Drink Champs - Episode 12 w/ Talib Kweli

Episode Date: June 3, 2016

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN drink it up with activist/rapper Talib Kweli. The guys drink it up and discuss everything from growing up in Brooklyn, working with Mos Def, meeting Prince, early Kanye West as well as recent confrontation with CNN's Don Lemon during the Micheal Brown protests and a whole lot more! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was a part of a legendary group that we only got one album from. We were disappointed we were going to get into that. He's hip-hop's first activist that gangsters in hip-hop claim and the backpackers in hip-hop claim. He stepped up for us in Ferguson when nobody else was. He told that guy that was in CNN. We're going to get to that later that you're reporting on black culture in a disrespectful way. And he told it to him intelligently and live and live to this day. People still don't respect this guy's Don Lemon's news reporting skills since that day.

It's been different for Mr. Lemon since then. I had this guy number. The first thing I wanted to do was text him and say, thank you. But he's a hip hop activist. He's one of the realest people. He's a hip-hop pure lyricist. Pure lyricist. He's worked with the likes of Kanye West, Jay-Z, Freeway, you name him. He's been in the studio or had something to do with them being great. Right now, we have Talik

Wali in the building. Make some fucking noise! Oh, man. Oh, man. The legend. Oh, man. The legend Oh man The legend Tyler and Kweli

Y'all gonna make a black man blush Nah man Listen by the way Let me just say something I seen you in LA And I got a chance to tell you Yeah How much I appreciated

The statements The acts And the courageousness That you portrayed During the Ferguson, and you going out there, first off, just representing for us, and then second off, when people were reporting false stories, you immediately corrected this guy, and you did it in an intelligent way.

You could have been like, fuck you, nigga, you sellout motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel about Don Lemon. But you didn't You didn't and respectful How did that transpire Yeah can we get the full story Yeah and we don't need

The political No doubt Politically correct answer Cause nobody listens to this show We only got three followers Yeah let's go ahead Go ahead tell us Well first of all

Before I get into that You know what I'm saying First of all Shout out to the family Of Michael Brown And Michael Brown's mom And Michael Brown's senior You know what I'm saying Because you know One of the things That was lost in the conversation Shout out to the family of Michael Brown And Michael Brown's mom And Michael Brown Sr.

You know what I'm saying? Because, you know One of the things that was lost in the conversation With me and Don Lemon Was the fact that I was out there To represent for Michael Brown Exactly And one thing that I You know, I try to

I have no regrets in life But that moment We're going to have to ask you to pour a drink Okay, well, you know This is drink chance You sound a little too sober. Come on, open up. That is your bottle. That is your bottle. You know, Hennessy

has sponsored some of the worst moments of my life. Yeah, it's sponsored some of the worst moments of my life as well, Tyler. Yeah, so go ahead. You in Ferguson. Yeah, so I went down there. You know, I be on Twitter a lot. Let's be clear. You did not get paid to be in Ferguson. Oh, no, no. Don Lemon got paid to be in Ferguson. That's right. Go ahead. Continue. I was on Twitter. I be on Twitter a be in Ferguson. That's right. Go ahead. Continue.

I was on Twitter. I be on Twitter a lot. Mm-hmm. You be arguing with fools. I've been seeing you. I do. I do. Yeah, that's why I say that. You know, Jay-Z said if you argue with fools from a distance, they can't tell who's who.

Yeah, who's the wise man? But I tell him, come a little closer, and it's very apparent who's the wise man. Let's make some noise for him. Do you respond to every single person? Come a little closer. God damn it. Just if you come a little closer, you can see. You know what I'm saying?

What I'm doing. But you know what I'm saying? Like I was talking on Twitter to people who was retweeting. And a lot of times people on social network think that they activists because they retweet some. Or because they post something nice and positive on Facebook. And that's all good. But unless you have bodies on the ground, unless the flesh is involved,

there's nothing really, really happening. So I found myself being hypocritical because I'm talking about this on Twitter. Right. My man, J. Cole, went down there. I seen that. You know what I'm saying? Like, these are artists that,

I think maybe Jeezy, Young Jeezy went down there before me. So I seen other artists go down there. Let's pick them up. That's right. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, okay, I can go down there.

I'm here on Twitter talking about it. Let me go down there. I'm an artist. I'm my own boss. I don't have a schedule I have to adhere to. I could go down there. So I went down there

and I was happy to see my man Phillip Agnew, aka Umi Salat, who's here in Miami, you know what I'm saying? From Dream Defenders. He was down there. I seen Patrice from Black Lives Matter down there. I've seen people that I already fuck with down there.

So I felt like I was in the right place. I met my man Tef Poe, an artist from St. Louis, very talented MC. He's on my last album, Ninth Wonder, which I are you on? He's on the song. My man Tef Poe and my man Tori Russellsell um they was down there they was on the front lines and my first night down there to be honest with you i kind of went down there on some like i'm just gonna show my face okay i'm gonna pour you a drink i'll see you no i got the drink oh you got a drink already all right continue continue i'm sorry i was gonna show my face why to be real with you you know i'm saying like i wasn't planning on getting in no type of action or no like hella involved you just wanted to be on the ground. No,

I just wanted to show solidarity. You know what I'm saying? But you got maced or something like that. Yeah, there was... No, I didn't get maced,

but they sprayed tear gas in the air. It affected me a little bit. I had the cops and, you know, agitated the people. You know what I'm saying? And they chased us down.

I was down there with Rosa Clemente, who's a friend of mine, Jessica Caramore, who's a poet. Cops and some young people, they chased us down. Is she related to Roberto Clemente? Because that's my cousin.

She's not, but she is Puerto Rican. All right, then let's make some noise. Is that really your cousin? She is. She is Puerto Rican. My Puerto Rican. Dale, dale. Wepa.

How many days into the protest is this when you get there? This is as soon as I got there. But I'm saying, how many days had the protest already been going on? Oh, okay, it had been going on about a week. Okay. Maybe two weeks before I got down there. And, you know, the people on the front line, I seen that they needed a voice, and I seen that they needed representation.

Shout out to my man Benzino. I seen him down there. Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying? There's a couple other artists I can't think of right now, but Tef Poe, I was rolling with Tef Poe and them. And I was down there for about a week. I got asked to do a lot of press.

I turned a lot of it down. I did Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman. I did a Joanne Reid show. But I was turning a lot of the press down because I wasn't down there as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? You were down there as an activist. Yeah, with the people.

Yes. I got asked to do CNN. I had never met Don Lemon. I went down there to do the thing with him. And this is the night before he said. I had never met Don Lemon. I went down there to do the thing with him. And this is the night before he said, I smell weed?

Or this is the same night? This was about a few months before that. Oh, when he said he smelled weed when he was out there? Yeah, this was a few months before he smelled the weed.

Okay. Yeah. You know, Don Lemon is somebody that I, you know, even to this day, I clown, I make fun of him.

I had a little altercation with him on the air, but I have respect for him as a human being A gay man, black man on CNN He's gay? Yeah, he's gay He do his thing

We didn't know that He came out And Anderson as well Yeah, Anderson, gay They did their thing I went down there I was very excited to do the interview with Don Lemon And I was surprised at the way that he conducted the interview

And I think my shock and my surprise Me being used to doing interviews in a certain way as an artist, was different from me doing interviews as, I don't think Don Lemon understood who I was and what I was doing down there. I was just somebody who was there. He had no frame of reference. He didn't know you beforehand? Nah. We never met. To him, he might have been from St. Louis.

Yeah, I could have been just a rapper from St. Louis. and no disrespect to rappers from st louis because you know those are the voice like my man tef poe right i'm saying like people who's rappers from there they know what was up for real like really they should have interviewed tef poe really you know saying if they were walking by that's how this happened now they called me oh they told you cnn called me a lot give them the back they called me a lot the real story is CNN called me a lot. Give him the background. They called me a lot. The real story is they called me a lot. They called me like 10 times. And I said, no, no, no, no, no. And they said Anderson Cooper was going to do the story.

And you know, I have a lot of respect for Anderson Cooper. Me too. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, okay, I'm going to do it. All right. When I got down there, they had Don Lemon. I didn't, you know, I was like, okay, Don Lemon, cool. Was you aware of Don Lemon prior to that? Yeah, I didn't have no opinion of him. don lemon cool was you a well of don lemon yeah i didn't

have no i didn't have no opinion of him yeah i did i was aware of him i knew he was on cnn you know i'm saying i didn't i wasn't a fan i wasn't not a fan i didn't know who he was i just knew he was famous you know black dude on cnn so i did the interview with him and um you know i just didn't like the way that I felt like Don Lemon is on CNN on TV a lot. I feel like if you call me to interview me, you want to hear what I got to say. As soon as I started speaking,

he started speaking. And my gut instinct kicked in. But like I said with the start of this, I wish I would have talked more about Michael Brown. Instead of getting into it with Don Lemon. No, but you know what? I want to tell you that it was necessary for the time because

you being on the grounds, you probably didn't see all of the news footage. Me being on the road at the time, I did see all the news footage and he just wasn't, it was, you know, all due respect to him because I've never met Don Lemon, you know what I'm saying? So me judging him is absolutely prejudiced because I've never met the guy, right?

Never been in front of him. But from what I see, he's what represents an Uncle Tom. He's what represents, like, the people who don't understand the struggle, the people who don't understand that Mike Brown was innocently killed, the people who don't understand the Trayvon Martin. He was the epitome of the black guy who doesn't understand our struggle. So although your plot with him and your confrontation with him might have took away from what Mike Brown, it also shed light on the situation that, listen, brother, if you're one of us, you got to be one of us.

And if you're not, then you're just not. See, I think he does, because I think as a black gay dude, he understands oppression. See, I didn't know he was gay, so, you know. Yeah, I think he understands it, and I think he goes through it. You know what I'm saying? As somebody who works in the mainstream media. Right. I think he understands it, but, you know, people work for a living.

Right. But we all have jobs, and a lot of us compromise our gut feelings and our morals and compromise who we are as people for that check. Don Lemon is there to represent CNN. CNN is a corporate interest. He's not there in the interest of people. I do like that he represents CNN. Let's make some noise for Don Lemon representing CNN. He represents CNN.

Even though it's the wrong CNN. Go ahead. Not CNN like, you know, the official CNN. Right. But you know, Ted Turner CNN. Ted Turner CNN. That's not the hood CNN. Thank you, Tyler.

That was a great talk. Ted Turner was kind of hood too. Ted Turner, you know, gangsta shit. That other bag of ice, we can't put that there? Come on. The other bag of ice. Come on. But I think that he represent, he was doing his job.

The moment I spoke out against mainstream media, I didn't even say CNN. He took offense to me saying mainstream media is a problem. He looked at CNN as being a part of mainstream media. He took offense to me dissing his team. That's what it was. And the conversation got missing because he was like, wait a second. CNN is fair. I feel like I'm fair. I feel like I work for CNN.

I'm fair. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, you know, he represents the mainstream media. The mainstream media job is to enable the status quo and to convince us that the status quo is okay. CNN, the only reason CNN was down there was

in the hopes that there would be a riot. The only reason that MSNBC, even the left wing, I'm not talking about Fox News and all the bullshit, but even the left wing supposedly on our side, media is down there because they hope that some violence will happen. If there wasn't a threat of violence, they wouldn't be down there. So then they tell you we shouldn't riot. They tell you we shouldn't burn down the CVS.

And I agree with that. You know what I'm saying? I don't think violence solves anything. CBS or CBS? CVS. Not CVS. We can burn down burn down CBS if we want to. I understand. Y'all got a relationship.

Shout out to CBS. But we burn you down, motherfucker. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I think that, you know, they, Don Lemon was doing his job very well. I like you for being political. I'm not being political.

We're not. No, that's not even politics We're not. That's not even politics, my nigga. That's just real shit. He was doing his job. Now, you and me as artists, the reason you could call yourself Norie, the reason you could do a podcast with EFN, say whatever the fuck you want, is because you are

artists. You have no boss. Talk about it. You have no boss. I'm getting high, Talib. Keep going. Keep going. You see when Lauryn Hill don't show up to a show, everybody get mad. Guess what? You could be mad, but guess what? So the fuck what? She don't work for you.

Let's make some noise for Lauryn Hill not working for nobody. She don't work for nobody. You know what I'm saying? She could show up when she feel like showing up, and guess what? If she don't feel like it, she don't have to show up up If something personal happened in her life She can be like I'm chilling today She has an arrangement with the venue owner

The promoter And you don't know it You're not privy to that So the only person she might owe something to Is somebody that you're not even privy to As artists we have no boss And a lot of people don't understand that You know what I'm saying

Because a lot of people caught up in the debt system In the slavery system, and they think they have bosses. They have people they have to report to. That's not something that I'm judging. You can't be judgmental of what people got to do to survive. You know what I'm saying? You can't judge that. But you got to understand the difference between somebody,

you know, and it's the same thing as a gangster. Like a gangster has no boss. Like Mos Def, he's N-O-R-E for real. He's a nigga on the run right now. Is that correct? Let's make some noise. Yossi Bay has no boss. Like Mos Def, he's N-R-E for real. He's a nigga on the run right now. Is that correct? Let's make some noise for Mos Def. Yassine Bey has no boss. Hold on.

What happened? He just said fuck America and he just left. You know what? I think Yassine Bey, you know. Yassine Bey, I'm sorry. I went to visit him. I went to visit him. In Africa.

In South Africa. Let's just make some noise for the nigga going back home. Let's just make some noise. I ain to visit him. In Africa. In South Africa. Let's just make some noise for the nigga going back home. Let's just make some noise. I ain't got the heart. They ain't got a W in Africa, right? I can't go to Africa unless they got a W. I'm sorry. They got a home away at Airbnb.

I'm not a fan of Airbnb yet. I'm not either. I don't fuck with Airbnb. But listen, Yassin Bey, he decided a long time ago, if you pay attention to his moves,

that he wasn't fucking with America a long time ago. That's hard. You know what I'm saying? He traveled the world. He's an internationally known artist. He has settled

in South Africa. He do got some legal issues. And he had an international passport. A world passport. A world passport. What the fuck does that mean, Talib?

A world passport is, so, you know, he has a website where my man, Ferrari Shepard, shout out to my man, Ferrari Shepard. I got a website. I don't got a worldwide passport. Can you break this down? They got a website called A Country Called Earth. And the whole concept behind it is, you know, I'm a citizen of the world. Like, these borders, this is a room full of immigrants. Like, these borders, this is a room full of immigrants.

We done good for some immigrants. That's right. These borders are set up by colonists. These borders are set up by warring European factions that are interested in enabling white supremacy and keeping it going. You know what I'm saying?

People was murdered or raped and tortured for them to create these lines and these divisions between people. You know what I'm saying? No human being is illegal. You know what I'm saying? If you get drunk and you drive and you kill a motherfucker, are you an illegal driver? No, you're not. So no human being is illegal. That's a misnomer.

No human being is an alien. No human being is illegal. Let's make some noise for the No human being is an alien. No human being is illegal. Let's make some noise for the people trying to cross the borders. We got Talib Kweli. Let's go on. Let's go on.

We are not illegal. We are not aliens. God damn it. That's where it is bombed. And so Yassin Bey and Ferrari Shepard, they have this concept of just global citizenry

and no human being is illegal and country called Earth, we are all citizens of the world. So can he still go to countries that's cool with the United States? Yeah, the world passport is recognized in certain countries. But we still don't know,

how did he get that? Did he bone somebody to get that? Let's keep it real. Who did he fuck? Did he bone fingerprints? Every country has a fingerprint? From what I understand, the world passport, you could get it if you do the research.

Anybody could get it. But it's not recognized everywhere. It's not recognized in every situation. Like Chechnya? They might recognize it. I think the situation with South Africa is they recognize it sometimes, and they pick and choose. So I think the situation was he was trying to travel, and this particular time, they didn't recognize the world passport. So he has a little legal issue he got solved.

But, you know, he's been in South Africa and Tunisia and Morocco, and he's just been a citizen of the world. And then how did your guys initially meet? Because the Black Star thing was so big. And we only got one album, correct? Yeah, shout out to my man Rubix. Okay. When I was a young wee lad back in the salad days

of my career. Okay, hold on. Wee lad and salad. Wee, you've never heard these terminologies? Wee, that's Irish. That's Irish. I'm a wee lad.

