Drink Champs - Episode 126 w/ Royce da 5'9"

Episode Date: May 22, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys chop it up with Royce da 5'9". They talk sobriety, Detroit, Eminem, D12, Royce's new projects and more! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now tonight's guest is one of my personal favorite lyricists. The guy has had countless things that he's accomplished to this game. Started out in Tommy Boy Records. Turned down a Dr. Dre deal that could have changed his life. Rhymed. He's probably the only person who ever rhymed next side to Eminem and they didn't say that Eminem bodied him.

And I'm talking about they got like 9,000 records together and not one, like the nigga said that he bought. Maybe there's a couple. And maybe there's not. But I mean, every record that Eminem rhymed with anybody, they say that he demolishes them. He's probably the only guy that stands a chance.

He's a part of a legendary rap group that even they were beefing at one point. And then they came together and they made what's for the better cause of hip hop. Let's pick up the Slaughterhouse. And in case you guys don't know, then he made what's for the better cause of hip-hop. That's big up to Slaughterhouse. And in case you guys don't know, then he made another group with a legendary DJ, and they made two albums. Not one prime,

but they made two! And it's fucking fantastic! And then he goes on Funkmaster Flex. Let me wipe my sweat. I'm sweating in the beginning of the interview. This is very bad. Early sweat.

This is early sweat. Because this is how much I respect him. And he goes on Funkmaster Flex. And it was crazy because a lot of my younger homies and a lot of my people, they were coming up to me and they were showing me this footage. And they were shocked. And I wanted to respect their shockness. But I also wanted to say,

this ain't nothing new. And I don't want to be disrespectful to what you did, but I'm like, this dude been doing this for years. So in case you don't know who we talking about, we talking about motherfucking Royce Define.

Let me tell you. Let me're talking about motherfucking Royce Define. Let me hear some love, man. Now, Royce. Thank you, man. Thank you. You have such a rich hip-hop history. And so I want to take it from the beginning. I want the fans to actually understand your flight, your struggle, how you got to this very moment right here.

So, but I just took it from the beginning and I fast-forwarded you very fast. I'm so sorry. But let's take it from the beginning. So how is a young Royce getting to this game? Well, let me just give you these. Oh, yes, please, please, please, baby. We got a problem. I ain't going to lie.

Let me get it. Which one you got? What size you got? Don't worry about my size. All right, all right. Don't worry about my side Let's take it from the very beginning Okay, so what you want to know from the very beginning like how what is your start? What is your origins? What how does this happen?

Well, I come from Detroit Shout out to Detroit. Absolutely. Yo, man. I start it's crazy because I just bumped into my man scam I've been knowing scamam for a long time. That's family. He created the Drink Champs logo. God damn it. Make some noise for Scam. Let's go.

Bro, I started rapping. I was playing basketball in high school. I started writing my own raps probably sometime around the 11th grade. And I never told nobody. But why you said write your own raps probably sometime around the 11th grade, and I never told nobody. But why you said write your own raps? It sounded like someone was helping you before that. Oh, yeah. You might be reciting other shit you were hearing.

Let me make sure I clarify. Yeah, please clarify that, because people are going to be out there like, what? I started off mimicking people. So like LL Cool J, I'm bad like I memorized the whole video choreography and everything so my dad choreography and everything I'm bad was choreography My father used to have his friends and shit over Like that, but that's the technically way of describing what they were doing. That was choreography. My father used to have his friends and shit over. And he used to be like, Ryan, do the unbad shit.

Do the unbad. So I set the stool up, and I'd rap the shit, and I'd be doing all the moves. And that's how I started running BMC. Like, I could E-40, bring the yellow tape. I used to rap that shit exactly like 40. Exactly. Wow. So that's how I fell in love with hip hop.

So I started writing raps for myself to save for myself sometime around in high school. So when niggas used to be doing cyphers and shit, I never would tell nobody that I was writing raps. So right around 12th grade, me and one of my boys went to the hip hop shop in Detroit. I've been to the hip hop shop, and they had no security there. Bigged them up. Wait, what's the hip-hop shop for? The hip-hop shop is this, like, SOBs. It's like a real underground thing.

So this is the first time I came to a club, and they actually had no security nowhere. Like, I don't care about security. I'm just saying. Like, I'm just used to that and these niggas They just they just was in there right, bro. It's like a it's a clothing store You know more across the street from um um it's a chicken spot I love that chicken from from the hip-hop shop. Yeah on my buggy. He went to a different

Hello the shelter what's up with the st. Andrews? What's the cross street? I love that chicken Across the street Sweetwater So you went to Sweetwater I'm a hood nigga You can tell I'm a hood nigga That's what everybody do When they come to Sweetwater Okay alright cool cool cool West Iconic Conway

And they be like yo We're Sweetwater We need Sweetwater But yeah so this is like So this is like my first time Seeing This is before the internet Was like popping and shit

This is my first time Seeing niggas battle And like rap about What you wearing Battle back and forth I've never seen that before So I'm looking at LZI Eminem Proof This is my first time seeing niggas battle and rap about what you're wearing. Battle back and forth. I've never seen that before. So I'm looking at Elzai, Eminem, Proof. These niggas is like...

How old are they at this time? They probably in their 20s. I'm still a teenager. Well, not Elzai. Elzai was still young. And this is not the shelter. This is the what? Hip-hop shop.

Which is actually a shop. It's a store. It's a store. This is Maurice Malone's store. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. This is where, like, that our whole generation came from. It's kind of like birth from there.

I didn't flourish there, though. Because, like, they, Proof was the host. He had the mic passing it around. That's in peace, Proof. Yeah, he had the mic passing it around. So you get the mic, and you can rap, and you got, like, a few seconds to kind of, like, captivate the crowd, or DJ here to put this gong music on. You got to pass the mic.

Oh, it's baby Apollo. Yes, like the Apollo. So when I when I first got like the courage to rap there after I went a couple of times, I got gonged. So I got gonged and I ain't never rapped there again. So I started going to this other place called the Ebony Showcase after that. I got a little bit older. The environment was a little bit different. You wasn't standing around a circle of killer ass MCs.

It was more like just a crowd looking at you. And the stage was a little elevated. So when I rapped there, I got a better response. If it wasn't for the Ebony Showcase, I never would have. Wow. Because that gave you your confidence back. The hip hop shop almost broke me. Okay, but let me ask you that.

Because for artists that's starting out right now, and they had that same experience with you, where maybe they had the wrong DJ, maybe they played the wrong beats at the time. I said the wrong rap. You said the wrong rap. So how does an artist bounce back from that? Because I think my first show I ever did sucked too,

but I just had a gun on me, and I just felt like everybody knew I had a gun on me, and I was like, you're going to bounce. You're going to bounce. But I don't expect every artist to do that. So how do you bounce back from that? But whose first show is supposed to be really good? No one's first show is good.

Come on. No one's first show is good. It's part of paying dues. But as an artist, we don't know that. It's just like anything, man. Like I told you, I came up playing basketball, boxing. It all applies. It's confidence.

It's all confidence. You have to figure out a way to keep your confidence up and not be inside your own head. Not kind of, you know what I'm saying? Like, can't let nothing break you. Yo, Mr. Lee, can you open that? Where Mr. Lee at? Damn. Where is he at?

You looked at Mr. Lee the whole time. He got fired? He lost his job? Yo, Mr. Lee. Can you open that? Mr. Garcia. So, all job. Yeah, mr. Lee Mr.. Garcia, so I so now so I understand this correct that you your first look in the game is 1998 Tommy boy Yeah, but you actually didn't drop out No, I mean wait, so he was you a signed to Tommy Boy? Yeah. That was the best year

of my life. Wait, what year is this Tommy Boy deal? This is an R.E. album. If it's 1998... And you were going by Royce to find out at this time?

Yeah, yeah. Bro, it's... Yeah. Man, as a DJ, I don't really remember this. No, I remember the announcement. Was that 98?

That was 98? I think it was 98. I thought it was more like 99, 2000. 99, not 99. 99. I don't think it was 98, bro. It could have been 98-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Late 90s. Late 90s, early 2000s. I went out. I started staying in New York with a friend of mine, and we started trying to shop a deal. At that time, you had to get a record deal. That was like... There was no independent. I went and took

meetings with all the labels, Tommy Boy included. Played on my demo. Basically got turned down by all of them. I went out there and started fucking with Dre. That's when we started writing for the Chronic album. This is another question, but I'm glad we're going to take care

of both of them in one. Okay, let's go. It's all relative, you don't say so. Let's go. This is part of the M messing with Dre. Yes,

because see what happens. Wait, wait, I didn't know that. Yeah, come on, because that's it. Let's get this in chronological order and not be drunk

as a fucking shit. He's sober. Wait, wait, wait, you sober, you're going to have to sober us up. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We've been drinking already,

excuse us. Yeah, yeah, we have, going to have to sober us up. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We've been drinking already. Excuse us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have. Wait, hold on, hold on. But this is blowing my mind. No, I got it already. I don't know. But this is the part that I didn't know.

I thought you were going to Dre through him. I was. Oh, okay, okay. My bad. So I kind of skipped over that. So let me walk you through it. Okay, go ahead. And if I start getting scatterbrained and I got to go back

To scatterbrain as is I'm definitely welcome here. I met mark. I seen Marshall the first time I went to the hip-hop shop but I didn't meet him until 97 mm-hmm So I was doing this acapella on stage And I said this whack-ass rap. I know you I'm gonna keep calling all my old raps whack But they was kind of cool back then so I said this line. I said this whack ass rap. I know I'm going to keep calling all my old raps whack, but they was kind of cool back then. So I said this line. I said this line.

I said, I'm iller than standing in front of a gorilla holding a banana. That was around cannabis time. That's when cannabis kind of like killing the future. Cannabis is killing it, man. Yeah. So my man introduced me and Marshall and shit. So he was like, yo, did you

just say... Keno? Yeah. He was like, did you just say you iller than standing in front of a gorilla holding a banana? I was like, yeah. We both thought that was ill. So it was like, we should work. So we started talking on the phone and shit like that and we eventually got into the studio. So we did a song called Bad Meets Evil. Which became a group.

Yeah, so. Marshall said that to you? Or who said that to you? What, about the line? About the banana. Oh, I said the line on stage, and then he said something to me about saying the line, because he was at the show. You're talking about him?

Yeah, he was at the show. He was selling his local Slim Shady EP. Oh, yeah, but he already put out the Infinite project, right? Yeah, right. Okay. I had all that shit but we never met we never officially met I knew exactly who he was

he didn't know who I was right so we got in the studio we did Bad Meets Evil the song but it was just two local dudes getting together

working on some shit was you trying to body him? because I feel like you'd be trying to body him I would assume as an MC you'd be trying to body the other guy I feel like you'd be trying to body him. I would assume as an MC you'd be trying to body the other guy on the track.

I feel like you'd be acting like you don't have, but you get on the record with a nigga, you'd be trying to dance on him. Let me be honest, as a fan, I'm a fan. Thank you, man.

I feel like you're like the Floyd Mayweather of this shit. Thank you, man. For real. Go ahead. And I'm going to get into boxing, too. I respect your boxing game. I appreciate that.

Yo, I remember being in the studios a long time ago. You're Humble Mayweather. That's your name. Humble Mayweather. Thank you that. Yo, we, we, uh, I remember being in the studios a long time ago. You're Humble Mayweather. That's your name. Humble Mayweather. Thank you, man. All right, there you go. I gave him, that was a dope name.

Humble Mayweather. I remember being, I remember being in the lab and some of my niggas was in the studio. Uh-huh. And the vibe in there was that the white boy is body and meat. See, I was always. This is the beginning. Yeah, this is when we did Bad Me See with the first circle yeah cuz I they was always used to me rapping better than everybody in the student so this nigga comes in with the

song concept already he telling me what I should say on the hook he telling me he teaching me about the way work words roll off the tongue and shit like because I remember like he wrote the hook and it was like well we hit the trees till we look like vietnamese people so i kept saying we hit the trees we hit the trees till we look like and he was like yo you got to combine we and hit we hit the trees he was like it rolled off the tongue better like he was teaching me shit like you could come and i wasn't even thinking about yeah so and then when he laid his verse they was kind of like damn it sounded like he rapping better than you.

You know what I'm saying? I remember that being the vibe in the studio. So shortly after that, he got his deal with Dre. So the way we started bonding was we was always talking on the phone, and every time I record something, I send it out there to him. You know what I'm saying? So he could listen to it. So when he played Dre everything he had on his demo,

out of all of the features he had on it, Dre was like, yo, that one song right there is the one you should put on the album. Which was featuring me. Right. This nigga was playing Dre, my demo, and I didn't even know it.

So I'm at my mom's crib. I'm staying at my mom's crib at the time. And I'm in the room. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm in my room and shit. And my dad just come in the room like, hey, is a Dr. Dre on the phone for you?

Nah, nah, hold on. Tell him. He's got an appointment. like hey it's a dr dre on the phone for you nah nah hold on he got an appointment it's not nice your dad your dad knows that this could be dr dre dr dre or is he one of those guys that don't know at all no my dad young young okay okay because the way he said it i knew it was dre the way he said it because you know you know, he know Dre, he know his voice. He probably was like, yo, this nigga sounds like the Dr. Dre that I see on TV. But that's how Dre is. He just called, yo, how you doing? Is Royce there? Yeah, this is Dr. Dre. You know what I'm saying? So he's like, it's Dr.

Dre on the phone. So I'm like, what? So I get the phone, hello? And he's like, yo, what's up? It's Dre. Never met him. Never met a celebrity in my life. This nigga just called my mom's house. Never met him. Never met a celebrity in my life. How long did it take you to know that? This nigga just called my mom's house. That this was really Dre? Immediately.

Let's make it a noise. Immediately. So dad. So I'm like, yo, man, how you doing? It's an honor to talk to you. And he was like, yo, man, I really like your shit. He was like, M been playing me some shit, and M didn't tell me he was playing it.

So that's why I didn't know he was the last thing I was expecting. So he was like, I want you to come out to Cali if you can. And I'd never been to Cali before either. And help me out with some shit that we doing. So I flew out there, and I started writing. And then I also had to re-record my vocals on M's song for his album. Because it wasn't up to par for Dre's stuff? Yeah, because we just did it.

It was like a demo. We did it at my man's studio, but we were just babies, man. You know what I'm saying? When he got that deal, he turned into a fucking... Especially with Dre's standards of recording. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a beast. So, yo, I mean, that's how I ended up starting to work on The Chronic.

I started bonding with M more, started being M's hype man. Now, when all this shit started transpiring, you know, the business is small, man. Like, word get around real fast. So, all the labels was like, yo, want to do another meeting? Tommy Boy included. So, when I went out there to talk to Tommy Boy. They offered that million. Yeah, I played them.

It was hard to resist it. My nigga, listen, I played them the exact. Come on, played them. It was hard to resist it. My nigga, listen. I played them the exact. Come on, Royce. It was hard to resist that million. Yeah, you see, I ain't resisting. Yeah. But in your heart, let me ask you something.

Because a lot of people don't understand this. That sometimes, like I heard Dre offered you 250. Is this correct? Mm-hmm. And Tommy Boy offered you 1.2, something around that area, in that ballpark. Man, I just remember. It was a million. They kept saying a million dollars.

Okay, and you didn't care, point nothing. A million dollars. Point whatever. You was like, fuck it, right? All I kept hearing was a million dollars, a million dollars. So, when that time now. Yeah, Tommy Boy was offering that? No, no, no.

They got the bank. That's 1998. I'm telling you. That's what I'm telling you. I'm thinking penalty. My bad. Tommy Boy. No, they got the bank. It's 1998. I'm telling you. I'm thinking penalty. My bad. Tommy Boy. No, no, no. Penalty is a penalty.

Penalty crack Tommy Boy. Remember, I'm in platinum. No, no, no. Tommy Boy is the father company of the penalty. Exactly. So I knew they was cracking a joke. I was meeting directly with Tom Silverman. Exactly.

It was like. So is that one of your biggest regrets that you went for the money and you didn't go for the opportunity Nah nah not really a regret man It's not really a regret I mean it's just something It's one of the things you think about as an adult Like wow if I was a little bit more mature

You know how this business is man It's like you don't If I was a little bit more mature I probably would have done certain things different Because I notice that too A lot of times a lot of times. Like, a lot of times when I go for the money play, it's really not the play. Every single time.

It's when I go for the passion play. Yeah. It always works out for me better. But when you're young, you don't even have a full understanding of what your passion is yet. You know, like, I didn't have the foresight to be able to see that Dre was starting a real movement. He was starting something that you want to be a part of. Fuck the music.

You know what I'm saying? Like, his album and Marshall's album and then that Chronic tour was a movement. It was the biggest thing moving in hip hop. The thing about it was, the thing about it was, I'm sorry to say this, I don't want you to feel bad about your mistake from back actually fit yeah in the aftermath you actually belong there that's that's that's the only part that that bothers me when i look at that history is that i look and i'm like i know because to you i'm thinking like you i'm from a kid from the hood. That's 750,000 more than what I'm getting. But the thing is,

you would have probably made triple that. I absolutely would have. Wait, you don't think it would have been a 50-50? Look what happened with Rakim being on there, Busta E.

That's a good point. Like, I mean... And I'm sure he probably took that into account. I don't know if that worked out in the long run. Because that's the one thing about Aftermath,

is you can be the star there, or you can be the fucking guy that's on, playing third base coach. I know for a fact, by my experiences working with Dre, I definitely would have made better music. Right. Like the music that I came up with on Tommy Boy,

it was good, but Dre is a producer. Right. I would have made the album that defined came up with on Tommy Boy, it was good. Right. But Dre is a producer. Right. Like I would have made the album that defined me at an early age. That's one benefit that I think I missed out on. But looking at it in retrospect too though, man, it's like if he just would have told me, like yo, I don't think you should do that. I wouldn't have done it.

Dre would have told you? Dre or Em, yeah. Either one I wouldn't do it either one of them either one of them nobody around me made me feel like I was making a bad decision you know what I'm saying it was just like alright we'll do your album over there I wish I was your friend back then

I wish you had my phone number I would have been like yo listen and I got that I started to realize that going for the money, sometimes you're happy for three weeks. Yeah. No, you learn that later. Like you said, it's a maturity thing. Less than that, you said?

Less than that. My nigga, I'm from Detroit, man. Like, I had a terrible time. You know, it's like when word get out that you got a million dollars in Detroit. Oh, my God. In Detroit. Oh, my God. You might as well have that shit in your pocket.

Wow. In cash and rubber bands. Everywhere you go. No matter where you go. Wow. You know what I mean? And it's like, it's a very competitive city. And at that time, getting a record deal was unheard of.

Unheard of. When I told my mom and my dad. Especially with people from Detroit. Yeah. Who was the first artist from Detroit that got put on? The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

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Boss, right, Keno? Oh yeah, Boss, Def Jam. Awesome Dre. Boss was dope too. At that time, it was like Eshaan was like a big independent seller, you know what I mean? But he didn't have a major record deal.

He was like, he's a legend, you know what I'm saying? But when Marshall got his deal, it was like the first in years. Yeah. That was great. So it was like. Since like, what was it? Not Motown from Detroit, right? Motown, yeah.

Motown, right? Okay. It's a competitive city, man. It's a competitive city. So I ran into a lot of problems. So I watched a couple of your interviews to do my research. And the thing that nobody really pointed out is your glasses game is heavy. Thank you, man. You have on custom Cartier frames with Heaven, which is the name of your studio, correct?

Am I correct? You are correct. I have never seen Cartier frames. I watched Rap Radar interview, and I said, look at these guys. They didn't even point that out. They didn't even take no mention to this guy's glasses. These are called Diamond Cut. That's why they look like that.

And are those prescription, or are those just fly? These are just fly. of those just fly these are just fly I could have got my prescription in them I just didn't want to wait for okay when I seen them I had to wear them immediately because I knew that this style had just came out and I wanted to be the first one I still ain't see nobody with him I sent you over on that radio. He notices all this shit. And listen, he said I was the first one with him. So let's make sure that that's documented.

