roll shit.
You're playing the record.
So I'm playing the record.
Yeah.
And my nigga is hearing the whole record.
And y'all have heard Rude with Rance before.
Like, remember when he was on Hot 97?
He said, y'all niggas want to see Tupac?
I'm going on B, you know what I'm saying?
Imagine that rant times a hundred.
Right.
He went, we going to do it.
And I'm sitting there like this, and he's like, nigga, we going to go.
He didn't like the locks at that juncture.
I'm going to give it.
If you listen to the Murders album, we different.
Nigga, he's going.
It's just that the songs that he was going was never singles.
It was never glamorized.
The female-friendly shit was glamorized.
But nigga, he's a demon on that mic.
But that's when it was at the height of him like
and i hear when you look at rule 336 you see when he went to you and asked you that
it's so it's so crazy this is right after that first album yes and he grew his hair yeah we did
female records so after that i'm like x this nigga got braids, nigga. You ball-headed.
Where's the comparison?
You'll never make a record like what it would be without you.
This is not you, nigga.
Yo, listen, I'm going to tell you, Gotti.
The reason why he came to me was because when we came out naturally,
two niggas from Queens, they automatically compared you to Mobb D.
They automatically did that with a component.
Oh, you guys definitely.
You definitely knew this. I knew how to relate to that a component. Oh, you guys definitely, you definitely moved it.
I knew how to relate to that.
But I said, you know what I did?
I went and did it in an R.E. album.
And I got with some niggas with some tight shirts and chokers from Virginia that nobody
said that they was going to be shit.
And now I did.
So I changed it up and moved.
But what I've said, that's the reason why it's ecstasy.
Because the reason why, see, ecstasy makes your emotions come out.
Like, whatever you do, you be like, yo, I love you.
That's why, if you look at those records.
We made a lot of great music on ecstasy.
Ecstasy, yo, ecstasy.
Hold on, hold on.
Y'all might owe ecstasy money.
Wait, wait.
The creator would definitely owe a check. The wait. The creator would definitely owe a check.
The creator of that shit would definitely owe a check.
Because from the next like three albums, you can see that.
And me personally, me personally.
Right.
I was on Ecstasy every day for like three years.
Holy shit.
No, but I'm keeping it real.
I'm keeping it real.
Bite the head of the dog, bitch.
So you wake up and you know you're feeling groggy.
You know what we used to do?
Look at the music they was making, though.
Just think about it. Look at the music they was making.
You can't say...
That's making so much sense now.
I'm always there when you call.
And I'm always on time.
You can't make that, man.
We did that.
Did you need some help?
Yeah, we was hot. We made Unreal in five minutes. You can't make that on weed! Nah, yeah. You need some help? You need help in your little piece?
We made Unreal in five minutes.
You ever have Molly?
It's fantastic.
Molly is fantastic.
It's the remix.
We was doing Ecstasy.
You had bad trips.
But those pills were bad.
My nigga, this is the crazy shit
As we take another shot
As we take another shot
And I'm there guys
Let's go
Let's go
Let's go
We've been
The fans been waiting
So
Nigga
My videos
I'm the director
Or
I got hype
Or date minds
But understand
I'm the
I'm the label
So it's like Irv You need 500,000 No I need I got hype or date minds. But understand, I'm the label.
So it's like, Irv, you need 500,000.
No, I need 600,000.
You always ask for it.
I'm going to give it to you.
Understand, there was no fucking... The lights on X right now.
No, my nigga.
That's not even a vote.
That's us.
Listen, there is no control it was all I ain't gonna lie listen it was all me so
my nigga I would put in video but just $50,000 for miscellaneous cases of
Christa that's one stop is a women you one stop. Joe, a pillow bag full of weed and
Fucking a bag like this full with ecstasy fucking pills.
I'm not gonna lie, murder eight video shoots was the shit.
You was like going to clubs.
I was like whatever is your advice, we have it.
Liquor, weed, drugs, whatever. If you want coke, I will get it.
It was in the budget. It was in the budget.
Cause y'all discovered super hair, right? get it. It was in the budget. It's in the budget. It's in the budget.
Because y'all discovered Superhead, right?
That was y'all who blew up.
Yeah, you went to Superhead.
I was just out to Superhead.
You went to Superhead and started.
Superhead was a, she was an interesting dick sucker.
She's an interesting dick sucker.
We've never heard of her.
Superhead. Good, good.
So Superhead was around us, and what really put her over the top was my nigga Fred Dersh.
Security Fred?
No, Limp Bizkit.
Oh, my God.
I thought you were talking about the real Limp Bizkit.
Limp Bizkit seen the bitch around us and was like,
God, get that bitch out of here, yo.
She robbed me.
Oh, Fred Dersh from Limp Bizkit?
Like, she sucked my dick and robbed me on some sneaky hoe shit, right?
Mm-hmm.
And a man said, well, that's it.
I didn't even, I wasn't fucking with her or whatever.
She was just fucking with some dudes in the crew.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
So, I said, bitch, I said, bitch, you a thieving ass bitch.
Get the fuck out of here, yo.
And she was like, God, he know.
God, he know.
Fred Dirk, she's like, I said, how the fuck you know it was Fred Dirk?
She told me this shit.
She said, because he says it all the time.
He says things, but I didn't do it.
He's just a corny, whack motherfucker.
And he's doing it.
I'm like, bitch, listen.
I don't care.
My man, and we had a relationship with Fred.
Get the fuck out.
This was around the time we were shooting Between Me and You video.
She wanted in the video so bad.
So, again, once again.
Was this the infamous pool party with all the PDs on the boat
No, no, no, that's the bungalow that was part two. I've rented every bungalow in heard these stories in there
So now I'm telling that she can't be in the video she's show up at the video my bitch
What the fuck is you doing here? Didn't I tell you to get the fuck out of here?
I'm like, no one's fucking with you.
You a thieving bitch.
She's like, God,
what I got to do?
What I got to do?
Right?
So I, honestly,
I swear to God,
I just said the most outrageous shit
to thinking she would just be like,
you disrespectful nigga,
get the fuck out.
I said, you have to suck
every nigga in murdering's dick, nigga,
if you want to stay around
this motherfucking movement, bitch.
It wasn't. It didn't. It wasn't a long thought process.
It was, so where do you want me to go to start?
To which I replied, fucking go in that trailer.
Still thinking she's going to flip.
She walked in the trailer, and niggas lined up. Wow. the trailer and niggas lined up.
Wow.
Now.
And niggas lined up.
Now.
And then after that,
she was basically like a murder ring groupie.
Like, we was like rock stars
during our height.
I ain't gonna lie,
no one did it really like us
because we was just so crazy with it
and we used to rent mansions
and have bloods, crips, essays.
If you ask anybody in L.A. during that time, they would be like, yo, murder ring niggas is the chillest niggas ever.
These niggas had a mansion.
These niggas just out in L.A.
You know how L.A. closed at 2 o'clock?
Yeah.
Nigga Rule was so free with it, yo.
Nigga, 2.30, he's giving everyone the cold.
I'm like, I'm walking in.
There's 400 niggas in the crib.
They knew what a sound system,
they grilling, I'm like, what the
fuck? And that was like that for
three months. It was like that
for three months. But LA, we got
so much LA love behind that.
LA niggas, I still love LA niggas.
I'm going to tell you some real shit about you,
Gotti. People see
you, like the executives, and they fall in love with you.
You're always going to get a check.
Is that a skill or is that just something that comes naturally?
I just think that I'm blessed with a fucking brain.
I won't be bumping into her about it.
My God was like, oh, my God, that was her.
I was like, I'm looking like, and you know, I want to see how they feel.
And it's like,
wow.
You know, God, though, man,
God blesses me with these visions.
You know what?
I get a lot of my visions.
I swear to God,
that's why I give it to God
in my sleep.
I cannot tell you
how many times
I go to bed
and I'll be sleeping
and he'll give me
the most vividest dream
of what to do.
And I'll wake up and be like, this is what I'm doing.
This shit has happened like so many times.
That's why I'm like, yo, I'm unconscious.
It's not even me sitting here thinking.
There's been times with me thinking.
I can think of some shit too.
Don't get it fucked up.
But it's a lot of times, nigga, I'm going to be sleeping and nigga, he'll bless me.
Like Tails.
I was just about to go there.
Let's get focused. Yo, Tails. How did just about to go there. Let's get focused.
Yo, Tails.
How did you come up with that idea?
He's saying it.
Tails from the crib.
But I had a dream.
Tails from the crib.
The old joint?
The crib shit.
That's all it is.
Okay.
A revamp?
I shouldn't say that.
No, no.
No, but this is not.
Remove the crib.
You know Tails from the crib?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Remove the crib keeper.
Okay.
Right.
Play hip-hop song.
There was a man in the Crypt Keeper.
There was a man and there was a woman.
He would tell you and tip you off what you were about to see.
Right.
So I'm just playing the song.
You don't know Tales from the Crypt?
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Like, not Tales from the Hood, which was an adaptation.
No, no, Tales from the Hood.
The original HBO show, which was a horror show. So did you receive slack? Because I don't know if you know, you did Fuck the Hood, which was an adaptation. The original HBO show, which was a horror show.
So did you receive slack?
Because I don't know if you know, you did Fuck the Police, right?
And it was the reverse.
Yeah.
It was the reverse.
And when I saw that, I was like, that shit felt scary to even think of it like that because I'm just not used to the world being like that.
I did that just...
Bring it down for the people who didn't...
Fuck the Police, I did a version of the NWA Fuck the Police where I did that just Break it down for the people who didn't Fuck the police I did a version of the NWA
Fuck the police where I did race reversal
So everything that happens to black people
And minorities I had it happen
To white people
Now the only reason
And the white people were like the niggas
He had them in the hood
This was them
They was in the hood
They got the injustices
They got the injustices.
They got the,
I can't breathe and I put a pretty white boy
to get killed
and shit like that
for fucking with a black chick,
which is the reverse
of niggas fucking
with white chicks
and then the white chick goes,
he raped me
or lies on him.
I had it done to him.
But I did it
straight up.
I did it just
for white people to see how fucked up it is right
and then you know what for a moment like remember when all of this shit was going on just now
and you had like you get michael rapaport and he's speaking out you had lady gaga like yo what can i
do to help you know i'm saying that's what i made that episode for. Now, whether or not it had the effect like that, that's what I made it for.
Because to have a true change, it just can't be black people and minorities and Spanish people and everything like that with the uprising.
It's got to be white people that say, yo, this is fucked up.
Yeah, that's how we want.
That's how it's going to be.
It's got to be more white people.
It's got to be.
That's the only way it's going to change. When white people go, yo, this is fucked up and's going to be. It's got to be more white people. It's got to be. That's the only way it's going to change.
When white people go, yo, this is fucked up and we got to stop.
And when I seen glimpses of it, it made me smile.
Like, yo.
And I honestly think like the racist people in the world, I think hip hop has changed the world.
And I think the racist people in the world is a very older generation.
And once they die...
They're lashing out now. That's what's happening.
They're lashing out.
Isn't it crazy?
I think that's what's happening.
Trump is giving them like...
But I think it's the dying, lashing out.
The rallies lately, the white people rallies lately,
there have been a lot of young boys there.
No, I know.
It's been a lot of young guys.
But I think it's a dying, lashing out.
I think that's the old racist shit.
No, no. See, and I call backlash for this. Listen. It's been a lot of young bastards It's a down and green rationale You would think that That's the old racist shit No no
See and I caught backlash
For this
Listen
Because
And I don't like
Talking political anymore
After I caught backlash
Okay
We don't talk about it
We got more bottles to her
But listen
I got backlash
Because I said
The young white boys
I said they may be mad
Because we fucking all
They chicks
You know
White chicks Fucking with niggas is at an all-time high.
It's at an all-time high.
And I think they could be pissed off.
Because, you know, most commonly heard answer from a white chick who fucks with a black dude like yo.
And I be asking them, like, you don't fuck with white dudes anymore?
And they be like, nah.
And I be like, why?
They like, they're not cool.
Most commonly answered from a white chick on why she doesn't fuck with white boys no more
after she fucks with a black guy, they're not cool.
So it ain't going to be too much of that before those young boys are like,
man, you fucking my bitch.
Like, that's enough for the hatred.
And look, not even another white boy like me, she won't even fuck another white boy like me.
She's strictly on some nigga dick.
You know what I'm saying?
So when I see the young generation, I'll be like, ah, they sister or they girl.
This fucking weird fucking Rakim Allah for the hood.
You know what I'm saying?
I want you to meet Rakim Allah from the hood. You know what I'm saying? Right.
I want you to meet Rakim Allah.
He's so gentle.
He's nice.
Did you ever see,
did you ever feel a certain way where it felt like,
His name is Rakim Allah.
where it felt like
they were trying to push
the black CEO out?
Did you like,
like,
because us being an artist,
you know,
like,
you know,
at the end of the day,
you know,
I'm just being,
stepping up as a CEO role.
I've always been a leader of my own company. I got you. day, you know, I'm just stepping up as a CEO role.
I've always been a leader of my own company.
I got you. Always had that, but I'm really stepping out on my own.
Yeah, you was part of the whole uprising.
Right, yeah.
But let me try to make my point.
Because it was like, I felt good working with Dame.
Like, even though me and Dame, we argue too.
We argue too.
But just like, but I love.
Who doesn't argue with Dame?
I love, like, working with Dame and Jay and the Bigs.
I love Dame, man.
And then you guys had your floor on Def Jam.
And then that was my building.
Although 170 Fabric was the best building.
160 Fabric.
I always get that.
You know, I'm dyslexic.
But that was when music was...
It was when the black CEOs was at.
It was just...
It'll never be like that again.
You don't think your dad
was about to ask...
Let me big up...
That moment in time,
do you realize
how many niggas
we was getting?
I was getting like
20, 30 million,
my nigga.
God damn it.
I know the egg was doing...
Remember that?
It's a moment of silence
for those of you. I know the silence. Yo, yo. The whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole Crazy like these niggas again. Do you think it's a small jet man? Like I'm looking at a man who's getting the hundred three thousand streaming killed them this dream this dream and killed it
Is this dream it? I'm just a new technology. Yo, it's a
Listen, I was in a meeting with Doug Morris, right? It's crazy me sound like some noise
Explain that is Doug Morris. Explain who that is to whoever he is.
Doug Morris was like the controller of music.
The Universal Music Group.
So he was the head boss, the boss of all bosses.
He was the nigga who appointed bosses.
Over Jimmy's, right?
Over Jimmy.
