Drink Champs - Episode 104 w/ Busy Bee & Capone

Episode Date: November 14, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys celebrate national hip hop month with the chief rocker Busy Bee along side Capone (of Capone-n-Noreaga). The guys talk the early days of hip hop and a lot more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make some fucking noise. And right now, we have a pioneer. We also have Capone in here. I want to bring him up. A pioneer as well. And Capone is the guest host. Because the other guest host that we had tonight, I wanted him to be the guest host. But now we're switching it up, so now Capone is going to be the guest host. And right now, we have a hip-hop pioneer.

Legendary. Legendary. We think of yes a money right Godfather's a right there's certain golf all the same he's not a godfather he is a father of it and this is busy motherfucking down tonight also who we have in the building I want to be clear. We have a person who has four and a half mics, who has platinum and gold albums.

He's a part of the best group ever. His partner is the best name ever. We got Capone from Capow. We got Kapow. And we love both of y'all. I'm getting toast in the night, baby. Yeah, both of y'all. Listen. That was slick.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah, bro. Hold on. It shouldn't happen. Bring that mic. Oh, bring that mic. I don't want them to share a mic.

Can they get another one? You got it? You got it? I'm ready. Don't take it off. No, no, no. I want you to talk, whatever. Yeah, y'all. You got to relax. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're not a legend like Busy B.

You got to relax. This is a real Bronx nigga over here. Tonight, Busy B. We will be here for people like Busy B. Busy B. Busy B. What's happening, man? Let's take it from the beginning of hip-hop. Alright, let's do that. Because you're from the Bronx, correct? Yep. Don't doubt. Where out in the Bronx? I'm from the boogie-down Bronx where all this shit really started from you know, I'm saying boy street

So let's all small Boston Road Prospect Avenue 10 Avenue Union Avenue, you know stuff like that What a grandmaster flash was doing this thing Mellie Mel theater C dealer was a little kid at this time You know I'm saying so I must say, you know Yeah The Grand Wizard theater was where was he was a little kid at this time when Grandmaster Flash and Mean Gene was rocking and they had only three MCS at this time they had Melly Mel Kid Creo and Keith Cowboy so it was just a handful of MCS it wasn't

no bunch of MCS you know what I'm saying there was no solo it was a lot of DJs right for the DJs at the time right it back then it was more classier, more fashionable to be a DJ. Well, the MC was promoting the DJ. Right, because today there's no more MCs. The MCs came with the DJ. You know, I'm MC that and this DJ, blah, blah, blah. The DJ came with the MC. Today you just got the MC or you got the rapper now, put the CD in, make the music and he

gone. He eliminated the DJ so you don't have to pay him. You know what I'm saying? And I'm on my own. But see, so the MCs is dead. You have the MCs and the DJs, and you got rappers. So I go with hip-hop. What's the difference between MC and a rapper? Oh, well, the MC came with the DJ.

You know what I'm saying? I'm MC Blas, and this is DJ Blas. Because the DJ wasn't talking on the mic, so he needed someone needed someone to rep him right and I'll give you a few MCs That's you know, that's still wrecked today. You got LL Cool J with the cut creator. You got DJ Polo and Kooji rap, you know, you got me with Theodore you got Let me see all the MCS with with DJs, you know You got every beer rock himim. Yeah, you got Eric B and Rakim. You know, right.

So, you know, you have that. Right now, you have the new MCs and the new generation coming out. They just got music. And they're just rappers. Well, what happened to the DJ? Right. What the fuck happened to the DJ that made the music? You said it all the goddamn time.

You do. Ain't nobody can front on him. This is DJ Ian Finn. This is my partner. And he hates when a rapper goes on there and just thanks everybody. Because I say we're the backbone. Right. All the guys that made the rapper famous. But we're not going rah-rah.

We're not saying look at us. Because we's the backbone. That's right. And I agree. So, you know, at the end of the day, we need our DJ to help the rapper, and the rapper need the DJ to do his thing too because you've got to promote that. This DJ helped me make this beat to make y'all rock.

You know, here's the crazy shit. I'm so sorry, everybody. I've got two of my partners here. C&E. This is C&E. This is what we call this. This group is C&E. Component of the EFF. It's the other group.

It's the other group. Yeah, it's the temptation group. And the DJ man is in this group. He got the temptation. I have to describe the situation. Earlier today, I seen Busy B. Busy B seen me. He looked at me because we both champagne people.

Right. Busy B came to my room. Let me crack a bottle of shit. Yeah, crack a bottle. Be careful. It's very hot. Is this today? You talking about today?

Today. I'm a champion. Yeah, yo, listen. This is at the. Yeah, this today is I'm on today today Yeah, yeah, yo listen. There's that's a hat to order rap is that order rap the ice tea we build Mickey Benson right? Ali who else we got a bigger one shot did we did it? We did it ice tea Mickey Benson nice team It's a bit and I see busy be walking to the crowd and you had that Vivo Clicquot right and you got and you filled me up That's what I do. I gotta fill you up right now. Okay Oh! And I got the cork. Look, and he got his own cork. Look, look, look, look.

Listen, Mike Booth. Mike Booth was a champagne nigger. We all, Jing Bing, champagne nigger, all was a champagne nigger. We all got the cork. He killed that. He killed that. Okay, so Busy B, let me ask you a question, right? Right.

Right now, these brothers, the new generation is out, and they don't want to do their history. They don't want to know who you are. They don't want to know who I am. They don't want to know who Capone is. They don't want to know who EFN is. How do you feel about that? Well, I don't feel about it, but I tell you what they're doing.

It's just a greed thing. It's just about a greed thing, and everybody is happy that they're being recognized at this period of time in our culture. So at the end of the day, like you said, I might be the father, but then you're an icon. And then they got to respect that because of who you are. And when you do what you do you still do what? You do exactly and then they and at the end of the day they fans They actually fans of what you do because some of them is made up We was born to do this

Our fans created what we do to give us the energy to do what we do So those people some of the new generation is actually being made you know you because you look like a Noriega I'm gonna make you do that you just say these couple rhymes and then that's what it is but then the real MCs stand out I've been doing what I've been doing three long not too long so I go back 1977 before records or before all of that. That's the year I was born, Busy B. You understand?

Make some noise, goddammit. We could have been doing that long time ago. I was two years old. Yeah, no, I was born that year. And all I do is just reinvent myself every two or three years, you know what I'm saying, and keep it rolling to where right now today I still roll with the Snoop Doggs, the Wiz Khalifas, you. You understand what I'm saying?

Smoking good and drinking champagne. That's what I do. Let me just tell you something, my dude. Two o'clock in the morning, I land in Amsterdam. You already know where I'm going. Yeah. Two o'clock in the morning, I land in Amsterdam. The only thing I didn't do was think about how I'm going to smoke the weed.

So I bought all the weed in the world. I went to every weed I had, all of it. And Busy B came downstairs. I'm sitting there, and I said, yo, holy shit. And Busy said, what's up, Norris? What's up, my nigga? How you doing?

I said, I got all the weed in the world. And he goes, you ain't got shit to smoke with that, right? I said, why did I not think of that? And he goes, follow me. And we had asked there. We walked through. I'm following Busy B. And not only did he show me where to is cigars I also got Marlboro

Greens for people who smoke cigarettes if you smoke Newports Marlboro Greens in Europe

is the same exact shit as Newports and this nigga grabbed me I felt like in my mind he smacked me

in the back of my head and said just follow me but that's that's the experience alright here's the deal I felt like in my mind, he smacked me in the back of my head and said, just follow me. But that's the experience. Here's the deal. Here's the deal, Busy B, right? What it is is that experience, I was proud to follow you.

I was proud to ask you for help. I was proud. Do you think this new generation isn't proud? Because I am to be the busy bees right to the asap rockers to the little right uzi verts right do you think that they're that they would do the same thing that i did with you because i was i was i know they don't i know they won't because i mean they still think that they came into this game and that's why you know i i put together my own you know like you know i follow the millie Mells and stuff like that in hip-hop. And I say, and I always wear black, and I always will

because I dress up for their funeral rules. And now heads will roll and rappers will die. And whoever won the battle, I will give them a try because I know I'm fresher. I was born to never be lesser. It's more than a record and a show to me. I came here to set the world free from around the waves. Back in the days, I got beat so you can get paid.

I made this a job, you two-bit slobs. Now you don't have to work, learn, steal, or rob. You got a little bit of fame and wealth. Now you think you did that all by yourself. I am you, but you ain't me because I didn't start rapping till 2003. I just try to let them know. Let's all say it together. We ain't killed that. So that's all, you know, I let them know, you know, I've been doing this for a little while.

Respect the culture. Just like when you're smoking weed now, you know, for the new generation smoking weed. You have people that's 60, 70 years old been smoking weed. Call it pot, marijuana. Before y'all start calling it loud and all that. Respect those people that smoke that weed because they was doing this before you even got it. So the legalizations came into this planet. And this is reason why i'm sorry to cut you off this is the reason why i love what we're doing today because there was a brother that walked in here and um now uh uh

earlier today i was doing a show and a brother walked in here and said so when you're gonna have more pioneers on your show and i said said, do you watch my show? And he said, yeah. And I said, is KRS not a pioneer? And I start naming names. And he insisted that, you know what? You're right, Norrie. But at the same time, you're wrong.

Because I want the people that came before KRS. He wants the Herks. He wants the Herks. He wants the busy bees. Those are the icons. Y'all won't be considered the Herx. He wants the Herx. He wants the busy B's. Those are the icons. Y'all will be considered the icons. No, but I appreciate it.

I appreciated what he said. I appreciate it because he wasn't hating. He was just like, yo, look, Nori, you guys based it. Because we don't interview anybody under 30. If you're under 30, you got to relax. I'm a double nickel. I ain't afraid of my shit. I look good in the muscle.

What's a double nickel? That's 55? 55. Goddamn. And you looking good out here. That's what I'm saying. Goddamn. Again, again, again.

I drink grapes. And I see Busy B not only in Amsterdam, but we've seen some in LA. I'm in LA. Right. We at Roscoe's. And he's out there in Roscoe's. Right. And you still looking good.

You still smoking weed. Hey, man. I was, hey, in Roscoe's. Right. And you still looking good. You still smoking weed. Hey, man. I drink grapes and I smoke good. Got that. I want that CERN rock. You know what I mean? I don't do the alcohol stuff. I don't do the hard drugs.

I never did in my culture. So I always did the finest grapes, you know, because I always stood around the people that said, this is the rich stuff. I wanted the rich stuff. And that's's exclusive balls right yeah I see yeah just in case you don't know some flash it right here right now I mean mother's gonna know you doing some flash it right right now you as a person that was there in the 80s right you as a person that was there from the inception from it I don't even know what that was in some beginning the beginning so I got lyrics you see any you as being there from the

beginning right when you listen to the music now, are you disappointed or do you understand? Well, I'm not too much of disappointed because some of the guys I do understand. Now, I do have some of the new generation. I mean, if you call like Ludacris new generation, which will be... No, he's not new generation. Well, and...

So where he's coming from... No, okay, okay, yeah. Okay. You know, I listen to some of those. If you're making sense of the Kendrick Lamar's, you know, I can understand that.

He's new generation. When you're just doing that, what they call in Atlanta that crump, or I don't even know, you know, it's just good music. Music speaks for itself.

Right. So if you're putting something behind it, then you got an exclusive. You wind up having a classic. If you take ecstasy, that music is fantastic. Right. So at the end of the day...

