Drink Champs - Episode 140 w/ DJ Marley Marl

Episode Date: September 28, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with the legendary DJ Marley Marl. He talks about the early days in Queens Bridge, the creation of the Juice crew, Nas, Rakim, Kanye West, Big Daddy Kane and a lot more! Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In the most professional, unprofessional podcast And your number one source for drunk facts It's time for Drink Champs Drink up, motherfucker. Three, two, one, ground the air. What it good be? Hopefully it's what it should be. It's your boy N.O.R.E. What up, it's DJ EFN. It's motherfucking Drink Champs. How y'all make some noise?

Right now, when you think of hip-hop, you think of hip hop You think of hip hop royalty You think of a guy who had a record label Back then who had so many artists Who broke so many artists Who stood the test of times I heard through the grapevine That he might have been the first one to sample We won't get to that I heard through the grapevine that he was the guy

Who discovered Rakim I heard through the grapevine that he was the guy who discovered Rakim. I heard through the grapevine that this guy has been countless. When you think of the first CEOs and the first, you know what I'm saying? He has to be up there with it. You've seen a black person own a company. The first time we ever heard of a black person owning a company, a record label at this time at least. If you don't know who the hell we're talking about, we're talking about motherfucking legendary Molly. Molly! Legend, yo. this time at least. If you don't know who the hell we talking about, we talking about motherfucking legendary Molly. So let me let me let me just take it from the

beginning. You got one, Roby? Let's take it from the beginning. How did you even like you know come across music? What was it? You fell in love? You know a DJ out there playing in Queensbridge in the park. You know we used to do jams in the park and um you know I was the dude in Queensbridge in the park. You know, we used to do jams in the park. And, you know, I was the dude in Queensbridge coming out every weekend. So at that point, one day I had the musician cats come, you know, they was down one side. It was like around the time when hip-hop was just bubbling.

So what really happened was like I had the band plug into my system, my boy Andre. And then the next day, the musicians started coming to my house. So I was already the DJ. Now I got the musician cast from the neighborhood. Like guitars. Guitars, keyboard players. Keyboard and everything.

Everybody started coming to my house because I had a big system. And that's how I kind of caught the bug to become more than just a DJ. Because I was already a DJ. I wanted to be that special DJ that had special powers. And when I say special powers, it means like special mixes that nobody got, something special. And that's when I first caught the bug.

So let me ask, because on Shan's record, he says, hip-hop started out in the park. You said hip-hop. It was set out in the dark. Set out in the dark. But before you said that, I said, I'm going to tell you a story about where we come from. So let's make that clear.

Talk about y'all to yourself. This was our neighborhood story. That was a tape floating around the neighborhood, and that's how the bridge got started from, you know, it was like a neighborhood tape. And you know, nobody was trying to say, yo, hip-hop started from that record or we started hip-hop. We said, we're going to tell you something about where we come from. Who were you guys looking up to at that point in hip-hop? Well, the only person, people we was looking up to was probably Cats from the Hood that we was able to see.

So nobody outside of the Hood? Not really, because, you know, I was really young. And so I was too young to go to see Bam Bada when he came to Queensbridge. So that was the other generation before me, if you understand what I'm talking about. So I was looking up to the cats in the neighborhood, like Dr. Bob Lee, like Jappy Jap, who's on the record. Jappy Jap? Damn it!

You know what I mean? Gas, my brother Larry Lab was the DJ. And the man, the mastermind that put it all together, the electronical wizard, his name was T-Tom. Now, was that the first record that came from Queensbridge? Oh, no, no, no. Was it other records? Yeah, you know, what's funny about how hip-hop sits with Queensbridge, before hip-hop, there was like a whole disco era out.

And there was cats from Queensbridge like the Andre Boots, the Daryl Pains, the Michael Baileys. They had records on the radio already. Now, those was the cats that I was looking at. Maybe that's why I became a producer because I'm looking at these cats walking around the hood and they got records on the radio.

You know what I'm saying? Daryl Paine wrote most of all of every every disco era song, Thanks to You and stuff like that. You know, Andre Booth, he had This Beat Is Mine back in the day. So, you know, I'm walking around as a little kid in Queensbridge. These cats got records on the radio already. So I had like a bar to catch up to, if you know what I mean.

Because all the band cats was already famous and had records out. So I was like, okay, all right, that's real good. So what was your first record you would say was successful? My first successful record? I would probably say Mama Said Knock You Out. That's a huge record, though. That is a huge record. That's what I'm trying to say. Because with me, I've been on both sides. I've been in the Said Knock Your Album. That's a huge record, though. That is a huge record.

That's what I'm trying to say, because with me, I've been on both sides. I've been in the beginning of hip-hop. We made a lot of attempts to do things that's neighborhood favorites, but it ain't generating publishing. Right. You get what I'm saying? So I would say that was a big record for me, that, Round the Way Girl. That transcended.

I believe when I got to that point. Round the way girl. They got a shit, got a shit. I'm sorry. The kid came out of me. I'm sorry. It's Queens right there. It's Queens.

It's Queens. But I say all that to say that, you know, for me to even to rise up to be able to make that record it was all in the making i look at my whole earlier career was getting me ready for something kind of big i was just you know it's kind of sparring i'm doing records we making history we changing how people produce but all you know i just look at it for me sparring to get to something that you know i needed to get to to make uh an album like that with LL, every track, if you know what I mean. To make an album like that and to make it successful and to be what it is and to sit in people's minds and psyches like that, I had to get ready for that.

So every record I made up to that point led up to that. Now, in the Shantae movie, right? Yeah. You was actually producing in Queensbury? So that's what it is. You was producing in Queensbury and she walked by? And you...

Was that accurate? It was close. It was very close. I didn't... My window didn't face that way. But it was kind of like that because I already knew she was like a freestyle king in Queensbury.

Like, her, Shan, this cat named Infinite. And, you know, a bunch of them used to be just on the block freestyling, going at it. Bah, bah, bah, bah. And they used to always have a crowd. Sometimes we'd walk through like, damn, this little chick is killing these cats out here. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, one day I told, you know, I had that Roxanne beat. And, you know, she had an idea to do something.

And I seen her that day. I was like, Roxanne beat, and, you know, she had an idea to do something, and I seen her that day. I was like, yo, ba-ba-ba-ba. She's like, yo, I'm going to put my clothes in the spin cycle. All that was actually that part. It was real talk. She ran down the laundry, threw it in the thing, ran upstairs, did one take, and broke out. Get the fuck out of here.

One take. The rest is history. One take. Whoa. That was one take, and she did it. And she wasn't even taking it seriously? She didn't even know? We didn't know because...

Because she hadn't done records yet up to that point. I really, really didn't because most of my early joints was not supposed to be records. Like I said, I wanted to be that magical DJ with something special. So, you know, my first recording that I was working with before was Sucker DJs. I only did that because Sucker MCs was out.

I wanted a special version that only I had. Like dub plates. Right, a dub plate. Something special. With the chick talking about Sucker DJs and pumping me up. So it was like a dub plate. Most of my early songs wasn't ever supposed to be songs.

They was supposed to be something special for me, but the public grabbed onto it. Now, is it true you just like discovered Rakim?

I wouldn't say I discovered Rakim. Rakim came to the crib with Eric B. In Queensbridge? Yeah, in Queensbridge. I was living on 12th Street,

you know, in that same apartment where we did the Shante record. And you're from 12th Street? I'm from Vernon. You're from Vernon. I was living on 12th Street, you know, in that same apartment where we did the Shantae record. And you're from 12th Street? I'm from Vernon. You're from Vernon. I'm from the side of Vernon, but my sister had an apartment. You know how Queensbridge is.

You know, she gave me the apartment. It was like, the rent was like $110 a month. You know what I mean? So I just like to pay that for the year and just, you run a foot crib and you know have free electricity and you just you know just go in and just make joints that was her apartment and that was the real rock kim came now rock kim came um no one knew who rock him was now now check this out now at first i believe freddie fox was supposed to show up bumpy knuckles bumpy knuckles and he didn't show up so we're looking at he like yo Knuckles. And he didn't show up.

So we're looking at E like, yo, Eric, where's your man? He's like, no, don't worry. I got somebody coming tomorrow. Bah, bah, bah. And bang, then Rakim came. Wow. Now, you got to think about it. That's names thrown out.

Now, Rakim comes. And, you know, Rakim wanted to go slower. He wanted to rhyme slow. Because you got to think about it. Before he got to my house, I was already, like, dabbling house I was already like dabbling a little with Kane dabbling little with G rat so We would they wasn't making what music to say and it wasn't assigned to you at that time pain and I'm G Well, I'm came to you that was after they got with the arm with the label, but the cane was always business writer Okay, he's always lurking around why he was always hanging around

You know what I mean, you know what the crazy thing is? To make sure we get back to this point. You know what the crazy thing is? Biz Mark is probably the only person who was probably up front that he had a ghostwriter. Him and Eazy-E. And no one cared. Right, right. So from the beginning, Kane was writing Biz rhymes.

That's it. I mean, I think Kane, Biz wrote his earliest stuff. But the stuff that really makes sense, you can obviously tell. Like, even picking boogers, I didn't even think Kane had, like, a personality like that. Yeah, Kane talked about it a lot. Yeah, he talked about that on the show with us, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Kane was dope.

You know, we're going to get into Kane in a minute because you asked me about Kane. He's definitely the one that changed rap and did something crazy with rap. Wow. And made me better. Okay, so let's stay on Rakim then, right? So Rakim comes. Now, is it true that Every Beat for President was actually Tragedy's record? That was actually a record called Stun of the Block.

Wow. But it didn't have that bass line. It was the same drums. Okay. So what I did when he had the idea to use that, I was like, oh, oh let me strip the track of stunner the block and just keep the drums and let's add And I played that over and that became Eric B's president. Okay, so that's all Frank Fox was supposed to be there, right. But y'all record something that day? Yeah, we made my melody first.

Wait up. Wait, in Queensbridge? My melody was made in Queensbridge? My melody was made in a living room in Queensbridge. Yo! And Eric B.'s president was made in a living room in Queensbridge. And all my fucking... The same living room where Shante made her.

Yo, you gotta buy that... Does that have a credit on the record? You gotta buy that apartment and just make that a studio, my dude. What? Yo, that's crazy. Holy shit. I would have never thought that was the one and only record. Like, you and Shantae.

So, there was other people coming to that house? Oh, yeah, yeah. And it was the house on 12th Street, you said? It was the house on 12th Street. 41st side or 41st? 41st side. 41st side, okay. That's fucking my deep side.

That's what I'm trying to say. Now, Havoc lives in the next building. Right, Capone lives right there. That's what I'm trying to say. Capone was right across. Capone's across. I say now. I'm having living in that's building. Why I keep all this Home was made across the bed across So hold on now fucked up now. I feel like I don't even know my own childhood right now. I'm so oh My god, it's prone building right here. Did you say the building right before having building right? Yeah, the having was here. I was the building around that corner. Wow straight across.

Wow. And Jesus, Havoc in them was like kids at this time, right? Well, Havoc in them, his uncle used to be blasting the music out the window. Wow. He wasn't even Havoc yet. You know what I mean? I used to bat him.

I'm playing beats out the window. He's playing music. So I would play loud sometimes. He would play. So what made you say you know let me get out of the bridge like look because such as these great things is happening still the projects on mine I got a little too famous okay because people started like showing up hanging out and you know and girls was coming out there getting mistreated trying to meet me Well, let me get out of here for some idea. I don't want some champagne

But you know I have to get up because you know started getting a little a little little crazy with me living out there All right, people used to be waiting in front of the building for me to come home What was the very moment where you was like this is it? Salute man a motherfucking Marley Marl, nigga. Yeah, it is. Thank you for being here. Salute, everybody. Thank you for being here. What was that one moment when you was like, uh...

The moment came, some girl came to Queensbridge. She must have really, wasn't, you know, she wanted to meet me. She was like intrigued by me. Right. And you got the flat top at the time. Yeah, no doubt. I just started making records. Four finger rings yet?

No, no, no. You know, I never bought rings and chains. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, all right, cool. Cars and houses. Okay, okay.

I know what you're thinking. Okay, okay. But a girl got really, like, they really, they disrespected this chick because she was trying to meet me. Wow.

She just came out there to meet me. Like, oh, we can take you to a mug cup. But first you got to do this. Oh, you got to do this. You got to do this. And then I started hearing the story. I was like, yo, I got to get out of here because, you know, that could happen.

Yeah. And you would get blamed for it. I could get blamed. You know what I'm saying? She came out there to meet me and, you know, they just did whatever. You know, this is the hood back then. It's the 80s. So they just did whatever.

And I heard about the story. And I was like, you know, I got to move right now because somebody could get hurt. Right. Yeah. No. It definitely was, you know, it was crazy at that point. What up, Drink Champs Army? Got a really dope company that's, you know, supporting Drink Champs.

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Did you always know Queensbridge was a special place? Because everybody likes to think your hood is like, you know, you like to think your hood is the best hood in the world, but the reality of it, everyone around the world thinks like that.

When you actually thought like that and you guys made the bridge, did you actually was really knowing that Queensbridge is one of those most special places on earth? I kind of felt that it was something special because Queensbridge is set right across from Manhattan. So you can see success over there. You can see from Manhattan. You can see success over there. You can see the money. My windows faced Manhattan

when I was a kid. They didn't face the hood. A lot of my friends whose windows faced inside the hood didn't think about going over there. I saw the lights in Manhattan. I want to be over there. What's the lights in Manhattan. I want to be over there. What's going on over there? I want to be over there.

So my whole thing as a kid was looking out the window, because I lived on Vernon, looking straight over the park. The trees weren't even that high yet. So I'm seeing straight across past Roosevelt. I'm seeing the skyline and the bridge going on the side. I want to be over there where the lights is at. And that inspired me to run to them lights. Right. And that's crazy, man.

Let's make some noise for her right there. So, so, I want to, I want to dip back into the Roxanne movie a little bit.

So, when did you see, did you have approval over anything of this? For her movie? Yeah. She did her thing.

That was her story. That was her story. Yeah, she did her thing that was her story that was her story she did her thing that was strictly her story I'm glad she was able to tell her story because I didn't know

it was that deep like that I didn't know and I was dead like the other personal stuff you didn't know yeah the personal stuff

I didn't know it was that deep so I'm glad she got to tell her story because you know you survive abuse like that.