He was Jimmy's boss.
Right.
You understand?
So this guy, I used to meet with him every week.
We used to have lunch and talk the thing.
And I clearly, like he was like, when the CD was invented, the CD, he was like, that's what, this is, I'm explaining why we was getting all this money.
When the CD was invented, he said money was raining from the sky.
So he said, because not only, he only He said Irv Not only are they buying
These new albums
That they have to get
But he says
They need Michael Jackson's Thriller
They need it in this new format
So he said
The catalog shit
Like Michael Jackson's Thriller
Was doing like 20,000 a week
The Beastie Boys License to Ill
Was doing 10 to 15,000 a week Forever The Beastie Boys License to Ill was doing $10,000 to $15,000
a week forever.
So they basically was going gold
every year. They were selling
500,000 copies every
year, my nigga. And I was like,
when I used to look at the Beastie Boys shit,
people used to say, yo, when you go
to college, you have to have a License to Ill
album. They said, that's why it sells so
much. But the money was flowing so much, that's why i sell so much but the money
was flowing so much that's why they was giving niggas five million dollar advances like it was
fucking nothing like it was nothing here take five yeah you could have 50 50 joint ventures
you could own your masters you own half of them and then if we want the other 50 we'll buy it back
i'm feeling a certain way yeah this is This is a wonderful era, my dude.
I'm just saying, like, I know niggas is getting money now.
I know it.
Like, I'm not knocking y'all.
I'm not knocking whatever.
This is different.
First time my baby went around and drank champagne.
My nigga Musty.
We're not doing it out there.
My nigga Musty.
I see Musty in LA.
I said, damn.
And I see him at the point where every record, Musty on a V.
You know what I'm saying?
So I was high-fiving the nigga because I know what that feels like right you know I'm saying like nigga
I was on the radio. I had top ten on the hot 100
I had one four six seven like I'm like nigga. This is just crazy right so fucking I know what it is
So I was like yo nigga. I was curious I used to get a quarter million for one beat.
That's $250,000?
$250,000.
Talk that shit, Er.
He charged me $60,000.
That's a fact. Look, look, look.
That's love.
I live next door to John Rue, too.
I said, damn.
We're getting $250,000.
Listen, that's love.
I always miss it.
I just call it a thing.
That's love.
So listen, I said, Joe, I said, just curious how much you get in you getting it attract because you know I used to get a quarter
You ain't leave the dude telling I don't think I saw and then put your charge. He said yeah
I get like a quarter to okay, then I clarify
And this is no knock on mustard and actually I gave him a thing where I'm gonna give the yacht
What which may fuck the game up the game up?
He said I said I just clarify said I'm told my fuck the game up. Fuck the game up. That's what you're here to do. Fuck the game up. Fuck the game up, So, he said,
I said,
I just clarified,
I said,
I'm talking about 250,000.
He was talking about 25,000.
Oh.
So,
I was like,
nah,
nigga,
I was getting 250.
He was,
word.
Right?
So,
I said,
yo,
nigga,
you making all this careers.
Just that mustard on the beat
with your magic,
you,
that,
you gotta charge more.
And he was like, it's not in the budget.
I said, yo, this is like the max
that I can get. Which is facts. It's not in the
budget. Right. He said, it's not in the budget.
I said, man, you need to think
of something. You need to tell these
niggas you're getting 20% of their show money.
Get a royalty. You're getting 20%
of their show money until you get $100,000.
So you give me that 25
And that other 75
You gonna ship me 20%
Of your show money
Until I get my
Back end money
Let's sign that deal
And you can get that
Mustard on the beat track
So I'm saying
There's different ways
That's why I'm like
Don't let me get hot
Cause I'm gonna implement that
You want my beat nigga
I want a quarter
You can give me 10,000 now
But I want another 240 nigga When you on show a quarter. You can give me $10,000 now, but I want another $240,000, nigga, when you on show.
Because, you know, you give a nigga a hot beat.
That's it.
Whoever made Cardi B shit, dude, they getting they publishing, and that's going to be good money and everything like that.
But goddamn, nigga, Cardi going to make like $2-3 million.
I'm quite sure Cardi charging $50 or better for her ass to come up there.
And the producer's a silent hero.
This is when I got shocked and I went to Ru.
I'm like, nigga, do you know what niggas is getting?
So what's the most expensive you ever charged for a beat?
A quarter.
A quarter?
You never went.
You never got crazy.
That was peak.
You never got crazy.
You just kept it at that.
I should have got crazier when I dated.
I should have got crazy when I dated.
I got a quarter.
I got a quarter.
You should have got 350. Listen, but we got a half. We got half aLo. I got a quarter. You should have got 350.
We got a half.
We got half a mil because Rue got a quarter too.
It was quarters giving us.
And that's not mentioning the publishing, FYI.
No, that's just.
That's not mentioning.
That's up front.
That's up front.
Give me me.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
What I should have did when I left some money on the motherfucking table is when after I did I'm Real, that shit was number one for like 18 or 20 weeks. That's Jennifer Lopez, right? Jennifer Lopez did I'm Real that shit was number one for like 18 or 20
weeks that's Jennifer Lopez Jennifer Lopez I'm Real when he came calling for
ain't it funny I should have said nigga we need a ticket nigga a ticket is a
million for a motherfucker I'm like we need a ticket nigga get it up nigga you know I learned this shit
from and again quite just honestly is it Bird Birdman? Jay-Z. Okay. Uh,
come back, baby,
you drive me crazy.
It was for the
Blue Streak soundtrack.
Yeah, I remember.
I remember that.
And I was with Jay.
My Sean does on the hook.
And I was with Hov.
Yeah.
He charged them niggas
like $750.
Yes, I remember.
And this was at a time
where he said,
I was like,
and he was like,
yo, nigga, $750.
And I'm doing it. And he said, and I ain't budging, nigga. $750. And I'm doing it.
He said, and I ain't budging, nigga.
And hung the phone up and looked at me and said.
Let's see what they do.
You know what I'm saying?
Let's see what they do.
To which I call that a heat check.
When you fucking hot, you can have heat check on niggas, yo.
When you scorching hot, nigga, I'm coming to a nigga's office.
Nigga, I got Crime Partners soundtrack,
a million dollars a ticket.
Right.
Because it was heat checked like a motherfucker.
Right.
Yeah, I went into Leo's office and said,
nigga, you giving Prem a million, nigga,
for this fucking sound.
This is God, this is a stick up.
You're sticking me up right now.
This isn't right.
I said, yeah, nigga.
I said, yeah, nigga, whatever.
I said, yeah, nigga, whatever. Get it out. No, no, no. Get it out. Battle of the year. I didn't know. I didn't know. now this is the rest again he kept a poker face cuz Leo he's a son of a bitch
he wants to give niggas nothing it's his job to give the illest niggas nothing. You understand? It's his job to give the illest niggas nothing in the world, which is fucked up.
Right?
But that's Leo.
But then make him something at the end.
Right.
But then he's going to think, you want to be with me, big boy?
I'll make you fucking hot.
Right?
So, boom.
He comes out.
So, Leo talking shit.
Leo talking shit.
So, boom.
This is the best shit.
So, Leo comes out the whole time.
This is Leo.
Niggas is throwing it.
I don't walk a stone.
He's running like a walker stone.
Leave it fell like punk.
Shredding down underground streets of New York.
I'm like, I'm looking at Leo because this is my first time.
I'm like, nigga, did you see this?
Right?
He's like, yo, stone face.
Soon as I'm like, fuck, man, he ain't feeling this shit.
He gotta feel this shit.
They all hip hop.
He white, but he a hip hop to the core.
So boom, he comes outside and once he got away from D and Y, he was like, we have to pick up the fucking literature.
Oh my fucking god.
We have to pick up the literature. We have to pick. the fucking litter! Oh my fucking god! We have to pick up the litter!
We have to pick-
Who went ape shit, right?
It is the hella shit!
Dame was in the fucking car.
It was me, Kev, Lior, and Dame
in Lior's green Suburban
that had an immaculate sound system.
Right? And Dame was
fucking hating!
I'm looking at Dame like, my nigga.
He's like, y'all like that?
Niggas don't want to hear that.
Niggas want to be like Jay.
This nigga's depressing.
This nigga's depressing.
You're like, this nigga was doing.
I'm like, Dame, you didn't have to fucking come, nigga.
This is my shit, nigga.
Get behind me, nigga.
You really like that?
And then I had to bust Dame open.
I'm like, look, nigga, look at here.
In Harlem, who is more of niggas like J or X?
There's only a handful of niggas that's selling 100 kilos, nigga.
Sorry, J.
100 kilos, nigga.
There's mad niggas like X that wants to rob them niggas who selling the hundred
I'm like nigga, I got rambunctious
I said nigga, X gonna have the streets nigga
He looked at me and got quiet
And I was like nigga what is you doing yo?
You could've stayed the fuck home!
I checked getting the car, nigga, you get in the car,
this nigga's talking about pick up the lecher.
But yo, but Lior, Lior to his credit,
he killed it.
Listen, Lior to his credit, he wasn't listening to that nigga.
Lior to his credit, he seen ex early.
And Lior's chest not checkers, nigga.
Anyone, he's a mind game. I'm going to tell
you, my opinion, he may disagree, but he played Rockefeller, Murder Ring, Rough Riders. He
played us like a fiddle because he used to come and he'll give me love. That'll ignite
X and J. He gives J, oh, you fucking fucking with them Leo We go on in the studio if you look at that time frame nigga
We was dropping bombs not regular albums all my shit was worldwide five to eight million
every year
competing with each other and your Leo's doing
Who's playing chess nigga Leo's a vicious, if you don't know, he a vicious motherfucker.
He's brilliant and he's a genius, but he is a calculating, vicious, vicious man.
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So last night, I walk in front of you,
and I see you.
You're just chilling right now.
You seem more relaxed in your life.
Oh, no, oh, no.
Nah, you're right.
You see, like, it was dope,
because, like, see, before I interview people,
because, like, I'm people's peers
So I like that like we like what we do is so you keep beat us here today
Yeah, I'm gonna cause I got I'm going so tell me what we usually do we usually have a whole playlist
Yeah, so we listen to everybody's catalog, but you came 15 minutes early. See I'm used to people. We used to be 15 minutes late. Nah, we used to be 15 minutes late. That's happening. 50 minutes late is early. Come on, give him a seat.
He already got one.
He already got one?
It's already set up?
Man, what a one.
You might as well go for it.
He fucked up, nigga.
Give him a shot of snot, goddamn it.
Give this nigga a shot.
Give him a seat and a fucking shot.
Because I'm pissy.
I'm fucking pissy.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago.
I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago. I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago. I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago. I was just with y'all like a few minutes ago. I was just with shot. Give him a seat in the fucking shop. Because I'm pissy.
I'm fucking pissy.
That was just with y'all like a few hours ago.
Yes, yes.
I just shot a video.
Now, breathe that.
Leave it down.
We can blow it up, right?
Because you all.
Yeah, of course, man.
We out here, man.
Gotta stay down.
Top of the mic.
What's the name of the record?
What's the name of the record, Walker?
This record right here is called Trap or Cabana, right?
Trap or Cabana.
Holy.
I did Hips Don't Lie, Emotion, Everything, we started going go, cut to a, cut to a, cut
to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to
a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, cut to a, holy. After I did Hips Don't Lie, the motion of everything started going, cut, cut, cut, cut,
cut, cut, cut, cut, right?
So I said, what happens if we take the salsa and put it against the trap and put it together?
So after I did the record, I was like, you know, I need that Nori, Gucci vibe.
You know what I mean? What would be the new Tango vibe, you know what I mean?
Nail, so that's gonna be the new wave,
Joppa Command.
Yo, that's right, that's right.
That's just right.
And you know, in order to come up with some shit like that,
you gotta be smoking some Haitian shit, brother.
Right, right, right.
Yo, Dilly, why clap?
The Haitian shit must be more potent.
Yo, do you remember what Murder Inc. deal of member with murder ink was that oh you've been with that height the niggas was charging a lot
Let me say I was a friend and they talk
Listen even for a shant have said a buck, nigga.
I think, yo, listen, even for Ashanti, BJ looking.
BJ know he got me.
I gave BJ 10 bands.
BJ a dirty nigga.
Always getting that.
Niggas knew my budget.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
You put the love back. No, that was first.
That was first.
That was first.
Get it right.
Get it right.
I'm going to relax.
I'm going to relax. No, but y'all is doing it. Relax. Y was first. That was first. That was first. Get it right. Get it right. I'm going to relax. I'm going to relax.
No, but y'all was doing it.
Relax.
Y'all got to relax.
Y'all was doing it.
Do you remember the full Jesus run?
Come on, nigga.
They sold, what, 20-something million, nigga.
Yo, but I'm going to tell you crazy.
I always want, listen.
Listen, listen, listen.
No, but listen.
No, but listen.
Listen.
All right.
I always wanted that diamond
And we got to like
Seven, eight
You know, Hove with
Hard Not Life
He got to like eight
Probably at nine now
I was always jealous
Of y'all motherfuckers, man
Cause the diamond was like
M
Motherfucking
MC Hammer
So like 22.
I love Hammer.
I know niggas be hating on Hammer.
Hammer, no.
Hammer probably.
Hammer and Vanilla Ice.
We need Hammer on Drink Champs.
Listen, listen.
Hammer.
Yes.
Hammer and Vanilla Ice was probably the first hip hop album that a lot of white people bought.
And then they wanted to see what really was going on.
Yeah.
So for that
nigga they brought they helped hip-hop they helped the culture but you mother
I used to be like yo these niggas is selling so many what did what did the
score sell like 20-something million yeah it's like 24 now. Yeah, it's at 24. Let's make some noise. Let's make some fucking noise.
Let's make some fucking noise, dog.
Do you realize what that is?
Yeah.
That's fucking Kyo.
And like for me, who've done big things,
I always wanted that diamond, nigga.
Because that's on one album, you said.
Always wanted that diamond, nigga.
Once we saw Gone Platinum trust me we was
chasing to collectively pain is love I said we could get the diamond we had fucking
Unreal we had fucking Always On Fucking Time we had fucking uh Dune dude Stevie shit I
thought it was a perfect fucking blend of hip-hop and shit that could play top
40 and all the fucking
rhythm urban I said we're gonna get it we're gonna get it worldwide we topped out at
like seven and a half eight we could never get that fucking diamond but
collectively how much murder ain't like 35 is probably at 40 now. Yeah, but there's niggas with bigger numbers.
It's a decent number.
Don't get me wrong.
