Drink Champs - Episode 146 w/ Talib Kweli and Dead Prez

Episode Date: November 16, 2018

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about this episode because with so much political issues and so much things happening in our culture, it's great to have people that's of mind, body, and soul who can actually speak and, you know,

speak articulate to our people. We got three guests. They're all legends. One is from a phenomenal group that has one of the best records in hip-hop ever. Hip-hop.

It does something to my soul. It does something to my soul. Talib Kwok. Then we got another brother who's here. to my soul. That's something to my soul. Talib, then, damn, I'm blowing up. Then we got another brother who's here. You know,

Brooklyn's on, you know what I'm saying, in the zone and we put them together. We figured these are both politically people, people that I want to speak

for the culture other than these brothers, these three brothers in front of us. There's only like a T.I. I would like other than them.

And if you don't know who I'm talking about, we're talking about Dead Prez, and motherfucking Talib Waleed makes it! Now, you being, like all three of you guys, I wanna ask this question. Do, first let me ask, do you even consider yourself conscious rappers? You know, I'm just gonna start off,

and why not kick it in? I, you know, I stay away gonna start off and why not kick it in? I you know, I stay away from that conscious kind of title leaning as a matter of fact, no boxes because To insinuate that I'm conscious who be it's insinuating. What did you you're not conscious? That and I think that that's fucked up. I think there's super consciousness in people and places, people and places, that people don't consider what they would call conscious.

So, yeah, like, fuck that. That's it? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, same way. It's like, you do what you do, you grow, you learn, and people try to put it in a box, you know what I mean? First of all, let me make some noise for you to be the first nigga to bring Kambucha to the drink camps. All right.

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There it is, yeah. Yeah, nah, but, yeah, the box, you know what I mean? We figuring it out, you know what I mean? Sometimes, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going to, we going

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Like, everything connected. How about you, Todd? I mean, yeah, I agree with my brothers. We've been dealing with this for a long time as artists. Consciousness is awareness. If you're aware of what you're doing, you're conscious. You know, Norris made records where that might not be considered conscious rap, but he's aware

of what he's saying on those records. You know what I'm saying? And I think with consciousness in the marketing sense, it gets convoluted because ain't nothing wrong with being conscious exactly man but i know a lot of artists that are conscious that are not getting the credit for it that do have those records on the album but you know hip-hop is marketed in a way where you know sex sells violence sells gangsterism sells um rapping about money money and decadent selves, especially the people who grew up

and had nothing. And so they used the term consciousness. I think you see a pushback from artists like Debra and myself. Not that we don't embrace the conscious nature, but the pushback as artists, because the artist nature is to not be boxed in. At first, it was kind of like they were saying backpack artists were like the conscious MCs. I think it started before the backpack movement. I feel like they intertwined it both together.

Does anybody tie it back to somewhere where it started? For me, it's like the Message and then Karis. For me personally, Karis and Rakim. And then the backpack era, which I was a part of. Like the raucous movement. But there was a lot of cats who was in the Backpack Era who wasn't conscious. Kool Keith. Right.

You know, High and Mighty. Right. You know, they were making records about pornography. Yeah, raucous records. You know what I'm saying? They wasn't making conscious records, but because they were associated with an independent mind state, people automatically assumed, like Slum Village, their records be very sexual. Exactly.

And J Dilla rapping about big chains and big trucks and all that. But because he's making music that feels like a certain type of feels like Tropical Quest or feels like a certain sonically, people automatically assume that it's got to be positive all the time. You know what's funny when you say that? Because when I think

of like a Tropical Quest, I think of Fife as not being the conscious guy. I think a tip is not being the conscious guy like like I think a tip of you know like cuz he was always like signing a more positive like is that I'm saying but I so um uh-uh dead but when you get called a conscious rap because I obviously that's what a lot of people you wait wait you think being a conscious rapper automatically means you have to be a positive artist Oh, that's what I was gonna have Should be

When you try to put a box on it all what do you do with a record like America if I check that which is Wait, this is a miracle you said about who you know I mean the South ass to say Katrina it wasn't it was so what do you do with that record when that's you can learn from anybody but that's amazing that's real quick though I'm sorry sorry, but in general, for example, Trick outside of Miami isn't considered

like a lyrical artist. For us in Miami, he's like the Jay-Z of Miami. Right. I kind of disagree with you. No, I mean, you're not from Miami. I'm talking about,

but we in New York looked at Trick. We said he got some followers. It took a while for you guys. It took a while for you. Yeah, but culturally, he means something from Miami. Like lyrically,

he was lyrical to what he was talking about because he spoke to us in Miami. And you guys met in Tallahassee? Yeah, we met in Florida. I was down here going to Florida A&M University and this dude was... And you're both originally from Florida or no? No, no. You're from Florida or what? Brooklyn. Brooklyn, that's all I thought. I thought y'all was both from Brooklyn. When I Googled it, it fucked me up. I was like, this is from Tallahassee?

This ain't Dead President Brooklyn group on Wikipedia. I used to always run around as a part of a Florida group. We cut our teeth in Brooklyn. Really, like, when we decided that we were going to migrate from Tallahassee up north, and that's where we're going to stick our clings to. I met them in Brooklyn. They used to come to my bookstore before any of us had a deal. Two roads.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now, how was it being in loud, on loud? Like, you wasn't on the whack loud. Like, you was on the, you know what I'm trying to say? Like you know, you know there was the beginning loud. Steve Diff King gonna be mad at you. The dudes, the dudes.

It was the street team loud and it was loud. We had Pun, Wu Tang, Maw Deep, y'all. Y'all, you was a part of the loud loud. Yeah, we came in when- That was our vision from Florida. From Florida. That's what we created. Exactly the vision. Wait, wait, wait. To be loud?

Exactly the vision. Loud records. And we had a connection. But we was like... No, why was that? Because a woo and a... It was like the same vibe we was on. And we just made a choice.

Like, we're going to go to New York. And we... And, you know, we see what it do, right? But when we got to New York, I think we know we see what it do right but when we got that when we got to New York thing we had like $900 maybe hustled up who Jimmy which Isaac in first no we met Lord J that's how we got connected yeah yeah well it was that was the label that we saw in Florida right we went through me and all right we met Russell Simmons around a bunch of cats Russell was like y'all niggas too violent

And we grow he says stop person so much can you believe that's it I can't Then he signed a black poet he said I want to make the same shit. Then he signed a black poet. He said, I want to have the poetry DMX. Wow, yeah. But yeah. It was a beautiful time to be in that space. We grew from it a lot. We definitely knew

what we wanted to do and where we wanted to be, but we didn't know how much it would change us to be around artists of that caliber and trying to make our music up to that standard. We were like,

all right, we're going to be here. We got something to say. But then we got involved in the process. And that really grew us up a lot as artists, really. Was it different when Loud Beard started to become corporate? Or you guys started to get in trouble before that? Because I remember me, you know we would like you to keep it 100. I remember me being on Def Jam and then when we could smoke in the building. And then there was a certain time where you, they kicked the haircut man away,

they kicked the dice man away, they kicked the weed guy out the building. And then the building just became different and it was corporate now. It was people from Vivendi walking through it. And I remember Loud going through that process actually before Def Jam. so I'm gonna do them checks start missing it was a whole lot we was learning like like one day

homie you know you wait a reason the check ain't ready and all that so one day we dirty was up there and they owe Dirty some money. Oh, Dirty Bastard, just in case. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Dirty. We got young kids on here. We got young kids. Picking out a new Dirty.

Right, right, right. So Dirty McGirt. So he was in the office, and they didn't have his check. So he was like, well, I'm taking something out of here. He just started carrying the speakers out. Because we had one of them sound rooms, too, like where you listen to y'all. So they must have opened up the speaker.

Because he was never signed to them as a soul. Yeah, yeah. So it was just little things that we was learning. We got to work with pun, just being on the same label and, you know what I mean, different things like that. But it changed. That era was dope because, like like it allowed that to happen like you could collab it felt like a team you know what i mean nobody wanted no no funny shit it was like

everybody want everybody to win right and we kind of was we could merge our shit in different ways you know what i mean so but then when those checks was exactly it broke down started changing the corporation of rap put a veil and stopped the balance because there was some checks and balances that had to happen. Like you said,

artists would run up in labels directly to the president's office in Steve Griffin's office. After that happened, you couldn't even do that. Yeah, I remember

the security started starting to be in security mode. You couldn't have it in Rockets too. Yeah, yeah. Same shit, right? Yeah, yeah. I was going there with you. Same shit, right?

Yeah, so really it started being bureaucracy instead of like hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? I tell you, because Rockets, if, to me,

tell me if I'll correct me if I'm wrong, TDE kind of seems like the put together, if Rockets would have done the right thing. I think it's TDE may be like the the put together if Ruckus would have done the right thing. I think it's TDE maybe like the Ruckus

but from a street perspective. Like if Ruckus and Death Row got it together. Yeah, exactly. I feel like if Ruckus and Death Row got it together

because I feel like to me I feel like TDE might be more leaning towards like, you know smart music than what I say about conscious music Kendrick to me is he leans towards that side I learned

something when I listen to kid now I know what you mean but his backstory is official right like the rest raucous days about outdoor yeah yeah yeah all that on the rock is um you know I got a lot of love for Jared and Brian but they didn't come from the culture right you know, they came from Brown University. They were outsiders of the culture. They loved it. They loved music. Okay, what's Brown University?

Brown is where they met. Jared and Brian from Rockets. Oh, the school. Yeah, yeah. Got that. That's me and Lennon. Okay, yes, sir. Yeah, they came into it with a business plan, but being fans of the music.

You know what I'm saying? And they saw it. They had a vision. Their vision was they saw a hole in the marketplace for vinyl. And, you know, the independent, you know, Shabam, Sadiqs, the Terminalics, the Black Stars, you know, Company Flow, stuff like that. That stuff was really bubbling.

It had its own culture. Really, LP, who's now run the Jewels, really, he was kind of leading the charge on that. And I feel like they kind of piggybacked on L.P.'s movement and helped it grow bigger. They brought bigger checks in. But I think that, you know,

they got caught up. Like, when Pharoah Monge's record dropped and Big Dog Pitbulls was on it, heavy, playing it on the radio, the mantra at Rock is went from independent as fuck to let's get these records on the radio. The mantra of Rockets went from independent as fuck to let's get these records on the radio.

I remember that. Was that taboo? It wasn't the original business model. It wasn't. They were signing artists like they signed Last Emperor. But then I remember they tried to make him go to the gym or something. He hated it.

He did go to the gym. something you know what I'm saying like they signed him and he hated it he remember that he hated he did go to the gym no he got out of buff for a second then they then they signed G-Rap but he had a record with Jagged Edge it was like this G-Rap Jagged Edge record which on paper I guess makes sense if you're trying to create a radio hit yeah but that's not an honest way to make music you know what I'm saying so not in the real world nah nah so you know, there was another, there was, they had signed Coco B's. But I remember the artists, like, we had free reign. Me, Mos, Company Flow. We were delivering records, the records we wanted to make.

The next, after Pharoah blew up with Simon Says, the artists on Rookus didn't have that free reign anymore. And it started becoming like... Because Simon Says started working, Lil' Kim actually jumped on the record and actually brung it it was um It was method red jumped on it. Oh, wow. It was big I mean, I was huge right?

I want to see Motley Crue perform last year and Tommy Lee does his drum solo to Simon says For me big me and our kid grew up in the 80s. You can see Motley Crue Performing a record that was came out on the label that I was on. You know, I'm like, okay This is a this is one the biggest records of all time. They didn't catch a crazy lawsuit for that record? They did. They did. Ruckus caught it.

Ruckus, yes. And Pharoah. That was the Godzilla joint, right? Hip-hop sometimes. Hip-hop sometimes. Totally worth it. So now, Mosstep is probably the first nigga that got deported and undeported. I don't think you can get deported.

You can't get kicked out of America. Exactly. You out of America kicked out of America as an American kicked out of America not not not born in America if you born in America you can't get kicked out of America this way yes they will kick everybody else out of you if you're fat yeah yeah if you're like it I'm the slick Rick for saying what going on under water to right right yeah a little back but you know it's funny about Moses that what would that happen during the for a second. Because he was born in London. He got under-boarded too. Right. He was born in London. They let him back, yeah. They let him back. You know what's funny about most is that... Would that have happened

during the Trump era? With most? Yeah. Well, see, with most, I think with the situation with him was more of a situation where he was in South Africa

and he was booked to do a show. And he had a problem with the promoter. He had an issue. And for whatever reason, he didn't do the show. And I think the promoter

was trying to cover his ass. So if you trace that story back, this story with the promoter. He had an issue. And for whatever reason, he didn't do the show. And I think the promoter was trying to cover his ass. So if you trace that story back, the story is a promoter. It wasn't Mosley who put out a statement. It was a show promoter that said, Most death is banned from the country. From Africa. From America. From America.

Which is not, that can't be true. The promoter said that? The promoter said that. Mosley never said that. I knew that was from him from the time when I heard it. But he stayed, though. He didn't come back to America. No, he did have some passport issues in South Africa

But those are issues that he had in South Africa. Yeah, it's preventing him from traveling period Yeah, and he saw that he worked out and we've been doing a lot of shows this year has been been good times We just did a stupid dough show in DC together with them to know. Yeah, that was crazy. That was a crazy night Yeah, beautiful beautiful night. I Was that one point you worried though when he was overseas? No, I went to South Africa. I ain't gonna lie, I got niggas deported. I went to go see him. Oh, where? Where at? In Johannesburg. No.

Cape Town. I was in Cape Town. So. Wow. Yeah. I went to Cape Town with these guys too. Yeah. Yeah, we did it. We kicked it all over. All over over that was a crazy time what makes y'all so unapologetically like black this episode is brought to you by charlotte's web the world's most trusted hemp extract

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Like, you know what I'm saying? Hip-hop gave us a platform. They always breathed it. I was able to hear KRS-One, who wasn't considered conscious at all, but tell it exactly what it was. There was a street paid for us to say this is what it is. Before there was a podium, gotta be orator. I loved Malcolm, love Kwame Nkrumah, love my leaders.