That's why you have this strong person. Yeah, I didn't know that either. And then you keep your face going, you know, with everybody else and everything that's going on. People looking up to you in a way. So, you know, I got to commend her for that. She got to tell her story. Right. That opens the door for me to tell mine.

Right. People don't want mine yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is one time, I think she's on tour, she kind of tried to make you look bad. Can you explain that? I think, what was that? I think she was on tour and they said that... And the promoters, and the manager stole the money.

Yeah, yeah. It's in the movie. It's in the movie. So, I mean, she didn't make me look bad because I didn't steal the money. Yeah, yeah. It's in the movie. It's in the movie. Yeah. So, I mean, she didn't make me look bad because I didn't steal the money. Right, right, right. The manager stole the money. Right. You know.

Was it like that back then, though? I mean, it was, you know, you got to think. We was like in the early part of hip-hop, so nobody knew what the hell we was doing. Yeah, right. Everybody's like, we was flying from the seat of our pants. Making it happen. making it happen. Next thing you know,

she came to my house and recorded that freestyle, one take joint, like two, three weeks later we were on

private planes going to do shows. Crazy. You get what I'm saying? What? Three shows in

three different states, so we need like a private situation to move around that day. And it's like three weeks later.

Right. Three weeks later after recording the record. Right, right, right. God damn. So we didn't know what the hell we was doing. That's crazy. It got real popular real quick. Right. I don't want to say the beginning of hip-hop, but that was like the stages of hip-hop actually

finding success and actually starting to be on the radio because from there that led to you going on the radio right mr. man mr. man actually I played a freestyle on the Roxanne freestyle or mr. magic's WHB I show Wow back in the day at one time it was in it was like a week before Christmas so it was just crazy that that the record company that grabbed the record they had records out by Christmas they had records out in seven days all over the country. It was like everything just messed up right,

if you know what I mean. Everything messed up. They ran with the cassette. We played from... I didn't even mix the record down to master. I played it. Check this out. I played it on our show,

and we recorded our show playing the record and gave them that tape, and they made the records off that. So a recording of a recording is the wax? A recording from the radio is the wax, yeah. That's why it goes, oh my goodness, because Magic was talking shit over it on the radio. And the record came out like that. And they got it out in seven days and it, you know, it probably did really well. Because it was all over the place.

Rap was new. Roxanne, Roxanne was dope at the time. And then here comes the female. You see how many other records came out after that trying to be Roxanne's whatever, whatever. But it was already too late. Right. If you know what I mean. That's when I realized that I had something.

Because if anybody was following like that I was like oh I gotta make more joints right they following right so I got I got a move on this and that's when I really discovered with the success of that I was like wow you know I started doing shows you know when you know we came out we came out here you came out to miami you know we was all over the place with shantae right you know we used to have the little 808 drum machine and this is you know this is before this is before um luke skywalker was doing um two live crew yeah this one it was like he had the the djs ghetto style ghetto style djs back in there

people could lie but the timeline don't nah for sure if you know what I mean so I came out here with an 808 and we had we put it on some bass speakers

they had used to have the ghetto style DJs used to have a crazy system sound system was insane so you know that they used to have like a warehouse

like a I have no idea I'm lost by the way it's like Luke before he got famous they used to have like a warehouse like a like a i have no idea yeah i'm lost by the way luke before he got famous they used to throw these parties gal style djs and it was like big supermarkets yep but it was a club and they had these big huge sound system speakers as tall as you could see so you know one day i went out there with my 808 she used to do a freestyle and you know what time can't lie timeline can't lie people do you need straight up so i came out here with the 808 put that shit on motherfuckers was like what the fuck everybody ran and looked because he had the big system

hey i'll come with an 808 next thing know, a few years later, Miami got bass. So, you know, I could have been the one that brought the bass to Miami. Woo! With the 808, with Shante back in the day. Because everybody ran to look and see what the hell I was doing. Right. Because they were just playing the records. You came and played original records that played the 808.

No, I brought the 808 drum machine. Oh, the drum machine. I had the actual drum machine. And did it right there. Plugged it into their system. And she was doing a freestyle. And boom. Everybody's like, what the fuck is that? Oh, shit.

Now, how did you meet Biz Markey? Biz, he was another person that came out to Queensbridge to meet me okay and so he hung out there for about a week Queens but yeah he just was hanging out he's on like you know biz biz was like hey where you can't even quarter him I wish to I did you did what's right um nobody beats the biz how do you beat biz. Came out of the bridge. God, get the fuck. Somebody got to buy this apartment, my dude.

Bring it up. Make it a museum. Somebody got to buy this apartment. You know what I'm saying? So he came in. He was like that girl. But he came out to Queensbridge. But he was a guy hanging out.

So he hung out on 12th Street. Yo, where's that Marley nigga at? Yo, he over here. So he hanging with them for a few days. Then he go on this block. Where's that Marley nigga at? Yo, he over here again. So you hanging with them for a few days, then you go on this block. Where that Marley nigga at? You hanging with them, just staying on the block overnight, whatever. Next thing you know, like about the fourth day or fifth day, somebody said, yo, what's a nigga in the hallway beatboxing?

And I was like, yo, I don't want to hear no beatbox ass nigga right now. Buffy's out. Doug E. Fresh. Everybody, you know, like, ain't no room for that right now. Buffy's out. Dougie Fresh. Everybody, you know, like, ain't no room for that right now. He's like, yo,

but he nice. I was like, all right, let me go see him. Soon as that nigga went, nigga, come to my house. Tomorrow.

Tomorrow. You made a quick demo the next, you know, that very next day, which was make the music. Now, now,

now, because Biz cuz biz like I always say I want to play biz in a movie right you know I'm saying because he could he brung comedy like that's that's something that I like I admire about hip-hop I just always felt like hip-hop was so seriously so I suppose so all my videos are always like try to do some type of comedic did how did you know that about this like did you or did you even know that you knew that i i i recognized it when i saw him on stage because he used to you know when he once he started working with sean tater and they started doing little routines and i started saying seeing yo he kind of nice but he he ain't rough like everybody else we fucking with g-rap you know

g-rap will kill you with the lyrics back in them days. And even Shan was nice. Shan was kind of nice back in the day, if you know what I mean. So, when Biz came, Biz, he had some fun.

He was like, he was always joking in the studio, so his rhymes, we kind of never took serious because he's kind of joking and laughing

and all that. And, you know, so he started bringing the comedic side out of us. So, because Kane wrote Nobody Beats the Biz? Yeah. Or no? No.

That was Biz, Olo? I mean, wait for my movie. You'll see. Okay. I feel like Marley was going to say, nigga, I wrote it. He was like, go ahead. Wait for the movie. You'll see that.

Because I do have the original demo. Wow. That wrote it for the movie. You'll see that. Yeah, yeah. That's what's... So you... Because I do have the original demo. Wow. The original original... That somebody else did the verses. Hey, you'll wait for the movie. You'll see.

Wow. Wow. That's hip hop history right here. I'm about to have to ask you to drink, Pauly. But throw it out there, my brother. You got to have a drink with us, brother. Come on. Come on.

All right. Woo. So what else was recorded in the bridge before we move on? Of course the bridge record was. Of course. You know that. Molly Scratch was recorded in the bridge. Of course we know Eric B's President and My Melody was made there.

Roxanne Chanté. The earlier, oh, Take It Off by Spoonie G was made there. I made that there um yeah take it off by spoonie g and what else so so those are my earlier records how were you guys recording the vocals i had a four track with a with a with a mic with no a real four track with the real yeah first my mollyatch was a four track cassette because you know I was already sampling

I already knew how to sample so I was beating people already I could have had a two track and still beat people

because I was sampling taking breaks nobody knew what the fuck I was doing did you you started

sampling for hip hop breaks yeah I don't know if I did or not, but I made that shit fuck on.

Yes, you did. You get what I'm saying? Yes, you did. You know, because my brother and them, you know, the High Fidelity crew from Queensbridge,

they used to play a lot of breaks before I was a DJ. So I had access to their shit because my brother was one of the DJs. When he went to the service,

I had access to all the shit they was playing. So, you know, Nobody Beats the Biz beat was one of their records that they used to rock as a breakbeat. You get what I'm saying? Fly Like an Eagle, that's from their shit. You get what I'm saying? So I would take elements from my brother and them records and, you know, make me seem older. Because it was shit that they used to rock before i was i was able to get on and what point is juice crew getting created all this now

juice crew you gotta think sir juice is mr magic a lot of people run up to me and say mr magic marley maul but they calling me mr magic marley maul that's two people a lot of people don't know mr magic was the first rap the first person to play rap, period, on the radio. And bring it mainstream. Basically, it was compilations that used to come out. Right, right. He used to be on late night, playing the rap music when nobody was even caring about it. You know what I mean?

So he was the first rap DJ. When he went to BLS, that's when I got with him. I became the engineer all-star Marley Mar with the mixing gloves that I never wore so um how did you and Shan

because Shan is from the bridge too obviously Shan Shan's actually from Brooklyn what? Shan's from you're killing my childhood

right now no no no dead ass Shan's from Lefferts Lefferts Boulevard or Lefferts street. You all killing my childhood right now. No, no, no. Deadass though. Where? Chance from Lefferts, Lefferts Boulevard or Lefferts Avenue in Brooklyn. But his mom's father was Gramps. Yeah, you going to lie to people's childhood right now. No, no, no.

Deadass though. His grandfather lived in QB. So he used to frequent it. After he started getting famous, he started staying with his grandfather. But his first contract that I got, it says Lefferts Boulevard. Wow. So MC Shannon's from Brooklyn.

His whole goddamn time. Oh, he bugging. Oh, my God. I tell you, this may be your most important show. Yo, I'm going to be honest, bro. I'm going to be honest. I would have never thought that. I would have never thought you would have said be your most important show. Yo, I'm going to be honest, bro. I'm going to be honest. I would have never thought that. I would have never thought you would have said that just now, man.

This the head bus. Well, big up, big up, big up, shit. You're going to have one. He did rap. He did rap for the hood. Right. You know, he got our story told. Yeah, so how does that happen?

Because this is a legendary record. This is the, whenever you, Queensbridge, they're going to play this record you got telling a story about Nas they tell a story about Mobb Deep that's the first record they gonna go to so how does this come about do you know you're gonna make the anthem for your hood for 30 fucking years now check this out it wasn't supposed to be a record like I said nothing I made was supposed to be a record. That was supposed to be intermission music for Queensbridge Day in the park that I could play in between the bands. So that was like a Queensbridge intermission record for us only. So I played it in the park and I believe that year somebody got killed in the park too

god bless god rest the dead I guess little Jose from 10th street right he got he got he got hit but um that's what it was it was intermission music okay for in between because the bands was hot we wasn't nothing right the bands was the shit the record comes out so what happens after the record is made? That's what I'm saying. Are you and Sheehan looking at each other like, we got the anthem for the hood? No, what he's saying is just the intermission. It's just the intermission.

We made it two years before the public heard it. It was already floating around the hood heavy. My nephew leaked it out. Frito leaked it out to the hood. And then everybody had the tape. I was like, damn.

And then, you know, Lawrence and them was doing Beat Biter. You know, that's when Sham was going to LL. And Lawrence was like, yo, put that on. You know, he from Philly.

Put that joint, put that joint on the B-side. I'm like, nah, man, there ain't no record. That's some shit we made in the house for Queensborough's day. What you talking about?

Nah, put it on the B-side. I was like, yeah, fuck it. Let's let it go it's already leaped out in the hood next thing you know me and shan start doing crazy shows you can you know you know you know the reaction you get a hot joint next thing you know your show appeals start going up and that's why i knew that worked we started getting crazy shows so what comes out after this the bridge is over or the south bronx

south bronx came out south bronx came out because magic see Karis one of them was at power play while I was recording

power play in Queens that's where they made bridge is over they made it in the home yes they did Molly man stop Molly they made that shit in power play in Queens. Yeah, that's what it made bridges over Let me explain this now we use in the studio doing like this Okay, we're only South Broadway talking about should talk about South Bronx or you should talk about Bridges Over, right now?

When we talk about South Bronx, we're talking about the evolution of this situation. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Break it down completely.

Break it down. Now, we're going to take a drink, though, Molly. Come on. We're going to power play studio. Come on, take a drink,

man. We're going to power play studio, right? We're going to power play studio. OK. I'm in the A room.

Yes. BDP is in the B room. They was was but but they wasn't even know nothing yeah just they're making demos just putting a money up going in the lab get me together right now we in the studio you know Skylar rock comes in the room you mr. magic pleased to meet you thank you you know buh-buh-buh could you please come in our room and listen to our shit and tell us what you think so you know mr magic pleased to meet you thank you you know blah blah could you please come in our room and listen to our shit and tell us what you think so you know in my magically i'll be in there later mr magic was very unruly he was he was real mean to motherfuckers you know yeah god bless his you know god bless his god bless so but you know he was he was one of them dudes that

he knew he was a gatekeeper yeah if he if he didn't like you tell you yo, man What the fuck is wrong with your haircut? Mr. Magic so you're Molly now, this is you know, I'm just magic engineer DJ. How old are you at that time? Gotta be about, could be about 17, 18 or some shit. I'm mad skinny because I ain't make money yet. You get what I'm saying? So I'm like anorexic. He's like, yo, come with me, man, in the room and listen to these niggas shit. I was like, all right, bet, let's go.

So now we go in the room. They put on some song. They all going. They jumping all crazy around the room Mr. Magic's looking around he just goes over to the volume knob turn that shit down Now you know how it is in the studio and just get silent He looked at I said yo, that's just bullshit The cameras were yeah and it's got The whole crews like a whole got all those motherfuckers.

The whole crew was like a whole room full of motherfuckers. It was just me and Magic. Right. And they could have just started squaring off if it was real like that. But I guess it wasn't because that was a square off moment. Right. You know what I'm saying? Disrespectful. Yeah, it was real disrespectful.

Yo, that's bullshit. Right. He said, yo, you want real hip-hop? MC Shan, Roxanne Shante, Marley Mar, Mr. Magic. Man, get the fuck out of here. He just walked out the room on these niggas. The American West with Dan Flores

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It wasn't South Bronx. Okay. If you know what I mean. It wasn't nothing like the album. They regrouped their shit. So they didn't play South Bronx? That wasn't the record? Nah.

Oh, okay. Nah. They played some other shit. Did that record ever come out? Did they play? I don't know. So you guys ignited that shit. So Mr. Magic is from Queens?

