Drink Champs - Episode 162 w/ DeLa Soul

Episode Date: March 29, 2019

N.O.R.E & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On this episode the Champs sit down with the Legendary and controversial group DeLa Soul. They talk about their legal issues with Tommy Boy records, early beginnings with the Native Tongues crew and much more.Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Turn to Spanish for a second You felt that? I like it And this is Drink Champs, motherfucker Podcast makes some noise! Now, when me and EF we started this podcast. This is the exact reason why we started. Because we want to salute our legends. We want to give the legends, the flowers, why they can smell them.

Why they are alive. These brothers that stand in front of us, in a lot of ways, if it kind of wasn't for them, it probably wouldn't be a Nore component noriego or drink chance a lot of they paved the way yeah absolutely the label that fucked me they were on first they were doing it these guys are legends these guys stood here to the test of time they still making music that are dope they work on the album right now about premier and Pete Rocks. These brothers are which,

when you look up the word legend, when you look up the word classic, legendary, their pitches is right there. And I am here to respect their legacy. And if you don't know who the fuck we talking about, we talking about motherfucking De La Soul,

make some noise! Now, usually on Drink Champs we started off with the beginning of people's careers, but there's a big Elephant in the room that I feel like I don't want to go around it. It's like a movie I want to put the elephant in the headlock in the beginning In the beginning. Can we pop that bottle, Mr. Lee, please? Let's put this headlock. Because what people don't know is information hit the internet that said that a certain

label, which is Tommy Boy Records, which I was signed to at one point as well. And I've made how I stand. I said, fuck Tommy Boy. Them niggas just suck. It was very elegant. It was a very elegant statement for what it's worth. Very articulate. Very articulate.

I thought so myself. But when I heard of the fact that they wanted to take your catalog and redistribute it at a rate of 10% and that 10% would be split between the three of y'all yeah yeah so how did how did how did that even come about because the music is not available online currently right it hasn't been it hasn't been never wow yeah it hasn't been ever not I mean, we missed the whole- Not that part of the category.

Yeah, dude. And before we even get into that, let me ask you something. In the original contracts, they never stated anything about digital. Nah, there was no- Well, that didn't exist at the time. There was no language at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so-

That's what fucked a lot of people. The vague language for it to just happen, it was never there. It was, I guess in our contracts, it was specifically cassette, vinyl, CDs, you know what I'm saying? Wow. And CDs was, even in 89, was CDs? I think maybe they probably amended it, I'm assuming. No, it was just starting.

Yeah, it was starting. So bad. Yeah, I mean, it was language in the contracts, but it was real vague, you know? I'm not certain exactly what it said, but it could be something vague, you know? I'm not certain exactly what it said, but it could be something like, you know, CDs, cassette vinyl in any format. So it could be that.

Any format or any new change that may have happened for distribution. Now, how did you get this information? Like, Tommy Boy reached out to you guys, or you guys reached out to Tommy Boy about releasing this? Yeah, I mean, Tom Silverman reached out, excuse me, individual number one. Yeah, he reached out to us, you know, just trying to do the right business.

I got the catalog back and I want to release you guys stuff. Now he got it back through Rhino, right? Because I believe Rhino had it. Warner was? Warner, yeah. I was trying to get my thing back at the same time we had Paul. So he comes to y'all and he says at first he wanted to do

a deal with it? Like he or What it was, he presented an option the option we spoke about that we felt was unfavorable it was either we do this if we don't respond at a certain time that he would resort back to original contracts which was contracts we signed from one so we responded we responded in day one. So we responded. We responded in saying that, you know,

we responded like we were supposed to. Income. Yeah. So it was supposed to then go from there, but we didn't really get any communication going until the final hour. Wow. Pretty much almost about a year.

So we kept trying to get in touch with him. Right. And our lawyers was trying to reach out and we heard nothing from him. Because I imagine this had to be like the last route of you guys going to the internet. I imagine it was talks prior to that. Well, it was definitely talks of that. It was a lot of talk. It was evaluating what was in front of us and really

trying to figure out what to do, how to approach him, knowing who he is altogether. We've been in a relationship where you know how he is. So you truly got to think for yourself and your team, you know? And, you know, once we came to a meeting of the minds of who we know we're dealing with, it was time to strike. But we did give him the opportunity to speak in the very final hour. And then speaking in the final hour, he didn't want to make any changes on what he did. And to me, now I'm speaking about my own situation, because I tried to get my two albums as well, The War Report, and one of the things, on NRE album, he didn't want to negotiate with me because he said it wasn't recouped.

And I'm like, who gives a fuck if it's recouped or not? Moving forward, why not split it 50-50? You can recoup as you go. You can recoup as you go. You know what I'm saying? Isn't that the simplest thing? And I'm not trying to be smarter than what I'm supposed to be, but what I'm saying is, why wouldn't we go 50-50? I go out there.

I'll be happy to promote this shit. You know what I'm saying? Some of these kids don't even... It's like re-releasing something new. Oh, man. This is an emotional topic for me because I'm directly affected. So when I see you guys on the Internet, I'm just moving around a little bit. Let me ask about how did it feel to see the hip hop community, you know, stand with you?

I mean, it's it's it's always a good feeling. We kind of felt it was there. Would you say I'm sorry? I kind of felt that they was there. What'd you say, I'm sorry? We kind of felt that it was there. Okay. You know, just waiting. Right. I mean, from the climate of what we felt

with our Kickstarter. I got the shirt off. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, brother. Thank you. You know, that climate kind of told us that there are people out there who care. Right.

So, when it was time to sound off, we kind of felt like it was going to have, you know, an alliance, but it turned out a little crazy. Hold, hold, hold. You know, I'll honestly say it was comforting.

Right. It made the decision feel right. Right. You know, especially for somebody like Hov. Hov, yep. You know, especially for somebody like Hov. Hov, yup. You know, could honestly say maybe been in a room with him maybe three times my whole career. Right.

You know, and don't even just know each other through the music. Right. That spoke volumes. Well, you helped raise all of us, you know what I'm saying? It's not just the fans, it's the artists too. Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. It's helped everybody. Indeed, indeed. And Nas, who else was with Nas? I think Busta. Nas, Questlove. I mean, I Absolutely. It's helping everybody. Indeed. Indeed. And Nas, who else? Nas, I think Busta. Nas, Questlove. I feel like everybody's been there.

Busta, Droby, Master Ace. I'm sure at one time or another, everybody's shared this story. You see people coming together, artists, fans, whomever, because in some way, shape, or form, they've either heard it and affected by it, you know, related to it somehow. So, we apologize for the situation. We had a few record exec people reach out behind the scenes. You know, big up to Steve Stout. He reached out.

Well, you know what I'm saying? It's like, in my mind, I felt like it was probably hard for a lot of record exec people to speak out I don't think it is anymore well I'm just trying to say like unless they have dealt and done this to other artists themselves so it's kind of hard to be pointing a finger you know what it is it's kind of fly now to own your masters like you know like back then like we weren't really thinking about that like I'm speaking for myself. I was thinking about it in advance, you know what I'm saying? Getting some jewelry, you know what I'm saying?

And now it's like it's fly to actually own your material, you know what I'm saying? Because we want to leave something to your children. So the thing about it is like you ever seen a person that, you know, lives in a project for 30 years? They don't own it, but it's their house. That's what it feels like. It feels like, you know, I got aunts that live in the projects for 900 years. They've been rent. But that is their, she feels like she owns it.

And the projects, a good thing to do is, you know what, you should own that. You know what I'm saying? You should own that. And that's Tom Silverman if you're listening, because I know you are. Did you have him on the line already? I know you are. Tom Silverman if you're listening.

This is the best time for you to lead the pack. You lead the way and say, you know what, I'm going to stop doing business. That's a good way of looking at it. In in this way you can take this time and you can flip this whole shit and you can be the winner right say you know what I'm gonna get a pretty facility shit so everybody and then the little freelance he was gonna come out and nobody by nature and everybody else gonna say you know what this is the guy we wish we were the new back then you could leave the path you

can leave the path Tom trust me You don't say so we got that out the way. I'll keep going I'll say this much Murray, you know, I like to give People the opportunity to change Because we have been given that opportunity based on how we grew up, where we come from,

what we could have been doing based on rock being a thing that has actually been a significant part of growing us to be the men we've become. So I would like to say he would change, but I don't know. I don't know. The way we've done business over the years and the man I've sat next to talking business, but I don't know. Right. I don't know. The way we've done business over the

years and the man I've sat next to talking business with, I don't know if he really has the ability to change. So I worry about that. But you know what? Maybe it's you know, sometimes in order for it to change, sometimes you got to look at yourself in the mirror.

So maybe this is it. Because maybe he just doesn't, maybe he thinks it's just us. Maybe he thinks it's just you. Maybe he thinks it's just me. Maybe he thinks it's just Latif. So maybe he sees this interview, like I said, he's gonna see this because I would watch it if I was him. And maybe he sees

this interview and say, like, we're not trying to be unfair. We're not trying to diss you, disrespect your legacy, disrespect your name or anything. In fact, we're proud of it We're gonna claim our history Honestly say But bus signing to Tommy boy was a significant part of what they legacy was then yes I mean, that's the home of so sonic force

Jazzy 5m sounds with Jazzy Jake. I feel like we've embodied that, all of us. We've all taken a piece of that on into our success. We've sweated blood, sweated tears for that. Whether we claimed it or not, we were all part of that legacy. And it's fair for us to share that. But when I hear those guys' stories, that's that far different. part of that legacy. And it's fair for us to share that. We should benefit from that. But when I hear those guys' stories,

that's that far different. Well, then it might be even worse. You know what I'm saying? The thing about y'all, y'all leading the pack. The thing that y'all admire is y'all knew how to use the internet. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So many people don't know how to use the internet, bro. You know what I'm saying?

Y'all used it perfect. Because you did not diss them. You didn't say, hey, you didn't say fuck Tommy, bro. You just said, I said that, my bad, Tom. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, you guys knew how to use the internet. And so what is your end result? What do you think that we could end with this?

What does it make you? At this point, ownership. Own it, right? Owning my catalog. Mm-hmm. Right. That would make a world of difference. That would make it easy to show up for work.

Right. And do what we need to do. Right. Right. There it is. Nigga, hold up, man. I had a moment. I had a moment, my nigga.

Like, as an artist, because that shit is real. Like, we work hard for something, and we didn't really know that what we were doing. We were young men. We were in front of the world, and, you know,

it's time to make that right man it's time to make that right man I feel y'all so much in all fairness to the business we've been doing we've done nothing less than partnerships since they left right so yeah and here it is we've been blessed to do a shoot we've been blessed to continue to tour tremendously. I mean, Library of Congress, Library of Congress, I mean, you know, Library of Congress with a catalog

that people can't even get. Wow. You know, so, you know, I look at, you know, my comrades, such as yourself, Missy Elliott in particular, when she had a great moment,

like 15 years after Work It, and did the Super Bowl. Why? Yo, she did it like a million years after Work It and did the Super Bowl. Why? Yo, she did it like a million downloads in Work It, if not more. So I was kind of speculating, what could it have been for us behind the White House? Wow. Yeah, no doubt. You know, what could have been?

Just potentially behind being Obama's request. Right. You know? Right. You know? Right. To perform at the White House with Common and the Roots and doing Me, Myself, and I. Wow. Me, Myself, and I. Just Me, Myself, and I.

Oh, man! We got me going right now, man. Shit, my hoes and my laws. Let's do it, man. Oh, shit. Man, we got to get this right, man. And again, moving forward to new artists who are watching this, I wanted people to know that it was a lot harder to get on back then.

You actually had to have skills. Not to say you guys don't have skills, it's a different time and era. And I mean to tell you, you had to out-rock everyone in your barrel and everyone to get to a certain level it was real real real real real back then they definitely come from our demographics because I think we our gateway was always trying to get on the radio we had to get on the radio to be able to do our thing I mean I wish we were able to do it like NWA or Too Short. I wish we could sell out of the car in New York.

We would have never had this issue. But our goal was always getting to that conduit, which was BLS, MS, and... Let's take it from there. So in the beginning, that was the goal was... Get on radio. Get on radio. I think for us we was cool with before the mixtape era.

Yeah. So you had to go straight to radio. That must have been fucking hard as hell. Or was it easy? No, it was hard. It was hard because when you had to even get somebody's attention like Prince Paul. Like you always had someone be co-signed. It was very because when you had to even get somebody's attention like Prince Paul. You always had someone be co-signed.

It was very seldom that somebody won a rap contest. Like Stetsonica or whoever. You know all the fat boys who won a rap contest. We knew Prince Paul. But I had to get his attention first. That takes a minute. You know what I mean? And hoping that the stars just line up,

which they did, obviously. But even then, he didn't make no promises based on the position they were in. And Prince Paul was a producer as well, right? Producer, yeah. A member of Stetsasonic. And as groundbreaking as

y'all were at the time, too, did y'all think it might be difficult to break this music? Yo, as Vase is saying, success for us was hearing Magic do Whirl Whirl premiere. And that's it. That's all you get to hear. I was off to the military. He was already in architectural school.

He was off to college. We was about already in architectural school, he was off to college, like we was about to move on with life. Yeah, right. Wow. Wow. To get a re-up, to do like Pothos in my lawn, we was like, oh, okay, you know, this will be something. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And then it was Pothos and Jennifer, and Jennifer was out of respect and answer to Jembrowski. Cause we was hanging with the Jungle Brothers at the time so we came with Jenny. It was like Jenny met Jimmy and became buddies after a while. Right, right. Oh shit. Let me ask you your name.

Cause your name's spelled backwards as yogurt. Yeah, yogurt. Okay. How did you come up with that? Well, Pa started that. You mean like yogurt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was OD'ing at work.

But Pa started it backwards. Okay, how did you start that? Um, love this name called Sop Sound As a DJ like I just want you know, my mother was from the country Waynesboro, Georgia She always would say in my house, you know, you better like eat up everything you be playing all these sounds and sop up all these sounds for DJs. So when I started back towards trying to be an MC, I just turned everything backwards. Pops, Sock became Pops.

Sound became Denu. You know what I'm saying? That's cool. God damn it. I've been waiting for this story for 25 years! You want some more? I got more. We got white wine, we got tiger bowl. You requested it. So we went and found tiger bowl. Hey, can you request it?

Give us some more what? You don't drink? I don't drink, but I'm going to have some wine. Have some wine and some champagne, god damn it. I don't drink my master Show is to give our people a flowers where they can smell I hate the fact that you got ten years or more in This game people want to say you washed up you know put in every other job of music or every other they say you seasoned Yeah, I want to change the genre And I think I'm cool enough to do it Every other job or musical every other they say you season Telling you right now My brothers, my brothers. I love y'all brothers. Y'all helped raise me. Y'all helped raise me.

I've heard all your albums and it would be, I would be less than a man for me to be able to sit here and tell y'all how great y'all are, man. You understand what I'm saying? And that's what we gotta, our community gotta start changing that, man. I don't take me nothing less to say that you're great. And what you guys, your legacy should be

in gold, letters, everywhere, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit don't take nothing away from me, my brother. You know what I'm saying? You know that Macy was one of the first to reach out as a fan. Yes, that's true. That's true. Within the artisan industry, he was like, yo, I'm a big fan of what y'all doing. I can't wait to go.

I'm not gonna drink Tiger Bone with y'all. Don't even ask. I'm begging y'all. I'm not going to drink Tiger Bowl with y'all. Don't be mad. I'm not. I knew you was going to smoke, though. I knew you was going to smoke. That's my man. I remember we was on a Puerto Rican Day Parade one day.

He was DJing for me. And he smoked the whole time. I was like, yo, you're not going to chill? He's like, I'm going to keep him on me. So, man, I'm so excited to have y'all here, man. So let's go. Let's take it back to the very first album. I want to... That's 1989, correct?

Yeah. Okay, hold on. Hold on. I got notes, nigga. Hold on. Hold on. I got notes, nigga. I'm trying to step my game up.

Hold on. All right, cool. All right, cool. Hold on. Okay, yeah, 1989. Okay, 1989, excuse me. Three Feet High and Rising. First album. Guys are going in. Okay, yeah, 1989. Okay, like, 89, excuse me. Three Feet High and Risa.

First album. Guys are going in. What is your mind frame? Kids. Who's out, by the way? Who's out, like, that? That's your competition, right? Well, NWA, DOC was out of town. But Eric, you know, of course, Eric B. Rakim,

you know, ABMD. Is the Tribe out? Because Tribe's ancient. Tribe.C. was out of town. But Eric, you know, of course, Eric B. Rock him, you know, APMD. Is the Tribe out? Because Tribe is ancient. No, no. Tribe is not, yeah. Tribe is early 90s. OK. Tribe is not even out.

Johnny Brothers. So Tribe is y'all little brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy shit, that's right. OK. We're going to get to Native Tuck. We got to get to Native Tuck. There's like 900 of them niggas.

Y'all was like the first Wu-Tang. Word. Yeah. Word. Yeah. Word. So, OK, the first album. Yeah. OK, y'all was like the first Wu-Tang. Thank you. Who heard that? So, okay, the first album. Yeah. Okay, y'all go on there like, what is, who, what, cause you know, in your mind when you're

making records, you wanna make, be better than somebody. So, so who, who, yeah, who was in, was it Public Enemy? Which I was like, cause you know, I don't know if it was about being better though. Okay. I mean, who did we aspire to be like? Yeah, yeah, there you go. Run DMC. Yeah. KRS-One. Woo. Ultra magnetic. Ultra magnetic. Okay, I mean who did we aspire to be like yeah, you know that's on DMC

Karis one Ultramagnetic But we were students of all that we were students of treacherous three and all that, you know BDP all you know This is how people you know, okay, okay, just up to the school and beatbox and give out flyers and all that. Oh, it's Biz's one of my favorites. Yeah.

We all love Biz. He touched us all the same. Trust me. The only outsider who could come up to our school without the principal

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or wherever you get your podcasts. When y'all see people like Pharrell, do y'all, do you, do you, do you, because, you know, he's, he's direct. Directly y'all child. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like a Lupe Fiasco, even like Jake Holt, like you know what I'm saying? So, so even Kendrick.

Even Kendrick, like when you, when you, when you see artists like that, do you see yourselves in them? Definitely, I mean even like Art Future, like y'all like, wow, I see that. Yeah, you know, definitely. Yeah, especially visually Art Future, yeah. our future yeah, I can see I can see him and tap into y'all Yeah, now who's artists as fans and fans of y'all that you never expected? Dave Chappelle's a big one. Yeah, he's huge

Man Man I never thought Russell Peters. Oh, so you're the comedian? Yes, my man, I'm from Canada. Oh, I know him. I mean, I got to know Russell over the years, but when I first met him, I had no idea he was there. Yeah, that's a hip hop dude right there.

Honestly, I'm sorry to cut you, but for me, it was always like, to see like, hard rock make his fuck with us. Like yo, the day I met, when we was recording an Anonymous Nobody album and I met Twin. And he just came up to me like, yo, like I'm a De La fan. And like, you know, I'm so used to listening to him and all the Alchemist beats. Oh, my beat. You know what I'm so used to listening to him all the alchemist beats and the mob

Just like just dope to see how he was really into our shit like Cameron, you know Not being a fan To be Like the first thing if you get a hip-hop card, but should be like the first, if you get a hip hop card, that should be like the first question. Like, where you at in your De La Soul, is it? Where you at, brother? You know what I mean? You're going to pass this course.

You ain't getting no card, man. For real, we're going to start making hip hop cards, man. But it's definitely finding out the different songs cats like. Like Rakim likes Saturdays. Cam like I Know. You think dudes are like some Otter. Like Pete's Porridge or something like that. But nah, he like, Ra likes Saturdays. Cam like I Know from 3 Feet High.

So it's funny. Nah, man, that's a beautiful thing, man. So, now let me get to Tupac, man. At one point, Tupac had... Because y'all was cool at first, right? Yeah, man. Without question. So, what...

Like cool from Digital Underground days? Digital Underground. That era of Tupac? Yeah, yeah. So, I hang out with like Pac at like the... Wow. You know, like... Man, Pac used to smoke, for real. We used to kick ass.

So where did the greatest beef come from? Well, I think it started from what, the video for Ego Trippin'. When you guys had the big eyes? Well, no, we like, we're in this mansion, you know, we're making fun of ourselves in terms of, like, playing off, like, if we have an ego, but someone's questioning it. So if Dave is riding around in his car, it says, like, he don't even own it, stuff like that. At the chicks in the decorator's. Yeah, chicks in the decorator's.

Stuff like that. Basically Adrian was managing him at the time. Reached out to our peoples right at Tommy Boy and he was just like, yo, he just feel like y'all are trying to play off and diss I Get Around video. And he was like, yo, and he was like, it wasn't even like a big thing. And this is digital underground, right? Yeah, that was his first song. Yeah, that's his first single.

With Money B's in that single. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Money B's in that single. Yeah, yeah. The way it relates was like Pac was just disappointing because he loved us. And we immediately let him know, nah, we had no thought about that. We didn't even see the... I didn't even see the angle. But I noticed that I probably said something, but I didn't even see the angle. I didn't see the angle. Yeah, the angle. But I noticed that I probably said something,

but I didn't even notice it. Like, here it is. Had I known when he was alive, I'd apologize, straight up. Because I didn't see that, and that definitely wasn't the intention. I love the brother. Yeah, it was unfortunately weird

because when we were told, we immediately was like nah, that's not even the case. And then Adrian gave me the number to speak to him. So by that time he had a crib out in Atlanta. I tried to call him, I think I missed his call. I called him back, but I left a message. I was like yo, hit me like, yo, hit me back, he never hit me back, but, so then like,

maybe a whatever, a year or so later when you hear what was going on in the album, it just caught us off guard, because you know, Pac was people, I mean, I remember a time when we did a show out in the Bay, you know, great show, and after the show, I'm standing outside, and some dude came up on me like, yo, you know, like, you dissing Karis One. I was like, what?

Like, I was like, Karis One is a god to me. Like, no, no, because you said in that song, Afro Connections, you know, you're not a vegetarian, you're not scared of beef. And I'm like, is this a metaphor thing? What's that got to do with Karis One? Because Karis must have the same line, right? Well, Karis One was a vegetarian,

and he thought I was weird. So then the dude was just trying to get at me. I was just K.R.S. I was a vegetarian and he thought I was good so then the dude was just trying to get at me and Pac came out of nowhere he was like yo Young and like that's a you know that's people's

and like so Pac kind of saved me from any problem so I mean like Pac was always a good people to us so it was sad when it happened because we just

didn't understand where it came from oh so you never really got the chance to fix it nah he said he tried he tried but didn't even know that I from. Oh, so you never really got the chance to fix it? Nah, he said he tried. He tried, but didn't even know that. I'm talking about like, this may have even been

four or five years ago, I ran into his sister at the airport in Atlanta, and she was like, yo, Pac was a really good fan of yours, and she was like, I'm telling you, straight up, like, he loved y'all, he was just hurt when it happened. And I guess, you know, at that point, you know, Pac, he bled his heart. Yeah, emotional, yeah.

So, that's what it was. Well, God bless you too, Pac. Oh, no doubt. Yes, definitely. You too, Pac. Definitely. You got your own dunk sneaker? Yeah.

Oh, God damn it. I guess it's just getting that night money, huh? God damn it. God damn it's to get that night money, huh? God damn it. God damn it. How did that come about? We did, what? Yeah, we did two of those. Yeah, two runs with them.

I think the first one might have been like 2004. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Well, we had the high tops. The green high tops. The high tops. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And people thought the high tops was like Teenage Ninja Turtles. They like nicknamed them that Leaving it home on purpose. Nah, man. You been leaving it home too much lately. He called me like 15 minutes before I come here. I'll be honest.

You got a whole case in your crib. By the way, I want to let y'all know. I want more. Oh, okay. I'm going to let y'all know. If you're going to take this, we do not claim this. We do not promote this. We know that this is the worst thing ever.

Yeah. We are well aware of this. We're that this is the worst thing ever. Yeah, I know, I know. We are well aware of this. We had a Surgeon General disclaimer that comes out. But we celebrate hip-hop. Okay, Dan gave me a decent size. Okay. That's decent size. Okay. He usually be disrespectful out here. I don't like that. I don't like that shot. Don't be disrespectful. Don't be disrespectful out here.

Yeah, we all right. You said you were going to take one because I heard you were going to ask. No, no. I just. He was disappointed in me. Yeah. Where'd you get that bottle, Mr. Lee? They went and found it.

The Jamaicans, man. The Jamaicans. The Jamaicans connected it. It just went crazy. Oh, Lord. We got one more. All right, cool. Thank you.

We celebrate your legacy tonight. Let me tell you, y'all are legends. We support y'all. We are with y'all forever. We are with y'all forever. We are with y'all forever. We are with y'all forever. We are with y'all forever. We are with y'all forever cool. We celebrate y'all legacy tonight. Let me tell y'all, y'all are legends. We support y'all.

We are with y'all movement. We love y'all. We're going to keep doing it. Everybody got to shout out. Salute, salute. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yo, man. And. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, man. Woo. And that was your spell? What is that? That wasn't tiger bone, man. That was lion bone.

That's, that tasted like boiled tiger. Oh, shit. Ooh. Ah, that was hard. That was horrible. That's healthy, right? I hope it is. I hope it is.

I hope it is. Woo. You put it in the abstract. It belongs there, you're right. It belongs there. Did you ever think hip-hop would be just bad? Nah, nah man. I mean, hip-hop was enormous at Run DMC. That was big enough. Walk This Way was the biggest thing.

You know, you couldn't even think how much bigger it could get. The stadium. Yeah. The tours that they were doing. And I guess, you know, when you a kid, man, all you thinking is,

like Norris said, like, you thinking just how you gonna benefit from this directly, you know? I'm gonna buy me a chain. I'm gonna be, you know, I'm gonna be doing it. just how you going to benefit from this directly. I'm going to buy me a chain. I'm going to be doing it. But you never look at it as a business and income extensions

and branding and all that. It's a short term thing. Yeah, we never thought that. But it's nice to see it happening, man. It's a beautiful thing to see is opening bigger doors and getting into bigger and better places.

And, you know, I guess what kind of is where we're at at this time, and hopefully it can revert back to, you know, the artist of ago, is this ownership of things. You know what I'm saying?

You know, it's good to see the new young folks, you know, doing the business? You know, it's good to see the new young folks, you know, doing the business accordingly to a different standard. Right, yeah. But, you know, there's a lot of us, you know, who are, even before us, it's like, I always say to myself, why isn't there a Vegas show of hip-hop?

You know, why isn't there a show where it's like this? Like a residency? Yeah, like a residency, you know? They're there a show where it's like a residency you know I'm doing it now they don't know um yeah I think 2 Chainz has one and he's like he's like he's like young he's at Dre's I just left LA and it was a billboard in front of the hotel so they're getting more to I think Nelly had one residency but I'm talking about even bigger than that Like you know Blue Man Group Why isn't there a presentation

You know I think we can go in those directions And that's where you can begin to incorporate Brothers like Grandmaster Flash And Nelly Mel And Kool Rogue And people who deserve those positions And who should be part of owning things And being a part of the history and the legacy of it

You know We don't expect them always Excuse me To put records out and who should be part of owning things and being a part of the history and the legacy of it. You know, we don't expect them always, excuse me, to put records out. That's not what we're really expecting them to do, but there should be opportunities for them to reap off of the thing they've done. There should be a kickback from that to the heaven what they created.

From what they can, the architect. Yeah, absolutely. And it's not about that era of saying Our older gods got to come at somebody and and expect something no there's enough Money to be made where like does he say an opportunity exactly? So you see it done in other genres right so it's not like we are Yeah, it's a motor review. Why wouldn't it be a profile reviewer? You know I'm saying if you have these artists and what do you guys think about like the office the stream in that like? Directed consumer, you know saying this is that something that you guys are fans of or you know

I wouldn't say we're against it. You know I'm saying like Cuz I imagine a time I remember at one point I would throw a record out and it wouldn't say we're against it, you know what I'm saying? Because I imagine a time, I remember at one point, I would throw a record out, and it wouldn't get to Japan until, you know what I'm saying, 16 days later. And I remember a time where in order for the record to get to London, I had to physically go there. Right, right. Damn, I'm old.

Damn, I'm getting old. Damn, I just feel old, I'm sorry. But you know what I'm saying? I don't know if you remember. I'm sorry, Gustavo. I don sorry. But you know what I'm saying? I'm sorry, Gustavo. I don't know if you remember, we was at your show at Subterranean in London. You got London, but I forgot the show. You got totally shocked,

and everyone knew your lyrics. Oh, yes, damn, man. You're putting up my card. You're putting up my card. How you doing, man? Yo, yo, listen, listen. Yo, tell that story. Yes, no, I remember when I seen y'all in London,

and it was London, right? Yeah. And I remember when I seen y'all in London, and it was London, right? Yeah. London. And y'all, and I said, what are y'all doing here? He was like, we got a show in two weeks. And I was like, why would they be here? Two weeks? I remember that I was doing features, y'all was getting that.

And I never knew that. That had never made sense to me until 10 years later. I said, holy shit, I'm doing exactly what De La Soul was doing. Yo, that shit is ill like how old I am. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this.

I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be able to do this. I'm like, I'm not even going to be until 10 years later. I said, holy shit, I'm doing exactly what De La Soul was doing. Yo, that shit is ill, like how life, you know what I'm saying, comes together, mugga. I think we should make some noise for that guy. I'm joking.

But let me get back to the point I was trying to make was, I remember I used to have to physically have to go to like to a London or to a Jamaica or to a Scotland or whatever to like promote a record. Now, I can actually drop it one place and you can actually see from the comments that this guy is from Switzerland. I think that's amazing. That is. It is.

No question. You know what I'm saying? How do you feel about it? I mean, there's a give and take. I would need to hear the take. You know, the take is, you know, we're not really making no money off this anymore. Now we're kind of using our music more to promote and gain money and residuals off in other areas. I'll tell you something. Gain money and residuals off in other areas Something when you look at the streaming

The people who pay the most and I'm not on Jay Z's payroll this title Hmm, why is that like why is title given paying the artists more and like? Apple you have to put on Apple you can put it on Spotify and you put on title Why is title specifically paying more paying more? You have to put it on Apple, you can put it on Spotify, and you put it on Tidal. Why is Tidal specifically paying more? It's because he's- He got a lot to do at home, and being pro artist. You know, the beauty of his position, in my opinion,

is here it is, now you got a coach who played the game. Right. There's all these other coaches who never played the game. So why don't we all just go out support titles why hasn't that he's banking on that like he's investing in that for the long run when are we gonna like support our own for real like y'all are a great example because like i'm sorry to cut you off but i'm like when y'all said something the whole it felt like the whole hip-hop community like i have power right now you know what i'm saying like i wanted to

let y'all know that like yeah yeah the position of real power because it's even the young kids are tuned in because they said you know Nas is there home is there in the subject right the subject matter is what matters yeah so how do we capitalize on that? I mean, it's great to monetize it. It's great to be able to harness it and change it into opportunities to earn from. But you know, it's like,

because of the subject matter that we're dealing with right now, I also see the opportunity to make legislation, you know, to help. Right. Future artists. Future artists coming. You know, we could all monetize.

There's great ways to make that happen, but we also gotta think that the power is greater than just dollars and cents. I mean, so, I would love to see what comes out of our, you know our madness. Is legislation changing, man? People fighting and pushing for that. Hopefully this will inspire an attorney. Hopefully this will inspire a young entrepreneur

or someone who's in the game right now who feels like we need to just change the rules a little bit. So capitalizing off of it can be dollars and cents but we can also do a little bit. You know, so, capitalizing off of it can be dollars and cents, but we can also do this. The business model behind streaming is still unfavorable. You know, I just think Tidal is the best company doing the best they can based on their competitors. Because they still got to compete, you know what I mean?

And you can't beat Robert, man. He can't. I mean, as much as he's trying to be, he still can't be a fool in business. But do you guys have any of those aspirations to lead that way or be leaders and make your own companies and consult companies to avoid these things for future artists? Absolutely. I aspire to be, and a lot of it comes out of these mistakes. Because that experience, we need that. We all need that. I'm always down to be the model for change. The minute I touch hip-hop culture, it changed my life, period. Based on what I know it could have been. So therefore, I was always aspiring to do the right thing

when it came to this. I wanted to learn. I was at Rush all the time. I will still attribute a big part of my success today to the things I learned around Elizabeth Street. Rush Artist Management. At Rush Artist Management. That was Russell Simmons. That was Chris Lighty. Much of people have been, hey man, we was a conduit even for Chris Lighty.

You know what I'm saying? We was there before all of them. And here it is, I will say, even our mistakes in that situation that allowed Tribe to do what they're doing, allowed others to do what they're doing, allowed Chris Lighty to even be the guy they looked at. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. even our mistakes in that situation that allow tribe to do what they're doing, allow others to do what they're doing, allow Chris Lighty to even be the guy they looked at. Right. To be like, yo, you take over. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And one thing I can say, yo, I'm proud of every decision we made, good and bad.

Mm. At least it was ours. Yeah. Right. And we learned from it. At least it was ours, and we learned from it. Yeah. But y'all stuck together too. Without question. Alright, y'all ain't had no, y'all snuffing each other? Or was there no internet back then?

Right. It wasn't that bad. Right. But there was nothing other people said about it though. Right. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he said, me and Paul had a whole bunch of fights where niggas wasn't on the internet back then, so niggas ain't put a jack in. Right, right. Me and Poe had a whole bunch of fights.

Niggas was on the internet back then, so niggas ain't put a jack in. But it was crazy, because today you came very, very early. That's traditional. That's traditional. You wouldn't have to come out. I needed to hear that. You know what, I'm the early nigga. I need to hear that. You know what? I'm the early nigga.

I'm the early nigga, and Paul is always the late nigga. And I just saw it in your face. He was like, these niggas. But it's drink chance, I'm the early nigga. I'm not sure if you're the early guy. I'm the early guy. Listen, I want to ask you. You can make fun of me, come on, man.

I want to ask the staff. Has he been the late guy lately? He's the early guy. I'm the, Matt. I want to ask the staff, has he been a late guy lately? He was an early guy. I'm the early guy! I mean, this right here! You've got to put that into it. I think I'm the early guy. You live across the bridge.

Hey, you just act, you act, you act. When I get a lotto, when it comes to clubs, when it comes to clubs, T.F.N. is the earliest. He's there at nine o'clock. No one's there, the people are still sweeping here. What are you doing? What are you doing? Him going to the club when no one is there.

Like, when they still open it up, the people are still wiping down the tables and shit. He got his bottle of rum in it. Make some noise for Ian Fennig. Our food we partner. Man, so what is the best that hip hop has done for you? Man. You know, it afforded us a chance to travel all around the world.

Learn a lot, you know? I mean, I'm sure you can attest to it. I mean, we all feel where we're from is our world, is our globe, and when you're able to travel, you can see the differences, and then you can also see what is so similar with you and someone from Sweden or someone from Cali. Support my family. Yeah, without question.

Doing something you love too. Doing something I love. And that's the biggest thing. Damn, that became a paralegal. Just finding out all of y'all. Oh wow, wow, that's real. Well, I got something from Moni Love, hold on. Okay. She said she had a question of y'all. Oh, wow. Wow, that's real. It's good. I got something for Moni Love. Hold on.

Oh, yeah? She sent me a question for y'all. Or actually a story she wants to hear. Moni. Don't let it be about. She sent a fight. Oh, no. Damn, she sent me another one, too.

Oh, God. Let's go. She said. They smelling the tea? Big fight at Queen Latifah's B-Day party. What was going on? Back in the day. MK's in Manhattan.

Oh, gosh. Got a story for that one? Where in the kingdom? Oh, man. I mean, it was... She said, Maceo rocking Natsa, too. Dave, too. That was when Chris and them?

Yeah. They slashed Chris' face. It was a night Chris Letty got cut in his face. Oh, God. I didn't know this story. Yeah. So it was pandemonium that night.

That's all. You know, you step up for your family and handle shit. Pretty much. We was all there. I don't know what tip it was. I know Jungle was. Jungle was. I was, of course, there.

Violators was there. All of our people from Amityville. It just got ridiculous. It got crazy. But they, crazy, but they cut the guards. And out of all that was going on, somebody tried to steal a cash register. Remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Out the club? Out the club, yeah.

I've never heard of this. What was wild about that night, personally to me, is that this is pre-internet. And when that happened, people in the UK heard about it. Because I guess at that point, it was just getting on the phone and calling somebody. Yo, this happened. Or sending a fax. Yeah. Fax.

Fax. Wow. Fax. I still got a fax machine. I ain't going to lie. I'm old school, right? I'm old school. I still got it.

We got it with the paper roll or just the individual? Nah, the paper roll's the old school soul. You got the paper? Yeah, I got the other shit. My shit's analog. I upgrade my life. I still got a package here. Y'all mentioned Jungle Brothers.

We gotta talk about the creation of Native Tongue. Yeah, I mean Native Tongue, we had this gig in boston and uh jungle was on on the bill as well and that's when we lost jungle and especially who was native tongue originally yeah to begin with it was us tribe and jungle and the idea came from from jungle brothers from africa okay yeah from africa yeah we met at we met at a gig The idea came from Jungle Brothers? From Africa. Okay. From Africa. Yeah, we met at a gig, exchanged numbers, wound up hanging out. When you say Africa, we say Africa of Bambada.

No, no, no. Baby Bambada. Jungle Brothers. Jungle Brothers. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Africa of JB's. We did a show with Jungle Brothers in Boston, met them, and then from there we just created

a relationship. Day after gig? I'm sorry, go ahead. and met them and then from there we just created a relationship. I'm sorry, go ahead. And then eventually we was in the studio and we invited them to the studio. For us it was like studio was just like inviting friends and if you happen to be there, you're going to be a part of what's going on. Because back then we had rails. Email, correct?

Right. So you had to be in the studio to, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said it wrong. I said rails. I heard you say rails. OK, my bad. Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm like, this next thing, what's that?

Fuck that. Then the great, she just went around those doors. She was like, oh, man. She was like, eight pounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to go to the nigga's desk. You're like,. I remember I had to go to see Busta Rhymes.

So I had to bring the rail there. That was like the worst day of my life. I had to go to see Busta Rhymes, so I had to bring the real there. That was like the worst day of my life. I had to literally hold this shit. You young niggas don't feel my pain! We had to work out to do a first studio session! You can punch it in! You niggas can punch it in! You young niggas disgust me!

Before you could even record, you had to strike the tape. Yeah. So you had to strike the tape. Yeah. So you had to run the whole tape all the way through. Put MIDI on tape. Them niggas preset was our final mixes, man. Yo, yo. Them preset right now was our final mixes. That's it.

These guys got it so easy, man. Oh my God. Your word, nigga punch in. I didn't know what a punch in was until 2005. Yo! I might be okay, I don't know. I'm just saying, nigga, I ain't punch in until 2000. What?

Because I'm talking about Unique Studios. Most of my shit from those days was unique studios and that time unique was not Digital at all Criteria out here was not digital at all It was it was one take Charlie for me Get away from that That's why our music that is the on makers the new news That's why I'm using sound, not just y'all niggas, the new niggas, the new niggas, not just y'all niggas, that's why our music sound much better than y'all. That's why your shit, you listen to your album 1989 and listen to somebody from right now, you be like, look how, cause these guys ain't even mixing right now.

They just putting a little bit, alright, throw it out. They don't give a fuck. Music is so disposable right now. Back then, the music lasted that whole year. That's why they call it a classic. You didn't listen to an album for a week. You listen to an album that whole fucking year. You gotta read all the credits on that. I'm about to be dropping shit, right? I'm dropping balls right now, right? I'm dropping balls.

Holy shit! My music was better back then. Am I lying? I don't know. you talk to yourself, because you be changing your minds at times. No, no, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, look at the quality of it. The quality of it?

Look at how many classics came out. Like right now, there's probably one classic album that came out last year, probably, right? I'm just saying, J. Cole. Yeah. I'll say that. Nancy. Your album.

It'll probably be less than 10 ten if we really get crazy. Like we wouldn't use all of our... But in the 90s, like everybody that dropped was a classic. I mean, there has to be something to... The process was more difficult back then, where now it's like you can record an album on your phone. Right. Right. You crafted an difficult back then where now it's like you can you can record an album on your phone right right you know I'm gonna see my craft did an album so what is that this process you want to be careful and make sure whatever you put out is exactly what you wanted to put up right imagine this is my product that's more of a field you know I feel like now it's

definitely more of a field you can make something on your laptop press a button is out right you know is I guess press a button, it's out. You know, I guess like how you're saying, it's like listening to music that it would be like Xtrapede making a beat in his crib, is how the finished product for Younger Cats now sound. Xtrapede can get the beat to Nas, and now you're gonna give it to the engineer.

Cause to be fair to Young Cats right now, they might be thrown out what would have just been demo records You gotta respectfully understand with the technology You know my kids young cats listen to everything in headphones and buds you know I'm saying it's not about bumping in your car you know what I'm saying? Sonically it's different as well yeah Cause we used to do mixes in all forms on headphones on the loudspeakers

go in the car listen to the car how it sound Car is the main one You know I'm working with Pre the other day he did the same thing. He was like, yo, yo, okay, I gotta go to the car. He had to hear it in the car. Did you ever been in the studio with Preem and he'd make a crazy beat and then erase it? That's terrible.

No, no, no. I just puke him. Yeah, definitely. Yo, let me tell you something. That shit hurt my fellas one day. I'm sitting there, I'm hitting with Preem, and Pre tell you something, that shit hurt my feelings one day. I'm sitting there, I'm hitting with Preem, and Preem is like, bro, and I'm like, that is it. And he goes, that shit ain't right.

I wrote the whole rhyme, what are you doing? And you two telling me that's you? Yeah. You know me? Yeah. And I asked you, I was like, I know you're the perfectionist, nigga, now I know who you are. Definitely. So, you know.

The Banzai plant motherfucker right here. Oh shit. He gotta be right, and I love it about him. Cause I'm the one who, and we like work so well together. The yin and yang? I'm the one who like, yo I like what I did, cause I just felt something. But Dave be like, yo Merce, but I'm telling you,

you can say it better, you can do it better. Like, Dave has always been that person. Potential, right? Yeah. You got to see the potential in everything. Yeah. And push that as far as you can, so that's just my philosophy. God damn it, let's do that.

All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, y'all were one of the first to work with J Dilla, correct?

Um, no. You were the first one? Yeah J Dilla, correct? One round at a time. We were running with Farside. Really? No, no, no. No? No. Farside got before us. Really?

He did on the album or a remix for Farside? He did an album. It was Drop. Drop and Running. He did Drop. And Running. Yeah, Drop. Yeah, J, Jade Jade dough did drop drop running Yeah, I think I think Dilla got in with with uh

With our red far side before us tribe obviously. Yeah, obviously. Busta? And Busta. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, and Busta. Yeah, yeah, that's a dime. The genes, man. Dilla was just undeniable, man.

Yeah. And y'all got an album coming out on Massapelle? Or you have an album? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, soon to be released. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Premium Soul and the Rocks. Yeah.

P-Rock and Premier. That's incredible, man. I'll get to that. And who? Artificial Intelligence Part 3. Yeah, I mean you're not bringing me I'm sold on the rocks. He rockin for me Yeah, cuz we gentlemen, we all feel the same way. I'm sorry, continue with what you were saying. No, I was just trying to say, we were, when we were still on Tommy Boy, we wanted to do like a triple album.

We was like, yo, this could be really a dope thing to do, but then they- When you say triple album, I need to clarify. It would've been... At the time, we came out with a double, and we was like, well, let's top all of that and do a triple. So it would have been like 900

songs. Exactly. Exactly. Just like how you say we're a gentleman here, we give it when a person deserves it. Tom Silverman was like, that's crazy. He didn't like it.

He just came up with a better idea. Better for him, not better for y'all. Well, maybe and I'm sorry, maybe. What was that idea? Why do three records when you could just do three installments? Yeah, like why do three records with one budget? It could bements? Yeah, like why don't you say like three hours, right? It'd be three budget per As well as that much music man something gets lost in there you feel like you wait, right so on all that So it was a good idea. Yeah, and we did a or one we did a or two yeah, and we still got to do a or three

So that's something that we were coming around to it Tommy boy folded you know I'm saying wow That's what everyone went into the to the we a matrix and then labels was trying to pick what they want Electra wanted us So we actually met with Elektra. Oh yeah, cause we are. We are. Exactly. By the time Roy folded, we all got absorbed. Yeah, yeah.

I'm in the same exact, I mean, this is crazy. I'm looking at y'all and they almost there too. It's a pack though. It's a backpack. Y'all's are the friends. Y'all technically label mates. Yeah, for real. It is. Technically it is. I was the promoter for a time. I worked all y'all motherfuckers records. Oh, man. But can I tell you what you said? Sylvia really wanted us on Elektra. Sylvia Rohn.

Yeah. Pick up Sylvia Rohn. She's an epic man. Absolutely. We need more black CEOs, right? Fuck it to you. We met with her. Looked? Fuck it's a unit, let's get to the black CEOs. You know, we met with her.

Looked like it could be a good thing, you know. We were kind of like, yo, like this could be cool, but she wanted us to do the entire album with Timbaland. And it was like, all right, you know, we don't necessarily know Tim like that. We would like to know if he would be interested. But then we kind of had our organic way of doing things. Like, we didn't have a video.

You know what I'm saying? I could have seen that, though, too. So, you know, it just didn't work out. She wanted certain things creatively. We weren't, you know. I can see Pharrell more. Well, look. Yeah.

Yeah. Definitely. I can see Tiff. Look, just like Dave just said. I give any creative opportunity, you know, a shot. But I really didn't see that. I don't see it. I see Tiff. I see Tiff, but I really didn't see that. I don't see any. I see Tim, but I see Pharrell more.

I see Pharrell woulda, he woulda put, cause I heard Pharrell play y'all music, I heard Pharrell try to attack y'all sound. I personally tried to. So, go ahead. Nah, I'm just saying, just like as y'all were saying and Dave was saying earlier, you know, you get props where props do.

I mean, Tommy Boy always allowed us to just have free reign over our creativity. So immediately seeing Sylvia trying to control it kind of made us be like, I don't know if it would work here. When did you feel like you should controlling it, or was it a suggestion? Nah, because, you know, you figure, I knew Sylvia, you know, from Rene McLean being there. That was like my brother-in-law. You know, I would always step up there a lot.

So, you know, she was just very, like, adamant on, like, yo, and I see this vision for y'all, and Tim should do the whole album, da- i'm saying our manager at the time cory smith you know who was listening you know cory smith yeah you know um it just didn't seem like it would work out the way we would want it to be so she was cool with us saying like you know we don't need to be there you know we felt like that wouldn't be where we want to be. And Atlantic wanted to try to pull us in. And even the gentleman who was overseeing everything, he was the head of WEA, like Warner Brothers. He was like a big Daylight fan. And he was like, yo, why don't you just be on Warner Brothers?

But WEA was like, look. It was a perfect opportunity. Yeah. To be independent. To be independent. Yeah. So we kind of asked for it. And, you know

It was the best thing that ever happened on career. Yeah, I mean that's like the biggest blessing man just to be Just the penny. Yeah Was there a learning curve that you when you were independent you had to figure things out that you didn't know No, no, you just already kind of knew Yeah, I mean we kind kind of knew. Like it made sense, it was common sense. Yeah, pretty much. And the responsibility just ultimately was on us. Everything across the board. And not to cut you, I'm still going back to that. We spent so many years having control of how we do things creatively, but and could see see at, like, say, with us being on Rush, Rush and Def Jam, of course, was so blended, we would see how Russell would talk

to their artists, like, yo, L, you gotta do this, yo, get on a train, go get up with Boyz II Men, go! You know what I'm saying? Yo, you know, Meth, you gotta do this, like, we just, we couldn't go to a label and have a label telling De La what to do. We had to be able to do what we needed to do. So we needed to be on our own, we needed to be independent

to stay in control of what we wanted to do. And you honestly like being independent more than a major? Well I mean, we were never majors. I think when you, Tommy Boy? Yeah, some would say that, yeah. Some would say that, yeah. I mean, yeah. I think when you think someone say something Actually was all penalty back So

Essentially that means that Tom Supermanman was the, I mean, the time boy was the distributor. Right, right, yeah. So that, so that in itself would make them, I mean. I mean, of course, the comfort of a label is like, I almost feel like you got staff, you know, already there, people know their job, they know the business, they know how to get around. So the comfort of having a company a corporation a team you know Massapelle you guys are partners yeah Massapelle is dope I'm doing a project with them

they're doing good things there yeah they're probably the best of both worlds in a sense yeah the last time when we put out anonymous nobody and the anonymous nobody you know Massape pill wants to be involved um this is the the crowdfunding yeah yeah yeah you know because we wanted to have someone to come thank you yeah yeah we wanted to have someone district i just think let me ask you we're sorry but did y'all break i felt like y'all broke records in terms of artists raising money did you or at least in hip-hop for hip-hop let's get into that let's get it because that to me was i mean i saw what was going on you know i was getting all the emails one side of the game i was getting all the emails you raised money for the budget of the album yeah and they raised an incredible amount of money yeah it was like yeah it was 600 grand um 30 days. Wow. Yeah. Make some noise for that. I mean, seriously, make some noise for the fans, man.

It was those folks that came out. Let's make some noise for the fans. Come on, y'all. Let's go, y'all. I mean, it's a flattering thing. 11,000 people raised $600,000. Wow. What was the budget? How much did you put that you were trying to raise? We were trying to flattering thing. 11,000 people raised $600,000. Wow. What was the budget?

How much did you put that you were trying to raise? We were trying to get $115,000. Yeah. What? $115,000. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you obviously exceeded that. We exceeded that in three hours.

Now, mind you. We exceeded it in like three hours. Three hours? Yeah. Oh, shit. You know. Damn, my fans ain't shit. And I feel like the interview is probably going to be like, I don't think they're going to give me $2,000. you know what we were looking at around the industry at that time when we were

considering a deal and what was coming 15 It was ranging from 100 to 150. So we came out of the road of what we thought was OK, what was achievable. Your fans had more in store for you. They wanted more. It's a difficult thing too, excuse me, Mase, to be asking for money. Right.

Oh, it is. I did a Kickstarter. And I was like, what? A human feeling. money right now it is a human you know feeling it's like it doesn't feel good am i begging here am i gonna look like i ain't got it and we live in a time of the internet where i'm sure there's some people who say that so it was kind of weird so we didn't want to seem like we was greedy we didn't want to seem like we couldn't afford it. Because those weren't, that wasn't it. The idea was to almost raise the awareness that we could do this ourselves.

And it's pre-sales, really what you're doing. So everybody who donated, did they get the album or something like that? Yeah, yeah. You wasn't asking for money, you were pre-selling. It was hard work, man. Like, you know, we offered a lot of things, you know. If you give up five grand, you'll go toy shopping with Dave. If you give up five grand, you'll go. That happened?

Oh, man, I got my money, man. I got my money. You did all that. So it was that type of thing. I got the signed vinyl. Recognize, what'd you get? You got the flash range. Right.

Flash range. And also with, I'm sorry, Dave, I got the signed vinyl. Recognize what you get. You got the flash drive. Right. And also with, I'm sorry Dave, within context of it all, immediately working on the album. We were working on the album. And we all knew labels that were actually interested immediately off the top. You know, from the band we worked with

to ourselves. We had people definitely wanting to hear it without hearing anything, very interested in doing anything with it. But as creative, we were allowing ourselves to get with the album, is what made us once again think that from a creative standpoint, could we put this on an album?

Could we put a song with, you know, I don't know, us and David Byrne and he's singing and then we rhyme like could we really do that and that's what made us think like well why don't we raise the money to just keep it be able to keep it totally creative you know I'm saying and I have a label think like well you're like you've got you gotta put Kodak black on this one record. And I love Kodak Black. All those restrictions that would come with being on a label with a short budget.

You know what I mean? And here it is. It was already 12 years. We hadn't made a record. So, you know, looking at just the business side of it, that wasn't a good thing for us, knowing we could have did it this way. Well, thank you that you guys did it

because I think we needed that for me, man. Thank you, man. And congratulations, too. Congratulations. Congratulations, as well. Congratulations. Thank you, man. Thank you.

Why you ain't positive? Why you ain't trying to be like the head of Sony? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Is that our next thing? You know what I'm saying? Or, you know what I'm saying? Like, is that our next, you know, thing? You know what I'm saying? Because, like, is it we need our people from within working in these systems? Do you think that's the thing?

You know what I'm saying? Maybe not for us. I'll speak for myself, personally. Like, I can see you, like, at Spotify. Like, you know? You know what I'm saying? Like, something like that. Is that something you're interested in?

Not me personally. And I think that I got those type of people in my band, but not me personally. OK, it's I'm a creative. That's that's who I am. I got ideas. You know, now can I see myself in a position where I'm, you creatively you know pushing this corporation consulting right absolutely but you know I think the the executive and the things is something that we would probably speak about and try to inspire young

people to aspire to but for us for me personally I love music man yeah I just want to I just want to rhyme and then beat. You know what I mean? That's where it is for me. Pure art. I definitely love music, as Davis said. But yeah, I could do it. I feel like, you know, I've had brothers try to push me to that place.

I wanna work at Apple. I just smoke too much independent level I've been doing it. Yeah, me too. He has empty labels. He's been doing a lot. I got a label called Van Miley. They said some long hours. I put out DVL and Scryce at one time. I currently got an artist by the name of Bill Ray. God damn it. So I have been foreseeing this internet thing well when we was coming up. Yeah, that's true.

Even from the likes of when Prince was seeing it. Even from when I saw it. They just lost on us? They just lost on us. Even when I saw it. They just saved Prince. Yeah, Prince. You got a Prince story?

Yeah, Prince. Prince. Prince. Prince. Prince. Prince. Prince. Prince. from when I saw it. You just lost on us? They just lost on us. Even when I saw it.

They just say Prince. Yeah, Prince. You got a Prince story? No, just no. Tell me you hung out with Prince. No, well. Because I heard he be floating around. No, I didn't get Prince.

You just said you had Prince for some reason. For what he forced you into. You know what I mean? Come on, Talib gave us a great Prince story. Was it Talib or was it Martin? I need to hear it, I need to hear it. You, you, you, oh, I'm sorry, I'm't mean to. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm here. I'm here. I'll put another one in there. Okay. I don't know. You want a tiger? Okay. I want a tiger. I'm not even in, but I'm up for doing it. Okay. All right. Take a tiger. I'm saying he's legendary in drink jazz. By the way

Just so you know I've never met Prince And I've never met Tupac I have never met Tupac I did kind of meet him He came to our show He came to our first half I got to talk about Prince

Yeah Although I want Prince Story's legendary It's like I'm stretching right now You talking about Prince? Yeah, Prince is getting retarded. Hold on, hold on. Prince Story is legendary in Prince Dance. It's like I'm stretching right now. Yeah, we have some great Prince stories in Prince Dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big Prince fan, just kidding. Oh, yeah?

Yeah, man. In my mind, I saw it in my brain when it came out, but I didn't. Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. What's the dude? Wait, wait, wait. What? OK, you ready?

Everyone got one? Pass the nose. No, no, no. It's me that's missing. OK. So pass the nose. First of all, we want to hear that. You want some more champagne?

Yes, please. I need some more champagne. Appreciate you, bro. OK, Salud. All right, Danny. Salud. Salud. Motherfucker.

The day that I sold, motherfucker. Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Okay, Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo.

Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo.

Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. Salo. I feel like I can breathe fire right now. I wake up in the morning and my body says, you're an idiot. That's the first thing that says to me. Your body?

My breath says that right now. It's like my brain. My brain texts into my heart and says, you're an asshole. Because that shit is horrible. Okay. We all ready. Let's hear this.

Well, we were working on, I want to say the A.O.Y. Mosaic Thump album. At one point... This better be good, Pasta News. Yeah! It's a Prince story. Basically, at one point, Amir, Questlove, basically, we was trying to work with him, see what he could contribute,

so I went out to Philly. The Roots? Yeah. So, Quest would always work out of Electric Lady. Electric Lady with the white cat. Hold on.

Listen, I know Electric Lady. That is Jimi Hendrix. That is Jimi Hendrix Studio. And the cat was Jimi Hendrix. We had called it. In this studio, Electric Lady, everybody, this cat is the weirdest cat in the world. Yo, believe that.

Nah. I know it's weird. I know the cat you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? It's just, why is this cat? The cat just come up, he just come and look at you, and you, it's Jimi Hendrix. You know that. It's like, yo, you just have to be a boss or something, you get your shit together.

I'm sorry, I had to, because your lady was a vibe. That's weird. Yeah, that's a weird vibe in this. That's a weird vibe in this. It's a weird vibe, man. That's weird pun, God bless the dead. Laid back from TV. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that story. That was that story. But look at that cat. Do you know the cat I'm talking about? You know I'm talking about that cat? That's weird. That's weird.

That nigga still here. Hey, the cat like 900. Look at that. I'm serious, it was weird. That nigga still here. Like 900. And the train passes by. And Prince shows up. Electric Lady. Basically, Electric Lady. I'm there with Amir. We trying these different ideas to try to present.

You gotta say Questlove, our fans don't know. Questlove, The Roots. You're flossing right now. You're calling these real names. That was big. That was a huge floss. I knew where you going. At one point we had a drum sample in this song we had for the Mosaic Thumbbubble called View.

Wow. And we wanted to see if Amir could play over it. Questlove. Yeah, Questlove. I know. