Drink Champs - Episode 148 w/ Timbaland

Episode Date: November 24, 2018

N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the Champs sit down and chop it up with legendary producer Timbaland. They talk about everything from his early beginnings in VA, to the current state of hip hop and much more. Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And it's Drink Champs, motherfucker. Happy hour. Make some noise! And I don't know if you know, but me interviewing producers is probably one of my favorite things to do. It's because the producers not only have the story of the song, they have the story of the making of the song. They all behind the scenes. So if you guys don't know who I'm talking about right now, when you think of Missy Elliott, you think of Aaliyah, you think of Genuine,

you think of there's so many different artists who took artists and made them great from the sounds of his thing. I heard that he used to make beats through beatbox. I heard he has so many people's careers in his hands. He's come from Virginia. He has stayed in this time relevant well over 20 years. And been kicking people's ass and staying here doing what the fuck he got to do in case you don't know who the fuck I'm talking about we took my Timberland makes now we want to wanna this is a hip-hop historic show so we want to take it from

the very like beginning how how did you get your start? Because I heard somewhere that you was a beatboxer at first, prior to you actually making beats. So how did you even start beatboxing? I think it was a contest. It was back in Virginia, this place called Stars, if I can remember. And I was a beatboxer, and I always thought it was okay, but then it's like my main passion back then was DJing. And how I got into making beats is the music.

Every season, you got a drought season where it's just the music you ain't liking, you ain't feeling. So I'm like, let me just make a beat. And then my mom brought this Casio keyboard. It only could sample one second. So let me try to make it a beat so I can blend my records too. You know what I'm saying? So you had to be very creative back then.

Were you already sampling your beatboxing at that point? I didn't sample my beatbox. Because you started doing that. I didn't sample my beatbox until I got introduced to a studio. You know what I'm saying? And then, you know, really like when I got introduced to a sampler that can sample longer than a second. So then it got to the point where I got an EPS, something like that, a keyboard where it can sample up to 16 seconds. So that kind of gave me, for one second, 16 seconds back then was like 16 minutes. Yeah, for sure.

So I just took what I had and I was just passionate about sounds. I love noise. All right. Now, we recently had Marley Ma on here, right? He was the best. And Marley Ma alluded to kind of making the new Jack swing. Yeah, he did. No, no, he more than alluded to that.

So he kind of, and it made me think of Telly Riley immediately. And I know Telly Riley's alluded to that. So he kind of, and it made me think of Teddy Riley immediately. And I know Teddy Riley's relationship to Virginia. What do you think when you hear a person like Marley Moss say that he might have been the first person

to start New Jacks? I kind of, I would say he's correct. No way! I know! I would say he's almost correct because when you listen to

Lean On Me, like all the Big Daddy Kane, all the Marley Moss stuff that he did, he had, all the Big Daddy Kane, all the Molly Moore stuff that he did, he had, well, Big Daddy Kane, he gave a lot of different bounces, like was it Raw? Raw was kind of like the introduction

to the New Jack swing sound. Right. And Teddy just took it and enhanced it and modified it more. But he kind of introduced that, because Teddy did produce the show with Dougie Fresh and Slick Rip. Teddy Riley? Yeah, he did. Teddy Riley. I didn of introduced that. Because Teddy did produce the show with Dougie Fresh and Slick Rip. Teddy Riley?

Yeah, he did. I did not know that. Yes, Teddy Riley produced that. I did not know that. Yeah, look at Norman with that history. That's crazy. God damn it. So now, what does Teddy Riley mean to Virginia?

Because I guess that was like a. I mean, it's more about what he mean to New York. He just moved to Virginia from New York so it was almost like some New Jack City Nino Brown moving into Virginia you know I'm saying like where he was from New York so it was like Virginia was like we getting this big-time producer from New York like we was more excited about that why because he was already already like I mean he was already big yeah because like I thought you might have known him from New York like

from guy days like he was in New York so I was like we knew but I guess New York wasn't like on it like but we knew him in Virginia like who because it was guy it was Teddy Riley he was coming to Virginia so it was like whoa Where were those dudes from Rex and the Facts

from? They were from New York. They were from New York? That's what I'm saying. I thought they were from Virginia for some reason. I thought they were from Virginia, too. You got me on that one. No, man, all these dudes from New York right there. They just moved to Virginia.

Oh, man, definitely didn't know that. Did y'all have any animosity towards New York dudes moving there? No, it was almost like. We did have a little animosity. It was exciting. You know what I'm saying? Because we Commonwealth. And getting somebody from the city.

From city boys getting locked up immediately, huh? Going up to the city. It was cool. Right. Yeah. There wasn't no jealousy back then. Like hip-hop royalty type of Commonwealth thing is what you mean? It was more like, that's Teddy Riley.

Right, right, right. I guess what people do today, but in a different form back then. Did you be influenced by the New Jack Swing? I think I wasn't. I think I wasn't influenced by the swing. I was influenced by the sonics

of the swing. Meaning the sound, how it sounded so crisp. Like, how did he make what's once a James Brown bounce from funky drum, that's like funky drum, and then he took it and enhanced it and made it more modern. So let's be clear, because not everybody knows

the definition of what New Jack Swing was. That's right, that's right, you gotta be real. What is it to you, what made it New Jack Swing? The swing. That's why he had this. I don't know why they put New Jack to give it a slang, I think. But it was a swing. When James Brown did Funky Drummer, that was a swing.

That's why, if you think about it, when you go back and listen to Funky Drummer, James Brown would do nothing on that record. What was the timing of the drums? It was a different, like a... He was hitting the pockets to make people, to make the masses get it. So he let me think about it. Go back and listen to that record, Funky Drummer. I just could imagine him, too, in the studio, right?

And it's like, he walk into the studio, I'm just thinking like James Brown. So James Brown walk into the studio, and the drummer, that's all he do on the record is ad-lib. So when you think about music today, it's all about that feeling. And that swing back then was like a new swing

that make him they made him do that so when you talk about uh teddy riley i don't drink so he they found how to write in those pockets of that swing right so that was like a that was That was a faster swing than most songs. From like... So it's like... That's making the... How do you make a person do this without being corny? You know what I'm saying? So that's like a whole different swing. Now we have Pusha T on here. And Pusha T told us that you, Pharrell, and No Malice went to the same school.

The hip-hop school. And was Missy in that school, too? No, she was from another town, Portsmouth. Okay, so hold on. I just need to understand this school. And were y'all in the same class? No, no, no. It was like, you know,

I think it's just like anything of today. Now when I look back and I look at music of today, I'm like, man, it's the same way. And you don't see it until you get older. And you'd be like, it's no different. You know, God put people together with the same kind of brilliant minds. And, you know, you connect. You know, it's like y'all two connected.

He from New York and you from Miami. And people are going to be like, how? It's going to be some other kids. It's going to be like, how the freak? You're going to be like, damn. It was just, it's just supposed to be some other kid. You'll be like, how the freak? You'll be like, damn. It was just, it's just supposed to be. And Pharrell was always Pharrell. When I look at Pharrell, there's nothing changed about him from what I know.

Same dude. Same guy. So how did you meet Missy? Missy actually, a friend of mine introduced me to Missy, told Missy that she needed to meet me. And Missy came to my house and started doing music she's like oh man you was an artist no i was just doing beats and she she the one that i was just doing music and she's like he made dope beats and i was like when i she introduced me to singing over hip hop or hip hop beats and when she was singing i'm like i ain't

never heard that before like i never heard melodies over the music I was making. And she introduced my ears to some, like, new candy. You know what I'm saying? Before you heard, like, Mary J. Duke? Yeah, she the one, like, because of her, she introduced me to singing. Right. You know what I'm saying? I was more Mantronics, Tribe Called Quest.