I used to take ecstasy, but I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm letting you down right now. No, no, no, no way, no way. No way. But at the end of the day, it's about the DJ and the producer. If the music is right, then it speaks for itself. Because the DJ knows, and then the DJ helps the producer. If the music is right, then it speaks for itself. Because the DJ knows. And then the DJ helps the producer to tell the people, hey, this is what they listen to. But now the consumer became the DJ.

But we can change that. Because he took the DJ out of the equation. But we can change that. Because we're speaking on it now. The DJ is the man. Period. Period. In hip-hop.

But I feel like DJs became castrated in hip-hop. But I'm saying in hip-hop. He's taking his presence. Please talk to him. In hip-hop, don't like DJ's became castrated in hip hop. But I'm saying in hip hop. He's taking his presence. Please talk to him. Please talk to him. In hip hop, don't. The DJ is still the god.

That should be. Now in rap. Should be. Right, okay, okay. I see what you're doing. In rap. He killed that. He did.

One, two, three. He killed that. Now in rap is a different scenario. So like you say when you're driving you stay in your lane you're in hip-hop stay in your lane because you the god and as long as you got an mc that'll follow your rules you still the god and rap is a different scenario because you got so many industries now this is a billion dollar industry hip-hop took over planet Earth. If you're not doing nothing in hip-hop, you're not even making no money. You're either a fast food worker,

a janitor, or doing something that is illegal because hip-hop took over the planet. If you're not working in the industry of hip-hop, taking care of a person like me, or a Noriega, or an MC that's worth that

money, you ain't getting a dime. And I'm sorry to say that, but the hip hoppers and the hip hopettes, how y'all saying? We killed it. You killed it. We killed that. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it is with the whole hip hop, man.

That's all I can say. It's peace, love, unity, and having fun. And we took over the planet. There's no place on planet Earth that there's not a B-boy a break. I got a whole series based on a graffiti artist Something yeah, we don't took over so busy me. Let me ask you like as a person that I would have to call you a pioneer even more than KRS because we had KRS on here We have Big Daddy Kane on here here Big Daddy Kane is coming out soon but was there ever a moment in this music industry where you was

disappointed when you was just like no because okay I never hate it I'm not a hater no I ain't saying hate it because if you're disappointed about something in hip-hop then okay yeah you could be a hater. You might not call it that, but then a guy like me who heard somebody, they'll call it that. Because you guys are older, so they look at y'all like... At the end of the day, I'm not that.

I look at it as... You can critique it. Some people get lucky breaks. Like I said, again, you don't even have to be a rapper. You can just look like one. And somebody can put that money in you and make you say two or three rhymes

that you invented and it happened it happened with Grandmaster Cash and Big Bang Hanger okay let me stop you right there Jermaine Dupri got on our show and said he looked at Criss Cross and said they're rappers

see and he wrote he said he wrote every lyric for the whole Criss Cross whole first album just because he looked at them alright but hold up but he said he wrote every lyric for the whole Criss Cross, whole first album. Just because he looked at them. All right, but hold up. But he said, he's talking about Rapper's Delight, one of the biggest records.

But at the end of the day, even Rapper's Delight, it only lasts six months. If you ain't real, I'm good. Okay. If it ain't real, it ain't gonna last. You understand what I'm saying? Now, you can be made up, Millie for Lillie. If that record didn't skip, y'all be fucked up today I'll be a perfect example of the realness because I go back that far and it's 2017

Right, I'm still standing. To speak on it as well. Let me ask you something. I probably think this is the best question and you're probably the best person to answer this. Does real hip-hop live in Europe more than it does live in the United States? Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. I knew you were going to say that. They respect that.

I knew you were going to say that. They respect our love so much, man. I mean that's about myself. I can go pack the house at 1800 All right by myself To where I didn't know that until I got there and thought see I looked in the crowd I would like the Blues Brothers and shit. So all the people in You know I said, yeah, who else on the card? They said, nobody. I said, what? Just me?

They said, yeah. I said, oh, shit. So, you know, you can't get that right here in the U.S. right now. You know, I'll get y'all, my homies, my friends, they girls, and then we got a pack house. You know what i'm saying but as far as the people that paid that money and came to see and appreciate that respect they're not going to come into america but in europe they'll spend them euros i followed you i followed you in europe for like four months anyway he was out there now come on let me ask you the same question i apologize um because you know this we got we got busy b but i'm Let me ask you the same question. I apologize Because you know this we got we got busy beat

But I'm gonna ask you the same question does hip-hop actually exists more in Europe than in America. I Will have to probably agree. I do But do you think we told you me fans or the culture? Because it might be a different no no. I think the event is... The culture? You're 100%... No, no, no. You're 100% correct

in how you applied that. Right. Because when you said fans or the culture? Right. But let me take the fans away. Let me just deal with the culture. Okay.

Do you remember we went... We was in Germany and the promoter, we just... We couldn't see him for 30 minutes because he went and put up with CNN. The banner.

The nigga went and did graffiti. He did a piece for y'all? A whole piece. A whole piece for us. Access, right? Access. Big up access. So we went, and we worried about our money.

We're not, we're not, we're not understanding what the fuck is this. We're like, yo, where the fuck our bread is at? They're like, it's coming. And he wanted to show us. So he went out there and did a whole piece. All right, I'll throw up. I'm Puerto Rican. A throw up is when you just, a piece is when you, that's box letters.

That's box letters. He did a piece for us. He did a piece. That's me. And me and this nigga's like, what the fuck? That's why he left. Right. You can never get that.

Right. You can never get that in America. Nah, you don't. You don't. You don't. You get fans that are broad, you, and spend time on doing something for you and to come to give it to you, to show you what they do and America I mean guys come to the show they looking for the girl to go home with they heard you

and they gone you know what I'm saying and in the beginning it wasn't like that mmm the commercialized and the industry took over that's why I say now to to this day you can push a button now and we can be millionaires. There's no more discrimination in hip-hop. You can be green, black, purple, whatever, and then say, I'm a millionaire. Because you can press a button. You can go on the internet. You can just be on TV, YouTube right now and DJ and make $10,000.

So I'm saying the hip-hop culture took over. We are the world right now. Yeah, it took over so much that sometimes you don't even know. Because it's just so important every day. I watch CNN and they talking hip-hop lingo. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's all I'm saying.

It's over. We took over the planet. I remember 30 years ago, you had to wear that suit and tie for CNN, and you couldn't talk like that. They were talking us down like, these people here is doing that. Oprah Winfrey is a perfect example. She was fat. She was fat with the Afro and then Baltimore. They talked about her.

She's a billionaire now. And at one time, she didn't like hip-hop. Donald Trump didn't like hip-hop at one time. Yeah, but he was fucking with it. Now he know Lil' Kim. He know us, he know who we are. And now, all of a sudden, he don't know nobody now. Right.

You understand what I'm saying? So, I mean, you know, our culture is strong, man. So, for you being from the beginning, right, did you ever think that we would lose control the way we lost control now? Let me explain what I mean. Because what I mean is um when we were doing hip-hop when mob deep was doing hip-hop nas was doing hip-hop it was untraditional right it wasn't just the way right hip-hop and all that right right but now

we us right we supposed to be who you guys were or who you guys is still to this day. Right. And we can't control these new guys. But you are controlling because look where we're at right now. And some of them new guys can't do this. No, that's right. We're on the podcast live with millions of fans. Tell them, niggas.

Tell them, niggas. With their fans listening to us, right? With their fans listening to us. They listen to us right now. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, we still winning. There's no more losing. We already won, and we winning.

So, now, I do it like this. We want to go to the playoffs to get to the championship. And right now, you're always going to be in the playoffs, Norrie, because you already won the championship a couple of years ago when you was at your peak. So you got your props, brother. Talk that shit, baby. Talk that shit, baby. Talk that shit, baby.

Talk that shit, baby. It's going to keep on rolling. You're going to get money for the rest of your life doing this. I got to. Because as long as you keep telling the people what you're doing and you can show that you can still do what you do, they're going to come see you. And this is the reason why I fuck with you. Because you know why I fuck with you?

It's because after you have 10 years in this game, it's either you're going to get up or you're going to be bitter. Right? Because the thing about it is, them 10 years, you can never, ever judge those 10 years of loyalty. What I mean by that is, if you work for McDonald's and you're there for 10 years, you can take off your McDonald's hat and nobody will ever bother you. Right. But you can do 10 years in hip-hop, and you do 10 years in hip-hop, you can never take your mask off. No, especially if you was good in hip-hop when you came 10 years in hip-hop you can never take your mask off especially if you was if good and hip-hop when you came out when you came out if the people respected you then then those

people growed up just like you growed up they're gonna tell late people your shit my man nori was this shit in fact and in some cases they grow up with you that's right so there it is don't don't never think that you lost nothing nori and you You know what I'm saying? You're still the champion of your culture. You're still the champion of your people. You're still rocking that fly shit. You know what I'm saying? And you're doing what you're doing. So, you know, you ain't Nori.

You ain't Kapo. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean. And you got everybody eating the whole team. Right. So everybody is happy. You know what I'm saying? So you ain't never lost, B.

No, no, no, no. No, I'm thinking all week. When I think about it, I think of the young generation. Because the thing about it is, right, I was fortunate enough to come in the era where we had to respect y'all. Right. We had to look up to y'all. Right. Now this era is.

It's like fatherless children. No. That's what it feels like sometimes. to look up to y'all. Right. Now this era is. It's like fatherless children. No, they got to look at the person who came out two months before them. Right. And then they're looking at saying, that's my hero. Right. And this nigga came out two months.

How the fuck is he here? That's their OG. Their OG is the nigga. Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci gang. This nigga came out yesterday. OG! They OG! They OG! Two months old! It's the nigga! Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci Gang. See? Hey, but- It came out yesterday!

I'm just telling you. That's not- I respect him. I like- first off, I like that record. What's that? Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, Gucci Gang. Gucci Gang. But at the end of the day, they just going to get their run-

I seen the video. I did not watch it. For as long as they going to get it, and then it's a wrap. Such a person like you, such a person as I, 20 years from later, they're going to talk about you. Same as they're going to keep talking about me. You know what I'm saying? And that's the difference.

But do you ever try to reach out to a person from a younger generation? Yeah, yeah. Like who? Give us an example. What's my man? Gucci Gang? No, no, no.

But he's from the South. He did Type of way. That makes me feel. Oh, is that? Yeah. That's Kwan. I like Kwan.

I like that shit. I like Kwan. I fuck with Kwan. And I never met him personally. And he's very humble. Right. But he saw me. His boy said,

Hey, busy B. I left the mess. Cause I mean me, if I like your shit, I'm a find one of the guys in your crew that do know me and tell them, yo, tell them, hey. Okay, so let's describe that a little more in depth. So you've seen him?

Right. I was at BET Hip Hop Awards. Okay. Because I do all the hip hop shit. Yes, you do. I go to hip hop. And you smoke it in every room. That's what you motherfucking right. So I go there, and then I look for the guys such as Kwame,

and find all the guys that I hear on the radio that's right for me, and go and give them their props and let them know, hey, you're on the right track. Keep doing what you're doing. I love that shit. And if you haven't heard from the icons or the pioneers, I'm one of them. Mentoring. And you got my motherfucking blessings, nigga.

And then they'll say, my nigga Busy B. That's what's up, man. I'm one of them. Mentoring. You got my motherfucking blessings, nigga. And then they'll say, my nigga Busy B. That's what's up, man. I appreciate that and that's it. And that's all I ask for, man. Respect. Now, at the end of the day,

when I came up, again, I didn't make a lot of money. Millions and thousands of dollars. But I got 2.3 billion in respect. And I'll take that all day. One, two, three. billion in respect and I'll take that all day.

