Drink Champs - Episode 112 w/ Big Daddy Kane

Episode Date: January 16, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with the legendary smooth operator, Big Daddy Kane! The guys talk about the Juice Crew, Biggie, Pac, Jay-Z, Brooklyn, Madonna, and a lot more! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And right... That's longer than it's ever been. And right now, when we started this show, we said we wanted to honor and, know salute living legends and when we can figure the guests that we have right now there's no equivocations there's no type of doubt at all how legendary this guy is he is single-handedly controlled the rap game put Brooklyn on his back put New York City on his back put hip-hop on his back has represented has done we have to travel

across the world took the pictures with Madonna and and and more than that and he's the only guy I know that got away with a speedo he's still the coolest guy in the world when you take a smooth operator, you gotta think of him. And I gotta ask him what it makes to be a smooth operator. And in case you people don't know who we are talking about, we got Big Daddy Kane in the motherfucking building! Man, we so excited to have you. Listen, I don't know, because I pulled up some old lyrics,

and I thought you was a darn hurry-on guy. So I got darn hurry-on, but we also know that you are, look, nobody got you, we got you red wine. That's your thing? That's your thing right there? We need to pop that pop. Yeah, exactly. So once I pulled it out, I thought,

we got you two, you know what I'm saying? Okay, you got it. You got the twist off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What made you switch to red wine? Well, honestly, I was messing with the Remy. I mean, you know, all that sugar from that, it was just putting too much weight on me.

Yeah, yeah, a cognac. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was doing that Remy like hard. Like, me and my dude, we'd knock down maybe like 2 fifths a night. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had to.

Original drink champs. Listen, listen. The whole time we've been on Drink Champs, we're on a hundred and something episodes. We've never popped a bottle of Dawn. I'm popping it in commemoration to you, my brother, for motherfucking Big Daddy King, motherfucker. That's right, my dude. That's right. I'm popping a bottle of Dawn. This is an old love, my friend. That's love. Woo! I'm popping a bottle of Dawn.

This is an old bottle, too. Look at that. And I... We gonna do it in slow-mo? Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. You can go. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Nah, I think we need to... You have such a long career. Yes. I want to take it from the beginning. What inspired you to get... Just to start spitting, period. You know, honestly, it was something that I got into at a young age because of an older cousin I looked up to. You know?

I mean, it was that type of thing. Now, I got me. You got an opener? Yeah, yeah. Oh. It was something, you know, that my older cousin was doing. Right. So, you know, I just did it really just to be like him.

And he told me, like, yo, you too young. Was he making records? Nah, nah. Just him and two of his boys around the way. You know, they was like a little rap group, a three-man rap group. And he told me I was too young. Like, nah, you know, when you get older. So then from that point, my mission became to be better

than the other two dudes down with him. So I started off writing battle rhymes, you feel me? And that's what I was doing. Then when I felt I had it right, I went and battled the two dudes down with him, beat them. Who are much older than you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were much older than me. I battled them and beat them and then asked them, can I be down now, you know? Hold on, because I got notes and shit, nigga. But, okay, so you battled them. Now you're just doing it on the block.

You're just spitting as a hobby, I'm assuming. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. So how is it that you get to where you become Big Daddy Kane? Is there a persona before Big Daddy Kane? Did you have another name? Where you were, did you? That's a hard name, though before Big Daddy Kane? Did you have another name? Did you... That's a hard name, Big Daddy Kane.

But I'm certain that you went through a couple names, maybe. Well, before Big Daddy Kane, it was just MC Kane. It was just MC Kane. MC Kane. All right, so now look. I was speaking to my good brother, Fat Joe, today. So Fat Joe calls me, and I'm mad hyped. He's like, yo, I got Fat Joe today. So Fat Joe calls me, and I'm mad hyped. He's like, yo, I said, yo, I got

Kane on today. So he said, Budweiser Superfest. Budweiser, he said, he demanded I ask you this question. Budweiser Superfest, Biggie and Tupac actually came out. The only time that people, the footage of Biggie and Tupac. This is that famous

record? Yeah, actually performing. Where Brooklyn at? Where's that one at? You know what Fat Joe told me? That they were, that wasn't even they set. They were coming out with Kane. No, yeah. That was Kane.

It was in the end. Joe was next up to Rhyme when they gave me to wrap it up. Like, you got five minutes. So I wasn't able to even bring Joe on. But Joe was standing with the mic ready. You know what I mean? They gave me to wrap it up. Joe was standing there with the mic ready. You know, and they gave me the rap it up. Joe still is like, man, if I would have gone on stage that day,

he's still upset. If I would have had five more minutes, he would have been on there. Real talk, you know. That's the William Wood dig, man. Let us know the first time you met Jay-Z. The first time I met Jay-Z, it was back in, I want to say, 88 maybe. In the early 80s, or mid-80s, my name was popping in Brooklyn for battling people. Of course.

But there was one dude whose name was bigger than mine. This guy named Jazz. Jazz Up? Yeah. Okay, cool. He was more poppin', and then to top it off, to make matters worse,

dude around the corner from me, Fresh Gordon, that had a Gordie Groove record, Fresh Gordon did a mixtape with Jazz, and I'm livin' around the corner from him, so I'm like, you know, you gon' get a Marcy cat when I'm right here?

Now, you from Fort Greene or no? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm from off Louis Avenue, two blocks from Roosevelt Project. Okay, cool, cool. And that side. So I'm like here now you from for green or no, no, no, no, I'm from off Louis ever two blocks from Roosevelt project Okay, cool. Hey, that's odd. Um So I'm like, you know, you will get the Marcy cat instead of do right around the corner So now I'm really pissed. I'm like me and this jazz do we have to battle we gonna have to battle So have a white so fear none of that out at this time. No, no, no

No, this is like me this is one of us all you had deals. Okay, neither one of us had deals. Okay. Neither one of us had deals. Okay. And it just never happened. Like, I tried to, you know, find a jazz. It never happened. Right. Then here I am, I do have records out, and I get a call from the Shirt Kings. Oh, the Queens. Yeah. Yeah.

And they say, yo, we want you to do a mixtape at Gordie crib with jazz And I'm like well if it's a battle yeah, right I mean I'm making records now, but that's dumb that shit still was eating me up You know so you say it you say it back then? Battling was like more important to even getting on a record with a person like actually battling the MC Well, I mean, you know the record person record person was great too, but like I said, this was something personal. Oh, okay.

You know, I mean, I love jazz now, and I have a lot of respect for it, you know, but I mean, yeah, this was something personal then. You know, so it was like, yeah, we can do it if we battle. Okay. And then when I get there to Gordie Cribb, you know, he's like, nah, nah, nah, listen, you know, jazz ain't with EMI no more,

so we just wanted to, you know, like do something, maybe y'all do something together You know saying where he can you know really shine and whatnot, you know, we you know get to probably a new deal Right, so I was like, alright cool Okay, and then Jazz asked me yo can my man rhyme on it? Right and I'm like, you know, I don't care This is pretty fast Jay. So we did the joint, me, Jazz, and Jay-Z. And then afterwards, dude from the Shirt King, he was like, yo, you think maybe you can take Jazz up to Coachella and maybe try to get him a deal, you know, something? Coachella's the record label for your young boys. Can I continue?

So I told him, yo, I mean, to be honest with you, I kind of like the Skinny Light Skin nigga better. You know? Talking about Jay-Z. Talking about Jay-Z. Right. And, you know, from that point, you know, me and Jay got hooked up. And, like, I was trying, you know, I tried my hardest, you know, to get him, you know, a deal with several different labels. You know, just things just didn't work out.

But Lucky was smart enough to, you know, figure out a way to do it on his own, you know? Yeah. But let me just interject for one second big daddy kane is the first guest that came with their own corkscrew goddamn it makes them Listen, man, I wouldn't expect anything less. Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything less. Listen, in my mind, he was going to drink Dom Perignon, so I still got two bottles of Dom Perignon, just in case you want to reminisce. What is, what is, what is, um... I'll get back to the Jay-Z thing later, but... Okay, you wrote The Vapors, correct? Yeah, for Biz Mark.

Hey, okay. Come on, guys. We need everybody to shut the hell up, please. So, look. This is prior to you having your own records. Is it? Yeah. Hey, okay. Come on guys. We need everybody to shut the hell up, please. So look. This is prior to you having your own records, is it? Yeah. Because that's how I heard it. I heard that that's how you kind of got on.

Like you was writing for Biz and Roxanne Shante. But was Biz like the first record that you wrote for that blew up? Was it The Vapors? You got The Vapors. It got the Vapors. You got the Vapors, nigga. It was, um, it was, now, first was some of the, um, some of, um, Nobody Beats the Biz. Nobody Beats the Biz. Nobody Beats the Biz. Nobody Beats the Biz. I've got this arm He told me he's doing the thing like using the whiz song and he got this floating But he wanted a ziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaziggaz You know, he's like, you know, let it flow like that. Hey, you know just put something together

So that guy was the first you you knew that you knew you could think like somebody else like Cuz that's what I mean. I was pretty much around biz most of time You're already juice Crew at this time? Nah, nah, nah. Biz, he was Juice Crew, but not me. So how'd you meet Biz? I met Biz through the Sea of Cat in Long Island. This dude in Long Island named Wayne was dating my cousin Nicky.

And whenever he'd be around, he'd always be telling me about this dude named Biz Marky D. Biz Marky D this, Biz Marky D that you know such a such a such So one day he came back off of my grandmother live right across the street from the Albee Square Mall So my first go front of Albee Square Mall don't out there. I Invite me What's the four green niggas took me there We go to try out all of you from Farragut. I'm sorry. Yeah, too. Yeah. A bunch of Fort Greene niggas took me there. Oh, okay. There you go. We're going to Detroit Outdoor.

My people from Farragut. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no. You got to mention that. You got to do that. Yeah. But I mean, you know, this time, you know, he's like, yo, my man Biz is in the mall. Yo, he was just beatboxing, too, and all this other stuff. I'm not here in the mall right now.

So I'm like, let me meet him. But I'm like, I need you to understand something. After the day, when I eat his ass up, from now on, you go to this Biz Markie D dude, and you tell him about MC Kane. Right, right. So we went over there. I asked Biz to battle.

We battled. And after the battle, Biz was like, yo, you dope, man. You should get down with me. If you get down with me, I promise you, man, we're going to make a record one day, man. And Biz is big at this time? No. He's just locally big?

No. Matter of fact, Biz wasn't even down with the Juice Crew then. Yeah, he was actually just rocking with the Mike and Dave cats, doing parties and like all of them, BX and Long Island. Yeah. Wow. So, now let's take me in the mind frame Of the vapors Did somebody shit on you? And you wanted to just

Get them back in the music I had nothing to do with that All that was Biz out there Oh word? The whole thing was Biz out there Like Biz was like So you wrote it with him in mind Like when you were writing it

No he came with the Biz told me Yo Remember you was telling me That story About you know Your family member Whoopty whoop You should story about, you know, your family member, whoop-de-whoop, you should write about that, you know.

And he was like, and talk to Cool V, talk to Swan, you know. And, you know, I just talked with them, and, you know, they told me different stories about, you know, Cassie tried to play them, but been sweating them down, you know. So who came up with the actual word vapors this like and it came up one day in the Albee Square Mall I could play biz in the movie right keep it real nah I wouldn't do another note though I think that you are a hell of an actor. No, real talk.

You did a great job. Let's get a drink going. Now, what is this? What kind of red wine is this? It describes it. It's some sexy shit, King. Oh, it's called Cleo. It's a Spanish red.

It's, I believe, 70% Monastrell, which is a Spanish grape, and 70% Spanish Cab. Very sophisticated. I mean, it's um it's um uh i believe 70 percent monastrell which is a spanish grape and 70 percent spanish very sophisticated i mean that's 30 excuse me 30 you said spanish cat cab so all right you guys you you you write the vapors song blows up. Let me ask you a question even before I go into depth with that. How come business looked like a real MC and Drake isn't? I don't know. I mean, you know, it's like, here's my thing, which I've always tried to explain. It's like, you know, once you cross that line, you sign that paper, you know, you cross that line. What do you mean?

Well, I mean, it's like, you know, on the street, you're an MC. But once you sign that paper, you start making records. You're an artist. You're going to be produced. You know, so it's really where you want to go with it. Right. You know? I mean, with me, I've always tried to walk a fine line and do a little bit of both.

As an artist, I try to make music for men and women, you know, touch an R&B and keep the hood shit as well but also spit battle cats and do real MC shit, you know, I was trying to walk that fine line I Mean it's like for someone like biz biz is an artist Who makes you know some of the most funniest records that make you enjoy life, you know? So I mean with Drake doing this with Drake doing the same thing, and if he does have cats writing for him,

I have no problem with that. I mean, you know, I think that makes him a great artist. Because I don't look at Biz no less than an artist. I don't look at Eazy-E. Eazy-E actually said on the record, he said, Ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say. And for some reason, it didn't bother me. And Dre, Dre never wrote his rhymes.

I was even a dope one with Puffwood. I don't write rhymes, I write checks. So how come these people don't tick off the average fan, but Drake does? You think it's because Drake is so high At the level like you you you got the experience to be that the only guy at one point Do you think that's the reason why Drake is receiving so much slack? No, I probably could see a sex sample You know sex simple, too. That's my point Imagine you you're not gonna shake down y'all not going to be friends too long.

You made it hard for them light-skinned niggas out there. Let's make some noise for the light-skinned niggas out there. Can't even shut your light-skinned people down. But did Biz ever say, like, I'm the illest MC? Did he ever, like, was that ever his thing that he put out there? Nah, I mean, he may have said it, like, you know, rhyming, you know, off the dome. Right, right. You Nah, I mean, he may have said it like, you know, rhyming off the dome. Right, right. You know, but I mean,

you know. Because I think that might be the difference between a dude that considers himself an MC, a battle MC, versus just being a good overall artist.

Some of them are going to put themselves out there that way. Yeah, I mean, you have a lot of cats out here that's making amazing music that I think are

great artists. And I mean, you know, I don't think that they should be looked down upon because you know, they have writers. But at the same time, if that's your thing, then I don't think that you should be considering yourself, you know, a

real MC. You know, take the time of rapper. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Ain't nothing wrong with rapper. That's real. Okay, so now, we talk about the vapor so now okay so after the vapors come out right is it are people checking for you now because they know you like is it is it is it word of mouth that they know you woke this record so is that like not really i mean um i think like down the line people you know uh you know found out that i was writing you know um for um biz and some of the stuff for shantae

you know that came like um down the line um and those records took off immediately when they came out yeah yeah you got your papers yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they do I'm gonna make a start off come on what are you old niggas tell me okay well can you feel it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we was in the mall walking around the mall this here bad chick I have been

trying to you know get at for a long time in high school yeah okay okay and bitch you know get at for a long time school yeah okay and beers you not silly business he behind her just walking around just just making up stuff like you know like Superman Joe's over she caught the papers and stuff like that and I'm gonna get what the hell is you talking about she caught the papers he just kept saying stuff like that for her. And I'm like, what the hell is you talking about? She caught the faithless. He just kept saying it, you know? And that's when he started it and then told me it would be a joke song.

Can you feel it? Nothing can save you because this is the season. Come on, man. I'm the DJ. You're the DJ? No, I know the record. I know the record. All right, we're going to go through some Kane rhymes today, god damn it.

So now, all right. So when was the actual move where you actually felt like, okay, I'm making progress to getting on? Like, cause you just said that people didn't really take notice of you writing the records. It was, it all, let me see, what was it? Oh, it began with Nobody Beats the Biz. Nobody Beats the Biz.

Which was before the vape was actually. The day that Biz bought the beat, he was going, I think, to another record store to get the Steve Miller band part for it. So he asked me, I'm like, yo, I got a test today, man. I can't, you know, fuck with you right now. You know, so he went on and walked me to the store. And I went to school. But after school, I took the train to Marley Fib in Queens. Queens Bridge?

Huh? Was it Queens Bridge, Marley Bridge? Astoria. Astoria, okay. Yeah. He's blown up. Yeah. When I got there, Biz wasn't there yet so you know with Marley

he like cracked the door with the chain on it and was you know yo biz ain't here I'm like well I was supposed to meet him here and he's like he ain't here I'm like you know I rode the train all the way from Brooklyn um did you know who Marley Mar was at the time or no yeah yeah yeah okay I've been there before okay going with with the Chizkut. He was like, your biz ain't here, I don't know what to tell you, money. No doubt. I'm like, well look, these the rhymes

he's supposed to say today. Just let him know I came through. Then he was like, you writing biz stuff? Like, I wrote that, you know. He took the chain off and was like, you know, how this go? You know, and I was like spitting a little bit of it. He was like, I think he asked me, did I write, make the music? I was like, nah. little bit of he's like I think he asked

me did I write make the music I was like nah and he was like yo come on and come on in and he invited me in and then like asked me do I rhyme to I'm thinking I spit something for him and he was like yo let's work on something Wow yeah and what's the first record you worked on I'll take you yeah I'll take you there. Yeah. Just dancing that first song. Go on, girl! Yeah! Yeah! Goddamn, getting chills through my body, goddamn. Hold on, goddamn, my notes is going down. The fuck is going on, goddamn.