But this nigga did what I did
on one fucking joint, nigga.
That's why.
I had to give it up.
Like, nigga,
you should've did 24 million, yo.
But check this out, man.
So listen, right?
So, you know, when you're a producer right
you're like okay now i want to become a producer executive right so that was my next mission
right after like producing that was my invite me to a showcase and they're like yo they got
them wild mind and my column you're a murder ain't them wild wicked. They're gonna call them, you know, murdering them. Wild, wicked, serious ones. Wicked, wild.
Y'all can go check them.
Yo, I remember Yoni.
And, yo, that's what I tell you, dog.
I'm in the audience.
And I'm like, I have to make the next move.
I gotta see what this guy's doing next.
And you was introducing the new Ashanti album.
Yeah.
And the minute you came out, I'm from Haiti.
And you had that smile on your face when she was performing.
And I'm looking at you, and you got that.
He was in love from the beginning.
Let's get real.
He was in love from the beginning.
Thank you, Wyclef, for bringing that up.
I wasn't going to go there.
It's a good transition.
It's a very good transition.
Remember, you want to bring my transition, he got a fucking transition too, brother.
We are transitional people here.
A lot of transitioning over here.
I'm going to be honest, though, and I don't like talking down, and even though I'm not talking down and speaking the truth, because Ashanti never talks about it, so I don't like talking down, even though I'm not talking down, I'm speaking the truth.
Because Ashanti never talks about it, so I don't like talking about it.
But what I will say, the thing is, is what me and her had, it was nothing that I've ever experienced before because I was getting money with her.
Like, that first album.
But you was in your feelings a little bit.
I was in my feelings.
You didn't clear the record. She did a record for me. And I didn your feelings a little bit. I was in my feelings like it was... You didn't clear that record. Like when I was...
She did a record for me.
And I didn't clear it?
Yeah.
And you know what L.A. Reid told me?
I didn't clear it?
I don't think so, my brother.
I don't think so.
I'ma keep it on me.
You fine.
You fine.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
I'm just gonna throw that in there.
I swear to God.
If I did that, I'm sorry.
And you know what L.A. Reid told me?
L.A. Reid said, while L.A. Reid was there, I didn't clear it?
Yeah. Then it wasn't me, my nigga. me? L.A. Reid said. While L.A. Reid was there, I didn't clear it? Yeah.
Then it wasn't me, my nigga.
Oh, dang.
He has a good skin.
It might not be L.A. Reid, because you were there.
No.
BJ got the check.
That's true.
My nigga.
Then it wasn't me, my nigga.
No, no, no.
BJ got the check.
The L.A. Reid regime.
No, so I'm not.
By that time.
It might be Kevin.
I got to clear.
No, I don't care about no one.
No, I got to clear my name, nigga.
Okay.
At that time, they was running their own shit.
Yeah, you're pretty right.
You're right.
When L.A. Reid was at Def Jam, what album was she on?
It wasn't one, two, or three.
It was the third.
By the time we got to the third album, she was running the shit.
They was like, yo, because, you know, it was like the Nelly time.
And they were like, you know, he don't want to want any South.
He could have been talking some shit, dog.
He could have been talking some shit. Nah, it ain't Nelly. Nelly could have said, yo. Nah. They said it was her. And they were like, you know
If it was the first two albums and I was vetoed it was me because I made a mistake a mistake and I vetoed. You're talking about her first two albums, right?
Listen, her first two albums.
Fabulous record with Tamia.
The original record is with Ashanti.
And I made a mistake
and it was at the time she was on a lot of shit
and I vetoed my man's shit and I said
she can't do the video. He got Tamia on it
and that record is a huge record. It still gets played
to this day. Excuse me, I'd like to
question Ocean. As a Haitian lawyer. and that record is a huge record still gets played to this day yeah excuse me i like to question
a haitian lawyer before he was deterred by uh nori and he took you upon the ashanti space yes
no don't play that on me you're going to have to bring that up yeah was the ashanti i said the look in your eyes and then he bought it
somewhere where I was gonna bring it to I knew I had something to do with it
where I was gonna bring it to was I knew that I had to figure out my next move
after the Fugees and after I saw what you were doing with the Ashanti
you say you're gonna smoke I don't think you're going to. Hold up! Get the cameras! Revolt! Focus!
No one's ever seen Irv Gotti smoke a bottle in their life!
Oh my God!
You killed Irv Gotti!
No, no, you killed Irv Gotti!
You know what I mean?
Rule says when I cough, it's better.
No, you didn't.
I've never seen Irv Gotti smoke.
I've seen him take a lot of ecstasy,
just never seen him smoke.
Let Clef finish his thought, man.
I'm so sorry.
I had to wait for the perfect moment.
He said he was going to smoke.
It was that moment.
I don't lie, y'all.
Alright, Clef.
I'm not a liar.
I'm so sorry, Clef.
You know, as a person,
I love to smoke when niggas don't smoke,
but I had to wait for the perfect moment.
It was it.
I clearly seen the alley-oops.
Yo, Miami, motherfucking Ain't No Nigga video,
Big Head Ho smoking, was laughing like a motherfucker.
He just kept telling me, I got you.
And Jay was like fucking Chris Tucker and Friday,
like, pookie to see who was mad.
He was like a big one. I think it's going to happen. Friday like
For nothing is probably like that good the fuck you got me smoking?
He thought niggas laced it.
All that shit, yo.
Finish this shit, yo.
Because I want to hear what the fuck he's saying with me.
Because I'm going to regurgitate and give him some shit.
That's a big word.
Let's make some noise for regurgitate.
Regurgitate!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
I definitely don't know what that means.
To throw it back the fuck up
oh yeah
everybody be quiet because this has got to be
ill let's go walk
so what I was saying was
when I came in there
and I saw what you did
it made me know that
past the Fugees now
I had to become not just a producer
but an exec that
reproduced talent and that was part of how City High was created.
That's what you did for me.
City High was so gangster.
So gangster. And can I just say for the record, City High, if y'all don't know,
it had a superstar in that group. Claudette was a fucking superstar.
So much, I had her on a record with Ja but she was I think she was first with one of the guys and then she was with the other guy
Wait they gave me that I don't wanna go there
No no this is facts this isn't like she has babies by this guy
Yeah she does
Yeah but she
Babies by Wyclef?
Like with the City High with you
No not Wyclef No not Wyclef Wait what are we talking about She's fucking Drunk facts Yeah, but she babies like the city high
Wait drunk facts
What are we talking about exactly which all my city high she has kids about one of the guys in city
I believe she was with one and then she got with the other right? Oh, man. She was on a record with us. I thought she was like the hottest, sexiest.
She could sing.
You knew you had one.
Yeah, but you inspired that.
I'm just saying.
You know what?
It's a positive side to this, man.
It's a positive side.
He said, yeah, just get it.
You're inspired.
There's no representation happening right now.
I'm still, to this day, I talk about her with things.
Because she did a let's get this started with rule.
And she was just dope.
And she was like a mad, cool chick.
And I was like, so all the females out here, this is a message to the females.
If you're on the road to success
You gotta relax
Relax
They gotta relax
You can have children whenever you want
Let's get the money
Let's get that superstar
Don't have children?
Wait
Yeah wait man
Like she was
She was supposed to be
Like up there nigga
Who we talking about?
She's
Call that Ortiz, nigga.
She was like on the,
and then she was on the cover of Smooth or whatever,
and niggas was drooling like this.
She was, and she was authentically,
she came to the studio after she had the kids,
and I was like, wow.
Like she was a wow superstar artist that disappeared after having a hit record with this guy
we're fucking having the city I should like me what's on the you rock yeah
that's what he said it was inspired by her see his we didn't get your executive
on you supposed to go in there said nigga put your dick in your motherfucking
pants you're fucking up the business, nigga. Which you may have tried to do. We need a tiger bite in this situation.
His face is like, nigga, you don't think I had that, cowboy, nigga?
This nigga was like, I'm securing the win.
I'm securing the win.
I'm locked in forever.
Spade it.
You're not spading the win for me.
You're not spading it. Spade it. I
Be one like when I'm around I wanted a shot to you to be the biggest bitch ever
No, I'm saying I'll be one. Yo. Be the biggest. I want to see it.
Even if you don't stay with me. And that's just me being, listen, that's just...
He said that in there.
I respect that, man.
Listen, you will get fucking
Angelina, Brad Pitt.
That happens.
You know, the chicks is groupies.
They the hottest chick on the planet.
Here comes motherfucking Derek Jeter or something
They get like it happens. They winning is there all good
You're wrong I was like, what is that? What is that?
Real jump.
It's the real champagne, nigga.
I just came for a second, right?
I heard you was going to be there.
I had to give you my salute.
Cheers, man.
All of that, 100%.
I definitely wanted you to know that.
You know what I mean?
But that white boy interpretation,
that's not me, nigga.
I don't be fucking going like this, nigga.
I don't fucking that shit.
I don't be fucking going like this, nigga. I don't fucking that shit.
I'm like this.
I love you, too.
I'm going to go with the crowd. I was talking about the other guy.
You know I'm fucking with you.
I love you.
Yeah.
And if anyone can sell another 20 million albums,
I would put my money on you.
Yo, we just shot it.
The new generation, get with that streaming though, right?
Yeah.
Get with that streaming.
That streaming is just like where the kids are moving to.
So we, as the older folks, make sure we keep up with that culture.
I love you, my boy.
Yo.
Clap.
Clap.
Make some noise for Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap.
Clap. Clap. Clap. This is what you're drinking. Get some more of that weed, nigga. Oh, for real? But
This would be some water we
Let me tell you so this one I knew murder Inc was the wildest crew on the planet like let me tell you something one day Too I'm gonna say names like names like I usually kept saying that cuz they just know who it is
we're on the road and then damn I could do it without saying names I don't say
names I could do so make this is kicking how it be. We on the road.
We're on the road.
Niggas like, yo, we did it one time.
And I said, y'all did?
What?
Niggas said, we do the E in the blood.
Oh.
But look, these niggas wasn't proud of it.
This is why I can't say they name.
That's like a dirty Miami.
Yeah. They said, I said, word? Because I can't say they names. That's like a dirty in Miami. Yeah, they said, I said word?
Because I ain't think nothing.
You think everything to do with it.
I just never thought of smoking.
So you think it's sad.
Yeah, we figured we was old.
So you was already smoking the dirty?
No, no, no. This is my niggas.
I ain't telling you.
Let's try Laces.
My niggas from the buses try. My niggas from the buses.
I was already.
It was over.
We put it together.
They all think that's why I can't see this.
This is like personal.
I was like me.
They looked at me and said, oh, we all
felt guilty.
Just to do it that way.
I gave them a smile.
And niggas was like, oh.
And we all felt guilty.
Nah, but let me tell y'all something.
Oh my God. Murder
ain't days. Oh God.
You guys brought fun back to hip hop.
You guys.
Yeah. Yo, Mr. You guys brung fun back to hip-hop. You guys... Yeah.
Yo, Mr. Lee, hold it down. You guys brung fun back to hip-hop. How did that feel?
You don't want your own whole blunt, right?
Yeah, sure.
I think he's ready to smoke whatever you give him right now.
Right now, at this point, it's like
fuck it. You know what I'm saying? Fuck it.
So,
we was having a blast.
And what was so good is, man, we was with the people.
You know what I'm saying?
So, just when the backlash happened, it did.
It hurt me.
Because I'm a people person.
Right.
You see how I'm coming in?
You know what I'm coming in? Right.
You know what I'm saying?
That's where we are.
Your fans knew that.
Let me tell you something.
Your fans requested
you be on here.
Like, you was one of like,
keep it real.
Early on, early on.
I'm talking about
immediately.
I'm talking about
immediately.
You gotta get early on.
Episode one.
I keep it real.
Right.
I keep it real.
But it's not only that.
It's that
Your CEO
That CEO type of style
Like
Don't you
You got some new artists too right
And that CEO type of style
Let me tell you
Let me tell you
It hurt because
Man Murder Ring
We gave so much love
To the people
When you look at I Cry
We was in Cherry Hill
And Baltimore yo
Right
We was going to the fucking hood.
LA, nigga, we had swap meets.
We had motherfucking, we didn't, nigga, we in the hood.
Right.
Gang bangs, everything like that, just giving love and things, just on some cool shit.
Not on no tough shit or anything like that, just on cool shit, nigga.
Right.
It's just that we didn't really have no fear.
Like, I'm a person, I don't really, I don't fear.
So we'd go to the hoods.
We'd touch the town.
We used to touch the town.
You know what I'm saying?
Fuck with the hood rats, nigga.
Like, yeah, come on.
Come on.
Let me show you something.
So what happened when these guys was brought to side?
Nah.
What was that?
And I was in the midst of the turmoil, too.
Yeah, because, what's that?
He was in the midst of the turmoil with him and Jay, too.
That was before or after Super Ugly?
I forget.
It was after.
Okay, you ain't got to smoke.
Relax.
Yo, yo, relax.
You know, when you say that, I want to show up.
Listen, a big shout out to my nigga BJ. I remember, it makes me think of Spank G. You know, Sp, relax. You know when you say that I want to show up. It's in a big shout out. So my nigga BJ
I remember it makes me think of spank G
You know spank G nigga
Spank
You don't know spank G?
Spank G 40 projects is a rap legend from the fucking south side. Nigga was grandmaster Vic and spank G
It used to be like yo, yo, just relax
What?
Ay yo, just relax
I need to bring him on, I need to bring them on. We gotta bring them on.
Nigga, bring Spank and Vic on, nigga.
Oh, yeah.
Queens niggas will go insane.
Vic, I love you, nigga.
Yeah, I love Vic, too.
No one does.
I love Vic, too.
Like, nigga, when I do the Supreme Team movie or the Murder Ring TV series, nigga, I want
Vic to go, you know?
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go.
I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go. I want Vic to go to jail. Yo, I finished the food.
I finished the food.
Shout out Chef Teach.
No, you finished the whole thing.
We got the whole, another whole thing.
I finished some mac.
You know what I mean?
You don't know what Puff Daddy, Puff Daddy came here.
What, the Jeffrey?
Hey, my brother, you got to relax.
Jeffrey, we never doing that again.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
You know what Jermaine Dupri went in?
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
We just got him.
Puff is serious.
Right. My brother, I love puff. Yeah
He can do drugs Shit is real Yeah, I don't know if you would have Jeffrey one time
Shit is real that Jerry shit is real so it's already out there. I don't fucking nigga. I smoke with pump I was like this movie me and my bitch was seeing things nigga. We were seeing things And I swear to Moses, you want to take a cigarette and hit us with Jeffrey?