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and you always smiled. You always was happy. Yeah. You never was bitter. Why is that the case? Because they always say, never let them see you sweat. Never let them see you cry.

Keep a smile on your face. Keep you feeling good. And something always will happen good. You know what I'm saying? So, and here I am right now. I was at the Auto Rap

chilling. And you said, yo, biz. Yo, man, I'm with you on my show, man.

So, I'm right here with you, Polo. You know what I'm saying? Because you know why, you know why so I'm right here you know Polo you know I'm saying you know why you know why I love my father's cutting you off but you know why we owe your generation they owe us but instead of me telling them to owe us I want to show a perfect example I want to show love to my forefathers. I want to show love.

Not just your forefathers, it's hip-hop's forefathers. Thank you, EFN. Talk that shit. Yeah, no, it's all of us. It's drink champs, or none of the shit we do if y'all wouldn't pave the way for all of us. So we want to show love to the people that came before us.

The Big Daddy Kings. Right. The Rock Hems. The Busy Beans. The Chuck Chillouts. Who else we seen tonight? We seen so many people. Brucie B. We want to show love to y'all because the thing is

we don't ever want y'all to feel unwelcome. Well, I ain't going to do it to myself. When I see y'all brothers, even if I don't know y'all to feel unwelcome When I see y'all brothers, even if I don't know y'all I've run up to you hey because I'll be a fly motherfucker sometime They might have seen the beach DVD or they might have seen some say oh, yeah, that's busy You know I'm saying and then I let him know hey, don't love his love man. I'm not no no hate the shit be I Congratulate I appreciate what you're doing. I'm here. Come on. Have a drink with me smoke something Then they say yo be that shit was dope busy B came here. He smoked champagne Smoke that good shit with us and it's cause some of them niggas don't smoke good. They don't smoke good.

They be smoking like a motherfucker, man, but they don't smoke good, man. I smoke good. So now, Busy, I want you to break down the difference from rap and hip-hop. Because earlier we alluded to it, right?

And you said it. Right. Clearly. But I would like you to detail it okay And whoever's speaking back there. I love y'all, but can y'all come alive? Okay, well the difference now because rap and hip-hop okay rapping now everybody's just rapping about what they got Who they fucking how much money they got and and and kind of car they driving. When we started, we was telling y'all stories about just make-believe stories, fairy tales that sounded good to the beat

and made you rock to it, such as the Jimmy Spicers, the Slick Rick, the Rulers, the Heavy D's. You know what I'm saying? People like that would tell y'all stories to the funky beat, and such as myself. I keep smiling and rocking to the funky beat. You know what I'm saying? People like that will tell y'all stories to the funky beat. And such as myself, I keep smiling and rocking to the funky beat.

You know what I'm saying? So right now, they're just talking about what they got, who they get ready to have sex with, how many babies they got. And then at the end of the day, they're going to jail. They're going to child support. You know what I'm saying? They're making the TV just like that. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, hip-hop then was fun with the peace love unity and having fun to now rap is just about how much money a person is getting at the end of the day all you gotta do is make a mistake and then the lawyer gonna take it away producers are gonna take it away you know so you're gonna lose you know i'm saying so me myself again i just like having fun i make my money i take care of my family and enjoy myself, man. That's it, man. That's what it's all about. That's what we came in here when we started.

It was peace, love, unity, and having fun. If you're not doing that, then you're not doing it, man. That's not hip-hop. You think industry divided the culture? Yeah. Like, again, the industry could be anywhere, and again, like right among us, and say, hey, you look like Busy B, man. I want you to do something. You think you could talk to me?

Yeah. And that person's going to say, yeah, because that's an opportunity for that. You know what I'm saying? I can be ready to feed my family for 10 minutes because as soon as they catch on that I ain't really Bus bee and I can't really do that shit busy bee doing because you don't know what busy bee doing because at the end of the day you don't even know busy bee right you know what I'm saying so you know commercialize that money is a motherfucker but at the end of the day I appreciate it all because at the end of the day they feeding black folks're feeding families of the black folks. And some of the white folks is getting some of the money.

You got Eminem. You got Frost. I mean, you got white MCs. They making money, but it's feeding us. It's helping us. It's helping some of our friends. I think Karis One kind of said it the best. I think, I'm pretty sure it was Karis One.

He said, rap is something you do. Right. Well, that's my brother. So, you know, we Parkers. I'm just David Parker was Karis when he said, rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live. That's my brother. We Parkers. I'm just David Parker. That's Chris Parker. And then Kenny. So we like the Jacksons.

We just split up. He on that side. I'm on this side. You know what I'm saying? First of all, let me just say we in Stingrays right now. What's the address of Stingrays? We're 132nd Street, 5th Avenue. 132nd, 5th Avenue, come to Stingrays.

Yeah, we still on 5th Avenue. The best host in the motherfucking world. The best host. He got on Spurs on his shit. Yo, we hear him walking around. He got on fucking cowboy hat. I love this guy. Listen, you got to come out here.

You got to get the whole experience and do it. So now, what's your favorite era of hip-hop, Izzy B? The early 90s. The very early 90s. I didn't think you would say that. I'm going to be honest. I had this question in my mind as soon as I knew that you was coming here. I thought you were going to say 80s.

No, man. Come on, man. No? I can't keep it no realer than what it is, man. I'm not going to front. He said the early 90s. So what groups? So Mark, the early 90s. The Daylight Souls. The Daylight Souls. The EPMDs, you know, I call you a try Yeah shit that shit was fun man. Yeah, see easy in the NWA they changed the whole shit

Because before look before that you said before that I've always said I'm sorry Well guess what is it and when they said knives album and then it was Irv Gotti. And you said, oh, you're not telling me. NWA, they changed the whole shit. Because NWA for me is relaxed. You said exactly the same shit you said. Well, he didn't finish. They changed it.

So I don't know. It might change. You said it. You said NWA changed the whole shit. I'll tell you how they changed it. Because, see, from the East Coast, we were scared. They're not going to use that word, scared.W.A. changed the whole shit. I'll tell you how they changed it. Because, see, from the East Coast, we were scared. They're not going to use that word, scared. Oh, okay.

But we were scared to say, hey, bitch, get the fuck off the record. We wouldn't say that on the record. Easy E and them said, hey, bitch, suck my dick and come on to the party. And people went crazy for that shit. And that changed everything. I want to fuck you, Easy. I want to fuck you, for that shit. And that changed everything. I wanna fuck you easy, I wanna fuck you too. Right, and that changed everything. That was on the record.

Now, East Coast rap now, oh yeah, work, okay bitch, yeah. And now we started that, and that changed everything. So, I apologize, because these people hate me when I cut people off. I need a cigarette. At some point. Cut yourself off right now. I am an ass.

But in your opinion, gangster rap was invented where? On the West. Explain that, brother. Because Ice-T was the first. Ice-T was first. Are you sure? What's my nigga from the Bronx name? Tim Dole. Tim Do-T was the first. Ice-T was first. Are you sure? What's my nigga from the Bronx name? Just Ice?

Tim Dogg. Tim Dogg? Just Ice? No, no. Just Ice? Tim Dogg? Tim Dogg went to LA. Tim Dogg went to LA? Tim Dogg went to LA?

Tim Dogg went to LA back then. But Tim Dogg wasn't doing it before. Tim Dogg went to LA back then. Hey, y'all talking to the icon. I was there. Did you say, nice and smooth and baby talking to the icon. I was there. Did you say nice and smooth? Ice-T.

I feel like the mic should never be around here. Ice-T was in New York. Ice-T was in New York with us back in the day. Okay, hold on. Everybody be quiet. Please, please, please, please. Now, Ice-T was back in us. So, Busy B, listen. You're a pioneer, Busy B.

You're an icon. Right. We've been debating this on the podcast for so long. Okay, and what was that? You're saying that the gangster, when it comes to gangster rap, 100%, the first time you witnessed gangster rap came from the West Coast. Came from the West Coast, and it came from Ice-T. It was 6 in the morning We love iced tea

Your story brother came with iced tea was because he was from the west but he recorded a shit over here on the east Because that's where the vibe was that okay, okay, so I'm sorry So can you tell us what we were recording at that time on the East Coast? We were still recording party flavors. We was talking on reality because you had the Tribe Called Quest. You had Rakim. Rakim was talking to the gods. Peace and love. You know what I'm saying?

So now we was cool right there. So now you had the gods had a little something to talk about. Then you had the regular people that had something to talk about. And then when you mixed the De La Souls in it and uh um potholes in their lawn right you know so so now we have a whole rainbow of culture we have everybody now so far so in this movement so that'll describe the west coast it'll be now now on the west coast you had iced tea that was it then give it about four years because this is like 83 then you got 89 easy e too short came to England you know okay my bad my bad my brother but this scribe the first gangster rap rap you heard in WA so nice tea I see

what's in the morning. It wasn't actually a gangster song. It was just a real story because we knew about Larry Davis in New York. Ice-T said he got it from Schoolie D. Right. We knew about when Ice-T said 6 in the morning police at my door, right away

everybody in New York knew about Larry Davis because that's when it happened. So we threw that in. Oh, you were talking about Larry Davis from the Bronx? Yeah. Oh Ice-T? I never knew that. Okay continue. So you know that little story right there went for Larry Davis what made him famous and known and made Ice-T famous known and Ice-T had the kind of voice now in hip-hop the difference between the rappers when somebody asked me that the difference is voices Okay, and in hip-hop you have strange voice you have to the day your favorite rapper has a distinctive voice facts

So every day everybody want to sound the same you only gonna last six months get your money fast. So let me actually They say some of that is reality rap? Right. Or gangster rap? Because when they say Melly Mel did reality rap first? What came first, reality rap or gangster rap? Reality. And who was the first reality rapper? Because you said the first gangster rapper had to be Ice-T. I would say Slick Rick.

Because he had the story with Lottie Dottie. We won't let the party. We don't cause trouble, we don't bother nobody. We just a minute, so that was for everybody. So the message wouldn't be reality rap? White Lines wouldn't be reality rap? But message is reality. See, White Lines wouldn't be reality rap for the elderly. It'd be cocaine rap.

Because White Lines is cocaine. Let's keep it real. Them niggas was doing coke back then. You guys don't even know what. It wouldn't be reality rap for the elder every cocaine We would everybody okay for that, okay, you say that but la-di-da-di would agree because it's for everybody You know a slick Rick and then you had a London person rapping in America because you never had nobody talk like that. And you had a different, see it's the voices. Pronunciations and all the different. Now 100%, I love to interview people like you, the people who came prior to it. Because here's the deal. Everybody don't sound like me though.

They ain't going to tell you the truth because they don't know. No, no, no. They're going to tell you what they read they don't know no no no what they write relax you got you know where you're gonna relax because we love you busy B and this is your format and this is this is where you got to do but this is a day but tell us the reason you ask the question is the reason why I love the I've met you know our first pioneer okay right we had care arrest he's like you you know, damn near. I feel Karras is a pioneer. Yeah, but Karras is...

But I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's his little brother. He's a pioneer. He's a pioneer, but he's your little brother. But I 100% love to speak to people like you because back then, going to L.A. was a totally different experience right right like they enjoyed you motherfuckers coming out there they said no what they

embraced up nobody shot nobody right then right like switched what do you mean no I'm saying because I see shit was going down in the hood. Yeah, but it was love. But after bitch got killed, we were talking. You're talking about the music club. Yes, that's what I'm saying. We were talking. Just like he said, before that, we could go to L.A.