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I want to say 87 though. I want to say 87. So it's not even the height yet of Juice Crew, like what they was doing. I mean, yeah, it was pretty much good because, you know, I mean, we talk about the time of this is during Roxanne's Revenge. OK, the bridge. It's a demo. Do you know?

Wow. So now. OK. So you make that record with Marley. Now, what is the first record that you felt like, wow, I kind of made it somewhere? Raw. Raw? R-A-W. Terrorist. Hit it, bring trouble. Come on, come on, Paul. Where you at? Come on, Drain, talk about this your baby artist. Let's go. I know all K-lyrics. Let's go, baby. You want to battle? We're going to lip sync battle right now. I know I'm there is this go baby what about we could listen battle right now I know I'm away so Raw let's take me take me to that time frame

Well, I mean, it's 87. I'm fresh off the joint with beers that don't just rhyming with beers. Yes. Yes, y'all What club is popping the limelight? not quarters rooftop quarters Union Square I Nah, Quarters, Rooftop, Union Square. Woo! Go ahead, King! Yeah. Go ahead.

I mean, it was like, you know, we was fresh off that Just Rhyme With Biz where, like, you know, I got a song out and, you know, I'm thinking that, you know, oh yeah, it's on now, because I got this Just Rhyme With Biz joint with Biz, but since Biz started the song off, everybody thought it was Biz's record. So, promoters is booking Biz, like, you know, like, yeah, he'll probably bring new dude with him. Right. So, I got a song that they playing, you know, on the Rap Attack and on Red Alert, but nobody's booking me. I'm

home broke as hell. Right. You know, like, I mean, listen to my joint on the radio and then go walk 13 blocks to go steal Mrs. Paul Fish dicks, because I ain't got nothing. You know what I mean? Oh, man. So, that's how it was, and I'm begging Fly Ty, you know, who ran Coach and ran cultural records can I do a song by myself can I just do something with just me he's like it's not time you need to let this record marinate for a while then finally I guess

he got tired of me getting on his nerves and yeah I went in like Marley I was like yo um my man just gave me this here um this Bobby Byrd joint. And I found these here. Bobby Murda? Bobby Byrd. Oh, I was about to say, okay. That's the drums. I'm coming, I'm coming.

Yeah, my man just gave me this here Bobby Byrd joint. And I found these here crazy horns from off the Black Caesar soundtrack. You know, we put the joint together and that was that I get my notes but they don't want to be great baby great right now hey got me like the goose bumps and all that this is real shit man I so uh so not a juice crew because we just you just touched on the Juice Crew lightly, right? Now, let's get even deeper. That symphony session.

How did that go down? Were y'all cool? There was, the night I did Raw, I took G-Rap to the studio with me. And how did you know G-Rap? I just can't say it like that. Just through Juicy. I just met G through Juicy. He was the one I read? Nah.

Okay. Well, I believe G may have had Demo. It's the Demo? Yeah. Go ahead. But it was like we was the two- It's about crew G-Rap, right? Yeah.

Okay. We was the two lyrical dudes in the crew waiting to get our shine. Because everybody else was popping except us. You dig did so we waiting to really get our shine so they looking at you like the two lyrical dudes is that the way y'all being looked at at the time you also never get Craig G and master ace correct yeah okay continue so it's like you know when I have did raw Marley brought the beat back and me and Jesus did a little freestyle off of it and Molly played it And a lot of people was demanding like yo play the raw version with Kane and G on it, you know So Molly wait, wait, come on. Sorry. You said it was just first UNG on Symphony. Yeah

Well cuz I basically we round off raw Off the beat together and Molly played it after raw came out. So people was requesting it, thinking it was a remix. Marley played it for a while, but then he stashed it and was like, yo, look, I need you and G to do the same thing, but for my album. So it was really supposed to just be a song with me and G. Then eventually, I guess when Marley was making the track or something, Craig heard it and I guess told Marley he wanted in.

And Marley came to me and I was like, you know, well, you know, I like that Duck Alert shit and I was like, you know, well, you know, I like that duck alert shit. And, you know, yeah, Craig, my dude. Yeah, absolutely. Very good. So then it was me, G, and Craig. But then the day we was filming the pictures for Marley album cover,

after we got through, we went to Marley crib right after the photo session. Right. And he was like, you know, this is my new artist, Master Ace. And, you know... Master Ace from Brooklyn, correct Brooklyn correct yeah okay yeah Brownsville yeah yeah he's like you want to put him on the song and I'm like you know looking at ace you know I mean I

love ace but I aces to wear these big glasses right so me and G like we sit in there like he wasn't convinced yo Yo, like, dude, nah. I'm like, yo, let's say we're going to get some pizza and get the fuck up out of here, man. So that was the plan. Right, right. But I guess we took too long, and Ace got a chance to start spitting. And he spitted his verse. You know, I was like, yo, glass is kind of nice, man.

Like, I'm kind of feeling dude. Glass is right. verse you know I was like yo grass is kind of nice man like I'm kind of feeling good so then then um afterwards on Craig spit his verse you know and then G came on to me you know that she rap listen to him shit glasses might be a little bit better in cringe so it was like you know we was like yeah yeah we messing with do we dig and do yeah all right let's do this right so we did it and then but then G rap went and he said like I don't know is this like maybe you can tell me just like a Queen's thing cuz like he had like about a hundred and 150 bars man. Dude ran the real off. So I'm like so I'm not going there. So yeah so G

had to cut his rhyme just so know, just so I can even fit my verse on Right Now what was the problem with you and Rakim? What was the, it was a You know, honestly, to this day I would love to know Right You know

Oh shit No, because I mean, you know I never, I never had a problem You know, with Rakim And you know, me and Eric B was like this Right You know When I bought my first house I never had a problem with Rakim. And me and Eric B was like this. Right. You know?

When I bought my first house, Eric B had a set of keys before I did. Because I was in LA filming something. Wow. So I mean, me and Eric was cool. I guess it was the type of thing where people just wanted to know who was better. So they would push to try to get us to better.

Were they trying to compare you guys styles together like uh because y'all both laid back and lyrical i think it's really a lyrical thing yeah like i think kane is lyrical i think rise lyrical but who's better right you know that type of thing right you know a competitive thing you know which is which to me is hip-hop right you know so you know i can understand them wanting to see that When you see Meek Mill And Drake going at it What do you think of things like that?

I mean My thing is like this here You keep it on record It's hip hop You take it off record, it's hip-hop. You take it off record, now you turn it into a contact sport. Did Kane ever have to slay somebody on the mic? Oh yeah, yeah.

Who you had to slay, Kane? Let's throw it out there. On the mic or off the mic? On the mic, baby, come on, where you going? I'm saying, that's a contact sport. I battled, that was my thing, battling. Right. So, I mean, there was a whole bunch of rappers I battled.

I mean, is that your question or are you asking me like somebody... Yeah. No, I'm talking about on wax. Like, who did you slay? Oh, oh, nah, nah. Yeah? Nah, I never had... Okay.

Nah. You didn't have time for that? Nobody wanted me until... I mean, nobody wanted to keep going that way. Hey! Make some noise for Kade. Go off it. that nobody wanted me until I mean nobody wanted to keep on that one. So now the Slick Rick thing, who brought this up? Was this EPMD? Who was it? It was... I think it was. It was EPMD or Jermaine Dupri. It was one of them. They said Slick Rick...

Oh the bus thing? Yeah the bus that y' them. They said Slick Rick. Oh, the bus thing? Yeah, the bus. Y'all had beef and Slick Rick pulled out a gun and tried to shoot you. Is this true? I'm just saying, y'all my heroes, man. So I just got to act it straight up. There might be a little truth to that. Yo, listen.

This is the crazy thing. Listen, right? Right now, if little, you know, Curly Head and Uncle Such and Such have beef, we all know about it. But back then, we didn't have Instagram. We didn't have Twitter. So it was all word of mouth. So when I'm hearing this, and I forget who called me, and they was like, man, yo, this is an EPMD episode. And they was like, yeah, you missed a whole bunch of things. And I was who called me And they was like Man Yup It's an EPMD episode And they was like Yeah you missed a whole bunch of things

And I was like Word And I had never I had never knew I had never heard you go at Slick Rick No Nobody went at nobody

It wasn't nothing like that So let's just keep it clear So back in the days Y'all had beep But it was not on record Yeah It was some little mild stuff You know

Okay That gun came into play? Yeah, it was more or less, I guess, about the tour, an issue about the tour, the LL Nitro tour. You know, that was just a little issue. Nah, it was nothing. It was all news, man. You know what I'm saying?

What was the problem over? Huh? What was the problem over? The problem was over the same thing that Huh? What was the problem over? Like, um, the problem was over the same thing, um, that, um,

EPMD was talking about when y'all had him here about the order of the show. Mm. Oh, yeah, because he was tearing shit down. Yeah,

I see. Let me tell you something about Kane. I know I'm changing the subject, but niggas don't want to go on after Kane, son.

Niggas don't want to come on after Ain't No High Steppin'. But I mean, niggas don't want to go on at the cage son niggas don't want to come on at the ain't no high step but i mean niggas don't want to come on in all honesty let me just say this here slick rick had an amazing show and also he had the club bangers mona lisa children's stories i mean he had an amazing show and epmd i mean it was like the energy they brought on stage was phenomenal. You know what I'm saying? I mean, like these dudes just had like crazy energy, you know what I mean? So for them to like not be doing a lot of movement, you know, they had a phenomenal show. And you turn it around with the dancers.

You know what you're hitting the wall. You're doing all that. Like, Kane, you give them a show. Keep it real. Oh with the dancers. You know what you're hitting the wall? You're doing all that. Like, hey, you give them a show. Keep it real, man. Oh, no, no, no. You give them a show. But I mean, you know, I mean, I came from a different perspective. I think me and you had this conversation over in London before.

Like I was saying, like, I'll tell you that, like, you know, Doug E. Fresh came to one of my shows. And, you know, he saw me perform, and we smashed it. This is at The World. Okay. Downtown. Uh-huh. We did a show, and Doug E. saw me smash it. And I'm asking him, what you think?

And Doug is, you know, he's like, I mean, you know, it was all right, but you know, I thought that you cut up. And you know, in my mind. She's the world's greatest entertain I'm gonna say the tailor yeah, but I mean nobody's like after I know I just rocked it I'm in my mind. I'm like yeah old school ass nigga just That's what's up But then he was like yo won't you come by the crib you know let me show you something So we go by you know his his crib and he pull out these, back then I think it might have been Betamax.

I'm not even sure what we was rocking then. But videos of Earth, Wind & Fire, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd. So y'all studying that? No, he's showing me what he studied. Oh, okay. And explaining how he, you know, transformed that into hip hop. Right. You know, to make it work at a hip hop show.

And I'm like, mm. transform that into hip-hop, you know, to make it work at a hip-hop show. And I'm like, mm. So that next morning, I woke up and bought me a James Brown video, Marvin Gaye, and Barry White. Those are the first three I bought. VHS you're talking about? Yeah, that's my favorite. VHS is also, yeah. I think this is before VHS. Yeah, okay.

And, you know, yeah, and I start, you know, um Studying them and figure out different things to do on stage So you see my mindset wasn't about how to make the dope hip-hop show My mindset was about how to make a dope show show and make hip-hop accepted. I Got I got another question to ask who Who's flat top ruled in 89? Come on, come on. Boil it up, kid! Boil it up, kid! Boil it up, kid! Yo, let me tell you something. How much you should pay your barber?

Because he had your shit right! Your shit was... It was... It was how you call it in Spanish. Perfecto! Well, you know, it was like, was how you call it in Spanish, perfecto. Well, you know, it was like, you know, I had a barber, but then also school was nice with the clippers too. So before we go on stage, I can always get, you know, you know what I mean? Did you have a flat top back then?

Come on, man. I had a flat top, but my shit ain't come like Cain's. My shit was not like Cain's. My shit go bloop. I think I invented the Gumby because my barber was just so fucked up. You had the Gumby too? Yeah, I had a Gumby too. I had that. I had a Kwame, Polka Dot, everything.

I was a real hip-hop kid. You know what I mean? So, you think you perfected the flat top? I think I may have made it popular by talking about it. Because it was something that I asked for from seeing Larry Blackman from Cameo. So I wasn't the first to have it. And Kid from Kid N Play, his joint was always bigger than mine. Yeah, he had an ultimate joint.

But I think it was just a matter of me always talking about it you know what i'm saying like really putting a brand to it you know what i'm saying no but you were like the hood uh let me let me uh say this you were like the hood like you represented the hood like when you were doing it right people from the hood followed what you did so that's what i'm saying like the hood controls the world so we didn't we didn't see the flats out from cameo do you think you don't you don't think you just suffer for the generation you're talking about for that generation yeah i didn't watch cameo on them niggas like not really like that they you know y'all was my camp no i got you you know so now um what was your experience like working with Cold Chillin' in those days?

Because Cold Chillin' was damn near like Def Jam. Def Jam, yeah, for sure. Or like Def Ro or whatever. You guys was like the first hood label that was ran by hood people. So how was that experience? I mean, it was beautiful. I mean, you know, Def Jam, without a doubt, is, you know, like probably the greatest hip-hop label ever. But Cold Chillin' was unique because the artist was a crew.

See what I'm saying? Def Jam had a bunch of hip-hop artists. Yeah, yeah. Cold Chillin' had the Juice crew. The artists were a crew. Right. You see what I'm saying? And it operated that way and with each one

giving off, you know, their different, you know, forms of artistry. Like, you know, you had me

on the lyrical stuff and the smooth player stuff. You had G-Rap on the gangster stuff, Biz on the comedies, Shantae on the sassy mouth, disrespecting everybody. Touching all bases.

You know, Shan is the wild child, the wild cowboy. You know, it was like that Craig G, you know, the baby come up dude, you know. And all of y'all was single artists and then became the Juice Crew, correct? As opposed to like Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang was all first of the crew. No, we were brought in as a, like, you know, as a member of the Juice Crew. The Juice Crew, make no mistake, this is Mr. Magic thing. It wasn't Shan or Shantae thing.

It wasn't Molly or Fly Tide thing. This is Mr. Magic thing. I don't think people really know that anymore. I said that on his hashtag. Like, Shantae is and will forever be, you know, the queen of the Juice crew. She is the

one who made it popular. Right. Because she was the first artist to do it on wax. I wouldn't school her sister fast enough. Oh, okay. I know. She was the first artist to do it on wax. Throw that out there. Who did you guys go with? I went to school with her sister, Fastina. Oh, okay, I know. Yeah, yeah, no. But yeah, she's the one who put it on wax, you know what I'm saying, where we all can

eat and make money off of it. But, you know, I mean, a lot of people don't know. So she was the first one to, like, really rep it to where people really knew what it was. She's the one who made the Juice Crew blow. Right, okay. So Shantae will forever be the queen of the Juice Crew. But prior to Shantaantay and a lot

of people don't notice jaleel from houdini mighty mike c from the fearless four um uh melly mel uh waterbed kev these are all members of the juice crew that was before her yeah i didn't yeah you know because this was magic crew but dave was a part of, you know, his team with radio. Right. You know? Shantae started a whole new chapter of the Juice Crew as artists. Hold on, let me interrupt for a second. You know, we really got to give it up to the companies that support Drink Champs.

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code CHAMPS when they go to eHarmony.com Do you think you invented smooth rap? Like rap that's just smooth. Cool as a cucumber? Like I would say Ove does smooth rap. I can't say I invented it, but I damn sure made it right. Okay, goddamn, make some noise for me, Daddy K.

Hey, goddamn. I think you invented smooth rap. And I think one of the people who are still doing it and perfecting smooth rap is Jay-Z. And he's the director. Yeah, I think he's the direct descendant of Big Daddy King. Of your crew. You got Madonna on this list? Yeah, I got Madonna, goddammit.

