Drink Champs - Episode 120 w/ Tony Rock and more (Part 1)

Episode Date: March 13, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys talk to actor, comedian Tony Rock. The guys talk hip hop, comedy, the entertainment industry, the family business (Chris Rock), and a lot more. Also joining the guys at the table is Ras Kass, Charlie Mack and Deric D-Dot Angelettie. Things get weird and loud on this one! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I've been wanting this guy to be here so long. But before we establish our guest, I want to big up to the Lowell Smokes Mansion, the office, the people in the Hollywood Hills who is taking care of us, providing the smoke, providing the ashtrays, and providing the hospitality.

Let's big up to the Lowell Mansion. But when we think of our guest today, we think of the person that you think is not... Listen, listen. You think that he's not getting a lot of pussy, but he's getting a lot of pussy. Clearly.

Clearly. He came like this. He might not be getting Chris Rock pussy. Who the fuck thinks that? No, I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. As a person who's married, I like to look at people who's single.

Right. And I like to appreciate y'all. Okay, okay. And you're like in the Appreciation Hall of Fame. Yes. Appreciation Hall of Fame. Yeah, I'm just saying. He's out there knocking them down.

He's out there knocking them down. He's living right. He's doing what he got to do. He's from Brooklyn. And listen, not only that, not only that, I feel like he's like the black slime Seacrest. You did say that earlier today. Because he got like 10 shows.

He's on BET. He's on Netflix. He's on... CBS. Check Flicks. He's on CBS. He's on NBA TV. Let us know.

He's on... This motherfucker got so many shows. He don't even know how many shows he got. And he's right here with us right now. On J. Chats Network. Motherfucker, let's make some noise And welcome Tony Motherfucker Rock Yo, I love you on iBrother

Every week I see you on another show And it just makes me proud Because I'm like, this guy's out here And you're fucking the industry Because usually the industry fucks us Usually we're the niggas getting bent down. They're like, oh shit, this nigga hit me today. But you're like this.

You're clearly like this. You're like, oh, you're both walked out. Yeah. You're fucking the industry. You know what I saw a long time ago? If you watch any sitcom, let's take sitcoms for instance. You watch any sitcom from the 80s to the 90s, 2000s. Let's take.

The names behind, when the credits roll, the names behind watch any sitcom from the 80s to the 90s 2000 Let's take some more the name behind when the credits roll the names behind the cameras are all they always the same The names in front of the cameras three or four years and they done, right? So I'm trying to be behind the camera and last forever I'll do my time in front of the camera, but when it's over I'm gonna be set myself up for behind the camera Damn, that's so my name was just going to scrolling and you like oh shit It's that Tony Rock. I didn't even see him in it. You didn't see me in it, I produced it. You didn't see me in it, I directed it.

You didn't see me in it, I created it. You didn't see me in it, I wrote it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm setting myself up for the long haul. I'm not gonna lie, Hassan FX is crazy. I like Hassan FX. Yo, for real, I just might hire you just to just, just, just, I have to leave me.

But hold up, but you gotta get through the back story. So, it's NBA All-Star Sunday. Yes. I knew that, you know, people were going to be watching the game and doing whatever they was doing and getting ready for parties tonight. So I knew if I'm going to come here, I'm not going to waste your time.

Boy, y'all, I'm going to bring some entertainment. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to bring some friends. My friends are drinking and smoking. You compromised my marriage. Yeah, I'm going to try my hair. I got friends in the building. I got friends to both say hi I'm not gonna lie say hi, and here's the crazy thing about how you compromise my marriage. Let me just throw it out there

Because I'm gonna keep it in real because usually you know somebody will come over and they'll like something will slip But the shit that he got slipping like he he had just a black titty just slipping. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just black titty out there. It's just like, and you know, I like black titties. So I'm like,

just like, cool, it's just a black titty out there. I'm like, oh shit, she got a black titty. Just out there. And then you have a light skin,

white pussy. It's just out there. Light skin or white? It's two different things. I'm sorry. Like to me, you know, you know, I'm half black, half Puerto Rican. I'm all the way white.

Okay. But you just had it out there. And I'm just saying, I just didn't expect Tony Rock to come through with a black titty just hanging out there. And then a white coochie just hanging out. It wasn't on purpose, but I knew I wasn't wearing underwear. And I'm very open and free as a woman. So I'm good. She's free as a woman woman man. I have no idea what that means, please

Can you elaborate? I'm comfortable we do it every first so well They can't get money, man. They can't get money. Y'all been sent out for some points. We can't get money here. Let me just tell y'all something. I so much respect a person being who the fuck they want to be. 1,000%. I'm definitely...

What's the story? What? Show me something. Show you something? I have no idea. Show him something. No, you know what I have no idea. Show us something. Show us something. Listen, baby girl, you're tired. It's okay.

We want you. I'm sorry. I don't want you to I don't want you to get arrested. No, I mean, I felt like you was going somewhere. I'm sorry. It's cool. We can go somewhere we like. Okay. You feel like going somewhere? That's cool. We're going to go somewhere. You feel like you're going somewhere? I got to get dressed.

You got to get dressed, Lori. I'm sorry. I'm inappropriate right now? I got to get right. So, Tony Rock. How does a person coming from who you are right now

you have a unique situation. I say unique. How does a person Coming from who you are Right now Alright Now You have a unique situation Yes I say unique Unique I didn't mean to say unique Unique

You have a unique situation where You actually have a famous brother Right Yeah That went there Made it to a certain place Right But that doesn't mean that

You're going to make it to a certain place Right Absolutely So how do you say to yourself Boom You know what to a certain place, but that doesn't mean that you're going to make it to a certain place. Absolutely. So how do you say to yourself, boom, you know what? Love Big Bro. I think Big Bro is the fucking greatest in the world. You have the illest thing

because it's like Jay-Z being your brother. You're absolutely right. How do you say, yeah, Jay-Z is my brother, and I love Jay-Z, but I still got to be my own Jay-Z. Yeah. How does that start for you? Because it doesn't matter if it's your brother or your friend or a relative or just a homie.

Whatever they do is for them. You know what I'm saying? You got to be on your own path in life. Once you realize that you're in your own lane, then you don't worry about what the next man is doing good or bad you know i'm saying so when somebody fucked up in the game you still like i gotta do my thing when somebody did it you gotta go all right good for them i applaud you but i still gotta do my thing right you know i'm saying i concern myself with the checks that say tony rock on them i don't concern myself with the checks to say nobody else but big bro started before me so big brother does everything first let's be realistic big brother was able to go in the street and play football while I was you does that mean I shouldn't want to

Go on the street football cuz you already did it big brother was able to go on dates before me does that mean I shouldn't Want to go on dates because I already did it so it's just like yo he did it first But that don't mean I can't do it the same or do it better You know how intimidating was that was because it's not like it's not like your brother was fucking um Like Jack Brack's little brother right like your brother is it wasn't he was Frank Stallone Actually the guy he's the guy he's the guy like the Like, he's fucking, like, how hard is that? Like, I'm going to be honest, right? Right.

If fucking my brother was Roberto Duran, right? Because I'm Puerto Rican, right? So I just went there. Wait, are you a boxer? No, I'm not. I'm a boxer. Okay. That's the reason why.

You can tell. You can tell. Look, he knows me. Are you Fist of Stone? So if my brother was Roberto Duran, right? And he's the guy that's going to box and beat all the students. Right. Like, I wouldn't want to box.

But that's a perfect analogy. Now, watch me flip this. Okay. Let's say your brother's Mike Tyson. Right? Let's say your brother's Mike Tyson. And now you're a boxer. It don't matter who he fought and what he did in the ring.

You still got to take those punches on your own. You still got to take those punches on your own. You still got to throw those punches on your own. So whatever Mike Tyson did, your brother Mike Tyson did, it don't reflect on what you do even though you do the same thing. He got knocked out in round 10 by Buster Douglas. That don't mean that you're going to lose

to so-and-so in round 10. That was his fight. This is your fight. We do the same thing, but it's a different fight. And it's weird because only in entertainment does it seem like,

you know, if it was two brothers working at McDonald's, nobody would give a fuck. If it was two brothers managing a fucking Kinko's, nobody would give a fuck. But for some reason,

there's two brothers in the industry in the same realm that joined the world. There's no way. There's no way. But they're still doing awesome for each other. For some reason there's two brothers in the industry in the same realm There's no way it's no way that's doing awesome for each other Let me brag for you because it's improper for you guys to brag for you. Let me show she's a lot. Yeah Like when they come to drink champs alive And they leave dead We love it But you know honestly You guys are two brothers from Brooklyn From New York

And just so you know I have seven brothers and two sisters We've heard that Charles, Chris, Andre, Tony, Derek Brian, Kenny, Kwon, Andy, Jordan But it's the two That's entertainment Baby Rose Entertainment Baby Rose is a show on Netflix called Love Baby Rose on tour Jordan what is the two that's that's a baby rose baby rose entertainment oh I

think we're all that's your one Netflix for love Oh Rose on tour baby grows let's become Netflix because they are big enough let's explain what happens are you a monitor I got off the plane me I say Monica you that's how you know I'm fucked up it isn't I gotta play this is the up. Listen, I got off the plane. This is the whole fucking story. TMZ. I got off the plane at LAX. TMZ ran up on me.

Hey, did you hear Monique got offered 500,000 whatever. Yeah, Zach Ward was. She didn't deserve it. And Amy, she was got whatever, whatever. I said, yo, I was always taught. And please, anybody in this room. Don't count nobody's money. Anybody in this room, please tell me if you was taught differently.

Please tell me. Don't count nobody's money. I was taught you never count nobody else's money. Is anybody else in here can say they wasn't taught that? Mm-hmm. Anybody's own. Please tell me if you was taught differently. Please tell me. Don't count nobody money. I was taught you never count nobody else money. Is anybody else in here can say they wasn't taught that? Mm-hmm. Never taught that they didn't. You were right. That's what I was told, right?

You were right. So I never said she didn't deserve more money. Right. I never said she shouldn't get more money. I never said Amy was worth more. I just said don't count the next man money. That's what I said. But it was a took in that.

They went crazy. Social media went crazy. Yo, you don't love black women. You hate your sisters. You don't want her to sign. Oh, you don't love black women. You hate your sisters. You don't want her to shine. I didn't know that. My fucking Twitter was bananas. I didn't know that.