Mr. Magic is from Brooklyn. I thought Mr. Magic was from the Bronx. He's from Brooklyn, but he moved to the Bronx. Okay, okay, okay. And then after that, that put fuel in that shit. Now, he dissed us like that. So everybody he said in they face, they put on the record. Roxanne Chanté is good for a video game.

Oh, damn. MC Shane, Marley Mar. You know what I'm saying? Everybody who we put in their face, they dissed. They might have made that record that night. They could have got the fuel that night to make it. Niggas got the bridge out, man. Fuck that South Bronx. You know, that could have fueled that.

But next thing I know, I hear South Bronx. And I'm like, to South Bronx and I'm like I'm like to be honest I was like yo niggas ain't gonna believe these niggas man fuck them niggas

that's how I felt about it at first like nobody gonna believe them niggas man cause you know number one we ain't say that I didn't think people

was that dumb kinda to believe that shit to believe what? that that that he said that we said hip hop started in Queensbridge but we didn't say that shit so To believe what? That, that, that he said that we said hip-hop started in Queensbridge,

but we didn't say that shit. Right. So I'm like, we didn't even say that. I'm like, when people smarter than that, they ain't gonna believe that dumb shit, because we never said that. Who's gonna believe this dude? Next thing you know, that shit became a hit. I'm like, that made me think that, damn, that niggas is like kind of slow. Especially at that time. That made me really think that. I was like, yo, but you know, it's all good because, you know, we need the chicha in hip hop. It was history.

And I'm glad we made history. But in the beginning, I was like, I didn't think nobody was going to believe that shit. Because we never said that. Right. And so, so Shen's like, yo, let's go back in the lab and let's go make Kill That Noise. Kill That Noise. You know, which I believe should have been like a three verse record. Or maybe two verses. Because the first two verses are in the track.

The track was kind of dope. Then they came back with The Bridge Is Over. Which, you know. Which is crazy. Which was crazy. And so that day, we rushed out of the studio when Magic dissed them. back with the bridge is over which you know which is crazy it was crazy and so that day we rushed out of the studio with magic distant I leave my drum reel my mods my magical drum reel that may Eric Greece president that made nobody

beat the biz that maybe you're going with this one I should say they took that they take the box the drone take the drum reel and that's the drums on bridges over one number on the SP 12 That's why that shit is so funky. He's like, it's knocking. That's why he's knocking. That's my shit. It's knocking. That's my shit. That's why. They could lie and say, yo, we took it from Eric B's president. That's my shit.

That's why it sounds so motherfucking funky. Wow. Wow. I don't think Karis want to tell us that part. No, I don't think so neither. This is going to be the most important show. I'm going to tell y'all some more. I think he loved that part out.

You got to leak the book on drink change right now. I think he left that part out. So, The Bridge Is Over actually comes out. You said you don't believe this, but what was the biggest backlash of that? Was it a moment where you felt uncomfortable? I was serious. I wasn't fucking with them. Chan did tours with them and made commercials and all that.

But later, not during that time period. That was a little after because remember they had a Sprite commercial? They asked me to be in a Sprite commercial. I was like, no, I ain't fucking with that, man. Y'all go get that. Y'all go do that because I wasn't fucking with them. For years and years, I ain't fucked with all that. I was like, I went and started producing G-Rap.

You get what I'm saying? I was G-Rapping Kane. I just went to the next level and shit. But, you know, I never wanted to make money with it. I was like, man, go ahead with it. I didn't want to be in no commercials, none of that bullshit. But was it a time where you felt shaky? Because, you know, when you have good battles,

like real good battles, they'll say that once a person leaves, the other guy's finished. Was it ever a time you felt like that because of that record or no? Nah, I felt that I had more in the bag. Yeah, because you were a producer. I had more in the bag.

I was already working with G-Rap already. He was in the bag. Yeah, because you was a producer. I had more in the bag. I was already working with G-Rap already. He was on the low. We probably had a demo already. You know what I'm saying? So I was already on, you know, and then Kane was hanging around. You know what I'm saying? So I was like on the next phase already. So I let that one go to where it was going.

How are you now with K-Rap? made that album one of his biggest selling now we made Hip Hop Lives it's one of the biggest sellers that's one of his biggest sellers you know that was years after because I only did that because I read his bio because for years I didn't you know I forgot about these niggas in the studio that day that magic Disadvant people's like this so so regular I don't remember the in disney's niggas at power play for one guy I read his bio and it said in his bio mr.. Magic. This does a power play and I was like For years all of years, I know why they were so mad at us I was like why these niggas mad at us, man?

We killing shit out here. Right. Yo, we changing the game. What the fuck y'all mad at? Makes sense. You get what I'm saying? So I never fucked with them. Right.

What the fuck y'all mad at? We slaying the game. Right. You get what I'm saying? Right. So I never understood. So once I saw that years later, oh, that was them dudes. Now it all makes sense.

I saw Chris one day. I was like, yo, Chris, I didn't know y'all was them niggas that time in the studio. And me and him started laughing about it. I said, yo, man, we should do something. And then we fucked around and did that album. But that's how that all happened. But I wasn't fucking with none of that shit back in the day. I took it very serious.

I took that shit Vernon Boulevard serious. All right. Now, was there a rumor that Just Ice came to Queensbridge one day? I don't know. Okay.

I don't know. Anybody could come to Queensbridge. Yeah, yeah, of course. Come out in the morning time, 10 a.m. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course. Of course.

Of course. I'm singing that, niggas still singing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, I'm going to be in the,

you know, nobody going to go start no shit in the music. No, because I always'm not here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I'm going to be in the, you know, nobody's going to go start no shit in this music. No, because I always thought that the beef was like respected. Like I always thought like, like, like, like Cher knew

what it was and KRS knew what it was. So they, like you said, it was. I think that's how it ended up. That's how it ended up.

Because they started doing shows together. They started doing the commercials and doing a lot of stuff. we get it. It was none of that Nah, I wasn't fucking with it. I never fucked with it at all I never you think you think you would like it would have been violence if you It's crazy, I'm glad I'm glad I'm saying? Yeah. It's crazy. I'm glad. I'm glad we got over that. I just think we brushing over Juice Crew like that.

No, no, no. We going back to Juice Crew. Y'all not like the Marvel comics of hip hop. I think Juice Crew was like the epitome of what the firm was supposed to be and these other certain things it's supposed to be. But the Juice Crew was the first. It inspired all that. It was definitely a blueprint. It was a blueprint for what was next to come even cold chilling was

a blueprint for like bad boy yeah and cash money records like that and i didn't own cold chilling i was a staff what that was an owner cold chilling holy moly i was a staff producer i always took you on my dude let me tell you what i my first job with Cold Chillin', I was a staff producer. So they would have, I would pop up with the artists and go in the studio. I was making $65,000 a year the first year. Then when we got with Warner Bros., I started making $200,000 a year. But I still live in Queensbridge making $200,000 a year. Wow.

And my rent was like $150. You're scashing it. I had to get the fuck out. Yeah, man. You had to leave. You had to leave, man. I had to get the fuck out of there, man. I fucking paid the rent for like 20 years and shit.

Right. So, you started working after Shan shan after shantae is that when big daddy cane comes in the picture i'm not g-rap g-rap cool g-rap um g-rap is from corona corona corona and slash left rack into the left rack a little while i'm gonna figure it out in my building i think i believe they call them abdul right yeah okay polo used to go to school with me okay going to wild ass schools because i never when i was in school they kicked me out of every school period because i was you know robbing everybody you would never think that

but i was the nigga robbing niggas you know go i was i was so nice i could go in the closet in school and go up in the vent and come down to another classroom and go through their pockets. Wow. I was nice with it. Spider-Man. Spider-Man and Queen's Ridge. You know what I'm saying? I told you it was the Marvel shit, Bob. So from that, they kicked me out of regular schools in fifth grade.

So I had to go to 600 schools. It was like junior jail type shit. You had no 600? I went to Ridgewood. I went to school in Ridgewood. I went to Ridgewood. I went to school. I went to PS4. There's nobody alive from that school right now. Right, God bless.

Nobody's alive. Damn near. But, you know, and I went there, and, you know, and I met Polo. Polo was in my class. So, you know, after I got famous, me and Polo stayed cool, and I was like yo man make a group or something man do something man get a rapper and I told him get a rapper you know I rock I rock with you and shit and he had his new dude named Frosty Freeze first that was his first rapper they made a record

called Polo Polo whatever and then you know it was whatever he went to jail he's still in jail to this day I don't know what the fuck he did. Wow. But then he got G-Rap, Abdul. Abdul was, you know, then that's when the whole, my whole production started changing because G-Rap. Now, G-Rap is on some different shit. That's when I started, you know, sampling up the It's a Demo shit, the funky drummer shit before everybody. Because, you know, he was on that gangster shit early.

I mean, real early. Early. Before I ever heard it anywhere else. I was always hearing G-Rap telling little gangster stories and street stories and shit. So that's why I was fucking with him. He is a... And then we moved up. Then we started you know biz then we started

doing um you know um cane cane you know what cane was this is this who flat top rules in 89 cane or is this who's afro not so much talking about he's talking about he's business writer and i believe him cane time not so much over the afro he didn't have the high top figure okay so it was Queen's rest and I just want move the story okay okay okay you started coming up you move to the story just move right down the block when I got my first got some money, I moved right to Corona. From Leprechaun, I did the same exact thing

as my dad's in Israel, I'm laughing. And I thought I was away. Yo, in the townhouse, right? In the townhouse, yeah. In the Corona, I think it's like, nigga, I can still see you, nigga. What do you mean, you ain't leaving? But it was a townhouse.

Oh, you had a townhouse? Oh, you had a townhouse. My shit looked like a townhouse, it was still a regular apartment. So, you moved on to story. Yeah. And then go ahead. Now, business league, some Afro looking stick up nigga

knocking on my door talking about, yo, I write for biz. I'm like, you know the burner right here. I got the door halfway open and shit I'm like if you write for him tell me something that didn't come out yet

and he told me one of the rhymes I was like open the door come in and shit I write for Biz and he's late I had this for him

for today so we sitting there he's like yo you know I want to see how I sound on tape cause he wasn like yo you know I wanna see how I sound on tape cause he wasn't trying to be

I mean he was a rapper already he was dope but he wasn't really flexing to us that he was a rapper because

their whole thing was let Biz get on first and he's gonna open the door for everybody you know what I'm saying so he was you know

he just wasn't doing protocol. And he's like, yo, you know. That was honorable shit. Yeah. Yeah, it was very honorable. But when we was in the room, and he's like, yo, you know, I always want to see our sound on this joint. He said, you know, I'll take you there.

And I whipped it up real quick. I'll take you there. And that was the first recording I ever made with him while we was waiting for Biz. We made I'll Take You There, his first record. Wow. And I went to the record company like, yo, Biz's writer is the shit. He need to come out. They was like, nah, man, he's the writer.

They was trying to front. Oh, backseat Kane. Yeah, they was trying to front at first. So what I would do with kane just record around everybody just come to the studio when so-and-so don't show up yo kane come to the lab bye-bye so we started doing his album kind of behind the scenes but the first the record company they they fronted on kane they said no that's business writer he ain't no rapper but they ain't hear him i did i was like no that nice that that nice enough to come back later and change the motherfucking game.

Wow. So he's coming up. Right. With an afro. With an afro. Right. And you said Magic told him? Magic was like, yo, you ain't getting on stage representing for us with your hair like that.

Word up. Magic was on some shit, kid. He said, yo, you ain't getting on stage representing the Juice Crew with your shit like that. And then I think that's when the high top fake popped back with the high top fade. Z! All right. So you got to see Kane go from, like, come up. Well, you don't know that.

Because at one point, Kane was like Jay-Z of now. How did that feel, getting to see that process? It was really good because at that point, that's when Kane changed rap. After Raw, rap was never the same again. It was never the same again. It was never the same again. Break that down for us. Before Raw, before I made that record Raw with Big Daddy Kane, everybody was whopping.

It was the cadence. It was the... All them records was WAP records. You couldn't WAP to Raw. That was that shit that made your face go, who the fuck is that? After that, For two years

Straight Roar Had to be the last record Played In the club In the club At the end of the night Because you can't play

Nothing after it It was so dope People had to catch up to that Wow You get what I'm saying So when Rakim First came to my house You know Rakim

You know I saw an interview Where he said Oh Mar, Marley tried to change my style. I didn't try to change his style. I was trying to bring him to where it was going. Because eventually he went there anyway. You get what I'm saying? The first record was my melody. Then Eric B. Spezza took it a little faster.

You get what I'm saying? saying but my my initial idea when i first heard rock him was to speed because because king was doing 130 something already you get what i'm saying king was already speed yeah yeah he was already speeding he was already rhyming off for fast beats so and then later on in rock him career i let the rhythm hit him so and so-so so-and-so everything's fast because Kane Kane made it Kane changed the game with raw that was it nobody couldn't what make what records no more it was it was already public enemy came out speeding LL was speeding everybody was speeding because Kane took the tempo up Kane made motherfuckers want to quit. I know motherfuckers come to me, that niggas love saying,

when I first heard motherfucking Kane, I was going to quit. Because that nigga was nice. He changed the motherfucking game. And he was smooth with it. Then once the bitches started liking him, it was over. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was over. And then he did Madonna and all that kind of shit.

Yeah, he went pop. He moved out to LA. You know, we ought to excuse that. Nah, we talking about him. He moved out to LA, but you know, sometimes, you know, like we was pioneering shit. We know what he's getting into. Right. But you know, he got Hollywood. He did the Hollywood thing.

Do you ever look at this new generation and be disgusted? No, I look at it as evolution, bro. Evolution in a good way or evolution in... Was we evolution in a good way? Word. You get what I'm saying? I get it. The people who don't like what the young kids is doing, you too old.

Word. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Because when I fell in don't like what the young kids is doing, you too old. Right. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Because when I fell in love with what I was doing, I was about 18 years old. So whoever's 18 years old probably fall in love with what they're doing right now. And that's their shit. Niggas in their 40s and 50s, man, shut the fuck up. Man, let these niggas do what they do.

Let these niggas do what they do, man. Yeah, y'all know who I am. To be honest, to be straight honest, I'm sure when I came out with Sampling, niggas were like, that ain't music! What the fuck is he doing? You get what I'm saying? Everybody's like, man, fuck that! That ain't music!