You want to go to that right now? I want to hear that story. First off, I got pictures with... Is that Madonna? You got Madonna on this list? Yeah, I got Madonna. God damn it. Yeah, I got Madonna. You want to go to that right now? I want to hear that story. First off, I got pictures with... Is that Madonna? You got pictures? Is that Madonna and Naomi Campbell? Mm-hmm. For real?

What the... The legs? Where are they? Yeah. You want to put them up? I mean, that's on you. No, just tell us what a job. How did you end up...

Well, we know how it ended up, but you ended up in her book. Wait a minute. No did you end up? Well, we know how it ended up. You ended up in her book. Wait a minute. The photo shoot. Let's go. What was the photo shoot like, brother? That was Madonna and Naomi Campbell.

God damn it. I mean, the photo shoot was fun. You know what I mean? Hold on. Hold on, God. Oh, my God. Hold on, God. Hold on, God.

Everybody see that? For people on Vogue TV. Hold on, I got one more somewhere. That's Madonna? That poster you... Jeez. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Kane. Talk about it. Nah, the photo shoot was live.

I mean, you know, it was like, you know, music playing, food out and stuff. What was this for? Madonna? Nah, it was for her book. Her book called Sex. Oh, so it was for her book? Yeah. Oh, Madonna. Yeah, it was a Madonna book. Ooh book called Sex. Oh, so it was for her book? Yeah. Oh, Madonna. Yeah, it was a Madonna book. Woo, you're the first nigga to knock down Madonna. Give me high five.

Woo! Okay, listen. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no. You gotta get it. No, no, no. Me and Madonna never had sex. We just took nude photos.

Oh, damn. So it's on the record now. I could have sworn that they got it. No, no, no. We just took nude photos. Oh, dad. So we're talking about the record now. For real? I could have sworn that they got it. No, no, no. We just took nude photos. That's all. You sure? I think I remember.

Okay. Yeah. And they owe me neither. Because you locked down a lot of things, King. Like, King, man. Well, them two not on the list, man. They not on the list? I mean, nah.

And I mean, don't get me wrong. Madonna, you know, she's a beautiful young lady. And more importantly, she was mad cool. Right. Because you see, the way we met, that't get me wrong, Madonna, you know, she's a beautiful young lady. And more importantly, she was mad cool. Right. Because you see, the way we met, that's what the whole, you know, because we met under different circumstances. You know, this wasn't about no sexy, you know, freaky stuff. You know, like the way we met was me, Madonna, and Color Me Bad was visiting hospitals. Oh, how sexy you are.

Yeah, Color Me Bad. Color Me Bad. Yeah. So you see where Color me bad. Yeah. So you see where this is going. Yeah. So we visit in hospitals with kids, like this, you know,

sick in the hospital, going to take pictures with them and sign autographs. And, you know, these hospitals are like on the east side of Manhattan and stuff like this. So while we there,

you know, they knew who Madonna was. They knew who Color Me Bad was. You know, a lot of kids in the hospital, they didn't really know exactly who we there, you know, they knew who Madonna was. They knew who Color Me Bad was. You know, a lot of kids in the hospital, they didn't really know exactly who I was,

you know. Because this was like, you know, upper class, you know, white children, you know. And Madonna's sitting there

like, you know Big Daddy Kane? Say hi to Big Daddy Kane. He's a famous rapper. Let me hear you say, ain't no half. And I'm like, oh, Madonna know my shit. Yo. You know, like, like, yeah, He's a famous rapper. Let me hear you say ain't no

Like yeah, that was one of the moments for me before I have to you finger pop them See I didn't dispute that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so it's clear. I mean, you got that. I mean, what? Clearly, his speakers is not active. I mean, what am I going to lie like that's not me? Was that her idea? Can you please speak about it? Let's keep it real, Kane. Did you smell it?

In other words, come on. We all smell it. Nah. You didn't smell it? Ah. Nah. Let me see your hands right there. It smells like Madonna.. Smells like Madonna.

I want this leftover with Madonna residue. Let's make some noise for the leftover with Madonna residue. Nah, but Kane, let me just tell you, son. Listen, you got two of the baddest women, arguably two of the best of both worlds. I would have wore Speedo to my brother You know what I'm saying? It's not a good shot, you know what I'm saying? It's not like the Chinese stuff. It's more like, you know, like a spin ball. It's like a spin ball, right? You know, you got away with it, my nigga. Hold on, I got another one.

You shoot a real greasy, man. I got enough time, my nigga. Let me tell you something, Kane. Yo, listen, we all looked up to you in the hood, and we was like, damn. Like, in our mind, I don't, you said you did it, but in our mind, niggas was like, yo, you like you can blow up you could rap and you can fuck rich white bitches It's just cut our eyebrows so then we started kind of inspiration

let me tell you how much how much yo Eric where's that liver guy where that liver guy this how much oh this is what took my dog oh ok here look cause they told me you don't drink champagne or you don't drink it but i just wanted to give you a bottle of Dom Perignon for me.

To you. To you. No, I appreciate it, man. Because in my mind, I thought we was going to drink champagne because I just be looking at, it ain't no half-stepping. When you in the ring, you in the ring, and I just, in my mind, when they fed you water, it was champagne. In my mind. Well, I mean, for the money and when they fed you water, it was champagne. In my mind. Well, I mean, for the money and the record, I do drink champagne. It's just that I prefer wine.

But I do drink champagne. Okay, all right, cool. Well, you know, listen, Kane, I just got to throw this out there. Every guest that we ever had did a shot of something, right? So would you like to enjoy one shot? One shot of something. This is what I recommend. This is called Tiger Ball.

That's semi-herbal. Yeah, it's semi-herbal. This is no sugar, just in case. I don't know if this is the right way to sell it at all. No, I'm just saying, like, you know, some people will be worried about their sugar levels. This is a Chinese herb. It's heavy in ginseng and a lot of something else.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You take a shot. Come on, come on, come on. Yeah, Fennessey, it's your turn. I's heavy in ginseng and a lot of something else. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got it. You take a shot. Come on. Come on. Yeah, Fenn, this is your turn. I look like the ginseng. Yes, you do.

Come on. Let's do it. This is Big Daddy Kane. He's been hype all fucking week. Oh, no. We've all both been hype. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, Kane, there's no outlet for us.

Yo, hold on. I mean, hold on. Look at the size of these fucking shot glasses. Come on. We don't. Come on. We got to. Yeah.

Yeah. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Give me one more. So, Kane, you know, when we, me and my partner, we sat here and we said, you know, we had had a radio show prior to that, but on this radio show, we was just playing around. We was bullshit. But we just sat back and said, there isn't an outlet for our people our older statesmen our people who put in this work our people who did what they had to do and to sit down and be saluted so we want you to know that this is what we doing tonight big daddy came first off you raised me in case you ain't know it or not you raised me i'm sure you raised half of these motherfuckers in your room and if

you didn't raise these guys in your room their parents fuck to your music and that's why they're here right now so you raised them indifferently indefinitely so i'm directly indirectly indirectly because i just want to say big daddy came you should be saluted every day of the motherfucking year you're a virgo we're gonna get into that later, September 10th, correct? Yes, sir. That day should be Big Daddy Kane fucking holiday. Just do whatever the fuck you want to do on that day. You should be able to piss on your boss' feet and just come to fucking work and just do whatever the fuck you got to do. But I don't know if you know this is how we do it, Kane. This is Ah to Ah. This is Tiger Bone. This is drink champs motherfucking shit.

And this is to Big Daddy Kane. Oh, you're my favorite. It's not good at all. Nah, it gotta burn. It gotta burn. But it's smooth, though. It's smooth. Of course he would say it's smooth.

No, Kane. I'm growing up. Yes, sir. I'm following you. I'm a kid. How do I become a smooth operator? You know, lots of times I talk to the youth about their career, and it's like I always try to tell cats, you know, that, you know, you got to give your fans you.

You cannot follow the trend. Because trends come and go. So when that trend is gone, you're gone. Because you was a part of it. There was nothing special about you. There was nothing special that made them try to dissociate you from whatever the hell else was going on. You have to be somebody that's unique. Give them something original.

Something where they gravitate to what you do, what you represent. You know what I'm saying? That's something I've always thought was important in an artist, you know? I mean, you got to give them something special, you know? And I mean, honestly, I feel like you've done that give them something special, you know, and I mean, you know, honestly, I Feel like you've done that right, you know, I don't think you know that you will Cut out to be the smooth dude. You will cut out to be what you are exact and you wear it. Well Then we have it. Well, thank you. You know, I'm saying let's make some noise for me. Can you make some noise for me?

Yo, yo twin you over here listen you you you wait you your twin you coming look Listen, I'm sure you was made of a Big Daddy Kane record This is my man 20 as a fatal accident, but he's good. Not fatal, excuse me. Sorry. You know who Big Daddy came? God damn it. You can sell some love to Big Daddy King. Look, he got us Pop and Dog. Hurry on, twin. He got us Pop and Dog.

Hurry on. Yeah, come get a glass, and that's about it. You only get one. That's going to keep you moving. You sound like Tiger Ball. Hold on. Big Daddy King, take a second shot. Take a shot of that dog. Let's not advance that.

No, but seriously, I don't know who, like, who really, like, go to movies and, like, really focus on scenes that deep. But, I mean, you know, when I was watching Paid in Full, I'm watching a lot of the people that had little cameos and little spots in there. And, I mean, like, yo, that scene with you, yo. I mean. I made it all up. Yeah, but the whole thing is that you stayed focused and you made your presence felt. You know what I'm saying? You didn't just fall back and just be a part of the script.

No, no, no. You made your presence felt. You know what I'm saying? You came across on camera great, man. Like, yeah, I'd love to see more shit like that, man. Now, speaking of movies, you did the Posse movie. How was that experience?

But that was like, that was like when we know, we thought like, damn, Kane never coming back. That was like a Hollywood all-star cast. That was an all-star cast. You're looking like Kane never coming back. Like, to the hood. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.'s like you know

i enjoy doing it it was the type of work that i wanted to do because i didn't want to be on the big screen being a rapper or being a thug because i mean you know you didn't see me do that in a video you don't know it's like that's the music life you know saying if we act and then let's act you know saying let me let me do something out of character from who you are like yeah It's like, that's the music life. You know what I'm saying? If we act, then let's act. You know what I'm saying? Let me do something out of character. Separate yourself from who you are. Yeah. So having to speak in a period voice and ride horses, I mean, I thought that that was beautiful.

And I mean, I enjoyed that opportunity. Big ups, much respects to Mario Van Peeble for giving me the shot. You know what I'm saying? But I'll tell you one thing, though. That shit was a culture shock like never before. What you mean by that? Hollywood? I mean, oh. Oh, the set. Oh, the set life.

Like, you know, I mean, where you from? Miami. Miami. By way of L.A. Okay, well. Queens. So just like Brooklyn, you know. what we see on a day-to-day basis is cat, rat, dog. Right, right. We come out of the house, that's wildlife for us. Right, right, right.

You know what I'm saying? Yes. You know, you see a cat and a dog in the daytime, you see the rats come out. Right, right. That's what we see. You know what I'm saying? Honorable mention to the roaches. That's really, you know, the extent of it.

Brother, I'm out there messing with tarantulas. Scorpions. Where y'all film this at? Tucson, Arizona. Oh, I'm in the desert. I filmed a horror movie in Tucson, Arizona. It's terrible. I get my head cut off, I fuck, and I die.

I'm the black guy. I fuck, and I die. Tucson, Boston. Kill them. I die. I'm the black guy. I fuck and I die. I kill him. I'm 10 minutes in, that's it. I'm out of the movie. I'm sorry, King. I had a moment. But yeah, that's what it is. Woodpeckers. Snakes.

Bruh, let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time, like, yo. You had woodpeckers out there? You had Woody Woodpecker and them niggas? My dude, carving on my door every morning 5 a.m and my dumb ass getting there opening it up thinking somebody knocking real talk woodpecker on schedule every morning real talk.

Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me one time about, you know, like, yo, why you never make, like, no gangster shit, man? And I was like, you know, because I mean... Gangster films they took them out? Nah, they took my gangster records. I never did no gangster shit, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I spit hard lyrics, but not no gangster shit.

I felt like this shit was gangster to me. Nah, nah, nah. It was hardcore, but not gangster. But I mean, you know, I explained to him. I said, well, for one reason, there's a PA girl that worked on the posse set that could pull my card real easy and let anybody know that ain't nothing, that that shit ain't true. Because when we was filming, one day we coming off set, my dude, like the people they over there like telling us to go like this, to walk another way, they whispering, and I can't, you know,

I couldn't understand what they saying, this is going on for a few minutes. Long story short, I couldn't take it no more, I'm just like, yo, what? And they said, Rattler. So I just took flight right now listen I'm running but I'm a man but I'm a man I got funky yeah the PA girl caught up with me and grabbed my wrist like this no saver and I my wrist, like, you know, save her. And I mean, you know, my dude, you know.

Yo, I mean, I remember being at a party in Brooklyn where I took a chick and threw her in the speaker while they shooting inside the club. And I'm standing out there, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, the gun, that stuff don't bother me. You know what I'm saying? The snake is a different thing. Yeah.

So when she grabbed my wrist, I started punching the shit out of her because she was slowing me down. You know what I'm saying? She was slowing me down. So I started punching the shit out of her hand, you know, to get it over with me. So yeah, I make the gangsta stuff fake for me. That's how we got to the news. Now, because we heard stories that you being with like Supreme Magnetic, Puerto Rican Supreme from Brooklyn.

That's my dude. Yeah. So we always heard those stories. So we always automatically thought it was just you. That's not, you're saying that's not? Never at all? Nah, you have them videos. I was convinced, okay?

You can't take it back now. I mean, I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy, you know? I'm a nice guy. That drink red wine. Yeah, you know. And finger pop Madonna. Let's make some noise for that.

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I'm putting that in my house. I'm not going to lie. I said, yo, we're interviewing Kane. Like 50,000 of these bitches came through. And then they was like, and I was debating. I was like, that's not Madonna. I thought you and Madonna did a separate photo shoot. I didn't know Naomi Campbell was in it. Naomi Campbell. So how did you not get hard in the photo shoot?

Like, I would have been awesome. How do you know? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You was already, like, trained. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, at a certain point in your life, you just get an understanding about certain things and you just I guess look at life differently Yeah, because she got laid straight open All the professional shit like holy moly guacamole, I'm just keeping it real okay I mean it's like this, you know. I'm a Madonna fan, you know what I'm saying? You know, borderline physical attraction, all them joints, you know.

I remember, you know, rocking and watching the videos on Friday night videos, you know. And she's a very attractive young lady, you know. And, you know, Naomi Campbell, you know, she's fine too. But, I mean, you know, at some point in your life after you done did so much, you know, and, you know, your mentality get a certain way, you know, she's fine too. But, I mean, you know, at some point in your life, after you done did so much, you know, and, you know, your mentality get a certain way, you know, sometimes you just come to the realization that, you know, the best pussy you ever had is the pussy you never had.

And it's so much more fun just thinking about it. Damn, that's true for God, man. That shit. He gave me another Caesar just now That shit was so over my head And sharp and deep No I mean Let me break it down to you

Okay cool Have you ever In your life Begged a fine chick That was I mean Built amazing Got her back to the hotel Dodo bird Yeah whack Yeah You know what back to the hotel. Dodo bird.

Yeah, whack. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Just whack. Dodo bird. You know? Like, giving you them crazy psychotic looks or can't do doggy style or, you know, just everything just going wrong. You know what I'm saying?

You're saying just don't ruin it. No, no, no. What I'm trying to say is that it was more exciting when you were thinking about it. That's what I'm saying. Don't ruin it by trying to bag it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Exactly. What's your illest groupie story, Kane? Did the bitch wait outside your door with milk? For some reason, I just feel like that just happened. My illest groupie story? A chick just came, wait outside your door with milk. Like Poodie Tang. You never seen illest groupies, a chick just can't wait outside to do what he want. Like Poodie Tang, you never seen that? Like, cause Kang, Kang, you was there.

I guess my illest one would probably be, um, um, uh, let me see, oh yeah, probably the LL tour, the same one. The Nitro tour. Just look. Yeah, the Nitro tour. But on tour with LL, he gives out flowers. The Rose is the bitch. He's cheating. Wow. That's about giving out roses. No.

I'm just saying. If you ain't giving out roses, you're coming after that. You're like, what the fuck are you here for? No, no, no. That's fair game. This nigga just gave me a rose. That's fair game. I mean, that might have been what messed me up that night.

Who knows? All right, let's talk about it, King. I mean, no, because, I mean, it was like Russell Simmons actually introduced me to this chick. And, you know, she came back to the hotel. And me and Russell, and I think me, Russell, and Andre Harrell, I believe, we was by the bar. And she came in, and LL was over there signing autographs. And she went to L.