We were just fanatics of Tribe Called Quest. You know what I'm saying So So who'd you meet first Missy Aaliyah Pharrell Godhead

I feel like you speeding Right now man I know Cause I'm just saying I'm gonna be honest You know why Virginia's history Is so rich

And a lot of people Don't know that It's hip hop history It's real hip hop history Yeah So Like who was the first one that you met that wasn't a star at the time but later on you realize is a star you know what i don't i think we just love music i think when you love something

it's gonna take you what you it's gonna make you who you are. Like, think about it. When you made what, what, what, what? What was it? You didn't know. You just know the feeling of, like, I know this feels big for me. Right. And, you know, I think that

nobody knew who was going to be a star. We just loved music, and we was dedicated through thick and thin. And I think that's what makes, and then music, once you love it, it'll determine where your place should be in it you know i'm saying i felt like virginia connected all of us and we was the chosen ones out of that batch of probably that commonwealth area i look at it like lottery ticket you know i'm saying who gonna be the lottery person? Virginia was a part of history. It was some place that people

never expected. Now look what we advanced to. Toronto, Cleveland. We was the first of the Mohicans being from Commonwealth. Virginia, it was kind of weird for us because y'all was like east coast

yeah it was weird for y'all it was like mass skills mass skills was one of the first artists that i heard from virginia that was killing it right and for us i was gonna say him he was the first yeah but i'm not gonna say like you know everybody to be a star you know like that that's that's up to music. But he loved music, you know what I'm saying? And he did do a lot of successful things that put Virginia on the map. And I feel like he was a part of that whole, that whole chemistry. Like he was the one who kind of like jumped out first to me.

What was the first major record that came from Virginia where you was like, you was like I got we got something down oh we had nothing come on man look man have you seen hustle and flow yes I did okay like when you look at hustle and flow that's what you just trying to think about it like bro you ain't think about no, what's a hit? You thinking about, I'm trying to get out. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, we won't thinking like, you know, this is a hit.

We was more like, we getting recognized, more than anything, you know what I'm saying? We getting a job, we getting out. Our passion is getting looked at. It's not taken for granted. And I think that was the beauty of us because we put in a lot of work and our work was accepted.

You know what I'm saying? I think everybody wants that on earth, wants to be accepted. What was the first record you worked on and you was like, this is it for you? Because all of us does it for a hobby at first, right? All of us, we love music. Most of us would still do it if we wasn't getting paid or not, but we wouldn't do it as much as we would.

But what was the first record where you did and you was like, this is it. I'm done. I'm going to bury myself with this. I don't think it's no record, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm always trying to outdo myself. Okay. I'm trying to say, I need to, I feel like I'm just beginning because. You may not have made that record yet.

And you're right. And the reason I feel like that, I watched the Quincy Jones documentary twice. I ain't watched it yet. Go ahead, please. Schoolboy. I'm not, I'm nowhere near close. He said his second life was at 45 or something like that. I'm nowhere near close as he said his second his second life was at 45 or something like that i'm nowhere near close but the thing is we look at the times we in all right so i i look at what

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This chapter ain't as easy as those because once I mastered how to get in the door, I knew how to keep it. You know, I know how to keep jabbing. And then Swiss came, he had his run, and then it's like I got to say, okay, let me come back. I got to figure out how to, because he switched the whole swing. It was harder back then, but I say back then was like a more challenge I was ready for. This era where I'm facing, where I say I'm just beginning, it's just like when you look at Quincy Jones, man, he went from Frank Sinatra to this. It's just a challenge, and I feel like I'm just starting because this era of music is totally

different from what I'm used to. So, but it's not, but it's music, and I love music, so I feel like I'm just in the way technology is, I'm just starting to crack the code because I couldn't do what I can do now back then. I had to go research.

I had to really go put in a lot of work to get a lot of those sounds, and now all of that is available to me in a laptop. Oh, yeah, it's different now. So now it's like, okay, I'm challenging the people on the Fruity Loops, it's like, I'm challenging, it's like a game, it's like, I gotta be the Fortnite, I gotta be that guy.

I gotta be the, I gotta beat all the teenagers, you know what I'm saying? I gotta, uh-oh, that's the new, you know, that's the way of music, music is colors now. First it was all about feel, people playing in the room, and now I'm trying to get this generation with that same kind of vibe but with the computers you know i'm saying i'm doing that so it's like i'm really just beginning because my my beginning now is more than just producing it's teaching the youth of

the generation is about to come like okay this is what we got to make music with i don't we come from you know playing with everybody you know how we do get a person to play but now it's like kids making sample packs and it's like okay well let's do it together and so they never been introduced to that so it's like taking so for me i feel like my generation the one like my 50 my-year age could be teaching and producing and inspiring the next nine-year-old on a computer and seeing the genius in him. So I feel like I'm just beginning. Based on that, what you're saying, do you think the age of, and this is just hip-hop because it could be in every genre, the age of the super producer is over? Because it was like the super producer is over? Because it was like,

the super producer is Swiss. It was you. It was Drake. That's a good question. I feel like... And that made careers. I feel like it ain't over.

I feel like it's just a little bit more harder work to do. It's different now. It's just like, I got to crack a code. It's like a video game.

It's like I gotta crack some codes because everything is coded now. The question you're asking is over for like super producers? No, no, no. Not over for like specifically like can there be a new generation of super producers? I feel like I haven't seen that bubble in the last five years. Who's the dude that did the Tiger shit? Who's the dude that did the Tiger fight? I don't know, but I feel like I haven't seen that bubble in the last five years No, but I like who did tiger The fact that y'all even questioning it that would know he's right now. He did what else he do Then we did a cold black shit. It could be good producers, but to me produce

I think I think it I think is I think it go to like I don't know like I'm I look at it like like a game, man. It's all about styling now. Your production is like your tag got to feel right. I get it now. I feel like I'm 19. I'm like, because of the computer, you can dress your shit up so crazy.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, well, Metro Boomer wants a ball, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you ain't thinking about this beat. Well, that tag, come on, bitch. You already jumping. You know, who done got an Inners tag right there? Tanky, fuck them niggas up. You know what I'm saying?

Do that, bitch. Boom. Like, you know, it's like, we all, it's already set. That's like the whole new way of producing. But we have to figure out how to introduce that shit to make them like, yo, nigga, y'all are artists, nigga, y'all tag. Do you know, like, when you did London on the track, like, nigga, y'all got to stand proud with that shit like that.

And I feel like that's the way of us really kind of identifying who's that next super producer. And then we got to say, okay, now you got to go put that same tag on Ariana Grande. It made me feel like, you know what I'm saying? And that's where the trick come in, you know what I'm saying? Justin Bieber. Yeah, do that. So it's like, you know, it just takes somebody like a coach,

which it should be me or Pharrell or Kanye, just like, all right, now, murder, do this. Like, murder on a beat. It's like he picked the right tone for when the 808 dropped. It just feels right. So it's like you don't go by and be like, it's a different way of judging producing. You know what I'm saying? It's like you can kind of like package your shit so cool.

You know what I'm saying? Who was the first producer that reached out to you other than your camp? Because you know you have worked inside the camp. You had the Genuine. You had the Aaliyah. Who was the first person outside your camp that was huge? That you have worked inside the camp. You had the Genuine, you had the Aaliyah. Who was the first person that outside your camp that was huge?

That you was like, get the fuck out of here. Jay-Z. Jay-Z? What? I thought you were going to say Michael Jackson. I saw him.