You don't love black people. You hate... It makes it seem weird because I'm sitting with a white girl behind me, but you don't love black people. It was crazy. A sick white girl, by the way.

Like, it's not a normal white girl. She black-ish. Yeah, she's black-ish. Yeah, she's black-ish. But I never said she didn't deserve. And then I said, when they asked me about it again in the next interview, I said, if she had a real issue, don't do it on social media.

Don't tweet and post on Facebook. Call me. She don't have my number, but I'm sure Monique can find my number. Because Monique said that you didn't like her. She was like, Tony Rock didn't support. But this is the thing. This is what I'm saying. When niggas do it on social media, you're doing it for the people looking. You don't really have a genuine problem with that person.

You want eyes to see you. I don't do it on social media. I do it in real life. If I got a problem with you, I don't have your number. But I'm pretty sure I'll find it if I want to. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, yo, she should just call me. But in real life right now, Tony Rock.

I think Monique should get all the money in the world. No, no, no. I'm not saying that. Tony Rock right now. Real'll get all the money in the world. No, no, I'm not saying that Tony Rock right now We're like you have a budget Five million dollar budget, okay, and you got it. You got a million dollars left I'm giving it away or I got a bitch doing giving it away. Okay. I got a five minute giveaway for what? No, you got a million a budget to do a project you have five million, but I already gave away four

Okay, I got a million left to away. A budget to do a project. You have five million, but you already gave away four. Okay. I got a million left to do what? You got a million left. To do what? To hire a woman in your film. And this has nothing to do with race. A million? In your film. And it boils down to Amy Schumer.

Schumer. Schumer. Schumer. Or Monet. No, I think they both worth more than a million so a million I'd be like damn like I wouldn't that's not the question That's not Okay The role the unit extra shit. Oh, I think just special of the house festival Your Monique listen, let me tell you something Monique. I think we really love them I'm so sorry.

Yo, Monique, listen. Let me tell you something, Monique. I think we really love Monique. Like, us in the black community. I thought people misconstrued that I had an issue. I don't have any issue with her. The reason why we didn't feel her movement in the black community was because we're looking at your brother getting $20 million. We're looking at Dave getting $20 million. We're looking at Dave getting 20 million. And she wanted us to boycott Netflix

before my brother's special aired. So why the fuck am I going to boycott this shit when it's coming in a week? I got a boycott, and then my brother's special is coming in a week now. And I got a boycott? I can't do that. I can't stand with you, bro.

I'll get with you later, but I can't fuck with you right now. We don't boycott. The rock family's about to drop this shit. The rock family's about to drop this motherfucking shit. So after that, I'll be like, man, I don't know what you're saying. Listen, and I love Monique. I swear to God, I do love Monique. And I want to say, bro.

I got mad love for you. I do want to say, bro, but I just didn't feel like the timing was correct. Like, she didn't check in with the black delegation. Like, at some point when we protest as black people, we have to go through a delegation. Right. And we have to go ask, like, for instance. We got to make sure all black people are with us. She ain't with it right now.

So we got to wait until she wakes up. All right? She She ain't with it right now. So we got to wait till she wakes up. All right? She's clearly not with it right now. Did I go too far? No, no, no. No, no, but this is what I'm trying to say. She had a wild night. And I think Monique, she didn't actually go check with the black delegation.

Right. And that's what happened. But now, okay. We have people like Mike Epps, right? Wait, before you go any further. Yes. I'm the opening act for Mike Epps' tour, so shout out to Mike. Big up, Mike Epps. Mike could have picked anybody that would be in his opening act, and he picked me. So I got major love for Mike Epps.

But big up people like Mike Epps. When you think of Mike Epps. Dream Champs alumni, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a little bit. Dope ass episode. Dope ass episode. So when you think of people like Mike Epps and you think,

you say, damn, yeah, we got Mike Epps. What? My man. God damn it. If you don't come get this fucking podcast, if you don't come get this motherfucker. So look, so when we think of people like Mike Epps, we think, we say, damn, all right, cool.

Right? But there's also people who people look people like Mike Epps, we think, we say, damn, all right, cool, right? But there's also people who people look at as Mike Epps superior, like Kevin Hart, right? I don't look at him as Mike Epps superior. There's superior? I didn't say, I didn't say, I am. I didn't say me.

I'm saying there's people, like, when you, it's superior, like, let me, let me ask you, let me let you ask your question first, because I want to jump on it. I'm going to give you a better example. It's just... It's just... Let me... Okay. Let me ask you... I'm going to give you a better example. Okay, go. It's just like me, right?

Right. It's just like me. But when you look at certain years, I put it in a game. Right. There's a red man that comes... He has to come before me because he came before me, right? Right. There's a method man because he came before me.

Right. And it's the same thing in comedy. Well, Mike came before Kev. This is what I'm trying to say. But at the same token, the people look at Kev like a bigger entity, a bigger... No, no, no. Listen, listen. Okay. Bring it down for me.

This is what it is. The industry will say who's bigger based on sales and tour money and movie money and all that. The industry does that. The people will say who the champ is. I would rather be the people's champ than the industry champ any day. The people say, yo, that nigga's the truth. The industry says, well, based on his movies and his tour budget, they do that based on numbers.

I would rather be the people's champ any day. Because I recently seen, what's going on my brother good to see you always I'm coming to you because you very so good so recently one of the best shows that I love to watch the Breakfast Club yes had person that I admire said was it Cedric Faison yeah and he clearly said Kevin Hart wasn't funny me personally I clearly disagree with him but again I'm not a comedian right so. So that's like somebody saying, that's like somebody, like a red man saying, Nori don't got bars.

Right. Right? You love red men. We love red men. And we love Nori. But him saying he don't got bars, you have to actually critique that because you're like,

damn, this guy is a person we know who has marks. Right, right. So when Faison said that and Kev is my man. The first movie he ever did was called Paper Soldiers. Yeah, I know your resume, man.

Come on now. You be cool, I'll be painful. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's painful. You be cool, I'll be cool. But when Faison said it, it fucked me up because I was like damn It's there certain comedians out there that feel like him. No, but see this thing Okay, just like you said it fucked you up right because it just doesn't even seem like it makes sense to you

That's why I think yes, right it doesn't that's why I said it must be personal. I said Right That sound like it's personal because I don't know two people that would agree with that statement. So this is a personal shit. So if it's personal and we don't know what the backstory is, let us know the backstory so we can go, Oh, okay. So we can have a choice in what side we take. You know what I'm saying? If you tell us the backstory and go, this is what he did or this is what he said. Then we go, okay, well now it makes sense that he said that. But right there to just say

a blanket statement like that was like that sounds personable that sounds personable because I don't

know two or three people that would agree with that you know what I'm saying so something must have happened

for him to take that stance against a dude that is worldwide recognized as this guy it just seems like hating

it seems like it doesn't seem like hating but it seems like... No, I don't think he was hating. It doesn't seem like hating, but it seems like something's going on for you to find... Tony Rock, this is the only part

that I have to disagree with you is, is he actually didn't seem like he was hating. He actually genuinely... Listen, if you genuinely... Did you see the... Did you genuinely feel that way? Because I genuinely feel

a certain way about a lot of shit that people don't agree with. If you genuinely feel like that, good for you. It's all good. Because the masses, this is what it is. Social media created this whole new thing where if you don't agree with the masses, you're a hater.

If you don't follow what 99% of the people are saying, you're a hater. If you have an independent thought, you're free to have an independent thought as long as it's not against the 99 percentile. Absolutely, yeah, you're right. I have independent thoughts that's always against the 99 percentile. That's why my Twitter's like, yo, nigga, you a hater.

You don't like black women. You don't smoke, Monique. Because my independent thought is its own. He with it. And I don't believe in what everybody else believe in just because they believe in it. Right. And I can back that up verbally or, you know, factually

or physically if you want to do it. You know what I'm saying? I can back it up. So now let me ask you. Did your Twitter tell you that you didn't support Unique only...

Unique. Unique. Excuse me. I said Unique. I'm so sorry. I apologize, Unique. But did your Twitter say that they didn't support him

only because of what your brother had just got? No, I didn't even see a lot of tweets about his money. It was just I didn't 100% jump in front of everybody and go, yo, let's all fucking say fuck Netflix. I like Netflix. I was like, yo, what I said was, first of all, I'm not going to boycott it because my brother's special is still yet to air. Two, I'm not going to boycott it. Wait, did you say that in the same sentence? Yeah, I'm not going to boycott it because my brother's special is still yet to air. Two, I'm not going to boycott it. Wait, did you say that in the same sentence?

Yeah, I'm not going to boycott it because my brother's special is yet to air. Oh, yeah, you definitely will. Two, I'm not going to boycott it because Netflix is dope as shit. Three, it's like, yo, Shorty, that's not my money. Why would I fight somebody for your money? When you stood up and fought for my money or fought for comics money or fought for the regulation of pay and cross the... Okay, so tell me about... All right, so, but when is the time that we have to stand up?

Like when Denzel doesn't get the next Oscar award, like when is the time for us to all stand in unison? Listen... Because here's the thing, right? Here's the thing, right? You might believe in something that I might be a friend right and I want to believe in what you believe in right but I'm gonna do it from a distance right and yeah that's the problem and then and then I'm

gonna and there's somebody else is gonna believe in what I believe in they're gonna do you know why well what is the time for a lot of black people to stand and you wanna know why that happened what's it Khaled Kaepernick moment? Was it that moment? Listen, let me say something. Black people want to be woke. See, it's black people that are woke. And it's black people that are fake woke.

That's convenience. They're like, yo, I want to be like I'm against this whatever, but I don't want to get in trouble for it. I don't want to. I want to be woke at convenience. Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble for it. I don't want to... I want to be woke at convenience. Yeah, I don't want to... I still want to go to work on Monday. I still want to... I want to be woke with my job.

The civil rights movement. Let's take the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement. The bus boycott. The bus boycott was like, yo, it only works if everybody's involved. Right. If half of y'all niggas still get on that bus,

we fucked. Right. Everybody has to not get on the bus. For us to boycott the NFL. Today, in this day and age, nobody's ready to be all 100% we're not watching the NFL. Nobody's ready to be 100% we're not supporting whatever. Or we're going to boycott this. When it's 100%, then that's when you affect change.

Black people in this country... All right. Now, let's get off the subject for a second. No, I'm with you. Black people in this country make the least amount of money in this country. We make the least and spend the most. This is a fact.

We make the least and spend the most. So, if we ever woke up one day and said, yo, let's do this. A cop shot a young kid in whatever city. And the cop was... From what what we know that wasn't justified Let's all boycott Nike for one year Every black person you know what like you say yo y'all better bring that fucking cop up on charges Cuz these niggas not spending any money with us. That's how you affect the white man. You affect the white men in this pocket

No, you're right. I'm 100% agree with you, but we're not already we're not ready to do that because you know I feel like you use the wrong example like give me a better example I feel like we don't buy McDonald's for you I feel like that's a better example okay so you know I don't go to McDonald's because we know why everybody doesn't identify with Nike the way we identify with McDonald's like you know I'm saying like McDonald's is a universe I think that's a better example. But you understand what I'm saying? I feel like if a kid died on a McDonald's block

and we took that same approach because the police killed him on a McDonald's block and we said, you know what? McDonald's didn't do nothing about it, so we're going to... I feel like that's... Black people are not ready to take it there. Black people are not ready to take it where it needs to be taken in order to get change.

That's what. Yo, I love my people. I'm not against black people. I'm not against black women. I'm for the movement. I'm woke than a motherfucker. But y'all not ready to take it where it need to be taken to get change. To see a visible, actual change in this country.

Y'all not ready to go there. Niggas are too comfortable. Niggas are too comfortable. Niggas are too comfortable. So recently, let's not even talk about something that's so revolutionary. Let's go. Let's talk about something that's something that's lighter. OK.

Wait, wait. Can we bring him in? Can we make sure he's talking? Let me talk to him. Let's make sure she's not dead. Yeah, if we're talking revolution, then someone died right there. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. Get her some air or something. Get her some air or something. Get her some water or something. Yeah, just... I'll just open it here. So let's just... Let's talk about something less light, right?

So... Wait, hold on. Oh my God. Yo, she's falling. Yo, what the fuck? I'm never leaving. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just throwing it out there.

My low house people, they're too good. Thank you so much, my brother. So let's talk about something a little less lightening, right? Yo, yo. Jay-Z probably made one of the best albums in the world. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. He's the best. Thank you so much, my brother. So, let's talk about something a little less enlightening, right? Jay-Z probably made one of the best albums of his whole career.

Family Feud is the motherfucking song of the millennium. No, no, Jay-Z probably made one of the best albums of his whole career. Right. And everybody in the rap game kind of stepped up more than him. And kind of said how annoyed we were that Jay-Z didn't even win one award at the Grammys. What is the problem? Before you answer it, what is the problem? The problem is we still looking for the Grammys to get initiation.

Listen, listen. Okay, go ahead. You want to know what it is? Nah. Do y'all really want to know what it is? Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Let's Yeah, let's go. Probably want to know this. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Let's go.

The record companies, the record industry is part of the demise in black society. They promote lean. I agree. Sippin' lean. They promote shootin' niggas. Yo, how could a record company, let's take, I'm not going to say a name, but let's take Jack's record company. Definitely. How could you promote the killing of

black men killing other black men? How could you say, like, that's some shit we're going to sell and package and sell and promote? How could you do that? Because you don't give a fuck about the black consumer and the black listener. I actually agree with you. You got to agree. Listen, you got to agree. They promote drug use. They promote violence against women.

They promote misogynistic lyrics. They promote drug use. They promote violence against women. They promote misogynistic lyrics. They promote gay homophobia. But if you say, how do you think all the Jewish people in America did it? Credit. That's how they did it. And that shit don't win no awards. Because if a nigga by any chance, if that sparks any nigga's brain to be on a better path in his life, we don't want that. We want you sipping lean, shooting niggas, fuck bitches, baby mama's drama, these fuck niggas, Jordans, guns.

That's what we want y'all selling. We don't want you telling niggas to buy property and stay with your wife and raise your children. Nigga, this is against the fucking status quo. It's true. So you're going to win no war for this shit, so the next nigga won't think of doing it. and raise your children. Nigga, this is against the fucking status quo. It's true. It's true. So you're going to win no awards for this shit so the next nigga

won't think of doing it. But why is our society is, you know, whole shit is to the sword at. Don't you think that? No, but see this thing. That's why Jay-Z's so dope because Jay-Z said,

you know what, this one ain't for the fucking masses and for the culture. No, no. This one ain't for the masses and the numbers. This is for the culture. This is for the people.

This one is for the people. The problem was he came to the Grammys with his wife, with his daughter. Even his daughter told him to relax at one point. His daughter was like, relax. Yeah, but you got to go. You got to go sit there with your badass wife and your kid and go to the stands. I didn't win no awards, but I got more attention in this motherfucker than anybody in here. Let's make some noise for Tony Robb.

Make him a positive. Fuck his situation. Let's stop that shit. Stop it. And you also brought some loose girls I'm so nice because this is me like listen my message just now was it you brought a bit commitment some loose female listen and look she has no underwear on I respect it nobody's, nobody's saying what about it. We're just saying that we recognize you have on no panties,

and that's a fucking fantastic thing. I'm just throwing it out there. Like, me personally, I have on boxers. It doesn't mean I'm a better person than you. Like, you might be a better person than me. I'm just throwing it out there. Yes. But how does it work?

Waking up and just saying, fuck it. Okay, this is my first time in California. Wow. Not only that, I'm just very comfortable in the woman that I am. I'm confident enough to say. And did you hear that in California they don't wear panties? Oh, I didn't hear anything in California, to be honest. You just heard that, fuck it.

Everything I've heard has been the opposite. So you just go out there and go to Skid row and let's just do it. I'm wherever Well, yes, very is so fucking fantastic we want to tell you that we appreciate you know I just want to say this is not our first time meeting me and Tony. We met at Dallas. So I'm going to say, I'm the, you know, I didn't pick. Tell us the story. Tell us the story. Tell us the freak Tony. Tell us the story. Tell us the story. Tell us, tell us.

Okay, well, I was on a date. I was on a date. Hattie Mae, if you don't tell that shit, I'm 100%. Did you just call her Hattie Mae? Or Annie Mae?

Hattie Mae. Or Hattie Mae. All right, I was about to say, I thought she was like, I can see that. I can see that. I thought it got real. Okay,. I was about to say. I thought she was with you. I can see that. I can see that. I thought it got real. Okay.

So I was on a date in Houston. A man brought me there. A man? A man. A man. I was on a date with a man, not a woman. You never know. Okay.

So he brought me to his show, and then he was talking about relationships and being comfortable in your skin. And I mentioned some men get like being penetrated in the ass. Where is this going? Never talked about this before. You're more than welcome to continue. Go ahead. So I mentioned that out loud. I'm very comfortable in anything that I say.

And it's very true. I've met men that like to be fucked in the ass, strapped on by women. People have their own opinions about that. I've never done it. I've never done it. But he... You've met men. And this goes back to...

I've done it, but you've never done it. Well, I said it during the show. I said it during the show. You're going to have to do a toe. And so, no, he was like, what now? And then so the man that I was with was just sitting there. And he's in the military, but he doesn't know that. And he was like, well, you need to defend yourself.

And he was over there embarrassed as fuck that some stripper girl that he met opened her mouth during Tony's show in front of everyone. So now everyone thinks that he likes to get fucked in the ass no this man that I was with Tony you've been hairy about him she didn't do a good job I'm sorry well that's what I said and so Tony we met after the show Tony she said you like to get fucked in the ass

no I did not I didn't say that I never said that I didn't say it no I never said that. I didn't say it. No, I'm just playing. It was me. No, but that is delightful. Yeah, I'm sorry.

I don't know if I can move the camera. Get a shot of her girl over there. Let her live. The whole girl told me, I'm coming to get some money up there. Ugh. Ugh. No, but I knew she was finished. She came out, her titty was out.

Yeah. And I'm not going to lie. Your pussy was out too, but it was like pussy was out, like respectful. Like it was like- My third thing. It was like you was respectful about it. Like take your keys, but don't touch. I didn't mean to have my books out.

Yeah. Like that was hard, like to me. But she was just like, my titty's out, and you know, you guys just got to deal with it. I feel take your cake, but don't touch. I didn't mean to have my book down. Yeah. Like, that was hard, like, to me. But she was just like, I'll take these out, and you know, you guys just gotta deal with it. I feel like, you know what?

And I was just like, that's real. Like, as a married man, I was like, damn, Tony Rock's putting me in position. When I'm seeing a woman,

mind that. I feel like that matters because Amber Rose promotes all this nipple showing, like, being a hoe. Amber Rose is not single. Be a hoe,

but, well, that's what I'm saying. Like, be who you are, but me personally, I feel like if you are in a

monogamous or whatever you are relationship should be exactly that and whatever you and your partner are growing on should be exactly that and if it's right for you

cool if it's not then everyone else can fuck off right Amber Rose is my sister so I'm just gonna throw that out there and I want to say that everything she says

I agree with her so sorry it's not that as It's not that. As a stripper, as a woman, as somebody who is sexualized 24-7, I completely see

where she's at with where she's going because what I wear, whether my pussy's out or not, I'm still a woman. I still deserve to be respected. And you deserve

not to be touched too. Like people, like you came here and it was crazy because the wind blew a certain way and I was like, holy shit. I was like, holy mo came here and it was crazy because the wind blew a certain way and i was like holy shit i was like holy moly is it pretty can we do is it pretty no i'm i'm but i'm asking for myself all right let me just let's just tell you let me tell you this

different type of man in this world okay there's a ass guys there's titty guys and then there's camel toe guys and i'm just throwing it out there i'm a camel toe guy so like that's who I am so I was like oh shit she kind of like waved me in a Superman type of way like it's like camel toe I was like alright cool shit well and so I

recognized you but in a respectful way because I know I'm being filmed and I know I'm married but I also had to recognize your greatness and your chemistry. I appreciate that. How can I not? I appreciate that. Did I go too far?

No, you didn't. We're respecting each other. Because I respect you. I just wanted to know. And I respect the fact that if you wanted to flash a pussy, that shit was okay with me. It was okay with me. I just enjoyed it. I'm desensitized to the fact that I do that for money in a club a pussy, that shit was okay with me. It was okay with me. I just, I enjoyed it. I'm desensitized to the fact

that I do that for money in a club, so maybe that's it. No, but you did it for free today and it was fantastic. It was fantastic. Come on, Airfan. Nah, I'm saying it. Did you not say it?

I'm about to be a father, so I'm staying out of this. Nah, nah, I'm in a good way, man. Like, listen, man. You can go and listen to something, you can look at something that is very pleasurable. Absolutely, you can look, yeah. And you can not be in doubt.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, my wife, I love my wife. I feel like she trusts me a little bit, Charlie. Maybe I'm wrong. Did we introduce him already? Yo, let's go right now. Let's do it. Tell them how many people you fucking managed.

You still manage the fucking industry. I'm just a humble servant, that's all. No, let's talk about it then. He the first out the limo. He the first out the limo. You know, we don't have SUVs now, you know. Oh, shit. Ooh, ooh.

You know, a little something. You want to introduce him? No, you go ahead. You introduce him? Oh, shit. Ooh, ooh. I mean, a little something. You want to introduce him? You want me to introduce him? No, you go ahead. You introduce him. Oh, man. Listen, it was a pleasure and an honor and all that to even be sitting here. First of all, it's a pleasure and an honor to be on Drink Chance Podcast.

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I'm honored and it's a pleasure to be here. You have no idea. You have no idea. And I see Nori in Miami and the last couple times I saw you was in Miami. Yes. And I've been back in. It's been love, man. It's been love.

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the information, but they're saying that the Philly judge in Meek Mill case said they wanted him to stop being rock nation and to come to you, which is Charlie Mack. And then, and do a remake of Boyz II Men. Again, I don't know whether it's true or not

because I wasn't present. Okay. So, I don't know. But did you hear this? Of course. Everybody else heard it. Of course. What'd you say? Say it again? wasn't present. Okay. So, I don't know. But did you hear this? Of course. I heard it. Of course. What did you say?

Say it again? I said, of course. Everybody else heard it, yeah. All right. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when did you hear it? Actually, Kaiser.

Mike Kaiser told me that. Mike Kaiser. Mike Kaiser told me that. Big old Mike Kaiser. I came to the court that day, and he was like, wow, Charlie. The judge said, you know what I mean? She was like, shout out your name. I was like, oh, okay, cool.

Wow. And that was because you used to manage Boyz II Men? Well, I discovered Meek. Discovered Boyz II Men. Wow. Brought Will here to LA in 1987, 88.

Okay, you said that so humbly. I need for you to clarify when you say discovered. Discovered. Again, you sit in, you sit, taking that dust and making it a diamond, if you will. Yeah, like that, yeah, like that.

Here, sure, throw them again, throw them a couple times. Throw them a couple times, three or four more times. Which one do you want to start with? You want to start with, because first of all, let me just say this. Just let me know, let me just say this. Come next year, I've been in the business 40 years. I started at the age of 14.

I am 40 years old. Yeah, and I'm in the business for years. I started at the age of 14. I am 40 years old. Yeah. And I'm 52. Wow. Wow. And you look at 12. I look at 12. I'm 12.

The green doing something, you know what I mean? Goddamn, don't worry. We don't look at the green. We obviously have it. This side right here represent the years I've been living. This side right here represent my brothers that aren't here. I lost a lot of brothers, you know what I mean? So therefore, I won't die here. I am who I am.

I represent that. Let's explain how. Because with the exception of Hov, with the exception of Puff, Will has to be our person to look up to. Like it has to. Like I don't give a fuck what it is, I don't give a fuck if you don't agree

with Will's content of music, but you have to agree with Will's bank account. I think it's bigger than a bank account. Let me finish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now you seeing Will, like to me, this is 100%, I'm a street nigga, I'm a shooter.

Like I didn't have shooters. I am the shooter. He's my favorite person to follow. You had to break from there. He's my favorite person. This nigga follows camels and kangaroos. This nigga

Will is just, he's doing different shit. He scares a guy that is his friend from Bohemia. It's fucking, do you watch Will Smith on fucking Instagram? You haven't seen him on the drums singing? I'm just saying, like he's one, like aside from Puff and Hov, and now when you think of the richest people in hip hop,

we think of Puff and Hov, but the problem is we don't think of Will. No, no, can I please interject? Absolutely. Okay, so here's the thing. You said Will, Puff, and Ho. Yes. It's three different dynamics in that. Jay-Z will be the guy that came from nothing. Right.

That came from the projects and took it- I think all three. But listen, listen, no, no. Jay-Z will be the guy that came from the projects, from nothing, public housing, and took it to a level that we were all like. But listen, let's not, okay, he's the only guy that came from the projects from nothing, public housing and took it to a level that we were all like, holy shit, nobody could come from,

nobody could come from there and go to there. Okay. Puff was the kid that showed the hustle. He didn't necessarily come from humble means, he wasn't poor,

but he showed if you work hard enough and you believe in this ideal hard enough. I think if you've seen Can't Stop, Roll Stop, you will disagree with that statement. But listen, but listen, but listen.

If you grind it out. Okay, I'm listening. And Will was the kid that was, okay, I'm from the inner city. I'm not necessarily poor. But my vision is so big that if you work hard enough and you grind it, you don't have to be a gangster to make it out. You don't have to be a killer to be like I made out. You can still be a guy that's like I'm black and I represent the culture, not necessarily the hood culture or the worst, but I came from a neighborhood. I think I can say what you're trying to say a little better.

Meaning, they were used to the New York hoods, right? Right. We were not used to the Philadelphia hoods at all. We actually thought Philadelphia was lying. Right. But it was all aspirational. You said you thought that we were lying? Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying.

No, no, we're talking. Because we thought it was a cheese thing. No, that's a New York thing. New York is a, New York is a, New York only gives a fuck about New York. That's, listen, New York rap is suffering now. That's just New York only gives a fuck about New York. Yeah, exactly. This is the reason New York didn't collaborate with nobody in the South or the South.

That's what happened. New York didn't collaborate with nobody in the West or the West. Exactly. We was all like, yo, we do New York. We do New York. But you got to think, though, you got think, though. You got the black mafia engine. No, no, no. This is what I'm saying.

I'm talking about for people who didn't travel outside of New York. Got it. When you got people who travel outside. But I think that's everywhere. I think that's everywhere. When you had people who traveled outside of New York. New York never reached out and gravitated towards another city. Another city.

New York has always been like, yo, we number one. We set the bar, right. Look what it's doing. Even the Barrels. Even the Bar one. We set the bar, right. Look what it's doing. Even the Burroughs. Even the Burroughs. The Knicks suck. But the New Yorkers are still like, yo, the Knicks, nigga.

What the fuck? What the fuck? It's the Knicks. Like, yo, the Knicks ain't been good in years. But the New Yorkers are still like, yo, we ride with the fucking Knicks. The fucking Clippers,

the Celtics, the Lakers, the Miami Heat. Yeah, game up on them niggas. OK, see, all that and one championship with the bit to the playoffs. But we like this. Man, Knicks, nigga, fuck this.iggas. OK, see, all 101 championships, been to the playoffs. But we like this, man, Knicks, nigga, fuck this.

Yeah, let me, because we saw it in New York for in your mind. We don't care about the Nets. Charlie, Charlie, no. Yes, sir. I'll give you an example of why I was one of the first New York niggas to mess with a Farad, to mess with a David Banner. Cash money. To mess with a Cash Manning.

Mm-hmm. Because I was one of them dudes that went out of town and said, oh, these niggas is so famous. Absolutely. Like, I was one of them niggas. Like, I was the first person to work with Eve. Right. Her name was Eve of Destruction. Absolutely.

She wasn't even Eve. Right. Absolutely. She wasn't even with Rough Riders. She was with Dre and them. What's the thing? After Man. What's the thing? And I was doing some writing. She wasn't even with Rough Riders. She was with Dre and them. Aftermath. Aftermath.

And I was doing some writing for that camp. And I'm not gonna tell you because they still pay me. But, I'm not gonna tell you, but that's how I hooked up with E. And her name was E with Disruption. And that's the crazy shit is, like, see, for New York,

we just, at one point, we just had an eye vision of where we see, we see forward. But now, a person like me,

when I started to travel and I started to see the reason why back that ass was working, the reason why fucking, you know,

clips. Clips. Clips Clips Clips I'm in they first video Right I'm in they first video I'm in I'm grinding

And Pharrell begged me And said yo please Can you come here And I paid my own money Right That's why Push the T You ain't on this podcast

Steph Listen man I'm about to come see you Push the T Right He's my friend Right This is a great threat

Absolutely It's a good threat It's my friend. This is a great threat. It's a good threat. It's a great threat. It's a great threat. But what I'm trying to say is, New York, we had it so much that we could have been that sport where we couldn't recognize other things. But me being an older person

and me being a person that's global because I've always been black and Puerto Rican, so I always had to have a balance between me. I always had to be two people. So I knew that I had to be two. That's why I'm the first person that Lil Wayne ever collabed with. Wow, that's big.

1999? I was trying to cash money because for a while, for a stretch, they wouldn't deal with nobody. I was the first person. And Cormega. Let me bring up Cormega. Let me not take away anything from you, Cormega, because I know me and you was in that same.

But what I'm saying is we took those certain risks, and that is the reason why there's people like Busta Rhymes. There's people like Fat Joe, and there's people like myselfusta Rhymes, there's people like Fat Joe, and there's people like myself who said, you know what? We're going to be New York niggas all day, but we're also going to reach outside of our normal aspect and bring in other people.

I think Fat Joe said that in the podcast. He was in Miami and Atlanta. He knew that she was bumming down there. That's the thing. New York has been its going to all the clubs and all the places. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing. New York has been its own, its worst enemy and its best enemy. Like, its best friend and its worst enemy. Because New York was so poppin' it one time that we was like, yo, we New York.

No, no, we didn't need. We don't need to reach out to y'all. Yeah, we didn't need. We poppin'. We got the best bars. We got the real lyricists. We got niggas that really got skills in bars. Right.

And then we didn't even take into account that it might be a nigga somewhere else that could do the same thing. Then when they should start a bubble, we was like, let's fuck out of here. This down south country shit on this black ass dance. And then we had the mad rapper telling niggas, yo nigga, yo nigga, y'all niggas can't do shit.

Come on. Yo, Derrick, D-Dy, Angelina, we need to know, how did the mad rapper get invented? How did this get? First off, Derrick D. Di Angeletti, let me just tell you something. We have a whole podcast of you and your producer skills and everything you did as a hitman, right? Because your legacy can't be wrapped up right now, right? Because it's so, pause, pause.

It's so big, it's so long, pause. Hold on, hold on, hold on. If your pedigree, your resume is intact, you don't never got to say pause, you ain't going to make it. I know, but I just, you know, I just wanted to be. Thank you, listen, your pedigree is intact and your pedigree, like you ain't got to say anything. Listen, this is a real big up, but how, let's just stay to one part of your career

right now right let's do it first of all thank you no no no because it's so luxurious right Charlie Mack as well and Tony Rock so I'm just I'm just I'm these are my brothers right here yo D-Dot went to high school my brother Andre I knew D-Dot since I was like 10 years old absolutely let me just say Charlie Mack D-Dot went to high school. My brother Andre. I knew D-Dot since I was like 10 years old. Absolutely. Let me just say something. Charlie Mack, D-Dot, Tony Rock. I'm going to just be honest.

Let me humble myself. It's like all of you guys deserve an episode of us just talking to y'all for five hours by you guys. So I'm just saying, Charlie Mack, nigga, I was so out. I was like, it's Charlie Mack. He wants to come like Tony said like Tony said my daughter asked me just now my daughter Domino right there she found out I was coming she was like so you're doing drink champs like you're going drink champs I watch it and the other thing I'm saying these are two and three or four hours were for viewers

I'm saying I want to invest it and it ain't too many things I'm saying that at this point, in the end of your life, I'm saying you won't give that much time to if it ain't a check associated to it. So no, it's the culture, it's the thing. But more so I'm saying y'all important to us, you know what I mean? And it is, it is, it's respect, what I'm saying. It's informative, it's real, so for me I connect with that.

You know what I mean? This is what I'm saying, is informative, you know what I mean, it's real. So for me, I connect with that. You know what I mean? This is what I'm saying, all three of y'all deserve your own three hour episode because I can go into each one of y'all careers. But the irony is, D-Dot invited me to do his show, Connect the Dots, right? Yeah, because D-Dot, you got a show here, you got a show.

We're coming, we talking, we talking here, let's get it on. But he said, he was like, Charlie, we can't do a few hours, which I got to do a day in the life. Wow. And just on you, because again, it's spanned so far. So it's not like we can get into anybody to work with. We just want to do it on you.

Right. You know what I mean? So I'm like, you know, that's cool. That's honorable. And I'm humble. You know what I mean? Even more ironic is like we have a history from Brooklyn before we even got into what we got into. Before you got into what you got into. we even got into what we got into before you got into what you got into

Before I got into what I got into then when I got into it I have a issue with you right from six degrees separation Of course in the 90s we use our Coby and me were bringing you down to Philly doing your shows. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. So I did it. Thank you for crossing the line. So we all family.

We all family. It's all family. It's all family. Yo, but how did that mad rapper persona... Yeah, come on. We all enjoyed that one. Because one, let me just tell you something one thing that a lot of people don't know Is at the same time?

When the mad rapper scenario came up you will also have the number one record in the world indeed So a lot of people were just Oh Yeah, I love it. I love it Man that was a Man man man. Man, Gino, Gino, you can't save her. Muscles off, baby.

Let's go. But this is the crazy thing, boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give her water. Please, somebody. I'm from Water and Co. Yeah, please, guys. Water and Co.

Because a lot of people didn't understand that you were playing the persona of a hurt person, a person that had nothing, but at the same time, you was on the, you was on top seven records. Yeah, absolutely. And that started with Skits first, right? Just Skits? Did it start out as like a Skit joke? It was just a Skit.

But then it took out the other guy out of control. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you. How did it start? Well, at that time, we had the East Coast, West Coast thing going on. Remember, we in the middle of that. So we're sitting in the studio one day, B.I.G., Puff, and Junior Mafia, and staff, and everybody. And a video come on the screen. And it's that video that Pac had made up where he was playing big, and they were playing Puff.

I think it was called Hit Em Up. I think it was the name of it. And we're sitting there like this. Oh, shit. Like, this is crazy. You know our flow from the 90s. We want to get the money, the chicks, the cribs, the cars. We don't want no problems. We come in peace, peace, peace.

We come like that. Now you can't be serious. We getting ready to put up new beats. We getting ready to rah. We getting ready to rah, rah, peace. We come like that. Now you can't be serious. We getting ready to put up new beats. We getting ready to rah. We getting ready to rah, rah, rah. It's pandemonium. Phone calls are being made. What the fuck is going on?

And I'm sitting back like, man, this shit is for real. But we can't get involved in that. That ain't the life. I ain't living like that. I don't want to have to walk around strapped all day. That shit crazy. I just here to make some music. You know what I mean?

So one day I just, I know how to get them back. It's like how you kill somebody with kindness. So I'm just going to make fun of them. Like haters. Like just haters. So the Mad Rapper was a spoof of Tupac and Death Row? It wasn't a spoof of them. It wasn't a spoof of them.

It was a spoof of anybody. Of haters. That was hate on us. That energy. That energy. We, our energy is giving money. We showing you boom. You know, we come in peace, fam.

Think about it. Like, look at us. Look at us. We put on shiny suits for niggas. Right. These are the realest, some of the realest niggas you don't These is real they just make this real But and they willing

To compromise yeah, did y'all reach out? And they willing to compromise. Yeah. Did y'all reach out to Death Row? For the culture. Did y'all ever reach out to Death Row to try to dead this whole shit when it was like at its height? Of course we did. Really?

We come in peace. We want the brain. Who reached out to who? Come on. That right there is going to just have to stay where it stays. Yeah. It's going to have to. That's going to have to stay where it stays.

You know what I I mean we don't make it to be almost 50 all right with that type of shit right okay I understand so so where we got to the mad rapper was the beauty of it was I had used the people from the studio so the guy that's doing the voice was Trevin Jones that was his real name he was Puff's like second cousin or something to that fact that was his real voice he was puffs like second cousin or something to that thing that was a voice good morning everyone how are you everything he'd come in every day and I'm climbing them every day anyway so it was natural and the girl who did the hi this is Shay she went to front desk girl that was a real name Shay she just wasn't from new Rochelle and I told him

what to say how to say and I just went in the actual skit is four minutes long but we only use 45 seconds they actually came out and you actually understood that it was working how was the approach are you saying people coming back to you and saying we got to keep this going I got a shout out DJ Clue wow big up Clue I got a big up clue. I'm doing the Mad Rapper and he allowed me to put a freestyle on one of his tapes. Like an interlude, but I turned it into a rap to keep it alive. Like, fuck it, it's alive. And he put a tape out and I put a verse out and now I'm on the streets with a verse okay then puff says let's do another one for my album but this time I came with another character now I'm gonna do oh yeah now I'm gonna do oh

yes I'm gonna bring a brother now you know I'm gonna bring the brother in and I'm gonna turn this into a franchise why would not but we're not let me in us that's where he came from distraction very distracted is that they could give you all the things you need to destroy yourself. Right, right, right. That's what Tony Rock is like. Tony Rock is bringing everything you need to destroy yourself. Yo, Raskast is in the mother fucking movie.

Shout out to Raskast in the building. West Coast legend. What's up, dude? What's up? What's up? Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack.

Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Because when you think of Will Smith, right, the thing about Will Smith is he's a person that I would personally

like to pattern myself after. The only reason why people will never say you're trying to be like Will Smith is because I was a shooter. Because you're a shooter. That's it. But I really wanted to be the same exact person that Will Smith is going.

And the fact that I shot somebody, and it's prodigy for him for throwing that out there. But, yes, but I really wanted. With the music that y'all was coming with from that. It's very true. I'm sorry. You're bringing it a whole different way. You're fucking up my whole thing. With the music that I was coming with from that is very true. I'm sorry What I'm trying to say is will has one of the best careers of a hip hop like yeah Yeah, like and what I mean by that is blueprint is Nobody was bad at will, if you ever said,

if you ever said, like, if Will was ever a Drake, meaning you found out somebody was writing Will's rhymes, we wouldn't have gave a fuck. Like, we didn't care. Like, to this day, we heard that Nas was better at Will.

Because he's bigger than hip-hop. He wouldn't give a fuck. Yeah, no, that was during, like, after Independence Day, Ali, things like that. Because literally we were doing Big Willie Styles while we were filming. No, but what I'm saying is you actually managed Will even prior to that? No, I was Will's confidant. You know what I mean? So, I don't know what that means.

Because you got to show how they like consulted him. Lorenzo, yeah, Lorenzo Penn, Lorenzo Penn, then Benny Medina, James Lasseter, and then of course Benny Medina. Wow. His manager. But me, I'm the guy with him every day, all day, every day. Again, so for me, I was just more so like just making sure your rhythm is right. What? Making sure you understand what's out there, what it feel like. What it smell like. What it taste like.

Making sure there's none of those job ass turkeys. Yeah. Of course. You know what I mean? And again, it's weird because I remember, I think we was on Run's house tour. And so we came back to those times. I've recently seen real close to a picture with him and Run DMC. And he had it all.

All those photos are my photos. Yeah, those are Jolly Macs. I took those photos. All the photos. Any photo that you see, Throwback Thursdays, like I'm the Throwback Thursday king. Right. So any photo you see that Will took, you know what I mean, they have.

And then Lowell's man said Charlie Mack. But the thing about it was that, again, for me, I'm not knowing, no, I did know. I knew that this was going to matter some years down. Will, of course, didn't want that. He was like, why you taking all these pictures? And now, guess what? Now what matters now? And then, of course, he's that type of guy.

I was that type of guy. He used to dog me out about being on Instagram, right? now, guess what? Now what matters now? And then, of course, he's that type of guy. He used to dog me out about being on Instagram, right? Now, guess what? You can't get him off of Instagram. He's the best guy. Wait, wait, wait. He's the best Instagram fan. He's crazy.

He's the best guy. Dog me out, right? Because again, if you look at my, I'm like the Instagram bully, like I'm the one there. I'm like, it was made for me because of course, I'm taking pictures. You know, I was hanging out with like, How Come Michael, Will Montgomery,

Daryl Dawkins, Earl Curtin. Like this was like 70, 78, 77, 78. So for me, I've always been a fan. I've been the ultimate fan with the ultimate access. So with Will, when he decided, okay, I'm going to do this, whenever he wanted a picture, he's like, call Charlie. Because I got now, watch this. He was married 20 years this past New Year's Eve.

I gave him this poem that he actually wrote to Jada in 1997. You gave him this poem? No, no, Will wrote a poem to Jada. Give me a poem, nigga. No, no, no. I need a poem, nigga. Will wrote a poem to Jada. I've been married 12 years.

I need to keep it going. You got to give me a poem. Will wrote a poem. He gave me the poem. He gave me the physical paper. So I kept it for 20 years. I got it for 20 years. I got it actually framed last year

and gave it to him on December 18th this year. You know what I mean? And so I'm like a hoarder, so I keep everything. I keep everything. So like when Will was nominated for the first Grammy. Oh you had a story in it. Yeah, I have all the balance. Okay, so I just want to clarify something

because you said something earlier and I want the Dream Chance fans to clarify that. Because you said, we said Will Smith name, you said you discovered Will Smith. No, no, no, I took him and introduced him to me, and again, he gave him the first Prince of Bel-Air. Okay, so now. That's what I did.

But was that Meek Mill when I said, Meek Mill, and you said you discovered? I discovered Meek, yes. Okay, I need you to clarify. Meek and Boyz II Men as well. Okay, I need you to clarify. Boyz II Men, crazy. I know, listen, listen, listen. Charlie Mack, I wanted, but said no, who the fuck you are. Okay, I need you to clarify. Hey. I know.

Charlie Mack, I wanted to know who the fuck you are. Me personally. This is my job as a drink champ. Absolutely. You got to make a point. I got to let the people understand who you are. Absolutely. The shit that you just said, that's not no normal shit.

It feels normal to me. Of course. No. that's not no more shit it feels it feels normal to me of course no I'm gonna tell you I had a weird moment one time we was we was in London and we was on tour boys the man right and I was sitting there I was like god damn it's like these guys are boys the men but mind you man they grew up together I know Nick since he was three years old okay I'm with Kobe the day that Jerry West calls him in his house when he tells him, Charlotte's gonna draft you and then we're gonna take you over to Lakers. I'm there with him.

Cuz Kobe's from Philly as well. He's from Philly. Okay, right. Get Charlie out. So, but again- Go ahead, Charlie, man. Charlie Mack going in. Charlie Mack is going in. Charlie Mack is going in.

He's everywhere. Charlie Mack is a good skunk, Charlie. Charlie Mack made you some good shit, go have it. We'll like to refer to it as Charlie Gump, if you will. You know what I mean? So there's a bunch of historical moments. No, okay, but let me just, I'm so sorry because your shit is floating. No, it's all good.

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meets Boyz II Men, right? That's what I was going to say. So Yaz, I'm Manish Yaz. He played Michael Bivens, Hakeem from Empire. The guy in there, the big tall guy was me and then the group of my group brotherly love played boys the men So it was like really like an out-of-body kind of surreal moment Wow watching that being played Oh, it didn't happen that way just something to it. That was my son to play me So so Mike actually wanted me to do it, but I refused to do it. I want to fucking invite each other back. This nigga's got this game of the crazy.

Wait a minute. Yeah, so for me, the way it actually happened was, Nate used to be in a rap group. Nate from Boyz II Men. He used to be in a rap group called JDTR. And so I remember him and his family going to church every Sunday, and my brother used to make him sing Menudo songs. Oh, shit.

I used to sing Menudo songs. Don't tell niggas laugh about that part. So when he found out he was a New Yorker, he was bullying him to make him sing Menudo songs, right? Alright, don't let nobody laugh. So you know there was five, if you look at the movie, there was five guys in it. So Mark Nelson actually was the original member. Alright, you gotta talk about Mark Nelson. Alright, Mark Nelson.

Move it to the left a little bit. Oh my god, it's very, very thin fabric. It's very little bit. Oh my God, it's very thin fabric. It's very thin fabric. It's thin fabric. It's okay. So, so, so, so Mark Nelson actually came back from California, came to Philly. He got with Nate and then he told him he had an idea for a group. Mike was the last guy in the group.

Mike, Mike, Mike, uh, Beavis. Mike McCarrion. Oh. Mike McCarrion. You're talking about boys and men. So, Mike McCarrion. I'm talking about boys and men. Alright. So, they put Mike in the group and Mike McCarrick. You're talking about boys and men. So, Mike McCarrick. I'm talking about boys and men.

Right? So, they put Mike in the group and then they see me. I was going with a young lady by the name of Mimi Brown that was at DAS in Philly. She said, why don't you go to this event with me? I go to the event. Five guys run up to me and he says, that's Charlie Mack. They run up to me. They say, can we sing for you?

And I was like, sing? I said, you was a rapper. So, you sang in the movie, when, new edition movie. Yeah. That was actually you? That was me, that was me. I'm saying again. Oh, I thought they sang for Michael Bibbins.

On the bus, on the bus, on the scene in the bus. Let me tell you what happened. So again, so they walk up to me. Oh! So they walk up to me and they like, you know, that's Charlie Mack. So they say, could we sing for you? They sing, Can You Stand the Rain?

I was like, God, damn. So Michael Bibbins is nowhere around. No, let me finish, let me finish. Okay. So they sang, could we sing for you? They sang, Can You Stand the Rain? I was like, God damn. So Michael Bibbins is nowhere around? No, let me finish. Let me finish. Okay. So they sang for me. Me and Will was living together at the time in Lower Merion. I go back home at the time.

Will's 19. I'm like, Will, I got this group of boys. They crazy. But Will's inside of his situation. You know what I mean? He's young. So Mike Tyson invites me to a party to play them out here. A lot of names will be thrown around here.

I come to the party. A lot of names. I come to the party. I come to the party. I come to the party and Michael Benz is there. I said, Mike, I got this group in Philly named Boys the Men. He said, I said, they have seen any of y'all songs better than y'all. He said, I'll be in Philly next week at the powerhouse.

Met this guy backstage at the powerhouse. I get back to Philly. I said, if you want to meet somebody, who would you want to meet? You want to sing? Somebody who you want to sing for? And he said, no audition, because of course, Boys the Men.

I said, I'm going to get you auditioned with them. Meet me back door at the powerhouse. So they came that day, two of them stuck in the front door, got to the three end. Came backstage, BBD was back there, they sang Can You Stand the Rain. Mike said, well I got a deal

that I'm gonna do with Gerald Busby. Gerald Busby's in New York. We went back on tour the next day, because you know, of course, all the birthday parties, everybody's coming in there on tour. So we go out of town, Mike takes Boyz II Men up to New York for Gerald Busby the rest of history as you would say nice

nice True story true story Don't sleep on will Smith will Will Smith was street. He had bars. He had the bars to fall at pop stuff. Let me tell you another thing, too. You can check this. Okay? Ask Eric.

Ask LL. Ask Ron. I'm talking about today. When you say Eric, you're talking about Eric. Eric B. and my camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Today, okay? We've never took a L.

And we had many fights. Okay? We've never taken a L. Not one. Listen. Not one. Not one. Not one. You hear what I'm saying to you? Definitely never took a L, and we have many fights. We've never taken a L. Not one. Not one. Not one. Not one. You hear what I'm saying to you?

Definitely never took a L. This is a secret. This is a secret. This is not one. Now you got me with this one. Not one. Not one. And we've been in the game, I'm telling you, this will, 30, 32 years at this point.

Okay? Never took a L. That's what I was saying when I said Jay-Z is from the hood niggas, and they recognize, and they identify with Jay-Z because he's from a hood nigga, but that don't mean hood niggas and niggas that grew up middle class ain't the same niggas. Niggas that grew up middle class is like,

yo, I fight too, I'll fuck a nigga up too. I'm a bad nigga now too. I was there, he had who you were. You know what I'm saying, that's what I'm trying to say. Like, niggas in middle class is like, yo, I'm not, I moved that nigga down too. I was there. He had who you were. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm trying to say. Like, niggas in middle class, like, yo,

I'm not a sucker because I'm middle class. Let it be known. No, but Will was in middle class. Where'd it go? No, he grew up upper middle.

Okay. Upper middle. But that's what I'm saying. It don't mean a street nigga, it don't mean, like a nigga from Jay-Z, from the projects,

Marcy Projects, it don't mean, because he from Marcy Projects, that a nigga like upper middle class won't still stand up for his, and fight for his, and back a nigga down for his. Like Tony just said, I'm saying Will's the person, I'm telling you right now, because it happened with us

so many times. If it's an inkling that's going down, he sucker punch you. Right. From the rip. From the rip. If it's a what? I'm talking about, no, I'm saying. He'll sucker punch you.

If he thinks he's an inkling. He thinks he's a chicken la he was in LA doing fresh Prince and he was a some chicken you probably know what it's way better than I do he was was dating some girl. Tony Mack know everything. And Johnny Gill was dating the same girl. OK. And they was beefing back and forth. You know, like, tell Will.

I said this. Will and Johnny Gill. Johnny Gill was like, this is some. And they met at some rap party. This is some Dave Chappelle shit. I'm just throwing it out there. Will told me this shit. We're going to make a comedy skit about this.

And they met at some rap party. It was like the second season of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Johnny Gill comes to the rap party. And Will said he took a bottle of fucking champagne and poured that shit out and had that shit behind I'm like yo I'm a crack this nigga this fucking head with a bottle You gotta think about this now watch this watch this now think about this you know better than me I think about this though. I'm saying frame it is for you right you think about this Jada's really they come Right wait Jada

The real Jada Jada Kiss, we're talking about Jada Pink. Jada Pink. Alright, cool. The real Jada. Jada Pink. Not the real Jada. No, no, no. Jada Kiss is real too, that's my brother. But watch this, what I'm saying to you is that Jada, of course, is really, they come, she's from Baltimore. Right.

Jada's a G. She also said that she was alive in the two Baltimore movies. Jada married the first prince. Okay, she ain't married no sucker. Look at her pedigree. Prior to that, all thorough, know me what I think Chris thorough I'm saying but they didn't marry her. She married Will Smith. Okay, so something to be said for that Why you got to know if you don't want to know a few things that I'm saying first and foremost

You won't take care of me. Right? Secondly, I'm saying for Joe to get out of pocket. I'm gonna handle that That's right. So that's that's proven. I's gonna do the old school. He said Joker when they say He said I'm saying every chick in the business once you yeah, no, I think one negative business don't want period I'm saying no the dude in the corner getting paid attention to right. It's the dude I'm saying everybody trying to get in right okay, so again I'm saying it speaks for itself But I'm saying this going record then never been at illness on the side of the table What would the kind of be kids are rap because that's what they were?

