Drink Champs - Episode 160 w/ Xzibit

Episode Date: March 15, 2019

N.O.R.E & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On this episode the Champs chop it up with West Coast lyrical wordsmith Xzibit. They talk about early beginnings, Pimp my Ride and new ventures. Also get a guest appearance from Left coast lyrical monster Crooked I. Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's DJ EFN And it's drink champ Yappy Yowel Make some noise! When we think of the West Coast When we think of a person who's been standing here phenomenal You think of a person who stood by Dr. Dre's side We heard he's still running the pharmacy right now It's this very moment

He's transitioned and went into another whole direction and he made motherfucking cars He has stood the test of time you see him on Fox TV out here and play doing what it gotta do still out here with the thickest Cubans Making the West Coast look good. If you don't know who I'm talking about, we're talking about the one, the only, the Xzibit! Now, Xzibit, you've been out here monkey-footing this game for a long goddamn time, my brother.

You got one of the most rememberable videos of all time. Yeah, what you see is what you get, man. That was crazy. Of all time. It was the first time we seen a person like, even though it might have not been one take, it looked like one take.

Like, it was the first time we seen, we were like, what the fuck is going on here? Yeah, that was like, I mean, there's a story behind that video. I was on Loud Records. Who was the director of that video? I was going to get to that. It's a big part of it. So I was on Loud Records. Who was the director of that video? I was going to get to that. It's a big part of it.

So I was on Loud Records and at the time it was like heavyweights on the label and we had a West Coast office and in the West Coast office it was me, the alcoholics,

I think Cella Duelos was going back and forth but they was trying to break it into the West. And so we were kind of like on our own island. And we all know you can't go to war from an island. So I had to be more creative in order to impress the New York office.

You know, shout out to Matt Life, Scott Free, all those guys. So you told me that was your idea? Yes. Wow. So I went to, I got to this idea of wanting to do this one shot video and all the directors that I kept talking to didn't they couldn't wrap their head around it

so I didn't want to give up on the idea so there's one director that wanted to actually do it but he was a porn director and so he was crazy he was like I'm shooting all kinds of other wild shit why can't I do that? So it was 13 shots.

We did it in like two days. And then we put that thing out. And then it just took off. And I think that was like the first real impression I got to the music industry. Well, everybody had to step our video game up. Yeah. You fucked the game up, man. Just in case you didn't know that. step our video game up. People were like, you fucked the game up, man. Just in case you didn't know that.

You fucked the game up. Everybody was, we had meetings about you. We had meetings. We said, what is this guy doing to the mother? What is this guy doing to the mother? We'll put the water in there. The water in the mom. This doesn't even sound.

Yeah, but I wanted to do videos like that. I was new to the industry. Like paparazzi, that was my idea to put the orchestra on the beach. Because I just wanted to do other than what everybody else was doing. I've always tried to be like that. And a true drink champ, Sebastian. You're a real drink champ. Because when I Googled you, I realized that you got married and arrested on the same day.

Absolutely. On the same day. Absolutely on the same day. God damn it. That is true, Dre. Damn it. You know, as you see you are, which is crazy. Only I could do that. You know, it was, first of all, I love being married.

You know what I'm saying? It turned into a- Let's give them a hug, y'all. One, two, three. I love being married too, by the way. Yeah, absolutely. And it was a beautiful ceremony. We had all our friends and family there.

And everything went off without a hitch. I got back to, you know, we were staying in a resort next to the place we got married. And then we ended up getting in the room. And my wife was like, you forgot the box. You know, the box where everybody drops the gifts. The gifts, you know what I'm saying? Oh, the money box. Right, the money box.

Oh my. And so I feel like, you know what, it's right around the corner. I feel good. Yeah, yeah. Let me run and go get that real shit real quick, baby. So I hit the corner, got the box, came back out, stopped. You know, was really excited about getting back.

And I hit a light, and then lights came on. Okay, so you did hit a light. So it's not like the police. It's not racial or nothing like that. No, I'm not going to give them that. I did fly a light. You know what I'm saying? And so they lit me up.

So I pulled over in the thing, and I was literally, I mean, like, this is where I got stopped. This was the hotel. Right. You know? Wow. And so I was telling the cops, like, yo, you know, I just got married. I was just here. It was there.

I did this and this. That motherfucker said, oh, yeah? Where's your tuxedo? I was like, nigga, I just checked. You know what? Fuck you. Just, you know, I ain't got time for this. I was in there nigga, I just, you know what, fuck you. Just, you know,

I got time for this. I was in there for about an hour. You know what I'm saying? And then the folks came and got me. But the next day, it was like,

it was, you know how it is. You know what I'm saying? It was all over the place. It was fucked up then. I was mad as fuck. You can tell in my booking photo.

I was fucking mad. But at the same time, you know, now it's a funny story. Nah was fucking mad. But at the same time, you know, now it's a funny story. Nah, definitely not. Only I can pull some shit like that off. Yeah, it's crazy.

So, now when you described earlier, you said loud records, right? Yeah. Now, again, we just had Dead Prez on here too and you guys were like,

that was like the epitome of loud. You guys, Dead Prez, Marv D, Big Pun. How is it even being on a legendary label like that? Is it competitive? You describe it. Oh, the New York niggas hated us.

Oh, man. I didn't even see you say that. Like I said, it was two separate things. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And it was like when we go to the office, it was like, oh, these niggas is here. You know what I'm saying? And it was like when we go to the office it was like, oh, these niggas is here. You know what I'm saying? Because at the time,

you know, Wu-Tang was a juggernaut. You know what I'm saying? It was super. So it was like we always had to prove ourselves. And then when we got victory... When you're saying we, you're saying West Coast? West Coast niggas.

And it was with the artists or the executives or the people in the office? It was just like, come on, man, you know what it was back in the day. I mean, come on. You know what I'm saying?

We're used to it. You know, West Coast niggas fly into New York. The radio DJs play the shit when they come from the airport. Then, you know, it's there. Then when they go home, it's like, fuck them niggas. It wasn't like that. Niggas like that. I'm getting some hits.

Let's keep it 1,000. Youiggas like that. I was thinking some hitters like that. I was like, let him calm down. No, no, let's keep it 1,000. You know what I'm saying? But that's what, I mean, not now. You know what I'm saying? Because music is too global. But hip hop was very regional at the time. You know what I'm saying?

And so when we would come in, we would always have to be proving ourselves. And so once we started having success, especially like behind what you see is what you get, and then when we started doing the Dr. Dre stuff, it was kind of like, oh, okay, it's accepted. And it was a different feel when it came into office. But Steve Rifkin, Rich Isaacson, you know, all these guys were like really behind what we were doing. And so it was a struggle at first, but then once they saw how serious it was getting, it became something like we became part of the family right and what was that a goal for you is like to be accepted in new york because we know absolutely because we know like for us it's like you know we we invented hip-hop or whatever but we we and in funny ways we look for y'all

for co-signing like we look to y'all to be like, and then, so I don't know if it ever means, like, for y'all to be accepted back. Absolutely. Oh, okay. Absolutely. I remember going and I remember we used to walk down the streets in New York drinking 40s. Right. You know what I'm saying? With the brown bag over you?

With the brown bag. You know what I'm saying? Sitting on the stoop just going. I remember taking the train when I went to by myself to go to see Master Ace By the way, I don't know why I said it but it sounds very dangerous I think so They always put out of town niggas in Manhattan Put us In the jungle

Right But we can You know I would love Coming to New York And sitting in the studios And listening to the vibes And listening to

Because out in the west You know There's only a few cats That are considered lyrical You know what I'm saying That's a great point Yeah And so You know Me Feeling like I wanted to few cats that are considered lyrical you know what i'm saying and so great point yeah and so um

you know me feeling like i wanted to be part of that um i would always seek out people that i felt were lyrical as well so that's that's why being accepted in new york was so important uh i remember going to new york and shooting the uh i think you were there too the uh the the greatest day in hip-hop when they had everybody oh yeah everybody lined up on the steps yeah yeah yeah that was a really big deal for me I got a lot of respect for the the DJs the culture the the the MC's you know the breakdance and graffiti everything that came from New York you know you know what the crazy shit is so to me if you would have social media back then you would make you to realize how from New York. You know what I'm saying? You know what the crazy shit is? Social media, if we would have had social media back then,

you would have realized how much New York appreciated you more. That's the problem is, you can't find these people because back then, there was no way to get in touch. I knew, I knew, I knew because I walked down the street

and people would tell me. Exactly. And then people was playing the records and living the records. Because Paparazzi got, it was well accepted. It was good, but y'all thought I was from there first.

I mean, I'm from Miami, so I wasn't part of that. That was like, this nigga from where? No, from there first. I mean, I'm from there first. That was like, this nigga from where? No, because you were spitting. You were spitting. You were play spitting. You were spitting. You were spitting.

You were all shit. I mean, the whole Licks crew was spitting. Absolutely. Speaking of Licks, because you've got a record with Al Polis. Will you say drinking a Henny is a gift to you? Yeah, no. I can drink a whole Henny to see Phipps fifth so I'm call out a problem but I call it a gift we just want to see you start He also, he didn't talk about it. He didn't talk about it. Yeah.

I'm not going to lie. Let me tell you. All right, all right. Only for you, man. Yes, man. Listen, I hardly Google shit. When we Googled you, it was a lot of alcoholic. A lot of alcoholism.

Yes, yes. And I said, he's the perfect guy. Exactly. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. But you enjoy yourself. I will, man.

Thank you for having me, man. Treat champs. Listen, because I don't know if you know, but we celebrate people's careers over here. You got to stip it when you do it. We celebrate people's careers over here. And for you standing the test of time. A lot of people don't understand how hard that is. Yeah.

You know, I respect these brothers with these two-year careers. One hit, one diss. I respect them, respect them too the same way because they can feed their family, they can feed their family. But by golly, golly gee, if I'm not going to respect the people that have been out there for these eons of years and been able to stand in and transcend. You was one of the first people like, I'm gonna be honest, you might have created love in hip-hop. Now, hear me out. I know everybody like, what the fuck? Hear me out, everybody. You were the first rapper to fuck with reality and make it cool.

Through that seed, kind of birthed every other reality show after that. Look at us. I think when we did Pimmar. Because Will and LL did it, but they did a scripted show. Right. This is non-scripted, correct? Pimmar, right? Absolutely.

So I think you were like, you're going to make some more of this. So describe to me, because you exhibit, you're out here in the West Coast, and these people from MTV stepped to me, because, you know, you exhibit, you're out here in the West Coast, and these people from MTV stepped to you, or was it a production company that stepped to you prior? It was a production company. A gentleman named Rick Hurwitz came to me. Sounds rich.

Yeah. He came to me and was like, you know, I want to do this car show, because I was getting my cars actually done at West Coast Customs. Whoa! And so he, and I was just sitting around cracking jokes, making people laugh and shit. And so he was like, you know, you'd be a great host. I was like, fuck you. I'm not going to fucking.