The musicians was mad at me. I'm Sampling. Fuck you musician niggas. Now, I got a butt in the press. But what? They was probably saying the same shit about us. Exactly. You know what I'm saying?

So, I just call it evolution, man. Let these little niggas do what they do. Let them do what they do. Let right but what they was probably saying the same shit about us exactly You know I'm saying so it's I just call it evolution man Let these little niggas do what they do man if they want to mumble mumble on niggas fuck that do that shit If that's what they want to hear Okay shit. I told niggas around the way. Yo, you ain't mumbling niggas ain't trying to even hear you Better get your mumble on Yo, if you ain't mumbling, niggas ain't trying to even hear you. They can't hear you, but they ain't even trying to get you. You know what I'm saying? You better get your mumble on.

That's what I'm telling you. Molly, tell them to get their mumble on. You better lose right there. That's all. Get your mumble on, nigga. Bumwuffles getting paid out here riding in private jets. Yeah, that's very true. Shit.

Come on, why they mumbling? Now, Molly, come on, bro. Now, Wally, how the hell did you miss Nas? How you didn't sign Nas? You know what?

The funny shit about Nas with me with Queensbridge, I never knew Nas rhymed. He never came to me. He would always stand on the side and watch. So you're saying like that shit

in the, the, the, the Roxanne movie was like, does remember he rhymed for her? He was fucking with her like that because Shantae was a street girl, so she knew everybody all over the hood. Of course. But Nas never stepped to me because I had Cormega.

Cormega had Sex, Drugs, Bitches, and Money song out in the hood. Yo, listen, I heard it called Mega first. He was the first guy I heard from Queens, which was like underground. Of course. Prior. That's why Nas probably never stepped in me, because I already had Mega.

Right. Mega was fucking with me, but he kept going to jail. Mega? Yeah. Oh, I'm about to say, damn, Nas, you got a whole other life for you. No, no, no. Mega kept going to jail. Yeah, I remember that. you know even you know even with Percy tragedy back in the day You know used to live on my block

He went to he went to um he went to jail out there in control So you know I made sure he came home the money you get what I'm saying, so you know all right boom, but You know him and mega kept going to jail So I couldn't really get it how it needed to be because they would come home, make some hot shit. Next thing you know, they're gone for a minute. I'm like, damn, what the fuck are we supposed to be doing while you're gone for a minute?

You know what I'm saying? Mega had sex, drugs, bitches, and money. That was some song he made in Queens, which before anybody was on that shit. Wow. Now, but he went to jail. Yo, man, I'm going away. We in the studio.

Yo, I'm going away next week. Yo, where you going? I'm going to jail. I got to do like three points up. I'm like, what the fuck you talking about? I got to do like three, maybe four or five, whatever. I'm like, oh, come on, bro. So that's why, you know, with Nas,

Nas never really stepped in me because that street shit he was on, I already had those dudes, the certified cats from the hood. I already had Mega, and the second verse on Live Motivator, that's the blueprint of Queensbridge. Anybody that's hearing my voice, go listen to the second verse of Live Motivator. And that's the blueprint of what was yet to come. Right. You ever regret it? You not step into Nas?

Nah. Nah. Nah. Because I understood what it was when they came to get Nas. What do you mean? Like, you know, when the industry came to get Nas.

I understood what it was. You understood? Yeah, I understood. They needed him. You know what I'm saying? They needed a representative to get Nas, I understood what it was. You understood? Yeah, I understood. They needed him. You know what I'm saying? They needed a representative from Queensbridge, the place I made hot. Right.

Even with Mob, the Mob. Right. I understood what it was all about. Right. They needed part of that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And that was the next generation of it. So, you know, by that point, I think by the time Nas came, I was already probably working with LL. So I was, there was something different going on in my life. Okay, the loudest nigga in the room. What a fucking... Where's all that noise at?

We got a ball, Paul, goddammit. So, damn, so you niggas, I woulda thought that would be something you woulda said, you wish you was a part of. I mean, I wish I woulda produced one of the records on the first album. Illmatic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know me, I do old albums. Right, right, that's hard.

You get what I'm saying? That's hard. And the first, Bobb Deep premiere was the one that executive produced that one, right? The Hit It From the Bag, Project Horror, yeah. Oh, yeah, the earliest one. The first, first, first, first one before that. I don't know who executive produced that. Yeah, no, it's Premier.

Premier was involved in that project. Okay. And how about that? What mob? Mob, I mean, I understood what it was with Chris Lighty and them, God Rest the Dead. I understood that they needed a piece of that, Queensbridge. Right. Queensbridge was bubbling at that point.

You know, they needed in. So I get it completely. I already know what it is. The spot was hot. Right. The spot was know, they needed in. So I get it completely. I already know what it is. The spot was hot. The spot was hot, baby. I know, it's interesting because me being from Left Rat

and me hearing like you and Traj having turmoil, right? And then me being a part of, we had a record called L.A. L.A. and he was,

it was the first person he thought of was you. And I was like, it was weird because I always thought you had like some type of thing and he came to you. And I was like it was weird because I always thought you had like some type of thing and he came to you and it was it was actually like dope to see it was dope to see grown men and it was dope to even do that project man right did you know did you ever think

that if tragedy never met me if we would be sitting here right now. That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Trash put me on. You put trash on. So in a way, if you don't exist, I might not be here. We might not be sitting here. We might not be sitting here. You put him on as Intelligent Hoodlum

at that point? He was the super kid. Before Intelligent Hoodlum? Yeah, he was the super kid. I didn't know this story. The super kid. Woke up one morning, turned your radio on

Couldn't see your brothers And your brother was gone The tragedy Won't happen to me Yeah he's saying the tragedy Yeah That's how he got his name From that record

Wow People start calling him Tragedy Because of that record And he just ran with it Yo I'm rocking with that I'm trapped So that's how

He used to make records back then He used to make it And throw it out Just make them Wow And I used to make records back then? You used to make it and throw it out? I used to make them. And I used to be like the radio DJ for Magic. So I was able to use it as a promo first and then watch it go. So how did you link up with Traj? How did you even meet him? He used to use from the block. Okay. It's like with Craig G. Craig G's from my

building. Craig G. Craig G from my building in Queensbridge. Trajy was the little dude that lived on the block on the first floor. They used to jump out the window and go to the park jams. You get what I'm saying? You know, we all grew up on the same block, so we all knew each other. I knew his moms, step pops. It's like, you know, everybody's on the same block. So, you know, and it started getting warm, and they started rhyming.

I was like yo let's let's go make something you know and the funny shit contracts was fucked up

back then we did a lot of shit and just got paid that one time but that's part

of what it was if you understand so um Master Ace I was about to say that

because that's Brooklyn right Master Ace won USA USA Skate and Ring Contest say that because that's Brooklyn, right? Master Ace won USA, the USA Skating Ring Contest. What was that? That's at Jackson Heights?

Yeah, the skating rink in Jackson Heights. He won the skating ring contest to go in the studio with me. So we made one record, but he was nice. I was like, you know, he was real nice. He was too nice to be

where he was at, if you ask me. I feel bad for his situation with Cole Chillen because he was real nice. He was too nice to be where he was at, if you ask me. I feel bad for his situation with Cold Chillin' because he was too nice and they didn't know. You know what I'm saying? Because they was already focused in. At the time, Cold Chillin' is the stars is Kane. Right. It's G-Rap.

Right, right. Is Shantae on Cold Chillin'? Yeah, Shantae was there. Shane was there. Oh, Shane is on Cold Chillin' as well? They are. The whole Juice Crew was there. Damn, bro. So he came after everybody was popping and they couldn't really see what he was good. And Shan was there. Oh, Shan is on Cold Show as well? They are. The whole Juice crew was there. Damn, bro.

So he came after everybody was popping, and they couldn't really see what he was bringing. It was later when you had Master Ace Incorporated. That was Delicious Vinyl? Yeah. That's when it really popped off. Right. That's when he popped off. I always felt Ace.

That he had something special. Crazy, yeah. But it was just too crowded up there at that minute. A lot of turmoil was going on. A lot of that bullshit was going on. Now, was you working with LL before Trackmasters or after Trackmasters? It was before. It was before.

Yeah. Yeah, they tried to relight that fire when they put him with them, thinking that they could do what I do. Even though they were just using all my samples back anyway. All right, we sampling you back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I'm glad I got publishing because the Jay-Z and Maya joint they made

put my daughter through school. Thank you, thank you, trap masters. Jennifer appreciates that. When a person does sample you, is it honor or like, how do you feel about that? Well first, they better make a hit because we trying to make money if you sample me. Right. Don't sample me on no flops.

Right. But you know, a lot of people don't know that that song, Theraflu. Can a young nigga get money anymore? Kanye. Kanye saved my life. People don't know. No, I never heard of this. People don't know.

Theraflu. Yeah. You know, can a young nigga get money? But remember, LL said that on the record too? Yes. So we owned a lot of that record, the Kanye record. And it came at a time when shit was a little

funky for me and it really changed my life. I gotta like, thank you Kanye because you kind of changed my life and don't know.

Wow. But when you made that record, it made so much motherfucking money that it was a life changer. If you know what I mean. And I wanted to

thank him for that. He probably don't know, but you know how shit, we have our ups and downs in life. So you know what I mean. And I wanted to thank him for that. He probably don't know, but we have our ups and our downs in life. So it was on a downward spiral. And one day I got a call. Hey, we want you to clear Theraflu. You're a writer on it. I'm like, what are you talking about?

Well, Kanye's going to do it on Soul Train tomorrow. You need to approve it. What are you talking about? I never got nothing to do with that song. And I listened to it and You need to prove it. What are you talking about? I never got nothing to do with that song. And I listened to it and I didn't catch it. I looked on Ask Captain and saw me as a writer. Damn, for you to not catch it. I didn't catch that shit. And that shit was popping for like two summers. And I was hearing

that shit for two straight summers, popping to it and everything, not knowing. But yo, by the time, you know, by the time everything tallied up and everything came around and the publishing popped, it was life changing. Were you ever on the other side of that issue about sampling? Yeah.

I got sued for Around the Way Girl, impeached the president on Around the Way Girl. And the asshole that sued me gave me the record. But he went back and brought the rights to it after I sampled it and put it on all these hits and then sued me

you get no pub I ain't even gonna say your name okay cool but that Dayla's the one that cut like that's when that whole sampling thing started right Biz Markie

Biz Markie was the first fucked up sampling case that somebody won for sampling. It was Gilbert O'Sullivan Alone Again Naturally and he used it on his record and got sued. And that's when all the lawyers

realized, you can sue for sampling. Then everybody started coming out suing everybody. But Biz Marquis, after I stopped producing everybody for Cold Chillin', they started trying to replicate what I was doing for them.

But sampling, when I used to sample, it used to be kick, snares, hi-hat, and I'm making my own beats, making my own shit out of it. I wasn't looping half of the records and shit like that and acting like I produced something. You were just taking sounds. Taking sounds and manipulating the sounds

and making my own patterns and putting stuff over it. That's how I started sampling. Maybe I'm the first, to be honest, maybe I'm the first person to chop up a beat. Maybe I'm the first person to chop up a beat To make it unrecognizable to make you not to make my own soup out of it I could take a kick a snare and put my own pattern at it You know like like Eric B's president like nobody beats the biz and those are that's in peace the president But I haven't I'm making my own beat out of that sound

All right, so I'm the first to do that And then he's the president's the tragedy record. That's arrest the president's right arrest the president was on Tragedy record later on what kind of flack did you have received back then? I guess we're gonna make a rest of president right now. I think this is making fake fuck Donald Trump songs and left and right, right? I'm like back then, yeah, but back then, he had a few visits. Yeah?

Secret service? Yeah, he probably had a few visits. Wow. Him personally. You gotta ask him. He told me a story. Reagan era?

He told me a story or two about he had a visitor too. And this is when hip hop, because now remember, we had fuck the police from N.W.A. Right. So now he's saying arrest the fucking president. Right. And you produced this, correct?-hop, because now remember we had Fuck the Police from N.W.A. So now he's saying Arrest the Fucking Presidents.

And you produced this, correct? No doubt, no doubt. 1989. Yeah, so the backlash, so you didn't get none? No. Oh, okay. All right, cool. Well, God damn it.

Let's make sure, yeah, some scary moments right now. Because we're living in a scary time right now. Real crazy. Real crazy. What is the craziest thing that you saw that said, man, I got to fall back? We out of line. The craziest thing I've seen is how certain entities and people want to keep our people stupid. If you know what I mean.

That's like blackballing type of stuff? No, no, no. They want to keep, you know, like, kind of like, keep it where you don't have to be intelligent to make a lot of money. Keep us, you know, make people have to stoop down to go back and revert to get on. What do you think about streaming? Streaming is the shit. It's the new, you know, it's the new money-making app. As opposed to, you know, buying my record or buying my property, now you can stream it.

Now I can still make money. The more streams you make, the more money you make. You don't have to actually download my album. You just keep listening to it and it could spread like it's viral goes viral right streaming streaming was good they had to do that they had to get a hold of this digital it was out of control first but when CDs first came they started getting digital and mp3s and the Napster shit that's the end after you know they would say a CDs was like the most expensive

shit on the labels were disrespectful with CDs the way they were overcharging for what it was causing them. Right. But when digital came out, that's when everything started. They had to learn how to control that. Now, streaming is the way to control it because if you're streaming it from a site, that's generating money now. Advertised revenue for them that they got to pay out as royalties. Of course. You're looking at these artists right now.

They don't care about sales. They don't care. They get money off streams. Right. And that's what it turned into. The industry had to figure out how to make money off of digital because they was losing in the beginning. Yeah. That's a real talk.

So now your catalog, does that, all your catalog, do you get streamed? Some of the stuff, the later successful stuff, yeah. Because a lot of my earlier stuff was just what it is. It's just digital wasn't even in the contract. Yeah, digital, to be honest, digital was never in nobody contract. In nobody contract, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't a thing as digital.

Yeah, it wasn't nobody. It was all physical. I was wondering when the heart of the analog day right I was wondering when the industry message when the industry was going to sue for digital rights because as artists we never signed for this yeah y'all just took it there Chuck D sued Universal one see well Chuck D was killing with internet radio early on he was always ahead of the curve yeah but everybody signed contracts and didn't sign for streaming and then sign in one. See? Well, Chuck D was killing it with internet radio early on. He was always ahead of the curve. Yeah. But,

everybody signed contracts and didn't sign for streaming and didn't sign for digital. It wasn't in our contract. They just took it. Yeah. And made that concept and want to pay you what they want to pay you.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They just want to give you what they want to give you. It's probably not what we deserve because sales probably was more.