Known as because I was of course the street dude. I was a street dude. You know I mean Not as a Philly person and I apologize Now that I'm bringing back to you so close At one point it just felt like Meek was taking L's. That who? Meek. Meek. Meek was taking L's?

Yeah, L's. It just felt like Drake. Again, that's after my time. I don't know. Yeah, I'm just asking. How did that feel? Because the thing about it is. Well, I'm going to jump in with you.

I'm saying Meek is, again, he's proven that. Again, for me, that's the thing that actually is. Well, I'm going to jump in with you. I'm saying, Mika's, again, he's proven that. Again, for me, that's the thing that actually drew me in. Like, I know, I'm saying, there ain't nobody going to ride or bounce that beat in the way that Mika's going to get in the pocket. You know what, let me be more particular. Let me just say, him with Drake. Once he went at Drake.

Yeah, again. It felt like that was a bad move. That's all subject. Because, again, it's like Jay-Z and Nas, all that's all subject because again, it's like Jay-Z and Oz right? So that's about who where you at and what you think of what actually when somebody says, um, you know, nori Don't have a lyrics. I'm saying if that's a person I'm saying that you look at I'm saying what you looking for Where are you actually judging it because there's people that love you the same way love hold You know, I mean so you can't again this subject is based on what I respect that you know, I mean

So again, I'm saying I don't see me cause taking Philadelphia respect that. You know what I mean? So again, I'm saying, I don't see Meek as taking, Philadelphia didn't see Meek as taking no L, period. Right? So again, I'm saying. But how did it feel when the world thought that? Because the thing about it was,

I'm with you. Like, I'm with you. I felt like Meek's stance was actually appropriate, right? But the world felt like Meek tweeted as opposed to rhyming. And when Drake actually rhymed that, it kind of made him feel like he won that situation.

Again, a subject. A subject. 100%. Plus, I think... No, he's 100%. The Meek-Drake thing was a bigger picture that people didn't even realize. It was light skin, dark skin.

It was both parents versus single mother. It was hood versus suburbs. It was fucking, it was all that. It was like, well-spoken. You gotta ask MC here. It was well-spoken versus the nigga from the hood. But then, listen, it was all those dynamics. And you're gonna agree with this.

It was all those dynamics, and then it was his response was weak as fuck. No, it's first. The streets was like, yo, we want you to win. Street niggas was like, yo, Meek, we want you to win. We waiting for you to respond to this motherfucker and kill him. And then you didn't respond the way we wanted you to respond. That's when they said he took a L. Correct me if I'm wrong, RazzCast.

RazzCast, correct me if I'm wrong. Please tell me. Please tell me I'm wrong. Please, please, Razz. I don't think Tony wrong. No, no, no. This is why you have to make noise for what the fuck he just said. Because you know why? It was a bigger thing. It was a bigger situation. Meaning, meaning, meaning. It was Philly.

When Urban America's versus Toronto. Who raps in Toronto? On tour. I was on tour. As a person that be on tour, I can tell you that. While I'm on tour, I'm not giving it the one million percent of acknowledgement that I can be. Because I'm on tour and I'm going out and I'm getting my dick sucked or something.

This is way before I was married. I'm sorry. You looked at me like you knew my wife. Meanwhile. Meanwhile. I'm going out. I'm doing certain things. So I'm not exactly focused.

So when he said that, I related to that. But I knew that I was the only person that kinda related to that other than rappers. Right. You know what I'm saying? Listen, hip hop is a culture. No, I'm giving it to you. Let me say this, hip hop is a culture.

Hip hop is the way you dress, the way you talk, the way you walk, the way you drag people. So while I'm not a rapper, I am from the hip hop culture. So I am a hip hop artist, although I'm not a rapper. I am A little bit of credit when he says yo, I was on tour. I fully understand it because Not just that I'm saying No, I'm doing firsthand so I know it's process He's a person that will live, die, eat, sleep shit in the studio, right?

So if you can't get in there and do what you do, I'm saying again, if it's mine somewhere else, it's mine somewhere else, period. Right. That's just what it is. What happens to the general public? General public is, I'm saying, demanding some of you. But again, general public don't have to handle it.

So whatever you say out your face, it's always fire. So you gotta make sure there's fire. But look, there's the court of law and there's the court of public opinion. Right, right, right. He's right. He's right. He's right. Let me drop the joke.

Let me drop the joke. Listen, you got to prepare for war and time of peace, right, at all times. Absolutely. So if you're not prepared. Right, because I'm going to go in battle. Right, so basically when you go into negotiation, if you ain't prepared to get up and walk away. But that part, you're losing because he actually started the battle. That's my point.

That's my point. So you went into war unprepared. With a motherfucker that got bars up here already. Okay, let me get in here. No, let me say one thing and I'm going to pass it to you. I'm going to say one thing and I'm going to pass it to you. The one thing was

Drake's whole thing was you say something to me and I'll never get a reply for it That was like one of his one of famous the thing was he made two songs before he made one His most famous shit you diss me and you'll never get to ever apply for it. So Meek wasn't out of his mind to say something and think, oh, fuck it, he just said it. Now, let's get into rap. Let me introduce you properly. Let me give you a proper introduction, guys. One, you're one of the lyrical giants.

One, you're a person who understands lyricism, and you're a person who understands, like, with no disrespect to any of us here, and I'm putting me in the same category, you've been in lyrical war with some of the biggest people in the game. So now, I need to hear your analysis. I was going to say this.

Okay. Drake has one thing, game. So now, I need to hear your analysis. I was going to say this. Okay. Drake has one thing, the same thing when Cannabis got into it with L. If you don't have two in the chamber, you already lost the fight. So you're going to do one. It's called a ferret. I'm going to say some shit first. If I'm

going to start it, but I'm going to have something already in response to what I already know you're going to say about me. You better be prepared. So you got to have a knife, then you got to have a mach say about you better be prepared cuz you got a knife You gotta have a machete Chatty with the knife so you don't call me thinking I still got the night gonna plug the machete and chuck your head on so that would meet who I feel is You you kind of said some funny shit you like projects dark skin. I'm like straight here. It's the light-skinned niggas

Drank it's Canadian team like He was like projects dark skin. I'm like straight hands the light-skinned niggas drink Look all the basketball niggas is delighted. I'm telling you, it was a little bit of a war going on. I was like, nigga, where's the Wesley Stipes? Nigga, where the right niggas at winning? So, Drake was in a great position. And honestly, Meek went at him and wasn't prepared. And nobody cares about I wasn't ready.

If he wasn't ready, nobody cares. To this day, nobody cares. If you're not ready, you're not going to fight. You're right. You're right. You're you're not ready explain why nobody don't care if you're not ready we live in a social media world everything is instantaneous and media i can get out here right now and get ahead of everybody and make up a story and until you can once it goes out it's kind of hard to put the two pages back in the tube Everything is instantaneous. I can get out here right now and get ahead of everybody and make up a story. And until you can, once it goes out, it's kind of hard to put the two pages back in a tube.

So, dude went out and then Drake, then he finessed him, he did the, he made club party disc records that the chicks could sing to. It was a fucked up design, he was smart on it. And I don't know Drake like that. I don't know Meek like that. You know, I'm a student of this game.

Some people have more interpersonal relationships. Drake got a team, nigga. He got seven niggas helping him come up with a couple of bars. You know what I'm saying? This is writing camps now. But plus, plus, plus. Let me know who disagrees on your read. You don't get no pass for that.

If I'm here to tell you a reason about of the greatest rappers that have bars ripped for them, I'm only 50 years old. Tell me if you agree. You bring those stories to me, dawg. Tell me if you agree or disagree. We don't give a fuck if you ready or not. We're the fans. We're the fans Difference you got one guy right versus ten guys, right?

Right is yourself I'm talking about Dwayne Burr. It better be the hot record. Ranking yourself, I'm saying, if you don't have time to do it. It's no fun. It's the comments I'm saying. Because the comments are like a team of writers. And the fans don't care. Hold on, hold on. Charlie Matt. Charlie Matt. Charlie Matt.

You're saying you're like Dwayne Burr. I want to go right back. I want to go back. Like every record he's writing, somebody's in there paying to win. We can't sit up here and say that. No, we can't say that. That's not what Blastroom is.

That's not what Blastroom is. No, no, no. So Charlie Matt. Charlie Matt. Yes, sir. One of the, we sat there. That's not what Blastroom is. No, no, no. So Charlie Mack. Charlie Mack. Yes, sir. We sat there. We had Steve Stout on our show. I watched it.

Yeah, I got to address Steve Stout, too, because he was a little disrespectful. Yeah, I watched that. He was a little disrespectful. Well, Steve Stout said, he said, he said, yes, Nas wrote Jiggy with it. Right? He did, right? He did, right. And then he said, Nas should have wrote more. right? He did, right. And then he said,

nah, I should have wrote more. Right? I mean, that's his opinion. Again, subjective. Subjective. Okay. So, how did you feel?

How did you feel when you heard him, like... Say that? Say that. I was there. Okay. I was there. So you knew that? I was there.

I'm saying, but Will's not going to like... But again, he's a a minute Maggie because an Ali Say he's doing more for those movies at the time. You know, I would let Nas right much Guess what? I'm saying the nothing upset about it. Well, I'm said about That record right there that out my dear there was as big as I am today. Wow. Yeah, as big as I am today. Can I ask a question?

Let me ask you a question. If I'm in a room, and I'm sitting in a room, Jay-Z, Memphis Bleak, Beanie Siegel, Young Chris, Young Chris, Style Peter, and every day we in the room with these guys. Why? Do we logically think, as grown ass men, that nobody in here sometimes is going to have a problem with this particular beat or, or? It's not different. It's no different. This is called production.

It's not called, make the best man write the best verse and you win that way. I don't know. There's no rule book to hip hop. I'm hip hop. You're right. I know. Not cool made the best man write the best verse and you win that way Probably run run late 80s 90s. That's what I think all the ghost rights start coming in Right because early on it was based on you being able to write No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Where that rule come from? Where that rule come from? You don't think your tapfights is shit? I'm gonna tell you the fact they did. I'm gonna tell you the fact they did. I'm gonna tell you the fact they did. I'm gonna tell you the fact they did.