I said, Jay-Z at a party. He was like, yo, I want to work with you. And the first song we did was Jigga What and I did this beat. And he was like, nah, that ain't it. So he spit the rap in me the motherfucker want to add low-con

i said oh so i put my headphones on and i said he's like you done see back then won't they want no clicking you know i want no computer with me actually playing feeling it so i was playing it and then he was like you done i was like yes five minutes you know that was because you know it's it's a keyboard so you like day the way you done so he's walking around speaking or I played it he did his rap it's like I heard his cadence and I made that beat to bounce to what I heard so I have a photographic memory when it comes to the sounds and sonics

and melodies nothing else that's only. So with music I can kind of memorize anything and that was the first thing he was like the first and I was like he kind of introduced me to he kind of his tone he did that made me step my game up cuz I'm like whoa because I was me, Missy, all of us so that was the first person from the like the outside you know I'm saying? And what Jay-Z is this now? This is... I don't know.

Is this throwback Jay-Z? He win Giants jerseys? What's Jay-Z? I don't think that was. Big Pimpin'? Well, before Big Pimpin'. I don't know. I got a whole Jay-Z section. This Yeah. I don't know. Mm-mm.

Wait. Okay. I got a whole Jay-Z section. So this is why I'm trying to get off this question real fast. So segue into it. All right. No, no, no. I'm trying to figure out where's Jay.

We'll come back to that. We'll come back to that. That was the prime. Okay. So when you got this call from Justin Timberlake, right? He was 15, though. So it's not like, you know what I'm saying? He was 15 years old? Yeah, he was like 15.

So it was like he was 15, and there are people reached out. He's like, y'all like your music, man. And like, he was about like maybe 16, 17 when we did. And then we got his 30-year-old. Because I had heard that Justin had fell out with Pharrell or some shit like that. I don't think, nobody never falls out. I just think that. Or John Ricketts, it was some shit.

I just think that, you know, in life, you know, as we go back and look at it, it's just sometimes misunderstandings or business could be just misconstrued or misinterpreted. So that's all I think that happened on that moment. It wasn't like he wasn't not using for real. He was always working. Well, he was 15, but he was down with the N-Sync already. But he was like breaking. He was breaking. That was a huge boy.

How old was he when he did that? That's from the Mickey Mouse Club. Jesus Christ. So he's not Justin, you're saying. That's what you're trying to. Jesus Christ. Word, word. So he's not Justin, you're saying. That's what you're trying to establish the point. Like, yeah, so he was, he didn't, it's not like the same. You know, like when we got in the room, when we did Cry Me a River and all those records. Cry Me a River.

Crazy record. We thought he was black. I mean. You fucked us up for a minute. He was like, who is this black dude? No, no, no. The dude is killing it. I think. Crazy we thought he was black I don't think it was me I'm not gonna take the credit for me and to do this thing y'all think he was black cuz he had soul No, it was the song they put out with in sync that

Whatever was the song they put out with NSYNC. That, uh, whatever. And I was like, who the fuck is this? And that's when they got everybody's attention. And it was him. He was like the first, like, other than Color Me Bad. Remember Color Me Bad? Yeah, of course, of course.

Come on and set you up. They had like eight months before we knew. That was a New Jack City soundtrack. Holy moly, these dudes, of course. Come on and set you up. They had like eight months before we knew. That was a New Jack City song. It was like, holy moly, these dudes ain't white. This is crazy. And Justin was the new version of that. I mean, it was evolution, man. Like, music just evolved.

It couldn't be just one thing. Doe Bar is a dope artist. Yeah, like, he was dope. And sometimes, you know, thing. Doe Bart is a dope artist. Yeah, like he was dope. And sometimes, you know, God align things the way it should be aligned. Why? You know, and him,

we just had, we got, we brothers and we got chemistry. Right. We just got chemistry. You know, like, chemistry can only be, how can I say it? Chemistry can only be, how can I say it?

Chemistry can only be not, you can tell when a person, if we out of sync. Meaning like if I got stuff going on in my life, he got stuff going on in my life. We love music, but the music ain't going to come out right. You get what I'm saying? Because we all, I think when we go in that studio, we be aligned. Like everything that's on our outside is on the outside and everything when we when we see each other me and justice each other is let's put our foot on niggas throats you know let's put our foot on their throats you know just let's let's let's let's let's let's just make this crazy music

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true you know because people will come in what was that studio you had in virginia and all y'all i think so all y'all i'll be in there like what the fuck everybody would be in there like in virginia but that's the point So you can't say back then, Osteo Sessions meant something. Right. Because it was adventurous. Like, you don't know, you know what I'm saying? You know, it was wild, man.

Osteo Sessions was crazy. You know what I mean? It was like studio, it wasn't like, what's a favorite studio session? It was more like, we going to the studio. And people would studio hop like it was a club Like I remember to go to what's the studio J had and beanie was all baseline baseline

It was like that to be Criteria it wasn't here back here they did they had Sony oh 66 yeah it's crazy that's what we're brought is that they hold ever made a beat for somebody and um they didn't do exactly what you wanted them to do and you was disappointed in the record is it shot Tom Timberland I feel like a shot time you know what that? I feel like it's shot time. You know what? That's right. Make it. Beat that I never met, that I'm like, I don't know because the beat wasn't letting them make something crazy. That's what I'm talking about. Like, the beat wouldn't let you make something crazy. Like, it's going to tell you, like, you just staying. Because my beats are disruptive.

My beats are like, it's uncomfortable. That's what I, I heard somebody tell me, your beats when you when you first say I don't know how to Bob somebody tell me like I'm it's so crazy like it's a Bob, but it's just throwing me off so back then is like it was a new bounce so People was trying to find a new bounce so it won't Hey The track will let you know that you lost. I'll tell you one artist That you brought the sound out of them, you know that you lost I tell you one artist that you brought the

sound out of them you know in such a remarkable way I had never seen this I was a big fan of this artist his name is Pastor Troy yeah Pastor Troy had this big underground following people from New York wouldn't wouldn't know it because people from New York wouldn't travel outside I had these beats I would rhyme on down South beat so I would get down south shows and I didn't know why. And it was this artist called Pastor Troy and he would come out and he'd be like, I ain't got nothing to say. He ain't got play with you yet. We ready. And he would play, he would perform this song 17 times and not one person would say, you did that already. Like he was just ill. And then, you did that already. He was just ill and then when you

did that record with him, it was like it was the first time any producer even tried to give him a worldwide sound. Did you feel like that? Because that was like, to me, that was his illest record he ever made.

I just did mean it. What even made you want to work with him? Because he was super, super underground at the time and you were super, super low. That's what I'm about to say. I felt like you guys were from the South.

See, that's the problem. Like, you know, I didn't know if I was lit. Like, the world kind of let me know, you know what I'm saying? But I'm still from the South so it's like,

that's what I was attracted to all things with different flows. Like, Bubba Sparks, you killed it with Bubba Sparks. Bub with light but was the first group that shocked me that me and Missy was a Crucial conflict crucial coming. That's the cargo, right? Yeah, see like we loved all that type of stuff So pass the choice right up my alley right up my alley. Anyway, why you never signed them you I don't know I think he was already signed. Like back then, I won't think about no business.

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That was hard. I did my own unofficial remix to it and everything. I didn't care if y'all co-signed it or not. You did it on my mixtape too. I love the beat so much. I was like, fuck it. I did like four freestyle to this shit.

So, okay. We're going to get a little deep right now. Your relationship with... I got you. So your relationship with Scott Storch. Scotty? Yes. That's the sad fact. Oh, I got you. I got you. I got you. So your relationship with Scott Storch. Scotty? Yes.

