Drink Champs - Episode 114 w/ Baron Davis

Episode Date: January 30, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with basketball legend Baron Davis. They guys discuss the NBA, Baron's Career, the current state of politics and spots an...d much more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:15 And right now, we got one of the illest basketball players, one of the best people alive. Come on, dog. And he's been doing movies. I've seen him in, what was the movie he was in? What movie was it? Adam Sandler? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:33 You're getting Adam Sandler money. What was that? What was that? Yeah, one of the movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's make some money for Barry Davis. Get Adam Sandler money. So the crazy thing is, you're one of these people that um transitioned meaning you actually had a luxurious MBA career and then you actually
Starting point is 00:03:51 transitioned to do other things how did you We're part of LA. I'm still gonna pop my collar. I'm still gonna pop my collar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. We pop our collar for the Bay all day. You know what I mean? Alright. But, you know, I was born and raised in LA, South Central.
Starting point is 00:04:12 And then I went to private school in Santa Monica. So I always, my grandmother always told me, like, you know, have a backup plan, have a backup plan. So I always wanted to, like, make movies and, you know, tell stories and things like that. Especially because Especially cuz you know it was like the stories that kept me alive and like you know, that's how that's how I got to I felt that's how I got to the NBA Now nowadays the NBA it seems a little soft it seems like Like you know, back then the Knicks had beef with the Bulls. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:04:48 And we knew that when the Bulls came in town, we're going to rough them up. Yeah, for sure. They're going to get roughed up. Like, nowadays, the NBA seems like if you go like this, it's technical foul. It's been finessed. It's not the best now. I mean. Yeah, but, I mean, when you think about it, though, like, the game got to evolve, right?
Starting point is 00:05:10 The game get way faster. And so, you can't play like you did back in the day, right? True. Can't be no Charles Oakley's because then it wouldn't be no LeBron James and no Kevin Durant. Because Charles Oakley be elbowing niggas. Come on, man. Like, you can't play that way. So, you know, I kind of came in at the late stage of that when, you know, dudes were still fighting,
Starting point is 00:05:30 like chunk them and all that. They elbowed you as well. Yeah, everybody elbowed me. But you got to elbow back. You know what I mean? And it's like, you know, that's how you earn your respect. You feel what I'm saying? And it was more so like a tough thing or a respect thing.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And, you know, really it was like about the vets. You know, just like your older brother kind of like bullying you as a kid. You feel what I'm saying? And so you learn a lot through that. You feel what I'm saying? You think you could have survived in today's NBA? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Because you think it's weaker? No, no, no. I could play right now because it's just more suited towards the game that, you know, I could play. You know what I mean? I could shoot. I could pass still. I could play. You know what I mean? I can shoot. I can pass still. I can drive. You know, I can still defend.
Starting point is 00:06:09 I can still – and it's faster. So you're moving up and down the court, and it's not a lot of contact. And so when I played, you know, it was always like I had to play in a post, a guard, a bigger guard, you know, play more than just being a point guard. And so now in today's era, I could probably just be a point guard and be cool with that or like a guard out there. Fat Joe had told me the other day, right? I'm hanging out with Fat Joe, and Fat Joe says,
Starting point is 00:06:34 yo, being an athlete and being a radio personality is pretty much the same thing. And I'm like, Fat Joe, what the fuck are you talking about? I feel like you're retarded. And then he goes, look, if you're an athlete, you can wake up the next day, you'll play for Charlotte, and then the next day be in fucking L.A. Clippers. And then the next day, and he's like,
Starting point is 00:06:54 that's how radio personality is. So I didn't get it at first. Now, have you ever been traded to a place where you didn't want to be? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it, man. Oh, man, I got traded to Cleveland. You never know. Look, the cool thing about it, dog,
Starting point is 00:07:11 is you never know you're getting traded because you see people get traded. You're like, damn, that motherfucker got traded, dog. I'm like, damn, that's fucked up. You know what I mean? And they're like, you don't ever know you get traded until you're like, oh, shit. Like, damn, it's me. You know what I mean? And they're like, you don't never know you get traded until you're like, oh, shit. Like, damn, it's me.
Starting point is 00:07:26 You know what I mean? And I was in the locker room. And so Coach Benny Del Negro, after we had did the live city and All Star weekend, I was still kind of playing hurt. Blake was still kind of coming back. And what team was he on? It was the Clippers. It was the Clippers.
Starting point is 00:07:43 And so Coach Benny Del Negro was like, man, look, you brought us this whole live city, this whole thing. Like, you know, like. You brought a live city. We going to sit you out, you know what I mean? And, like, let you kind of, like, heal, you know, your grandma dying, things like that. We know what you're going through. You feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:08:00 So we just going to sit you out, you know, to use the next couple of games on the road, let the young guys play because we feel like we got enough next year to like be able to like do something. I'm like, all right, cool. So, you know, OKC game coming. He's like, well, you know, I said I was gonna sit you out, but, you know, you don't mind playing. I'm like, I don't. But like, damn, dog, you just told me I was hurt to sit out.