And at the time, there's nothing else to compare it to. Yeah, there's nothing to compare it to. So we literally. Please, guys, please. There's nothing else to compare it to. Yeah, there's nothing to compare it to. So we literally did the pilot. And one of the camera guys' backyard, he had a friend of his. We literally put an air freshener and put some new hubcaps and washed the shit. That was like what we did to the car. And so, you know, he came in and was like, oh, this is great.

And I was just fucking with him and making jokes about him in his car and so we they took it to MTV they bought ten episodes and they put us on at like 11 o'clock at night the show came on and then it just took off out of the atmosphere and then we ended up being part of like next to the Ashton Kutcher show, the punk show. Punk, punk. They packaged me with punk and bam and then it became. Jackass?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those guys. And so that's when it really like became like this international thing. I'm just counting your money right now. How many seasons? How many seasons? It was seven seasons of that. Wow, you're going to lie. That, when they put you together with that,

that's when you knew your tax bracket got different. No, it did not. It did not? Oh, no. No way. It's with your exposure, man. It did not. And I'm not going to get into that because, you know,

it turned out to be, you know, a benefit on my side anyway. You know what I'm saying? Because you like the exposure and the way that I became a household name, it allowed me to go in and start doing films and start doing my own thing outside of what that is. Now, Pin My Ride was the catalyst for all of the car shows that you see now. There was no other car show. It was like, I don't think the speed channel had even existed when we first came so um it was it was a lot that was

going on with that show at first it started like really the what people miss about Pimp My Ride is that it wasn't about me it wasn't about the car it wasn't even about the kid it's about wish fulfillment it was about somebody what I'm sorry wish fulfillment you know like did like people at home thinking that this could happen to me oh yes you know and so you're right all right and so people do you know Jerry Springer was the opposite like this is also this kid everybody else that you know if you don't have a lot of money everybody has a shitty car everybody wishes they could make it look better I don't have enough to get a new one,

but I like what I have. And so, you know, once it got away from that and turned into, okay, hold this Sprite can and look this way, and then put the video, you know, games up on the thing, I was like, where is all these checks going? You know what I'm saying? You know, and then they hand me my little fee for hosting, you know what I'm saying? And it was and then they hand me my little fee for hosting.

You know what I'm saying? And it was like, yo, man, all right, cool. So let me finish my thing because I'm a man of my word. I always complete what I started. You know what I'm saying? I always fulfill my contracts. And so once it was done, it was done. You know what I'm saying?

So I ended up going and doing films and really, like, focusing on my shit. And when I first did Pit My Ride, I was kind of, like, nobody was talking to me. Like, my peers in hip-hop weren't, didn't have an opinion at the time. You know what I'm saying? Like, because... No, I don't know.

Explain. Because, as you said, this is something that didn't exist before. Okay, okay. So cats was sitting back looking, like, what is this nigga doing? Like, when is it going to leave? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's just going, you said, this is something that didn't exist before. So, cats was sitting back looking like, what is this nigga doing? Like, when is it going to leave? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

It's just going, you know. So, you can't high five a motherfucker unless you know he's going to win in hip hop. You know what I'm saying? And so, I felt like the show was taking away my credibility of what I had already done. You know? And so, because people, you know, I was used to having cats like us walking up to me, like, hey, man, you know what I'm saying, my nigga,

you know what I'm saying? And now I got soccer moms coming up saying, man, give me a kiss. Do you hear my records? You know what I'm talking about? And so then it was kind of like a tough thing for me because it was taking so much time. I wasn't able to tour. I wasn't able to record albums.

Damn, I definitely didn't know. I was there filming, filming, filming, filming. So I didn't have time to put out records. So how roughly, like one season, how many weeks would it take? Well, see, that's the thing. It would be, it's usually 13 episodes in this per season right wow but then somewhere in a contract in a fine print it's like oh we're gonna do uh season uh 13a oh you know what i'm saying and 13b and c and uh like hey hold on you

extending the seasons without upping my shit you know know what I'm saying? And so it was kind of like that's the game, the tug of war that was happening. Up until they couldn't. So, like, I hear most people in love with hip-hop, and they'll say, you know what, Nori, I didn't make a lot of money, but I got the exposure, and the exposure was worth it. Is that something that you kind of relate to? Well, that's what I say to make myself sleep better at night. But no,

all jokes aside, man, you know, I love what Pep Mariah did. I can go around the fucking world and people recognize

if they don't know me from my music, if they don't know me from my acting or whatever, then they know me from that. And I'll take either one

because as I matured, I figured out that that Q rating is what's gonna dictate what you can and can't do, because if you put an asses in the seats, people recognize you, face recognition, then you can work in this industry, you know? Let's make some noise for that, goddammit. So when, did it, during the season of filming, I'm so sorry, was it ever not being fun? Like before you knew about the business part of it?

No, I mean, even when the business was, you know, not exciting. I think the only thing that because, I mean, people always say you did some fucked up shit to that car and put my ride or whatever it was or people you know, like just the wild shit. But I didn't do shit to the car. You know what I'm saying? I was in the beginning

and at the end. You know what I'm saying? I never fixed nothing. Right, right. But I was the face of the show. Yeah. So that ended up being the beginning and at the end you know what i'm saying i i never fixed it right right but but i was the face of the show yeah so so that ended up being all of my shit you know what i'm saying oh so when the bad parts came they blamed you too all of it all of it you know but um you know there was this thing that that happened that kind of you know if you remember there was a um there was a a switch of garages you know from west coast customs and it went over to a different garage okay yeah you know and uh there was an instance where and i bring that

up because i was the face of the show right so one of the cars wasn't fixed correctly and long story short this kid was driving this vehicle that was supposed to be like damn near brand new and the steering wheel came off when he was, you know, driving that shit. He put it on the brake and the shit swerved to the side. He was able to get out of traffic, right? Wow. So imagine if that shit would have killed him. You know what I'm saying?

Who would be the face of that too? You know, so be careful what you ally yourself with and what you, you know, it may be huge, it may be great, but at the same time, you got to be careful of who you are and what you represent to that brand. How many other shows have tried to come at you to replicate Pimp My Ride? Everybody.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody. And then the thing is, everybody wants to pitch these ideas and everybody wants to talk about this new, it's not like Pin My Ride, but it's, you're going to be with a car. But, I mean, it's like, come on, dude. We had lightning in a bottle.

It was great. I'm glad we were the first. And I'm going to leave it there, man. You don't go backwards. Are you ever going to do reality TV again? At this point, I'm going we were the first. And I'm gonna leave it there, man. You don't go backwards. Are you ever gonna do reality TV again? At this point, I'm gonna say no. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Was it because the experience was bad? No. Or because it's just no? No, I just enjoy doing scripted better. You know, I enjoy being on sets. I enjoy learning. I'm starting to enjoy directing as well. So I started doing my own stuff. You know what I'm starting to enjoy directing as well you know so I started doing um my own stuff you know I started over and directing my own films and my

own shorts and we very proud of what we've done that's dope man let's make some noise that right there I got two different things right yeah I One said you were born in Detroit. Yes. And another said you were born in New Mexico. Yes. You were born in New Mexico? He was born twice. He was born twice. I know what it says on the internet, but let me clarify this.

I was born in Detroit, Michigan on September 18, 1974. You're a Virgo. Yeah. I'm a Virgo. Hey! No wonder I fuck with you. Go ahead. You can go. Yeah. 1974. So my mother passed away when I was nine and my dad got remarried and his wife wanted to live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So at nine, ten years old I moved out there with my new family. And then after I did seven years, it felt like jail.

But I was in there for seven years in Albuquerque, and then I went to California. So there's a lot of people, because I went to high school in Albuquerque, all of the high schools, I got successfully kicked out of all the motherfuckers. But I went to Albuquerque like all the high schools got, you know, in a bunch of trouble, had a lot of, you know, difficulty out there. I was angry that my mother had died. I was, you know, I was I was I was, you know, in this forced in this new family. My dad got me married like maybe two, three months after my mom passed away. And and I just was in a really tough spot. And so when I went to California, I ended up, you know, going by myself at 17, 18 years old.

Were you doing music before you moved? Absolutely. I was selling crack. So I was serving and out there and it's a small town. And, you know, we was, you know, 15, 16 driving around and go BMW or go Dayton's. And, you know, like it's like the cops knew exactly who we were. There's only five black people there at the time. So it was crazy.

And so, you know, there was some things, you know, there was a murder that happened. There was a whole bunch of shit in the street. And I was like, you know, I told my dad that at the time, you know, my dad just passed away as well. You know, so I told my dad, I was like, if I don't get out of here, then I'm going to die. So, you know, I'm going to go to California and see what I can do with this music. And at the time I was I was rapping but it was kind of like it's like a hobby I would go to like KU&M and go rap on a little the only rap show they had and it was like on the university campus I was rapping under exhibit A and so I left at 17 went to California and ended up you know just meeting up with 360 which was a

production crew James Broadway and then I got with King T he introduced me to the alcoholics and so on and so the next crew was yeah like that I saw his friends and so what made you start rapping cuz I loved it man I you know my parents were very religious they never let me listen to hip-hop, you know. So I had to get it where I could. I used to, you know, have a little Sony Walkman that I scavengered up. And when I went to school, I would get tapes from all my homies, and I would listen to it there. Then I started taking it home.

And then they found the shit, broke the shit. Every time they found some shit from hip-hop, tapes, CDs, anything, they'd break the shit. What were those tapes? What were the early influences I but I bought everything I bought everything from DJ Magic Mike from from Miami They had a bass music I listen to fucking to live crew I listen to I listen to I listen to rock him Big Daddy Kane I listen to Just ice I listen to all I. I remember listening to the Tommy Boy.

That first tape they came out with, with the guys breaking on the front. Oh, yeah. I remember. But, I mean, I listened to everything. I wasn't regional at the time because I just loved it. But I felt when I got my hands on the D.O.C. CD. The Diggy Diggy Doc, y'all. Yeah, the D.O.C. is my favorite Duck, y'all. Yeah, the DLC is my

favorite rapper, period. Wow. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah, yeah. So, you

know, I started listening to it like that, and then when they found them, they would just confiscate

or break everything, and so I ended up writing my own rhymes. The American West with

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Yeah, yeah, Raskast. You know what I'm saying? Will.i.am. Yeah, yeah, Razz. You know what I'm saying? Will.i.am. Yeah, yeah. The Far Right. Yeah, the Far Right. All those cats. We used to all be in this club called Unity.

And so that was where the rappers were coming from. Project Blow was like another style of another side that was doing the same thing, you know, coming up. And so there was like this real, like real live, vibrant underground hip hop scene in Los Angeles. And so once Snoop went from Death Row over to Master P's label, The No Limit, you know, we had had interaction. I was cool with Snoop and he's called me and he was like yo you know we we're working on this album I want you to come get down I think dr. Drake gonna do the beat is it cool if you call you that's like yeah

it's not bitch please is this absolutely okay so that's so I think as you said it it came in my mind bitch please yeah so um uh a couple minutes later Dre called me he told me uh you know he had echo sound you want to come through you know see what you got uh I think I just I think the phone was still in the air when I was already out the door man I was already moving and so I ended up going to um the the studio it took me about 15 minutes to write that and then I laid it and then I shook his hand and I thanked him for the opportunity I didn't ask for the work who I should send the invoice to I didn't ask you know what the publishing these yeah I didn't ask what the split I

didn't give fuck Thank You dr. Dre I appreciate it was for his album yeah he said it was for top dog yeah this for for sno a fuck thank you Dr. Dre I appreciate it was for his album yeah he said it was for Top Dog yeah this for for uh for Snoop's album thank you for the opportunity boom uh like a week later you know a couple weeks later Snoop called me he's like hey nephew you know we using that as a single I was like oh shit but I was like my life is about to change. And sure enough, from that, that was like, you know, as an underground cat, you know, being on MTV, you know, and being pushed across that platform at the time was huge. There was no, you know, online shit that could really, like, pump it to where it was. It was like the video shows and the DJs were making this work. And so that was my first time really on that type of, you know,

top ten, top billboard, you know, all kinds of shit. And then Dre started being, you know, interested in what I was doing. And so I never once asked Dr. Dre to pay me for anything that we did together because I was already on Loud. I was already on Columbia. You know, I was like, they should be paying you. You know what I'm saying? And so, then

that opportunity led to me being invited to be on his record. You know, and then... What was his record? The first record you worked on with him? That was the Chronic 2001. Yeah.

And so... Happy meeting! Continue, continue. was uh the chronic 2001 yeah yeah uh and so happy meeting yeah continue continue yeah and so so you know he called me in to be you know on the uh um on the 2001 and then we ended up going on the up and smoke tour yeah and that that was it man that was like it went up another level, you know? And, man, that was a very pivotal point in my career. And how was just being around that, just the environment? Because, like you said, you went on the tour. It was fucking crazy, man. What do you think? It was fucking crazy.

This is hip-hop and roll? This is like, okay, dude, I went from looking at these guys and reading the credits on their projects This is hip hop and roll? This is like, okay, dude, I went from looking at these guys and reading the credits on their projects to being in the studio and on tour buses and behind stages and in prayer circles and getting ready to go hit the stage. This was a real dream come true for me.

It was crazy. Damn. dream come true for me it was crazy it was that the up in smoke tour yeah it was fucking crazy that's when M was starting it was going hard too it was fucking crazy dude it was like the people that showed up to that tour they saw a piece of history that I don't know is ever going to be repeated I don't think so to have that many stars at that time on one bill and have

no hiccups and get through it all 40 shows and then get back and really become friends and family and then continue on that was incredible man I definitely cut my teeth on that tour I had been on tours before but none like that you know now one of 50s famous records he said is it within the cut

smoking all that would you think 50 was gonna be as big as 50 years I remember Eminem playing before a show. He called me in the room and he played 50s music and was like, I think I'm going to sign him. I'm M. M, yeah. You out in California? No, I think we was on the road. We was on up in smoke, I think. Do you remember when he played you? Was it one of the mixtapes or something?

I think it was a mixtape. It was the one where it's kind of the black and white cover and he has the, he got the hat on, the bulletproof vest. Well, he always has on a bulletproof vest. Yeah. But I think it was like one of his first joints. And then I listened to it and I was like, oh shit, this shit about to be crazy. Because you could hear it in the music. one of his first joints. And then I listened to it and I was like, oh shit, this shit about to be crazy.

Because you could hear it in the music. And now, at the music I was amazed. But to see what he's done with not only his TV presence and his production and his business.

His branding. His business and branding and his trolling is right up there too. That's part of his marketing services. Man, but I'm not surprised that 50 is as big as he is. You know what I'm saying?

Were you in the studio when he recorded that? No, he just shot me out. Yeah, yeah. I think Tracy over at the Shady Camp actually is the first one that told me he did it. And I was like, what? And then, you know, it's like they called me to the video and history.

Let's make some noise back here. Is this a Tiger Bone time? I think it's Tiger Bone time. I think it's Tiger Bone time. Now, this is the part of the show that gets a little weird, a little off grid, because we got to celebrate. Listen, we celebrate your life. We celebrate your career.

I appreciate that. Thank you. Let me just tell you something. This is what I hate in the game. So many people want to celebrate you if you're gone or let's knock on wood or something happens to you. People say, how great this guy is. And why I can't say that

to you right now absolutely likewise and that's what i say our culture and when i say our culture i don't want it to be racial because it's not just black and latinos i'm talking about our culture period like mc search he's white and we should be praising him and what he's done and and i want to keep continuing to do that like I want our culture meaning hip-hop to let's let's be each other up for instance we've been through all of that you know hurt this guy hurt this shit we've done that already that let's go forward yeah let's move forward and I I for one I've seen I've seen your career I've seen what was the album drop in... What was the album you dropped in 98?

It was At the Speed of Life and then 40 Days, 49. 40 Days, 49. Yeah. And, you know, I dropped in like 98, so I understand. You know,

I see, and this is to be celebrated. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, hip-hop, we're superheroes. Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying? Some of us don't wear capes. Some of us do, though. Yeah. I'm not a cape guy. Absolutely, you know say some of us do this Okay, you know what the fuck is this The drink champs edition It's not good for any of us though. No, no. Oh my god. This is called Tiger Ball. It's a drink champs edition. Alright, my dude.

Yo, salute. Salute, baby. Salute. Salute, salute. Yeah, man. What the fuck? Mmm. Ah.

Ah. That bad. Diablo-y. That ain't that bad. I knew you was going to say that. Come on. It's the licks right here, dude. Yeah, the licks crew.

That's the licks. That's the licks. That's the licks. That ain't that bad. I knew you was going to say that. Come on, let's go. It's the licks right here. Yeah, the licks crew. So on the Up and Smoke tour, there's a certain part where you just take a bottle. You used to do that for real? Man, I used to do a lot of shit. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it.

I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I'm not proud of it. I used to do a lot of shit that you know was not you know good for me so I had to really evaluate what was happening and kind of like you know yeah I don't know if it's called getting old and maturing or whatever you want to call it, but I look at other people and I don't have to learn, you know, by doing the same thing. I can look at somebody and know like, oh, I don't want to do that. You know what I'm saying? Or, man, that didn't pan out the way they thought it was and take that and use it in my navigation.

So, you know, I feel good about, you know, what I've done. I have no regrets what I've done in hip-hop, but I don't do none of that shit like I used to. You know, I'm running businesses, I'm with family. You know, I have things that are very, very important to me. And so I know what that feels like. I know what it feels like to have unlimited alcohol. I know what it feels like to be able to roll pounds of weed all day, every day. I know what that feels like. I know what it feels like to have unlimited alcohol. I know what it feels like to be able to roll pounds of weed all day, every day.

I know what that feels like. But I've never had a billion dollars. You know what I'm saying? I've never had hundreds of millions of dollars. Not that even material is the goal. It's like how hard can I push my success? How hard can I get to where I want to go so I can turn around and help the people I want to help instead of seeing

everybody get help you know and pull their other homeboys out and be able to laugh at the cats that ain't in their clique I want to take care of my people the same way you know so that's what motivates me to become more and to not listen to the people

that have negative shit to say but have you, I'll take care of the people that want to be in my circle, you know? And that's easier than dealing with people that ain't ever going to be convinced, you know? Now, you know what I always say? I say go where you celebrate it and not tolerate it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, same shit. Go to places where people want you to be there. Like, a lot of us, we want to be accepted in places

we shouldn't even care about. Yeah, yeah. I don't care about being nominated for the Grammys. Yeah, it may be some light over there that you think somebody else is getting and you admire the sparkly shit or whatever, but, oh, man,

the people that I've expected to be in my corner and be part of my success never were. It was the people that you know were sitting there with me when it wasn't glamorous and then you could see the excitement when something happened for me even if it wasn't that big if it was just something it was genuine it was genuine you know what i'm saying so that's where i'm at with it man i i used to want to be i want to be

accepted i want to be fit in i want to i want to be around these guys i want to be accepted. I want to be fit in. I want to be around these guys. I want to be in this circle. I don't give a fuck about that shit. You know what I'm saying? Because it means nothing. Because even when you get there, you find out that them niggas don't like each other either. You know what I'm saying? The grass is only greener on the other side because the grass is fake.

I thought you guys were a team, but they don't work like that. So you better off making the people that's with you now the people that's with you then. Right. You know? Wait, hold on. Sorry. Do you still roll with the producer that did Paparazzi?

He was your DJ at one point. No. They did the track for Paparazzi. He's an L.A. producer. I see him, but we haven't done any music together. Do you remember the first time you came to Miami?

Or at least the first time I think you came to Miami. Listen, he remembers. Trust me. Yeah. I don't remember the first time. He was probably

going through a lot of bush. Whoa, what happened here? What? I wasn't ready for that. He came to Wynwood actually before Wynwood was popping. When was the hood?

It was Hoodstock. We had a concert called Hoodstock. Paparazzi was out. It was just vinyl. Okay, now I remember. Just vinyl release. Yes. And we saw you, my crew saw you, and we recognized you.

And you were just hyped to be recognized. Yes. Because you just had a vinyl single out. You wasn't out like that. Yes. And then you said, I need to be in in winwood at this spot called hoodstock we were in the beach it was how can i be down yes uh-huh and you told me the dude that was with you was either the dj or the producer of paparazzi yes and i said yo i'll take you okay

i don't know let's go i had my pathfinder and you didn't want we didn't have room because i had my crew. Did you floss in with the Pat Fine? I did my thing too. I thought you was flossing. So his boy was in the back of the trunk because we wasn't my crew. We were in our seats already. He said, I'll jump in the luggage area, no problem. And I just remember him with, he had an Echo Canteen with gin and juice in it, and we passed him around. We pulled up to the hood stock.

We got to the wrong area, so it was just a fence. And when you say echo, you mean Mark Echo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And M.O.P. was performing on stage with Heather B. And then we start climbing, because there was no way to get into it, so we start climbing a fence. You don't remember none of this?

I don't remember that shit. I think it was a canteen kicking in at this point. And since people, you know, we locally people knew us, they're like, you know what, that's crazy, look climbing this, an exhibit? And he jumped the fence, went on, there was some chaos on the show. It's just a crazy memory.

Wow, damn. Wow. They were gonna kill me by this and bring it up. Charlie, he, they were there. You were there? What the fuck? They were going to kill you by bringing it up. Charlie, here, there, there, there. You were there. What the fuck? You were crazy.

You was wilding out. You was a dream champ before dream champs. I'm telling you, man. Like I said, man, we had a lot of fun, man. We had a lot of fun. We did not let off the gas whatsoever. Right. And we had fun with it. We did not let off the gas whatsoever. Right. You know, and we had fun with it, man. But I think, you know,

me looking back at that time and seeing, I did exactly what the fuck I was supposed to do. I was young. I was a teenager. I was, you know, I had a record out.

You know, I had come from the most shittiest shit show you can think of. And I was having fun, man. And I just think, I'm just thankful for the experience I've had. I'm thankful, you know,

for people that understand me and have those memories and can remember that shit for me. Because God knows, we've got a crazy ass picture to go with it too. But I'm glad, man. It's like, you know,

we didn't have social media back then. Like, now you can turn on your cell phone and you can record the memories. You know, it's going to mean something. Other people are going to see it. But we have that up here, man. It's like we got pictures here and there of moments. But that time, that energy, I don't know, man. It feels really special to me.

