Drink Champs - Episode 134 w/ Faith Evans

Episode Date: July 17, 2018

N.O.R.E. And DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys chop it up with Faith Evans. They drink it up and talk about everything from Faiths career, the era of Bad Boy, meeting BIG, 2Pac, and a lot more! --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is your boy N.O.R.E What up, it's DJ E.F.N And it's Drink Champs, motherfucker Happy hour, make some noise! And we got one of the queens of the culture in the building right now And when I say queen, I'm talking about really queen And we got one of the queens of the culture in the building right now. And when I say queen, I'm talking about really queen, royalty, married to the king, came in this game on her own, did what she had to do, still surviving, still just dropped the album, the king and I. And in case y'all didn't know who I'm talking about, we're talking about motherfucking Faye Bezos!

Let's get that bottle open real fast. Real fast. Pop that. So listen, we had Ceeze on here. Ceeze is running around here. Yeah. With Sonny D. And he said, like, he's traumatized.

He can't even smoke weed anymore because he's that big. They used to smoke so much weed with him is that is is are you anywhere near that i see i'm not traumatized but i might be near with the higher tolerance like big right but i'm not quite as bad because back then like here it would be a room full of us. And, like, anybody, like, you know, he'd have the hash. He wants to, you know, roll a big blunt, put hash in it. And then if you ain't smoking a hash blunt, you got to get out. Or if you fall asleep, you got to get out. Like, you know, you got to get high.

Like, if you ain't getting high with us, you got to get out. Smoke chams in that motherfucker. I'm not that bad, though. Right, right, right. So, now, you're originally, you're from Jersey correct from North the bricks The bricks is rare I got a friend of big I'm saying on Clinton Avenue. It's very rough on that I'm very school actually well my high school, but I went to school On Clinton and clean and will avenue and clinton place oh wow

wow so how does a girl from jersey link up with bad boy how did how did this this stuff was this always been your dream was to be um a singer or well a singer yes i say i've been singing since i was like two years old you know since i could basically talk. But my initial audience was in church. Wow. And the first song I actually sang when I was like three was a song from the Flintstones. I guess, you know, the Flintstones, I remember, and the Jetsons was like my favorite part of the songs.

Theme music? No, it was a song. Okay, you remember the episode when Bam Bam and Pebbles performed at something that was like the Hollywood Bowl? Okay. You remember all of you. I'm 42. Okay, we are 45. Just turned 45. So was like the Hollywood Bowl. You remember all of you. I'm 42. I just turned 45.

So we around the same age. And then they sang, let the sun shine in. That was my first song I sang in church. Oh, God. Damn. That was awesome. That was awesome. Pick up the flipstone.

Pick up the flipstone, yo. Listen. So, I mean, over the years, I knew I had a gift with singing. And then later on, I just started as a hobby writing music. But I never knew I was going to be a recording artist. I knew I wanted to make money with my voice somehow. But the whole being a signed artist to a label and nothing to do with church, you know. I sang in other places, school.

I sang everywhere I could. Because most great And you know why to learn at church is kind of like ill because it's either like you're either really good Oh, you're like really bad and like You can't say you can't really say, you can't really say Jerome, you need to stop Jerome. You're selling sandpaper. Jerome, you're selling sandpaper Jerome. You know what I'm saying? You can't really do that in church.

You know what I'm saying? But, so it's either you're really good or you're really... So, how did you... What made you want to say this is going to be a professional thing? Because all of us know that... All of us successful artists know that

when we start out as a striving artist, it's not a lot of money. No money. No money. It's a lot of demotivation, not motivation at first when you first started. How did you transition to say, I'm going to stick with this and I'm going to make this work? You know what?

It's crazy because church wasn't my only thing. I sang. I was the singer with my jazz band in school. I did weddings, funerals, my mitzvahs. I was just singing everywhere. Hustling everywhere. Wow. I won a pageant or two. I was the singer with my jazz band in school. I did weddings, funerals, bar mitzvahs. You know, I was just singing everywhere. You hustling everywhere. I won a pageant or two. I just wanted to sing.

And just so happens, you know, a few people I knew got in the industry, but I still was just singing everywhere. It was just about singing. Later on, I recorded and taught myself how to arrange records and produce myself, not even knowing that would have anything to do with my career later on. Wait, wait, wait. She said producers? a minute producers well pretty much i mean by the time i met puff i'm gonna fast forward okay red man one of my best friends is rising over red man's sister okay red was my boyfriend when i was in the ninth grade so wait a minute wait a minute

when i first got in the business with him he can always come to my sessions and check on me and stuff like that. But right before Red Con, he was a drummer in church when we met. You know, he was still. That's crazy. He was DJing and stuff. But he was a drummer? Right prior to Eric and them kind of going to meet him in sensations and kind of discovering him in that sense. But I was just always around him.

My daughter's father, actually, he was a producer, and he became a producer with Christopher Williams. So I actually graduated from high school. Christopher Williams, the light-skinned guy from New Jack City? Yes, shout out to Christopher Williams. Sit your father ass down before I make change. God damn it. So I was around it, and I actually left my full scholarship at Fordham University, my academic scholarship.

In a BX. Because my daughter's father told me to move to California with him man yeah nothing to do with me being an artist but I got pregnant and you know whatever it just sounded way more fun than living in Newark and nonetheless um by that time I was already kind of like super dope and just a hobby recording myself I had already been singing everywhere, but I met this dude. You know what record yourself as well I'm not gospel group and we made a couple of a B side records, you know But this is when I'm like 13 14, but the dude that recorded us was the ladies nephew

Let me just tell you how God works Right off of Fordham Road. I mean, right off of Grand Concourse. I didn't know I was going to end up going to Fordham University on a full scholarship then when I was 13, 14. Wow.

Just so happens, I get this full scholarship. After my classes, which I was, you know, I got to go because I got the scholarship. I would always

go to the dude's house. I used to get whoopings for sneaking out the window to go to this studio in the Bronx before I was of age to really be doing it. So I really knew

how to record myself. Like I said, said produce myself stack my vocals because he taught me how to use that little Tascam thing where you could go straight to the cassette so I had eight tracks to work with so by the time I met Puff I mean it was really I was just a ride as my daughter's father I was his ride to the studio and waiting in the lounge and Puff was working on Usher's first album and he needed somebody to sing this part and they was like she could sing you know and i went in there murdered it like i stacked it i was like mr puppy excuse me can i change the round and i made i murked it i know i did as soon as i came out the booth he was like you want to sign to my new label and i wasn't there for that at all i know i had on a church girl outfit or something like i wasn't

like okay yeah that wasn't like my thing. It's like, if it happens that way, okay. I had worked with Albie Shore prior to that. God damn it. But he wanted me to just, no, he begged me just to do his demos. But again, I was just there with my daughter's father. He heard me singing on the tape and like, oh shit, that's you? Like, come hook my shit up.

So it was just, I was in that place at that time. But wherever it was that I was going to sing and some money it's kind of where I wanted to be whether it was in a professional recording sense or at a wedding or a retirement party you know what I'm saying okay in the movie right big walks out of a room and I believe puff says I'm I'm gonna meet my artist so you was already signed to Bad Boy prior to you even knowing Big was on that label oh yeah yeah yeah Big didn't know

me either I think when we finally met at that it was like this photo shoot because mind you Big had signed to Bad Boy when Puff was still at Uptown Toto was signed before me as well and Craig Mack but when I remember Big I mean Puff had this photo shoot.

I had already worked on Usher's first album, Mary's My Life Album, so while I was negotiating my deal- Rob Markman, And when you say worked on it, you're saying like- I was writing, doing backgrounds and arranging. I was writing stuff and laying the demo, and most of the time he would keep my backgrounds that I laid down. That was on Usher's first album, and then Mary's My Life Album.

Rob Markman, So that's still publishing you get. Absolutely. Goddamn makes a noise. It's a big deal. Goddamn makes a noise. But go ahead. Go ahead.

Publishing in that after AFM, honey, with the background. But yeah, during this time I was negotiating my deal with Bad Boy Records. So by the time,

you know, Puff had his first photo shoot with his new artist, it ended up just being me, Big, and Craig Mack at the photo shoot. I don't even remember. I don't think Toto made it, right? It was just us three. And that's where me and Big first met. And he said he had seen me coming in and out the hip hop. Because back then, you know, Puff would have like the whole, every room, you know, somebody working on something different that he's, you know, facilitating. Big said he thought I was like a session singer, you know, because he saw me going in and out of sessions.

He didn't know I was an artist on the label. What does a session singer mean? Somebody that kind of just goes and gets paid to do backgrounds, which I kind of was getting paid to do that, but I wasn't there as a session singer. I was writing. I just was laying down the stuff that I wrote, you know what I mean? But that's double checks.

Hey! Rob Markman, Jr.: Got the up front and the back end. Rob Markman, Jr.: Okay, so you sing from the background, the vocals, you're writing. And how was that approach when they come to you and they say, we would like you to be an artist? Was you expecting that? That was something- No, you didn't hear me.

When I was at that first session with my daughter's father for Usher, and he needed someone to sing that part, as soon as I walked out the booth, he asked me, did I want to sign his new label? It's just that in the time of him working out my deal, he was also having me write and work on Usher and Mary's album before I actually got to working on my first project. Wow.

Yeah. So I was working on doing other things before I actually to working on my first project. Wow. Yeah. So I was, you know, working on doing other things before I actually started working on my first album. And because Puff really wasn't known at that time. He was known, but he wasn't like, he's not Puff. As an A&R. He was like the A&R dude. Yeah.

So what made you put your trust in him? Well, you know what? It's crazy because I knew nothing about the industry like that. Yeah, I had a few friends that, you know, kind of made it or got signed and became successful. But it's crazy because when I tell the story, I remember when I came on and he was like, you want to sign? I'm like, really? And he started writing down numbers like we've got to work out a deal right then. I'm like, hold up.

And it just so happens I have met this attorney who ended up being my first attorney in the industry. I met him when I was writing with this producer from Jersey. And immediately, I was like, I got a lawyer. Like, you better send that to him. I'm not about to work out a deal right now. But nonetheless, you know, it was cool. But it was like, on one hand, like, okay, I mean, you serious. But on the other hand, don't even play me.

Like, don't think I'm about to do that right here, right now, either. Don't get me wrong. It was, you know, it was all new to him, too. But, I mean, it was a great thing to be a part of. And when I talked to my lawyer, he was like, well, I mean, it ain't like I had nothing else on the table. I wasn't even out searching to get this type of thing. I'll be sure I kind of was, you know, dancing with the idea of getting me signed on his little imprint. But, you know, it wasn't something that I was, that's all I wanted to do.

I was like, whatever. If I can make some money and if I feel like it's going to work out. But, you know, it wasn't something that I was, that's all I wanted to do. I was like, whatever, if I can make some money, and if I feel like it's going to work out good, you know, maybe. But it was just something concrete. And it was, I heard a little buzz about him. And another sideboard to that story is sidebar. Misa, Justice's mother. Oh, the stylist. She was a stylist at that time, correct?

She used to come to my church. One of her cousins was best friends with my cousin in Jersey. So Misa used to visit my church, right? Listen, it's so crazy. I'm like 12, 11, and they knew she was like dating this guy, Puff Daddy. I think he was still in, you know, Howard or whatever. I don't know how old I was, but we knew that she was dating this Puff Daddy guy. I didn't know who he really was.

You know, fast forward five or eight years later, I didn't think, I never knew I was going to be signed to this man's label. So immediately she was kind of one of my first confidants, one of the first people that kind of really embraced me. Because we already were familiar with each other just from her seeing me sing in my church. So when I was like, oh my God, she's like Faith from New Jersey? Like I know her from my cousin's church, you know? That's my cousin too. So you know that's my cousin too so immediately like that's my cousin so we were always pretty close from my um entry into the actual business you know me and Misa so that's kind of how our relationship goes back but it

was very random I never you know it's full circle but you never know the plans that God has for you you know what was the first time that you got into the industry and you was disappointed? Because we're all lied to what we expect and what we're supposed to. And then when we finally realized it, it's like, it's a kick in your throat. So when was the

first time you got disappointed when you realized the industry that you're really in? Dang, that's a good question but quite a hard one. Dang, you know that you're really in? Dang, that's a good question, but quite a hard one, you know? Dang, you know who you're talking to? Pull the shit out of her, bitch. I got to think real hard on the first time. I'll tell you my first time.

I'll think about it. Okay, I'll tell you my first time. My first time was realizing that this was a business. I always thought that I could just trust my friend and trust whoever. And when I realized that I had to actually, like, read the contracts

and go over things and a person's word wasn't good, like, that was the first time I kicked myself in the ass and I was like, why am I here? Okay. You know what I mean? I can give, okay, you know what,

thank you, because that kind of helped me in a direction of where I can go because there's many things I could say. But I think one of my first subconscious disappointments whether I really was able to handle it or change it or express it or not probably seeing my percentage I got on stuff that I wrote on for other people right and but you know if you that's something I learned over the years how to really even understand and get clear on those splits you know I'm saying beforehand and all that stuff then you gotta factor in samples so it's like and it wasn't my project to begin with so i definitely wasn't the one choosing how much but i'm like i wrote a whole bridge and half

a hook and i'm like point oh oh oh like you know what i'm saying percent point zero zero six like you know but whatever but yeah something like that probably was my very initial disappointment but then i realized like whoa you didn't ask anybody what was that going to be in the first place or how you gonna rock that out so um let me ask you something like um when you when you hear when you hear brothers battling right it can't it can't sit right with you because you've seen an actual battle battle. Like you've seen the worst of the worst. So when you see brothers like battling on wax, what's the first thing you think of? Well, it depends on if it's something that is lyrically interesting to me or not.

Because sometimes I'll be having to catch up. Like, well, what are they beefing about? What's the song about? You know, who said what? And, you know, my kids or season, you know, and it might kind of keep me impressed. For example, how about like Nas and Jay? When you heard Nas and Jay was... I mean, I think it's okay when it's just

in the spirit of... Of competition. Right. I don't really, you know... Right. I don't ever judge people's creativity anyway as long as you ain't coming at me. That's my next question. Have you ever think, you ever think someone made a record coming at you?

Do I think? Well, I mean, specifically, I know. My ex-husband, God bless his dead, but big dead. And the thing is, in real life, he wasn't coming at me. We was just talking and laughing. Come on, come on, come on come on come on this is a fun fact that this is a you know that whole everything biggie and there's so many misconceptions but we laugh at certain things that only we kind of know are what do you mean

he said if they have twins she probably had two pops. Yeah, I mean, that's a famous line. I've got a couple things. Number one, listen. Number one, my son CJ, when I first found out I was pregnant, it was twins. Okay. Okay? By the time I was four months pregnant, there was like a disappearing twin, something they call disappearing twin syndrome. So the other, the other shit, you know what I'm talking about, didn't develop.

The other stat didn't develop. But Big and I never had, Big never questioned whether he, you know, I was pregnant by him. Later on, you know, because I was so livid and I just never even, you know, I just never addressed him until after CJ was born. I didn't even have to. He just was crying one day looking at CJ. My friend was so mad at him, my best friend who's my manager now and she cursed him out like I just I'm the type like it's like because if I go here I'm

like you know that's a girl to travel yeah documentary yeah back to Brooklyn and you said that you have big only to stay there together for two weeks I hate and you looked in the apartment you was was like, is that the same? Yeah, that's her, Cheryl. Wow, wow. You know her mom, Mary Flowers, that used to be the promoter at the Apollo. Oh, wow. That's her daughter, Cheryl Flowers. Wow. And you know, that was crazy because I see the documentary with UNC's, and y'all sat down and y'all was eating.

And y'all was talking about how this place, y'all used to go get this food. Country house. Country house. So what? So that was a spot in Brooklyn? Yeah, 24 hours. 24 hours. It don so much. So, what was... That was a spot in Brooklyn? Yeah, 24 hours. 24 hours. It don't close.

Wow. The whole point of that scene was that Big was mad greedy. Right. So, we always... Like she said, I be picking up 10 meals and it was four, y'all.

I was like, it was four for Big. Right, right. We stack up on wild shit. They used to give you shit on the house, you know what I'm saying? Right, right.

That's in Brooklyn, correct? These are the Habibis from around the way. You know what I mean? They gonna show love. Now, how does a New Jersey girl like just fit right into Brooklyn? Even though

Brick City is the Brooklyn of Jersey. It's worse than Brooklyn, though. It is the Brooklyn of Jersey. But how did, because when I see y'all, like, I'm not going to lie to you.