Ah, wee lad. All right, we're going to take that. My salad days, I'm a fan of the Coen Brothers films. If you watch Raisin Arizona, Nicolas Cage, he talks about him and Holly Hunter,

I think is the name of the actress, and he's talking about the early days of their relationships. And he said, that's the salad days. The days before the appetizer and the name of the actress. And he's talking about the early days of their relationships. And he said, that's the salad days. The days before the appetizer and the meal and the entree. The salad days.

Now that makes a lot of sense. You know what I'm saying? So in my salad days, you know what I'm saying? I used to hang out at Washington Square Park. I used to hang out with incredible MCs like Supernatural. Is this where Half Baked came from? Dave Chappelle was in the park. Okay.

Dave Chappelle was in the park around this time. Washington Square Park from? Dave Chappelle was in the park. Dave Chappelle was in the park around this time. Watched the Square Park. Adolph the Assassin was in the park. Look at Talib getting the head pop. Let's go. Come on. Keep it going. Jean Grey was in the park. Mos Def was in the park, but Mos Def was also a TV star.

He had a show with Nell Carter. I forget the name of the show, but Nell Carter, him, had a show, right? Then he had a show with Nell Carter. I forget the name of the show, but it was, he was, Nell Carter, him, had a show, right? Then he had a show with Malcolm Jamal Warner, had a TV show when he left the Cosby show. Right, his own show. He was a teacher in Harlem. He had a class of seventh graders. Most Def was one of the seventh graders.

Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Then the Cosby Mysteries. Like the first Drake. And this is in Brooklyn? This is in Brooklyn. Cosby Mysteries. I thought y'all was raw in Brooklyn.

Y'all niggas got bad shit in Brooklyn. Let's make some noise and Brooklyn be arranged. Oh, yeah. But no, no, don't get it twisted. Don't get it twisted.

Busta Rhymes, Big, and Jay-Z all went to a school together. Brooklyn got the best Hold on, hold on now. All right, all right. Let me qualify that. Let me qualify that.

The 718 got the best in the season. 718. Yeah. 718. 718. He said 718. That was too got the best. 718. Yeah. 718. He said 718. That was too smart for me.

I had to think. It's the same thing. 718. 718. Y'all got a couple. Y'all got Andre 3000s and Scarfaces. Bumby. Come on.

Bumby's and you know what I'm saying? Well, we got Jay-Z's and Nas and Biggs. It's different lingo, man. It depends where you're coming from. This is that 718. 718 Unity. It's like black and brown Unity right here. Right here, right here, right here. But yeah, Mos Def was doing his thing on the acting.

He had the Deion Sanders American Express commercial. I knew he definitely was a hot thing on the commercial. So he was broke. He was on the American Express commercial? Yeah, we was broke. We'd be in the park. We would hop the train. I used to live in Flatbush.

Hop the train and go to Washington Square Park to freestyle. Mos Def was the only nigga with money. He would take everybody to McDonald's on West 4th. I got arrested at that McDonald's. I'm sure you did. Continue. I had a question from the basketball. Yeah, me and Tragedy Kodak.

Why you gotta get arrested? It's a weird story. It's a weird story. When I was 15 years old, I mean, this is a real story. Right now, at the house I rented, I'm shooting a video. My man Nico is in there shooting a video. Let's make some

noise for Talib Flawson on us. Listen, most people who rent a hotel, he's experienced. He rents houses. Yeah, he rents houses. The house is cheaper than the hotel. I'm frugal. We don't apartment that we rented. Yeah, he rents houses. The house is cheaper than the hotel. You know what I'm saying? I'm frugal. We don't know that word.

Can you explain? Frugal is cheap. It's a fancy word for cheap. Tight in the pockets. I am now using that word, frugal. Okay, continue. Pasta Noose is at this house right now. Big up Pasta Noose.

Big up Dallos. Right now. It's still potholes in my lawn. Right. Let's make some noise for Dallos Hall. Who's Dallos Hall? Dallos Right. Let's make some noise for Donald Saul. Who's Donald Saul? So look. Donald Saul. I forgot.

My tongue is sleeping. All my New York niggas are going to remember this. I used to shop at Renaissance. I don't know what it's called now, but it used to be on Houston and Broadway. And they used to have the Doc Martin boots

and the Jabot jeans. I used to go there for Jabot jeans. I ran into Pasta Noose. This is when De La Soul was the hottest. I'm going to pass you a blunt. I don't know if you're going to say yeah. This is a joint. Oh, this is a blunt. It's a is when De La Soul Was the hottest I'm gonna pass you a blunt I don't know if you're gonna say yeah This is a joint Oh this is a blunt

It's a blunt De La Soul was the hottest shit Hold on let me make sure Let's live I bought the smoker I smoked a blunt With Too Short I got KRS Drunk

And now I got Talib Kweli Smoking let's make some noise Although that is not news That is not news I know but you know why, Talib? Let me just... This is one of the main reasons why I wanted you on the podcast

is because you do so much great in the community that sometimes, like, you know, our preachers, our bartenders, when I say by bartenders, I mean, like, you know, the pull-up guys in the hood. In New York, sometimes they seem holier than thou. And sometimes,

when you just need to show them that they're human, and when you show them that they're human, it's more people that can say, you know what, I'm going to follow his lead. They can relate to him.

I'm going to follow his lead because he's also human. Like, bartenders. It's crazy because, you know, I've been in this business for a long time. I'm known for a certain type of record.

But, you know, ever since I've been in this business, I fuck with EFN. I fuck with them. Right. You know what I'm saying? You remember the time he was in Larry O's? Yes.

And then somebody came up to you and asked you for your... That already sounded funny. No. Yeah, we was in Larry O's, like Gloria Esteban, Esteban. And I'd be drinking together. I'm like, wow, the world need to know Talib can have fun. You know what I'm saying? Because he makes so serious records.

You know, he's a political guy. It's great. That part is awesome. That's what I represent. K-R know, he's a political guy. It's great. That part is awesome. That's what I represent. K-Rez was my favorite rapper. So you understand that I respect all this. But I'm seeing him have a great time. So a person comes up to him and says,

yo, Taleb, I want to do a joint with you. So I'm like, he's like, yeah. Then he's like, yo, Nori, I want to do a joint. I said, yo, Taleb is my new manager. Taleb looked at me and was like, you fucked up, nigga. But he went along with it. And I'm like,

you went right along with it. Let's make some noise for Talib going along with it. With my foulness. That was a foulness. I'm managing Nori now. Yeah, I definitely didn't want to do a song with the dudes,

so I sent them right to Talib. But people need to, I think that that's one of the greatest things is that when, you know, like when people say, I know this is fucked up, but when people say, Martin was fucking bitches on the side, it's like, everybody's like,

damn, that's fucked up. But it's like, nah, he's a human. Like, he was fighting every day for human rights. If he wanted to get a butt, a nut on the side, let the nigga live, man. Make some noise for Martin. Hey, man.

Make some noise for Martin fucking on the side. Good day, man. I'm talking about Martin Luther, by the way. I'm talking about Martin Luther. I told you to talk about Martin Lawrence. I told you to talk about Martin Lawrence. Don't talk about Martin Luther. An unnamed rapper told me this, and I'm not going to blow up his spot.

An unnamed rapper told me this on his first tour. He said, hey, man, all the prophets had hoes. Because you know why? It shows that you're human. The thing about preachers, the thing about the church, it doesn't work no more. It's because you see these people and they got the gated shoes on and they look so good. And they're charlatans, though. And you know what?

They're charlatans. They show you no mistakes. So they show you no mistakes. Why would somebody follow you? Because it's like, damn, I ain't never going to be like you. I have flaws. You understand what I'm saying? So that's why the church is not working.

When you learn the story about his flaws, when you learn about Malcolm's flaws, when you learn about Jesus' flaws, you know what I'm saying? When you read the books that are outside of the Bible, outside of the King James version of the Bible, when you see where Jesus went and traveled. And you know what I'm saying? Like supposedly went to India and all that.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? He gained knowledge from all over the world, supposedly, you know what I'm saying? And had flaws and was a man. But that's what makes people able to relate. Right.

But Black Star is such a legendary... Oh, but before you go into Black Star, because I started talking about Pasta News. Pasta News, I went into the Renaissance. I said, Pasta News, you're my favorite. I sold my favorite shit. I rap. What do I do?

He said, go to Rush Artist Management. It's around the corner on Elizabeth Street. Oh, shit. Right? So I went around the corner. I go in the lobby. Tragedy's there. Yes, he was.

But first search. All right. First search. Right. There's no one who knows. Because he knows. Search But first search. First search. Right. This nigga knows. Because he knows. Search walked in. I'm at search.

I'm 15 years old. I'm at search. This is when Gas Face was out. And it was hot? I was like, yes. Gas Face was hot. Come on. Tragedy walks in. I got a picture in my house right now.

Tragedy had the wild dreads on the top with the fade on the side. He had the little Malcolm X spectacles and he had like a raincoat on. And this nigga Tragedy sat there and talked to me for two hours. You know what I'm saying? Like he was the first. This is a real story that you hear

on Drink Champs. That's a fact. Tragedy was the first rapper that showed me love. Tragedy was the first rapper. Let's make some noise for Tragedy. The first famous nigga. Show him love.y was the first rapper. Let's make some noise for Tragedy. The first famous nigga. Show me love. Word is box. He was the first rapper to show me love. He was the first rapper that showed me love.

That's right. High five. He didn't know me from, he just started giving me advice. Nah, but you know what it is. Breaking down the industry for me and all that. We sat on Elizabeth and Houston for two hours watching the people walk by. I don't even know why he had the time. Nah, sometimes you know who the next person is.

Sometimes it's just energy. You know what I'm saying? It's just aura. Oh, look at that. Look at that. So you were high tech. Yeah, yeah. No, no, let's get back.

First, before we get Blackstar, because you know why? Blackstar is such a legendary thing that you guys did. This is the first time in history we were presented a group first, and then you guys did solo shit, and y'all just never got back. Yeah. Is that accurate? Yeah, it is. You know, Blackstar, me and Mos Def were solo artists,

and we had styles that complemented each other. We were fans of each other. We talked casually about doing a group. other. We were fans of each other. We talked casually about doing a group. We both signed to Raucous. Shout out to Jared. Yeah, Jared and Brian, you know. They saw the vision, and they was like, okay, let's do a Blackstar album.

At the same time, Mos Def was like, let's do this Blackstar situation. Raucous saw it at the same time. Right. So it converged. And he was working on a TV show. He was working on a movie. I forget which movie. This nigga been doing movies forever. He was working on a movie at the time. So it converged. And he was working on a TV show. He was working on a movie. I forget which movie. This nigga been doing movies

forever. He was working on a movie at the time. But Denzel, wasn't he in a movie with Denzel? I seen that nigga. Like some bank robbery movie? This is when I knew I can't act for shit. Listen, let me just tell you something. This is when I knew I can't act for shit. I seen that nigga play a doctor and I believed him.

Listen, I'm gonna tell you when I knew Mos Def was dope. And I believed him And the HBO Simon Lloyd made I said Listen I'm gonna tell you When I knew Mos Def was dope When I seen him When I watched Monsters Ball My nigga Monsters Ball

And this is my nigga That I'm spending every day with And I watched it For 30 minutes And I said Wait a second You didn't know who he was That's Mos Def

Right Right Yeah That's how I knew I can't act for shit When he did He played Chuck Berry in the Cadillac Records movie,

you know what I'm saying, with Beyonce and all that, he was wearing his hair and talking and acting and dressing like Chuck Berry around us, but he didn't tell us that he was doing a movie.

So I thought he was just losing his mind. You know what I'm saying? Like... Oh, Memphis, he stayed in role. He stayed in role. He was in character. He was straight in his hair.

He had the outfits. He was talking. And when I saw actor. He stayed in role. He stayed in role. He was in character. He was straight as hair. He had the outfits. He was talking. And when I saw the movie, I said, okay. Did he go to acting school? Nah, he just,

a dude from Bed-Stuy who got talent. Wow. You know, shout out to Umi and Abhi. They saw enough to make sure that he had the opportunities

and present him with the opportunities. So, when you guys did the Black Star album, did you understand how big, like the culture was going to gravitate towards that? Nah, I think we just, at the moment,

it had a lot to do with vinyl. Ruckus was putting out vinyl, and the DJs were craving vinyl. Hold on, hold on. Let me just tell the people, okay, people, vinyl is the record. It's a record. You put it on, it circles around. It's a record You put it on It circles around

It's not a stream You know Real DJs used to cut it back Bring it back Your mom's got it in your house Your mom's got it in your house Somewhere Your mother has a vinyl in there

I'm sorry Alright, alright Continue So yeah, Rourke is putting out vinyl For people, for hip hop fans That would starve for vinyl. And that's part of Rorkus' business plan. That's how they blew up.

Because a lot of the DJs were pushing back against the move away from vinyl. You had big companies like Bad Boy that was putting out great quality pop, mainstream hip-hop. But they wasn't serving the DJs with the vinyl. They were trying to move away from it. You go to Tower Records or whatever. Back in the days you couldn't buy vinyl. Rawkiss would put out Shabam, Sadiq, Sir Menelik, Company Flow, Most Def, Tyler Crowley on vinyl. You know what I'm saying? The DJs would appreciate that.

Rawkiss was focused on the DJ. And they focused on underground hip-hop and focused on certain sounds. So when they put out the Blackstar, I remember the Stress Magazine. My man Alan Kett. Shout out to Stress. Shout out to Kett and Clive Valentino. I got to cover that. You know what I'm saying Black Star, I remember the Stress magazine. My man Alan Kett. Shout out to Stress. Shout out to Kett and Clive Valentin. I got the cover of that.

I got the cover of Stress. Yeah, you got the cover of Stress. But it was graffiti writers that had that magazine. And Rawkiss did a collaboration with Stress where they did the vinyl on the cover.

The vinyl for Definition was on the cover of Stress attached to the magazine. They sent a copy to Funkmaster Flex. He loved it as a DJ. You know what I'm saying? Like, I started my career

working for Jessica Rosenberg. Oh, wow. Jessica Rosenberg. Yeah, Funkmaster. I used to live in Flatbush down the street from DJ Nuff. I got kicked out of all her clubs. Oh, I was there.

Let's just make Nuff for me getting kicked out of Jessica's club. I'm a layman. I don't know who you guys are. I was there. That's who ran speed. When CNN first dropped,

when Capone and Niega first dropped, I was working for Jessica Rosenbaum. John Forte. John Forte was my best friend at the time. Jessica was managing John Forte. I was 14, 15. Jessica Rosenbaum is a party promoter in New York. She used to manage Funkmaster Flex.

But let me break it down. She managed Funkmaster Flex before there was a Hot 97. No, there was a Hot 97, but before Hot 97 was a hip-hop station. It was a freestyle station. They used to play Stevie B records like, You gotta believe there's something inside of me. And he used to do that in the club. What was that club?

Let's keep it going. Home base. Home base. I went to that home base when I went to New York. The boom spot, the tunnel. This is pre-tunnel. Pre-tunnel. When Jessica got the tunnel, that was a coup.

Peter Gation. Peter Gation. Yes. She started working with Peter Gation. We were doing Limelight Tunnel. Limelight. The Flyers. All right, you got to tell him.

We got to tell him what Limelight is because this is gangster in New York. Limelight is a church. It was a church. It was a church. No, it was literally. It was a church. A church. Oh, yeah.

And it closed down. They have a documentary on them dudes? I don't know if they have a documentary. There's a movie called Party Monster starring Macaulay Culkin. That's about this whole situation. Yeah. It's fire.

I definitely went to Homebase. I did go there. Yeah, Homebase was Jessica's hip-hop shit. I saw House of Pain there and the Ghetto Girls. All right, so I used to... So when you went to that club, if you went to like say...

It was a warehouse district. Domino would have a record, Ghetto Jam out. Yeah. I would post up the posters for Domino's coming to town. You know what I'm saying? Like I worked for Jessica like enough. It was Flip Squad. It was Funkmaster Flex, Enough, Mad Wayne, Big Cap.

Rest in Peace, Big Cap. Rest in Peace, Big Cap. You know what I'm saying? DJ Budokan did the reggae. You know what I'm saying? DJ Budokan did the reggae. You know what I'm saying? And Biz Markie was down for a second when he first started his DJ shit. He was down with Flip Squad.