It is special, man. It is special. Now, in 2000, Dr. Dre executive produced special to me. My is special man. It is special now 2000 dr. Dre is that could reduce doubt? Mm-hmm. Now people get a beat from dr. Dre You might get a purse Sometimes I let Not too many people get a second right toast right and not up not on Interscope or Aftermath if you're not on Aftermath

you did this on Loud on Loud who how what did you do what kind of naked pictures you had no

no I'm just playing no I'm just playing no actually it was the Kendrick before Kendrick actually it takes actually that question takes us back to the top of the conversation. After we had did What You See Is What You Get,

Louds said, go back and make another album. They didn't want to film another video. Wow. And Bitch Please hadn't come out yet. Oh, no, it had come out, and that's why I got so mad. Okay, so I got extremely pissed. And so Steve Rifkin was saying, yeah, it had come out, and that's why I got so mad. Okay, so I got extremely pissed. And so Steve Rifkin was, you know, saying, you know, yeah, it was good, but now imagine if you come out with more music.

I was like, you didn't even promote the music that we just put out. Wow. So I got pissed, and I just left on tour. Wow. And I didn't want to do an album. I just refused the budget. And so Steve Rifkin, shout out Steve Rifkin, I love you, man, but I'm just telling the truth.

You got to tell the truth. Tell it. You know, Steve tried to show up to the first Up and Smoke show and was turned away at the gate because they asked me and I felt like, why should you be able to benefit off something that you had nothing to do with?

This relationship that I built with Dr. Dre and Snoop and all these guys is on my accord. And so then it was like, you know, okay, so I'm just going to go, and even though it would be so opportune for me to record an album, you know what I'm saying, I know you're not going to do right by it, you know? So I just went and started working.

Everybody thought I was on Aftermath. Everybody thought I was on Interscope. Wow. And so then Dre knew what I was going through, you know? But that's about it. And so afterwards, at the end of the, like halfway, midway through the tour, Dre and Jimmy called Steve in and asked, okay, so we love Xzibit. We love what's going on with his career.

We love, you know, working with him. We know, you know, you brought him to this point. How can we get him over here with us to be with us and Steve said he wrote a number on a piece of paper that Jimmy Iovine was like really so it kind of kiboshed it

and I felt like Steve was trying to fuck my shit up you know what I'm saying and I was like, yo, man. And he's like, you're like my son. You know, I started with you. We're going to do this thing together.

I was like, bro, you don't even want to film a video where we had the number one shit across all hip hop. Like, what are you talking about? So I was at odds with the label. And so then when we finished the tour, he like let's go do a record let's do this whatever I was like yeah Steve was like do some work I was like I'm only gonna do it if you take care of dr. Dre and dr. Dre was like you're gonna pay me this and then we're gonna fucking do this you know I'm saying and then we're gonna we're gonna get it done you? But I don't want this money

to come from Xzibit. I want it to come from you. Wow. That's what Dre said. Dre said. Jesus. And that's why the record is out.

That's why I'm going to make a shit right here. We got to promote that. Yo, Dre has always been 100,000% with me and I will never say anything derogatory or negative about him. I will always be by his side. I will always ride with him.

You know what I'm saying? That's my nigga. He's my friend. You know what I'm saying? He's my mentor. He made a lot of things happen in my career that I never thought would happen. So, you know, and we still to this day, you know what I'm saying, have a rapport that, you know,

we can sit in the room and chop it just like this, you know, on some real shit. And are you involved with the pharmacy? Is that true? Right now we're on a hiatus.

I think everybody has other stuff to do. I think the, I think the Anderson Pack program, you know what I'm saying, is definitely doing what it has to do. Congratulations to Andy.

Yeah. You know, he over there, he killed it. I've seen him in Noble. Yeah. Malibu, Malibu. I love his new record. And so that's what they're doing.

Beach One is still going strong, shout out Zane Lowe. You know, Eddie and Johnny, all the people over there at the pharmacy. So right now, if they bring it back on the air, you know I'm going to be right there. Okay. Man. Okay. So what was it I produced the whole show they said you was the executive producer yeah oh my god yeah now I'm so um let me ask you so let's get let's go into California for a little bit. Because if you're in New York, you've got to be involved with, you know,

you've got to be a five percenter. You've got to be a Muslim. You know what I'm saying? Nowadays, you've got to be a blood on a crib. Yeah, man. That all started from California. Gang rules. Yeah. You know, which is crazy because it's like, you know, hip-hop.

Like, we gave y'all hip-hop and y'all gave us gang culture. Now it's real gang culture. Like, it's actually places where you go and you can actually tell that this is all a blood section and this is all a crip section. From the same thing that I used to go to y'all neighborhood and see. Well, it wasn't there before. Not in New York. Not in there before. Not in New York. Not in New York. Not in New York.

So what do you think about that? Like, what's your opinion? I think. On how gang culture just exploded everywhere. I think, you know, the dynamics of gang banging in Los Angeles are very complex. Right. I came in when I was a teenager. I hang around a lot of Crips, you know what I'm saying?

I have a lot of blood friends, but mostly I hang out with a lot of Crips, and I see how it go, you know what I'm saying? I think I've never seen you in a red outfit, definitively. No. Like you ain't had, like you might have had red on, but I don't think you ever had a full red outfit. No, I I mean but I mean this but you know I I never I never you

know claimed a neighborhood you know saying I got with a lot of cats from Venice Venice show on this is you know claimed a neighborhood you know what i'm saying i hung out with a lot of cats from venice uh venice show line is it's you know that's where i was hanging out but you know coming from where i was coming from and being around that because i was there was there was crips that would come to albuquerque to get weight you know i'm saying from california because it's right there next to the border right and so i would be able to come to L.A. and already have an affiliation with people that I met doing that. And so that's, when I got to L.A., I was, you know, I was embraced by these cats.

And, you know, they had an apartment, and then, you know, I ended up, you know, that's where I met my first son's mother. You know what I'm saying? And so from there, it was like i wanted to be all in they was like nah you going to do this music shit because you're good at it so you can't sell no weight with us you can't run no missions with us you can't do all that shit nigga show me what you wrote today you know what i'm saying and so that's kind of like how i viewed it and that's how i saw it that's the my my my view of where it was now when it

started traveling there were no bloods and crips in new york when i first went to new york there were no um neighborhoods like that there was no niggas that even knew they thought it was silly they used to get mad at us even on records like i remember like you know There was no niggas that even knew, they thought it was silly. They used to get mad at us even on records. Like, I remember like, you know, it was like a thing

to talk about how whack the West Coast niggas was for cursing and gangbanging. Oh, you know, Black Sheep.

Black Sheep. Listen to Black Sheep. You know what I'm saying? They had like this skit where it was like a real, like, fucking gangbanging is all the bitches bitches is whack

They could have meant that about New York cuz remember we had Zulu nation in New York It probably wasn't as powerful as bloods and crips right, but it was considered a gang Zulu lace. We have five percent West Coast let me just say that no understood understood. I'm't think it was just the West Coast. Let me just say that. No, I understood. I'm not taking it like that. But didn't L.A. L.A. have the skit? That's what I'm saying. Like, I'm just saying what he's talking about. You fast forwarded.

I'm talking about the origin. No, I'm talking about the skit. No, I'm talking about the origin. You fast forwarded way too quickly. Hey, I'm just going back to the skit. Hey, shut up, man. He went way too far. No, but then, you know, then when it first started,

I got to admit, man, it was like, you got to be kidding me. You can't. Yeah, you can't have Bloods and Crips in New York. It's just not

supposed to happen. Yeah. just not supposed to happen. Ain't supposed to happen. But then, as you know, because it's not. But that's like saying hip hop ain't gonna happen in New York. I know, I know, I know, I know, but follow me. Yeah. So in that world, as that world operates, it's cats coming from L.A. to New York. Yep.

And they going into the jail system. Yep. And they surrounding into the jail system. And they, and they, and they surrounded and they, and they spread the word. You know what I'm saying? And the word gets spread

and now it's neighborhoods in New York because who's to tell this kid from Brooklyn that went to jail and banged the shit in jail that he can't

come outside and do it. Even though he never stepped foot in Los Angeles. And accept that he's actually claiming. Right. Like he'll say. At this point.

You know what I'm saying? Like it'll be a great nut crib in New York. You say a great nut? Like Grape Street. No, Grape Street. Yeah, yeah. I was saying, the great nuts is a cereal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, great nut. You know what I mean? That's what I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said grape nut. You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. I didn't mean it like that. You know what I mean? It's not grape shirt. Grape Street niggas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go. But you know what I'm saying? So if a person banged Grape Street and is from Harlem, it's kind of crazy because that's that's not where they're from usually. So the same sets follow? They follow? Sometimes it is because

they follow the OG sets. You understand? So they'll say I don't know how it works. Like do you put them on? Like do you put them on? No, I'm just saying. Let's suppose the guy who put them on is from a certain set and that set is from California right yeah they'll claim that set and still being um I don't know I don't know how to the

what the the transfer program works but some California gangs accept accept absolutely and why wouldn't they? And why wouldn't they? But you know And some guys was like You know that ain't That ain't real gangbanger Because you know

You look at the way The Tekashi kid was represented You know it offended a lot of real You know that moves Back at the crib And the fact that there was no I mean It offended that moves in New York yeah paying homage to to what it really represent cuz this cast it you know that they really died for that shit right now and yeah yeah so so

to make a mockery of it and just become like it's a it's a you know it's a mockery that yeah yeah yeah man was no him. I ain't talking about the kid. Me neither. You know, that's just the example. You look at YG, and you look at how, you know, the kid is reputable. You know what I'm saying? And you really bang that. I'm sorry to change it up a little bit, but I've never seen someone wreck their self in of like the audience like that ever.

Yeah. What do you mean? What do you mean by that? Like with what? What happened with the six nine? Like what happened with him? Like he was warned plenty of times. Everyone you have 15 examples of when you do it like this. This is exactly where it leads to.

And he paid attention to none of that. Like what Joe told him. This is exactly is exactly right no but I think that's I think it's different I think we've had tragedy in hip-hop before I think we've seen like like like like like super super fucked up shit that's happened in hip-hop but I think what's different about him is that we live in this time where everything is recorded everything is documented. Yeah, it's like he filmed himself into the thing and that's the dangerous part it's like Everything is supposed to be you know displayed to the public

Especially if you live in in that world and I think that we live in an age now where all of that is out the window I mean you see somebody struggling. We know anything the new footage the new footage TMZ TMZ TMZ is the worst Way, I like Harvey a little bit But the shit that he just put out listen they had some balance of six nine filming his friend filming because somebody Robbing on the shit. And then they had someone

filming him. Who do you get to do that? And who gave him that footage? And how does the FBI not say, oh, I'm going to use this in our investigation? Why is it no one saying TMZ is this bitch? No one says

that. No one says TMZ is the actual rat. They're the one allegating, they're grabbing these footage, they're throwing these people out there. And no one blames TMZ for nothing. Because why? They're civilians. I don't think you're a civilian if you're digging into gang shit. You should be accounted.