But man, hip hop, put it in plain proletarian English, that's a term that came from Fred Hampton, senior head of Black Panther Party, if it in plain proletarian English. That's the term that came from Fred Hampton, senior head of Black Panther Party. If anybody knows plain proletarian English, that means the language of the people. Like how T.I.B. talk. So at the end of the day, when the conversation really comes down to it

and all the shenanigans are away from it and you really talk real talk, it sounds like what we say. It's not, I mean, what we, the music we make is not, I mean, you call it unapologetically black, we are just who we are, authentic people talking about what's really happening. I guess to others it comes off as this blackness, but if you were in my shoes, you would say what I say too.

You know what I mean? It's just a human conversation, and I think that's where hip hop, it's not know what I mean? It's just a human conversation. And I think that's what hip hop is. It's not that way now. But at one point, at the point that we knew that we wanted to be writing words down, we didn't even have to think about would it be on the radio. We were like, people just need to hear what the fuck.

We just want to say shit and have people hear what that is. It didn't have an agenda, you know what I'm saying, where music is. It's just based on values, you know what I mean? Like, what you value. Like, you know, you could have some success doing something that somebody else tell you is okay. You know what I mean? But do that feel like success to you? You know what I mean? Or did you come when you had your opportunity like what what did you do

with it and for me that that was more important than anything else you know I mean I know what I had to say I know how I feel I know it's not being said and I know where I'm from you know I mean so it's about repping our values and then I think why cuz I don't think we was the best producers, the best rappers or nothing like that. But I feel like it's such a lack of real shit, real, real shit. Yeah, authenticity. That it stand out. Yeah.

You know, 20 years later, it's still big in the hip hop. Wish it was still like that. Because we act like, in the theater of it, we act like it's all about that right now. I mean when we like we don't have kids. We don't live real lives You know we want to just be take the veil off. Yeah, you know That's the best music. Yeah, what's that Stevie's best music? That's a little Reef is better The medal of honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.

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when you see a person that can kick some knottles and still smoke a blunt with you, that shit is just always attractive. It's always easy to get the information across because it's like, all right, cool. No matter how old he is or how different we are And like we can always connect. I just gotta add on just as an MC You know, I got what would stick was saying about, you know, he was being humble and saying we're not the best rappers and everything

But I just gotta say as a student of MC Yeah, like and not you know with the production to know y'all making beats. I know y'all like like but Like I appreciate they job is to be humble that's fine my job is to be my brother You know saying like me personally what that press meant for me as an artist cuz we you know We started our careers at the same time and they kept me on my fucking toes Like for real to the crib and just make mix-tapes. Yeah, make me just And when you think about this There's a lot of great music that these brothers have put out for mixtapes to albums

But when you think about the impact of let's get free and that what they were talking about like students They were studying it was like a plan. It's like, okay, we not, we, we, we, when you listen to those styles and the, when you say you were studying Mobb Deep and Wu-Tang.

Exactly. You could hear that on that record. Yeah, we studied it. But it's very clear. But doing it their way. That record. It's no biting. Playing,

what you say, what the chairman said, like, you know, when you saying it. The wolves. Like they were saying very, these schools don't teach a shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, saying it, like, be healthy is very direct, like, planned out, pointed, programmed messages, like, the message is important. And everybody has agendas.

You know what I'm saying? Like, if somebody tell you I don't have no agenda, that's a liar. You know what I'm saying? Everybody has an agenda. But what is your agenda? Is your agenda compassion? Is it justice? Is it freedom? Is it, you know, family? What's your agenda? And they agenda was so, so clear. Let's make some noise for that guy. If we have to make an ad for him as a DJ, I feel like a complete ass that I didn't know

that you produced that record. I'm such a fan of that record. We got to make some noise for motherfucking Sting. Let's really do that. That's such a big record. I think Sting is an unsung hero as a producer in general and as an ear. And I'm talking about untrained. When I met him, I have to say, I came to Tallahassee, Florida, trying to go to Florida A&M University. It ain't burning hard, but it's burning.

It matched my suit, though. It was good. I want to say, and yours. You should have burned that. He just started back burning. It's a secret. Oh, shit. But look, I got to say, I met him, and his, like, as coming from New York,

I never really thought I would meet someone in Tallahassee Florida who had certain strong hip-hop fundamentals that will move me in the way that I felt why you thought you thought people in Florida didn't trying to say that. I'm from Brooklyn. We don't say that. We don't say that. That's who does. I'm not trying to say that. We felt like that. Notorious B.I.G. said, I'm killing MCs from Tallahassee to Compton. So just from the mention of Tallahassee, I'm not trying to say that mean nothing. I'm just saying I didn't expect it.

I'm talking about a killer MC, like Rakim Flo's, like more than Rakim Flo's. But when he took me to the studio and told me about how he saw music and how he heard music, it was like listening to Miles Davis talk to music. And I'm not blowing your head up, kid. I'm just telling you, it was cool. This was Dream Champ. Because as a brother, we learned from each other. And we listened to the same records. And we man sharp and man still sharp and still.

But he was doing things with that EPS Plus, which turned into the ASR-10, that made me say, RZA's not doing this. Nobody niggas. And my deep, Havoc, yeah, he heard Havoc, but he wasn't doing Havoc. He was doing Stick. Right. And that's what made hip-hop. That's what made, right. Which was the last record on the album that we made from Let's Get Free, because they was like, y'all ain't got nothing for the radio.

And we said, what y'all want? Y'all want some hair, hot, which was the hook that I said exactly like that, playing, making a joke. But it was his beat made in the closet on the EPS, and he just moved his shit like, and to him it was a joke, but it came from years and years and years and years of trying it. Yeah, yeah. And making that kick, make don't see that process. Make that sound. You know what I'm saying? From being from Florida, right, we used to hear the car driving by with the trunk.

Like the magic DJ Magic Mike. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Jam Pony. At that time, that was like old, right? And it was like Florida culture more than anybody else, right? So to me, it was like the last thing. We had made wolves. We had made police statements. Everything. We said what we want to say, right? So that, to me, it was like the last, it was the last thing. We had, we had made Wolves. We had made Police State.

Everything. We said what we want to say, right? And then everybody was like, we need a single. And like he said, it was more like, I started just thinking like when I was growing up,

what was the most middle finger shit, you know what I mean? The sound wise. You know what I mean? And that's what I thought, like, the obnoxious bass. You know what's crazy about you saying that? We made the blast because the label was like,

y'all don't have a single. Wow. And the whole thing was like, all right, well, I'm going to just teach these niggas how to pronounce my name. But that record wasn't on that. We said what I had to say. I texted what he had to say.

We turned the record in, like, this is the record. You know, and they was like, you need another one. Yo, crazy. I'm going to tell you something even crazier. Is that true? Lord Kamar discovered you? Yes, it's true. Wait, I want to move fast.

I'm going to give you another segue. Okay, cool. Through Sean C., who was working with artists who were working with Rockefeller Records, we met. Sean C. and Matt. Sean C., Matt. Sean C., LV. That's loud, correct? Yeah Sean C. and Matt. Sean C., L.V. That's loud, correct?

Yeah, loud. A&Rs. They're like, we got hip-hop, but we want to make a remix. So they went and got all these producers, and lo and behold, they brought Kanye. And so Kanye West came to the studio, and

we made a remix of hip-hop, which is on Let's Get Free as well. It's called Bigger Than Hip Hop. And he wrote the hook on it with us and all that. You know, grab your tits if you love big pop. What bang that is if you miss it. I got it. I miss it anyway. Yeah.

But boom I gotta say that Like Like All these All these Producers Were moved By that By that sound

Right Kanye Guess who else came Juicy J Right Made a remix for hip hop We didn't use it I wish

When we went on When we went on When we went on OK Player Tour Y'all were the new niggas On the tour Y'all was the rookies In the crew But when we went on that tour Tour, y'all were the new niggas on the tour. Y'all was the rookies in the crew. But when we went on that tour, y'all would perform hip-hop.

And then after everybody went on, and it don't matter if it was Common or Gangstar or Big Daddy Kane, whoever was the guest. After the Roots finished their big song, we all came back, everybody on that bill. And did hip-hop. And did hip-hop again. Every night. And that's how Dave Chappelle got with us and said, yo, can I use that for the intro for the Chappelle show? On that exact tour. On that OK Player tour.

Backstage after them last episodes. Way too much. I ain't been describing that. I ain't seen my brothers in a minute. And I appreciate it, too, man. Because y'all showed us, you know, you in particular and most, y'all opened y'all world to us. You know what I mean? We was coming from Florida and Brooklyn.

We in your hood. And you shared the state. We would come to the show. You'd be like, yo, come rock. You know what I mean? It made our shit look good. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't no famous.

You know what I'm saying? More than loud. Y'all really, like, loud't really know, they want to connect. They didn't know where he was at. Right. Y'all helped us like have that national audience. Yeah, really. Really.

Okay. The part of him got more Blackstar music, man. For the same reason he don't got more Mos Def music. I got 15 albums, Mos got four, five. But he love to rap. He a rapper. He do. He'll rap stick verse. He'll rap everybody verse. He know everybody verse.

He's a rapper's rapper. Why do you think that never happened? I think Mo's is disheartened with the state of affairs of the music business. Not the music business, but entertainment in general. Just my experience with him is that it's not that he's not being creative. It's not that he's not inspired to be creative. He just don't like the music business. He don't like the music business But entertainment in general Just my experience with him Is that it's not that He's not being creative It's not that he's not Aspired to be creative

He just don't like The music business He don't like the Rigor moro of Dealing with the bullshit That come with the industry And I think it's It's then to his politic

And his lifestyle Yeah And you know I think he's trying to live A very spiritual Humble life And as far as He's a charismatic

Very But it's so much It's so much artist to fan space right now that we have right now where like I mean honestly But you give a lot of yourself for that

You know you give up a lot You know me I'm on Twitter all the time I gotta talk to you about your Twitter You argue with everybody We need to to have your answer to that. And I come with Jen Chance, and I gotta show a depressing face. I got time. I got time is what I'm trying to say.

He's tweeting right now. He's tweeting right now. But I digress. No, I'm cool. But I think also you give a piece of that like one thing about that is that um you know i look at people like most who don't he has no social network he's not on instagram twitter fate none of that um you give a piece of that for yourself and i you know i'm very aware of my lane and my position in this business i have a lot of respect for brothers like y'all and that's what i

live for and i love that. But Mos Def, he's more internationally recognized than I am. You know what I'm saying? So he has, he has just more responsibility. He has more, people be tugging at him more.

You know what I'm saying? There's people who are more famous than me who don't necessarily maybe need to be on a social network the same way some others do.

Like, I try to use it as a tool. You see me on a lot but I always try to drive traffic to what I'm doing. I try to use it as a tool. You see me on a lot, but I always try to drive traffic to what I'm doing. I try to use it as a tool because I don't got Adele or Beyonce marketing dollars, and I want people to know what I'm doing. So I use Twitter. I've created, not created, but harnessed this platform for what I do. As you should.

You're smart, bro. But I also learn from people like Mos, who have created this platform to where you got to come for him. Most will cancel seven shows and then show up, and you'll still show up. You'll show up to the cancel show? No, you'll show up to the cancel one and you'll come back. But that's the one thing I do learn about the younger generation, is there's artists to consume them. Yeah.

That part is kind of dope. That part is kind of dope. generation, it's artists to consumer. That part is kinda dope. That part is kinda dope. Like, you know, other than them putting it on SoundCloud, like, if they didn't raise SoundCloud with no disrespect to SoundCloud, if they actually just make a straight artist to consumer, just get that SoundCloud part out of it, I think that the music business is gonna start

coming back ours. That's why I got Quali Club, which I got for Ryan Leslie He built it for me It's like oh wow you you go straight to my website you buy my CDs my vinyl get my digital you get books I had you said the bookstore where I used to kick it with the man I have that bookstore online those books are in the crib right now Yeah Yeah, so all the black panther comics and graphic novels. Okay, thank you.

I got to check, you know what I'm saying? Look at the database. This is the first time I'm seeing somebody trading books on T-shirts. I don't know if y'all know, you know, but this platform is designed. I knew that. I looked at all these other platforms and all these other places. And after you get 10 years in this game, people want to kick you out.

People want to say you old. People want to say you washed up. People want to say you don't got it. People want to say you can't do it again. That's not what this platform is for. This platform is for people 10 years and old and over that has played the game, right?

Played the game. You know what I'm saying? The way it's supposed to be and should be honored. The thing is, I don't want to honor you. I don't want to say Dead Press is one of the dopest fucking two-man groups when you're gone. Because you can't even hear that shit. You know what I'm saying?

I want to give you your flowers right now. When you can smell them. Your thoughts when you can think of them. And your drinks when you can drink them. And your smokes when you smoke them. God damn it. God damn it. And that's real shit.

And it doesn't take away from me saying how dope Talib is. It doesn't take away from me noticing his hustle. Like, I see him in one state, he's DJing. Another state, he's motherfucking performing. Another state, he's cooking. I don't know. This nigga got... He's doing everything.

I don't know. I'm just playing around. But you understand what I'm saying? And that's dope. Is that I just feel like we need more of that in our culture, like as opposed to competing with each other. Like why would I compete with you when you have your own audience? Yo, Haz, hold up one second, man.

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If your people want to fuck with you, they're going to fuck with you. So why even me even do that? I should just cater to the motherfuckers that fuck with me. I like to go places where I'm celebrated, not tolerated. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes I'll take something less

because I know these people will fuck with me more. Right. Because I'm celebrated. When I walk in a room, they're like, that's that nigga, as opposed to getting more from somewhere else. And sometimes it's just like, all right,'s like sometimes that's the definition of selling out but um so uh what this climbing going on you know you said his name I was gonna try

to avoid it for as much as I can mr. West mr. West mr. West Mr. West That's the homie though, that's the homie we need Cornell I was on his album Cornell West Bushonomics You know that mr. West needs that mr. West, okay Before we go into that because the reason why it's special for me asking you guys this question as opposed to me even asking TI Or even asking TI or even asking other other guests that was on here recently you guys know Kanye Chicago Kanye right like when he say you know that you want to go back to the

real Kanye y'all actually know the boy before they saw him out though yeah we know though yeah we're not we're not cuz you know I'm not a Googler but when I do Google and, like, both of y'all, Kanye came up. I'm like, damn, I can't avoid this one. Right. I want y'all to describe to me the difference between the brother that y'all first met. Because are you around this guy now or we don't really know?

