Drink Champs - Episode 105 w/ Steve Stoute & Tone of Track Masters

Episode Date: November 21, 2017

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with hip hop executive Steve Stoute and Tone half of the hit making production team Track Masters. The guys talk 50 Cent, Nas, working with N.O.R.E., Foxy Brown, the future of the industry and a lot more! Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How we all make some fucking noise And right now, I'm proud to announce That we are standing in front of two icons I'm saying they're beyond legendary This guy, one person, single-handedly Changed the way hip-hop is being promoted Changed the way marketing is is being handled advertisement he has finessed it every hip-hop sneaker in the world has to have to have

a connection to him somehow some way and then the other guy is one of the most powerful groups one of the people personally I personally owe tone because after I look at N.O.R.E album I always say damn I should have made Trackmasters executive producer. Because you guys was really there, intricate in that whole album. And that's the album that made me a star. So in case these motherfuckers don't know who we talking about, we're talking about Steve Stout and Tony from Trackmasters. Make some noise! Now, Stout, I want to start with you.

You, they say the origins of your career started with Kid N Play. Is that correct? Yeah, I started with Kid N Play. 90, 91, 92. Okay. I started as their road manager. So, you know, it's been a long journey since then. But, like, they put me on straight up.

Wow. I got introduced to Wiz through a mutual friend. And then, like, that's how I got on. All right. So now, in the beginning, because you said you was their road manager, would you just say? Well, I wasn't even the road manager. I was just, I was the roadie. That's not the rest of the guy who checks in for the road manager. Okay, okay.'t even the road manager. I was just I was the roadie Mmm, that's the that and that's not the rest of guy who checks in for the road man. Okay, okay

Let's make some noise for humble Case I still don't know what that is. It looks fantastic. What is that? Japanese whiskey just knows about that. What is that? Oh, this is no no no This is opening Oh my god Just know about that. What is that? Oh, this is no no no no no no no this is Part of this, you know, just like I don't want to hold back nothing, honestly. I want to get into this really, really deep. I got tons of questions. I'm checking your journalism skills. I got tons. I got tons.

I've been hiding this tea club for a while. But look, you had a video on the internet recently that blew my mind. I think I called you and I told you I had a great idea. Because you were in Italy, I believe. You were in customs, right? And these guys were trying to get you to pay for the wines. I didn't understand it. It was Italian wine.

I was bringing it back home. They were charging me. Right. But the crazy thing was, I was with a couple of my friends, and we was Googling the actual bottles that you had. And this is some exclusive shit. Like, I felt like, I said, yo, this is rap class. Like he's literally, like I went, because I spent money on alcohol and I literally don't know what I'd be doing.

Like just, and these were particular types of wines, right, Stout? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Describe that. Well, I can't remember what it, I had an assortment, I was going on vacation. I had to stop, had a business thing and then I was going on vacation. I had to stop Had a business thing and I was going on vacation afterwards and I just wanted to have

In case I got thirsty. Just some some expensive wine around. We get it. Actually, it's what I drink on a regular basis Now I'm gonna drink like that's what it just goes there like everything else like, you know, you don't smoke the same weed you used to smoke no yeah there's no no no no right everything just keeps changing right so that's what it was and uh they got they're flavored over there in customs anyway they just hit you with some wild italian shit and just want you to just write a check to leave you scared and shit because it's italian yeah but i'm like it's italian wine i shouldn't be painting customs on this. Right, right. I'm bringing it home. Okay, now tone.

What up? You was red hot tone, right? Lover. Red hot lover tone. Red hot lover tone. So you had, did you start as an artist? I started as, I started as an artist who couldn't find a producer. Wow.

So I started producing my own music. Wow. So then I became a producer and then went and did the artist thing after, you know, I produced a couple of records. What do you enjoy more, being an artist

or being a producer? Producer. Producer? Yeah, absolutely. I remember one year, Tom, this is right after I believe it was written, and I came to you

and I asked you, I said, Tom, I want a commercial record. And you said, absolutely not. Yes. I might have word want a commercial record. And you said, absolutely not. Yes.

I might have worded it radio record. Right. And your exact words was, nope. He said, yo, I feel like, all right, Nas was a star from Illmatic, right? He was a star, but he wasn't a superstar. Right. Then after he worked with Trackmasters, arguably that was his moment of superstardom. And I felt like at first you didn't like that because it kind of made him commercial a little bit.

Or how was that feeling? How did you get the merch? We got you. I didn't even know there was merch. I like that. Okay. We don't know how long this is gonna last. Yo, Mr. Lee, can you pop this for me, brother?

Be careful, you know your style, you're not that good. So, yeah. So what's the question? It was Nas, because at the time, like I said. Why didn't you tell him no for a commercial record? Yeah, you remember saying that? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm glad he did.

I remember what you said after that, too. You want me to tell you what you said? Yeah, tell me saying that? Yeah. Absolutely. I'm glad he did. I remember what you said after that too. You want me to tell you what you said? Yeah, tell me what I said. You said, Nas was the king of the hood and people, they mad at me because I gave him these records and he said, right now you're the prince of the hood and I'll give you all the hard records in the world. You gave me NRE.

You gave me all the hard records in the world, but you were staying away from like doing, but you allowed LES to produce, I think I had a record with LES, Chico DeBarge. Okay. So when Nas first received that commercial success, were you receiving backlash or something like that? We received backlash from the moment it was announced that Trackmasters were producing. It was never announced like that. Well it got out, it leaked out. Absolutely. So we, everyone was afraid that Nas would be commercial and he would fuck it up basically. Right. You know. What were you guys already most known for before that? Like what tracks that people were worried about it? Shit. I think we had just finished LL.

You had just finished LL, but before that, the shit that broke off was the So For Real shit. Okay. Mary J. Wise. Mary J. Wise. So leaning more towards R&B. Yeah. Well, we did hip hop.

We did G-Rap. I'm saying the records that popped before that. Didn't y'all do On The run for G we did on the run That's crazy. It was three blue Now stop did not spike don't get jiggy with it. Yeah, not sure He was like he couldn't're getting right to the Nas. I want to go back to the Edwin Clinton thing. Okay, yeah. We're going to get to the Jiggy thing too.

No, no, that's important. Nas, it was written, when you coming off Illmatic, the issue I had. You didn't manage him during Illmatic? No. Okay, cool. I was trying to manage him, and then right at the day I was going to meet him to get the whole shit going was right after the Source Awards, the one where Snoop came out. New York don't got no love for Snoop.

Okay, okay, okay. Is that the same stuff for sure? And Nas got locked up. Yeah, Nas got no love for it. Okay, okay, okay. Is that the same song for sure? And Nas got locked up. Yeah, Nas got locked up for some shit. And like the record company wouldn't even give him money to get a shirt. Like it was some crazy, dumb, stupid shit. And I had just gotten a hold of him and just thought, the people were keeping you away from him a lot.

And like when we made, it was written, it was like how could you not make I rule the world with Lauryn Hill like it makes perfect sense that is a hip-hop record I rule the world was a hip-hop record like it didn't make a difference what anybody said and I felt like everyone who kept on coming up to me or coming up to them saying oh y'all fucking Nas up I felt like it was every artist that just didn't want that good-looking young rapping nigga to be a superstar. They wanted him to stay just like down.

They wanted him to be like G-Rap. They wanted him to be like the under guy, but never make it. I'm like, no, fuck all of you guys. Fuck every single one of you guys. Fuck all of you guys. We're getting all the money. And if it was Biggie or Tupac or Tribe or this or Ella, it didn't even make a difference. Whoever, we got the full package.

Right. Now, that was your idea to put Nas and Trackmaster together? Yeah, I was already working with Tone and Polk. I was managing them. And then it was Nas. It was perfect. Right. And did you know the impact?

Did you think that? One hundred percent. Okay. I like the confidence. Goddamn it. Let's make some noise for the goddamn confidence. Goddamn it. Goddamn it, god damn it. All right, come on, we gonna fill up on some drinks? What are we doing?

You don't want no champagne, right? We ahead of you right now. Did we see that? We have Tiger Bone here. Oh, we got Tiger Bone. We could get the Tiger Bone in a second, baby. You want a cigar or something? You got a cigar?

We need a cigar. Let me like, look at you now. Now, stop, stop. I want you to break that down, because what kind of cigar what would we you know we're from the hood We smoke the cigars just to just just just to put weed in them You like that's a Cohiba, right? I guess I think that's a Cohiba. You can tell it's a Mahiki right here.

OK. That's a 54, a 52. Now, are you saying the price? That's the price? That's the gauge. That's the gauge of size. Mm. This is amazing.

This is some fly shit right now. Yeah, Fred. I'm not going to act like I smoke cigars, but I'll take one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, man. It's some fly shit, man. It's some fly shit right there, man.

It's good. And now, now now red wine why does it was is that respect why more expensive is the most expensive than white wine? No, no, this is some expensive white ones. I think I got one right here. Okay? Oh, we hit this right here. How much is that? Depending on who you buy it from This is coach. This is white burgundy. This goes. White burgundy. I have never had that. No, I did have burgundy in France once. We can try it.

From France. No, no. Now, Stout, they told me that you're friends with Tom Brady. Is this true? Who the fuck is friends with Tom Brady? I'm not going to lie to you. Only God. Only God speaks to Tom Brady.

I know Tom Brady. We used to play cards with Tom Brady we sang that we should play cards with Tom Brady right Great Tom Brady story set like I know Tom Don't get Tom Brady number, goddammit. Let's make some noise for them. Tom Brady used to hang out at Butter, man. Get the fuck out of here. Tom Brady would play on a Sunday. Oh, you mean he's a human? Tom is a human?

Right before he did the TB12 shit, he was doing all the regular human shit. He was doing human shit? I never knew Tom Brady to be a human. Yeah. Now, you also was working with Genius, correct? You have a stake in Genius? I'm on the board. I don't know what that means. I know it's from Flash.

I just knew it was from Flash. I just knew it was from Flash right there. Okay, now, it was a time where Tupac was actually beating with Nas. That was correct. What was that like for you guys? Because that was two total icons that would, you know. I'll tell you the story. Okay.

So I was working at Interscope at the time and I'd heard the new Tupac album and he had that song where he was shitting on just, just shitting on everybody. And he shitted on Nas. But not on Hit Em Up And he shitted on Nas. But not on Hit Em Up, he shit on Nas on a different record. But I know what you're talking about, go ahead. It was on the same album. Oh, you know, you're right.

You're absolutely right. It was him, Nas, and Mark D. I was thinking of Take Off. So he shit on everybody, and then, like, I spoke to Nas about it. Right. And we were at the, it was the MTV Awards in New York, which was, it was tense. Because it was Death Row East and, you know, whatever that looked like and what it made. Death Row East was just a homies from the New York, right? Well, Eric B. was the president of Death Row East.

And we were in Bryant Park. Those awards were quick because Bone Thugs destroyed the show they opened it they shut that fucking thing down and then anyhow it was tense and big and puff and all that was gonna be there and it was supposed to be 95 because Jay was there and we went to Bryant Park and Suns Nas was there and we seen them guys coming and it was, it was deep.

Right. And then Nas made a call and it was, it got really tense in the middle but I did see in the beginning Nas and Tupac when they got to the center

and it was all around them. Right. Tupac was like, yo, you the king of New York, man. It was like no disrespect. Right. It was that kind of conversation and then Shug came running in like he got there like like 20 seconds after the fact right and ran in boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and was like around the

situation going like yo what's going on you know like instead of and he looked at me like what are you doing I just seen you in LA you're in a snow yeah he looked at me recognize me from being within a scope but he still meanwhile you know jungle got the motherfucking of course we know so he's looking at me and I can see the toast on him right and like these two guys going at it was a very tense situation that thankfully worked out okay. It worked out okay that night because it could have been really ugly that night. You know, they were in New York and, you know. Of course.

Of course. So, yeah, I want to hear more because, you know, I never met Tupac. So, you know, I want to like, we're going to come back to that. We're coming on the 20th. Is this the 20th or 21 anniversary of the firm am I correct 20 come on the truth of the matter is you know what like I don't want to give everything an anniversary like that but but 20 years deserved except the album could have been better the album should be better it was too much talent was

monumental I don't think you go like that I think about everything 20 years okay I think about I think down was dope we just I think we dropped the wrong first thing what phone tap no that wasn't the first no I think the album was dope. I think we dropped the wrong first single. What, Phone Tap? No, that wasn't the first single. No, that's the first. Fern Biz? Yeah, Fern Biz. Well, it was a lot of different things.

I mean, it was, you guys were making the Will Smith album down here. Right. And Dr. Dre came down here. We were in Amelia Estefan's studio down here. We had the whole shit locked down, and we were making Will Smith's album, finishing the Nas record. Big up my man. Estefan's Kitchen is one of my favorite restaurants.

I had to throw that out there. I just threw it out there. First of all, he's fantastic. You know, he's got like a Mr. Chow style restaurant. You know, he has 2,000 employees. God damn, that's basically all. He's tremendous. Tremendous. Who was the craziest member? He was buying blocks down here. All this shit down here with your spiders? Right. He was buying blocks down here. 20 years ago for a half a million

dollars. For the entire block. And he was buying them in parcels. God damn it, Stout. Keep talking. Yeah. Emilio is fucking nuts. Keep going. He owns all the shit. And he's low-key as a motherfucker. Wouldn't you be low-key

if you were buying blocks? So who's the craziest member of the firm? Throw it out there. Go for it. Go for it. Come on, Stout. You're heating up.

You're heating up, Stout. Crazy in what way? Just crazy. It could be great. It could be bad. It could be whatever. You're heating up, Steph. Crazy in what way? It could be great, it could be bad, it could be whatever. You know what's so funny about this show? They know, like, let the alcohol kick in. There's pre-alcoholic and there's post. Now somebody's job is to look at everybody's eyes and tell you what you need.

This just came out. So it's all, to be clear know you're in the cage. It just came out. It's all to the general. It's about pacing yourself. Notice there's no water. No, we got water for you right there. We got water. We got your back. Yeah, I got my water.

We got water. We professional drinkers. Or rather, what was the craziest session, like a firm session? What was... Craziest firm session. Did you win a Beardsville? Mm-hmm. session what was craziest firm session solo not the firm not for the firm But that documentary... You know me, no, me and you, man. Okay, we gettin' this now. We goin' there. Because it makes no sense. Yeah, don't worry about it. We gonna get there.

We gonna get there. We have to get there. We gonna get there, no problem. We gonna get there, take a couple shots. I was, by the way, I was just orchestrating everything, man. We had this whole entire town. You, 50, Nas. Yes, yes.

The firm, the thing, what's his name? The nigga from my neighborhood that I put on that turned into a fucking psychopath. Okay. The little producer dude. Shot money. Oh, wow. All these guys. He ain't got no business.

Let me tell you something, Stout. I always felt like... Just call him a psychopath. Correct me if I'm wrong. Turn into a psychopath. Because I think that... This is how I feel about everything. If somebody puts you on in life, in any way, shape, or form, that's it, man.

It's respect forever. It's just respect forever. You see what he just said? You got on, I was a roadie. I got kid and played. Wiz. I meant Wiz. DJ Wiz.

I would not be here where I am right now if it wasn't for DJ Wiz putting me on. Full stop. It's how it goes. And if I'm in your business, like when you got guys here who did shit, like I don't think that anyone should be shitted on if they're pushing culture forward and they're trying to get shit done. And I think people, they make a sport out of it because it's easy to make a sport out of it

and sensationalize making fun of somebody or shitting on somebody or whatever, whatever. But at the end of the day, it's our job together to push this thing forward. That's why I'm here. I'm here because I've watched this man grow and I would have never done this. I didn't even fuck with him at all.

I used to fuck with him and then I could not stand his fucking guts. Don't that shit stop? Let's do another shot. Let's go. Another shot. We haven't had a shot. I know. But now, what was one of the craziest firm sessions?

What was the one that stand out to you? There were none. There were none? Yo, hold on. Open the door. My man is at the door. We got you. There were none. There were none? Yo, hold on. Open the door. My man is at the door. We got you. There were none or there were all, you say?

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I think the most memorable thing. When somebody gets fucked up in Miami, there was a fight. Dr. Dre's man kicked somebody. It was some crazy shit. You don't remember that. Damn, you don't remember that. Fuck. There was some crazy shit you don't remember that damn you remember that it was some crazy stories in miami man will smith got mad nobody was think that we didn't want to put will smith on the album no because that's what happened

why he got mad well we're snapping on dr's red you don't remember so so why do y'all think she so so you remember nothing We don't got jokes? We don't got jokes? I don't remember that. Will Smith is a liar. Will Smith is terrible. So why do y'all think... You don't remember nothing? Why do y'all think The Firm wasn't bigger? Like that was the first time, East Coast, like this was two monuments... First time, first music Dr. Dre made after he left Death Row was Nas' coming on Nas' album and the first project on Aftermath was The Firm. It was brand new shit. Niggas had the tone and poke

was big and they're alright and they, you know, they weren't like, you know foxy was loose cannon what's his name cool mega was in out I was no fun I was doing not the firm he was getting very you know he was belligerent based off of his status this kid nature what does belligerent me I'm sorry that was was big words. What does it mean? Tell him what it means. Belligerent, he just like, yeah. Mad, angry, upset.

Because why did he exactly get kicked out of the group? Back then, people worked through their problems. We didn't have the internet. So most of the times, people would go behind the scenes that work out the problems. But he was actually you guys had to take it out, measure it to actually kick him out of the group and replace him. Even if he would have got kicked out of the group

back then, it was usually the three members moved forward. So what happened in that situation? You remember, Nas shouted it out when he was in jail. On Illmatic. When he got home, before he even came back around to even fuck with Nas or fuck with

us, what he was doing, he signed Chris Light. He got mad. He did. He scooped him up. Okay, hold on. Hold on a second. You're going too fast. All right.

That wasn't even that fast. You saying, hold on a second. You saying, Nas shouted him out. The buzz started from that shout out. Yeah. He comes home And he goes Sign somewhere else

But Was there a conversation Yes Not even a conversation Get out of here No Wow No

I never knew that Well there it is I thought Cause it looked like I Okay you went For those that don't know Chris Lighty

God bless the dead Was my manager And was It was like You was either with it was like you was either with with chris or you was with stout at that time 100 right y'all was the two but oh mark pitts was out there as well like as far as management go at that time and flavor unit too was managing a lot of flavor unit was kind of like just flavor unit like yeah they wanted it was

it was he he's you're right it was it was if you wasn't it was with me and Chris, it was either you were me or you were Chris, it wasn't even management, it was more than just management. It was just like, we control the market. It was like, bad boy, then you had Violator, what they were doing, and then you had a sense of what we were doing, and if you weren't with that, we controlled the market.

In New York, we did. That's right. Talk that shit, Stout. Well, that's the truth. Talk that shit, Stout. You can verify it. You can verify it. You got the computer. You got the computer,

God damn it. You got the computer. You can verify it. There was nowhere to go. Right. Now, 20 years later, you think Nas will be this businessman

that Nas turned out to be? He asked me that question the other day. Like, I'm proud of him, bro. Like, I'm seriously proud of him He's out there looking good with Nicki Minaj out there looking good. Hey boy. Yeah I'm sorry. He's special. He's a special dude, but he got in on Lyft. He got in on everything He's first of all his manager Anthony Salah. He's like, you know

Special he's talented. I mean, these guys are all cut from the same cloth, like very resourceful, trying to figure it out. And Nas is one of the most trustworthy people you would ever meet. He can read you. And if he fucks with you and he trusts you, I never had a management contract with Nas. Never. I never, ever, ever, ever had to even think about getting paid from him.

I'd have $400,000 in cash, and he wouldn't even know or care. Like, he's not like that. He doesn't move for money. I mean, he likes nice things or whatever, but money don't move him. So it was never about, if he trusts you and he fucks with you, that's what it is. So Anthony, you know, just kept moving it forward and got him involved in technology. I introduced Nas to this guy Ben Horowitz, who's the leading venture capitalist who happens to love rhymes. And him and Nas hooked up. I put them together.

And then Anthony, outside of that relationship, started creating other relationships in Silicon Valley. And Nas shows up. He shows up on time. Yeah, he shows up on time. Now, what made you fall back on management? Like, that was a lot of money, like, just in that business, correct? Am I saying that correct? Crazy motherfuckers like you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm the guy that shows up on time. No, I think I'm the guy that got y'all managerial now. No, damn, nigga. No, I think I went from managing artists and I just wanted to manage companies. It was just like I still feel like I'm managing, just managing corporations rather than managing individual artists. Right. But I love artists and I love special artists, the guys that are really talented, that what they do can't be replicated.