Let's make sure that's documented. I'm sure somebody going to try and take the credit. You damn sure the first nigga I seen with him. I was looking like, damn, those is different. Okay, so now you and him, something happens where there's a fallout. Now, for this brief moment was heartbreaking for me because, again, I've met you, I've met him, but I don't really know you guys. But I understand the relationship from you guys in the public's eyes. You guys have this falling out how why was this falling out even happened um

okay the biggest the biggest part of it was communication i would say lack thereof okay you know like we didn't get the opportunity to say to each other how we felt about the situation. It was so many people. Neither did the boss. So many people kind of like instigating it and saying what they could say to kind of like fuel it. I think it got a little bit easier for him to just not deal with it at all than to try to deal with it and please all of these people. And on my end, it was like I wasn't doing my part to keep it peaceful.

I was kind of fueling it too because at that time, I felt like I was kind of like defending myself. I was standing up for myself. You know what I'm saying? So for our fans, because our fans is a little bit slow, and I'm sorry, they hate when I say that. You're fine. They hate when I say that because, no, what I'm saying is...

They're drinking, man. Give them to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what we're saying is that when the problems occurred, there was other people who came in, who fueled your mind, fueled his mind. Is that what... Yeah, what was the situation? The situation was between it was between me

and his crew, D12. Oh, right. It was proof, actually. Nah, see, that's the thing, too. That's the miscommunication. Yeah, it kind of during the tail end of it, it kind of turned into me

versus proof. It kind of got perceived that way just because of how vocal he is, how popular he is, and how popular i was at the time within that situation it really stems back from an issue between me and bizarre that's what that's what it comes down to the big one that's my guy bizarre bizarre me and bizarre both went to the same high school he was real cool well he wasn't real cool but he was he knew my big brother

my big brother's age they They didn't like each other. You know what I mean? So you remember I told you nobody knew I rapped. Right. So this nigga Bazaar was like the man in high school in rapping. So as soon as he left, he found out that I was rapping now. Oh, shit. He don't like that.

He didn't like that. Right. So he came back. He's like the nigga from Belly Eatin' Banana. I don't like that. Go ahead. So he came back. Big up his dog. Yeah, he wasn't on no hating shit or nothing.

He just a competitive dude. I know, I'm playing around. Yeah, so he came back, and I was at the park, and he approached me and shit to battle. Right. You know what I'm saying? So we battled. Like, that was my first time actually, like, knowing the niggas. We battled, right?

We did that. So years later, I would see him at the hip hop shop, I would see him out, so we was cool. When I started hanging with Em, everything changed with me and everybody. You know what I mean? So it was just like, once everybody started getting deals, everybody was so competitive instead of supportive.

That's why I always try to teach, not teach, but I always try to like advocate unity within our community in Detroit with the younger artists. Because when we started getting deals, we were the first batch of niggas getting deals in Detroit in years. So instead of us unifying with each other,

we all just competed with each other. It's like every other city. It happens in Miami, it happens in New York, it happens in Queens. It just so happened with this certain situation, we were competing with each other too close under the same umbrella. Right.

And it put him in a position where he pretty much had to choose. You know what I'm saying? So it could have been rectified, but nobody was taking those steps. Everybody was just standing their ground. You know what I mean? So once you do that,

and you don't fuck with the communication, everybody around is trying to fuel it. They just make it worse and worse, worse and worse and worse and worse. So every time we seen each other, it got more and more weird. You know what I'm saying? Niggas was saying this about each other. Niggas was saying that about each other. And I can't blame nobody because I know I did my part.

And then next thing you know, a diss record got made. Then I made a diss record. Who was the first? They dissed you first? It first? They dissed you first? It was D12 dissed you first? They put out the first record. Oh, wow. But not Em.

You and Em didn't have the concert. No, me and Em never had. It was everybody else. Me and Em never had a problem. Me and Mr. Porter never had a problem. Me and Proof never had a problem. It was something between me and Bizarre. Right.

And then it just grew. It just grew into something that it shouldn't have been. You know what I mean? How did y'all fix it? I think it was time. You know what I mean? Like a lot of time went by. Nobody speaking to each other.

Then we finally... Was it proof passing? That was one of the things. Okay. That was one of the things. I mean, seeing him in that coffin, man, it was just like...

God bless. Yeah, yeah, God bless. Seeing him in that coffin man it was just like god bless yeah yeah god bless it seeing him in that coffin was just like it was just too surreal you know I mean like at one point I thought I didn't like him at one point but seeing him in that coffin it broke my heart so much and seeing them all in the front row right and seeing what the family went through and all of these different feelings and emotions it just it make you feel like life is short like what the family went through and all of these different feelings and emotions, it just, it make you feel like life is short. Like, what the fuck are we beefing for? You know what I mean?

So, I mean, that was one of the things. I think that was one of the things that helped Marshall kind of, because me and Proof, me and Proof pieced it up way before he passed. It was like real cool. We went back on tour together and shit like that. Proof was like one of the happiest guys

I know that he was always was a friend cool every time I forget with a strip club I shot I filmed I stuck keep I hate saying shot Um, I filmed in Detroit on it was by the eight mile and I did the movie on what? What was the movie Ray J in a not great and the horror movie No, no, not the horror movie. It was Jory Ride. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, I'm in Jory Ride. I didn't know that. In Detroit, I was out there.

I filmed the joint. And before I get into the Joe Buttons, Joe Button and all that stuff, Checking In. Checking In was basically almost invented by Detroit niggas, right? How I visualize Checking in was basically almost invented by Detroit niggas, right? How I visualized checking in was these was my homies anyway. So, Trick Chick and them niggas was my niggas.

The Cheddar Boys was my niggas. I never felt bad landing in Detroit and saying, yo, nigga, I'm here. Because that's what they required. They asked me. They didn't demand it. They didn't say, nigga,, yo, nigga, I'm here. Because that's what they required. They asked me. They didn't demand it. They didn't say, nigga, check in, nigga, motherfucker. They just said, yo, nigga, when you get in my city, I want to know because I know that there's other grimy niggas

running around this city that might get you because they know you fuck with me. Right. So I've always came to Detroit, and most of the time, these niggas be busy anyway. So these niggas, but Detroit is kind of like the people who patterned that, checking in. What do you feel about that right now? Because this is a big controversy about checking in.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't understand why it's such a controversy. I think it's just a lot of people, their measuring stick on what respect is is just completely different. It's just completely different. You know what I mean? I learned respect in the household. My dad ran the household with an iron fist.

You know what I mean? I got punched in the face at home before I ever could get punched in the face in the street. You know what I mean? So I got punched in the face at home before I ever could get punched in the face in the street. You know what I mean? I think that should happen to every kid.

I think it should happen to every rapper. Every kid should get punched in your face is a fact. We spreading it on drink stands. We get chocolate

in the face. Every kid should get punched in the face. Everyone, including your own, should get punched in the face once. Kabam!

Let's go. When you go to somebody's city, you're going to their house. Except if it's a girl. Girls should not be getting punched in the face once. Bam! Let's go. When you go to somebody's city, you go into their house. Except if it's a girl. Or girls should not be getting punched. Yeah, it's like, you know, if somebody comes to your house, man, you know, like, if I go to somebody's house, I'm thinking, damn, man. The first thing I do is I look at the carpet.

Like, should I be taking my shoes off? Right. This guy got white carpet. Let me take my shoes off. Like, I can go to your house for 5,000 years, and I still will ask you, can I go to the refrigerator? Yes. Like, I still will be like,

yo, I will never go in someone's refrigerator. Like, I swear to God, I can go to your house. I swear to God, I still ask you, can I use the bathroom? Like, that's just who I am. Not everybody has that common sense.

Not everybody was raised right. Some customs, I don't know. Shout out to my Nicaraguan homies. None of my Nicaraguan homies none of my nigga Argo homies I go to Mr. Lee crib I've been cleaning up before I even mess up I be like yo bro

when I go to somebody and you know what else is like that Styles P Styles P came to my crib this nigga cleaned up a mess that he didn't even make

like I'm just out there and that's how I do Styles P he's a killer off top the nigga came I was like yo hold on, Nori. And this nigga, like, this is just, like, some bottles I had from drinking.

And, like, I was going to clean it up. But that's the first thing he did. He walked in my house and said, oh, excuse me. Excuse me, Nori. He didn't say, you know, somebody's violating. He just picked this shit up. I said, this nigga is a killer. Because any nigga that's nice like that, oh, his other side is crazy.

So I knew that off the top. Me being a street nigga, I'm like, yo, you know what I mean? I'm sorry. I went a little crazy. Yeah, no, no. I feel you.

Styles is my nigga. Yeah, Styles is a great nigga. It's a, I mean, yeah, I think it's just a respect thing. Check it in. We still want to check it in. I totally understand it

just because I'm from Detroit. Maybe if I came from somewhere else, the lines would be a little skewed. Maybe I would look at it like, damn, what they trying to say? You know what I mean? So I understand why some people don't understand. Right. But, I mean, everything ain't for you to understand. No, but the thing about it is, Royce, right?

You being from, not even from Detroit, you being from hip hop. And you knowing I got an album called The War Report. And I have a partner who's from Queensbridge and is from Left Rack. And you go to Queensbridge and Left Rack because your record label tells you, you got to go out there and go promote in this restaurant and then go promote in this guy's and I got a retail store but one of the first things you should do is call the two motherfuckers yeah you know from that spot so I'm gonna say your voice man it's like reflex And you can make your decision right from there and then. But now you don't make that call and shit happens.

This is the reason why I'm just debating the concept. But do you think that's the same context that they're using it now just to be devil's advocate? Yo, yo, EFN, if that's the case, I checked in with you for the whole time. I got my drugs from you for 12 years straight. That's making noise. I checked in with you for the for the whole time. I got my drugs from you for 12 years He'll send any gigs he won't That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm saying. No, but let me.

People would say that was checking in. I know. No. People would say that when I landed in Miami and I said. Why are you throwing a white flag? When I landed in Miami and I wanted to get high, I hit you. You ran your section in Miami. I know what you're saying.

That was called checking in. What I'm trying to do. Devil's advocate. That's to do, devil's advocate, but devil's advocate, the context is different because you're saying you checked in with people you knew. These people now are arguing over checking in with people they don't know. Well, guess what? If you go to a person's city, that's exactly what's going to happen.

This is their city. You don't know these people in their city. You have to meet them. You have to meet them. Especially if you're going to continue to go to that city. It's nothing wrong with saying, yo, Trick Trick, what's up? Cheddar Boys, what's up? I know I'm old school. I know all these, you know what I'm saying?

I'm very old school. I'm sorry. You know what I mean? But it is not wrong. Yo, what's up? I'm here. I'm going to eat over here. I'm going to be over there.

Like, all right, cool. Because now if something happened in the city and then you're going to rush to them after, then it's like, nigga, you should have said that. Oh, they're going to call after. You're going to call after. So you might as well say it from the beginning. And I don't see nothing wrong with that. But I could also see where a young person is also saying, well, I ain't got to, you know, whatever, whatever. Like, I can see what they're saying.

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It could be whatever. It could be whatever, you know. Whatever the people from that city want it to be, that's what it could be. That's what people don't realize. It's like... Right. So now, Joe Bud,

you guys were actually beefing right before y'all started Slaughterhouse. You guys were actually beefing right before y'all started Slaughterhouse. You guys were actually coming at each other. Not technically. I mean, he didn't come at me. He didn't come back at me. All right. I was firing off on him on my mixtape because he just dissed me for no reason.

That's how he is. Let's big him up. He's a Virgo. Wait, aren't you a Virgo? Yeah, I'm a Virgo. That's how we are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just in aren't you a Virgo? Yeah, I'm a Virgo. That's how we are. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Just in case Joe thought I was coming at him, I'm a Virgo, too. He just dissed me for no reason, bro. I was like, I got a call out of nowhere. Like, yo, you know this Joe Budden, nigga? I was like, Joe Budden? Oh, you didn't know him? I had never met him. Because I felt like all of y'all knew each other in the mind.

Man, bro, I didn't know Joe. I didn't know him. I wasn't following him like i wasn't i'm not gonna say i wasn't a fan because i did um my wife liked his his first album she used she used to play it so i used to hear some of the songs yeah to pump it up when i used to hear some of the songs and be like i didn't know this thing could rap like this right so i was aware that he was a high level mc i I was aware, but I wasn't following his independent habits. When initially started y'all to even start sparring?

Bro. What did he say? I went and did this thing. I got myself in this situation, bro, where I was in a battle with Mr. Fab. Y'all talked about it on here before. Yes, Mr. Fab. I was in a battle with Mr. Fab. He smoked me, smoked me, smoked me.

So Joe was supposed to be there. I didn't know I was going to be in a battle. I wasn't prepared to battle because I can't freestyle. So I had nothing written for it. So I was just doing like regular raps and shit. And, you know, SOBs. Yeah, this is a shout out to Chuck from all hip hop because he told me I wasn't coming to a battle. He told me something totally different.

And I got there. I was just and you got caught off guard. Yeah. So Joe never showed up. He was supposed to. Mr. Vab said he put. He said it on our show Vab said he put... Oh, he said it on our show.

He said he put Slow the House Together. He's one of the... Components of it? Yeah, he's kind of like the catalyst. Continue. Let me be quiet. Can you pass that for me, please? I am in shock. Continue, continue, Royce.

So, yo, so the whole time, you know, like, if Joe would have showed up, he would have won. Because the whole place was just like, Joe, we... Oh, yeah, Jersey. Jersey, that. Yeah, he kept saying he was on his way. This nigga kept telling Chuck he was on his way, knowing he wasn't coming. So the whole place is, like, built up in anticipation. And we talking about Chuck from all hip-hop.

From all hip-hop. My nigga. He's my nigga. Yes. Even though he lied to me. He did lie to you, though. He did. He did lie to you. Wait, so he blatantly knew that it was a battle, and he didn't tell you? Because he knew I wouldn't hip-hop. I'm all hip-hop. My nigga. He's my nigga. Yes. Even though he lied to me. Okay. He did lie to you, though. He did. He did lie to you.

Wait, so he blatantly knew that it was a battle and he didn't tell you? Because he knew I wouldn't be in it. Okay. Like, Fonte was in it, and then Fonte pulled out at the last minute. So I knew something was fishy because everybody kept pulling out. A little brother Fonte, just for real. Yeah. I didn't even know Mr. Fab at that point.

All right. So it was like, they told me. He was definitely unknown. He was unknown. So I'm like, I'm not knowing. This nigga's a freestyle wizard. You know what I'm saying? Oh, he told me. He was definitely unknown. He was unknown. So I'm like, I'm not knowing this nigga's a freestyle wizard. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, he's L. I knew that though. That's why I came. Yeah, so it's like, so I'm like, I'm like, they like, you're just going to rhyme versus.

You're going to rhyme versus and the crowd is going to judge him. I get there, Craig G is the fucking host. That should have been a flag. That's the original. The off the top specialist. The original.

The off the top. You think of the Craig G's, Queensbridge by the way. He MC'd all the battles by the original. The off the top specialist. The original. The off the top. Speaking of the Craig G's, Queensbridge, by the way. He MC'd all the battles. He was like, you ready? You got your raps ready for the battle? I'm like, yo, I'm not here to battle.

He was looking at me like, like he knew, he knew. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, and then Joe kept saying he was on the way. He never showed up. You know what I'm saying? Like they was like,

Joe's brother had just got shot or some shit like that So It ended up just being Me and Mr. Fab No other contestants Was in it And his rhymes

Were directly at you No No he freestyles Like he said No If he would've directed His raps at me Which he could've did

Because he's a freestyler He would've killed me Even worse Oh so he held back Is what you're saying I told him Don't direct no raps at me I which he could have did because he's a freestyler. He would have killed me even worse. Oh, so he held back as was you saying? I told him, don't direct no raps at me. I told him before that. I was like, bro, I ain't coming to battle.

You know what I'm saying? Don't face me. Don't say nothing about me. And he was just like, alright, cool. I respect that. We shook hands. He was cool. So he rapped his raps, but he was kicking battle raps, but he wasn't saying my name. Right, right. So I just remember him saying something like, I'll get you shot like Joey brother did or something. You know what I'm saying? rapped his raps but he was he was kicking battle raps but he wasn't saying my name right so i just remember him saying something like i get you shot like joey brother did or something you know

what i'm saying like it was like he was freestyling so he was already talking about joe brother the nigga's just good man you know what i'm saying so all while he rapping i'm sitting there thinking to myself this is bad like this is bad this is bad so i so i'll go i get the mic and i'm rapping verses off of my album that i worked I was working on at that time. And the crowd was just like, all right, we came to see a battle. You know what I'm saying? It's hot, but nigga, you ain't dissing him. I'm literally the only person in the room who realized, okay, I'm not going to win this.

Because I was told you would win, like, a prize. How was the win determined, though? The crowd judged. The crowd. And it was a pro-New York crowd. This is the reason why I actually to all the respect do was, that's the reason why I took a liking to Mr. Fab was because he had

an LA accent. A California accent, excuse me. And he had all this and he kind of challenged everybody in the crowd and I was just like, alright, cool. That was dope to me because he was the exact opposite of what we're used to seeing.

Like I'm a fan of battle rap, I don't want to battle nobody though. I'm a fan of battle rap. He was like, he had on a shirt, I think he had on a shirt with like airbrush on it and shit. Yeah, yeah, airbrush, yup. He just didn't look, he didn't look like nobody that I felt like could compete with me in rapping. You know what I mean? So I was just looking at him like, all right, I should be all right.

It's just me and this guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I never heard of him. You know what I'm saying? Like, the niggas started rapping and I was just like. So then how did, how did you and Joe, is that how you and Joe became cool? Yeah, because, okay, so look. So after he won that battle, you know, it was footage of it, so it went on YouTube.

Joe, knowing he didn't show up, goes and looks at the footage. So I guess, maybe he was a fan of me before, and he felt like, oh, Royce fell off, because look how he look in this battle. So, you know, Joe can't just keep his feelings to himself. He got to go public and say this shit.

That's very true. And this ain't even a podcast, Joe. This is just Troublemaker Joey. So he went and interviewed with DJ Envy. He said some shit about the battle and talked about how I look like shit in the battle. And Envy was agreeing with him. Like, yeah, you did look pretty bad.

So there's this whole conversation about how bad I looked in the battle. And I don't have no mic to be able to clarify what really happened. It was just an L I just had to take. So, and then Joe makes a song. And then in the song, he's like, something, something, something, something about Mr. Fab. Because him and Mr. Fab was having words, too. And he was like, and Royce fell the fuck off, so I ain't going to mention him.

And dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. My phone blew up like crazy to tell me about the song. So I'm like, this nigga, this nigga is actually saying my name. I don't know him. And he's the nigga that didn't show up for the battle that you took the L for. That's what you're saying. Yeah, so I'm just taking L's all across the board at this point. So I'm like, okay, nigga.

So I did like what the MCs do. You know what I'm saying? I picked up a pen and I told myself I'm not gonna let up on Joe Budden until he responds he's not gonna say my name he did like five records right I can't remember how many I didn't write no records about him I just because at that point it was like in my mind it was like I got I want to bait him I want to bait him so like whatever I'm gonna battle somebody I never just I'd never just shoot the full clip immediately out the gate I'll say a line or two Respond if you respond to it, then I'm gonna go you know I'm saying so

That's the young me so I it going. So I mentioned his name a few times on my mixtape bar exam. And he did some interviews. He said some more stuff. Whatever the case, it didn't seem like that he really wanted to battle.

I ended up finding out later that he was just like, he was going to respond. He wrote some shit. He just never put it out. So the shit that I was dissing him on, he heard that and he was a fan of that so I guess he heard it

and was like oh so this nigga didn't fall off and his boys was telling him man I don't think you should diss him and Keno was telling me stop dissing him I don't think you should diss him y'all should work together

so this nigga calls me out of nowhere I'm at the hospital my first daughter is being born God bless so he we get on the phone Joe calls you yeah me and Joe

cause Keno told me he was like he reached out to me through Chuck Chuck set me up. The guy who set you up. The guy who set you up. Chuck set me up. Fab killed me.

Right. And then Joe didn't show up. He sold me out. So we get on the phone and he like, yo, man, what's up, man? I got this song I want you to get on. I started to be like, yo, what's up with that shit you been talking? You know what I'm saying? But I just was like, I'm in the hospital.