I'm gonna tell you the fact you did. Check this out. I agree with what you're saying. But when does it change from a nigga helping you write or a bunch of niggas in the studio and one nigga goes, here's an idea And you go, yeah, I'm just gonna check that And a nigga, listen

Listen, when I'm on stage When I'm on stage, it's Mad Comics in the room And one nigga go, yo, here's an idea Son, when you said this, you could've said that That nigga didn't write that shit I had the idea, and here's the idea Witnessing come from ghostwriting to an idea, man. Yeah, no, I'm keeping it real honest. But what if the way you told it turned out to be coffee wasn't funny when you wrote it?

And the way he told you made it funny. No, that's not possible. No, but see, now you're taking it out of context. Let me tell you, what if Normie said something and we liked it, but I said, say it this way, and all of a sudden that's the most memorable line there is? Right. Again, but that's a question. Where does it come from? An idea? What if that? I didn't write it, but I that's the most memorable line there is. Right. Again, but that's... Where does it come from?

That's an idea. What is that? I didn't write it, but I made it. The most memorable line he did. But that's a line. It's a line from his... Who determines that? That's the most memorable line.

What I'm saying to you is your greatest rappers have done it. That's... I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. They've stolen, they've got it handed to them, and they borrowed. They all published the checks.

They all have done it! Of course! So my point to you is- Quincy said Michael did it! I'm saying that they go in, they say, go sign up, I'm sure there's a lot of people that's gonna hit me and say, yo, God, I ain't never had no money. And that's fine, but you don't get an award for that. What if you're whacking? No, no, no. The difference with D-Dot is saying, I think the difference with you is saying is,

you're saying if a hit record comes from anywhere, it comes from anywhere, right? No, but I'm also saying, I'm also saying if I coach you to become the greatest, you know D-Dot. I'm also saying I'm also saying if I coach you to become the greatest What's in this debate I'm just taking it. Let's go. I'm 100% agree with you. You don't think that next time while he's sitting to him, I might take that and put my own twist on it? You there. You got to remember. I'm going to give it to you. Yes, sir. The thing about it is I'm 100% agree with you.

I'm 100% that me sitting next to the studio with Nas made me step up to write my part of Body in the Trump. I'm 100% agree. But he didn't write it. He wrote your lyrics. He didn't write my lyrics. It was an idea. It was an idea. To believe you. I can 100% tell you

what you just said, it made me a better person because I sat there and when Nas... It's influence. It's influence. It's energy. It's influence.

It's a different thing from me saying I'm motivated because Nas is in the studio and now Nas is saying, here, you say this. Right. And you ignore it. Once you say you... Let me finish up.

I want to do... Let me add on with... Once a nigga say, here, this is your shit, you say this, now I'm not that artist. I have not... I haven't became the person that I... Stayed on the mountain to be. Stood on the mountain to tell these people that this is me.

Once a person does that, and I've done it, I've done it. Like where I gave my actual lyrics and gave it to another artist, and another artist said, you know, you know, I gotta tell you this line and this line because they didn't want to be me exactly there we go they didn't want to be me and the crazy shit is they saying no we're not gonna take your vision from you like if that's like like

pun pun gave me you came up what what making it happen what what was it in there he said you came up and I put what what making it happen what what was it in there he said you came up and i put what what making it happen from rapping on the car to possibly go i put my other lines in there just to say uh i wanted to know like even though you put that in a position but i got i want my own publishing and i'm saying nothing wrong with that I'm saying to you there are rappers throughout history that have written their own shit and they get all the props what I'm saying to you but I don't know when the rules like when the the rule that comes in that says if you're in this category you lose

credibility because someone else gave you something. That's a time-wrap category. That's a time-wrap category. So the rules, this is when it started. It was, first of all, there was personal responsibility in rap. You had to be the nigga you said you was. There was a time before the internet, before you even got in the studio

because it cost too much fucking money. Either your dope-dealing homie or your fucking friend that was fucking playing some sports. She was so cut. I don't want to cut you off, but you see what you just said? You isolated a certain section of rap. You gave a gesture.

You generalized the ruler. No, you generalized the ruler. That didn't apply. No, but we had Dana Danes. We had niggas making records that weren't trying to portray who they were. Because Dana Danes is a real project dude. This is a dude from a full-length project but just decided to make novelty records.

But it's also Rwanda. So, no, that's what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. But that don't define him as a man because of the type of records he made. No, no, no. Don't define him the records by that they gotta be that nigga.

And I'm saying that's fine. D-Dy, you just jumped past what I said. You just made everything. That's what I said. You want earlier stages of the shit somebody had to invest and it was not no record company It was it was within us within the confines of what? Situations we had yeah, but you had to be who you were. So even if Dana Day was just- No, you didn't. Dana Day- No, when it started-

No, he didn't. When it started, who was who they was? Listen, listen. When it started- Furious 5 was where we- That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was.

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That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what it was. It was seven when he did it. it was, I'm just so cool.

I got a fucking credit card says I wish you would. I got a fucking little outside takes me to the pool. Yeah. It was so cool. It was so cool.

Then it was, then it was, then it was, I'm so rich. I can do this. I can do that. I can take your bitch. Then it was so,

I'm so gangster. Then it was, yeah, I'm black power. Then it was, I'm so gangster. I fuck you up. Then it was, I sell so gangster was yeah, I'm black power then it was I'm so gangster fuck you up Then it was I sell drugs. I shoot your moms We're not called quest fitted. We're the day that our souls fit in. We just said that. We just said that. We're the brother of power. We're the brother of power. I said black power.

Yeah, but they wasn't black power. They weren't black power. They were called the, uh, the, uh, what? Native tongues. Native tongues. African. I was black power. I was two kings and a cypher.

That was black power. Before you. They weren't preaching to you. They weren't dropping the Jews. Some say y'all categorizing like we all had to portray who we really were. When I tell you you're waking up every day, I got a man who's wearing a fez with me. He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez.

He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez. He's wearing a fez. dropping the juice something y'all categorizing like we all had to portray who we really were when I tell him you waking up every day I got a man who's wearing the says with me he wearing a citizen on the fucking store sure furious five wasn't wearing the feathers and the belts to go to the store it was costume I'm saying the criteria of in my life. Reason being, reason being, reason being. You see me being quiet, that's because I honor it. Reason being, because I'm saying the criteria of being a rapper, again, to get your name, came based on, I'm saying lyrically, how you been rapping. Even when we think of gangster rap, what's my man that robbed a bank? Steady B.

Steady B. Cool C. Cool C. Cool C. Cool C. Both of B. Cool C. I'm cool with that. Steady B. Cool C. Both of them. Doing life. Definitely.

When we think of gangster rap, we immediately think of New York. And we immediately think of West Coast. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no.

No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no., Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube, Ice Cube,

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It's not a hip hop story. It didn't resonate with us until Eazy-E said, what about the bitch that got shot? Fuck her. You don't give a fuck about the bitch that had to suck her.. The group was like, oh shit, these niggas is crazy. We heard some of you. We heard some of you. We heard some of you. What is it?

The president went up and told them niggas to leave. Listen, tell me. Every time before I see somebody about to come on, you know, drink champ, I let go and I investigate them. And I'm really, you're really a hip hop guy. Niggas. Like, you know, look, like, I'm really really a hip-hop My brother had a party in the basement of our house who's your brother my brother's Chris

DJ we need to likeick Creed or something like that. DJ. Snap Back. Something like that. And we had a basement. We had a party. We had a party in the basement of our house. We didn't show up on DJ Snap Back. We had a party in the basement of our house.

I snuck downstairs into the basement. And I listened to a 45. A 45 of Run DMC Sucka MCs. It was the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life. You know how your ears. You know how greatest thing I've ever heard in my life. You know how your ears, you know how some shit has, it doesn't even register

in your ears because you never heard nothing like that before? So my ears was like, what the fuck is this? I've never heard nothing like this before. And Run DMC to this day

is the greatest fucking rap group of all time. So that day on, I've been a hip hop historian. Not a fan, historian. So Run DMC,

one of their whole records, they rap, what's the name in the whole verse Then I know somebody else's right, but they still the greatest rappers. They are the great trap Took the original record erecting because like Jay-Z said I didn't know that like Jay-Z said like Jay-Z said I didn't know So I brought the street. Walk This Way is not Run DMC writing. They took the original record of Walk This Way, the Aerosmith version, and put it into

a rap. What's Jaycee's lyric? I didn't cross over, I brought the street. Are they the greatest thing to do it? Run DMC is 20 years before. What do we say to that? I didn't cross over, I brought the street. What do we say to that?

I know you won, I just don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna do it. Same shit. Run the NCAA 20 years before, right? What do we say to that? I didn't cross over, I brought... What do we say to that? I don't know, I know you won, I just don't know. We said it, but I don't get it.

He literally, he did this. I don't know, I don't know. You definitely won. I just don't know what you won. What was your win, Baker? What I'm trying to say is, I'm trying to say is, what I'm trying to say is, we can't judge no hip hop, there's no category, there's no category.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, listen. If you claim to be one of the greats, you cannot be a GOAT if you don't care. So, so, so, so, so, alright, so me and Charlie Mack, right, me and Charlie Mack. There's one thing we do this all the time. Me and Charlie Mack discuss. One of Charlie Mack's favorite MCs of all time is Melly Bell. No, the favorite. I'm talking about recent.

Recent is Kanye West. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no. I'm going to turn the mic around. I'm going to turn the mic around. No, no, no. No, no, no.

No, no, no. I'm saying to you, I'm talking I'm going to turn the mic around. No, not the chorus, not the chorus, but how you wrote it. I said rapper. I ain't saying lyrics. Either way, either way, I'm still getting 10. No, that's the difference. You see what I'm saying? If I did top five lyricists, it's going to be the ones that wrote the five ones that wrote their lyrics. No, but listen here.

So he went from Jay Z to five. No, I wouldn't. See that? No, because I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again. I'm saying it again, I'm saying reason being because, again, there's lyrics, there's lines that you love from him that was written by somebody else.

Right. I'm saying it's not a big thing. Everybody knows that. He says, I'm going to give you this. I said Jay-Z. No, no. There's lines. You're not going?

No, no. What? Listen, there's lines. I'm talking about Jay-Z. No, no, Jay-Z. No, Jay-Z. Listen, Jay-Z, there's lines that you love from him that he didn't write. Yeah.

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