We probably get like 3.2% of a penny every stream when we was getting 12% or nothing before alright you get what I'm saying so we could be getting less but it's just what it is I was wondering when the artist was going to step up to that

no that's real we got to do that. That was Symphony. Yeah. Whoo! Man. I need to fall back and just tell me how the hell this happened.

You know, on my album cover, you see us at the Jet, the Learjet. I thought that was up Teterboro early. Was you the first dude at Clearport? No doubt. God damn it, that's making it longer. We broke the motherfucking Clearport in, baby. You broke the Clearport in.

That's real shit. We was the first time they saw niggas in the Clearport. It was awesome. Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay, so take it away again. All right. Man, boy, they got me hyped, nigga. Bro, you got me hyped.

You got me hyped, boy. Now, that day, Kane, you know, before that day, Kane and G-Rap made a freestyle off of Raw where they was

going back to back and they went all the way out. It was like something I played on the radio like a few times where everybody

was getting excited about it. You got this in the archives too? Yes, I do. I do. We could drink chance to the archive. We want to put it there.

So what happened, after we made that photo shoot in front of the airplane and the Learjet and all that. And so Kane was like, yo, let's go make a record. And I was like, man, let's recreate that thing y'all did off Raw. But everybody was with us. So we went back to Astoria. That was made in Astoria, the symphony. Oh, my God. It was made in Astoria Project.

Not Astoria Project, Astoria Apartment. Apartment. And so when we get there, Master Ace was there because he was on the album. Sham was like, yo, I'm in Cholera. That's the Cold Chillin' album, right? Yeah, my In Control album. We were in the Lair Jet. We were in the back of it. So now we go and make that record. I'm each other and I'm the whole children album right yeah, my control out on my little edge I mean in the back of it. Yeah, so now we go and make that record

Now nobody wants to run first So then I said let me put master ace on there just to fill up the space cuz he wasn't gonna be on the record Cuz the person at the end at that time was the hot right the hot right so nobody Okay, who's first? Because you're sitting there talking about I don't want to go first. That's probably why I said, I don't care who's first or who's last. Because you're sitting there talking about, I don't want to be first. Nah, I don't want to be first. Nigga, I don't care who's first or who's last. Y'all just rock this and they got me.

Listen closely. So yeah, we came with rhymes. Many in the past was trying to do what I did. That was a kid, bud. Everybody heard his rhymes like, oh shit. This new nigga. this new nigga this new nigga he's the new guy nobody didn't want to be on a record with that nigga hmm that's probably why Shannon show up

Sam was gonna come to that he was gonna be on that record you know I'm saying so he got on he killed it everybody's looking at him like oh shit everybody got heavy in the panic got quiet see G rap over there see So he got on, he killed it. Everybody's looking at him like, oh shit. Everybody got heavy in the pen. It got quiet. See G-Rap over there. See motherfucking Kane over there. And then Craig G did his part, which was hot. And then all of a sudden, they looking at you.

All right, who's going to go? Who's going to go? They don't know. They arguing about who's going to go first. G-Rap or Kane. So your man G-Rap gets on and raps all the way to the end of the beat. He don't give Kane no space. But what happened, I had to cut G-Rap's part down and give Kane some space. What did Kane say right there when G-Rap just went, what are you, he was

just looking at each other like, they always had like an inside competition going on. And I loved it. I felt like all three of them, like G-Rap, Kane, and Rakim. I felt like it was always a secret. Let me explain something to you about the whole creation of Eric B. and Rakim. Okay. I was introduced to Eric by Polo. Damn, Polo got the connects, man.

That's what I'm trying to say. There's a corona. So what it was, Eric B. was hanging around with Polo. So, so that means, that's what I'm trying to say, there's a corona. So, so what it was, Eric B. was hanging around with Polo with us

first. Right? So he saw Polo get with G-Rap and make a group. He's like, nigga, I could do this shit too.

Wait, wait, so G-Rap came before Kane? Oh, I mean, Rakim? Rakim? Yeah. Oh, he stole Rakim. Nah, nah. And then G-Rap came before Kain? Oh, you mean Rakim? Yeah.

Oh, he stole Rakim. Nah, nah. And then G-Rap. Nah. Damn. And no talk of ever Rakim being a part of Juice Crew? No. Because...

That's all I can think about when you keep talking about all this. You know what's crazy? When we first made my melody in Eric B.'s President, I think the Eric B.'s President Day, I gave them demo mixes. I was like, I'm going to mix this next week, so just make a copy of what y'all got. And that was the record. It was all sloppy, shit was all loud, but it was the shit! It was the shit. It's like vocals going up and riding vocals live.

Shit's all loud coming out of nowhere at the end of the records and shit. But that was the record. And that's what people loved. But I'm telling you, I don't think if Eric B. wasn't hanging around Polo, he probably wouldn't have got the idea to do a group. Because he saw Polo do it so easily with us.

He's like, yo, fuck that. Everybody coming up here becoming stars. I could make a rapper come up here too. Yo, can we get the studio tomorrow? I got so-and-so coming. And that's how it kind of happened.

He was hanging around Polo first. Right. Polo kind of like popped it for him. When you first seen Rakim, did you think he was going to be... Because Rakim, I heard you say Kane

changed rap earlier. Rakim changed rap too because he came. Yeah, he definitely. He definitely. He had a dope tone. When I first heard his tone, I knew it was off the motherfucking chain. And I had a bullshit mic and he still was dope.

So I already knew, this motherfucker nice right here. There's something different about his wordplay. I always knew he had wordplay. Right. If you know what I mean. Right. He always had wordplay. And as soon as I heard it from the top, oh, this about his wordplay. I always knew he had wordplay. Right. If you know what I mean. Right. He always had wordplay, and as soon as I heard it

from the top, oh this cat got wordplay. It wasn't that he didn't curse, right? And he didn't curse too. And it was hard motherfucker. I never really peeped he didn't curse. Yeah, he never really cursed. He didn't curse. Word.

You wouldn't think that. Yeah. That was, that was like 10. He never cursed in any way. Word. That's real talk. My child is really fucked up right now. I'm thinking about

everything. Yeah, he was just dope. Yeah, he had wordplay. He definitely had wordplay and flow. When you heard Nas did he remind you of Rakim?

First time you heard Nas? Because that's what everybody say, you know. The first time I heard Nas I think it was it ain't hard to tell. That was the first time I heard Nas I think it was any hard to tell mmm the first time yeah you didn't hear that's a hair time I heard him on the barbecue first yeah that's when everybody's like yo the kid from from the 40s I and back to the grill again wasn't before I don't

think I'm maybe I didn't pay attention to it like that I'm already getting too much money at that time yeah he was out there killing yeah I could have could have missed that one but by the time the barbecue came out that's when that was like oh I want to deal with nothing Jesus what I was 12 I went to help was the Jesus one when I heard him say that shit I was like verbal assassin my architect I went to help us I was like, ooh, this nigga real nice. Verbal Assassin, my architect pleases. When I was 12, I went to hell for something. I was so fucking proud of him. I was like, God, this is how you fucking bounce back, my niggas. I was so proud of the motherfucking hood.

I was like, go ahead, man. That shit was so dope. Gotta be proud, man. You gotta be proud. These new kids from Queensbridge right now, Jay Rose. So just look out for him and shit uh i like his little movement that he got going on that's to my people from left

right block gang but um so what is your favorite era and music my favorite era it has to be like like the Eric B's president era, like 80, I would say 86 to 89, or 86 to 88, it was like something special. It was like special albums came out at that time. It just shifted. Yeah, it was definitely a shift in hip hop. It was a shift.

It was more sample heavy because I taught everybody how to make records. Lyrically it changed. Yeah, lyrically it changed yeah lyrically everybody got better you know what I'm saying you had people digging

digging for shit that you know oh you use that I'm gonna use this you get what I'm saying that was such a great time right there

it probably would never be like that ever again for the music that was such a pinnacle point of everything we love

and it won't go away you know how much I'm working right now around the world DJing just playing for the music. That was such a pinnacle point of everything we love. And it won't go away. You know how much I'm working right now around the world, DJing, just playing that shit? What? No, but talk about that era.

What did you guys think about what was going on on the West Coast at that exact same time? With Eazy-E and N.W.A. and all them coming out. I remember the first time I ever heard

a motherfucking N.W.A. record. Ice-T was already out too. And I think it was the first compilation they put when they all were standing behind. It was like a NWA album. They all were standing behind some warehouse and shit. With the Feel Afresh crew with D.O.C. Yeah. Everybody.

That was like a. What was that? That was. I mean, they ended up putting that out afterwards. It was like a NWA and the Family or something like that. Yeah, NWA and the Posse. Yeah, I mean, they ended up putting that out afterwards. It was like N.W.A. and the Family or something like that. Yeah, N.W.A. and the Posse, yeah. I remember when I first heard shit off of that, Craig G. put me up on it. Craig G. was like, now, I'm a guy that make records.

I'm on the radio. I'm already making hit records. And we're not cursing and shit. But when I heard these niggas, motherfucker, this motherfucker, I was like, this is some crazy shit right here. I knew because every other rapper was too clean.

Them motherfuckers was like, man, fuck y'all, fuck everything, fuck this, fuck that, fuck your mother, fuck your father. Ice-T come before them? Yeah, Ice-T was already out. He wasn't as raw as them at that time. I mean, he was doing his thing.

I think what caught me with them was their beats. I wasn't into the earlier Ice-T stuff because of the music wasn't... It wasn't where we was at. It was on the West Coast vibe, so I missed it a little. So it was Dre's production. Dre's production, yeah, he was looping beats. His drums was crazy. Yeah, he was looping beats and chopping shit and had band motherfuckers playing guitar and shit. I was like, God damn.

These motherfuckers are saying something. It was the shit to me. I was stuck. I was like, when I first heard they shit, I was like, man, these motherfuckers is doing it. And I realized how regional rap was going to be at that point because we could have cared less

what they was talking about. But out there, they cared less what they was talking about. They could have cared less about what the fuck we was talking about because they had their own language. And that's what I seen it happen to rap I go to different countries you know it's fucking people rapping in every fucking language possible yeah right now you know Sam I go it's always some open up

MC or DJ for me whenever I go to any country or whatever they rapping in a language and I'm seeing a progression all over the world in every part of every part of the world yeah every corner yeah 100% and I would never thought it would be like that sitting in my Queensbridge apartment making shit I never thought it would be like that that's crazy that's fucking beautiful thing man hip-hop save fucking a lot of lives fucking Lord of the Lives. Goddamn it. Meet the motherfuckers. Hip-hop saves lives, baby. Hip-hop saves lives. The American West

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, how did you link back up with LL? Like, LL? Because you wasn't with him in the beginning, right? In the beginning, we was arch rivals before, bro.

We was going at it. We made beat by it. Remember, that's why he said, trying to take... Yeah, because we got mad because, you know, the Rock the Bells remix sounded like Molly Scratch. So we was, you know, young, didn't give a fuck,

going like, yo, man, fuck that. Fuck that. You know what I'm saying? But then, you know, later on, you know, L from Queens. You know what I'm saying? Yo, the funny shit about Elle with me is my aunt, my father's sister, raised his wife. Like, my father's sister was Simone's mom's, when she was alive, her best friend.

Wow. And Simone's mom passed and my aunt was like, yo, to my best friend, I'm going to take care of you. I'm going to blah, blah, blah. And I never knew that. Wow.

And later on in life, me and LL kind of found that out. That's why we got kind of tight. Right. Because we was talking about, he said, yo, you know, Aunt Peggy, blah, blah. I said, yo, I got Aunt Peggy.

Seven degrees of separation. Yeah. I got Aunt Peggy too. It's crazy. It was crazy yo, I got an Aunt Peggy. Seven degrees of separation. Yeah. Aunt Peggy, too. It's crazy. It was crazy because he said something about Aunt Peggy one day. And I was like, shit, I got an Aunt Peggy. I was joking. But jokingly, it's the same person.

Everybody calls her Aunt Peggy. Wow. And, you know, she used to work with his family even as the kids was growing up. And, you know know we never knew that that that we was that close wow that's ill yeah that's that was that's my father's sister you know she lived in Jamaica I lived in Queensbridge I didn't you know I didn't know that that's what she was doing but it was it's weird so that, then musically we got together. It was insane. Right.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, we just went out to change. And you had this whole album you had together? Which one was it? The whole album. The whole album. Every record. Which album was this? Mama Says It's An Acrobat.

And that was going at Kumo D, no? I think To the Break of Dawn was actually going at Kumo D, Ice-T, and Hammer. Hammer. Everybody was going to Hammer at that time.

Poor Hammer. I feel bad for him now. Yeah, I know. Looking back at that time. Yeah, everybody was going at him, but a lot of people was mad at him because he made a lot of paper.

Yeah. So, you know, that's a good thing. And it wasn't considered real hip-hop. But you know, that was the beginning of... that should have let everybody see what records they should be making because that's where it went anyway. Everybody want pop. That's where hip-hop is at right now.

Yeah. Exactly what Hammer was doing look quite mumble but you know it's in the same place I go to I went to a future concert before I was like saying to myself 20 years ago this would have been a rock concert the same people in the audience

the same people on somebody's shoulders the same blah blah blah I'm seeing everybody out there I'm like 20 years ago this would have been a rock concert so I see how rap took that spot. So that's how Hammond shit was back in the day. This shit was a rock concert.

You know, before they was doing it. You know, he had hundreds of people on stage dancing. It was like a big production. That's a rock concert. It was killing it. You know, and that's what these, you know, I went to Future Show For an hour and a half

Motherfuckers was losing Their mind Right Straight to every record He's just doing Half a verses And the crowd Doing the rest

Right But yo That was one of the Most intense times I ever seen I'm a fan Right I gotta get it

That's why I can't hate Can't hate these young kids But as a producer You think you could Contribute to that Or would you stick to Whatever you think Your lane is I would reinvent my wheel You wouldn't I can't hate. You can't hate these young kids, man. But as a producer, you think you could contribute to that? Or would you stick to whatever you think your lane is? No, I wouldn't reinvent my wheel. You wouldn't?

I wouldn't. Okay. I wouldn't do it. And I feel like there's room now. It is. For everybody to be in their own lane. If anything, I would do more EDM-ish. Something EDM-ish.

Really? Yeah, something like that. Really? As opposed to trap. I didn't expect that. Yeah, I would do EDM. Yo, dude. Before I started making hip-hop,

I was making electronic music anyway. That's why I had the edge over everybody because I was already tech-savvy. I was working with Arthur Baker, dude. Come on, man. They was making AEIOU, Planet Rock, all these electronic beats, and AEIOU is a sample.

I was an intern watching these dudes. So what I did is I saw what they was doing with these vocals, putting vocal samples. I'm like, yo, I could put hip-hop in that shit. I could put my favorite snare and play it to a beat. Boop. While nobody knew what the fuck was going on. Wow.

And that's why I was able to add the edge on everybody because I worked at Unique Studios and they was ahead of every fucking body. Unique Studios was ahead? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah, they was ahead of every motherfucking body. I like Unique Studios. Technology-wise, yeah. 47th Street? Yeah, 47th Street, 7th Floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was an intern. That's where I started out. That's where I sampled my first, that's where I discovered sampling at Unique. Wow, yeah, yeah. I was an intern. That's where I started out. That's where I sampled my first, that's where I discovered sampling. Wow. At Unique. At Unique Studios.

At Unique. Because I was doing something else and the snare was in there. That's why Tragedy brought us there for the war before the album. Right. So I was playing, I was sampling something else

and the snare went in and I started playing the snare with the beat. I said, yo, turn that bullshit snare down. I started playing my shit and I started thinking. I was like, oh shit. I started playing my shit and I started thinking. I was like, oh shit.

I could take any kick, any snare from any hot record I got home that's proven already and make beats. Nobody was thinking about that shit. All the favorite breakbeats

that everybody would go crazy to and piece of president was the hottest record for any DJ to play for years. Wow. And yo, put that shit on a record.

Every record that I ever sampled those drums with was a hit. Every record that I ever used that was a hit. Because your brain

likes it already. Mmm. It's a science. It's like the music that's out, why do you think every beat sounds the same because your brain likes it already

yeah yeah yeah that's for sure it's the same drums even the vocals the melodies right because your brain likes it already

it's like you know it's almost like a chef if he knows what you like he can add those ingredients to everything he cooks

for you and you're gonna fucking love everything he does it's the same shit damn that's ill yeah it's a science He could add those ingredients to everything he cooks for you and you're gonna fucking love everything he does. It's the same shit. Damn, that's ill. Yeah.

It's a science. That's ill. That's ill. That's ill. Let's give him a big round of applause. I feel like we got Masonic Temple in the show right now. This has been one of the most important shows, yo. Now, like me, right, I got a friend.. Now, Mark, like me, right?

I got a friend. His name is Scott Storch, right? Scott Storch at one time was one of the hottest producers. I seen him literally be outside with a cheese line outside his door. You at one point were the only motherfucker. If you wanted a hit record, you had to see Motherfucker. I imagine your cheese lines was crazy as well. No doubt, no doubt. You'd be surprised some of the people that came to my house, bro.

Back in the days. You'd be so surprised, bro. Let's get some stories. It was crazy. To this day, you still work in your house. You got your own studio. Yeah, I got a lab at the crib. Yeah, yeah.

That worked for you your whole life. Why change it? Yeah, you know, it was a point where I could have bought a big multi-million dollar mansion or an SSL. I wanted to get the SSL console instead. Do you have that in the crib? Not no more. But I was probably one of the first people to get with an SSL in my career.

Because I felt I was gonna make money back. You know, I ain't buying no gold chains and no stupid rings. And for people that don't know, that's the big mixing boards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Powerplay had in the big room. So I was always into buying equipment

because I knew it was like, it's like drug money. I gotta re-up. What I'm gonna do to get better money I gotta get better equipment but I gotta get the best shit on the block but so instead of buying frivolous stuff I would know how much in demand demand you were like I remember like I swear I was young and I remember like I knew if you you had a hit record, it had to be produced by Marley Ball. How crazy was it? It was insane. I mean, I was doing mixes for Prince, Chaka Khan.

They was coming at me all over. One time they even wanted me to produce the Beastie Boys. Wow. That would have been crazy. You didn't do anything with them? That would have been crazy That would have been crazy But I was kind of Like I

I kind of like Wanted to save the culture For what it was I never thought that I mean I dug them But I didn't think that They was

What I was doing If you know what I mean You know I had Rough Rough ass niggas on the beats Right And we wasn't joking Right So You know But it probably would have beeniggas on the beats. Right. And we wasn't joking. Right.

So, you know, but it probably would have been different. I think it would have been dope. I would have gave them a high beat. I think it would have been dope. I would have did what they did. Now I see it. But back then I didn't see it. Yeah.

I didn't see it. I was trying to, you know, keep rap hard and keep it true to what it was. Because it seemed they were clowning hip hop too at one point. Yeah. I get it. So I understand. That's why. Yeah.

But, you know, they did their thing. You know, God rest it. It wouldn get it. That's why. But you know, they did their thing. God rest the one that passed. But you know, they did their thing. But I believe that I didn't produce them because I thought they was clowning what we was doing. I didn't see that that would be the suburbs way in, if you know what I mean. I didn't catch that. Is there anything you ever regret? I regret not producing Michael Jackson.

You had the opportunity? No, I regret not producing him. Oh, not then. That's what I regret, not producing Michael Jackson. That scared me. Yeah, I'm about to say, you set us up bad. I regret that for you. You set us up bad.

All of our hearts skipped. All my favorite group, Guy. Who? Guy. Guy was my favorite group back in the day. I don't know why. Guy was one of my favorite groups. But you got a chance to work with them and you did?

Or a story? No, I wish. I wish I would have. I heard Derrick tell a story. It's only right. We want to talk about the story with the phrasing of New Jack Swing. You know, a lot of people think that Teddy Riley kind of invented New Jack Swing, but me and Heavy D was making records, and he was always talking about his new,

now he's always talking about his swing beats. I can see that. My swing beats, my swing beats, my swing beats. That's before Teddy Riley even got with Uptown. Right. If you know what I mean. So he's talking about his swing beats. So somebody put New Jack on the beginning of the swing beats. And now they formed a whole new way of making music.

But it's the form that made Heavy D started. Wow. So, you know, I was already at formula man Heavy D started. Wow. So, you know, I was already at Uptown earlier in the game, making swing beats for Heavy D. See, people can lie, but the timeline doesn't lie on records. Go back to the early Heavy D records with me before Uptown was New Jack Swing. He's talking about his swing beats that I produced. But what specifically makes up the New Jack Swing. He's talking about his swing beats that I produced. But what specifically makes up the New Jack Swing?

It's just, it was a timing. It's like one, two, one, two, one, two, one, two, one, two. That's the New Jack Swing. Regular was one, two, one, two, New Jack Swing. It's like crackhead music, basically. Oh, that ass. You got to think. one two that's like crackhead music basically you gotta think crackheads used to dance good to the new jacks tell the truth yo

oh look at that there you go no but look it's in the 80's I wasn't about to say that. I was about to say it. How much did cocaine crack affect? Because that's when it invented. Right, right. All the records about crack and all that is about that era.

So how much was that affecting you? Lucky for me, I mean, lucky for me, I mean, I thank God for this day. One day I tried crack. It didn't work. Wait, what? Thank God for that. Yeah, it didn't work. Everybody was getting high, and we was all in the place.

Like, yo, check it out. So the glass maybe had air in it, so air came in instead of crack. And I'm like, oh, man, that shit is whack, bro. I ain't fucking with that. Y'all do that. Give me the weed. You know what I'm saying? oh man, that shit is whack, bro. I ain't fucking with that. Y'all do that. Give me the weed. You know what I'm saying? That was back that time.

So God saved my life by making the air come through nothing. Because I see too many people that the air didn't come through. They're not the same. How many people you seen get high before, Molly? I mean, you just throw it out there. I seen superstar artists get high. Don't worry, no one listens to us Molly Up in there, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna break James house. James' house. I'm not going to lie. I might have got high on Rick James, my nigga. I might have fucked up. You would not smoke any crack.

You would not smoke any crack. I ain't fucked up, my nigga. I tell you what time it's 10 today. I might have said, fuck it. Yeah, one time. Today, I got to do it, man. One time was with Mr. P-Funk himself. George Clinton?

George Clinton. Wow. He's like, yeah, we're going to pray. He does everything. Now, one day I was like. Wait, pray? He said, we're going to pray. Okay, I don't know what that means. It sounds scary. You want to come pray with us? Let's go we're going to pray. He does everything. Now, one day I was like, wait, pray? He said, we're going to pray. Okay, I don't know what that means.

It sounds scary. You want to come pray with us? Let's go in the room and pray. And they talk about praying. You know, they was doing their thing. And I was tempted. I was like, damn, this is like, this will go down in my, it's like a bucket list. I took a hit with this motherfucker.

Right, you can do it with anybody. Right, I took a fucking hit with him. You know, it would have been a bucket list. I didn't do it, but I was really thinking about it. And what was he doing? Assing? No, they was, you know, doing whatever they do. PCP or something?

Whatever they do. I was tempted to do it with him, just so I could say in my mind, I could hide with George motherfucking Clinton. Not Bill. Right. George. George. That's all.

You know, I was tempted, but it didn't happen. Right. Because that was like an ill time. Yeah. That was the first drug epidemic era. You got to see hip-hop go from happy to then you start to hear these records. Maybe that was one of the reasons I had the leaderhood, too. Because it became like at night.

It was like night and living bass heads. Night and living dead. Because now we're used to crackheads, but this is the original crackheads. The Reagan era. Reagan, when the drug war started. When the block was dark, and you see people just walking, like zombies, because I'm 40, I'll be 41 this year,

and I remember cocaine was like a classic drug, and then crack actually, at first, was like the cool shit the cool is the cheap way to get coke into the it was a cheap way Yeah, and then like so you would be you remember like the cocaine era as opposed to the crack era So I do like you because you know cocaine niggas over there they over there There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. Our engineers, Cocaine has. Carlito, my cousin Carlito. Boris from Kindle. No. He is down.

He is down. No, he is down to Cocaine. Listen, EFN, we've been trying to tell you for years, Boris is down.

When he's not around. Oh, God, that shit. Yeah, slippers is down. When Boris. Yo, Boris, let me find out.'t go on that shit. Yeah, slippers. Slippers is down. When the boys. Yo, boys, let me find out. Yo, listen, man.

Yo, that's why he be sweating like that a lot, man. I'm just telling you. You got to pay attention to your friend. I'm just throwing that out there. Basically. I'm sorry. In the cocaine era. In the cocaine.

I remember. Because in the cocaine era, I wasn't really famous yet. Okay. I was still playing in Smitty's After Hours Club. Where's Smitty's at? Oh, okay. In Queensbridge. I saw.

It used to be After Hours. The number spot, man. It's not Chico in the pub? No, no, no. The pub was down the street. Okay, cool. It used to block the competition. Okay.

All right, cool, cool. You know, in the cocaine era, I used to be like a DJ in clubs. And then once I started getting famous, then the climate started changing a little. Crack started coming out in the woos. They started smoking Woolies and shit. You know what I'm saying? And the baddest chick on your block that never gave you no ass was giving out ass for nothing.

That changed the game. What's a Woolie? That's like a dirty? That's a dirty. Okay. That's a dirty. You want to describe to people what a dirty is? Cocaine. He's changed the game. What's a wooly? That's like a dirty? That's a dirty. Okay. That's a dirty. You want to describe to people what a dirty is?

Cocaine. He's smoking the cocaine. You got to talk to the people. I mean, the house could tell us better. Oh! Hazel smoked dirty. He just sniffed. As far as I know, you put Miami. You put Miami.

It's smoking powder. Oh, that's powder. Yeah, it's smoking powder.. Oh, that's powder. Yeah, smoking powder. With weed. With dirty weed. With brown weed and powder in Miami, that's what smoking a dirty is.

Yeah, that's what dirty is. But in New York, a woo was weed and crack. Cracking weed made my eyes bleed. See, Miami, we didn't go that far. That's what he said. That's what Ghostface said. Ray Ward said it. That's Ray, Ray, Ray said it.

Ray said it. Ray said it. Ray said Ray, Ray said it. Ray said it. Ray said it. Ray said it. The crack in weed made my eyes bleed. That's what he was talking about, the moves. Because there was a whole era of that. It was a whole era. And you know, it was rampant.

You know, to be honest, when I was seeing everybody get high, I had to get away from that. That's why I moved upstate. That's why I moved to where I moved. I recorded with you up there. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. You came up to the Spadak. You know,

that's why I moved. I wanted to get away from everybody getting high. It was like too much for me. Wow. Motherfuckers thought they could just come to my house and, you know,

I had the studio just show up and think you're going to come in there and start getting high. So let me just describe, let me describe this. They just get, this is glass pipes, correct? This has got to be looking crazy.

We're talking about smoking crack. Yeah, I mean. No, I'm talking about freebasing and showing off your crew. No, I'm talking about hitting first. Okay. And then once crack came in, it got a little crazy. Why? Motherfuckers just thought they could just, you know.

It was like recreational. Mm. What? At one point, crack was recreational. This episode went really dark. I just don't think it just you know it was like it was like recreational Bring out the son of this bitch. What's the hit that was made? That was around. We need to know. Drink Chance, we love cocaine stories. Just say no to drugs, kids. I could tell you, one of the artists came to my house,

seen him have so much coke, I found him in the bathroom, sprawled the fuck out. He went to the hospital and got an operation, and I just leave it at that. So no record was made? Oh, shit. I'll leave it at that. And it's one of your favorite artists.

Oh, my god. I just leave it at that. I don't know why I think I know. Wait for the movie. Wait for my goddamn movie. I think I know. Wait for my goddamn movie. I don't know what to do.

And then take a BB gun. Oh, my god. And then take a BB gun. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more. Wait for my time. Take a more. Take a shot.

Take a more. That's like a BB gun. Now, you know that famous freestyle is Kane, Jay-Z, I think Pac's in it. Were you there? Nah, nah. We're Brooklyn at freestyle. That shit was crazy. Yeah, that was crazy.