Starting point is 00:08:21 I play. So then the next game, we're in New Orleans and he like, I'm thinking like, all right, I played in OKC, I'm gonna play in New Orleans. He's like, no, you're gonna sit out. And I'm like, all right. He was like, you don't even have to come out. I was like, all right, I ain't gotta come out. You know, I don't want to sit on the bench, you know what I mean? And be hurt. I'm back in New Orleans, you know what I mean? I don't want to hear that. So I'm thinking he doing me a favor. Then like halftime come in, somebody like, yo, dog, you heard you getting traded?
Starting point is 00:08:47 I'm like, hell no, you tripping, dog. You tripping. Yeah, I'm just sitting there. I'm just sitting in the back chilling, waiting for us to get on the plane. You feel me? And you get a text or a tweet? Man, I ain't getting nothing, dog.
Starting point is 00:08:57 I ain't getting nothing. I'm just sitting in the back, you know, stretching, watching the game and shit. I ain't hearing nothing. I ain't hearing nothing, man. Next thing you know, the game started rolling around after the game. And then people like, yo, like, you know, like, it's all quiet and shit. Wait, so are you saying that your teammates knew you were here?
Starting point is 00:09:16 No, I don't think they knew. I don't think nobody knew. At that time, the only people who knew was the team, right, and the coach. And so my teammates didn't know. And then a reporter said something like, a reporter was like, yo, you better call your agent because they're trying to trade you to Cleveland. And Cleveland didn't have LeBron.
Starting point is 00:09:33 And I was like, no, that's not, hell no. I can't step in and go somewhere else, you know what I mean? No, not Steph. What's the other nigga? Kyrie. Because they traded me and the number one pick, which was Kyrie, to Cleveland. So that's how Cleveland got the number one pick. That's how they got Kyrie.
Starting point is 00:09:53 But I'm sitting in the locker room like, all right, well, shit. Let me put all my shit in there next year. I'm like, man, I'm getting traded and my agent like, hell yeah. Now describe that. Describe how it is being like in one city one day and then the very next day you got to go to another city you got to get along with people that you was just beefing with right? I mean or or is that not really how the NBA is? Sometimes sometimes like you know but you gotta you know you gotta go to work with the same person you know what I'm saying and really like
Starting point is 00:10:22 it ain't really no real beef you know what I'm saying? And really, like, it ain't really no real beef, you know what I mean? Like, everybody really got no beef with each other, you know, unless it's like, yo, you was filing me a son. What's this guy named? Lonzo Ball? Lonzo Ball. Is that, because the very first day, right, he comes in the NBA, and this guy comes straight up to him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:40 And it was like, I forget what he did. Patrick Beverly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Beverly. I forget, and to me, it was like, I forget what he did. Patrick Beverly. Yeah, yeah. Patrick Beverly. I forget. And to me, it was like, that's like me welcoming a new artist to hip hop. It's like, yo, look, nigga, you could get money, but it's going to be rough out here.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Right, right, right, right, right. How did you feel when you seen that moment? I kind of liked it for Alonzo. You know what I mean? For him? Wow, that's real. Because it's likeonzo. For him? Yeah, for Alonzo. That's real. Because it's like, now it's like automatically, that's what it is, homie. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:11:11 So he going to get everybody best. You know, Patrick Beverly going to be Patrick Beverly. You know what I mean? He's been one of the defensive players. You know, like that's how he programs. So he ain't going to play nobody no different. You know what I mean? And, you know, and play that style no different but with this rookie, you know national TV
Starting point is 00:11:30 You know what I'm saying? Like that's kind of like if I'm a rookie and I'm him that's Like that I want that cuz I'm gonna remember you die and I always remember that moment So once I get the edge, I'm gonna kick your ass every time you know what I mean? I'm gonna dog you out once I get better than you once I get stronger than, I'm going to kick your ass every time. You know what I mean? I'm going to dog you out once I get better than you, once I get stronger than you. Once you can't do that to me no more, I'm going to dog you out. So, you know, it's just a matter of that
Starting point is 00:11:53 shit make him want to work harder because that's a measuring stick. You feel what I'm saying? It's like day one, that's the measuring stick. Like, he a dog, he a wolf. Like, I got to shake him off. But is that how the NBA used to be? Like, when you come into the league? Yeah, that's always been my mentality.