Just like a gang. You gotta pay some tax, TMZ. Harvey? Oh, man. I don't know. I went too far. No, but I'm saying

this is, keep it real. TMZ is the new feds. TMZ is the new feds. People would rather go to TMZ and get paid from TMZ had their name anonymous.

Like, you think they paid for for that footage you say oh I mean TMZ I'm assuming they paying you this is bad new sales with them do they have the footage of two people shooting at the back of a fucking and the cameras moving and the cameras move it's not a stationary camera The camera's a lot of people following the shit. I know what's going on I don't know about I think they just recording some wild shit and just so happen to beat him They're saying you ever thought that We'll we'll be our own paparazzi Cuz that's that's essentially what's happening right now.

That's what social media is. People not even being followed. You're sending out your own dumb footage to yourself. Yeah. I'm an idiot. I'm going to kill you. And then they put it out

and they're snitching. Huh? You sent this shit to Worldstar. Exactly right. Worldstar, you know. No, I think that we come from an age where, remember, it wasn't cool to do commercials.

It wasn't cool to be associated with a brand. It was crazy when Wu-Tang did the Mountain Dew shit. Yeah, you were selling out. You were selling out. No, no, no, no, no. But then Wu-Tang did St. I's commercial, and they left them back again. Yeah. Big did it.

Matt did it. Yeah. But you said Mountain Dew came first? No, no, no. I think the same. Okay, okay. Yeah, continue. But it was,

you know, it wasn't cool back then. But now, fast forward, you know, also everybody talks about us being a brand or wanting to be on

some screen time. They don't give a fuck what it is. You know what I'm saying? So, it's just wild to see how things change. I think there's a negative and a

positive that comes with that I think that we have the opportunity to cut out the middle man and we are able to create our own revenue streams but on the side the negative side I think that some of us aren't ready to be on camera yet because

it brings out the worst and the most ugliest sides of us that are sometimes portrayed and then it becomes more fuel to the fire to for the people that hate us but what is this like like like want to be instant famous shit everybody want to be famous for like like heckler on a super head. Oh, oh shit Because because it's super no, I'm just saying no no, I mean it's the famous. I don't have no beef Oh, I don't think I've ever met her to tell you the truth People think that's not me. That jay the kiss line super head super

head all right that's not my line that was not my line thanks for clearing that up y'all definitely needed to clear it up but um but what i'm saying is she became famous for you know a certain but people didn't know you know what i'm saying and then it's all these other people who but she said that before social media though yeah but that trickled down to it. That actually made... I mean, that's a part of it. That's what I'm saying. What I'm gonna say is like, my dog Heckler, he said a line, he's like, there's no more

fans of the music anymore. Because the fans themselves... Are stars. Now, because of social media, they themselves believe they are artists. Yeah, they want the views and clicks. Right, right. So why they gonna be your fan? No, no, no. Exactly. It's true. No, now they're your peer. Yeah, they're the views and clicks. Right, right. So why they gonna be your fan? No, no, no. Exactly. It's true. I'm a fan of yours.

No, now they're your peer. Yeah. They're your peer. Exactly. So everybody's a star. Exactly. Everybody's a star. You just happen to be a little further than I am.

I just haven't got enough follows yet. Yeah. I'm not there yet. Yeah. Like, everybody has their own goal. Like, your goal might be, you know what? We get 200 likes today, and I'm the man. You wake up, you get 200 likes, you're like, nigga, I did.

And you're going outside, you're getting your, you know what I mean, your little loaf of bread. You're like, yo, my dude, anybody got anything good? I got my 200. Yeah, and now that's your sense of accomplishment, and now that's why the music business is tanking me because no one wants to buy your record. Yeah, no, there's no more fans.

Why you buy your record? You can buy my own. You're like, damn, everybody wants to be the dealer. Right. Who is the clients? I don't know. Who are they selling to? It's not music.

It's just content now. Yeah, it's just streaming. That's why there's the trolling. There's all the crazy shit going on. Like, look, Charlie met, when we went to Philly, Charlie met some chick in the street, and she looked at how many followers he had to see if she wanted to talk to him to connect like yo this let's exchange whatever what's your IG well?

He wanted to the face the Facebook of the Instagram and she looked at his father wait a minute she had more followers in I don't fuck around with IG shit did you ask me how many followers I had? wait they asked how many followers you got? I was the first time I seen that but I could imagine it makes sense to me I'm like what? I'm out the game man I don't even know how I go man I feel sorry for the new generation man so um you know you're in that you have been disgusted by the hip-hop game the do hip-hop you know I

'm talking about the new hip-hop. Look ahead. We can be political about it. I wouldn't say disgusted, man. I just don't listen to it. You know what I'm saying? Like, at the point that I am, when I go digging and looking through hip-hop right now, you know, I find myself kind of like, I don't understand where they're going. I just want to be brought up to speed when they get there. You know what I'm saying?

I want to see the best come out of this. Because I love hip-hop. There's been dirt shit when we were first coming out, too. And so now it's kind of like there's so much of it. Of the dirt or of the hip-hop? Of hip hop of hip hop there's more people trying to be artists There's more like you said we just talking about bouncing off everybody being an artist now everybody with a laptop and a fucking phone Right now can put some content out. Yeah. Yeah, so I the shit that pops

Like I'll wait for that and then I look at it and I'll be like, I wonder why they like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, well, let me see. I try to find an upside in it. And when I can't find an upside, then I just put it down. You know, I listen to a lot of satellite radio. I listen to, I try not to stay like stagnant.

I want to be, you know, up to date and figure out what's going on, like Blueface and listen to that. And then I listen to, then I listen to like up to date and figure out what's going on, like Blueface and listen to that. Then I listen to G Perico. Then I listen to everything that's kind of like what everybody is looking at. I peek at it and see if they there yet. You know what I'm saying? But then I look at lyricists and I listen to Static.

You know what I'm saying? It's Graham Jones and Cassie see what they own and then I you know cuz the LA DJs you know no you know the big radio station James kind of play love this Graham on the static play that on say 45 they be in the Q Club on the white boy Yeah, let's do it out there. Yeah, because they tipped it to the audience. They made Kwame with the polka dots. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you.

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Let's bring Crooked Eye in here, man. Let's bring Crooked Eye in here. Crooked Eye! You need a cut? Slav, you need a cut? Oh, you, Lord. Yes, sir. Make some noise for Crooked Eye!

We got to find out. Because we call you Crooked Eye, and I know you changed it to King Crooked. King Crooked Eye, man. That's it. King Crooked? Does it matter? Does it matter to you? Don't matter, bro. Now let me ask you something. Now that I'm looking at you smoking a cigar,

when I see any guy from LA smoking a cigar, I always think of one thing. And I need to ask both you guys to cakes of the West Coast this should make the West Coast better I lay better or you know that if he works I mean it depend on how you look at it you know I'm saying like he definitely put on for this for the coast Right You know He was a well established West Coast label That's going down in history So if you feel like

That's something positive Yeah they started what they did Regardless Then that's positive You know what I'm saying Right He brought a lot of Bloods and crips together

You know what I mean Which is a good thing Correct You know He did a lot of good things too You know what I'm saying Like He would rebuild nurseries

That burned down Or you know Every year He had a Mother's Day feast in Beverly Hills where he'd go to the hood and pick up all the mothers, you know what I mean? And take them to Beverly Hills, buy them something nice to eat. And, you know, kids that haven't seen their fathers, you know what I mean, incarcerated, he would charter buses on Father's Day and send the kids out to go see their pops and all that like he did a lot of things man but uh as far as for hip-hop i just think i would i like to judge somebody by how they treat me and when i was on death row i was treated i was treated well you know i'm saying i was treated well so i ain't got nothing bad to say that's real that's real. That's real.

You ever thought the West Coast would be where it's at right now? We got Game out there. We got E-40. We got you two guys. Kendrick, man. Kendrick. Nipsey. Nipsey. You thought the West goes with maintain as

as you know I'm saying because what's closest is on planet is a man you know it's like it feels a good thing about y'all nothing go go platinum just in LA yeah I mean what no no it's not even about record sales it's about the status and the respect that people have for each other and and because you said it's gang culture i mean when you got legendary shit but it's still people that that recognize and and love rodney old and and joe cooley you know what i'm saying there's like once you hit that status like we have concerts in la where you you see rappers that maybe been on recently and then you got cats that can come back

from as far as 20 years ago and still have the same crowd response. I think Arabian Prince was on the show the other day. He said Arabian Prince. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like people respect that and you put on for the W and that's what it's about because the rest of the world

ain't really putting on for the W and that's what it's about because the rest of the world ain't really putting on for the W We got pockets of support But I mean when it wouldn't win and when everybody loved the West Coast everybody loved the West Coast But they didn't move it went to the south and when it goes back he moves around But on the West, I mean we always celebrate the West I respect that yeah now Do you think? Joe buttons would be where he was at? If what? Like, I mean, did you ever see this coming?

Because wasn't you and Joe, y'all got cool because y'all was sparring lyrically, like, a little bit? I mean, me and Joe, we wasn't sparring. Him and Royce was sparring lyrically. All right, that's why I got you. Didn't Royce tell us that? You know what I'm saying? Him and Royce was sparring back Was sparring You know what I'm saying Him and Royce Was sparring back and forth You know what I'm saying Joe hit this kid Nino Bless

And asked him If I could turn the record Around for him In like 24 hours So you know Nino was like Yeah you know So he sent me the record

I got on the record The record was called Slaughterhouse And that's the how You know Slaughterhouse started You know Produced by My man back here house and that's the house you know slaughterhouse started you know produced

by my man back here you know it's partly your fault too miss slaughterhouse That's a big thing. Make some noise for Scrappy Joe. That's real. But yeah, yeah. Did I know that he would be where he is as far as media, Joe? Yeah. In this area. I'll teach you all fitness.

Let me tell you the way I'm going with it. I seen you do a blog where, I don't know if it's called a blog or whatever. I didn't see you address it. But you didn't agree with his opinion of Eminem. Right. And I felt you because sometimes, even if that's how you feel, shut the fuck up.

Like, I'm not saying, you know, but I am saying that. Like, if you're my brother and you're my brother, sometimes my opinion of you, even if it's bad, that shit be between me and you. Yeah, go direct to the source. Is that real? Yeah, you're accurate.

I mean, I just felt like his approach was wrong. Like, you know, if you don't like something, yo, it's not for me. I don't like it. You know what I mean? Cool. That's the homie. You know, this ain't for me. Right.

But when you say something is trash, you shit on Paul Rosenberg's rollout you do you know you taking it a little further and then I know the backstory I know that there were some issues that you felt against the label you're not giving a fair critique now because now you got malice behind what you said it's personal and then my whole thing was like listen man just keep it a buck you know i mean and it eventually it came out where he's like i felt like i was better than him for 10 years this this and that and they took me off this record eventually can we address that i mean we can address anything i'm on the champs, baby. I like a lot. I like Joe Barton. I like him as a person.