Mr. C actually, he recorded that. That's his record. That's his recording. Right. He recorded that crazy. Mr. C actually, he recorded that. That's his record. That's his recording. Right. He recorded that live. Right. He recorded it live and threw on the beat for them. And, you know, that's another history making moment right there. You know, who would think that Mr. C would even discover Biggie? If you know what I mean. That's like, that's part of the tree, too. Part of your tree. Of course. Yeah. Of course. And Biggie was incredible.

Biggie was one of the dopest rappers that could cling on a beat better than anybody. I mean, I do magic with other artists to make them be on a beat nice. And Biggie shot you out. Of course. Of course. And I didn't know what that meant when he first did it. I didn't know that 30 years later it would still mean something. What that was going to mean to you?

Yeah, what it would mean because that put me into a whole other generation, and the record just keeps playing anyway. It plays every day somewhere. And, you know, people may not have known about my production or what I'd done for hip-hop or who I brought out or who I discovered or nothing they just know Biggie mentioned my name on the record that they keep hearing so I didn't know the significance of that I kind of slept on it at first oh he's oh shit he said my name that's cool but where he says it it's kind of like Jappy Japper on the bridge Jappy Japper

you know I'm saying It's like at a pinnacle point Yeah And I didn't know The significance of Biggie shouting me out On that record And how important it would be

To me And I didn't really realize The tree That The connection Through Mr. C Big Daddy Kane

Juice Crew Biggie You get what I'm saying It's almost like that If I didn't meet If I didn't meet Mr. C Big Daddy Kane, Juice Crew, Biggie. You get what I'm saying? It's almost like that. If I didn't meet Mr. C, would there be a Biggie? Because Mr. C put Kane. Kane put Big.

See, it was Kane's DJ. Yeah. Yeah. And then that led to Big. That gave him clout. So, you know, would there have been one? We don't know. I mean, there's

possibly a lot of people you don't know that got inspired off of everything you did that you may not know. I'm talking about a direct tree branch. Yeah, direct. A direct tree branch. Is there any artist that ever came to you that you fronted on? Like you didn't see that there was a star and then later on became a star

and you was like, damn, I'm fucked up. You know what's funny? I'm glad you say that because Jay-Z used to be with Kane all the time. You know what I mean? So I did a remix with Shy and Jay-Z. So Jay-Z was up at my house, right? So Jay-Z was up at my house, right? So Jay-Z came in the crib. It's like when I, you know, I thought I was my first time meeting him.

And I said, oh, what's up? Nice to meet you, Baba. I wanted to go like this. What era of Jay-Z is this? Hawaiian, Soviet era? This is just when it started. Lee. Just when it started popping.

I did a... How old were you, Rockefeller? Lee. Just when Rockefeller started rocking. And he was able to get... You was able to hire him to get on records. You know what I'm saying? It's like just when it was coming, maybe 95 or something. Like the Dead Prince record is his.

Yeah, around that time. So he comes to the crib, right? I said, oh, nice to meet you, Baba. He said, yo, man, you met me before, man. I've been here before I stood right here when Kane was doing so and so so and so that shit fucked me up wow that shit fucked me up

that Kane was at the crib I mean that that Jay Jay Z was at the crib with Kane right wow

from maybe Young Gifted or Black or something one of them joints wow you know what I mean yeah so I would like to known that he was a rapper then From maybe Young Gifted or Black or something. One of them joints. You know what I mean? So, I would like to have known that he was a rapper then. But I didn't know.

But that's one of those stories. I wouldn't have missed that boat if I knew he was a rapper. Okay, so I don't want to ask you who's your favorite artist. Because I know... I want to ask you who's your favorite artist, because I know I want to ask you who's your favorite hip-hop artist. Who's your favorite, hands down, number one overall? If you had to pick one artist,

just one. Full package artist. Full package, just one. Whether it's to work with or whether it's to listen to. Yeah, let's go back to that one. I'm thinking about that. Who's my all-time overall artist who got it? Right.

I mean, to be honest, it opened a lot of doors for me production wise and It was more than just making a beat for somebody to rhyme on could have been came You know because I seen it all for me to what it was We was doing hardcore shit first and then the ladies started liking him the female started liking him and then it just switched He started, you know, it changed into something different and I said, you know, and it made me grow as a producer. You know,

Kane changed, he changed me as a producer because before that, I was just giving people whatever I wanted them to have with the juice crew. Here, I made a beat. Here, you can have that, Shan.

Oh, Shantae, you can get that. No, you can have that. You can have that. Kane was different. So you're can have that, Shan. Oh, Shantae, you can get that. No, you can have that, you can have that. Kane was different. So you saying right now, if God said, listen, Marley, you're going to be straight for the rest of your life, you got one beat to produce for one artist.

Oh, I already know what that would be right now. Who would that be? That would be Todd, LL. God damn it, make some noise for me. That would be LL. Make some noise. What I'm our last beat. That'll be our last beat. Make some noise. I'm saying, you know, but,

so God said, listen, this is the last beat you can make in the world. You're gonna be straight for the rest of your life. Oh yeah. He did that already. This is it. He did it. And you get one last beat.

He said that's what happened. That's what happened. And you will give it to, you will give it to Al. Yeah. And that kind of happened already, because you wouldn't believe how we're living off that song. Wow. You wouldn't believe.

It's going to be on Chase commercial for the next few months. Right. Dudes. Right. You know, Deadpool 2. Wow. Wow. Working on the soundtrack for Deadpool 3.

Wow. Possibly. Come on, 3. Wow. Yeah. Possibly, come on bro. Wow. You won't believe where that little angle got me. It's really different. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, it's beautiful.

Beautiful, beautiful. Hip hop saves lives. Hip hop saves lives, man. Definitely, that's real true. Hip hop saves lives. Come on, come on. Is there anything you would want to do? Like you feel like

you got left in the game? The game could be the game. The game, for me, the game is lame. I'm doing something different. The game is like, go ahead.

What I would like to do, any music supervisors checking this out, I mean, I want to score movies. You know, I scored, like, a few scenes for Biggie's movie. Right. As you can tell, you know, they had me and Mr. M. They let me actually do it. Right.

Even in Pac's movie, I had, like, a scene or two that we did it for. So I would rather get into Doing scenes for movies and making stuff for movies and theatrical or something like that I mean the music is good. I'm good with the pub right now. The pub is good Okay, I mean the pub that I mean my earlier records don't really make pub But you know the popular ones do and it's pretty good It's good good it's good it's like we don't have 401k in hip-hop right but if you guys should we need that but to be honest sure that's a very thing is that you're publishing is that if you get your shit together get a good record and then you you'd be

surprised yeah it's very because it's almost you know It's crazy because to be honest if it's kind they didn't do that and I didn't have pub It'd be a whole different story. Hmm. If you understand what I'm saying, it's different. Yeah, it's a different story Puff is important anybody out there even want to make records make hit records Okay, well we got to take a shot of Tiger Bone. This is a traditional. It's traditional on the show. Sorry, I feel like this is the second quarter. We got to do it. I'm not going to lie. You know what's so terrible?

I wish, because Tiger does not go with the wine. It doesn't go with anything. It doesn't go with anything, though. It doesn't go with the wine. We'll bust it down. We'll bust it down. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate you having me.

No, man. We represent our legend. I think it was having me up tonight. Thank you, man. We represent our legends. I think it was well overdue though, because I've seen a lot of misconceptions about Marley Marle out there. For years I've been just letting people yap and talk. We're quiet dudes sitting in the back just watching it. What's one of the misconceptions of Marley Marle that you think that happens out here?

One of the misconceptions of Marley Mar that you think that happens out here? One of the misconceptions. Because everybody always thought you owned Cold Chillin'. Yeah, I did not own Cold Chillin'. So anything that was Cold Chillin' blamed? Like they always blamed you. A misconception is any artist that ever said, oh, Marley didn't make that record. And then they went on to do records later. And it never sounded like what we did together.

That's all I can say hmm. I never get used to it. I don't like it. I like it. That shit is good. That's that OG shit. I never get used to it. Bet you if I fucking put a flame right here, it'd come out. Oh my god. I don't like it. So how was it being in the game back then? You know, you guys,

because the people before you, the Melly Mells, you know, you guys, because the people before you, the Melly Mells, the Busy Beats, the Pioneers. I'm not a pioneer. Shout out to the Corn Crush. I'm not a pioneer. But would you consider yourself a godfather? Not me, because the father comes first and then the... Yeah, yeah, you got to be a godfather.

Why wouldn't you change? I got a game changer. But that is a pioneer. But the pioneers are the guys that came to America first and slaughtered the Indians. Oh damn, but you taking it away. We didn't have to do that. They came already. So the architect is making a better world than the architects.

There you go. Because like you said, you guys were the first like um Private jets and right so like that as opposed to other people who was before who was like Like they didn't really they said they didn't make money I know and it was like this is a good though Like you guys your era you guys are the Arctic architects of modern hip-hop what became modern hip-hop I feel like that 100% cuz you ready no name seen niggas at Teterboro until we got right That's the real talk that's real and for those of y'all don't know what Teterboro is that's the private airport Yes, you know since the's the private airport. Yes.

You know what I'm saying? It's the clear port. Yeah, the clear port. Yes. The clear port. You never heard of it, bro. You know what I mean? So we opened that up.

Derrick, I feel like you want to come over here, brother. No. Can I give my cousin Derrick some? Derrick, Derrick, Derrick. I have a Derrick Jackson. That's my cousin Derrick Jackson. That nigga's a legend, man. Yeah, he's a legend.

He's a legend, man. Some motherfucking legend. And you're a legend, Marlon. Hold on. That's my cousin. Hold on. That's my cousin Derek Jackson, son. That's my cousin Derek Jackson, son. That nigga's a legend, man. Yeah, he's a legend. He's a legend, man. That's a motherfucking legend. And you're a legend, Molly. Hold on, that's my cousin.

And that's his cousin. It's not me here without Molly. That's for sure. That's my cousin. And Molly, let me just tell you something. There you go. There you go. Let me just tell you, Molly. We here, we like to give our legends their flowers, because so many people, like, we want to give these people their flowers when they can smell them.

Their trees when they can inhale them. Their thoughts when they can think of them. And their drinks when they can drink them. So many people want to celebrate a hip-hop legend. And I look at it, and it's like, you know what? These people need their flowers while they're here. You know what I'm saying? That's why the fuck I came, man.

This is the reason why we fuck with them. Give up the love while I'm alive. Yeah, why? Don't wait for I'm saying? That's why the fuck I came, man. This is the reason why we fuck with them. Give up the love while I'm alive. Yeah, why? Don't wait for me to die and say I was the greatest. Yeah, yeah, man. And this is your home where you're welcome anytime. Anytime. To anybody doing it, don't wait till they die.

That's why we created this show. You know what I'm saying? So you coming with your movie or your book first? Because I got a little confused. I'm working on the book to become the movie. But let me just tell you something. Is it the Juice Crew movie that you should come with first?

I'm going to be honest. That's ill. That's the story that Juice Crew, I'm just telling you. If that movie introduces the Juice Crew movie it might make more sense. No, it's that and Wu-Tang. That's going to mess with NWA because you know why?

Everybody's still here. The movies that, with the people that are still here is always going to be the best movies. That's why I would say, you know, go to that

and then I introduce the Marty Marz. I don't know. I'm just, this is a real fan. This is a real fan in a fan mode. You know what I want to do?

Yeah. I want to do my perspective of what I, the way I seen everything. But your movie could be called Juice Crew. Right. It could be. You the architect. I want my movie to be,

through my eyes, while everything was happening, what I was thinking, what I was seeing, what I was saying, what everything meant to me. Like, you gotta think about it.

You're the first RZA. You're like the first Puff Daddy. You're the first, you're the're like the first Puff Daddy. You're the first, you're the first, everybody who like, has, created the first Wu-Tang type of, like,

that shit, that shit came from you. Like, I'm proud that I'm from Queens. You know what I'm saying? Because, and I'm proud of that. So,

you gotta capture that shit. Yeah, no doubt. Queens represent. I ain't gonna lie, I'm gonna be honest. We live in so much of a dumb era, that I don't know if you shouldn't drop the book first.

The movie might have to come first. Because they, niggas ain't readin', molly. I'm just tellin' you, these niggas is on Cesar and Percocet. These niggas is on heroin out here. My cousin's out here on cocaine, don't you know? Yo, niggas leanin' on over tables like this and shit. My engineer. We read, we read.

My engineer, my wrestler friend from Peru. These niggas over there dropping bottles. I'm just saying, it's easier because these niggas is dumb in this generation. It might be easier. I'm sorry, I love y'all niggas, but Jack. Damn, damn. I need to give them an audio book. They getting way too high.

Audio book. Audio book. Audio book. Audio high. Audio book. Audio book. Audio book. And then give them a visual, because these niggas is like, Molly, they're going to be like that.

I ain't going to play. I don't want to drop a book right now. I know my niggas is dumb. The niggas, they fuck with me. I know them niggas. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm going to say book first to make sure it's complete and right. Yeah, no, no. Make sure it, nah, I'm going to be honest.

But the movie, of course. The movie, because you've got to answer the shot, you've got to go right with that. I'm just telling you, it's easier to... I've got faith in the youth, man. You've got faith in the youth or the niggas that fuck with us. But the niggas that fuck with us is not very smart. I like them.

I like them. I like them. Can we talk with an air of words? I like them. But I know exactly who they are. The loud nigga over there, he a cheap chance, man. Nigga, I know you. Yeah, I'm sorry, I went too far. I went too far.

I went off the edge. So, you've done everything. What do you think about other are the producers like when who's the first person that you saw like but you said there he took my blueprint but in a good way like you know like like the next I would say I'm premier premier DJ premier cuz he personally told me say yo nobody beats the beers was kind of like my blueprint because you scratched you you cut a hook from different parts so fresh The star of the show

So fresh you know I'm saying I took different parts and was cutting I cut the hook Yeah, and he's like that was my blueprint. Oh Now he's saying it makes sense You know and then other than that we cut the samples like the samples right? Go right he would scratch the samples are to make the hook and you know He said he said he first heard that on nobody beats the biz And I'm like, okay, that's it. That's a big honor. Well, secondly, I would say um Pete Rock. I mean Pete Rock. I mean, Pete Rock, I mean, the way he took sampling on the drum machine and equipment

that he was using was incredible. And the things he was able to do off of those little five, seven seconds became incredible. By speeding the record up, putting it in fast, and then slowing it down, getting more sample time. I never of that that's almost as dope as flash with the backspin oh three revolutions for you know three 11 revolutions forward 311 revolutions backwards that's genius instead of picking the needle up yeah and and and recording it fast and small sampling time and then slowing it down, that's genius right there. Nobody gives him his credit for that. Okay.