And it was still known for you to get robbed, whatever. But if an emcee came from the East Coast and went to L.A., you was like the god that day. They appreciated hip-hop. It's kind of like the European thing y'all talk about. The West Coast was appreciating hip-hop. Right, right. Now, after that, you know,

when Pac and Big started the feud, because it wasn't none of that shit. It was just like you said. We can go to L.A. and have a ball. Because it was a different mix. Now, we bought to L.A. and have a ball. Right. Because it was a different mix. Now, we bought some

East Coast girls, we had some West Coast girls. Now, you know, we all partying together. But then when Pac started that

West Coast and East Coast and Biggie fed into it again, it fucked it all up. Because then when somebody died, it was like

East Coast guys was like targets if you go over there and you somebody and you talking that gangster they talking if you got out of there safe then okay good but you didn't have a good time and before then we had a good time in l.a you know what i'm saying wow we had a good time he's a legend That nigga Answered it Exactly the way I wanted to Went all the way Into the real answer

So So Now I want I love you To this In a little bit more details To describe how

Much LA was loved Because Prior to us We used to hear Like New York was just they loved us out there right and I never got to experience that I never got to experience where LA was just so you got the part where you was the target I was the target my first record was LA LA no I'm just saying but, but I never got the experience

where he just described it. What he means is, when it was New York was the birthplace of hip hop. Yeah, and LA appreciated that. LA appreciated that. I went to hoods and went to neighborhoods where some people, I guess like you said, can't go now because it's not good. But back then, I went where people were selling the crack at where the hoods was that

Brothers was on the corners and stuff like that You know I'm saying I was in hoods where they had them to cause they'll jump up and down and stuff like that I hung around with the dogs the pit bulls and shit like that. Why they shooting dice and playing death row It was good it It was love. They would say, yo, my bitch is in town. So everybody put out the grill. It was like a block party. It was like Mardi Gras.

East Coast rapper with no respect and you come in there, person hood? Shit. Whoever ran that hood was like, yo, you good for that day. You know what I'm saying? It was just love. But then after that, you know, even some of those guys, you know, they either went to jail or died or they don't run the hoods no more. You know what I'm saying? Things change, you know.

So me, I roll with it, man. I try to reinvent myself again, do what I got to do, know who is who, respect that. Because me, I'm not the one that go around trying, I'm a boss. I'm just a person. At the end of the day, the boss will say, that person is all right with all of us.

And then I'll get love from everybody. You know what I'm saying? And that's me. That's all I ask for. You know what I'm saying? Let's make some noise for Busy B, god damn it. All right. Get it, motherfucking noise. You're Busy B, goddamn it. You're Busy B, you're a Bronx legend, right? Right.

But let me just ask you, like, why is hip-hop so different from every five years? Why do we change hip-hop? Well, hip-hop don't change. It's just the industry change. You know, see the industry took over some of us rappers, MCs, which like I don't have a contract with a record company today, because a record company can't tell me what my culture do. I'm telling you. You can follow me and still pay me,

but you can't tell me to get up at six in the morning, cause my people not up at six in the goddamn morning. My people are up at 5 in the afternoon partying and chilling. So, you know, they don't know. They assume they know. And then for people who's not real or who's been made up, they got to follow that because they don't know. So they think that's what it is. And then they get in pain. So they think that's what it really is.

So they tell their crew members, hey, this is what it is This is how we get down to when you find out the real shit is too late You too far in you don't talk the wrong stuff You make people mad and you didn't even give a fuck You know what I'm saying? So then you got one-hit wonders that don't last. You have a few guys that make it work. I love the niggas. All the one-hit wonders, those are my niggas.

Right. You want to do it one-hit wonders? I'll be seeing them niggas in the weed spot buying juice. Right. So you got to allow. People not of the culture are running the industry. They're not buying weed, they're buying juice. People not of the culture are running the industry.

Right. And they care less about cultivating the culture that's the bottom line because at the end of the day the person that's giving you that big check they're telling you hey listen i'm giving you this money make sure you don't give it if you give that to your tony that's not going to be good you know i'm saying because they know tony gonna do the right shit with that money you just getting paid and you happy tony gonna take that money and turn it over and do the right shit and that money. You just getting paid and you happy. Tony going to take that money and turn it over and do the right shit.

And he ain't going to need us. You know what I'm saying? So don't fuck with Tony. But go ahead and pay your family. Make sure everybody good. Make sure the kids is good. And you happy with that. At that moment. Because he right. I ain't had no money. I make sure the family right.

Have a few extra dollars too. That's the American dream. To pay the bills and have a couple extra dollars but I mean you know it is what it is I don't hate I once again I congratulate you never knows that's why we love you though yeah but let me ask you the best error to the 90s the 90s you said it you said the 90s early 90s As a pioneer right I wouldn't be a guy doing a good job if I didn't ask you this well come on What is the worst ever? right now Let's make some noise for him saying it.

Why is it the worst ever? Because nobody following now. Nobody know what they saying. They just following the money right now. They not even thinking about what's really real. They said fuck it, it sound good, put it out. It's melody. You look good, put it out. We even some pictures.

You look good. Put it with one of them pretty bitches. And you got It's melody. You look good put it out. We even some pictures Put it with one of them pretty bitches and you got a good melody Right is that it? It could be social media, but at the end of day is still the person I got that money So is that is that it is is it? Nowadays is just off like a melody and a look. Yeah. Yeah Because the real shit is underground. We the ones that's looking for the real people underground. We looking for that diamond in the rough.

And then it's not even the diamond, because they coming right at us. We just have to have time. And then you still so busy. You see, that's how busy you still is. You can't even see the diamond in the roughs at times. That's why they call them the diamond in the roughs Because they're hard to find When you're looking for them One, two, three

He killed that You're a busy bee, man Let me tell you something You're a pioneer I'm trying to roll up And let me just tell you something Let me just tell you something When we started Hold on, hold you something. When we started...

Hold up, hold up. Everybody relax. When we started this podcast, we started this, and we wanted to do something for our pioneers, for our kings, for our legends.

Well, you did something for me. I'm happy for it. No. You know. No, no, no. Nigga, we needed you. Okay, well... We didn't want you.

We needed you. Well, the spirit brought me right here. Yeah, because you're great. You know We always bump into each other we don't have to call each other none You're a great guy, and why don't people salute our legends the way rock and roll gets saluted? I really can't answer that one question, because I'm still trying to figure that out myself. The internet, man. Because, you know, I've been inducted to the Hall of Fame, so they say.

But then it's not recognized as. I am the hip-hop's first solo MC. You know, when I came in this game, it was no solo. It was three MCs. You had Grandmaster Flash with Melly Mel, Kid Creole, and Keith Cowboy. Then you had, if you want to use band body, he had Mr. Biggs and MC Glo and Pow Wow. There was no solo MC.

And for me to be that, I didn't have a friend to say, come on, me and you, Tom and Jerry, or me and you, Starsky and Hutch, you know what I'm saying? Let's do something together. So I didn't have that. But I liked it, what they was doing on the microphone, so I know I can do that. And then, again, I have that distinctive voice

that people remember. Because, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, they still remember that ball with the bob the dang the dang diggity diggity shake the boogie to the bang bang boogie to the ball with the ball so that that went from 77 it's 2017. yeah you understand what i'm saying and it's see and this is where I got my props, in 1998, from when I made the record. The original record was called Making Cash Money on Sugar Hill Label,

but then Kid Rock re-indict the song, and he used my ball with the ball, but then, and we sold 11 million copies, man. Oh. You gotta say that again. You gotta say that again. You gotta, I'm with you. Kid Rock. Say it again, say it again. So gotta say that again. Kid Rock.

Trump told me Kid Rock. I made Kid Rock a household word. Make some noise for Goddamn Busy P. Goddamn Busy P. Kid Rock had two albums before on Warner Brothers. He had two albums. It sold 60 units. He made a little noise.

But when he did The Devil without a cause and then my song Was the main song I mean it proves in the point certified. I got a I got a diamond out that up Oh, I've never went down. I just I'm gonna throw it near diamond. Let's make some noise for E.D. So Kid Rock became a household word off of some black ghetto hip-hop shit. But that let you know that even if he had to sample that, he had to know about it. Right, but he came to me. Hold on, hold on. He came to me in 98.

I was in L.A. doing the Wild 98. I was in LA doing the Wildstyle. I did this movie called the Wildstyle. And we was doing a reunion. And Kid Rock was there. And me, I was on my star shit. The white boy came up to me, yo, Busy B, yo, I want to use the bar with the bar. I want to put it on the record. And I'm on my star shit.

I'm paying it no mind. Yeah, go ahead. Put the shit on. He said, nah, B, I need you to come. I want you to sign so I don't be in no trouble I said man fucking if I make some money then fuck it. You know you came to me I want some goddamn money. He said hey be okay. I'm gonna treat you right man if it's you and then all of a sudden 99 I heard the song I was in the cab doing the red. I'm gonna do a podcast you say shit

Oh you did He did me right I'm gonna do a podcast you say shit all you did he did me right I'm rich shout out to grab off for that right so you shout out the kid rock because he definitely kept in here he's on it unfortunately he's in the trunk the. Unfortunately, he met Trump. The most important part, he kept his word.

He definitely kept his word. I told him, I said, yo, just go ahead and do this shit, man. If we make some money, I'll call you, motherfucker, and you hit me off. He said, be okay, no doubt, no doubt. Because I was in my star shit. I was doing wild style, you know, and I was all my shit. I'm smoking and drinking. Yeah, get the fuck out of here.

You know what I'm saying? You got to relax. But the shit blew up. And then I was doing a podcast. I was going to 88.9 in New York with me, Dale. I was always good to do the same shit. And I was in the cab, and the song was on the radio, and all of a sudden I kept hearing,

ball with the ball, and I'm singing along, right? And I said oh shit yo I know it's all you know as many copies at that point in time It was already a million copies with million point five and i was like oh wow and then time went on when i got the plaque it was 3.5 so i'm like oh and then i finally got a check i got it 100. My first check was $75,000. That's nice. That's nice.

And I never, through hip hop, I've never received a check over $10,000. That's real. So when I saw that, I fell to pieces because I know I don't have a bunch of kids and I know nobody going to get none of this money. So it's going to work for you. Right. Me, my wife, and you know what i'm saying and a few of my friends and shit like that right so i didn't have no kids i had two daughters and i was here so i was cool

with that and and i went on with that and then after that time went on and they said b well it's still climbing and this is like 2002 i'm like still climbing damn what the fuck and then Kid Rock was blowing up you know if he was on TV every fucking way and every time he performs he's getting a check and I'm BMI so my shit is real like he performs it today you get a check so then when he did that like after a while, I just forgot about this shit for a while. Because it wasn't my shit. I seen him on TV. I was happy.

And then they hit me with $75 million. I said, what? I said, that's more than three platinum. And they said, AB, y'all own almost a diamond. And I didn't know what a diamond was. Well, a diamond is $10 million, right? $10 million. $10 million. $10 know what a diamond was. Well, a diamond is 10 million, right? It's 10 million. 10 million.

10 million. 10 million is a diamond. The only person that was 10 million was Hammer, Shaggy. Shaggy did what, what's that shit? It Wasn't Me. It Wasn't Me. It Wasn't Me. It Wasn't Me.

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diamond. So I'm like, wow, we're almost there. So that's cool. And out of that, I'm going to see damn near half a million dollars. I said, what? And I just went, you know, as time went on and then we was 11 million. That's the point of the story.

That was the point of the story. And that Kid Rock is a real motherfucker. He kept his word. We can And that Kid Rock is a real motherfucker. He kept his word. We can't say Kid Rock is a real motherfucker. I'm just not saying, not based on that. He was trying to run for senator or something. No, he's on some crazy shit right now. But for that situation, he's doing it all.