And of course, I'm an outsider looking in. But when I, I mean, even seeing y'all back then, when I see y'all, like, I'm not going to lie to you. And of course, I'm an outsider looking in. But when I'm, I mean, even seeing y'all back then, when I see y'all, it's like, it's like, it just goes together.

Like. I think even more so than how does a Jersey girl end up in Brooklyn because that's, there's sub stories to that. Big used to be, when we did meet and,

you know, I knew my way around Brooklyn already because I used to go to, Hezekiah Walker's church. In the dangerous times of Brooklyn. I'll be driving like a nurse. This ain't just about Brooklyn, y'all. She talking about real Brooklyn.

They're not having peace, you know. So I knew all of them. You're like, what you doing up in this, like, you know. Right. I'm like, I used to go to this rehearsal at this church, drive my homeboy to here. You know, I'm just. So I'm New Jersey Drive. That's my nickname.

Oh, shit. That's what they call me. But no, I think it's more how big and i bond it was like our senses of humor you know like they used to try they always joked on each other and he tried to bark on me and i'm quick on the comeback you know so i could beat bob we see you light up we see you light up yes though i'm on the front or back oh shit, shit. Damn, we are not. You got a back one, Tway? I'm going for you, Norman. Okay, then, Tway.

I'm going for you. I'm going for you. I'm going for you. So, look. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to just throw out some random songs. I want to know where your head was at, where your space was at when you recorded this, when you wrote it, whatever.

Well, there's only one of them. Obviously, I'm going to start. Yeah, yeah. What, are you going to smoke one? Yeah. I got you, brother. start yeah yeah wait for someone yeah last time I know when I listen back to that episode I was like there they said C's got smoke lest it so I'm gonna throw um I want to know where your head was at when you wrote. I remember the way you used to love me. Was that your very first record to the industry? That was my first single, but I believe that may have been. Or Mary?

No, no, no. It wasn't for Mary. This may have been the first or second song I actually recorded when I finally started working on my album. But the great thing, the story about that record, I remember when I got the hook. And Big was like this too. Sometimes you just, you ain't even want Puff to come to the session, because you just wanted to finish it. No shade, no.

Because you know he wanted to give his input, and a lot of times he was just like this is my finish you know before you told me what else to do or before you say what you think about it but I knew when I finished that hook I called him like come listen and he called almost everybody that was in any studio in the city to come and listen and so but at the time you know I was I'm super shy I'm so used to recording by myself. So when people staring at me and I had to kind of finish it, but everybody was like from Andre to Michael Bivens to this, like everybody just came through because he was like, yo, come listen to this joint, my new artist. So I kind of knew it was like the shit, like everybody came.

And this is big older people or this is pop? This is pop. This is pop. Me thinking I weren't, weren't in each other's sessions a whole lot. A lot of his stuff was recorded already by the time I came around. Okay. Who produced that record though? Chucky Thompson. Okay. Chucky Thompson.

And that was like your introduction to the- My head space was I was excited. It was like a way for me to mesh my church harmonies that I learned from the Clark sisters over a hot ass beat. You know what I'm saying? That's a classic record. Definitely. Back then I used to make stuff up off the top of my head.

Now I be thinking a lot harder about it, but it just came out right. It was meant to be that way. You had that summer too. I don't know if you remember. God damn it. No, I remember driving over the bridge in Brooklyn by myself when I first heard Flex dropping bombs and I'm just crying like, thank you, Jesus. For real, it's like Dios mio.

A lot of people don't understand or can't describe the first time you hear yourself on the radio. That got to be like equivalent to like busting your first nut. It has to. I mean, just be honest. I got to be real with that I'm such a sucker nowadays I heard the other day and they play one of my old Joyce I was like fuck that shit oh we just snuff me are you still I mean I that. Are you still a real... Well, I mean, it's different. You're a hip-hop artist.

But I mean, you know most of the time I'm hearing my classic stuff. So it's not like I expect to hear my independent records on the radio, to be quite honest. Unless it might be a satellite station that be like, I like this joint. But, you know, I hear my... I perform on my classic stuff. Because that's the shit that niggas know. That's what draws out the crowd. That shit still come on the radio in between hip hop shit. I don't know if you know, he got a Rock the Bell station. It's not an old school station.

It's not an old school station. It's a classic station. He put a bunch of shit on there. That shit is ill actually. Big you up, Al. I got invited to the party, to the launch party. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah. So that was dope, man. But I listen to the party, too, the launch party. Yeah, me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that was dope, man. But I listened to that station, though, you know. Yeah, nah, make him up. Yeah, no doubt. And I like to think we kind of inspired that with Drink Chance because Drink Chance, we honor people that have been in this game 10 years or more. You know, new guys, they got their own platform. You can go to, you know, the Hot 97s or the Power 105s.

We want to praise people who have time in this game. And, you know, usually when you have 10 years or more in this game, people want to kick you out. People want to call you old. And that's not what the fuck is happening. We're not going to allow that to happen. We are legends. Every other genre of music, they big them up after 10 years. We ain't going to allow this to happen in hip-hop.

You know what I'm saying? So y'all can clap for that. She said something right now. She said, because you're a hip-hop artist. And I feel like you're a hip-hop artist. Well, no, I didn't mean that. I was speaking specifically to him talking about hearing songs on the radio. Right, right.

Whereas my genre of music, yeah, there was a time, like he said, there was a time when the power stations were playing what you consider classic R&B artists. I wasn't considered that even all the way up until 2005, 2009. In the last 10 years, it's a huge shift, but I'm not really mad at that.

I'm getting played somewhere. My point was to, you're more likely to be hearing some rap stuff on a power station as opposed to my brand of R&B. Yeah, I kind of slide through because I got so many records. I was signed to one of the biggest movements in hip-hop music.

So, yeah, I kind of get that. And when you came out, it just had that hip-hop feel. Exactly. It was on the Clue Mix. There's a lot of hip-hop about my music. But I meant specifically him being a rapper. That's kind of what I meant. Right.

So what are you listening to now? If we go in the car right now, what are you listening to? Well, I'm so funny. I'm so old school. My iPod. I keep me a fresh iPod. If I lose an iPod That's not all the way true. But I kind of listen to classic stuff. Classic stuff. I mean, I do.

There's a lot of new artists that I appreciate. And, you know, there's always just some new fresh talent out there. I don't really. But, I mean, I know in heavy rotation, it's everything from, like, Earth, Wind & Fire to your Anita Baker to your Mamas & Papas, your Stevie Wonder's, your Shockers. Classic R&B. I listen to so much stuff but then I also listen

to a lot of gospel music I listen to a lot of jazz music because I studied and sang jazz too when I was in high school so you know I'm kind of a little

all across the board my kids tend to turn me on to the artists that are kind of like of the millennial generation if I don't already know who they are like 2 Cedar

don't remember the bands don't remember the millennial generation if i don't already know who they are That's it at all. It is a few of them that I'm super proud of. I got a few I like. What'd you listen to, TJ? CJ, he put him up on the list too. I've been listening to it. I'm fine. OK. No, TJ put me on the Chance the Rapper. OK. I started like Chance the Rapper. Somebody knew her son.

He put me on that. Anderson. And then Danny Glover's son too. No, it's not his son. It's this son. It's not his son, man. Donald Glover. It's not his son.

Oh, you're talking about Johnny now. Johnny's getting beat up. Johnny's getting beat up. That's Danny. That's Donald Glover's That's not his son. Oh, you talking about Charlie's Gambino. Charlie's Gambino. That's not his son. That's Donald Glover's son, man. Even on his Wikipedia it says, not his son. The nigga from Leave the Weapon. That is it. Leave the Weapon, man.

That nigga is his son. I'm sorry. I like him though. He's dope though. I like him too. He's dope. I like Tory, man. Tory Lanez is good.

Tory Lanez is good. Tory, you owe me that right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I like him though. He's dope though. He's dope. I like Tory Lanez. Tory Lanez is good. Tory Lanez is good. Tory, you owe me that record, god damn it.

Send that over. Tory Lanez is super dope. I mean, I listen to everything, but of course, I like all the classic shit. We got access to it now. We didn't have access to our shit before. Now, we on iTunes. We on YouTube. We listen to everything right now.

You know what I'm saying? As long as you can plug us up, we there. So, you know, I like to take advantage of listening to classic shit. Nothing like listening to the infamous Maul first album. Tell them what we just did the other day. I like to listen to classic shit. Let me tell you, that's a part of my workout. Like, I got my little, my workout mix

first of all includes all you just said. Right. Quiet Storm, Shook Mones, Super Thug. You should have given me the Doom Doom for that. Super Thug, you know what I'm saying? She's one of the homies, my nigga. That's why we been fucking around this long. That was all. I thought of another random song. All Night Long with Puff.

How did you come up with that one? Well, that song was inspired by a church song. I was kind of trying to think of a hook at first. Church all night? Well no, just the cadence. I was referring to like a church record in terms of the tempo and the cadence. How would I approach it? Okay. So it's a gospel record that kind of something like dance, you know, dance. When I think of what he's done, I could dance all night. So it kind of was inspired by that. We just kind of played around with the melodies and lyrics. Yeah, you just taught me something.

Yeah, I always kind of like, dang, you know, this beat might remind me of this, or what song has the same tempo that has a slick little cadence to it that I could kind of send my bite off of and make it my own. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.

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When I be writing, sometimes I'll be like, you know, when he approaches, like, you know, uh-uh in my timing, you know. The flow. She gave you some balls before? She gave you some balls? I know you from some way. I keep looking at you. Where do I know you from?

Drink Champs. Right. We never met? Probably got dropped from a mixtape. No, we've met. We've met. We've met in the past, yeah. That never met? I never forget a thing. No, we've met. We've met in the past, yeah. That's my guy right there. Okay.

Now, you got the ultimate 100% makeup song in the world. Whenever anybody is mad at anybody, they should always come back. Soon as I get home. I want to hear her version, though. I can't sing. I was on the, you know, horrible singer. But, you know, that's like the ultimate, like, when something goes wrong in a relationship, that record has to play when you're making up.

Do you know that? That, well, ironically enough, i was hoping when i wrote it it was in the spirit of okay because um you know big was already signed but by the time we got married and you know i got him to finally move out of his mom's house and we moved in together he went on the road immediately so we really didn't get a whole lot of time to really you know spend together and making our home you know i was kind of meeting up with him on the road immediately, so we really didn't get a whole lot of time to really, you know, spend together and making our home. You know, I was kind of meeting up with him on the road and still trying to get the house set up, still trying to work on my record.

So it was more from the perspective of this is something that I wish he would be saying to me. That was why, that was really everything. I was like, I wish he would be saying this to me, you know, sometimes. Yeah. God damn it, make some noise. was really every I was like I wish he would be saying this to me you know some yeah I mean that was really it was more like this is what I want him to be saying he I've told this story before. I know you don't listen to the old school R&B station. No, no. I'm joking. I'm joking. I mean, that was really the... It was more like, this is what I want him to be saying. He was going all the time.

Wow. So, it was like, damn, I'm trying my best to give you what you need. And this next one, this next one is pretty much self-explanatory. I'll be missing you, but you got a chance to work with 112 and Puff on that. How did that record come about? Obviously we know from the entirety of the Mize, but how was this concept even brought up? Tia Hilliard Well, after Big Pass, I didn't really want

to do anything. I had probably started recording my... I may have recorded one song on my second album, but I kind of shut down. I didn't really want to record. I refused to record at Daddy's house when I finally did start back recording. I was just like, fuck everybody, fuck everything, you know. But when Puff approached me with the idea to do this tribute, you know, he was like, I want it to be the biggest tribute record ever done. And none of this came in my mind about money and nothing it was more about like honoring big and he what he did say to make me want to you know go in the studio was I want um the proceeds to go to the kid to CJ and Tiana so that's really what made me do the record um we didn't have the song at

first the first time we went in to record what was meant to be that tribute, you know that song, I'm sure it's the O.J. It might be Harold Melvin in them. But, oh, I, oh, I miss you, miss you. That was like the loop they had. And that shit was so sad. Like it was just just we just all was in there we just cried like for three hours nobody came up with nothing and then i was like i can't do like we i don't think any of us like felt like we could do anything so the next day um maybe a day or two later when we came back to the studio they had that that loop with the police thing. Rob Markman, I was going to say, sting, but that's what police- It just felt different. You know, it was, it's like, you can hear where you can go lyrically or melodically

and express your pain, but it still felt like a rejoicing. We can celebrate what he is and what he is and was to us. You know what I'm saying? Like a gospel record. So that's what it ended up being like. Let's make it feel like that. I don't want it to feel so sad. I don't even know if I could sing a couple of bars on this other track.

I was just crying. Like,. So yeah, it just felt a lot more celebratory when we came in with the other track. Okay, so I'm going to ask you two more, then we're going to go into the generic joint. Love Like This. Where was you at? What was your mind state. Love Like This. Where was your mind state?

Love Like This, actually, I had just fallen in love with my second husband, Todd. My ex-husband, Todd. And this was post... I was still not wanting to work at Daddy's house, but I was into my second album. And I had fallen in love. So that's really what that song was about. And definitely not expectedly, I didn't expect that to be so soon after going through something, but I fell in love with him. And that's hard. I got a hot ass record. It's funny how it's such a classic. That's hard. I got a hot ass record.

It's funny how it's such a classic. I never knew that would be a record that I hit. You know people in certain countries think me and Fat Man Scoop is a duo. You know what I mean? Places I've never been. Who are they? They're great. So do you still enjoy the game i got i got one more um um song question but i'm gonna ask you mad questions but do you still she's in she's in i get a sense that you really still enjoy the game yes you know what because i um because i know how to um sustain you know and It's not so much I knew how to do it while it was being done, but I realized that God is going to always

sustain me. I'm here for a reason. Whatever it is, however many units, I've never measured my success on those type of things. You feel me? Because this all, I wouldn't say a fluke, but this was not my plan. I'm like, I know I can sing. I know I want to make money doing it. But I also knew you got a brain so you gotta go to college you got a full academic scholarship you know and shit happened but I'm just like I gotta figure it out

I'm a hustler I had my daughter when I was 19 academic scholarship I was in the resource room girl No academic nothing for me. You know what a research room? You got four students and two teachers. Four students and two teachers, man. It's rough in there. Why you don't see the breakfast club? That's like some detention shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was in detention in regular school. It's a fact. Big up Miss Ebanks. I just think so. I went too far. I went too far. I went too far. But because most people, I'll give you a great example. When Cameron and Jim Jones was beefing, right? Cam had went to, I believe, Angie Martinez. And he said, I don't know why Jim is mad, because he's playing with house money. To me, I thought, I sat back, I said, we all playing with house money. So you know what I'm saying?

Because the thing about it is we're not supposed to be where we're at. The level of success even if it's a this amount of success, even if it's this amount of success, the odds of us actually making it makes us all have house money. You know what I'm saying?

So, I always look at it and my father used to tell me say, look at a person for the positivity in them first before you look for anything else. So I just always look at it like the fact that we survived and we're doing things that we love. We're all blessed. Right.

Right. You know what I mean? I mean, back to your point. I definitely, I don't remember your word verbatim, but I definitely enjoy the game, so to speak. But I look at it like it's just a facet of my life. You know what I'm saying? I don't look at it. It's not, you know what I'm saying?

So much I don't take home with me. But it's like, damn, I got to kind of really sometimes take into perspective. You are someone who is popular to some people. You have some people with your music. But I don't walk out the house thinking that. Or just with that, you know what I you know I don't even expect that me? So why are we looking stupid? It's called humility. Not everybody has it.

Not everybody has that. But I mean, I'm appreciative for the blessings that I've gotten from it. But I know that I'm here for reasons other than my musical gift. You know what I'm saying? I've learned a lot and learned how to maneuver and how to kind of just be chill. You know, they always be telling me like, yo, you really taught me a lot about that. Because you just be like, you could be done. You be like be like no it's not even worth it you should do that you know it's more chestnut checkers you know what i'm saying you just gotta appreciate it could be worse you know what i'm saying that's the thing when you aim to be but we are something that we

never thought we could do i never thought i'd be a rapper my so i don't give a if i blew or not i appreciate where i went and where I'm at now. If I'm still relevant to somebody, still welcome to me to be able to do whatever, my nigga. I'll fuck with you. I'll listen to your shit. I'm cool with that. I'm good enough with that.