The last record you could produce that you could be a part of that you're not going to produce. You got one producer to hire. Who does Marley Mar get to do the last beat? You could mix it. Oh, Kanye. What? I figured you, I thought you were going to say that You were mixing. Oh, Kanye. What? I thought you were going to say that.

Yeah, I fucks with Kanye. Kanye's an L, man. He's dope. You know why? You got overlooked like the last year. No, that's dope. Oh, why? But, you know, his production

and what he did with Sampling and started pitching things up. And he that shit out of this world from what I started if you know what I mean I brought it here he brought it fucking here wait when we talk about their rules again so what did you just say? I'm sorry, I need to be clear. Kanye will be that person that makes that last final record for me, if it was ever to be made. Wow. I would let him do it, and I'll mix it down.

It's going to happen now, off of Drink Champs. Make it happen. Not his last record. No, no, not your last. This is a collaboration. So, in this new generation, who is a person that you would work with in a new generation? I'd fuck with Future.

Fuck with Future. Quick. I can hear you with Kendrick too. Kendrick, Kendrick, I would lace. J. Cole, easy. I would lace J. Cole and Kendrick. I would lace them. Already? Oh, no, I would lace them.

Oh, yeah, you'd kill it with them. All right, that'll be a, yeah. Oh shit, I Already? No, I would lace them. Oh, yeah, you'd kill it with them. Alright, that'll be it. Oh, shit, I want to do a CNN, baby. Oh, shit. I want to do a CNN, baby. What is that? You made history, bro. Yo, you know, we gotta

talk about Rikers Island. That's what I'm saying. Because I just want the fans to know how much of a fan I am of you and what you was doing. You know, we was living in a time where I could have sampled the record. And I could have still paid you just from sampling the record. But I didn't want to do that. I actually wanted to go back in the studio.

I wanted to recreate it. And I had G-Rap. We did everything. I don't remember if G-Rap came to the crib that day or if he came later, but I went in with you. Is this correct? We did it correctly. You know what's so weird, too, with me and him?

We did a lot of records together, but we didn't work together a lot until then. Who, G-Wrap? No, me and you. We did a lot of records together. I was remixing this for y'all. This is me on my own. yep but now he came back he's like yo I got this check for you you know it's the crazy shit I gotta say before I get up out of here a lot of motherfuckers I put on them niggas never

cut me a check when they got in a position and they act like you know them niggas never cut me a motherfucking check so fuck y'all niggas you know. I give it to you. I'm gonna give it to you love because this nigga got in position and came back with a check. That's all niggas want. I was honest. I was honest. Y'all made a classic too. That's all niggas want. I was honored. I was honored because I loved Breakers Island so much and when I went and

did the research and it was like yo it was you and G-Rap I wanted to pay homage to you both you know what I'm saying so I got in the position to do such and I wanted to do it I wanted to do it on my own too because a lot of times we worked before it was through trash and I wanted you to know like alright cool. And it was kind of limited too. Yeah there because he wasn't around a lot. Yeah, no, it was around. No, no No, I wasn't there Invite me to that session. I've been taking that personal for years Big them up, you know, I love them. I speak to Capone all the time the trash,, you know what's going on Yeah man, I just love the history I just love what you did tonight man

Because a lot of people don't hear you talk A lot of people, you know I be silent man, I be silent just watching these motherfuckers Buffoon their ass, talking that shit Yeah but we living a day at a time If you don't actually say Like if it ain't on camera, it ain't even happen That's why I'm here baby

That's why I'm glad, baby. You know what I'm saying? It ain't happen. That's why I'm glad you got this platform right here. Yes, man, for legends. I love what you're doing. For legends, man. I love what the fuck

you're doing, man. This is for legends. Like, so many people, like, I just think that that's a disrespect to our culture when people, like, the, the, the,

wine, listen, listen, wine is not good unless it ages. That's right. You understand what I'm saying? That's right. We can make a wine right now, that shit's going to be full of sugar, it's going to be full of whatever. Right, right, right.

But let that shit sit around for 10 days. For a minute and shoot. You know, and then do that. And then you get to see it age. And there's no platform for that for our culture. That's right. So me and my friend right here, we sat here and said, you know what, let's just, and we're going to do it like that.

We want to salute our legends. We want to salute the people who has been seasoned, who's been here for 20 years and stood the test of time and stood here. And every other culture in the world salutes their legends at this time, at this point.

Why the fuck are we the only culture that says, oh, okay, you got to be 16 years old. Y'all got y'all shit. culture that says, oh okay, you gotta be 16 years old. Y'all got y'all shit, you got the radio stations and all that, but this is our platform. And we wanna salute our motherfucking legends, you know what I'm saying?

Just to fuck this shit. And we don't wanna do it while they, come on, when people is dead, that's not, let's do it in your face, you know what I'm saying? I appreciate the fact that you're on the way to getting the casket before you tell them what it is. Because, you know, sometimes in life, to be honest, I'm going to tell you what the most disheartening thing is about the whole industry that I feel is discredit. When somebody, you know, you put in work, you change the game, and somebody's going to try to discredit what you was doing you put in work you change the game and so I'm gonna try to discredit what I was doing and going with it

rewrite history and rewrite history around it you know you don't be seeing you don't be seeing me on all these award shows and all that like you should right because somewhere somebody's trying to write around me it's true but that's why my story gotta be told that's why I appreciate you guys doing what you do. Thank you. I appreciate this platform. Nah. That's real talk.

Nah, your story should be told. It has to be told, Marlon. It's real. I mean, you know, me just even seeing this little Roxanne thing and then me knowing,

I'm just saying, it's just so much that needs to be told. I'm just saying, everything you said to me just now I saw it visually like I literally saw it like when you said yo just the Queensbridge apartment

alone just on those records like if you're a hip hop historian and you know those records that you just said and you mentioned that alone is a movie bro that alone is crazy because no one will never know this. You know what I'm saying?

That's true. Everyone thinks that a hit record is planned, you know, 16 months in advance. A lot of people don't know. It's just, it's the spirit of the moment of the time. Yep, yep. And that was the testament of what you just said. And the craziness, a lot of artists don't even know why they're famous. And that's the truth. They don't know why the fuck they famous. They think they put out a hot record, but motherfuck, it was the promotion of the month.

And it clicked. People started to like it. Because the next month, it wasn't the promotion of the month. Somebody else was and the next record didn't work the way that one did. So a lot of artists don't even realize why the fuck they famous. Because you know how record companies work. Who we promoting this week? I don't give a fuck what this artist got, we promoting him.

And you know, a lot of people don't realize that they happen to be in that matrix at the minute. Because I seen too many superstars try to make records not in the matrix and it doesn't work. I know why exactly every successful record I ever made, I know why it worked. There's certain

elements you need to make it work. Maybe that's why I won't make records now. Because there's certain elements you need. And now it's algorithm. Right. That too. But you know, there's certain elements you need. Artists need the the the ability to make people want to be them unlike them i like what he's wearing i want to wear that

you're gonna say it's not just a record no more it's a little more to it anybody can make a hot record but do you have the ability to make people like you? Do you have that energy to pull them in? Even if you make whack shit. Why do people like Drake? He ain't the best in the world. But he has an energy that pulls you in. Why do people like Kanye or Jay-Z or whoever? It's not the music.

They have an energy that pulls the people in. So it's more than the music. People got to realize that. It's more the music, they have an energy that pulls the people in. So it's more than the music. People gotta realize that, it's more than music. It's kind of always been more than music too. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you that fly cat that everybody wanna dress like and look like and wear what you wear. Like Kwame, Kwame wasn't the illest, but when you seen Kwame with that polka dots,

I really got a polka dot shirt. There you go. That's it. Hold on, you wore that in that track? Definitely not. I had 61 in the school. That's it. That's it. Took it off before I came back.

But, um... So, um... But basically, that's what it is. You know, there's a magic. There's music, and there's also that energy to pull people in. If you know what I mean. Certain artists have it. Certain people have that. You know, people watch this because you have that. You know, I wanna hear what the fuck that nigga Nuri gonna say today.

You know what I'm saying? I wanna hear that shit. So you pulling them in. Y'all pulling them in. So there's a certain energy. It's more than what you do. It's that energy to be able to pull people in because anybody could do this, but if you don't have the energy to make people want to look, fuck you. And that's the basic, that's just how it is. Is there anything... Is there anything you would want to do over? Is there anything I would like to do over what I would do over? Anything. I would like to make kill that noise over.

Damn. What would you do differently on that? I probably would use different drums. I probably would use the drums that we was winning on because they went with my drums the same way. Right. So I would

probably would make kill that noise with in peace the president drums. The same way they did with Bridges Over. That's what I would do. If I could turn back the hands of time. Because recently, me and Shan got together. We redid the bridge and Kill That Noise Over for movies and stuff.

We made new masters. We got back together. I got the original samples that I used, and we re-chopped everything up, and he did his vocals over. Wow. And then I was sitting back with Kill That Noise, and I switched the drums up.

I put Impeach the President drums on Kill That Noise. That shit was so motherfucking hot. I was like, yo, this is what I should have did in the beginning. But I had so much stuff that I didn't rely on my old sound. Right. Like that. Right. Because I was moving on.

But I wish I would have used those drums on Kill That Noise. Right. Do you feel like y'all lost that battle? Well, I feel that people stupid as hell for believing in them. Because we never said that. And for the record, never said hip-hop never said that hip-hop started in Queensbridge so I feel like people got bamboozled but you know so good so that was like the first trolling yeah because they you know it's like they preyed upon people's Yeah, there you go. That was the first fake news. Which was smart on their part. Yeah, no doubt. To do that, yeah.

No doubt. Because they, you know, it's like they preyed upon people's stupidness at that point. Right. It looked like. That if it's on record, it's truth. Right, right. They preyed on the stupidness of you believing in that shit because we never said it. Right.

It's like somebody's like, yo, you know, like somebody said you said something. You know you ain't say it. Right. Well, you know, whoever gets the overhand, people may believe that shit. If you don't say nothing. Now, where was you at when you found out prodigy was passing? Oh, man. I think I was in Japan.

Yeah, I was in Japan. You know, I go overseas a lot. And I always check, you know you know I go overseas a lot and I always checked you know internet when I wake up and I saw it I was like yo get the fuck out of there because the weirdness is I had just hired him to work with expg a few days before a few days before he passed I think the show before he went to I think he went to Vegas, that was? Vegas, yeah. The show before Vegas, he was with us,

or EXPG. Wow. And we was taking pictures, laughing, joking, ba-ba-ba, and after they did that, then I went to Japan, and then they went to where they was going.

Right. And then I saw, it was like so crazy, because I just took pictures with dude. Right. Like two days before. Right. It was crazy to me.

That was crazy. And I felt that he won't be the last one. There's more. You know, there's more people going to pass. We don't live forever. Right. And, you know, the good thing about, you know, hip-hop and being an artist is whatever you do when you're alive, it lives longer than you.

Mm-hmm. You know, we won't be here no more when people still be playing our music. Mm-hmm. Still talking, you know, we'll still live after we're not here. And that's one of the benefits of being an artist. And, you know, it was kind of sad because I just was with dude. I just was with him. Just was with him like two days before everything happened.

Bruh. Well, God bless him. God bless his family. Yes. Rest in peace, Prodigy. Yes. Have it sticky, making them beats. we need you out here for real that's what I'm saying yeah man we don't let it don't let it slow you down I mean when um Nas did the

bridge is over um the bridge I'm not only that's over skip the bridge who's it he had put all the artists from Queensbridge on there. Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember that. Did you do the beat or no? He just sampled it. I think... Was it LES?

I think maybe somebody else made the beat, but I was on the record. I was on the intro. Okay, cool. That's what happened. I was part of that. Right, right, right. I was part of it. Nas be looking out.

I can't front. Right. You know what I mean? We're from two different eras, but, you know, he always look out. Right. You know what I'm saying? He always, and he always show love every time I see him. So, you know, like I said, when the torch was passed, they did a great job with it.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Beautiful, beautiful. With the music business with me, I'm not thinking about it. Right. I'm on technology right now. Right, right. I got technology that's going to change the world.

What you mean? Come on. I got technology to change the world that people are not even thinking about yet. You know I'm ahead of the average. In line with music? In life. I got the answer. Can't share some information with us?

Nah, nah. It's all panted, bro. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's already panted, but you know, we working on some technology right now. Well, do your thing, man. Do your thing, man. If I could think about putting hip-hop in a goddamn machine and change hip-hop, I could do a lot of other things. Right, hell yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Hell yeah. change hip-hop I could do a lot of other things right hell yeah you know I'm saying oh yeah see me personally man you know I'm on a quest to have hip-hop control all aspects of media like to me I don't think that if we should wake up in the morning and we want to watch a sports show I think that sports shows would be hosted by Jadakiss yeah I think whenever we want to go watch a weather show that shit should be hosted by Jimim jones yeah that's what i think you know what i'm saying like yeah so i want to that's why i'm doing this because i just feel like hip-hop we it's about time we control all media and what i mean by that because hip-hop is

its own race it's not i ain't talking black white i'm talking about hip-hop and hip-hop so this is the reason what we're doing you know what i mean, we having a goddamn fun doing it. We wanna respect people like you, and continue to respect people like you, let you know you got this outlet, it's wide the fuck open, and this is Drink Chats motherfucking Pop. You got anything you want?

You want any more? You want any more? If you got anything, I feel like you got one more thing you wanna say before you leave. Nah, I just wanna say if anybody wanna get in touch with me it's at MollySkills. Okay. On Instagram.

Okay. DJ Molly Mall and, you know, Facebook stuff, you know. But at MollySkills at Instagram and Twitter. You know what I mean? Absolutely. Get at your boy, shit, you know what I'm saying? Any investors that want to get some real money, get at me because I got that technology for that ass.

Absolutely. I'm going to have to sign that non-disclosure. But, you know, we up on that. But, you but you know we there this is what I do man the music the music thing is gonna be what's gonna be that these young kids do what the fuck they want to do cuz they should yeah that's how I feel too I don't judge them niggas let them do it let them do what the fuck they want to do because it's only evolution you know what I mean let's have a good day that's all it is and think freely that's real talk

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