It's all good, Bob.
You can hit me with the Jeffrey.
It's all good.
We didn't finish the Nas thing.
You were saying we should talk about the Nas thing.
Yeah, because that was an interesting... All right, let me just tell you something.
It was an interesting period in that time moment because I remember...
Let's just shot glass.
Okay, that's okay. We'll get another shot glass. It's already... You're I remember the shot glass please let me drink that
keep keep watching watch that watch that out somebody for the record I love knives
and I love I love jungle even more. You know, that's my brother
John was everyone loves John. Oh, you know, you know, how could you not love jungle?
so
Damn, I wish you ain't send me that. Come on. You niggas got us
What's the nice question? There we go. It's just a time because I don't like that time
Why I should have never fucked with Nas Because it was an interesting time Because I don't like that time Why?
I should have never fucked with Nas Not because he is in my brother
Because Jay
I've known Jay
What people don't realize
I'm going to be real
What people don't realize
I've known Jay since 1987
Yeah
I went to London with him and Jazz
When I was 17 years old
Jazz older people
It's 2017
Me and Jay-Z is 30 years in
Fuck the music
Fuck the money
Like I love Jay
That's my brother
I made Super Ugly
Right
Nas dropped Ether
Everyone was Ethered out
You know Rockefeller Rockefeller Murder Ring Was right next to each other Right. Nas dropped Ether. Everyone was Ethered out.
You know, Rockefeller and Murder Ring was right next to each other.
Right.
Jay was in my office a lot.
But what if, let's just say, like, what's that shit called?
Hypothetically speaking.
Okay, let's go in the hypothetical. Let's go.
Hypothetically speaking.
Let's go in the hypothetical world.
Hypothetically. Another dimension. Okay, let's let's go in the high school Let's go in the hypothetical world hypothetically
Another nation Nas would have went full through would it?
It would have been fuck was it close because the the news was doing
Immortal because how like like how it would have been a more or was it gonna happen? Was it close to happen? Let me tell you why I was, yes. Fuck yeah, nigga. You didn't hear that, nigga? Yeah.
In the pledge?
Yeah.
He said, first it was me, now it's nigga.
It's murder, nigga.
He said that, not me.
I'm not a fucking ventriloquist.
If I was, I would have been spitting more nonsense.
Murder, murder, murder, nigga.
But understand, just think about it for one second.
The reason why I zoned and my ambition took over me when it shouldn't have
because I should have thought of my brother Jay.
So for the record, I'm a fool for doing this.
This is one of the biggest regrets of my life.
Oh, because of that moment.
Jay is my brother.
I made super ugly, nigga.
I was in the studio when I said,
Jay, say my name, nigga,
because that nigga said my name in ether.
Let him know where it's going to come from
if it comes, nigga.
Right.
But then how did that energy shift?
Yeah.
Steve Stout.
Steve Stout's behind a lot of shit.
Devil's Advocates.
Right, the commission.
Good word, devil.
No, no, let me stop.
I said Devil's Advocates.
Let me stop.
We don't edit over here.
Hey, hey, hey.
We definitely don't edit.
Don't edit.
But Steve is like one of my best friends.
We talk all the time.
But he's a puppet master.
And he puppet mastered that.
Because he called me and he said,
Joe, Nas wants to fuck with you
Thinking about coming
To murder ring
What you think about that
Let's just say
Hypothetically
Because we never
If he would have fully done
It would have been huge
And let me explain
Exactly why
Right
Because Nas embodies
What Ja Rule did not embody
So it would've been
Balance
To murder him
Let me explain
Ja Rule
Was the
Yeah
He makes the female
The big records
And everything like that
So we didn't have
The foundation
With niggas
That's what made
The opposition
To come in
And
And fucking
Damage us Because we had no foundation with niggas
from the street because we was every little thing that we do.
Listen, as a person who made my whole career on the street, it's not really that good.
Don't worry about it.
Don't say that, Nori.
No, no, no, no.
My whole career.
Listen, I listen to you.
Don't say that, Nori.
You ever been to a Capone or Noriega show in the early?
Snig it out.
It's a sausage boy. Not one bitch did. Not one bitch did that motherfucker. But you're still here, bro. That's right. I listen don't say that Nori you ever do a couple of no being a show in the early sneak it out is
This is not one's boss did not want to
That's right we go you still here
Foundation is real right so what I'm saying is with the combination speaking hypothetically
What made my emotions flow.
Right.
Because Nas embodied the exact opposite of what Rule embodied.
Right.
Niggas in the streets worship that nigga.
Oh, and he going to say it's murder?
Right.
And we going to combine that too?
That, my friend, is the best of both worlds. worlds so now it would have been an onslaught it would have been an onslaught of records both of the street because
if you listen to rules records we got street records it's just that niggas didn't embrace
those because they wasn't the singles right i went with fucking the big records that was working
do i do stevie i'm thinking top 40 that's all you know i'm saying i'm thinking multi-format I went with fucking the big records. The shit that was working. Do I do Stevie.
I'm thinking Top 40.
That's all.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm thinking multi-format.
I'm like, this is going to play urban.
It's going to play rhythm.
And it's going to play Top 40, which
produces number one records.
Niggas used to fucking come to me and say, Gotti, Gotti,
my record number three.
I said, yeah, nigga, on the R&B charts.
Get the fuck away from me, nigga.
I don't even look at those charts.
I don't look at those charts.
I haven't seen the R&B or the hip-hop charts in fucking ages, nigga.
Let's pull up the Hot 100.
You see fucking 20, damn near 10 records.
That's where I play.
That's where that money's at, nigga.
We going to get that money, nigga. We going to get that money. Because, you know, when you play in that, it teaches you the audience.
So it'll be like, this week your record got a hundred million in audience.
So it's a game. It's a number game.
If a hundred million niggas heard my shit, there's more chances that I'ma sell more than you, motherfucker.
Alright.
I'm talking too much. BJ, you gotta be my nigga script advisor.
You ever see Richard Pryor?
His nigga Nori got me drunk and high.
Listen, so fucking...
You volunteered to high bar.
You were in it.
You were in it.
I'm all good.
I came here to do this just to bless it.
But listen, you ever see Richard Pryor?
I went to fucking...
So on Showtime, it's called a thing.
He had a like... Well, anyway, he had like an NBC show that was like Dave Chappelle.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Which I bugged out.
Which I bugged out because I said, damn, everything is Dave.
The Chappelle show is like the Richard Pryor show.
But he walked away from it because he didn't let him do what he wanted to do.
Yes.
Right.
What was it called?
No, that wasn't the thing.
He had a sketch show.
Yeah, a sketch show.
Like the Chappelle show.
Yeah, but they didn't want him to do it and he had to leave.
And he had a nigga there that was his nigga script supervisor.
So he said when they would go through jokes, he would look at his nigga script supervisor,
and his nigga script supervisor would go,
or,
and give him yes or no.
So it's like, I'll run my mouth.
Everyone knows I'll say some shit that's truthful, but that I shouldn't have said.
So BJ is like my niggas
Script advisor so when I'm talking I'm looking at him and he'll just be like
BJ
Come over here
Let me tell you something
Happened in big moment in this nigga big man shit Forrest Gump. Let me tell you something. Everything that ever happened in Big Moment and Hip Hop,
this nigga been there and shit.
Let me tell you something.
When it comes to Queens and it comes to South Jamaica,
I used to see this nigga.
There used to be a turkey burger spot.
And this was dangerous to go there.
The Muslim spot.
Wait, wait, wait.
The Muslim spot.
Steak and tape.
Steak and tape, Lyndon?
It was the old version of Willie Burgers at one point in my mind.
Maybe I'm bugging.
Nigga, we was in steak and take every day.
Nigga, uptown style, motherfucker.
Chop that shit up, nigga.
We would be in there every day
heavy, heavy.
Eating that shit up.
Man, that was like
Supreme. You talking about steak and take? That was like that was like so you don't want second take that was like supreme
Yeah, like that was the spot
It was great food. It was great food. So you yeah, it was you can get shot the fucking
It was like
Everyone see
He came over we
What did money G say?
They came for the bass.
They came for the weed.
Oh my God.
Money G.
Money G is fucking Money G.
They came back for the bass.
Yo, let me tell you something.
I'm fucked up, everyone.
I'm fucked up. So am I. Beautiful. I'm fucked up. Everyone, I'm fucked up. So what?
That's beautiful.
I'm fucked up.
That's genuine.
That's genuine, man.
That's genuine.
I'm genuinely fucked up.
I'm genuinely fucked up.
This is why I love drink chats, because you know what it is?
You're smart.
Artists, but listen.
No, let me get you.
You're fucked up and then they go and give you a real interview.
No, that's not.
No, got it.
You know who else is smart?
That guy Craig who does the karaoke shit.
Because he had, remember, he had jail.
No, listen.
I know this is my guy.
He had niggas in there and they're singing karaoke.
Then he says, yo, who's that? Was that just such and such a text you?
Yeah.
Yeah! And they'd go, never would they have done that on the couch.
But since they're like singing songs and they're like, hey, hey, they'll say some detrimental shit.
So then we said, yo, niggas like 40s and blondes, right?
So boom, get niggas 40s in blunts.
And then what's going to happen?
Yeah, I fucked her.
I fucked her.
Yeah, I fucked her.
Doggy style, nigga.
Doggy style.
Fuck it.
Like my man going to say, wheelbarrow.
You hold the bitch on, wheelbarrow style, nigga.
Call you.
Call you.
I just put you niggas on, wheelbarrow.
You hold on, bang the bitch out.
You would never get that unless I was fucked up.
You would never in the world get that.
But I was fucked up.
You know what I'm realizing in drink champs?
What?
That it's always the CEOs.
Never mind this shit. It's the CEOs. DJ Stan. The CEOs go in the most like I'm just saying what think about it
it's always smoke you don't smoke you don't smoke Yes, smoke your so listen, what's the best era hip-hop?
without film
What one year tomorrow money?
You know I can't really I can't really say we was getting the most money off it
For the culture we I think you take away the money. Take away the money. Just use it. Come on. Stop. Stop.
No, no, no.
For the culture.
We're not talking about culture.
It's us.
It's us.
It's us.
But what year is that?
It could be.
What do you want to base it on?
A 10-year period?
A 10-year period?
Yeah, my.
10-year.
Decade.
You can do that.
It doesn't have to be within the decade.
It could be 85 to 95, you know, decade-wise.
Yeah.
It could be a run.
It could be a run
when did Nas album drop?
I think 94 I believe
94 or 95
you ain't got your googles?
come on get your googles man
I believe it's 94
94?
94 or 2004
Vovoke we gonna put the album on there
Nas changed shit yo Nas changed shit straight out the fucking dungeons of rap 2004. Revolt, we're going to put the album on the line. Nice change shit, yo. Yeah.
Nice change shit.
Straight out the fucking Dungeons of Rap.
Nigga,
that album to this day,
you put it in,
it's like,
oh shit.
But you're going to take away
from straight out of
Compton changing shit?
No, I'm not changing.
I'm just saying,
that adds to that
to that decade.
I'm going to take credit
for being in my hood.
I was the first nigga
to play fucking NWA
and put niggas
onto that shit.
And I thought them niggas
was the rawest niggas.
They like,
Gotti, what you playing?
I'm like, nigga, NWA,
these niggas raw.
I just think that was monumental
that you add to that.
Yeah, but they came like
91, 92, right?
No, 89, I believe.
All right, so I would
give them an honorable mention
and include them
because they changed shit.
Right.
They changed shit, but Nas, if you wouldn't think, but Nas would not, especially a Queens nigga, them an honorable mention include them because they change shit right they change shit but not
if you wouldn't think but nas when that especially a queen's nigga yeah no i know what i mean like
but that's why we say decade like we give it a decade because a lot that goes on in a decade
like i got favorite runs like i got i got like as a fan i love the Death Row era run. Death Row is... I love that run. That's 93.
As a fan... I think 93, 94.
93, I think, as well.
As a fan, I love the murdering run.
That's 93.
I love the murdering run.
I love the murdering run.
I love that Ilman.
Yo, what about Ruthless?
Are Googles the same?
No, man.
Ruthless.
You talking the 80s.
Ruthless, of course.
Well, that's NWA.
That's what we talking about.
Z-B-A-D-E-T-O-M-E.
All right, to me... No, you let me tell me, to me, to me, I hip hop.
Let me tell you how young I am.
I'm 40 years old right now.
Let me not act like I'm on.
I'm 47.
I'm 40, right?
42.
Just to tell you.
When I first heard straight out of the car. What's your age?
My girl, 21.
On you.
On you.
Respect you.
On you. I don't know if it's the right thing or the wrong thing, but it feels good.
If it feels right, just go in.
Hey, man.
Just go in, buddy.
Hey, man.
What was he saying?
What was he saying?
I forgot, man.
You talk about the era.
The era.
Like, sometimes when a young dude says, yo, you know, they don't look up to this.
It's just like, I never really seen Ali fight.
I never seen Ali fight live.
Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali.
Yeah, but you respect him.
I respect him.
I wouldn't watch the fight.
But why do you respect him?
Because people were telling you.
Yes.
People you respected were hating.
I've seen it.
But also people you respected, the OGs, were handing down the stories.
That's what I think happened in hip-hop as well.
But at the end of the day, I say, so I believe Muhammad Ali.
He's probably the greatest of all time.
But if I pick Floyd Mayweather and I say Floyd is the greatest of all time,
it's because I seat every single fight of Floyd's.
I watch Muhammad Ali's shit on repeat.
But I don't think that's the only reason, bro.
No, I'm just saying.
That's what I'm saying.
Listen, Floyd ain't fucking Ali, nigga.
Don't even.
No, no, no, no.
Because Ali is the GOAT.
No, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying.
But Ali is the GO. No, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. So that's why I went up with nigga. The point I'm trying to make is
for what everything that that man did
and what he embodied, that nigga is the
goat. The point I'm trying to make is
these new kids, they'll say
fucking, they'll say Soulja Boy is the greatest
of all time or they'll say, you know what I mean?
Uh, uh,
who's, who's, like, A$AP Rocky or
they'll say, there's somebody that's, you know, relatively
new and they'll be like
they're the greatest
all the time
the reason why
they're saying that
is because
they're seeing them
perform in real time
as opposed to saying
Biggie or
Ho
you'll never get to see
Ho
you'll get to see him
what I believe is that
that we stopped having
OG's in the culture
this is what I believe
and then when
when you stop having
OG's there starts to become a breakdown and who's telling you what is dope or what is in the culture. This is what I believe. Talk that shit, E. And then when you stop having OGs,
there starts to become a breakdown
and who's telling you what is dope
or what is the way you should operate.
And then when that breakdown starts happening,
then the young people have to put it together
for themselves.
Talk that shit, E.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
We was doing the same shit
when we was their age
and we was the new niggas
You know what I'm saying? like
They a little bit more disrespectful though. They are
I'll give them that
Right
Oh the new generation
Yeah the new generation a little bit more
Two degree, two degree, two degree
When I hear them talk about Big or Pop or Nas or whatever and downplay them
It's like they're being disrespectful
And that's not cool.
But we was kind of like that too.
We wasn't.
Was you really respecting like Grandmaster Flash?
But you wouldn't diss him.
But you wouldn't diss him.
That's the difference.
That's the difference.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
That is the difference.
We would never disrespect him.
We didn't understand what they was doing.
But trust me,
the way they dredged the feathers.
We was arrogant and saying, but we knew that was the OGs. But way they we was arrogant we was arrogant and saying but we knew
that was the ogs but we thought the pioneers no i know for a fact at least me and my niggas when we
we thought we was illa we did we thought but you're in out of disrespect and that makes a world of
difference and that makes a world of difference yeah we would never do that where they're voicing
a little disrespect to legendary people from
our generation. That you, they're
immortal. Pac is immortal.
But that's the reason why
I use that example.
Because they do actually
big up certain people. It's totally
crazy to me. Yeah, but they big up like Kanye.
No, Pharrell. Pharrell.
Pharrell is the leader.
He is the messiah of that new generation. But it makes sense. Because Pharrell. Pharrell. Pharrell. Look, Pharrell is the leader. He is the leader. He is the messiah of that new generation.
But it makes sense.
Yeah.
Because Pharrell.
That's what.
Listen, they love Kanye too.
No.
Listen, they.
But I mean, you know, I see.
They like Kanye too.
No, Kanye is definitely.
Because these guys, Pharrell and Kanye.
Right.
Was different than us.
They wasn't thugged out.
No.
No, skateboard P.
You know what I'm saying
So Pharrell was like
In the generational thing
It was so important
To be truthful
And honest
And from the hood
Pharrell came
And was like
I'm me
And we loved him
So that had
A big influence
On this whole
Fucking culture
You know what his first words
The new culture
Pharrell said to me
And they quoted me
Bloody money verse
I was like Oh Pharrell Is hip me, and they quoted me Bloody Money verse.
I was like... Oh, Pharrell's hip-hop to the core.
And then the nigga said...
Absolutely.
But I'm not a thug.
Right.
I got no...
No, no, no.
He didn't say that.
He said,
I got no thug bone in my body.
Right.
And I respected him.
That's our generation.
I respected that.
Our generation respects people
for who they are.
Yep.
Just don't front.
You know what I'm saying?
So if you a fucking like a nerd nigga or whatever, cool.
Just be you, nigga.
What we don't like is the front and the faking, nigga.
Don't come around here.
Pharrell came around here toting guns and he was like, nigga, give me the gun, nigga.
Stop.
Stop that bullshit, nigga.
And then you'd hand him A skateboard or whatever Like that
And say hey nigga
You know what I'm saying
It's all good
Our generation was
Some of the most
Intellectual
And smart
People think
But we
Like you a smart nigga
Nori
Ever since
This nigga
Was plotting
Strategizing
Ever since he
Was in fucking
Seeing
You know what I'm saying
Like he was thinking
Nori I gotta got to separate myself,
get rid of this comparison.
I got to be me.
And this is how I could flourish.
He's been a thinker from day one
disguised in the fucking camouflage.
So it doesn't,
when Drink Champs came out
and it fucking exploded,
I wasn't shocked
because he's a guy that I know,
yo, that's that guy.
Look, Wyclef, who was just sitting here.
Wyclef, I'm not bullshitting.
This nigga made an album that sold 24 million.
Yeah, that's crazy.
This nigga's ill and he's worldly.
He makes music for the world.
I don't think Wyclef goes in and makes music for fucking a certain section.
He's like, oh, they're going to love this in Zimbabwe.
They're going to love this in fucking Germany, in that little hole in the wall club, because he's been there.
You see what I'm saying?
So someone to make and serve the world again, I'll bet on him.
And if he doesn't, I'll be like, I'm not really that shocked.
When I seen Dream Champs and watched the shit explode, I didn't know I should congratulate.
But I wasn't really like,
oh shit!
Nah, this nigga's been a brain
from the door.
I know the brains. I can see
people. You know, me and JD,
you said you had JD. Me and JD be having the
most interesting conversations.
And JD is, you know,
he's an interesting guy. A genius.
When JD smashed, when JD, when JD, he's an interesting guy. He's an interesting guy. A genius. Yeah. When JD smashed.
When JD.
Let's make some noise.
That's Penny.
That's Penny, man.
We got under the same roof.
I gave him a high five.
I said, dude, you hit Penny.
That's all.
That's all.
That's all.
You know, I just show my age.
I just show my age.
Because if you call Janet Penny, you know where you from.
You're in the know Him at some point
Yeah, pity pity. Yeah, but motherfucking like with Jamie we have conversations and you know
We talk about some we talk about artists today there and he be like nigga got that nigga Richard Pryde, you know
What he means by that is you see the Wizard of Oz. Yeah, the black Black Wizard of Oz with Richard Pryde, he's the Wizard of Oz.
But the Wizard of Oz was a hoax.
He ain't shit.
You understand?
So he's like, these niggas is fooling niggas.
Like, he's Richard Pryde.
He be like, man, that nigga Richard Pryde, y'all.
And he's like, that nigga can't do it or keep doing it.
And we just be sitting there talking.
And it be some interesting shit because it's two niggas that really did it. And we just be like, and I be like, nah, this nigga going to do it or keep doing it and we just be sitting there talking and it'd be some interesting shit because it's two niggas that really did it and we just be like and i'm like nah this nigga's
gonna do it he's like that nigga richard pride but this nigga what i'm saying is also with nori
he's always been this he's always been this guy yeah yeah, you see him. I did the drunk guy. He having fun or whatever.
He's thinking.
I know him.
Come on, guy.
Yeah, I know him.
Come on, guy.
He's like, I'm going to serve these niggas.
What can I do to create?
Look, this nigga created his own lane, his own thing, and served niggas.
Thank you, guy.
But.
Cheers.
Cheers to serving niggas.
Let's go.
I think it's a serving niggas. Give's go. I think that's a service time.
Give BJ a shot.
Because BJ, why you ain't talking?
Tell these niggas.
Tell these niggas.
Yo, listen.
Let me tell you something, man.
That's a.
Yo.
I'm going to tell you something.
Give him a shot.
Yeah, give him a shot.
Come on.
Come on.
Where's the number thing?
Where's the.
We need another fucking drink champ stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that.
Oh, shit.
Popping bottles.
Yo, Gotti. Hot champagne kills people. Kills people? It kills people? Yeah, yeah. drink champs yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah got a hot champagne kill shit yeah yeah
yeah people hi yeah yeah you gotta
relax I just say mo yo yo just relax
Spang G I'm sending you massive yo yo
just relax can you know it's a good shit
yeah but hold on hold on my bad I
definitely Spang G we gonna respect it You know he took your shit. You know he took your shit. Yeah, but hold on, hold on. My bad. I definitely didn't hear that.
I don't respect that.
I don't respect that.
But Vic, you and Vic got to come to Drink Chats one fucking time.
Yeah, but BJ, how is it running on that Murder Inc. run?
How was that for you?
BJ, talk to the people, man.
He ain't going to talk much, nigga.
He ain't going to incriminate himself like I'm gonna incriminate myself
nah man how fun was that when niggas was on top of the world
like y'all niggas was charging niggas $250,000
y'all niggas running around
yo we made when we did the I'm Real record
we made time we told him we said yo nigga
he wanted us to get JLo's video
in LA we said yo nigga we got shit to do nigga
you want us to do that?
Give us the jet for like the whole week.
The Sony jet.
He said, got it.
I said, nigga, give up the fucking jet.
Nigga, we was G4ing it.
We was the most ignorant motherfuckers
because I didn't know when you try that jet,
you could tell the stewardess
whatever the fuck you want to eat.
We was like, bitch, if you ain't got no pita lugas,
and bitch, don't not have the sauce
Don't not have the peter lugas sauce. It will be ass mr. Postman. We was on some bullshit
Hey, I got you better have the garlic broccoli in this bitch. That's her come on. Let's do it from mr.
Chizzy
To the murdering Come on, let's do it. From Mr. Chizzy. Who should it be? Beth Hill. You see where your shit at? Ah-da-ah.
Ah-da-ah.
Ah-da-ah.
To the murdering niggas.
Ah-da-ah.
Ah, you didn't give me ah.
You gave me a salute.
You didn't give me ah, you motherfucker.
There's a vice in that bitch.
Oh, man.
God damn it.
Lucky thing is, lucky thing is Sunday tomorrow.
I can fucking chill.
Who's the greatest artist of all time?
If you could pick just one.
Why are you going to do that?
I'm just saying.
No, don't do one.
Let's do a top five, at least.
Just one is Pac, nigga.
Just one is Pac?
Pac.
Pac.
All around Pac, you have a different...
That nigga was too much, man.
He was too much.
Because you got some people like...
Speaking of niggas giving them jewels. I like all of Pac. All of Pac. You have a different thing it was too much man. He was
I like all the pot I like the whole embodiment of pot because that's who he was the same thing that said I'm gonna kill you niggas the same
Nigga that was like yo, we gotta be together
After fucking say that that's what is his truth
He didn't he never lied whenever that moment he felt, he said it.
He's a Gemini.
If you want to give it to one artist,
I'd give it to Pac all day.
All day.
Big is hard because he had two albums. You know what
I like to say? I like to say
Pac was the realest nigga
ever, but Big
was the illest. When But big was the Ellis like when I first heard unbelievable. I swear to you. I listened to that record like
100 times
Live from bed for style the son the live this one that was representing B came to the fullest It doesn't rhyme! It doesn't rhyme! It doesn't rhyme! But it did! It doesn't rhyme!
But he made it!
It's K-Moz!
He made it rhyme!
Lava, Bubba, Stavis, son, the lavest one!
He's the posa- one!
Un, done, son, gone!
Representing BK to the fullest, Gatsa, Pullet, Bass, is ducking with Big B, Bucket, Chicken
Heads, be clucking in my bathroom, fucking, it ain't nothing!
This nigga, look!
Look!
This is real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real!
I just said it's real! I just said it's real! I just said it's real! I just said it's real! I just said it's real! with big be bucking, chicken heads be clucking, and my bad for fucking, it ain't nothing. This nigga, look, look, this is real.
I just said his verse.
Big, I know you, I know you fucking,
you so nigga, my nigga, you understand?
It's like, nigga, his style was unorthodox.
Like, I don't know, you know, what the fuck?
And he did it on multiple records,
but he's just flowing, and I'm like,
what, this doesn't make sense.
This doesn't make sense.
This is the hottest shit
I've ever heard.
Yo,
I want everyone to go listen
to fucking Big.
His first song.
I'm telling you,
you're going to see what I see.
He broke every rule of rapping.
His flow was uncanned.
And it was just him
and nigga,
come on. Uncanned. Come on was just him and nigga, come on! Un-canned.
Come on nigga, stop! Stop!
Fucking stop!
Like this nigga was like, I would be like, yo this nigga's crazy.
Like X, X had a flow. Like he used to do shit.
And you know, before I got on, I used to just listen to niggas albums.
Like a straight idiot.
I was an idiot savant
and I would just lock myself in a room
and listen to The Chronic
and listen to Snoop Dogg's
Why? Why?
God, he'd figure out why.
And I would come up with methods in my head
musically for eight bars,
you know what I'm saying?
Changing the nine to 12 bars.
So you were counting the bars and everything?
I'm telling you, I was an idiot savant
because I felt if I could figure out why I could do it.
Like their formula.
Yes.
Yes.
Like X.
X, when he first came out, he used to do two bars of rhyming.
And then he would start his next verse off with a rhyme.
I feel like X came in offbeat all the time.
No.
He wasn't offbeat.
It's a method to the madness, nigga.
Like, so if he says, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, hey.
Diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, say.
Hey.
Diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, say.
No, diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, met.
Or met.
Diddy, diddy, diddy, diddy, tech.
Heck.
Diddy, diddy, diddy.
So it was a constant movement of rhythm and rhyme
I shouldn't be saying this because I'm giving up too much
If any you niggas rap that's what that was actually shit genius, right?
So he would he would he would end his rhyme and the first
Little half a bar
It would be rhyming
And then he would go to another thing
But it was a method
So it wasn't like
There's a reason why people are hot
It's a reason
It's not a mistake
It's a fucking reason
You know what I'm saying
So that's why
Like with me in the studio
We're producing I can make ill records still's why, like, with me in the studio, we're producing.
I can make ill records still to this day because I can mindfuck the artists.
Right.
I can mindfuck the artists into thinking that they're the greatest artists ever.
And I will give them little things to help them bring out their shit.
So when I say that, like Snoop, he was all four bars.
And Dre, that's why when Dre gets in, it's all production.
It's all perfection.
You know what I'm saying?
So you listen to his shit, and it's like, it's all four bar sequences.
It's like a 16 bar verse with four four bars.
And Dre is musically making, sonically, he's coordinating it with that rap.
But when Snoop first album, even though I wasn't there, I could bet my last dollar
he freestyled probably
the majority of that album.
Absolutely.
I believe that.
But that nigga was just in a blunt,
hey, two, three,
and to the four.
Nigga, his words are simple,
but yet ill.
Snoopy,
in that time frame,
Snoop was one of the illest rappers
ever.
Ever.
I give him that ever,
and he may not be a lyrical beast
Or whatever like that but just how he was
Putting you cannot
And how crazy is it
That yeah Snoop makes some big records
With Pharrell cause Pharrell's dope
And Pharrell gets it you understand
But Snoop with Dre
Is always different
I think when Dre he gets lyrical
I feel that Snoop is lyrical. You know what it is?
I'll tell you exactly
what it is when Snoop
is with Dre.
Because it's the same thing
if I was in the studio
with XJ and Jop.
They can't bullshit with me.
You know what was
the L studio session?
They can't bullshit with me.
Got it.
Snoop can't bullshit with Dre.
He got a deep...
Because Dre don't be like,
nigga, I don't like it.
How many niggas
can go in the studio
with Snoop and say,
nigga, I don't like it?
It's Snoop Dogg. Niggas are scared to death. They say, Snoop, I don't like it. How many niggas can go in the studio with Snoop and say, nigga, I don't like it? It's Snoop Dogg.
Niggas are scared to death.
They say, I don't like the verse or whatever like that.
So whatever he says, they cool with it.
I just got it.
But nigga, Dre?
Man, man.
Let me switch it to a different shit.
I'm in my session.
Y'all was at the crack house.
And you had Gabe Prodigy.
You said, yo, you never smile.
I think, I'm not sure if I was there for the speech, or if you gave me the speech afterwards.
It was the illest shit with me and Prodigy.
Yeah.
It was the illest shit.
It was a great session.
Right.
Seven did the beat, and there was some flowy, melodic shit, and the shit was a dope record.
I swear to God, when he passed,
I was like,
I want to find that record just to let the people hear it.
It was called Smile, right?
Something like that.
But the conversation
that I had with Pete
was crazy.
Good.
He was in the studio.
I was in the studio,
crack house.
If you know them days,
anyone who knows them days,
it was niggity.
Oh my niggas.
You know what I'm saying?
So I basically said
Pete
You're not giving
The true depiction
Of a thug
Cause I said
A thug
Is thugging
To better his family
Fuck with some bitches
Get some bitches
Just have a better life
If you just thug
In the bean mug all day
Then that's corny
This is what I said to him.
So I didn't want to make a prodigy record because I was like,
I can't make nothing better than Survival of the Fittest.
Fucking nigga, he's, nigga, Queens Get the Money, that whole slogan, it's P.
Queens Get the Money, Long Time.
I don't care.
Queens Get the Money, Long Time.
Stop it. So nigga, I'm not making, listen, I'm not making. Okay, please get the money
Who the fuck you think is living to this day?
Niggas cry, okay
Please niggas don't play, do your thing, I do mine, niggas stay out of my way. I'm not making nothing harder than that.
I'm a realist.
I look in the mirror and I know who the fuck I am.
And I smile and I'm happy with the reflection I see.
I'm not making nothing harder than motherfucking, you know what I'm saying,
your beef is mine.
And now I'm for it. I'm a nigga.
So the direction that I went with P Was to make some thug shit
That uplifts life
Give niggas a reason
To be like
Yeah
You know what I'm saying
That was the direction
That I took them in
I didn't want to do them all
I took nigga
Just that one line
I can't make nothing
Harder than that
Like nigga
That was one of the albums Listen That was one of the albums.
Listen, that was one of the albums I used to study.
I studied Illmatic.
I studied Mobb Deep.
I studied Dr. Dre.
I studied Wu-Tang Clan.
I studied a lot of shit.
I studied pop records and rock records, too.
But I ain't giving y'all those because I don't want y'all to really know.
Come on, man.
Come on.
What's the movie?
Come on.
Nirvana is ill.
What's something you regret in this whole business?
The Jay and Nas.
The Jay and Nas thing I regret.
You regret that that happened or you regret that you participated?
I regret that I entertain signing Nas
to murder rank
not because I don't
love Nas
I love Nas
I love Nas
as a brother
right
if I seen
like the best way
I can sum it up
like if Nas
was in a fight
I'm getting in
I'm jumping
I'm jumping in
I'll shed blood
stab
shout out
whatever
for my nigga
him in jungle brothers that said I'll shed blood, stab, shout out, whatever for my nigga. Him and Jungle, we're brothers.
That said, I've been with Jay since 87, man.
Right.
Me and Jay is a deeper level of brotherhood.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
So I should have never made super ugly and then went and fucked with Nas.
So if you had a chance to redo it,
would you say I would completely?
Let me speak on it, yes.
Or would you still make Super Ugly?
Or when Nas and Steve start
reaching out, yo, tell Nas to sit down with Jay and squash
this shit.
No, no, that don't make sense.
I shouldn't have went with Nas.
He says it's a conflict of interest in a sense.
I should not have went with Nas. I made Super Ugly.
I got more shooters in Queens than you.
Got it!
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that was what he meant.
Yeah, he was talking about me and
It got awkward.
My niggas.
I didn't know that.
My niggas, we're extensive.
You know what I'm saying?
Was Rue mad at you for that?
On the deep,
Rue wasn't mad.
Rue wanted to take over.
Rue,
Rue is,
Rue is my beloved brother.
So you know what Rue is?
Rue,
let's jump off this fucking building.
You sure,
Gotti?
He jumping,
nigga.
Can't explain it no better than that.
That's why I used to tell niggas,
you be from Voodoo,
that nigga alone,
come get me.
BJ, you jumping too, right?
You fucking right.
And I ain't even look at him.
You fucking right.
And I ain't even look at him, nigga.
That's how Murder Inc. gets down, nigga.
And it's a mob of us.
Watch this, Darcelle.
You jumping, Darcelle?
She jumping, nigga.
That's murdering.
So all you niggas out there,
you fucking with me?
You fucking with a nation of niggas
that's jumping, nigga.
You don't want that.
You know one of the best things I can say
when it comes to the beef shit?
Because, you know, anyone can get killed.
You know what I'm saying?
My nigga Prane used to say,
when he said BJ, he said,
yo, nigga, if you get killed, take your blood, write your name
of the nigga who did it.
Cause we gon' get him.
See what I'm saying? So when you talk beef shit, I'ma talk beef shit real quick.
No, I didn't talk beef shit.
I'ma just let niggas know when you fuck it.
This is what you get when you fucking with Murder Egg, nigga.
This is what you get when you fucking with Murder Egg, nigga. You with Murder Egg. This is what you get when you fucking with Murder Egg, nigga.
You get one of us.
We coming, nigga.
We're going to come.
You can get me, but for sure I'm not going to be the only one that died, nigga.
I got it.
I don't like it.
For sure.
Don't touch any of your minds, nigga.
Not one.
They got the eye of the titan.
He definitely has the eye of the titan.
Let me kick it off.
Let me kick it off.
Because I got your fake.
Your fake J Ther.
You just fucking with Preem.
And that's why you talk.
Nigga, don't get fucked up.
Just how niggas, just how niggas Preem have my back.
Nigga, you talk about Preem, I'm at you, nigga.
Me, little old pussy me.
Fucking at you, nigga. Yo old pussy me fucking that you nigga yo Supreme what up nigga I think we gotta make noise for
that yeah We fucking peaceful niggas. I'm a good executive and everything like that.
So, you know what I'm saying?
I'm a good executive, which really I am.
I'm a very fucking creative and brilliant guy.
But like when I was going through my trial,
one of the things with the trial that was blaringly obvious to me was,
hey, Irv, you're a very smart intellectual guy who made these great
things. Hold on.
Leave those niggas alone.
Them niggas you with?
Them niggas like the niggas sitting next to me?
Nah. Leave them alone.
And I'm like,
I'm like, yo,
but listen, I'm like,
I love these niggas. I love BJ.
I'll die for BJ, nigga.
Right.
Don't get it fucked up.
Don't get it fucked up one bit, nigga.
You touch BJ, I'm at you, nigga.
Nah, nah, let me tell you something.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I'm at you, nigga.
With every fucking thing I got, nigga, you touch one of mine.
Let me tell you, you know who BJ is?
Talk about it.
He's Sonny DBT with class.
No, with definite class. You gotta break this shit down to me. You he's sunny DBT with class Yo, I can see it! That nigga is like a BJ! I give it!
But you said with no class, BJ got more class.
No, BJ got class.
He knows how to switch kids.
That's my brother.
He knows how to switch kids.
No, he has no class.
Hold on, hold on. You going to let us. I'm going to give you guys some shit.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, Semi-DVT, you want to let us? Listen, you want to let us too? Let's go. You
Listen
Give me some shit some more shit
Remember there was a time everyone they made a campaign guyi for a Def Jam president Why ain't he give it
He's an obvious choice
I'm going to tell you some shit
I'm going to tell you some shit
And Sonny TBT is going to fucking love this shit
So it was a fucking
Private meeting
Not going to tell you who
But a very powerful person
And that person said to me
Crystal clear
Gotti
You wanna be president of Def Jam
I said yeah nigga I do
I want that shit
I think I could fucking kill it
I'll really make Def Jam elegant
You gotta get rid of your niggas
Forget it Forget it
Forget it
They name names
Take a shot
Cause you know
Take a shot for me
I can name a name
I know what they meant
Take a dip
Keep going
My man
My man Brooklyn's son
He was with me every day
Look at
My nigga script provider
Look at
Okay okay
Y'all stop
But listen It was like Gotti me every day. Look it, my nigga script provider. Okay, okay, y'all stop.
But listen,
it was like,
Gotti,
you're the most polarizing figure.
I said,
what do you mean?
They said,
look,
everyone knows
your talent
in this business.
But you cannot
forget
that the FBI,
the feds, raided 825 8th Avenue, Universal Music Group, they're not going to give you that while every party you go to you're with 20 killers.
I'm not going to lie.
Listen, let me tell you something.
To which I said.
God, he killed a killer.
To which I said.
To which he said.
To which I said. I got it. I'm going to have to figure out another way
to end my nigga, because I ain't never going to leave my niggas.
I said, I, hey, watch this.
Real niggas can relate.
Real niggas can relate.
Talk that shit, guy.
Real niggas can relate.
Watch this.
Real niggas can relate.
I'm going to say some shit that real niggas can relate.
Don't worry about it. You got to keep it up. I'm going to say some shit that real niggas can relate. Don't worry about it.
You got to keep it up.
I'm going to say some shit that real niggas can relate.
In our mind, we don't work this scene right now.
In our mind.
In our mind.
No, I don't want to see it.
We go to the next scene, I'll be like, woo, this wood.
It's mine.
In our mind.
This fucking wood.
Let's go.
Gun.
Gun.
Go.
Gun.
Gun.
Go.
Gun.
Gun.
Gun.
Gun.
Gun.
Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Gun. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, I said, I sleep very good. I sleep so well.
I said, nigga, if I was to do any disloyal shit to the niggas who have shown me nothing but love, honor, and respect,
I said, my nigga, you gonna have me not being able to sleep.
And I need my rest
because I go hard.
Real niggas can relate.
My mother, Nene,
who I love and worship,
put her above God
when I was going through the fed shit.
She said,
Irv, just they're taking you away
for 20 years.
What about your kids?
And it was her,
Nene and Poppy,
and my mother and my father.
And she was basically saying, the feds whatever the fuck
Just get them away from you and off of you
I said Nini
You trying to fuck with my sleep mom
You know what my pop said?
Leave him alone
Our son is a man
Real shit
My pop said yo
Told my mother
Leave him alone
Our son is a
Fucking man
So if there's anything else
You're facing a man
Niggas
If there's anything
One more thing
Else
That you could take away
Who would you
J-Lo
Yeah cause you just
Dated J-Lo
J-Lo
It wasn't good
J-Lo
J-Lo was actually
J-Lo
Yeah like in a magazine
J-Lo
This is on Ecstasy this is on ecstasy
This is all I can see because you know, we love ecstasy stories
Let's go with JLo first yo, yo, just relax your spirit every time they say relax money. I think you shit. Well fucking uh,
The JLo story is I'm in it. I think of your shit. But fucking, the J-Lo story is I'm an asshole.
I'm an idiot.
At the highest level.
J-Lo was like one of my really, really good friends, man.
She was going like this.
She was throwing up the ends.
She was repping for y'all.
She was repping, man.
She was repping.
So why?
And she called me and she said, hey, I'm on the cover of Elle magazine and I told them to call you to get quotes.
So I said, all good.
Like J-Lo was like our sister.
She was like me and John's sister.
Like we loved her.
Murder Ring, all my niggas loved her.
Like everyone loved her.
And I fucked up.
So Elle magazine calls me. Now,
let me give you the prequel to the call.
I'm on the phone with
Tommy Mottola.
Tommy Mottola was the president of people
that don't know. Tommy Mottola was the chairman of Sony
Records. He was the ruler of Sony
Records. People don't know that.
So, I'm on the phone with Tommy Mottola
because they
put Cadillac Ty in the video for Ain't It Funny.
What are your artists?
Cadillac Ty, my artist.
They put him in the video, but they serviced the record to radio without him on it.
Which I'm like, yo, you killing me.
Because you're sending mixed signals.
You're basically saying he ain't wacky enough for radio
or he's too wack for radio.
So I'm heated. I'm like, you shouldn't have let me
put him in the video if he was going to do that, you
fucking idiot.
Wait, they edited Ty's version?
No, Ty was in the video.
Sony serviced the record
to radio without him on it.
Oh, wow.
So they seen him in the video, but you didn't hear him
on the radio.
Wow.
Right.
And I was like,
how are you doing this to me?
I gave you two number ones,
you fucking motherfucker.
Wow.
And he had said
some bullshit.
He being Tommy Mottola?
Yeah,
he says some racist shit.
Tommy Mottola is a big dog.
Let's keep it real.
Yeah,
he called Corey Rooney
like a fat motherfucker.
But he may have used the N-word, right?
So when he did that, I said, what the fuck did you just say?
And I tell him, I said, when I see you, I'm going to fuck you up.
Straight nigga shit.
I said, oh, what did you just say?
He said, Irv Irv.
And he apologized.
And he was like, he didn't mean to say it.
It was in the heat of the moment because we was arguing.
I said, when I see you, I'm going see him fuck your ass up me and Tommy is good now
Like we're cool with you understand it was it was it was a heated conversation
Let me interject. I was on three ecstasy pills
When you said that super man, what is Superman?
Every day for like I was all these years. I was on little fishies. I don't know if you know about the Fishies,
but the Fishies was major. You liked the Cadillacs.
I remember.
You liked the Cadillacs.
The Fishies.
No, fuck the Cadillacs.
When I hit Cadillacs,
you're like,
you're not in 2003, 2004.
You're in 2010.
You understand?
See, I brought you to the future.
I'm talking about Fishies.
I'm talking about 2002, 2003.
We're on Pluto.
We're on Pluto.
And I was on three, and I want to interject that as part.
So I finished streaming on time, and Mottola's saying,
yo, basically, I hang up on time, and Mottola's saying,
I'm going to see you, and I'm going to fuck you up.
Ha, ha, ha, laughing.
This nigga going to fuck you up.
Ha, ha, ha.
Hang the phone up.
My brother's dead. I'm like, yo, this nigga, when we see this nigga, we're going to fuck this nigga gonna fuck you up hang the phone up my brother's dead I'm like yo this nigga when we see this nigga we gonna fuck this nigga up straight like that
niggas like what did he say I'm like listen don't worry about it the boss said we gonna
fuck niggas up we fucking niggas up when I get to kickin get to kickin you
understand so boom so now they, okay. Phone rings immediately.
This is such and such from Elle magazine.
I told you, I said, yeah, what the fuck you want?
Straight like that.
He seen he had a live one.
And he says, oh, oh, okay, I'll get straight to it. Listen, J-Lo says that the I'm Real record is not about Diddy.
What? That bitch lying.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
So you just went off.
Talk about it, Harry.
Listen.
See how niggas like, oh, it means you're saying it?
When you read it, it's so much worse.
J-Lo, I'm not talking about Diddy in I'm Real.
Next line.
Her body says, that bitch is mine.
And that's your homegirl.
You did not kill that.
I love her.
Yeah.
You did not kill that.
That's a reverse.
I love J-Lo.
To this day, I love her.
If I see another one, if I see someone beefing with JLo, I'm jumping in front of
the sub, nigga.
JLo would never trust me again.
I made two records with JLo. I'm really
making it funny. I have not made another one.
You gotta make it right.
There's no making it right.
I fucking am
an idiot. I abandoned
her trust and her loyalty
and if she says till she goes
in the casket, fuck her, I've got it.
I deserve
it.
That's the truth.
I deserve it.
What idiot
has the biggest star in the world? I could be
making, I could have made two movies with her.
Benny Medina, who's her manager,
was like, after those two records,
both of those records,
I'm really winning number one for 21 weeks.
I ain't winning number one for 15 weeks.
Check the stats.
Google it, right?
So, boom.
I gave her the two biggest records,
figured out the formula
that's going to work specifically for her,
and did no more records.
Benny Medina was like, yo, Irv Gotti is doing all our music.
He's the executive producing her albums.
Like, love me.
J-Lo, love me.
Love me.
J-Lo used to go like this in photos.
She'd do the M's up.
Like, yo, like this.
Like, she was, nigga, I'm with this.
And I disrespected and abandoned that shit.
It's fucked me forever.
I don't even like, I apologize to her a hundred times.
And every time I see her, I just bow my head.
And that's all I could do.
If she never fucks with me again,
she has every right to say fucker of Gotti.
And I have, she get those shit in my face
She could do whatever and I'll sit there and take it and like I deserve everything that you fucking give to me
Cuz and listen we was like friends
We was friends
We was friends
Talk about the show she remember when she was saying he had
As well, listen, no, we're sure we're saying the show she remember when she was saying he was saying he had a sex tape
on JLo I'm at it okay nigga I went there I'm sure nigga she do this nigga you
can't do that nigga
He's like Gotti she with you
I said she's the best motherfucking in the world
Nigga you can't do that nigga
Destroy that shit if you got it
He said yo Gotti
For you tell her
No one will ever see that shit
Has anyone ever seen that shit
No
But this is the friendship that I had with her.
Like, I love J-Lo.
Like, I'm so pissed at myself for doing that.
That's my...
Talk that shit.
Talk that shit.
She Puerto Rican.
She gonna see this.
Nah.
She can see it.
Listen, if she sees it...
Listen, if she sees it...
Yo, you know...
I love you, J-Lo.
Like, as a friend.
I love you.
Listen, I love you. And I love you And I totally get it
If you another fucking man
She's hip hop
She a fly girl
She a fly girl
Let me tell you about JLo
She the coolest nigga
Like when she was the biggest superstar
She was hanging around with us
And she not only, like everyone in murder ring loved her everyone in murder ring was mad at me like
god what the fuck wrong with you nigga i said y'all was high nigga i was fucked up and just
think of tommy had me on some bullshit man but everyone was mad at me like what you do that for
yo like j-lo was with us j-lo with us us. Nigga, we love J-Lo.
And I was like,
I didn't have an ex.
I was like, I was high.
Which I was.
And that's,
I was out of my mind.
I was out of my mind.
But it ain't no excuse.
So that's why she shit-saw me too.
Forever.
I gotta accept that.
I gotta accept it.
Cause yeah.
I was gonna say,
cause she like,
as well, I did like shows in Vegas,
and she said, for her God, he cannot come.
Really?
Did I say that right?
Is that what I said?
I just made it up. When they did the show in the Bronx,
you made that up.
When they did the show in the Bronx.
Did you really make that up?
I'm not sure.
No, no, he made that up.
I made that up.
She would never say that.
Because I've come to shows with Rue and her.
And it's like, I say, hey, J-Lo.
And she says, hi.
But you know, it's a thing we have.
She'll never trust me.
And I don't blame her.
And I don't blame her.
I love J-Lo.
And if she don't love me, I'll just love her.
I mean, I think it's honest that you're saying that.
It's real.
It's real.
It's like, there's no, if I told you I speak I always speak the
truth I fucked up I fucked up majorly with this up with a superstar but I'm
telling you that's what matters three fishies I was on three fishies My brother. Nigga, nigga, my man, I ain't going to say his name because he be like, God, he don't blow me up like that.
I don't know what that meant.
I don't know what you mean, nigga.
Hey, my man gave me this thing called the Purple Wafer.
I've never had that, nigga.
It was like a quintuple stack.
Whatever five times, whatever you say, shit was a huge pill.
So my man tells me, God, you do this, take a piece.
Don't do the whole thing. Take the whole joint. Come on, man. Me, me. You went this, take a piece. Don't do the whole thing.
Take the whole joint.
Come on, man.
You went all in.
Me?
You all in.
I tell bitches, I'm like, would you take half a shower?
Would you halfie?
We do the whole shit over here, right?
So, boom.
I did the whole shit, and my bitch did the whole shit.
I had hallucinations.
I used to be in would be in the shower
feel like the shoe would feel like we turn hot I would tell my bitch Joe the
devil's here get out the shower when we get up the show
you're not the show well mind you I'm like wait a minute
bend over and fucking up listen we this is protection then I will look at the TV that I was tripping I was
Here I would think the TV the cartoon characters
Because you focus that what what drug are we talking about again?
It's actually people it was called the Purple Wafer.
Yeah.
And the drug dealer who sold it to me said, Gotti, don't take this.
Let's...
Let's talk about one side.
What?
You had to blow up his name.
You threw up his name?
Don't do that.
One side.
Why did he say your name?
I didn't say your name.
He probably got an app.
His name is One G. His name is One G. We live in the 2018. Niggas want to get an app. well it wasn't one stop it was what okay listen all right how much cocaine did
Bobby Brown do Bobby Brown is my nigga. Did you see he did the interview? We said it only did this only said he fried
Yeah, chicken on cocaine. It's usually like it was that's like in the powder
Kill Tony Montana with that one. Yo, come on guy. I was based in fried chicken. Like flour and cocaine.
Black people, you know.
I don't give no credit to these guys thinking that's dope.
No, no, no, just think about it, because you're not black.
You're good.
When you cook, this is a black person thing.
And that's not cool. No, don't say that.
Relax, let me just tell you something.
If you go and cook fried chicken, we're going 30 pieces or more.
We're going 30 pieces.
We're going 30 pieces or more.
So, Florida, Bobby, the fried chicken.
It's horrible.
Oh, my God.
Listen, here it is.
Here's the Bobby.
Where's the Bob star?
That's gangster basketball.
Here's the Bob star.
Which I say with nothing but love.
I love Bobby Brown. Let me but love, I love Bobby Brown.
We need Bobby Brown on Dream Champs as well.
His job.
Yes, yes.
Listen, I love Bobby Brown.
We all love Bobby Brown.
I should have knew something was fucking fishy, right?
You should have knew something from fucking fishy, right? Wait, you should have knew something from the session?
Automatic.
The session was legendary.
Yo, we in Miami.
Yo, we in Miami's hip factory.
Bob comes in.
And mind you, I never seen Bob physically do coke.
I never seen, he never did lines in front of me.
But Bob came in, and he was supernatural.
He was supernatural.
And he comes in the studio, and I think the AC was off,
because the hip factory was always wrong.
You know, the session was like a couple hours.
The second hour, the shirt is off.
And Bob is...
Is it after the stroke?
No, Bob is...
After the stroke?
No, no, after the stroke?
Before the stroke?
I think it's before the stroke.
Okay.
This was before the stroke.
But he's off the charts.
The singing, I'm like, okay.
He's doing the low note.
I know you're getting bored.
Damn, it's big, right?
Hey, for all producers that know, the low note is important.
It's the feeling.
So now, I say, okay, Bob, and lips.
He said, I got you, got it.
He says, give me like 10, 20 minutes.
He goes, he comes back.
Charlie Baltimore is in the session as well.
Oh.
Oh, he's hollering.
He's like, Charlie, what up, nigga?
He hollering.
Are you in that?
By this time, my shirt is off.
This is going all over the place.
No, no, no.
I got to relax.
Listen, listen.
By this time, my shirt is off because it's hot as a motherfucker.
So this nigga's in the studio.
You know the ad-libs.
He's going.
Woo!
He's like this.
He's hollering. He's like. Ja! Ja! This is the period when I was high on three. So he's high, I'm high.
That's how that record was fucking made, okay?
It was made on two niggas that was very high.
Right?
So boom, we're high.
And then Bob fucking...
Now, here was the only thing with Bob that I regret.
I shouldn't have did a BTX's Grammy.
Because when I did the BT exit red ball was on that mother
He was grinding his teeth
They was groundless tickets and everyone noticed thing is high
And it tainted the artistry of the record
You know saying I should have made just hit like a cocaine wrecking and made our shit
And John which it was.
It was a name of the record again?
Thug Lovin'.
We was all...
Cocaine record.
Cocaine Lovin'.
Cocaine claim, y'all.
Yo, nigga, when we shot the video, we was high.
Nigga, I spent a million won on that video just on some ignorant shit.
I said, nigga, I want to shut down Hollywood Boulevard.
They was like, nigga, that's going to take like 300,000.
I said, I want to shut down Hollywood Boulevard They was like nigga that's going to take like 300,000 I said pay it
We was getting so much money
I was like what's 300 grand
Pay it
We locked down Holland for like 3 blocks
Put a sign up there that said murder rink
And nigga was just running around
You got your cup empty
Come on brother we got more shit
Yo can I get
This is champagne.
Like, this is...
Hey, hey, all drink champs.
This shit is official.
Like, I'm really fucked up.
We drink it, bro. We drink it, bro.
All bullshit aside,
this shit is real.
I'm really fucked up, yo.
It's legit, legit. Drink champs is legit. I've never lied in my life I don't
lie the reason why I don't lie everyone is because I have fear of nothing people
lie when they're afraid I'm afraid of nothing so I never lie right oh my god
so the truth here is I am truly fucked up. I got it.
They don't look as fucked up as me. No, no, no.
They don't look as fucked up as me.
We're drinking.
We're drinking.
Got it, got it.
Let me tell you something.
We in.
We in.
We going in.
You know what?
Our good friend Leo.
So Leo comes.
Lovely Leo.
And Leo comes and he brings me to the polo lounge.
Now, you know, I'm still a dude from
Left Right City.
I know what I'm doing,
but Leo, he wants to come
to me and he wants to sit down with me.
He says,
you know why I love drink champs?
And I said, what's up?
The fact that Leo Cohen watches
drink champs and studied drink champs
is what makes him, to me, in my opinion, one of the dopest executives out there.
Go ahead.
So he goes, you guys don't do the gossip bullshit.
It's not TMZ.
No.
It's not TMZ, bro.
You celebrate people.
So just in case you didn't know why you were here tonight.
Don't get it twisted. Don't get it here tonight don't get it twisted don't get
it twisted don't get it twisted why we're here to celebrate the life
first we celebrate the life of erv I did it See In hip hop
In hip hop
In hip hop
You gotta throw a drink
On a nigga
Or
You know
In the new era
Of hip hop
You gotta fight somebody
Yeah
Get viral
Get viral
Get viral
Make some viral shit
That's not what we do over here
What we do over here
We here
Sit here
We celebrate your history
We sit here and say
You know what?
This is our history.
But y'all get shit that other niggas
can't get. Yeah, because that's the
way it works. Because you get niggas fucked up.
Yeah.
Y'all decide to get fucked up
too as well. Who don't want to get
fucked up? Exactly. When you're fucked up
you feel good. I feel good.
You understand? I feel good.
Now,
let's just throw it out there.
Is NRE
the guy who invented
Pinot Grigio and hip-hop? I feel like I did.
I can't murder ink. I can take the dick.
No, no, no. Let me speak on it.
Okay, please. You gotta share
publishing. You gotta
share. I'm gonna share publishing. Oh. You got to share.
Yo.
I'm going to be honest with you.
You get all.
No, listen.
You get all the credit.
Spray.
Listen, you get all the credit for the underground.
No, I remember.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
No, you see.
When you speak on Pino, you get all of the credit for the underground?
Okay, they're ready to show you who drink who start drinking Pino's coming, but you gotta share publishing credit
Mariah Carrie. Oh
No, that's 100% Okay. Oh, that's 100% So you feel me?
Mariah Carey was on her Pinot Grigio shit.
Yo, come on, Lammy.
Drink this.
Lammy.
My wife know that.
I checked Mariah for COVID.
I thought you were going to stop saying fucking Lammy, yo.
Nah, but listen.
Let me just tell you something.
At one point, I had like a crazy hot record.
We all signed a death plan, but me and Rue lived live together and I came to the office murdering golfers and y'all niggas is Remy Martin
That my correct rules really more. Yes, then he journey transformed to Chris Tao
But he had like one or two years of nigga when he woke up a bottle of Remy
He was really like like Chris Tao was his shit when he just
Not sponsorship nigga, right?
This is what he really drank,
not sponsorship shit, right?
No, no, no. None of this is sponsorship.
He drank that shit.
Listen.
Rube would drink Remy Martin
when he woke up.
Okay.
When rural people drink orange juice,
maybe some water,
he had Remy in a fresh bottle
and he drank that shit, dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rube's a degenerate.
He's a degenerate. he's like degenerates at
drink cheese and alcohol and then let me just say so that I came to murdering
what a case of Santa margarita please you make us I think it said you don't
drink wine because this is the Haiti era yeah Yeah. And I just gave Chris, your brother Chris, God, that's my nigga.
Yes.
Yo, we're BJ.
BJ, he tried to escape the camera like niggas.
Yeah, yeah.
BJ have to hide and see.
They already got us.
They already got us, BJ.
I'm just telling you.
Come out.
They got us.
BJ.
No, I'm just playing.
You're going to go.