No, I'm not telling this story. Kane, I don't know how many listeners there are. We have 2.5 listeners. Yeah, we got two and a half listeners, and they all in this room. Don't worry about it, Kane. Nobody's going to hear this. Come on. Everybody give. We got two and a half listeners. And they all in this room. Don't worry about it.

Nobody going to hear this. Come on. Oh, man. Everybody give us unreleased shit. Everybody give us good. Nah, but, okay. She went to Elle, you know. Changing names.

I seen them. They chopping it up. Oh, it's too late now. They chopping it up or whatever. And I got seen Elle like pinch her cheek or something like that. And then she walked over to the bar to me. Now, my problem with that was, Did you have a can go on?

Nah, my problem was that, it's like this here. You supposed to come meet me at the room. So after Elle shot you down, you supposed to go to the elevator. For you to come to the bar, that lets me know that you saw me all this goddamn time. You know what I'm saying? And just choosing in front of me. You know, okay, so it's like, all this goddamn time. You know what I'm saying? And just choosing in front of me.

You know, okay, so it's like, all right, cool. So we get upstairs, you know, we get it popping. And, you know, I'm into what I'm doing. And, you know, I mean, it turned into, you know, one of them type of things where, you know, I decided to get my R. Kelly on, you know. And, you know, I'm sorry to get my R Kelly on, you know. And on. It's B.B.

Let's go. Go to the shower. Let's go. You pee on the bed? I mean. It just felt good. You had to go. I got to pee right now.

So I don't know how you don't mind. I think this is the only explanation for the R. Kelly. Let's just make some noise for P.M. I'm assuming she liked it. I'm assuming she liked it. You know, I mean, it's like, you know, when I was young, man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man. Crazy stuff, man. You know, when I was young, man, I did a whole bunch of wild stuff, man, crazy stuff, man. You know, I mean, there's even been situations where, like, several people I had to go back and, you know, not had to, just felt, just wanted to. You know, I went back and, like, apologized for a lot of crazy stuff I did, you know. Because, you know, I'm 49 now.

I'm married. God bless you. You know, and, I mean, I love my life. I love my family. And, you know, it's like, you know, I just look at things differently now. That's why we reflected on old shit. Yeah, you live and you learn. You know, back then, you know, I was buck wild. You were back then, you knocked some shit down, Kane. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was a little nigga. You was the man in 88. I was born in 77. That means, like,

roughly, like, I was 9 or 10. Woo! I was on Ralphie Daniels every day. I seen you. I said, damn, man, he had the four-finger ring. Woo! The four-finger ring. How you finger pop with a four-finger ring back then? It's an expensive finger pop. It wasn't. It wasn't. I don't think I ever tried that, man. No, because, you know, let me tell you something, because finger popping was, like, in style back then.

Like, niggas didn't even want to, you wanted to dry hump and finger pop. I'm just saying because I was like 10. I don't know, I don't know. How old were you, man? What? I was probably like 13. And 88? Yeah.

I don't know. Dre, how old were we? How old were we, dad? 12. You was 12? 12, no, we're the same age. You're only one year younger than me, brother. Nah, you're like two years older.

Not at all. You're 43. 42. than me, brother. Ah, you're like two years older. Not at all. You're 43. 42. All right, I'm 40. Yeah, you're 43. Okay, two years. Okay, cool. Yeah, all right, goddamn it.

We lost our track. What the fuck? Butcher Rock is calling me? Hold on. Butcher Rock wants to talk about finger popping. Yeah, finger popping is still popping. Pick up the Capone. What the fuck? No, he, yo, listen, back in the days, Capone. What the fuck?

No, he, yo, listen, back in the days, Capone used to finger pop everything. Like,

I never knew what you got out of it. Where you going with this? You know what I'm saying? Back in the days, this is like, uh, 97,

like, he used to go to the club and just, he wants to finger pop a bitch. Like, I never really got, like, like,

I get, like, in a moment, like, I'm finger popping you right before I fuck wait Like he would bring a pop in public Take Paul stay away from me. I'm sorry. A little finger pop, it brings back memories. I'm sorry. All right, damn, I got notes.

Now, hold on, can we go back to Biggie, Tupac, coming out on stage with you? Your relationship with Pac. Right. And Big, can you talk about that? Let's go Pac first. Yeah. Well, I've known Pac since he danced for Digital.

Right. That's how we first first met when I brought Digital. On the road? Yeah, on my Chocolate City tour. And we got cool there, and he told me that, you know, he coming out with his own stuff as a solo artist, and he told me, you know, it's not going to be like this digital stuff. You know, I've got a whole different direction. And he spit for me, and, you know, it's not going to be like this digital stuff. You know, I've got a whole different direction. He spit for me, and, you know, dude was nice.

So I've known him since then. Biggie, on the other hand, I never really had a relationship with. We've been around each other, I think, maybe like twice. But there were several phone calls that we had. I guess, like, certain career decisions that he was making, and Mr. C would call with him on the line, and we'd chop it up, and he'd tell me what's going on.

I guess he'd ask me what do I think, my view on it or whatever. So that's really our relationship over the phone. We never really kicked it. But I've always respected both of them, admired them as artists, and just looked at their deaths as sad losses for hip-hop and the world. During their, when they were going, the rivalry part, did you speak to any of them, like Tupac?

I spoke to Tupac, but it was brief, and it was kind of interrupted by more East Coast, West Coast drama. Because it was like a conversation we started on an airplane, and by the time we got to Defro's studio, you know, somebody presented him with some more drama about they was trying to sign you wasn't death row trying yeah yeah this was that time this was that time yeah this is that time you know we was talking about it i guess i was trying to you know make them understand you know what it was and it seemed like I was getting through but then you know as

soon as we got to the studio here come cats talking about yo mom deep and on Lauryn Hill was just was on the on at the MTV you're on TV after something that they was trying to play you they were saying something such and you know they fueled it up back right it back up again and you in that studio yeah yeah damn can you got so much goddamn history. We definitely need a Big Daddy Kane day. All right? September 10th.

Let's do it. Declaring it on Drake Chats right now. I think we can make it happen. September 10th is Big Daddy Kane day. You just got to cut your eyebrows. Come outside. If you can pull out the high top do it pull out the hot top guy you do your barber gotta be nice though your barber gotta be nice this

you can't have it can I think I'm on the flat top right now and this all these kids is doing it yeah I see they ain't doing the cane flat top no some of them are I mean I'll say they don't call it cane though they I guess whoever the only I think is a popular basketball player that they reference it to now. I forget who, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, kids didn't care. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, you know that's how it would go. I mean, I have a picture in my house of my pops with one in the 60s. You know what I'm saying? And I thought Larry Blackmon created it. You know what I mean? This is all engineer cocaine has. I just want to throw that out there. Default.

In the 80s, was cocaine heavy in the 80s? In hip-hop. In hip-hop and hip-hop specifically studio 54 we heard um i mean i remember it being like you know um heavy around the hood like in the early 80s matter of fact late 70s early 80s i remember it because doing coke was like fly back to exactly like it was yeah it was a luxury drug yeah but i mean like the first time i was like really around it around it it was in the 90s like i had a party and somebody was doing it at the party you know it was the first time i was really around it around it you know how they was doing it there's at the party just whatever nigga why i got that sniffing it up um nah um they asked could

they use on one of the bedrooms because he was having mansion parties and you know something like that but i mean you know i told him you know go ahead but then you know what happened was they switched rooms and went to the wrong wrong room so when i came in there to tell them to leave out of this room, you know, I seen they had a little, you know, little shit on the dresser, whatever, you know, but I mean, but that was my first time

like being around it like that, you know. So what's the best time in hip-hop to came? What's the most fun you ever had while you was... I mean, honestly... Was it the finger pop? I feel like the finger pop. It gotta be top three.

I'm just saying, like saying I'm gonna be honest I think his fingers Still smell like Madonna Just throwing it out there Go ahead Nah I mean honestly I mean My best

Time in hip hop Was probably Mid to late 80s You know Because You had like you know So many different artists When nobody really Sounded the same Nobody sounded the same because you had like, you know, so many different artists when nobody really

sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same. Nobody sounded the same. At least they didn't try to. You know, yeah. And then there was a couple of copycats, but they just all got checked.

It never worked. You had to be creative. And then when you go to a party, you know, the most thugged out dudes you know would dance when Ghost Tesla, come on,

Rebel Without a Pause, Top Billing, you know what i'm saying brooklyn's in the house when those type of songs came on he danced milk is chilling yeah and this is the most the most If you understood I'm a cold man You know I already did that on my album too With Milk D I mean yeah it's like you know So it's like I just love that era of hip hop Because it's like you know Prior to that was You know the Run DMC

Houdini Furious 5 You know like that era But you know it's like I don't think that that era was like as lyrical

as the late 80s and don't get me wrong Melly Mel Kumo D Grandmaster Kaz those were lyrical beasts but I mean it was like

it wasn't where like radio and fans like the hip hop fans like was really focused on the lyrics like that, like they were in the late 80s. Like where, you know, you whack, we don't even want to listen to you. You know what I'm saying? But how did those guys accept you back then? That was an interesting point that you just broke up. You named all the legends that came before you. Like right now, we're dealing with a time

that these young guys are the guys. They're all the guys. They are the chosen ones for now. Right. But they actually look down on my generation. You know what I'm saying? So how was it for you when you was the guy? Was the people prior to you looking down on you guys, in your opinion?

Well, I mean, you know, of Melly Mel, yeah, yeah. Melly Mel was in the beginning. But then we ended up becoming real cool. Okay. Because of Melly Mel, just seeing him again. But, I mean, you know, it's like, you know, with Mel, you got to understand that and respect it. Right, because he feels like he kind of pioneered it. I mean, it's not about him feeling that way.

He did. He did. You know, I mean, what Hollywood created, Mel E. Mel perfected. You know what I'm saying? If there wasn't a Melly Mel, me, you, and everybody else would have been on the mic, you know, come on. You know what I'm saying? Melly Mel perfected emceeing. He made it what it is.

You know what I'm saying? He is the architect of emceeing. Melly Mel. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, you got to understand for him to not really get his, you know,

proper respect. Of course, he's going to be bitter. So it's understandable. Big up Melly Mel over here on Drink Chance. We big up Melly Mel. We need Melly Mel

on Drink Chance. No, no, no. I just see, I went to Mass Appeal and I think they hired Melly Mel to perform for their staff and it was out. It was crazy for me to see him. He go and he still, you know, the hip, the high, he still do that and destroys it. And he'll take it to different generations. He'll sing other people's records. It was amazing. Nah, forget that. With them tight pants on, he still do all that leg crossing stuff and drop down on the floor and go, rah! Hold that. That's the realest thing. Like, Mel, Mel, yeah,

Mel. And he in shape too. He not gonna get the fuck out. Yeah, yeah, Mel. Yeah, Mel will not get the fuck out. But I mean, yeah, Mel, you know, but like, Moe D, I guess Moe D thing was pretty much more personal with him and LL. So when me and him met, you know, but like Moe D, I guess Moe D thing was pretty much more personal with him and LL. So when me and him met, you know, we broke bread and we was cool. And with me and Grandmaster Kaz, it was the type of thing where, you know, I let Kaz know that I'm a student of him.

That everything I do lyrically, I owe to him. I don't think Kaz gets enough recognition, actually, to be honest with you. Kaz is so incredible. Like, I mean, when, okay, yeah, and then go back to one of the first question you asked me Tony T when I was first started my name was Tony T like I thought I was killing it I had something like I'm the T-O-N-Y the T-E-E your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see I know the tricks and I know the trades and I'm sharp as a motherfucking razor blade. I thought I was killing it. And then my man played this joint for me and Kaz was on there talking about Grandmaster Kaz, Captain of the Four. Another nigga couldn't touch me if he had a rhyme store.

Even if he had a plant manufacturing rhymes, he couldn't make them no better than I make mine. I'm like, you know what? I ripped my whole notebook up and started my life over, you dig? For real. Hold on one second. I got to pee. I'm after you. Go ahead.

I'm after you. Is it a break right now? No, no, no. I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you. This is what I want to know. What the fuck were y'all drinking in Brooklyn that y'all were spitting, the cadence that y'all were spitting?

Like, I'm in Miami, and now when we reflect back, y'all was doing double time ahead of that being the trend. Well, that really started in Harlem with Mo D. Really? Yeah. Okay. That really started in Harlem with Mo D. I'm the super-duper, make the money, make it real quick.

I forget how the rhyme goes That real fast With Mo D And Harlem But I mean It's like In Brooklyn, I think that the whole cadence And everything that you hear from a lot of

Brooklyn MCs, speaking of myself Jay-Z, Biggie Fabulous. It's that pimp shit. Because it's like, just the way we view stuff. Like you, like Master D having a party. You know? Like, you know Master D jamming.

You know, you're going to get your you know your v-neck sweater you know you know your double neck v-neck joint your mock neck to throw up under it you know some jeans with the permanent crease and your um British walkers and you know your British walkers and like you know that was that player shit that we wore like you know like that's that's how we come into a party that That's like a hip-hop party. You know what I'm saying? So it was like that type of thing where it's like, you know,

we looked up to the dudes that's talking shit in the barbershop or in the pool hall, the pimps on the corner. So it was that type of slick lingo that we appreciated and respected. You know what I'm saying? It was like that type of lingo.

And I think that That's what really defined A lot of Brooklyn MCs And made them a lot different Than other you know Artists from different boroughs You know Straight up Now speaking about that

I sent you a couple of Players balls Back then What the fuck was me doing In the players ball I thought I was a pimp for a week Now you done tried to You done tried to get me to admit to being a gangster.

So, how you think this going to work out for you? I'm just saying. No, good luck. We did see each other at the players' balls. I enjoyed your company. Yeah, yeah. And we was drinking champagne there, too, wasn't we? Yes, sir. So, like, how is Kane just connected to all these worlds, like, in the most respectful way?

Like, you're just connected to the illest shit. I mean, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, I move around. I'm a, I guess what you can call a soul searcher you know what i'm saying i mean i i can i can i can vibe off of energy man you know what i'm saying and i love positive energy i love positive you know positive energy might be in a room full of pimps with loud ass suits on. But they in there

buying each other champagne, talking shit to each other, having a good time, you know. I agree. It might be that type of situation. I agree. It might be a function

that a bunch of women are having where they're talking about how women can become leaders and have higher positions in jobs. And it's a bunch of black women just talking about that, trying to build something positive. You know, but I just I love positive energy, man. I love it, man. I'm not going to lie. I know exactly what you mean, because I was never a pimp, but I took a liking to Juju. I took a liking to Pimp McKinnon. I took a liking to Bishop.

I took a liking to all of them, and they took a liking to me. So they would invite me to these events, and I would come. So one day, I just actually tried to actually be a punk. Like so I actually had my gold cup and I went to this white girl and said, bitch choose, and she said, I'll choose you. I said, oh shit, I didn't. I had no idea what to do after that. And then everybody, all the perm niggas is like, yo, Normie, send it to me.

I'm like, relax. I know she done chose. I know I'm supposed to do something. I had absolutely nothing to do. I had to see Joe Buck. You know, I'm on the road. I'm doing 50 nights, you know. But, yeah, so my pimp career didn't last.

You went to your pimp career? Yeah, it didn't last a long time. No, because I used to go to the players' ball. They gave me the players' card. You had to be a real player go to the players' ball. They gave me the players' card. You had to be a real player to get a players' card. Did you have a players' card with the gold players' card? With the green letters, yeah. With the green letters? Look at that.

Look at that. Look at that, yeah. Look, I ain't going to lie. A little while ago, they went to get my card back. I was like, yo, look, I'm not really a... But they accepted me. So I respected the culture. Pim and Ken. No, a lot of them dudes is cool dudes. Juju. Juju, but they accepted me. So I respected the culture. Pim and Ken.

No, a lot of them dudes is cool dudes. Juju. Juju, Juju, yeah. Juju's a real, real good dude, man. Him and Good Game. Good Game. I'm going to say Good Time. Good Game, yeah.

Good Game home or Good Game still locked up? I don't think so. I think he's still down. Okay, wow. I could be wrong, but I think he's still down. But yeah, I don't know if you've met Kenny Red from Vegas. Kenny Red, of course. Yeah, yeah.