The thing is, he did represent, but at the same token, it was like Biz didn't know, he didn't know right how far it was gonna go right but he did keep it real and this is what i say about takumo d i go back to kumo d because kumo d started that bullshit in 1988 yo busy b uh put the bob to the Bob bullshit on hold. I put it on hold. I put it on hold until 1998. And then I bought it back out, and I sold 11 million copies.

You're still going. Now, I hit Kumo D back with his shit. Because Kumo D made a song called How You Like Me Now, right? Okay, hold on. Because you gave me the alley-oop. Okay. You gave me the alley-oop. How did this shit start with you and Kool?

He was jealous because I was getting money. I was a fly motherfucker. He was with the Treacherous Three. He wanted to be a solo MC. So in order to do that... Wait, wait, wait. Because y'all was down together at first? No, hell no.

No, he's saying he wanted to be solo from his group. Right. Oh, okay. Because they had to split that money, man. They made $500, man, three motherfuckers, man. See, I was the highest paid. They got it or not. See, back then I was the highest paid because I was a solo MC.

So if I made $500, I made $500. You got to remember, you got the cold crush, the cold crush four. They made $500, I made $500. You got to remember, you got the cold crush. The cold crush is four. They made $500. You had the funky four plus one more before they made a record. I'm just saying, though. So I'm performing with these groups. While they're getting checks, and they see me get my check, they going to White Castle. Yeah.

I'm going to Beefsteak Charlie. Beefsteak Charlie. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm saying? You know, we have the Beefsteak. And then turn into Sizzlers. And then it went on to Applebee's and all that other shit. You know what I'm saying?

But I was eating good. I was doing it like that. Hold on one second, Busy B. Yo, Rob Love, you're live on the podcast. Happy birthday. Yo, Nari, what up? You're live on the podcast. Where you at, Rob Love?

That's Rob Love, Def Jam? Oh, that's my dog. That's why he called. What's going on? You on Houston? Yeah. I have no idea why you on Houston. You got to come uptown.

Stingrays. We over here with Busy B, nigga. I said, I'm over here with Rob Love. You know what Busy B said? He said, Rob Love from Def Jam, you got to come over here with your fake Def Jam card. Yeah, Stingrays. Yeah, Stingrays, come through. Happy birthday, Rob Love.

We love you. Hey! Rob Love Scorpio like Busy B. On your way. Let's go. All right. One love, nigga. You know, him and Puff was the only niggas.

They had the gray shit right there. The gray shit. The gray part. I went too far. I felt like I went too far. So Busy B. Mm-hmm. Hip-hop has grown so much.

Right. You've seen it from its infant stages. Is there anything that you could say, you know what, if I could do it over again, I would help change this part of hip-hop. Yeah, I would try to keep the corporate people

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that found that guy saved his job because he was about to lose it because he wasn't creative enough to find out something commercialized

to make us some money. So he found the fake rapper or he found the real rapper and put him on TV and made him some money. Now, again,

I'm not mad at that. But real is real and that other stuff is what y'all want to call it so separate that too here here is a real mc for hip-hop celebrating coca-cola or sprite or or sony whatever the case may be or here is a guy we found that looked good. Blasey Blasey. Separate that. Let us know, because hip-hop is strong, man.

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where they came you think that like rappers or musicians think that rappers or musicians will make as much money as they do now? Yeah, because the talent speaks for itself. Music speaks for itself. You got Stevie Wonder records, Ray Charles records that y'all still rocking to today. James Brown today. They made them 40 years ago. Some of them are older than y'all. So it speaks for itself. The talent speaks for itself

Authenticity laughs, you know the fake stuff don't last it'll last two years three years If you're lucky then you get given something and then it's over That damn I'm 77 y'all it's 2017 I'm 40 years old I was born a son with Snoop Dogg in 1980 I was Liberty clubs, I'm gonna tell you something about you yourself busy be I Seen you everywhere. Different countries, different states, different properties, different cities, different whatever. And you're always happy. And you always got the weed, too.

Hey. You always got the weed. You're always happy. And in case you don't understand how important you are to the culture or important you are to hip-hop on point you are I'm gonna tell you tonight and we're gonna tell you in front your face how much we fucking love you how much that anywhere I see you I drop whatever the fuck I'm doing I'll give you a fucking hug. No doubt. And I'll let you know I love you. But in case you didn't know that

or you didn't understand how much hip-hop has to sit down and bow to you. Literally, everybody that's doing hip-hop from A Boogie to Jim Jones to whatever, when they see you you they should literally go like this and if they don't i'm gonna do it for them right now but that's what it is man i mean at the end of the day again that's just respect i respect that and and all i can do is just keep going no but you're hip

hop royalty that's what's up and the thing about it is if we should all bow down to you every single time we see you because you don't ask for your bow down right you don't ask for your respect you just sit there and you show love to every I see you I watch you show up to everybody Regardless, that's what I do, but that's not tonight tonight Is we show a love to you? Good God with diamond. That's what's up He's still getting k-rock money This thing, listen, man. You gotta be respected.

You gotta be saluted. You have to be. Because in every other genre of music, when a person gets old, or a person has a certain amount of years, they salute them. Right. Hip-hop is the only genre,

the only generation, when you get older, and these motherfuckers say we got oh well we got this guy yeah this guy right see there it is i want to change that okay that's what this podcast is about that's what this this shit is about is like yo let us let us salute us right well could we do that so they they've been critiquing us they've been telling us yo nobody yo yo why you don't interview new artists and i say they got high 97 right you got power 105 right i choose to interview motherfuckers 30 and up right because i want to interview legends you want to hear the real stories and i want to interview legends. You want to hear the real stories. And I want to interview people that innovated me. Right.

That motivated me. Right. And. No, you know, I come to the Bronx. You a Bronx motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I come in the hood. You know, I'm a Queens nigga.

I be in the Bronx. All these niggas are. I'm a Queens nigga. I be in the Bronx. Right. I be on 157 Girard. Yeah, yeah. Tomorrow.

It's no problem. So we hard block smoking. But. Busy B. Busy B, I don't want you to ever forget or ever lose focus on how much hip-hop owes you. Everything. Your whole generation. That's the only person who paid me is Kid Rock. Hip-hop never gave me no...

You know, I traveled around the world. Hip-hop, they filed people. Stuff like that. They filed for me. You know, I never got no shows and stuff like that regularly, or TV show. Hopefully, Drink Chance, we could change that. We're going to change that, Busy B.

But that's what it is. But Busy B, I just want you to be clear. You're a legend. Right. Capone knows you're a legend. Earfin knows you're a legend. Absolutely. We all know you're a legend. And we're gonna sit here and we're gonna celebrate your life.

We're gonna celebrate your accolades. We're gonna celebrate your accomplishments. And we're gonna celebrate you. And for you being who the fuck you are. And giving your fucking whole life to fucking hip-hop. Right. Because that's the thing. Hip-hop history month right here.

Hip-hop history month. That's right. This is like perfect right now. This is my birthday. I'm a Scorpio. Right this is a day mark right here Like perfect race bus my birthday, I'm a Scorpio Saturday was Saturday We doing it like that, you know, give me give me that give me that time what is that time? Yeah, yeah. That is so fly. That is so fly. I got a question for you, because we beat. How did the battle go with you? See, that wasn't a battle.

It wasn't a battle? It was called a DJ convention. It was the MC and DJ convention. And what year was that? In 1981. And that was like when me and AJ, we did all of those parties back then. We was the one hiring everybody. We was the one paying everybody.

And then, again, there was only a handful of us. We had the Cold Crush. We had The Theatres. The Fantastic Fives. The Force MDs. It wasn't a lot of... Hence, Pioneers. Hence, why it's the Pioneers.

Right. So, and then, you know, you didn't have a lot. So, we used to always give conventions and MC conventions. So, everybody that was an MC and a DJ, come that night original hip-hop conference right and show love for everything and then we have a little contest on the mic and say we do that and that's what that was that's all that was no he came at me because I didn't know nothing about it it was like a ambush. I got ambushed that night by Kool Moe D. Two ways that after all the thing is over and everybody happy and we get ready to party

and then the person get on the mic and say, hold up, don't go nowhere, don't go nowhere. We got one more. At your event. Right. We got one more person. We got Kool Moe D from the treacherous tree want to get down. And everybody, oh, okay, because they know about the Treacherous Three. And then, you know, so Kumo D. So Kumo D get on stage. He's shitting on you. Right.

Hey, y'all heard about Busy B, rock the party. I give it to him. He's the greatest at doing this, this. But I just want to say this about this and this and that. Excuse me, Busy B, but I don't mean to be bold. Put the ball, put the ball, bullshit on hold. And everybody just starts, see, back then, you know, when they say laughing, we be bold put the ball put the ball bullshit on hold and everybody just starts you back There we you know where they say laughing we say oh he's snapping on you

So we say oh shit He just snapped on busy bee crazy and everybody went crazy and then he went into his little rhyme and everybody just went crazy And I'm downstairs. I'm smoking weed and drinking champagne doing the same shit right now And I'm here all the shit upstairs. I'm like, what the fuck? And they go, yo, Bez, oh, shit, yo, Moe D upstairs, he going off on you. I'm like, what? And you knew Moe D or no?

Yeah, I knew Moe D from the church's street. Okay. You know, but he wasn't no friend of mine or no shit like that. You had no idea. You knew all you knew. You had no idea why he was shitting on you? Right, no, hell no.

Hell no. Did you think the promoter had something to do with that? No, no, no. I'm telling you what now. Hell no. No, no, no I'm telling you what happened. He wanted to leave his group He got tired of spitting that money. You want to stand out motherfucker? And you see this You gotta be smiling doing getting money all the time. Right? I was the only I was the highest-paced solo MC He said shit. I gotta try to get some of this

Because he's fat and ugly today You know, I didn't even get to hear the whole scenario. And to the tape, I had the tape the next day, and I'm like, oh wow. So I had to call him back out, to come on, you on the battle now. We going to battle now, motherfucker. We going to go to the Fever, where everybody was at, you know, for the disco Fever. Bring your ass. Was that at Tremont?

Yeah, on Jerome Avenue. Jerome, I'm sorry. for the disco fever bring your ass with that treatment yeah on jerome avenue jerome oh sorry bring your ass to the motherland and let's get down right so and then after that people understood okay you see rocco's back where's cool from he's from the bronx no he's from holland he's from harvard okay remember the jewish you better remember where the jews. Two Pops. Right in that little area right there. It came from there. You know what I'm saying?

So you made them come to the Bronx. Right. So you got to come to Carving. And then take it from there. Right. You got to come to the Bronx now. Because this is where everybody going to be at, motherfucker. All right.

All right. And let's do this shit start from scratch. And then what happened? And then I just did what the fuck I do. You see what I mean? So what was the boss like? When do. So what was the bars like? When you came, what was the bars like? Yeah, yeah.

What was the bars like? When you went at him. What was the first thing you said? The bars? Oh, damn. The bars. That's what I'm saying. Because it's deep.

You went at him. The rhymes. It was the rhymes. I think I began telling him, from the streets of California to the shores of Maine, people there like the way I run my game because I got style and I got class, but I don't pop my shit too fast. Got a Ph.D., got the master's degree, I'm being talked about over coffee and tea, and I float like the butterfly and sting like a bee, and there is no other that rocks like me. And I think that was about the end of it. All right. like me and I think that was about the end of it. That was it.

Keep going, keep going. It wasn't a battle in the armory in 77? No. No? No. No, but you know that also he's involved in one of the first hip hop movies also, Wildstyle. Right, right, Wildstyle. We need to talk Wildstyle.