I think it's the same dude. Okay, take a shot. It's that type of time. It's that type of time. Take a shot of that shaggy. That's Lil Wayne shit right there. That's rum. You should have told me.

That's rum. That's rum. That's Lil Wayne shit. Okay. Go ahead. I think he's the same dude. Kanye West is an icon of our time. He's a genius. But he's a musical genius.

He's very, and he's fashion, there's things that he knows about that I can't fuck with him on. His knowledge is just infinite when it comes to certain things. There's a lot of things that he's about that I can't fuck with him on, his knowledge is just infinite when it comes to certain things. There's a lot of things that he's misinformed about. When I first started doing shows with Dead Prez, we do a lot of fundraisers and working with organizations

like Malcolm X Grassroots Movement and Refuse and Resist and all these organizations, and one thing that I took to heart back in the day was a lot of those, the real activists, would give us political education. You know what I'm saying? Before we got on stage, I feel like their prayers have a lot more political education than most. I feel like I got a lot more

political education than most people, but even us, we needed more pointers and steps to know what the talking points for the movement was. We had OGs. I feel like Kanye is the leader of a generation who looks up to him, who about retweets and likes and engagement and there's no OG knowledge in there. There's no political education.

But here's the problem, Tyler Libman. I agree with you 100%, but he goes and caters to that audience. See, I can agree with you, I swear to God, I have one million percent agree with you, but he'll go and I swear to God, as a brother, as a black man, as a fellow artist in hip- you, I swear to God, one million percent agree with you, but did he'll go, and I swear to God, as a brother, as a black man, as a fellow artist in hip hop, I reached out to John Monopoly, I'm saying names. I reached out to Steve Rifkin, I'm saying names, who I actually see him around,

and I'm like, I think it's time he sit down with me. Because of the platform I got, we're on Revolt TV, you know what I'm saying? We're trying to be revolted, you know what I'm saying? We're trying to go outside the box, and I'm trying to see it, I'm saying we're trying to be revolted right, you know said we're trying to do no grass out of the box Oh man, I'm trying to see it. This is why we're here and it doesn't see and then it's crazy because I heard a rumor This is how much of I think he's trying he's being a troll. I heard a rumor that that that yay Yeezy album that yay album

It's original name was Hitler Yeah, I don't know about that. I do know like I've Was it was wasn't it what does that set to you? Okay, cuz I have no idea this He's a disruptor he's Controversy he knows how to how to stir it So what does that say to you? Because to me it says something too, but I don't know. But if we're going to talk on it, I don't think we should talk on the speculative.

Right. You know what I'm saying? That's true. I do think. But we did see him say he loves Donald Trump. It was a bad one. We had to trade him, race or draft. At least for a week. Race or draft. We had to trade him, race or draft. At least for a week.

Race or draft, we had to trade him. Let's get Scott Storch or somebody. I'm going to keep it a buck with y'all. I think that Kanye is severely misinformed. I think he's severely misinformed. I think he's not reading.

I think based on my conversations with him spanning from 15 years ago to two months ago that he's not reading. I think based on my conversations with him spanning from 15 years ago to two months ago, that he doesn't know politics. He don't know history. He don't know. And I think the problem is that when it comes to his career as an entertainer,

he's been so brilliant and so successful that everything he's done has been correct. So everything he does is like, I'm going to do this at work. I'm going to do that. Everything he's worked. He made me like ugly Yeezys. Those Yeezys are technically ugly.

Like, come on. Let's just keep it real. There's a couple of them shits of trash. And I feel like I'm buying them. I'm not an Yeezys. So if everything worked, then you thinking that this is going to work. You hear the records he did with Tiana Taylor and Nas and all that. I was working on a record.

Me and Kanye had a record. We worked on five songs together. You know what I'm saying? I was in his house a year ago. You like those records? I didn't hear all of them. Okay. I didn't hear all of them.

Tiana Taylor. I like her album, though. But he says to me, not in his house, but in the studio, how living in Calabasas while Drake was there was hard on him because he felt the competitive energy. And how when Drake moved away, he had this creative rush. You know what I'm saying? Which to me, I'm like, yo, how you let this next man affect your energy? You know what I'm saying? Like this is something I felt but I didn't speak on at the time.

Now I see how the years played out You know what I'm saying And I feel like a lot of what he's doing Kanye wants to be number one He wants to be talked about all the time And if somebody's talking He spent all of last year Talking about how dope Drake was

In every interview Drake's the number one rapper Drake's the number one rapper I feel like he's triggered by Drake I feel like he's triggered by Obama Calling him a jackass And I feel like he's triggered by Drake. I feel like he's triggered by Obama calling him a jackass. And I feel like he just wants to be liked and he's misinformed.

And I think... I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest. That's the fucking most sensible shit that somebody can bring down. Why hasn't no one said that? Well, you know... There's got to be a difference

between the real and the fake. I understand that. Because people don't know him intimately. People haven't spent time with him inside studio hours for 15 hours at a time. Been with him on tour buses. I understand Kanye as, I think, I mean, I'm not trying to take any liberties here. He says he knows me, according to Rolling Stone.

And I know him. I know him. And what's so brilliant about it is, Stick, isn't that so similar to what we were just talking about? What my position was earlier in the airport? That right there. It's so. We wasn't at the airport, so put us on. No.

You heard it. That's what I'm trying to say. It's like, what I'm corroborating here is that me and my partner had a slight conversation about our brother. And I would love to hear Stick's take on it because it's interesting as well and if you go to his Instagram you can see his posts and it's interesting as well. Where were you guys at?

We'll come right back to that. Where were you guys at when you heard that he said he loved Donald Trump? I watch MSNBC a lot. I never used to like it before Trump. It's right wing. That's racist. But now it's left because Trump is in office, right? That's like the reality show right now My wife don't stop saying she's non-political but she could this is the best show on TV Yeah, that's the best show on TV. So that's why, what's the shit? The president's shit on Netflix, they canceled that.

They said the best show on TV is the White House right now. You have a scandal. Yeah, exactly. Scandal, there you go. It's going down. I don't even remember. Because, like, I don't remember. But I already had this sensitivity that he would like Donald Trump.

I don't know where I was when I heard it. But I had this sensitivity in my mind that that would be something that he would like Donald Trump. I don't know where I was when I heard it, but I had the sensitivity in my mind that that would be something that he would say. You know what fucked me up the most about that shit, though? The shit he said about feeling emasculated and feeling like, and talk about his daddy. Regardless of where you stand on Hillary Clinton. You know what I'm saying?

A lot of people in our community have very righteous criticism for Hillary Clinton. But his criticism of Hillary Clinton wasn't a political criticism. He didn't talk about her policies. He didn't talk about Haiti. He didn't talk about super president. He said her slogan, I'm with her, made me feel like less than a man. He said because of the less testosterone in his house.

That was crazy. He said, I married a family. He said, I married a family. Yeah. He said, I married a family. Go watch that. He said, I married a family and there's not enough testosterone in my house. As if women can't make decisions. And you got two daughters, bro.

You got two daughters. That's the part. And you know, Kanye's my brother and I love him. And I'll never dis you. I love him. I'll never call him crazy. And if that brother call me, I'm coming. I can't wait.

You know what I'm saying? If he call me, I'm coming. But that's what fucked me up the most because I've had private conversations with him on sex that he fucked me up that were hurtful hurtful private conversation okay that'll be remain between you and me right but when I seen that man get up there and say I love you Donald Trump and Donald Trump said hey I didn't actually say that and then he hugged that man and I said no you make me feel like more like more of a man us as a street people right we know we know it's a certain way you give a person a five like look at Trump's hand his hand is out here it didn't even come closer it ain't come closer as Kanye came closer. His head got farther.

He made Kanye move. That was like, oh, that's like a person that's been in jail before. That is jail violation. It was hard to look at, bro. It was hard. It was really hard to look at, man. I had to turn my head away. Nobody cares to really hone in on him. He's saying he's got

mental health issues. And that's my point to my point on that, that that might be the situation. That was some of my points to my family is that I don't think we should judge this moment clearly because I don't think the man is clear. Right. He don't sound clear. Exactly. I don't think

even if he believed in what he's talking about, he don't sound clear. What if he is clear? He knows what he's, he knows. But he's saying that he's on meds and he stopped taking it. He's saying he's not. is clear that knows we know but he's saying those old man's and he stopped taking he's saying oh is for us to do this right now that's it and so that's the point we're doing this album why are you talking about this exactly there's nobody technically better to talk about this. And he arguably is the biggest thing in the game right now, especially what he's doing. And I've never seen a destruction like this.

And don't get me wrong, when I say destruction, it's not like his paper might be affected. I don't think his paper is going to be affected. You're talking about his cultural currency. Yeah, I don't... I agree. We constantly, every single day, seeing videos of little black girls getting, you know,

hitting the ribs. We're seeing black girls getting pulled. We're seeing black boys getting killed. We're seeing this, and this day and time, we need... You know how we used to say, you're not a celebrity. You don't have responsibilities to be a role model.

We don't have a fucking choice anymore. At the end of the day, we're all raising children and we're all raising children that can go to the same states and same stats that these people go. We have to take responsibility. We have to.

I'm no mathematician. I know mathematics. I know, you know, I was raised 5%. I was raised like that. But, you know, as time progressed, I started to make club music and I started to cater to that. But I know the difference. I can no longer be that guy.

I have to change. It's just, I can't afford, although I'm more comfortable there, but I have to say what I fucking see. Yeah, that's real. You know what I'm saying? I have to. It's just gross.

It's just called growth. I think with Ye, it's a lot of richness to that situation. You know what I mean? Because. When you say richness, you mean wealth? No, richness like. Like it's just deeper? Yeah, like

So you get a reaction from The masses of people, right? If Ye do this or Ye do that It's like you could predict The reaction Like when people say there's no bad promotion As long as it's promotion Yeah, people say that

I hate that slogan But what I mean is like It's a lot of factors you know mixed in so i don't feel like it's we really having a real conversation as far as the community around this because it's mental health yes well that's real which has nothing to do with the other stuff the politics you know i mean in in you know in a certain way it's like if somebody is I believe that 99% of the planet it got mental health issues I feel like as we growing and evolving like the things that the choices we make the shit like we like that's what we

pour our own poison you don't call that mental health is you want to the program I'm good okay okay so I have it around okay okay okay I'll take another you know that's one thing right so then if Kanye is really dealing with mental health issues the way people in the community is treating him right if they really believe he got a mental health issues the way people in the community is treating him, right? If they really believe he got a mental health issue, it's terrible. That's right. You know what I'm saying?

So that's one thing. Second thing is Kanye is an artist with a platform. He chooses songs he want to make. He chooses the position he want to take. And when you like what he's saying, he the man. But when he feel like he see something different, then, oh, this is the worst coon ever. You know what I mean?

And to me, that's more fickle on the community. Right. But then, you know, the other layer, though, is you got Donald Trump and what he represent, you know what I mean? And then this, like, alignment that's not really clear where it's coming from or where it's going. So when you mix all that together and people think like sheep,

they're going to automatically assume whatever they want to assume. But they don't know Kanye. They don't know Kanye agenda. They don't know Kanye mental health. Everybody just talking and exploiting that condition for their own benefits, you know what I mean? You think that's why Chappelle went to Africa that time and then now all of a sudden Kanye? I do. Nah.

You got to take that. At least Chappelle went to Africa with no paparazzi. Well, Chappelle went to Africa. Yeah, Kanye went to Africa. You got that, right? He does What are you trying to Equate the reason why Chappelle Left the Chappelle show

And went to Africa To why Kanye went to Uganda Yes What I'm trying to say What I was trying to say is You know Chappelle caught on to like Cause you know sometimes

Winning too much Is like failing No I think Kanye is trying to do that I think he's doing his own version of that He's doing his own version Going back to Chicago He's doing the Kanye version Which you go to Uganda and you go talk to the Ugandan president. Right.

But let me ask this, though. What about this, though? Like, in our community, right, when a person is like, I want to look at a situation different. Like, I just want to consider a different angle, a different picture, right? So, you know, how can you do that? How can you really break out the sheet cycle if you look at something different, the

whole world attack you? Like, you're supposed to be a puppet. Like, talking to the president in the first place. Yeah, like, think about it, like, just for the flip side, he would be the first one. What about Jim Brown? Jim Brown is poor. I one. What about Jim Brown? Jim Brown is a little pause.

I'm so sorry because Jim Brown, I love you. But when you see the Jim Brown, Jim Brown keeps saying people shouldn't be kneeling to the flag. That's not what Kaepernick kneeled for. Yeah, he's got that wrong. He's got that wrong. But I think the thing about Jim Brown is that Jim Brown is someone who, you know, Jim Brown is a mythology, first of all. You see what I'm saying? The stuff on Jim Brown that's like, Jim Brown is in our community.

He's a pillar, excuse me, of our community. There's a mythology surrounding him. And I think that he's doing certain community work where he's strategic and tactical in a way like I personally not that I would ever get that invitation

but I couldn't see myself going to see Trump for any reason but for somebody like Jim Brown I could see you thinking that as strategy I've been in meetings with Kanye West and his friends and I've heard people close to him say to him the problem I have with you is not whether or not I agree

with your political stance, it's what's the strategy here you know i'm saying like when you when you went to tmz that was unplanned situation you know i'm saying like when you you had the charlamagne interview where you control that interview yeah well why not let that be why not let that be the story why go to tmz on that day yeah what is the strategy here? So when Sticks say... And then he went back, though. When Sticks say, like, like, what... As far as thinking different, Kanye come with

that free thinker shit, right? Mm-hmm. I'm with all that. Mm-hmm. But the problem is that don't tell me... I'm not a Democrat, but don't assume

I'm a Democrat and call me a slave on a Democratic plantation... Straight. ...because I don't agree with the Republican concentration camp. Straight.