Starting point is 00:12:13 You know, I think the younger kids is different. You know what I mean? Like, because, you know, they're judged differently. You know what I mean? They're not judged by diving on the floor. You know what I mean? The heart and the by diving on the floor. You know what I mean? The heart and the hustle. It's more about the stats, the position, and playing your role, doing other things. You know what I'm saying? And so because they're scoring a lot of points,
Starting point is 00:12:34 it's more so like when you watch guys, everybody kind of playing in patterns. You know what I'm saying? So it's not a lot of isolation. It's not a lot of post-up and things like that. It's a lot more ball movement and more and more they play fast break or secondary fast break basketball. Now let's get to the elephant in the room. I know me and you is on the same level. You don't even know. Do the Knicks have a chance? It's Paul Zingas. What's that nigga name? Paul. He's nice. Chris Sapp. Chris Sapp.
Starting point is 00:13:01 He's nice. Paul Zingas. Paul Zingas. Who's no? The fucking unicorn. No, he's nice. Do we? He's nice. He's nice. Poor Zingas. The fucking unicorn. No, he's nice. Do we? He's nice. Yo, Baron, you my nigga.
Starting point is 00:13:09 He's nice. In my mind, me and you knew each other for a long time. For sure. For sure. In my mind. Let me tell you something, dog. He's for sure. He's for sure. He's for sure.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And why are they doing better since Melo left? I can't believe this. You know, one, it's early in the season. You know what I mean? And Phil Jackson's an asshole? Let's just throw that out there? You know. A little bit? I don't believe this. You know, one, it's early in the season. You know what I mean? And Phil Jackson's an asshole? Let's just throw that out there? Uh, you know... A little bit?
Starting point is 00:13:28 I don't know. Phil Jackson's an asshole. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I definitely think that Phil Jackson is Phil Jackson. I'm gonna tell you I think it's so. You feel what I'm saying? Phil Jackson is Phil Jackson. I see Phil Jackson walking down the street.
Starting point is 00:13:38 It's just me and him. And I had to look at him. I felt like I couldn't take him. Yeah, he do that. Yeah, he, he, he, you know... I felt like he was gonna win. He be out of do. Yeah, he, he, he, you know. I felt like he was going to win. He was out of pocket.
Starting point is 00:13:47 You know what I mean? He just, he just out of touch. I looked at him, I sized him up. Yo, Baron, I sized him up. And I said, this nigga might win right now. Yeah. I said, Phil, I want to fuck you up. And he put hands on you.
Starting point is 00:13:58 He looked at me and said, you better relax. Relax. Relax. I said, cool. You better think otherwise. I let him walk away. I ain't asking for a picture or nothing. I remember when you better relax. I said, cool. You better think otherwise. I let him walk away. I ain't asking for a picture or nothing.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I remember when you told me that. I told you, I just seen Bill Jackson. I said, he was dolo. And I looked at him. I said, Phil, you fucking up. He looked at me and said, look, little nigga, you better relax. That's what he said?
Starting point is 00:14:20 No, he definitely didn't say it. He said it. He's honest, y'all. But we got a chance. As a Nick fan, listen, I'm going to be honest didn't say it. And he's honest. And he's honest, y'all. But, dude, we got a chance. As a Knick fan, listen, I'm going to be honest, Baron. I'm going to be honest. Look, let me finish my statement. Let me get some more water.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Yeah, you can get water. You can get whatever you want. Pressure. Listen, as a Knick fan, we've been disappointed for 20 decades. We just want one chance. You know, as a person who wears Jordans, I really hate that man. Because every year, I felt like we were gonna make it.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And then he would hit the last shot. You motherfucker. Pippin, everybody, Pippin, he lives in Miami now. I see him. I probably never spoke to him. Yeah. I probably never said hi. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Because the Bulls, they just killed our career. Look, am I lying? Look, you feeling this. Nightmare, my man. Nightmare. Do you think the Knicks, do we have even a slight bit of a chance? Um. No?
Starting point is 00:15:25 I feel like you better say no. To be honest, I don't know. I always say the Knicks have a chance because it's New York and the heart and the energy of the city. You being nice to us. No, no, no. I'm being real. Like the fans, the fans is crazy, right?