I like him as an artist. But I'm not sure of that statement. I mean, which stated him for the past two years. He said that. He did say that. I mean, every MC is supposed to feel like they're the best. One million percent. So I give you that much space.

One million percent. You know what they the best. One million percent. Right. So I give you that much space. One million percent. You know what I'm saying? One million percent. But now that you said that, I think you got to back it up with more than just a statement. Correct. Because M came at you. Where you at, Joe? Matching with the music.

You said you was better than him for the past 10 years. He gave you a few bars. And you can't say the retirement is just all bets are off. Yeah, you got to back it up now. You just said this. So, you know, if you don't back it up, I don't think that you even believe that. You know what I'm saying?

This is very interesting. Is it Rory here somewhere? Where is Rory? Where is Rory? I saw Rory. This is what we need to call him back. He was Joe Button's guy. He was here.

Hold on. Let me just say, I paid me an Uber. This is the one we didn't hear. He called him back. He was Joe Button's guy. He was here. Hold on. Wait, let me just tell you. I paid me an Uber. Come back here. I think it's interesting because, you know, one thing I know is that you guys got respect for each other. I think that, I think what you said was accurate. It was like, yo, listen, I don't have to like everything my man does.

At all. I don't. Right't have to like everything my man does at all I don't right, but it's a way of my approach Yeah, broach yeah, yeah like now and then keep in mind like I'm Sam signed a drink champs records, right? We'll incorporate the record label tomorrow Immediately I got some hot shit But I'm signing to you guys I do everything that I'm supposed to do And you guys do everything you're supposed to do contractually Right And things don't work out

Say things don't work out But outside of the contract I get jammed up on some real life shit, right? Right You guys come to my aid like that, in a major way. I will never forget that.

I feel like Joe forgot that when he was saying what he was saying. You feel me? I don't forget solid shit. That's just not how I'm cutting. I even remember, you probably don't remember, when I was yelling on Death Row, I came out. Me and Suge came up to even remember you probably don't remember when I was young on death row I came out Me and sure came up to a session you was at

all the sound soundtrack studios to the first week and And you was making sure we was good you see what i'm saying on that good level i never remember solid shit you feel i never forget solid shit you know what i mean so i would think that as long as em and paul didn't cross him in no certain kind of way i would think he would have enough respect to just be like yo you know what i ain't gonna step on the gas on this one like that you know what I mean I don't like it I'm just gonna say that I don't like it but you know it is what it is fair like you know you can't you just can't like every game that's played you know I'm saying so but then it's a difference you know I get what you were saying. And although I don't think it hurt him in any way, shape, form, or fashion,

but voicing your opinion sometimes, it can be hurtful. It can be, especially if it comes from a family member. You know what I'm saying? Especially, I don't know how you guys had family struck. I don't know if that was the case, but if that was the case. It definitely affected Smart House. Yeah. You know?

Yeah, of course. It definitely did, because me and Royce was behind the scenes working trying to get down out to the people And you know that was like a grenade. He took the pin on and tossed that bitch I'm trying to do some double check I'm not but no that was that was real because

so in your opinion right because I heard he said he felt like that they

like M wasn't pushing Slaughterhouse right like it was something that was missing missing meaning m had just sold these millionaires as a union units you come into you guys project you guys project don't work and he's kind of i don't want to say he blamed or but he kind of alluded that ems fans didn't right well him. Right. Well, I mean, you know, it's like you guys were talking earlier about the shift in the culture and the way that technology plays a part now in social media. I believe we came in at a time on Shady where M didn't have to do so much shit. He was used to having one formula to make things rock. But that formula was changing

with the times. So what Em did, he said, okay, that first round, that's on me. Y'all go back in and make another album. And I'm going to just let y'all rock. Do whatever y'all want to do. Handle it the way y'all want to handle it. Roll it out how you want to roll it out. Just do you. We all agreed and went back into the lab. That's my problem with, if you agreed to go back and record another album and give it another shot,

why are we still talking about that other album? And this is the second one or this is the third? This is the second album on Shady. First album was E1, Slaughterhouse self-titled. Second album, Welcome to Our House on Shady Records. Third album, Glasshouse. Right. That's the one that never came out. Before Shady, you guys had

proved that an indie route could be successful. Right. Correct. Correct. I moved to New York for like a month and a half and we did the whole Glasshouse out there just us, how we wanted to do it. they gave us the ball

and then you know what I'm saying the team broke up I thought it was like someone else I ain't gonna lie I'm a little what is it called

befuddled person I was befuddled because I thought it was like way deeper than that so you're telling me it's like way deeper than that. So you're telling me it's like, the way you just simply just said that.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I mean, there's some things with Slaughterhouse, you know, that we need to talk about. I mean, obviously it's for Eagles. Yeah, when you have that many people, you're going to have something.

I'm not going to hold my breath, though. Lyrical bars. And it was a brotherhood what'd you say well i mean you know i thought it was right i thought it was and then at times i said you know what i don't think it was but if one person isn't brotherly does it make all four brotherly or no no no no you know it's just i'm just cut different like you, I got three slaughterhouse tattoos. You feel me? Like, when it was going down, if anybody was in trouble, I was there with them. You know what I mean?

I'm just, it was just a different scenario. It's not to bring up spilled milk. Yeah, yeah, it's just a different. I just remember how serious it was when an incident happened in L.A. With, you know, two individuals. How personal you took it. it was when an incident happened in LA with two individuals, how personal you took it. People would say, man,

Crooked out here wilding because of, I believe, someone's hands got laid on in LA. That was personal for you. That wasn't bidding. That was very personal because I feel like if you on my coast You should feel comfortable to move around and I would hope that that's the same way if I'm in your city

Well, you know what I mean? So I took even those two city niggas even though because all parties I know So it's like why would you do that? Because I felt like it was a spit in my face. How awkward is that? Let's just say it for, because we was talking in cold. Right. Joe Buds and Raekwon, they got into some shit in L.A. It was on your grounds.

Joe kind of, he kind of live streamed the whole kind of thing. Right. Which was, he kind of brought trolin because I believe I don't know what happened and then yeah this is that no that's not right yes mark the bill yeah behind the election yeah like saying I'm gonna say yeah my girls got wind by the girls I hit no no I'm gonna raise rock the bells, gotta win by the bells out here with Ray. No, no, no, rock the bells, yeah. I mean, I'm good. And Ray is your man, Ray, Ray is your man too. Yeah, man, I love Ray.

He was like, you know, I said, Ray, dog, you know, why? You know, why on my coast? So, you know, we came up there with a football team because the way Joe sounded on the phone, I said, I better bring the whole city. You know what I'm saying? Right. And, um,

believe it or not, some of my people fell out with me over that Cause they wanted to ride Well they wanted to ride But They fell out with me because They feel like Joe didn't respect them And they was ready to go

100% for Joe So So they felt like he didn't respect that At all You know what I mean? And I fell out with some of my people That I came out the sandbox with behind that You know what I'm saying?

So it was an ordeal But, you know, luckily I'm the type of dude that's going to go to the OGs The triple OGs And say, yo, man Should I go there like it's your call? I'm like, yo, man You know, I got love for My man Ray

You know what I'm saying? I got love for People, different people in the Wu-Tang You know what I'm saying? So I was able to go talk to The OGs And they was like, look, man

You might just want to Lay low on this one You know what I mean? Because look how your man Is acting towards us You know what I'm saying? So It was just a bunch of crap But, I mean mean I'm good with Ray you know Sam go Wu

Tang I speak to often RZA's mom is my guy guy you know what I'm saying so I'm just happy that it all turned to something positive you know I mean because I don't like that low vibration shit and maybe I like the way I feel when I feel like we about to have to do something. You know what I mean? Right, God damn. It's just because,

you know, everybody in Slaughterhouse when I look at it, I feel like you took it most personal. Hit me out. Meaning, I felt like, you know, know industry we don't believe in

industry after a while like after a while I was just like man this is just what it is I feel like you was like somebody like yo this is a brotherhood I'm gonna honor that right let us say that they didn't honor it or anybody didn't honor it but I just feel like like me from the outside looking in I don't have no inside information right right you know I'm just looking as a fan I could be a fan too and I'm looking like I knew those for those certain situations you took personal right? I do certain situations you Wanted to honor it. Yeah, you know I'm saying and um, oh no, I don't think it's over

You don't think what some Chris? Is a wrap on that really? Yeah. Oh, well then. Oh, damn. Listen, listen, listen. I calculated that wrong. In the first 30 minutes. But talking about Cruz, being that we are drink champs, we got to acknowledge

the whole alcoholics crew. Yes, King T, the Alcoholics. I'm such a fan of that movement from back then. They birthed us. I mean, they birthed those Alcoholics. But what's up with the crew as a crew? Oh, man. As far as King T, King T is the person that I have the most like he's

such a legend he lives right around the corner he lives right down the street from me so you know I really you know feel good about you know my relationship with him I know you know J-Ro, Tash, J-Ro's back in LA he moved to Sweden for a while yeah I know he was doing like a hiphop school yeah and then I had to ask hit me on the text you the cash in East with foreign Vegas yeah but I mean we when we see each other it's all love you know oh how did the crew get created though KT created it I'm saying was it like collectively like all y'all this is what it is? This is alcoholics, and this is the crew of the Lytics? No, King T, actually, J-Roll, E-Swift, and Tash were a group called ESP before they were the alcoholics, right?

Tash and E-Swift are from Ohio. Yeah. And so when they came through, and J-Roll from Pomona So they they all got together and King T was like yo y'all need to change ES ESP which was like something street poets. Okay, okay, okay. All right, so that was it. So they just like, no, King T was like. You was there during all that? No, no.

You know, it's written in the Hieroglyphics. No, but King T created, he's like, yo, you guys need to call yourselves the alcoholics. Alcoholics got signed to Loud. And then I think after that, I was third yeah I came on second you know for the after the alcoholics and then the far right came after me and it's such an extension of the crew too like yeah people and whatever like yeah so many people absolutely it was it was it was a it was a family we all was used to run together yeah that was that was the first Wu Tang of the West Coast Can the West Coast have another rain like you said before but I mean you guys have errors TDE killing it right now. I'm not, I'm not, I'm saying a new one. Like a brand new one.

Like you trying to talk about like the, like the, like what we call like the golden days. Yeah, can there be another golden day for the rest of us? Like when Death Row and motherfucking and then Aftermath and all these to us, to a certain generation, it is going through a golden age. I already got to the end. I'm saying that. We already got that. So you're saying that's one brand new.

That's another one. Brand new. We've got 2020. It's just going to look different. It's just going to look different. It's going to look different. And we saw that one, so it's not going to feel the same.

But it's going to look different, but it can happen for sure. Because, like, we didn't want the guy with the rainbow hair. But I did. But he did bring a couple of trophies home. And we did claim the trophies. We needed it. Mind you, Tito broke our trophy. He broke a trophy. She's like, yeah, there you go. We needed it. We needed it. Mind you, Tito broke our trophy. He broke our trophy.