And I have a lot of deep respect for it. And my job as a businessman is to make sure that people leave them the fuck alone, so they can just do what they got to do and create and leave them alone and give them the money and the resources and the environment to be great. Right. Yeah. Now, who was the easiest artist to ever produce for? and leave them alone and give them the money and the resources and the environment to be great. Right. Yeah. Now, who was the easiest artist to ever produce for? He wants to have the- Nah, I'm just fucking around. I'm just fucking around.

I'm just fucking around. Actually, you were pretty good. Yes. I walked in the studio. I said I got the track. You said everybody get out the room. I played, and you went to work. So you were easy.

But, um, it's between Jay and Nas. Both very easy to work with. Easy to work with. Now, what was the artist? That was very politically correct. It was very politically correct.

I thought he was trying to lie. He's lying right now on the show. Listen to me. Correct No lying on dream Is the easiest artist he's the easiest artist he always has his shit prepared now Let me give you another one what what was our artist that you you was disappointed in like you went to work with them and date They work ethic wasn't there or they fell asleep. Tell the truth, they fell asleep. Damn. Don't say nature.

Don't say nature. Don't say nature. Nah, I'm just saying. He wouldn't show up. I'm just saying. Want a drink? Man. You'll pull some shots.

Go ahead, Tony. You got to come on. You got to drink chance. Honestly, I don't know. I'm not disappointed in anybody. Jermaine Dupri said Whitney Houston disappointed him. God damn You gotta come on. You got a straight chance. Honestly, I don't know. I'm not disappointed in anybody. Jermaine Dupri said Whitney Houston disappointed him. God damn it. Come on. You gotta give her something. He said Whitney Houston could not hit the notes that he wrote for her.

He didn't say she was wack in the studio. He just said... He said that right here? He said that right here. In your seat. You sitting there right now. Wow. He said that. We're just keeping it real.

This is 20 years. We're just keeping it real. Yeah. Fox was tough to work with. Mm. Now, meaning... Now, yeah,. Just keeping it real. Yeah. Fox was tough to work with. Now, meaning... Now, yeah, yeah. Like, why? Yeah, like...

She was just young at the time. Now, she was signed to y'all as well? That's another good story. That was depth jam? That was another good story. Okay. She was young. Okay.

So I think the stardom coming at her really fast was hard to get her in the studio and really work. But when she arrived at the studio, she got busy. It was just getting in there on time and getting the record. She was 17. She used to come with a book bag. Right. Wow.

She used to come to the studio with a book bag. That's right. Wow. That's right. Wow. Tone found Foxy, man. What? Tone discovered Foxy Brown.

What? Describe that. What? These are facts. These are facts. Facts. Hold on, Tone. Describe that.

I don't know that. I don't know that. We just grew up. Honestly, I watched him watch to grow up Like so I always just claimed you in my mind like you were some Queens shots of what? That's kind of like that. It's a tradition. Yeah. Pop did four. Okay, okay, okay. Jermaine agreed to game. When you say it's a tradition, that's it. It's a tradition. Okay, now I don't know if y'all know about Drink Champs,

but Drink Champs is, I seen there was not a platform that when people get 10 years or people get 20 years or 15 years in this game, people want to write them off. People want to say that these guys

ain't doing it no more because whatever. Here at Drink Champs, we like to salute our people. We like to give them their flowers, while they can smell them, give them their thoughts while they can tell them they drink so they can drink them,

and their thoughts when they can think them. You understand what I'm saying? So here at Drink Chats, we are saluting you, Steve Stout, for everything you did in this business. We are saluting you, Todd, for everything you did in this business. And we salute y'all, and we respect y'all. Salute.

Now how about Big? It's not bad. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's absolutely horrible. It's actually horrible. Now, you worked with Big before on the show?

Yeah. What joint you worked with Big? Let's see. There's a discrepancy, by the way. We're gonna get to that in a second. Let's get to the discrepancy. We did Juicy. Juicy. The original Juicy? Yes.

What the fuck is that? That's the original Juicy. I know, I told you about it. What's the original Juicy? There was no remix. That was Tiger Ball I'm talking about. Don't worry about me. Juicy. We did the One More Chance remix. Remix? Oh my. You see we did the one more chance we meet me Oh, okay. I had a discrepancy saying I'm a good friend of ours. We shot produced a book of no

Po but we can say that well, it was a conversation. It was a conversation Yeah, cuz I said what I would assume that's the only time we would have talked about juicy No, he said the one more chance and what's no I know what discrepancy he's talking about You took my with little C's was on here and they little C says I'm not supposed to be on Biggs album Is that it right? Yeah, and uh, we said that now supposed to be on one more chance But he wasn't he supposed to be on give me the loop. I don't know which record he was going on Okay, but when y'all started talking about one more chance being one of the greatest records in hip-hop, right? You didn't give track masses the credit. We gotta put some respect on their name.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to tell y'all something. I'm going to tell y'all something. I was so honored to work with y'all, because it was y'all and Clark Kent. I got to give Clark Kent, too. I just used to write rhymes.

I didn't know how to count bars. I didn't know how, I would write rhymes, just write hooks separate. I wouldn't know how to put them shits together. And I remember going to Beardsville. I remember you just, you and Polk and just pulling me to the side and be like, you got the talent. It's just fucking everywhere. And you would, and I just appreciate that. I appreciate, you know, uh, uh, the uncle in, I gotta say, like, I felt like an uncle. Like, when I was at Bearsville, like, you knew. This is what it was. We was finishing an R.E. album.

I was all over the place. I went to Miami. I went. And it was your idea. He was like, yo, Nori, I can't get you to focus in New York. You going to come to Bearsville. They lied to me. They definitely didn't tell me where Bearsville was.

It's like, yeah, you just want to go up there. Motherfucker, everything closed at five o'clock. If you don't got your Phillies, you fucked up. You don't got your cigarettes, you don't got no liquor, you fucked up. You remember 50 being up there? Yes, I remember, I did two records for 50. That was our beef.

You don't remember, that was our beef. Me, your beef? Yes, because I did the two records for 50 and I asked you. I felt like our beef was always he's always about the firm you feel like I didn't get to tell my young you know and I'm sitting there going like I'm putting everybody on right I'm sitting I'm taking the responsibility and I'm putting everything on right I got 50 out I'm taking the responsibility and I'm putting everything on Right. I got 50 out of his contract using GMS Jay

I got him out the contract got him in took shot money from the hood brought shot money in to all this is now Then he goes nori nori was in between this shit wasn't right It wasn't right. You talented. You're't right, come up to Bearsville And these dudes was up here, and was telling a book, and was their producers under them, and they were orchestrating We had three rooms going, Femme Fatale Yeah, oh Femme Fatale, yeah, I was up there Femme Fatale, that's right, and we was up there, and we were getting busy, making, that's where the power of the dollar was made Yes, yes, that's where the power of the dollar was made One more two records in that house, one more two records in that house We the power the dollar was made. Yes

And I just saw two records on that mom I'm gonna get the name of them shits boy Yeah, man, I came around I felt the energy and that's where it was where for our little problem has started was because I think I called I said, uh, um 50s album I was wanting to get paid or something. He was like, I ain't paying you for no 50 record. I swear to God. I think y'all was in beef with 50 at this time. And then it just all trickled down. But it's all love. We are here today and we are having fun

and we're gonna drink some of your specific white wine. God damn it, we don't got a cork opener. Light burgundy opening. I have a cork opener. That's awesome. And you got a specific Chinese jacket. What kind of jacket is that, style? That is buttery, man.

I've been keeping my Gucci jacket on, too, and he came across all my jackets. I'm hating. No, this is a... And all his cases are leather. Yo, man, let me tell you something, Stout. You gotta teach a class, a rap class, we gonna call it rap class,

where you sit down and you teach niggas, niggas don't know co-hebos, they don't know what's the difference between, did he just say a 55 mil? He said a, what did he say? He said this is a 55. Like, nobody don't know what's the difference between... Did he just say 55 mils? He said, what did he say? He said, this is a 55. Like, nobody don't know that. It's a 32 and a 54.

This is what I'm trying to say. This is gonna be mad funny. He got me, Jadakiss, and like a Jim Jones. And you sitting us down and you teaching us rap class. It's called rap class. And you sit, this is how you drink a Merlot. Most people don't know you drink a red wine with a steak people don't know that they just drink with the fuck I just drink and drink whatever fucking you can okay?

Okay now why is it AZ why didn't AZ, like, be just as big as a star? Oh, shit. Yo, I just had this conversation with Son. Right. About AZ. AZ, honestly, oh, first of all, if he was an actor, he'd be a fucking superstar. Okay. If you ever watch him in the interlude.

I've seen him in belly. No, no, no, no, no. You ever watch him in the interlude when the Biggie video in the beginning where he's big and they're playing for money and shit. They're playing with Monopoly money. Look at AZ. He's acting. He's fucking awesome. He's killing it.

I got to go back and look at it. And he worked really hard and he was all about the business. People forget, even after the rhyme on Life's a Bitch, he delivered the rhyme again though on More Money More Murder. The same rhyme? No, no, no. He delivered the rhyme. He delivered the rhyme.

People thought his pen just fell off after that. More Money More Murder, his rhymes is also hot. He wanted to always make Sugar Hill. He just wanted to make commercial records. He wanted to make that type of shit. And I think he didn't have great management around him.

And he just wasn't... He didn't have enough talent for what was coming out at that time. It was vicious. The amount of rappers that was coming out. I think he had the talent.

What skill do you think he lacked? No, he had the work ethic. He was a polished person. Show up, deliver, he could act. He'll play it all out. He was that type of guy. But when he went to write the rhymes and do it over and over he didn't give a shit about that he showed up when Nas was on the record but outside

of that he wouldn't write he wouldn't do it listen to his music I never felt like he was hella lyrical to me yeah no that's your memory you know certain things age back like you listen to it you think it's over and you go back and listen to play I can't believe I like this shit you fall in love with something like people if you go look at Star Wars right now you see the strings yeah like these certain things just don't age well and you just got to be honest about that AZ's rhymes didn't age well outside of more money and life's a bitch Wow that's all and so you never managed them? Why was that? Why didn't you? I feel like he just said it.

Why didn't I manage them? No. Managing artists and all that shit wasn't really what I wanted to do. Wow. My wife. Okay. That wasn't the career I wanted to build myself on, being a manager of artists.

I just felt, I just wanted to keep doing more shit, more shit, and trying shit. And my first big break came, the first producer I managed, this kid, he was a Jehovah Witness. This is really funny. You managed a Jehovah Witness? Listen to this. I'm ready for this. This kid was a Jehovah Witness. Oh.

And back then, getting equipment was so hard to get as a producer if you had equipment you could basically rent your equipment out for credit you could basically say i produce half the record if i just if you use my equipment that's how scarce equipment was and uh herbie Lovebug was jerking everybody up. He was a thief. Thief. He said that's why. So this kid, I go meet this kid that Wiz introduced me to. And the guy, his name is Steve Kitt. You'll never hear his name again probably.

But Steve Kitt, he's a Jehovah Witness. He's producing records for Salt-N-Pepa. And he's not taking credit, but he's a Jehovah Witness he's producing records for salt-and-pepper and he's not taking credit but he's getting five hours managing right or producing every guy's guys a lot right so anyhow the kid does all this shit so I I mean I'm like and it's similar the same shit I met you told I meet the kid and I'm like yo man you don't have to even fuck with these guys I'll buy you the equipment I was doing real estate at the time I bought the kid I went to Sam Ash,

bought all the Roland shit, and it was like a Christmas list he gave me, the shit he really wanted. He made up extra shit. I bought it for him, and we started producing, and the first thing we did was the theme song for the Martin Lawrence show. Oh shit.

The first, Martin, we took that from the Deaf Comedy Jam, Us, Kid Capri, boom. The Martin Lawrence, the theme song, I knew Martin, Martin used to sleep, Martin and I, when I was the roadie. Yeah, he's known for us, right? Yeah, when I was the roadie, for Kid to Play, Martin Lawrence was the opening act. Get the fuck out. I knew Martin Lawrence like the guy that was just like the, he was just the regular dude. Like we were right here.

And he blew up and got his show. And he's like, stop. He helped me out. I said, I can make the theme music for you. And I got the kid, Steve, to do it. He made that. He got the publishing off of that. He's still eating.

And he's a full Jehovah Witness. I've not heard from him. But back then, he was afraid. The Jehovah Witness thing, I'm only going to bring that in, because he was afraid to take credit for music. Because it was against his religion. Okay, now earlier you just said, you described the video with, I think that was a Jay-Z video. It was a Jay-Z video. It was a big, and now was that the beginning of Nas and Hov dispute? Because of that.

Because it was said that Nas was, it was Ned Presidents, I believe. Yeah, it was Ned Presidents. It was Ned Presidents, I believe. Now, the rumor is that it was Jay wanted Nas to come to the video. I don't know. Jay and Nas knew each other before I knew either of them. So I don't know what the beginning of that beef was. But it was definitely just, in New York City, it was just like, who's the best rapper, you know?

And like, that's what the beginning of that beef was. I mean, I guess it was just normal young. By the way, you got to remember, niggas are 25 years old. Right, right. These are 25 years old with millions of dollars. And not only that. Really millions of dollars and really 25 years old. Correct.

And like, so that's the perfect concoction for stupid shit. Right. A lot of money and young. It's macho shit. Yeah. So the macho shit led to a bunch of dumb shit, which led to a bunch of beefs. Right. But it wasn't any, none of it was really real.

Except those guys have the greatest respect for one another. Right. I mean, the greatest respect for one another. That's one of the things that did age well. Like you just said, you just mentioned earlier, like a lot of things don't age well. Yeah. That's something that aged perfectly. like I look at that but back then let's just describe back then like back then takeover comes out are you worried you're a guy

who's been in nine's career both of you guys have been in our career at least since the second album yeah I need to tell them keep it real. I will take over comes up You gotta put yourself right in the specific situation. Where were you organized at the time? Yeah, Jay at the time the whole thing and remember that so many gotta cosign the story There's a different ether out there like before eat that became ether. There was another another record. Yeah, but another version or there was another version I heard I heard it. I was in the studio one day. Same beat? I was like, holy. It was a little worse.

It was the same beat? No, it wasn't. I don't remember. So it's a different record. I cannot remember. I actually remember the whole thing. Okay, but go ahead. Go ahead, Tony.

I was worried. I thought Nas was done. Rich, we good? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Tell me when we not clean, bro. All right, we got you. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay. You thought Nas was done from Takeover?

I did. I did. Really? It was only one shot at Nas, if you think about it. He just said, Tell Nas he don't want you to hold. You know what it is? I seen him performing. No, no, no, no. That was, no, no, no, no. He put the third verse on that thing. On Takeover? Yes. Oh, you think it's super ugly. No. Okay, I'll prove it. No. He first did the first thing where he said, on that thing on takeover yes oh you think it's super ugly no okay I'm telling though he first did the first thing we said tell me that summer's and tell us you don't wanna go home right and then freestyle you get the freestyle

he said he went to beans first left free style that I was wrong you would use that freestyle too right I think that was another thing so then Jay does take over I think style is 100% correct so you said I was worried he was worried yeah definitely right I seen him perform the record and he gets to the part along me where he goes who's the best MC Biggie Jay-Z up and then he goes nah nah nah and then Takeover comes on and I watched the crowd I was like this shit is a problem wow so I yeah I was nervous for Nas I was nervous for Nas I became friends. We became really friendly around that time, before that. And Jay's a very secretive dude and he had never told me that he was

doing that or any of that kind of shit. So I kind of felt betrayed. I honestly felt like it was all a ploy just to, like there wasn't really a friendship actually. That's what I felt like. You felt like you and Jay-Z were on a friendship? I thought it was a friendship, then I'm like this ain't no real friendship. If you're gonna just shit on this guy,

you're not gonna tell me. And I'm at the Hammerstein Ballroom and he performed it and I'm in the rafters. The Hammerstein Ballroom is like a theater and shit and it has like those like opera fucking balconies and i thought the shit was going to snap and break that's how crazy it was right yeah and that was young kanye west on the beat right right and um oh i totally forgot kanye kanye produced the takeover holy shit i totally forgot that yeah so that so that was Young Kanye on the beat.

And I was nervous. I thought Nas' career was over. And Nas was really in no position to... The way he was carrying himself, the way he was... He wasn't taking it as seriously. He was a lot of shit he was dealing with, man. His baby mom shit. Just a lot of shit, man.

You know, Nas takes care of a lot of people. And then he didn't... and actually, back then, because it wasn't people thought it was over. It was that his response was kind of slow, right? I think it was like three months old. That's Steve's style. Okay, okay. So what happened was...

Talk about that Steve's style. Come on, I'm going to take some of your expensive wine. We made the... Tell me something about your wine. Tell me that you found it, man. He's drinking that Kosh. So what happened was... Take your time with that. We made the, um. Tell me some of that. Yeah. Pass me that. You found it, man. He's drinking that kosher. So what happened was, take your time with that, too. OK, stop.

Let me show you how I pour wine. Stop. Let me know if I got a little bit of glass. Be seen. Let me go, stop. Let me know if I got a little bit of glass. I like that. You know what I'm saying?

Just reach for the hand. That's perfect. And then like that. And then like that. You poured too much. And then like that. You poured too much. Oh, see?

I did pour too much. That's why. You poured too much. Wine is supposed to be like, hey, rat class. You know what I'm saying? You're having it. You don't we want to be like a grand class? Two shows right now. Okay. Yeah, so I The takeover is out not You into this story. Yeah, everybody's

Please I just make sure everybody's into know everybody's into it and they told us I have a light crowd Usually have more people we told on that crap is you have something important to say we're gonna So anyhow, okay good so so the whole shit's like a fucking mess and it's But I had that beat that was the first beat that I had that I gave Nas. The beat for Ether, I took the beat, I gave it to Nas on the album first, not for Ether, just to make a record. I forgot what this shit reminded me of. It reminded me of something.

And I'm like, yo, this shit right here. And Nas, he didn't like this shit. So him and I... That's how hard it is. And then later on, you like it. We went through a really tough time. That was the lowest point of our relationship during that period of time.

Nas and I, we weren't speaking. I was executive producing that album. And you're saying in between, after Takeover. Takeover happens. Takeover to Ether. To Ether. I'm not speaking to Nas. We're not.

We're working together, but like, you know, like a bad marriage. Very distant. We come home and we don't talk. And when you say it's the first beat, you gave him literally like you, that you say, I get involved in every aspect of it. How you end your verses, how to fucking chorus shit, the beats, the whole program. So you're like damn near production.

I just never took, I hate to produce. My bad. I get credit for what I do, he gets credit for what he does. I just have a point of view. I gave it to him and he He didn't fuck with it. I didn't speak to him for months and he worked on the album. He made that album

I forgot the name of the album Godson. No. No, I think that's that's not hip-hop It's still not it. Oh still I was just saying the one with the bird on the pigeon So we're not working on this shit together and like He calls me in the album was about to go to mastering and I go to the studio and he plays me ether It's like 2 in the morning and he uses that beat Now we weren't even speaking So the fact that he even Called me to the studio the night before mastering Was cause he wanted me to hear Like did I go too far

Is this fucked up And I get there 2 in the morning And Jungle is on some Fuck Stout Fuck that Stop fuck you And I'm listening to this shit And I'm like to this shit, and I'm like, I take off my, we staying here all night.

We got to fix this. This is a mess. This is a mess. If this shit comes out, your career is over. And he made the record. But there was a version, there was a different version of it with the same beat that was terrible. Thank you for hitting the AC. But then, it was a beat, that was terrible thank you for hitting the ac but then it was a beat it was terrible it was horrible and like and and and like and you know it was it was the proper response for what he was in i mean that's a heavyweight

man by the way when you see naz and jay together it's like looking at ali and frazier yeah it's like two guys Like we were punching each other in the motherfucking face. Yeah, yeah, okay as hard as yeah, I understand now I understand we were respecting. Yeah, how much we could take the punches to the face That's what they did. You never seen those shit like this. This was it no LL Cool J battle and Kumo D after the Kumo D was already on the way out and this is happening at the right time in real time and like and somebody's gonna lose and somebody's gonna win and that's just gonna happen and the fact that they did that and nobody got shot and nobody got stabbed. That's what we should be fucking bigging up right now.

I think that's what we should be doing. And you know what it was too? I think both of them, I think that was both of their best time of leadership because they were actually saying that to their crews. Like, yo, this is on record. Like, they were actually saying that to their crews like yo this is like this is on the record like they were actually saying that like you know i remember uh jay had did the freestyle on what the everybody on hot 97 and he went up there and he rhymed with uh i think that's when he first got his philly's boys and naz had called me and was like yo we're gonna do the same thing we're gonna go up there and do

it and from the beginning when naz called I said, do we need bail money? He said, hold up, y'all. He said, hold up. It's not that type of party. We're just going to go and rhyme against them. And I knew that. And that was a boss move as a leader. That's right.

To let people know, like, look, look. We're going to dispute them. We're going to do whatever we got to do. But this, you know, we're going to keep it hip hop. And I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that i enjoyed that part of hip-hop i still enjoyed it so now in between that point you guys are worried now ether finally is put together the way you want it it drops how proud are you of that moment that when

the whole world started down he dropped that one and it was and it was strong enough that even when hove responded he didn't have to respond that's how strong that one record was yeah see a lot of people don't know don't say that like hove is two to one so when you compare hove and naz battle it's like hove actually has two naz had two records too you know the freestyle we talked about the freestyle but that was like that was how super ugly came how Super Ugly came off. Super Ugly, the reason why I think Super Ugly isn't a classic is because you actually got a person that you've never seen emotional be a little emotional.

That's why I think people didn't receive that record. Ethan was one of those records, man. No, I'm saying, so were you... No, Ethan was one of those records where shit like that starts to happen. It gets you off of your thing. When you boxing, nigga, it hits you in the face. It throws you off in your new plans, new styles. You start changing, you start doing new shit.

Change your strategy. But the most important part of what this is about, and this topic, we can go inside of Nas, Etha, Jay, this, that, and the third the fact that those guys they put their money on the line you see back then if you get when you lost what you really was betting was your career your career you weren't betting a million dollars right you were betting your entire earning potential like we care about the LL when LL battle cannabis cannabis was gone yeah he's gone Harris and Sharon yeah the losers done yeah this is scary the loser is done and so when they did that that's what they were playing for and the fact that they never turned it into anything

else and they both came out smelling like roses yeah the shit better better people and that's and grew after that who together they actually got a city turned it into anything else. And they both came out smelling like roses instead of shit. Better people. And grew after that. And grew after that. Together they actually joined. You got to see, by the way, anytime I'm around both of them together, it's like I don't even listen to anything. All I do is shut the fuck up

and let them niggas talk and feel so fortunate that I'm around two of the greatest writers that ever walked the face of this earth. That's how I feel. Now, how intricate was you in the squashing of that? Like now, you got business with both. They both just went at each other horribly, and then they both grown men. You know what?

I wasn't involved. Get the fuck out of here. I thought that would have been you. No, I wasn't involved. Get the fuck out of the house been you know I was in squad I just died of all because I don't know the squash but but not that one because I felt like home was always trying you out to like kind of like like like elbow now it's a little bit like stop holla at me man like I'm fucking with you your boss like I'm fucking with your top guy like you know they're like that's probably why me and Jamie never got along

How we gonna get into that too? Why are you a dave never got along well, I just said that's why I thought because cuz of James had you out I think because of that, I think that, you know, he was the smart guy. Right. He was the smart guy at that time. In my opinion, and this is, I can't speak for Dane, but I think that's, I think we had him on drink,

of course we had him, I know we had him on drink chance, but I think he always says that, like, it was Lior, and I believe your name came up. He probably didn't say me. He probably didn't say you? I don't think he always says that. It was Lior, and I believe your name came up. He probably didn't say me. I don't think he did. He wouldn't say me. Okay. Maybe he said that to me.

He wouldn't say me. Okay. He was a smart guy at the time. And Damon, I spoke to Damon three weeks ago, and I told him. I said, Damon, I finally now understood. Wait, wait. You spoke to him three weeks ago recently you say three weeks ago from what yeah and I told him tell him

man I gotta tell you that I really do understand everything you stood for and everything you fought for like and if you look at again young and money. Bad concoction, right? Damon knew artists should be independent. Damon knew artists should own their rights. Damon knew he was fighting for all of that stuff. Damon actually knew how international the art of hip-hop was. He knew everything. He knew everything, and he knew who to fight for it. The problem was he knew it but the way he handled it

He could articulate it properly at that point? He could articulate it but the way he handled it to make it a business Was just disgusting right, but he wasn't he his theory was correct the way he handled it Applied it yup okay. I get it. And I him that wow and he's like it took you long enough and I'm like you fucking can't even just say thanks but you know

with that statement and that's cool and I respect and I respect wait wait wait tell me he said that's what he said to you

three weeks ago it took you long enough that is damn like a motherfucker my dude oh man I was you know

for me I was just like, the one thing I've always prided myself on, there's a lot of things I am, I'm fucking smart. I knew this shit. I know this shit cold. I know the business cold.

I know the artist, the music, the this. I could see this shit before it happens. And, like, I knew what he was trying to do. And where me and Jay became friends was almost like when I would say it to him or the way I would package the information, it felt like we were going forward. It didn't feel like, fuck all these niggas. These niggas. It didn't feel belligerent. We were actually coming up with ideas and thoughts that was gonna move forward not just shit on people to get there, right?

There's a way to move forward. You can shit on people to move forward or you can do it in a charismatic way. And I felt like the way I was doing it, or maybe the way I was doing it was more charismatic, much more advanced, you know, as far as moving forward. Now Tone, have you ever produced a record for an artist where an artist dissed another artist? more charismatic, much more advanced as far as moving forward. Now Tone, have you ever produced a record for an artist where an artist dissed another artist and you had to feel awkward about that? Yeah.

Let's talk about it, Tone. I mean, LL and Cannabis was with it. Wait, you produced the LL's record? Yeah, I mean, we got back. LL Cannabis had, yo, I need some fucking water. Your water's right under you. Right under you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Get busy. It's water. We got water all over you. Yeah, we did back to the studio. Cannabis has the verse. It was a dope verse. Wait, you produced Cannabis shit too? Yeah.

Wait, you ever produced both of them? Nah. It's like Samuel L. Johnson. No, that's Don K. shit. That's Don K. shit right there. That's not even... You wore both fighters them? He's like Samuel L. Jackson. No, that's Don King shit. That's Don King shit right there. That's not even... You wore both fighters out to the wing,

and you said, I'm leaving with the winner. Well, it was just on that. It was just on that. On the 4-3-2-1 joint when Cannabis said the rhyme. Wow. And then LL went into spit after he heard Cannabis' rhyme. And then he changed his rhyme, right? And he changed his rhyme.

Right. I felt a little weird about that why cuz Al wanted to change because like you're going at a guy who's not even here records we put in here this we had our own here and Al said um he thought cannabis fully went Adam on that Yeah, he said yeah He's looking for beef I look at the L interview. I got it. I love that guy. That guy is my favorite rapper of all time When I grew up drinking more, yes, this is go for it. Yes. I'd see that guy at block parties I seen a lot about battle guys in malls

Hello grew up as a battle rapper. He's just so fucking competitive that he never... I mean, he had no record. We do the fucking record, Who Shot Ya? and he shits on female rappers too. I don't give a fuck. You had a fucking phone booth? Why would you just... The girl's 17. Wait, wait, yo, you fucking with my childhood right now. I never knew that. Yeah, yeah.

Oh my God. Why would you do that? He just can't control himself. Holy shit, I never knew that. LL's dope, but you asked me if I'd buy it. Dope is just my favorite rapper of all time. I love all that shit. The A to B to C to D to E. The office, I think his dog was rock.

I was into the office. The whole shape. The A to B to C to D to E. The albums that niggas throw is rock. I was into the albums. The whole shit. The A to B, you don't remember that. You remember that was like the intro of one of his albums. Oh, whose? LL's? Oh yeah, of course. I was walking with a panther. I love walking with a panther. I love LL. But he just be so competitive with niggas for no reason.

And maybe cannabis, he could gonna pull cannabis to the side and gave him some oh Artist shit though. As a DJ, are you competitive with other DJs when you go out? I mean, of course. That's the same thing. Okay, so now describe that for me as a DJ. Like, what, a DJ comes on first and then... I mean, it just depends. Yeah, it depends on the platform. If it's a club DJ, if it's a battle DJ, whatever it is. But yeah, you don't want this guy to...

What? He went on, he played what record? And then you get mad at the records he played. Yeah, you don't you don't want certain to get one who's got it Well, he went on he play what right and then you get mad the records he played These are open and he plays some records you like the fuck is he doing and you can't wait a hot record You gotta relax Now Tom, yeah, what's the best ever a hip-hop my brother 90s hip-hop man You'll go for the whole shift yeah shift to what part 90s the whole decade yeah i'll go from yeah you'll go from lmatic on because i feel like the mid early mid 90s to like 97 was like

how the best decade no no no he said which is the best era he said i don't think it was ever a great decade no Brian the whole decade didn't ever made it. There's a reason why the decade never makes it You wanna hear it yeah As soon as shit gets hot If you listen to 88 is the best year for hip-hop by far is listening to To run DMC run DMC forget no that was the run DMC album. That was that was their comeback album in 88 Public enemy of easy and WNW-E the same, yeah. Yeah. And Karis won. I mean, it's 18 albums that came out that year

that is just ridiculous. EPMD launched the whole, just the shit. But it feels like the late 80s set up the early 90s. No, what happened was, after that happens, the way the business was at the time, like anything else, these guys are all either on independent labels, cold chilling records, select records, this, that, and the third, and profile records, and they blow up. So what happens after that?

The majors don't know who to sign. They just sign a bunch of dudes who rap and give them some bullshit story. So then all of a sudden, the truth gets watered down by the bullshit. So 87, 88, when everybody was scrambling to get on you have to be nice as shit that shit works Irving rock him 88 then all of a sudden what happens is the money comes in and fucks it up Like this bullshit like this area where you're right now. This is dope right now All the artists here in ten years from now five years from now, it's not going to be like that. It's going to be fucked up.

The artist is going to go somewhere else. That's how the rest is like. You talking about Wynwood? This used to be the hood. This used to be the hood. I know. That's what- I mean, it still kind of is.

No, that's what happens to get the great shit. That's the hood. 88HipHop is the hood. They're not even doing it for money. This area is a perfect example. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami.

This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where is the hood. They're just doing whatever, they're not even doing it for money. Right. This area is a perfect example. This is where all the early hip hop parties were in Miami. This is where I'm at. In the hood here.

This is what I'm saying. And then all of a sudden the money comes in, and then somebody decides to put a Mandarin Oriental next door. Exactly. Right, right, right. Then all of a sudden the artists have to move out. That's what happened in rap music. And every decade something happens and all of a sudden,

so it was 88, that happens. And you got the early 90s. That was awesome. You got Wu-Tang, you got Biggie, you got Nas, you got Jay. And then all of a sudden the money comes in and all of a sudden I could shit on a thousand guys right now that all of a sudden got record deals and opportunities

not because they were talented because they were rappers. And it sounded like this and everybody was looking for a copycat version so what year are you saying is that happening? no I'm saying when you gotta look at eras so if you look at 87 to 89 let's call that an era

you gotta break it down to 3 years I wouldn't break it 10 years I'd make it 3 years 3 years for this neighborhood to work and all of a sudden the money comes in and fucks the neighborhood up. 87 to 89, 92 to 96. Yep.

It moves in blocks like that. It doesn't move in 10-year increments. I see that. That's right. Now, you was the guy to bring Rough Riders to Interscope, correct? That was you single-handedly. But you didn't have DMX. No.

Was that hard to do that? Because although Rough Riders was looked at as a great company, but X was like their cheesy. By the way, I'm a marketing branding guy. All I seen was the awe. I seen the awe. I'm like, I seen the awe, and they had motherfuckers riding on motorcycles, standing up there on a motorcycle with no hands on. I've never seen that before in my life. I was like, this is it.

DMX is the beginning of a lot of shit. So I want to, and D is amazing. D, young ass, young Swiss, me and Swiss's type. Like, those guys are just talented as motherfuckers. And like, I have actually, I've met DMX in the last five years. Back then, I never met DMX. But I was interested in D, law, Swiss, the sound, and the logo. The brand.

Yeah, I knew that brand was the business. Wow, and you knew that was a marketing guy behind that. That's what you're saying, you knew that was like orchestrated. It wasn't just like they just filmed it and it was just art. Like you knew that, you know. Anybody, you ever see those videos, man? Of course. It's the best shit in the world.

There's guys riding hip hop on motorcycles up the West Side Highway, standing on the seat with no hands, going 100 miles per hour. It's crazy. Who the fuck does that? You know what, it's hot, but it's also this jacket. It's not real. You're looking fly, though. You had a choice to make.

But what else you do? You had a choice to make. I had a choice to make. You're in Miami. You're going to keep looking fly. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, high school. So now that was like the year of the black CEO.

It was a great time for the black CEO. They had people like Dane Dash in power. They had people like Steve Stout in power. I believe even y'all. Wasn't y'all? Zeka was at Sony at the time? Yeah, I was up at Sony at the time who else Mark Pitts

I said him earlier I'll say him again I'll big him up all these black CEOs at power we are seeing less and less black CEOs you don't have a Darren I don't think so hold on

I mean music business hold on hold on no no no no put me on stop I like this wine hold on time out I like this wine. Hold on, time out. I like this wine. We had a lot of white executives at the time.

I think what Coach K is doing in Atlanta is ridiculous. Coach K, that is Migos in them? That's Migos in them out of Atlanta. He's dope. Young, there's some other kids. It's Coach K and Coach Tech. Remember. By the way, Tech, Tech.

By the way, both of them. All right, let's not get confused. I'm talking about Coach K and Coach Tech. Remember. What about Tech? Both of them. All right, let's not get confused. I'm talking about Coach K. Coach K. I call Tech Tech. And one is Titty Boy. One of them is with Titty Boy. That's Tech.

That's Tech. All right, look, it's getting weird right now. Let's go. Two Chainz? At least one more point. Two Chainz? I think I can go with it. You got Tech, him.

Coach Tech is with Two Chainz. Coach K is with Migos. Top Dog. Top Dog, definitely. definitely big up top door Those are my people top Then you got my man. He's not He's he's not black, but he might as well be black gauzy Gazi yes, and why you didn't play black to me? He's black We got no Latinos at the top the fuck are we doing?

You suck my meal stuff on body blocks Man, we got no Latinos at the top, man? What the fuck are we doing, man? What the hell? We just talking about Mille Stefan buying blocks, man. I'm a hip hop side. I'm a hip hop side, man. It's too much, man. It's too much stuff. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you, man. Cubans is too much.

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Let's go. You running out of questions? I got questions. No, I got, I got, I am loaded. Listen, so stop. Running through the era of hip-hop, was there ever, because people always wanted to know this. Like I said earlier, I alluded to this. The setup is ridiculous. I alluded to this. People always wanted to know this.

Yeah, because it was like, why are you and Chris lighting? Was it underground management beef at that time, you and Chris? Because it just seemed like, like I said, I alluded to it earlier. I was like, if you were getting money at a certain period, you was either with Chris or you was with Steve. Like, straight up. Like, I'm talking about at that one period. You know what period I'm talking about.

Was there ever, like, problems? Because it wasn't five years I mean how do you talk about this the man passed right now this is a tough conversation of course of course it was it easy for me to just say, you know, Chris did his thing, you know, Chris was a very special, talented dude, man. For me, when I first came up, I looked up to him. And then I became his peer. Then I passed him. And I had to deal with that, I had to deal with that.

He had to deal with that. But it never, but again, back to what I said earlier, it never changed my respect for him. Chris tried to manage him, tried to take him from me, tried to do all kinds of crazy shit while I was managing. But I always held on to the fact that I looked up to him as a man who broke through in the business and everything that he did. And he taught me a lot. So there was never a beef with me. Somebody else would have took it as a beef. I never took it as a beef because I had so much respect for him that I let him get away with passes.

You give people passes. If you respect somebody, like if you're a friend with somebody, you love them, you give them passes. You can't hold them accountable the same way as somebody you don't really fuck with. The person you don't fuck with got one shot to fuck you. The person you love can do it over and over again. You find a way to make it work. And that was our relationship. Or you make excuses for them.

And that's what I'm doing now. You just always have a level of respect for him. And I have respect for him, Mona Scott. I love Mona Scott. Everything that those guys were doing, to me, I appreciate it. I wouldn't be here today. So it was never really a beef. It could have been a beef, but there was none.

There was none. Beautiful thing. Now, you and Puff, y'all are like cooler now. Like y'all had an incident. What was it over? It was an over Puff being on the cross? Yeah. What happened? So...

In the Nas video. The Nas video. It was Hate Me Now. Hate Me Now. Yeah. So I was going back to the thing, man. I told Lenny Santiago this the other day. Okay, he's my fake cousin in the industry.

You know I'm a Santiago as well. Is that what Lenny is? Yeah, Lenny is. We always claimed each other as fake cousins because of our last names are Santiago. That's really weird. Yeah, it's very weird. We always just say, it's weird that you guys are still doing that. You guys are both 40.

Yeah, I knew him when he was 18. Yeah, we're both 40. It's a fact, Steve. Thank you, thank you. I got to stop this immediately. I'm taking your advice. From this day on, boy, we're weird. But I's a fact, Steve. Thank you, thank you. I got to stop this immediately. I'm taking your advice. From this day on, boy, we're... But I do call them my fake cousin.

It's not like we say... We're real cousins. The word cousin is a problem. So, the... Fucking Jay comes out with Hard Knock Life. I'm fucking pissed. Fuck. How the fuck can we get this?

These motherfuckers got a record. This shit is so big. Who produced Hard Knock Life? Don't tell me, I don't know who wrote it, 45 King. Rich, by the way. They had Kid Capri involved in that. They all had 45 King. Hold on, Jay first heard the sample from Kid Capri

and then heard this shit in 45 King produced it right so they heard the snippet of the loop but any record there 45 King producing so now just take you inside the minus young Steve's doubt what am I gonna do I can't sleep but there's no way I can see if this guy has a hit record. Right. And what are we gonna do? I don't know. And um... I went out... And I found... I heard Hate Me Now.

Was Pretty Boy on the original? Pretty Boy was on the record. He was on the original. Tone the... This is what Tone the... This is what Tone the niggas is like, you know what? Steve is taking this thing way too seriously. They checked out of this part of the process.

Like, I'm finding a record. I don't give a fuck if it comes from him, whoever. I'm finding a record. I got to beat Hard Knock Life, period. Fuck everything. I go find a record. Foxy plays me the record, doesn't even give a fuck about it. Like, this shit is stupid. said that um she's there again

Jelani produced it I called D dot I'm like Derek you produce a song or hate me now pretty boy on it how could you not even play that funds cuz back then you can call producers like right you have the right to get the first hot beat of course especially a relationship I have no idea what you're talking about Foxy made that up didn't shock me wait what? She said that they're produced it dirt didn't produce it. Oh, wow. She was trying to make the record like Like it was it was a great song But in order to make it to market it like oh we got Dirk Angeletti, me or it wasn't Dirk Angeletti.

As I find out when I call Dirk. So then I call her brother. I call Pretty Boy. Pretty Boy. I'm in the studio. I said Pretty Boy, Gavin. I didn't call him Pretty Boy. Right.

You didn't. Gavin. So I said Gavin. I was the lame. I'm sorry. It was me. It was me. I said Gavin, you got gotta come to the studio.

He comes to the studio and I play him the rough. I'm like, who did that? He goes, I did. I said, you produced this? He said, yep. I said, go get me the masters right now. I want them shits tonight. Yeah.

I'll buy them for me. I want that record. Yeah. That song. He said to me, I'll give it to you. I need a set. I said,

what the fuck is a set? I still don't know what a set is. He said, imagine chain and bracelet. I said, I got you with the set. I can't do it right now. But go. It's cold as fuck. It's the winter. I said, go got you with the set. I can't do it right now. But go.

It's cold as fuck. It's the winter. I said, go get the shit. He starts to leave. I said, no, no, no. Give me your mink. I took his mink coat. Left the mink in the, I said, leave your mink in the studio.

I'll give it back to you when you come back. This is getting weird, style. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go, style. It's not getting weird. No, not weird. It's just different.

Let's go. I'm in. I'm in. I'm trying to get the song not wet. It's just different. Let's go. I'm in. I'm in. I'm trying to get the song. He took his mico and... Because I don't think he's going to come back.

I just feel like it's mad cold in this time. I don't know. It is cold. Yeah, people take their mico and leave. I feel like it's 40 below outside and you let them leave with a t-shirt on. I thought this was drink change. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he have a sweater on or not?

It's not a freeze change, man. He could have been a word reader. Oh, no. He could have been a word reader. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He freeze chance, man. He could have been a word reader. Oh, no. He could have been something. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. He wasn't just that.

He was something, man. He was going to take it. He was about to get a set. Good, good stuff. He comes back. He comes back with the record. Big up Gavin. Good.

He comes back with the song. Mm-hmm. And that was it. He was trying to sound like Puff and Maze. I was about to ask that. That was the next thing. He was trying to sound like Puff. Puff was the biggest star in the that. That was the next thing. He was trying to sound like Puff. Puff was the biggest star in the world.

I give the record to Nas. I'm like, I'm telling everybody, this is the single. Everybody, I don't care what you do. I don't care what anybody does. This is what we're doing. This is going to beat hard, not life. This is a fact. Then you got to go to Queens.