A lot of them dudes, they're real good dudes, man. You know, Bishop, that's my dude. Yeah, great guy. Funny as hell. But I mean, yeah, there was a time in my life where I had to really sit and reflect on something that he told me. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's know I have the utmost respect for Bishop you know yeah yeah so um what it was uh nothing like came pimping on that okay

I'll move on I got the answer, okay? I got to relax. I got to relax. Okay, now, all right, back in the days. This is before you met your wife, right? Uh-huh. I heard you smashed a female cop at a concert. Is that true? Again, you're limo? That's what I'm saying. This is people's business.

This is the internet system. This is the internet. You was at a concert. Female pulled you over. You pulled over. That's a lie, man. That's a lie? That's never happened. But you was in a concert. Female pulled you over. You pulled over. That's a lie, man. That's a lie? That's never happened.

OK, all right. Cool. I got it. It was at an autograph signing. That's awesome. Oh, my God, man. Yo, so do you look at your life? And my new EP is, I want to title it, My God, man. Yo, so do you look at your life? And, like, my new EP is, I want to title it My Life Dope.

Do you ever look at your life and be like, yo, my life, like the shit that you accomplished, like coming from nowhere and just say, the shit I did is just dope. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy. I mean, to be honest with you, it's the final chapter that makes me happy. Okay.

You know, because, I mean, it's like, you know, when I was younger, I did a lot of crazy stuff, and it was fun, you know, for the moment. Right. You know, but then after a while, you know, like how we were saying the thing about, you know, for the moment. Right. You know, but then after a while, you know, like how we were saying the thing about, you know, the best is the best, you know, I never had, you know, like how we were saying that, I mean, it's like, you know,

it was fun for the moment, then it get boring. But now, you know what I'm saying, being able to wake up, you know, I got a four-year-old that be having me on the floor playing with Transformer dolls. You got Transformers still, K? My four-year-old. They got new joints. I didn't know they got Transformers still. I thought it was Pokemon and shit like that.

No, no, no. I'm on the floor playing with Transformers with my four-year-old and all Avengers characters and you know doing stuff like that and you know you know my wife talking to me about dinner and Showing me stuff online that you want to order for the house and like this stuff. I mean, you know It's like that's the thing that you know, I mean that you want to That's that's that's that's that's that's not what I wanted that's how I want to live you know you know these final days out I want to live them out like that I dig that final days came because you gonna

live forever that's what we predicted on drink champs that's what I mean I want to sit on a song I may die one day with my rise will remain like a high so yeah I know I know I'm here eternally. I'm just saying that you know, I'm just saying they said flesh You know for however long you see a flesh, you know a lot of will and you know You go to Costco's Executive member But you got Goss comes Costco's Are there any Big Daddy Kane regrets What you got, Goscles? Goscles, he understood what I'm saying. He know I'm dyslexic. Can't even fucking work with you.

Are there any Big Daddy Kane regrets? Probably that I didn't fuck Madonna. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I regret it for you. That's exactly my regret. Yeah, I don't know.

But I mean, I know, I mean, you know, it's like this here. It's like the equation, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's like, you know, when you looking at that, what the answer is, you know, that's what's important. And what the answer is is what my life is now. And whatever it took to get it to where it is now i don't know it was all worth it having regrets might change or alter something right and i may not have the family i have so no i'm not gonna you know i'm not gonna you know say that i have

regrets when you was at the top, because very people can see, like I've had success in hip-hop, but I've never had the type of success that you had, like being the only guy at that top at that minute. And then you have people who follow like a Big, a Jay, a Nas, or whatever. But I've always been like a step behind you guys. Like, was it overwhelming when you was just out there

and everybody, I can't imagine how much your people was ringing, because there probably wasn't phones back then. Was it ever overwhelming where you were just like, damn, like you asked for it, you got it, and then you were just like, damn. Was it ever like that or no? Well, I mean, because I'm a private person. You know, it's like with me, I like to come around people, spread love, and then go to the comfort of my home. Right.

You know? Have you been like that since then? Yeah, since then. I mean, I go around the way, sit out on Lewis and Van Buren, or go to my peeps crib in Brevoort Projects, you know, other people over in Brookline, or in Canarsie, hang out, you know, buy like a half a gallon of Hennessy, you know, get them maybe like about two ounces of weed, you know, and let them do what they do,

and sit out their chill with them, you know, cast it, want it to flow a little, you know, we get a little cypher going, spit something, whatever, you know. And I mean, you know, I might have a little little, you know, we get a little cypher going, spit something, whatever, you know, and I mean, you know, I might have, you know, a little sip, you know, but it's like, you know, I'm just watching them enjoy they self, you know what I'm saying, because these is brothers that I respect and they still in the hood trying to, you know, come up, I want to inspire them, you know what I'm saying, you know, to stay focused, you know what I'm saying, keep chasing that dream, and I take my ass home, and then yeah, then I break open my fifth of Remy.

You know what I'm saying? And you know, I sit back and I listen to my motherfucking Otis Redding or David Ruffin, you know, the stuff. I'm out there rocking some hip-hop with them. I come home, I'm throwing some David Ruffin, Otis Redding, some more smooth stuff, and just lay back and I'm chilling now. I'm good now.

This is my life, you know? Now you had a record with Tupac and MC Hammer, correct? Yeah. Well, there was one with me, Pac, and Hammer,

and then there was just one with just me and Pac. And the one with you and Pac is called... Wherever You Are. Yep. And Hammer was Too Late Player.

Too Late, yep. Yeah, he was the junior joint, Too Late, yeah, yeah. So, so, so. That's crazy. So, all right, that pop, right, that pop that you knew back then, because you just said earlier, you was like, you knew pop from running with Those records are pre-Death Row pop.

Those songs all happened that same night I'm telling you about at Death Row Studio. In L.A.? That same night. Also, this is when Hammer was signed to Death Row, too. Yeah, this is all that same night I'm telling you about it definitely in LA that same night also so the hammer was signed to death row too yeah this is all the same night underground pop would it turn into the death row pop no crazy you gotta understand it's like pop spit for me and when he spit for me I saw that he had lyrics and I saw where he was going with it the revolutionary side of pop yeah i saw that you know what i'm saying but i mean you know it's like i

didn't know exactly where he was going to go with it right you know i mean it's like you know you see he spit for me and then you know like you know three hours later you know you know he's on this you know stage doing the Humpty dance with with arm underground something I don't really know where he gonna go you can't because he's dancing with his an underground I don't know what the lyrics like to like to see him he kick in some produce you like for example like my dance at Scoob and Scrap. To try to imagine Scoob or Scrap doing the same thing I did would be a difficult sight because

they've already been seen as Scoob and Scrap. You see what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying. It's like I didn't know how the public would perceive it. And that day when you brung big and popped both on your stage. Isn't Sco know what I'm saying? Right. And that day when you brought Big and Pac both

on your stage. Isn't Scoob on the stage too? Yeah. Yeah. Ryman? Yeah. But did you know

those two guys would turn into the people they turn into or you did? Well, at that point, Pac was already on his way. You know

Big was an up and comer Yeah Cause it was What happened was C called me and said Yo Mr. C Which is really how we all

Like in Miami How we heard This freestyle He put on a mixtape And we all heard it around the world Well I mean The reason why anybody heard it Is because of Mr. C

Because he was smart enough to record the show that night. Right. We was on the Budweiser Superfest. Yeah, the Budweiser Superfest. You know what I'm saying? We were on the Budweiser Superfest. Madison Square Garden.

Every night, we on stage with Patti LaBelle, Jevil LaVert, MC Lyte, Silk. I mean, it's a lot of,

I think BBD, a lot of major artists every night. But that particular night, C decided to record. That's crazy. He hadn't recorded none of them other ones. He recorded that night. So the rest of the world heard it thanks to Mr. C.

Matter of fact, let's give Mr. C a hand. And it's on vinyl. I got it on vinyl too. You got it on vinyl? Look at that. Take it. Put it on vinyl. He called me and was like, yo, Big want to come. And he was wondering if, you know, no, matter of fact, all he said was Big want to come. That's all he wanted.

He said Big want to come. And I was like, all right, cool. Then he hit me back and said, yo. Did Big have a record, though? Yeah. He may have had. Party and Bullshit? Party and Bullshit.

He may have had that. Yeah. But then he hit me back and said, yo, Tupac is in town filming a basketball movie. Above the Rim. Above the Rim, yeah. But I don't think he knew the name. I think he said he filmed this basketball movie. Right.

And he wanted to bring him with him. And, you know, me with my battle mind state, I'm like, yeah, bring him. Bring him. Because you want to battle them? Well, I mean, it was like, you know, Pop was hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pop was hot. He was not personal. I mean, I love him. Right. This was the brother that came to Pop was hot. Pop was hot. It was nothing personal.

I mean, I love him. Right. This was the brother that came to me in the beginning of his career. Right. So I had nothing but love for him. But this is hip-hop. All right. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, you know, yeah, yeah, bring him. Bring him. You're going to burn him down. So that was, you know, where my mind state was. So when they got there, you know, they just came to believe in this. And I told them, you know, yo, you know, y'all want to get on? So that's really where my mind state was, you know. Right. And, I mean, who would have known that it would have turned into what it turned into.

Right. You know, because. So when you see that beef transpire, because you know the night that you just had. This was at the Garden, correct? Yeah. The Budweiser Fest was at the Garden. So you know the night that you just had this is at the garden correct the barbershop that was at the garden so you know that night that you just had you just had them both on stage with you actually and then you hear about this this beef you ever thought it would have went this far I mean you know it's like I did And let me give you a two-part question. I'm sorry.

Do you ever think it went this far? And then not only that, did you ever try to interject? Like, just try to, like... Well, I told you, I tried to interject on the plane from... We was going from Vegas to LA

with Pac to try to explain that. And it got interrupted with more shit. Yeah. But, I mean, it's like like i didn't think it would go this far i mean i was surprised yeah you know because i mean it's like that battle on record you understand here's where i'm from okay i'm aware of you know artists battling at parties going against each other and they gotta ride on the same train home wow you know what artists battling at parties going against each other and they got to ride

on the same train home. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Wow. This is the type of shit I've seen. You know what I'm saying? I mean,

Cold Crush battling fantastic. Busy B and Kumo D. LL and Kumo D. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've seen MC Shannon and KRS-One. You've seen them

battling and then riding the same train? No, no, no. I mean, I'm talking about that's something separate. I'm just saying all theseOne. You've seen them battling and then running away again? No, no, no. I mean, I know. I'm talking about... That's something separate. I'm just saying, all these other battles I've seen,

it was just battling, emceeing. You know? I mean, like, me and MC Shan on the same label. And him and KRS-One battling each other.

And you and KRS-One... KRS-One, Miss Melody, helped me move out of my mother's crib. Wow. When I first moved out of my parents' and my own spot, KRS-One battling each other. And you were KRS-Co. KRS-One, Miss Melody, helped me move out of my mother's crib. Wow. When I first moved out of my parents' into my own spot, KRS-One and Miss Melody helped me move out. Wow.

You made an appearance in the self-destruction video? Yeah. Which is KRS-One, Miss Melody, they put that all together. I mean, I was supposed to be on the song, but apparently I was lied to. You know?

Yeah, somebody told me that i guess the day it was recording was a day that i had a show or something like that i can't remember and they told me that was the only day that i could record vocals damn yeah but i found out way later that you know i think maybe chuck d and somebody else have recorded their vocals on another day but they told me they all not even caught everything that day so I'll just you know I just assumed I was shit I ain't gonna make it so you know it is what it is but I would have loved to been on that song imagine self-destruction yeah that for self-destruction Woo Jeez Louise, Papa Cheese

Well, yeah, but I mean, back to what we're saying I mean, it's like, you know With all I saw, you know, in my lifetime When it came to MC And also, you know, with me, you know I mean, this is something I've been doing since 1982 Just going to different people's hoods Battling them

Yo, who your best MC over here? You know You know? You around? Yeah, let me holler at them. You know? This is what I've been doing since 1982 until I got a deal. You see what I'm saying? So it's like, this is an understanding that I have.

Like, you know, this is hip hop. This is what we do. So to Biggie and Pac, to see what they went through i'm like yeah because that that got to be crazy from you coming from a battle state and seeing and then but you had to feel different from hearing um tupac's hit him up that was a different type of disrep disrep you it had to be to you too absolutely because um i'm born in 77 so like young generation is like just right before mine's right so i've heard the battle shit but it was never like when tupac took it there would hit him up like hit him up was like this was something like yeah he went at his wife he went at it it's just everything that he said this was something like he went at his wife

whenever he would it's just everything that he said it was just like there's no coming back from this you agree that's oh no you ain't never seen I'm not gonna say this records worse than I'm not gonna say that there's no coming back because if you understand the art of war, there's always a way back. Right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't know what Biggie mentality was like back then, but if you understand the art of war, there's always a way back.

You know? I mean, Ali beat George Foreman when nobody else could. Facts. You know what I'm saying? Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. I think he meant there's no way back after, for Pac. Yeah, like Pac crossed the line. Oh, you talking about Pac?

Yeah, he talking about Pac crossed the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's no way, there's no back to Pac. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, there's no way for them to. Okay, my apologies. Yeah, that's what he meant. That was a squashy.

Because, like, I mean, up until then, we didn't hear diss records like that. We heard diss records like, yo, your girl is ugly I know we didn't know yeah we didn't hear like motherfucker well then I mean it's like this then didn't you know I'm gonna stand fuck it y'all just can't be friends no more right y'all just can't be friends no more. But now your question is this. You know what I'm saying? Right. You ready to take it there? Right. Or you want to reply?

The choice is yours. You know? Now, if you're ready to take it there, then the battle's over. It's some street shit now. It's a context. If you're ready to take it there, the battle's over. It's some street shit now. So you're saying if y'all was battling and then y'all start fighting then that's it the battles over They got to keep it on the streets back then

I mean, it's like this here if you feel like somebody violated your family, you know, so I'll just respect your family away You know say and and you ready to take it there then I mean, what's the purpose of balance? Just just go ahead go where you got to go with this, you know If that's what you choose. Or if you choose to respond and violate him lyrically. You know?

I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, the choice is yours. I mean, it's like, I can't really speak on it or say, you know, what it should have been because this is what Pac said about Big. This is not what Pac said about me.

Right. There was obviously more things at play with that beef that we don't really get. My thing is this, man, besides all that. At the end of the day, had Puff and Suge sat down and had a meeting on some Don King, Bob Arum

shit, they could have said, listen, we're going to charge Wook D. Woo for pay-per-view. Yep. And we're going to let them go three songs apiece.

I'm going to keep it real with you, King. Oh, come on. Give me a second. We're going to let them go three songs apiece. Then after the third song, we'll let them go two rounds of battle rap. and we're going to have people judge, call in the judge, and we'll control the 1-800 or 1-900, whatever number,

to get money off of that. And they both could have got, I mean, all four of them could have got filthy. All four of them meaning Pac, Big, Sugar, Puff. You know what I'm saying? That's the way that shit should have been done I mean you know said turn it into some real hip-hop shit make it you know something you can make money off some of balance that's how I should have been done in my opinion right like the MC Shan KRS like they was going on tour at one point Shannon care well you know that was brought about

because of the Sprite commercial right well you know that was brought about because of the Sprite commercial Sprite commercial yeah you know what I'm saying but I mean yeah this could have been turned into something that could have kept

the hip hop civilized and maybe both of them would be with us but all all due respect Shan kind of still

is a little bit mad at KRS right now and KRS said on our show that it was semi-serious. That's what I'm saying. But, like, right now, I still see Shan. It was serious.

I still see Shan, like, MC Shan, Big Him Up, Queensbridge, Finest. But I still see Shan, like, every now and then, every three clicks I see, it's still a Shan dissing KRS. Like, he's still, like, man, that's the pony. Yeah, butS. Like, he's still like, man, that's the pony. Yeah, but they're still here to diss each other, and that's the big difference.

They're still here to diss each other, and that's the big difference, I'm saying. I got the truth. But, what I'm saying is, does it commit the same damage? Because, when you got Shan still, like, you know, every, you know, he still has a personal with KR every, you know, he still

has a personal care of us. I mean, that's really on the individual. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if you're going to lose

sleep at night over losing a battle, that's on you. You know? That's on you. Because I mean, um... Because you're supposed

to get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, man. Like the NBA. And losing sleep is better than losing life. Nigg to get dunked on and keep it moving. Yeah, man. Like the NBA. Niggas get dunked on every day, B. Niggas get dunked on every day, B. Losing sleep is better than losing your life. Yeah.

So now, let me tell you something, Kane. Well, I mean, honestly, yes, I can see it. If you in it for the culture... Right. You know what I'm saying? You're a battle MC. And you want to be the best battle MC. If you lose a battle,

then don't take it as a loss. Take it as a lesson. And there's no loss. It's a lesson. You know what I'm saying? Figure out what you did wrong. Like a boxer. You know?

Because I mean, I remember people asking me about the whole Jay-Z, Nas thing. Speak on it, King. And I said no way.

And I was wrong. No way about who or what? I thought that there was no way that Nas could win that. Ooh. I thought there was no, for the simple fact that. You fucked up, King. Go ahead.

No, I'm saying. At the moment, it makes. No, no, because here's the thing. I need to hear your theory. I knew that Jay-Z was more sarcastic. And when I met Nas, I didn't really see no sense of humor. Jay-z was more sarcastic and When I met Nas I didn't really see no sense of humor You know said was the first time you met not um

Usually John plays studio. No, huh? John plays video. No, no unique studio. Okay. Oh, you need Unique studio 47th street oh you was there and did the john blaze no no i definitely wasn't there i was there with john blaze yeah john blaze yeah yeah yeah oh okay well that's the first time i met you oh for real yeah yeah yeah we'll get to that later come on yeah um yeah um it was on that um uniqueique Studios. And we was chopping it up. And, I mean, I didn't see a sense of humor in him. You know what I'm saying? But if you would have met his brother Jungle, you would have knew that's the funniest nigga in the world.

Well, see, you were more inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't see it. So it's like I'm sitting there like knowing Jay-Z's sense of humor. I'm like, you know, someone that, you know someone that don't have fun, don't play around. Because see, in my mind, I guess I was seeing another battle playing out. Right. Okay.

Someone else had a sense of humor. Someone else is serious. Okay. And I knew how to play out. Let me cut you off. Go for it. Because look, when people, they hear me like on the Eminem record, right? This is the first time I'm ever going to say this.

I did two or three interviews where people asked me, you even called me gay. You're a foul guy. Like what? You called me gay. I called you gay? He was like, that's gay. That answer's gay. That's what you said.

Probably did say that. All right. So look, so when I heard Eminem against Jay-Z, I've never looked at it like, M, destroy Jay. I just did because I actually kind of related to Jay-Z's verses more than I did Eminem. And that's not, I love Eminem. It's just, I don't want to be known in the biblical. Because there was a little bit of residuals. Then I did Eminem and that's not I love him in it. It's just I don't be knowing the biblical

Residuals I don't know that right, but I know like awkward bucket lefty and so like I know that right So people think That I'm crazy when I say that I look at that record as if it's a great record, right? You even. No, or that Jay. You're talking about. I don't think, I don't feel like Jay got bought, right? Right, right. But on Ether and the Takeover, Nas 100% won that.

100%. Nas 100% won that 100% If you compare Just take over to Aether Now Super Ugly I don't even want to count that Because it was an emotional record Right

You can tell Like Jay's one of our best MC's We can't even We shouldn't even judge him We shouldn't even rate him Or for that Let's just do those two things.

Nas definitely won. And Jay's my man. Nas is my man. Nah, I think, yeah. But because of what you said, it's because of, I felt like he took it too serious.

Like, you feel like a battle. You feel like who took it too serious? I feel like Jay took it too serious. No, no, I mean, no. You could be right because I don't think

that Jay expected what Nas did on Ether. He never saw that coming. Do you think that Jay underperformed or Nas overperformed to what you thought? Nas overperformed. Overperformed. Nas overperformed. To what you thought in terms of humor and all that stuff. Jay-Z bodied Nas on TakeOver. It's just that the response that Nas had on Ether, I didn't see coming in a million years.

I ain't gonna lie to you. And it took a long time to, remember Kane, he didn't just respond. Now in your days, a person do a record, you gotta do it next week. He took his little time. You see, I don't even remember what the window looked like. Oh, it was a big window. Yeah, it was a large window. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were getting killed.

I'm a Queens nigga. Queens niggas ain't doing shit. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, goddammit. It was Nas right now. No, but I mean, he killed Ita. I would have never expected that from Nas. Like, years later, I had, 2014, I had a conversation with Nas,

and that was the first time I really saw like, his sense of humor. Right. Oh no, Nas is a funny nigga. Yeah, all them Vernon niggas, niggas from Vernon, it's for him. Them niggas is funny niggas, like yeah. But I'm saying, when I first met him, I met him at Unique Studios.

He was quiet. Yeah. Quiet. Yeah. He was really sitting there talking to me and taking it in. Right. No, of course. You a legend, Kane.

Of course. Nobody want to be funny in front of you. You know, Kane? Come on. You fucking good daddy Kane. Come on. God damn it. Listen, listen.

In their mind, when people meet you, they hug you. And, I mean, they give you a five. But in their mind, even if they don't do it, they're going like this. Facts. They're going like this, man. Let me tell you something, man. You really laid it out for us to play it out. You was the guy in front of you know masses finger pop Madonna

saying it again finger pop yo you guys yes yeah yeah you know these these tremendous records you had, you had, you had, you had, you know, these, these tremendous records you toured, you did everything. And the thing about Drink Champs, we don't want you to ever feel like your life is over or your life has ever been misplaced. Here at Drink Champs, we want to big up these other young boys. They got these other outlets where they can go on and they can play their music. And that's not what it is here on Drink Champs.

On Drink Champs, we want to salute our legends. I mean, I appreciate that. And no, no, 100%. Yo, my dude, listen, I got thick eyebrows right now because I was cutting my eyebrows. I had three cuts in my eyebrows trying to wild out. You know that Jay-z Larry, yeah, I see the same thing happened to Kane three cuts in your look No, look my shoes already thick anyway But I was like I was a young nigga like 11 years old and I cut my three

They do you know how influential you was? Whatever you did. That's just the reason why Jay has to always salute you, because he actually, like, whatever you did, you came out in a robe, we wanted a robe. You had a four-finger ring, we wanted a ring. You had a rope chain, we wanted a rope chain. I'm just being 100% honest.

No, that's love, baby. I appreciate it. I appreciate that. You was the, what is that shit called? Train setter. Whatever you did, we follow.

That's what you, you know, you have to be, man. You have to be that. You know what I'm saying? You have to create, you know, your own lane. Yep. You have to create that.

Otherwise, you know, you're just another piece on the table, man. You have to create your own lane. What makes you unique? You know? And, I mean, don't get it fucked up big homie i mean i i think that you are a very unique artist yourself man because it's like yo no no kane it's about you today but look hold on kane i'm gonna switch the subject because i'll see you try to switch the subject i'm good at my skin all right look let look, look, look, look. Let me tell you something, Kane.

One of the things that I want to do, right, is with all this transitioning of how the culture is moving, what I thought of was, you know, I watched the NWA movie. I watched all these other people's movie, right? Now, it's two things. One, we got to tell a Big Daddy Kane story. What's it called? Biop? Biopic.

Biopic, yeah. We got to get a Big Daddy Kane biopic. And not only that, but this is also an idea that I have. I wanted to do the Clarence 13X movie. And as I'm looking at you, I think you would play the father. Could you think you'd pull off playing

the father of Clarence 13x in a movie? I mean, why not? I don't see the why not either. I don't see a not. I only see yes. Would that be your ultimate role as an actor? mean hey brother you call your people I call mine Is that a movie that need to be necessary because you grew up, you know Five or six. Yeah, I think that I think that it would be beautiful.

I mean, to be honest with you, the state of the world today, anything that has a positive view, you know what I'm saying? And anything that would be uplifting

to black people in this time, you know what I'm saying? And I have to say black people in this time. You know what I'm saying? And I have to say black people. You know what I'm saying? I have to, you know, be that specific because, I mean, you know, this is an era where not only, you know, are we going through so much with police brutality

and, you know, just that whole lack of masculinity. You know, I mean, not only that, it's the type of thing where we're going against each other just to be famous on social media. Told that shit, King.

You know what I'm saying? It's the type of thing where right now we're in a situation where you know, one black dude will go against another just to be able to say, you know, just something important or just be recognized by a comment on social media, you know? And I mean, it's like, you it's it's just sad because it's not unified it's not uplifted what you remember your days like they were structured like 5% people like I remember like people like you know coming out like and if they knew my mother the gods would check me the gods would be like yo you don't have that no more like if you don't even have that

exactly even have that in the industry meaning but that's deeper than your days okay you know I'm saying they go back to the 70s you know sir is that go back to the 70s with Black Panthers and so on you know I mean so it's not like it was just a you know a thing you know with the five percentage is this is something that this just deep that is this went on and matter of fact, even prior to that, you know what I'm saying? Like, like,

you know, I don't know if, you know, you know, you know, you got your grandparents that are still with us, but I mean, they'll tell you,

you know, it's like, yeah, you know, they see a child over here fucking up. Exactly. It takes a village.

A village. Yeah, you know, like, you know, ain't you something such boy? Exactly. What you doing over there?

They whoop your ass and they go tell your parents But you know That's what I see What's happening in the rap game In the rap game You guys Helped us

And we It's our fault It's my generation's fault We didn't give a fuck About helping the next guys And I'm not saying me in particular because I helped everybody who I could help. Nah. Okay.

Yeah, because be careful how you choose your words. Okay. Because, nah, I don't think that this really started until the new millennium. I don't think this started with your era. I think this started with the new millennium. I don't think this started with your era. I think this started with the new millennium. You know what I'm saying? That's when this shit started.

The new millennium when they didn't respect their elders, are you saying? Well, I think what basically happened is like, you know, when we entered

into this new century, it wasn't the type of thing where cats that used to promote Stephanie Mills and the Gap Band or them were in control of rap, where they're confused and don't know what the hell they're doing. Now we actually have people in control of rap that grew up in hip hop. They understand it. Probably was a rapper themself that didn't make it. You know what I'm saying? understand it probably was a rapper himself that didn't make it right you know that they may have been someone that said I don't like grimy I don't

like nothing why that nigga get a deal I'm gonna put some real artists I know on and you see they have this here mentality. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, you know, what started happening, it's like, you know, people bringing in their camp, their people, their friends, making them stars. Regardless of skill. Exactly. So now, therefore, skills is going out the window. Right.

And then from a label standpoint, you know, the stuff that we all went through, hey, well, you know, my shit double platinum. We need to discuss these contracts. They start changing that. Creating these one-off deals or whatever, you know, and all this other stuff with artists. And 360 deals. Well, that came later, you know what I'm saying? After the sales started to, you know, go down.

Decrease, yeah. And the sales started to decrease. And yeah, we're going to need a little bit of your show money. We're going to need a little bit of your merch. And, you know, it's like, you know, here we are in a whole different state of hip-hop where, you know, these artists are getting

terrible deals. But, you know, it's like what you was asking earlier about the older generation. It's like, yeah, Mel might have been funky and whatever happened with Mo and L, but I tell you this, Mel did sit and tell me about his career.

Mel did sit and tell me the ins and outs of his business. When I got into it, when I wrote the Lucy's rap song, man, Rick James sat down with me and gave me a whole spill on the industry. Rick James. Damn. Rick James, bitch. Rick James sat and gave me a whole spill and I came to this meeting on some arrogant shit on some

old you know fuck Rick yeah you said fuck Rick not because it was with my man he was always bragging to me about you know you know how wild it was and regular there and they definitely much you know I was in my thing thing you know so I was like you know I get ass you know Fuck Rick was very stiff and coke at this time. I Didn't see him do it, but I didn't see hope it was cocaine Okay I'll get to that as soon as I finish okay

But anyway, I mean it's like Vic James was giving me game I mean so many very white giving me game there was's like Rick James was giving me game. I mean, there's so many artists. Barry White giving me game. There were so many artists that was giving me game. You see what I'm saying? Jaleel from Houdini giving me serious game. You know what I'm saying? And I mean, this is the type of stuff I try to do with Jay-Z.

Like I told you earlier about Mr. C calling me with Big on the line. I'm telling Big how I would handle this situation, what I think he should do. You know what I'm saying? And this is the new generation. See what I'm saying? Did Jay ever disappoint you at some point? Like, you know, you guys connected. He was there for him.

I'm going to be honest with you. I can't really say that because it's like, I've always known Jay the way he is. I know the type of person he is. Right. So there's no way he can disappoint me. You know, because I mean, I know him. You had your expectations. Yeah, I know what to expect from Jay.

And I'm happy for him and I wish him continued success. God bless. You know, but I mean, yeah, it's like, you you know and i don't know what um uh jay-z and tupac and he's cast and biggie what they did for any other upcoming generation but i mean you know it's like you know um but i mean i mean i've heard stories about with jay and kanye dame dash and kanye whatever you know up front and um with ludacris you know and m& whatever, you know, up front, and with Ludacris, you know, and Eminem always, you know, shouts, you know, artists such as myself, Rakim, several others. So, I mean, it's like, it was passed on.

But then, you know, there came a point where they kept us apart. There was a separation not created through the artists, created through the industry. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Of course. Through the labels. Expiration dates were put on artists. Why do you think it's like that in hip-hop?

To me, I want to prove the point that I could have won the championship. I could have been a Shaquille O'Neal. I've been platinum. I've had gold albums. And now I want to turn it to media. So I want to show people that, you know, you can be cool growing old. I'm 40 years old. I just turned 40 years old.

Why is it that people want to give hip-hop an expiration date? Why? Well, I think one of the reasons is that if the youth of today connect with your generation, because you after me, you know what I'm saying? Of course. If the youth of today, you didn't really have to say of course, but okay. We're back. We're back here.

But I mean, if they connect with you, then comes you schooling them on what real hip-hop is And might make them want to think for themselves Because right now they're not thinking for themselves Because they're being brainwashed by what they're hearing on the radio. Yeah, well not just what they're hearing They're being told this is what we need. We need you to do this. We need you to sound like them We need you to sound like them. Social media you social media is the new radio. I see what they'll be doing movie Yeah It's a rats

You know it came on to ball you don't know I mean no no for real that's that's what it they think they tell you They're like no listen. We looking for something more like a you know can you do this all right? Well going down the no bridles on us get your dress and come on and fuck with me Listen, we looking for something more like a, you know, can you do this? All right, well, go on down to, you know, Bridal Zara's, get you a dress, and come on and fuck with me, and we're going to make this here song happen for you. And that's what's happening. It's a new guy with a dress on. Right now. You didn't see the guy?

He has a wedding dress on. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's from Florida, too. He's from Florida? That's what I heard. That's what I heard. God bless y'all niggas in Florida. Yeah, man.

Hold on, hold on. All right, let's take one break. I got to take one more piss. No, I'm going to follow you on that. Smoke break. Smoke break. Give me some air real quick because I know you got asthma. Yes, sir.

All right, cool. Give me some air real quick. Yeah, yo. Cheechoo, get the can over there. Oh, okay. Can, you ain't drink that whole bottle by yourself. Yeah, he did. I watched him.

He's showing up there. I'm definitely going to take a glass. I'm going to take a glass. I'm going to take a glass. I'm going to take a glass., cane. Cane, you ain't drink that whole bottle by yourself. Yeah, he did. I watched him. He sure done did. I'm definitely going to take a glass of it. I thought you all said we was drinking.

We was drinking. We go, we go, he going to, he going to wait. You going to Wood Tavern with us afterwards? Wood Tavern. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Sure, you good. You good. Yeah, I got an early flight now.

I'm going to. Okay, I got an early flight too. It's okay. You been doing it. I'm okay. I got a really fight to look at you, but you was there Yeah, I'm gonna. Oh, he just has to fly Time of year you just gotta fly for no reason Get your miles up. Oh Yeah, I'm about 17 shit segment myself So Vegas the back and then la and back in the number 17 segments short myself, man. Yeah. I feel you. So I'm making it with you. I got it. Wait. I got one.

So Vegas, then back, and then LA, and back, and then I'm platinum 1K again. Yo, my team sucks now. American Airlines. Fuck them, man. That's who I'm with. That's who I'm with, too, but. 17 segments to make executive platinum. I'm platinum pro.

Well, I'm just regular platinum. I'm platinum pro. But I'm trying to get that executive platinum. But how do you feel about what's going on with them right now? We're they separate the shit and you're an NAACP put up Oh, yeah, we end up with a cv1. They said don't fly Well, I thought Tyler Perry boy. I'm American in line. What I thought he had saw it I thought he had something to do with that. Yeah Shot I mean, you know, we here with came Yeah. I don't know. It's just crazy. You want to do one more shot? I'm in. Because, you know, we're here with Kane, man. And let me just tell you something, man.

Kane, you are very much appreciated. Absolutely. You are very much. When we started this program, we were just wanting to. We figured, you know, these guys, they come out. They have one hit wonders. And they, you know, they guys, they come out, they have one hit wonders and they, you know, they have our lustrous two or three years. And we want to respect them, too.