But I think, do you think the face of music is going to continue to change like that? Yeah, dog. I think our value system of what we used to make, you know, our judgments on hip-hop has changed. We're the OGs. Yeah, we- We're not ours. Yeah. No, you're right. Our judgment won't change, but their judgment ours. Yeah, look aren't you right our judgment will change but their judgment will yes

consumers and Our general and the goalpost has been moved So, you know, we used to be able to judge people's success by plaques We used to be able to judge people's success by you know awards Now it's kind of like like the plaques aren't people used to keep people get excited for 200,000 records sold and 300,000 so now you all know they're doing it 64

numbers like the numbers that used to be put up on the fighting a lot we got a lot more money. I ain't gonna lie, I think they know this is funny. I ain't gonna lie. How are you excited over 60,000 records sold? I mean, it's like, so we had to reevaluate what is valuable with this whole shit. That's real. You know what I'm saying? That's real.

So we can't look at it the way we used to look at it. So that's why people are able to become like, I'm sorry, superstars overnight through this streaming shit and through these other things. But then you got to look at the longevity of it. You know what I'm saying? Like these guys, they turn on

and then they out of here in the next year. So there's a price to pay for that instant fame. But the one thing that I do give the new generation that is so fucking awesome is they can go direct to consumer. Absolutely. That's the one. But so can we. Not just the new generation. But so can we.

All of us. Yeah. Yeah. So good for us. What are they? Because a lot of them are claiming to be going direct to consumer. And then you pull a curtain back. And they got major labels.

Major labels. Like they in these. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's been going on for a minute or so. I'm back distribution a guy Like they yeah exactly yeah Like that because it makes these young kids rapping that don't have a Label deal or don't have anything it makes them feel like well if he could do it like that I could do it like that and I'm steady trying to tell you he's not doing it right There's always a wizard of Oz behind the curtain false price. You false prophet. You know what I'm saying? You're giving a false hope. And I'm not going to lie. It's making the music shit, too.

Because anybody can make it. Like, anybody can literally, like, you know, I seen a tweet the other day. I think I posted it. And I see the tweet, and they said, you know, back in the days, we would want to, you know, make a record like Rakim. And we could never make it. Oh, that's supposed to be Will.i.am. Will.i.am is another part of this.

And he said, well, you can't never make it. He said, the thing is, nowadays, these kids can listen to a record and say, you know what? I can make that. Yeah, I can do that. And really make that record. Like, we can do Jen and Juice over. We can't do that. And, like, make that shit a classic. You can do gin and juice over. We can't do that Kind of like make that shit a classic you do please right now

Like and make it the same shit like what right now you can actually do whatever Whatever these kids is doing you can actually do I got a Xanax, it's a bargain. Big pharmacy. Big pharmacy. Give me some lube, sir. Oh, that's it. Oh, you heard what he said. Yo, I will give him one thing.

At least they're peaceful about the shit because Used to be for you can't just jack somebody style of them. Yeah bite somebody You know now they can all sound like each other and do the function No problem, we came no problem. You know what I'm saying? When we came out, we was hands on hip hop. What? We was so hands on. Oh, it's like teeth, part of the lip. A lot of cases. A lot of cases.

Hands on hip hop. We was so hands on, man. Now, I forgot. What was your relationship with Benzino? That's your man, right? Benzino? Me and Benzino, I think he said something about Slaughterhouse. Uh-huh. And it was

at a time where I didn't understand that when you go into another level, people are going to say shit. You feel me? I thought that I still had to react to every fucking thing that everybody said. You know, now I understand I don't have to react to shit. But he

said something negative about Slaughterhouse. And I was just in that mode. Like, yo, nah, man. You know what I mean? And But he said something negative about Snarter House. And I was just in that mode. Like, yo, nah, man. You know what I mean? And then him and Royce had a little back and forth. Yeah, that was funny. And it was crazy because, you know, I used to fuck with Ben Zeno. You know what I'm saying?

I think he came with a complex. He beat you up. And Dave Mays. You know what I'm saying? And I respect what they put down with the source. And, you know, that's the original Bible in hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? And I respect what they put down with the source and you know, that's the that's the original Bible Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I just I I just hated that I probably handled that a little wrong, you know what I'm saying to be honest with you

Him picking you up and coming on here I'm actually bigging you up. Let's say the exact opposite of what's happening at the time They don't I cook it's my man. man just you don't know what's going on I was like oh yeah yeah yeah man I mean you know Zeno cool man I just like I said I was just in that space dog you know sometimes you in there you lawyer when you're lawyer you're not supposed to see it when you ride up for the team supposed to ride my face and did everything else later he he's supposed to say what up You know, you know generally cares about the culture whether you agree with some of these views or not. Yes

But he is 1 million percent for the culture. Yeah, yeah. He is one million percent. And, you know, sometimes, you know, your heart can be in the right place. Right, right. Yeah, I think he probably did whatever he said. See, it's so crazy, I don't even fucking remember what it was about. But I think it had something to do with us being attached to Eminem and him. Of course, it's obvious. It is history.

You know what I mean? So, and plus, I wasn't even around then, you know what I mean? So, and plus I wasn't even around then, you know what I mean? But, you know, silly shit like that. Yeah, man, hip hop, I'm actually, I actually love that we can grow. I actually love that, you know, people get, like I love Drake and Meek Mill's situation right now.

Like, and I love that Drake even made fun of it, like a poster of me It was like, yo, if I hurt you, you see that shit? Like him and me, they squashing. And I think that's what makes hip-hop dope. It's like, yo,

we can be, but as long as no one got their hands put on, no one gonna hurt, then we can also make amends and then make money and help 16,000 other people make more money. I feel like that's what the East Coast, West Coast is. That was a big misunderstanding. And now look at it. You can't go to the East Coast without seeing a West Coast dude on the East Coast. I can't go to the West Coast without seeing an East Coast dude.

And it's just, but we wouldn't have been there if it wasn't for some type of like, not to say we respected the smoke, but the fact that that happened. And what it is today. And what it is today it was anyone it is today like to this day I got there everybody when I'm gonna own in LA most of people I see is from New York yeah and then when I'm in New York everybody's like man you know they we both got the opposite goal it's always funny when I was not give a iced tea because I'm like what's up over the room like you know up, I live over here.

He's like, damn, you know, I want to live with you, just laugh. We're the exact opposite. And I just love New York, man. You're killing it, man. But doing movies, you've got to be in L.A., correct? No, a lot of movies, you know, believe it or not, get booked in L.? No, a lot of movies you know, believe it or not, get booked in LA, but a lot of movies are filmed

in other places, like yeah, Vancouver you know, yeah, Atlanta film can happen anywhere you know, but the business is in LA you know, and the people that really are pushing buttons that the studios are there

You know so if you're gonna come there as an executive as as an actor you will at some point Come to LA Like a lot you have the best weed in the world. I remember I was a young... Let me think of it. I don't know if you remember this, but I got another story for you. Yeah. I was on the West Coast one night.

I just left out of some club, and I stood outside smoking, and you was outside, and you held me down. You don't remember this? I was outside smoking, and you was looking like... He was like,

is this Norrie Yager just by himself? Yeah, exactly. I remember that. Just, I was outside smoking and he was looking like, he was like, is this Noriega just by himself? Yeah, exactly. I remember that. Just like, yo, I had already got soaked in. And yeah, man. Because it was scary for us at first, you know what I'm saying? Because of the Biggie dig. Like, you know, that shit, that's some scary shit.

Like, you know, for us, because we scary shit like you know for us because we didn't we were too young to understand what was going on we're too young to understand that a diss record can lead to to us come on tell me you ain't back all right yeah he calling me yo yo rory come in here we want to put you on the podcast where you at you sound drunk all All right, all right, come in, come inside, come inside, come inside. I said you sound drunk, I didn't even hear that. I'm telling you, I'm not all that alive. But, um, so it was, it was, I remember, I remember after Big died, um, I don't care what the record label we was on,

they, we would land and they would make sure we had security. And I was like a non-security dude. And it was just like, it was something we couldn't fight and we were like literally like shook of that and I remember none of us hung out like none of us came out. It was one of those days and I came out and I said it. I remember I even actually said it I was like man you know New York dudes don't hang out. He's like don't finish that. Don't finish the sentence. I don't even remember. remember, but he was like, chill. Because I was like, all right.

It was like literally like taboo at the time. Because that was real. Like, we hadn't seen death in hip hop. Like, we seen death in hip hop, but we didn't see purpose death in hip hop. We seen, like, you know, cancer and diabetes and shit like that. So, you know, it was real. So where we at now in hip hop? It's a beautiful place. And that's the exact same thing i'm talking about when i came to new york because that was one of my first trips to new york you know i mean and i didn't know what to expect i'm on

death row records you know i'm going to the east coast shit i might be lunch you feel me so you know when you did what you did You feel me That's what made me say You know what This a solid dude man You know what I mean I'll never forget this moment Right You know what I mean

And I like how you say Giving the people their flowers And all that Yeah please Like even X X is a 100 dude Period You can't find people

In the industry That's 100 like that You know what I mean So when you do You gotta give them Their flowers while they're here You gotta say it On public platforms

People act like it's illegal To tell the truth sometimes, you know, I'm saying but this dude right here 100 Thank you to show love. Yeah the show love like One of the craziest things is That's the same no homo right We get I get it but a lot of the times if I say you cook it man you know that first you got one there I might just say you don't know home why cuz the verse was hard to the show love he's so alive and the thing is it puts a taboo on our culture when that's that should be the exact opposite that's really like you know I culture when that's that should be the exact opposite that

should be like you know we shouldn't even say it we should be like yo man you killed that to give people a compliment mainstream like yeah show them yeah yeah show them love and we gotta we gotta we gotta change that in our culture we have to let's change it we have to we have to like this is why i drink champs is it. So many people, we received, I'm going to keep it real, I don't want to front. We received so much slack.

We put on OT Genesis and we put on Young Dawg recently, right? People that's probably not considered legends. Right. But we went together on the benefit of the doubt. They knew, brothers, they coming up, they doing it. And we built our, this ship so bad that the fans did not give a fuck. The fans did not give a fuck.

Our original, our original, the poor fans. The poor fans. Right. Oh, what? Uh-huh. Come on, word, word in your head. Come on. Yeah, yeah, please, please, we want to get a man.

Come on, we don't got to break the series of men. Where we at? Come on, give him a chance. Give him a chance. We're going to take a shot., we want to get a win. Come on, we don't got to break the series, we win. Where we at? Come on, give him a chance. Give him a chance. Take a shot of Tiger Blossom.

Mr. Lee, give him a shot of Tiger Blossom real quick. Oh, you gave him a Dominican jacket too? Mr. Lee, put him right there. Give him a chance. Give him a chance. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it.

You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna do it. You're the one who's gonna dousa. That's the founder that started that mother fucker's crib right there. Oh.

You know who I am? I know, you know. Yeah. You know that he's on the Joe Buttes podcast. Oh really? You didn't know him? This is Rory. Yeah, man.

He said, oh really? Nah, nah, that's him. Yeah, yeah. I'm familiar. Yeah, familiar, familiar. Um, there's never gonna be a slaughterhouse again? What do you think? This is an ambush.

I didn't know Crook was on it. I didn't know either. I don't think this is on record. This is an ambush. This is a total ambush. No, it's not an ambush. I saw Crook outside. Crook is love all day.

Yeah, right, yeah, right. This is an ambush. I just wanted to make that clear. No! This is a total ambush. No, it's not. I came because I love you I love Joe. My loyalty is always with Joe. Why would I have an opinion on Slaughterhouse? That's nothing to do with me at all. I got an opinion on Slaughterhouse.

Even though I smoke a lot. I got an opinion on Slaughterhouse. I think I want to do it. I want to do it. You know, if Drake and Meek Mill- Wait, where you going with this? Can move on, I think eventually Slaughterhouse can move on. Because I think it's too important to hip hop.

I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip hop. I think it's too important to hip on, I think eventually Slaughterhouse can move on.

Because I think it's too important to hip-hop to let that go. Me, personally. I don't know where everything lies from wherever. Because I don't know everything because I'm also an artist. I don't know if you had an agenda here with the Slaughterhouse family. No, I don't. I'm not going to say a word. We could talk hip-hop, but I don't

That's like saying like if I was to actually about Wu Tang right if I was to say yo Wu Tang you would say fuck Yeah, but Method Man is not one of my best friends so I can comment objectively great fucking great Wu Tang I can't objectively talk about Slaughterhouse cause one of the members is one of like that's family to me I respect that so I can't and that's they business it's not my business it's not my MOP I'm just fucking with you, bro.

Bro, you from Queens, you're not set up. Can we get a shout out to Tiger Ball? Get a shout out to Tiger Ball. Get a shout out to Hennessy. Get a shout out to Hennessy. Can we get a round of applause for your project this year? I don't know what project we're talking about. Oh, thank you.

Thank you, bro. We're talking about my favorite part of that intro, man. What's the bar? I'm about to get rich. Of a pure personality? Again. Thank you, man.

I appreciate it. You're already showing up for everybody but yourself. That's right. That's good, because I stay ahead like that. Pick up everybody else, and then no one can pay attention to what you're doing. But Rory, I pay attention to what you saw I do have a little beef with you. Oh, here we go again

Last time I came here when I was on here. Well It was cool. It was like really this is like some real professional. You got the whole we was in a different I was here this she was like so do you kick back so you see your man show your man dick I hear maker Oh, no, they do the plan At least we don't do here make them a stylist you may have debatable No, we don't got no hair make up. I didn't see it, but I wouldn't be Do a hair makeup He is different. He is a barber. And we still got people with gats in their back. We are a different show, but let me just say something right here. Let me big up to State of the Culture.

Let me big up to Joe Buzz. Watch out for what you do. Let me big up to the Joe Buzz Podcast and everything y'all do. We are fans and it's love. And it's a community. And the thing about it is if y'all succeed, we all succeed.

Same with y'all. Kind of a new uncharted territory type shit. Like, the more with our Spotify deal, like, that just gave people more worth.

Like, when they saw what we was worth for that Spotify deal, that means the next podcast that comes up and has the same numbers as us, I know what more worth. Like, when they saw what we was worth for that Spotify deal, that means the next podcast that comes up and has the same numbers as us, I know what we worth

because I know what they got. Right. So, when y'all do the Revolt shit, like, Rap Radar, all that shit, anytime we do this shit, like, I know people try to...

We're all, we're all lifting each other. Yeah. I know we do the funny shit, like, we should all fake beats because that shit's, you know,

our nature. Yeah, but the aim, it's not with me. The thing about it is this, this whole fake beef? Because that shit's, you know, on nature. Yeah, but the aim is not with me. The thing about it is this. This is what I believe in. I believe hip-hop should control hip-hop. Now, what I mean by that is I love Hennessy, right? I love, I'm lying.

I don't really love Hennessy. But, like, I love Moet. I love Moet, right? But if I had a choice, I would like to own my own version of Moet, right? And I would like that to be on the table. To me, in a perfect world, is if I'm going to get socks, them socks is owned by somebody that is owned by somebody that owns something in hip-hop. Right.

If I'm going to get news, I want, like I said, I say it all the time, I want Jim Jones to be my weatherman. Right. Like, when I get the weather, I want it to be a nigga like Jim Jones rolling the backwoods saying, yo shit is real in Brooklyn today. Bundo the fuck up. I would rather that. If I'm going to go see sports, I would like to see Jadakiss be the person that's telling me, yo listen, the niggas, the Lakers, they on't run a shit.

I would like it to come all from hip-hop. That's my dream. My dream is I never have to go outside my culture. And now, with that being said, our culture can't be racial. It can't be blacks and Latinos. It has to be everybody. Anybody that love hip-hop, that's our new race, is hip hop. We're literally all bonded, we all congested together because we're all repping that one flag and that's hip hop.

And I think that's what's gonna save humanity. I'm sorry, I got way too deep, right? No, no, no. This is not really Drink Jazz, I'm sorry, but. Not really, isn't it? And we gotta shout out David Banner, who's here, he's been with us before. I'm sorry, I got way too deep, right? This is not really Drink Champs. I'm sorry, but... We got to shout out David Banner, who's here. He's been wearing our gear before,

and he talked about that everything he was wearing except his pants, he owned it. He owned it. I mean, well, hip-hop came through and changed the economy in the hood. You see what I mean? It saved a lot of lives, and it changed the entire economy.

You got to do rapping. You got a manager. You got a producer. You got a promoter. It saved a lot of lives and it changed the entire economy. You got to do rapping. You got a manager. You got a producer. You got a promoter. You got a graph artist. You got a hip-hop exec. You got people getting checks. All because of the culture.

Right. And if it could do something as powerful as that, it could do exactly what you wanted to do, Nori. But when the culture started changing, the economy of the industry, that's when the culture started changing. Did the culture change or did mainstream rap just come into play because just do I just I seen people down the street oh absolutely absolutely with the cans on the walls you know I'm saying I go to Italy I see people out there you know they reppin because it wasn't you like before I'm like president of Defo at one point yeah he wanted to give me an exact job you know I'm saying I'm not gonna have a game that's bit over that and he may care And, you know, Suge is like this.

I'm going to go meet with Lior, and I want you to learn the game and get your business IQ up. So I'm going to take you with me. So you could just soak up game. You know what I mean? And that's how Suge was. And he wanted to do, like, retirement funds for artists. He wanted to do health, you know what I mean, insurance for artists he was all health you know I mean insurance for artists but every time he tried to do something on that level he got

resistance from the powers that be and sometimes that resistance comes in the form of the feds knocking at your door Jesus Louise poverty said I mean so he had that mindset though absolutely yeah damn I say well big mindset. Well, big him up. God bless. I want to thank you, Exhibit. I want to thank you for coming out, showing the love, because honestly, this is what makes us who we are. We got to keep saluting and supporting each other. I want to thank motherfucking Crooked Eye.

Yeah, man. I brought y'all some sticks, too. Oh, that's what that says? Cigars? Yeah. Oh, Dean, I'm into that. I no I'm in Romeo 1875 is like my favorite man okay so that's like Romeo and Juliet I also want to thank you too, Warrior. I also don't want you to think this is a setup at all. No, I get it. I just make it.

It was just the first time I came on the show. I don't care about that. I got to keep this. I got to keep this. That's personal matter. We know what it is. We know it. It wasn't an example.

You know, that was a great connection right here. Like, I actually brought you up. Like, I was like, he's here like he knows I mean people want people want to know that's how strong the house brand was Basically, I got no inside permission at all But as a hip hopper as a person that knows that four different lyricists got together and did some crazy shit. And I don't know why it's gone. I know that the M shit played a big

part of it. Right. That's all I know. You know what I'm saying? M is my man. And let me just ask you, Rory, again, it's not a setup. That's how you know it's a setup. Yo, no

disrespect, but here comes some disrespect. But do you think Joe went kind of too far when he was critiquing Em's album? I think a lot of things that Joe said were made up. If you go back and look what he said on Everyday Struggle, I think it got blown out of proportion. I think a lot of shit went to the headline thing and just knowing Joe personally and how much he loves and and respects him she got proportioned or if you go back and look what he said on everyday struggle I challenge anyone that takes a while he used the word trash and I think that was

what was the you remember the context Exactly of what was trash Untouchable I guess He says trash Throw it in the rice Or some shit You know what Joe be saying Yeah okay

But I mean That's going too far So that wasn't on the Joe Barton podcast No no The thing that everyone Was talking about Was from every show

Oh okay Yeah it wasn't from my podcast But did he clarify it On your podcast Yeah Yeah we significantly went through it. And, you know, I'm always, as one of his close friends, the first person to say when he bugging. And I don't think he was bugging.

He stayed quiet for a long time. I think he was. Honestly, I don't want to miss the platform with you because what y'all and Joe have, it's got nothing to do with me. And I don't want to be here to talk about it. I'm here because I love nori to death bro my whole thing is is that like i was saying dog if you got a little issue with somebody pass on the critique of the album and they singles because how can you be fair how can you come from a place that,

you know what I mean, you just listening to it, you setting your personal feelings to the side? I don't think so. You know what I mean? And I just think that with everything that, see me and Royce, we very hands on Slaughterhouse.

From the beginning to the end, me and Royce to 5'9". And all fairness, I'm sorry to cut you off so extremely and I want you to finish your point. But, so we're talking about Revival, right? Yeah, we're talking about Revival. But then Kamikaze actually came out after that, which was the, am I correct? Yeah, Kamikaze came out right after.

So do you think Em felt that like a little bit? Like, like not, that's from Joe in particular, but I'm just saying just, do you think that he felt that from the fans so that's why he went and made Kamikaze?

I think he was inspired. I think he was inspired by his critics. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I think he was inspired by his critics. I think that's fair.

And he just went in and got, and that's him. He's going to speak his mind. I mean, he's done it his whole career. You know what I mean? So, he was just inspired. He went in and got, and that's him. He's going to speak his mind. I mean, he's done it his whole career. You know what I mean? So he was just inspired.

He went in and he made some shit. And, you know, like I said, dog, it just, like I said, me, Royce, we just really, we went in the trenches for Slaughterhouse. You get me? So when you go in the trenches like that, And if you got a communication line with your brothers Then you talk to your brothers like Yo, this is what I'm about to do Is this gonna harm anything that you guys are doing To try to get Glasshouse out right now?

Cause I don't like my time to be wasted If I'm flying from Cali to New York Sitting in them offices fighting for this glasshouse shit on my own time Let me know if you don't throw a grenade at that bitch You know I'm saying just let me know and I won't get on that plane. You feel me Let's wrap it up. Yeah! That's it! It got awkward. It got awkward. It got awkward.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.

This kind of starts that a little bit, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast

season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your gut microbiome and those healthy bacteria can actually have positive effects. Your mental health, your immunity, your risk of cancer, almost any disease

under the sun. This week on Dope Labs, TT and I dive into the world of probiotics, the hype, the science, and what your gut bacteria are really doing behind the scenes. From drinks and gummies to probiotic pillows. Yes, really, probiotic pillows. We're breaking down what's legit

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