No, no, no, no, no. Okay, I'm skipping this guy. So then after that, we go, Nas records the record. How many times did I mix that record? Over and over. I would mix it over and over and over and over and over and over again. There's such a valuable lesson in my life with that song. Because I wanted it so bad. I wanted it so bad.

And he recorded that mix. Then Puffy recorded it. Then we go to shoot a video. The video's a million dollars. Woo! Hype William wants a million dollars to shoot it. Woo! Puffy has this idea.

We're going to drive the cross through the desert. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. And Puffy taught me something. He taught us all something very smart back then I think about It all the time. He's like When you want to do something like really fucking shocking But you got to do like I mean he had shot this R Kelly video anyway in a convertible

And it was raining or snowing or something like that He's like that's when you do that shit like you drop the top and it's raining outside that shit is dope Like we're gonna perform on the top of a bodega and like that bitch like it's Madison Square Garden. I'm like oh Shit and I was like, that's what I didn't can it be so simple the Wu Tang video. I made the projects look beautiful And I'm like So now I got the vision we're gonna hate me now Jesus went through being hated. We're gonna do this thing in Queens. We're gonna light this shit up. All right, cool. We go through the whole thing, shoot the video, million bucks spent, and puff two days before his reverend doesn't want to be him on the record. Puff on the cross. Puff has a reverend

who didn't want him to be on it and I have to respect what his reverend says. I'm going to sue him like Puff because there were black crows on the cross and it was very very dark. Puff was on the cross. But they didn very dark right we put crows on the cross but they didn't do that

as they were actually there right it could have been I don't remember I don't remember okay good it could have been CGI shit

huh was it CGI it could have been CGI it was dark it was very very dark and I could see why a preacher or some man

in religion would have an issue and it's blasphemous to if you're religious to represent to mock the eye right right doesn't change that the narrative is ridiculously dope you know Right, right, for sure. And his blasphemousness, if you're religious to represent. To mark, to mark, yeah. Right.

Doesn't change that the narrative is ridiculously dope. You know, it's dope. Cinematic. They're on the other side of Jesus Christ. No one ever talks about the two other guys. Right, right. Oh word. Yeah, the thief.

No one talks about those guys. They're the gods. This is Spencer Wilder. Good, I fucks with it. So, go ahead, continue. So, the. Boom. guys this is present waters good fucks with it so good I continue so the sorry over boom so he was he was a guest man at home after his past knows before him or is it before before hand pump is like no no no no no but the edits already done shouldn't they do another edit without him on the cross but this is the

part that puff got I'm the manager does the company spent Company spent the money They have two videos done and it's a to our own Walkman everybody wants to be on TRO and the world premiere. That's what all rock artists were getting The rap artist wasn't getting that right? Hip-hop is not getting that. But now we're going to take down Hard Knock Life. You know?

Anyhow. This is a TRP man. It comes out. The head of the record company, who was the head of Sony Music at the time, this guy named Don Einer. This is a guy, this guy, absolute racist. Let's go to his now. Right?

He dropped 50 Cent. He dropped Alicia Keys. He, he did not fuck with anything if it had a problem attached to it. This is Columbia Records

he's saying. Columbia Records, the guy who edited it was a complete pig. This guy, Straight up. Yeah. This guy. Straight up. Yeah, this guy puts up the money.

So now, when Puff wants to change the video, Donnie's like, I already laid out the money, but I can't even, I'm trying to get Puff to see the other side, but I can't control, they're putting that video on TRL. When a video goes up, if everybody holds me responsible, not even knowing that there's a guy who wrote the check who's like, he knows what that cross scene is. That shit was half of that million dollars.

He's not taking that shit out for the TRL War for Man. Yeah, he's accounting for it. Puff sees the video, TRL goes on at 3 o'clock 3.02 Four niggas in my office They jump me They beat me up in my office 3.02 3.03 That's what happens

What takes place Within years after that Is Like My relationship with Puff We both came up at the same exact time we're both we may be doing this we came over heavy D right like the two oldest guys who've been doing it the longest maybe because I remember I was I was in puffs office when Magic Johnson announced he had AIDS.

Like, that was 92. Like, I remember specifically being in his office, and he was promoting the party. He worked at Uptown. Like, that's how long I know this guy. So our relationship was long, and it was always a mutual respect. Even when he was as big as he was, the biggest star in the world, I never felt like I couldn't call him or whatever, whatever, whatever. So when that took place, it was fucked up.

And I was embarrassed, naturally. I was embarrassed because I didn't want that to be, to define who I was. Like some motherfucking bum-ass nigga that got jumped. That got beat up. That puff and all this bullshit. And definitely he called my moms, apologized to my moms. Wow, that's real.

That meant more to me than anything else. Wow. And then like, you know. That's how close you was. But when did that happen, the apology? When it happened, he immediately called my moms. Wow. That was the immediate thing.

You have to call my mother. You get jumped and then the next thing is a call? No, no, you got to call my mother. First for the jumping My mother doesn't know if I'm gonna die in this music business So all she's doing is looking at all this You gotta call her I need to get that off of my back

Like you everybody knows that So we got past The mom thing And then It was wild It was weird because it was a very pivotal

point in my life because I'm like, you know, I got money too. I can hire soldiers. We can do whatever. Like, you could do that,

right? You could easily do that. Yeah, like a tit for tat. Yeah, you could definitely play that game. I'm not that guy.

Right. I'm not that guy. And y'all was cool enough. He knew your family. No, he didn't know my family to call my mom. It wasn't about he knew my mom. He'd call her whether he knew or not. The aftermath,

when you look at it now, I stay in his house. He stays in my house. I'm proud of him. Another situation that age well yeah well how do you all amend that though how do y'all men that how does that happen was it do knives I feel like no no that was nice was worthless and trying to fix that. Oh, yeah? That situation. Not that he's not the greatest artist

of all time. Right, right. In that situation. Right, that's all. Come on, man. Let's not play the art association too hard. You're both tycoons,

so how the hell does two tycoons work out a problem that was misfortunate? How does this happen in real life and real time? Yeah, we could all

learn from that. Yeah, we could all learn from that. Well, I have to walk around for two years and people saying, didn't Puffy hit you over the head with a bottle? I have to walk around. I have to own that. Right.

That didn't happen, but, you know, I got to jump. But that's over your head. Yeah, I got to deal with it. Yeah, it was on Instagram back then, so whatever they say. That feeling could easily allow you to go get some guns or some guys and go do something in order for you to feel like you weren't a victim. Like you were just somebody. Like you weren't, no, I'm that guy. But in life, you got to play the marathon, man. You got to play the long game. You got to play the long game. But We gotta In life

You gotta play the marathon You gotta play the long game You gotta play the long game But I'm here This guy At Chris Lighty's wedding Oh no This story I heard

From many times So you're gonna hear it from me now Because he invited me to the wedding And I was like You're disrespectful You're gonna hear it from me on tape This guy at Chris Lighty Wedding, is a drunk fool at this man's wedding. But he remembers it quite clearly.

And he's going around and he's flipping out on me. And he's like, Chris Lighting's wedding. And this guy, right? It's in Miami. It's in Miami, by the way. I remember the record we produced. I was married to Jay Blas. It was like a firm.

Yeah. First time I remember. This is the way. Do you remember the record we produced? I was married to J Blige, it was like a firm. Yeah, yeah. This is the thing. You walked in, it hurted my feelings so bad. I took you off the record? No, I was still on the record. But y'all said, you walked in and you said something like, you sure we gonna keep him on the record?

In front of me. Like I wanted you to two-way that in or something. You just said it in front of me. Like, I wanted you to two-way that in or something. You just said it in front of me. But you know what? And let me just say something. I recently came to you at Nas. She did. His thing.

And I apologize to you. She did. Because you know why? I needed, you didn't give me, it's not that you didn't give me no love. You gave me the toughest love ever. And you being from Queens and we being from Queens, I realized that 20 years later that I needed that. I needed you to be tough on me. Like, when you walked in,

I was the only guy that was on that record that wasn't firm. You were supposed to question that moment. Nori. No, no, no, chill, chill, chill. Let me big you up

because this is big enough. And so those years, I was mad at you because I was like damn because like I Was used to people being fake to me like they all talk about me behind my back. You actually told me in front I'm like, stop! Two-way this in! Niggas do that right now! Two-way this in! And even, I'm leaving. You questioned whatever it was,

and I needed that tough love. Like, listen, listen, listen, because that's who makes me who I am today. And in retrospect, when I hear you speak about other artists, I could see it because Chris had invested me a little early. And I was Nas' friend and Jungle's friend. But I just didn't have no, like you said, structure.

So I understand later. It's just like you said. You just called Dame. That's what I felt with you. And I was like, you know what? Because the thing about it is I want it that way. I want to just be able to. If somebody don't see the picture,

I like that. You know what I'm saying? I mean, now, I can realize that. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm here today. That's why you're here today. How about that? I'm here today because you apologized.

You said it to me. I was tough on you. I listened to all your music, baby. You used to take rhymes off, say some crazy shit that was not... But you could also write. Listen to your rhymes on T say some crazy shit that was not there when you, but you could also write. Right. Listen to your rhymes on T-O-N-Y.

Mm-hmm. Just listen to what you say. Mm-hmm. Then you go to some other records and you don't even give a fuck. Yeah. It's definitely true stuff. Yeah. And I'm like, you can't do that.

Go, go, go. I'm sorry. It's very true. It's very true. You got me. You got your back. No, it's very true. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. It's just. He got you. No, it was very true.

Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. It's just that, you know what it was? You never said anything. You should have told him too. Nah, he, nah. No record I ever came out, slacked on any rhyme on a Trackmaster beat. That's a fact because- By the way, what's his name?

That's, what's his name? I'm leaving? I'm leaving. Oh my God. I killed that. You killed that? Yo, let me tell you something. Yo, let me tell you something. Yo, you definitely killed that. Let me tell you something.

You definitely killed that. You killed that session? That was Nature's session. No, you were a bully, man. I was a bully. It was Nature's session. Don't describe it like that. Damn.

Damn. A little bit. I do agree with you. I got to get on that. I got to get on that. Listen, listen. OK, describe that session, please. That was the session.

It's in LA. Remember, it's in LA. Right. OK. We was wrapping up the Firm album. Yes, I thought I was finished. We had to put Nature on some more joints, and Nori pops up. Yes.

I need to get on this Firm album. Yes. No wonder, they flew me out. I actually got flew out. I got $15,000 of a publisher who was bored out of everything. That song, I think, originally was for Nature. It was fantastic. I know what was it, though.

I was happy to be a part of a classic. Continue. It was for Nature. No, it was Nature's session, that's how I remember. I came in and you played the beat and Nature had nothing for it. And I couldn't resist saying, I got something. I got something, exactly.

And I went in and look, shit a lot of people don't know I come from the unique days like I'm sorry I'm gonna show how I'm 40 years old 40 years style already blew me up he must have googled he knew he said you nigga I just guessed yeah everybody's 40 I'm 40 you know I'm really 40 so I come from unique studio days where you write the whole rhyme and you lay it as such. So I remember that. I lay it, I leave, and remember the tape, the two-inch reel. I had laid the whole rhyme in front of nature, and they was like, didn't we say this is this like I made the whole even like like but now I can't say one tape but I had because I had had an idea he was training me yeah I was definitely wasn't one take nah he knows

that that one bloody money part two we did I ain't when he had to chop up his verses maybe that's how I wrote rhymes back then. Listen, listen. I had wrote rhymes back then, Stout, as a whole thing. The song is ridiculous. But I would do 30. You better do it right now. I would do 32 bars and then two bars.

You don't play music like if we say something, you can't hit like a bomb? Oh, no. No, I can't do that. We ain't trying to play no pubic company, Stout. Let's live, Stout. What are you doing? You should relax these two. You should relax these two. You didn't want to relax you the whole episode. You know We're not going to take it to that level. No, but look. Let me ask you something, Steve. And Tone, too. Look, you know sound exchanges, right?

Mm-hmm. Now, sound exchange is something that is internet BMI. It's internet ASCAP, right? That's the government. It's the government. Now, they pay you for every song. So now, let's suppose in on a podcast. A podcast is something that you don't play music or whatever, right?

But let's suppose, because Steve like me you and told me some Money in this way look we're gonna start making sound exchange recognize Recognize a podcast when we play music so now I'm tired now we can get selling stage for podcasting period This is I'm saying listen listen listen Soundstage pays you for your internet. Internet royalties. Let me ask you a question.

I'm not going anywhere. Hold on a second. OK, cool. Because I became a member of the Soho House today. And I'm not even going to get my membership. Yo, I've changed, Steve Stout. I'll tell you. I can tell.

I can tell. I'm a member of the Soho House now. I can tell. I'm very proud of this, by the way. I've never played the game. You know what was my problem coming up? I just want... This is a different dude, right?

It's crazy, right? You're a different guy. Stop blowing me up, style. You've been going there already. Stop. Listen, I realized I fucked up. What I mean by that is some of the most famous years of my life, I didn't want to play the game.

You ever watch Entourage? You didn't take advantage of it. Where Artie Gold says to Vince, you never played the game, Vince. Like, I had success. I went platinum and I still wanted to hang up the tunnel. I never wanted to go over there. I never wanted to go to like... That's not... Hold on, stop. Okay. Hold on.

Ben, stop. You can throw it out it's not like you shouldn't have made money when platinum and you still should have went to the tunnel well those things are cool you just weren't you if you don't take your craft seriously if you don't work on your craft you take it for granted take Take it for granted, I think, is the main thing. That's the issue. The issue is taking it for granted.

You don't fuck the Soho house. Right. You just don't take the Soho house. I'm not saying whatever. The food isn't great. It isn't? No, the vibe is good. The food isn't great.

But the Malibu one is fantastic. The Malibu, that's a separate vibe. That's a whole other thing. It's a separate vibe. I got that membership, too, as well. Sorry. I'm sorry. Come on, guys. Come vibe. That's a whole different thing. It's a separate vibe. I got that membership too as well, son. I'm sorry. I just want you to know. Come on, guys. We're not members of the soul. Yeah, you gotta relax. Yo, listen, I know what you be getting.

I screen movies. I screen my movies. Let's make some noise for E.M. and Brian at Brand New House. Hey, Brian! They like shit. Look, he's the guy. He's never gonna show you he got money. Like he's never, there's never like, fuck daddy, take care of it. Like the million dollar cell phone.

Yeah. You're not saying he's being a joker. I'm not saying he's a joker. I'm not saying he's a joker. It's a Cuban beat. It's a Cuban beat. It's a Cuban beat. It's a Cuban beat.

Look at his stuff. Like now, hip hop, I'm sorry, we gonna change the subject real quick. Hip hop, it's really actually Has a chance to be wealthy and for a while people only had a chance to be rich or be What I like to call hood rich or nigga rich. Now it's a real chance for us to have wealthy Wealthy babies. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We just are. I'm gonna take a shot of your whiskey. I never did this. I don't drink all the niggas drink. Yeah, did you? Take a shot of your whiskey I never did this

You want to yeah, I can't get my soul card Okay, you're gonna teach me more rich shit. I'm right here. I'm not calling you more office stuff. I'm not going anywhere. I've been texting you, I wanted to do this, man. Don't tell me about the fucking soul eyes. Okay, okay, I'm so sorry, stop it. Stop bringing it up. This is my first time. Look, but look. It doesn't matter.

You gotta teach rap class. You gotta. I'm teaching it right now. But I mean, in all actuality, right? So he wants you to be a bigger academy. Guys, look. The issue is the following man at some point you gotta really believe that you're not full of shit and getting over

to make some money you just gotta know that stop the hustle you really are talented right you really are good you really are bringing more to the table than anybody realizes. And once you start believing that, accepting that truth, then you'll start making deals that are applicable to what you are putting up

for the transaction to work. And that's how we're going to make all the money. Whether it's a big or not, I'm entering the music business again. I'm going back in the music business. That's the announcement you're about to make? Yeah, I'm going back in the music business. You're making a label?

Yeah, we're going back in the music business. Hold on. Everybody be quiet. Hold on. You're going back in the music business. I'm going back in the music business. We need a black CEO. I spent my time.

I learned the music business then I went and I built an advertising company there's nothing about advertising yes you did all of a sudden everybody got cool advertising I was there five years of natural the word was yeah what was natural to me right you put Pepsi well who you did Mountain Dew commercials You you introduce the Jay-z Screams all that shit. They wouldn't even be no sneakers. Oh not hip-hop sneakers Did you just tell me had something to do the Yeezys because then I'm gonna know that you again What's Jay-Z's thinking the first hip-hop sneaker there was a failed

Attempt to do it who Jay-Z was no run DMC with a bonus. Oh Cuz they didn't have you Monument to was that because that was the first time you see Jay-Z and 50 cent actually in a commercial? In a commercial. Yeah. How monumental was that? Did they go back and forth? They went back and forth rapping. For me, that's what I do, man. I'm really, really nice at what I do.

No, we know that. That's probably why I was mad at you all these years. I just wanted some of the help. I just wanted some of your money. Come on, you got to help me out. Keep it in. No, but not the money part. I really see it from that perspective.

Anyhow, going back to the music business, I feel like artists, there's always going to be big artists. There's always going to be artists who don't really need anything other than the fact that once they get up and they rock, they can go on tour tour make a lot of money Then there's a lot of artists that are not those big artists and they really do need help And if you're gonna sell money You're gonna sell music is gonna get stream And you get all these streams and by the time it goes through your label and get to you you make this amount of money

You already know you're not gonna make any money from the streams you're going to make your money touring selling merch selling hats selling all this shit so we're building a company called united masters right and the job of united masters is specifically to be able to take all the data that comes off of your streaming and allow you to find those people in the real world so that you can sell them merch and tickets and shit directly. So you don't have to no longer go through the label to do it. So it really is more... So it's not 360?

No, well, it's... It's an agency or a platform that people can... It's because of the agency to become a platform. It's a platform that artists can go on and then figure out exactly who their fans are so they can sell shit directly. So anybody can go to the platform? Any artist. Right.

Any artist who's invited to the platform can go up. Invited, okay. Yeah. So meaning, okay, so you just can't be somebody off the street and just post your shit on there. You have to be invited. No, in the beginning we want to make it closed. We just can't do it with everybody. Yeah, because it gets crazy. Right. You have to be invited. No, in the beginning, we want to make it, we want to make it close. We just can't do it with everybody. Yeah, because it gets crazy.

Right. You know, it gets crazy. Nowadays. Eventually, is it like a bankcamp.com? No, we looked at all those things. And why all those things didn't work? What's bankcamp? Actually, they're a very good platform.

I'm sorry. The name I've never liked, but the platform is really great. Bankcamp? They gave artists tools. Not at all. Bing Camp gave artists tools to be able to understand how to make money outside of just the music business. I'm taking everything that I've done in making artists money outside the music business.

You want to talk about the work that I've done in that area? Yes, please. Yes, I would like you to take the lead of this conversation right now. It's fantastic. I've always been the guy to figure out how we're going to make money outside of the music business. That's one thing. That's a label.

That's this, that's that. But how are we going to sell sneakers? How are we going to sell more tickets? How are we going sell sneakers how are we gonna sell more tickets how are we gonna get endorsement deals push a T writing I'm loving it for McDonald's make down yes this is always been trying you made that deal yeah what made you think push your T go right I'm lovely but and make down and everybody race that I heard grinding I'm like crying I'm like I just like that's why I was mad at you I was gonna read mr. Grinder you ain't think that about me push the team wrote the

raps he wrote push the team was Pusha T was the writer on that. He was the 10 man. He was the whole shit. I put the whole shit around Pusha T. Justin Timberlake was the front man. Pusha T was behind the scenes. Right. Which is crazy.

Makes the most money behind the scenes. He's probably the most drug dealer rapper in the world. And every time you heard I'm loving it, you have never thrown a Pusha T in your life. And he doesn't want you to. He just wants rapper in the world. And every time you heard I'm loving it, you have never thrown a push of tea in your life. And he doesn't want you to. He just wants to take the check. Until just now. Anyhow.

That is dope. So the fact that now, what I want to build, and this is crawl, walk, run thing. We'll get there. Three years, five years, ten years, we'll get there. Is how does artists stream their music and then be able to know who the fuck is streaming my shit?

Because if they like my shit, if they listen to my songs 75 times, then they definitely want to buy a Dream Champs hat. If somebody listens to every episode of this show, wouldn't you love to know who they were to sell them this hat? That's what we're trying to do. That's what I'm doing. And that's what we're building. We're putting a team together to do that. And it requires the delicate relationship between storytelling, culture,

and technology. And putting those things together. And that's what it is. And it's not a pie-in-the-sky idea. It's the next evolution of where we need to go, where culture needs to go. We need to know who our super fans are. Super thug.