We don't we don't have nothing against them. But we want to respect our legends who got, you know, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years in this career Because we notice that Every other genre of music When you have that longevity You're saluted But in hip hop You have that longevity And they call you old Or they call you washed up

Or they call you And I want to stop using the word relevant Because the word relevant Is only relevant to people who use that word relevant. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant. You know what I'm saying?

You got Big Daddy Kane fans who will probably never listen to these new guys, right? And then vice versa. It doesn't mean, it doesn't take away from you, it'll take away from them. The thing is, if you have this career where you lived over 10 years and 12 and 13 years in here, this is where we want to salute you. This is where we want to big our people up. From you to Chuck D,

to KRS-One, to DMX, to whoever. We want to sit here and we want to let our legends know that you have a place in hip-hop and you will forever be remembered for what you did. You are hip-hop. And you are hip-hop.

And that's what this is about. We are honored that these people come and listen to us, but even if the people ain't come and listen to us we'll be honored to do this and sit before you listen bro i'm glad to be a part of it man so now look i'm gonna pop look that last bottle look look look we got two right now before you do that have a drink with me i'll have a drink with me. I'm going to have a drink with you. I already separated my cups. Look, that's my red wine cup right there. I'm going to have a drink.

Then we're going to do one more shot, and then we'll get about it. Oh, look at that, Kane. Kane, I ain't going to lie, Kane. Oh, look. Kane, did you have a glass of Rose in 2017? This is the new shit. This is what the kids drinking.

Okay. I have a drink with you you have a drink with me Oh, we got and we got we got a gift for you from eight and nine. Oh, thank you He got mad guess he got mad guess now. I want I want to turn you on to something else to man Like like you like you you into the champagne. No, I'm in the champagne. Yeah, um There's a champagne called billacar Samoan. Okay, I never heard of that. You're very rich, King. I'm sorry. Go ahead, continue.

That's just sounding rich. Billacar Samoan. What is it? Like I have a big mouth? No, listen. Say it again, King. Billacar Samoan. You listen.

No, real talk. You need to try that. Bill of Car, Simone. You listen. No, real talk. You need to try that. Bill of Car, Simone. No, because I mean like, you ever mess with like the Vouv? Viva Clico? Yeah. Yeah. Like, and how it don't really have that, you know, that.

You know what's that? See, no spill. Look here. You didn't do this. I learned this in Paris. Oh, shit. Look at that, Karen. Look at that, Karen. Look at, look at, I learned this in Paris. Oh shit. Look at that can. Look at that can, look at that. And then you know what you gotta do? You gotta twist.

Twist! So there's no spill. Come on, give me a cane cup, give me a cup. I'm gonna take one of yours, you gotta take some. This is what the kids drink. Okay, you want three more cups? Look, look, look, did you? Yup, that's, that's, that's. Hold on, let me do it.

Yeah, make sure. No, that was just. There's something in here. That was water, that's where we washed it out. No, no, no, no, let's get a fresh cup. All right, there you go, fresh cup. Oh, no, you gotta look, look, if you want. You got these two.

All right, cool. All right, cool, okay, let Kane, let Kane choose his cup. That's a Kane, goddammit. Now look at that, Kane, look how I'm pouring it. Look at that, look at that. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Okay okay. Now you twist. You twist.

There you go. Okay now you toast. The drink I poured you and I'm going to pour this drink you. You poured me. Oh okay that's how we do it. This is to Big Daddy Kane. For all your accolades. For everything you did for hip hop. For everything you contributed to hip hop. For every time you had a bad day

in hip hop. For every time you had a good day in hip-hop for every time you had a good day in hip-hop For every time you had a medium day in hip-hop We want you to know that you will always be welcome and drink chess Anytime you want to introduce anything that you're doing in life. We are here for you me and DJ We got a couple a couple questions before we get out of here. Because my brother weird thoughts reminded me of something. Weird thoughts. One of my favorite tracks that you were part of collectively.

Burn, Hollywood, burn. Chuck D, Ice Cube. Uh-huh, yeah. How did this come about? Just give me a little something, something. Chuck had a concept. He said what it was.'s what i'll be down i said yeah and we made it made it happen and i mean you know it was like he had a visual um because i mean it was like even though he had already explained to me

what it was about when it was time to do it he explained again and went into deep detail and then using references and all that there you know i don't know if you know chuck but you know chuck yeah you know so you know he long-winded right you know and he he went to deep deep deep deep deep details but i mean it was everything was like bruh. I'm happy to be on the song was that the first time you had worked with Q Yeah Yeah Like I admit Q. You know Q was always cool You know but yet working together. Yeah

So and anyway one more Paul where you at all three transports here. He has another question I did have a question as a fan. How was it when you did the tub? the man took off his hat When when you did the lean on me because I that was with Morgan Freeman and Robert Guillaume. And Robert Guillaume passed away a couple days ago. Yeah. How did you meet him? How did you get on the song?

How did you get the actual soundtrack? We won the song because of Benny Medina. Hold on. Let me just throw out. Benny Medina's name came up a couple of times on this podcast. I just want to throw it out there. Benny Medina's name came up with Mariah Carey and

J-Lo. Continue. Latinos. He's talking about big niggas right now. I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, Benny Medina, you know, he was, you know, because Kane's so smooth. He said like Benny Medina, like the nigga that own the bodega. We got to relax. He's a big nigga

I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, I mean this is when he was at Warner Brothers and you know, he was responsible for the whole lean on me soundtrack and It was so funny because it was like, you know He told me about the song and I had a copy of the film and I did watch the film But didn't about the song and I had a copy of the film and I did watch the film but didn't write the song Because I was going through some other you know some some other you know, kind, you know contract disputes, you know With Coachella and and so I just was like, you know, you know after song But then Benny he was like ask me. Yeah, I'm the yeah. I'm on it. I'm on it. Then one day, Benny hit me and was like, yo, how we coming with the song?

And I'm like, yeah, we good. And he said, yo, can we do it today? I'm like, well, I'll try. And he said, okay, well, good, I'm in New York. Can I send a car to pick you up and bring you to Marley House? And I'm like, oh, yeah. So I was like, all am a Gavin. Yeah, go Like I said, I saw the movie but I didn't write this song

So in the time that he made the call for the car and for the mega to my crib in Queens And for me to get the Queens up to Spring Valley That's the time I used to actually right lean on me. On the right over. Yeah, on the right over. You smoke crack, don't you? Yeah. Actually, another soundtrack that for me is instrumental is the Juice soundtrack

that you're on. Enough respect. And that's another funny story. Because, I mean, Hank Shockley was Charlie Rogers. Public Enemy. Buster Riles, Richard. Yeah, Bomb Squad. Bomb Squad. Yeah, Hank Shockley was public enemy yeah Bomb Squad

Hank Shockley wanted me to do this song but it was like at that point in time I think I was really focusing on my film career trying to get that jump started so my mind was really there you know and

he was driving me crazy about the song and he was like yo can you do it when you get back to New York when I say that I mean like he meant that day I got back to New York and I mean you know I arrive in New York

leave the airport, come to my crib. Hank Shockley parked in my driveway, asleep. In his truck, asleep, waiting for me. High demand. Yeah. So, you know, we kind of come to the studio that night and, you know, write the joint, put it together. But, you know, we made it happen. That was an incredible record.

I'm going to be honest. As I'm drinking this red wine I immediately want to eat pussy. I know you're different They say that red one brings the best It made me want to listen to Otis Redding, but if pussy is your choice Definitely it's just like this got weird for me. Do you finish my drink? I want to know what it makes you feel like I've done that I mean, yeah, yeah, but so the red wine This orange shift orange with machete it's a cab blend

It's on there. I like the way I mean, I'm not a hundred percent sure I think it's from correct I believe it's cab and shoe arm Sarah I think it's, if I'm correct, I believe it's Cab and Syrah. I think it's Cab and Syrah blend. I don't know. I don't speak it. I believe it's Cabernet and Syrah blend. I don't speak it. But, you know, Orange Swift, they make some great wines.

They have the Machete. They have the Abstract, Palermo. Palermo, I've been there in Italy. Okay, well, that's the only 100% Cabernet that Orange Swift make. All the rest of them are Cab blends. They make some great wines. And if you go to their spot in Napa, it's like in the club. They use a real connoisseur of this stuff.

No, it's like when you're in their spot in Napa, it's not like the other spots. It's like in the club They use a real connoisseur Of this stuff Yeah yeah Nah it's like When you in this spot It's not like the other spot It's like in the club They got music blasting And you know Chicks in there Drunk as shit Not Capilose Cap

In Napa Alright but it's not It's the shit Napa Valley In Napa Valley Yeah I know Yeah It's with

You know Cause their thing Is on the strip Okay Right on the strip And yeah yeah I mean Orange Wolf Has a great selection Yeah I've never seen You know, because their thing is on the strip. Okay. Right on the strip. And yeah, yeah. I mean, Orange Wolf has a great selection.

Yeah, I've never seen this. This is Machete. And they have a whole bunch of... That's a black girl on the bottle? Yeah, yeah. But I mean, they have a bunch... It's all the same wine, but they use different photos. So there's a lot of different photos of her in different positions. Let's make noise for Kane being a classic.

Classic singer. We had Jermaine Dupri here. Jermaine Dupri ordered 1942 to kill. Right. Correct? But we have never had somebody order red wine.

And that's very classy of you, Kane. I mean, I'm just me, baby. How'd you become a classy Brooklyn nigga? He's like, I was born. Yeah, like, just... Because most Brooklyn niggas...

I mean, no, let me... I'm going to tell you a real story. I mean, growing up, you know, I mean, watching my pops. And keep in mind, my pops is from a small town called Bowman in South Carolina. But I mean, you know, from his younger age, he grew up in New York. And I mean, it's like, yo, when I was a kid in the 70s, I see this dude, like, line his shoes up. Snake skin, gator, all that stuff, line them up. Like, he might line up about six pairs of shoes. like Line his shoes up Snakeskin gator, so line them up like he might lie about six pairs of shoes and then put on a suit and

Then just go stand in front of each pair of shoes It's moving down just just dance this way down in front of each pier to see which which pier master suit Like this type of shit. I to see him do as a child. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I've seen my pops go out in a two-piece suit to drive off and had a flat tire, and he had to change the tire, and he changed it in the suit

and got grease on the suit. And, you know, he stood there and stared at the tire, like as if he was arguing with the fucking tire. Came upstairs, took a shower, and threw on a three piece suit. Like just to show the tire like motherfucker I got more pieces. You know I got more pieces.

You know what I'm saying? I can put more shit on this. You ain't stop nothing. You know? Yeah and I'm serious, went back outside with that three-piece on and stood in front of that same tire and stared at it again for about another two minutes.

And then got in the car and drove by. So it's like this type of stuff. It's like when I got into hip-hop, like I said, the battle rapping, but once I heard Kaz, I was like, oh, this dude, Grammys and Kaz, amazing Kaz I was like, oh this dude Grandmaster Kaz is amazing So literally I want to be Kaz But image wise I wanted to be my pops because I was I just thought he was just that that dude, you know

So who's your favorite rapper from that era? If you could say there was one person. I mean from when we growing up as a kid. Yeah. Yeah Kaz Grandmaster Kaz. I knew he was going to say that. So who's your favorite rapper from the middle era? You mean like early 80s? No, no. After you guys.

Oh, okay. Like the Nas, the Wu-Tang. Like the 90s. You're talking about like the early 90s. Yeah, the 90s. Yeah. Oh, man. It's like, I would, I'd have to say it this way. I'd have to say that lyrically, lyrically my favorite was Nas, but my favorite MC was Biggie.

It's like, I like Biggie. I just thought that what Big did was amazing. But lyrically, I would have to go with Nas. Because you understand. Explain it. In my era, I come from where... They put a cord in their ass

and they play these songs. No, no, no. Take this. No, no. We're like, you know, when you come in the club and you fucking everything before...

Well, both of y'all. Y'all fucking everything before any of us. Including him. The cocaine engineer? Right here. The Latinos. The Latinos are the change. both of y'all y'all fucking everything I'm a caramel in my life. You caramel in my life. Now you didn't choose a side. You know, if light skin is popping tonight, you can ride with them. If dark skin is popping tomorrow, you can ride with them. But I mean, it was like. So the Chicos, what do the Chicos do?

You know, I come from an era where, you know, y'all getting action just because y'all light skin. You know what I'm saying? And it was like, you know, we. When you and Wesley Snipe stopped that shit what I'm saying? And it was like, you know, when you and Wesley Snipes stopped that shit. Yeah, but you see, it was something like, again,

like how you was talking about with the flat top. It's something I had to talk about. Something I had to brand. I had to brand being dark skin. You know what I'm saying? Browner than Bobby, so I want you to be my tender bone.

I had to keep on, you know, saying dark skin shit to make dark skin sexy. Was was that I go to work liberals right there yeah yeah I'm gonna charge yeah I get the job done I had to like keep you know saying dark skin shit you know I'm saying when niggas was like Kane is gone I could work he was it was in there with this? Yeah, yeah. I'm not mad. No, no, no. Niggas was like, like, I'm a young nigga. I'm like, nah, that's my nigga.

He good. For you, you was making a lot of money back then. At that point, you got the job done. Oh, absolutely. I mean, absolutely. Absolutely.

It was fun. Like, because, do you think, like, because I feel like you was like the first person to have the commercial success where people know no no no no no for you

hello and who do you okay okay I understand that but both of those okay LL was light-skinned for like me and people. And then Houdini was a group. So you was like the first dark-skinned, buckling guy. Yeah, okay, okay. Looked at. Yeah, I couldn't agree with that. Like a sex figure. Looked at like the king of hip-hop.

And it's just like. Yeah. I mean, now, see, that I can agree with. Okay. But you see, like I said, that was something that I had to create, that whole dark-skinned thing.

So now, going back to Biggie he took it to the next level and see that's what this thing is all about I got what you're saying you should say it's all about you know I'm saying being you what you know no no it's like you know like you know okay you learn this from here okay and then you take it to the next level you learn from your predecessors and you take it to the next level because like you know i mean yeah i made this dark skin thing sexy but my man big said ugly as ever however yeah yeah black is ever however i stay because it was like yo i lied to you not i was in Birmingham, Alabama at a club and seeing this crispy, fat, black dude at the bar chilling with a Coogee sweater on,

Versace shades, and to even just put the stamp on, the food stamp on. He at the bar doing the Biggie bop, you know. And I'm just and Jigs is digging him. So it was like Biggie made fat dudes sex symbols. The fat dude

buys a Cougy sweater. Pun did the same thing. But Big perfected it first. Yeah, but Pun took it to the next level. And yeah, Pun, that's another dude that you took it to the next level. And yeah, and Pun, that's another dude that was, but you know,

that time we talked, that was my first time meeting him. That was my first time meeting you. No. Yeah. I was talking to Chris about that. Chris Light. No, Rivers.

Oh, Chris Rivers. Pun's son. Pun's son, okay. I was telling him, like, Daddy, when I met him, like, he was just being funny he was like yeah oh your big daddy can't go bring the kids all right that was like yeah that had me crying

laughing because it was like and i just it was it was a honor it was a john blaze video yeah john blaze video because it was like i've always been a pun fan when i first heard him i was like, I've always been a punk fan. When I first heard him, I was like, finally. Finally, somebody give him my man G-Rap his props. You know, because I could hear the G-Rap in him. And then,

to see his videos, and see that like, yo, I don't want my shit just, nah. Like, it was entertaining. It was fun.

I'm like, oh, he's gone. He's gone. Ain't no more fun. Pun. Yeah. When I saw his videos,

I'm like, oh, he's gone. Forget it. I'm like, yeah, he's met. It goes back to the humor

thing you were saying. Yeah. But he was having fun. Yeah. And the lyrical beast. You know the first thing I ever met you when I walked up and I'm such a super fan

and I woke up to Kane and Kane says to me you know I didn't like you first thing he said to me I'll never get it he said I didn't like you but I didn't wait for that said I didn't like you Until N.O.R.E. album But I didn't wait

For that until So I was like Damn you This is my idol Rub in my head Okay And then you said Until N.O.R.E. album

Cause mind you War Report came out And you said I didn't understand you In the War Report But then And then And then N.O.R.E. album because mind you War Report came out and you said I didn't understand you in the War Report but then and then and then N.O.R.E. album

came out and he was like then I went back and I revisited everything and now I understand who you are but then you know what my reaction was

because I was just like so offended because you're like my favorite rapper so I'm like and T.J. Swarm was the man in the juice group

you don't remember I told you that no you remember TJ Swarm oh yeah what happened to TJ Swarm no no no we no. We're not leaving this conversation. Okay. All right. I can't get away with it like that. Listen. First of all, let me explain something to you. It's amazing that you remember that. Yeah, I do. Listen.