You know what I'm saying? And that's where it goes hard. I want to say this to that as well. We know some free thinkers. There's some people who've been down this road and doing some amazing work who are not right, not left, who are independent. I support those people. If Kanye

sees himself in that kind of circle, I'm with it 100%. That being said. Going back to what Stick said, and, but, going back to what Sticks said, and even in all of this, what's real is, as much as we think

he's done all this damage, our people are fickle. Our people are very short-term. That's real. Very short-term memory. And one year, Kanye would be a hero

to some people. That's right. That's what he said. He needs y'all right now. The right jammy's free. I didn't say that egotistically at all. And one year Kanye would be hero to some that's right I didn't say that egotistically We have real talk with people we can have real talk Because it's not like Candace Owens or Larry Elder what he of these motherfuckers, could come out and make a jam and then say, oh, I'm down with the movement. We won't believe them. We believe Kanye could come back

because of the work that he's put in the room. Exactly. You know what I'm saying, like, you're right, we draw our heroes out, whether it's Common, whether it's Kendrick Lamar, whoever, if they say one wrong thing or one thing, then they call it a century. Well, that's not us, exactly.

I don't wanna put us in that category. I wanna put the people that are temporary fans. Because there's bandwagon people. I'm not talking about bandwagon people. I'm talking about us. I'm talking about the inner community. This is us. This is us right here.

This is the new FUBU right here. Us. We're the new FUBU. This is for us by us. And this is for, I mean, people that watch this outside of our community, but the thing about it is, that's why I like... It hurts me sometimes, right? Where, you know, we set up this whole campaign.

You know, Roc Nation tweets me, yo, let's free Meek. No problem. Let's free motherfucking Meek. Let's go out there and free motherfucking Meek. Let me hashtag it. Let me do what I gotta do to free Meek. And free Meek comes home.

And then y'all gonna follow us and send them to Ellen DeGeneres. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, me if we meet comes home and then you know I'm saying like no listen listen I get what Ellen DeGeneres is I get what she represents but as a hip-hop artist I think every artist that came after me kind of owes me a sit down see you come sit down with the y'all come chop it up come chop it up with me you know and I'm also bigging you up. This is, this is probably the first time ever a person that they quote unquote call a legend and

humble itself and pick up everybody, man, and sit down and I sit there and I do all these campaigns when these record labels hit me or these management companies hit me, you know, I represent Kyle. Look, Kyle is right here.

This is Kyle's son. Kyle, my son went to Kyle's birthday party the other day and they brought a broke me a shirt Colin why have you been on drink chance my brother I'm keeping it 100 right now 1 million percent if you want to film you can film no don't film no no we film us this messed up what you doing to us you sit there you represent hip-hop you represent Miami if there's a problem with EFN let's handle it off the camera

if there's a problem with NRE which it can't be because I'm invited to your goddamn son's birthday so it's definitely got to be you. I'm just throwing it out there. I want y'all to work this out on camera, on camera. Miami, y'all got to get y'all shit together. Listen, man, we got to, hold on, let me finish. We got to start supporting our own. Meek Mill, you got to come sit down with us, Meek Mill.

Come on, my dog. Like, when you brought us Kane to Florida, y'all did the right thing. Y'all didn't even know what y'all did. Y'all did the right thing. Let me tell you, man. You come to Florida, you come and sit down with the God. I'm a God as well. God damn it. Drink, chance.

Drink, chance. Drink, money. Drink, chance. Drink, chance. Drink, money. And I really, all this moment, just wanted to big you up. And even, like, DJ EFN, let me tell you, Crazy Hood Productions, ever since Dead Press came down here and did our first show in Cameo on the Lyricist Lounge Tour. I was on that show.

Exactly. I was on that show. And we went to your crib. We've dropped on your mixtape. And, like, I just got to say, man, to see, like, I'm not... Hip-hop historian. Hip-hop... Oh, let's make some noise for EFA right now. We're gonna work you in college.

Yeah. Shout out to Nim sitting in the back who brought us the Kindle and all that. All these spots in the air. Exactly. Look, let me tell you. And you, bro, man, like, we saw you. I saw you. I saw...

Man, we don't represent hip-hop, man. I, we saw you. I saw you. I saw you. I saw CNN. And then I saw you here. I live here. I live here as well. As well as you live here. But what I'm seeing you do, like, even the way you're able to angle yourself and even put the pressure down like only a Queens nigga really can do. Or some of these dudes that talk the way you you talking to some of these people is beautiful. You deserve this platform.

You two together have a beautiful balance. And to be able to have this and propagate it the way you're doing it. Kudos to my brothers and I just because I never was able to tell you that on camera. If we ain't going to pick us up, ain't nobody else going to pick us up. So I don't want to complain about what people ain't doing. I want to show what we are doing. Like, I've noticed these radio stations, they be like, ah, well, you got to grind it out. Nigga, I've been down 10 years.

Don't you ever use that word to me again. You got to grind it out. Motherfucker. I don't want to grind shit no more with some marijuana. You got to relax. Like, we put in our work. We shouldn't have to go through this. And, you know, and there's a lot of people that's going to watch this interview.

I'm just being honest. I'm not being cocky. I'm just saying. And this is how we got to continue to do it. When it's time for something to be put in this atmosphere, I'm going to be honest. I even go even deeper. If you can't go to drink champs, don't mind go to the breakfast club. Hmm. You can't go to the members club. I don't mind going to Joe Biden I'm the rapper you don't go to Joe button go to rap radar go to somebody that we know does approve from the culture with stripes

Don't go to Zane Lowe. Who the fuck is Zane Lowe? This guy is on Apple getting crazy. I'm sorry Zane Lowe, I like you as a person. I just don't know why you would get Drake and Nicki Minaj and Kendrick Lamar. When I've been to Compton, I've been to Southside. I've been to Toronto. Right. Right. Right. You motherfuckers understand?

This is how I'm out here. This the new boo boo, nigga. Give me a lighter. Give me a lighter. I need a lighter. Boo boo. Let me get another lighter here. Take this lighter.

I'm sorry, I'm on fire. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter.

I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. I need a lighter. Y'all bringing it out of me. Y'all bringing it out of me. Y'all bringing it out of me. No, but for real, that's when I started to notice that sometimes our culture, we love to be abused.

Artists, I don't know if it's artists or it's our people. We love to be abused. I see artists who will see a publication, diss them, and then that artist go back and go back and fuck with that publication. I've seen this multiple times. Like, we watched kanye but it's kind of like the only one when that tmz thing and then you know but why do you why do you think that it is like where people

just i think we just don't support each other we believe that we believe the dream i think you know i think our idea of success is whiteness. So our idea of success is not drink champs, but TMZ. Right. Our idea of success is, you know, not. Zane Lowe. You know, yeah, you know, Zane Lowe. I did a Zane Lowe interview.

It was great. I know, I know. It wasn't like my drink champs interview. What? It wasn't touching my drink champs interview. But, you know, even with our good brother, Ye, I think his idea of success is, you know, I got the Polo shit on. Polo. Ralph Lauren is his hero.

Elon Musk is his hero. Henry Ford is his hero. He want to be like Donald Trump. His idea of success is, like he said in his records, I'm going to climb to the top of the Mount, top of the Empire State Building. I'm King Kong. Nigga, I'm going to marry, I'm going to fuck the white bitch. Right.

And I'm going to fucking get all the white man shit Right on tour with common he had a bar and this we talked about Notice how he put man. He said it on the album. No, you gotta get your project brought me on to a But this is what he said quality for the coach No, that's what he said He had a bar that was like he said they you know how I know I ain't about shit cuz I got out He said I got a white girl a white watch a, a white girl to match my outfit or some shit. It was the bar, right? And my audience booed him. Right.

Every night. Right. You can't say that. Every night. The quality audience didn't want to hear that. Not with it. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, he used to, but he said that to me recently.

He said that to me a couple months ago. He said, I feel like the whole world is quality audience. You know what I'm saying? I said, my audience is right. Exactly. Basically, you know what the fuck. My audience made you better. You're outstanding now.

You're standing out. Word, man. Time going to tell, though, man. I really feel like sometimes people are moved to do things that we don't even know where it's coming from. True say. You know what I mean? So we ready to judge shit, coming from. True say. You know what I mean? So we ready to judge shit, but time will reveal. You know what I mean?

Well, time has taught us to brother come around all the time. Well, what do they say? They say that people love the come up, the fall down, and the come back. They say that's what they say. That's a VH1 movie right there. Yeah, yeah. I say it. I'm going to name my album after that. I'm no judge, man. I want They say that's what that's about. That's a VH1 movie right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I say it's by my own.

I'm no judge, man. I want to say I'm no judge. None of us are. And in the final analysis of this conversation, even as it relates to Kanye West, which has threaded somehow into a part of it. No, it has to be. I'm no judge.

No. Neither am I. And this is out of love, right? This is revolutionary love. Yeah, for real. And even like we're talking about what level of it takes to be successful and how we see success on a certain level. Like even as us as quote unquote people who are thought minded, you know, intentional, revolution minded. Look, we trying to usurp the throne.

We see. We trying to be rich. I'm trying to be rich. You trying to have. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. A billion dollars, right? Yeah, absolutely. Why not? There's only 12 black billionaires. Can we get 14?

But a lot of our community excludes that kind of understanding from it or how we... But you're not saying that excuses Kanye's behavior. No, no. You're making money. All right. We got a dumb audience.

I want to make sure. I don't want to say exactly that either. Okay, yeah, because you was going down a crazy path. I had to warn you. I had to warn you.

You said something weird because our audience would have been like. I'm really just understanding that like, it's going to take extraordinary circumstances to arrive at the,

the, the conclusion that we want to be at. Like, we want to be at like i want to be free i want to be uh have liberation a lot of people say i'm already free some people say oh money is freedom some people say oh well did you vote some people say this i i my point is we have to come to some commonality about it and it ain't easy and i got daughters five of them and i'm thinking to the future how long will it take for us to arrive at a place where I can really feel like this place is safe? We got to do something incredible.

We can't just think regular, you know. So, like, in real talk, like, so we have to include all of this in the conversation. Drink champs, Zane Lowe, Donald Trump, and Shorty dealing crack. All in equation. That's just what it is. Let me say something real quick. As someone, as an outsider, in the sense that you guys all know Kanye, I've only dealt with him a couple times as a DJ.

And as a fan of Kanye. We're all fans. As a fan, I'm saying this. That's the precursor to what I'm about to say. It gets to a point where there's damage that's being created by what he's doing Yeah, I think that's why we have to speak and that's starting to become scary And what would be getting the damage though? I think his father was his father was Do you think

What I think I don't think it's the follower issue. I think it's the actual president himself thinking that, oh, this guy invalidates me. I feel that I can do certain... He's already fouled. Is that Kanye's fault? No, it's not.

As an individual, I just feel like as a fan, I'm like, at a point, you've got to understand there's a damage you can't come back from. Here's a damage for me on a real personal level. I think the damage is me coming from, and I'm very privileged to have grown up with educators. I recognize that as a privilege. It's a privilege that most people don't have. God bless.

The misinformation and misdirection to me is very damaging. The fact that you go out there, you make statements that are not based on fact, but that are based on feeling. And then you say, you say on your Twitter and your Instagram,

feelings matter. Exactly. More than fact. And like we say, you say like the TMZ interview when he said, slavery part. Yeah, now Van Lathan

was there to correct him. Van Lathan was very eloquent. Notice the next TMZ interview was outside and we was Van Lathan. Right. No way to be fat. This is what I was calling knowing I got the word knowing you're going to TMZ.

Don't do it. When he apologized to Van Lathan that to me was a real Kanye. That was also dope. I'm like, okay, that's the moment. I'm sorry I hurt you, brother. Yeah, because that's the real shit. But when Kanye bigs up somebody like Candace Owens, Candace Owens comes after me on Twitter.

Right. And then I get called. Oh, that's the white girl? That's the black girl. Oh, the black girl? And then I get called a nigger and a monkey from straight up white supremacist, white motherfuckers. Like, your battle on Twitter is unfathomable.

I'm like, wow. Right? Like, really? But that's why I take a personal I see a personal effect Of like white supremacist Neo-Nazi motherfuckers Like Proud Boy

MAGA motherfuckers Be coming at me like You should be more like Kanye But is that Kanye fault too? It's not his fault It's not Because they gonna be like that They gonna find somebody else

It's gonna be somebody else That's what I'm saying A lot of Kanye Cuts the slack for all his shit That's his fault It's not his fault But going to be like that. They're going to find somebody else. It's going to be somebody else. That's what I'm saying. A lot of times you're against the slack for all this shit. But the reason why I have to give him some responsibility for it is because he is a grown man and he's making choices. He's making choices to align himself with people who are dead set on harming people of color. You're making a choice to align yourself with the people. And your choice is not an intentional choice. are dead set on harming people of color. You're making a choice to align yourself with the people. And you're making,

your choice is not an intentional choice. But as we know when it comes to oppression, it's not about intent. It's about results. You got the best intentions in the world. The road to fucking hell is paved with the great intentions. I think Kanye's intention is, I don't want y'all to see me

with the stereotypical image of a black man is. I'm free. I'm not your idea of what a black man is. Let me put on this MAGA black man is. I'm free. I'm not your idea of what a black man is. Let me put on this MAGA hat. Let me show you how much I'm not your idea of what a black man is. Remember, he did that with the flag. The Confederate flag. So he was trying this early.

Outcast did that. He did that. He did that. We love Andre. Andre did that. He went with the Confederate belt. You got me. You got me. But I would bet,

I'd be willing to bet, and I'm just saying, I'd be willing to bet that if you ask Andre 3000 today about why he wore that Confederate belt, which he did 20 years ago, he would change his tune. Ludacris,

when he was on the awards, he wore the whole Confederate suit. And then he pulled it off and he pulled it off and he had the red, black, and green shit under it. I think it's because their idea, with john and them had the confederate flag

burning on the cover april and mjg had the flag burning on the cover i think they came they did that after andre wore that because i think they the new south idea is that we from the south but and you know you could speak to it more than because you from florida you know what i'm saying like if he to it, you don't want to hear Like come on man down deep south my pops didn't allow me to watch Dukes of Hazzard my nigga like I could watch that at The crib and I used to go to my friends Even let me talk about the flag for a second, right?