Now, are y'all partners on that? Yeah, Tone's, of course. God damn it. So you gonna produce this shit? No. Tone is a strictly executive now? Tone's a strictly executive. Tone's strictly executive. Tone is helping find the artist.

But I was going to say something. You said something, man. Oh, shit. You do enough. You just need to work for this. You know, I'm a ADD. That's what happens. This is why this shit works.

We all over the place now. This is why this shit works, man. You take the good with the bad. But if you knew exactly all the people who watch the show, and you were able to say, you know what? There's 100,000 people who would love to buy that shirt, wear that hat. Oh, yeah. You want to upgrade us right now.

That's all. You want to be in that business. And you don't want to go through anybody else to interrupt that relationship. Right. Just so you know. And by the way, Instagram is cool. And Facebook is cool. But they don't really tell you who this is.

Is this a direct-to-consumer type of deal? Ultimately, we're building a direct-to-consumer business. Just so you know, this is 8 and 9 Clothing Store. They're doing their thing. We partnered up with the Drink Champs. They handle our merchandise, and this is dope. We could definitely use your expertise in helping us in a direction because, nigga, don't nobody on Earth

have Tom Brady number besides you, nigga. You gotta relax and you gotta make some noises, because I like it. So, would we ever have like an era like we had again, like where it was like so much years of great great music or is it more about making an artist of like because because right now uh like it seems like the music is just so disposable it doesn't i don't want to you know we can't please help me it's tough, bro. It's yeah

It's tough what you're about to do. It's tough. Believe me stuff man I think because because remember like remember and like I don't want to date us play in the 90s They went in the 90s. I'm saying all of us in the 90s. It felt like when I'm when a record was a class When I reckon with some notes, oh, no, that's that's what vault cameras. She's funny. You don't like it? Are you stuck with something else? Oh, no. That's with all cameras. That's how people's right there. You got to relax.

Listen, but in our day, it felt like back then, right? When a record was a classic, it actually held up. I wanted to wait for my partner. I didn't want to do the work. When are you coming? Okay. Goddamn, Steph. Goddamn, Steph.

I feel like you want to go there. I feel like you want to go there. I'm in. You in bed? All right. Yeah, when you come okay But back then didn't feel like a record like lasted long It's not for this time he wanted the record but look didn't feel like a record lasted longer back then or Now these records come and they go like like I for you for you right style I'll direct this perfectly to you these people will come to you and say You have French Montana's Cirocat? Yo no they drank that shit all You didn't get the French you know?

We got it yeah we drank it all There you go But listen you know I'm rapper it, yeah. We drank it all. There. But listen. You know I'm rapper friendly. That's E-40 shit. We used to have um, Bel Air, but Young Saab he be slow. But, you know, we got Deleon.

But didn't it seem like back then like the records, when a record was a hit, it actually lasted 10 years. Like it actually spread. it actually lasted 10 years. Like they actually spread. It wasn't 10 years. Like a classic, I mean. Okay. A classic holds the test of time.

Yeah. Are we not seeing that? Like the records, like you'll hear somebody ill. I'm just popping, man. And I'm popping my car. What song do you think now will last, you'll listen to 10 years from now? That's the real question. Not many. Not many is a good answer. Which ones? I think some of Kendrick's records will yeah Yes, I can say that I think Drake has some. Drake got records that will. Yeah

I'm gonna give a little Uzi Vert some love. I don't really care if you love. That shit does something to my soul sometimes. Like I ain't gonna lie, I know I'm an old nigga. I'm 40, it's facts. Nah, I'm not 40 my age. But it's something. Who? I mean, but Catchy to me is not what he's describing.

It's something in my soul that comes on and I just be like, ah shit. I don't do his dance that he do. He gotta dance I don't agree with. I do not agree. He be like ah shit. I don't do his dance that he do he got a gig out of there I don't agree. I do not agree So I tried one day How many songs did you know he make that work 10 years later other than country gram damn style you gonna dance down No, nothing that I remember Beyond so now we made one song no No, Down Down Baby is still lit.

That's Country Ground. I said that? Oh, damn. He said it. I did. I did. So what is your voice now? I'm making a...

Hot in here. Hot in here. No, no, no. I'm hot in here, okay? Hot in here, right? Hot in here before Country Ground. Yeah, okay. Okay?

So let's say Nelly has three songs. How many songs does Ja Rule have? Last 10 years. Last 10 years? 10 years later. Now. That are still resonating. Everybody gets weird when the question comes up.

No, I'm asking you. I want to understand the question. The question is, how, songs today, his, he's saying, hipsets won't last. So he's saying, I like Lil Uzi Vert, this one song, blah, blah, blah. Right. My question is, and I'm going to take it around. Yes. Back from our era.

Right. When classics were being made. Right. Right. How many songs from now, he played 10 years later. Right. When classics were being made. Right. Right. How many songs do you know he played 10 years later? We're saying two, maybe three. Right. All right.

So then I ask Ja Rule. Right. I'm trying to make a joke. Ja Rule got a job. I'm trying to say that nothing's changed, actually, where I'm getting to. I feel like Ja Rule got a lot. That plays right now. Right now.

I mean, in the parties I go, I'm an old nigga. They still rocking Ja Rule in a lot. That plays right now. I mean, in the parties I go, I'm an old nigga. They still rocking Ja Rule in the party. I go to Wood Tavern. I don't know if you ever been there. Huh? They don't play Ja Rule. Oh, the new clubs, we said.

Now, what's the point? That you're really trying to play? Yeah, yeah. So we could... This guy fucked up. He ran from the point. Yeah, definitely. I'm good.

I'm good. The point of the matter is... Yeah. In our definition, definition of what a hit is right we may look at our era we love it so much that we covet more than we listen to the music today we're like this shit is disposable this is bullshit the truth of the matter is a lot of music that we listen to back then was bullshit as disposable Wow but we don't say that. But when you look at it 10 years later, Nelly had a great career.

So it's a generational thing. It's a generational thing. You look at Nelly, it's three songs. Ja Rule, tell me how many records it is. And I hate to use those two guys. Because outside of Nelly, outside of Nas and Jay-Z or Biggie, those are the guys, right? Those are the... That is differentiation, what you're saying right there.

Because to me, you're saying like the Nas, the Biggie, that's like Bob Marley. Yeah, forget those guys. That whole catalog is going to be revered for life. And everybody else who came on the heels of that, hey, what did they do that works 10 years later? Right. Right? So now we're going to say, oh, Kendrick, Drake, whoever. And now we're naming only artists 10 years later.

Right. That's all. And if there's a bunch of guys who made a bunch of records, who made some money in between, fuck it. Fuck it. I don't want to shit on them. Fuck it. They're doing what they had to do.

He walked into a fucking session that wasn't his. Asshole. It was called work ethic. Good word there, buddy. on believe me I went through that process of like man I hate this shit this music sucks I can't believe this nigga has no rhymes but then you realize that's what the generation likes what do what doesn't work make music for you and me right we got great bands right they don't want I say well all the way white Everybody does that. I know somebody that does that. Who does that? I don't know. That Beijing, baby.

That Beijing. That Beijing, baby. I decided I'm not going there. I've been there a long time. Once somebody got to go to Beijing. You never went to Beijing? Are you crazy? I never went to Beijing. I don't know.

You were there when we shoot Paul's video? Exactly. So now, we asked the best ever at hip hop. We asked. I don't think we really got that very clear to be quite honest with you. No, now listen. We turn eras into three-point eras. You define the era, you define the, does that mean?

I think it's, I think it's, I think it's 88. 87 to 89. Raps, lyrics. 90. I say the 90. He said the 90s. That's what happened. That's why we're not confused. Because he said 90s like a decade

and then he started saying three year increments. Oh, okay. So, we're in disagreement. We're in violent disagreement. What's your favorite era? You know I'm a 90s guy because I came out in the 90s. No, no, no. That's just a three years increment. Three years increment.

Look at the lyrics of 87's. Listen, you can't influence this. I'm talking to my partner here. I'm going to be honest. We recently had Herb Gottlieb on here, right? What did he say? Too much. Great stuff.

Great stuff. Great stuff. We love him. But, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. everybody on here right what he said too much great great stuff great stuff we love but like I always when he was a kid okay I was in the kindergarten Don't nobody go away with that. Kindergarten with another young... You have pictures together? Yes.

We have Buster. Buster said him, Biggie and... Jay-Z and Biggie. ...high school. You and Jay-Z and Biggie high school. What? What's that? Buster, Jay-Z and Biggie high school. Give us the Kindergarten.

Irv and I were in Kindergarten and Irv... Irv... Irv, when he was... I never heard a nigga in caretage nobody still know. This is so hard. I'm so sorry. It's a moment for me style. Continue.

You and Irv Cowley in kindergarten. Is it Charleston Chews involved at any point? Yeah. Now, ladies. How about this? Irv and I were in kindergarten first, second, and third grade together and I'm born on the same day. Oh. I'm not with the kindergarten first second third grade together and I'm born on the same day

And I worked with her his brother as a bank through both bank tell us at Chase Manhattan Bank Oh, we're just gonna be so Chris. Yeah, y'all work with the money early. Oh, yeah, so check this out This is crazy. Drink it more, you're an expensive water. Irv. Get up. Irv. Yes? When he was 14, we had an afro, big ass motherfucking afro. He got... Was Mike Geronimo around? He's light-skinned, curly hair. There was no Mike Geronimo.

No Mike Geronimo? Okay. A fake narcissist. What? That's what you call Mike Geronimo? So anyhow, we go, this guy is hilarious. He's like, you're hilarious. I wasn't that ready.

Stout was ready. I wasn't that ready. Stout came ready, I think, man. Stout came ready. He's like rambling. I so appreciate you right there. Continue to be that guy. Continue. He's like rambling. I so appreciate you right there. Continue to be that guy.

Continue. Sonny, Irv is DJing in the park and spinning at 14 years old. You know when you see the young kid who's a genius and everybody's like, oh, look at this kid? That was Irv on the one and twos. He was a genius. Irv was spinning and cutting at 14 years old. And while everybody else was in the seventh, eighth grade doing normal things,

he was the highlight of the party. Like, featuring Irv Gotti. Wow. This young genius. Irv Gotti's a very, very, very special talent to do, man. Like, I fuck with him. We go back and forth. Like, you know, whatever, very special talented dude, man. Like, I fuck with him. We go back and forth, like, you know, whatever regular nigga shit.

That guy is really talented, loves hip-hop, loves hip-hop history, and I have the most respect for him. I think Tails, what he's doing with Tails is dope. I think he's going to fucking win. I think at the end of the day, when it's all over, Irv Gotti will be at the top let's all make some noise I got one of the funniest stories in the world one day I'm a murder acre what

other people don't know me and John rule when he was 12 million and I was gold, we lived next door to each other. In New Jersey. In Jersey. In Jersey. It was crazy because I had six cars, he had six cars, but his six cars was way different than my six cars. It's 100% that we hated this woman.

But, one day, Irv Gotti is in the Murder, Inc. office. I walk in there. I'm going to get my friend, my next door neighbor, Ja Rule, drunk. And Herb comes in and he says, Steve Stout. He's not talking to me. He's talking to his crew. He says, Steve Stout just told me I fucked up

the way I talked to Nas, because I talked to Nas and I told him I wanted him to own his masters and I wanted him to do this. And Irv's exact words was, Nas wanna think about Africa. He don't wanna go to Africa. Was that true? Damn, look, I can tell it is. Look at this.

And I looked, I was like, oh. I said, I was like, it's funny. It's funny what you're saying right now. I swear to God, I'm in the murder office. Why a mistake? I'm just there. I just happened to be there. And then, and this is Irv got his exact words. He said, you scare him off. He'll never come with you guys.

Irv is just over the top. He just can't control himself. You know. We know. Where do you want to go, we ready. He gave us a shot. Let me tell you, there are certain rappers that I think would have been way better A&R guys than rappers Fat Joe Nori French Montana right now if these guys were executives, oh god. That's what I was trying to say. They could find hits like crazy.

Busta Rhymes finds hit records. No, Busta Rhymes finds hits. Fucking Fat Joe finds hits. That's ridiculous. Fat Joe's crazy. Fat Joe's one of the best A&R guys, period. But nobody knows that because he's trying to make the record himself. He gave the record to somebody else? That's crazy.

You, my friend. Yes. But I'm finding the media outlet right now. I'm running media right now. It's a fucking fantastic thing. I'm just going to throw that out there. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. You know, I was always mad at you for Bam on TV. Why? Why? Oh, shit. Some old school beef.

We're going somewhere deep. These fans are real hardcore fans. They don't watch your TV? No, watch what you say about Bam on TV. I can't. They might be in your DMs. You know Swiss Reducive? Yeah.

I know Swiss Reducive. Thank you for it. Thank you for it, yo. No, everything. I was really upset that you didn't really bring the... You rapped last on that. You were supposed to go crazy. Because that's when, back then, rapping last. Men's music.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You was rapping. Rhymes. Yes. And you... You think I didn't perform on that? This is why we're going to have to be forget. You got to relax now.

Come on. You like your Bama TV versus... You don't like your rhymes, man? No, that's because something you probably wasn't living everybody's talking about nature's wrong no nature shoulder listen let me just tell you hey you without you describe the story now let me just tell you where I took nature's session that I'm leaving I own nature to have that best not the best verse he had a present I still feel like I had the best verse.

But I let him lead it all. First of all, you got hard feelings. You had the best verse on Banffa TV. I had the best verse, in my opinion. This is what I do. No, I know opinions is always where you do that. Yeah, fucking opinions, right? You think nature had the best verse?

I'm welcome to that. You saying you body pun, can't I ain't saying I'm body nobody. I don't look at records like body and good verses on that record. I look at it as a great record. I look at it as a great record. But 20 years later, I'm probably the only artist that's on that record that's still performing that record. Besides Jada and Styles. That's it.

I think Cam moved on. Pun is not a lie. I think Nature is not active. And I think... moved on. Pun is not allowed. I think Nature is not active. And I think I'm the... I mean, that's my brother. But listen, I broke that down. I'm the only artist that's on that record that's still probably performing it,

besides the locks. I think Cam moved on, because Cam is on that record. Big Pun is passed away. Right? Nate is not as active as all the other people that's on that record. And then, so who, so who you have the best verse? Well, that's great that you did it,

like, when you look back at things. I added Nick to this. In retrospect. In retrospect. I was the only guy that said, who's here? You know what? You're right.

Who is here? Who is here? Sometimes, listen, listen. See, see, I learned from CNN. See, I had an album prior to N.R.E. and that album was the super lyrical, it's most lyrical, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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nobody listens to me Nori and his shit was like this it was very it was it was it was very like so uncomfortable you know we was in the baggy suit era cross-color and shit like that nah i i yeah this is a little i was after crash but you know it was like it was cross-colored yeah baggy and all that nonetheless he was the only producer that he said to me he said nobody listens to me and for some reason i had the number one record n-r-e had the number one record. N.R.E. was the number one record in New York at that time. I didn't have to listen to this guy. He said, I'm going to bring you to a world that nobody else is going to go. And I did that.

And this guy comes out to be Pharrell Williams. A lot of people, you can, whatever you want. A lot of people say the reason why the world knows Pharrell is because of that Super Thug record. Can you say that as a producer? I love Super Thug. Is that a good answer? But was that like the first record that people recognized Pharrell? Was that?

I don't mind. I think that was one of the biggest records you and you in for the production the production style on the super tech is they put the Khalees on the hook that's Khalees no no way we all thought that no way the whole with him with him on top of the singing up it was that was a no one seen that sounds definitely this now the sound no the I'm gonna tell you coming from Miami a DJ Now, the sound... I'm going to tell you, coming from Miami, a DJ from Miami, the sound, the difference was, is it had

the beat that the South could relate to. How long were you DJing in Miami? I mean, I started my company in 93 and I was DJing ever since. I used to come down here. I was in How Can I Be Down conventions. That's the only way I could meet people.

I used to come down here. I used to go Can I Be Down convention. That's the only way I can meet people. I used to come down here. I used to go to the club on 5th. What, Liquid? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I did his first solo show in Miami. Huh? He going before that. No, Club New York, New York.

I mean, that might be before my time. I'm 42 years old, just FYI. I used to come down here. Man. What year is that? Tell me what year is that? It was me, DJ Epps, and DJ Khaled. That's the three, the trifecta.

I used to come to Miami in 91, 92, 93. Collins Avenue was a ghost town. Yeah, you couldn't. Yeah, yeah. Hip hop was irrelevant in the beach. Forget that part. I'm talking about it was a ghost town. Yeah, you couldn't, yeah. Hip-hop was irrelevant in the beach. Forget that part. I'm talking about it was a ghost town for human beings. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

Go and stop. This was hood. The beach was hood. But Pirate Radio would break records down here. I did Pirate Radio, and then I did the mixtapes. Oh, EFN loved the mixtapes. You'll go in. Ari is younger than me, but that's my homie. I did the mixtapes. DJ Iry. Oh, Iry loves the DJ Iry. Go, Iry.

Iry is younger than me, but that's my homie. They used to break records down here, man. Yeah, this was the guy. That's what I did. My cousin is a kid named Ant-Man. Yeah, of course I know Ant-Man. Ant-Man is my cousin, man. Of course.

Yo, take that out of you. And in fact, man, who knows who he is? Come on, man. You had to give him the out. That is it. He's the kid you all know. He likes to steal. My cousin used to come out here all the time, man. take down He's final guy no pro free to say ask anybody they gonna tell you that that's what I was doing I like to ask anybody like I know my man Tony's Ask anybody about me in that studio. I lose it down. That's anybody that's the best of the best

That is the best. That's how you feel your best. He don't talk like that, but I'm talking for Yo, yo, you just said ask anybody. I know how you feel what? But when they let me ask you something. I'm sorry, stop. When they talk about that, top five producer of all time, and when sometimes they lead you off that list.

They just asked you, Tone. Jay just asked you last week, were you better than Hitman? Absolutely. Say it. Wait, the bad boy?

Hitman's bad boy? Yeah. Yeah, that shit, I boy? The hitman's bad boy? Yeah. Yeah, that shit, I mean- Well, you must be in that shit. Yeah, of course. D-Dots. D-Dots my man, but-

AKA the Mad Rapper as well. Just answer the fucking question. Yes. Stop, we need you to guess. He must be the pot of shit. At some point, we just have to stop. You know what? We're never gonna need to promote anything, stop.

Can I say something about Trackmasterz? You and Tone are wrong. I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. I wanna have you interview another artist. That would be great. I want you to prescribe. Cause and Tone are wrong. I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. I want to have you interview another artist.

That would be great. I want you to push me. I'm sorry. I got to relax. I got to relax. This is what I think about Trackmasters, personally. I think that before, I feel like the Neptunes is like, everybody knows all the Neptunes. I feel like Trackmasters was the first famous producer duo in hip-hop like Terry Terry Lee and

Jamie J Louie was was the only thing I'm sorry this I'm sorry that for hip-hop the first that's all Steve's marketing Steve took out ads and billboard for producers I was buying full pages run page. Full page ads in billboard. You guys don't even know the type of psycho I am. I'm just there being calm and shit. No, no, no, no, no, no. You can be as calm as you want. You don't see what we do? We put our faces on things, our canvases right there in the wall. To be calm?

No, just to promote ourselves. Oh, okay. Because to promote ourselves because of you first being like will reba when you said I want you know I don't I can talk for so long about so many things that it won't even make any sense. It'll be out of context. Nothing about drink chances. Rich Paul, Rich Paul can sit here. I can have Kobe Bryant

and LeBron James and do a separate sports version of this. They don't tell you the same thing Jay-Z and Nas will say about me. I do my thing to the maximum on all levels. That's my problem. When I get involved, I go all out. Whether it be producers, whether it be artists,

whether it be athletes. I only know one thing, all the fuck out. That's my problem. That's Queens. Who was that first? That's Queens, stay there. Whatever it is. Stay there, stay there, stay there. All the fuck out. That's my problem. That's Queens. That's Queens. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there. Stay there.

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After. After. He kind of... Bitches flipping on... Like... And he took me down to the shit in Atlanta. Markske, he was so talented.

So, so smart. He used to tell me how talented Shock G was, Flavor Flav could play the piano. It was like, he would just like get me there. And I was still living at home with my parents. And I just was, I was just ready. And the one thing he always made me realize

I had to know was, if you knew an artist, what label were they on? If I ever ask you an artist and you don't know a label they're on i'll never return your phone call so you guys have been artists i have to know a label they're on who produced the song who that's why i'm so fucking hip-hop fluid because i just know everything i i just i spent the time if i didn't know it it feels like if i don't know the facts around something you don't think it's an error thing though Maybe I think the error tape and CD

No more you know No Jesus No, Jesus. You got him alive. I don't know why we didn't bring the shield anymore. She left. She was tired. I knew she was tired. There's a shield there? He walked you up. Okay, listen.

While we're here, there's a lot of things we can talk about. Yes. Why didn't Shine make it? In the business? I mean I mean, yeah Never mind that he got Went in and

Got deported But he I thought he Everybody loved him But no one Everybody liked him But nobody loved him Is this a trick question?

No, I swear The fact that Shine Sounded like Big But As a DJ Even though I thought he was dope. One of the people played a Barateng Levy record. Which was a dope record. Then he had the other record. Right, but I think that it was always his Achilles heel that they introduced him as sounding like Big.

And he's on Bad Boy. Had he not come out on Bad Boy... People still liked it. You know how hard that is to do? No, it was dope. It was dope. But if people say Higgles the next Big

and the first record you put out, niggas are like, yo, I love this shit. Dope right now. He did that. That's hard as a motherfucker. Let me just interject for one second. I think that Sean would have actually been

like, like, yo, you're out there. He was the next one. Look, I think, no, no. The next one. I think when he came home. Is that what he's saying? When he came home, he could have been like super huge.

But what happened was Khaled rushed that verse. Remember when Sean came home? And Khaled put him on a record? Yeah, Khaled. Nobody here. Nobody knows what you're talking about no no no listen listen listen what happened was oh yeah I remember I remember I remember what happened was he came out on haiku he courted case yeah he courted listen listen listen listen no no no and it was a bad verse it was really a bad verse he courted case he went away his anticipation home was like field night it It was and it's first verse was terrible. No, I did that

No, but the worst it do everybody because his voice tempo wasn't as the same it was off it was off it was all shine is dope but that was it you could tell what i mean no no disrespect to kyle we all love kyle it doesn't make any sense what you're saying no no you didn't like what he sounded like big when he came back on some new voices no all right listen what you're saying is listen listen i'm gonna be honest with you if Simon came home with big same voice as he had prior to that if you came home with That voice he would have been a new to pop now. I think you're wrong. He would have been somewhere around that range No, no, you know I'm sorry. I'm gonna correct it. Okay good What you're saying is is that it's not that he sounded dope when he sounded like big and then we don't accept him

We're trying to get to him What happened to him people liked his music he did nothing wrong, right? He just Know when he came home he had to be deported You gotta I could tell you this first religion came into play as being a part of a legendary group called Capone and Noriega Capone and Noriega has 500,000 every year in Europe

every year all we gotta do is spend 30 days in Europe but at some point in certain parts of Europe it's terrible it's freezing like shit so you would go there and you would get it Certain parts of Europe, it's terrible. It's freezing like shit. So you would go there and you would get it. How do you smoke weed and your eyes aren't red?

Because I'm your friend, Steve. I wanted to be your friend for so long. I just wanted to keep my life together. Because I just want to get more money. And I feel like I've reached that plateau. Now I got to be like you.'ve got to help me in some way, in some way, in some way. I need to start wearing white suits at some point. No, you don't.

You know, I need to get... Not white suits. You've got to give me rap class. You've got to give me somewhere, somewhere I could... You know who else? You said something about Jim Jones. Jim Jones is a great producer. If Jim Jones had an artist

and different music in front of him and had to put the artist and the music together... Look how many artists Jim Jones introduced. Max B. Jim Jones is dope. I just don't get along with him. He... It always happens like that.

I don't care about that part. I go through that part. First of all, for me, I know who it suits. 50's talented. Oh, God, is he talented. He's not a talented rapper or writer, but he's talented. Jim Jones is talented. Nas and Jay-Z are...

The problem with rap music was it made... There it goes. If you weren't a talented rapper, then everybody else was like fake versions of them. And the truth of the matter is there's so much talent that the art form needs to move forward. And like what Jay-Z and Nas do, specifically, are words.

50 is Vince McMahon. He's Vince McMahon. Vince McMahon is the best. Vince McMahon is so good that when he actually copied and tried to make the NFL,

if you look at the camera angles that they did, that's what the NFL uses now. Vince McMahon. The overhead cam. The overhead cam. Vince McMahon invented that. But we're watching the NFL every day.

When he started that bullshit football league that no one watched, it was terrible, but he produced the shit out of an idea. That's 50 Cent. 50 Cent is ridiculously talented. I think

Jim Jones is talented at a thing. When you put Jim Jones, Nas, 50, all these guys together, as you talk about culture, if they were to make a product, it would be Disney. These guys are great.

It's just that everybody's so separated that these things don't come together. You don't put the writer, the animator, the storyteller, anything together. But if you ever put them together... So it's like a lack of team?

How the fuck you think Batman happened? Yeah, that is that's not one guy who just drew this guy That's five guys together saying this guy lives in this house Gotham City and a fucking thing up in the sky That took five guys But in revenue those five guys can't talk to each other Cuz one guy's making money doing this that night so they don't fuck with each other. That's fucked up. That's right.

Ew. I've never been speechless on drink champs in my life. That's, listen, I'm visualizing what he's saying. You visualizing? I got to sleep that night, bro. I got to deal with myself. What about me? Pray for me. I got to go to sleep at night knowing this shit ain't happening. You're way too smart. Every ADD, that shit you just said.

And you got to sleep with yourself. You're way too smart Steve. For him to do it with himself? And you gotta sleep with yourself you wait to smart the Key I get why he's rich and everything but definitely could figure out life before it happened Like there's a revolution though. No wisdom tomorrow's gonna happen Yo, I know I did stupid that it's like like like like, you know, what's the shit conspiracy? Oh the shit with Tom's another question he go on like that I'm in rockin America Rayquan where does Rayquan sit he's a great I think one of best nurses one of the best nurses the whole be honest with you he goes down he's not there I think he's one of them. Yeah. Past Beanie.

I ain't think that far, but- Okay. Jadakiss, past that. He's past that? Yeah. In that group? Yeah. Okay.

But when we say Nas, this is not disrespectful. Yeah, no, no, no. These are about Nas and Jay. If you ask every rapper about Nas and Jay, they'd be like, yeah, that's cool. Right. Who they are. But they're in the elite league. Nas-

Well, when you start coming off of that thing- In the league. Nas and Jay. Nas and Jay. Nas and Jay. Nas and Jay about Nas and Jay Z, they'd be like, yeah, that's cool. Who they are. But they're in the elite league. When you start coming off of that thing, who's the guy? Who's the one to end? Kanye.

This is why it's going to be very controversial right now. Lyricist-wise? Listen. Hold on. Hold on, stop. We're talking about lyrics. I'm not making this up. I think that's a different thing. What did you say?

It's stardom. Because the thing about it- I think Kanye is more of an embodiment of everything. Stardom doesn't count. Stardom doesn't count. That don't count. Okay. All right.

So now I need to understand your question. So you're saying greatest of all times? Lyrics. Lyrics? I don't want to talk about this. Let's move on. No. No.

No. No. No, we started this. No, no, I don't like this. It's not good for none of us. It's not good for none of us. It's not good for none of us. But let's go there. But I've got to be careful. Yes, you have to be careful. No, I'm going to be careful.

You know what it is? It's Drink Champs. You guys got to get other people on. No, no. But then they need to come and defend the title. I know what's going on. No, the thing about it is this. I can see what's going on.

I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I am NOT Politically record at all. Don't nobody pay me. I Always said one drink champs and you could record this I am I said that Here's the crazy shit for young people because we have first started with CBS big up CBS We saw the CBS no no problem with no longer CBS We are no longer at CBS, but they are they are no longer CBS. We are no longer CBS

Yeah, yeah, but let me say something well it sounds confusing but go ahead good They gave us we're multiple deals Down to okay. I just read it so look so the thing about it Got that Johnny blue though You know what? It's Johnny Blue. What kind of liquor is that? Am I supposed to take a shot of that? Because you took so many shots.

I ain't nobody here that Johnny Blue is so smooth. I'm in. I'm not in. I'm in. Sorry. I'm in. Puff will be very happy. It's a Diageo brand. He's distributed everything he does to us?

I don't know how that goes. No. So why would he be happy? It's part of the family. It's a family brand. Guys, listen. How far do you want to go with this conversation? As far as we want to take it. We're going to take it. We're going to take it. We're going to take it. We're going to take it. Why would he be happy? It's a family brand. Guys, listen.

How far do you want to go with this conversation? As far as we want to take it. This is what we do at Drink Chat. And listen, let me tell you something. Is that an automobile? We're not opening up this. Is that an automobile? No, you take that. I felt like you went away from what the fuck you were saying.

It's an automobile. Let me tell you something. What does that mean? What fucking change? I started noticing class But, but stop. Like, you've been the guy to sit at, because, because, let me just, let me just big you up for one second. Okay, sir. Please, please.

I appreciate that, sir. Let me get this for you. Like, the thing is. I'm rocking out. Damn, this dude's just taking the one bottle. I'll take a shot of that with you. Should I take a shot with that with you? Are you drinking my tarp?

I think you should drink the Johnny Blue. I think it's time. I think it's time? I'll take a shot of that with you. Should I take a shot with that with you? Because you drink my tarp. I think you should drink Johnny Blue. I think it's time. I think it's time. I'll take a shot with you. OK. I mean, I'll do it with you. How about that? I'll do it too.

I don't want to. You gotta talk about my porn. I don't want to. But I'll do it. But I'll do it. You was the guy. Listen, I have to. Please, I need everybody to sit back and relax.

I don't think that's right. And the thing about Stout is, no no, style, I gotta big you up. Fuck my mind. Is you recognize hip hop was a, was, we were the new rock and roll. I didn't, yeah okay, go ahead. In my opinion, can you let me big you up please? I'm sorry sir. I felt like you knew hip hop was the new rock and roll and you got behind the two biggest you got behind Guns N' Roses

well it was a ball with other roses no that's what people think you do that much in the show so you got behind i stayed you yeah you got behind the two biggest people that we had you had access to jay-z you had access to nas and you got behind them and you pushed them in every ever uh for sure ever new uh what is it called what shot am i taking i forgot it's a johnny. We just said it five times. Alright, alright. Thank you, Stiles. Stiles, check me out. You can tell I was back there, right?

I was back there. I just wanted to get money with you four years ago. That is not working out for me. It's not working out for you? That's right. You're not smooth as it is. That's right. Yeah, guys. I'm drinking vodka.

You guys want Johnny Blue? Yeah, give it to everybody. You serious? Take this this. That's right. Yeah, I'm drinking vodka. You guys want Johnny Blue? You want to take Johnny Blue? Yeah, give it to everybody. Come on. You should take this around. Guys, have a great time. Let's be honest. It's a great Johnny Blue. We love you guys.

It's very stronger than I thought it was. It's very smooth. I think Johnny Blue should be part of this. He's part of the audio. Just help off. Just have it here. It's no big deal. No, you should tell them.

You should tell us. You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? You want to be part of this? Johnny Blue should be part of this. He's part of the D.I.G.O. Just tell Buff, just have it here, it's no big deal. No, you should tell him. You don't want to do that. You want to be down with him.

You know what he got, he got us with Zarak. Oh shit, you got us with him. Oh shit, you got us with him. Oh shit, you got us with him. Oh god, he got us with Zarak. I need one more, man. That's it. We're only obligated to the rock. That's it.

But we do have a gracious killer. What is it called? To kill you? I ain't gonna lie to you. You guys have tacos. Yeah, we should. We should add a mariachi band. That's coming soon.

No, see, because we can tell you've been in rap games since Kid N Play, because you are drinking everything. I think that's incredible, man. I didn't know that about man. I think that's incredible What did I do my job? Things that I look young By the way 47 goddamn I've been I've been doing this since I was 21 years old god damn it's now all I've done is watch shit

All I do is watch artists grow up and watch them fall off and watch them grow up. So that's 21 years old. That's how I feed my family. I don't have no, like, it's what I do.

I'm like, talk to me. I'm not lying. Why? I'm not making anything up. You lived and breathed it. Every ounce of it. And I won't stop. And as soon as it starts to feel like I'm like, anything up. You lived and breathed it. Every ounce of it. And I won't stop.

And as soon as it starts to feel like I'm like, like I don't understand what's going on or some bullshit, I won't do it no more. I don't want to. I'm not corny. I'm not doing anything corny. I'm not going to be the last thing in the club doing dumb shit. Look at you.

I'm playing myself. That's what I do when I leave. No, that's actually cool. We can make that. Have you ever gave artists like this information you told them You're giving artists information. No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm fantastic. You want me to say my album bits backwards? Say, I do, I actually do. Not going to ask.

Look, when you ever gave some artist information, and then it wasn't the thing? Like, and you were wrong? You were wrong? I'm going to take it. 50 says this all the time. Oh, 50 says it. 50 says this all the time. 50 says it? 50 says this.

I said to him, he shouldn't sign to Eminem's label. You said he shouldn't sign to Eminem? When he was signing there, what I was saying was if he was signing the death row because his one assignment oh yeah yeah what he was saying was so fucking crazy and truthful and honest and hard I didn't want him to get confused as this like guy who could have been slightly comical? Because Eminem had D12. Which you felt Shady was. Shady was.

Like a comical label? Yeah, like, no, not a comical label, but just like a label that was great music, but... Because for some reason it was like... I mean, I don't think I can articulate it, but I get what you're saying. There may have been a part of what they were doing that was like, is this honest or is this shock value? Right. And like if Dre did it, it would be Eazy-E. Right.

And I was telling 50, be Eazy-E. Yeah, Eazy-E. But he couldn't be that for Shane? By the way, 50 Cent is 100%. He did everything. He's a hard-working... But where do y'all go on? The Madison Square Garden, we see the pictures.

You know what went wrong? What went wrong because I said that he didn't make a record in a long time that was ahead. And I said it on a radio station or something, and he's seen it. that he didn't make a record in a long time that was ahead. And I said it on a radio station or something and he seen it and he didn't like that. Right. So he talking to you at the Knick game? Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

He talked to me at the Knick. I walk in God's footsteps, I'm not afraid of nothing Right No no But think about it I'm not afraid I'm not The truth of the matter is

It's not like I was surprised When Puffy showed up In my office Right After Higgy now But he didn't show up No four guys showed up Including him

Okay okay I wasn't surprised I'm not surprised When I went to the mid game When I seen he was with me when I see I'm not afraid he's I'm not afraid of things but this is actually different this is different make a difference but when guys start talking that we're gonna kill you this that bullshit okay no you say that's how the business turns a problem into like the problem goes from this is a problem to Real problem is we're gonna kill you or we're gonna do this like, okay, great

Sounds like a lot of people It sounds like what it sounds like Wait, who told you they gonna kill you? Sounds like a lot of people. I don't know. No, it sounds like, what it sounds like is... How many people told you they gonna kill you? This is all. Nobody says that. I'm just saying the underlying theme about beef is what happens if you lose? That's very true.

Are you gonna die? Especially after Tupac and Biggie. All of a sudden you guys understand it when I say one word. What the fuck did you think I was saying? That was a lot of words. Yeah, what the fuck you think I was saying? What? It got awfully weird. Yeah, it's like, I was waiting for the one word.

No, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay. Nah, stop, stop, stop. I'm in the business, man. I'm doing this shit in a, no, no. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Now, stop, stop, stop. I'm in the business, man. I'm doing this shit at a high level, bro. I'm not fucking around doing this shit for rent. Right.

I'm doing this shit at a high level. I'm making millions. Right. Yes, I'm making a lot of money. I'm changing the way things happen.

Right. When you're on the front line, you got to deal with front line things. Right. You're a CEO, wartime CEO, peacetime CEO. I'm a CEO in wartime and peacetime. Peacetime is cool. When it's wartime, you got to deal with those type of things. You got to be able to deal

with that. And I love those guys. I respect those guys. I respect those guys. I respect those guys. If it was some bullshit I didn't respect, I wouldn't care. I respect guys who I love what Top Dog's doing.

Love it. On his own rules, this is how we're doing this. Win or lose, this is how we're doing this. He's killing it. And you were, this is how we're doing it. He's killing it. He's killing it. And you were... How was it being the president of Interscope?

Because I... Can you describe how we looked at Interscope? Yeah. Because Interscope... Akanele was the first rap artist signed to Interscope. From a left front. From a left front. Akanele was the first artist signed to Interscope. You know Akanele got a deal with Four Nights? I definitely did not know that.

He's schooling me right now. I would have hoped for that. Akanele got the deal of a lot of the barbershop. He's at a timetable. Because everybody got hooked on the... Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready?

Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready?

Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Are you ready? Yeah, that was the shape Everybody bought that no rhymes Oh be things So I can really have a closet I Didn't know is a great amount of classic that's really digging deep no no it's here New York City I mean it is oh god with his own if that's not classic he was pulling bitches over he's playing for him I don't know okay You know what? Like, I'm the only nigga that ran this store. Yo, Akanele, how about this? Akanele had Nas in the 1B position. Nas couldn't get a deal.

Akanele got a deal. It was like, yo, you know what? Put my nigga Nas on. Big of Akanele. That's how fucked up things are. When our phone gets so big, and money gets involved, it fucks everything up.

I tell, Tony's my best friend. We go through talk. Bigger than our relationship. He's my best friend. You know why he's my best friend? Because until money starts fucking with girls or religion, you don't even know who your best friends are.

Absolutely. And we've survived those topics, the things. That's why we're best friends. Best friends have to go through that thing. And Akineli and Nas, when Akineli got the fame, he didn't say Nas was better than me. He was Akineli. He knew that he couldn't fuck with was better than me. He was talking Ali. He knew that he couldn't fuck with this man under 16.

He couldn't. Are you crazy? This nigga is all the words past the margin. God. I'm the fucking bullshit put in your mouth guy Shout out to That's my it goes, man. It's like that in the streets.

It works like that in music, in business, man. Are you great or not? How do you feel about... Do you think the industry corrupted hip-hop culture? I think that money comes in and when money comes in what's gonna happen is obvious like money comes in and changes all of the outcomes so that's what money does it's like it happened in rock music you know MTV goes on this guy's you feel it's equivalent to rock as well.

Yeah, hip hop, yeah. I mean, but I felt like we needed that. All of a sudden, if you're going to grow, the consequences of growth is mass adoption. And corruption. Mass adoption is corruption. Right. That's all.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just the way it is. Rock and roll got big, and all of a sudden, there was guys, look at Whitesnake. They were compared to Bruce Springsteen.

Whitesnake's a rock act. This is like rock acts. They were doing, I always use always use White Snake as an example because White Snake, Nelly, Charu, Ludacris, they're all really talented people.

They're all talented people. But they all have something in common. They had to follow the core truth of something. And they were all incentivized to do something that wasn't really at the core, the truth of the hip-hop thing man the hell I'll lay down keep it real all of them every heart you know you gotta do the hip-hop man like for me I may not ever make a billion dollars everybody in the world but if I I'm saying this on your show, just relax. You gotta relax.

You gotta relax. I'll relax. Please don't relax me. Please can somebody film that again? That's awesome. But if I tell the truth and it takes me as far as I can go, that's a billion dollars, man. The truth will set you free.

That's it. I'm out of here. Fuck my man. I'm good. and go that's a billion dollars man the truth will set you free said no matter my man i'm good i'm gonna keep pushing forward i know nobody can with me don't even try to talk to me they can't with me Even... it's something close. Let's make some noise for this guy. Tell them that's his style. I gotta go now. Look, I tried to be a member of the Silver Horse. And you lost. Tell me I lost.

You good? I'm good. This is my first time being a member of the Silver Horse. And you lost. You told me I lost. And you lost. Good. Am I wilding out? This is my first time being a member of the Soul. It doesn't matter. Your culture, you push it on your nigga, you don't. It's for life. I don't like the thin mustache and beard look.

Oh, God. Tell him, Sal. Tell him. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm saying tell him, Sal. Tell him stop! Tell him! I don't know what I'm doing but I'm saying tell him stop! I don't know what I'm doing but I'm saying tell him stop! Stop and say anything about me. But why do you think that's the right look?

Stop coming up, man! I think he is. Why do you have to say that? Think about me, man, I'm good. GG, good thing I get you man. I got it right? You got a good thing I get you. You got a...

Hashtag okay man. And you got the same beard. Mine is the same beard. You haven't talked to him about this in a while. Nah, I did. I talked about your beard. What did he say? He said I don't like it.

I said I don't like it. Hey, it might be Prince Ant. I don't understand. No, no, no. Definitely, it's a Prince Ant. Why does the thin look a thing? Because I got to relax. And you look like.

But why do you want it thin? Just cut it off. You look like the black Chong Li. And guess what? Stop. I got your back. Ride with me. Ride with me.

Stop. Trust me, I got the crowd already. Don't come at me. I got it. It's gonna do it. Let's see how it goes. It's not gonna work. Let's see how this goes.

It's not gonna work in your way. There's a lot of people trying to figure out. I love you. Stop. That's a lot of people trying to figure out. I love you, Stout. That's a mustache statement. His beard is thick, but his eyebrows are thick. Listen, Stout. I'm going to have to talk about Puerto Rican, Stout. You're going to be a racer.