About to have my first girl. You and the Joyful one. It ain't the time. Keno was like, you shouldn't be dissing him. Because I wrote some more shit I was about to put out. And he was like, no, don't put that out. You shouldn't put that out. So I didn't want to feel like I was a troublemaker because I think I was fighting a lot at that time.

So I was just like, all right, man. I just pretended like nothing ever happened happened because that's how Joe is right if you don't like bring it bring it up to him he won't talk about it because it's nothing to him like it's not I took it personal he didn't I took the shit real personal I was mad you know what I'm saying me and my little brother used to talk about like if I see this nigga you know what I'm saying like he's totally oblivious to him it's just rap you know I'm saying so I learned that about him once I got to know him so I was like well who's gonna be on the song he was like I'm putting you Crooked Eye Joel Ortiz and I was like man that shit sound like a slaughterhouse and he was like oh shit I think I'm gonna call the song that so I went I left the

hospital I left the hospital that night went laid and laid the verse real quick, came right back to the hospital and sent it to him. He put it out the next day, and that's how Slaughterhouse was formed. That's a great story. I'm not going to lie to you. I thought we was going to have to be seven questions later, how you put the group together. That's an amazing story. That was the simplest. That's an amazing story. Best shit I've ever heard.

Licka said, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. Fuck it, fuck it. And it works. But you know what I learned from that, man? It's like you got to stop taking everything personal. You have to keep an open mind about relationships sometimes. Don't run around on everybody's dick, but don't close yourself off from people.

I did that for many years. Once I started collaborating with people and being open to just getting to know other sides of people instead of judging them before you really get to know them, I got to meet some good people. I learned a lot from collaborating, and I achieved a lot of success with shit just standing next to people and playing my position and also being willing to learn from people.

You know what I'm saying? You think you would have made that same decision without the people around you that was telling you, you know, just don't pay attention. It played a part, but I think I was at the right age. I had been through enough. You know, I certainly didn't want to have problems with nobody at that point. You know what I mean? But, you know, I still, I'm competitive. I'm an emcee.

I'm certainly not the type of emcee you could just say my name. You know what I mean? Like, you say my name, we're going to battle all year. Right. How honored are you to be on the list of people that they say that Eminem didn't body on the record. The list that he bodied people on the record is phenomenal. I'm honored just to work with him, man. I'm honored to work with him.

Every time we do something, every time we do something, I still feel. It's the same with Preem. I never really like. Goddamn, make some noise for Preem. Come on, man. The whole album is in there twice over? We're getting into that. Let's not waste it, but go ahead. I just, you know, when we

started working with each other, it was just respect for each other as MCs. I had no idea he was going to become what he became. Who, Premier or Marshall? Marshall. You know, so once we started working, then he became like this phenomenon. And yeah, he was Marshall? Marshall. Okay, okay. You know, so once we started working, he became like this phenomenon.

Right. And yeah, he was bodying everybody. You know, like when he was doing a lot of features with people, that was like his thing. But I don't know, man. I kind of, we used to do songs. I just didn't used to feel like, I always felt like he killed me on every song.

Oh, yeah? I did. I didn't realize people was going to be like, yo, you the only person who body martial on songs. Or you stood the test of time. I couldn't. I can't think of one time

I bodyed him. Not one time. All right. Well, now let me ask you the lifelong hip-hop question of all time.

And I want you to take yourself out of your friendship mode. And I'm just, I'm asking the hip-hop fan, who had the better verse on Renegade? That's been an ongoing conversation here. Come on, Royce. You know what? If you was drinking right now, this would be the time I gave you a shot.

But I'm not going to take a shot. I'm drinking this delicious Monster Energy drink. Monster Energy drink, Janus. Make some noise for them. And hopefully they cut you a check. Shout out to my brother, Kenneth, over there. Yeah, pick them up. But come on, boys.

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go to listen in campaign.org to give the gift of hearing today yes please answer the way i answer i'll put it to you like this my nigga first. First of all, the real answer is there is no answer to that question. It's like asking somebody who's better between big and pop. It's based off your preference. They provided you two different things that you can't really compare. Now, if you want to go deeper, I'm a Hov stan. That Renegade Hov verse was light work for Hov. Light work.

Light work. Light work. That nigga changed it. He kind of answered it right now. He kind of answered it. But listen, that Em verse, light work. Me and Em did that song and just threw it away. We did a song that was like we could do better.

You was the actual- That was my record. Damn. He produced it, right? Em produced it, right? Yeah, he produced it right in front of me. Wait, wait, wait. So your verses was whole, with whole verses, dude? All he did was take my verses out and he sent it to Hov with holes in it and Hov just wrapped

it and filled it in. Wow. Damn, Roy. Damn, Roy. You fucking up our whole podcast. If I like work, that's a heavy ass song. You came here for a reason. Don't hit them, take them. Okay, you got something to do?

You, you get it, you want it. Okay, so now describe how this happens. You guys do the record. Jay-Z flies to Detroit, I imagine. No? No. California?

They sent the records? Sent it. Sent it. And Em sends Jay the records? Just what, it was the same exact record, same hook? Yeah, he had been asking,

he had been asking Em, and they've been, both their schedules was crazy, so they kept missing each other. So, he asked Em, Em called me and was like, yo, kept missing each other. So he asked him, him calling me was like, yo, I'm thinking about giving Jay-Z this Renegade record. What you think? Would you be cool with that?

And I just felt like it was cool that he even asked me because technically it wasn't my record no more. We did two records, and I was supposed to just pick one of them for me to use, the other one. But, you know what I mean? Like, Renegade was just something we felt like we could do better. I felt like we could do better. You know, so we took my verses off, took my part. He's saying it's a throwaway.

Listen. Yo, you fucking up a lot. Yo, you talking crazy. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Go ahead, go ahead, talk. Talk that shit, Bryce. I'm not saying we was right. No, no, no, talk that shit, Bryce.

I'm not saying we was right. I, no, talk that shit, Bryce. I'm not saying we was right. I'm just saying, maybe I had like a... This nigga just said, I ain't even really like it. Like, that's what you basically said. No, listen, listen. Maybe we just had like a...

Maybe I had like a picture in my head of... Or maybe I had something in my mind that I felt like we needed to be doing at that time. Right, that makes sense. And that wasn't it. And maybe I was just trying to shape shit according to my album. Right.

But I wasn't, I mean, I felt like it was good. It became great when they did it. When we were doing it, I felt like it was good. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't think it was that. You know what I mean?

So, my part of the hook got taken out. My verses got taken out. And he sent it to Jay like that. So, when they say, it's a renegade. And when Jay says his part, that's not part that's never been afraid to say what's on my mind I mean I still I still said I said that part but my version of it Just never been afraid to say, just the same words as him. Okay, okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Repeating that, okay.

Tell them how your name was in the record. Him took your name out. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he was like, because Jigga, Jigga, Jigga, like that part. At first it was because Royce, he's the king of Detroit and I'm the sinister, mister kiss my ass is just so he just switched that part. Does that version exist somewhere? It's online.

Oh, it's online? With you? Yeah. Oh, we're pulling wrong with you? Yeah, we're pulling that Now now what what what do you feel about the ghost writing shit because It's very famous stories of you ghostwriting for a lot of people. Really? I think he mentioned a couple of them already. Yeah, I mean, everybody who I wrote with is pretty much public knowledge. I tweeted this the other day, too.

I never secretly wrote for nobody. Contrary to popular belief. I don't know why people think that, but I really haven't. I haven't. So who did you write for publicly? I wrote for Puff. That's right.

He ain't afraid to say that. Nah, nah, nah. Dre? Yeah, I wrote for Dre. He ain't afraid to say that. I wrote the message on the Chronic album. I wrote,

I wrote Tell Me with Christina Aguilera for Puff. Wait, hold on. You write your R&B records too? Nah, nah, they ain't R&B records. He's rapping.

Puff's version, his run. Aw, I thought you meant Christina Aguilera. I said, nigga, what the fuck is going on? She on the place. Wait, hold on. You write your R&B records too? Nah, nah, they ain't R&B records. He's rapping. First version, he's rapping. Oh, I thought you meant Christina Aguilera. I said, nigga, what the,

what's going on? She on the song. No, I thought you wrote for Christina Aguilera. I'm like, nigga, what's going on over here,

man? Nah. Okay, can I continue? I wish. But, yeah, I wrote that.

I wrote, Original Explosion, which is online. Oh, yeah, yeah. I wrote, yeah.

Well, some of the shit that I wrote on Dre album that didn't make the album, some of that is like online. He said the original Explosion, which is online. Oh yeah, yeah. I wrote, yeah. Well, some of the shit that I wrote on Dre album that didn't make the album, some of that is online. He said the original Explosion record. Explosion? There's another. I took a stab at that. There's another original version of that?

I took a stab. Who else? Who else? Who else? I'm trying. Is there anybody else? I don't think I wrote for nobody else. Oh yeah, bro.

For who? Cannabis. Cannabis? For cannabis? No. How you say that? Oh yeah bro. For who? Cannabis. Cannabis? For cannabis? Why you say that? Oh yeah. You. Ha ha.

Who's the ha ha ha? Who'd you? You ain't writing for cannabis nigga, come on. For real? He got serious for advice. Whatever he's about to say. I totally forgot all about that. You wrote for cannabis?

No, no No, man. There's something serious right now. I was in a lab once. Oh, my God. He's going to want to kill me for this. But I was in a lab with cannabis back in the day and shit. Oh, it was cannabis. And he, I don't know, man.

He must have reached a point in his life, man, where he just kind of throwing his hands up with this shit. So he's like, we was working on a song and shit.. And I laid my verse and he was like, yeah, man, that shit sound crazy. And he was like, you can probably just go ahead and write the whole song if you want to. And I was like, what? You know how you hear somebody say some shit but you can't quite believe it. So you make them repeat it just to make sure you ain't tripping. So I was like, what'd you say? So he basically was asking me to write the whole song.

So I was like, listen, bro, you a legend, bro. I started just talking him off the ledge. Right. Talking him off the ledge. And I was in my mind thinking to myself, I can't do this. You know what I'm saying? Like, you cannabis, my nigga. You're cannabis. So it was just like, we did the song and he ended up writing his verse, but

if I would have wrote it, he would have let me. This is cannabis after LL? Of course. And before the battle that he did. No, no, I'm saying after LL, but before the battle that he was reading. This is post alien cannabis. Oh, that's

because the alien is when he had the battle with no rhymes. Cannabis, oh my god. Did you see This is post alien cannabis. Oh, that's because the alien is when he had the battle with no rhymes. Cannabis, oh my God. Did you see that footage? Come on, man, let's not go there, man. That's my man, I love cannabis. I know, I know, but.

I'm just saying, but he did pull out the rhyme. It was before that, it was before that. It was a while back, it was a while back. It has to be before that. So cannabis asked you to write his rhymes. I forgot all about it, this nigga just brought it back to Montana. That's my man, what's his name? I wanted all about it. This nigga just brought it back to my table. That's my man. What's his name?

I wanted to forget it. What's his name? Keno. That's bigger than Keno, goddammit. Well, shout out to Cannabis, too. They're taking another way. Cannabis is one of the eggers. But Royce did get asked to write his rhyme one day.

I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just saying that. That's it. That's one time. That's one time. That shit's kind of crazy, bro. So now, Slaughterhouse.

You and Joe, y'all had this little quarrel. How does Joel, I mean, we don't understand the song, but, and then we understand that the name of the song was actually called Slaughterhouse. Yeah.

How do y'all take it serious from there? How do y'all say, all right, you know what? It went so fast, bro. As soon as the reaction happened to the song, that was back. I was just starting to become a little bit internet savvy. Joe was already internet savvy. From the gate, yeah.

He was from the gate. He had a really, really, really good understanding of how to market things via the internet. Yeah. And just... He was vlogging before. He had a good gauge of when things were special versus when they were just regular versus when it didn't matter at all.

So he hit me back with Keno on the three-way again. So he says, yo... Look at Keno. He say, you see the reaction, right? And I was like, I kind of seen it a little bit. He was like, yeah, man, we got to do more shit. We got to do more stuff. I was like, all right, man, I'm cool.

I'm cool with that. And he was like, I told him, I was like, me and you should do some more shit. Like, we should do an album or something. And Keno was like, all y'all niggas should do an album. Y'all all should do it. So you're saying Keno's discovered

Slaughterhouse? Slaughterhouse? So I was like, now at that time, I'm going to go even deeper. I forgot about this. Yeah, I was a drunk. So at that time,

I heard of Joel Ortiz. And I was aware that he was a monster. Right? Crooked, I was aware that he was a monster. Right? Crooked, I was aware that he was a monster. Crooked, I didn't really like. Because I asked that nigga to do a song and he told me yeah, he never did it. So I took that shit personal.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's how I used to be. That's how I used to be. I used to take everything personal. I'll tell you about that later. I'll tell you about that later. And Crooked, that's coming off of Death Row too. Yeah, nah, he was yeah, yeah.

It was, was he still? Yeah, it was kind of, okay, yeah. So I was like, alright, man, whatever, we can do that. So we start every time I would go to New York So you basically wasn't feeling that idea? No, no, not that I wasn't feeling it. You just wasn't like 100% in?

Nah, I was in to do i was i was in to do whatever i was in to do whatever but my first impulse my first instinct was for me and joe to do more shit okay so when it when it when it came like when the idea came now you should stay working with all of them like a super group yeah just do it do it like that like okay so i was like cool i was cool with that idea too but I just knew I had to kind of like get to know dudes and shit like that so what we did was we ran an idea

by everybody and everybody was with it so we would just all whenever we would plan times to go to New York and then we would meet up at Joe's crib

talk about forming a group on camera and shit like that and let the internet kind of follow shit as it manifested itself organically into whatever

it was going to be. You know, so in the meantime, we'll continue to do music together. So the next song we did was a song called Onslaught. And that's when we realized that, you know, like, because that was at the very beginning when all of us felt like we want to, each of us felt like we want to have the best verse on every song. So that's when we got to dose of motherfucking crooked eye he came in late heard our verses lay his shit and i was just like all right man well i ain't about to have the best verse in the group you know what i said so i mean it just started working like that so before we

even did the album we was already doing the Rock the Bells tour. We was already touring together as a group. I had heard that, I had read, I forget which magazine, that it was like Slaughterhouse was Eminem's version of the firm. Like, I forget what... Yeah, but keep in mind, they were successful independently before, I'm assuming, before Em even thought about signing this.

Same thing with The Firm. Yeah, as soon as... We put the album out on E1, the first album. I thought the first album was on... Shady? Yeah. That's the second album.

That's the second album, so I got it mixed up. They were touring. I remember y'all... Yeah, I saw a lot of stuff on the internet that y'all was really successful Shady was on. Shady? Yeah. That's the second album. That's the second album, so I got it mixed up. They were touring. I remember y'all, yeah, I saw a lot of stuff on the internet that y'all was really successful independently. Yeah, we pretty much, we found a seller. We found our seller independently.

Y'all went on tour with Tech N9ne, right? Yup. We put the shout out to Tech N9ne, that's my guy. We put the album out on E1, and it's the number one independent album in the country. Make some noise for that guy, Darryl. So when we did that, that got the attention of Shady. That got the attention of all the major labels. But you was already on Shady. You was already friends with the people from Shady.

You was friends with them. No, not really and just to backtrack a little bit why hadn't you had a project on shady i mean we talked about it because me and marshall stopped talking so that was the reason why it was gonna happen if that hadn't happened oh well yeah i think so because uh he he established that company a little bit after I signed. You remember, like, I got a deal right after him. It was like. It wasn't bad for the sport.

Yeah, no, I saw it good, man. I'm used to it. All right. So he got his deal. I started working with him, and I immediately signed this deal with Tommy Boy. Right. Got that million. Got that million.

Yeah, yeah. Let's not leave that million out there. Yeah, yeah. That's all right. What do you think it's going to mean to mean is I'm sorry for anything else. When I got the deal with Tommy Boy, I never had a problem getting the deal again after that. I went right to Sony. After Tommy Boy dropped me, I went to Sony and got another million dollars.

You know what I'm saying? So I did that. By that time, Shady was already established, but I never was in a position where it was like yo I need a record deal he executive produced my album on Sony so he was always a part of it but we just never did it on his label so after we stopped talking shit so many years went by

so much happened in his life so much happened in my life so when we formed Slaughterhouse when we signed the deal with Shady with Slaughterhouse that was me and m's first time actually sitting down like in this manner we talked on the phone a couple times but just the way we sitting and talking now and just reflecting as men it was after the slaughterhouse deal yeah but how many other niggas was hating let's just keep it real hating like who like you know because

all them niggas know that you know m for a ride. Like Slaughterhouse Duggar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, it's in a playful way. Was that hating on y'all's relationship is what he said? Like, I mean, it's in a playful way. Because I know a lot of niggas who are like, damn, nigga. Like, you know the CEO. We don't.

Bro, you know what, man? Everybody was just so happy. Just so happy to be. To be a part of that. Yeah, we was kind of like. It was the biggest movement. We was in the situation in our lives where it was like, motherfuckers had rolled us off years ago.

Yeah. So it was like another shot at this shit on a major scale. Wow. You know what I mean? So everybody was just happy. So everything we had went through individually to form this group out of nowhere, we didn't plan it. It just happened.

And now we sitting in a room with this motherfucker who was like a megastar. And you know man like you can't really gauge how anybody feels their first time sitting around him because whenever i'm around him and i see people meet him for the first time they're never themselves right people act weird as fuck around him man so it's like it's always just yeah man it's like it's crazy to see it's like the Beatles, you know what I mean? That type of vibe. Yeah, so it was just, you know, definitely no hate. Everybody was just...

Everybody was happy, man. So now Joe Biden. Yeah. Again, he has a show. His show is lit. He can choose to use his platform in a way where if his opinion matters and his opinion can sway people a certain way, he shouldn't, but he doesn't. Eminem drops this out. Joe goes on.

And Joe says, I don't remember. I don't want to word for word his words, so I don't remember. But basically, in paraphrasing, he's saying this album is not him. It's not good. Everyone is mad. 50 Cent goes on. He threatens him, says he's going to get an ass whooping. You as a slaughterhouse brother, you as a brother to Eminem,

you as a friend to Eminem, and as a friend to Joey, where do you stand in that? How do you feel at that very moment? I mean, I told him how I felt. I'm kind of like, man. Told who? I told Joey how I felt about it. You know, like. Has one second.

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to check out nori's page and all his music on there and also myself dj efn follow us on spotify as well but check out drink champs the podcast on spotify they're streaming it right now so don't wait makahaya bing bong i'm at a point man where I don't really like talking about it. We're going to talk about it, but I'm just going to tell you why before. Every time I say something about it, man, it's like the topic itself grows new legs again. Right. Like Joey got this thing, man, where he can't stop. He can't stop mentioning things for views, even at the expense of like how his friends are feel

and shit like that like he caught up in his world right now so it's like that's not really my character it's not my personality it's like to keep talking about something that's not even really it's not important to him he hasn't talked about it you know i'm saying like joe went on there and he said something about the song it It's a song that Em put out. Right. Joe said a bunch of bad shit about the song. I felt like Joe went a little too hard. Right.

Especially knowing you have a deal with this man. Yeah, I mean, I feel like he entitled to his opinion. You know, he entitled to his opinion. It's very difficult to talk about it and talk about the execution of it without it looking like you're trying to tell him he can't have his opinion. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I'm always real careful with what I say and what I don't say in regards to him. You know what I mean?

Because it's like this thing looming now where it's like every time I say something, everybody is looking at me like I'm just, here go Royce again, caping for the white boy. Like being too loyal. You know what they're trying to say? Yeah. But the thing about it is, when we have a sense of history, we have to sort of respect that history. Meaning, it's like,

and I'm going to say this, and I'm probably sure he's going to be mad for me saying this, but Traj is my man, right? And Traj, you know, he recently called me about something I said, and I immediately said sorry because I didn't mean to say what I said,

regardless of what I said. And so immediately I said sorry, and I think he didn't even was expecting that right he was like oh shit what like he wanted me to be the old nori where I was like and I was and so what I'm trying to say is you on one hand jokes you have he should have his opinion but on the second hand, it's a sign of disloyalty. It's a sign, because at the end of the day, and EFN, I'm just using you as an example

because you just came from the bathroom, right? EFN, you open up a pizza shop, right? Your pizza's horrible. I don't appreciate that. I'm just saying. Please, just use Your pizza's horrible. Right? I don't appreciate that. I'm just saying. Please. Just use the example. Okay. Your pizza's horrible. I'm still gonna go there on Wednesdays. Because you're my brother. Because I'm your brother.