Everybody get so hype about the Confederate flag, right? But the Confederate flag ain't got shit on the U.S. flag. It's the same flag. The U.S. flag is more responsible for slavery and all types of shit to this day.

They stopped the Confederate flag. More than. Than the Confederate flag. They stopped it now. I mean, to me, they all the sameederate flag I mean they all to me they all the same I ain't trying to say let's go hang up the confederate flag but I'm just saying the US flag

is no better you know what I mean it's no better than the confederate flag it's hypocrisy at least the confederate flag would tell you I think you need to be a slave at least they'll tell you the US would say everybody's free, but then in reality,

it's the okie-doke. So, you know what I mean? We're going to say, oh, the Confederate flag, that's the one. It's like all these flags. Right. I agree with you 100%. But I just got to say, now in this conversation, the viewing,

American public, I'm ready for a shot of Tiger Bone. It's going to be like, fuck that. in this conversation with the viewing American public. Yeah. I'm ready for a shot of Tiger Bone. It's going to be like, fuck that. Like, America first. Like,

Americans love America. America first shit. And that's the other shit. Americans love America. I don't mean to keep bringing it back to Kanye, but that's the other shit that disappointed me.

When he get on that America first shit, that to me is worst. Like, that's not it. Yeah, believe me. That ain't it.

Wait, wait, wait. But there's a comfortable... Kanye says we need to manufacture and we have to put America first, that nationalist shit. He'd be on that shit now. That's his new shit.

He's making his Yeezys and Calabasas right now. And now he's switching a factory to Chicago. That kind of shit costs $100,000. But my point is that at the end of the day, what really... you know i just think there is a limited view is a bubble that we see as america like it's privileged as fuck anybody who ever gets out of here is gonna understand it yeah anybody and it's and it's mad

yes my liver driver to the to the airport when we started this tour. We was talking. We was talking about the hurricane and all that. And somehow we ended up talking about Puerto Rico and the shit going on down there. And we went down there not too long ago seeing what was going on. I was telling him a little bit, like, they're not getting the aid that they need and things like that. And this was a problem, right? And it just, no disrespect to to him but just the ignorance he was like poor he said Puerto Rico yeah there you know there they part of us but not really they take and it is just the mentality

that you know otherwise he was a cool dude We've had this conversation, but that's it. He brainwashed. He has no idea. No, and so the whole issue is on that, man. There's no idea Puerto Rican's a slave to. You know what I mean? No Puerto Ricans are part of the US. Exactly, man. That's what the La Pela is. Like, La Pela, the projects right there, that's where they was fighting off. You know what I mean?

And then if you look at where they goes from, Loiza, them niggas darker than me. I spent a lot of time down there. I think I see my man Thurston Howard one day. Yeah, Thurston Howard, god damn. I'm going to fucking make the Roy Thurston Howard. And my man, my man, Nico Aydin, back there, we filmed a video. They had a song called Oh Hector.

We went to La Perla. We filmed a video there. So I'm going to send that to you, We're about to have Nico on the show right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we, we, I'll be, that's where I'll be at when I'm in PR. But look, though, that's the thing. So look that's the thing so we could talk about

Trump we could talk about gay we get celebrities you know they they get you know followers and like the collision but the people right the people that's lacking that real growth that real being woke you know I mean that's that's the issue none of these celebrities and politicians would matter if the people had sense as a whole. If we was putting in the work

to understand what's going on in our lives, then all this shit would be small. That's exactly it. The celebrities are the puppets. It's not just the celebrity world, it's the activism world too, as y'all know. When you're dealing with Activists and charities

And organizations People get caught up In feeling like a hero Exactly But if you Like Dead Prez taught me If you're not talking about Food, clothing, shelter

For the people What you talking about? All this hypebeast shit You know We get caught up It's very seductive Very sexy To talk about

All these celebrities All these You know what I'm saying? But let me just I'm sorry But I remember it was a certain time in the 90s growing up, right?

It was cool to be conscious. It was cool. I came up in that. To know, and now it's more gangbanging going on. How do we switch that back? How do we make it, you know what I'm saying?

We got to bring back the God bodies. Yeah, the real talk is that you've got to let these young dudes talk for real. Who's called real righteous teachers. For real, for real. They're not having real conversations. We're not recording the real conversations. We're recording the Versace conversations, the Billy Seaga conversations. And it's an evolution

because everybody don't want to be Paul Reiser. Behind the door, literally, out of your own stuff, and when they talk about getting their money, they talk about real business.

It comes down to brass tacks. It's not fucking round. It's real talk. And that's the shit that you want to hear. But I think that's it right there. It's not that we, what it is is that

the language changed, right? So we from the generation of the consciousness of the consciousness is more where you wear it on your sleeve. Like I'm black and I'm black and I'm black and I'm black. What I see with a newer generation is it's not so much wearing it on your sleeve. But it's about, well, who am I as an individual?

It's not so much relating to this social construct of race. You know what I'm saying? But it's more relating to community. You know what I'm saying? Which I think that's a powerful move. How about like even right right now like Dapper Dan Gucci finally like, you know, I had someone black so we're going out there We buy Gucci has a high time rate, but one DAP is not getting all that money not because he's not he's not designing everything

It's his brand but we don't most of us don't know that in fact Most of us don't know that most of us is going out buying Gucci because we like they hired that right and the same thing that I've heard you same thing my bird you know I was going like a night with a cat and I was going that's my last one yeah and then like you got even though the old lady I forgot in the army to call her old lady at the beautiful black lady that came to the award show and she wore tonight mm-hmm I saw that and it was not capping particular, it wasn't his shit, but she didn't, she was just unaware.

She was like, I'm wearing Nike for, and it's like, cool, we understand that, but if you're going to support it, support his stocking. And ain't the president, the president of Nike is a Trump supporter, and he donated his stuff. And he still, he still in the NFL as well. And he still donates to the NFL though as well. And Nike own mad prisons. Keep falling new money, man, you don't see. Wait, what? donated he still donates to the NFL though and like you know Matt prison keep on prisons has invested in mad reasons and American more in California

like and so I mean prisons it has a long time the prison industrial complex has been a crazy profitable investment for many people. Like, without conscience, a lot of people have become rich from niggas in prisons. Y'all knew that. Yeah. I performed in Valley State Prison last week with Carmen. Who hired Kaepernick. I feel like, basically, we got to get out of the bond.

That's why, for us, revolutionary but gangster was what made sense to us because You want to change things right? So what's this shit is my son general gangsta? And the other one I sell out I won't sell that what's the new in? Sold Not For Sale. Sold Not For Sale. I like them. I like them much. But the thing is balance. This is life. If you be on one extreme, right, you're going to be imbalanced. So it was a time in hip-hop culture where it was all about the art, all about the culture. And we pride ourselves on that.

We mastered our crafts. And we made that work in the world right but we want on top of the business right so then the flip side then the other side getting hip to I've been it's on the masters will be what we teaching each other through you know through the culture right and then we started focusing on that and to the to the without focusing on the culture though right so dinner was was all about the money And we still playing like

Yin yang Instead of the woke folks Getting the money You know what I mean Or the rich folks Getting some consciousness Because you need both You gotta have some sense and some values

But you gotta have some power And some bread To make certain things happen. So we've been learning this as a culture. Individuals learned it from their communities. Like a Jay-Z pedigree was get money. You know what I mean? He learned that from his circle. Right.

Right? To the point where he was like, I'm going to retire after one album. But how many people did Jay-Z teach through his actions, right? Whether you call him conscious or not. That's right. He empowered people with his actions, right? And then how many people done dropped all of the weight of the planet Earth and how far it is from the sun with no business, with nothing in place.

That's right. Not taking care of their kids. You know what I mean? So it's not about what you say on the mics. Absolutely not. with no business, with nothing in place, not taking care of their kids, you know what I mean? So it's not about what you say on the mics, and it's not about how much you got in the bank account. It's why are you in the position you in and what are you doing with it?

That's the new, that's revolutionary butt gangster. You know what I mean? Control your shit, you know? All day. Yeah, straight up. Straight up. That was hard, let's make some noise. Yeah. Clap, clap, clap, clap.

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and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Dead Press was on this 20 years ago, bro. Bust me that lighter and give thanks. You was too. And a lot of us really was. Like I said, this conversation is... If you're in capitalism, like this is the analogy.

If you live in capitalism, imagine that's an ocean, a polluted ocean. It's everything filthy you can imagine in this water, right? That's capitalism, right? But you in the middle of the motherfucking ocean, right? So and getting money, right, is swimming in

capitalism, right? So you can hate the ocean, it can be poison, it can be all that, but if you in the middle of the ocean, you gotta be swimming or you gotta be on a boat Or you fucked up Or drowning So you have to figure out

How to float And how to get towards Some land Something solid In the meantime So we can't ignore The system that we live in You know what I mean

We can't ignore That you gotta eat tonight You gotta eat But they still wanna watch football And they feel like Right They feel like they're not violating. I love football. Y'all, do you love football?

I like football. Did you watch football? I watched football. You did watch it? I watched. I didn't watch it. You didn't watch it at all? Did you watch it because of Kaepernick?

Did you watch it now, this season? I haven't got a chance to. Good, good. Tomorrow will be my first lesson. Do you think people have stopped watching it because of Kaepernick? I can't tell you people because... Do you think so? I don't watch too much sports but I can't imagine somebody who watches football would

stop watching. Some people have. I think some but I want to... Rihanna just turned down the Super Bowl. I love Rihanna for that. That's beautiful. I love Rihanna. I think Rihanna is...

I think Rihanna is... I think Rihanna is... I think Rihanna is... I think Rihanna is... love you. I love you. I think Rihanna is a supermodel. I think Rihanna is a supermodel. I think Rihanna is a supermodel. I think Rihanna is a supermodel. I think Rihanna is a supermodel. I think Rihanna is a supermodel.

You don't get no check for performing in the Super Bowl. I don't know if you know that. They pay for production and they pay for your travel and all that. Your record goes number one. Your record goes number one. A Cardi B, I heard she turned it down too. A Cardi B turned it down too. It's a noise for Cardi B too.

I think they understand their platforms, which is why they are who they are. The sisters always stand out. They understand their platform. They understand the power of their platform. Black girls rock. I don't watch sports that often, but I think that's a personal choice. You know, because I can't imagine.

I don't know. Y'all can tell me. I can't imagine somebody who's been watching football every year of their life, but who also is woke. Woke. And also agrees with Kaepernick's position, just saying, no, I can't. I'm not going to watch it.

But you might as well turn the whole TV off. Right. And don't look at nothing. Nothing. Because everybody's dirty. Yeah. Okay, if that's cool, then I get it, right? But my point is, I support Kaepernick.

Me too. I know him. Me too. I know him. Me too. I like that guy. Me too. And I understand where he's coming from. We all agree with that.

So then, if that's not going to work, I'm not saying it's not going to work. I'm just trying to say, that ain't stopping people from watching the fucking NFL. No.

Right. Or any of that shit. Right. So then what works? Because I think what he's on, what he's doing works. Yeah, but then how does that work? I think what he's on What he's doing works Yeah, but then how do we

I think it's bigger than the NFL How do we plug that into something that works? But the thing about it The thing about it is It was publicly known when Chris Stile didn't fuck with us And we actually made a difference And said fuck it That it was still a couple of knuckleheads

So all women are going to do that I ain't going to lie This is not Cristal. What's the difference between Cristal and NFL? Everyone didn't have access to Cristal because it was expensive. NFL is free. NFL is free. Cristal was

a luxury. It was a luxury. Who wasn't had luxury? Niggas like fuck We're still anyway, they couldn't afford it anyway But now now the nigga that get NFL for free now that's that's his that's his biggest so on the other hand I think it's like a dolly effect. Ali effect. I don't think they were able to see it when Ali was doing it.

When Ali was out there with the anti-war shit and when he was doing the Nation Islam shit, I don't think they saw it at the time. Yeah, he was hated and despised by certain people.

Yeah, and I think they were saying he would never work again. I think that the impact, he's bigger than boxing. Exactly. I think Kaepernick is on his way to something like that. Shout out to Kimbae Mutombo.

And shout out to all those brothers, all the athletes or athletes who do take them sacrifice because there's so many who have gone down that road. I'm begging Rapinoe. These people who have gone against the grain and made the NBA say, no, you can't come here no more. What Mutombo did, I thought he know no no no no no no no no no people took off a lot of people that that lose are the ones that we big up and they're like Colin cap right there he was a man of integrity yes like we

all can I don't that right yeah but people mad because he got a check from Nike Right did like he was happy. Oh, man. Who's like, you know, just racism from the People be talking a test. I think that's a bit but but hear me out All right, he my thing is captain stood on his shit like he's got 100 right more than 100 right other 20 man jobs work and I don't want to bet that I'm gonna be lost last name every remember every part right you still got a family and you lost work you know I mean what about the win see we want to focus on and I think that was a win to he is a winner and before he got that Nike check with the money he was making

from the NFL he was donating millions here and there. Dropping a million here, dropping a million here. He took a plane to Somalia. Doing all that shit, so he's clear and smart, man. Who took a plane to Somalia? Cap, with supplies. Somalia, a place where you can't even land, a place that... Is it a issue and shit?

Straight, where the U.S. has straight... No, Cap walk the walk Bay area Conversation I mean he bought that he's trying to Humble and spirit knows that at the end of the day we don't all know at all but ready to be like how can I do it? And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it.

And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it.

And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it.

And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. And doing it. Racism is to have, you know, not just us, but have the white people there who disagrees with racism fighting with us. Right. That means he got white parents who are great people. You know what I'm saying? His parents are great people. He got a lot of good people around him. Yeah, man. I'd like to shout out to the people who have been molding him in the Bay Area who introduced me to him.