And look, you've got to call our guy. He was so scared. Because, you know, he went at the LGBT. You got to relax. You are safe. What did I say? Because you know he went at the LGBT You gotta relax You are safe What did I say? You've never said nothing You are fantastic

Everybody got scared when I said LGBT Yo listen They got all of us niggas shocked Not me Why? You good with the LGBT? I'm rich We love Steve Stiles. We love Steve Stiles.

Am I obligated to... I took a shot of that? I think I did. Yeah. No, not that one. You didn't take that. You avoided everything but that one. Stiles is like a Norway on the low. On the low! That's why we didn connect back there because he's an auction be like Yo, look, don't tone is ready to leave This is important to me. I want my man to

Get everything you guys something say he don't do this much. You know, he's always cuz of me You want to say anything you are the best at what you do And you don't talk about and still the best that would you so you don't do this? Track masses top five dead or alive I gotta stop you for a second. Oh track masses is top three. Oh If a person ever spring up none Do you want me to take this one? Go for it. Go for it Your person ever bring up the top

And this produces when you look at a person like Nas and you look at L man We're good and we look at L person like Nas and you look at Illmatic. Totally good. And when you look at Illmatic and Illmatic, to me, this is just me. Anybody can debate me or anybody can say, fuck you, Nori, anybody. But a lot of times when I want a person to study hip-hop, I want them to start from Illmatic. And then I want you to go back. Right. Absolutely. And when you go back and you study Illmatic and then you go back, it was written,

was that first album, is that it? And it was written, it was so needed for hip hop. Tone fucking took that sample, that Sting sample from the professional. Talked about that stuff. I'm not as passionate as you two. He said no. Fucking took that sample that stink sample from the professional He said no I'm like All my tongue don't play that shit for me first, I'm like I Couldn't believe that I had it it was the first time in my life I knew I had a person that understood it like me. When he played that sample, he played

it for me, he didn't play it for me like on some like, he plays it for me like, yo, this shit is right. I said, I took it to Nas. Nas nas nas heard it and said nah i don't want to do it facts i said tell him i was going to make this right i trust this guy's he's special yes he is he is special super fresh he sees things, but you got to let him do his thing. You got to let him play his game. He's an awesome spades player, too. You got to let him do his thing. Top five dead or alive.

By the way, Jay-Z, stop ducking me on the spades game. You've been ducking me. Damn, your nigga's about to start some shit. You got to relax. Yo, we need to do a spades tour. I feel like I'm about to win the cause right now. You got to relax. I'm in. We need to get off here.

I'm in. I'm in. Good, good. So he's doing this shit. He plays this shit for me. I'm like, I go back to him. I was like, guys, you got to do this shit. And I'm like, if I could rap this shit and I'm like if I could rap

it'd be terrible if I could rap but I can't rap so I'm like and I said how you not gonna rap over this shit and you heard that shit you heard the message. The message is ridiculous. It's the way to start off an album. But it took time to get there. And Tone and Nas, I get a lot of credit for Nas' career. But my insight,

a lot of what I've done, was really built off of my partners. Understanding what was going on. That's such a good thing, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's give it some more. I like that stuff. Thank you, Scott.

I like that. I really like that. I like that. We're going to end this? You're going to end this? You're going to forget about it? Wow, wow. It's an amazing story.

I wanted to give my fucking membership to So Offs. Nigga, listen. I'm from the left, right? I used to shoot people with Steve's style. I don't know if you know that. I don't believe that.

No, he did. I think he did. Why do you want me to shoot you right now? No, I'm just playing. You got to relax. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You got to relax. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You got to relax. No, I'm playing. That was a joke. You were a shooter? He was a shooter. That was a joke. I ain't lying. 50 was a shooter.

This guy, too. This guy, too. My shit is a legend. My ain't lying, 50 was a shooter. Yeah, 50 was a shooter. Mashi is a legend. Mashi has never been verified. 50 was a shooter. You know that. Alright, let's stop shooting guys. I've never shot a gun. Were you a shooter? Hey buddy.

You know the shooters, it was like it wasn't even like a thing. Like, he's a shooter mmm told you Chad niggas to know Tony was a shooter do you under this yeah tell us about. But if you were a shooter, you weren't necessarily the boss nigga. You were part of the team. Exactly. The facts.

Yeah, but you decided life. That's a fact. Let them talk. No, no, no. The shooting decided life. Real talk, for that person that was on the other end of the shot, that life was decided. They were shooters. Niggas were shooters.

Like, that's a shooter, this, that. But if you were the boss nigga, and you had a team together, you had a shooter on the team. Right, absolutely. No worries saying. No, no, I ain't saying that, I didn't say that. But listen.

Definitely doesn't change your name. But how awkward was it, right? Like now, now, you're probably the only person in the world that has access to Jay-Z and Nas at the same time. Still. Still! And listen, I'm gonna

just throw this out there. I look at them like they're two tycoons. I look at them like they're the fucking best. This is it. This is hip-hop to me. There's two guys Yeah, you look only That's facts wow That's access that's sure to the two is the tycoons in the world

I'm not gonna lie to you stop if I was you I would have did so crazy the other one I don't know I just pissed off people for the reason why they everything that was a bit closer to you up and beat you up this is what I would have did if I had a good power I just pissed on you know what I got Jerry and Miles. I was pissed on you. You're not pissing on me, bro. I'm not you, bro. Relax, relax. I'm just saying,

how the fuck is you that humble and you the only person in the world, in my opinion, that had access to the book? They guys, they went through it. How the fuck do you make the fun ended and Did listen to have to maintain your relationships of both of them is tycoons. This is not

Varanasaurs, I don't even know that we're running sources. That's why we Stop robbing me Stop, stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. It's awkward because I deserve to be in the room. You deserve what? I deserve to be in the room. Okay.

Take it from me. You know, artists, man, at that level, my job is always to just make sure. What do you need? I see sure. What do you need? I see Jay, what do you need? Nas, what do you need? I love these guys. I don't care about the money, man.

If I made it about money, it would be different. But it's not about money. I love those guys. I can't not about money. I love those guys. I can't even believe I know both of those guys. I speak to them. There's not a week that goes by I don't speak to Nas and Jay-Z. I speak to Nas... He just floats on everybody's head.

He's like... It's not a thing to hear that speak to both of them. You know how crazy it is to me that that's a crazy idea? I speak to Nas and Jay-Z every week. Or every day. All the time. It has nothing to do with anything. It's real.

It's a real relationship. You have people you speak to every other day. Yeah, but any Nas or Jay-Z, I knew they'd meet. You may speak to the Nas or Jay-Z of something. Don't try to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm not trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something.

I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to be a Nas or Jay-Z of something. I'm trying to every other day yeah Jay Z and you they meet trying to make it a normal day but let's make it no easy enough yeah you even know that's not normal day that's not normal though. Thank you, yo, thank you, thank you. It's not normal. Thank you, yo, thank you. Yo, listen, stop. And this comes a part of me bigging you up is because

you were the only person in hip-hop who could have fixed that situation. And I take credit for it. You don't take credit for it? No. No. You don't understand how great they are. They don't. These guys.

No, I understand. It's fucking Shakespeare and Picasso. It's not really a thing. If you're making Shakespeare and Picasso, it's no problem. They don't argue with each other or fight with each other. They're like, bitch, we great. No, they're unbelievable. They're unbelievable.

The things, the way they see the world, I can't believe I'm around it. But stop. Listen, stop. the world I can't believe I'm around it but what what what stop I'm so happy that tone but stop let me just let me just beat you up once it was again you're probably the only person that had access to the most to puff my pussy puff had bad boy here I had no ulterior motive. So I got everything. This nigga finished my sentence. That was the exact sentence I was saying was a lot of people have ulterior motives. I don't want you to drop it.

A lot of people... I'm sorry. I was trying to help you out. You got to relax. So now the other people have ulterior motives. You got to relax, buddy. But you was the only guy that in the middle,

prior to the beef, in between the beef, and after the beef, that had access to the two most... Yeah, I do, man. Piss? You need Flomax?

Yeah. Nah, pissing is a part of the show. No, but you had access to the most biggest two icons in hip-hop. I didn't piss. Oh, go piss. No, man. Just for your the most biggest two icons in hip-hop ever. I didn't piss. Oh, go piss. No, no.

Just for your life. You needed Flowmax. I definitely need Flowmax. No, but how does that feel to be in access to the two biggest icons ever in hip-hop? And I'm going to be honest with you. As a person that know you, like halfway know you, I know you was uncomfortable during that situation. I was not uncomfortable. You wasn't?

I was uncomfortable with way more shit than that. Nas and J was beefing, you wasn't at all? Because when beef is clear. No, we know we wasn't. Okay, if I don't have to talk. No, I apologize, I apologize. I'm like, he's a Queens nigga. Who was in Ismogor? I thought I don't have to talk. No, I apologize. Continue. He's a Queens nigga. You can 100% know he's from Queens.

He knows how to trick another Queens nigga. I apologize. Continue. Queens have the best rappers of all time? Yes. You want to go there now? I'll say that for later. What the fuck? Has? Has, yo. He was very science. Why? He thought Ismogor. Go sit up

Why do it is well even Queen no more engineers the Queen you know Exactly We get the big the best rappers of all time from wherever they from. I'm sure of Miami. Nobody ever says, oh, and Tribe. I'm not going to tell you Miami, but I will go with. And Nas, and Jay, and L, and fucking Tribe called Quest. Uh-huh. And Mobb D. You know Rakim's Long Island.

And Mobb D. Okay. Are you deleting all the West Coast? It's just St. Queen's. Ice Cube is one of the best to do it too. Okay. Are you deleting all the West Coast? It's just St. Queen. Ice Cube is one of the best to do it, too. St. Queen's. You're not accepting that? No, Queens.

Oh, okay. I thought it was Battle, anyway. Oh, yeah. You got it right. The battle is always Queens versus Brooklyn. It's not even close. Okay. All right.

Yeah, Brooklyn wins every time. No. You got it right. Queens has better rappers than Brooklyn. Tone, Tone. You're my friend, too. Okay. All right. Brooklyn wins every time. No. You got to relax. Queens has better rappers than Brooklyn. Tone, Tone. You're my friend, too. You got to relax. I got Biggie and Jay-Z.

I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I got Nas. I got G-Rod. I got fucking Trapcore Quest. I got Big Daddy Kane. I even got lots of... Woo! I got Big Daddy Kane.

You know Big Daddy... You know Big Daddy... Big L. Lyricist. Lyricist. Big L. Big L. You know Big Daddy... Big Al! Where is his Big Al? Come on, guys! You know Big Daddy Kane really literally... literally just shake his ass?

...cliff out there for a second. Wow. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready either. What was the second album? What was the second album? The one that you don't know. He wasn't all that.

Let's Google that. Yo, you know what? Yo, I love Big Daddy Kane. Prince of Darkness was the second album. Big Daddy Kane. I out. Third out. Yo, I love Big Daddy Kane. Prince of Darkness was the second out. Big Daddy Kane. I got to disagree with you. I don't think Big Daddy Kane fell off until he fucked Madonna.

Yeah, that was. He fucked Madonna. Which was so big. And they were just fantastic for me too. Yeah, I didn't even realize. Okay. We're already saying everything. We're saying a lot of things.

It's a Big Daddy thing. I think Big Daddy Kane didn't fall off, too. He fucked Madonna. Big Daddy Kane is a dope, fucking ridiculous rapping name. Yes. Big Daddy Kane did not have the fucking... Jay-Z. have the fucking jay-z no you need motherfucking it's not even experience you need when you got like the the the ability to run the long race the long run run he did fuck Madonna come on let me pick you up right now cuz this is right here No, no. I'm just telling you. Are you saying Big Daddy Kane had a better career than Rakim?

Nobody said that. He didn't. We're asking you. No, no, no. I mean, you can't. Oh. Rock, yeah, Rakim. What are you talking about?

At the worst of best, they had the equal. What was Rakim? Rakim had, that first album was classic. Second album was dope. Then, I mean, Rakimim the lyricist Rakim is come on they still here but I think Big Daddy King's career was a better career rock you think Big Daddy King was a better than Rakim? is that what you're saying? he said career better than Rakim?

better career so LL Cool J had a better rap career than both of them? LL Cool'll go ahead and rock better than LL Cool J has a better rap career than most people I don't want being a little station who do you think a better career ice cube or right in the career is ice cube as a rapper oh as a rapper that's tough that's tough that's a very tough they've seen career overall as ice cube was kidding play the God who had just did the camera and shook her the camera now can they you see him in The Kaepernick? The Kaepernick? What? You see, and Bill Moore, Bill Moore, actually. Bill Moore. Yo. What are you doing?

Chi Chi, get the egg out of here. Yeah, you know, listen, the black community, fried kid in play. Hey, Lionel. You understand what I'm saying, Steph? They fried kid in play, because kid in play was the, he posed as the white guy.

To him. You're being weird. Was that crazy? Was that crazy? I can't even do what you're doing now. I love the show. Why are you turning the mic like that? No, wasn't that crazy?

That's very disrespectful. No, I'm asking. Because sometimes we don't know. I'm just asking. I'm asking because, you know, I'm just a journalist. This is journalism. At this point, is this when the show starts? Yes, absolutely.

Listen, we respect you, Steve Stout. I just want you to know that. In case you didn't know that, I respect you. My shit is clean. No, your shit is clean. It is clean. Yes. And you dated Lisa Le left eye too, right?

Let's talk about that. You had left eye first. No, you don't agree with me. She passed away. Yes, you can't say you had it first. No, you know, I mean, I mean in this respect. I want to be in a more respectful way. Okay, I apologize. Lisa left eye was my girlfriend very early Mike really that's beautiful Let's talk about that Let's talk about sex. No, no, that's sex. I didn't say that I said you had you was with Lisa best that's like one of the biggest would they sell 13 million? I don't even that condolences. I

Know I'm saying like like that must have been hurtful, man. She ain't trying to burn your house down, right? I'm thinking, he took a dick. No, we all heard it. We all heard it. You were wrong when I was, you know what I'm saying. I went, I went, I went. She was making fried chicken.

I don't know if I'm wrong, but we all heard. We all heard for that. And I would imagine you heard more. It was tough. She was talented, man. She's super talented. Yeah. And down to her.

I've done, yo. Guys, guys. Look at his face. Guys, I've done everything. By the way, that's what made me want to hire him as my manager. I went to his crib. He pulled out pictures of him and left. I was just chilling, like, on vacation.

I'm like, you know her? Like, I'm looking at him like, why do you know this girl? Oh, yeah. Swimming in the water. Swimming in the water. Snorkeling. Yeah, pictures in the water. I was like, snorkeling.

There's the style. Been rich forever. Hold on, hold on. You know you drink that all the time? They had pictures in the water? You know you drink all the good wine by yourself? Nah, I rich forever. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know you drink down all the time? Damn, bitches, you know the water? You know you drink all the good wine by yourself? Nah, I love it, come on. I'm hanging out with this nigga's style.

We've been wanting to hang with him for 20 years. This is the deal. I'm glad you got my phone number now. We're gonna make it right. I've been hitting him. We're gonna make it right. We've been coordinating. Yes, we've been coordinating.

You think that your mustache and beard is right? I'm so confident. I've never been taken as a bitch. So good. But this shit ain't right neither. I ain't gonna lie. What's wrong with it? You know what you look like?

What's wrong with it? I'm gonna be honest. You look like them niggas on the Game of Thrones. I don't know that. You never had that? I don't know. Because I don't want to be with you, style. You want to be with me.

Do you think there's a thing called too thin? I have no idea what you're talking about. But listen, every other CEO. Coming off your goatee is too thin. Okay. Every other CEO took one hit. Can you take one hit? No, we're not doing that.

You want to take another shot and take a moment? Yes. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Come on. I'm a trooper. I'm hitting it. You're hitting it.

Let's go. Let's give him another shot and take a moment. And listen, Steve Stout, Trackmaster Tone, we want y'all to know that we love y'all. We appreciate y'all. What y'all doing? Your crew's supporting you. We finished the Tiger Ball.

We finished that Tiger Ball. We finished it. You asked to have a light crew. You made so many queens niggas rich. I made it known to all my crew, and I told them, this is a guy, we got to make sure his red carpet is laid out. Thank you.

We got to make sure. Thank you. We got to make sure. Thank you. We got to make sure. That's why we had whiskey. I hate you. By the way, listen.

All the bullshit aside. Yeah. I'm grateful to be here. Thank you, sir. What you did, what you're doing, what you guys are doing is important. It's not not important. Whether you make a lot of money

or a little bit of money, it's important. We're okay. The impact is important for us. I came here because if he didn't we didn't have a one on one I wouldn't do it I love him I love him too

and I just want to keep pushing culture forward I don't care about the others I just don't care about the others. I just don't care. And I've been in a lot of rooms with a lot of people in a lot of places. But it hasn't changed my love

for the art form, for the music, for what we all, what we all have. When I pulled up and I see the graffiti, I felt comfortable. I love graffiti.

Graffiti means your home. Graffiti is like signs that equal oh, you're on your way home. And I love that shit. So, drink champs and puff and vault and I know you're tired and shit.

No, no, no. Listen, let me tell you something, style. I want you to understand this. This is one thing that I would like the hip-hop culture to understand. We finally have a platform. We finally have a thing where you can come here and you can promote your shit here. I'm a person. Look, I have a platinum plaque.

I have four gold plaques. Yeah. I've got that. So, when it comes time to promote something or talk to something, we want our people

to come to us first. And I feel like I own that. You live here? I live everywhere. You live here? I live everywhere. You live in Miami. No, he lives here right now. Yeah, I live in Miami.

I got a place in LA. And we got a place in New York, too. You want to make some noise for me? Tell them to make some noise for me. Tell them to make some noise for me. What I'm saying is, though, this is what I was trying to say to you. It's like, why not we just all support us? No matter where it is or where it at, you can come up with a one for, I don't know what this is. This is fly it's set up is right. And these are Adidas that they made with the Bayesian 8 guys.

This is different colors, you know. I mean... This nigga's a queen, nigga, for real. Let's make some noise for him. God damn it.

But, no, this is real shit. The thing about hip-hop, I just want to continue to support hip-hop. What I mean by that, style, is,

hear me out, is... Of course, teenagers for hip hop. What I mean by that style is, hear me out, is, of course, we could go to the traditional radio system, right, we could go to the traditional, you know, sitting down with, who we sat down with before, but let me just tell you something. The people.

You mean any of you who sat down with? No, listen, listen. You used to go around all the go around the country having dumb conversations trying to explain yourself? I realize, what I realize is this. Back in the days when we used to sell drugs in New York City, we used to sell drugs in New York City. But everybody used to get up or become rich if they go out of town. I bet you all your friends in Jamaica used to say, I'm going out of town and I'm getting rich.

The thing about it is now, You gotta travel. Getting rich is SoundCloud. Getting rich is staying right there, selling your own product in the same place. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Yes. That's why Jay went to the 444. He went and he sold it to only Sprint customers.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say? So now again, we're doing a lot of things. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, yes, yes, yes. Of course. I'm going to realize too much. No, of course, man. You're saying

all the right things. Right. I'm happy to be here, man. It's hip-hop. What you want from me? Is hip-hop going to get any bigger or no?

We're still in the beginning It that's the part that as long as we grab that I'm there I'm gonna work with the guys that people don't even think is dope. You're like little Yachty's dope. Fuck it He's dope too. I'm fucking with little Yachty. I like little Yachty. I'm fucking with Lil Yachty I like Lil Yachty I'm fucking with him What you doing? You want the bun? I ain't no

You want the bun I want the handshake Okay well I'm fucking with Lil Yachty I'm fucking with everybody If you are pushing Culture forward It's dope

It's rap It's Um Uh Graffiti It's this It's that It's fuck you

It's the truth Yeah We don't have to like it Old school niggas Don't have to like it graffiti, it's this, it's that, it's fuck you. It's the truth. We don't have to like it. Old school niggas don't have to like it. But the truth of the matter is, old school niggas who liked the beginning of Bob Dylan, they didn't like

Nirvana. It was like, what is that? I like Bob Dylan. What the fuck is Nirvana? If you like Bob Dylan in the 70s, why would you like Nirvana in the 90s? It's not like we like how Melly Mel and them were dressing either. Yeah. I like how Melly Mel dressed either.

Right. Exactly. But as time goes on, you just got to keep going with the art form. You got to understand what the truth is. And it keeps resetting itself. Alonzo Ball. Alonzo Ball. Alonzo Ball.

He looks like Mr. Softy. Go away, Stout. Like the whole look. You like his look? I don't like the way he plays. Man, he came out a brother. Why would he come out now? He's a bum.