Right, right. Because that set a whole new era for hip hop as well. Because as you know, I'm a hip hop fan. I. Right, Wild Style. We need to talk Wild Style. Because that set a whole new era for hip-hop as well. Because at the end of the day, you got Fabulous, who is... And you have Blondie in the movie, which is crazy. Right. And then, so I run into people like Fabulous that say,

B, I watched that movie Wild Style. And see, people don't understand. When we was rapping back in the days, after the party, people went home and stuff like that. I came to the parties because, see, you know, we got Uber today. But back then, we had OJs, the Godfathers. Those was our Ubers today. You know what I'm saying? So we could pick out a luxury car called Godfather

Oh cold jack you from the Bronx to get the nice When they called me to do that scene I came in that and they when I pulled up in that they said oh Yo, we're gonna to keep that right there. That's a documentary thing here. So my cab driver made a couple extra dollars. So I said, hey, listen, they're going to pay you a couple of dollars. Stay with me. And back then it was just $20 for one hour.

And I'm riding around in town giving $40. I'm riding around in a limo looking like Hollywood. Anyway, I'm TV now. I'm just trying to play. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to the scene in a limo. So they anyway I'm TV now I'm just trying to play I'm going to the scene in the limos and they was fucked up with that let's keep that right there so you know pull up in that you get in the car put Lisa Lee and all that y'all drink the champagne and y'all stay in the car and talk and that's that's how that scene came in one step fabulous and was saying B that was the

fly shit of them all. And you get to the hotel, you put the money on the bed, start talking to B shit. So they used that as swag back then for me. So they say, yo, that's some fly shit. We started doing that. Because everybody started doing that after they partied. They go to hotels, get some girls, smoke some weed,

get some champagne, and go to the hotel. Because that's what I did in that scene. thought out there my pee was burgundy just now definitely sick in a different way That shit came out looking like that. Nah, I'm fucking with y'all. I don't think you're a scumbag. You gotta relax. You gotta relax. You was way too loud over there. You gotta relax. You don't do the Hennessy shit.

Nah, I don't do Hennessy at all. I'm a champagne guy. That's why we connected. Don't forget that. Because you a champagne nigga. There it is. All the old school niggas, all the old school niggas drink Smirnoff. You only do Syrah, Delio.

You drink, you drink, you drink champagne, so we love you. No doubt. Syrah, Delio, Rose. What you said, normally drink flowers, give our legends a look. No, listen, listen. I gotta relax The reason why we started this show is we want to give our legends they flowers when they can smell them, right? They they they trees The trees when they get a hell of them and drinks and their thoughts when they can think of them,

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No, but I didn't see it that far in the beginning. I didn't think it was like that. I just thought it was almost something like what our parents was talking about. It's a fade, it's not going to last. You looked at it like that too? No, I didn't. And then because I saw the Pepsi commercial quick. That's right. You know, Mr. Freeze from the Breakdancers, he did a commercial with Pepsi.

And they had a movie called Flashdance. And when I saw that, I said, it's on. I knew it was on. Because if they started with the Breakdancers, they're going to get to the MCs. Right. And they did with Sprite. Sprite made us rich. Sprite made us happy. You know, and then it went on from Sony.ite. Sprite made us rich. Sprite made us happy.

You know, and then it went on from Sony. I like Sprite for some reason. Sprite, they were the biggest, one of the first big sponsors of... And then Gap. You know, they started reaching out. Then Gap got a hold of it. So whoever that was in those industries that was the corporate person that had to make commercials or to make their person some money they came to hip-hop

To save their jobs and to save you don't help us get money, but it saved their jobs So if they was making a hundred thousand a year for what they was doing when they finally found a rapper or a breakdancer Or an MC to help make people make some more money, they probably presidents now somewhere. You know what I'm saying? Now, most artists, I apologize for cutting you off, my brother, but most artists that have been down as long as you've been down, people say that they're bitter, right?

They say that most of these guys... Some of them are. Some of them are. I bump into my my peers yes they are and they have a reason to be bitter do you think no okay because again if I can wait I'm just like you I'm just I am you right together the peers your peers if you haven't just bumped into the right person at that right time or if if you're not running around to chase what we invented to let people know who you are,

then you're not going to get it. Because nobody's going to wake up and say, oh, well, I thought about blah, blah, blah, and call you. But if they see you... You've got to create your own look. And if they see you, and you look like you're supposed to look, because, I mean, again, I'm a double nickel. I'm still happy.

I'm still drinking champagne. I'm still happy. I'm still drinking champagne. I'm still smoking the same shit. I mean, what the fuck? But why? Because, I mean, to be honest with you, your attitude is one of the most beautiful pioneers ever, right? So why are, like, you like to pick up the litter why are you picking a letter like okay I'll do it like this okay hip-hop change when I

will be the Negro League okay not the major league not the major league and you got the Negro League okay I don't only and then I became I would be statue page in the Negro League and now I'm fucking he's a famous pitcher still top grade yeah he was at his top of his prime yeah but he was 40 right Jackie Robinson Jackie Rob was 20 right he was younger that'll be run in DMC for me killed that he came out with the suck one two three yeah I'm sorry to where they said okay we want to make records and put our stuff but you too old cuz maybe I have face shoes stuff on my face and you cut that you learn you look at that all the time that wouldn't appeal to the people as we put on tv for our stuff so these young guys can say the

suck emcee and then they got the leaders with no strengths nobody was doing none of these things till people start where this culture start changing because people start hearing these songs and hearing these people they start visualizing seeing it it was a difference the mtv wasn't showing what we was doing right they got a chance to people start seeing that the beastie boys didn't even wasn't on the radio so they sold a million copies of records how because they was being seen on tv where we couldn't see it. Black folks didn't have cable. So let me ask you a question, right?

That was y'all era of hip hop, right? And in my mind, I could be wrong, you could correct me any time, but then Nas came out with his album. Right. And when Nas came out with his album, in my mind. But we had MTV, we had Yo MTV Raps, we had Ralph McDaniel, we had more rights. But when Nas came, it felt like to me, and I could be wrong, and you could tell me, Nori, you're totally wrong.

But I would love your opinion. When Nas, that album came up, did it change the era? Like, it changed the course of hip- hop? No, it changed the east side. It came back to where the east side... It helps what you just was saying. It came back with the east side to yeah, now you gotta talk that fly shit, that real shit, because this kid here is bananas. If you ain't talking what this motherfucker talking about, then you just making records. But if you trying to be a hit, follow this motherfucker right here. And that's what's happening.

Yo, I feel so hip-hop right now. Because that's exactly the way I would have answered that question. Cut there and make some noise. Now, Capone, you here. Capone. How are you, Capone? How you doing? You got that mic? How you doing, black manone, you here. Capone. How are you, Capone? How you doing? You got your mic?

How you doing, Black man? I'm good. You got, you drink a lot of champagne. You too. And you looking good. And we made you change your shirt earlier. Keep it real. Capone, why you made him change his shirt?

I didn't change it. He changed, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, don't say why. We're not gonna say why. You know why? We got sponsors.

Nah, nah, nah, we got sponsors. Que paso? Come on. You gotta relax. We don't gonna say why. You know why? We got sponsors. What happened? We don't say them words. So hip hop... No, chill. So hip hop. So hip hop. Hip hop gave so much to everybody, right?

What does hip-hop owe anybody well hip-hop don't mean nothing really because I mean does hip-hop owe anybody anything well I doubt it because I've been around the planet and and I'm not in the army never been in the army Navy Marines and I seen all I seen I've been around the plan the only place I haven't been on this planet earth is Russia I've been to Russia me a friend it's not great it was the worst experience of my life okay and I don't want to go no don't go trust me don't go in Africa in Africa I mean everybody say me you got to go but I don't want to go because they say you got to take

needles I'm scared of an ear I'm a bitch you got to get the you got to take needles and I'm scared of a needle. I'm a bitch. Yeah, you got to get the... When I come to the needles, I'm a bitch. So those are the only two places I haven't been. I've been to Australia, I've been to Germany, I've been to London, I've been, you know... I've been like seven places there with you. Right, right. Me and you. So I've been everywhere.

But other than that, hip-hop don't be nothing because I saw the world. To where I can come home and tell my friend, I understand why that Chinese person don't want to talk to you because I understand, I've been to China until Wednesday night. Now I understand where I'm in America,

yeah, y'all got me now, because I say, hey you son of a bitch, give me some motherfucking french fries and shit, and they don't understand me. To where you're in America, you just know shrimp fried rice, and that's what you want. And they're going to serve you that. See, now, when you ask for something different, I say, hey, do you know where Tony City at? I got to go to the, and they say, Shushane, Shane, Shane, hike, hike. And I say, is that that way?

Hike. That means no, motherfucker. I'm going that way. He said, yeah, hey, hey. I'm thinking, yeah, that's the right way to go. That's the wrong motherfucker way to go. So, you know, you learn cultures. You learn shit. One, two, three. He killed that. So when you come back home and you go to certain places, they say, all right, hold up. I'm going to respect everything you want me to do so I get the right shit you know what I'm

saying cuz at the end of the day you ain't trying to listen to what they saying they trying to talk to you decent you still distance you dissing them they hear that shit but you don't hear that shit they telling you so you know you have the bandage so what I know he's talking is 100% the truth because I kid you not, I'm in Amsterdam. I know I said the story earlier, but I went to the bike lane. It was a bad bike lane, so I stopped somebody

in the bike lane, I said, you know where to get cigars? And Busy B came downstairs. And I was stressed he looked at me he said what's wrong little nigga in my mind that's what he said I said what's wrong

I said I can't find no fucking cigars nowhere oh nigga please and he said you want papers cause you had papers he said you want papers

I said I'm a cigar nigga I said oh come on and that nigga said follow me and he and then he said follow me and he and not only gave me right cigars well he also showed me that Marlboro greens new points in Europe right make some noise I said, all right, give me a pack. He said, give me a pack. He started smoking a cigarette.

He said, oh, shit. Give me another pack. Yo, listen, man. I can't appreciate you so much because the thing about it is this. When me and my partner, EFN, started this podcast, we wanted to honor our legends. We wanted to honor our pioneers. We wanted to honor the people that most people don't really look at and say, salute you. And the people that inspired us.

And the people that inspired us. Yeah. So when we have a person like you in the building busy for the fucking beat You're right. We want to salute you and we'll let you know how much you appreciate. I want to thank y'all for the block party Feel right part of the pop that Magnum. Okay, those two those two is going like boo. I feel right part of the family No, we can't pop that. I'm gonna take this to the crib so I can keep that for now. No, you're not taking it to the crib, y'all.

You're dropping that right now. I'm gonna drink that. All right, you take it. I'm gonna drink that with Dwifey. You can't do that. One, two, three. He can't do that. You're not taking that.

You're taking that. You taking those, too? No, no, no, no. I'm gonna take this one. Those two, you take it. I gotta give it to Mike Boone. I'm gonna do. I'm taking that. I'm taking that. You taking those, too? I'm taking this one. No, no, no. Those, too. You take it.

I got to get you with the mic moved. I'm going to do this one right here. Yeah. This is me right here. I'm going to go right back between the white people. But we don't got no more bottles? No. Yeah, we got to take a shot.

We got to take a shot, Deleon. Come on. Let's take a shot. Take a shot. Deleon. Deleon. Come on. Where's the shot glasses?

Come on, brother. You've been looking at me the whole time to make sure I'm good. And the shot glass part, you're not. You're not involved. He did not kill that. We did the total opposite. You're a busy bee, man. Let me just tell you something. Again, I thank y'all, man. And then I end mine like this.