Starting point is 00:15:40 And the fans can ultimately become the sixth man. You feel what I'm saying? But I think that that was all just with new york and just and just like it has to be like it got to be a fabric you know what i mean it got to be an understanding that you know this is the knicks this is how the knicks rocking and rolling this is we suck for 20 years. You know what I mean? It's true. And, like, you know, it has to be, like, no matter if, like, one, you can't just keep trying to put pieces together. You feel what I'm saying? Because that's going to always.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Do you think when they traded metal that was a bad move? I don't think. I don't necessarily think it was a bad move. I don't think it was. I thought it was one. I was pissed. I mean, shit, everybody was pissed. You know what I mean? I think everybody was pissed bad move. I don't think it was, I thought it was one. I was pissed. I mean, shit, everybody was pissed. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:16:28 I think everybody was pissed. He Puerto Rican, man. That's why he's trading Puerto Ricans. Is he? Puerto Rico? Fucking yeah, he's Puerto Rican, man. You don't trade Puerto Ricans. That's not the way this works.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Come on, right, Drex? Come on. I don't think it's that, dawg. I just think it was, uh. What you got to do with that? He's my friend. I met him just now. And we together already. Like's that, dog. I just think it was, uh... What do you got to do with that? He's my friend. I met him just now,
Starting point is 00:16:48 and we together already. Like, that's it. That's the way it works. What's going on? Nigga got a pink Gap shirt on. He got to relax. He's my friend. That's not the way it works. No, no, no.
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Starting point is 00:23:25 What? I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Don't worry about it. champs army. It's like I'm not mad at that trade because it was kind of like it was coming to an end. And if you can't honor somebody who's like or figure out a way to like make it right, you know what I mean, or make it right for him, then let him do what he needs to do. You know what I mean? He towards the end of his career, let him go get a shot to go play with somebody else. You know what I mean? Be happy and do what he want to do because right now it's not Melo's fault. You know what I mean? It's not, you know, it can't be all on one player.
Starting point is 00:23:49 You feel what I'm saying? So it's about, like, where's the system that protects the players? When you look at Golden State, you know what I mean? You're always talking about Golden State Warriors. Well, he went to OKC. No, I'm just saying, Golden State Warriors. Or when you talk about Cleveland, yeah, you talk about LeBron. It's like the Cleveland Cavaliers, they got a system.
Starting point is 00:24:09 You know what I mean? Well, have you ever been to a system? The system is in play to win. San Antonio, the system is in play to win. You come here, you play in a certain way. Have you ever been to a system where you didn't agree with the system, but you got traded there? Let's talk about it, man.
Starting point is 00:24:28 I mean, I got traded everywhere. This is Drink Champs. Let's talk about it, man. I think everywhere I got traded was, like, starting in New Orleans. When I got traded to Golden State, you know, they was, like, dead. It was like night of the living dead. You feel what I'm saying? So I didn't want to be there.
Starting point is 00:24:43 But at the same time, it was just like, just like damn like these dudes walking around like zombies like they don't even want to play basketball and i've been hurt so like we gotta do something jay ritz the only one who really wanted to play so i was like man it's like night of the living dead and so i didn't want to be there but you know turn it around i guess you know once we got the right coach and it seemed to like start working you know what i mean and then when i got You know, once we got the right coach and it seemed to, like, start working, you know what I mean? And then when I got traded to Cleveland, I didn't want to be in Cleveland. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:25:10 No Kyrie, no LeBron. Kyrie was still in high school, and LeBron had just left. So they had come off, like, losing 23, 24 straights. So it was like – Cleveland was not a great place to be. But went to Cleveland, made the most out of it. You know what I'm saying? And like, you know, they turned it around after that. You feel what I'm saying? So it didn't really matter.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Like, I think when I went to the Clippers, I was probably the worst kind of system that I was. And you was under Sterling? Yeah. Because let me just tell you something. I'm going to be honest with you guys. I was trying to get an apartment in L.A. My credit is horrible. Nobody approved me. The only building that approved me was the Sterling building.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Because you pay cash. Because you pay cash. I hit my manager, Ali, and I'm like, yo, I'm going to sit here. He's like, you can't move to Donald Seller's building. And I'm like, what? He's like, that's like moving into Trump. And I'm like, oh, shit. Yo, I did everything but sign my fucking name to this fucking check.
Starting point is 00:26:19 And he's like, you cannot move there. And he called Magic Johnson a nigga. Like, how do you call? Like, out of everybody you could call a nigger, I just feel like Magic get the pass. Yeah. Like, you ain't supposed to call. He's not supposed to be a nigger.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Like, I went too far? I went too far? He's not a nigger. How do you call Magic a nigger? Like, when did you? As a person who played for an NBA team? As a person who played and know the politics When you heard that were you shocked or were you like no this is no I wasn't shocked at all What when I when I got there out?
Starting point is 00:26:57 What shocked me is when I got there and when I did my press conference It was almost like the movie The Devil's Advocate. As soon as I come off the press conference, the head of the chief dude of, like, communications said, hey, man, he may say something to you. You know what I mean? I know you from here. He may say something to you that may be out of pocket or something. I'm like, man, what you talking about?