Everybody's like, oh, he said he's a bum. Does that mean his father won't speak to him? You know how great that is to have one less phone call? Oh. You know how great that is to have one less phone call? I don't need phone calls. I'm not looking for phone calls. So, go ahead. No, you got it. You was the first person that I was like, I don't do it.

He got work to do. And Magic and Dawson, he got work to do. And Magic's the homie, right? Isn't Magic the homie? Is Magic the homie? We got to see if Magic's the homie. No, I'm good. He's not?

No, Magic's the homie to me. He's Magic's the homie. You can't have this nigga running around, shitting on Oz. You can't do that. That's that's how you should or not. It's walking around with a stupid face You like his face What are you doing, guys? What are you doing, man? Look at me. Look at you. Look at me.

Look at you. My legs feel like they've been doing it for me the whole day. It's amazing. You know what? There's a new thing we need to work out. Face to floor ratio. Can't stop. Can't stop.

Can't stop. Can't stop. Can't stop. Can't stop. Can't stop. Can't out. Face-to-fro ratio. Can't stop. Break that down. His fro is bigger than his face. You don't think so? What is it? No one knows?

No, it's his fro. And Tone's mind, Tone is texting you right now like, I feel like you got it right. Tone is texting you. Nah. He asked to reduce his fro or increase his phrase. I ain't. Yo, listen, I'ma be honest. Everybody in the world is gonna, but that is 100% a queen video. That's how queens niggas get down, kid you not.

What am I saying wrong? No, no, no, you're just being queens. The thing about it, the world's gonna be like, Dan, dude, now I know why Queens niggas is fast. I know how you really feel. I know where your job ends. Nah, bro, I don't have no job. What do you think, I just throw the face face down?

The world know. I have no idea. His face is looking for trouble. Listen, the CEOs is over-racing people. They're the worst. You listen, man. Look at Tony. Look at Tony. He's trying to act like he're on the point and phone call. What am I saying that's wrong?

No, it's a beautiful thing, Stout. Except for- This is what we do, we love entertaining. Let's keep going, Stout, and you are a beautiful guest. I love you. And listen, Stout, I'm are a beautiful guest. I love you. And, you know, listen, Stout, I'm going to be honest. I'll be honest.

We had Lior. We had Kevin Louse. But when people told me that Stout wanted to do the show, I was so excited. One, because you're from Queens, and I wanted to big up my fellow Queens partner. But two, because you're like one of the unreachable guys in the industry. Wanted to big up my fellow Queens partner, but to because You're like one of the unreachable guys. I am to be in the industry like Unreachable like like like it's hard like if you Private life Break that down like how I don't need it

You know what I don't need it. I don't need it. You know what? I don't need it. What I love is... I love... I love the space. I love... I love being honest about shit. I love laughing. Laughing is the best.

Laughing is fantastic. It's therapeutic. But... And like... That's fantastic therapeutic but And like I Think we missed a lot of shit tonight. I think I don't know what I'm gonna do to see shit I don't know if you are no Then we missed a lot of shit because like what would what you think we've missed more nuances that will push it on the edge but we didn't like when when uh what's his name uh the white guy who made all the money and radio and radio how it's done how it's

third but how it's done so we were trying to duplicate this yeah but you gotta go further like we're not really touching all the way. We're not telling the truth. Somebody has to hate him. Okay. I'm not making this up. So you want to, you want to go there? Hey,

Laurie. The thing about it. Yeah, because somebody has to say shit that's so fucked up. But it's true. Right. Like,

like, Howard Stern would say things about Madonna. Like, somebody has to say something, man. Like, like, I'm not making anything up.

There's way more shit. All the artists that we touched, all the things that we touched, we didn't tell the truth. We told most of the truth. So why did we not tell the truth? So when we talk about Christina Aguilera. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. No, because we don't want to go there.

Because we don't really want to go there. You just said it. We want to go there. Oh, wow. You just said it. We want to go there. Because we don't really want to go there. You just said it. We want to go there. Oh, wow. You just said you want to go there. Because the thing about it is, you're the person who, you have a book called Tan in America. That's true. Tan in America means you was making it all one series.

So the thing about it was, these people. I wrote the book and did the series before you. Okay, okay, okay. I'm going there now. Now, I was going to relax. I wanted my Soho House card. I'm going to relax. I'm going to get that next year.

No, no, not me. Two weeks. Right, but listen. So, Stout. Yo. The thing about it... I can definitely get you the Soho. Fuck the Soho House card.

Yes, yes, yes. It's my first time. Let me live. All right, so Stout. The thing about it, chill, chill, chill. I can definitely give you the So... Fuck the SoHouse card, man. Yeah, yeah, it's okay, it's okay. It's my first time. Let me, let me, let me let it. Alright, alright, so, stop. The thing about it is... What are you doing? And when, when, when... When people, you know what I'm saying?

Stop, man. That's good, yeah, let's give him the shot. But when people think about it, and they think about people like, who's successful like you. Yeah. Who people like, successful like Jay. Yeah. People successful like you yeah who people like to settle like J who's the self-like day they always allude to these people is it Illuminati yeah I am not I am NOT successful in the Dame category. In the what category?

The Dame category. When you said people like you, like Dame, I am successful in the category of like, I can't believe this nigga did that. I am not in the category of like Illuminati, this, that, and the third. I went past all of those things I just want you to know that I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to be mistaken by The guy who did well who came from hip-hop who's stuck in that no Well, I guess the segue is is is there an Illuminati no That's bullshit.

Because I think that's, I don't know if that exists or not. No, no, no, no. That part is bullshit. I just want you to know that I don't want that thing or those things to distort the truth. The truth of the matter is, those are just like speed bumps. A lot of people say they're blackballed. And niggas doing the right thing. No.

Illumina. Those are fake words, man. There's no Illumina. There's no gathering of people saying we're going to do this. There's no version of like. Like eyes wide shut type shit. No, no, no. Nobody even called me

for that party I attend that party I believe that Irv Dane like D and Master P and Too Short and E-40 and this, that, and the third, and you keep going.

We're pushing something that's bigger than us forward. And all we hope is that at one point somebody says these were the guys who pushed it but while we're pushing it we'd have no idea if we're gonna have to get credit for it I go to San Francisco I see a 40 it's like how much money I made or how much money he 40 made or it doesn't even reflect in our conversation I I see can chameleon Air was telling me a story the other day that was ridiculously fantastic. I don't, when you're pushing something forward

that's something that's bigger than you, you've removed yourself from the equation and you keep doing that one thing. So when you say, oh, he's from Queens, he says, I'm pushing Queens, Oakland, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, all that shit, Compton, all that shit. I'm pushing all that shit forward. But mind you, he said Kabillionaire.

So I think that's a lesson to be learned as well. People haven't heard Kabonair in the entertainment space Kameleonair is a smart guy he's been in entrepreneurship Kameleonair is a really smart guy right we've heard of this

I fuck with Kameleonair I fuck with I don't care about that part you're smart you're talented let's push culture forward. That's what this show is.

That's why I'm here. Right. Drink Champs isn't... You may think you're doing something that's like, oh, Drink Champs. You guys are pushing

culture forward, man. Thank you, Steve Stout. Thank you. That's what you guys are doing. Thank you, Steve Stout. That's what you're doing. That's why I'm here. I'm not...

All the other parts of it are meaningless. Right. The part that's the most meaningful is that if you come here and you say something, the world may actually hear it and actually do something as a result of it. Well, I don't need to be here to be hot. Maybe we came to get hot. We don't do that.

No, no. That's 50-50. I'm not here to get hot. Maybe we came to get hot. Nah, we don't do that. Nah, nah. That's 50-50. Nah, nah, nah. I'm not here to get hot. No, but stop. The only part we want to correct you is, is because we want to respect our culture. Our culture's... The only thing that I could only be disappointed in hip-hop is when people get old in hip-hop and people don't want to respect That I just can't allow Look, I can't allow that like good. I can't allow I get that brother. I just can't I Have to feel like I feel like not should be respected for the rest of his life I feel like Jay should be respected for the rest of his life and guess what?

I'm gonna fuck y'all up right now I feel like J move the damages even respect absolutely man but maybe not expect us not home but I'm saying please still should be respected like we said our culture why why don't we would like the thing about? Rock and roll is they think they always respect the who's the guy I had um Karis one was in my office. Yeah, we did when he was there Yeah Those are my guys. Yes, I got it. I got it So care someone came to my office and we're office, and we were talking. This is Rich Steve's style.

This is not. This is Rich Steve's style. This is Rich Steve's style. This is not. He comes to my office, and I meet him, and Chris says to me that he was homeless going like this. Mm-hmm. Wow.

Is the bridge is open? Is that the bridge is open? Mm-hmm Wow The bridge is open. He's beating this on the wall and the guy who was hearing this Is a guy who works in the homeless facility and that's Scott LaRock and that's how they made the bridge is open He was homeless when he made the record. Yeah. No, he was. He was. That's crazy. These are facts. He's telling you this, though. He's a homeless guy beating against a wall. And the guy who hears the beat says, who the fuck is doing that?

And then those guys make the bridges over. And they sell the rights to that song to a company who distributes porn. You know that? Steve Stiles fucking love our whole childhood right there. Are you telling us porn companies made us hip hop? That's what they're doing. And you know what? Because they can't get out.

And when the song finally gets out, through this porn distribut- Distributor. Wait, wait, someone- Excuse that, okay. No, no. It was a porn company put out Boogie Down Productions? No, that's-

No, Bridges Over? Yes. Get the fuck out of there. Yeah. They didn't get a record deal. That's how these things go. The beginning and the innovation of everything has to pay

damages to people who don't understand, people who don't believe it, and all of the other altercations of what means to go forward. That's all. It's no big deal. He's a homeless guy.

He was shitting on MC Shan when he was homeless. Ask him. He'll tell you.'s okay. That's what yes Chris He was homeless if you see in front of He know I've seen this for him he was homeless couldn't know I'm gonna go in he kept hearing this shit. He's in the thing. And he's doing it. He's like, it's time for the Bronx.

Yeah. We got to represent. He's doing this guy. And he's homeless. You tell him. These guys did the whole thing, Noreen. These guys were not fucking around. These guys are the real guys, man. So now, you as a person, as an innovator of hip hop,

you see how much intricate they were and their rhymes and how they put it together and now you're still like the market genius and now I know you as a person who started from Kenneth Pillay and now you seeing these new guys here. Yeah. Does it ever bother you that they're not doing the same work that you've seen these people doing back then? Or you're still like, fuck it, I'm going to get the bread. It's not about the bread. I see it. I see the guy. I see parents.

I see love. I see the difference between How you grew up And what matters to you Versus what matters to them I don't even think about it like that No No I was with Kool Herc

When I caught you I was with Kool Herc Fucking six months ago Nobody even talks to Kool Herc We need Kool Herc right here on Dream Champs actually. I was with Kool Herc. I was with Kool Herc. Chuck into Kool Herc. Make sure.

You know how hard it is for Kool Herc to even know who Noriega is? Yeah, but you know what? No, stop. You know how hard it is for K Cool Herc to even know who he is or know who you are? Yes. It's Cool Herc. That's Cool Herc.

He started in 1974. He don't even fuck about you. Why not? I don't expect him to fucking about us. For me to get to the end, yeah, stop. It's my job to know who he is. He's right. He's right.

I'm going to sit and talk. Cool Herc is not even talking. Cool Herc barely talks to me. No, he doesn't. No, he's right with you. No, no, not at all. He's not talking to me. Right.

I speak to Dapper Dan and I speak to Kool Herc because I love what they did. God bless you. And whatever, what happens to me, the cool, the fucking

Dapper Dan Gucci deal, you motherfucking writers me talked about that. They got a to get man Just stop I believe that probably First our vortex. I felt like you first started and you said you seen something about that But then they got posted it was the whole it wasn't even that but then you posted a Louis Vuitton shirt that that but then actually designed and You said correct Earlier if you see no shit You are 100% correct. Yeah, you asked me earlier. You've seen the whole shit. Yeah, you knew my shit was right. I just want you to know, I respect you.

And I'm 100%. You've seen it. Yeah. We have the God. Even your people is like, he's good, Stout. You gotta relax. That's not what they're saying. No, no, no, no, no.

This ain't no free lyrics. No, no, no, listen. The thing was, we seen that. Where? Go ahead, talk about it. Niggas, Jack this man, this man is a legend. Dapper Dan. Dapper Dan is a legend. Dapper Dan. Dapper Dan is a legend.

Dapper Dan is the reason why everybody wears Gucci and Louis Vuitton and everything to this day. You don't have to know why. And you don't have to argue with me. Don't be like, fuck him and fuck you and you're old. Don't listen. I'm telling you, man. This guy was doing everything. This guy was taking his shit and making sweatpants fit and sweatshirts fit

and putting Louis Vuitton and MCM and all that shit in these cars. He was putting together an outfit for drug dealers. And we all, as rappers,

rappers and men, we copied drug dealers. He did it. And they shut him down. What do you mean by that? as rappers, rappers and then we copy drug dealers. He did it. And then they shut him down. What do you mean by that? They shut him down because Mike Tyson beat up, Mike Tyson beat up a boxer. Mike Tyson whipped a nigga in the ring for the money

and then beat the nigga up in real life, Mitch Green. Oh, from Riddick's Ball? Mitch Green. Mitch Green, Mitch Green, Mitch Green. And that's what happened to Dapper Dan. Me being Mitch Green in front of Dapper Dan. And Dapper Dan. And the world realized, what is this place that people go to at night, and Bobby

Brown is sniffing coke? Let's talk about the cocaine story about that. Saying Bobby Brown is sniffing coke is wrong. I shouldn't say Bobby Brown is sniffing coke. Because you thought he was sniffing something else? No. You thought he was sniffing coke. I just said it. Bobby Brown was sniffing cocaine.

Bobby Brown is hitting y'all with the Bobby jaw. Up at Dapper Dan. Before Birding. Way before Birding. Bobby Brown is hitting y'all with the Bobby jaw. Before Birdie. Way before Birdie. Birdie didn't have a... No, he had a song with Birdie. I really love it. He did something. His jaw was like this.

The video was over this way. Way before that. That was way before that. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, good. So Dapper Dan is doing this, and they come in on him. How do you have Mike Tyson beating up niggas that have the biggest champion in the world? Well, he used to explain it, and he can't explain it.

They shut him down. They shut down Dapper Dan. But he made Louis Vuitton and Gucci and MCM. Everything that young, urban, black, Latinos, niggas, none of us could fit a size two.

I may be bigger than all y'all niggas, but none of y'all could fit a size 2. They were making size 2s. He was making custom made sweatsuits for all of us. Forever. And they shut him down. And I figured out 25, 30 years later we're going to get it back. And now we get it back.

And now we open up a Dapper Dan store in Gucci. In Harlem. Rather. Gucci. In Harlem. Gucci. So we're using all the prints from 82 to 85. That's what we're doing. We're making Dapper Dan shit. And that's what we're going to do.

It doesn't matter. As a person, just looking from the outside in, I felt like you went crazy on Instagram at first because they had actually had a Louis Vuitton. Did I go do that? I kind of. I went Instagram hard? Did I? I don't do that. I'm asking, did I go hard, JB? Yes, yes.

You went hard. You went hard., did I go hard, JB? Yeah, yeah. You went hard. You went hard. What did I do? This is when I really wish I had your number. You did it. You're going to get this on Drift Jazz. Because it was something, man. It was a Louboutin.

Right, it was a girl wearing a Louboutin. I didn't know they did that. No, no, no. I'm 100% sure it's a Louboutin. Oh, shit. You know what? I don't doing that. No, no, no. I'm 100% sure. Oh, shit. You know what? I don't want to be. I want to be the guy.

No, you did it in all respect. I want to be a guy. I want to move culture. I don't want to be disrespectful. And if I was wrong in the way I approached it, I didn't want to do that. I'm not going to let this guy get robbed. I'm not going to let you get robbed. I'm not going to let you get robbed. I'm not going to let you get robbed.

Somebody starts this thing right now. They put three guys here and do a version of this show. And all of a sudden, there's Orlando Bloom and fucking Tom Cruise and some other guy. God damn it. I want Tom Cruise to take my show.

Come on. I'm sitting here saying want Tom Cruise to take my show. Come on. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm sitting here saying that we're doing drink champs. I'd be like, yo, that shit is fucked up. They robbed the niggas who had that original idea. Thank you, Stomp.

Of drinking and talking. Now we know what we're talking about. I don't like that type of shit. That's right, Stomp. And my job is to never let that type of shit sustain itself without me saying it. And I can't stop it. That's fine. But I'm going to definitely say something about it.

It's my job. Thank you, Stout. The success of this show is not my job. Thank you, Stout. The fact that no one can rob you of what you guys invented is my job. God damn it. It's Richard Mergers. Please stop.

And that's the part. And that's the end of the show. Cut the mics off. I'm not talking no more. No, no, no. I'm not talking. Stop. Stop.

I got to end the show. Stop. This is the thing. Please put it back in. No, you're not doing that. I got to. I got to. I have to big you up I gotta, I have to big you up. I have to big you up.

I have to big you up. Listen, listen, let me tell you something. In hip hop, we have to start saluting the people that's more behind the scenes. People will only salute... So, we love you stout thank you for coming here thank you thank you thank you don't don't don't was like damn I don't know what style invited me

to It's his fault, right? He murdered two. Absolutely. Nah, he's good, man. He's good, bro. He's such a great person. That's legendary, man. We got legends here, man. We got legends here. Guys, listen. Everybody, you good? I'll take a shot at your shit.

Whatever you pick, I'll take a shot. Everybody's good. I will tell you, I am thankful to be here. I love what you guys are doing. Yes. Being here, watching this whole thing come together, this shit is dope. Let's all pick up ourselves, man.

Yeah. Yeah. I got this. I got this. I love the job. Yeah. I love the job. My job is to push it forward.

I love the job. That's my job. It's my job. I'm on the push it forward. I love the job. That's my job. It's my job. I'm on the fucking front team. You gotta stop talking. And your mustache is too thin. The fact that you guys let him get away with this mustache in Miami is weird. My mustache ain't ready for real. I was thinking, keep going on with my mustache. Did you see his shit over there?

Yes. Jungle told me about it. He texted me. He said, you see his style shit? Style. You know how easily I could have killed you with your front tooth? My shit is good. My shit is good.

I don't know where this is going right now. I don't know. This is Queens shit. This is Queens shit. Queens guy. Queens guy. He's from Miami. Huh? Yeah, he's a guy. This is what we do as queens. Why don't we end it peacefully?

We're ending it peacefully. I appreciate everything that we can do as people and people keeping it together. I appreciate what you did for hip-hop. I appreciate what Trackmasters did. I appreciate how hard fuck y'all are as people. And we fucking want to salute our legends. There's not one show in the

world. You look at First Take, you look at all this other shit, these guys big up who it is. Not even First Take, TNT with Charles Barkley and what's the shit Kenny Smith Kenny Smith yeah Kenny Smith was that show okay we didn't have that in hip-hop so that's what I wanted to big up I want to bring up the people that I respect people that I love the people that put people in

positions and makes it work from there and that's what I wanted to do. Who's on your next shot? We never know who's on our next shot. Yeah, we're like firefighters. We get the call. We just do what the fuck we gotta do. That's absolutely the truth. That's what we gotta do. But guess what?

I wanted you to know in case you ever didn't know it, I respect you. I really do. Face to face. I knew that every problem I ever had with you was because I was a young person. And that's the reason why I came to you and I talked to you and I told you I'm sorry. Because as a man, I knew I wasn't a man. I knew I wasn't a man when I had a problem with you. So, that has nothing

to do with nothing. Yes, sir. That was good? Yes, sir. That was good? Yes, sir. You're in front of everybody. No, I want to do it in front of everybody because I'm a man. And that's what a man does. When a man recognizes what happens in anything,

and you've done amazing things in hip-hop, you continue to do amazing things in hip-hop. I'm not slapping. And you're not slapping. I'm not even stopping. You're not even stopping. And you know what? This is what we do in Drink Champs. We continue to respect the people

You listen This guy right here, I love him to death he's the fucking man. Yeah, you had a good time You sure you had everything off? Yeah, I'm gonna say something You obviously didn't hear what I said. It's not your first time here. Because this is a home. I don't know if I'm going to come back. No, no. And you will.

And you will. You say, these people like Irv Gotti. He's never coming back. No, I think he will. Never come back. Like, Stiles safe. We kept him safe. I gave Irv gave everybody so much.

I can't even believe it. You know what? It means so much more. That's why it's not your first time here. He's thinking about it. He's thinking about it. He's thinking about nothing. Look, look.

This man with the beard is looking like, listen, don't go into everybody's territory. He's crazy. Did you know what he said? He said that Eminem body jay-z You know the thing that he didn't know He didn't know he was Mike on voice the five nine already in Eminem already had the song I heard that. I'm not talking about that. No. Take the picture. Take the picture. Take the picture.

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