And I'm just open up. If you ever ask me, how do you like the pizza? Then I'm gonna tell you. Not in front of people though. Oh, no, not in front of the public. No, not in front of the camera. No, not if there's a camera around. But guess what? As a brother, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to still

go to your pizza shop on Wednesdays. Yeah. That's just who I am. It was one of those things where it was like, when I first seen it, loyalty wasn't really what popped into my head. was more like a respect respect thing you know i mean which was respecting loyalty's brothers yeah yeah yeah just in case

yeah so um thank you just you know the verbiage has been like the verbiage that's been used it's been sparking all kinds of different different conversations and opening up all kind of different new narratives and shit like that. It's been like, it's like a playground for like semantics and you know what I'm saying? Like twisting words around and shit like that. But the very rawest way to look at it is just you use the wrong words talking about somebody. You don't have to be loyal. Just be respectful.

Not just with Marshall, with anybody. You know what I mean? Like, there's a difference in me saying, I'm not feeling that, than me saying, that shit trash, throw it in rice. You know what I'm saying? It's like, so when I looked at that, it wasn't, yo, Marshall was mad. It was, yo, because I didn't really even talk to him about it like that. Not that big of a deal.

But it's just kind of unfortunate to see somebody that you cool with do that kind of shit at this juncture in our careers you know what i'm saying it's just like damn it's like you just throwing relationships away for no reason you know i'm saying so it's just like this is from where i was sitting how i felt it just so happened that right after it happened i go on this press run and it's it's getting brought up to me and I'm mentioning it. And I guess I'm not being as careful as I could have been with the words I'm choosing. You know what I'm saying? So that's why it keeps turning into the conversation over and over again. But at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal. It's just he gave his opinion. He did it his way.

It got received a certain way. I seen it. I picked picked up on it i told him how i felt about it and that was really it wasn't really and then bizarre jumped in yeah well see that's bizarre you know it's a it's a personal thing all right we don't like niggas don't like niggas talking like that about their friends i'm the same way about all my friends though even with joe you know like that's my that's my nigga so it's like when he did the battle um when he did my battle, the shady battle, the shady battle with Hollow to Die. Shit, I looked the world right in their face. Ebro asked me in front of the whole world, who just won that? I was like, shit, Joe did.

Now, I'm not going to lie. You were out of your mind. You were out of your mind. I saw that interview. I'm going to tell you what. God damn it. God damn it, you were wrong. You was out of your mind I saw that interview Listen my nigga God bless Grace And all of Detroit I'm going to tell you what God damn it It wasn't

God damn it you were wrong It wasn't a soul That could get me to say That my nigga just lost that That's because you were In front of the whole world That's because you were loyal That's it

That's it That's all I'm saying So it's like Pardon me for looking at it like that It's just the type of person that I am It don't mean I'm right It just mean that's how I feel You know what I'm saying

Nothing's going to sway my judgment From that So Alright I feel. You know what I'm saying? Nothing's going to sway my judgment from that. Right. I respect that, man. That's grown man talk. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, as a journalist,

you know, I had this look at and, you know, think of where Joe Button was coming from. But, you know, and I respect the shit out of him. You know what I mean?

But sometimes it's just like, you know, my opinion with my family is just going to be my opinion with my family. And that's just basically it. You know what I mean? I want to respect him. I understand what he does. I actually acknowledge what he does. And I actually think what he do is dope in his world.

Yeah, he does. You know what I'm saying? He's ill in his world. And we are the same. But, you know, when it comes to family, I would rather keep family business within family. Like, there's a whole bunch of shit I could tell you about Capone right now. I don't got to wait until next week. Right now. The first time I seen him.

Well, that's between me and him. That's my brother. I love him, and it's going to rock. And he could tell you a bunch of shit about me, and that's great. The first time I seen Capone, you know I never met him. Oh, get out my brother. I love him, man. It's going to rock. And he can tell you a bunch of shit about me and that's great. The first time I seen Capone, you know I never met him. Oh, get out of here.

I never met Capone. Get out of here. The first time I seen him was here in Miami. Way back in the day when niggas used to rent the scooters when we came here. Mm-hmm.

I seen him, bro. He was wild, wilding out on the police. Yes. Wilding out on the police and he got arrested. God damn it. I remember that.

This is like the middle. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Didn't like the middle. Oh yeah, I remember that. Well, didn't you get arrested too or that was Eddie? No, that was Eddie. Oh, that was Eddie? Yeah. He was wilding out

on the police. I don't ever get arrested. And I'm going to tell you something. The police are scared as shit. They're scared as shit. No, I remember.

I thought he was crazy. They scared as shit. I remember that shit. I remember that shit. Was you down here with me when Capone was down here wilding? He was wilding. He was for real with me. They're going to shoot you out here with me when Capone was down here while he was for real?

They're going to shoot you out here. Everywhere. Let's make some noise for those days we could talk to the police. I don't know if we're going to make noise for that. Let's make some noise for those days we could talk to the police disrespectful and be black, but nowadays police disrespectful is not

happening that sweet. Let's be quiet. That's, it's not happening that sweet. Let's be quiet. No, that's real, man. Because Ferguson, how do you feel about things like that, man? You know, being a black man. Like, you know,

I'll be honest with you. I said this on the podcast a couple times. One time, I just left my house and I had to go to the store. My wife was like, I'll drive you.

I was like, all right, cool. I jumped in the joint with my wife my wife put on her hoodie she had no makeup and she sincerely just drove to the store with a hoodie I can't do that as a black man yeah as a black man if I get in a car, I got the... Yeah. Right, right. Ten and two. Like, I literally looked at my wife. I hated on my wife for that 12 seconds. Yeah. I was like, I kind of hate you.

You know, she's a Latina. She's Cuban, bro. You know, she's Cuban, Puerto Rican. And the cops don't give a fuck about her having a hoodie on. And that shit fucked me up. I mean, it's disheartening, man. It's disheartening. And it's not just now happening, man.

If you think back to when Ice-T made Cop Killer, because these guys from these eras, man, they put their lives on the line. Ice-T took the cops to war for us. So we can have more freedom in our speech. Big up Ice-T. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? Or NWA, fuck the police. It was before that. Yeah, big up.

So cop killer came from cops killing black kids. You know what I mean? So this is something that always was going on. We just got the internet. So we're privy to the information faster. And you can't sneak that shit past us. We see more of it. I mean,

it's happening more but it's always fucking existed, bro. Always. My big brother just got arrested. He had a gun on him and he was at the liquor store.

The first thing I thought of was like, shoo, that could have been way worse news. Yeah, he could have died. Yeah, because it was like, they seen him walking to the door

and they just ran down on him. Grabbed him up, said he looked like he had a pistol on him. Grabbed him up and he had a pistol on him. What if he had tried to run? They'd have shot him. You know what I mean? God bless.

God bless. Now being from Michigan, I would like you to describe the Flint water crisis. Because a lot of people think that this is... It's still unresolved. It's still unresolved, but a lot of people think this is actually like an Instagram thing. A lot of people don't think this is real. A lot of people think that this is like color correction.

This is, what is it called? Photoshop. Photoshop. Can you describe what's going on out there? Up to your knowledge. You want me to describe it? Like you want me to run down what's going on? Or where they are with it?

Is it getting better? No, it's definitely not getting better. It's definitely a corruption situation. It's definitely a corruption situation. It's a political thing. Yeah, of course. Of course, just like with anything else. And I don't really know what the fuck we could do to rectify it. I know a lot of people donated money.

I'm not so sure where the money went. You know what I mean? I don't know where they are with fixing it. I don't know, man. The world is so fucked up and there's so much stuff happening. It's kind of hard to keep up with everything that's fucked up. Detroit is just coming. We're just coming back from bankruptcy, man. It's a city.

There's so much going on there. There's so much going on in our area. Please keep your story. I remember I went to Detroit one night and I went to a casino and it was lit. Then I drove out of the casino and for six blocks, there was no lights.

Six blocks straight. I was like, oh shit. I thought this was the illest lineup ever. I was like, oh, they're going to get us. Somebody's coming from somewhere. And then it lit back up again. And I was like, this is amazing. But no one never put that on the news back then.

No one never, like... Because they didn't want to expose the whole... They call it Motor City for a reason. A whole industry was destroyed in that area and they don't want

to put that on the news. It destroys the whole country. You know, we on a resurgence right now. You know, usually when things get that bad, only good shit can happen

after that. That's right. That's right. We got a lot of artists doing their thing. A lot of artists getting deals. A lot of artists getting recognition. Big up, big Sean. Big up, big Sean.

Big up my bro Sean. It's a lot. The areas are improving. You know what I mean? It's a good place to buy real estate. It's just turning back into that beautiful Motown feel that it used to be that's in our lineage. Okay, so I got a couple more questions.

But before I go, because I got to take a bathroom break. I see you took a bathroom break. Go ahead, bro. You're cheating. But this is one of the funnest questions I've been wanting to ask forever, right? Now, I'm not talking status. I'm not talking money. Who's the most famous rapper In the world

I Say Snoop Dogg In the world In the world Now I'm not talking Look Jay Z Poff

And Em They're all famous But that's all We're talking money No no you just mean I'm talking Your grandmother knows Who Sno the most famous rapper currently period because if you're talking fame you got to that's Snoop is the most you can't

really don't tell them the answer Snoop is one of the most iconic, for sure. I'm not saying business-wise. I'm saying... You're saying recognizable. Yeah, recognizable. It got to be Snoop, man. Come on, Royce. Go with me, Royce.

Come on. It could be Eminem, though. Real talk. Let me think about it, bro. I don't... I'll let you think about it. Too far. No, it's not going to be Pac. Not right now. You mean think about it, bro. I don't, I'll let you think about it. Too far, too far. But, no, it's not going to be Pac.

Not right now. You mean living though, right? You mean living. No, I don't think right now, Pac. Right now, right now. Right now in general, Pac is not. Everybody, think about it. Your grandmother said something about Snoop Doggy, dog.

It's not about grandmother. It's just a lame shit. Not generational. You just mean famous and genuine. Everyone knows who Snoop is. You would be hard pressed if somebody didn't recognize Drake anywhere. No, no. Okay.

All right. I don't agree. I don't agree. No, I don't agree. I'm traveling. Drake is still new. He's still like 10 years in the game. So you had to have 10 years of listening to music.

Snoop is 25. Yeah, of course. Of course. Snoop is up there, but I don't know why I say Eminem Oh Marshall Marshall Marshall came to LA But Kanye is still kind of I think it's Kanye and definitely nothing No one knows who the fuck is in Wyoming Marshall Marshall can't even he can't even wear like a costume and that's recognized I think I think is that all they gotta to see is his chin and his nose.

And I'm telling you from the countries I've been to. No, but I think... Snoop is a good choice though, bro. No, Snoop is up there. It's up there. Listen, listen. Hands down, Eminem is... First off, he's probably one of the most famous people ever, right?

I think he went diamond in Ireland. Ever. Or something crazy like that. But what I'm saying is, even him, he has a particular crowd. Jay-Z has a particular crowd. Snoop doesn't. He's like un-gentrified.

I don't know if that's a word. I'm pretty sure. We know what you mean, though. Yeah, but I still think it's... I think Emin and Snoop actually are... I think Snoop is more famous than Drake. Is this just limited to artists? Because we had this conversation. Hip hop artists.

Hip hop. We had this conversation. We had this conversation about celebrities, period. I want to see what you want. Famous people. Well, we can do that. That's, I mean, a little different though. Y'all ready for this?

Yes. Go ahead, go ahead. Barack Obama. Yes. Is the most recognizable person. Yes. Okay, I agree person in this motherfucker in years.

There is nobody that's more recognizable. He's the most missed right now. I miss the fuck out of him. I wish he was here. But I still think Snoop is the most... His voice too. Listen think Snoop is the most, listen to me say this one. His voice too. His voice too.

Listen, Snoop, everyone knows who he is. They're like, even if your grandma's corny, they're like, Snoopy Snoop? Like, oh shit, hi, cool. Like Jay, don't get me wrong, Jay, Puff, Em,

they did the best financially. You know, Dre the best financially. You know, Dre. Best financially. But they all reached the level of finances and kind of fell back. Snoop just lived up his fame. And Snoop does all kinds of different genres of music. Reggae.

Now there's gospel. He just dropped the gospel album, brother. He's killing it. Let's just make a noise for Snoop. The weed smoker. The weed smoker dropping a gospel album. Drink Champs alumni, by the way. Drink Champs alumni, thank you for being a part of Drink Champs early.

But for me, personally, I think Snoop is the most famous. I think it's neck and neck, him and them, I think. I think it's neck and neck with him and Barack. I think. I think it's neck and neck with him and Barack. I'm talking about rappers, bro. You're going to a whole other world. He took it there, but he said in general. I'm saying Snoop and Barack is neck and neck.

They can both go to Hawaii and Snoop might get mauled before Barack. I'm just throwing it out there. Snoop going to get mauled? Nah, I don't think so. I'm just telling you, B. I've been with Snoop going to get mobbed or something? No, I don't think so. I'm just telling you, B, I've been with Snoop everywhere. Like, I have taught,

but the only place they don't mob him is in L.A. because they're just like, ah, nigga, we see you all the time. Yo, is that, listen, listen,

the other day, right? I used to be 316 pounds, right? Really? So, yeah. Damn. So, I used to, the place that I moved to a job every day six six like almost six years I tried to just jog everything right and

when I first moved there all these guys they would love to see me I just jogged there you rockin shit yesterday the biggest was like real What was that? What was it? Well what I'm trying to say is they get tired of everybody yeah, well just If you understand what I just said they get used to you they saw Nothing see these guys right now. I jog, Roberto, what up, nigga?

It's Nari. Yeah, it's Nari. Once you show them you're accessible, that's it. That's it. Because then you become a person now. But isn't that hip-hop? Yeah, of course. Isn't that hip-hop?

I think that's absolutely hip-hop. That's absolutely, after they get used like, after they get used to you, they really just like, you actually either have to have another hustle, another scheme, another, oh, they don't really, they really don't fuck with you. They like that with the verses,

the songs. Yeah. Even when I got a fucking car, like the first car I bought when I started making money again, it was like, I was driving it, and it was like, damn, there go Royce. That car. Two weeks

later, it was like, I ain't nothing but a car. I ain't nothing but a car. That ain't shit but Royce. Fuck that nigga. So it's like, you put out a song, they love the song. You put it out again, it's kind of in the same chamber. Then it's like, alright, now what else can you do? But that ever bothered

you about rap? Where you, where after they get used to you, you're not really as appreciative? Because even Hov, like Hov 444, it was a dope album, but they gave them a week and a half, a week or two, and then they moved on. This is the generation we live

in, it's disposable. But I don't think it's exclusive to hip-hop right now. I think that's happening generationally. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying in general, I'm applying it to hip-hop. now. I think that's happening generationally. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying that in general. I'm applying it to hip-hop. Yeah, it don't bother me at all. You know what I mean? Like, if anything,

it gives you a better understanding of what you're dealing with. And you, you know, you learn, man, that it's not really as much about you as you think it is as an artist. It's more about the service you can provide,

I would say. You know? But, you know, I would say. Mm. You know? But, you know, I don't think what we're realizing that's happening right now, we could literally put out something,

wait a second, and put it out again. Yeah, that's the crazy part. Motherfuckers, new people will be like, oh, this is new shit that just came out. Now, you're not going to say it's new.

Right. That's crazy. But you could literally put it out again, and it's like, it's new years That's crazy. But you can literally put it out again and it's like it's new years, new eyes. Algorithms are changing and it's hitting new people and that's something that I think

people aren't realizing that's happening right now. We don't know because we're not the ones making the technology. No, because you know what? I know exactly what you mean. What it means is back in the days, we should throw out a record and you would know within that first month or two if this record is reacting or not Right

And then You would move on You would say I'm moving to the next single Or you say I'm going to keep pushing this What did Pharrell tell us? Pharrell told us

About the record Six months later But here's the crazy thing Yeah I just threw out the record With Pharrell And I'm thinking Okay

It did fair It did decent You know We got a Whatever And the guys is like So I keep pushing And I'm thinking, okay, it did fair, it did decent. You know, we got a whatever. And the guys is like, so I keep pushing to drop the video with me and Pharrell. Which one was this? This is Uno Mas.

This is right now. This is recently. This is Uno Mas. This is, so I said, and the guys are saying, please, we don't actually want to drop the video. So I'm like, why? I mean, like, because we have seven million streams on the actual record and once we drop the video like this is like you're killing drop and i was just like the moment this is not the era i come from but i know i'm a dinosaur i know i'm a dinosaur i'm going through the same thing i'm like we gotta realize this i'm like what seven

million does all have a plaque i'm mid roll i'm right in the middle of my rollout right now and i'm learning new shit because you know just introducing're not streaming me and it all have a plaque? I'm mid-roll. I'm right in the middle of my rollout right now and I'm learning new shit because, you know, just introducing the whole streaming aspect into it. Yeah, I don't understand. It changes everything. From what it used to be

when I first got to the business. Absolutely, yeah. All right. It's kind of intuitive for us. We survived like three different eras in this shit. Three different. So when they told me that,

they like, they like, because I couldn't believe it like I was like they weren't in a rush to jump to pull out the video I'm talking about

we're like almost like six seven months away yeah I'm away and they're like yo look Nori because in their mind

they're like fuck it let's just keep getting the streams it pays and I understand it yeah but I just don't understand it because of how much I'm traditionally

Trained yeah, how the business ran yeah, and I realized I was the dinosaur so I shut the fuck up I said the fuck up and I was like I cool You know the mean but at the same time so now hold on hold on it's gonna take a break you keep it going I see you take a piss. I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie. Are you going to move Royce out to take a piss? No, no, no.

Royce ain't going to move. Oh, shit. Yeah, I know. I know. I don't want to project. I don't want to project. So is Scam still here? Yeah, over here.

Scam, just walk over at least over here. So this is my brother, Scam. You guys know each other. Blackness. Can you tell me a little something about how you met scam? Scams gonna tell you tell us how you Oh, you know what I'll tell you what I do remember Shecky green game

Was it game records right? Yeah when they was doing Bad Meets Evil. We didn't even talk about those projects, too. Were those independent joints, just vinyl? Yeah, just vinyl, too. But you had singles with just you by yourself? Yeah, well, actually. And this during the Tommy Boy? This is during my next deal, the Sony deal.

Okay. So, yeah, one of the singles from off of there, what we would do was, I did the album before I gave it to Sony, and then Shecky Green from Gang Records, he had the rights to do the singles from off the album. So he had, like, this vinyl that he would do where he would put, like, the half-naked girls on the cover. Yeah, I thought there was a porn company straight up.

Were there? Well, shit, I don't know. I thought there was a porn company straight up. Were there? What should I know? Yeah, there's some. Oh, there was a porn company? Like that too, yeah. No, they were actually porn stars on the cover. I don't know if it was ever. Sometimes.

It was on my cover. I just know as a DJ, I enjoy getting those records. Yeah, that was the plan. That was the plan. And it worked. Those are amazing records. Yeah. You're doing CrossFit right now. I was trying to, man. I was trying. Let's hurry up. It was amazing records. Yeah. You should be doing CrossFit right now.

I was trying to, man. I was trying to hurry up. I was hurrying up. So, um. No, you can't interrupt right now. I'm so sorry. Definitely, I will not. Yeah.

Continue. Continue. No, he's still finishing up. But we were bringing up how him and Scam to each other. Mm. Mm. Yeah. So.

I remember, I mean, I've seen him in passing. You know what I'm saying? Are you from Detroit, Scam? No. Scam from Miami, Carroll City. Oh, shit, man. How did y'all meet? What type of foul shit was Royce involved with?