Starting point is 00:27:19 What you talking about when you was playing for the Clippers? That's crazy, dude. No, I'm talking about after I announced, after I gave the speech and whatnot. What? Because I didn't know. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, I'm talking about after I announced, after I gave the speech and whatnot. What? Because I didn't know, you know what I mean? I'm like, yo, I'm coming back to L.A. I'm about to get it rocking.
Starting point is 00:27:29 I'm going to turn it around. You feel what I'm saying? Like, no matter what, like, I'm not thinking about who the owner is. I don't give a fuck about who the owner is. So they're warning you about the owner. Man, he said, yo, he about to say some crazy shit. I said, man, he ain't going to say no crazy shit to me.
Starting point is 00:27:45 He ain't going to say shit to me. But then, like, every day you live in it, dog, you realize, like, oh, shit, this is, like, a dictatorship. You know what I mean? And people say, like, the man's racist. It's like, that man hate everybody. You feel what I'm saying? He don't have no respect for nobody.
Starting point is 00:28:00 So it's not, it's like, racism is just like, racism is a short word to describe him. You feel what I'm saying? That's like a cop-out word to describe him and like the way that the whole system was being ran. So for me, it was just like, no bullshit. After my first year, I went to Africa. I was like I need to appreciate Everything that I have as a black man in America
Starting point is 00:28:30 And so I went to Africa and I you know went to Africa like three or four weeks And just was like I needed to see something that I mean I went to Tanzania Rwanda Man and it's just kind of like low-key changed my life. Rwanda, that's where the whole- Yeah, where they had the genocide. Yeah, where they had the genocide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where they had the genocide.
Starting point is 00:28:50 And then you see- Right now, you see what's going on in Liberia? Libya. Libya? No, Libya. Libya with the slave trade. Yeah, with the slave trade. Yeah, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Yeah. I mean, look, man. It's like when you look at the world, you know what I mean? And we look at ourselves here in the United States, and we all privileged. what i'm saying like and we don't know you know what i'm saying we don't know until we go outside the country and really see how people really live and like the that they got and the resources they use and like how appreciative they are for life you feel what i'm saying and so that's what taught me about like dude this ain't no dude no racist you feel what i'm saying? Like, I'm big like Donald Sterling.
Starting point is 00:29:26 It was like, he ain't no racist. I'm bigger than him. You know what I mean? And so, one, I'm letting everybody know, this man racist, dog. And you, homeboy, you better not say shit to me. You better not say shit to me. You better not say this shit to me. I'm going to sit here.
Starting point is 00:29:39 I'm going to hoop as much as I can, but I can't come to this arena knowing that I'm trying to win games, knowing that he going to win. So I'm fucked. So I can't play. You feel what I'm saying? So let me ask you something because I know you got to get up out of here. When the people start nailing, big up Colin Kaepernick because I feel like he doesn't get his just due.
Starting point is 00:30:02 So people started nailing right and now the nailing things kind of got out got out of Controversy because the thing about it is now they're focusing on the nailing but the nailing part was to promote police Brutality police injustice. It was like, you know the protest not promoting the innocence of The innocent killings of unarmed black people. And when they started kneeling, what happened was people start to focus on the actual kneeling as opposed to the actual protest of what they were kneeling for. How did you how do you feel about that? I mean, it's just it's a great big distraction. You feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:30:49 And I think that it's easy to run where the glow is. It's easy to run where the line is. It's easy to run where everybody running to, you feel what I'm saying? But to not understand. And so my whole thing is, what's the solution? Right? What's the solution?
Starting point is 00:31:08 So, you know, we're kneeling. That's cool. We're showing that we're protesting. We're showing that we're standing up. We're expressing ourselves. We're expressing our rights. But what's the solution? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:31:18 Because when it's time to meet and it's a meeting of the minds, like who's there with a plan and saying, you know what? All this killing got to stop, how do we fix it? You feel what I'm saying? Instead of, like, man, what do we, and not to disrespect, no movement, you know what I mean, but I think that for us to, like, keep rewriting the same playbook
Starting point is 00:31:38 of protest, you know what I mean, when, like, we look at the power that we do have within ourselves, we can rewrite the system by just looking at ourselves differently. You feel what I mean? When we look at the power that we do have within ourselves, we can rewrite the system by just looking at ourselves differently. You feel what I'm saying? How do you stop police brutality? I say, let's educate these kids and let's educate them to grow up to wanna be policemen in their community.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Police yourself. Yeah, because if you grow up, right, and one of your best friends from elementary school is a policeman, you feel what I'm saying? You respect him a little bit more. Right, but I know your story. Yep, exactly. So I know your story, you feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:32:11 But we don't look at opportunities or the jobs, and not that these are opportunities that exist. We got to go out and we got to figure out the solution. How do we create these things to stop us from being looked at you know what I mean in this position you feel you know It's different from when I grew up. Yeah, and I'm barren was like the police is to fuck bitches in my hood Right man a regular people today was regular. They regular so they identify like we knew Pants off you gotta relax but think about it you get somebody from Cincinnati right you get somebody from Cincinnati right now you get somebody from the south who police different now he gets shipped to New York right
Starting point is 00:32:54 he get he get traded to New York you feel me now the way he was policing down south he gonna police in New York exactly now he come to your hood right when your homeboy that you went to school with was supposed to be the police in that community, you feel what I'm saying? Now he come there and now when he run into you, you know, it's a whole confrontation thing because he don't know you, you don't know him. And now you mean confrontation, you feel what I'm saying? So it ain't no understanding, you feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:33:21 It's always a misunderstanding because we don't get we don't we don't create enough solutions for us to understand ourselves and for people to understand that we more than just a motherfucker sitting on the street corner or you know what I mean it's like you know and big ups to you for doing this show right but like you know giving light to people you know what I'm saying to to be able to, like, you know, speak their ignorance, speak their peace, whatever it is. You feel what I'm saying? So, you know. The million-dollar thing.