Who are, like, very protective of the fact that they know that like uh he's powerful yeah and being an athlete is but what he comes from has integrity and they like yo this is the bay area you know this this man this is the panthers you know and and the bay has been a vanguard for the whole time yeah you know they're like we don't know it all but we know yeah our parents with my parents people's move going out to the Bay Area to get that black Panthers. Yeah To the value system man, that's what the OG shit is based on. That's what the Panthers based on That's what families based and that's what they miss and value and that's why we have people in our community Who are celebrities because of the engagement they're missing the connection to that

You know saying like they missing that like and You know what I'm saying? Like, they missing that. and you know what? I don't want to, I really try my best not to fucking be on some get off my lawn shit. You know what I'm saying? Like,

I really try not to be on some awful shit. Like Stanley Friday? Oh yeah. Get off my lawn! Yeah, I don't want to be the get off the lawn dude.

That's not who you want to be. You know what I'm saying? But, but, but when it, when it come to policy, when it come to community, like like I'm not talking about rap shit You know right right right rap shit look look pop probably is as good as niggas think he is

How would I know? My sensibilities has nothing to do with any of that. You know what I'm saying? But when it comes to the shit we're talking about, you have to look at what the OGs did before you

not to emulate them, not to copy them, but to also learn from their mistakes. You know what I'm saying? To also, because you're standing on their shoulders.

I'm sorry, I gotta cut you off. This is mad girls to come and see dead breasts and top. Let's bring some new artists in. I have two more dresses, let me do that. Okay, this is it. I just want to give a shout out to my wife who walked in the building. You felt that rush. I remember when we just walked in here to see these guys. These guys are great, man.

All right, so one thing you could take away if you had to stop and do it over at hip-hop. If you could take it away. Wow, man, that's too tough, bro. To stop and do over? Whatever. Whether it's yours or someone else's, whatever. That's a hard question. Yeah, that's like... I'm an artist. Because niggas or someone else's, whatever. That's a hard question. Yeah, that's like, I'm an artist.

Because niggas don't be having no regrets. You know... That was fucked up, but I learned from it and I grew from it. Like my man D1 told me in a rhyme one time, if I could have been the dude who was in the lobby, who could have told the girl, don't go upstairs and see Pop, and turn around, your life would be better

and both of y'all could save you a lot of hell. Maybe I'd be that person. Yeah. Shout out Heron. Hold on. Come on, man. Okay, then you're Heron the man.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Come on, Heron. Come on, baby. You don't want doing our show tonight. Okay, did you hair on the mat? Yeah They're Bob alive in Miami again long time Bob alive in Miami Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, heyai. Hey, you know, I'm sold out. We have to sell out every once in a while. Every once in a while. Hey, we got to sell out a little bit. But go ahead, my bad. No, I think I'm with Kwai.

Like, you know, I don't really do regrets. You know what I mean? So, like, you know, for me, I say this on a personal note. Like, I came into hip-hop and I got influenced by street shit. Right? Okay, maybe I said it wrong. Okay. Okay. Maybe I said it wrong Maybe I speak about some industry shit. Maybe it's a someone who asked you to get on a record Like Rihanna actually do a look

Now I feel very very very happy with choices I made in the game. You know what I mean? Look, y'all, look like you. I'm going to say, you know, we got a chance one time. Yo, shout out to Londell McMillan, like, to work with. That's the lawyer? Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

Continue. He's going to be interested. I feel like this is going to be interesting. Yeah. So he introduced us to Rest in Peace Prince, and we went on the same night that we were introduced to. You better not say it. But look, so you better not say it. We did.

I remember that. Yeah. You better not say it. But now, yeah, I just want to say that. Like, I didn't do a record with you? Yeah, no, we spoke about it right there. And there was a record called Dear Mr. President. Yeah.

Yeah, that was crazy. And sign of the time, take over. Wait, this record exists? Yeah, it doesn't exist,

but I regret that it doesn't exist because it could exist. It could exist. Yeah. Like, very clearly. We could follow up on it.

Yeah, we could have followed him, we could have made it happen. And he was very clear about what it was he wanted from us. Hold on, let me stop. This is a great story.

This is wild. Yeah, thank you. Okay, hold on. I'm glad to share it. Because, you know, Prince knew who you niggas was. And it was crazy because... I ain't gonna lie. When Will Smith said, you don't know who I am, I said, nah.

You don't know who the fuck I am, Will. I was so like... More than he knew who we was. He had an opinion about it and I and I just cuz And I don't think it's no disrespect I mean Me neither so I'm gonna say this I'm gonna say this here. He was like look I want y'all to help first of all. He's like I'm gonna say this Of course you're gonna say this Look at that Look at that I'm so into this Meat on the bone I'm gonna say this here He was like

Look I want y'all to First of all he's like I'm a Jehovah's Witness I don't want you to curse On the record Which was ill Because I came up to Prince And I came up to a nasty Prince

Like so it was like Wow okay He wanted to do a song About dear Mr. President But he don't want us to curse And he said But I don't want you to be soft And he said like

Like Like I would work And this is no respect I don't want you to be soft. And he said, like, like, like, I would work, and this is no respect, no disrespect, this is just real, as real as it was in our conversation. Damn, should I share this?

Yeah. Okay, fuck it. It's just real as it was. Because I love this brother to death. But he's like, I would like, I know, like, I like Common, but I like y'all because what y'all do.

So I want y'all to do that. Pardon me, I used to turn that off. It's cause the show is tonight. And he was like, give me dead press. Don't give me Common. You know what I mean? He was like, be, you know, talk. Be raw.

Be raw. Be raw. You know what I mean? And he was specific about that. You know what I mean? I just got to ask, did he have on a purple shirt? Yes.

What? Yes, I think yes. Probably a whole purple outfit. He looked like this tall. Straight up weird. Yeah, straight. I think he really did have on purple. Yeah, straight.

And that wasn't the first time. But anyway, I just want to say big up to him. And I really, because I envisioned that record, and maybe we should just take that record, Dear Mr. President, and fuck with it. It might be poignant right now. That's crazy. Might be the right time. Might and fuck with it. It might be poignant. That's a great way to put it. Might be the right time, right? That might be the right time, right?

Might be the right time. You didn't get to record with Prince, did you? I didn't record with him, no. But your girl DJed for him, I remember that. Yeah, he gave us the incredible Prince song. He was DJing for him and I did a few shows with him. And you're gonna give it to one show that maybe we didn't speak about before?

That's like a little we love great stories Yeah, I never met him. I know I'm never impressed. I think it was the crazy Prince or I saw that Yeah, Prince of Mabdi, but I never um, I never met friends or to fun. I met big I Met to pop and I never met Mike. I smoked a blunt with Tupac and John Forte and see knowledge Indigable plan that's crazy at the country club. You know, what's crazy? I was technically conscious at first. Yeah, I know that that Tupac looks now come on This is an underground story and all that shit that hooked me up with my homies cool Like hook me actually there's a point where people not really love Tupac and his journey

People who love Tupac, swear it on the video Trap it, trap it, trap it Exactly Tupac shit, that sold the story, fucked me up But you smoked a blunt, let's keep it there for a second Yeah man You smoked a blunt with Tupac Tupac and Biggie

They was together? And Sarah Jones, you know the poet Sarah Jones? She was there too Is this one night or is this separate? This is John Forte's birthday party They were together? And Sarah Jones. You know the poet Sarah Jones? She was there too. Sarah Jones. Is this one night or is this separate? This is one night. This is John Forte's birthday party. Tupac, Big, and Sarah Jones.

Wow. You're a badass. It wasn't John Forte's birthday party. Jessica Rosenblum had a party at Country Club. Okay. And I think maybe Enough or Flex was DJing or something. Okay. And Tupac was performing and Big showed up.

Or Big was performing and Tupac showed up I don't remember which is it when they're just wearing walk away. It was to walk away And then she has very good. Yeah that era might have been Palladium My head a bit now it was country. It was country club. Okay, I'm up in this like in the 70s. Okay, okay Okay, and um, yeah, man, it was a sea knowledge was around That's why he in that that's what every time I see that Flavor of the Year video, and he coming with the crew like that, I'm like, because he was hanging out. That was like the club clip.

The niggas in the Flavor of the Year video. Like Rampage, Busta, you know what I'm saying? Big Puff, you know what I'm saying? We used to see C-Knowledge, we used to see Downtown Brooklyn. We just moved. It was on the same block. We moved to Brooklyn. We came to Brooklyn from Tallahassee, we was right there on St. what was it

right downtown st. Eliot what was it was this what is the spot with 40 acres was that oh right across from Brooklyn Tech yeah so boom we used to play that block we had no way to go we was really virtually homeless, virtually. So we hung out on the block, and we used to see knowledge over there. We was young. Right, and his nigga has a fucking... At that time, he was platinum.

Platinum, with a brand name and some shit. So we ran up on him, and we scared the shit out of him. Yeah. In a way, we scared him. Yeah, he from Philly, but he wasn't... We scared the shit out of him, because we were hungry.

We were hungry, young, and seeing the shit. But, yeah, we know C-Mal is not part of it. Alright, before we bring the homie in, I just want, for all three of y'all, your favorite era in hip-hop. Favorite era in hip-hop? It don't matter, it don't matter if you in it or not. BDP. Era. All day. Is that golden era then? Is that BDP 88?

That's what I was about to say. 88 is the year. 88. Don't at me. Yeah. Don't debate me. 88. 19 motherfucking 88.

88. That's the year. Yeah, 88. That's Eric B. That's paid in full. That's light as a rock. He's a DJ. I'm a rapper.

That's right. That takes a nation to millions. And everything you're saying right now. That's business. That's Great Adventure's Slick Rick. That's the world's greatest right now. That's tricky business. That's the great adventure of Slick Rick. That's the world's greatest entertainer. That's all 88. That's 88.

That's it, ladies and gentlemen. It's 88. Time to set them straight. Because they don't have a stepping. Critical beatdown. So my point is, like, all Juice WRLD fans probably don't know none of those records. Yeah, they don't. So shout out to y'all. Leave them alone.

That's the new... No, no, here, go, no, we just got a whole discography for you to go study right there. Why? Why do you say that about Juice WRLD? I don't understand. Because I know that, I know the reference points. I talk to the, I'm in the studio with the young people. Wait, wait, I don't know what you're talking about.

When I say old raps, they be like, what did you just say? You say, I'm like, no, that's my camp. Like, but then they have no reference points. So my point is like, that's important to know that we're 80, we're 80 and we... We talking about

the Juice WRLD, the guy that got the... The guy who was singing on the Nas beat? Yeah. That guy. Who was dope. Why?

Was he just an interviewer? Which is a sting song. I need to know why you said that. He has an interviewer where he doesn't know that it was Nas beat or something? I think it's just

that's the hot shit. That's the hot shit right there. Yeah, I he's just talking about that's the hot shit. That's the hot shit right there. Yeah, I'm saying hot shit. That's the hot shit. I'm not being specific to him. Oh, okay, okay. You're just saying that.

He's symbolizing general hotness right there. I thought it was an interview that I didn't know about. No, no, no. Pardon me. The pretty ones watch. He got into his host mode. Yeah, yeah. I was like, when is this interview?

I didn't see this. No facts here. I'm just kind of putting a generalization out that this audience is the one who really, I think, if what's going on right now, absorb that shit, help us. That's my dream. I would love to see that happen. So you 88 as well? Of course.

I'm right with you. I'm 88. 88. Oh, by the way. 95, 96. Yeah, 95, 96 is making a strong run. Black Moon. That's 93, 92, 93, 92.

I said the favorite era. So it can actually stretch. It can span. It can stretch this here. So 88 to 93. 92 to 95. Because in 1991, that's when you have like Trapcore Quest, Dodge Effect, Cypress Hills, Looper Dre, all gone platinum. That's 91?

Like, 99. That's got to be 92, right? Yeah. No, I said, what was 92? That's 93. That's 93. So, like, 88 to 93. And y'all forget about the West Coast.

Well, and the 92. In the 90s, that early West Coast, like, we talking about what? We talking about High Road Olympics crew. That's 93. 93, yeah, that's 93. Come on, 92 and 95 is one of the best. We talking about boots and them, you know what I'm saying? We talking about that error right there.

Well, hold on. See, now you got to define the errors because now our error is stretching. You see on Drees' chest, we give you 10. 10? So give him a 10. So 88 to 98. 88 to 98. Oh, that's easy. That's easy. we give you 10. 10? We give them a decade. So 88 to 98. 88 to 98.

Oh, that's easy. That's easy. I'll put you there. We had to do that. That's an easy one. I'm here to make it. And R.E. came to that one. Yeah, hell yeah.

We did it. We did it. We did it. Hey, that's an easy one. That's an easy one. That's an easy one. That came out in 98. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. I'm proud of the Couch Struggles. You both made it. You made it. You made it. You made it. You made it.

You made it. I got two in there. I got the War Report which is 97 and then I'm not gonna lie the reason why I gotta say that is because

it was fun back then like sometimes I don't know if these kids is having fun or they just high sometimes they both I think kids is having fun or they just high. Sometimes, it's both. I think they're having fun, too,

though, man. They're having fun being high? No, not high. It's a different kind of fun. I think they're having fun. It's a different kind of high, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a different kind of high.

They're always high. Big up to 10-0 carries, not getting high at all. The Pilly, the Pilly, that's just heroin addicts. Yeah, that's a little different. The heroin addicts.

Even when crack came, man, you know, it was early. It was a song called Crackers. Even rolling the woods was just... Where's the nigga saying lean is not the shit? Yeah, at this point. Where's that nigga at? Let me tell you his name. Let me tell you his name.

Coach Nimb. Coach Nimb is his name. You said, where's the nigga that said lean ain't the shit? Coach Nimb. At Coach Nimb. Okay, big him up. Fit hop music. You said, where's the nigga that said lean ain't the shit? Coach Nym. At Coach Nym. Okay, big him up. Fit hop music. Fit hop. Healthy is the new gangster.

That's what we are. God damn it. We got to talk about RBG Fit Club, man. For sure. And we're going to bring it home to our live artist, right? Well, he's not my artist. I don't own him. But he's pretty good. Oh, my bad.

So it's time for me to take a pee-pee break. I'll bring a man. Make him up. Yeah, let's do that. So there you go. I'll bring a man. Mike Amon. Let's do that. So there you go. Are we done? Are we done? No, no, no.