I used to hand out the flyers. She managed John Forte. Funkmaster Flex's first record was with 9MM, his man from the Bronx. Yeah, 9. On Nervous. The B-side was a record called

The Boom Spot. But not enough time. Six Million Ways to Die Yeah I got that right The B-side Nervous The B-side is John Forte

Yo hold on For all these new guys listening We are getting real hip hop Continue This is real hip hop So if you listen to that Forte record What was that record label he just said? Nervous

Nervous Nervous That was Black Moon. I'm about to say Duck Down. I'm about to say Duck Down. Shout out to Drew. Oh, man. This is real hip hop right now.

Get your Googles. Get your Googles on. Continue, Tyler. Please, please. Yeah, so that's my start in the business was with John Forte. Wow. The Fugmaster Flex and Jessica Rosenbaum. Wow.

And she was working with Puff at the time. He was her partner at the time. Wow. You know, when Flex used to have the parties at the Palladium, and people used to perform Friday nights at the Palladium. At the Palladium, yes. Matter of fact, I seen Ice Cube perform at the Palladium with Funkamounts and Flex, and King Sun came out. Ice Cube performed Wicked, and King Sun came out and said,

Yo, Q, that's my song that you stole. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I was there for all that shit. What happened? I seen Tretch challenge De La Soul on stage because he was mad because they had the record when they said, so stick to your nutty body natures and your pain when they was both on Tommy Boy.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Classic moment. Yeah, I was at the Palladium for all those Funkmaster Flex parties. Wow. Work up a flex. I was at the Palladium for some of them parties. Yeah, I know.

I was usually kicked out. Yeah, I know what you was doing. Yeah, I know. That's no doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how about you on high tech, right? Right, so this is like, I'm in high school in 92, 93. This is when Jessica doing this party.

Okay. So I went to NYU. It's my wife, everybody. Peace. God damn it. She coming in here to make sure everybody's acting correct. All right, all right.

It's a sausage party Alright No one's up to work Yeah okay I went to NYU And then I got And then I left And then I started working

At Akiru Books I was doing these Book show shows These bookstore shows With like Dead Prez And Lord Jamar And them You know what I'm saying

Like And around 95 I went to LA In 95 I was friends with Micah Nahn From Freestyle Fellowship He had moved to New York

He was signed to Kedar Entertainment Okay He moved to New York Kedar was working on D'Angelo and Erykah Badu And Micah at the time Hanging out with them

And then I went to LA To fuck with him I caught a Hitchhiked to the bay Hold on Tell me You're the first black man I ever heard

Use the word hitchhike Oh I hitchhiked Let's bay. Hold on, tell me. You're the first black man I ever heard use the word hitchhike. Oh, I hitchhiked. Let's just make noise for that. 1995. But look, I was back. I took a Greyhound bus from New York to L.A. But you got that from white people.

I did. That's funny y'all tell him it's the hippie. Yeah, yeah. He's a hippie. He wasn't in Brooklyn and flatbushed a nigga and said, yo, you should

hitchhike, nigga. You got that from your white friend. I did. Let's just keep it real. I did. I hitchhiked from Los Angeles to the Bay. All right, cool. Mystic Journeyman.

Shout out to Mystic Journeyman from Bay Area. I met them at a club at the Good Life Cafe in Los Angeles. And they told me, come to the Bay Area. You good. Did they pop a collar when they said that? No, this was way before that. Oh, they did. All right.

But in my mind, when you said it, I just popped a collar. I'm sorry. Continue. It's residuals off the Too Short podcast. That was hella hyphy. Hella hyphy. Okay, okay. I might have to ask you to get some more drinks. You got to loosen up. Let's do it. Come on. And you was shooting a video today. Let's make up your video you was doing.

Oh, that's secretive. Shout out to Nico Ayers and Chaz Van Queen. I shot a video for a song called Good Girls today. Good Girls. Okay. Good Girls. I meet good girls in the right places. You know what I'm saying?

My new album is called Tour de Force. It used to be called Radio Silence. Sounds very smart. Tour de Force? Tour de Force. I got Jay Electronico on it. Oh. I got Waka Flocka on it.

Oh. I got Nori on it. Oh. Almost. He's putting pressure on me. Let's make some noise for Tyler and Bully and me.locka on it. I got Nori on it. Almost. He's putting pressure on me. Let's make some noise for Tyler Bullion. Let's do it. He just puffed at it.

He just drink champs me on the drink champ. That's what we do. Tyler is my boy, man. Like, you know, one of the things that I know I said it earlier, but I want to just reiterate it. I just want to show the people how cool you are. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people think you're so serious. Why?

No, because you know why? You do speak up for us. And, you know, I remember me asking Russell Simmons one night. I said, yo, Russell, I want you to run for president. And he said, I smoked dope before. And I said, Russell, everybody smoked weed before. He said, no, Nori, I smoked heroin. That's why. He did Angel Dust.

He did Angel Dust. I see the show. You know what I'm saying? I know how Russell gets it. But I want you to run for New York City Mayor. Are you mad at me for throwing that out there? Nah, I'm not mad at you. You know what? Local politics is better than presidential politics. You know what I'm saying? So you're going to do the New York City Mayor? No, I'm not.

We started the rumor right here on Drink Chats Radio. Thailand is running for New York City. The promotion for this is going to be like no, no, no. Brooklyn City Councilman.

No, no, no. The city councilman, the assemblyman, the school board, public service announcement, you got to vote for these people. If you have kids

and they go to school in your neighborhoods. That's the part that people miss. That's the part that people miss That's the part that people miss You know what I'm saying Like I'm not I'm slacking on it

Because I don't even be in New York Enough to do it You know what I'm saying But I'm This is a public service announcement But Manny Pacquiao For me too Just won Senate

In his country He's hardly there And he's hardly there I think that I think that You know honestly I know I'm playing around A little bit

But I think like people like Jay-Z, Russell Simmons Atalib Kweli People who know politics honestly, I know I'm playing around a little bit, but I think people like Jay-Z, Russell Simmons, Atalib Kweli, people who know politics. Like me, I learned my politics on Bill Maher. Like, you know what I'm saying? If it's on Bill Maher, I know what's going on. You're good. Yeah, but that's about it. Donald Trump learned his politics.

It's like this. I used to be the type of nigga... But you know politics. This footage of me talking about why you shouldn't vote. I'm not somebody who believes that you should just vote for the sake of voting. People be like, people die for the sake of voting. Voting

in America is a broken system. But I read Man in Marable book about Malcolm X. And Malcolm X, his shit was the ballad of Man in Marable. He's a scholar. He wrote a book called Life and Reinvention. It's a book about Malcolm X that come after Malcolm X's autobiography. Oh, wow.

I never heard of this. It's a good book. I sell it on my website, qualityclub.com. Let's make some noise for the same as club. Yes. Qualityclub.com. We don't sell any books in our club. Yeah, we don't sell no books.

I sell hoodies. I sell hoodies and t-shirts and fucking hats. You got the audio book? I'll fuck with that. No, I'm working on that. It's coming. Come on. I got the audio copy.

You got the video game? That's seven great educations I live. Come on. Come on. All right, go ahead. I got, so he changed my mind when I read this book because Man in Marable wrote about how Malcolm X got with Adam Clayton Powell in the 60s. Adam Clayton Powell is a famous senator from Harlem.

They formed Vote in Black. I bought weed on Adam Clayton Brock. Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard. Yeah, in Harlem. So is a famous senator from Harlem. They form Vote in Black. I bought weed on Adam Clayton Block. Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard. Yeah, in Harlem. So you know what I'm talking about. I bought weed there, yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm talking about.

You know what I'm saying? It got awkward. I'm sorry. No, but that's real shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So Adam Clayton got with Malcolm X.

And they formed Vote in Blocks. So you see how the Irish people in New York and the Jewish people, they vote as a community. They get their shit. If they want some trash cleaned up, the Cubans in Miami, they want the trash cleaned up, they want a fucking stop sign,

whatever they want, they get. Because they vote as voting blocks, as African American people. We don't do that. Adam Klan Powell and Malcolm X figured out how to do that. That's what convinced me that the vote is worth something.

Your vote don't mean nothing individually, because the electoral college ensured that all the white people and all the rich landowners, all the people on land and rich people, the electoral college makes sure that they vote count more than the vote in California count more than the vote in New York because California is a bigger place and

more rich people own land there. But if we get together and vote as a bloc, like the Cuban people in Miami or the Jewish people do in New York, then we can affect change. And that's what I'm down with. So, Talib, I'm going to let you know right now.

Yes. The hip-hop community. Yes. We'll get together and vote for you. Nah. You're going to take the job. Come on, son. We got people.

We got Raz Baraka. He was on the Lauryn Hill album. That's Amir Baraka's son. I heard. I went to Cuba with Raz Baraka and I met Asada Shakur with Raz Baraka. And was on the Lauryn Hill album. That's Amir Baraka's son. I went to Cuba with Ras Baraka, and I met Asada Shakur with Ras Baraka. And they still talking about that in Cuba. He's the mayor. He's the mayor of Newark, New Jersey right now, my man.

Was Tupac there when you went to Cuba? He was not there. Tupac was alive when I went. I mean, right now. His aunt is there. No. Asada? Is it Asada?

Asada's there. And shout out to Nahanda Abiodun. She's there. We went to Cuba. You know what I'm saying? But that's what I'm out to Nahanda Abiodun She's there We went to Cuba You know what I'm saying But that's what I'm saying You've been going to Cuba For a long time Black October

I went once You don't get to just Go to Cuba That helped usher in Hip hop into Cuba Listen yeah Look at that You helped the Cubans

Go back to Cuba Come on make some noise No doubt Make some noise for you We're going to make you Run for mayor We're going to force you To run for mayor

I'm going to start What run for mayor. We're going to force you to run for mayor. I'm going to start a petition. A petition. We're going to hit everybody on Twitter every day. We need a hip-hop mayor that's hip-hop. But we got them. Homie from Jersey. What's Homie from Jersey's name? You're talking about Cory Booker.

He's hip-hop. Cory Booker. See, Ras Baraka, the dude I'm talking about, he ran against Cory Booker back in the day. He lost. Cory Booker more mainstream. Cory Booker is good. He's He lost. Cory Booker more mainstream. Cory Booker is good. He's a politician. He's a good politician.

Cory Booker top 40 and homeboy is underground. That's exactly right. What's his name again? Rasparaka. Rasparaka underground. But Cory Booker is a senator.

He does. He don't sound like he's going to make it too far. Rasparaka's the mayor of Newark. Right, right. In fact, I'm going to Rasparaka having a meeting in two weeks with Black Lives Matter and all that. Me, Rhapsody, and Busta Rhymes going. In fact, I'm going to Rasparaka having a meeting in two weeks

with Black Lives Matter and all that. Me, Rhapsody, and Busta Rhymes going. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Rasparaka. Rasparaka. Let's make some noise

for Rasparaka. On the Lauryn Hill album. Lauryn Hill album. New album. No, the Miss Education Lauryn Hill. When she has the interludes, when they got the principal

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is my born name. So how bad is it you going through customs after 9-11? It was pretty bad. And my DJ's name is Hussein Abu Becker. My best friend's name

was DJ Spinellet name was Musa Abdallah. No, but y'all niggas. Who's that? Mussolini. Oh, Mussolini. No, but some of y'all niggas chose some of the Muslim names. No, no. He was born.

No, I know Mussolini. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mussolini was Muslim? No, Mussolini was born Muslim. But it means Muslim. Listen, so I used to travel with a person named Musa, Abdullah, and Ali Sami. It wasn't great for me going through customs.

Well, listen. I had to learn to leave them. I had to be like, yo, you know how you wait for your man? And he'd be like, nah, that's not working. I'm saying, what you mean?

But after 9-11, I got stopped everywhere, fucking. No, but you look A-Rab. I'm not gonna lie to you. No, no, they fucking knew. I was like, what's the new nigga after 9-11?

I'm like, I'm Cuban, baby. They're like, no, I'm sorry. Niggas started rapping American flags around their head. This is true. For real. This is crazy. So did you have problems

going through customs or no? Yeah, I mean, you know, I got the random search, you know what I'm saying? But I had been used to it by that time. I had traveled the world a bunch of times. It's different every country. We got harassed in Russia. I got stopped random search, you know what I'm saying? But I had been used to it by that time. I had traveled the world a bunch of times.

It's different every country. We got harassed in Russia. I got stopped by the CIA. Everybody gets harassed in Russia. God damn it. High five. I got stopped by the CIA. Maybe not the CIA.

You got stopped by the CIA. It was FBI. It was FBI. Whoa, whoa, hold on. Let's get into this story. No, it was FBI. Go ahead. Break that down.

These niggas, look, I pulled up to the airport. They was like, they pulled me to the side, pulled me in the back room. They said, on this night, where was you? I was in cutting room studios working on my album Quality. I was listening to Stokely Carmichael's speech. Stokely Carmichael, that's the Black Panther brother, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct.

Black Power. He was the one who ushered in the era of Black Power. Wait, they knew this? They started talking to me about this. Goddamn. The reason they knew this is because when I booked my flight, I booked my flight with JetBlue while I was listening to this speech. That's where you fucked up already.

Are we supposed to make noise with JetBlue? No, no, no. I don't fuck with them. That's where you fucked up. He fucked up with JetBlue already. Let me know. JetBlue gives up all your information., no, no. I don't fuck with them. That's what he fucked up. He fucked up with JetBlue already. Let me know, let me know. JetBlue gives up all your information. All right, go ahead, go ahead.

Continue. They showed me a list of names and all the names was blacked out except for my wife, DJ Q, and my manager at the time, Corey Smith. Corey Smith. He managed Vincent Staples now.

Vincent Staples right now, yeah. That's right, I'm on point. Continue. Right, you're on point. They said, do you know these people? I had my manager and my wife's name.

That's it, everybody else was blacked out. I said, I know them. I said, that's my manager, that's my wife. I said, why you got the people? They said, those are the these people? I had my manager and my wife's name. That's it. Everybody else was blacked out. I said, I know them. I said, that's my manager. That's my wife. I said, why you got the people? They said, those are the people you travel with the most. You know what I'm saying?

I said, why do you stop me? They asked me all these questions. They said, you was listening to a speech that seemed violent and anti-government. God damn. Wait, wait, wait. But where you was listening to the speech at again? In the studio, in Cutting Room Studio. Oh, shit.

6-78. I'm in the United States of America. Just Blaze is a working Cutting Room Studio. Oh, shit. 678. Just Blaze used to work in Cutting Room Studio. When he was Justin, before Just Blaze. When he was Justin. When he was Justin. That's my man. He's a grad Philly for me, but that's my man. Go ahead.

When he was an intern, Just Blaze used to be up at night, late at night in the studio. Word is bond. I love his grind. Yeah. That's where I was at. And when I got to the airport, this was when JetBlue was first cracking. Remember when JetBlue was first cracking? I'm sorry, Talib. I don't fuck

with JetBlue. Whether you fuck with JetBlue or not, I'm a United nigga. Let's make some noise for United. I'm trying to get Spartan. Make some noise for American Airlines. This is not an endorsement. No, I'm sorry. Back in the days when they still had the TWA terminal.

TWA, god damn it. Damn, I'm sorry. But back in the days when they still had the TWA terminal back in the day. TWA, god damn it. Damn, let's go to Pan Am. Pan Am, Pan Am. Pan Am on some bad ass. That's before Miles. Nobody had Miles back then. But you can drink on the second floor.

This is like, um. Yeah, this is paper. My man, he just came home. He just came home. We digress. He smokes clear paper. Yeah, this is that official, like, this is vegan, like, this is vegan smoke. Is that like vegan? Let's find out we have vegan smoke here.

Let's make some noise for vegan smoke. We don't know what it is. I got a vegan joke. I got a vegan joke. How do you know somebody is vegan? Don't worry, they'll fucking tell you. Vegans get the joke. Yeah, we did get the joke Yeah We did get the joke

Well it's a nice allure Believe it Alright Talib I hate to switch the subject I hate to ask you this But you know what happened What We had the God body KRS

On this show That's my mentor That's my musical mentor That's my mentor That's my mentor Yeah I am I am Because you know why

He didn't have a chance to defend himself. Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. Let me what happened. I got an opinion on this. I got my take on this. Let me hear you talk it out. So this is the thing, right? KRS is my mentor.

That's right. All of our mentors. He's my god. And for a nigga from Queens, that means a lot. That means extra more. And I said it to him on the podcast, right? He's always said that. I know, I know. That means a lot. So what happened more. And I said it to him on the podcast. He's always said that. I know, I know.

That means a lot. So what happened was I asked him about this question, and KRS is long-winded. What I mean by long-winded is he can't give you a three-minute answer, right? So what I wanted from KRS was, yo, when I asked this question, so when he didn't answer it like that, I know the internet. You know the internet. So this is the reason why, because they're going to shorten

it. No matter which way I ask you this, they're going to shorten it. Clickbait. Clickbait. You know what I'm saying? It's clickbait. So when I realized that Chris was going a little too far, I kind of let him answer, but I changed the subject. And the internet is like, We cut him off.

I cut him off. That's 100%. That is not KRS-4. I'm sure he was going to get to the point to say that that, this part, and this part is wrong.

But when he kept, you know, prolonging, you know, I understand the intellect. It's about like that. Like you already see how we cut each other off.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because we already know. We're cutting it up for one minute to 30 minutes to 15 second clips. We got it already designed in our head. Right? All right. So I asked Karis this question.

I said, what should we do with African Bambaataa and the situation? Right? And Chris, you know, I don't want to say he defended them. He defended their relationship. Yeah. Which is totally fine. But the internet wanted him to say, boom, this is wrong. He's still my man.

But if it's, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so I have to ask you pretty much the same question. Well, here's the thing. Okay. The language of political correctness evolves over time. And if you're not really engaged and paying attention like every second to the Internet and to social media and what people are saying and academic language, how people are dealing with everything from racism to sexism to child abuse to everything. You may just talk and speak your mind. Right.

But because people receive a lot more information, they may not understand where you're coming from. Like, you and me speak a certain language because we're from New York. Right. You and me speak a certain language because we hip-hop, or because we minority,

or because, you know what I'm saying? KRS is an older gentleman. And he's a teacher. He's a teacher, but he comes from a different generation. He comes from an older generation. With a language and a paradigm. And everything that they informed by.

Is different. Than now. So the way that. The language that he's speaking on. Current topics. Is different. Right. It's why.

You hear older people speaking. And you may not relate to them. You be like. Oh. Shit's changed since then. So. Not only you're dealing with. Somebody who's older. Right. And somebody who's not engaged. With the then. So not only are you dealing with somebody who's older and somebody who's not engaged

with the current language, but you're dealing with... I don't think he understood the facts, neither. Yeah, but you also... None of us knew the facts. Yeah, but you also... None of us don't know the facts. You also deal with... Listen, listen, like...

But now we know the accusation. KRS is from a generation that's from before the internet. He had a beeper still. He's from before the internet. He does not have a beeper still. He said he had a beeper, man. He did not say that. Oh, his phone.

I ain't going to lie. I was embarrassed. I told him I was going to buy him a phone. You've been embarrassed on everybody's phone. I ain't going to lie. I've been disappointed. My phone is embarrassing. I'm not even showing you my shit.

Yeah, you don't put it at your home, man. My shit got cracks in it. Like my kids. No, no. Cracks is cool as long as you're up to date. KRS still had a two-way. A two-way phone. You're full of it, man. That's my man. I'm just playing KRS. He a two-way. A two-way. You're full of it, man. This is my man.

I'm just playing KRS. He knows I can joke on him. But go ahead. But you know what it is? Here's the thing. Mm-hmm. KRS, it's clear to me. I'm going to be 100% honest.

It's clear to me. Please, the fans want it. Yeah. As a fan of KRS, as someone who knows him personally, that he doesn't condone any of the accusations. Of course. Of course he doesn't. Nobody does. None of us do.

Even with KRS making a record like 13 and good, because a lot of people have given him flack. A lot of flack has come back and haunted him for this record that he did years ago. That I wrote, I read his, he wrote a whole op-ed because of his Drink Champs thing. That I read. You know what I'm saying? And he said a record that I did as a joke. We used to joke about rape and child

abuse back in the day. We used to use the word faggot with no remorse. If you're older, we come from a generation where that wasn't taboo. We wasn't enlightened. We wasn't evolved enough to understand what was wrong with those things. And we engaged in those things.

When I was growing up, I used the word faggot. I called niggas punks. Right now, even the term man up. You know what I'm saying? I grew up saying man up. I've told my son man up. But as a 40-year-old man, I made a decision

to stop using that term because I realized it's sexist. I realized that it negates into racist women when I say man up. But I'm still evolving as a man. I think we all need to evolve here. I'm still evolving as a man.

And as we grow and we evolve, we do things as we're younger. You know what I'm saying? In the 70s, I watched TV shows and clips from the 70s and the 80s, the early 80s, where people was getting away with shit. If you put it on the internet now. Now, you know what I watched the other day that was fucking me up? Now, this is real shit.

Archie Bunker, yes. Archie Bunker's my shit. Revenge of the Nerds. Revenge of the Nerds. Do you ever remember Revenge of the Nerds? I've seen all three. All four, actually. He had beef with the other dude. So he went in there and he dressed as the other dude.

And he basically raped the chick. Right. And that shit was funny. Right, but if it came out now. Yeah, if it came out now, that shit would be like, we be robbed. If you look at the old Frank Sinatra, the Rat Pack, they was drunk, cocking chicks, doing whatever the fuck they wanted. And that's like the good times Nah they was doing The same shit

But fellas we gotta make a point Cause it's gonna look crazy Let's get to the point We're trying to make Because The point is We're cosigning some bullshit Now listen

Come on let's go Alright Let's make the point The Zulu Nation And KRS-One And all these people Who come from a different era The way that they

It's not like a I had to Come on we're gonna make a point That duck was dying Listen and KRS-One and all these people who come from a different era. The way that they... I had to. Come on, we're going to make a point. That duck was dying. Listen. Because listen, we went to like a dumb area, right? He's the smartest nigga here.

We got to make him make sense of this. Come on, Tom. I bet you that nigga with the camera right there, I bet you he's the smartest nigga. Well, Drain got to be the smartest. Drain is Jamaican.

Drain is Jamaican. They got 17 jobs and he speaks two different languages. Of course Drain is the smartest. He's the smartest. Why is Drain gotta be the smartest? Drain is Jamaican. They got 17 jobs, and they speak two different languages. Of course Drain is the smartest. He's pretty smart. He's smart. And he's from London. And he's from London. That's my dog.

He speaks great too. Jamaican from London. He's smart. He speaks great too. Come on, let's make the point. Let's make the point. We gotta make the point. Because listen, they're gonna fry you on the internet.

You gotta tell them. Yeah, let's be clear about what you're saying. I'm used to that. We don't want to make the point. Because listen, they're going to fry you on the internet. You got to tell them. Yeah, let's be clear about what you're saying. I'm used to that. It's not our fault. I'm used to that. Drink chips. That's what I'm going to do with this. Listen.

Okay. The response has to be responsible. Now, the Puerto Rican sister I referred to, Rosa Clemente, or DJ Cotton Candy, and a bunch of people that they rock with, they fashion a response to the Zulu Nation accusations because, let's be clear, they're still accusations. But even though they're accusations, you have to take them seriously. You have to use the word victim. You have to say that these people are victims

until proven otherwise. You know what I'm saying? You have to take it seriously. African-British should step down. The Zulu Nation should step up in a way that they have not stepped up before. Rosa Clemente and Cotton Candy, they are female members of the Zulu Nation should step up in a way that they have not stepped up before. Rosa Clemente and Cotton Candy, they are female members of the Zulu Nation. They wrote a response that I retweeted on my account.

If you Google Cotton Candy, Rosa Clemente, Zulu Nation, you'll see they wrote the hip-hop response that I co-signed. A response from hip-hop to the Alex. This is what hip-hop needs to hear. This is what hip-hop needs to hear. This is what hip-hop needs to hear. They spoke about the silencing of victims. They spoke about how hard it is for victims of sexual abuse to speak up. And how it's taboo and how you ostracize

if you're a victim of sexual abuse. And they spoke about all that. But they also spoke about how important he is to the culture. Of course he is. He's a pillar of the culture. It's crazy. We can't deny with african ben baddha and the zulu nation and we can separate if african baba has done done these things and the evidence is pretty fucking strong it is it seems it's pretty fucking strong yeah but if he's done these things we can separate that from the zulu nation right it doesn't make generation bad at all people are trying to marriage it with the culture.

Yeah, I mean. African Bambada, this is somebody who, as somebody who loves hip hop, I've revered. I've looked up to. There's a cultural worship, celebrity worship around him. And people who worship him. And people who, because their introduction to hip hop and their relationship with hip hop is through African Bambada. You know what I'm saying? We have to stay away from celebrity worship. He's just a and Bada. You know what I'm saying? We have to stay away from celebrity worship.

He's just a man. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. We have to acknowledge what he gave to the culture. But if these accusations and allegations are true and the evidence presents itself that it's true, we've got to deal with it. And we have to take it seriously. And we have to be responsible because we come from a community of poor people.

This abuse and this type of stuff, whether he did it or not, it happens to poor people. Yes. And it doesn't get reported. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we have to make sure that we step up and we're responsible for, you know, even, fuck the court of law. Right. How we deal with it.

As a culture. As a culture. As a community. We have to protect the youth more than anything. Right, that a community. You have to protect the youth more than anything. That's right. You know what I want you to elaborate on is when you said you think he needs to step down. Because a lot of people in the community. I think he did step down. He did.

He did. The brother Muhammad, which was like his lifelong security guard, had just said the same thing. So I just wanted you to elaborate on for the people who don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like what do you mean by that because well because there's so much speculation and so much unanswered questions that you're tainting the legacy of zulu nation by not either speaking up about it or stepping down like i feel like and i can't speak on that man because i'm not that man right of course but i feel like it was if it was me, even the possibility of the accusation,

whether I did it or not, I would want to disassociate myself from hip-hop, from Zulu Nation, and deal with it on my own, and step down and let somebody else... You know the effect that it's having on the positive. And that's just me. I can't speak for that man at all.

You know what I'm saying? It got heavy, right? Do I need another drink? Yeah, you need another drink Yeah you need another drink You need another drink I need a drink from the first time I was about to say Make some noise for that

But I don't know People will kill me For making noise for that But listen You know thank you You know Talib Because you know why Chris

Again who's my mentor I knew he kind of Didn't understand the internet We got away from that Yeah Chris is Chris is somebody I think I love him too much.

I paid attention to what he said on your show. I think it was clear what he said. And I paid attention to his op-ed. And I got to say this, and just listen, Chris is a friend of mine. We have records together. This is my mentor, this is my favorite MC. This is somebody who I've learned my craft from.

I was stalking him, I hit you, because I heard y'all was together. I was stalking him. The night before, your kid did your show. Yeah, that's right, that's right. I did a show with him the night before. That's a fact. And honestly, I got to say this.

I wish he wouldn't have wrote that op-ed. Or I wish he would have wrote it in a different fashion. Because I don't feel like he cleared anything up with the op-ed. Right, exactly. I don't feel like the op-ed helped him. Right, exactly. I don't feel like he clarified his position. I think as somebody who loves hip-hop, as somebody who understands the impact of what Afrika Bhabata has done for hip-hop.

Right. I think that his vision was a little clouded when he wrote the op-ed. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I think that he was coming whole like conspiracy theory thing like the whole thing like we shouldn't even be speaking i'm not with the conspiracy side we shouldn't even be speaking on that you know i'm saying like it's cut to the chase man yeah it's this or that yeah

and i think i think that as as people who love music and people want it like you have everything have context keras is somebody who hip- everything has context KRS is somebody who hip hop saved his life this is somebody who was homeless and rose to be one of the greatest poets and musicians

of all time fuck a genre fuck a music KRS is one of the greatest of all time and I think and I think that you're not going to

understand his position on it unless you understand hip hop But we have to defend Karras That's what I'm saying man When he wrote that op-ed Right He had just come off

That long ass cruise From here to Spain Like it's so Because he don't fly Yeah he don't fly Yeah he don't fly Which is another crazy thing We explained that on the show

It was like crazy because You know I like Karras one Nah man That's my hero Like let me just tell you That's my hero This nigga This nigga

This nigga Besides that one small piece It was that small piece That whole show was amazing This interview was excellent But you know There's certain people That want to focus on that

And you know what They have the right to Because we're all public figures People can Just like this interview We got some dope shit And we're going to go Into some doper shit

But people can take and pick Which they want to do I can't wait to see what's coming I might have said Something out of pocket That's wrong No it's fantastic Don't worry about it It's going to be want to do. I can't wait to see what's going to... I might have said something out of pocket that's wrong. No, it's fantastic. Don't worry about it. It's going to be great. I love it. I can't wait. Because you know what? I'm ironclad.

I'm able to defend my positions on every fucking... I love that. Did you say ironclad? Ironclad. What does that mean? Hardcore. Ain't nothing going to get through. Can I take ironclad? I thought that was harder. I thought that was harder. And I gonna do a while I thought that was harder

And I'm gonna say what that means A new vocab Right Yeah I'm gonna say what that means So now listen You said it earlier Watching this Chris Park

You said it very Like nonchalantly That's where you met Dave Chappelle at? Um No I met Dave Chappelle I was working at Akira Books

Yeah you had a lot of jobs Yeah I was a Jamaican Yeah Let's make some noise. Yeah, you had a lot of jobs. Yeah, I was a Jamaican. Yeah, let's make some noise for Todd Libb having a lot of jobs. But not Jamaican. Make some noise! And I was dating a girl who shall remain nameless. And she had just broken up with Dave Chappelle. Wait, hold on, hold on.

That's hard, that's hard. And she used to talk about him. And I used to be like, fuck that nigga. Did she say he was funny? She was a hater? I was a hater. Let's make some noise

for Tyler. That's really fucking awesome. The only shit that Dave Chappelle did at this time was Nutty Professor. He was Reggie. Oh, he was the dude

with the braids. And I used to be like, did they get Reggie and did they get the piano nigga? He was Reggie. Oh, he was the dude with the braids. Right. And I used to be like, the nigga Reggie and the nigga in the piano, nigga? Right. He was funny as shit. Him? The nigga in the piano? The piano nigga.

Him? He was hating on the piano nigga. Fuck the piano nigga. The nigga in the piano. Not Buddy Love. Right. Not Buddy Love. The piano nigga.

The piano nigga. He got one scene. She said yes. I said, look, she broke up with me and went, I think she went back with the nigga after that. Just keep it going. Keep it going. A couple years later. Blow her up.

What's her name again? You said her name earlier. She shall remain nameless. You foul. Yeah, I'm foul. Definitely. He knows who I am. A couple years later, Corey Smith used to manage De La Soul.

Okay. Dave Chappelle lived in Yellow Springs. He grew up in Yellow Springs, Ohio. De La Soul had Dave Chappelle Lived in Yellow Springs He grew up in Yellow Springs, Ohio De La Soul had a show Near there I went to the show I was fucking with

Hot Tech in Cincinnati Big up Hot Tech Yeah I rode up to the show Dave Chappelle was at The De La Soul show And I saw him I said You and me

Used to deal with The same chick By this time He had did Half Big though He had did Half Big He had did Half Big Was it out? It was out It was out And it was a cult classic So this time he had did Half Baked though. He had did Half Baked. Was it out? It was out. It was out and it was a

cult classic. So this time I'm like Dave Chappelle, I fuck with you. You and me fuck with the same chick but I fucks with you. And he said really? And I told him the story. I used to see him in the hallway and all that but he didn't know who I was. He was like okay. And then we was

cool. Then a couple years later, I was in Electric Lady working on the album of High Tech. Electric Lady on A Street. Of course I know Electric Lady. You know, this is crazy because I've just seen

AZ do a documentary and he's speaking about Electric Lady. Right. Because you guys was trying to be Jimi Hendrix. Jimi Hendrix.

Keep it real. Keep it real. But when I was working on Electric Lady, I was on the top floor. Common was on the second floor working on Like Water for Chocolate with J.D.

Yeah, well, you remember that white cat? Yeah, I used to want to shoot that white cat. They had a white cat and an electric lady. I remember the white chicks. Mary.

No, no. A real cat or a person? No, a cat. They had a cat. You know? Come on, Tyler. You know what the fuck I'm talking about.

They had a white cat. The cat used to just look at me like, yo, I'm a straight. I used to have a gun on me. I'm still... You're a kitten killer I used to have a gun on me I'm still You're a kitten killer I was gonna kill that cat Yo it's right

Yo it's a white cat And they used to always say That's Jimi Hendrix They used to always say That's the cat's name Yeah the cat's name is Jimi Jimi Listen

First of all Hold on You guys are crazy Listen First of all This is Jimi Hendrix The spirit of Jimi Hendrix Was in the cat So they said The spirit is Jimi Hendrix's This is Jimi Hendrix's studio The spirit of Jimi Hendrix

Was in the cat So they said The spirit of Jimi Hendrix That's right Was in this cat You fucked me up with that You about to kill him I used to go to the bathroom

And you know You can't ask I used to go with mad homies So you can't ask your homies Walk me to the bathroom So that's the only thing I used to look at you like And the cat is like

I'm like Nigga what the fuck That cat I'm gonna shoot this cat That cat was in the Was in the studio When I worked on Reflection Eternal

Train of Thought He's in every studio Common was like Like whatever chocolate D'Angelo was downstairs In the basement We were gonna root him I kid you not

All this at the same time And this is They say that's Jimi Hendrix They say Cause you know that Jimi Hendrix had owned the studio Had owned I swear to God

I've never told this story Before in my life I haven't thought about that cat In 20 years And you know This is why I know The cat is special I'm allergic to cats

I never broke out When I went to the studio I did Bad From TV there Bad From TV Was recorded in Electric Lady So I forgot What point you was making But you was in Electric Lady No I was in Electric Lady So if you listen TV was recorded in Electric Lady. So I forgot what point you was making, but you was in Electric Lady.

No, I was in Electric Lady. So if you listen to the Reflection of the Eternal album, you hear drops, right? There was this girl that I knew that was dating Lennox Lewis at the time. We still on the Chappelle, right? She brought Lennox Lewis to the studio. So if you listen to Reflection of the Eternal album. Wait, so you was dating Lennox Lewis' girl again? Yo, what kind of nigga are you, Tyler?

Lennox Lewis is there? That's not what I said. I thought that's what you said. That's what you implied? And then Lennox Lewis is there? Is that what I said? I thought that's what you said. She brought Lennox Lewis to the studio. That's your homegirl. My homegirl. Not your girl. No, not my girl.

Oh, he said it like that's my girl, but like a homegirl. I don't know. I don't know. I think he said it the right way the first time. He wasn't cocky, man. He wasn't cocky. That's right. Get his shit out.

Wait, I don't know. I don't know. He got his glasses on. I can't tell tree I don't know I don't know He got his glasses on I can't tell He got the sideways smile When we said he's got it He's very professional He's very professional

If you listen to Reflection Eternal albums Lennox Lewis He does one, two, three, four Reflection Eternal Gil Scott Heron Is on a Reflection Eternal album He came to the studio

He had a problem with that He came to the studio Dave Chappelle I'm walking down the street On A Street Going to go like Grace Papaya Grace Papaya on the Reflection Eternal album. He came to the studio. You had a problem with that. He came to the studio. Continue, continue. Dave Chappelle. I'm walking down the street on 8th Street going to go like Grace Papayas. Grace Papayas.

You know what I'm saying? That's the hot dog spot for those that don't know. I see Dave Chappelle. I said, remember me from the Daylight Show? He said, yeah. I said, I'm working on an album.

He came to the studio. Dave Chappelle came every day after that day. So when you hear Rick James and Nelson Mandela opening the reflection that's Dave Chappelle doing all that you're saying yeah that's Dave Chappelle did not know this yeah he came through and every day when we were me high tech did that album Dave Chappelle was in the

studio every day for that album but this is beef this was right when half half the half baked this after half so you know he's funny crack it we don't know he's that but this was this was no Chappelle show, none of that. Right, right, right. So then how did that happen? Autumn years later, he starts the Chappelle show. Because you guys were performing for him, like, even before his show blew up. Yeah, y'all seemed like a family.

No, he was in the studio for all that. He was an electric lady around all that time. And so he got the show. And shout out to Corey Smith once again. Corey Smith, big love. He had a good relationship. He got a deal with Comedy Central. He said, I so he got the show. And shout out to Corey Smith once again. Corey Smith, big love. He had a good relationship. He got a deal with Comedy Central.

He said, I want to do this show, Chappelle's show. One of his visions was, I want to have the musicians that I fuck with. And didn't you perform in the kitchens one time?

That was Common and Kanye. Oh, okay. With the food. With the food. Yeah, okay. So he had, I did Get By. You know what I'm saying?

He had Big Boy. He had CeeLo. He had DMX. Right. You did Two Words too. By. You know what I'm saying? He had Big Boy. He had CeeLo. He had DMX. Right. You did Two Words, too. Y'all performed that there. Yeah, with Most and Freeway. Freeway, yeah.

Whatever Dave listened to at the time, that's what he had on his show. That's hot. You know what I'm saying? He was into hip hop. And then when he did Block Party, Block Party, it was the best star. That was Lauryn Hill was there. That was the Fugees. In Brooklyn. Yeah. Dave paid for Hill. That was the Fugees. In Brooklyn.

Yeah. Dave paid for that. He paid for that. We filmed it, and then he sold it to the movie company. So he didn't know if he was going to sell it. No, we just did it. He just did it. And I made royalties off of that for years.

I can't remember my last royalty check, but for years, I made money off of Block Party. It worked. So it was revolutionary. Yeah. So it's like, okay, as a black man, I'm going to do my own shit. I'm going to own it. I'm going to put it out. So the nigga girl, you was fucking kept it real with you.

High five. High five. Come on. Make some noise for Todd Lynn. I don't know why. I'm going to fix about making some noise. It worked out for him. That is awful, God damn it.

Go on. That's awful. I'm regretting about making some noise. It worked out for him. That is awful, God damn it. Go on. That's awful. I'm regretting that I came out. So now let me ask you this. You meet Dave. He's a regular guy. You're a regular guy. You guys both become stars.

He makes you a part of the show. Then all of a sudden he quits. Did you ever call him about that? Yeah, I was hanging out with Dave around a lot at that time At the time he quit? Yeah He was in a situation where He felt compromised

He felt like the money that he took And the money that he accepted Made him They was taking advantage of him Like a cornering way? Yeah A lot of the skits that Dave did.

The content. A lot of skits. Everybody loved Dave Chappelle. Right. But not everybody understood Dave Chappelle. Like, and I'm hearing, this is a rumor that I heard,

I'm hearing that it was from black folks. Like Oprah and people who were calling him. I can't speak on what that man was talking about. Okay, yeah, yeah. But from what I observed,

I think that his comedy, Dave Chappelle's comedy, like the best comedy, was very intellectual. People didn't understand the nuance of it. Dave Chappelle comes from educated people. He comes from black academia. He comes from heady ideas and

intellectualism, but it's broken down in a comedy way. And a lot of people got the funniness of it, but didn't get the point. And I think that started to fuck with him. I heard Prince is really nice and ball. Yeah, Prince is, but even on some like Prince. I heard you got a Prince story. I got several Prince stories. Come on, man.

Come on, man. God damn it. Come on. Hold on. Let me get the horn. I got Prince. We got someone's Prince right here. All right. Hold on, let me get the horn. We got a summons prince right here. All right, hold on.

We got to set this up. All right, so hold on, time out. Top Hit Kweli from Brooklyn. Did we just switch it up? Yeah, we always switch it up. Drink Chef is horrible, man. It is horrible. But this is my, I'm not cutting off.

I'm actually, I haven't cut him off yet. No, you just. No, man, I see he's storing it. I swear, because, you know, you from Brooklyn but I see He's starting I swear Because you know You from Brooklyn Yes You had Flat push all day

You had 1500 jobs Before you were 16 1500 jobs Choose one You become an MC Prince I don't give a fuck If you a killer

I don't give a fuck If you a backpack I don't give a fuck If you who is Prince is God To all of us As far as making music And art Music and creativity Yes that's right Culture And just fine as broads Yep I don't give a fuck if you who is. Prince is God to all of us. As far as making music and art.

Music and creativity. Yes, that's right. Culture. And just fine as broads. Yep. And your first time meeting Prince. We need to describe this. First of all, shout out to DJ Q, my wife, DJ Q.

I like how you big up your wife. God damn it. High five. That's real. High five. Real shit. Let's make some noise for that. Yeah.

I met her in L.A., right? Yes, you did. In a stretch, Armstrong. Yes, she was there. All right, yep, cut. Continue. She's a world-class, famous DJ, and Prince got to liken her DJ skills.

She became a DJ. You let your wife work with Prince? This is not starting out good. This is not starting out good. Oh, man. I'm not going to lie. I'm a jealous guy. Prince, listen, Prince, you've got to get the fuck away. My wife is not doing out good I'm not gonna lie I'm a jealous guy Prince Listen Prince

You gotta get the fuck away My wife is not doing Your makeup nigga I'm sorry She's not doing Your makeup nigga Hold up Prince Hey I'm sorry

She was DJing At his parties You know what I'm saying And by this time When I met Prince The first time I met Prince Was at maybe House of Blues LA

She was DJing Did he float? No he didn't levitate To float He didn't levitate. He had a segway. He had a segway back then. Prince knew his hip-hop when I first met him.

But he knew a certain type of hip-hop. He knew like common. He liked common and what I am. He was into something. He liked hip-hop, but he liked hip-hop that was a little bit more organic. He liked Lauryn Hill and you know,

like Common. Like, he really liked Common a lot. You know, like, he's a Common fan. You know what I'm saying? And Common is one of my favorite MCs.

Did Common work with him at all? I don't know if Common, Common might have worked with Prince. You know what I'm saying? But, he liked Erykah Badu a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like,

Prince, I met him. Like eccentric shit. Yeah, I guess, yeah. So, when I met him,

he said, I like that, he said, I like that one song, you got Hot Thing. You know what I'm saying? I haven't saw Will.i.am, Hot Thing, yeah. So when I met him, he said, I like that one song you got, Hot Thing. You know what I'm saying? I saw Will.i.am, Hot Thing. Will.i.am was on the hook. Of course.

And he liked Will.i.am and Black Eyed Peas and all that type of shit. I started just hanging out, doing parties. You know, my wife would do parties. Prince would show up at the parties. He would just show up. Hold on. How does this happen? Does Prince, does smoke come in when he walks in?

It's a basketball. Like, yeah, I mean, no, no, no, I'm serious. Prince will walk in the party. Got to get him to Dave Chappelle's. He'll walk in the party. You know, I went to a party once in L.A. What's that club that's across the street from the Beverly Center? The club that's across the street from the Beverly Center?

That's the name of it. Yeah. Prince walked in. The club ended, and Kept a bunch of us In the club And At gunpoint No not at gunpoint

But he's Prince He just gave the look Almost gunpoint And everybody stayed Eye point At eye point He pulled out a little bible Wait no

Prince brought a bible To the club He's a Jehovah's Witness Yeah yeah Hella religious Wait And Jehovah's Witness They get down like that

They bring bibles to the club? And he started having Bible study at the club. He don't drink. He don't remember. At three in the morning. Was niggas drinking? There was no niggas there. All right.

It was only women. And me, because my wife was his DJ. So I was the only nigga. And there was one other dude who was a boyfriend of one of the other girls. So it was Prince and me and this other dude. All right, don't pass it. This is other niggas. Pass it back me and this other dude. All right, don't pass it. This is other niggas. Pass it back to me when you finish.

All right, go ahead. I got you. And this other dude, Prince was caught in the Bible. He was caught in the Bible. And this other dude tried to say something smart. And now this other dude, he's not with Prince. No. Okay, yeah.

He just happened to be there. He tried to say something. And Prince, I'll never forget this. Prince said, listen, I know you think that you're saying something to add on to the conversation, but you really, you know what I'm saying? From what you're saying, I can tell you don't know what you're talking about. So how about you just

not participate in the conversation? Was Prince about the whippin' nigga ass? I'm asking you, wasn't he? He politely told him, you don't know the fuck you're talking about. Did Prince have on heels? No, he did not. He's a gangster. He did not. I've been to several clubs with Prince.

Prince had Chuck Taylor on. Let's keep going with the Prince stories. I went to a club. Have you ever been to Zini? In LA? I know. They used to have the party called Zini. I had Big Zini before. Big Zini, man. My bad.

At 2 o'clock in the morning, the clubs in L.A. close. All right. Yes, that's a fact. And then this dude used to have this party called Zini. We rented a warehouse.

He used to rent the Muppet Studios, Jim Henson. Right? I need to know these type of people, Talib. Come on, party with me. I'm bad.

He hanging out with Big Bird. Big Bird. I was with Ernie and Bert and shit. You know what I'm saying? But he used to have these parties, but they used to bring the alcohol. And they used to set up stages

and have go-go dances. And all the celebrities used to go and all the basketball players and you know what I'm saying? Like that type of party. It's like Illuminati shit. It was Illuminati. He's definitely Illuminati.

I was with Talib in LA. Prince called my wife and he said, where the party at And we said We at Zini He said I'm coming And this nigga just rolled up

So I told I had the privilege To tell him to promote I said listen I'm bringing Prince I got a Justin Bieber story When you finish Yeah

I'm bringing Prince How the hell is Justin Bieber And Prince going together Because Justin Bieber said that What Prince ain't the only nigga around, nigga. Remember this? No, I didn't.

I don't remember this. We're going to get into that. We're going to get into that later. Wait, wait, wait. Let's finish this. Let's finish this. Let's finish this. My fans hate when they cut us off.

They'll be like, you let your biggest finish this story. Finish that story, please. So Prince came in the club, all right? And the girl was dancing. And he said, this party's great, but why is she up there dancing with no clothes on? She had clothes on. She had things covered. But's great but why is she up there dancing with no clothes on? She had clothes on.

She had things covered. But he said, why is she? It don't need to be that. This is Jehovah's Witness Prince. Right, right. This is not the Last Dragon Prince.

This is not like Purple Rain Prince. Definitely not the Purple Rain Prince. What was the chick from Last Dragon? Lake Minnetonka Prince. Prince used to be

Buck Wilde back in the days. In the 80s, he was out of control. So I said, listen, he asked me to introduce him to the party promoter. I introduced him. And he said, he explained to me. He said, listen, these girls, they bring business. People buy drinks.

Prince said, let me talk to her. What? He tried to convert her. Let me talk to her. I need to hear this. You know what I'm saying? The girl, he talked to the girl. The girl didn't know who Prince was.

She's a young chick. Young chick dancing in a club. She might have heard the name Prince, but she didn't know who Prince was. She's a young chick. Young chick dancing in a club. She might have heard the name Prince, but she didn't know. She's gonna die tonight. This is a long time ago. I'm telling an old story.

This is an old story. He bites her, she turns, and that's what happened. He said, how much are they paying you to dance with your clothes off? She said the number. He said, I'll pay you double to get down off that stage.

Go home. Let's make some noise to Prince being a trick. That's what's up. That's it. Yo, wait. Is that reverse pimping? That's reverse pimping right there.

He said, go home, put your clothes on. Prince invented reverse pimping. She said, I'll take your money tonight, but what am I going to do tomorrow night?

That's what this girl said to Prince. I want to hear his response. What was his response? He said, I don't have no control over that. That's real pimping. That's pimping right there. That is pimping right there. Bitch, we're feeling it now.

I got you tonight. Tomorrow you're on your own, motherfucker. I'm not going to quote him verbatim. You know what I'm saying? Besides that one line. Besides that one line. He didn't say that verbatim. But beyond that, he basically explained to her.

He was like, listen, I'm giving you an opportunity to make a different decision in your life. You know what I'm saying? And I watched him explain to this girl and talk to this girl. And I knew from the way that she was talking to him that she didn't understand the legacy. She didn't understand. She was just like, okay, yeah, whatever. Prince had an album

coming with like three bitches butt naked on top of him, right? Maybe some dudes. And everybody thought he was gay. No, what did you say? No, he had some dudes. Yeah, he had dudes. I wasn't ready for your answer.

What the fuck is that? Prince is, you know, the Prince is God, man. Yeah, he stuck to his guns. Right. And he understood every artist. And me and Nori, the fact that we even here doing drink champs. Right.

Smoking weed. Talking about Prince. Me and Nori. Bigger than Prince. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. We understand that every artist got contradictions. Yeah, nah.

That's the nature of being an artist. Yeah, it's true. Jairus won. It's true. The person that we revere. Right. Is the most contradictory artist. Oh, of all time.

Ever. But that's part of being human, like you said, being human. Because all human beings got contradictions. Artists, our contradictions is amplified. Right. Because people pay more attention. You know what I'm saying? But everybody got contradictions.

Artists, we create out of our contradiction. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. But Prince was like Jesus, man. Listen, let me tell you something. I've never, like, Billy Dee Williams transcended for me.

Like, what I mean by that is like Billy Dee Williams, Eddie Murphy, Prince, and Michael Jackson was people who were like, you know, I grew up in a different, you know, a different time. I like that he threw Billy Dee Williams in. That's a hood nigga that threw Billy Dee Williams in

when Michael Jackson and Prince and then they said Billy Dee Williamson. That's a hood nigga that threw Billy Dee Williamson when Michael Jackson and Prince, and then they said Billy Dee Williams. Those were certain people. No, those were certain people to me. No, Colt 45. Yeah, Colt 45. I still drink Colt 45. Let's try out the cheeseburger, baby.

Let's try out the cheeseburger, baby. I know it's a reference. Cheeseburger, baby. I still go in and drink. Calrissian is secondary. I mean, that's first in my book. That's a smooth smooth dynamite taste. Nah, but you know, for those

four individuals right there, those are the people who transcended life for me. They was the people that, no, no, no, let's keep it over here. That's right, I'm sorry. Yeah, let's keep it over here. So, those are the people that transcended their life for me. What I mean by that is like, you know, as a black person growing up young in my life, I can't

describe anybody else here or anybody in my life. It was like those are the people that said, you can't do this, you can't do that. And they did it. And I was just like, I always looked at them as like, I ain't I ain't got to be like them. But I respect that. And that's why when I met with people like Pharrell, it was easy for me to say I don't understand you And I don't really I don't really get Where you're going at

But your music is fucking banging How did you meet Pharrell? That's how I met Pharrell Oh, he's the best Well, how I met Pharrell We was in Sound on Sound Studios Sound on Sound, yeah

Everybody used to think Biggie used to be called At Daddy's house Something happened at Daddy's house I don't remember But yeah. Everybody used to think Biggie used to be called at Daddy's House. Something happened at Daddy's House. I don't remember. But Big used to come to Sound on Sound Studios. And he used to have upstairs or I used to have downstairs.

And I used to see Biggie, after the War Report, I used to see Biggie like almost every day. I'm working on NRE. And a friend of mine's, he was my manager at the time I believe Martin Moore I was about to say

Who he confused about Martin Moore From NYU NYU Yeah yeah yeah I got a Martin Moore story On the Wu-Tang album Because that's part of my career

We're going to get to that I used to go up to do A NYU show when I was 14 People don't realize The skits on the Wu-Tang Nah I used to be up there With NYU With the stickers

And all that shit So he discovered me He's the guy that got me signed. But Martin Moore said to me, he said, yo, these dudes, they up here, they trying to work with Puff. And so I was like, all right, cool. I had the N-O-R-E.

I had the N-O-R-E. Noreen, Samson, I don't remember. The whole album was done. It's like a kind of trilogy. Yeah, yeah. So he comes to Sound on Sound, and he goes And I just remember

I met some dude in Canada just now Reminding me of Pharrell He was trying to be Pharrell But he reminded me of Pharrell Because his inner attitude Not the attitude that he was trying to show me But his inner attitude But Pharrell actually came up to me and said

Yo Nobody never listens to me And I was like That was awkward That was his first sentence, nobody never listens to me. I was like, that was awkward. That was his first sentence. Nobody never listens to me. The person that does is going to go through the roof. And I'm walking, I'm hot, but I'm like something in my body said,

shut up, and listen to this guy. So I listen, and he goes, the first person that listens to me, I've worked with other people. And then he starts quoting Bloody Money to me You know what I'm saying And I was like damn

I was like alright cool You know I'm looking at him He don't look like a Bloody Money type of guy He's not supposed to be knowing that song Off the album Man I used to love that album The War Report That basement I was just telling you about

That's what I used to listen to Capone and Norie album The War Report That basement I was just Telling you about That's what I used to listen to Capone and Noriega The War Report Your toddler How old are you You're like 900 years old We the same age I'm 40

I'm 40 this year Right And it's my best year of my life Best year of my life I'm enjoying the fuck out of 40 Listen 40 I can't wait to see what 41 feel like This is incredible I'm about to be 41 He gave. Listen, 40? I can't wait to see what 41 feel like. This is incredible.

I'm about to be 41. Look, EFN, he gave you a five, but he wasn't really with you like that. He started thinking about you. No, no, no. I'm good with my age, dog. No, the one with what, dog? I keep my grades. You look like honey with a beard. Or my whites, or whatever it is.

Nah, yeah. So, EFN, let me just ask you. Are you going to get men's club? Yo, let me tell you some weird shit that happened. I'm fucking with you. Nah, real talk. I would like to hear it. I was with my girl.

We went to the casino. Let's pick up your girl. Let's make some noise for your fan girl. We took her grandma to the casino for Mother's Day. Took your grandma? Her grandma. Okay, God bless. Because, you know, she wanted to go play the joints.

So I go into the bathroom and some dude, I think he's Jamaican. Where's Drain at? I think he's Jamaican. Did you? I don't know. He had an accent. I couldn't place the accent.

It was some island. It could have been Canada? I don't know. I'm there. I'm washing my hands and the dude walks in and he just looks at me and he said,

you're not going to dye your beard? That's his first... That's what he said to me. Were you at the urinal? No, no, no. I'm washing my hands at this point. No, I would have been mad awkward at the urinal. And I said, no, I don't like it.

I don't like to dye. I don't like none of that shit. Right. He's like, really? But mad, like pensive. Like he's thinking about this shit. Because he was thinking about dyeing his shit. And he's older than me. his shit Man he's older than me

I can tell he's older than me Right So I'm like Alright cool Is that it Cause I'm outta here bro And then he's like Looks good man

I'm like Alright man I'm outta here You saved his life that night You gave him confidence I don't know what happened And let his die just fade out Gave him confidence He looked at me crazy man know what happened And let his Let his dodges fade out Give him confidence He looked at me crazy man

That's my story So when's the last time You spoke to Yassin Bey I know that Yassin Bey About a month ago I went out to South Africa Wait hold on

Time out Let's make some noise For him flossing us One more time I went out to see Yassin You know I went out to hang out With him

Mr. Ferrari Shepherd And you know Yassin Bey is You, I went out to hang out with him, Mr. Ferrari Shepard. And, you know, Yassin Bey is, you know, he's a beautiful dude. Like, this dude is like, you know, he's like, you know, he's Muslim. Right. And a lot of his music and his dance has to do with incorporating Islam, trying to figure out the living as a Muslim, but living in today's society. So he can't come back to America? I can't speak on his situation at this particular time,

but I know that he hasn't wanted to be in America for a long time. He doesn't want to come out here. Yeah, regardless of his particular political situation in South Africa, as you notice, he ain't been here in a minute. Right. He can still travel to to London And shit like that Do shows Okay

Yeah And I think that he Paul I'm appalled Be quiet Come on You know He is somebody who

Exists completely And totally Outside Of the music business Right He exists as an artist Like fuck the business He exists as an artist. Like, fuck the business.

He exists as an artist, as a creative spirit. Like the epitome of an artist. This is real. This is real. I'm not Muslim. What are you? I respect Islam.

I respect Islam. I respect people, anybody who search for truth. What would you claim if somebody were to ask you? I'm just me, you know. I recognize the God in all of us. I like that. If you recognize the God in yourself, I recognize the God in you.

You see? So you're everything. Yeah. I'm every religion. Yeah. And I'm every gang, too. Yeah. Jesus Christ, that's a lot of beef.

No, but that's how you got to be. Whoever I'm hanging with, I'm a vice lord. I'm a voice lord. If you understand the one I'm a decepticon He understand the Unkar The theory of the one

He's every gang I'm everything Everything I'm everything And I'm nothing But this is how Yassin Bey Like I went out there

And he's I'm talking to him And he's quoting verses From the Quran And like Now in South Africa Did y'all stay in huts No

No man South Africa's mad developed South Africa's the most Developed stay in huts? No. No, man. South Africa's mad developed. South Africa's the most developed country. There's a W out there? No, there's no W. There's no W. There's something like it, though, for sure. Invite me when a W is built.

Listen, there's some nice hotels and some nice spots that I'm not going to blow up. Western? No. They got a whole different system. All right. Can you name me one hotel that I might recognize? Otherwise, South Africa, I love y'all. There's no chains

South Africa's dope I'm staying in my ass There's chains There's chain hotels You can go to a Sheraton Sheraton Sheraton Let's make some noise

Sheraton I can fuck with a Sheraton I'm an SPG You're an SPG I can fuck with I'm an SPG Star Wars Star Wars

Yeah yeah that's right I can fuck with a Sheraton You can get a Star Wars But it better not be Four points Sheraton That's a difference That's a difference I don't wanna fuck with Four points But but You can get a Star Wars. But it better not be four points, Sheridan. That's a difference. That's a difference. I don't want to fuck with four points.

Four points, they'll still let the police run in your room. No, I'm going to put you on to the boutique hotels and to the official spots. Yes, you have to. Outside of the SPG. You have to. You're very rich. I can tell by the way you just put that together. He's well versed.

Can somebody get me a cigar? I'm not rich. I'm not rich. No, no, no. I'm a working class MC who figured out I've cracked the code. I've seen J. Rude the Damager. You know what's funny about you saying that? What?

When I say I'm a working class MC, the image that I picture in my mind is J. Rude the Damager. Yo, listen. You know what I'm saying? Listen. Let me tell you something. I've seen J. Rude the Damager. I knew he was going to get drunk. He's my man.

Right? He gets bent. You know that. I know. He drinks Hennessy. Yo, my nigga. Me? He gets bent. You know that. I know. He drinks Hennessy. Me and J. Rude didn't get here for the same block. I said, yo, J. Rude,

where you been at? That nigga said, man, I just stay in Europe. I get this money. The nigga said, where you been at? He pulled out a passport. That shit look like

a phone book, my nigga. Let me explain. Let me blow this nigga's spot. This nigga J. Rude did damage and live in Berlin. Listen, I went to Berlin Alright Big up Berlin You know what I'm saying

My grimy people Respect Respect You go to You see a post Hold on You see posters For this nigga

Everywhere Who gave that nigga That horn That horn is terrible Hold on Did you hear that horn I did One two three

I'm sorry I'm sorry J. Rude One, two, three. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. J. Ruda Jammer to live in Berlin. I'm sorry. We needed a proper horn for you, Tyler. J. Ruda getting

that Berlin one. We wasn't going to let them give you a fake horn. I'm sorry. J. Ruda getting that fucking tear down the wall money. Yeah, man.

That nigga's passport was like this. No. The first time I went to South Africa, I went with J. Ruda to damage you. That nigga's passport was like this. No. The first time I went to South Africa, I went with J. Ruda Damager. J. Ruda was there?

I went with J. Ruda Damager. He was there? I'll be in certain countries. I'll be in like Croatia or some shit. I'll be in a club. J. Ruda will just

pull up to me and tap me on the shoulder. I think J. Ruda was a friend of Croatia. J. Ruda lived in Malmo. He lived in Malmo, Sweden. Yeah, he lives somewhere over there. Malmo is a half hour from Copenhagen, Denmark.

If you go to Malmo in Sweden, you hang out with J-Roe from Alcoholics. But this is a fraternity of working class MCs that are all over the world. I know where all they at. I know where they at. I travel the world. I see them. J-Roe. What's your man? Elder Sensei from Artif at. I travel the world. I see them. J-Roll. What's your man?

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Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN. Why do like y'all revolution, because like I would consider you a revolutionary activist hip hop type of guy, right? But like y'all biggest crowds is white people. How does that happen? Because white people have money, and they can afford to come to the concert. And they can afford to not give a fuck.

Niggas in the hood don't have money. They can't go to concerts. They just be in the hood. White people be like, they look in the Village Voice, and they look in the Time Out New York, and they be like, I want to go to a concert. I have some extra money to spend. I'm going to go to a concert.

I like Talak Wali. He's a good show. But, you know, that's a good thing. Close the door. Close the door. That's a good thing. Because hip-hop music is folk music.

It don't matter if you're white, black, Jupiterian. You know what I'm saying I've never heard that word Jupiter I'm speaking Jupiter Ian I'm with you my nigga let me get a high five you get a high five you could turn a federation to understand sounds right up Noriega language I'm using it Jupiter Ian go ahead continue hip-hop speak in the language that people speak right now you say so hip-hop the reason hip-hop is united the language that people speak right now You know what I'm saying? So hip-hop The reason Hip-hop has united more cultures than any music

Than any Fuck music Hip-hop has united more cultures Than any force Anything in the history of the planet More white people Black people Brown people

Yellow people Red people Get together over hip-hop music Than anything You know what I'm saying? Right Because hip-hop speak in a language that we all speak in. It's speaking a language that's going on right now.

So when Nori came out, like, what, what, what, what, what, what, that's what niggas was on the street saying at the time. Right. I was a foul nigga. That's true. That's what niggas was saying. Tell them. And whatever niggas is saying right now,

whether it be Panda or whatever, whatever is going on, that's what's happening right now. And it make it to a record Right. Whatever is going on. That's what's happening right now. And make it to a record. Country music is like that. Definitely like that. Folk music was like that, but folk music is not a popular art form like it was in the 70s. Right.

But country music is like that. Besides country music, and I don't fuck with country music. I'm not a country music fan. But I recognize, real recognize, real. You know what I'm not a country music fan But I recognize Real recognize real You know what I'm saying The country music is about struggle It's about white people struggle

American And they're big storytellers In the music Yeah yeah People love that It's beautiful Yeah And it's similar to hip hop

In that regard But hip hop is our shit You know what I'm saying That's right Hip hop is our shit Golf Brooks and them niggas Yeah They got a struggle Yeah That country music That's Golf Brooks and them niggas. Yeah. They got to struggle.

Yeah. Like country music, that's golf Brooks. That's country music, right? Their horse ran away? Yeah. I'm playing, I'm playing. It's definitely their version of reality. You know what I'm saying?

Nah, country music. It's music. I'm going to tell you what it is. I'm going to keep it all the way. You want to keep it all the way here since we don't drink champs? Okay. It's music made by uneducated people. There you go.

Right there, brother. And I'm not saying uneducated as a judgment. He was about to take some of that Dame Dash whiskey. By the way, you people out there, let people know we got Dame Dash whiskey on the table. Yes, and we representing for you Dame Dash. Shout out to Dame Dash. That's my nigga, man.

Now, I heard a rumor that even before... No, but let me... Before you get into that let me just qualify my statement before i'm gonna look at it when i say uneducated i'm not meaning a diss i mean people that don't receive the standard westernized traditional education you know what i'm saying like niggas might have dropped out of high school but could still run the world bill gates didn't graduate from college but still made a lot of money you know what i'm saying like When I say

uneducated, it's not a judgment. But there's white people in the South that didn't have the traditional education. You know what I'm saying? Even the term nigger. Even the word nigger. It's too political for us, Tyler. We're going to change the subject. Real quick, real quick. Even the term nigger was

white people not understanding how to pronounce the Spanish word negro. Negro. So nigga, it was nigra. Negro, negro. Because a lot of the South was owned by Spain for the longest. Right, right, right. So it became nigger over time.

That's where the word nigga come from. It come from not having a Western standardized education. You know what I'm saying? So when I say uneducated, it's not the dis-nobody. So, okay. All right, so now, we heard a rumor that Kanye, I think Kanye's first feature was like with you. Is that correct?

Yeah, I used to fuck with Kanye back in the days, way before. Does that mean you don't fuck with him now? No, yeah, no. The way you just said it. Kanye's my nigga. Oh, okay. I'm a Kanye West fan. So what was the first time

You met Kanye? The first time I met Kanye I was working on my quality album The album that Get By is on I was in Platinum Island Studios He came through no idea or no? Platinum Island Studios Wyclef used to own that

It's like on 40th Right down the block From DVD Palace That's Platinum Studios That's Platinum Okay so what studio did you say? Platinum Island Platinum Studios. That's Platinum. Okay, so what studio did you say? Platinum Island,

which was Ken Duro Eiffel. Duro? Duro. Oh, okay. With Clue. DJ Clue's people. Right. Duro used to be

the head engineer at Platinum Island. Platinum Island was in the same building or across the same, next door to the car room, was next door to Raucous. Okay.