Starting point is 00:33:49 The hundred million dollars. Wait, a hundred million dollars? You got a hundred million? You want a mic? Come closer to me. You got a hundred million? The NFL is giving a hundred million to causes to get the players to stop kneeling.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Oh, damn. It was a big article in the New York Post. Oh, I don't know. I didn't read that one. I don't know. I didn't read that one. I read that. They're giving out there basically saying, hey, we're going to put $100 million towards these problems. See, but here's the deal. Awareness to get y'all to stop kneeling.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Got no baron, got to go. So here's the deal. Yeah, man. It's like, you know. If they would put that same, because the thing about it is this. We're not lying. We're not making these stories no this is actually happening man innocent black people are being murdered all the time every fucking day by the hands of the police right but we forgot we forgot we forgot because it became a trump thing and it became against the flag and now you disrespecting america you feel what i'm saying
Starting point is 00:34:44 and so it was like hold on fuck the police you disrespecting America. You feel what I'm saying? And so it was like, hold on. Fuck the police. You disrespecting America. We're going to make it about something totally different. Right? And now everybody started kneeling for different purposes, different reasons. And what's the solution? You feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:34:59 It's like I think that we're living in a world because of, like, we got the power of social and viral for us to understand and have a better perspective of what's going on in the world. But at the same time, like we can get caught in the web with just following shit. You know what I mean? And shit can just become viral. You know what I mean? And so you run the risk of positive things happening, negative things happening, things getting misunderstood. You feel what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:35:29 And so you get further and further away from actual solutions. You know what I mean? Because it's like, it's an America thing. You feel what I'm saying? And like, you know, black, look at us. Look at this fucking room. You feel what I'm saying? Look at this room. Every nationality.
Starting point is 00:35:41 So you can't tell me. We like, we like nations. Yeah, you can't, like, we ain't no, it ain't no minority, homeboy. You feel what I'm saying? Look at this. Every nationality. So you can't tell me. We like the vaccinations. Yeah, you can't. Like, we ain't no, it ain't no minority, homeboy. You feel what I'm saying? It ain't no minority. But if you grow up and you believe you the minority, you feel what I'm saying? You gonna always feel like you gotta fight to, you know, like, we the fucking, as far as I'm looking at it, we the majority. We all look and working on this shit and coming together and doing the same thing.
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Starting point is 00:40:12 Join us on Dope Labs where we break it all down in the lab like only we can. Listen to Dope Labs on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How did you get into the Adam Sandler movie? Because Adam Sandler
Starting point is 00:40:25 only fucks with his people. That's it. He don't fuck with new niggas. I'm going to apologize. You got to relax. So, um, how because I think you've been in like three, right? Uh, I think like one, like a commercial. You was a semi-pro too, right? No, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:40:40 What was me? That was Will Farrell's semi-pro. That's My Boy with Adam Sandler. OK, oh. Sandler, like, we just started hooping together in New York. And that's just like the big homie, man. That's like big bro. He tried to say that very nonchalantly. Did you hear how he said it?
Starting point is 00:40:58 We just started hooping. Nigga, you play ball with Adam Sandler? God damn it. Hey, let's rewind that, nigga. That's not normal. Hey, hey, hey. That's not normal. That's not normal. That's not normal, nigga.
Starting point is 00:41:06 I was just playing ball with him. So that's how y'all started? Yeah, and he just passed me the ball all the time. He liked to dribble and throw dunks. He played like Steve Nash. Shoot the ball all the time. We was in the New York Sports Club. And so he was like, man.