We got a couple more minutes. You gotta take pictures. You gotta do what you do when you go to white media. But we're just black media. That's all. Don't forget about the Chico's. I'm sorry. He ain't sorry.

Take a piss, bro. Yeah. That's not taking a second. I think it's mandatory. Drink chance or pee chance? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He's taking a piss, bro. Let's do it.

I think it's mandatory. Drink chance or pee chance? Pee chance? I told you this is what I do, man. I got to cut my mic off, and I'm going to be a few pips in it. It's not a lie. Jeez. Quiet on the set.

We got to join, though. We need to join. Yeah, exactly. We need to open the palate. Open the palate, babe. quiet on the set but there's no way Shaggy got something with that right there. It is because people like cognac. It's finally there. I'm petrified. Take three. But it's smooth. It's smooth as motherfucker, man.

That aspect of it. I like it. It's nice. It's cognac. Shaggy. Shaggy the singer? Yeah. Shaggy the singer.

So, drink chance back for the brotherhood. I want to big up to let people know we are all Revolt TV. And we always, you know, drinks are rock. And we always support that ball as well. You know, that's Shaggy here. That's flipping around. Yeah, flipping around. That is Shaggy.

He has his own Coco Yak. It's coconut butter in my mind. I could be mistaken. In my mind and cognac. And look, it's also Lil Wayne shit. I want to make a little Wayne to run yeah that's good too I think it's about right we take a shot at that because you know what I can't do that that brand of me support saying artists support artists and didn't mean that not open that back to that because I'm really not a car

yet dude even though I do fuck with me I like that you y'all like that. I'm not a kind of guy. I stopped you've been drinking though Yeah, I have because you don't have whiskey, but it's cool I'm gonna be honest I wanted to do a study because, like, I want to see, like, why are people genetically, like,

because it's like what you drink might be racist. Why would black people drink so much Coney Island? Black people drink Coney Island. Black people drink Coney Island because it's fucking cheap.

Why drink whiskey? I think we're genetically. I think we're genetically. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I'm not saying, I think every race is like that. I think that's the reason why certain... I'm being honest. Right, because I'm giving out like rum? Yeah.

Do you like rum? Yeah, I love rum. See, it's not racist. It's true. Right. But if you've been put on the shit, you drink it, and that's what it is. Because I came, I did it all. You know what I mean?

I started with E&J. You know what I mean? Going to high school. I started with Amaretto. You was a foul nigga. Right. Straight up. If you started out with E&J, I know exactly who you are.

Randy, I know exactly who you are. And so my point is like, I would have, you know what I mean? That's that worst part of the week. Right. And through stages. When Hand came out, when Mobb Deep had the Hennessy jerseys, I went, you know what I mean? That's that worst part of the week. Right. And through stages. When Hand came out, when Mobb Deep had the Hennessy jerseys, I was rocking Hand when I went through the stages. And I went to Mexico and I got tequila in my system for many years before all of the tequila vibe. And now I'm arrived at whiskey and it just is what it is.

You can't judge me. You can't judge me you can't judge I honestly feel like I feel like what I've noticed is I feel like at the end of the drinking is a game with levels you go get your whiskey at some point right if you don't you ain't really drinking really you know what is whiskey what is what is it give us a whiskey like I drink Jameson I'm James yeah I drink black on the rockon? Yeah, I drink... You like Black on the Rock, huh? That's whiskey, right? Yeah, some people drink the Black Johnny Walker, Black Red and the Green.

That's so cool. It is cool, but... You know, my... You know, I... That don't... Like, I'm going to be honest. That don't change your mood, though? I have a...

No, I don't drink heavily. I feel like whiskey juice. I call it angry. But I can tell you... Look at me juice, actually. That's cognac. Oh, man. I don't know, man.

I was introduced to whiskey in Ireland, and the reason why I know about Ireland is because it makes a noise for the flaws nah nah nah like that it's black people it's black people in Ireland really really is but really more than that, the Irish people got a connection to the black revolution, and I'm going to go right there, because that's the reason why I respected it the most.

When we went to tour in Europe, it was the Irish and the Scottish people who came to us and was like, yo, what is your opinion? What do you think about Rupert Murdoch? They hate Rupert Murdoch. Through the IRA and all that movement too?

All that movement. All that movement. All those people are also, you know, associated or friendly with anti-imperialist movements around the world. And when I say anti-imperialist, I mean anti-capitalist, colonialist. And I know these are deep words for whatever. I just want to say that that's the reason why we can relate.

Because we know we have common likeness. So the Irish people is like, I support Malcolm X. I'm like, what does whiskey taste like? And that's how that happened. That's a journey. Well, listen, we are celebrating tonight. You brothers, you brothers being here,

you know, we had a great conversation and we're going to, this is what I continue to say, we have to keep supporting us, man. Tonight, that Perez, Tyler, what's your name again? My brother can't pronounce it wrong. You know, I'm in this lesson Nico Nico Who is amazing who has a fantastic present coming out with some of you partner Green shot, green shot, M-O-N, big chat. I wish you all the love in the house.

So tell us the connection. Tell us what's going on here. Oh, excuse me. I mean, I met neither of you. You met him at Prince's house. Yes. Let's go vibing right now. They have the same hair stylist. Yes. Yes. Prince house yes it's nice right yeah that's what I'm saying jobs a little way

maybe support artists if you were rapper you see your product big up to up Earl man eat 40 as well man I can't believe we have no heat 41 I'm gonna make sure right. I'm going to make sure I don't. I was about to say, too, here on the West Coast, same time, E-40 during the 83, 93. What was it? That was our spam? Yeah, E-40, straight up.

I school all the rappers' brands here. While we at it, then, shout out to Outlaws. I'm supposed to use your green juice, too. When you come out with your green juice, I'm going to have it right here. Shout out Outlaws. They got a new water, alkaline water coming out called Immortality. So Outlaw Immortals. Say that again?

Outlaw Immortals. You know what I mean? The whole legacy. Send us up so I can replace the essential right here. Hey, Noble, you hear that, man? He got you. Noble, what's good? So once again, my bad.

Oh, yeah. So Nico is from Brazil, and I met him in Orlando. Wow, he's from Brazil Orlando and he's one of my favorite MCs. That's a nice one. And, you know, we have to go on tour.

Nico dropped the album called Brutus a couple years ago. His new album's called Unico. And, you know, I'll let Nico speak

for himself, man. That's beautiful. Beautiful. It's an honor to be here, man. Cheers, y'all.

Oh, man, cheers. God damn, all right. I hope you live a hundred years. Peace and love. Beautiful. It's an honor to be here, man. Cheers, y'all. Oh, man. Cheers. Cheers. I hope you live a hundred years. Peace and love. How'd you meet him? Listen, man, I was born in Brazil, and I grew up in Orlando, and I was doing music out there,

and his son was going to school out there, and then destiny just made it happen, you know? Wow. He walked into a nightclub, got handed my mixtape, and the next day we did a record. Shout out to Triska. Free Triska. Yeah, my brother Triska locked up. He wants to have bars. Something like that, yeah.

He got bars. And all of a sudden, it's like, you know, fast forward a few days, I'm freestyling him in his year and his nightclub. That's what it was. It was really the freestyle, you know. You know, I come from a tradition of freestyle back in the day. And, you know, shout out to Super Nat. Peace and peace of love super now you know what i'm saying like people like that and i'm greg g and i heard nico freestyle on a level that i haven't heard freestyle in a while you know we got a hit

never heard you heard anyone freestyle on drink chances the first beautiful I appreciate it, you know, was not supposed to say that publicly This way we come in you be as beautiful as the first time a new MC that's beautiful He compared you to see when that We're natural. No, I mean, look. And Craig G. And Craig G. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. No pressure. It's beautiful. That's all. Let's assume beautiful people.

You're going to say a word. He's going to start the rhyme off with that. And then in between the rhyme, then you say a word, and then you say a word. Pictionary. Is it like Pictionary? You say a word.

And if you're going to get this, it's the one, two, three, four, five. Rap legends. The five barrel of death. The five barrel of death. First time on Drinks Chat. The five barrel of scissors. Can we switch the language?

Can we do it in Portuguese? Finally. Ain't gonna join. Let's join Lil Bum and Lil Bum. Lil Bum. Please. No Let's go. Lil' Bump. My bad. I like how I'm doing. Do it.

Let's get Lil' Bump. Let's do it. One of them, baby. Lil' Bump. I think you can do it. We do what we need to do, man. I'm honored to be here. You ready?

Everybody, can you do it? Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! All right, ready? Automatic. He told me automatic. He said, stop the track. He said, it ain't gonna stop. Where's the chakra at? He met Chakra Khan. She's a nice woman. She's doing great.

She's a nice woman. She's a nice woman. She's a nice woman. She's a nice woman. She's a her. She's a her. I'm doing better than next day. There it is. Kung Fu.

He said, listen, I'm gonna move to a monastery and study Kung Fu. Kung Fu. He said, young dude. He said, look what he's telling me when it's hard when we're shooting videos with Thirsty Howl in the jungle. It's hard for me to be humble when you got to put the okra in the gumbo. Shoot. It's delicious.

It's a fact. It's not a rap. Hyperbolic. What is it? Hyperbolic. Oh, hyperbolic. Find a prophet. He said he probably see the P-I-N-P. That's why he got a stuck.

He said find it in a pocket. Suit. Fala a verdade. No sabe. No vai falar. When he said it's hyperbolic. Sebre está no está. Okay.

Wow. I wrote that in the 80s. It was a long time. It was a long time. Oh, okay. I wrote that in the 80s. It was a long time. It was a long time. How do you say thank you in Russian? Na zhorovya? Spasiba.

Spasiba. Spasiba. Dang, you throwing other languages at me? No, man. You know how to say it me. No, man. You know I'm male. You know what I'm saying. Gotta throw some different. Go ahead. Spasiba.

We was levitating. He was meditating with Mos in Barcelona, watching La Liga. He said, I'm talking to peace. Peace to the leader. Peace, that's why we say peace to Frida. That's why we saying peace to the OGs, peace to the leaders, and peace to the creature. Peace to the beast.

That's why the beast is never equal. He said, me, that's different. Negativity is awful. There's no squares in my circle. That's not a waffle. He came here off of the top of the dome. I'm with Stick, man. I'm with Tolo.

Peace to the love. Peace to the Zulu. Peace to the Lolo. He said, peace to the YouTube. My OG 46 on the Bluetooth. He said, listen, I'm trying to call you, but you're not picking up. I said, listen, it's an adrenaline rush. I'm sitting with Nori. Peace and love. Peace to FN. Peace and energy.

Peace and love. Listen, no pressure. It's not awkward at all to rap with your legend. Off the drink. No pressure. No pressure. Chocolatas. Chocolatas. Chocolatas. Chocolatas! Chocolatas!

Chocolatas! Chocolatas! A mi me dice parece nori una chancleta. Me encontraron en Argentina fumando manteca. Me dice a little bit different. He said I know the leader. He said peace and love and peace to freedom. Shoot! Alright. It was a theme song. I hit it the wrong time! It's that Red Keith!

That Red Keith! Jesus! What I want to tell y'all, man, is Hip Hop We alive, we well Cause you're gonna do, I know, you're doing his final goodbyes and it's going to be a great speech. But we need to talk about RBG Fit Club.

Because it inspires me when I see the movement. It inspires me too. I need that fit. I need that fit. Right on. Hold on, wait, wait. Since you did that, do the introduction, man. Goddamn, clap it up for RBG Fit Club. Yeah, clap it up for RBG Fit Club. Hold on, give me more of that. Clap it up, let's clap it up Man, goddamn

For everyone being like wait, what's what's the air horse for and now he's directing the air I'm a conscious content Conscious content creator fucking MC. That's my new title. You want to know. Anyway, yeah. Go ahead. So, yeah. I mean, quick to the money. Like, shout out to my wife, who is my partner in the RBG Fit Club. You got another podcast, too. Yeah. RBG Fit Club podcast.

What it basically is, is, you know, about 12, 15 years ago, woke up in Brooklyn with gout in my leg from being a drink champ. You know what I mean? Wow. And it smoked out all the time and and i decided to clean out you know nine years sober no no weed no alcohol and just changed my life and i started studying martial arts and uh yoga and running and became a long distance running coach marathon all that shit and i i didn't know that the physical training was going to take me somewhere different just in optimism.

You know what I mean? I had a lot of pessimism with just being in the struggle, people on crack in my life and all that. And when I seen just through training and being focused how it made a difference for me, I wanted that for more people. So we created RBG Fit Club for that to be a platform. It's based in five principles, knowledge, rest and consistency you know what i mean and uh me my wife is a

nutritionist so that's how i got rid of gout natural and um and so yeah rbg fit club we say healthy is a new gangster and you know we go hard on that. And it's just about inspiring people for healthy living. So, you know what I mean? Yeah. In a nutshell. God bless you. Thank you. I feel terrible about opening this next bottle.

But I'm going to get my life together eventually. Yeah. At least I know you're not. Let me say, though, no, because, again, it ain't a judgment thing. We all got different balance and all that. It's about nourishing yourself. It's about training, right? But most of all, it's about enjoying life, you know what I mean?

And just having the wisdom of balance. So you tell them, you can enjoy life. You got to. You can. But what balance do you have? You know, alcohol,, getting drunk is enjoying life. And it can be fun. But you can also enjoy discipline.

You know what I mean? You can enjoy the sweat. You know what I mean? It's therapeutic when you run it. When you're pushing yourself, you can really enjoy that. Like, when you run, you get a runner's high. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, when you're eating the right food, some of the things that you crave,

when you're eating better, you don't crave the same thing. Like, you know, I used to love to drink Urk and Jerk. You know what I mean? All that. But once you start. What's Urk and Jerk? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

You know what I mean? So, you know, all that shit. You know what I mean? So, you know, all that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. South shit. You change your cravings change. You know what I mean? You know, you go to Queen of Four and get a colonic and get cleaned out.

In Brooklyn, Queen of Four. A sip of Henny will tear your stomach up. You know what I mean? So it's just about, you know, for me, it was about I got bigger values than just being high all the time. You know what I mean? I want to be there for my sons a certain kind of way. And I want to be fit. You know what I mean?