I remember I had a big game. No, no, no. I'm not going to big game. Understand what I'm saying. I knew it was you. Because it's like this here. You got to see it. It's like with me, because of the way my ears are trained I'm always

listening like lyrically first right and it's like when when we're not I'm sitting there I'm like yo this dude got some shit with him right and then I'm watching the way people respond to you and I'm like, and it's like, and I'm like, yo, this is dope.

Right. This is dope. Because you see, you got to understand, it's like the element that you created Right. was something that was

so fucking needed. It's special education resource room. No, but understand me. We have special education with special ed, but we have resource room. So that's where I'm room No but understand me We have special education With special ed But we have resource room

So that's where I'm from But understand me What you did Was something that was So fucking needed Because it's like this here How tough can you be? How fucking tough can you be?

At some point If you that goddamn tough Then you shouldn't be listening to music Music is relaxing music is fun. You're right and You made it with the most thug down tough nigga could enjoy his stuff Thank you, baby. You too, man. Thank you, baby. Listen, that's the reason why when I did my history, right, one of my favorite artists was Biz Markie. Not lyrics-wise, not music content, but as far as having fun, like Biz said, what he said?

He'll stick a nose up his nose, he'll stick his finger up his nose, and put it on a basketball. And pass it to Kane, yeah. And pass it to Kane. Like that shit, you wrote that letter? Yes, I wrote that. I knew you wrote that letter. I did, I did.

That's when, you know, I ain't no relative to get a deal or that, so when I'm writing with him, I make sure I mention my ass. You did a caveat. No, but that's the crazy shit was I had written and did my research. And I was like, I said, you know what? Nobody has fun like Bismarck anymore. Like in this day and time.

Nobody don't have fun. I'm probably the only MC that embeds what Biz Mark represented. Like, he just had fun. And everybody laughed at him and they tried to make fun of him. And I don't give a fuck if you laugh at me and try to make fun of me. I'm representing hip-hop.

Yeah, but you really bridged the gap and you did something special. Thank you. I mean, because it's like, yo, you're having fun. You got a dance track. You're sitting there, what, what, what, what, what, what. And the chick, you know, what, what, what, what, what. And you spitting gangster stuff, but it's in a party-type flow. Ah, goddamn it.

Look, Kane. Look, Kane. Kane's smart. It's like you creating a whole new lane. You making the toughest nigga in the world want to have fun. Nah, he taking it. He's blowing up my whole shit right now. Let me change the subject before everybody starts catching on to what I'm doing.

Kane done broke it down. Goddamn. So, Kane, have you ever looked at rap and you was disappointed at one point? Like, I mean, maybe it's the era right now or weird. Because at the end of the day, Kane, we can't take away from the fact that you're, if not the king, you're one of the kings. So there's a lot of people who can't have opinions on nowadays hip-hop or middle hip-hop or later hip-hop. But you're fortunately is one of the people that can have an opinion on any version of hip-hop. Have you ever looked at hip-hop and was just like, damn. Was ashamed at one point?

Yeah. Yeah? What point was that um right now right now what about i mean it's like let me just say this i think that there are so many talented artists out there right now. J. Cole. Big Amar. Logic. Logic. Kendrick Lamar.

Kendrick Lamar, yeah. Rhapsody. Rhapsody, hard. There's so many. Remy Ma. Remy Ma. Remy Ma, I really, no, she's not new. No, but let's give Remy Ma aemy Ma she's not new she's still shining

but I mean as far as the new generation there's so many out there's a lot out there got it what's his John Connor no Joey Badass

Joey Badass Joey Badass. Joey Badass is dope. West Side Gun. Yeah, Joey Badass. Joey Badass. Yeah, but you see, here's my thing. There's a lot of other artists that's out here that's shining. Mm-hmm. And, I mean, I wish them continued success.

Right. I don't want to hear that little Yachty or little, what is it, little Uzi? Well, I don't want to hear that they broke and, you know, they fucked up. I want to, you know,

know that they safe and they still making money. I mean, I ain't gonna lie to you. There was a time, you know, know that they safe and they still making money. Right. I mean, I ain't going to lie to you. There was a time, you know, in the late 90s, you know, thanks to motherfuckers like you, that shit got fucked up for me. You know what I'm saying? Because y'all was signing.

Right. So you fell out some hard times. Yeah. Right. But, you know, it came back around and everything is good. And, you know, with that came knowledge of, you know, you don't know where to put your money and the right things. You know what I'm saying?

Right, yeah. So it's like with the young cast today, I want to know that they're going to shine. You know, even if their career don't last as long as, you know, as mine or as yours or whoever, that they can still make money and do something lucrative. I don't want to hear the stories about them going broke or where they now. I don't want to hear that.

I want to see them shine. So I wish there was that bridge where we could connect with them. Because I don't want your spotlight. Right. Look, I love going into a supermarket

and someone, Big Daddy Kane, right? Well, I'll drop off your music, man. You say, hey, good to meet you. I love that shit. I don't want you

in the supermarket screaming and yelling and trying to go, no, I can't get the shit I need screaming and yelling and trying to go, no, I can't get the shit I need to do. I got to fucking leave now. I like the peace and serenity that I have. I enjoy it. So my life is good.

I don't want your spot. I don't want to make that return to the top. I mean, I'd love to make another album, something that people would appreciate. I mean, that'd love to make another album, something that people would appreciate. I mean, that would be cool, but I don't need to be who I was in 88. I did that, and it was fun. I like coming home to my family now.

It's a beautiful thing. That's what I like. I don't need that spotlight shit. But what I did back then was amazing, and I'd love to tell you how I did it. Give you the blueprint so you can do it and walk that walk. I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend.

This is my message to the younger generation. Regardless of what anybody tell me, I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. I sit and chop it up with you. I tell you what's really good. How to be what you need to be How to separate yourself from the bullshit And establish yourself as a star Right

You know what I'm saying And you don't have to put me on nothing You don't have to put me on one single track You don't owe me nothing I don't want nothing from you I just love hip hop Was that how you was that I just love hip-hop was that you was a jake yeah yeah yeah hey so I always be showing old dirty bastard

positive K Shaheem and everybody else I fucked with throughout my career real nigga came with can King stand for again? Oh, King Asiatic, nobody equal. King Asiatic, nobody equal. King Asiatic, nobody equal, god damn it. But King, let me just tell you something, man. Things you did, I remember running around, 88, 1988.

I was born in 77, but I used to run with a dude named Hayhart Tarr. Hayhart Tarr had an 88, 89. He had a red Jetta with the white convertible top and the white cream seats in there and motherfucking the vanilla pine trees, you know, the shit. The air fresheners. The air fresheners. And that's all we would do. Just run around from 88, 89, 90. Just run around, listen to your music.

And the fact that I could come here with you tonight and honor you and salute you and tell you face to face, man to man, that you're the man, you're God, that helped raise probably 95% of people in this building because they got people like twinning them. You see that stairway twin look at it See that stairway twin that's not a twin and you help raise this and there's nothing more that we want to do is to continue to support you and

When you go on tour you hit me a ear fin up. Let us talk about it. Let us blow it up. Because there's a lack in our society. When I say society, I mean hip-hop. Meaning that when a person gets of age, they want to treat them like milk and have an expiration date. Sure, you're right. And I got to be the opposite of that. I got to be the opposite of that. I got to use my power like Eminem used his power recently to refute racists. And he used his white privilege to fight racism.

I got to use my quote unquote privileges to still be relevant, to show people why I'm relevant. Because there's people before me. And there's people who paved the way that I respect and then I'm there will always be above me to me I don't give a fuck what I do I could never be Big Daddy King hmm I'll give a fuck what I do I could never be slick Rick I'll give a fuck what I do I could never be rock him I could never be EPMD you guys are what helped pave the way for me so as long as I got this platform you motherfuckers will always be above me in that situation because we love you and we will continue to motherfucking represent our legends

right here That's love, yo. Right here. I don't give a fuck about ratings for now. We don't give a fuck. This is what we, me and this motherfucker right here, set out to do. You see his beard, it's very destructive. That's what the fuck he wants to do. I offer him just for men. No, I offer him just for men. We try to get Just For Men ads.

He don't give a fuck. He's just like, I'm just going to be who I am. And you know what? I was just in D.C. last week for Donnie Simpson's 40th anniversary. The BET nigga with the good eyes? Yeah. He got good eyes. Eddie LaVert.

Eddie LaVert told me that I need to get, give me some Just For Men. Oh, shit. I'm saying, you 70, who we foolin'? Like, I'm 49,

you gotta be like by 70. Who the hell we foolin'? We ain't foolin' nobody. Oh, yeah, his shit is, his shit is slick dyed and slick to the fry. Slick to the side. Well, I mean, I mean, listen, before you, no, no, yeah, his shit is slick dyed and slick to the fry. Slick to the side.

Well, I mean, listen. Before you say that, keep in mind, I mean, who had a sharper hairline and beard than Gerald LaVert? Okay. Had that Beijing. Nah, I think Gerald LaVert was, because Gerald wasn't that old. You know, Gerald was young when he passed. And Gerald wasn't that old. I think that wasVert was, Joe wasn't that old. Joe, you know, Joe was young when he passed. And Joe wasn't that old. I think that was just a barber.

Nothing Beijing didn't even exist then. Right. Yeah. Beijing didn't even exist then. I feel like, I feel like Kane got a Bobby Brown story before we get out of here. You got a Bobby Brown story.

Bobby Brown? Mm-hmm. I mean, I got a whole bunch of Bobby Brown. You know, you know that? We here for Bobby Brown stories, Kane. I mean I got a whole bunch of Bobby We here for my breath Give us give us the best one. Give us that was I mean nah I'll give you my most mature Bobby Brown story.

I've never heard it. That's a good one. I mean, we haven't seen any Bobby Brown stories. Nothing started with mature. A Wendy Williams party. Cool. And we were performing this was the year that Trey Songz had just came out

and me and Bobby was performing for a Wendy Williams party and you know prior to the party we were in the VIP just kicking it and like I had like a great mink and I had it sitting up on this thing behind me

and some dude came and sat up on the thing on my mink and he just there just chilling but I didn't see him you know I'm you know doing what I do I didn't even see him Bobby saw him. And Bobby just snaps. So I come over there like, yo, he like, yo, motherfucker. And dude is like, you know, I apologize. I'm like, no, no, no worries. No worries.

Don't worry about it. And I moved it, pushed it a little further back up in the corner, but not like that. And Bobby just like, yo, the fuck happened to you, man? You cool with that? You just going to let that shit run? You know, I'm like, Bobby, man, we grown men now, man. You know, I don't feel like fighting in the club over a men coat, man.

You don't wanna let it ride? Wait, wait, wait. Aight, nigga. Yeah, he was like I'd never It's like I don't know how if you know Bobby if you ride with him you Bobby wild boy man Wow boy Wow boy, you want to give home me the beats? Yeah Bobby's really his hands Michael not his coat my coat Bobby this hands go. It's ready to let his hands go. And it's like, that's why I always,

because it's like, we've always had so many good times. And all the more, normally, wild ass, ridiculous times. But I mean, this is just one of them where it's like, nah, nah, nah. I ain't fighting this motherfucker. Let's be cool.

Before we get up out of here, Kane, what's the one thing you miss about hip hop That you wish hip hop still just had The one thing I miss About hip hop Is Variety I really miss that

I really miss You know You know People just vibing out on so many different things for so many different reasons. You know? Because, I mean, you had, you know,

your audience that was fascinated by drugs and player shit that wanted to rock their truck jewelry. You had your audience that was fascinated by conscious stuff that wanted to rock leather medallions, you know, and kente cloth and things of that nature, you know. I mean, it's like, you know, you had, you know, a generation that, you know, with the East Coast where,

I mean, you know, it was like, you know, how we looked at Eazy-E and them dudes as weird-looking dudes with them jerry-curls. Yeah, at first we definitely looked at them as weird. Like, you're wrong. We didn't understand that. Yeah, but, you know, then when I went to L.A. and I'm at a gas station in a fucking,

in a red Fila suit, and I get approached by a bunch of crips. They don't, you know, blow my goddamn head off because I had a flat top. Right. They didn't recognize me as Big Daddy Kane. One of the dudes said, yo,

he must be one of them New York, no, you know, East Coast dancing niggas. That's what he said. He must be one of them East Coast dancing niggas. That's what he said. He was one of them East Coast dancing niggas. Because, I mean, they had me. There was nothing I could do. I mean, it was about 10, 12 of them. They just swarmed on me

out of the crib. Out of a gas station. I'm pumping gas. I'm out there and I'm in maybe like a rental Benz. Ballin'. Pumping gas in a red Fila sweatsuit in crib territory. like a rental Benz, ballin', pumpin' gas in a red fili sweatsuit in Crip territory.

I had no idea. They had me. There wasn't nothin' I could do. You remember where you was at? Was it Ballman Hills? I don't remember exactly where, but I mean,

wherever I was, yeah, it was like, they had me, you know, if they wanted me. I was there for the takin'. I mean, red fili sweatsuit, red filis, red feel eyes and yeah but and they pulled the one you they saw the

flat top and was just like and they heard I guess I heard my slang like maybe you know make you know what go ahead homie he probably one of them East Coast dancing niggas you know but I mean it's like that's that's what that's what made it dope because you know it's like you know um easy e king t you know iced tea shout out to king yeah they all had you know their story in hip-hop you know that was different than ours man i mean it was like that variety that variety ain't there no more man everybody it sounds you turn the radio on it was like that variety. That variety ain't there no more, man. Everybody, it's like you turn the radio on, it sound like a 24-hour song. A marathon.

No, not a marathon. It sound like a 24-hour song, like the same song. Right, right. Lasts for 24 hours, that one song. So do you think that is the best... Beth, I'm fucking drunk now. The best era hip-hop do you think is... Like, what is the best era hip-hop in your opinion? No, no. Okay, like, well, he asked me earlier.

I chose that late 80s as my favorite era. Favorite, but what do you think is the best? The best era, I don't know. Because you see... I respect that. It's like, I got a lot of respect for the mid-90s as well

because Puffy did something amazing in the mid-90s. Because in the early 90s, hip-hop started to do this. It started transforming this whole gangster thing. When the West Coast started doing the gangster stuff,

the East Coast started following it too. And everything just became so gangster. And it was like, you know, you go to a party, like I hated it. Like I started flying to Chicago going to stepping sets to have a good time. Because I couldn't

enjoy myself in New York. Chicago's the most dangerous place on the planet. No. Yeah. But I mean, I was, I'm talking about, you know. I mean, probably even then too, but. Well, early 90s, I'd go to a, I'd go to a step and sit just to have a good time. Right.

Because I go to a party in New York, and it's like, you know, you look, and the crowd just, nobody want to dance. Everybody just want to screw face and bob their head i'm like i ain't come here for that chicks and chicks dressed like dudes you know nobody want to put no sexy shit on like you know like i'm not fucking your ass with no no no no bandana on your head you're not doing a party party that was sexy that's the gangster bitch era yeah yeah yeah i thought she was sexy

it did nothing you know it's it's like i didn't get it you know what i'm saying i didn't get it but then here this dude puff he take like biggie and the locks and he like okay i tell you what go ahead, talk your gangster shit, but do it over this disco beat for me. So now, all the people that love all the thug stuff, you get to hear it. People that love the party got something to dance to. So he figured out a way to make the two mesh where you can be as gangster as you want, but the people who want to have a good time at a party can still party. I never thought of it like that.

That's dope. You know? So I got a lot of respect for what Puff did for hip hop in the mid-90s as well because he created some shit where it's like you got gangster rappers spitting their gangsta shit over disco and club party beats right so it's like you know even though i may not be in the mood to stick a up or sell sell a bunch of keys or none of this stuff that's beat rocking like a motherfucker you know what i'm saying so i mean that era i thought was great too okay let's make some noise. Yo, man, I can't thank you enough for coming out, hanging out with the drink champs.

And we're trying to take you to Wood Tavern. Let's go. Come on. That would be amazing if Big Daddy can't go to Wood Tavern with the drink champs. Yeah. Well, fellas. We can have one drink Wood Tavern with the drink champs. Yeah. Well, fellas. We can have one drink. One drink, one drink.

Never have so few or so much to so many. But, yeah, man. Respect. Yo, man. I'm going to show you. Everybody in this motherfucker make some noise for Big Daddy. Oh! We're going to have a battle.

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