That's my boy. Because it was your boy, but at one point, it got a little shaky. I mean, Lord, come on. I mean, you know. In our 20s. Right. And when I look at, see, because I look at music today? I look at you know who I was yesterday and I'm like

That's just called you smoke once. Yeah, that's called not it once but I cool fuck This is 90 conversation. You know we will put on a pair of free lives later to come on fucking come on We is young you know Sam we would just show? We were just young. That's ego. Was it competition or was it like brothers? I mean, of course it's competition. It's brothers, but it was competition. But it's like you got, and I realize that you got to do that. You have to do that to really save me and you.

I have to get into a zone like that to challenge you. Else, I'm like, that's my homeboy. You know what I'm saying? How am I supposed to do that? That's my big, you know what I'm not I'm like that's my home boy you know I said how I supposed to do that that's my big you know saying so when I look back at it now I'm like that's why I don't do that battling the beef because I can't mentally psych myself out when I know I'm gonna go back with like yo man why we lose right crazy you know I'm saying like that that takes a lot out of somebody so I think back there we just being young right because we work together and past it yeah right well um so what do you think things like that

happen in the hip-hop game cuz I remember y'all brothers at first correct started out as I think I just think maybe you know maybe I got jealous oh I don't think that I got jealous I think it was the entourage telling oh I heard and I'm already probably slightly probably like everybody wants to kind of stow it you don't saying that's that's a part of jealousy I'm gonna see in the studio in the hip-hop if I'm not correct and you having your tour bus to the left and Scott having his so I was on fire at one point you know saying he was it was on fire at one point. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

He was on fire. I just don't remember you never not being on fire. That's the reason why. No, it's always a moment when you're not on fire. Oh, wow. As you do it. Because what happens is, and I can tell you the prime example, because when Scott was on fire, there was people,

it was artists in my session, and when Scott pulled up, they left to go to his session. Oh, wow. So it's kind of like a notification to let you know, like, it's like that new chocolate bar, that new whatever, that new, that new, that new, that new, new. It's like that new refreshing, but it's like,

and then it kind of makes you mad, because then when you like remind people, you're like, don't come over here and there, I told you. Right. You know what I'm saying? So you have to realize that that's just humans. Right. Humans, we're going to always flock to what others say is great and kind of throw us off balance.

And what I've learned is, you know, you've got to stay true to who you are. You know what I'm saying? Don't let that, you know, throw you off your game because, you know, it's always going to be the next man on the block, the next person on the block. You know, you can't run things and be the guy that everybody go to. There's always a new sound. And what happens is, when everybody go to you,

you thinking you the only one. And that's what got in my head. And when Scott, I'm like, he came up under me. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are things, that's the other man running in my head. So that gave me the competitive spirit to say, but then that was just in my head.

What kind of took it over the top is the entourage. Oh, this person said, oh, Scott, yeah, he said this. So, you know, it kind of fed the ego to, like, I'm a real producer. You just a piano man. You know what I'm saying? So it kind of led to that. Right. You know, because I already had that other demon in my head about, you know,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all you need is that push over the ears to make you be like, oh, that's it. Right. But you really don't. We young, so I'm not trying to research and be like, wait a minute, this is my man. Like, I might be tripping over here. You know what I'm saying?

Like, let me go get some, I don't listen to somebody else. He say, she say. Right. I didn't get to the game to listen to he say she say but what's the history there though because i didn't even know that he came up under you in a sense like i know he used to mess with the roots and all that i met him like dr drake kind of like introduced i'm about to say dr is the big yeah he's like he's like jedi Kenobi. And were people tapping into him for him to be on the keys? Yeah, he was dope. Scott got a rhythm that nobody don't have.

Scott know how to attack a beat totally different from anybody else know how to attack a beat. His soul and his body, he would go down, when I watched the Quincy Jones special, he is one of those white guys that's gonna go down as one of the old dudes, and I'm like, wow. Because Quincy had a lot of white dudes that was some bad white dudes. Ron Templeton, he was one of the illest.

And so when you look at Scott Storch, he's gonna go down as one of the illest. So that is a matter of ego getting into play. But we really didn't have no beef beef. Yeah, I knew that. But it was one of the things that fixed our relationship was seeing how bad he went as far as the drugs go. You know, he's been on here. He's talked about it on here, on his very show.

I mean, I know the drug, but he's living life life so I won't even thinking about that I was thinking like why they going to Scott's store but you know saying like I'm the man I think about what you fix the relationship like after I think just because of who I am as a person and who he is that's like that's not us but you know saying all we did is a matter of this talking and all's a matter of just talking. And we was cool. Right. So now, speaking of school, one thing I always see about you is you always give Dr. Dre his props. Like, no matter what,

I'm talking about the hider, hider, hider, you know, you know. Man, nobody better than Dr. Dre, man. And that's what you think? You think that's the... I got to look at your face and can tell you mean that. Like, I can tell.

But on a producer level, what is it exactly? Don't lean, don't lean. People be trying to be, I be like, Doc, don't you do it. That's like, you can't put you. Like, you battle switch. You can't put Obi-Wan Kenobi. But it's different levels of why Dre is dope. I'm still trying to, I just know he's just super dope.

And certain things, I still be studying. Let's make some noise for that guy. Let's make some noise for that guy. still try to, I just know he's just super dope. And certain things, I still be spitting up. Let's make some noise for that guy. I'll be like, damn, how you get that kick to sound like that? You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, man, like, he still amazes me. And he do it so, and it's like, we are like, in a lot of ways, like,

we like to be home. You know what I'm saying? And listen to music. We don't go out like he's just like he the best. Like he for

it's like people I think people with similar personalities be attracted and be more amused by

someone like themselves. So the first day you met Dr. Dre first time you met Dr. Dre let's take it from there. Mr. Lee pop that bar. First day. Dre. Let's take it from there. Mr. Lee, pop that bottle. First day. And describe the situation.

Like, how does that happen? You know what? I can't even say. He called you or you called him? I don't even know. I just thank God that he invited me into his presence. Because you were in the scope, too, at the time. Yeah, but see, here you go being young, and then it's like, I can't even talk about then because I didn't know how to digest it then.

You know what I'm saying? And now when I look back at it, I'm like, yo, I was kicking it with Dr. Dre. You know what I'm saying? You don't realize because you're like, I made it. Oh, nigga. Oh, that nigga. So you ain't looking like, I'm right here with you.

I'm in the president's seat too. So you know what I'm saying? You're not looking at it like, but I still was amazed. Like, I didn't know how to take it in. Now I know how to take it in. And I can give you what I felt, what I thought I felt back then.

And what I thought I felt back then was, this is I felt back then was this is motherfucking Dr. Dre. This is Dr. Dre. Like, Dr. Dre is my Quincy Jones. Mm. Like, because when I talk with the Jones, I always say, people just be like, man, like,

Jay, like, be that Quincy Jones. And I get why Jay said, you know, produce for me and B. Make us, you know, give us that, you know produce for me and be makers you know give us that you know give us a Jason's like Jay like be the young Quincy like he should try to preach that to me all the time right and being a young Quincy is making smart moves like when you got a beautiful record you got to know where

to place that beautiful record not be stubborn and caught in your ways and be like oh that's my record you gotta Quincy Jones know how to place beautiful music with beautiful people and Dr. Dre was the god of rap I can't say that I know New York I know no no no no when he touched rap he made rap sound changed he made it sound so clean he's like he actually mixed brag about it he did not talk about it other people talk so to hear word for dr. Drake people like he's not speak and that's how I was because I want to know like yo how you mix that drum how you get the

drum sound so obviously he's a fan of NWA all right so now listen so now look in on NWA there's a line where easy says-E says, Ice Cube writes the rhymes that I say, point blank, straight out, frivolously says it, admits to it. So what? That was there. Nowadays, people are screwed. I don't know if that's the right word. Misconstrued?

They flipped on Drake for the same exact thing. And here's one of the greatest groups of all time. What is the difference between that, Timbaland? Being a hip hopper. Okay, so you asked me to Lucian Fox. You asked Lucian Fox, a.k.a. Timbaland, a.k.a. Lucian Fox. So you asked the guy who provides these superstars with their superpowers. We've heard that. We've heard that.

So, I think, Drake told you, I'm resilient for real. People need to really look up what that word resilient means. I don't know what that means, sir. Me and I really don't either, so I started looking it up.

Come on, guys. But that word sounds so brilliant, so I looked it up. And I can't, and so, What does resilient say you mean? I mean that he could withstand anything, basically. Oh, okay.

I'm resilient. So that's how I took it. So when I said, wow, when I looked it up, it said that and more. So when you look at Drake, he's like, know okay he's like Black Panther I don't know you're going to how did Black Panther come in in the world it was a shock right did it shock you by storm what'd it do a bill like's a movie like the movie oh okay this is the character this is the character the character he's like a new character he's like the okay what i'm trying to say he's like the equivalent to black panther right he came in out of nowhere and but you worked

with him early exactly very early very early so he was already in the build to where he was about to be. So you asked me the question of why they trip it. Because he's the next biggest thing. How many times they trip on Jay-Z. It's just a topic of ghostwriting and all that. But music is music. Right. Why do, I don't know like I guess I'm not a rapper and I tell people I can't really I look at rappers like Avengers or movie

characters like who's the next character each of me is like the next black pad that's why I say black path you know I, I'm going with it. That's how I look at it. Yes, I look at it like he came in like black pad. They're like people will try to pick apart or he do this. Why he got the necklace or something like he's that new character. You know, I'm saying that he's great at what he do. He do it with so much class, so much pride. I mean, you know, but when I say you worked with him early on, you worked with him really, really early on.

Like mixtapes early on? I mean. How did you know? How does a producer like you even know? Oh, that's not all me. That's like, that's. You listening to him? People around you?

I'm going to tell you, that's being around great Jedis. And that Jedi, the other Jedi was Jay-Z. Jay-Z know. He knows. Because we work each other together you and I'm off that was the first record you and so but he knew when he knew was that the first record I'm on point you got down okay I'm getting right now I'm getting right now, I'm getting hype now, come on. He just shot that and I don't know about the rest, but I just know that Jay-Z knew he was the next one, just like he called 56. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

To meet Jay-J call. This is a lot you're giving us right now, Tim. I don't think he's out there like that. Let's stay on Drake for now, then we're going to go back to 56. Can you please remind us to go back? So what did he say he says is like when you off that beat he said I'm putting he said this young this young boy the kid from Canada he's like this young boy this boy that and this is an early it's not like it's already catching it very great when you when I go back to the tool Jay Z's one

of us he's a genius to me you know I'm saying Jake the way Jay Articulate things the way he talks the way he Strategize life the way he move even his braids now, you know said everything I mean just I just know that twist now. I love it because Jay like a black eye style. Let's a big voice for that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Come on. Jay-Z out here looking like a Black Einstein, goddammit. Nah, he just look like, he look like the culture. That's right, he look like, he look like Jimi Hendrix and Black, and Black Einstein. I take that, he's Black, Jimi Hendrix. And he is, he's music.

He's like a, he's like a Einstein to music. That's what I said, baby. And he is, he's so brilliant And it's like He knows Somebody else He knows He's a separate alien

Jay-Z's a separate He knows Who fit in his alien group But let's take it So he And when he heard Drake He said off that He probably said

Nah bump off that He heard Drake before He like Oh he's special I mean that. He heard Drake before. He like, oh, he's special. I mean, come on. He got J. Cole. Yeah. Which is crazy because for him to have seen that, he saw that super early. Okay.

He knows smart people. Because it felt like it took a minute for J. Cole to really come. He knows smart people. And Kanye. But see, that's why when I go to J.I. I play him somebody that's smart. And, like, I know. Because I guess he knows how they are as a person when he hears them rap. I feel like I try to say, how do you know this person is going to be big?

I guess when you hear the rap, you can hear who that person is in their in their rap you know what i'm saying like but then today's rap you'll be shocked because you'll find somebody doing something that you might like no this boy is crazy but then you go to talk to him he wanted the smartest kids you'd be like wow music has definitely did a flip-flop but he is the leader of this generation um he is too much right he is like the leader but he can go like he's the OG like the kids like a he was that guy big up my man 40 big up Drake yeah god damn it bigger my Canada niggas pick up almost mother nigga name home Mr. Lee? Belly, I know the other dude from this town. Belly from there?

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I love to see OGs, bro. Especially the OGs slash veterans. Apple Podcasts. I don't know if you know. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We do it together. Don't take a sip. It's not going to work out. It's not going to work out. I don't know if you know. Other hip-hop shows, they just, listen, at our hip-hop show, we celebrate our legends. We give them the flowers where they can smell them.

We give them the thoughts where they can tell them. We give them the drinks where they can dig them. What you can't call us a legend. And they drink where they can dig them. Hold on, hold on. God damn it. Let's go. That's definitely different, Timbaland. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I hate it every time. Y'all gave me some ginseng. That's what it is. That, Timbaland. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I hate it every time. Y'all gave me some ginseng. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Y'all gave me ginseng. Ginseng aged for 2,000 years. Yeah.

Y'all gave me ginseng. Yeah. Yeah, ginseng and champagne. You automatically come to the master after drinking this shit. It's a terrible combination. This ain't Hong Kong. So, Genuine drinking this shit. It's a terrible combination. Let's say, I'm young, I'm changing. So, Genuine's first album. Genuine's first album.

Genuine's not on, correct? These people come to you and says, I need you to understand this one down. Let me break this down. Okay. Back then, I am young. I am enjoying the moment moment I don't know shit About

Why and what I just know we had a run Let's keep it running You know what I'm saying If I know what I know now I would have been like wait a minute We got something y'all We got to focus

We got it by people talking about it but we were so glad to be it it was like it's almost like slavery dude like commonwealth we were from Virginia to be accepted was the biggest thing and to not you know you could be accepted and then be thrown back into the bushes so we were trying to stay afloat we weren't thinking like this sound we just know we had a sound that was different and we knew that people it would make people uncomfortable but you will enjoy it later that's what we know that's what you went in to do genuine when we wanted to do is that we had a sound back in Rochester we would Devontae we all had a sound we was a crew we had a sound so about Jodeci

yeah yeah how did that happen that well let's let's let's think on genuine first he came from that it but so GMI but he's from Virginia, too. Is Joe, does he from Virginia? He's from D.C. Oh, shit. Southeast. Oh. But it's all close. It's right there.

Yes, it's next state. That's New Jersey, New York. No, that's pretty close. No, that's pretty close. South, you don't do that. No. I thought that's North Creek, Jersey. No, don't disrespect Southeast D.C. with Virginia Beach.

Oh. No. So, it's not safe to say Baltimore, as well? Throw it all in the pot? No, don't do that. You're going to say Baltimore or D.C. It's going to be, it's West Virginia, D.C. No. No. So it's not safe to say Baltimore as well? Throw it all in the pot? No, don't do that.

You ain't going to say Baltimore or D.C. It's going to be we Baltimore. We be more. We D.C. It just... There's no B,

but it's just like don't put... You know? So... You ain't going to say Brooklyn and Queens? You going to say, no, we Brooklyn.

Well, if I'm from Miami, I'm going to say it's like New York. I'm just saying. Okay. No. I will. You're going to say, no, no, Liberty City is Liberty City.

No, no, no, no. Overtown is Overtown. You can't tell me that in Miami. I'm going to divide it up from Miami. Is that what my point? That's what I'm saying. Like, you can't. Back then, man, it's like, mm-mm.

But everybody was listening to Go-Go in those areas? I guess Go-Go. Yeah, Go-Go was popular. So that connected all y'all. Right. Because we don't have, in Miami, to listen to Go-Go. So now, where Jodeci was from? North Carolina.

North Carolina? How the hell Jodeci Devante? How did y'all hook up? Missy, Missy, Missy was in a group called Faze Z and missy I was a producer for Faze Z so missy

met Devante and him backstage you know like it's this the luck of a draw she met them she played the music Devante flew them up

to Jersey missy said she wanted to fly the producer up he said cool I came up there and I stayed up there developed my sound Devontae flew them up to Jersey. Missy said she wanted to fly the producer up. He said, cool. I came up there and I stayed up there. Developed my sound. That's a slow clap.

That's a slow clap, goddamn it. So you worked with Devontae. You worked with them and they introduced you to Genuine? Yep, because he met Genuine the same way through a concert. So Genuine, I mean,

so Devontae actually built my crew. Think about it. I had Static before Static died. Static Major who wrote Lollipop for Lil Wayne.

He wrote Try Again. So Devontae really kind of like, it's funny how God worked because Devontae built a crew for himself but it was actually for me. Wow. so the Bonte really kind of like it's funny I got work at the Bonte build a crew for himself but it was actually for me you think about it because he didn't work with none of it was me but he found all the talent the talent? Genuine. Genuine. Static. Static major.

Missy. Missy, wow. Yeah, that's enough. Wow, god damn it. Shit, that's more than enough. All right, so how did this happen? I need to understand. I don't know, man.

I just told you in one nutshell. Like, I was the guy under the Missy. Missy brought me in. Like, y'all got to do the math. Like, it's the guy under the Missy. Missy brought me in. Like, y'all got to do the math. Like, it's the universe, man, how it's meant to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, I could be on this show, and from this show, a thousand producers call me or this person call me.

It's innovation, man. It's like, it's what it is. And that's what, and Devontae brought somebody, he built something, and which was supposed to probably have been for him. I wind up doing all the records for them. So what was, how was it like working with Junior Wong? Because you didn't know him. He wasn't like Virginia, like working with Missy. I always thought he was. Right.

He put us together. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Devontae is building a squad for himself, but he actually built it for me. I'm the guy who's doing

100 beats a night. So they're coming in the studio doing it with me. He said 100 beats a night. Hold up a second. He said 100 beats a night. Yeah.

I'm in the studio. Bro, I'm from Virginia. I ain't got no studio. This is it with me. He said 100 beats a night. Hold up a second. He said 100 beats a night. Yeah. I'm in the studio. Bro, I'm from Virginia. I ain't got no studio. This is new to me. Take it to the manager. I'm having a ball. And I got a car too. Yeah, I'm having a ball.

So I'm knocking beats out. They in there with me. I'm building, I'm creating the sound. There you have it. And did Gen Y have SNY have ass curls back then? Or no? I don't know what ass curls was in.

I think they had, I think they had Agne bands that made their ass curls. No, because I wanted, I'm trying to picture the studio scenery. You're trying to picture how? Yeah, I'm trying to picture like, did he have ass curls or did he not? I don't know. I don't know. Hey, bro. I want to introduce the videos.

I was like, yo, I just wanted to make a record and give my mama $3,000. I didn't know about nothing about no videos. When that stuff came out, I was far to it. Like, oh, man, people like your record. Oh, for real? Okay. I'm a country boy. I'm like, dude, you know, know I'm like You know I'm like dude

You know The head over The I'm like okay That's cool That's dope Y'all made some crazy records Okay

Now Now You just did a battle With Swizz Beatz We didn't do the battle yet But it was somewhat of a battle No At Summer Jam

It's called Instagram talk What would you call What happened Called IG talk That was IG. And that was the derivative of Drink Champs? Oh, yeah. That started on this.

Yeah, that started here. I don't know if you know that. Yeah, that's good. It did start here. And this thing, like, it plays, too. That whole thing started in Drink Champs. In this room. Maybe it should begin here.

That's what I'm saying. It didn't start. Because I felt like when I seen the actual battle, I felt like it was unfair, even though I'm from New York. I felt like it was unfair because, you know, he was playing a lot of New York records with New York artists. Because this was Summer Jam, correct? So how did you feel about that?

I thought it was... I know you had fun. You was out there having fun. Yeah, that's all I thought was. I mean, we played a lot of... We couldn't... I think it was... Me and Swizz look at it like this.

It's not a battle. It's a reminder. That's dope. That's dope. Don't ever forget who we are. Right. In Swizz Beatz. Like, when people might have doubted, oh, he ain't got nothing.

Or people might say, oh, Timbo got this. No, no, no, no, no. I'm on stage with my friend. Right, right. He's my friend. Right. We have just as much accolades. Right.

It's just, it's me. So when we play songs back to back, it gave people a reminder. I don't think people knew how to judge it. It wasn't no judge. People were like, damn, he played that Beyonce half like, yeah, he did that Beyonce. It was more of a reminder. Do not play with the Game of Thrones.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we could go all night, and it's like people don't realize the history that we have. Would you do that with Pharrell? That's my brother. Of course. We can't wait to play records. Because to us, it's like, man, remember how long I did this.

See, it could never be a battle. The battle will be. Well, people will always judge it as a battle. That's cool. But what are you doing with Dr. Dre? No. That was my last question. What I do with Dr. Dre? No. That was my last question. What I do with Dr. Dre? I knew you was going to say that

because you killed me. He has to set up the summons for all of us at the table and say, you go against him. You go against him. He's Gandalf.

Yeah, like he's like, you know what I'm saying? What's that movie? What's that? Warlocks? He'll be like, ooh.

I can't put the spell on that. You know what I'm saying? He's that guy. I love the respect he shows Dr. Dre. I really do. But it wouldn't Like, you know what I'm saying? He's that guy. I love the respect he shows Dr. Dre. I really do. But it wouldn't be a battle. It would be fun.

It would be chess. It's like pawn. Like chess. Like, we playing songs. It's like, checkmate. Besides Dr. Dre, if you was to go head to head with anybody else in this game, would you ever be worried? Like, besides Dre. Not Dre.

You said worried. Worried. Like, song for song. I don't. Worried. Like song for song. I don't... Okay, so it's two different... I'm talking about the whole legacy. Let's say Teddy Riley. Let's say...

Not Quincy Jones. Because you're saying track for track. Yeah, track for track. The whole legacy. You know what? I think it's healthy for all of us to do that. You know why? Because it really lets you know

how far you really come and how you know it lets you know you're beginning of your journey right and where it's really like a self a self moment thing where you'd be like i'll quit then you'd be like damn it i should i thought it was this long and it won't that long it's kind of like a reflection of who you are right you know i'm saying like when i when we play our music and our hits it'd be like man why i stopped here you know that's how i look at it somebody might look at it different i look at it like no that was it that was what 2015 i'm not even this is the other dude this that they play around like 2015 oh man i gotta pick it up like you know i said like you know i'm saying that's how I look at it It's like The journey

Must continue You know It's like Look how far we came And see if we still relevant Right Now how about Working with Lil Wayne

Lil Wayne right now Has A quarter five A quarter five Yes I'm gonna be honest I've never seen somebody Take off this long, come back, and his fans stay right there.