I don't want to be limping and shit in my 20s. You know what I mean? I want to have more balance. So it's about longevity. I just want to say and support as my partner, and I mean, some people who have gained their journey through healthiness and wellness, through some of their present songs,

like, be healthy. And as we're sitting here, as inebriated as we are, I just want to say that. Look at the devil sitting on the train right now. The devil right here. And I'm going to let the devil sitting on the train right now. Looking at us. The devil right here. Sitting on the train. And I'm going to let the devil go by. And so I just want to say there's

a lot of people who, during our shows, say thank you for sending me on a journey through health and wellness through this song, Be Healthy. And we wrote it at a song where he wasn't really that healthy. You know what I'm saying? And that's the oxymoron and the thing that people always... He's trying to get there. People are always on their journey.

People are learning, changing, growing through the process. It's all good. And I love to see how many people have now with the embracing of what health and fitness is in the world. And it's a beautiful balance. Like, yeah, we get fucked up.

But a lot of us are really like, you know, we understand the importance of drinking water or going to the gym. I see a lot of our artists out here working out

and people like Stiles P, I see Jim Jones, I see, you know what I mean? Like, so many artists who are in the gym, you know,

50 Cent and, you know, Game or whoever, anybody who who's who understands and I'm it can be egotistical but the part imposter was part of the fact that people say yeah I want to kind of be here yeah yeah and it's not just about what you look like, like how much you weigh. Like that's the surface level of health. For us, it's holistic health, right?

So it's how we feel. You know what I mean? You became vegan at 21? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, 21, 22. At such an early age, 21 years old, people is a McDonald's legend.

That's what got me gout. We was fighting every day with everything. We was going through journeys of figuring out vegetarianism and veganism. There wasn't even a really aspect of vegan. Then at that point, there wasn't a thing. They still had something to sausage in their capsules. So at that point, we trying to figure it out.

We like, okay, stop eating beef. The message to the message, stop eating pork, chicken, and beef. What do we eat? We used to drown and relapse

in Kentucky Fried Chicken and goddamn double cheeseburgers and shit. But just because during the week, we're trying to stop so hard, but it's a balance, and it's a lifestyle. It's a culture. It's a culture. People can have a knowledge, right?

That's another thing. You can have an information, right? We know we're supposed to drink water. We know we're supposed to eat greens. We have the information, right? But we don't have the inspiration to grab it on it Right. So that's what RBG fit club is about. It's create using we make music around it. So like So you can have the inspiration to do it like this some like coach them new album healthy gangster

Like it's about when you when you need that extra push. When you felt like half assing today, now you gonna give it 110% because it's motivating. You know what I mean? Like that's the part missing. This is information age. It ain't no information you can't get. But you can't get, you can't, information don't apply itself.

You know, inspiration gotta do that. So we use the culture to bring it forward. That's beautiful. Shout out. Shout out. Thank you. Once again, I want you brothers to know that in hip-hop, we have no age limit.

We have no limitation. We have no nothing. We can continue to do this shit for as long as we want. We ain't playing football. We ain't running as we want. We ain't playing football. We ain't running on our fuck bean. We ain't basketball. Our knees can drop out. I'm a Williams. My knees is not good

from the beginning. Everybody black named Williams got bad knees. I'm going to throw that out there. I believe you. You guys only get better with time. I believe you. What I'm trying to tell you, in our life, these people want to push us out of this and they want to just because they say it's a young man's sport and they could be a young man's sport.

That's a young man's version. Right. Oh, okay. It's a young man's version. Yeah. Hip hop is, I mean, it's wrong by the youth that's why we can't really like really like critique them too much because that's their thing the thing is the thing is we have our own audience to cater to that's right we should be worried about their audience at all yeah I see in our shows straight

up we talk about old school in our show, right? And when you say the word old school, people think they automatically think of time, period, right? But that's not what old school means. Old school means a certain set of values. You know what I'm saying? And that's timeless. You know what I'm saying? So it's not about going back to an era and trying to recreate that.

It's having the values in 2018, you know, that's timeless. Right. You know what I'm saying? Timeless. And this is what I'm trying to tell the New Brothers is, you know, so many people, so many, you know, they just go unappreciated. And sometimes a person don't even, you don't even get the chance to hear. Thank you and the stop the position that you brothers took as a person that knew better, but I was just so involved with the other part of like I was I was I knew I knew how to talk to the gangsters

Way more than I speak to them, but I also spoke to the God bodies. If you listen to my music, I spoke to them because that's where I came from. But you brothers was out front. Y'all were frontline brothers. I was second row. I appreciate you. That's real. And that worked vice versa. You know what I'm saying? I feel like me, like Nas, and people like that, we were second row because we had to still we want to still fuck bitches and shit

Even even what it like we big fans of you, CNN, like you a part of us wanting to be a duo and all that, man. Me too, man. Absolutely. We never look at you as you in this box or that box. You know what I mean? We know where it's coming from and we all influenced and trying to grow and give power. You know what I'm saying?

So that's how we appreciate Y'all would be in front line right on and the last thing I live I just need you to leave these They'll stop you don't have to talk to every racist on Twitter, but every race is on Twitter It's like I feel like you wake up in the morning Keep killing them see let me tell you what I'm like man it's really awesome that there is someone who's a star war fuck that is it yeah that's and I like kind of get that and I'm like in my mind I like you like my spirit Twitter animal and I give like my spirit Twitter animal. And I'm like, yes, I did. You, yes. Fuck them.

You know why? He bring in light to these people, though. So the thing about it is. Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. The thing about it is, like, these people are really the people that are the person that says, that are the people who bring the cars back at Walmart. And they're like, those will be, at times they will fry them. And then he'll go and look at their Facebook

from six months ago and be like, I see you. You had a Confederate flag on February 14th. And now you play in future. I see you. And he'll pull a card. And I'm like, what? You give this guy his own little audience because there's people that's following you.

I just want to follow whoever he's mad at. And you're giving people an audience, so I just want you to be. Because what you're doing, I think he's like, you're giving people an audience. Sometimes, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to be honest, right? The most craziest shit in the world is... Fuck that. Right?

If right now I stood right there just fully clothed, no one would say something. Bro, I stood right there, butt-ass naked. Right. We'll all turn around like, what the fuck is wrong with this thing? Right? But what happens if we just said,

fuck that? Don't look at them. Exactly. Don't look at them. Exactly. This is what trollers... This is what trollers can't stand. When you don't look at them. But here's my pushback to that.

No one is standing there naked. But here's my pushback to that. If you were standing there naked and we all pretended that we didn't see it, you would still be standing there naked. I would still be standing there naked. That is true. That is true. So I feel like it's be a problem. That is true. That is true. So I feel like it's still a problem.

So I feel... But the minute you say something, I could indulge back. And the thing is, the thing is, you have such a big audience and sometimes you argue. I'm lucky because I really follow you.

I love it. I really follow you and I really sometimes like... But you be following a person who has 17 followers and then as I'm in progress don't that person will be a hundred and seventy three problems right so today is seven yes and then they go yeah because you do force them I do I force the hand you keep going I love it and I get it just

don't get no high blood pressure, listen, and we got, I know we got, yeah, no problem. I got, I have a very high, I have, my life is very,

I have a fucking incredible life. I need one advice for you. Wine or champagne? Real quick, for me. Champagne. Champagne,

I feel like. My nigga, let's go. All day. Here you go. All day. I live a very, I live a very,

very incredible life. Yes, you do. I don't have to do anything I don't want to do. Goddamn. And a lot of people in working class, they got to do shit they don't want to do every day. I choose to do what I want to do. Real shit. And I'm working class. I'm not rich by any means.

I got to go out there and work for a living. But I'm blessed to be able to choose when and how I do. Right? Real shit. So if you see me on Twitter, it's because I'm enjoying that shit. Right. And that's the part of it that I appreciate, that people really be concerned about. Make sure you feel like, have you seen me?

Like, that shit gave me fucking superpowers. Like, Takanya with the MAGA hat. Woo! Like, how he feel when he wears the MAGA hat. When you say that. That's how I feel. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

Right, right. Exactly. Yeah, so I enjoy it I have no problem with that the problem is with the platform you know what I mean

you are giving people you are giving but here's the thing I'm from I'm from the I'm from the cloth of make a racist famous like

like I want all of them to be famous like out there I want them to be famous right I want to see them coming I want to know who's who

like I want especially in this era of Social media where You talk about people who Voluntarily say I'm going to post some Nazi shit on Twitter And I'm going to You know what I'm saying

And like Donald Trump When Donald Trump was running for president He retweeted neo-Nazi accounts 75 times You know what I'm saying A year later, Nazis is marching to Charlottesville, running motherfuckers over, killing motherfuckers. You know, to me, this is not coincidence.

You know what I'm saying? And that's all it is. I'm looking at it like in the online space, in the digital space, it's a big issue. I didn't see it yet. I didn't yet either. I was interested's shit. I didn't see it either. I was interested to see it because Spike, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

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Right. This was David Duke. This is David Duke. True story, right? Yeah. It's a true story. But the thing about you is, I feel like you,

I feel like I know where your mind is. I know I asked you to come here. I asked you to get into politics. I don't think you said you wanted to be in politics. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, get into politics. I don't think you said you wanted to be in politics. Do you remember that? Okay, but because that's what I think. I think. I'm sorry. I feel like

T.I. If T.I. was mayor of Atlanta, I would fuck with Atlanta a little bit more than I already fuck with Atlanta. Politics is a cold game, bro. But the thing is, the thing is, so is the music business. The music business is crazy. Hit me up. Hit out hit me out hit me out hit me out hit me out hit me out

i ain't never voted okay hit me out hit me out the way you got examples of the music business right you got like cool herbs and you got you got like these people who sacrificed for us, but then they didn't make it. But then you keep going up the ladder and there's people more and more and more. I think that Will Smith and Dave Chappelle, although they were playing around, I think. Yeah, I think they were playing, definitely. But I would not. That was just playing. I would not. How about me? I would not. I just want to say there's some very equipped brothers.

It takes more than just, like, popularity to talk about. Nowadays, that's not who's in the office right now. I get it. I get it. But that's not what qualifies as leadership. But that's not what qualifies as just leadership. I feel like what Will Smith is doing with his family qualifies as leadership. So I'm not saying not.

That's it. I'm not saying not. The way he can instruct his whole family, I feel like he can'm not saying that I'm not saying that Family I feel like he can struggle. I'm not just saying I know wait Nori I like that and it's leave me like because in this age because of that. Yeah We can have some accountability lines is toke about a about the police of icons That is a strong black man. I'm sorry. I don't even care if he eat pork at this point. I'm still fucking with Will Smith. I feel like that is it. Yeah. That is it.

Ain't nothing I'm saying. Overbooking all that. I ain't fucking with Will Smith and Jay Chappelle. Listen, listen. It's our job to put in the galaxy some shit, some shit, that can bounce back. And maybe then we can say yo we might really do this

Dawson they should fail Will Smith I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret.

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I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a secret. I got a me. I think we all will. Without this kombucha, it's too much to drink. That's how funny it is. This is not a fair conversation.

Too much kombucha. No, no, no. I mean, we're going to fantasize. Yeah, but for real. No, no, no, but for real. Why not? No, because we got to go. But listen, for real, for real.

You went, you went, I would drop, you went, I would drop. I mean, no, now you're out of qualifiers Will Smith? No. I mean, no. Now you're adding qualifiers. Right. Obviously.

Right. Obviously, my choice is between Will Smith and Donald Trump. Right. Well, that's obvious. Who else is qualified to run for the next? Okay, so then let's talk about that. Okay, yeah. Okay. Because then.

Who would you get behind that was running for the next president? They're really boy. They do it. I could fuck with him. I could you talk about Cory Booker Cory Booker Court for you book. I kind of disagree with some of you know, he in New Jersey I understand I know you said no no no we disagree No for real for real. Yeah, we know Corey for real. We'll get you. What the fuck are we doing out there?

It's hard. Corey, Corey, don't do it. It's hard in this space because people have to be aligned with, like, what's going on. This is power structure, man. Motherfucking beef is running it. And the parties. They all in it. They the lobbyists who are enforcing partners, spitting on everything.

They're enforcing the policymakers. Real talk, that's what's happening. You got people with money who are buying the presidency. So you ask me, who then doesn't have to qualify to be a rich person? No, I'm talking about people who really understand leadership and who can lay down organization. They can lead fairness.

People who have really been studying the game. Who would you vote for? I'm an anti-capitalist. So there's almost nobody. In this shake, but I think everybody understands. Like Bernie Sanders might have been. I think Bernie, and that's why people understand

Killer Mike more. Right. Because he was a supporter of Bernie. My thing is like, it might be crazy. Elizabeth Warren, no? Man, fuck all these people. There's someone who's 10 years old. I'm hoping we kill the mic, though. There's someone who's 10 years old.

I just want to say this clear. There's someone who's 10 years old who is not invested because everybody's invested. And that's what I've come to understand. Like, I'm invested. I got kids to feed. But there, at a point,

has to be somebody who's not invested that says, I see a better world than this because we all got to pay the piper. And then so somebody says, fuck all that, why don't we live fairly? And I think that matters.

There's movies. You can call it a fairy tale or whatever the fuck. But'm not gonna say somebody here that there's yeah there's the cory bookers and the kamala harris's and the and the people who are standing up in this democratic versus republican but i ain't nope there's people who's not none of that shout out to to rosa clemente you know i mean shout out to rosa clemente shout out to rosa clemente yeah i ain't gonna lie yeah puerto rican r Clemente. I'm going to be honest, if I could have Will Smith in the White House and Jay Chappelle I'd have a lot. You could text Jay Chappelle.

You got that movie. You could rip that. Yeah, I'm going to fuck with it. Let's make a list. We going to push that. Will Smith and Jay Chappelle. I'll take a picture of them. Let's take a picture of them. Yeah! Let's take a picture.

A picture and a couple of drops if you want. All right. Nah, let's take the picture first. Let's take the picture first. You better relax. You better chill there, Jay, and rest. Yeah, this was great. Yo, this was great.

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