Starting point is 00:41:22 I was like, yo, I'm a big fan. I got it, got it. And then we got a lot of ties in LA so you know I was always sweating I'm like oh put me in the movie man and I always walk by his office hey man yeah yeah and what was your first movie and that's my boy was my first movie but we did a commercial for like the NBA and his movie the Zohan and that's how we like we have to do it for the NBA and he was like yo you funny and I was like man thank you dog and then he just started like looking out for me every time like yo you want
Starting point is 00:41:50 to do this you want to be in this and and I'm like damn dude you know it's a blessing because he really like fuck with me and think like yo this dude funny you know what I'm saying so um like because a lot of people like uhtrack minded, meaning you got one thing to do. So how did you come up with that intuition to say, you know what, after I'm done with ball, I want to, you know, experience with that. How did you even come up with that? For me, it was more so like, that was a, you know, once your body wear out, like, you use your mind. And, you know, for me, basketball was never really, like, physical. That's why I always played hurt because I didn't give a fuck.
Starting point is 00:42:32 It was just like a release, and it was more about creativity. You know what I mean? Hold on. I'm sorry. You said your body gives out? This is true? Yeah. Yeah, your body break down.
Starting point is 00:42:41 I mean, you're looking at athletes, and eventually, like, you just can't perform at the level. Like, I feel like I could beat Tiger Woods right now. Like, I'm just throwing it out there. Man, no way. In what? In golf right now. Fuck Tiger Woods up. I just feel like he lost it.
Starting point is 00:42:56 Man, he going to step on the golf course. You going to look at him. You going to be like, damn, just like you did with Phil Jackson. You going to be like, damn, I don't want this thing. Fuck that, Tiger. You know what? You know what? I'll be your caddy, dog.
Starting point is 00:43:11 Nah, I've been looking at Tiger. Tiger look like, Tiger taking pills, man. Tiger on ecstasy, man. Listen, I should take ecstasy. I know Tiger's on ecstasy right now. I'm going to tell you. But you're saying your body does actually. Yeah, your body breaks down.
Starting point is 00:43:25 I mean, naturally, yeah. Like, you train, you train, you train, but, like, you just can't perform at, you know, sometimes the pace and the level, you know what I mean, because the game is getting faster and faster, you know what I mean? So you have to be, you know, smart about how you train and as you get older. But eventually, like, your body is going to break down. Wow. And, like, everybody, every athlete say, you know, you ride till the wheels fall off.
Starting point is 00:43:47 You know what I mean? Because it's the one thing that you grew up with. It's the one thing you love. I mean, that's a controversy around football. You know what I mean? Like how do you tell a kid that's been doing this all his life that he loves this? You know what I mean? This is like what he has to like stop.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And it's like hard, you know, even though it has health restraints. You know what I mean? So it's just like, it's crazy because it's an outlet and it's the only thing that we have. So for me, it was just like, damn, I could use my mind. Basketball dudes got crazy stories. We tell crazy stories. Dudes is funny.
Starting point is 00:44:19 And I'm already in LA, so I'm gonna go into movies and making movies. Very smart. Yeah, so that's what it was. So this is the last question I want to go into movies and making movies. Very smart. Yeah. So that's what it was. So this is the last question I got, because they're trying to wrap us up. Do they smoke weed in the NBA? I mean, not inside the NBA.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Sounds like a trick question. Not in the NBA. Let's play. Not like in the NBA. You know what I mean? I think like the commissioner and like the people in the NBA, they don't smoke weed. But the players, they get busy.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Whoever smokes, smokes. Yeah, basically, it's, like, to each his own. You know what I mean? I don't know who personally smokes and all that. You ain't got a stitch. But, like, you know, if you smoke weed, you smoke weed. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:45:00 But, look, how can it be legal in L.A. when it's illegal for an athlete? I don't like that. You know, honestly, I think, like, how can it be legal in L.A. but it's illegal for an athlete? I don't like that. You know, honestly, I think, like, the rules will change because, you know, it's like, man, you play so hard. You feel what I'm saying? You need some smoke. Man, sometimes you need to, like, your body needs to calm down or, you know, the CBD oil and it's known to, like, be a. The baron, know what he's talking about.
Starting point is 00:45:23 A healer. You know what I mean? It's known to be healing. He The Baron know what he talking about. A healing. You know what I mean? It's known to be healing. He said CBD oil. So all that shit... All that shit, I'm just saying, bro. I'm just saying. The rules gonna change, bro.
Starting point is 00:45:34 The rules gonna change. The rules gotta change. The rules gotta change because it's like it's a high demand on your body, dude. It's high stress. It's not a lot of sleep. You know what I mean? And like I'd rather somebody smoke weed than take pills.