And at the end of the day, we'd really be happy. We'd be happy. And that's crazy that you guys are so optimistic with what you guys have dealt with, the handle you've dealt with, with what happened with Big and stuff. You guys are still just optimistic. I want to get into that, but I don't want to do that just yet. My bad, E. With the you know what you guys have dealt with the hand you were dealt with what happened with big and stuff I Want to do that just yet my bad II but I want to get into this

Wrecking um, this is another thing and when I think of this I think of my wife immediately I got an R moment on Jake Chapps. I got an R moment on Jake Chapps. I got an R moment on Jake Chapps. God damn it. God damn it, Jake Chapps. God damn it. This is good. Jake Chapps. So. This is what Jake Chapps brings out?

Yeah. Yeah, shit, God. This is me and Jake Chapps. I got a ring that's called Superdog, god damn it. How you gonna know about this R ring? With my name. But listen, what, how, what, what, what What was my name? What was your frame? What was you trying to... Obviously, you was emotional, but...

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You know. Okay, slash drink. You know. Okay, good story about that song. That song was actually written for J-Lo. I didn't write I Love You. I think I arranged it and kind of, you know, did my little harmony stuff that I, but it was written for J-Lo. Wait, you wrote it for J-Lo? No, it was written already. This was on my third, my last album on Bad Boy, Faithfully.

And, you know, it was one of the songs that Puff kind of gave me that was mostly written. I may have wrote a section on it, but it was for the most part already written. And it was for J-Lo. I don't know what happened. I don't know if this was after they wasn't together. I don't know. He was being petty.

But I heard the demo. And to be quite honest- He was saying petty. Just throw it out there. He was being petty. They broke up. He said, let me get my record back. Well, no.

I don't know. Her voice wasn't on it. I just know that it was original. Because when I don't know her voice wasn't on it I just know that it was because when I heard the demo I could totally hear it I could hear it as a J-Lo record you know what I mean

it's a pretty even though it's one of my more popular records and like a lot of the 35 and under dudes that be trying to holler at me I'm like

how the hell you know about me they be like I love you video like after my divorce like mad young dudes was trying to holler I'm like, how the hell you know about me? They be like, I love your video. Like, I was like, what? Like, after my divorce, like, mad young dudes was trying to holler. I'm like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's all a better deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, girl. Get it off. Get it off. Get it off. Yeah, girl. Hey, dude.

She get it too. She get it off. Right there. Ah. Yeah, yeah. But that was Riz Vidal, though. So I just kind. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. She can do it. But that was Riz Vidal, though. So I just kind of, I knew it was a hit record. It just was like, I had to definitely lay back me being so used to singing so soulful.

It's a real simple melody. So to be quite honest, it was one of the songs that took a little longer for me to record because I had to kind of lay back and sing it real pretty, just simple and pretty. And I think I took like three, four sessions just to like, you know, lay back. Like I got, I don't know, I'm doing too many. It feels too soulful. I needed to sound just real pretty. So, but people appreciate the record. Now, I heard you kind of allude to this earlier, but has there ever been a time where like, you know, your A&Rs, your executives were overbearing?

So you had to actually, I know you said you used to record by yourself a lot. Then you had to switch over. Was there a time you ever had to switch back over to where you've been like, yo, let me just keep a skeleton bunch? Because I'm just, because I'm being overwhelmed. I can't really, to be quite honest, other than on other people's records where I've been so much produced. You know, very few, far between Baby Phase when he did that single for me. But typically I kind of produce my own vocals. So I really kind of never had that problem. It was more talking about Puff, but I think that was just the excitement in the beginning.

He just wanted to be, you know, always it. And it was like, okay, we know you got a good opinion, but I don't think it's good about this. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not a stacker. You're not a harmonizer. Let me finish my harmonies before you tell me to change something, you know? So it was like, after a few sessions, I realized, don't even call him to come listen until you finish, you know? Okay, that's something you just said right to come listen until you finish, you know?

OK, that's something you just said right there. Because this is something that you just said, stacker and harmonies. Now, stacker is like doubling up? Yeah, stacking the vocal. Because how you double? Yeah, OK. In R&B, that's called a stacker.

Yeah. No, it's called stacking. Stacking. Yeah, you stack it in rap. It's double up. I call it a double up. It's more stacking. But in singing sense, it's stacking in a unison

with the same note. Harmony is when you add a different note and stack. It's more stacking, but in singing sense, it's stacking in a unison with the same note. Harmony is when you add a different note and stack. It creates like a fuller sound. Right, exactly. Okay, I got a good question for you. You ever wrote something for somebody, went to the studio, and they sounded like, all right,. You know she did.

You got the check. You got the check. You got the check. So you was like, uh. Well. Stack it again. Stack it, stack it, stack it. It's the Tiger Bowl time. It's the Tiger Bowl time.

It's okay. You don't want to lose your sauce. Don't worry about it. I don't want to lose my sauce. It's just the guys in this room. But to be honest, when I had that issue, lucky for me, it was just the fact that I was able to get it. I mean, I had people.

I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I had people. I mean, I have people. It's okay. No one is as sus. Don't worry about it. It's just a guy in his room. But to be honest, when I had that issue, lucky for me, it was post the era of auto-tuning

stuff. You know what I mean? Like, I may have said, can you do that one again? Because it's not quite often I work on other people's stuff. Like, in the beginning of my career, that was a little more part of my hustle before I had a deal. But, you know, sometimes I don't just have the time to just sit around write songs I'm usually working on something when I'm on a project I don't really just have songs to work on

for other people unless they really like I want you to work on my shit like that and it got to be you know something that's worth my time which is usually a dime are we doing Tiger Bone or should we go Sirach? Oh man, not the Tiger Bone. Let's bring back Tiger Bone. We gotta bring back Tiger Bone. But I mean, she is a lady. And it's not often.

I'm actually a boy. That we have a lady. Let me tell you something, that was actually sexist of me. I'm gonna take that back, it's Tiger Bone, that's right. We're not gonna tell you all day. Chill man, when you get something with a lady, they'll be straight. I'm about to take that back, it's Tiger Bone, that's right. We're not gonna tell you all day.

Chill man, when you get something with a lady, they'll be straight. I'm about to take that back, it's Tiger Bone, that's right. Chill man, when you get something with a lady, they'll be straight. I'm about to take that back, it's Tiger Bone, that's right. Chill man, when you get something with a lady, they'll be straight. I'm about to take that back, it's Tiger Bone, that's right. Chill man, when you get something with a lady, they'll be straight. I'm about to take that back, it as Tiger ball. That's right Me see y'all together and I don't mean to emotional, but it's like I know big cosigns that. No doubt, for sure.

Oh yeah. It's a certain feeling when your homeboy that you trust hangs out with the lady that you love and holding her down. There's a certain feeling that a man just likes that. It's just like your mom- But I hold them down too. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? that a man just likes that it's just like it's just like supernatural thing and we know he's it's only because of the spirit when you drove up I didn't even know that I was that Brooklyn and borrow all the homies' buckets

all the time. Like, yo, can I borrow your Mazda MP3? I got to go to Jersey. They be like, I got the who? I be like, I don't care. I just got to go to Jersey now. I'm not going to lie. This, I mean, you didn't have to take,

you didn't have to pour a big shot, but this is like. All right, come on, you ready? All right, let me show you. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. But this is like This is too Oh I wasn't ready for that. That was actually tasty man. That was spicy One of the one of the most illest souls I ever met in hip-hop. It's got no tag on it. One of the most purest souls I ever met in hip-hop was Big. I always see him smile. Speaking of Branson, I went to Branson one time.

Only two people I ever seen behind the counter at Branson is Redman and Big. Okay, well, Redman is who introduced me to Branson. And I'm who introduced Big to Branson. Oh, God. This is Branson history. Branson, at some point, we're going to need your ass up there. And Redman, please make it a great chance. That's how they knew about Branson, because I was going to Big George.

And Big was like, where you getting them George from? And I was like, Redman's knew about Branson because I was going to big jars and being in them was like, where you getting them jars from? And I was like, Redman's, Uptown Branson at the candy store. The candy store. The lollipops. Exactly. Strawberry lollipops. Those was hard. What's my man, man?

Eddie. Eddie. All about Pete. Eddie, man. Yeah, yeah. The candy, man. Eddie, and I forgot the other, the young one. I think it was Jay.

No, no, I forgot his name. But I know Eddie. Eddie, God bless the dead. Always dead. That's when we used to bar pass three, four in the morning out there. But before Eddie passed, that's when I knew that they had

some type of payola shit. It's because one of my homies had died from Queens and we went up there to get some bud. We had all the champagne and we brought all the champagne right in front of Branson. The police just drove by. They didn't say by. We smoked all the weed that we had.

Rob Markman You got to think about it, that spot was right around the corner, dog. The police station was right around the corner. Rob Markman The police station right there, the Chabert Bridge right there, the Bronx to the left, the Fish Store 145th and the St. Nick's right there to the right. Rob Markman Sometimes you come out there, you know what I'm saying? You come out there sometimes two in the? I still go there. Yeah, yeah. I still go there. There's a lot of people out there. You know what I'm saying?

You come out there sometimes 2 in the morning and it's 10, 15, 20 people out there. Go by weed and you sit there for an hour and just talk to Ed or Branson pull up on you. You'll be out there for two hours. You'll go inside and sit with him. Yeah, Branson. Yeah. Branson's probably the best. He used to catch you like that all the time.

And you'll sit with him all day because he'll give you a free job. Yep. And sit and talk to him for two hours. He'll give you a half an ounce to go home with. Yep. So, your relationship with Lil' Kim,

I see recently now it's prepared. Back then, how was it? Well, okay. I don't know if it's fair to say that there was ever

a full relationship ever built, but in the beginning, you know, I don't know if it's fair to say that there was ever a full relationship ever built. But in the beginning, you know, I even see pictures. I'm like, oh, damn, I remember that. Like, you know, I definitely, once I realized this is Big's artist who I've been hearing about, that's a part of the crew. Because I met the guys first. I think the first time I saw Kim was at the Big Papa video shoot. And I was like, who is that girl? And they was like, oh, that's Lil' Kim.

I had heard about her before. But I think by, you know, initially I was kind of trying to be cool with her. I mean, I think we were pretty cool. I see pictures where, you know, I had on her glasses, she had on mine. You know, I was kind of being cool with her because I knew that was Big's artist. But I didn't know anything about their involvement. You know, I didn't know they was in any kind of relationship. But I was new.

You know, I was new to their circle. So, I mean, I wouldn't have known their history. And, of course, he wasn't trying to tell me that shit. But when I found out, of course, it was like, damn, you know, like, damn, what the fuck? All this time, right? You know? But I can't say that, oh, she, you know, was some, oh, she's your friend. And then she, you know, it wasn't like that.

Or, you know, we didn't really build a relationship or have a history outside of me meeting her through knowing that she's his artist. And me already kind of being cool with the guys for a few months. And, you know, like, okay, let me, you know. He kind of said in the beginning, wanted me to kind of be around her. But I think that was just that dumb young shit. He realized, why the fuck did I do that oh that was dumb but now I mean

I think I mean just to be clear once Big passed away any ill feelings toward her you know went out the window for me her and anybody else you know it wasn't really anything to feel a way about. Right. But we didn't necessarily see each other and get to conversate. There may have been a time or two that I ran into her and kind of tried to say hi.

And she, you know, may not have been really ready to receive it. So it didn't go over so well. Because there is that story of you on tour, big on tour. You coming through, kicking the door, waving the fork. No, no, no. Whipping some chick ass. On tour. No on tour, you coming through, kicking the door, waving the fork. No, no, no. Whipping some chick ass. No, no, no. Not Kim, not Kim.

It's a bunch of stuff. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm saying. When I went to Virginia, yeah, that did happen. You talking about the scene in the movie. Yeah, that did happen. That's real deal. You whipped.

Shut up. You came through whipping ass. That's why I hang out with her to this day. How did you have to drop one big? How did you even... Okay, this is the test. That dumb young shit. Here you go.

I'm at home in New York. And he always... Well, you know, they had a show. And he will always hit me, you know, when he get to wherever they going, you know, just to holler, say, what's up? I'm just working on my album. I'm not, like, clocking you and all that. But he would always kind of check in. I got here, boom.

This particular time, just out of nowhere, he was like, yeah, so if you call my room, I'm letting Elle use my room tonight. And, like, why are you telling me that? I haven't called yet. You haven't not answered yet. You feel me? You telling too much. I'm like, what do you mean? And I know going well, that's a lie.

Like, you ain't about to give up your room and let somebody be in there. So just immediately, I'm like, you know, Cagney and Lacey. I was like, do, do, do, do, do, and calledagney and Lacey I was like Could you come watch China I already had my whole plan together and I made my flight I was like that's just a 30-minute flight me I already knew the wrong number because he told me it but he's like don't call my room cuz such-and-such gonna be using it What and I have a session. Are you kidding me? I booked that flight. It was in Edmonton. It was so close. You know how that is. I went, got the cab.

My homegirl came to keep my daughter. She's like, what are you talking about? I said, I'll be back on Gwinnett, Virginia. She didn't realize I was really coming right back. I got on the flight. It might have been a 7 a.m. flight. Landed about 8.30. Got to the hotel about 9, 9.30.

Boom, boom, boom boom boom boom you know but when i got to the hotel why i'm speaking and i see hawk the role manager he just happened to be he ain't see me though he checking out i see him i'm you know how in the cartoons i dipped around to the elevators get upstairs knocked on the door went straight to the door and they said who is and i said like housekeeper and the girl opened the door a little bit and i just kicked it in and just started going for broke and you fade at this time. Well, I had a record out, but you know. I had a gold single.

You could have got sued. I could have. Thank God it was, what year? 95. She didn't film it. They say Instagram. They don't say that. I was in the room say, I'm going to run around the hotel. Yeah, yeah. They all say that. I came in the room right when I was going to listen.

Oh, not Harvey Weinstein. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not Harvey Weinstein. What's it do with TMZ? Harvey. Harvey. Harvey.

Harvey. Harvey. Harvey. Harvey, yeah, my bad. I wasn't in. He came in. I came in the room. He.

I was out. Titty's out. He go. I was out. Faye just left on it then. I left and got on the next one. You sticking to the story? You still wasn't there? I wasn't in. No, Faye just left on in here. I left and got on the next one. You sticking to the story?

You still wasn't there? My nigga, I wasn't there. No, he wasn't anywhere. I knew what happened. Shorty was like this on the joint, like with the cover over her like, he like, yo, Faye just came in here, beat her. I'm like, what? It's not in the morning.

What the fuck is she doing? He's sitting there, no shirt on, like, my nigga, I'm dead ass serious. I'm like, nah. What's she at? I'm like, what's she at? I'm like, what's she at? I'm like, what's she at? I'm like, what's she at? I'm on, like, my nigga, I'm dead ass serious. I'm like, nah, who?

What's she at? I don't know. So you ain't talking, she just came in, 10 minutes, she just came in, you bad ass. And you went right back. I got on the next flight back to New York. I said, B.I., you hot? He said, nah, I'm about to go. Shorty was over there cuffed, like, yo. I said, yo, that's got to be the I said, B.I., you hot? He said, nah, buddy. Shorty was over there cuffed, but yo.

I said, that's got to be the realest shit ever. After that, he earned my... And it wasn't even about, it was more so like, don't fucking insult

my intelligence. I didn't even want to put hands on nobody. That wasn't my intention. That just happened in a moment, but it was like, son,

don't tell me no dumb shit like that. I can't let you just think that I'm stupid and I'm really believing that. Right. If she wouldn't have answered the door, she might not have got fucked up. And we would have just said, yeah, he could have blocked that.

You know? He could have blocked that. Just stick that in. He's like, get that. That's fucked up. Yeah, it was fucked up. It was fucked up. I felt bad for her after that because I'm like, look, yeah That's fucked up. Yeah, it was fucked up. It was fucked up. I felt bad for her after that because I was like,

look, and he had the nerve. I ain't even fucked. I was like, well, you should have, stupid. You should have. You should have just got fucked up. No. Real. You said that shit.

I didn't even focus. I'm like, you should have. I think he said that in the movie, too. Oh, my God. No, that was actually real situations. It was. That's the other shit about it. So, I'll ask Cee's.