Listen, Scam's going to do a documentary. He's going to do a documentary, but Scam got a whole story with Em and everything that goes on. So, I mean, me and him, he wasn't from New York, so he was just like none of us me, Em, him Paul was your lawyer

right? yeah he was like yeah all of that he was the underground's lawyer like all the underground dudes was he your lawyer too? nah he um

I met Paul through Em too he was uh he was Em's lawyer and um when Em shit started taking off he just I met Paul through M2. He was M's lawyer. And when M shit started taking off, he just started focusing on management full time. He actually worked at the firm. Cutler and Setter.

Yeah, with Theo Setter. Theo your lawyer? Yeah, no, no, no. He's not my lawyer. No, no, no. But I know Theo, yeah. Yeah, so Theo was my lawyer and he worked at the firm. Paul worked at the firm.

Yeah. You guys didn't meet though when you took him to the source, right? Nah, nah. I met Royce. He just came through. I don't know. Was you traveling with us when he was starring? Nah. We did a couple stops before he got the deal.

Like when he went to Suede. I was with y'all that night, y'all went up the Stretch and Bob. But I think Paul kind of wanted it to be like just Detroit. So he excluded Miami or he thought of you as New York? Who, Paul? Yeah. Nah, he was just... I'm being an asshole. Oh yeah. So I excluded Miami or he thought of you as New York who Paul? Yeah, no I'm being an asshole. Oh, yeah

Pro Detroit like you know saying what you can't be mad at them But like he was saying when you when you younger you like what the fuck But you know, I see what they try to do do with you. And you rapped or you was just... He had a song. I got songs with him. Oh shit. That's it. I even got the underground shit that you did with Scam. That on Stan, he's talking about Scam. Oh.

That's the aha moment right there. And not to get too deep into it, but you took him to the source, right? Yeah, me, Briggs Morales. The unsigned hype. Briggs Morales. That Em was in. And not to get too deep into it, but you took him to the source, right? Yeah, me, Riggs Morales. The unsigned hype. Riggs Morales.

That M was in, Scam was out. Atlantic Records, what's going on? You're not paying for bills no more. Let's party be around. Come on, let's do it. Riggs Morales is my guy. Let's go. Shout out to Riggs. And Carlitos.

And Julie Greenwald. And we was like, yo, you want to rush on this before Stress Magazine puts it out. Shout out to Stress. You know, saying Riggs was, boom, he did it. Ran next month, and then it was decided. But you took him over there? Yeah, me and A.O. took the stuff over there. Took M to get on Inside Hype.

This is very deep allegations. No, it's not allegations. This is fact. No, this is fact. Ask Riggs. This is my brother right here. This is very deep allegations. No, it's not allegations. This is This is very deep all was just passed in the bar or I think he was just passed in a bar Brick facade I use the a and art electric. He hooked me up with him and Paul didn't really know the underground like that So they would you want to smoke brother cuz just in case you I think that's a silver cherry relax buddy just in case you know this you know this Eminem stairs is like Barbies I'm just throwing it out there they were the first Barbies don't dance you don't want the stairs in your comments right now you better make

sure everything you say is correct and And respectful. I'm just saying. The bottom line, he ain't really know the underground dude, so he gave it to me. You know what I'm saying? I heard it. And you know, the Detroit cats, they say things kind of like Miami. They say finna get stuck, stole. I never heard nobody

that wasn't from Miami say any of that. Is this true, Royce? You finna get stuck stowing this stuff cause I just don't give a fuck. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, oh okay, I could tell he was white, just like from the tonality.

But I was like, yo this dope. Wait, but this is, you're hearing it from Paul showing it to you? Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yo, if it's dope, I give it to everybody I need to get to. You know what I'm saying? So we took it to Stretch. Stretch and Bob.

So how did you already have these connects, though? Oh, I just went with my art. Like, I was just in New York just running up on everything. Because you know he did the... I have the tape of Eminem with Stretch and Bob making prank calls. I actually have that tape. No, but you know he did the artwork for Beats Rhyme and Life, Tribe Called Quest. God damn it. And he did Em's first album, all Tribe Called Quest. God damn it. And he did M's first album, All the Artwork Inside.

God damn it. So how did you go from doing underground work with Scam to doing... Well, he is Scam. No. How did you go from getting to do the underground work with Scam to doing the artwork? This is what I'm saying. No, we was hanging out.

You know what I'm saying? And you said, fuck it, I'm not going to be an artist. I can actually design the artwork. This is what I'm saying. No, we was all, we was hanging out. You know what I'm saying? And you said, fuck it, I'm not going to be an artist. I can actually design the album. No, I'm good. There was no separation between church and state for me.

I'm art, music, I'm all that shit. Skateboard. And Em was a skater. He's a skater. Yeah. Oh, you're a skater? Em is a skater.

Where's Em skate? No, not me. Me. He just said Em was a skater. Oh, Em was a skater. Oh, I thought my bad. I thought he told me that. My Em did.

You're talking about Lupe Velasco, man. Who's Lupe Velasco? That dude. He just said I'll tell you one thing Me him and was in a Times Square Argu arguing about whether Jay-z was dope or not so I don't know if Jay-z oh shit this was like very poor when he was still running college radio before like like like well like all the underground stations they used to play I understand what you're saying I forgot You said it wrong I understand what you're saying

Their presence Right right right Like a little after that Can I get a light But they was like I was like Ah you know whatever But he checked me

Royce checked you Both of them Mainly him He was just like yo I seen it in his face He checked you Definitely checked you He was like

But what do you know What songs you know And I was like I don't need to know anything I know the singles He was like You don't do you know? What songs do you know? And I was like, I don't need to know anything. I know the singles. He's like, you don't need to listen to it. So after that, I made it a point to always listen to some shit before I talk about it. You know what I'm saying?

It was from that. And that's just always been my philosophy ever since then. And a lot of times I had to come back and be like, oh, I see what they was talking about. You know what I'm saying? Reasonable Doubt was like a Bible, man. Ooh. It was like a Bible. I fought for that album.

All barbershops. But Royce, I want to get back to the most genuine hip-hop question ever in hip-hop. Because you said, earlier you dodged the question. Okay. Hands down, if you had to pick one, unequivocally, it's not because it's your man, it's not because

it's a guy you grew up with. If for the sake of hip-hop, if you had to save hip-hop, I got to say, who had the better verse? Oh, I dodged the question? Yeah. He didn't, what,

the Renegade joint? I got one more for him, too. I want you to answer it again. I want you to reiterate your answer. Oh, okay Renegade M1 renegade. I like I like I like him verse. I like ems verse better, right? Because how he was rapping on it Is what I just prefer Okay But

You can't really say It's better than Hov's verse Because a lot of hood people Relate to Hov's verse Yeah More Because What M was saying

Was super lyrical Yeah Then it kind of went over A lot of people's heads Yeah Okay What was the better Disc record

Nas Ether Or Hov Takeover Oh come on man That's a loaded question bro Don't be political I don't know what that means Don't be political What was the better diss record? Nas, Ether, or Hov Takeover? Oh, come on, man. That's a loaded question, bro. Don't be political, man. I don't know what that means. Don't be political.

Can I as a DJ answer this? I don't know. You better answer it right, because I'm from Queens. What's up, brother? No, Nas. Oh, okay. I feel that. Our relationship would change.

I feel that. Ether would change. I love that. Was that biased? That was biased? Bro, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, man. I had the longest argument in the studio with Jay Alec about this shit.

Jay Electronica. Yes. Yo, Jay Electronica, let me just tell you something. We love you. You are new Rakim. You are new Nas. Why are you dodging and dipping to take place and put your crown on? We don't understand, and we don't know that,

but we want to encourage you wherever you're at to put your motherfucking crown on and take fucking hip-hop the way you're supposed to take hip-hop, motherfucker. It's yours. Make some noise for that. And that's a big brother talk right there. Go ahead. I apologize.

Go ahead. No, it's all good. I agree. Listen. Ether won, right? Ether won. W-O-N. W-O-N.

Okay, yes. Ether won. Not to be confused with O-N-E. What? Like as in past tense. It's already clear. Ether won the battle. That was the napalm bomb.

Right. So that song has to get its respect as the best. Wait, I feel like you're setting this up for the wrong way. No, no. Merce is very political and he's sober. Let's continue. He's strategic. Now, if we're talking about the best record, Ether won.

Right. Take over. If we just analyzing songs, it had way more lines. We would disagree. I disagree as well. This is a disagree. It's a great record, though. I'm not going to lie.

Takeover is a great record. Nas had better execution and better timing. And those are two elements in battles that are so important that people overlook. Right. Me and you can be bad. That's the reason why Super Ugly wasn't taken in because it wasn't. It was the wrong thing to say at that time. Yes, yes.

That's why when Murder Moog battles somebody, he wins sometimes. And it's not because he's being more lyrical, it's because he's saying the right shit. You know what I'm saying? I agree with you. It ain't always about being the better MC.

But the production has something to do with it too. It ain't always about being the better MC. A lot of people don't like the Ether beat. A lot of people

don't like the Ether beat. And I think the way that they paused it, like they did all the right edits on the record as well. I like it because of what Nas did to it. I like it because

of what Nas did to it and I like it because he it's on the record as well I like it because of what Nas did to it I like it because of what Nas did to it and I like it because he also made jokes about it because battling shouldn't be that serious when he called him JJ Evans you called you that shit was so

he took it back it was snapping and Holmes took it so serious and I hands down think Ether's better than Takeover and, think ether is better than takeover. And I think it's better than super ugly. And I love Jay-Z. I love Rockefeller.

They've been cutting me checks for over 20 years. I don't want to stop our relationship at all. Yeah. But I also have to be truthful. And I think that they respect my truthfulness. Ether was more effective. It was more effective. And if you don't remember,

see, a lot of people wasn't really around that day, those days. But Nas was receiving blows from every single corner. Plus, no, you can't forget that Nas was the underdog at that point as well. I can't say the underdog. I got to say that. No, he was.

He wasn't at his top game at that point. But let me finish. I got to say that underdog I gotta say that No he was No he wasn't at his top game At that point But let me finish I gotta say that To your acknowledgement He was the underdog Because Jay was right there Trying to be there Trying to be right above him

At that level No I feel that Jay was Nah he was not at that time I feel personally He tried to get Let me tell you something This is all hip hop opinion This is not

At that point in time At that point in time I was on Columbia with Nas. People were treating, when his name came up, it was coming up in the context of like, he finished. It's old. So then that's what I'm saying. He was an underdog. And Jay-Z was like running shit.

Yeah, that's the way. Jay-Z was running shit. That's the reason why he took the shot at him for TakeOver. Because he felt that too. When he was coming at Nas. He was wrong. Everybody was like that's the reason why he took the shot at him for takeover he was coming when he was coming and he felt that too when he was coming at nas he was wrong everybody was like nas is finished got hove coming at him hove was bulletproof at that time that's what i'm saying that's why the record is the part that you forget is that when when takeover came out nas waited like two three months oh no and people were dissing him for it. And back then, you were supposed to respond immediately, just like

how it is right now. They didn't think he was going to respond. And Nas sat down. And they thought when he did it wasn't going to be effective. And then, Theo, listen to me. Nas sat down and killed, and then when Itha finally came out, it did the job. And it was the

exact thing. When I seen me can Drake battling and I heard Rick Ross say to me yo you don't have to respond immediately wait and take your time and meet still did what he did I remember minister that very moment of knives just sitting back and just he just not saying nothing and he waited and he's just not saying nothing. And he waited. I heard the original Ether. I kid you not.

I said this on the podcast before. Not that came out. Oh, I heard the original. That one, I feel like he went too personal. That was the angry version, right? But was it good? You heard about this. Of course.

You heard about this. Was it good, though? It was good, but it was angry. So you can't really appreciate a lyricist being angry. Like a lyricist should never be angry.

A lyricist knows that you got it. That's why your flex freestyle you sitting there and you going like this and you laughing in between them bars.

You know what you're doing. There's a confidence to the way you're doing it. I like when I'm watching battles and the battle that could provide like the comedy. Exactly. Be conversational. So that's what I like when I'm watching battles and the battler can provide the comedy. Exactly.

Be conversational. So that's what Nas... Takeover was like... You know what I'm saying? It was like a flow. Nas was just all in different pockets. Conversational with Ether. You know what I'm saying?

So is that your argument for Ether or for Takeover? I think Ether was more effective. Takeover was more like a record. A good record. Yeah, when you say... It was a good record. It's a great record.

It's very political the way he's answering. It's the truth. No, it's a great record. It is a great record. Takeover is going down... Takeover is a part of a classic album, bro. Yeah. That's a classic song.

That shit is going down in history forever. But you got to pick one. You got to pick one. No, I just told you. is more effective right you know i'm saying if i'm putting on if i'm putting on if i'm putting on one or the other in my car i'm probably gonna play ether more right if i'm if i'm listening to the blueprint might not go straight to take over you know i'm saying like that's a whole classic album. So, I'll pick Ether. Yeah, I'll pick Ether, too. You should make some noise for picking Ether.

And Ho was my man, as well. I didn't do this. You fucked up. No, this is hip-hop. Can you put that back in there, please? I definitely don't want to put this back in there. Oh, come on. This is pure hip-hop fan shit. And this is pure hip-hop. Can you put that back in there, please? I definitely don't want to put this back in there. This is pure hip-hop fan shit.

And this is pure hip-hop discussion shit. Like, a lot of us, like, the crazy thing is, everyone is mad at me because I don't say that M bodied Jay on Renegade. He didn't body him. I don't admit that. A body. A body. That M didn't. Say it again.

People feel like I should admit that Jay got bodied on the remix. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. And I don't feel like that because, and I just know that if I was to say, yo, I related to Jay-Z's verse a little bit more than M, it's because I would get a lot of hate. Yeah. Right? And the thing about it is, I was against the war, awkward lefty, you know.

The shit that he was saying, the shit that Em was saying, I knew it was lyrical shit, but I actually didn't live that. Me personally, I didn't live, you know, I didn't live what he was saying. But when Jay said,

I boxed to the wall, boxed lefty, but I Jay said I box to the wall box to lefty but I realized if I was to ever say that publicly I seem like a Jay Z writer as opposed to and I fucking

I fucks with him and then I know his shit just as good as him but this record I feel like this is what I say and it makes me seem like

a foul not a foul and it makes me seem like a foul, though. Not a foul, dude. It makes me seem like I don't want to keep it real. Because when I look at a masterpiece record, I don't care about who has the better verse. Yeah, you shouldn't. You shouldn't. It's a masterpiece record. Right.

Some people ask me every day, who had the better verse on Bad From TV? And you know what I really say in my heart? Band from TV. Has the best verse. You can't make a masterpiece with both of them. Because if you take one of them out and you say one of them is more important, then that record is not even a classic no more. It's not a classic no more.

If you ask the best of Who Shot You or The Firm or all these classic records, you know, Symphony and all these classic records, let me not get into it, and you say who's ask the best of Who Shot Ya or The Firm or all these classic records, you know, Symphony and all these classic records. Let me not get into it. And you say, who's got the best verse? You actually take away from the actual record. Yeah, it's just fun to do as a fan. You know what I'm saying?

I get it. You hear all these monsters on the same song. It's like, that's what you're going to do. You're going to be like. You can have your favorite, but maybe what you say is like the best or whatever. It's like, it's all subjective at the end of the day. I get it, but at the end of the day, you actually take away from the actual record. When you not say, because if you say, all right, cool, and you take that record away,

is that record not still a classic? No, absolutely not. You know what I'm saying? It's a classic. And that's the thing is, I started to realize that. I started to realize I was always a fan until I became a fan artist. Because as an artist, I still was a fan. I still like to listen to nigga shit.

I don't give a fuck if I was platinum and you were fucking, you know, you sold three records. If I was into your shit, I'm going to dig your shit. That's just who I am. You know what I'm saying? So, I don't know, man. I've been a little crazy

a little bit. Yo, this is the first time we had green cups. This is St. Patrick's Day. Let's make some noise. This is the first time St. Patrick's Day today. So, now, Prime,

how the fuck did you and Preem even initially... DJ motherfucking premier the lesson. DJ motherfucking premier. So, now, how did you... I mean, we...

Ever since we did like the first shit, we... Ever since we did the first shit, when we did Boom way back in the day, it was like people was kind of like... That's a classic record, by the way. Thank you, man. People kind of like the name. Now, hold on, hold on. I got to ask you, Royce.

That was on your album? Boom? Yeah. That was your beat, bro. Word? This is freestyle? Boom was your beat. Damn, bro.

You don't even know what I'm saying. No, no. When I got to the studio when me and Preen was working, we were supposed to work, he was making the boom beat. For CNN? For CNN. Yep. Damn.

I know this story. Continue. I didn't even know we were going there, but now it hurts me more. You're a jerk, man. Continue. Continue. Yeah, so I get to the studio, and now it hurts more. You're a jerk, man. Good team, good team. Yeah, so I get to the studio, and he making the beat, so I'm like, damn. I'm happy.

I'm like, this is the beat. I'm thinking of lines. I'm writing shit down. I'm jotting shit down. He was like, nah, I'm making this for Nori. Nori and Capone and them. And I'm like, I'm looking around like, shit. That's back in the day when niggas used to be at D&D.

That's how I be. That's how I be. I was looking around like, where they at? You know what I'm looking around like, shit. That's back in the day when niggas used to be at D&D. That's how I'll be. I was looking around like, where they at? You know what I'm saying? Just so y'all know, please remember exactly where you was at. Yo, I hated Premier the first time I worked with this nigga, yo. Because we paid him up front. We was just so much fans. They were like, yo, he wants his money up front.

We was like, get rid of him. He's smart. And then he just wouldn't just Garrett's on he's smart and then he just wouldn't just see us he's smart every day he would be like y'all working on a beat for you and this is back in the days where you can't tweet it yeah you can't Instagram it's really working for you I thought he was kidding me I was like yo my dude, I'm just saying, he's from Brooklyn. You know, this is what they know. You guys didn't get Queen's Brooklyn.

Yeah, this is what they know. So I'm like, oh, he might be kidding me. And he would call me like, I'll call you on Tuesday. He'll call me on Thursday. It just didn't seem right. So I actually came to the studio. I'm sorry. Please don't So I actually came to the studio. I'm sorry. Please don't.

I actually came to the studio. And this is what hurt my feelings even more. Was I walked in the studio. He was like. And he's playing beats. He gave me the ugly face. He's not playing. He's not playing shit off a disc.

He's actually making it live. And he's like this. And I went like this. And then when I sat down, I didn't beep. The nigga said, and he erased the beat. Oh, you was liking the beat? Shoot him. You know, I was like, what did you just do?

You know, because the thing about me is if I'm not bopping, it's because I'm writing. Right. Like, I'm writing in my head, but don't get me wrong, I'm not a full potential 28 bar writer in my head, so I get six in my head. Right, right. But I might get quiet on you.

I might get quiet, I might be like... Right. And the nigga looked at me and he said, Dude, every reason! I'm... And he got it! I'm... And he got my phone check. So I'm like, hold up.

And then he played another one. And then the poem did the same exact thing. And he erased that one too? Yes! You're some dupes, this brother. And then it was the third one that he was like, boom. He was like, yo, I like this. And it was like, yo, boom.

And by this time, it was 4 o'clock in the morning. We were all beat. He's like, yo, tomorrow morning, yo, come in here and we'll have it. And then that's tomorrow morning he came in. That's when he put in all the scratches. Which record was it? This is the Invincible. Okay. That's an incredible one.

Yeah, yeah. But that was the first producer. He had y'all beat ready for y'all. Listen, I... So that was probably Tuesday. You know, listen, listen. I mean, he called you Thursday. Listen, you know, listen.

I'm so happy that you told me this because, listen, Premier's my brother right now. Yeah. But that first week of our relationship, I thought he really tried me. Like, I thought he really tried me. Like, I thought he really bullshitted me

because, like, we were going and he was like, it's not the night. And then I would see Biggie and Junior Mafia there and I'm like, I'm sure it's not the night,

nigga. You know, this is big becoming big and then Jay. But continue. So you, Clint. Yeah, I mean, that was basically it. I went in there.

He said he was making the beat for y'all. So I put Prime together. Just give me that props. Spread the rumor. Spread the rumor. N-O-R-E. We put them together. Go ahead.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, that's the day that we did Boom, and that was like one of the first things we them together. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, that's the day that we did Boom. And that was like one of the first things we did together. So it just so happened like after when I kept doing albums, you know, we kept in touch and we got cool. You know what I'm saying? Like I didn't expect for us to get cool. So we had like a lasting relationship from whatever that was, 99, 99,

2000, whatever it was all the way up until now. So. And premier is a real ass dude. Like once you have a relationship with him, you're good. Yeah. I mean,

we, we, we, it got to a point where we just friends, you know what I'm saying? So it was like, he, he executive produced one of my albums before called street hop.

So we worked, yeah, we worked pretty much in every capacity. You know, he did shit with slaughterhouse, you know what I mean? So this was like the obvious next step for me and him. If we were going to take the creativity any further.

So my man Mike Haran had an idea. Haysian Mike? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he had an idea to take for somebody who was like a master at chopping samples, having them pull music from one source and making an album like that. So the idea was initially for Slaughterhouse, because Mike is an A&R over there, Shady. So that was the idea. We're going to use Adrian Young. This is going to Hove. It just came out of nowhere and use Adrian Young. And he was like popping. Remember when Timberland did the Adrian Young sample beat for Hov's

and Magna Carta? It was like, alright, cool. So we're going to do this. I thought the idea was crazy. I thought it was a great idea. So we bought it at the slaughterhouse. They wasn't really super excited about it, but you could tell they was willing to work and do it. We all got on the call with Adrian and shit. Adrian sent a couple ideas.

I rapped right on the shit. Sent it out to them And they didn't move When Crooked don't move Immediately on something Cause he do verses like that You know what I'm saying So if he ain't sending The verse immediately

I know okay They probably not that crazy About the idea And how I work With Slaughterhouse is this If everybody's crazy About the idea Whatever we about to do

Is going to be classic Right If everybody just Showing up to work You never know How it's going to be classic. If everybody just showing up to work, you never know how it's going to turn out. So I just felt like I didn't want to ruin the idea. I didn't want to twist their arms and kind of like force them to do

some shit that they weren't really that into. I'm the dude in the group who got the relationship with everybody. I can talk everybody in the group into doing whatever. I didn't want to put them in that position. So I took the idea to Pring. What do you think about doing it? Because he was already open

to do it for Slaughterhouse. What do you think about just me and you doing it? And he was like, all right. So it started out just as an idea, as an EP. And then we recorded like four songs. And Keno was like, man,

we need more. You know what I'm saying? Keno's that nigga. Go ahead, Keno was like, man, we need more. You know what I'm saying? Keno's that nigga. Go ahead, Keno. He was like, we need more. So I talked Preem into doing a few more. And then eventually I got on the phone with him and was like, what if we just called ourselves

something else besides just DJ Premier Royce to 5'9"? So that's when I was like, why don't we call ourselves Prime? Let's make the P and R capital for Preem and Royce. And then Prime. You know what I'm saying? And he was just like, all right, cool. And then from there, we just ourselves Prime. Let's make the P and R capital for Preem and Royce and then Prime. You know what I'm saying? And he was just like, all right, cool.

And then from there, we're just a group. Okay. But then, what happens is, you guys come out with part one. People hear it. World hip-hopsters

understand what's going on. A lot of people slept on it. Then you go upstairs to Funkmaster Flex. Hot 97. And you demolished it. Thank you, man.

But you do it at such a comfortable level. It's like I can look at it and say, that's a real MC. A lot of people would be like, yeah, you see what this dude did? But you were just like, you're looking at, you're just, the way you,

you could just tell, you're used to this, this is what I do. But, and it made me actually look at how many people started to respect you from that moment as if you ain't been doing this for years but there was so many people like yo did you see my voice there and i'm just like damn but how did you feel at that moment like i knew i wanted to do my best you know i'm saying like and i i got into a i got to a point in my career, man,

where I just started telling myself, I don't want to really do nothing else if I can't make an impact when I do it. So basically what I'm telling myself is, do your best. No matter what you do, just put your best foot forward. So when Flex hit me about coming up there,

which everybody had pretty much been spamming him, saying, yo, you need to get Royce up there. After Tariq did what he did, after Black Thought did what he did up there. He revealed that shit. It was like, it's not really too many other MCs you can call to go up there and do something even remotely close to the magnitude of what that man did. So he was just hitting me like, yo, you know it's time, you know it's time. And I just kept telling him, like, look, man, I'm going to come up there when the time is right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm still working on an album.

I'm working on, like, a bunch of different things at the same time. I promise you, bro, as soon as I'm ready for rollout, I'm coming to see you. I promise you. And then, you know, when I finally got done with the albums and I had a little bit of breathing room and I had some time to, like, memorize a few things, I was like, fuck it, I'm going to go do it. What was it, like 10 minutes? Something like that. We're going to go.

But mind you, the first crime was successful. It was a successful album. It's all independent. I'm just saying, it wasn't industry. Don't be humble about it the thing about it was I felt like this is me personally just looking from the outside in was I felt like

from that freestyle on it was like the industry went back and rediscovered that particularly discography it was like you know what now Prime 1 is a classic I'm just saying, this is the way these fans are.

They from Dickler. Yeah, we, you know, we speaking. Yeah, yeah, you know. I like that word. We speaking to a whole different demographic of people, like different, they're different now. We speaking to people that want beats and rhymes.

And unfortunately, those people are not at the forefront. The forefront people is want to do the nae nae. Yeah, yeah, yeah. rhymes and unfortunately with those people are not at the forefront the forefront people is want to do the name name yeah yeah they want to just say they want to do that dance I can't do this shit, man. Whatever you do, it scares me. I can't do it. I'm in the rhythm, man. You're scaring me.

I was more than that. I was fucking up the wop back then. I'm not in. I'm not in. You know what I'm saying? It's a different generation, man. This is a different generation. But what do you love?

All right. What do you love about the new generation? I heard you big up Big Sean. I like that. You being the older G from Detroit and him being the younger G from Detroit. And I love what Big Sean is doing. Me and him had a little crazy shit, but I'm done. We're done.

We saw each other. But I like the fact that you co-sign your younger generation. Why isn't that more of that happening in hip-hop, where people just see their younger Gs and say, you know what, I'm going to big that up? Me personally, man, I learned how important it is to get support from your peers. You know, like, the few people that supported me when I was young, like, the way it affected me, it spoke abundantly to me.

Like, Bun B did that. He called me out of nowhere. Never met him before. I just, I was, it was way back in the day. I was, like, releasing freestyles and shit online. And it was kind of like tearing shit up. You know what I'm saying? And he called me.

Mr. Porter hit me and was like, yo, Bun B is looking for you. So I'm like, oh, shit. So I get on the phone with Bun. And Bun is basically like, look, I don't want nothing. I'll just call and let you know that you're doing good out there. So whatever you're doing, just keep doing that. And you're going to be all right. That's Bun B right there, man.

He said, if you ever need anything from me, this is my number, and I just want you to know that I support you, and I want you to keep doing what you're doing. And that shit, like, yo, I took a page from his book and was like, yo, this is how I want to be. So when I start getting a little bit up there in age, in the younger artists, I want to be viewed by them as that. I don't want to be

just looked at as this old bitter guy who got a problem with not being able to have a limelight all the time. Can't let go of what he used to be or what his capabilities could have been. You know what I'm saying? I'm really happy with my journey and I want

the way that I move and my energy to reflect that shit. You know what I'm saying? It's a beautiful way. When I was talking to Bun, I felt like I was talking to a nigga who was comfortable in his skin. You know what I'm saying?

That's what success is to me. You know what I'm saying? So that's why you chose Big Sean? That's one of the reasons. And then, you know, like Detroit, we always lack unity. You know what I mean? So everything that happened.

Yeah, everything that happened with me and D12 and shit like that and how it affected me and Em's personal relationship and how it affected our success and the way we were viewed, I feel like every generation that came after us

needs to look at us. What came out of it? Look at us. What can you learn from it? How can we make the city better? How can we do better as a city? And how can you do better as an artist when your city is in the know as well?

Like, when your city knows how to do better, you'll do better, you know what I mean? So we got to support each other, you know what I mean? Like, that's just part of it. And you look at, like, the way Miami, you know, when Miami came together and they, you know, Khaled had everybody on records at the same time and he was pushing unity and shit like that and how much it helped the culture,

how much it helped Miami as a city. And Dave Lopes, she from? She from Detroit, yeah. Yeah, she was in Detroit too. So what happened? Because recently I seen that the city of Detroit gave Cardi B, the Detroit Citizen of the Year Award or something. What was it?

They gave her... Citizen of the Year? They gave her some shit like that. They gave her... Look, I'm on point. I'm on point. They gave her... What the fuck is that?

You know I'm on point, Royce. You know I know what I'm talking about. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. I can't remember the name of the award. I got one. It was like the Detroit Award.

It was like the Detroit Award. Yeah, it was like an award. It was a Detroit Award. If you ain't from Detroit, That doesn't make sense. It was like the Detroit award. Yeah, it was like an award. It was a Detroit award. Like, if you ain't from Detroit, you shouldn't have witnessed. Spirit of Detroit. Spirit of Detroit award.

Spirit of fucking Detroit. See? That's damn near the same thing. Yeah, you gotta be from the motor motherfucking city to win this shit. But she's not. And I love,

let me just throw this out there. I love Cardi B. Cardi B is my sister. And congratulations to her album. Congratulations to her fucking album. If you look at Cardi B's first time she was ever on screen, you can look at the Tao Tao video

if you're on Revolt TV right now. We will be playing a clip of the Tao Tao video featuring Nori featuring French Montana and Pusha T and two chains and cardi b is actually in my video the first time you ever see it so i love the shit out of her so this is this is not what i'm saying but cardi b did get the actual spirit of the spirit of detroit awards and what happened was the city of Detroit erupted.

They really didn't like that. And as much of a supporter I am of Cardi B and as much as I love her, I felt like. You understood it? I did understood it because Detroit, let's just be clear, it should have went to a person from Detroit if it's Detroit spirit. Yes, it's the mind frame. It's the mind frame of the people in Detroit like some of the people in Detroit that has to change before we could like really get to where we need to be as a city not individually you know I'm going to always achieve whatever I'm going to achieve as

Royce you know what I mean but just us as a city you know we got the whole Detroit versus everybody movement and like I was saying on that clip that I put on my Instagram, until everybody is in the right mind frame, those are just letters on a shirt. It don't really mean nothing if we're not kind of like standing by it. Like if you want to just look at it for what it is, none of these awards really mean anything. You know what I mean?

So it's like you giving it to Cardi B, I'm sure there's people in Detroit who are deserving of it, and they can somehow help boost their confidence into doing something else. Because of the morale of the whole city. The morale. Morale is the perfect word. The morale is low in Detroit. That's what we're missing. So little things like that, looking out for our own first,

like other cities do, looking out for our own first will help boost the morale and that'll help get us where we need to be. But see, I understood why they gave it an award because what they're trying to say is just coming from nothing

and making something out of it. But I also understood you guys' stance when you was like, yo, you know, because you guys didn't hate on her. These guys didn't hate on her. There's no one from Detroit

that was like, fuck Cardi B for that. They didn't say that. But they were just like, you know what? This award should have stayed in Detroit. It's the spirit of Detroit. That's what the title of the award is? Let her own city. She deserves to be the spirit of New York.

Let New York give her an award. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. It's a title that doesn't make really sense. Now, Royce, what kind of watch is that, Royce? This is a G-Shock watch, man. Oh, okay.

I thought that was a Hublot because that's a Gucci jacket. That's correct? You guys are talking man-rich shit right now.

You're very rich over there, Royce. You're very rich over there. Thank you, man. Yeah, man. I'm going to be honest.

I admire you. You got the Porsche. You was like the first nigga that had the Panamera. I'm going to be honest. I admire him. You got the Porsche. You was like the first nigga that had the Panamera. I'm going to be honest. No, I was the first nigga with the C7 Vette. See, I got it. I don't even know what that is. Corvette.

Corvette. Oh, Corvette. Okay. C7, when they first changed the body type. Okay. So I got mine. You know, that's a white boy car. I'm just throwing it out there.

Not in Detroit. Not in Detroit. Not in Miami. Not in Miami. Latinos, we have Corvettes in Miami. I throwing it out there. Not in Detroit. Not in Detroit. Not in Miami. Not in Miami. Latinos, we have Corvettes in Miami. I'm from New York. Not in Detroit. Cocaine Cowboy days.

Okay, so all right, cool. So, bye. Because I'm from Detroit, this is one time where being from Detroit worked in my favor. Okay. One time. So, since we don't have a lot of celebrities in Detroit, we got this list that you can get on. So, this dude that owns this Ferrari dealership who I'm cool with he got me on this list where he was like if you was on this list and Cali you would be on the list with like Robert De Niro and things like that so I got like the

fifth Corvette off the assembly line so I was like the first I was I had it before anybody could even lease it I was the first one just like how you say with these glasses. I was driving it because I had rims on it before anybody even seen it. So I was driving it. People thought it was a Ferrari. They was pulling up next to me like, yo, what the fuck is that? It's a Corvette. It's called a C7.

So I just think everybody should know that. I was the first one. You killed it. I'm going in my car to your dealer tomorrow. I'll be like, yo, what the fuck is going on here? You ready? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh shit, DC Twin in the building.

Just make some noise for DC Twin. Come on in. So Royce. Yes, sir. Hip hop. It started out in the pop. You've seen every fucking shape of hip hop. You've seen seen it you've seen from where it is now you've seen from where it's going what's your favorite part of hip-hop

my favorite part of it yeah doesn't matter anything you mean when you break down like rapping graffiti graffiti, breakdancing, shit like that? It don't even matter. Yeah, I think bars is always going to be my favorite. No matter what my age is, I never grow out of dope bars. Bars are like, that's like my favorite component. That's why, you know, like,

to me, bars is like technique. It's what you're saying, but it's also the technique. It's the flow. That's why I prefer M's Renegade verse over Hov's. I relate to Hov's more. But just from a technical MC standpoint, I prefer M's because how I fell in love with hip hop. I fell in love with the cadences and the technique. Somebody come with a new voice like when Snoop came out with that fucking voice,

doggy style. I mean, shit, he changed everything for me. Deep cover, when he did deep cover, he killed it. You was like, we were all like, what the fuck is this? It was something brand new. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's my favorite aspect of it, you know, like something new with styles. Drake is real dope with that, man, like coming with new flows and shit. I think yeah Get you kind of back excited about I wasn't originally a Drake fan But I'm going to stand up and say Drake

No I'm a Drake fan Drake is an MC And he's He's a monster He's something else beyond an MC After that Like he's He definitely could spit

And he could make songs all together You know what I'm saying So worth The greatest boxer All times songs all together, you know what I'm saying? So were it. The greatest boxer of all time. I'm going to go with Sugar Ray Robinson without even thinking. Sugar Ray Robinson.

He killed the man in the ring. Who you got? He killed somebody in the ring? Yeah. See, and I'm disagreeing with you not because I think you're wrong. I'm disagreeing with you because I just want to base the greatest boxer of all time before all the fights that I've seen with my own eyes. Okay.

So this is the reason why I don't pick Ali. I pick Floyd Mayweather. That's the greatest of all time? In my opinion. Okay. Because I've seen all his fights. Yeah. Like all Ali's fights, I've seen all his fights. Yeah. Like, all of Ali's fights,

I've probably seen them. But I wasn't alive to see some of them. You didn't live through those moments. I didn't live, so I can't feel what, like, like, I lived through Tyson's, all of Tyson's moments. But I also lived through all of Tyson's, just, you know, his downfalls.

So, I can't technically root for him. I love him. But Floyd, I felt like I grew up with him. We went through puberty together. And then we actually was grown people together. And he hasn't disappointed me. I do not want him to go to have one fight in the UFC. You and me both.

I do not. You and me both. If that nigga do that, I might cry. Listen to me. I do not. Do not. I don't think he's going to do it. What?

I do not. Say it one more time. Do not. One more might be. Do not. One more, seven. Do not. The team negative. One Floyd Mayweather to ever fight UFC. That nigga might be trolling, man.

We won. We're from the boxing community. They came into our world one time. We won. Let's get our one and done. And that's it. Like, I used to play handball. I's get our one and done. And that's it. Like, I used to play handball. I beat you in handball once, and that's it.

Whatever. That's it. You don't get a rematch. I got a gun. What are you going to do from here? They're going to try and hurt that boy over there if you go over there. I'm trying to tell you because it's not going to be McGregor because McGregor is a thug now. He threw shit at these other people.

So it's not going to be McGregor. It's going to be someug now. He threw shit at these other people. So it's not going to be McGregor. It's going to be some other nigga that's focused, that don't want pussy. Right. And that's going to go in the ring and he's going to kick the shit out of my nigga. Trying to kill him. And I don't want that. That's an L for boxing, man. We can't take that L.

We can't take that L. So me and you are agreeing. Oh, we agree. But your greatest all- time is Sugar Ray? Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray Robinson. I mean, boxing, it's a lot like hip hop, man. That shit got to be broken down.

You know why it's a lot like hip hop? Because you have mad people hype you up. But when you actually go in that booth, it's only you that really matters. Yeah, yeah. It's the same. It's the same. Okay, Joshua or Wilder? Man, easily I'm picking Wilder.

Damn. Easy. Easy work. I knew me and you'd get along. I knew me and you'd get along. That's easy work. That's easy work. Anthony Joshua.

Anthony Joshua. It's not easy work, though. That's easy work. No, I can't say that's easy work. Easy work. Joshua is hitting hard out here. No, no, listen, listen. This ain't no knock on Joshua's punching power, bro.

Please. Deontay Wilder. Deontay Wilder. No, he's listen, listen. This ain't no knock on Joshua's punching power, bro. Please, Joshua. Deontay Wilder got a different... He's that guy. He got a different kind of... He make a lot of mistakes, but so do Anthony Joshua. They both make a lot of technical boxer mistakes, but Deontay got a fire in him. Okay, what was the last fight Wilder had?

He just fought Luis Ortiz. Luis Ortiz. Okay. what was the last fight Wilder had? He just fought Luis Ortiz. Would you see there was a couple of mistakes that Wilder made? Luis Ortiz is a better boxer. He's a better boxer. But the mistakes that Wilder made, could it be detrimental to Joshua?

Because Joshua's very technical. Let's just keep it real. He's not Ortiz. If he would have made this mistake with Joshua, it might have cost him. I'm just keeping it real. Deontay want to win, man. He got to. No, I agree.

Listen, listen. At the end of the day, I'm with Deontay. Wild is my guy. The way the state that the heavyweight division is in, it makes you focus on what I'm saying. Like, they both make mistakes. It's not going to come down to who the better boxer. It's going to come down to who land first and who wanted more. Deontay got a right hand that we have not seen in boxing probably since Tommy Hearns.

And they in the heavyweight division. And this is the UK's first actual champion. And it's first actual black champion. My nigga, I'm going to listen. And they in the heavyweight division. And this is the UK's first actual champion. And it's first actual black champion. My nigga, I'm going to listen. And they can champion. There's something about them. They are 80,000 deep at his fucking fight. They can't fight for him.

They can't fight for him. But boys, let's just be clear. That's something that's crazy because Joshua can actually say, I'll fight you, but in London. You'll beat him in London. But what I'm trying to say is, we don't actually know that feeling when everybody's coming out booing you. How to perform in that.

I mean, as artists, as artists, unless we have real beef with somebody, like you can't go to Poland and the whole Poland boo you. Yeah, no no you got a fight happens, and I'm just talking about because because while the because Wilder is Young still let's just be clear. Yeah, like how do you don't have this answered if you know I'm 40 I'm 42

I'm for a not 42. I know what you're saying. I'm 40. I'm 40. So sorry. But what I'm saying is, as a person that's 27, I'm not saying they're 27. I don't even know their age. But we all think we're mature. You don't really mature until 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 35 is after that, you're like, man, fuck everything. I'm going to go to Costco's today. This is after 35.

You actually have to hit that 35. Anybody here 35? It looks like, yeah, okay. All right. All right. Good. Look, you're not in the Costco's days, all right? So when you're at 35, you're a

cop. But what I'm trying to say is I think that Josh oh yeah I'd say 32 I gotta take my story back I don't understand what I was trying to go with it I thought he was 25 he's not these other team and there was Anthony Joshua good Google? Go ahead, Google that now. You might be on there. Joshua only like, he only like 20 and 0, right? Anthony what? Anthony Joshua.