Starting point is 00:45:46 I'd rather somebody smoke weed than become an alcoholic and become a drunk. That's true. You know what I mean? And then when you look back in the history of, like, all the great players who fell to alcoholism and pills and cocaine and shit, maybe if they had some blood, that's all maybe they wanted. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because that ain't known to like cause you to,
Starting point is 00:46:06 I ain't never heard nobody overdose. Now niggas don't suck dick all week. This is true. It's true. Before we get to the Black Santa, do you think that Kaepernick should have talked more? Because I feel like that, I feel like that was kind of a mistake. Like he took a stance and then he didn't explain his stance.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Absolutely. Is that a problem? And we get right into Black Santa. Yeah, you know what? I think even he should've, it should've been a solution. It should've been a preparation for it.
Starting point is 00:46:33 You feel what I'm saying? And I think that, you know, what he was doing was what was true to his heart. You feel what I'm saying? And like,
Starting point is 00:46:40 that's what his purpose and his goal and his mission was about and then I think that everybody else start putting spices in the gumbo you know what I mean because after the Trump said these sons of bitches you know I mean that's way later and that's the whole thing about like the viral thing is like, you know, where was everybody a year when he was doing it?
Starting point is 00:47:10 You know what I'm saying? And now it's like. And you don't have a job now. That's kind of terrible. And he's still fighting the good fight. Yeah. You feel me? He's still fighting the fight.
Starting point is 00:47:17 So let's get into Black Santa. No, so Black Santa to me is like a solution. And so, you know, like traveling the world, you know, and it's like, man, I've never. So you have a black guy show up like you know uh uh and it's like man i've never have a black guy show up like santa yeah so it's a black so i feel like i should be black santa i'm just throwing it out there i got a stomach you are yeah anybody can be sad okay you feel what i'm saying and so that that was my whole thing is like why does christmas have to be told with a certain type of stiffness aesthetic and a look and a feel. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:47:45 When somebody created that. So why can't I create, and I ask you the question, do you know a black man that's jolly all the time? Friendly, you can trust, you can depend on, and you can make wishes to, you know what I mean? Like we don't have that. So as kids, as adults, we don't have that imagery. And so for me, it's to like go in and to look at, you know, storytelling, to look at, you know, from a kid's perspective, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:48:12 From a family's perspective, it's how can I give you an image and then create through this vision and in this world, this world of inclusion, this world of diversity through this black man eyes. Because a black Santa don't just have black people around. You feel what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And so, like, that's the story we want to tell. And basically, kids get to see themselves and they get to see their dreams and wishes and have somebody that they can believe in.
Starting point is 00:48:40 And identify with. You feel what I'm saying? And identify with every time that holiday season come around. And so, you know, I created this Black Santa character and this company basically to be able to tell stories of diversity, you know, Latinos, Cinderella's, you know what I mean? Just, you know, everything. Drink champs. Everything.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Get your wallet out, EFN. I feel like we gotta donate. Let's do it. I feel like it's coming. What is it you're putting out? Like merchandise and stuff? So, storytelling merchandise storytelling merchandise we releasing a mixtape so the mixtape is coming out in a week of Christmas mix Anna yeah so Black Santa is releasing a mixtape Black Santa we got merchandise to meet the ornaments wrapping paper you
Starting point is 00:49:17 know Black Santa calm around you know pop up on you you know what I mean so we just really just building the movement and the growth where it's going to be education-based, entertainment-based, in a world where we can all utilize each other's talent to, like, spew out a bigger message and bigger... Well, let's make some noise for Black Santa, God damn it. And before we let you go, I'm going to throw something out there. Yesterday, I woke up, I had four gray hairs.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Oh, my God. Duh. You got... I had one right here, and the shit, I was like... You got one over there. I got like five now. Now I have one right here, and the shit was sticking out that way. That shit felt like it was that long.
Starting point is 00:49:58 Look at his shit, man. He's disrespectful. But his is polished, you know what I mean? They got flow. I got that one. I was like trying to cut that one. Look at that shit kept growing. That one must have dyed itself backwards, yo.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Man. I woke up. I told my wife. I was like, oh shit. I kept trying to plug it. And my wife had a fucking, a scissor. Like, what is she running around with scissors for? And she cut my thing.
Starting point is 00:50:23 And then I woke up and I had four right here. I was like, ah! We get old. Yo, how old are you? I was like, man, I'm 38. Like, damn, bro, 38. And I look in the mirror, I got gray hair. I was like, damn, I got gray hairs, dog.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Like, I ain't. I feel good. You feel what I'm saying? No, I feel good, too. But those gray hairs remind you, like, homeboy, like, you been through it. It just reminds me, I got to shave every day. Y'all, listen.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Make some noise for the legend Baron Davis. Peace out, you bro. Motherfucking legend. All-star. Great. Motherfucking L.A. We got to show this man some love. Make some noise! What up, Drink Champs Army?
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