This is the last time he was here with Jadakiss. I don't know. I'll have to ask you this. Did you watch the Unsolved thing? You know what? I haven't, but I've been hearing a lot about it, and I want to catch up on it. Because when people ask me about it, it's usually an opinion, so I can't have one since I haven't seen it. But certain things that I know when people, as a viewer, you don't necessarily always know okay this is the

story of the detective it doesn't mean it's not a true story but there's so many things going on but it's also something that has moved other things that may help us in a way so it's like you know i even though i haven't seen it there's you know things that kind of shift and people saying oh we heard that too like we know it is some of that too but that doesn't bring us to a conclusion to make them arrest somebody

and there's a Johnny Depp movie coming out too right right Miss Wallace actually played herself in that she did a little scene

I didn't even know that when we were out there yeah she did a little quick scene instead of them you know they had her just play herself

kind of meeting with the guy oh that's dope I didn't see that I didn't see that first one at first I didn't want to die yeah I just actually just watched it like like a month ago I just went doing like watch like the first one it's actually um it's really because you know in the hood we always say if we know, the police know. But we never had no proof of that until that. Everything that we kind of skeptical of or speculating from, it was the same thing that

they did. So, I kind of appreciated that from that. Obviously, I don't have as much invested into this as you guys. No, but what makes sense makes sense. You know what I mean? What makes sense makes sense. So, I'm sitting back and I'm like, a lot of this...

Some of this was just overwhelming. It was just over like... I don't believe that, you know, Puff had anything to do with the other side. Like, I just can't. I just can't. But other things that was involved in that i did believe like i did believe like the police knew i believe the police i'm gonna be

honest with you i believe the police gas the east coast west coast fake war more than we actually know well I believe. The media definitely did. Of course. They made up something that didn't really exist. It really wasn't that. They actually made it that, man. Certain things was happening at that time.

When you see all this stuff come around now, it makes you think back about certain things that came across. When we was in LA, the feds was actually following us. What the fuck? What the fuck was y'all that day? I was with us at the Soul Train Awards, but what happened this day? So you always be thinking

of all these different things because you don't know much. So a lot of times you hear about certain things. Right. We didn't hear stuff that year. We were like, oh shit, no one had that at all.

So damn, that's why that was there. And it took time. People, relationships changed. It's not surprising what you're saying because remember, years later we're finding out about all the stuff they were doing, the feds with the Black Panthers. Yeah, that's right. And how they were instigating beefs between them and then they had a whole program that was like undercover doing stuff.

Yeah. So that's exactly what they could have been doing in hip hop. I mean, it's kind of obvious they were. Here's the thing. I feel like they were able to, you know, to definitely heighten the fuel of the fire more. And not to mention some involvement in the sense of whatever their work they were doing with the Death Row organization. And that's not to, that's not me trying to sum it up and pin it on that, but I know there's clearly been this evidence and it's documented that there was involvement with the police and death row records or whatever. So whatever that is, but I think that just they were able to certainly, with the media as well, to heighten that shit and add to it.

And it may have helped them to cover up some other shit. Because it's just people, you know how that goes. Streetiggas gangsters you know i mean your shit is right you know what i mean don't get me wrong we've heard many times and it wasn't in court and it wasn't from the people that should be making an arrest who the person is that actually pulled the trigger and killed big and not so much that that mean that's true but I think we kind of got an idea that it's believable. But at the same time, you know, it's not up to us to...

We can't legally implicate anyone and we can't arrest anybody. So it's like, until that happens, you know, it don't matter. It don't matter what we think or what our conclusion based on all these things is. If the LAPD doesn't choose to hold somebody at fault for his murder.

Rob Markman, Jr.: Again, that's why I suggest you watch it because it's kind of their point of view. And it's like, we never seen that part. You know what I'm saying? Me again, obviously I met Big. I never got to meet Tupac at all. I actually had a record called L.A. L.A. Defending Big. I remember that.

I remember that. I was defending Big. And so, but I never got to meet Tupac. I never really got. And again, all I heard was rumors. All I heard was things. I remember me landing in LA after it happened and Def Jam or Tommy Boy, I forget what label I was on, as soon as I landed, they had police with me. And I was just like, what?

And they was like, yo, they was like, yo, listen, we're not taking no chances. Your insurance risk and all this crazy stuff. Rob Markman Y'all put it out there. Y'all was doing something we wasn't doing. Y'all was making the response records when we wasn't. Right. That's how thick it was because that's what the media made it. You know what I mean?

Because y'all wasn't speaking to us and we was telling y'all to do that. Nah. It was just a nah. Nah. We feel like this because they doing this. Right. Because that's what they was making it. You know what I mean?

You do a photo shoot for a magazine and they put it out and it say East Coast versus West Coast on the vibe. They was all feeding into it, making it something it wasn't. And nigga was just really just feeding off it. You know what I'm saying? And some of those journalists have apologized since then. Yeah. Because they realized.

Wow. That shit started a lot. You know what I mean? That shit started a lot of shit. Shit was really real. Like, you really couldn't go to certain places. No. It ain't like how it is today.

You know what the great shit? You know what the great shit? Let me just tell you something. Well, that's not the other day, but last year or whatever, I'm at my hotel and Tupac's movie came out. So in my hotel room package was tickets to the Tupac shit. Out here, the premiere? Rob Markman, No, this is in LA. This is in Westwood. remember when you was here with the King of the Kings. So I'm like, oh shit.

So I'm like, all right, cool. I had tickets already, so I walked in there and it was the first time, like I actually was the only East Coast dude. In a whole West Coast bar. You know how I hung out with Drakefather, my nigga? Drakefather said, what's up nigga? I said, hey nigga, I don't know who you with. He was an I got back to live in their world and they really we were really just confused motherfuckers.

Because the thing about, like, the thing about even, you know, New York, we separated. We established that on a, like, we're separatative, right? Meaning, like, let's say you're from Brick City. You're from Brooklyn or whatever. But I didn't realize that everywhere else kind of does the same thing, too. Yeah. Like, I was sitting there, and else kind of does the same thing too. Yeah. I was sitting there and there was gang dudes seeing each other and saying, what's up? Then they just walked the fucking way.

I was like, oh shit. I was like, that's pretty much what we were saying. Yo, what up Brooklyn nigga? Queens nigga, what up? I'm over there nigga, I see you over there. I said, oh shit. I was like, yo, and mind you, I'm the income. They ain't growing nothing because I'm the East Coast dude.

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we we was taught to think that we're different from them and they're different from us. When really it's the fucking same people. We just want a different accent. That's it. And we had to do so much shit over there. It was like, you know, like,

you know, that was your mentality back then. You really just didn't give a fuck. Like, I, you know, that was, that's a New York shit.

You know, we, we, we feel like we go anywhere. Like, man, fuck all that. Yeah, if you can survive.

I'm not going to go nowhere, act like I'm from there. If you can survive, I'll be square more. You can survive anywhere. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, let me take a few minutes real quick. I'm so sorry. Hold on. No, we're keeping going.

So you know, that's that's that's. So you set up, I don't want to knock shit down. So let's keep my light on. That's how I look at stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know. But one thing that I'm curious about is you and Big's relationship as both being artists. How is that dynamic?

How does that play out? Two people that are artists with careers of their own. How do you even have quality time to start with? We didn't think all of that out. We just met. We were both already artists. And it wasn't like we were full-fledged. Shit just happened so quick.

So I think the person that put more thought on that than us was Puff. Did he like the fact that y'all had a relationship? I could imagine on the business tip. He was surprised. He was like, I didn't even know y'all were dating. I think I remember telling him, I think he likes me. But, you know, it was a matter of like two months, six, you know, two months from us meeting to being married. So.

Yeah, that was cool. It wasn't seven days, like has been said. It was more like two months from us meeting and actually getting married. But, you know, I i remember being such a big deal it's so funny i'm like what the is the big deal everyone y'all told puff y'all like we had to make this big old meeting and announce it to puff bro you are quick do you have a catheter i'm trying i'm trying to keep the interview alive, brother. Goddamn. He just went and scattered everything.

I hold my shit until it's right at the tip. That's where the tip is. You're a better man than I am, bro. I'm trying to figure it out. Goddamn. I need a drink. You got a drink? Come on, Mr. Lee.

Open the next bottle. I need some more Tiger Bones. More Tiger Bones? No, I need more. I've been drinking white. I got the lady what she wants. Tiger Bone for Gary Coleman. I'm not going to lie. First off, hold on, hold on, hold on. They called me that all wants. Tiger bone for Gary Coleman. I'm not the lady that she wants.

First off, hold on, hold on, hold on. First off. Wait, is Gary filming that? We can hear you. First off, I don't think there's no other guest who requested a tiger bone. That's what I wanted. No, no, the big one, man.

Come on, help me out right now. Leave that there. That's the big. Come on. Let's not leave that. They're not there. That's not a big one pause There's three fucking great people over here Away so rest in peace. I didn't 2010 But my son was on FaceTime with different strokes Webster so loud though So college the backseat See, Webster, Manny Reynoso, Collins, Snippet, XTC. Two weeks ago. You still hung out with Callum. Well, cocaine has, Snippet.

Excuse me. Excuse me. Two weeks ago, they made Carlito was there. Has about to post a picture. In front of Nick's cannonball. Damn, I was fucked up on that just now, man. I feel bad about that. Gary Coleman, man.

I didn't know that. Nah, so, um, so you guys. Those sounds so disappointing, man. Yeah. But that was my guy. they compared me to him for a long time no he's he's like oh no he's still alive so listen there's quite a few people there's quite a few people who had the craziest run in the music industry. Bad Boy.

Had one of the craziest ones. At one point, if you didn't hear Puff... I think they had the longest run. If you didn't hear Puff, I like the Strange Adventure every now and then. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. That was your santeria.

You know, it's usually cream. I switch it to Benji. But y'all niggas had the illest run. Santaria Santaria Usually cream Usually cream I switch it to Benji But y'all niggas had the illest run Y'all tours, y'all dice games Must have been crazy Must have been like

Describe y'all first tour As a bad boy family together Let me tell you about mine It was two years ago What? Listen. What, the reunion tour? Okay, now hold on, hold on. Part of my backstory, part of that whole...

Okay, okay. But hold on, let me stop you. Now, you didn't go because of... You didn't go because of... They was on that bad boy tour. You want to know why? Because of Big's jealousy or you didn't go because... Me and Big was going through it, but on some other shit, you know, I still was about my money.

And our career shit was very separate, you know? Okay. And they wanted me to go on the tour of fucking Santa's promo. That mean free, my nigga. Right. You know what I'm saying? You can't get me. You can't get me.

You know? Stop laughing, stupid. Hey, Jesus. That was on. That was on. I respect that. That's the lyrics. You know the shot. Take a moment. Now I'm in. Now I'm in.

Take a moment. On the one hand, you're going to get it like da da da. I'm going to do shit. I was, okay, not only on the personal side, I had found out about Big and Kim. Big was already dating Charlie Baltimore Damn. I'm still here. I'm the shit. She's so good. Make some noise, everybody. That is a real woman. That's a real woman.

Go ahead. Go ahead. And I was doing shows, like, you know, getting like, I want to say at the time I had maybe two singles out, but I had a gold. My album might have even been gold, but I know I had two gold singles for sure. And maybe my album almost gold I'm getting paid like 7,500 just to do two songs three songs on the on the night you know maybe 75 10 g's like that was okay for me why am I gonna go on a tour for free and might have to fuck somebody up you know I mean like I don't want to even be this is

me trying to be very not around that shit because I don't want to do that. You trying to be grown. Right, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. You're trying to relax. Relax. Exactly.

That's what I'm trying to do. Exactly. Exactly. So I was like, hell no, I ain't doing that. And I went to LA because this producer was saying he wanted to pay me to write songs for his group. Which is who I was with in the club the night that I met Tupac when Tretch was with Tupac in the club. The infamous picture.

I was in LA because I was just trying to make money as a writer. Now this makes sense. Okay. And they was on the band tour. So Tupac was in the club with Tretch. Tretch is from Jersey. I know Tretch from Jersey. He used to be at Red House. So he was the one like, yo, my boy Tupac used to be a red house. So I'm like, you're my boy pop when I meet you. Dada da

I'm gonna be honest with you, right? Mm-hmm. I hadn't met you Bet you solo. I'll take my position for the bricks Oh met you the most lovable person who the last I met you in justice oh wow I met you in Justin's and um we were just there and I had smell like we and I knew like like the type of person you was so when I we visited the picture I was like that picture meeting you I knew that picture was... I'm cool, though. I'm cool with everybody. And that's not to excuse the fact that in hindsight... Yeah, I did. I did. We were just on everything, just talking about this last night.

But it's like, nigga, you know me. I told Big I met Pac. I would avoid Big's calls sometimes to that producer's house that I was working with. Just all my little bullshit. We did dumb shit. But then this time, I took it. I was happy to tell him because I knew like they did not want to believe that I didn't know Pac but I knew what he said about him how he felt about him right and so when he even had an inkling of like at that time it wasn't confirmed like he really felt like that

but it was little shit it wasn't no social you know what I mean right like I don't know if it was even so much direct shit at the time it wasn. That article wasn't out, so I was happy. Like, yo, I met your boy Pac, and he told me he liked my music and wanted to do a song with me. I'm thinking, you know, Big was, he ain't say don't do it. He was like, you want to do it? I was like, yeah. I gave him Mark's number, told him how much it was going to be.

We see Mark Pitts. Yeah, he was Big's manager, so after a certain point, I let him be my manager because I didn't have a manager when I got signed. But, you know, it wasn't something that I was hiding. That's the point I'm making. And my point was that Big would have said, don't do it. Because we know Big wasn't on guard. And he probably was a little confused.

Like, I don't think that's true. Because there's no way he could think that. But you understood how he tried to use you as a casualty at the wall. Absolutely. And not only him, but the thing is, at that time, I didn't even know the bigger situation. When I went to the studio with Pop, I didn't know he was signed to Death Row. I was on stage with Pop at that Source Awards when Suge said that.

Wow. I was there on stage, but I didn't know what he was talking about. I had on like a champagne-colored silk suit, Chris Webber, me and Pug. I was clapping. I didn't know what was going on. I was confused and clapping. I didn't know what was going on. And even when I went in the studio, until I walked in the studio, I didn't know Pac was signed to Death Row.

I immediately was like, oh shit. I knew all the people from just whatever I seen in the media. I saw probably, I don't remember, maybe Danny Boy Corrupt. Corrupt. The Dogtown. Corrupt was there. You know what I mean? But I just started being the cool person I am, smoking with everybody, you know.

Yep. I'm going to get this hook done. But I felt a little weird because I just didn't know he was on Death Row. Right. And I knew that this guy who runs this label had just said some shit about the person that runs my label. Right. Even though I didn't know where it was coming from. Mm-hmm.

And I didn't know where it was coming from for even years after, even for a few years after that, you know? Wow. Like, there's a whole back story to all that that has nothing to do with Big or Tupac. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. Wow. That's ill.

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were there was an article and this is prior to I mean this is after me going in the studio with Tupac but again there was no that record never came out right I don't know I've heard it before but I don't know I don't know whether it was just it's online but I don't know if it was on the actual death row release or something like that that's probably not well it was never approved something there got cleared I think they put it out with the girl Jewel singing it okay but do you want to know the irony you you know what the song was called right right? Wonder why I didn't call you bitch. Right, imagine. That record?

Yeah, yeah, I heard that record. Imagine how I felt, you know what I'm saying, like, and this is what I'm singing right now, in the moment of me like,

oh, this nigga's on death row, like, you know what I'm saying? Right. Like, it was weird, but I still wasn't

100% clear on what was going to happen next until I didn't ever get my motherfucking check. So to your knowledge, prior to that, Big and Pop were good. Well, again, I never met Pop, but let me take you back before that to the Quad Studio night, which is another story that has been, you know, differently purported. But I remember I wasn't there, but I was at our apartment in Brooklyn.

And Big called me, boo-hoo, crying after that shit happened. And telling me, I'm going to Bellevue to check on Pop. You feel me? So whether anybody ever said that, but I know that. Well, I knew before that. I knew he would never, that wasn't something he would do. I spoke to them, too. They used to be with me all day.

Like, oh, my God, all I know is da we ran upstairs and and the next thing you know you know i think it may not have been right away but you know by the time it got to public consumption it wasn't more than a week later that people were saying that he said that or he obviously did say it that he said they had something to do with it, but I knew that wasn't the case. Like, he did call me crying, going to check on him. Wow. That wasn't fake. He didn't have to call me.

He was like, oh my God, this just happened, season him, and da, da, da. I'm going to go check on my man, make sure he all right. You know, and then he came home later, but, you know, he still kind of wanted to think

that their relationship was a little more genuine than what he was hearing. With the media. Other than what, obviously, Pop had shifted for whatever reason, you know, his feelings about Big, you know? Right.

They was young. It was a battery in their back. You know what I'm saying? Yep. If they would have met with each other, that shit would have been bad. Yeah, I think he definitely always was thinking they would one day work it out. You know what I'm saying? Wasn't there that story that y' met with each other, that shit would have been bad. Yeah, I think he definitely always was thinking they would one day work it out.

You know what I'm saying? Wasn't there that story that y'all saw each other at awards shows? I just saw, yeah. And it was like peace for that moment? Nah, nah. We weren't at peace at all. I thought that he said something else. That wasn't the part we know.

Like, Babe was looking like he couldn't believe that dude was buggering like that. That he was doing that. But, you know, he was with Suge. You know, Suge, like, everybody know that. Suge was putting a battery in his back, had him, you know, doing that type of shit because he had a personal situation with Puff. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we didn't know about that. Or, you know, that shit don't come around until you hear rumors about that shit.

But it was some personal shit with them that trickled down to B.I. and Pac situation. You know what I'm saying? Pac didn't want to do that. but they bailed him out of jail. And he came out and, you know, his loyalty was to that. You can't knock him for that. You know what I'm saying? Our loyalty was to us big. It is what it is.

There's no other reason for me to dislike that man. We didn't like him because he was going against my man. That's my boss. That's my brother. You know what I'm saying? And that's just how it was. And that wasn't really who Pac was. We hung out with him before.

And that's why Big didn't respond and do these things. You know what I'm saying? So it's supposed to go to that level. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Big, that's why he never made a response. That's why he didn't even feed into the shit that went down with the picture with her and him. He knew who he was. And he knew her first and foremost.

You know what I'm saying? But it wasn't nothing to really trip about. You know what I mean? Because how old was you? Because you're like the first person. They used you. No, but publicly that people knew of of there's other people in that little of course picture that you know it hasn't been oh this is this and that but yeah i think in terms of

like being um you know kind of publicly judged in regard to a situation and making it seem like it was a my situation is way more than it was. You stayed classy too. You could have. I tried but you know don't get me wrong. I was real mad at first because I was like my lawyer I called my lawyer like can I sue them for saying once I started hearing they saying this and he

was like I mean come on like you know like you're going to sue somebody for saying something about it. You know that old and I was just like thinking of this could get really ugly like you know I ain't about to you know like you're gonna sue somebody for saying something about it you know that old and i was just like thinking of big like yo this could get really ugly like i you know i ain't about to you know not even knowing that the shit is way bigger than somebody saying something about you you know what i mean i didn't know the whole full story but i knew that shit was wrong but i figured after a while i was like excuse me you know what i know what it is god knows what it is and the only person i was concerned about initially was really big and talking to big,

you know, which I never really got to do. Because back to that scene, when you say he came and he heard about it, that was really what you started talking about. Exactly. That happened, you know? He was like, what the fuck? And I'm like, you're bugging. But I think it was more so him hearing about the bigger situation.

And this is the picture or this is after Hit Em Up came out? No, this is before Hit Em Up. This is before Hit Em Up. Or an article. It was an article saying that I traded him in my wedding ring. Yeah, the picture was one thing, but there was an article with Suge and Tupac

and Suge was like, I traded him in my wedding ring and took him shopping, bought him a bunch, I bought him the outfit he had on in the magazine. Rob Markman, Oh, that was MTV. That was MTV, California Love. Rob Markman, Oh, I don't know what it was, but it was also an article that they were talking about the same stuff. So you're right, it might have been a video somewhere too. But it was just, when I heard about it and then being kind of was right after me coming back from LA experiencing that session with him and like him kind of breaking on me saying I gotta suck his dick to get my check

I'm not going to rehash it in that sense because I keep like yeah I've talked about it and I don't you know but yeah it's things happen in a different way where I was like this isn't what I signed up talked about it. And I don't, you know. But yeah, things happen in a different way where I was like, this isn't what I signed up for. So, you know, and I don't want to do that because I've seen another interview. I'm like, why did I end up talking about it again? You know, I talked about it in my book. And I ain't really trying to like shit on his legacy. You know what I'm saying?

So to speak, in terms of just my personal experience. But, you know, I know that, you know, the way I just feel like it was it was definitely some other weird influence. Like I didn't I didn't feel comfortable around him on the strength of knowing anything other than the fact that Big really fucked with him. That's what I can say. You feel what I'm saying? That's the saddest part of the whole situation. You feel me? That's the only reason I was like and I was happy.'s why i was happy to tell big yo i met your boy pop if i'm if i'm trying to fuck with this nigga why am i gonna tell you my husband who's definitely

about to not trying to see me with no other nigga you know what i'm saying like biggie you know which is why i was so offended when he was having her to be out with like nigga why you don't fucking kill me if I was trying to... You know what I mean? So it was just weird. It was just all very quick and it was just weird. I think the fact that when I kind of used you, I think that went against everybody from then on out.

Now, when Jay tried to pull the same thing, it backfired on Ethan. Just now, Drake tried to do the same thing and it backfired on him. Rob Markman Because those cheap shots, you're not supposed to do that. Certain things, if you're a real guy, you don't involve other people, my nigga. My situation is with you. That's why Big didn't, I'm not going to respond. I think that was an easy one, though.

That was an easy one because I did go in the studio. Whether people understand the fact that I just didn't know certain, you know, I ain't looking for no sympathy, but I know what it really was. Yeah. Y'all to get money. Like, it ought to be 20 Gs. It's okay. I wasn't tripping off of no getting back at big. I'm trying to make money, and I don't want to fuck a bitch up every day for free.

I'm just saying. On that tour over there. It's crazy you mentioned Jay and Nas, because I was thinking when we were talking about all this, how they were able to resolve their shit. And look how they grew together in a sense that, you know, businessmen. I think Biggie Pop did that. That's what I could just imagine. You know, imagine what that could have been.

What they could have done for Hip Hop United. It would have been crazy. But they opened up the door to, that's what hip hop is about now. When we talk about getting it right and getting it straight and getting it on the right path that's the example we use you know when these rappers out here beefing today and doing all this ratchet putting guns on not go down that right you're my nigga why you beat you seen what happened but unfortunately it doesn't seem like today sometimes yeah like i feel like that this generation feels disconnected from that generation they're like that's some some shit. They do that on purpose.

They don't want to feel disconnected because they don't want to feel led. Right. They don't want to. Yeah. And people don't know the spirit of all of those things. You know, we just had a conversation that kind of enlightened whoever may not have known about that. And they might be like, oh, damn, it was actually a whole spirit in the core of, you know, the big and pox relationship. Fuck what became of it. And what the you know the big and pox relationship fuck what it became of it and

what the you know what i mean there was some type of real spirit inside of that in the beginning you know so i think a lot of people that in terms of speaking on based on that story alone are that example they don't really understand that it's more just a beef they don't really understand like what we just talked about the whole story like it's really it's shit that goes on it's a history behind it to be he ain want to believe none of that. All these movies and documentaries being made. I witnessed that myself. I remember me making LA LA the record to defend Big and bringing it to Big.

Yeah, and be out. And Big saying, nah, no. Don't put it out. He ain't doing that. He saying that because he genuinely cared, but like, yo, my nigga, I feel you and I love you for that. Which is mad mature of him. I don't think he gets who he's like for that.

What angels need to be that mature? He was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. He's saying that because he genuinely cared, but like, yo, my nigga, I feel you and I love you for that, but chill. I don't think he gets too much hype for that. What age does he need to be that mature? He died at 24.

He died at 24, so just imagine. He was mature because he saw the ending when I couldn't even picture it. He was like, nah, we're not going to diss them because they accused me of something I ain't do, Nori. And I'm like, nah, B.I., this is how we used to see them. This is how they approaching us. Like, nah. I'm like, nah, what's that? We're from New York. Nah. I can't have that. So I made a record. I've never been to L.A. before in my life.

Wow. At that time, I made L.A., L.A., I did a diss record. You already had that in your head, like, man, fuck it, I got to go back there now. This is our mentality, the 90s mentality. Today, kids do that just now for rec. Put me on the ground, come on, we're going to pull up. We didn't have that, my nigga. It was straight manual, stick shift in my life.

Everything is automatic right now. You can cheat. It was stick shift in our era, my nigga. You had to learn how to adapt at that point. You could go to a club and not knowing that the enemy's going to pull up right there 20 feet. Ain't no texting. You can't-

You can investigate the social media. You're not sitting there. Yeah. So, you know, that's how we came. That's the era of that. This game is so like- On the flip side, I'm kind of happy ain't nobody catch know, pulling up Catching Rec on nobody's video on social media. There's no social media.

That's right about that. But imagine, imagine. You know, we used to, you know, you never know. Some days when you had to sit around 50 Left Rec guys, and then I've got 90 niggas from Queens, and then you got 90 in there like, yo, my nigga. No body service. No star foods. No table seating. No, nigga. Ease around, nigga.

Get to the ball. Yo. Yo. My nigga. No bitches, man. Come in there with 10 bitches. 40 niggas. Straight up.

40 dirty niggas. Yo, dog. My nigga. 3X. You a 1X. You a large. You a big. You a big.'m talking about. You know, like, yo, dog, my nigga. 3X.

You a 1X. You a large. You a 3X. Let's be clear. I love Raekwon. Shout out to Raekwon. They met the man. Of course, my nigga.

They clean niggas. No. We was young, dirty, little fucked up niggas back in the days. I see footage of him. I had the giant shit on for like eight months. That shit is in every show. You should just wake up and put it on the side of your bed. What that shit at?

Definitely not taking none to the cleaners. This is the thing, come on, my baby. We be making album covers and the shit that you just, we have stylists. Nowadays, people bring you your shoes, your shirt, your shit lined up. Back in the days, man, your man going to iron the shit for you, man. The back of the shoes out. Riverbend cut the back of the shoes out. What was that part of the movie where he had two size 13s?

That's what I just said. The two left? They had the gators, right? And, you know, they was a 12. He went 13s. But, you know, they probably went a little smaller in the gator joint. And the shits was too tight. And they ain't had no other options.

He cut the back of the shoes and basically made them slides. He cut the back of the gators. And he did his own thing and performed on the source of what's like. But you couldn't see because the pants was long. That nigga made them some fucking sliders and cut the whole back out. And he did Soul Train on the back of the shoes. That was it.

He shit them feet. Like slippers. Cut the shit off in the back. It's too tight. He didn't move too much. He made the custom joints. That's it. Be outgrind that shit out, man. So is Faith gonna make your

own movie I'm actually working on it yeah you said They don't know that part of me. Because you know why? I mean, I mean... She's like, what we're talking about? I'll tell you why. That's all we're talking about. I'll tell you why. Because when I see the Death Row movie and I see Miss L.A., right? Even though Miss L.A., it didn't co-incide you know what what nwa movie did but

it also was their part it was part of the story i didn't respect it i didn't understand it but then from you as a person who is it very straight and give you my very fordham university and and true at the same time okay i am working on a biopic but it's actually a companion to my new york times best-selling biography called keep the faith okay so i wrote a book available now available now answer to biggie's movie and it's the funny shit about that is um when i wrote my book the publishers put it out. And, you know, I knew about Miss Wallace and them doing the Notorious movie, but it wasn't like I was actively a part of, you know.

Yeah, I went with CJ Phillips part and, you know, you got to sign for your life rights. But it wasn't like I was. But when they decided to put it out, it was kind of around the time that they wanted to put out. I mean, that the Notorious movie was coming out. And that was never my plan when I decided to write a memoir. You feel me? So I kind of felt weird. Like, I don't want people to think I'm trying to piggyback. So that's why I didn't ever really go on a book tour.

I didn't promote my book because I felt I couldn't get them to change the date. It might have been like a month or a few weeks, you know, later than the movie. But I just felt strange. I was like, people are going to clearly think that. you don't want to see me with piggybacking right and that's why i decided to do the book because i was pregnant and refused to do a record with the label i was on at the time you know that's the only reason i did it and the guy was like asking me for years to write a book and i'm like okay that's a cool little couple hundred thousand you know and um that's why i did it but when it decided to be when they decided to release

it just so happens notorious movie was coming out a month or two before and i was just like it feels weird but they was like well that's not what we're basing our release on this is in the book world and this is the window you know how that go yeah you know like on the whatever day of the week they put out albums or you know um so that's why i really heavily see my book would have been so now you're saying that but it's one of them called baby down my book you say you base in a film movie is supposedly based off of my book loosely based on my book cuz my book kind of ended at me leaving bad boy but I got married after that I had another kid after that so there's things that's happened in my

life so obviously I'm gonna you know try and put some of those things in there but it's kind of based on my book which is my story but my story isn't based on me and big's relationship even though that's the most sensational part of it and there's a huge part of my life and an important part of my life but you know there's shit that happened before that yeah i used to get my ass beat for sneaking out the window to go to somebody's studio that I didn't even know I was going to be a recording artist. So, you know. What? I used to fuck mad niggas when I was little.

That's why dick don't really do shit for me now. Like, your dick don't really do shit for me now. I didn't expect that. I didn't expect that. No. No, not like that. Wait, wait. That's not my song.

I don't know how you wanted it to come out. How do you want that to come out? Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Shit. Wait, hold on. Wait. I got to start again.

Damn it, Wes. Oh, my God. Dang, that's the best Tiger moment we've ever had on the show. In one episode. I mean when I was like, yeah, bro, 15, 15, 17. I was pretty promiscuous. It was just like, oh, I like him. You know, I think I'm gonna fit in. You like your headphones? So that's why, as an adult, I'm like, it's not too much. You know, that doesn't mean you want to cut to me.

You don't need it. You can hear this. Listen. I don't want to hear this shit. I don't care. You're gonna feel it too bad. It's gonna be louder. Yo! I'm like, it's really good.

You're gonna get it on my homeboy. Boy, a little shout out to Tiger. That's it. I already took that the wrong way. Stop! You said it the wrong way! I did, I did. But you have every right to say it.

Why not? I corrected it. Did I correct it? Yes! Nobody wants to hear my correction. Let's go. Why you can't say that, though? You can say that.

That's what you can't say. Well, I did. What the fuck you want to say, girl? It came out like that's what I wanted. It's shocking us. No. No. I was maneuvering Tiger bone We didn't expect that Only point I was trying to make is that That has never been something that has driven me We was just talking about how people like

You know certain people be coming on to him When we be out and I'm like oh my god Why she think you don't You don't have a label so she wants to fuck you Because she thinks she gonna be on But we know that's kind of like how this culture is a lot, but I'm like I got that out I do, I do. I'm trying to get my shit down, man.

I think that was awesome. Don't tell my mother. Don't worry, we won't tell her. Hopefully she's not watching. This is why I hang out with you. This is why I, you know. We're gonna shout at you. I got some champagne here.

You cannot take champagne with Tiger Ball. Come on, Gary. That's a lot. You cannot take champagne with Tiger Ball. I need another one of water. Come on, Gary. Because Tiger Ball. You got it. You got Tiger Ball. That's the last shot. That's the last one.

I got one. This is for fake. I'm taking this one for the brick. This is for the brick. This is for that last one. That last one was hard. I'll take one for that. Oh my God.

I said I don't want no more of that. I don't want no more of that. Oh shit. That's terrible. Y'all take one more. I'll do it. I will. What the hell? What the hell? Wow Just not check it. Wow. Yo, let me tell you something. I've actually never got this text before in my life. What happened?

What happened? Especially for the last two and a half years. Elliot Wilson just texted me and said, good interview with Push. Nice. You guys were focused. We were focused. You know what? I don't think we were any more focused than we've ever been.

I just think... Well, you know... Sometimes... I agree with you, but I have to say, you know, I would like to thank Elliot Wilson for recognizing that. No, that's great.

That's awesome. I'll big you up, YN. And I will also, because I did take that part of BDOT. When BDOT... You did mention that, yeah. Yeah, because so many people were like, Pusha did this phenomenal body of work, went out here, and everybody's asking him about Drake.

Like, fuck that. Let's just them about Drake right fuck that let's talk about your body at work so I'm just sorry just have a up like that. I'm sorry for anything that people... Because honestly, I know I get... I mean, I'm comfortable. And this is me all the time. But I forgot the cameras was there sometimes. No, no, no. For that 1.5 seconds.

I would have said that shit to y'all if I was rolling y'all. I know. No, no, no. You didn't stutter. No didn't stutter at all. No, but that's why. Yo, I be like, yo, nigga, duh. He be like, yo, you just stunned me real quick. Like, nah.

I be like, yo, nigga, come on, yo. No, but that's why, like, I always defended you with that. With the picture. It was because I know you, like, and I know, like, you're a lovable person. That's just your energy. That's just your energy. Your energy is just like. I kid you not, I met you in Justin's one day and I stood

there and I gave you a hug or something. You know how people are like, I'm Spanish so when we drink we kiss you on the side of your cheek and I guess you must have smelled Muslim oil and marijuana. He was like, nigga you got marijuana? And I was like, what did I just say?

Marijuana? Marijuana. Hashtag marijuana. That came out wrong. Maro-Wita? And I was like, what did I just say? Maro-Wita? Maro-Wita? I just made that up. I just made that up. Hashtag Maro-Wita. That came out wrong. It came out wrong. You know what I mean.

You know what I mean. He said Maro-Wita. He said that in his own shit up. And I was like, yo, you know, I got you. And we came outside. We probably smoked. We came outside, smoked, and you were so lovable. And I was just like, and it made me think back on that picture.

I said, that shit, it has nothing to do with us. He was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was like, you know what I mean. I was just like and it made me think back on that picture I said that shit it has nothing to do with us he was me so that happened in the street nobody situation ain't nothing to me

plus it was a female to we not look it's funny cuz that picture was the very first time I met him you swear with some? Somebody made a scene, the picture, and thought. We had hung out several times. That's the first time I met him, only because Chuck said, hey, Tupac want to meet you. And you know why you looked a little high? You looked a little high. I was definitely high.

Definitely. You smoked. Yeah, we could see. She was probably going to say, I didn't do that. You know what I'm saying? So I know that. And I think I was holding up the mafia, wasn't I? Didn't I do the mafia stuff?

I feel like I did. It was high, but it might have been like to the side. Lean it. It was lean it. It was supposed to be a... So let me ask you something. Is there anything, if you could do over in this game, what would be the one thing that you would want to do over?

That's an unfair question to say. One thing you'll want to be... Because I did a song and it goes... And it's kind of a general... Why are you laughing? Because you're about to go into your shit. Yeah, I know. She's just

throwing shit off the head. I don't know what's coming. You know I'm quick on my feet. Yeah, you're quick on your feet. Nah, nah, nah. But you know, it's like, okay, in 2005 I came out with my album on Capitol. That was my first deal after I left Bad Boy. Just so happen I got arrested with my ex-husband. And niggas was saying I was a blackhead. Damn, together?

Not quite. See what I said. What? Nothing. No, go ahead. Say what you said. Anyway. I'm about to go hang out with Lee.

Shit getting crazy. I'm not even going to go there. Nonetheless, I came out with my album on my new label after leaving Bad Boy. I'm not even going to go there. Nonetheless, I came out with my album on my new label after leaving Bad Boy and it was like, okay, this is the first record you got, but you just got arrested even though your arrest was a little purported. Anyway, people were basically saying I had to be in rehab for crack. It was like some real bullshit.

Like, anyway, the real story, I picked my husband up from the airport. They checked his luggage. They found a cigarette case with a joint. And, you know, something that they said was either ecstasy or cocaine, but they never sent to a lab. But I happened to be the driver, and I happened to be the one that was a famous person. And he happened to not say, hey, that was was just mine so I happen to have to go down and it's all good because you know anyway I still gotta be the one to get both of us out so why not anyway point I'm making this. And they just rock it. And

I was like, I got this deal. You know, I got it. This is my first thing. So the hook goes, if I had to do it all again, I wouldn't take away the rain. Cause I know it made me who I am. So basically

a lot of shit happened. That's the one key. I am so basically So much stuff that yeah had I known and I would but I'm'm really not mad because even sometimes I be like, people think that I'm this, like, gangster. I guess I am in the way of, I don't like nobody to play me, but I'm not like some bitch that like to fight and like, all my cousins, like, all my life. No, my cousins fought and swam with me all my life. Like, my grandmother raised 150 foster kids. So I never was a fighter in terms of I want to fight. But I was in the industry as a, that was a new thing. And I'm from the church.

I just said, I ain't never wonder why you think shit was sweet. So I kind of had some extra life. I feel like you were snuffing bitches and saying, I'm from the church. I ain't saying nothing. I ain't saying nothing. I feel like you were snuffin bitches and saying I'm from the church The fact that people think that way of me because I'm such a I'm saying the fact that I'm just cool. I really actually meet people, help people like, Oh shit, let me connect you. I don't want to know. I don't want to be your nothing. Don't you? I want you, man. I'm no, I will connect you with them. I don't want no nothing from it. I don't want that.

I just, you know, let me help you out in whatever way I can, but I'm not that person. You know what I'm saying? I got kids to work out about my 11-year-old is on the autism spectrum. So my energy has to go

into a more productive place, a more progressive place. So, you know, but then I'll be like, I ain't kind of mad that they know don't fuck with me though because shit is not sweet either though. But then I be like, I ain't kind of mad that they know don't fuck with me though, cuz.

That shit is not sweet either though. So what shit would I be- And I will call my motherfucking cousins from 11 Grumman Avenue. And I will call my niggas from Brooklyn. And we'll be like, No, don't know what you're gonna call them. I didn't mean that, man. That was you on the 100th. Mad thing.

I didn't mean that with a gun. I just mean like, oh no, it means like without weapons. We don't be got no weapons. Shoot Tiger mode after. We don't be got no weapons. There was only one. Only one. So what's it?

I'm gonna have another one. I'm gonna have another one. Oh no. Gun? Oh, we talking about children. What we talking about, another what? Another shot of Tiger. Oh, I'm in. I'm gonna have another one. What? Gun? No. Oh, we talking about children. What we talking about? Another what? Another shot of Tiger.

Oh, man. You guys are ridiculous right now, man. I'm gonna take my membership here. I gotta go pee-pee. I gotta go pee-pee. So let me go first. All right. You know I'm the fastest and the ace.

He has the catheter. Oh, yeah. Your shit is mad fast, though. I'm mad fast, brother. Oh, my god. This is. I'm about to come hang out with Lee, man. Nah, nah, you can't hang out with me. Nah, I'll sit.

You can't leave me. I'm going to sleep when you leave me. No, I'm just going to hang out with Lee like right there. I'm going right there to sit with Lee. Well, no. Lee needs to come over here and hang out with us. Smoke a joint. Smoke a joint.

Where is Lee? Come on, Lee. Come on, Lee. Do that Univision version of this show. Yeah, come on. We used to... Come on. I just take this part and I'm like, I'm going to go to sleep.

I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to go to sleep. I'm going to go to sleep. Come on Lee, do the Univision version of this show. Come on Lee, I'm good. I just take this part of me. No, the real Tiger? I'm good. I go, make this part of me, me, all. Did you pee already?

Yo, honestly, this is the most Tiger Bone that we've drank in one episode. This is a new bottle. I promise you. Honestly, this is the most tiger bone that we've drank in one episode Okay Yeah, I had it with only the first time there That's my first time hitting it. I hadn't even known it was the first time there. That's the first time I had a Tiger Bone. Remember we was there with Chico that night? Yo, you don't remember?

Whispering doesn't work. FYI. No, we're not. The mic is right here but I don't know that's where we was. You don't remember? We was up there

with Chico. It was me, you, Chico. Bang wasn't around. There might have even been somebody from Jersey with us like Marky. And Branson had us loaded. And you said Redman put you onto the spot.

Red put me onto Branson and I introduced Branson to Big. I introduced Big to Jacob the jeweler for the first time. I put $5 down on the wedding ring. And told him my man gonna come. We came up with Cheetos. You know, Manny. That's the biggest thing is Joey from first and then Jacob DeJula was like, you know.

Tito's my nigga, you talking about? Tito, Tito. You came up with Tito's. That's who made my grenade. Your turn. Your turn. Tito's, I said, here at Conversea of Jewelry, you know Tito's tricks. Okay, Tito was on 57th Street. Yeah, to the left. Yeah

Great letters. Yeah, you walk in come on Yeah, she don't pass away like Tito passed away. Yeah Yeah So hold on, hold on, hold on. Tito passed away? Yeah. Yeah, Tito passed away like about two, three years ago. That's right, Big used to fuck with Tito too. That's right. And then I went. Spitting chips at Manny's, man. Tito, Manny was the man. So before Jacob, you know, everybody.

Oh, damn. I forgot that, yo. That's sad. That was the first nigga to have, you know, he had the jewels. Like, that's who you used to go see first. That was B. be our man right there Very loose I got more joy Hold a horn or some shit, man. Oh, yeah, no. Look at your big horn. It's not working. Give me that shit. Hold this. Oh, a little bit.

A little bit. You smoke my dick. No, come on. She's full. What do you mean? OK, OK, OK. You want one? You want one, sis?

You want one, sis? Just in case. You got another one. Just in case. Thank you. So this is Drink Champs. And Drink Champs, we celebrate our legends. We celebrate our people who's been here.

And it's just because there is no other platform, other format, any other thing that's like this because these people they want to write us off every time we get we have a little bit of years why do you think that's only in our culture why is that only in our culture is that is that a hip-hop thing is it a black and Latino thing? I don't know that it is know that it is. I think so. I mean, who said that it's documented? It is on there. No, hip-hop is documented. What was your question? In hip-hop, 100%, after you have 10 years, you are OG.

And OG is another word of saying. It's like five years. Yeah, I'm saying OG. They call Kendrick an OG now. They say that OG is another word of calling you an old nigga. Right now. My nigga, like, yeah. But we respect you because of this.

I had a record. I said, yeah, I said sometimes they call you OG. I had a record. I said sometimes they call you OG. But they don't really mean it. They just calling you old. But you don't really see it. Yeah, no, that's facts.

And that's real shit. Because we look at it like it's respect. But then at the same time, it's a slant. It's a slant. Oh, I respect you because you still right here. You still rocking. You still, you know. That's real shit like because we look at it like it's respectful didn't see I respect you because you still right now. You still rock and you still you know, you know, it's that. It's true. It's a degree. It is. It's a degree. You're using certain words. You're using different words.

I'm just saying that's how I feel. Legend doesn't mean farewell. No, no, it doesn't mean that. It's the way people use it. I'm just saying the way people use it. I'm just saying the way people use it. Like, yo, my nigga, I fuck with you. You legendary.

OG and legend is two different motherfucking things. Let's be clear. I'm just saying that they... I'm just saying that people use it. This is how the younger generation use it. I understand what he's saying. You know, that little young man was doing so... He like, yo, he'll call you OG and legend at the same time to get that record.

And he's like, yo, I'm just saying that's how it is. I'm just saying that's how it is. I'm just saying that people use it the society younger generation you know that little young man what you doing so he like yo he according to your OG and legend at the same time to get that record done and you could be both no you definitely could be both I mean even my thing is the same thing no it's definitely not the same thing

legend means you have to have established a legacy yeah you have to have a legacy whether it's a good or bad Whether it's fucking You know what I mean That means somebody paid attention to certain steps Like a dink and a dink OG is that you survived for a certain amount of time

That's what you and OG Cause that's what that's supposed to be Or just you came from a certain time You feel me That just means you have a legacy Of doing something You came from a certain time right I'm doing something People say The kids say today in the streets, I don't think that of me I'm saying I was no But I understand when they when they when they biggie me up and I understand what they kind of playing me. Yeah, it's like that's what they're here for. You know what I'm saying?

What up OG? That's how I take this ain't your business. I'm walking up my block, I'm opening up, what up OG? What they saying is, nigga you ain't coming out here no more. You here for this five minutes. You gonna take something big, so you gonna get the fuck about it.

I'm cool with that, but that's how I take that sometimes. I take that sometimes. I take a nigga like, yo, what up, OG? Like saying, yo, my nigga, you had yours. You good. Keep it moving. I'm going to fuck with your old shit. I might not buy your new shit, but I'll fuck with you.

I'm cool with that. I respect that. I'm not tripping, my nigga. You're not going to buy your new shit. It's the same shit. It's the same shit with me. It's the same shit with me. Some niggas don't like that.

OG, what? Nigga, you know what's up? What? Legend? You don't fucking legend, you know? I be saying to people, niggas be like, yo, salute, legend. Niggas be tweaking back, you don't like that. Oh, gee. What, nigga? You don't know what's up? What? Legend? You don't fucking legend. I be seeing people from niggas be like, yo, salute, legend. Nigga be tweeting back, yo, fucking legend. And, you know, because I was one of those like, nah, I didn't put in that work for that.

But I get what people saying. You know what I mean? Like, they're just trying to give you props. But to me, I could be like, nah, my nigga, you saying I'm done? Like, it's over? But you got to think about, okay, back to on the side. What you just said about how fast Sif moves now. So for them to say Legend, that shit for them moves in light speed. That's what they said. A classic album is two days.

Right. That shit come out Friday and they say it's a classic by Sunday. They fucked up I think Kendrick's album was a classic but when they declared it a classic I did not agree with them

it was not agreeable it was not agreeable like they said Friday his album came out and they said it's a classic by Sunday

and I said maybe Sunday of two more years but this Sunday you can't do it and I love Kendrick and I love that album But I'm just saying

The fact The timeline That they did that Like Ready to Die Wasn't declared a classic For a year Two years later Illmatic

Shook Ones Infamous Mob album You know Snoop Dogg Time makes things classic All the times Makes it a classic Time makes things classic

None of this is classic now You can't judge it now It has to be timeless It can't come on on one day And No, you know, it's a classic Like they were fast like So what they say if you kept my attention for more than just They're forced to work a lot like we used to put our classes like once that be six months a year You know

It made you appreciate The audience You didn't flood them Now you have to just like You gotta do freestyle Just for Instagram now Niggas it's just like You know

You compete You have to constantly Be in the business And it's just different That's just what it is It's more faster It's more access So it's like

Whereas it's easier To get your shit heard Or whether it becomes Super popular or not it's easier to get your shit heard, or whether it becomes super popular or not, it's easier. So much shit out there, but it's so much more bullshit too. It's like more crowded, so it's like, eh, eh, eh. So how am I searching for the shit that's really hot?

Who'd you do, you know? Would you like more independent or major? I don't know, because I really... Damn, I don't know neither. I mean, to be fair, I mean I mean my last album the king and I I did with rhino records which is a subsidiary of I thought that was universal okay well it's under universal atlantic okay cool but it's still um they are who acquired the masters from bad boy, you know puffs all the masses he sold them to Atlantic So that's they do the box it okay. They owe my shit to I'm gonna tell her that I'm in. Go ahead. You can't get it, babe. You can't get it, babe. You're telling me what I gotta do.

You can't tell me what I gotta do. She got to connect. She got to connect. I'm in. Tell me what you got me for. All right. I'm working it. Very good.

But you know, that was the situation of them acquiring the masters. What the fuck was the point I was making in the first fucking play? What you said before? Indie versus major. Ind said versus major you know the crazy about you you always gonna be a little broke you know we're ought to be a little bro. That's what I do. I just. Yeah, you gotta be a little bro. For the rest of your life.

Can I get a real? OK. OK. We doing rose and one shot of Tiger Bone. You promised us one shot. OK. You gonna talk a little more, and then we gonna do the tights. I'm not gonna lie.

Damn. How much longer we got? I ain't been in the gym. Time check. We got this. We don't have no time left. We don't do time check. This shit just be.

Yeah, yeah. This is. No way. No way. No way. No way. No This shit just be. Yeah, yeah. This is. You know what? After this time. All right, all right, all right. After that, we're quitting. We're quitting. This is.

The liquor determines the time. No, he's not going to say nothing. He's not going to say nothing. No, I ain't going to lie. You're not going to say nothing. I'm going to say something. No, no, no. After that shot and that drink.

No, that's a drink. Because I already know. And then there's a shot coming. Because you know why? You do the longest choice, bro. You're snoring more than anyone, so you're not worried about me, are you? I'm fucked up. I'm fucked up.

I'm fucked up. Stop playing now. You know why? I'm cooked. I tap out quick, man. I'm done. Faith, you're a queen, and we want you to recognize,

we want you to understand, we want you to know that you're appreciated over here. Sure. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you to recognize, we want you to understand, we want you to know that you're appreciated over here. We love you. We love you. That's fine. That's fine. You know what?

It's because, again, I want to reiterate this. Our generation, our legacy, our people, we forget to big up our own people. We will big up everything else. I just looked at Ancestry.com. And since Wakanda came out, excuse me, since Black Panther came out, we all want to go research our fucking roots. Everybody want to be from Wakanda right now. That shit is rare.