Let's not get it twisted. I am hip-hop and I have always existed. Throughout these physical forms and these new presence in times. Yes. I am still the chief rocker busy beat I want to thank y'all I want to pick up I want to bring up my people zero Minus. I want to big up my people Mike Booth. I want to big up Ching Bing. Because at the end of the day, we didn't know that hip-hop started out in the Bronx, in Queens. Wow.

Right? Because we listened to MC Shan's record. Right. And he said hip-hop started out in the dark. Right. And we said, hip hop started out in the dark. Right. And we thought we really did, did. It started there. But then when we did our research and we realized that it did start in the Bronx.

Right. The only thing we can do as human beings is big that up. Right. And sit there and respect it. Because love is love. It is what that up. Right. And sit there and respect it. It's love. It's love. It is what it is. But let me finish because you know why I want you to let me finish? It's because our legends don't be saluted. Our legends never is looked upon as if they should

this is the problem with hip hop Busy B is when you get old when you get whatever these people

want to tell you to go home right well let's change that me and you can do this I tell you what no we changing it right now right

we changing it right now I got something right now this is what we doing let me finish busy because you know why I'm busy because in drink chips you don't have a fucking age right you don't have a fucking liability that's what's up we sitting here and we fucking respect off the fucking legends that's what we love them. Capone got on a yellow hat. I have no idea why. Just throw that out there.

Just do that out there. For shits and giggles. Right. Shit hard. That's what's up. Yellow hat is hard. Busy meat. Right.

You're one of the pioneers I see everywhere. And you always smiling. You're always happy. You always sit there and you show me love. And if I have a platform where I can give love back, and EFN can give love back, there's no motherfucking way in the history of niggerdom

that I will not have this platform and not show you the love that you fucking deserve. I appreciate that. And you fucking honored. We, on behalf of all of us, because it's C&E. Paul Noriega here, it's C&E, Paul Noriega EFN, C&E, Drink Champs,

Murder Unit, Thugged Out Militainment, Crazy Hood, Crazy Hood, Left Rack City, 57th Ave, Vernon Boulevard, 10th Street, 12th Street.

We all want to collectively come together and say Busy B, we love you. Absolutely. We're going to continue to love you. And tonight, I wanted you to be my guest host. I wanted him to help host Rakim. Wait a minute. But, but. He killed that. He killed that. He killed that. I wanted him to help host rock him. But guess what?

That means that this is not going to end. We're going to continue to do it at Sting Race. What's the address to Sting Race? 2150? 2150. Come over here, my nigga. Come over here my nigga Come over here Say it in the mic

Say it in the mic 2150 We're going to come here In Harlem In Harlem And we're going to do it Because you know why That's what's up

If the people ain't going to respect Our people Guess what Fuck them people And we're going to continue To respect our own people That's right And Busy B We want you to going to continue to respect our own people. That's right. And Busy B, we want you to know, you can come anytime you want to come.

That's right. You can guest host. You can co-host. You can bro host. I'm coming, man. You can do whatever you want. That's what I like to do, man. Because you're going to see the impact that this has when you're on here.

Okay. But we love you on here. Okay. But, we love you Busy B. Thank you. We will never, ever, ever stop loving you. And hip hop has to love you as well. Let's toast to that. Let's toast to that.

Let's toast to that. We toast to that. We're gonna get ready. You're a friend of his ass. I guess that's. No, he ain't. Has one cocaine in his knee. He got to relax.

Hold on. He just took two sniffs, sis. So he got his. Give me mine. Oh my god. Let me get my ass. I feel like I got to relax this one. Go home.

I didn't say anything. Go home. Go home. You ready? All right. You ready to relax. Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. One, two, three. Busy B. One, two, three. Busy B. Busy B. One, two, three, Busy B. He killed that. He killed that.

Oh, that was death. Dillion the best. Dillion, get in that other stuff. Dillion is talking to himself right now. I'm not chasing over with this champagne. With his mixed up champagne. that was something right there. I never did that one. I don't make it.

My mother birthday, pop birthday. Happy birthday to your mom. Hold on, do we got another? Let me shout out to my nigga Swarty D's. Where you at? I'm a Scorpio. Come over here. Yeah, come on. Come over here. Come over here. Let's go.

Yeah, you know, go over there. Right, right, right, right. My nigga, you good? Yeah, right here. Right there? My nigga, I'm on Sporty D's. Sporty D's. I'm down.

I'm down. Big dude, Sporty D's. Rest in peace, Marlon Brando. We love you, Marlon Brando. Rest in peace. Marlon Brando. All right. All right.

Everybody make some noise. Slow. Slow. Slow. Slow. Slow. Slow. Slow. All in brand new, resident green. Everybody make some noise! So what's going on, my brother? Being a part of the legendary group, you were signed to Violator, correct? No. No? We were signed to, initially, Rough House, Rocker Block Columbia.

Right. Initially. And then Rough House dropped out, and then it was Rockablock Columbia. Right. Initially. And then Rough House dropped out, and then it was Rockablock Columbia. So how does it feel, man? Because you're still a hip-hop legend. People, they're going to respect

you. I don't know if we're a legend, but one thing that I want to say is rest in peace to my man Marlon Brando. We salute a lot of fallen heroes. My man Brando. We salute a lot of fallen heroes. My man Brando died a hero. Explain to that. Explain that.

We salute a lot of hip-hop heroes that got murdered. My man died saving a child. God bless mean so he's a hero you know i mean and and you want to detail that exactly how that happened well um so that would be somebody in the hip-hop culture that represented the culture we we i remember i remember with with with tom We remember. I remember. With Tom.

With Chris. Right. You already know. Right. And B-Mall. Right. So at the end of the day, when you say that, that's one of the members of your group. Yes.

That passed away. Yes. Okay. I remember Chris hitting me with that. And so when you say, because he is a member of the hip-hop culture, no doubt, and Sporty Thieves are exactly that. And we shout out that. But then you said that he did something. My brother, he did a selfless act. A selfless act.

Which is super dope. Right. Super dope. Right. Unfortunately, the culture that we live in, right? Right. Took them out for that? No, no, no, no.

What I'm saying is, for hip-hop, right? Right. A lot of people get killed. Right. On the mic. Speak in the mic. It's part of the culture that we live. Right. For someone to see a car coming, push a little kid out the way

and take that hit. Right. That's super dope. Right. That's super dope. Right. You know what I mean? I understand.

I understand. He passed away. We didn't, you know, sporty thieves, cheapskate pigeons and all that. We didn't have a lustrous career, whatever. But, you know, Sporty Thieves, Cheapskate, Pigeons, all that. We didn't have Illustrious Career, whatever. Right. But we have a hero for hip-hop.

Right. And that's what, you know what I mean? Right. That's love. That's what's up. And that's what's up. We have a hero for hip-hop. I love you.

King Kirk was good. Happy birthday, King Kirk. And what I got to say to you, because I feel like you need to hear this as well. You shouted us out on the podcast before when you were talking about the whole hip-hop union and all that, which was super dope, which we need. We need. Well, I want to say it to you in your face.

Okay. Sporty Thieves, you, your whole brother, your union, y'all appreciate it. Of course. That's right. We love y'all. That's right. And we love hip-hop.

That's right. And we love hip-hop. And we love hip-hop. That's right. We love hip-hop. And you know what? What I want to do is to make hip-hop show that they love you, too And we love hip hop. That's right. We love hip hop. And you know what? What I want to do is to make hip hop show that they love you too.

Salute, salute, salute. Thank you. That's what I want to do. Salute, salute. And we also have Rob Love. Rob Love. Rob Love. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on. Hold on. And we did shows together, all that. Yeah. I just want to say, yo, I'm proud of you, my brother. Thank you, man. Thank you so much. I'm proud of you, my brother. Thank you so much.

Salute. Yo, yo. Y'all doing y'all thing? Thank you so much. Yo, we got Rob loving us. And if KC, I don't know. Let me tell you something. Cash, your honor.

Let me tell y'all something. Rob loves. Where you going? Rob loves. Where you going? Rob loves. Puff Daddy. Rob loves. something Rob love is he beat we gone we are taking a baby Rob love puff daddy and my mother yeah has the same fucking birthday so I always text you two days

before your birthday killer season is here I always hit Rob motherfucking Rob love in the building and Rob love when he when he had it, he had it. He was holding us down. He split that. You on the artist tip, me on the promo side. And me on the book side.

We was all in it. We was all in it. I be burning. We love Rob Love on the drink champ side. Thank you. How you feeling, Rob Love? I'm great, man. Great to be here.

How old are you, 19? 19 and a half. And a half. And a half. He's a half older. All right, then. Let me have some of that rosé. Come on, small.

Hey, look, man. Can we do a birthday shot? Of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah be Deleon. Deleon? Fuck my life. Hey, he just said Deleon is good with me. Come on, VFN. Deleon.

Fuck, I look like a Deleon Porter guy? Oh, yeah, that's how I get in? Oh, you're good. You're a really good guy. I got it. I got it. CME. You know what?

I'm not a dickhead. CME, I represent. So did he change his name to Love, huh? So did he change his name to Love, huh? I gotta study your hands. So did he change his name to Love, huh? Did he change his name to Love? I appreciate that. I respect that.

I appreciate that. We on Vogue TV. I respect that. It's in front of you. And look, look, look, look. Hold on, hold on. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.

Hey, buddy. Yo, yo, yo. Yo, homie. Yo, homie. Come on, what up look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, doing it. Give a challenge shot, homie. So listen, let me tell y'all something. Let me tell y'all something. I got to speak. I got to speak. Yo, yo, tell these people out there. They got to relax.

I got to tell y'all something. Listen. Go ahead, Barco. The fact is, we are representing hip- hop every single moment of our fucking show. And hip hop will be represented every single moment of our fucking show. And Rob Love, if we don't represent you, we ain't hip hop. Rob Love, we love you. I don't know why I'm taking another shot. Yeah, it's not the business. Salute. We love you. I don't know why I'm taking a shot

Not bueno It's not good at all. Delio is amazing, but not right now. Sorry. That's not a good face. What's up? What's your thing so far? What you did today? What's going on? Went to the fight. You know what I'm saying?

It was like a Tyson fight. You know what I'm saying? In Brooklyn. It was some real, real shit. You know what I'm saying? It was exciting. You know what I mean? So, Rob.

First thing I did, got out. Let us ask you. Let us ask you, because you know this is industry shit How did you get in the business music business Rob love? First and foremost I wanted to be like y'all I wanted to rap Do you want you got you got rhymes? I got bars One I won't do it. Come on brother I'm busy being I was doing the thing. I'm behind the ropes watching

Sneaking up on the Bronx and I Have you boss you're Brooklyn again you have balls Yeah, but you know there was better bars out there. So I said hey, let me go behind the scenes you know i'm saying i know what the bars will do but if you do it better than i do it i'm gonna let you do it i'm not gonna say nah i'm gonna do it and i'm just gonna be better than you i'm gonna say yo i'm gonna let you do it but i'm do it this way or go or put it over here you know i'm saying and that's how I kind of like caught the bug. And I was like, damn, you know what I'm saying? You need promotion.

Don King in it. And then you need marketing. Then you need a budget. Then you need a platform. Then you need a label. Then you need T-shirts. You know what I'm saying? Put all your dudes in the hoods in T-shirts.