No, but I remember bringing that there.
And then that was it Like hip hop started
Being I mean I felt like I was the first
Wine connoisseur
Nori I will give you your claim
I will give you that claim
No the Pinot Grigio Santa Margarita
Is exactly that you said
Very specific
Santa Margarita
That's all I was thinking
And the liquor store Like $25 yo So it's a good drink Exactly, very specific. Very specific. Santa Monica? Santa Margarita.
That's all I was thinking.
And the liquor store?
The liquor store is like $25, Joe.
So it's a good drink.
Yeah, but you order that and live, it might be sad.
Exactly.
What's the segway to this?
What's the difference?
He just wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit.
He wants his publishing credit. He wants his publishing credit. He wants his publishing credit. He wants his publishing here. Who wants his pub? You know, nigga, I brought Pino Grigio to the hip hop.
To the hip hop.
But I said, Joe, Mariah is hip hop.
No, no, no.
And Mariah is a Pino Grigio Santa Monica person.
And she drank it in your spot.
And she drank it in my spot.
We have the footage.
And I own the footage.
And we can absolutely go crazy.
So you put her on.
No, I can't.
Never say that.
Are you saying you put her on to be the realest?
No, she was on it already.
She thugged it out at your spot.
That's why I said he got a share in that fuck.
This is the reason why.
This is the reason.
Let me just say something.
Like, if you think about it, right?
Or, like, Chris, what year you felt like you've been on, right?
Like, you've been on.
That I was making money and I'm on and I'm in the game?
Yeah, well, yeah.
When I got my Geronimo sign, like, what was that?
94.
94.
That's TVT.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
Blood records?
Got my first check, never been broke since that check.
All right, all right.
Because y'all both being way smarter than we are.
Nah, bro, come on.
I'm not trying to go to a smart place, bro.
Let's rock and roll.
I'm not trying to go to a smart place.
But listen, listen.
It's not smart.
It's just history.
For 94, think about if you calculated all the things you spent on liquor.
Me?
I'm not a liquor drinker.
No, I'm just saying.
You had to buy liquor for videos, nigga.
Oh, videos.
Yeah, those budgets that you were saying.
Videos, it's still not expensive.
Ancillary budgets.
Oh, you're saying like in a club?
Like for them years.
It is over a million dollars. I'm calling you. I wish. It's over a million dollars. for them, yes. It's over a million dollars.
I'm calling you, I wish.
It's over a million dollars.
Let's have it.
Let's have a million dollars.
I just got to make some noise.
And I'm not even going to make it like that.
Yeah, I'm not able.
You know, when I go out, man, murder ring days.
Again, I was making $20, $30 million a year, right?
Wow.
My brother had a black card.
My brother. This is card. My brother...
Chris Gotti?
This is funny.
This is funny.
Chris Gotti.
This is very funny.
Because my brother would be like,
Amex bill come in,
this nigga's spending like
$100,000, $200,000.
I'm like, nigga,
what the fuck you doing?
He said, nigga, I'm repping.
I'm holding it down
from the ring.
I'm keeping this alive
in these streets.
I'm like, nigga,
shut the fuck up.
Charging the car? Yeah, because he's a god every night to all the clubs
Brother in prison my brother's presence in New York City is amazing
Nobody's never seen her guys. Let me say something
We see him a million times right now. So quick. It's fucking fantastic. I think he's a pilot.
I think he's the Beatles right now.
Just so y'all know,
every time, because Ruth says you gotta inhale,
so every time I inhale,
that's when I call.
But then Ruth was like,
no, that's when I just got higher.
Because he's a Joe. That's when I get higher.
You like Travis Scott. I love Travis Scott. Because he's a Joe that's what's gonna get you high. Right?
You like Travis Scott.
Now you understand the number one.
I love Travis Scott.
He's dope.
Travis Scott is dope.
I think Travis Scott is dope.
No, no, no, no, no.
He's more than dope.
Because he's the nigga I've been listening to.
I like Travis.
His vocal production and his production.
The reason why I'm giving Travis so much credit, because everyone's like, yo, you really love
Travis Scott?
And I'm like, yeah.
The reason I'm giving, because I'm a producer.
So he's producing his own shit.
He's doing everything for his own shit.
You understand?
So I detect the brain there.
Yeah.
And he's, I hear you every time.
They come around.
And then the second, because I giggle.
You ever see him perform that record?
Pull it up on Google. see him perform that record pull it up on Google watch him perform that record
And when he performs that record when he goes to the second, I know they go fucking crazy
So what I'm saying is when I see that he knows what he's doing
Like Drizzy Drizzy knows what the fuck I'm doing man like
It's killer he's the best because he knows fuck he's doing man like Drizzy's the best no Drake is killing it he's the best
because he knows what he's doing let me give you a conversation with Drizzy let me give you a
conversation with Drizzy I'm in fucking Canada I'm trying with Charlie Mack what up Mack you
know what I'm saying I'm with Charlie Mack and I'm trying to get Drake to do a like
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air shit you know know what I'm saying? Just a TV series of anything of its kind.
I said,
I'll take you two boys.
I'll do the show on them two
just as long as you
That sounded awkward.
I know I did.
No, but listen to what I'm saying
because I'm like,
Drake is so big
and he's big on the music level.
I'm like,
if Drake was in my era,
Drake would be selling
15 million to 20 million a clip you realize
this so right now he says 3-4 if he was in my era he was selling 15 to 20 so I
know this so I'm like once he does something outside the music genre he's
gonna see how colossal he is then colossal he is That nigga's colossal
He is
I believe it
Drizzy
And Drizzy is my boy
And I love saying it
I think that dude is super lyrical
Listen he's a genius
He's a genius
That motherfucker's a genius
Okay
Drizzy
For sure
Is
A genius yo
And I don't care if he
If he If he uh Oh they wrote this sure is a genius, yo. And I don't care if he, if he,
if he, uh,
oh, they wrote this,
I don't think it, well, okay, but
does that, I mean, it doesn't really
In my era, it would have mattered.
No, it does matter, but I believe that he's,
he's such a workhorse
that he needs influence as well.
That nigga's a genius, yo. That nigga's a genius.
He's all, he's, he's, dare I say, he's our Eminem of today.
I don't dare say that.
He's fucking Eminem.
I won't dare say that.
You know why?
He's black and he's half Jewish.
So he has.
So that's why we dare say that?
You fucking right.
No, I don't dare say that.
I think he's just as talented in a different way.
Listen, white people will never let Eminem die.
Never.
White people will never let Eminem die.
Eminem, if you're listening right now, I love you.
I never wanted to beef with you.
You know me. Power 106. I never wanted to beef with you. You know me.
Power 106.
Oh, Pop.
What's the LA station?
Yeah, Power 106.
Fucking Summer Gems.
Me and you shooting pool.
Laughing, joking.
We was cool.
We was buddies.
I know you love X, J, and Jha.
I know you love them guys.
You had to fucking flip on me for thing.
You know, everybody with the Bacardi in his body.
Great line.
Wait, what are we talking about?
I'm just telling you if you're listening, I respect you.
I love you as an artist.
And I respect you tremendously.
You understand?
So?
So, with the Drizzy comparison, the Jewish side of Drizzy is so happy that one of their own is this colossal rapper.
They're never going to let him go.
Never.
So, I don't see what you're saying, though.
Okay.
Okay, go ahead.
I feel like I'm Jewish, too.
Wait, wait, wait.
Wait, wait. Hold on. Wait. What's that say on your name? Shut up. you're saying okay okay go ahead I feel like I'm doing in hip-hop that love hip
hop right they wait for that they will never in a hundred million years
Let Eminem go
Eminem to this day
Could drop a record
And it's gonna sell like fucking
Farts
It doesn't matter what it is
It's gonna sell
They will never let him go
Because it's their one shining
Moment
And Eminem is worthy of that.
Why is Eminem worthy of that?
Eminem has bodied every single rapper he's got on the record with.
Absolutely.
And Eminem, coming from a battle rapper, and I know about battle rappers, because my guys was battle rappers who I came up with.
Whenever Eminem gets on a record with somebody,
doesn't he shot?
Yes, he bodied Jay
on Renegade.
Eminem bodied Jay
on Renegade. Let me say it again.
Eminem bodied
my brother
Jay-Z
on Renegade. Thoroughade thoroughly it was a thorough bodying
let's get to the task at hand you don't believe that oh no no look at me look at me nigga you
you're gonna say that Eminem didn't body Jay on Renegade I always looked at it like a great record I just always know fuck you
hold on drink champs people let me allow me to say this fuck you tell me exactly
who body who on Renegade sometimes I just don't look at it as an artist No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know look at the lyrics more time on the lyrics first of all I'm going to use a big words
Jay you I said you had to say J or M over in the game versus verse for verse I
look I love the record You love the record You can say it as a fan
You can step back
You can ask me
I love those niggas super ugly
And I'll say Ethel
We don't want to talk about that
We're not talking about that one
Listen
Nah
See
See
See
Listen
When Eminem gets on
Hold on
When Eminem gets on any record
With any rapper
Fuck
Just forget Jay Z
No With any rapper He Fuck, just forget Jay-Z.
No.
With any rapper.
He annihilates them, yo.
He does.
He does. No, no, I'm not arguing that.
I'm going to give Eminem
a blessing.
I'm not arguing that.
I want to give Eminem
a blessing
to show that I fuck with you
and that I never meant
to beef with you.
Rule never meant
to beef with you.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Never.
Talk that shit.
That was mad beef. Yeah, it, absolutely. Never. Talk that shit. That was mad.
Yeah, it was beef,
but that wasn't real.
She was 50, he's real,
and I know he's with 50,
so all good.
You understand?
But we never harbored any bad feelings
towards Eminem
or Dr. Dre.
And if we did,
I'm a truthful nigga.
I would say it.
I would be like,
yeah, fuck that nigga
or whatever like that.
But nah, I liked Eminem. I liked Eminem and I love Dr truthful nigga. I would say it. I would be like, yeah, fuck that nigga. Or whatever like that. But nah, I like Eminem.
I like Eminem.
And I love Dr. Dre.
Dr. Dre influenced me as a producer with his words.
Just with him talking, I was influenced.
So I love Dr. Dre.
I love Eminem.
I hate 50.
And it got all tangled up.
So, but here.
I'm giving Eminem a jewel. And I please. If you use it, but here, I'm giving him a jewel.
And I, please, if you use it, I don't care.
I don't care.
The whole thing is coming on audio.
Listen, I don't care.
So if you're listening, please just listen to what I'm saying.
I said this to Jimmy one time, to Jimmy Ivey one time.
But Jimmy was looking at me.
He thought I was crazy.
And he's like, I can never say this to him because he may hate you.
Right? Okay, I get it. Right? But here, I can never say this to him because he may hate you. Right?
Okay.
I get it.
Right?
But here, I'm going to get it out to you now.
Hopefully you'll listen.
Eminem should come out with an album called Features.
And he should do an album where every song he just is a feature.
And he does it With another
Hottest artist
Verse for verse
And he just kill
Every nigga
You understand
Just kill everybody
Because M
He's a battle rapper
So when he does
A record for himself
He may try
Different creative things
Or whatever
But when he's on a record
With somebody
He goes in
I'm gonna kill
This motherfucker
Right now Right I would love a record With him and DM goes in. I'm going to kill this motherfucker right now.
Right?
I would love a record
with him and DMX
because DMX
has the same mentality.
Oh my God.
That would be amazing.
He should do a record
called Features
and in this record
he should just,
don't even produce it
or you produce
a couple tracks
as I know you'd like
to produce
and get you produced.
Don't produce it.
Right,
don't produce it
and get it off.
But,
do a record with all of drake well he already bodied drake on the sprite shit just to speak honest
on the sprite on on that record with everyone on it did he body him he did he did and you know what
pissed me off you don't piss me off in that video you don't piss me off you pissed me off in that video
You don't piss me off the white boy had all the niggas behind him spin this first. I
Wasn't a part of that story And all the goals behind him Spinning his verse Like a nigga Like a fucking nigga
Like I was like
What the fuck is going on?
What the fuck is going on?
Yo, if you don't give it to Eminem, bro
You fucking up
I give it all the way up
You talking about me?
Or you talking about the crowd?
I give it all the way up
No, not you, bro
Because Eminem is my nigga
Em, Em, Em
Just on the specialty project
Hold on, hold on
Em, Em
On the specialty project Please, please, please My name is my name. Just on the Specialty Project. Hold on. Hold on. M on the Specialty Project.
Please.
Please.
Please.
Just do a record and just get everybody on it.
So why did y'all go wrong with Eminem?
Where did that happen?
Why did that even happen?
Because I can tell you, you're really passionate.
He was with 50 shitting on us.
God, he got Bacardi in his body
Oh, you can't be mad at him for me
I have love for him. I swear nothing that's though. I respect him
And I got love for him but Joe it just it is what it is this fucking idiot nigga involved him and drag
The idiot nigga had had fucking him and Dre like Dre. Hey, I'm gonna give y'all Joe. I'll give y'all Joe
Dr. Dre was on the cover the sauce with the gun to his head. Remember that? Yeah, I believe in that
Feature with him talking He said A lot He said yo
It's not that producers
Want to make whack shit
They just don't know
How to get what they got
In their head
To tape
When he said that
I said that's me
Cause I can't play
So if you know
Irv Gotti
In the history of Irv Gotti
When you look at Irv Gotti
It was produced by DJ Irv.
No one else.
No one else.
It was just me.
Sampling, putting shit together.
But when he said that, I said he's right.
Because I have other shit in my head, but I don't know how to get it to tape.
Because I can't play instruments.
So then after that, you've seen Irv Gotti produce Irv Gotti and Seven.
Irv Gotti, Ching Santana. Irv Gotti, Lil Rizzy. Irv Gotti produce Irv Gotti and Seven. Irv Gotti, Ching Santana.
Irv Gotti, Lil Rizzy.
Irv Gotti, Red.
It was other people, because now they knew how to play, they knew how to do things that
I can't do.
So then that's when the records became bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I made some fucking big records.
Yes you did.
Even you hating motherfuckers, I made colossal shit.
Yes you did. Yes you did.ers. I made colossal shit.
Yes you did. Yes you did.
I made colossal shit.
I used to come to the studio like this one book.
Yeah. I was high.
I was high. Yes.
God damn, let's make some noise for everybody.
Get up.
Everybody take a picture, yo.
Come on, take a picture and drop.
Drop first, we're dragging. Alright right, Rasta, did we good?
We're doing good, we're doing good.
A lot of shit.
Yeah.
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