Like, they were right there, like, ready to line up and just. Like, I've never seen a person. Like, you know, in this game, you take two and a half years off. Jose Canseco is in your fucking baddest spot. I mean, you're talking about Young Money. Yeah, I know that. You're talking about Nicki Minaj. But even Eminem.

Let's look. Even Eminem. Drake. What was it? I'm going to go back here. Revival? Dr. Drake. They didn't fuck with Revival.

They didn't put a record out. But Kamikaze, they came back and fucked with it. You're not hearing me. I'm definitely not. I'm sorry. Dr. Drake can put a record out right now, right? And people don't go crazy Certainly, it's gonna be his fan base because of what he left

Like little Wayne left a mark, but I just think little wings for the Wayne then he got did he he signed? He signed the he signed the next person in this generation to be like him, which is Drake. Or Nicki Minaj. He got two heavy hitters that keep him alive. It's not about him rapping sometimes. It's about the decisions he made. Wow. Look what he told.

Look, I'm telling you. I'm great. He's great. Wow. She's great. Right. Look, I'm telling you. I'm great. He's great. She's great. And y'all paid attention. So it kept you. It kept you. It kept Wayne on your mind.

Right. When he didn't do nothing. Right. I mean, he blessed, man. He got a gift. Wayne got it. He can rap. Right.

Now, I wanted to say this to the very end ended I'm gonna get into my whole questions and then we're gonna wrap it up but so how did you initially meet Aaliyah because I know we spoke about her in the beginning like how was oh my lawyer Louise West at the time my lawyer was Louise West. She introduced the families to each other, which was Aaliyah's family. Uncle Mike, rest in peace, he passed away. God bless. That was the introduction. It was Louise West.

And Craig, Craig Cowman. Craig Cowman, wow. You met Aaliyah? Yeah, it was Louise West and Craig Craig Calman Craig Calman wow you met a leader Craig yeah Craig it was Louise West and Craig Calman

Craig Calman was with Atlantic at the time Craig is the man man Craig no music man he gonna find a way to do yourself

he gonna know now he gonna figure out what's hot he was a DJ he was a serious DJ so Craig got he got good ears man he got great ears figure out what's hot now. He was a DJ. He was a serious DJ. So,

Craig got, he got good ears, man. He got great ears. And, Craig had, I had a sound. He introduced us, made the link,

but it was Louise that gave Craig the demo of me and Missy to play for Aaliyah, that Aaliyah liked. And then, Obsessions. And then the sessions, and she's from? Detroit. Detroit. And y'all linked in Virginia?

Detroit. Oh, y'all linked in Detroit. Yeah. And your first session, what was it? My first session, we did records. But then out of that first session, we did records. But then out of that first session came One in a Million. And then the second session came If Your Girl Only Knew.

Wow. First and second session. The first session came One in a Million. Which is crazy. Meaning that that wasn't the first song in the first session. Right, right, in the session. Meaning like before we left, we did One in a Million. Okay. So we did other songs prior to this.

It wasn't like that. It was like, I'm not trying to make myself like no superhero. Like, the first song I did was One in a Million. No, no. That was at the four or five songs. You don't think that's enough? Just in the first session, you made One in a Million? That's enough by itself

Yeah But you know what I'm saying And then the second one was If You Girl They Knew Yeah Alright cool Now you got like a triple album With Jay-Z

Look So when I do interviews We We pull up everything So You got the list? You got I'm gonna just

Name out some certain songs You just tell me These certain sessions With you and Jay, right? Dirty Fish Shoulders is one of them. You can watch that on a black album, man. Come on, girl. Nah, nah.

The movie. I told you in the movie. No, this is on Millennials. This is on new Millennials right now. We got a new whole new audience. But you can see it on the black album. Yeah, you can watch it. Watch it.

Watch it. We want them to see it on here. So Dirty Fish Shoulders, how did this come about? Just like all that thing. It's no different. I mean, but let's suppose these 14-year-olds who listen to us, who don't listen to these

motherfuckers, put on... It's on the movie. I'm going to tell you the same thing from the movie. I walked in, he came down, it was the exact thing. I had the beat. I knew that beat was fine. And there it was. And the beauty about that, that was the first time he captured the moment that can't be explained. On film.

And there's no, you can watch it on film. I don't. Every time I watch it. We got stupid fans. Timbaland. We got stupid fans. You don't have stupid fans. We got Yeah, Tim Timbaland similar because you Don't have to be people. Yes, we got all the dumb fans rather They don't black made the black made the black is on the movie you do

They gave us first albums four four four on offense. They're kind of slow offense Well, they don't think that's his first album. No, I'm just playing. No, they don't. But Fade to Black, Fade to Black, that movie kinda, he captured it. So it was like, it was the perfect time. I said, look, when people ask me to go on a show, I say, watch Fade.

They don't even ask me about it. They say, man, I watched Fade to Black, man. We went to the show. I said, Dave, thank you. Cause I ain't gotta explain it. You caught, it's on camera. Right. Everything is caught on camera. And people wanna know more. It's like't got to explain it. It's on camera. Everything is caught on camera.

If you want to know more, it's like, no more. Okay, then how about Big Pimpin'? UGK. Because at this time, UGK is definitely not known in the New York area. Not in the VG. Okay. This is going to be real short and simple. Go ahead. Cool.

That was a track I was saving for Tim and Magoo. Me being sharp as a... Because I think I'm very sharp. You was doing your Quincy Jones shit? I was saving for Tim and Magoo me being sharp as a cuz I'm thinking Quincy Jones shit I was on my I was on my sharpness right and I was like this shit bigger than me this shit bigger than you yeah we're bigger than me I told him well he's walking by the lead studio hmm I told him and man I got this beat I want to play I don't want to play it for you, but. You talking to Magoo? No, I'm telling Jay before he leave the studio.

Okay. I'm like, I don't want to play this beat for you, but I know it's for you, so I'm going to play it. So I play it. He take off his jacket, hip hop, take off their jacket. Jay's like, oh, oh, my God. Jay's face lit up, hip-hop with these guys a big pimp and you said we on something and Jason I see you tomorrow was it automatic that you GK would be on that record and I don't know that at

that point that track Jay took time with that track. Okay. He didn't do this like how Jay-Z do it. This was, he took his time with that record. And you can tell. Because look at what it sold. We even got sued over this shit. How did that lawsuit end up? Just on production tip. Like if producers listen.

Well, you know, I don't like to brag, but you know, we walked out of there, you know. He was good. Y'all, y'all. I just leave it at that. Y'all was good. Y'all, y'all. I just leave it at that. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, it was good. But, you know what I'm saying, because it was a, I just think the energy of the song was not done in a malice way. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't like we was trying to get over. I paid, you know what I'm saying? The sample. Yeah, I paid. Like, I paid. The Indian artist, right? I paid. So that's how I paid whatever, 200,000.

There you go. And then they tried to come back afterwards. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So that's fine. It's beauty. The song is beautiful, man. When something is so beautiful, it's always going to be evil around the corner.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So that song is beautiful. It was made out of love. When Jay-Z did that did that i saw the love in his face the track put a smile on his face like i saw that this was that one for him you know so i saw like it this was gonna make him think like i know jay-z's a he he's a person who likes to read if he if he ever texts you the way he texts is he's very sharp and smart. It's a rhyme.

He texts you in like a letter. His spaces. His spaces. Spaces in between. I'm telling you, man, he's like John Q. I'm telling you. Now, Holy Grail. He called me. I was in New York.

Dream had the hook already. He wanted me to remake the beat. And I did. I did my part. I did Lucian's Fox. He called me in to upgrade the equipment. And that's what I just did. So crazy.

You like that. Equipment. Ah! That's right! Two for the dollar, I put it at three for the dollar. You know what I'm saying? Lift it up a little bit. Same, same equipment.

Dream gave me all the tools. He said, this is what you got. I said, all right, let me up. Leave it low on my hard drive. Whoop, whoop, there it is. And me, not just me by myself, Jerome, J-Rock, he was great. He caught it. He was like my side partner.

He was my, you know, not going to say my assistant. I like to say my partner. Right. Because at that time, he was my you know not gonna say my assistant I like to say my partner because at that time he was my partner and when I needed some assistance on this particular project I'm what happens is I wanted to I needed some keys he knew how to elevate so he was a great partner at that time okay now I'm gonna do one more stronger than is that your bitch i think that's the i had that track and um i gave it to puff originally but you're gonna say time out yeah time out what i think i think i gave it to i. I believe it was a puff, but.

Puff daddy. Gabe, is that your bitch? Puff daddy. I believe. I believe. I think so. But he turned that down. He didn't turn it down.

I think. He was late on the response. I think. Can you get to it? I think maybe I might have been just playing music, just be playing. And Jay-Z just, yo, let me, you know. That was like, but when he did the rap,

it was like, oh, man, he fit it. Right. So how did you call Puff and tell him, it's a rap? Yeah, I mean. How did you do that? How did that phone go out? Or did the record just come out?

That was a messy situation. Yeah? Yeah. Because I didn't, that was the first time like, oh man, what do I do? You know what I'm saying? But that was me being young and naive and not understanding the ethics of business and jumping the gun, you know. Right. And I learned my lesson.

Nothing major happened, but just like, I don't like to have confusion in music right I don't like to have one person upset with me because I gave another person something that I didn't know they treasure you know I'm saying so it just business ethics came in like when you do, you know, have your word or do it the right way. Would there be another Timbaland and Magoo project? Because Magoo, that's the only person we ain't talking about.

Talked about anybody else. No, that was like, Magoo was my friend, so it was like a fun thing. And it was fun to do. Because he was like the down south Q-tip almost. I guess.

Yeah, he was. He was like the Q-tip. Funk Flex told me that today. He was south Q-tip almost. I guess. Yeah, he was. He was like a Q-tip. Funk Flex told me that today. He was like, Q-tip. He was my friend. He's my friend. I make Funk Flex's voice. He's like Q-tip.

I'm sorry. I tried to make Funk Flex's voice. That's Melvin. You sounded like Leroy Cohen there. I'm sorry, man. I mean, he's my friend. You know, that was something that we did. That was a dream or a passion of ours, and we did it.

Right. It wasn't meant to be one or two or three or four. It was something that, like. Yeah, we're doing it for fun. Yeah, and it happened. Right. And we got paid for it. And the fun was worthwhile at a moment.

I think it was. Well, Timberland, we just want you to know we salute our legends. In our game, every 10 years, these people want to ride you off and they want to say you're over and they want to say fuck you. It don't matter if you get money or not. And in this game, I want to reverse that. I want to change that. I want people to know that the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice.

You know what I'm saying? The older you get, the older you lose. And the older, you don't get old because the older you don't get old because you stop playing you get old because you stop playing it's a different generation and we are the OG's and we got to figure out how to translate

that to the new generation to the new generation and I understand it now it's like the problem with us we always criticize so much. But when we was young, we didn't criticize nothing. And when you look at Tekashi69, these people are great, man. Big them up.

You know, they are great artists. Let them be who they're going to be. Let's watch their journey. Right. In some way, Quincy Jones watched all the people he produced. He looked back at it and he was like, man, I produced all these people and they all died.

I'm not saying that about the new generation, but let's just watch their journey and see what happens. And hand down that information while we're here. If they want it, they take it. If they don't want it, that's on them. Let's have fun because they make great music to me.

Anything you would have changed if you ever would have started over? Anything you would like to change? I just should have been more alert when it comes to business and not let the fun get in the way. It should have been more, you know, just alert. You know, when you're young, we're doing, you know what I'm saying? You're still young. You're still young.

Yeah, I'm still young, but I'm saying, but I didn't come from that world. So when everything moving fast, I just, you know, should have slowed it down at my pace. And you in the gym crazy. Where's your trainer? Hook me up, nigga. Your trainer's doing his job, nigga. My trainer's fucking up. We're here.

You know, for real, you're looking very young. How is that? How is that, you know, getting old and getting into the gym? And what makes you spark and do that? Because I've seen a rumor where people were quitting because they was hanging with Dr. Dre being the engineers. And Dre would make his engineers and his assistant go to the studio. And people were quitting. I never heard of that.

Are you like that, too? You mean go to the gym, you mean? Yeah, he would make them go to the gym and film and all that type of shit. Because you got to be a machine like we are. So your engineer, your assistant, everybody got to do the same shit? No, I just do. I got my own agenda. You know what I'm saying? I got a partner. My girl is my partner. Oh, big up your girl.

And we do everything, man. We like on the new Incredibles. God damn it. The Incredibles with the red suit yeah long long sure no niggas no niggas is all give me a high five so you ladies the new Incredibles that's all can we do everything together I think y'all the Jay-Z and Beyonce concert yeah I was over there Gucci down money minding y'all business. She was Gucci down, not me. Nah, I seen you Gucci down too.

Not me. Is she here right now? Yeah. Okay. Girl, you Gucci down. She's a boxy down. I was watching y'all

and I was like, oh shit. Y'all was over there. We do everything. We work out in the morning. We do club carter, correct? It was club carter.

Club carter. She works. Yeah, we do everything together. Oh, this is so beautiful. Give Timberland a aww. Aww. I take the aww.

Yeah, take the aww. Listen, man, I'm married. I'm married. God damn, you gonna make some noise for me? I could make noise. I'm married. These gonna give Timberland a aww, and they'll give me a goddamn marriage clap.

Give me a marriage clap. I'm done. That was beautiful. Listen, you marriage clap. That's beautiful. Listen, you know what? It's beautiful to show hip hop growing up. Because back in the days, in the 90s, we talking about fucking all these bitches. Niggas ain't fucking these bitches right now.

Niggas is old men. My knees is fucked up. First of all, you don't want multiple partners. We think too much. You know what I'm saying? I'm cool. I'm comfortable. Listen, atlantic everything fits atlantic breakfast she's like a personal like to a party today and i said yo no i literally got up my knees hurt i said i'm sorry no no i don't

hurt i just don't want to do that no much you heard it i'm going to box i feel like me and my girl we're incredible we can't be seen everywhere that That's right. Oh, God damn it. I'm going to start using that. Can I take that? Can I take that? I'm like, but I'm going to be honest. Sometimes the older, you know, that's why I love 444. Because 444 actually reflected a grown man. Yeah, but the kids ain't going to get that until later.

That's why I'm glad it's 444. But it ain't for the kids, correct? It's for them. It's the Bible for them. They's for them. It's the Bible for them. Mmm. They'll get it. It's the Bible. Mmm. And I can leave on that note. Jay-Z left the Bible. He left the Book of Eli for this generation.

And that's 4.4. Goddamn, make some noise. Goddamn it. Yeah! Take the pictures in. Let's go. Let's go. Goddamn it. Thank you so much, Tim. This's go. Goddamn it. Thank you so much, Tim. This was great.

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