Oh, way downtown. Right. Right, right. Thank you. I'm working at Platinum Island Studios. Cotton room It was next door To Raucous Okay Oh I Way downtown Right Right right Thank you I'm working at Platinum Island Studios Uh huh And Kanye West

Come through the door Now I'm doing a session For my quality album And I'm waiting on Most Def to show up Because Most Def We have a song on my Quality album called Joy

I'm rapping about my kids And my kids birth And Most Def is on it It took him a long time To record this verse By this time he was Doing movies He was blowing up So I'm trying to get In touch with him's birth and Mos Def is on it. It took him a long time to record this verse. By this time he was doing movies, he was blowing up. So I'm trying to get in touch with him. It was hard to get in touch with him. Kanye came through the door. I never seen this nigga, never heard this nigga.

He said, I'm here to meet Mos Def. I said, well guess what? He might not show up. But who are you? He said, Mos Def told me to meet him here. I got some beats. I said, play me the beats. I'm working on an album. All right. Kanye played me the beats. Every beat that Kanye played me, he played me four beats that night.

All them beats made it to my album. All right. Let's make some noise for Kanye being a savage. I said, yo. I said, who? I said, now, them beats. Kanye. You the nigga.

That's why he got an ego. Because nigga came in He pissed you four You bought four It's all Talib's fault From now on Every time Kanye Do anything fucked up

We blaming Talib Make some noise For Talib being the reason I couldn't believe How good these beats was Because I had never heard of him So I'm like How have I never heard of you

And your beats and this quality? He told me, he said I did beats on D-Dot, Angeletti album. The Mad Rapper. Mad Rapper, yeah.

I did beats on Jermaine Dupri album, 1472. I didn't even know that. I did beats on Beanie Seagull. He told me he did The Truth and then

The Reason. The Truth, yep. All that Beanie Seagull shit. When he did The Truth and then The Reason The Truth yep all that Beanie Seagull shit when he said that that's when I was like play me some shit so he did the

Gorilla Monsoon rap The Good To You The Goodbye all that shit on the Quality album and I just was and then when I went on tour

Common was on tour doing Electric Circus I was the open to act Kanye was like I'm trying to get my music out there niggas ain't fucking with me I said come on tour doing Electric Circus. I was the opening act. Kanye was like, I'm trying to get my music out there. Niggas ain't fucking with me. I said, come on tour with me. He came on tour with me.

He came out every time. Wait, wait, you brought Kanye on tour? I brought Kanye on my tour. Let's make some noise for Taleb bringing Kanye on tour. Kanye, how dare you do a tour without inviting my nigga Taleb? He's too humble to say that.

I'm going to say it for him. Hey, you listen to Last Call. You ever heard of Tiger Bone? Yes, I have. I know about Tiger Bone. You're not going to take a shot. We ain't going to take a shot. I'm from New York City.

You're from New York City. I'll take a shot. Talib, I'm listening. Hold on. We're going to let you finish the story first. It's more important. Last Call. Last Call on Kanye Island.

He break it down. Oh, we're going to do Last Call here, too. Last Call, right. And he break it down. Oh, we're going to do a last call here, too. Last call, right. He break it down. He say, he say, Talon Kweli brought me on tour. Oh, we fucking up the scenery. And he told me how to perform on the tour and shit. Like, he say that.

He say that on the last, on the song. On Kyle's Dropout. He explain the whole story. Right. How I brought him on tour. Did you know he was crazy from the beginning? Oh, well, listen. I was, when Kanye West, when I first met him, I said.

Hold on, y'all. Hold on. This nigga played me Jesus Walks when I first met him. Wait, the first day you met him, he played you? Not the first day, maybe the first month or so. Okay. Beat or lyrics and beat? The song done.

This is four or five years before this shit came out. This nigga played me, he played me Dear Mama. Not Dear Mama, the Hey Mama. Uh-huh. La, la, la, la, la, la, la. La, la, la, la. I said, I've never heard Nothing so beautiful in my life Right

He played me He played me Jesus Walks I said nigga And it was the version That came out Or was it This is before he had a deal Before College Dropout

He played me Jesus Walks He played me a bunch A bunch of those songs A bunch of those songs But I remember Jesus Walks and the Hey Mama I said you need to put These shits out now

He said no no no That's what a nigga said He said My first album It was before he had a deal No deal He knew what he wanted to do He said my first album

Was called College Dropout I'll do these songs My next album Is called Late Registration That the That Jesus Walks And I mean The Hey Mama

That's gonna be On Late Registration Wow Jesus Walks He had his plan Jesus Walks Is gonna be my single You can tell Jesus Walks's gonna be a late registration Wow Jesus walked he had his walks Jesus walks from college dropout but when he put it out Jesus walks was single he says that on the song this is my single dog radio needs this he says it on the song and you knew and you knew like did you know he was a genius so or you just knew he was crazy? I couldn't.

To be real with you, niggas used to diss him. Niggas used to diss him. Tell them who you dissed him. Let's get into it. Everybody. Kanye had the hot beats. But niggas beat. He was trying to sell himself as an artist.

And niggas was like, we want your beats. He used to be on a tour bus with us. He used to be rhyming. And he used to rhyme all the time Right every day you come in the room Somebody new come in the room. He kicked the rhyme like I say I kick around for you I knew coming to room he gets him kicking around again for the new nigga He was annoying sometimes it's annoying. It's thirsty. It's thirsty right call that thirsty right, but he was he had no boundaries

He knew he knew he was going he knew he He had no boundaries. But he knew. He knew. He was going. He knew. He was going. Sometimes being thirsty, get your... Like, listen, when we did... We was... You know, my team, we did the street team for Def Jam and Rockefeller. Yeah, stop that. Stop that. Stop that. And so...

I'm going to stop passing you weed. You keep giving it away. What was... I'm in an interview mood. Come on, me and... What was the single that he had, the joints when he had the... When he got in the car accident? The wire.

Through the wire. That was it. With... What was homegirl on there? The old school G. Chaka Khan? Chaka Khan. Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on.

Nobody asks for shots of Tiger Bone. Hold on. Time out, time out. Talib said it? Come on, let's go, let's go. Did you say it? All right, let's go. Oh, damn.

I got to make an appearance at a club. We had. I'm shooting a video right now. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. All right, hold on. I'm standing up. I'm standing up. I'm standing up. We had. I don't even want to shot. I'm shooting a video right now. I'll do it. I'll shoot a video to do fucking. All right, hold on.

I'm standing up. I'm standing up. Hold on. I got to give my Kanye story. Go ahead. Give me a Kanye story. This is my one and a half Kanye story.

Because this is going to fuck everybody's life up after we drink this. Y'all don't drink water? Water? No, we don't like water. Talib, you have to drink champagne.

We don't have water. Because I do drink water. What? This is disrespectful. Can I get some water. What? This is disrespectful. Can I get some water? We got water here? Water. What the fuck?

With extra HP, baby. Yeah. That's accolade. That's accolade. This is real drink champ shit right here. Real drink champ shit. Because this is how you really do it, drink champs. You drink water so you can keep drinking.

100%. Let's make some noise for Talib trying to be smart. That's all. drinking. A hundred percent. Let's make some noise for Talib trying to be smart. There's nothing smart about this shot we about to take. I'm going to just throw it out there. That's why you got the water.

All right, you got to tell your story. The story's whack now, by the way, but we did the promo shot that Eddie Giggs was not here. We did Def Jam, Rockefeller.

Water gone. Water gone. All right, don't take that shot yet gone Don't take that shot yet Don't take that shot yet I got you, I got you I think you should take the water out the drink chance cup No, that's how you do it

Listen, I drink water A real drink chance drink water, bro Out the gauntlet? Alright, cool That's OG wisdom No, we need to be hydrated, man So we can keep drinking I'm going to let y'all get away with this right now.

Go ahead. No, man. I want you to drink water because I care about you, bro. You know what the fucked up shit is? I care. I care. The whole tour, there was like three people who just said, that nigga ain't drink water the whole time.

I just landed and was just like, ah, let's just. All right. My story. No, my story. Go ahead. Get to it. The story's whack now. But.

No, you just forgot your story. No, no, no. I didn't forget my story. You Get to it The story's whack now But No you just forgot your story No no no I didn't forget my story You been getting high I was doing this I was the street team manager For Miami For Def Jam

And Rockefeller And nobody believed in Kanye at Rockefeller Right So he They did not He leaked that record Through the wire

Through the wire I remember that And then he He paid for the video He paid for the video He paid for the radio promotion And he hit us Look at that Niggas changing the rules for you video. He paid for the video. He paid for the radio promotion. And he hit us up. Look at that.

Niggas changing the rules for you. They got water and shit. Thank you. Thanks. I'm going to need the water. Thanks, Garcia, for ruining my story. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm going to need the water after this shot of the Tiger Bowl. Go ahead. So... What the fuck, man? What the fuck? I'm trying to tell my god damn father. He leaked the record.

What the fuck, man? He leaked the record. And he went to the Mixed Show Power Summit in Puerto Rico. I was there. I was there, too. I was there. And we performed at Common was there and Moses was there and at the Wyndham Resort in Puerto Rico, Rio Del Mar. You're still ruining my story.

Yeah, go ahead. We forgot your story. I'm there with you. I was there. So, homie, he organized out of pocket. He told all the reps. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. I'm there with you. I was there. So, homie, he organized out of pocket. He told all the reps. Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on.

I'm sorry. Jesus Christ. Holy shit. I'm throwing my microphone. In a song with Jay-Z and Kanye, in a song where they say DJ in Puerto Rico for three days. That's what you're talking about. Yes. Yes.

That's what he's talking about. All right. Get to your story. Keep going. I'm talking about life, man. I'm's what he's talking about. Get to your story. You're fucking my life, man. I'm trying to be relevant right now. So, he organized a conference call

and he gets on the call. And it's Kanye, the way we know Kanye. He said, my shit is hot. I need you guys to take it to the radio. I'm coming to every market. Be ready. And he came to every market. And this is early.

It came on my tour. Nobody knows. With me coming. Oh, look how he, I like the way he threw that in there. Like a segway, right? He threw that in there. He came on my tour. Let's make some noise for Tyland.

I have mad respect for Tylandib We all got mad respect for Kanye I don't know why the table just moved It felt like a shark You got superhero strength Alright listen I'm going to be honest Talib I don't think you was lying before No but I'm going to be honest

I took a shot with this With KR KRS-One, after the show. That's impressive. After the show. He was my man. I did an investigation on him. Like you, I hit you straight up. You said you like Hennessy. You said you like the dark, so I went out there.

I said I like dark. I said whatever. Dark, right? You said whatever. But I did, you know, KRS, I did a real investigation. He said, beef, what a relief. When will this poisonous product cease? Definitely took it to a different angle, but I'm with that as well.

I am with that as well. But I studied KRS, and I knew he liked the Mai Tais, right? So we had the people at the bar. It just was my fucking pleasure. A person I grew up listening to, even though I'm from Queens, I told them the Criminal Murder album, there's only two songs I couldn't listen to because of my loyalty. But now, so I do the investigation.

I find out he likes Mai Tais. We get the guys to make the best Mai Tais in the world. We give them enough. We do it. So I had already won. In my mind. the world we give them enough we do it so i had already won in my mind i think we had a drunk kind uh caris one and we had a drunk caris but i had one like in my mind it was like this is dope because it was dope interview we had a little uh sidestep with the you know the way he answered it's okay i've defended him this is my brother you

know i love him it's like my lyrical father. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, me too. But I did take the shot with KRS after the podcast. Now, with that being said, this is my... During the podcast. No, it was after. No, now. Now we're doing a shot of Tiger Bone during the podcast. Now, so I must warn you.

Wait, did we get sushi with this? When I took the shot with KRS He's my idol His neck started sweating I knew he was drunk There's no way your neck sweat Unless you're drunk I kind of

That's OG shit when your neck sweat That's OG shit When your neck sweat So If our neck sweat We're going to end this interview Early Alright But We gotta Yo he hates this shit Next sweat. So, if our next sweat, we're going to end this interview early.

All right. But we got to. Yo, he hates this shit. Hey, man, you know. All right, listen. We got to show you how we do this. It's all there. Live on the drink track.

Show us how you do this. I ain't going to front. This chair has killed my ass. Listen, I've been trying to drink less. You feel like I was sitting on the iron the whole time. And I should not have done this podcast. Let me tell you something. This podcast is ruining my career, my life, my health. And your liver.

Everything, everything, everything. You know what somebody tweeted me the other day said? Thank you, Nori, for sacrificing your liver. I think we're ruining people's lives. I sold my liver, man. I sold my liver. All right, listen. So this is how we do it, Tyler.

You stand up. All right, I think that was your drink. I don't know which one's that. Who's drink is that? You got two? Oh, you got two? Tyler, you got to take the glasses off just for this. Yeah, we got to see you guys go sideways.

This is Tiger Bone now. You're from New York City. Yes, Brooklyn, New York. Respect. 718. 718. 718. Boom.

Oh, shit. Tyler, you going to take two? I used to drink ginseng up. This is ginseng times 3,000. That's all it is. Alright, cool. Alright. I'm done.

Alright. I'm done. Salud. Salud. Everybody. Come on, Hass. You in? Oh, Hass, too?

Alright, you in? Alright. Yo, where you at, Sonny? Oh, he's good. Look at your shot right here. There's your second shot. Okay, I'm taking it right now. Got it.

That was not fair. Oh, my shit's rolling. Where my water at now? Holy Toledo skins. Need water. This is disgusting, man. Yo, but why do we keep drinking this ancient Chinese secret, bro? That's a rhyme. That's a rhyme. Yo, somebody gave me a water. Oh ancient Chinese secret, bro? That is a rhyme.

That's a rhyme. Yo, somebody gave me a water. Oh, here you go. I'm sorry. Yo, well, you got to take my shit. I'm sorry. Yeah, man. Damn, man.

Tyler, don't take another one, Tyler. You can't. You can't. Look, that's the other one. For the culture. We just want to make sure. I'm going to put that in my pocket and take it with me. For the culture.

For the culture, don't take another one, Tyler. Oh, shit. So now, now. Can I put my glasses on? I just want to stay, for the culture, don't take another one, Tyler. So now, now. Can I put my glasses on? I just want to stay standing now. No, I want to stay standing too.

Alright, we going to stand up now? Yeah, yeah. You can stand up. I'm Walter Cronkite right now. I'm going to be honest. How you doing?

What happened was. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to sit down. So. I'm going to be honest. This is stand up. It's okay right now. Alright.

I'm going to stand up and stand up to this shit. Stand up guy. I'm standing up to you right now. I told y'all, Tiger Bone changed your fucking life, man. Yo, Tiger Bone. He changed your life. And everybody has a Tiger Bone story about me.

You notice that? Like when two change. See, you made a decision to become the Tiger Bone guy about 10 years ago. I don't know how that happened. I don't know. Everybody has a Tiger Bone story about me. No, you made a decision. I did? You did. that happened. I don't know. Everybody has a Tiger Bone story. You made a decision. I did?

You did. I remember. I crossed over to the dark side a long time ago. He was like, I'm going to talk about Tiger Bone in every interview. Because it's different. You know what it is. It's illegal. No, that's what it was.

It's not illegal, man. But it was. But it was. Back then. It was. The original. It's part of the Nori mystique. Yeah, it was illegal. Should I be a part of this mystique? It's like smoking weed. You it was. Back then. The original. It was part of the Nori mystique. Yeah, it was illegal.

Should I be a part of this mystique? It's like smoking beaties. You're a part of this. It's like smoking beaties now. Back then. Like you try to buy a pack of Khalil's beaties. Wait, hold on. Tell me.

Did you say beanies? Beaties. Them little nasty shit. You know, after 9-11. You can't buy those little jerseys. After 9-11, they banned Khalil's beaties. Oh, I used to get them. Remember you used to buy

Khalil's beaties? I used to pretend to be high off those shit. I don't know what time. I hated those beaties. They had an association with some sort of organization. Yeah.

So they banned them shits. Remember we used to buy them shits in the hood? Mm-hmm. And then one day you couldn't? 9-11. Wow. That's your fault, Lori.

What? Do your Googles. I don't know, man. It's Tiger Bone. Let's take one more shot at Tiger Bone. No, no, no, no. Who are we cocking, the table? No, let's just end it.

Listen, I'll take another shot at Tiger Bone after I work tonight. Because I still got to work. No, no, this is work right now. That was like a Prince answer. You've been hanging with Prince way too much. That was a Prince answer. You got one shot right there. I'm going to join you.