That's definitely the greatest marketing plan I've ever heard just now. He just broke down the whole marketing plan. He broke down the greatest marketing plan ever've ever heard just now. He just broke down the whole marketing plan. He broke down the greatest marketing plan ever. And most of the cast that worked with me at Def Jam, they were all rappers or producers. Skitzle was on my team. He started producing for Dipset. You know what I'm saying? Shaka Zulu was on my team he started producing for dipset. I'm saying you know My team you try to say you did you made that you know saying no, I know I helped it You gotta pass

Tell them you made that, bro. Tell who? You said the dip session? Tell them. No, I didn't make that. The, um, getting together. Nah, nah, nah, that wasn't what I'm doing. Oh. Not at all.

Okay. I apologize. This is awkward. This is an awkward conversation. Just the energy, just the energy of the people that was, you know, saying, supporting the team, you know, you the team went on to do different things. What's your favorite era of hip-hop, Rob? I don't think I reached it yet. He's optimistic.

Nah, he's dope. So you're going to say that when you wasn't running around with Def Jam, that wasn't your favorite era? I think that was my sleep era you know what I'm saying cause you know I was so caught up caught up in the passion of it

you know what I'm saying you know the light wasn't bright enough for me to be awake to see all the business things that were going on the opportunities that could

and the other opportunities no we created other opportunities but you know what I'm saying just like just like hip-hop when people were putting Hennessy and different products into their lyrics

they didn't know that there was a check that they were supposed to get even the people that made Hennessy didn't know why they was you know selling a whole lot of more Hennessy for some apparent reason I wasn't in their marketing plan that shit came from the streets. You know what I'm saying? So once they started evaluating the street, then they said, hey, these street guys are onto something. We need to pour some money into them. And hip-hop started eating everything that was on the market.

All right, let me give you a Rob Love story. And after you, I have a personal question. I'm going to give you a Rob Love. Busy B, come over here, Busy. You ain't got a seat. Give him that seat. Come on. You got a seat.

Look, let me tell you Rob Love, right? I had a record. What record? You're not going to tell us? Homeboy. I came a record. What record? You're not going to tell us? Homeboy. I came to party. I had that record. It's a big record.

And I went to everybody and I played it to them. It was like, that's it. Go. But I went to Rob Law's office. And I played it. And Rob, you can stop me any time I'm lying. I played it for Rob Love. Now, mind you, I'm supposed to play it for Lior.

I'm supposed to play it for Kevin Lyles. But I came to Rob Love's office. And Rob Love said, I played it for Rob Love. You tell me if I'm lying at any moment. And Rob Love said, we going to flex tonight. That's what's up. You stop me from lying at any point. And I said, damn, I kind of played for Lee Orr and Kevin Lyles.

And Rob said, I kind of played for a Leo and Kevin last and Rob said fuck them Is that the point you stop me yeah, I didn't say fuck the check What happened was okay, please'm freaking out. What happened was. Okay, please. What happened was. Okay, please. You know, so, you know, we just did, came off the Grimey tour, and we went all across the country. We shook it up, shook the streets up, you know, it was dark.

And then we came back and it was trying to schedule the album yep right nobody stopped no one was uh scheduling the album and it was like okay and he was because nori was concerned so i'm like yo but what do you got what do you got in your back pocket and he was like yo i got this pharrell record let me hear it so me hear it. So I throw it in. Two seconds later, I'm like, so I called Flex automatically. I said, yo, Flex. I said, yo, no, he got the record. That's ridiculous. Let's be clear. He says, yo, bring it to me. So at the time, now, the station was a little off limits. Because of what had happened. So it was a shootout.

It was a shootout. It kind of had happened. It was a shootout that happened. I have no idea. What had happened was. But anyway, he wasn't allowed to come into the Hot 97. So you were going to shoot out the habit 97. So you were supposed to have it. I have no idea.

I have no idea. Anyway, back on the ranch. So we get to the station. We run out the building, full speed ahead, get to the station. And Flex opens a crack at the door. Like, a crack. Like, yo, give me the record. So we slid it through the crack at the door like a crack like yo give me the record so we slid it through the crack of the door and we went back downstairs so we listening like you know i'm saying seven o'clock comes

mean nothing going on told that shit there's nothing going on so Eno's like Yo fuck that I'm out of here So he leaves Right I said fuck it I'm going to get some ice cream So I'm in Baskin Robbins Getting some ice cream And then

Eno calls me Like yo you know Listening to the radio I was like no why He's like yo You got to turn on the radio Flex Was just talking

For about Half an hour Straight Just telling people I think this is where he probably got the yo if you're on the west side of the highway if you're doing something right now stop what you're doing it was a different wave right even for Flex to announce this record it was so disgusting he was telling his pull over you niggas don't deserve to be driving and still listen to this record i'm sorry yeah

yeah so he he he's like yo i'm not going to commercial so he fucked up hot now he's having money on the advertisement side he's like yo, yo, listen. I'm just going to talk about this record right now. And then he goes, yo, Nori, I need to hold this. So now everybody, you know,

was listening to Flex, whatever he played and dropped bombs on. They like, yo, that shit better be in my inbox. Philly was calling.

Connecticut was calling. Everybody's calling. Me, yo yo what's up with this record? They know 100% because Flex is playing my record and saying, big up Rob Love. So now the heat in the building is on me. No, no, no, that was Flex who threw Rob under the bus, it wasn't me. So the heat was on me for the record, right? Yeah. So when I was like,

when they pulled me in the office, yo, what's up? He's just taking records going to radio. What the fuck? Oh,

boy. You think I can't? No, I didn't. Why? Because the world needed to hear that record. The world needed to hear

what the fuck I heard, which was nothing. Now, that sounds crazy, right? Hearing nothing. But, that sounds crazy, right? Hearing nothing. But that shit was the bomb, baby. Yo, listen to me.

Rob looked at me and said, we got to go tonight. I went and played the records for Rob. And then all the CEOs was like, this is this one. And then Rob Love came to me and said, listen, fuck everybody. We're going to Flex tonight. I said, you sure? Because we had just

got the master back. And Rob said, yes, we're going tonight. Fuck them. And I could 100% tell me and you was both in trouble. We were so in trouble, right and you was both in trouble. Yo, so we were so in trouble, right? We were so in trouble.

I made sure that it was Nori that slipped the record to the track. You know what I mean? So technically, I didn't give it to Flex. Nori did. He definitely blamed it on me. It was my idea but they never ever ever complained about it because it worked and Rob loved it

we want to thank you for that 10,000 plus plays on air on commercial radio it opened up the budget the album was scheduled he went on another tour the money opened up it was

nothing but love. We love you. We love you for orchestrating that. I want to take it down 20 notches. This is personal, actually. A personal question. Oh, shit. It's going there? No, no, no. I'm just saying. It's not that serious. Maybe Ravolt's not going to probably air this part. Okay.

But. Online version. But. Tell him. but but online version but some when when um when you hired us to be me to be the street team manager in Miami for death definitely my brother my younger brother I'm a little older and we born on the same day. And, you know, but... Definitely don't know where this is going. I don't even know where he's going with this. Yo, we was shit.

If it wasn't deaf, it wasn't shit, bro. So, Bad Boy was good, too. I ain't going, you know. But this is my question. Because I've been debating this. I don't know where this goes. I know when... Because I was working the Tommy Boy account when there was a penalty. And when he moved over, he told me, I'm going to bring you over.

I want you to work my shit at Def Jam. But also my homie, rest in peace, Doc Fresh. Yes. And matter of fact, his birthday is today too. That is my brother. Rest in peace, Doc Fresh. Yes. And matter of fact, his birthday is today, too. That is my brother. Rest in peace. And he told me also, I'm going to give you the account. So I want to know, because I don't know.

How did it happen? Was it a combination of both? I can tell you. Absolutely. I'll tell you exactly what happened. But let me just salute Eugene, Doc Fresh, Robinson, and Fat Man Promotion. Doc Fresh, rest in peace. My brother, I love him.

Shout out to Green Eyes. Shout out to DJ Will. No, trust me. Shout out to all the niggas in Miami. And the interesting thing about Doc Fresh, he told me he had a rapper. Fat Man Promotions is his rapper. Fat Man Promotions is his promotion. Fat Man Promotions. He told me he had a rapper that he wanted me to look at

because he knew that he'd be a great fit for Def Jam. And before I can go down and sign Flo Rida, Doc Fresh passed away. So rest in peace to Doc Fresh, Fat Man Promotions. But to answer your question, yes, he said to me, he said to me, he said to me, If anybody has a car parked on Fifth Avenue, they're towing all the cars. This is drink chat. This is the way it goes down.

Cars on Fifth Avenue. They got the marathon tomorrow. They're towing cars. Just talk to me. So let me marathon tomorrow. They're turning cars. Just talk to me. So, yeah. So, let me tell you. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what happened.

It was a combination of Fresh's approval, without a doubt, and definitely, you know, because me and Norrie were so in sync on what was needed to win. If I needed to act, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was a no-brainer, you know? If he was cool and comfortable with you, he was cool and comfortable with me. His people was my people. So that's how it was. So whenever, you know what I'm saying, it was like, yo, who you rock with, I rock EFN done there but let me describe that moment listen that moment was I had that I had

the record I knew the record was crazy I went to Rob loves office and I said Rob and then Leo and everybody, I like to a diversion. But I played it. But now Lior doesn't hear this version. Kevin Liles doesn't hear the version. The only version, horror diversion, is just me and Rob Lowe. So I come in, I play. And Rob says to me, he looks at me, he says, nobody heard this?

I said, nobody heard this. He says, are you ready to go? And I knew he meant we could get dropped. If it doesn't work, if it doesn't work, we can all go down the worst river we ever went down. But he looked at me, he said, you sure you love it? I don't even remember if he actually listened to the record he just looked at me and said this is it yeah this is it flex tonight 100% I did not agree with him at all I But I wanted to be like, yes. I was like, yes.

We're going to flex tonight. And we went to flex. 100%, I never agreed with anything that Rob put together. This is the first time I'll even tell you this. And Rob said, fuck that. If you believe it, and I really did believe in the record. But I didn't agree with going to Flex at that moment. And then this, you have to,

this is the beautiful thing about that record, is Flex played it three times, and you can tell Flex didn't listen to it. No three times when he played it. He just played it, and he just go like this. And then the third time he goes, three times when he played he just played it he just go like this and then the third time he goes hold up Rob Luff, Nori you motherfuckers really got a record and then he played it for three more hours and they all looked at me and Rob

Luff prior to that and said you motherfuckers don't ever come back to the building I got a question for you, you know, wait wait and then after Flex played it 16 times. They say you be in the building first thing in the morning You wish a job on the line for me and I did it every fucking day I walked into that building, man. If I didn't believe in what I was doing, then I would say, fire me. If I didn't believe in, you know, the red man mascot, then fucking fire me. You know what I'm saying?

Like, if I didn't believe in rapping Sean's phantom, then fire me. You know what I'm saying? So all this shit that I did while I was there, I really believed in it. And, you know, and I stood behind it.

But I got a question for you. Alright, this is it. I gotta wrap it up. Okay, when you was recording that record, right, because it's kind of I hate recording.

It's got a double meaning, right? I hate recording. The record is called Nothing and then your lyrics were it was about nothing exactly No, I just thought it was genius No, Pharrell was a I got he got on my nerves

So he told me to do something I did it and that's it. I got a relax Tell me I gotta relax Tell me I am good. Good new single cayenne Happy birthday Rob love appreciated. Speak into the mic, baby. Happy birthday, Rob, love. Thank you. I appreciate it. I love the drink, champs.

No, we love you. We love you. We're wrapping up. Family. We have no idea why we're still here 17 hours later. We've been here since this o'clock. We're doing what we got to do. With all TV, we love y'all.

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