He like 20 and 0. The UK nigga. He's big as rock. Yeah. Yeah, no, he a beast. Anthony Joshua a beast, man. Please don't think that I'm not saying that. Yeah.

But Deontay just, I think he wanted one. He just recently won a fight, Anthony Johnson. Yeah, yeah. But I didn't watch that fight because I knew he was going to win it. Can you pass this to me, sir? I knew he was going to win it. Did you? Yeah, of course.

Okay. So this is the fight. You're talking about the Joseph Parker fight? I think he's 28. He's 28, right? Okay. Oh, yeah. They ain't half-walled for it.

Oh, I thought they was much younger. He was born October 15th. His other name is October 26th. I thought they was much younger. I thought they was much younger. October was born October 15th. The other niggas October 22nd. October 15th. Four years apart. Four years apart. So now, we going wild. Wilder bro.

Against the Josh Roy. I think he going to stop him. Canelo just got caught. What did he get caught for Royce? He was taking some shit called Climbuterol. It disappoints me, Royce. Yeah. My mom, my mom,

the only, come on, we boxing fans. I look at your Twitter feed and this is, this is how I know you're a real boxing nigga. I just look at your Twitter feed

and I'm like, this nigga's saying everything. I don't know. Are you not disappointed in Canelo? Yeah, I'm disappointed. What the fuck is that caught with?

Some shit called Clenbuterol. Is that a steroid? I don't even want to try to repeat what that's called. Yeah, it's some kind of steroid.

I don't know exactly what it does. Twice? Yeah, man. I was disappointed. I was disappointed. He got caught with it twice? It fucked the fight up.

They're not fighting now. Fuck! They just canceled it. Fuck! And with it twice. It fucked the fight up. They're not fighting now. Fuck. They just canceled it. Fuck. And he's suspended. Canelo like one of my favorite fighters too. Canelo my nigga. Yeah.

Cinema. How you say cinema? How you say it in Spanish? Galera. Galera. You call them cinnamon? That's what it is. They got cinnamon in it.

Yo, how disappointing was you? I'm disappointed. I mean, that's like one of the only fights that I really want to. Gennady Golovkin. Besides, you know, like Spence versus Crawford. You got Spence versus Crawford. Oh, you talking about Errol Spence. Errol Spence.

Errol Spence versus Terrence Crawford. In my opinion, the new Mayweather. He's the Mayweather. Mm-hmm. He's the Mayweather that don't play around. Well, I think Terrence Crawford is the new Mayweather. I think Terrence Crawford is a beast. No, Javante's a beast. He a beast, too.

That's my guy. Javante, my guy. I believe you as well. He ain't. But so you're telling us Terrence Crawford is fighting who? Well, I'm saying not. I'm just talking about the, Errol Smith.

No, no, no. I'm sorry. I don't want people to think that. Nah, that's not happening yet. Okay. But you know, like when you look at every division, you see what the super fight

of that division is supposed to be. Yes. So sometime in the future, that fight is going to have to happen. They can't avoid each other. Because they, their movements are too powerful. They're running through everything moving.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And it's the same with Canelo, Triple G, Wilder, Joshua. Those are like everything that's happening in these divisions are leading up to these fights. And especially with how good the Canelo versus Triple G first fight was, it's like, yo, bro, you just fucked up the opportunity for another man. Who did you think won that fight, in your opinion?

I gave it to Triple G. I gave it in your opinion? I gave it to Triple G. I gave it to Triple G. I gave it to Triple G. I'm not. I was rooting for Canelo, though. I think if they fight again... It's not rooting for nobody. If they fight again, Canelo's going to stop them. He's going to stop them.

Is Dream here? If they fight again. I'm not sure on that I did now that so now Um, are you familiar with the steroid? Do they saying that they caught him with I heard of it before? I'm not I'm not familiar with Because the weed because I do put steroids in the meat so that's a Yeah, that's it that's an excuse. He got caught with it twice, though. Yeah.

He eats a lot of meat. He eats a lot of meat. Is that what you're going to say? Come on. Hey, it's not my world. Don't worry. This is a post-friendly podcast. You can say it.

No pausing this. No, I just really want to know because I don't want to. It's like when somebody calls somebody a snitch. People call people a snitch and they don't have no fucking, you know, like back in the days, you can't call nobody a snitch. You have to have paperwork. You have to

show these people, this is what he snitched. This is the day he snitched. This is the office he snitched to. But nowadays, anybody would say anybody's a snitch and everybody has a look on it. So when you say that, I need to have the actual information. That's the proof, for sure.

What, does that say he's a lot of meat? No, I'm not saying he's a lot of particular. I'm saying to the people, if Canelo is that, show me what it is. Obviously, it has to be something real, because they're saying this is the second time they caught him with it. Yeah,. Obviously, it has to be something real because they're saying this is the second time

they caught him with it. Yeah, I mean, it's, from what I hear, like just looking at interviews from guys like Freddie Roach and shit, they're basically saying that that's always their excuse. Like the Mexican fighters and shit like that,

when they get caught doing something, they always, they got their excuse ready already. So I don't know if he really was doing it or not I just know shit don't look good suspended like I might not happen in what happened with the guy who had the shit do die oh that was a I'm John Pryor they did like a night and pride not and prior yeah they said he was, but,

you talking about when he fought Alexis Arguello? Alexis Arguello, yep. Yeah, he didn't die though. He didn't die. You're right, I'm mixing this two stories up.

He beat the shit out of him. Yeah, he beat the shit out of him. He beat the shit out of him. And he had, he had the shit on his shoulder. They was accusing him of taking something. They was saying it was something.

They caught, they caught some audio from the front. The actual audio says, take this, take this, take this bottle. Give me the other bottle. Give me the other bottle. This nigga's a real boxer.

Yeah, they gave him that bottle. He drank out of that bottle because he just came out the round and he was tired, but then when he gave him the special bottle, he came out and just swang it.

He just came out and just swang it. So what'd that bottle have? We don't know. We don't know to this day. Yeah, no one knows. No one knows although it's like the Ali fan oh you know really sure that there was a powerful statement and peace and taboo great primary for them very also wise the muscle cells and stimulates and stimulates

and muscle protein synthesis which is why also helps you preserve muscle while cutting. Sounds like a great energy drink. Not to be confused with muscle energy, of course. Sounds fantastically horrible. So, the boxing generation, where do you see it going from there? First of all, I think boxing is in a fucking great place right now. First off, I just want you to cut you off.

And we have a podcast called the Drink Champs Network. And we would like you to be our boxing podcast. Okay. Like, for real. We want you you know the guy that follows the fights so i'm just saying like i just i just watch all of them i watch all of them and that's so dope because the thing about it is you're a legend so you're a legend in hip-hop appreciate it so everybody can like actually sit back and say you know what i mean that's what i did because i looked and my father's a boxer so that's the reason why I'm so much into it.

And the way you're talking, you're talking like me. I'm like, I think I know more than everybody. It's just me. It's just who I am. You know, and I think I talk more than everybody. Or I know more than everybody. And then this nigga's talking like me. I'm like, oh, he's dangerous.

I'm seeing somebody who's me. Who's me, who's not me. Instead of trying to compete with you, I immediately want to get down with you because that's something that hip-hop, that's what we have to do. The thing is, we have to start doing other hustles.

Right there, I can see you going to each and every boxing match regardless if it's in Barclays or it's in such and such and you're just

covering the boxing match on some hip hop shit. You don't got to be in they world. You don't got to be in they world and doing like you being you

to fuck. Listen nigga, shit went down. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to, we don't even got to, we don't even got to fuck with them. We just, you be the behind the scenes

boxing nigga of our fucking generation reporting to us. They don't even got to fuck with us. The boxing generation, as long as hip hop fuck with us, that's it. I watch Bill Moore. I don't fuck with news, but I watch Bill Moore. I don't fuck with news.

I don't turn him off and go to CBS or CNN or Fox. Or Fox and see what he just said was the truth. No, I just fuck with his facts. Whatever his facts is, I'm fucking with that.

I'm sorry. That's part of the problem. Definitely is. Let's create the solution. Let's create the solution. Yo, this nigga's doing this, putting punches in the bathroom. I said, you know that's macho, right? In the bathroom where? In the IHOP.

I was in the IHOP, nigga. Nigga, I swear. I was 12 years old. I'm sorry, Roy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It happens. It happens. It happens. It happens.

This nigga. This nigga took about his pop shadow boxing and a-ha. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. He said macho to macho. He said macho to macho. Okay, cute. He said, pop, you want some of this?

I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. I'm just trying to get out the bathroom, but this nigga's like, pop, you want me to show something? I'm like, yeah, cute. You got with the ponytail, you're gonna be mad weird. And that's Macho Camacho. I'm like, what? Who the fuck is that? And he's like, that was a Puerto Rican boxer. And then he went up to him, and he took pictures, and he came and sat with us, man. Rest in peace. Macho Camacho, man.

He came and sat with us. Just so you know, just so you know, that's what all real boxers do. At some point, they'll be hanging out with you. They'll be chilling. And they'll just get up and just. The shadow box. You'll be like, what the fuck is wrong with this nigga? I kid you not.

I hung, listen, I'm a real boxing fan. I hung out with everybody from the niggas that's here to the niggas that's there. And they all just at one point, they just be like. You see? So you throw the combination? Yeah, they just be walking somewhere. They walk into the back. They be like, yo, nigga, you all right? So you throw the combination? Yeah, they just be walking somewhere. They walk into the back.

They're like, yo, nigga, you all right? I swear to God, that's not abnormal at all. But you guys are rappers, sometimes you throw them, you do a rhyme. No, no, no, no, no, no. But niggas, but people, let me just say something. People who write rhymes in their head, they are a little bit more crazier than most. And I don't mean crazier like, what I mean is.

When you say write rhymes in your head, you're talking about like Biggie J? Listen, yeah, Biggie J. Like, they're a little bit more, like, for lack of a better word, I'm going to say weirder. Because writing rhymes, usually you're supposed to say, remember that line and jot it down. But when you supersede that smartness, you also supersede that weirdness. Where it's like kind of, because just think about it.

Even when you write the rhyme you're looking weird as fuck because you can't even communicate with somebody while you're doing it like somebody say what's up you're in the zone you don't want to lose it you're like

and they be like you want me to roll it you're actually talking to yourself. You're actually talking to yourself. So you just wear the sound. As opposed to when you put it on paper or you put it on your phone, I can write it online and be like, yeah, uh-huh. You can multitask. I want cheese on that.

Yes, I would like blue cheese. Okay, boom, boom, boom. All right, cool. And you keep it going. But when you write it in your head, boom. All right, cool. And you keep it going. But when you're writing in your head, you got to block out everything.

You got to block out because if anybody say anything, you're going to forget that you said the Dutch master blew. Right. Rhyme with section two.

What you going to do? A body with who? You're going to forget all that. So you have to just stay there. You got to stay focused. But then you're not writing it down. So you have to stay focused to you. It's a weird thing.

I salute everybody who can do it. I salute everybody who does do it. I had to do that. I had to do that shit when I was young. You had to start learning how to write your own stuff. No, when I first got sober, when I first started writing again sober because they had been so many years I Couldn't write nothing down one ahead Yeah, that shit was almost six years ago, and it was like well got your records

You have a Muslim oil right now, right? You have oils. Muslim oils? Yeah, that's Muslim oil, brother. That's like Egyptian musk. Egyptian musk? It's like baby powder. It's eclipse oils? Yeah, something like that. You know, I'm an old school Muslim oil nigga.

Am I correct or no? It's something similar. Something similar. Okay. All right, keep it going. I mean, when I got sober, it was like I had to teach myself, not teach myself, but get myself back accustomed to writing and doing shit without drinking. But can you tell us how you got to the place to become sober? Oh, shit.

I mean, I just was making, you know, everything that was wrong, every single thing that was wrong in my life, the path from that led to liquor, everything. It just affected my decision making across the board. You know what I'm saying? Like all my decisions, like the people I chose to be around. Alright, I think it pointed to me, that was fucked up. Nah, cause I know it. Cause he knows you a dream champion.

That was fucked up, you could have pointed to him. I know you. Because he knows you're a dream channel. It's not real. You can avoid the hair. I know you can attest to that. Nah, I'm fucking with you. Plus, I didn't have nobody sitting on the side. It's a joke. It's a joke. But you did avoid the meat, of course.

You know, surround myself with it. Nah, I'm fucking with you. Yeah, so the people I chose to surround myself with, the chicks I chose to surround myself with, you know what I'm saying? It was just, everything was bad. Like, the last thing, did you see the media takeout shit when the chick exposed me on media takeout?

Damn, you're going to remind me to remember this because I know I saw it. Yeah, yeah. So that shit happened. It was just too much shit happening. What happened? What happened? Yeah, come on, Royce.

I was having a threesome with these girls, right? Goddamn, what's the issue? I'm here. I'm here. I was having a threesome with these girls, right? Goddamn, let's make it. Take that. That's new. The worst living is life. Living is life. Let's not get sober then.

I'm sorry. Yeah, so I'm drunk as fuck. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I'm fucking the one girl, and then the other girl is recording me. But I don't know. Right. And then, like, I'm asleep. I'm passed out on the couch, and she's taking pictures of me while I'm asleep.

You know what I'm saying? So time went by. I think she was mad at me because I wasn't, like, answering the phone or some shit. You know what I'm saying? But she ended up, I don't know if she sold them or whatever. She gave the pictures and shit to Media Takeout. So I get a call from my side chick, mad, cursing me out because I'm on Media Takeout. My wife don't even know.

You know what I'm saying? So now I got my side chick mad at me for some shit that I did, and then I got to be the one to tell my wife. And then I got into so much shit, got caught doing so much shit for my wife. My wife wasn't even as mad as my side chick. Like, everything was just off. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, I was like, I got to make some changes, man.

And then it was just like, my marriage was ruined, was getting ruined. I was at a financial high in life, but I was just at a hard time. Morally, I was underground. I was buried. You know what I'm saying? No more morals. No more integrity as a man. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you look at the word loyalty, and it's like people break that word down, and they turn it into so many different parts like it ain't just one word. Like, would you ever fuck your man's girl? Nope. No, you wouldn't think about it. Not that you're. Like, would you ever fuck your man's girl? Nope. No, you wouldn't think about it. Not that you're drunk as, but you'd cheat on your wife in a minute.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like. Which is horrible. Which is fucking horrible. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just don't get married. You know what I'm saying?

The way you just threw me out there. I feel like you set me up. I'm sorry. Listen, my nigga. Who, me? No, no, no. He's like. My karma, my karma is instant. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's instant. Were you able to salvage the marriage? Yep. Okay. Me? No, no, no. He's like, oh. My karma is instant, you know what I'm saying?

Like, it's instant. Were you able to salvage the marriage? Yep. Okay. Wow. Congratulations. Yep. So, I mean, shit, I woke up one day in the hotel room, and I was just like, it's time

to stop, you know what I'm saying? And I felt like... And this is after Marshall had already became sober, correct? Yeah, he was years in. Because you and him used to get drunk together, correct? Yeah, he didn't. But he did drugs, too. He wasn't really a drinker like that, but he was... He was years in. Because you and him used to get drunk together, correct? Yeah, he didn't. But he did drugs, too. He wasn't really a drinker like that.

He was popping pills and shit. A pill-popping animal. We got drunk together plenty of times. You know what I'm saying? I mean, shit, all my friends was pretty much my drinking buddies. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that's pretty much what my life was. But the only difference is I'm an addict.

Like, I'm wired like an addict. So, you know, when we sitting around having fun, y'all niggas is drinking and having fun. When the drink champ's interview is over and you go home and chill, I'm still up drinking. I can't stop. Damn, that's me right now, right? I think that's... Damn, right? Nah, we're all borderline.

We borderline have to go to... Hey, hey, bro. No, but we balance it. We do work out. We do. No, we take days out of drinking. And we take days out of drinking. We say we cannot because we're fucked up.

I kid you not. And your baby child. You got a baby child coming up. Why you got to put my baby child? I want to put your business on the street. I want to put your business on the streets. I finally found out that my partner Dick worked. That didn't even sound right.

I know he been raw in business for 20 years. He said, I was like, this nigga's shit ain't working. I got 11 pregnancies. He said this is a pause for English shows. You're absolutely right. I still don't appreciate it.

I'm glad to know that your shit is working. I'm glad to know you got a baby on the way. I thought this would reveal the agenda. I won't do that. No, and the baby shower's private, too. And the baby shower's private, too. I won't say where it is. It's 80.

It's 80. You say where it's at. It's private. Everybody gonna crash. But Royce, so hip hop, man. Did you think that hip hop would be where it's at? And what I'm saying is because listening to you, I imagine you come from the same place

that hip hop, where we at, where you had to have lyrics. That was the first dig of your outfit. Like before you cared about having on Adidas, before you cared about having on Nike's, at least you had your lyrics straight. Yeah. Then you were worried about your outfit. Right now, people worry about their outfit,

they worry about their jerks, they worry about everything else but their lyrics. The lyrics is last right now, I think. Unfortunately. Can you stand this era of hip hop? I choose to deal with it. It's me. Yeah, I choose to deal with it too. I don't think all of it is for me.

Right. You know what I mean? Dog, I'm real, like, I'm good at being okay with shit. You know what I'm saying? I realize if it's not for me, it ain't up to me to get all upset. It's up to me to just find the shit that I like to listen to and just to listen to that shit. God damn it. You know what I'm saying?

That's the luxury where we're at today, though. We can find whatever we want. There's everything for everybody. Because me and Fred, he's a DJ. He should be DJing at every party. I think he's that stubborn that he don't want to DJ the new nigga shit. Because you don't want to hear it. This is my opinion.

It's my personal opinion. Remember going back to DJ the new nigga shit. Because you don't want to hear it. This is my opinion. It's my personal opinion. Remember going back to what we was talking about. I could be wrong. Listen, we have one of the most hottest shows in the world. They want him to DJ everywhere. You know what he wants to say? Fuck them niggas. I don't want to play these new niggas shit. I want to play old school shit.

He too busy making babies, man. God damn it. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, man. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. It ain't even me. That's him. That's the exact answer I would've said.

But if it came from him, it would be better than me. Don't be mad. Let's continue, Mark. Keep throwing your shit. See, so like we was talking about earlier, motherfuckers get used to shit. You know what I'm saying? Lyricism was so important for so long,

we just got used to it. In order for hip hop to evolve, people had to open up new doors, you know? So it was a little hard for us to accept that lyricism isn't in the forefront in terms of liking music, but it's also, you know, it's making us mature as listeners too. But it's still there because the difference

between now and before is that it's not, like you said, it's not in the forefront. But there's still lyricists. There's young cats that are still pushing lyrical ability. There's still, like, here in Miami, we got Denzel Curry. We got Kendrick. He might be not the youngest cat, but he's in that young generation. And to me, he's like one of the illest I've ever seen in my lifetime. The people who are truly on top and have had the best careers from this generation,

you know, like Kendrick, Cole, guys like that, they're the lyricists. Right, but listen. They're lyricists. But you, when you get in the gym and you're good in there

because we were all overweight, all of us, right, at one point. And then we got in the gym, we got our shit together. But when you're in the the gym you can't front You do not turn off Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang Gucci gang Says you do not or you do I do that. I do not I leave it on when it comes on my

Turn on I leave it on Gucci gang The conga in the studio. Yeah, in the studio? I'm talking about the gym. I mean in the gym, sorry, sorry. Wait, you turn off Gucci gang when I come on in the car? No, no, no, no, no, I don't. I'm saying you got a Porsche Panamera.

It's very nice. White. Very nice. Very nice. Listen, he's going to give it to you too. Very nice. Very nice. Yo, listen, when you ride in the car and Gucci Gang come on, and you got on Gucci, because I also watch your attire,

you're very Gucci Gang too. You're very. And then they say, come on, Gucci Gang, Gucci Gang, Gucci. And you're a very good sister. No doubt. I think it's a cool song. It's a cool song. I don't turn it off. Even when I'm in the, like. I be like, Gucci gang, Gucci gang. And you're a lyricist. No doubt. It's a cool song. It's a cool song. I don't turn it off.

Even when I'm in the... I'm like, Gucci gang, Gucci gang. Even like in the club and shit like that. Gucci gang, Gucci gang, Gucci gang. Y'all don't really want to hear like no super, super lyrical shit. No, nobody wants to in the club. I call it responsible ignorance. Yeah, music... That's when you're an adult, though.

Music should be like that, though. That's a good one. Music should be like that, though. Music should be like a soundtrack to every single thing that could possibly go on in your life. It should be music for everything. It should be music for every mood. Just like watching a movie. You know what I mean? Like, I prefer

lyrics, you know what I mean? But also, you know, like, I like tons of different styles of music Different kinds different genres You know I'm saying so you can pick some out any anything that these young dudes are doing some of it It's just like not not tolerable. You can't listen to it, but shit. I just turn it off I think there's different conversations when you're talking about like if you want to talk about the upliftment of hip-hop culture Yeah, I mean, I think those are different conversations And this is drink chat motherfucking podcast

Before we get about here look before we get about so Is it difficult for you to be around environments as a person that's sober? Because we want our fans to know that you can listen to us sober as well. Yeah, yeah. Just because we're getting inebriated and we're doing all this. This is about hip-hop history. This ain't about us getting drunk or whatever.

And we had Joe Button on here. And now we have you on here. And y'all both have similar stories being, you know, recovering. How hard is it to maintain an everyday society after you make that switch? It's not difficult for me now. You know, when I first got sober, I didn't trust being in certain environments, so I just didn't allow myself to be in those environments. Like, I was about to, we was just about to do a slaughterhouse tour when I got sober. I had to call all the guys in the group individually and just tell them that I couldn't go.

Right. Because of the sobriety. Yeah, we weren't able to do, because I didn't know, I didn't know what sobriety was. I didn't know if it was a situation where if I smell some liquor, would I want some, you know what I'm saying? Like, would the shit be like dangling a steak in front of my face and I'm hungry? You did the 12 steps? Is that what you did? Yeah, you automatically do the steps. I mean, I'm saying... And you was a

Patron guy. Yeah, my last... Patron shit is a little shit. I went through different phases in my drunkardness. But I had a legendary drunkardness. Yeah, that means he drank everything. Please, give us the legendary drunkardness story. I mean, I started out. Yeah, that means he drank everything. Please give us a legendary drunkard story. I mean, I started out with the first drink I ever drank was Jack Daniels with Dr. Dre.

With Dr. who? Jack Daniels, Dr. Dre. Dr. Dre came to the studio and he turned you out with Jack Daniels. I was at his. What'd you say? Dr. Dre and Jack Daniels were going out together? I didn't even realize the way I worded it. What y'all going to name

this episode? We're going to name it Dr. Dre and Jack Daniels. You're going to have to call this pause-friendly, the pause-friendly episode. Pause-friendly, good. Yeah, so I started out

with Jack Daniels and then I started drinking Bacardi with Marshall, just Bacardi straight. That's all we drank in crazy ways. Bacardi straight. I always... Not Bacardi with Marshall, just Bacardi straight. That's all we drank in crazy. Bacardi straight. I always. Not Bacardi Limon.

Just Bacardi. Bacardi Limon was next. No, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't go there. No, I was about to say, I never ever in my drinking career drink mixed drinks. Limon is the worst.

Always straight. I never drink mixed drinks. I never drink mixed drinks. You are real rough. That shit just don't get in the way. I'm sorry. I don't mean to sound like an alcoholic that's trying to bring you back.

But you do. I don't mean to sound like that guy. I'm just saying that might have been the problem is you was going way too hard. Nah, man. You might have needed some salsa water. You're right. You're right.

I'm just keeping it real. I'm just suggesting that right now I'm not suggesting that I love you Royce And I really respect you I swear to God Really really do But I'm just saying I'm just

Maybe in another life Not in this one You know I know There's two things I didn't understand with drinking Okay maybe in another life. Not in this one. I know. There's two things I didn't understand with drinking. Okay. Why people wanted

their liquor to taste good. No, no, it never tastes good. Never did. But that's what the mixing, that's what the mixed drink shit is for. That's what champagne is for.

You go to a bar and they put, they put this much liquor in it and they put a bunch of shit in it to try and make it taste better. I always tell people it never tastes good. It feels good. The first one always hard. Yeah, it's right. They put this much liquor in it. No, no, you're right, but I never. And then they put a bunch of shit in it to try and make it taste better. I always tell people it never tastes good. It feels good.

The first one always hard. Yeah, it's like you can't. You're right. Once your tongue is numb. It ain't supposed to taste good. How many years you got sober? I'm on my sixth year. Congratulations.

I'm about to be six years old. So I didn't understand why people wanted it to taste good, and I didn't understand why people would just go have a couple drinks. If you're not going to get fucked up, what you drinking for? I'm not going to lie. That's where I'm at. No, no, you drink to get fucked up. That's how it is.

We're fucking assholes, man. What's to use? So this is like when we, us assholes. No, but I'm not going to lie. I see you cut it off at one point. I see you feel yourself. You see me? Yeah, I see you get yourself and then, but then I also see... You see me? Yeah, I see you, like, get

enough and you win. But then I also see you tell Pitbull, you want to fuck him up. I also witnessed this. I witnessed this. Why are you allowed to say that? And the title sign, Pitbull just walks through and you say,

Pitbull, fuck you! And I'm like, yo, man, what's going on? And he's like, fuck said, Pitbull, fuck you. And I'm like, yo man, what's going on? And he's like, fuck you, Pitbull. Fuck you, I'll fuck you right now. I'm like, EFN, why am I here? Why did you invite me out to a tanasana? And everyone knows I'm not lying once I say a tanasana.

You understand that you got to be very under the water to know that. Let me just tell you where that is, right? This guy's an asshole, man. When you Latino, right, there's like different levels of clubs.

They got the clubs where it's like everybody can go to. Then there's the clubs where everybody can go to. Okay. So, I mean, underage, overage, middle age, no age. So we go to the joint and I walk in. This is so out of context. This is out of context. Latinos, Latinos, tell this nigga, the DJ said,

Quitate la ropa. Tell that nigga what I say. What does that mean DJ said keep that down. I know What does that mean take off your clothes chicks is Okay I'm from New York City. I saw my Where am I? Don't you listen to Miami for a couple years No, this is kind of like my first night. All right, buddy. All right.

Keep that down, La Rump. I'm going to remember that shit for the rest of my life. Keep that down, La Rump. Nigga said that in the video. I said, what the fuck type of Spanish is this? I needed to learn that Spanish. And then Pimple Hoos just walked through. But you know there you know there's backstory to that I don't know the backstory Is he walked in and he did not say hi to EFN.

And EFN took a couple of more quitas de la rosa. And that nigga walked over and said, I'm going to fuck you up right now. Now the security is teach the chef. He says, check this. Nah, the security is Teach. The chef. He's a chef. Nah, it was purple back then. No, but... Teach is like, yeah, fair, what are you doing?

Teach is my family, bro. No, but this is how drunk you were. Teach is like, please, yeah, fair. No one did that, see? Like, the fucking... What was she drinking? Nah, but that's not what happened. Nah, I'm still reading that story.

That's not exactly what happened. I feel like if you answer the question, then it automatically makes it true. This is a Mark Sandler story. No, that's exactly what happened. I feel like if you answer the question, then it automatically makes it true. This is a much better story. That's not what happened. I'm just saying, a lot of people like Pluto and Eddie. It's not the story. That's the story of what happened. It's not exactly what happened.

You know what? I'm agree with that. I got a feeling your version of it is less funny. Oh, definitely less funny. But it's close to that, but not that. But does your version contain, Your version of it is less funnier. Oh, definitely less funnier. No. But it's close enough, but not that. But does your version contain, I'm going to fuck you up? I don't know.

I'll take the fifth. Let's change something. Let's make some noise for Nuri's version. The reason why I'm pounding on you, that's not what this is. This is a supportive movement. When you see Royce, Royce leaving this interview, Royce is like,

man, I love Dream Chat. Dream Chat's big me up, they do whatever. But there's a couple of clips where we're being funny and that's what the fucking whole audience looks at. Right. So people think, they're like, yo, but the thing about it is,

this is something that I just told somebody the other day, is don't diss me for the 2% of what's wrong. Big me up for the 98% of what's right. Like, if I'm doing doing something 98% that's right and it's only 2% that's wrong, how dare you call me about the 2%? Why not call me and say, that 98% you're kicking out is great.

They got the whole hood happy. Church. You know, but a person called me about the 2%. And they made me just think of that maybe just express that so the thing about hip-hop is hip-hop we don't give our people they flowers what they can smell them they trees what they can handle they thoughts what they can think of and they drinks while they can drink them. Yeah. And the thing is,

you know, God bless the dead, Craig Mack. Love Bug Starsky. Love Bug Starsky. All these people, these people passed away and now people want to post pictures of them. That's not what we want to do on Drink Chance. We want to post pictures of you while you're fucking alive.

We want to big you up while you're fucking alive. And most of big you up why you're fucking alive. And most of the people that we interview don't even really have something going on. But to us it's what you did. It's bigger than that.

It's who you are, not what you're doing. And so it hurts me sometimes when I see people and I tell them I say, yo listen, I see you about to drop an album. Come fuck with us. Come see us. Or they'll listen to their record label and they'll go see such and such or such and such. And it doesn't matter because the thing about it is we don't need you first.

Right. We need you when you're ready. Right. You know what I'm saying? But the thing is, it makes me know what level the artist is on. What we going to do? What's your opinion of Javante Beavis? Be a beast.

Future legend. Future legend. Future legend. I always say when people bring Tank up, I always say that nigga, he punches with conviction. He throws every punch like he's trying to kill you. I love those kind of fighters. That's that fire I'm talking about that can't be taught. Deontay got that fire.

Deontay Wilder. Yeah. So 100% hands down, Deontay Wilder is taking on Anthony Joshua, and that is it. Well, you can never say 100% hands down in the heavyweight division. In the heavyweight division, it's... No, but right now we're taking your bet. We're taking your bet, Royce. I would say put your money on Deontay.

Okay, but now your money, what would you bet? I'm putting my money on Deontay if I'm betting. All right. I'm talking about one to ten. How much money would you put? One to ten on Deontay? I'll say ten. I'll say ten. I'm confident.

I'm confident that he was... He just got more fire, man. He got more fire. More fire. And when is this fight supposed to take place? June? July? They still haven't...

They haven't... They ain't signed on to fight each other yet. Huh? Gervonta's fighting 18-12. Gervonta is. I don't even know what the nigga's name is.

What's happening? Well, listen, man. Royce, I want to thank you for coming down is 5'8"? Javante is. I don't even know what the nigga's name is. What's his type of club? Well, listen, man. Royce, I want to thank you for coming down. Sit down. Thank you for having me. And, you know,

for me, I want to salute you because I forget who are your peoples, but I wanted to ask them and say, yo, you know,

should we stop drinking or should we stop smoking or some type of shit? And they was like, Royce is good. He can sit right the fuck in there and y'all can do whatever you want. So before we get up out of here,

how did you develop that type of tolerance where you could actually, you know, sit around people that's indulgent and you not indulge? Yeah, you just, it's sobriety. One of the things

with sobriety is just about learning yourself. You know what I'm saying? Like, learning exactly what you can and can't stand. Like,

when I first got sober, I thought I was going to have to be exactly like how M do his shit. Like, it ain't nobody around M drinking and smoking and shit like that.

Yeah, you kind of, I'm not saying that he's isolating himself, but we don't go around him drinking you know i'm saying like i was traveling with him while i was still drinking and i never drank around him you know so like when i got sober and i went around slaughterhouse they did the same thing but i'm sober my nigga so i could tell when you hiding drinks hiding a bottle and you know

i'm saying when y'all got drinks but y'all just don't want me to see it. If anything, that shit make me feel more weird about it. You know what I'm saying? Because you reminding me that I'm the motherfucker who's different from everybody. You know what I'm saying? Like,

it make me feel better when everybody is just themselves. Do what works for you. And you're mentally strong to be around this. Yeah, because if we working with each other and we doing some shit,

I want you to be in your element. You let me get my element, and I want you to be in your element. Same with the get my element and I want you to be in your element. Same with the interviews and shit, man. This is what y'all do on here. You know what I mean? Like, I talk to people

and tell them I'm coming. I'm excited. I'm like, yo, I'm about to go fuck with Nori. How can you do that when you don't drink? Yo, it don't mean I got to drink.

Right. I think I personally texted you and told you that. Like, please, that's not what we do. Like, you know, like, the thing is, the thing is, I'm sorry, we want to praise our artists you know i'm saying voice so many people they want to wait for you to die you'd be hurt yeah or you to go through something tragic

for people to actually be like your voice is dope yeah and that's why i was so i was so happy when you um you said something about fat joe recently yeah he's like how long are we gonna keep continuing to ignore that fat joe was just out here relevant and then fat joe came and he he and he said yo yo this is a lyrical giant i forget what he said you know i'm paraphr, of course. But he bigged you up back. And I was like, this is what hip-hop is supposed to be. This is exactly what it is supposed to be. The thing is, we're so competitive with each other that we forgot to big up the people that we're actually fans of. Yeah, you say something good about somebody, you automatically have dick right up.

Yeah, dick right up. We don't want that. That's what Drink Champs is established. It's to take away that Dick Ryder. I have no problem with telling you boys, I think you're a lyrical giant. I think that aside from the actual success and the money and there's no disrespect, it's all love. But you're up there with MJ. And you're up there lyrically. Thank you, man. You know what all love. But you're up there with M and J. Yeah, yeah. And you're up there

lyrically. Thank you, man. You know what I'm saying? You're up there with them. And the thing about it is that takes nothing away from me from bigging you up.

Yeah. So fucking what? You deserve it. You know what I'm saying? You deserve it. And the thing about hip-hop is so many people,

they don't give a fuck about saying you deserve it. People in hip-hop aren't comfortable enough in they don't give a fuck about saying you deserve that. People in hip-hop aren't comfortable enough in their skin. Right. You know what I'm saying? And it's like everything is contingent upon other people's opinion of you. So you put that, being worried about them and seeking validation from those people, you put that ahead of just being a good, genuine person.

You know what I'm saying? And it take the people with respect like how you got you you can take the steps forward and big people up because they're not gonna come at you a certain way you already developed a certain respect right you know i'm saying and it's the same here when it comes to lyricism i feel like i can compliment anybody because i've already established myself as respected as a lyricist so when they hear it coming from somebody like me, they look at it different. That's why I said what I said about Fat Joe. You know what I mean? His longevity

is inspiring to me, man. He's like one of my idols. He's like one of my idols. I had conversations on the phone with people. I had conversations on the phone with Keno about industry shit. And there's certain things

that I'm not supposed to be able to accomplish at my age, statistically, in this music shit. Right. And then you turn around and you see Fat Joe do it.

Right. There's always an exception to the rule. Always. I think Dream Champs is that example as well. No, he's right though. Yeah, yeah.

You're both right. You're both right. Hell yeah. Both the same thing. So seeing this show pop off of you and shit like that, that's equivalent to Fat Joe coming with Lean Back. Right. It's incredible because it's not supposed to happen if you ask the critics.

Right. And the thing about our show, so sorry. The thing about our show, it should be a cheat code for the people who sees it. Meaning, the people that, like, everybody, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody else can. I don't, I don't, relax. I don't, listen, I don't want to make excuses. Like, we're here for the people who have been here 10 years or more, who put their grind in.

So now, if you want to promote your little sisters, you know what I'm saying, single, and you want to come on here, and you want to open up. If you want to promote your gator, I just started rapping. Your alligator? Yeah, it's alligator.

Nigga got an alligator. I'm just saying. I'm just making it up right now. You got an alligator and you want to because this this should be the cheat code

for niggas that got 10 and and 12 and 15 years or more in this game. Because you know what? You have the regular

radio station when you're a new guy. You have the regular SoundCloud when you're a new guy. But this should be a platform when you've seasoned and I'm talking about you know what season mean? But this should be a platform when you've seasoned.

You know what seasoned mean? Seasoned mean these motherfuckers season you and then put you in the refrigerator, nigga. And let you bake overnight. I got that. And then they take your monkey ass out. And then they fry you. That's seasoned. That means you have to stay in the

refrigerator cold for a certain amount of time. That's seasoned That means you had to Stay in the refrigerator Cold For a certain amount of time This one said This is This is the fuck It's a horror movie It's a horror movie But this is what it mean

When you say you seasoned in hip hop You had to go through a certain freezer Yeah With the seasoning on you And you can't even get hot Frozen You got seasoning on you And you gotta can't even get hot. It's frozen. You got seasoning on you, and you got to get cold. Frozen and seasoning.

This is real. You got to go through this in hip-hop. And then after you come through that, this is the reason why I always push the hip-hop union. It's because after you go through that freezer, and after you wake up that next day and they put you in the oven, hip-hop should take care of you for the rest of your life and that's the thing about it the thing about it is so many people who gave a blood sweat and tears they did it they went platinum and they fucking homeless right now they working in McCorry's and McCorry's doesn't even exist no more. So that lets you know where they workin'.

They workin' in Walmart. That's heavy. This is real shit. If you gave 10 years of your life to hip-hop and you really came out there, you really worked, our union, it should be a union in place. It should be a fuckin' pension or somethin', yeah. That at least helps. The only other corporation in the world that doesn't have a union is boxing.

And boxing is the most brutal sport in the world. Is this what we're saying about an entertainment company? Yeah. Hip hop? This is entertainment. We ain't beating each other up. I mean, we beat each other up Because that's what we choose to

But this should be A hip hop So I am going to Keep continuing doing This podcast I'm keeping doing Until we find Because UTA

And I forget who else Who reached out to us To help us with this Hip hop union A couple people did A couple people But until we actually get this Because I'm

God bless you, and I don't ever want to, you know, knock on wood, bless anything. But let's suppose something happens to you tomorrow, right? Royce, you went through your level where you had to get sober and you had to do something. Why the fuck? And then you know what happens? The whole world says, well, Em should have stepped up.

Let me just say something. And then, you know what happens? The whole world says, well, M should have stepped up. No. Let me just say something. Let me be fair about this. Yeah, M should step up. But you know who should step up first? Hip-hop. The community. You gave your blood, sweat, and tears to us.

Yeah. It should be like a guild, like an actor guild. It should be like any time, any nigga in our community, he get locked up and it ain't rape. And it ain't murder. Right. It ain't something. It's all a crime that we can respect. He was selling weed. Fuck it.

Let's get that nigga. It's a crime that we can respect. Let's get him. But if you was to get sick right now, God bless, I'm sorry, there wouldn't be nothing to come to you but them. But a Paul Rosenberg.

But your own people. And that's kind of not their responsibility after you give us 17 years of your life. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You understand what I'm saying? You give us 17 years of your life. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You understand what I'm saying? You give us 17 years of your life. It should be a union that just says,

oh, Royce is sick. Oh, shut the fuck up. Everybody move the fuck back. My nigga, when I got sober, I didn't even have health insurance. Health insurance is something new to people in our world.

I didn't even have health insurance. I had a ton of money. No health insurance. That's the last thing we think about. Yeah, it's like... But it's the first thing that bothers us.

Hip-hop is like... It's a big business and it's like a lot of money to be made, but it's like you get no information when you come into this shit. Everything you learn

is based off of making mistakes. Unless you're blessed enough to be around somebody who can kind of like point you in the right direction, but you learn is based off of making mistakes. Unless you're blessed enough to be around somebody who can kind of like point you in the right direction, but you learn everything off of error. Statistically,

most people don't survive those errors. Damn. So it's not, hip-hop is not set up for you to succeed. It's set up for you to fail, for sure.

Absolutely. Well, please don't say hip-hop. Say the business. The business, yeah. Entertainment. Yeah, please don't say hip hop. Say the business. The business, yeah. Entertainment. Yeah, because hip hop is made for you to be whoever the fuck you want to be.

You just got to be who the fuck you want to be. But the business is definitely made. The business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God damn it. Listen to this. And we're going to start something new. We're going to let the artists do their drops on their own.

Shout out to Lux Now. That's where we're at right now. Royales. And yeah, yeah, Lux Now. And then we'll do the picture together. Yeah, and the drop. Let's do it. No, no, no. Drop.

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