That is not my shot. I don't claim responsibility. You did. You did. That shot has your name on it. That was a joke. When you pick up two shots, Talib, you committed. That was a visual joke. You can't put the fried chicken back. When you were in the barbecue and you

picked up two pieces of chicken at the black barbecue. That's a false equivalency. No, it's the same like two empanadas. He got way too... I don't even know what the word with that. I don't know what word. word with that. I'm purposely... Like, I don't know what word. Come on, Tyler.

We're going to do one more shot. Give me the full equivalency. Because the chicken you touch, the drink is a plastic cup. No. He tried to get too smart on us. We can't let you get away with that, Tyler. You want me to put this in a not-so-plastic cup?

We can't let you get away with that. If I dip my finger in it or I drink it, then you win. It's pretty much the same when you grab it.. If I dip my finger in it or I drink it, then you win. It's pretty much the same when you grab it. Watch, I'm going to join you. I'm going to join you. And I've been fucked up all day.

I'm fucked up right now. But listen, let me just say something. Thank you for joining us at the Drink Champ. We had KRS drink three shots. We just want you to have two. I'm clapping by myself

on the Drink Champ. Oh, no, my bad. My bad. No, because your clap was not aggressive at all. When you want people to clap, Talib, you got to say, Everybody make some noise!

Listen, listen. Let's make some noise for Talib trying to get a soft clap out of this drink test. We don't do that over here, Talib. I'm going to take one more shot with you. I tried to do the slow clap. I think that's my glass, actually. Oh, then that's great. A little something, a little something, a little something. You need to put that moonshine away, man.

All right, cool. You want me to help you out? Oh, fuck my life. See? That's the effects of moonshine. Yeah, this is Chinese moonshine. Listen, I'm telling the world. So listen, how many listeners y'all got at this point?

A lot, right? We're approaching 3 million. We're approaching 3 million. In April, we had 2.2 million. So like 3 million people. Let's make some noise for April. We ain't talking about the difference. We're averaging half a million a week.

We're averaging half a million a week. You know what I mean? And Talib. So 3 million people listening is bullshit. That's right. It's bullshit. Thank you so much. Yo, Talib, high five. That's right. It's bullshit. Thank you so much. Yo, Talib, high five.

You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. I can't believe it. The listeners don't get it. It's bullshit. It is bullshit. Listen, every time we speak, we make a podcast. Every time we speak, it's caca out of our mouth.

Let me tell you something. Nas told me 10 years ago. I don't know why. We was around. To me, Nas told me the internet was going to happen. That's right. Like, we was in some... He invented it.

Like, we was in some... He's Al Gore. Nas is Al Gore with a black mask on from Queensbridge. I don't know if that was equivalent to what I was thinking of. But he's doing it right now. Nas, we sat in... And I actually filmed it. Nas has a portfolio.

I actually filmed it. It was for a What What documentary. And I sat there and I filmed him. And we just talked about, like, you know, no, no, no, no. Come on, get out of here. No, no, no, no. Get out of here. And he told me, he said, someday these people are going to pay us for our conversation.

I thought he meant the internet. When the internet got involved in Twitter, I thought he meant that. But then years later now, I realize That he was telling me I was going to have This podcast That'd be number one And have millions of people Listen to our bullshit

Together as a one Because you know what Hip hop classic stories Are what the people love That's right And I'm going to Take this last shot Of Tiger Bone with you

No no no Pick up that Tiger Bone If you could drink That Tiger Bone And drink that Hennessy I ain't going to lie. You're the hardest nigga in Brooklyn and Nebraska. You know that's some Brooklyn shit, too.

Listen, listen. That tiger bone is some Brooklyn shit, too. Wait, is there more Hennessy in there? Oh, no, that's water. All right. If you could finish. Listen, I'm going to keep it real. Let me drink water.

Tyler, fuck everything else. If you could drink this shot of tiger bone and then finish your Hennessy. Hold on. You're the hardest nigga in Nebraska. There's no Hennessy anywhere There's Hennessy No, no, no Don't finish that first

That's our idea Oh, that's water I didn't cleanse my palate Alright, alright, alright He's getting ready Alright, cool He's the hardest nigga in Omaha Nebraska and Omaha

And And the Dakotas And Brooklyn And Dade County Right Alright, so look And the fucking Alright, so

Now remember, ah-da-ah, ah-da-ah. Take your glasses off. Yeah. Jesus Christmas. I love it. I love it. I love it.

Ah-da-ah, yes. Ah-da-ah, boom. Get your EF in. EF in. You got to take your fucking shot. No, it's right there, motherfucker. Let's go, let's go.

Ah-da-ah, ah-da-ah. That just stuck me out. Oh, fuck. Yo, do I get a fortune cookie? Where's my fortune cookie? We just drank cat urine. Shit. I should know jiu-jitsu after I drink that shit, man.

Now, Tyler, are you sure you still in for this? I got to work tonight. You can quit. You can quit. Or you can finish your Hennessy. I want to see if you're a real Brooklyn nigga right now. Am I allowed to take another sip of water? Yes, yes.

You're allowed to sip plenty of water. I'm on the water side of things. Yeah, yeah. You're allowed to sip plenty of water. But I'm going to keep it real. Hennessy and Tiger Bone. I don't remember them being friends ever.

So let me ask you, do this podcast usually last like this long? Yes, it does. Oh, yeah. I don't listen to podcasts at all. We got Talib, Nick. We want you to listen to our podcast eventually. We love Talib. He came in here with some gangsta shit.

He said, I ain't listen to anything. He said, I don't listen to you guys All the way All the way I listen to some of y'all I sampled you guys And I said thank you Because maybe

He win the game Cause right now We got him lit He got to work tonight Big up your video You just shot a video We want to big that up man Yeah big up my video

Good Girls Shout out to Nico too Once again Shout out to Nico, too. Good Girls, once again. Shout out to Nico Is. Yep. I was doing a video. I had a conference call with him. Shout out to Alicia Keys. Oh, shit.

And Rhapsody and Busta Rhymes. We was on a conference call. I went to the White House. Wait, yeah, yeah. Let's talk about that. Yeah, I heard about it. Because you never go in the White House after you leave this interview. Let's hurry up.

They ain't fucking with you no more. Khaled dropped major keys at the White House. I heard Rick Ross a long way off. Literally the major keys or he dropped some gems? That story got out? Yeah, yeah.

Rick Ross a long way off. Yeah, let's make some noise for that, God damn it. He had the house arrested. Let's make some noise for that. At the White House. That was the most... So let me...

I heard one story. Let me just... I heard one story about the White House. Please, everybody be quiet. I heard one story about the White House. I heard one story Let me just I heard one story About the White House Please everybody be quiet I heard one story About the White House I heard that when

Barack Obama Got y'all all in the room He said Some of y'all niggas Tax issues ain't right And y'all might be I don't believe that What?

And y'all might be arrested When you leave this property Is that true? That's some thug shit If he said that Part one is true Okay Part two is not He didn't say when you leave this property. Is that true? That's some thug shit if he said that. Part one is true. Okay.

Part two is not. He didn't say you will be arrested. No, he didn't say... But... I'm surprised that you heard that story. He said, I'm going to hook you

over my accountant guys. Did he say that? This guy's a hood CIA right here, man. I know my shit. Niggas call me. Niggas call me. Obama said...

He's got drones. We was talking about criminal justice reform By the way Barack Obama has released Like hundreds of people Let's make some noise For Barack Obama

Releasing a bunch of people He has drones The motherfuckers though He has also The drone shit is crazy He has also Used drones As a preemptive measure

So don't make no noise For that No He's the president Hey man listen The job of the president Is not easy has also used drones as a preemptive measure so don't make no noise for that no it's a president listen the job of the president is not easy is to is to maintain the status quo yeah but let's stop being serious for a second right let's go let's get back people want to. But Rick Ross' bracelet went off. That was great. That was great. And Obama said, and Rick Ross, like a true Miami dude. And he is a true Miami dude.

Rick Ross represented Miami. Wait, wait, wait. What did he do? No, this is all. Let Talib live. The beeping went off. And Obama said, What is that? That was there

Obama acted like he don't know He said what is that? No one knew I heard it No one knew what that was And Rick Ross said That's that criminal justice Let's make some noise

For Rick Ross being Hooked in the way Shout out to Carroll City Shout out to Carol City. Shout out to Carol City, Liberty City. Obama brought us there to talk about

criminal justice reform. That's the epitome of it right there. Rick Ross was like, I heard he walked in the room and he said a curse and it made everybody relax.

He was like, what is that? He said something like. No, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was,

he, you know what he said? You know what? I'm going to tell you what he said He said I love listening to your music I listen to the White House And he looked at A$AP Rocky

He said I love your music too But I can't listen to it in the White House I put my headphones on You know what I'm saying You don't want another shot At Tiger Bone right We done with that No he can do it headphones on. You know what I'm saying? You don't want another shot to attack a bone, right? We done with that? No, he can do it.

He wants it. No, no. He hesitated. Listen, I want to drink some of this Dame Dash. Not my bottle. It's my bottle right here. Dusko.

Dusko. Drink Champs. Talib Kweli. Dusko. I can't thank you enough. Dusko. I can't thank you enough, man. I think we covered all grounds.

Is there anything that you want to say, Taleb? Is there anything you want to say to the people? We got about four people listening to us right now. Four people. Four and a half. Four and a half people. Yeah. Don't drink.

What's his drink, champ? Don't drink with N.O.R.E. It's his fault. Oh, whatever, man. You better put him in there. You better put him in champs Don't drink with N.O.R.E. It's his fault Oh whatever You better put him in You better put him in Don't eat the yellow snow Alright right

And the gum under the table Is not candy The gum under the table Is not candy Yo Tyler and Carly You've been a great sport man We really appreciate you Because you know why

You're so much positive You're so much a hip hop activist You're our version of Al Sharpton so much a hip-hop activist. You're our version of Al Sharpton without the corny shit. God damn it. No, without the corny. I don't want to be Al Sharpton. That's my nigga. What?

Al Sharpton is a good dude. Is he? Is he really? However, I am not Al Sharpton. No, no. I mean, like, what I mean by that is. Slow down, bro. No, what I mean by that, I'm sorry.

But it's not a bad thing when you say that, though. No, but what I mean by. I understand. I get it.'s not a bad thing when you say that, though. No, but what I mean by it. I understand. I get it. Is you got. Give me Huey Newton or like Malcolm X. Yeah, Huey Newton, Stokely Carmichael. Give me Stokely Carmichael.

Oh, Malcolm X. What's some other people? With all due respect to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. That's who you are for us. All due respect to them. Yeah, and I feel like I'm hearing a CBS ad coming in. What the? Oh, it's a train. It's a train. All right. I was like, CBS. Yeah, and I feel like I'm hearing a CBS ad coming in. What the fuck? Oh, it's a train.

It's a train. All right. I was like, CBS? Yeah, I think it's a train. CBS just sent a train through. Listen, but I feel like you're the guy. I think that's Rap Raider.

Whenever. Yeah, Rap Raider. Y'all sabotaged us last week. We understand y'all motherfucking Elliot Wilson. Shout out to Elliot Wilson. Yeah. Yo, let me just say this

real quick. Yeah, please. Elliot Wilson, you have a bunch of niggas That do not deserve Interviews before Tyler Qualley Wait hold on I don't know where this is going But I'm with you

Wherever you want to take it I'm with you Wherever you want to take it Elliot is my nigga I love Elliot But why Elliot did not Put you on Rap Radar

Hold on I did not know this Rap Radar gave me a lot of love No but on Rap Radar podcast No You've never been on Shout you on Rap Radar I'm only I did not know this Rap Radar gave me A lot of love No but on Rap Radar podcast No Rap Radar Shout out to Rap Radar They gave me a lot of love

But all the little Wait wait wait The little talks he be having But I'm only saying this Because I have a new album Coming out Right But he never put you

On Rap Radar podcast The little talks he be having Yeah The little Them little shits Cause he and he had millions High five But let's be clear

We didn't have you Because you had a new album No listen We had you because You are friends No let me shout out Kay Valentine From Chicago

We dropping her album With Javoti Media Nico is Nico is From Orlando, Florida He was very excited He said He said what

You doing drink champs Oh my god Nico hits me up Nico was very excited Now I was I was already excited To do drink champs Oh my god Nah Nico hits me up Nico was very excited Now I was I was already excited To do drink champs But Nico made me

More excited You know Elliot Wilson This is my nigga You know what I'm saying Like I Listen What but he didn't

Want to accept you No Let's keep it real Let's just keep it real You saying he didn't Want to accept you No this is what I'm saying Elliot you fucking up

Again now We are We are capitalizing Up here Fuck up Elliot Wilson Everybody make some noise This is what I'm saying. I'm devil's advocate. You fucking up again, Elliot. I'm devil's advocate. We are capitalizing up here. Fuck up, Elliot Wilson. Everybody make some noise. Thank you, Tom. Listen, anytime, Elliot, and B-Dot, they don't answer you, you know my phone number is still the same.

I got you, I got you. Because we rappers. Yeah, yeah, we rappers. We rappers. We inside the NBA. We inside. The n is still the same. Because we rappers. Yeah, yeah, we rappers. We rappers. We inside the NBA. We inside. The niggas is just commentators. The DJs.

DJs is the backbone. I've never seen anyone with some DJs. No, no, no, I'm saying, y'all say the rappers. No, we. Rappers and DJs the same. Let's make some noise for the DJs. I gotta stand up. We are the assistant motherfuckers here.

I'm the rapper. I mean, you're the rapper. I'm the DJ. Jazzy Jeff, Will Smith. Here we go. Shout out to BDOT and Elliot Wilson. They are important participants and contributors to the culture. Why are we shouting them out?

Because Drink Champs is number one. That's right. Let's make some noise. But in all good fun, they are label mates. That's our people. We love them. We always fuck with them, though. I'm just saying that because I have a new album coming out.

And if I do an interview on them, I get to promote my album. 100%. So whatever. You know what I'm saying? But they didn't ask you to come on first. Is this true? Interviewing him I get to promote my album 100% So whatever You know what I'm saying But But they didn't ask you To come on first Is this true

Because he wants to interview People who have trends But he don't understand That I'm way bigger than trends Tell that nigga I'm way bigger than trends Tell that nigga You've been

You've been transcending shit Forever nigga You Hip hop had a trend We had an apartment In South Africa nigga Like come on my nigga Like this is the thing is, like, I interview legends.

I interview people who I know, they use that word relevant. We don't use that word relevant over here. We make it relevant when we do it. We use that word legend. Yeah. When you a legend. It's not dependent on relevancy. Yeah, fuck all that.

That dumb shit, yo, I don't want to... I don't know how to do that shit. What is that? I don't know. That is representative of all we just... Wait, wait, I saw that with Prince. Prince, I can see it. No, Prince.

I fuck with Prince. I fuck with Prince. But, yo, Talib... He was just whipping the nana's. Yeah, I was trying to whip the nana Whipping the nana But Talib Listen let me thank you man

For coming through me And the EFN You know we retarded people We're both in here together And um We really want to thank you For coming here Being a great sport

Listen And you are drunk I am drunk And I came here In a tank top This is the first time Anybody seen me in a tank top My hotel room got locked up.

And you like M.A. Thrassey. You got mad tattoos. You like M.A. Thrassey. You down with the Spanish games. He's banging on wax right now. He's banging on wax. He's down with 18th Street gang, I said. What the fuck?

I got locked out of my hotel. What the fuck? I just, while I was, I got a text while I was on your show. Stop renting them Airbnbs. Come back to Starwood. That's what happened. Come back to Starwood. I got a text while I was on your show. Stop renting them Airbnbs. Come back to Starwood. That's what happened. Come back to Starwood. I got locked out.

But now I got my clothes back. Let's make some noise for him getting his clothes back. I'm going to stop smoking this too. I'm tired of this. Whose shit is this? The plastic weed? I'm done. I'm done. You don't is this? The plastic weed? I'm done I'm done

Yo you don't remember Why I handed it to Karis? Karis said Stop Norris Karis says You want nothing to do With you no more No no no

Karis would've smoked No he wanted a joint Remember Karis Wanted a joint Tyler Crawley Thank you for hanging out With us man We really appreciate that

That bottle of Hennessy Could go with you That's yours That's yours I'm taking it. You taking it. That is yours. Thank you so much Tyler. Let's make some noise for Tyler Garnier. Oh my God.

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