I want to be from Wakanda, nigga. I was about to say. We're going to make it exist. And this is what we got to do. We got to continue to big each other up because to me, it's not about a race. To me, it's not about being black, white, Latino, or whatever. To me, it's about being hip-hop. Sometimes hip-hop is our nationality.

Sometimes hip-hop is our nationality, sometimes hip hop is our culture. If we all sit together and we all love the same artist, that transition, that trans... What is that? Transcends. Transcends. Oh, yeah. Well, love in general transcends. Love in general.

Just love. Love, that's real. Your love of whatever, your love of someone's spirit, your love of music, your love of someone's personality. That's real. That's real. It's love, period, that transcends. Yeah, music plays into that, but that lets you know how much of music, you know, and the positive sides of it is a part of love.

You feel me? I'm saying. It's just like all about energy, and I'm not no deep-ass bitch. I mean, not like that, no blaspheme. I love the Lord. I grew up in church, but it's not so much about the Bible I'm just like I like the energy I like to feel good I like to make people feel I'm not a negative bitch I don't you know I want no problems but don't fuck with me little but I'm just saying okay no time playing

Justin you can fuck me and I'd be like okay have a great day you know what I mean but I'm just saying, you know. Yo, you're going to be bruised up after this. Wow. The shit was just like, I'm about to come up watching after that. I can't come after that. I'm like, yo, where you at? You turned crazy. And y'all not going to see nothing.

Okay, go ahead. Let's stop. Let's stop. I love this. You ain't never seen it. Why you say that? Why stop? You start messing with me. I had a whole story, Mike. I'm ready for the headlock on you. It's all right. He don't want it. Oh, we got one more shot?

One more shot? Yeah. Yo, it's got to be one more. I'm not going to. That's it. That's my quota. Who even asked for this shot? I'm kidding.

Okay. My bad. Since you ain't let asked for this shot? I did. My bad. Since you ain't let me finish my story, but anyway. My bad. My bad. I'm not going to lie. You scared the horn. This horn works like Sonny's kids. What?

They don't exist. Oh. I went too far. I went too far. I went too far? I'll be honest, my nigga 49. How old are you? 49? That's my boy Bozy. My boy Bozy right there.

He's 59. He been going raw since 19. Oh shit. He got a side baby. He just put his ass in the bag. I don't want to say well even though roses 19 He just was tiger bone You know the cabbage patch the kid toys are as good on this side. You better keep my buddy in here. Oh shit. I'm going to see what I do. Yo, y'all is fucking crazy. I'm not doing this anymore.

You gotta have one more shot. Sometimes you gotta tell your boy your shit don't work. And I'm going to die. You better relax. I just want a very slight shot. And I'm all right. I maintain. I balance myself very good today.

I'm not really. Usually I'm not ready. Let me just say. I'm not really. Usually I'm not ready. Let me just say. I'm trying to get to that. Y'all need to make it the mom enough for the Irv Gotti level. Because I'm trying to get to the Irv Gotti level. Irv Gotti level. All right, so we're going to do.

Irv Gotti is my best interview. Y'all have to go ahead and shout out to my nigga Irv Gotti. A little bit. A little bit. No. Give him a little bit. I got one. No, it's all four.

He still got the. Yeah, you didn't drink that one. The last one? No, no, no, no. I drank the last one. Leave his niggas alone. I'm not going to fuck that. I'm gonna keep the faith. This is to you. I'm gonna keep the faith for you. Absolutely. Silent Queen. Love you, Fizzy.

Happy birthday. Her birthday just passed. Happy birthday. It's still her birthday. It's still her birthday. I'll be honest. Oh, wow. I'll be honest.

We're stupid, man. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid.

We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. We're stupid. birthday right we got gives. Here we go. Here you go. Drink Chance merch right here for you. Oh, thank you. Somebody took my two shorts the last time. Huh? Somebody took my two shorts the last time. That's actually, that's not, that's an extra. I just threw that in.

Hey, give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him.

Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. Give it to him. We did it because I always peer pressure them though I can see this

No no no It's all love but I see it The way he describes it She chases me to death. It's all love, but I see it. I'm a straight doula, God. The way he describes it. That's CJ though. I'm really your sis, but I'm saying. I'm a doula. That's family right there. You can tell. That's how I'm supposed to be though. You know what I mean?

I look out for you all the time. All the time. You hold me down too. Okay, let me ask y'all a question, right? We moving. K-S Oh right now. Just me Okay, so let me ask you my birthday I want to have just freedom my son is with his dad for a week fuck everything I got a little hope somewhere. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? And Leo be the one like, I'm down. Like, fuck it, I'm down. So look. We been rolling like two niggas.

Like, we just. Niggas please. We're seeing Unsolved. We're seeing a Notorious movie. We're seeing through Tupac movie. We're seeing Johnny Depp even got a piece in this. That's crazy. When is the C's faith story?

We were just talking about that. My movie is, actually, it's not a feature film, but I am in a deal with Viacom. That's huge. It's BET. That's a lot of them. Yeah, it's a lot of them. BH1, that's a lot of money. To do a picture based on what we were talking about before you had to pee pee on my book.

Remember? It's based on my book. Remember? Yeah, before you had to pee pee. Yeah. But anyway. Yeah, it's coming out soon, but I'm just kind of... I don't know. I wasn't so sure about it for so long because I'm like, I'm not really pressed like that.

You know? Because if it ain't going to be. There were so many other people told you that story. If it ain't going to really be. But yeah. But they ain't tell my story. They told whatever they told. My story is my fucking story.

Exactly. Nobody can tell my story but me. But part of my life and story has been depicted in other people's stories. Right. Some accurately, some not so accurately. But, you know, it's I just was kind of toying with it. But I think it's going to come out good. You know, I'm like very careful about stuff like that.

If it ain't going to be right, it ain't going to be right. It's not like that ain't going to make a difference in my life to do a movie. That ain't really completely a true story. Just to say I had a movie on TV. You know what I'm saying? Like, who the fuck cares? If that's the case, I'd have done a reality show, you know, a long time ago. You know, like, there's certain things I'm just like, that don't make sense for me.

Like, that ain't real shit. Right. Like, my real shit is actually right now. The shit y'all just heard. Right, right, right. This is a little more closer to, you know what I mean? Shit. Goddamn it.

Goddamn it. No, I'm into this, man. I'm into this. This is real shit, man. You know what? Because you know why? That's fat. We get to hear the stories from sidelines.

So to hear it from you, to see you, first of all, so beautiful, so coming back to life, so put together. We want to big that up. We want to salute that. Thank you. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that's right. God damn right. I don't know who it is, but you're very vulnerable right now.

You're very into this. He's been playing all my halftime. So, really, after all the things you've done in your life, really, what's next? Really, what do you want to do next? Well, music is always going to be a great part of my life. And like you were saying, you still love the game. It's not so much that I've never lost a love for creating great music, whether it's popular,

whether niggas is really buying it. Like I really get off. I know I'm good at that shit. I go in the booth and I'm the truth. I'm just saying, you might not hear it. Like somebody was like, I never heard this song.

Like nigga, it was on my couple of independent projects, but you know, it's like, that's not why I do it. somebody was like I never heard this song like it was on my couple of independent projects but you know it's like that's not why I do it it's like I I have a gift for that but I've also been blessed to understand and use my acumen to do other things like you're doing this thing you know what I'm saying you extend your life in other ways like I was a creator and executive producer of R&B Divas you know i'm saying a show that reality show correct right that you know although it after the first season they kind of shifted the creative spirit of it but you know it was a notch under my belt you know what i'm saying

in that lane so you know i'm always pitching stuff in the in the tv world too so you know i'm just trying to like do the stuff that I can do that makes sense for me. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And that, of course, makes money. But the money has to make sense. Because all money don't make sense.

So, I know you said that you and Kim patched it up after Big died. I didn't say that. Okay. What I did say was... My bad. Any ill feelings that I had toward Kim or B, what the fuck am I going to be mad at you for if he's dead?

But not until I decided to do the King and I album was I able to really... That's so crazy. I just did an interview with Hollywood Unlocked. I don't know if that's okay to mention that on here. Yeah, that's okay. Okay. But I did an interview with him.

But I did an interview they were talking about the bad boy documentary the can't stop one something they was like you know we see how pup brought y'all back together and i was like hold on let's be clear you know i'm saying like no me and sees was actually sitting on the speakers in rehearsal for the bad boy tour and i had already said i want kim on this me and big album that i'm doing you know and um that was my first i had probably reached out and to whoever her manager and maybe even since the track i don't even know if i had the track yet but i probably reached out and said i want her on this album and she said yeah through them but this is my first time seeing her and he was like yo that girl came right there you know it was real on the humbug i was like oh shit let me go talk to her but the cameras is everywhere so they're catching

everything meanwhile the camera shit is some other shit everybody ain't knowing like they filming the document okay wow anyway but somebody thought that puff brought me and kim together and i was like no no shade to puff and that was a good depiction of it but no i already had reached out to kim because i'm like this is an important album if the nigga was alive we'd have definitely did an album together and i'd have definitely been like nigga let's do this to be fly if we you know whether he was fucking with who the fuck ever like if the bitch is dope you know what i'm saying you I mean? Like, so it just made sense to me, especially with that song. We both loved him. So, but it wasn't a puff thing to say, you do that.

You know what I mean? It was more so me and C sitting on the speaker. I'm like, yo, he's like, yo, you saw a camera? I'm like, no, where she at? He's like, she right there. I was like, oh shit, let me go talk to her. So the camera saw that. So they put it, you know, not saying they made it up

and said that in the documentary, but people took it like that was the moment that, you know. But it wasn't like that. It was more so that's just the shit that I'm on. You know what I mean? I'm not really tripping like that. Goddamn, a grown woman. That's right.

A grown woman. Come on, come on. That's a good one. That's a good one. Come on, come on. That's a good one. Team Harmony. I'm tired. Oh my God. I got one that works now. He's like EFN right now. That's what you mean. I swear to God, everything you do, that's it.

That's Gemini season. Wait, my skin is dead. Come on. I got to ask this. See this cover your ears. Whoa. See this cover your ears. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Here you go. Here, knock yourself out with this one. She hoarse. All right. She real hoarse. No, she's not. She's not. She's not. ears. See us cover your ears. Here you go. She real hoarse.

I'm sorry. I don't care. I don't care. See us cover your ears. That's it. We'll access before we leave. What happened? What the fuck? This is like a big

Big question to drink fuck did big he asked Really? I guess that depends on who you ask. Damn! I don't know. I'm just saying. He ate mine a few times. Oh, yeah! I might have ate his back. She reciprocated. She's awake! She's awake!

Oh, I love it! I mean, it's a surprise. It's a mutual sense of wake. That was a big question in hip hop right now. That's it. We stupid for that one. I wasn't ready! I wasn't ready!

I quit. I'm gonna whistle. I'm gonna whistle. I was already! I quit! You're the best, though! I'm gonna do it! Hey, yo, listen, man. You gotta handle it, that one. Yo, man, he's He's probably right there. He's listening to that song.

He got the horn right there. Biggie, I'ma do it like this! Biggie's a Gemini, too, so it's good like this. I do what a Gemini 2 short is like this. Shut up! I do with a Gemini 2 short. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying. He said it.

He said Gemini season. Maybe so. It's just some of them shit. Super facts. But now D-Rock also. I seen him do an interview. I seen D-Rock also, I've seen him do an interview. Shout out to D-Rock. D-Rock, man.

I've seen D-Rock do an interview, and he said, he expressed the fact that he didn't want people to celebrate March 9th. He wanted people to celebrate Big's birthday. What day is that? May 21st. May 21st. So he expressed that. He said, March 9th. He really didn't like people celebrating.

A lot of people do that, bro. A lot of people feel that way. Let me say something. Okay. Okay, because in the movie, when you keep referring to the movie, you know that scene where, and we saw it in the press where people saw the people celebrating, but to understand how real that was and on everything. Like when you see Angela Bassett and it was like when we rolled from mind you it wasn't just in

brooklyn we rolled from frank e campbell in the city through whatever area the uh uh jfk what is that east side thing that what's that shit on the east side is that the jfk fdr fdr jfk fdr you know what i'm talking about and it was niggas in every building whether it was a project whether it was an office building they was in every window like and the look you saw angela bassett like i was in the car with miss wallace she really was sitting there that's when she realized how fucking i saw it myself wow i was in the car with her and i was so happy to in that sad moment see her realize how people fucked with her son mmm like it was crazy that shit was crazy she's not you know she'll know that she was at that time she didn't realize it that was

like you know she's your own witness she was very lucky and I was in the car and I saw her like oh my god you know we good miss Wallace I'm in my car she I saw her like, oh my God. You know, we good, Miss Wallace. I'm in my car. She was, oh my God. They really love. Like, she was like a tear. She was like, what's hip hop? Like, you know, like, she had no idea of just like how big he was to that extent.

Because that just wasn't her life. She don't know nothing about the upbringing of what we came from, She was very oblivious to... She never knew he hustled. That scene in the movie where she... He went to change his clothes from his family to everyone. He was thinking it was baking soda and that was... No, no, it's potatoes. He thought it was potatoes. That's it.

That's real. My nigga, that really... She not knowing that was work. He came in there pissed off like, my mom just flushed down. That's my week. She just flushed that was work. He came in there pissed off, like, my mom just flushed down. That's my week. You know, she just flushed down my work. And she didn't even know that. Like, that's just how oblivious she was to that lifestyle of it. To her, that was just like her Chris.

Because he did all the shit she wanted her to do. He was smart. He went to school. He did all that. But, you know, he did all the other extra shit. And to this day, she don't know about none of that shit. Well, she does now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? All right.

But I saw it. So it was so crazy. That was just a great feeling to see. So this is probably the last question, because I don't want to get too emotional with you guys. And you guys gave me exactly what I wanted. But one thing that people ask me all the time is, you know, I was very close to Pun.

Pun was my guy. My guy. People always ask me, they say, yo, do you realize how special Pun was when Pun was here? And almost eight times out of ten, I say, yeah. Because I actually did. I think he was as special as the people analyze him now. No, I'm sorry.

But when he was alive, I knew who he was. Like, I knew. Pump was special to me just as a listener and a creative person. Right. And you had a personal relationship, so I know that's different. He's one of my best friends. But back to your question about was that related to Big? Right.

Did I know he was special? Yes. I knew he was special just because of his spirit and how we connected. It wasn't so much. Yeah, okay. You know, I ain't going to lie. The first time we actually fucked. Okay.

I wasn't ready. Not the first time we met, bro. The first time we fucked. No. I'm not. I'm going to sit by here and wait for you. No, you ain't going no fucking way. Close your ass again.

No, no, no. But I'm gonna sit by here and wait for you. No, you ain't going no fucking where. Close your ears and go. No, no, no. But I'm saying... She's not trying to give us... I wouldn't use that word. The first time we actually, you know, consummated things, I guess. Not even consummate, because that's like more of a serious marriage.

No, once you say fuck, you can't go back. Just stay with the fuck you're saying. It was this bad boy party on Father's Day. That's how I always come back when people say we got married in seven days. No, the fuck we didn't. We met like at this photo shoot, which was like after Mother's Day, which was like May. It might have been even after China's first birthday, which was April. That's how I know.

And then he saw my pictures at the photo shoot. And he said, you coming to the party? And he had a Father's Day party, which is in June, right? So that's how I know I count my shit like China's in April Father. Father's Day is in mid-June. So he was looking at my pictures. But nonetheless, what the fuck was I saying? Oh, we had that party. He said, you're going to that Father's Day party.

And after being performed, I was in the audience. Everybody's like, Big, where you going? He's like, we're hot. And he grabbed my hand and he went on with me that night. And I fucked the shit out of him. And we got married. Four months later. Four weeks later. Four months later.

Four months later. Four months later. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Y'all! Not four months, four weeks, four weeks. Four weeks. I was gonna tell that story with or without the tiger. You can't sit here too long. With or without the tiger, I was gonna say that. You can't sit here too long. This is a very dangerous table. Anyway.

I swear to God, you'll see. After that, you're a hip hop legend. You know what I mean? I feel like I'll be talking to my uncles. I feel like I'll be talking to the closest people in my life. I'm so like, I get here and I get so stuck. It's therapy. Therapy.

You start saying shit and you're like, yo. It's hip hop therapy. When you don't wake up tomorrow and go, you know it. When that shit come out. And he don't respond. Yeah. Why can't I answer that? This is my tag.

Let me add something to it though. He fucked the shit out of me too. Okay. Shout out to B.I.G. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Yo, I'm about to gaff. Let me ask you this. I knew that was coming.

It's definitely coming. Let me ask you this. If Big would be here right now, what position would he be in hip-hop? Yeah, we'd be running shit. Because Big was cool like that. Big was a judge. You know.

You know B.I. I believe. that. Big was a judge. You know. You know B.I. I believe. B.I. fuck with, you know. He didn't have no preference, man, my nigga. He didn't give a fuck how you sound. You was dope. You was dope. It's not like he fuck with street niggas.

I fuck with real niggas. It's not. If you was a weirdo, he would have fucked with you. Big was cool with that. I could see him fucking with a... If he was dope, Big would do that. You know? He would...

He would have a chance to rap in Chicago right now. Yeah, he was a hip hop. That's who he was. And he fucked with people that fucked with him. Yeah. If you fuck with him, he's like, all right, my nigga, what's up? It might not be his way with music,

but he's a cool nigga though. Fuck with him. Come on, nigga, he's smoking. He was that. That's why we like that. That's why I'm like that. I like that. I embrace everybody, my nigga.

If I vibe to it, vibe to it. The music I might not like. I might like you though. I might be like, that nigga was cool. He don't be tripping. He's cool. He's smooth. You know, it's, that's how we came up. You know what I mean? It's just that, that's the vibe. You know what I mean? We used to see niggas and, you know, we was rappers, but I was fans of niggas too. You know what I mean? We see niggas like him and like him in the tunnel, I'm like, that's Norrie. Nigga T-O-N-Y. These niggas that look like you, they come from where I come from. I can recognize them niggas from what I see.

I'm like, that nigga from where we from. That's how we vibe. Look at this shit. This shit last 20 years strong. The new generation, you questioning them from three years on down. You know what I'm saying? I'll tell you the crazy shit. For me, it was to see the test of time.

And to see that years later, to see how important big is and to see like these young kids who who you know big big been gone almost 20 years and and they don't more than 20 years you know but i mean you know these these young kids they don't salute them and to see the world just jump on them I love when like a artist say oh well big is overrated and it's like yeah little nigga you were not there and you are not there you're not even there you're not even you're not even there so that that shit bothers the shit out of me

like you're expanding your lifeline like it's really different my nigga we you know we can think we want to think about us my nigga

but we you know it's different like we just watched Anita Baker the other day that's what I was about to say earlier for my birthday

my dude I watched the whole crowd just react to her records so different. Certain records came on and you see people get out of these seats and I was just like,

damn. How old is she? She kept saying, I'm a shit pack. This shit is flooded. I'm like, and you just want, she was just putting the mic out

just to let people sing. She let the audience sing the whole, like that's what, that's true legacy. audience sing the whole Like that's what you like That's true legacy They sang the whole song and she started over and sang it How long this new generation gonna last? Like are 50 year old people gonna be in there like

They cut me off on T.O. a long time ago Come on dog You old now Don't you put that mic out there like your shit is new. Nah, dog. It's five of us. Tio and Y. Bae and Y.

But you know, you got, come on, my little, you know what I'm talking about. You got, come on, my little. I'm explaining. I'm explaining. Yeah. That's rough. Let me just tell you something, man. No, it's rough, man.

It's rough. Come on, dog. Let me tell you something. I've watched you before. I've seen shit. Let me tell you something, man. No, it's wrong. It's wrong. Come on, dog. Let me tell you something. I've watched you before. I've seen shit. Six years of my life.

Let me just tell you something. Six years of my life. Six years straight. From October to March, I had to be in Europe, right? Now, most people say, Europe, you fucking idiot. Europe is fantastic. Right. You're supposed to get that devil money.

But when you're forced to be there, you don't want to be there. So you got to be with, what, in France, with Pepe Le Pew? It's very rough. This nigga smoking crack in the elevator.

He's saying crack is the shit. If you go to my nigga ETN, god damn it, I love you. Shit. He's hard-biting. It's torture. Listen, when you don't want to be somewhere, it's torture Listen When you don't want to be somewhere It's torture

You Name a nice place in your Life right Let's say the Hamptons Fantastic place You know a white guy there named Fred Right Fred is fantastic

Fred is a great guy Fred is a great guy. Fred is a great guy. He lights fireworks before the 4th of July. He's a good guy, Fred. Fred is the guy. But now, you don't want to be with Fred. You want to be home. You really want to be home.

But now, Fred is the most, he he's the most would you like this i got this and you love fred but fred i want to go home fred is the most annoying nigga in the world because you have to be there to pay your bills. Right. So a lot of people don't understand that's torture. Like my wife, my wife taught me Paris. I used to go to Paris and be like, what the fuck am I here for? I don't want to be by an Eiffel Tower. What is an Eiffel Tower? That shit is all.

I don't even know what it is. It doesn't make sense to a nigga that just want bread. But then my wife, she comes out there. She's like, look, the Eiffel Tower. I'm like. Shout out to wifey. Yay. She taught me culture.

To be honest, she taught me culture. But other than that. We wasn't with that. Like, and I have a life. That shit was like corny to us. Like, you know, going to the beach's where that before you tell me you're you gonna go to the beach fuck out it yeah yeah let's be honest block the strip club was trashed to us in New York if you went to the strip club you wish

your class no no we didn't have that. We didn't have that imagine a big J and pop has strip clubs back in the day Magic the 90s was strip club. It wasn't you had to go to Miami like you had City like those I'm getting mad for long periods of time. Showgirls. We just started getting strip clubs. Let me tell you something. He took me to a strip club. It was called Showgirls. I never seen so much bullet holes in my life. So many what?

Bullet holes. Bullet holes. Like in they bodies? Yeah. They got shot. The bitches got shot. Oh my god. And Sonny D walked in there.

He spent $80, and he was the man. $80? This was the man. $80. This is in Kendrick. That's all, D? That's all it was? Sonny D, that's all it was? He had about four bottles, $80.

I said, what the fuck? Where are we at? We got to leave. I don't throw chicks the wrong way. I would go hang out spots like that and be cool, man. Oh, nah, that's the spot. I know, I know. They sell food?

They sell food. I don't shoot for food. Bullet worms. I don, I know. They sell food? They sell food. Yeah, they sell food. I don't go for the chicken. I don't go for the food. I don't know how y'all eat it. Chicken got a 22 bullet in it. You can have it.

It's called chicken. You know what it is for white meat or dark meat? It's called unleaded or not unleaded. You just gotta take it. But where is it? It's in the hood or it's like out in the street? Nah, it's in the hood. It's in the hood.

It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood or it's like out? No, it's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood. It's in the hood.

It's in the hood. It's in the Latino hood. So you think you're not going to get shot. But listen, you're going to get stabbed. And then the shot, there's a bullet coming later. But it's just, wow, a nigga stab you. And then it's just like, then it says, Cuban nigga that come later.

So we're like, yo, I got to throw it in. Are you Dominican or? Who, me? You. I am Puerto Rican. Right. Oh, shit. I am Puerto Rican. I'm very offensive. I'm sorry. I'm thrown in. Are you Dominican or? Who, me? You. I'm Puerto Rican. Right. Oh, shit. I'm Puerto Rican.

I'm very offensive. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. So sorry. You got to relax. Yeah. You're sorry. But wait, you.

I'm sorry. You're Dominican. Oh, he's boys are. That nigga is, that nigga is green. That nigga ain't Dominican. That nigga is, that nigga is money. That nigga is green. That nigga ain't Dominican. That nigga is money. That nigga is no nationality. That nigga is a mula.

That nigga is whatever makes sense. Oh, he's mula. Oh my God. Okay, I'ma take a refill again. More, more, more. I got you. I'll pour your shit. Yo, really? No, that's convincing, man. I'll pour your shit, man. Let's look at the schedule. This is a beautiful thing.

There's no schedule. That's when the shit is live. There's no schedule. That's exactly what you got to do, C's. You got to relax, C's. You got to relax, C's. Because you crippled big. You crippled big.

That nigga says, little C's crippled me. Since that day, you don't really have a lot of props in hip-hop. You just got to take that. Little C's crippled me. Since that day, you don't really have a lot of props in hip-hop. You just got to take that. You just got to take that the hell off. Because you crippled Big Papa. How did this happen? You was not supposed to be the driver.

I shouldn't have been there. Big didn't drive. But he was 14 years old, though. No, not at that time. He was probably like 18, 17. No, I was 16. No no 16 i was 16. no he wasn't 17. 17. 17. 17. and big never drove though that's why he didn't drive i didn't do nothing really wrong though it was just a drive every now and then i drive the public's i should have been driving sandwiches are amazing thelix sandwiches are amazing. The Sub's. She's a Miamian.

No, I lived in Atlanta for like six years. They got Publix in Atlanta? Yes. Oh shit-a-la-la. And so I go to the Publix in Miami because I know about it from Atlanta. It's fantastic. It's amazing. Oh, it's amazing.

The chicken wings are cool. I like the chicken wings. I like the chicken wings. But I like the veggie stuff from Publix. Sounds like a French restaurant all of a sudden. Veggie sub, you said? Publix and veggie sub. Veggie?

Black olives? No, I don't like olives. All the things but this. But this. No olives. That's very Hispanic of you to have olives. I'm black and Italian. I'm more black than Italian. Are you black and Italian?

That's what I heard. Yeah. No. Yo, that's us. I never met her. Yeah. Really, we're not going to stay until the bottom's gone. We are.

We are. That's why the fuck we here. What do you mean? I'm fucking on vacation celebrating my birthday, motherfucker. That's something. That's something. Happy birthday, by the way. Thank you. Happy birthday to you. Let's show her that we three different nationalities here. Start off with the regular shit. Happy birthday to you.

Can we get a key? Happy birthday to you. We're going to hit you with the horn. Happy birthday, dear Faye. Happy birthday to you. Okay, let's relax now. Now let's take it to Latino. Del cupiáño feliz.

Del cupiáño feliz. Del cupiáño feliz. Del cupiáño feliz. Yes, you'll be on your belly. Yes, you'll be on your belly. Oh, Feliz, like happy. Feliz. Yes, and now we black too, goddammit. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday to you. Wait, Steddy ain't gonna do the Creole version? Yo, Steddy. Steddy, what's the Creole version? Do the Creole version. What's going on? Born to fend, born to fend.

Born to fend, born to fend. Born to fend, born to fend. Born to fend, born to fend. He sings that when he goes to Publix. For the best, for the best, for the best He sings that when he goes to Publix you and you love him and he's singing that to you as a woman you know i'll be like yo my yo you're the freshest ever i'm just saying if i feel like we're about to then i'm all in but that was real nice of you, like actually thank you. Because we don't know what language that was. It was French, Creole. French, Creole?

Yes. Okay, that's what that was? Bon, ver, you can tell, ver. Bon, you know, that is French. You are language-based. That is French. You don't know these things like that. You sound like Russian right now.

Well, I do these things all the time, you know. You have to learn this part about me. My personality. One time you had me on here, I would break this down for you and tell you. All about how I talk about this way. I'm an accent person. Oh I barely watch this person. You know Nacho Libre is my favorite.

Oh my goodness. You ever watch Nacho Libre? Yes, the shit with the Mexican wrestling. Yes, the Mexican wrestling. He believes in science. I believe in science. Jack Black. Jack Black. So, I feel like we covered everything.

Are you sure, man? No. Let's do it in French now. But I want to ask you one more time. Was there anything you could, man? No. Let's do it in French now. But I want to ask you one more time. Was there anything you could do over? What would you do? If you could. If I could?

I don't know. I mean, maybe I would. Shoot. Well, if I could do something over again, what would I do? Damn. I don't know. That's a hard question to put into one answer. You know?

It's like I would do this and then I would do that. You know? I can't single it out to one thing. If it's one thing I would do different, it would be fair to say that I would have been more aware in the beginning of my career instead of thinking about my like thinking off of my emotional coolness and, you know, just me. But I don't regret it, though. So I can't even say that. I can't say that because I don't regret like, oh shit, I got to shit it off for this, but I was cool with that. I'm not mad at the status that my personality has. Fuck the numbers of sales. You know what I'm saying?

I'm not mad. So I can't say that I would do anything over. Because if I could, it's really a big question. You fucking can't. How about that shit? so if you had a chance to do it all over you would live it live everything i mean but if i had a chance to do it all over the shit would have presented itself differently anyway you feel me it's like bitch you could do this again so what would you do if you could or couldn't? You feel what I'm saying?

The right person. That ain't how life presents itself. And, you know, I know I've always, you know, even though in hindsight things was like, damn, that ain't work out right because you didn't look at this. But I've always came from the right place. And when I do believe when you come from the right place, you can't go wrong. Whether someone takes it the right way, whether it ends up the right way, but in my spirit and my heart and in my relationship with God, I can't

feel wrong about shit that I know I wasn't coming from a bad place. You feel me? And I'm cool with that. Nigga, I go to bed at 8 o'clock and I feel great about that shit. I go to bed at 9. I go to bed at 9. Tell him one time, this nigga was at my house for shit. I got a bed at nine. Tell him one time

this nigga was at my house for Thanksgiving and my phone went off at 7.45 almost time to go to bed. She had a text that come to her phone like Siri. Hey, time to go to sleep. I was like, yeah. He's like, nigga, 7.45.

That's her nickname. We call her Granny. This is a privilege right now. She's like, what time is it? I'm up way back. I mean, but I ain't tripping. I'm on my birthday vacation. She'll be done right now. I'm on a walk in the pool with my husband and my man.

You feel me? I'm like, I'm on some other shit right now. But I really go to bed at 8, 8.30. I wake up at 4 o'clock, go work out, get my son up at 6. You know what I mean mean my shit is real schedule Like you know We get a Do my birthday here. Get a flight, nigga.

You know, it was like, all right. Let me see what I can find real quick. Who you going out there with? Fidola. I'm like, nobody. I'm just going to be out there. See what I can do. Oh, OK.

And that's fucking Norian, though. I'm just out here. I don't really do this often. You know, granny be in the bed. It's her birthday, so she wanted to hang. I'm like, I'm going to hang out for two weeks. Fuck it. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to use the bed. It's her birthday, so she wanted to hang. I'm like, you're fucking mean. I'm not going to hang out for two weeks.

Fuck it. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to use the bathroom. I'm going to take a... I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot. I'm going to take a shot. But thank you guys

for having me. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm just going. I'm not leaving. I'm just going. I'm not leaving.

I'm just going. Let me tell y'all something. This is the first time we had a female who came, drank, and smoked. And did accents. Amber, Amber, Amber, our sister, came, only drank. Trina came, only drank.

Amber, Angelique, came, only drank. Check the footage. I'm going to be honest. I didn't see any of your shit, though, so I'm going to see it. I'm going to be honest. I didn't see it. I don't remember all that. I don't remember all that.

I didn't see that. I'm going to watch that one, though. Super Cindy. Super Cindy. I didn't see all that. I don't remember all that. Spray the air. I don't know. Miss Cindy. Miss Cindy. Super Cindy. Super Cindy. She drank. She drank a little. She drank. She didn't smoke.

Why he spray that shit like that? Because you got to drink and smoke. Spray. Drink and spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray.

And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray.

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And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. And spray. She drink, she smoke, she got a little C's.

Wait, wait, where's my Instagram? Let me see if y'all have some funny things. No, no, no, no, no, don't, no, yeah, no, don't. Please, one more time. Yo, please, please, please. Come on, Z. Yo, we supposed to be leaving, yo. Listen, thank y'all so much.

We gonna wrap it up? No, no, no. Little C's. This is third time. Jayden Kispen on here, 1900 times. This is my first time. You on the race. You on the race. You on the race. You on C's. This is third time. Jada Kispen on here.

1900 times. This is my first time. You're on the race. I'm officially in the race. Hey, listen. C's on the team. He's on there. I love it.

I love it, though. C's, S's. I truly appreciate it. It's the best shit I know. Let me tell you something. Anytime you want to promote anything, anytime you want to talk about anything, anytime you want to get anything off your chest,

this is your home. I'm going to talk while you motherfuckers listen here. No, no, no. This is your home. This is your home. I just got something I got to say. This is your home.

You can always come here because this is the first time artists is running artist media. Yes. Thank you. Thank y'all for having me. No, no. It's an honor.

It's an honor. Thank you for letting y'all for having me. No, no. It's an honor. It's an honor. Thank you for letting me talk to y'all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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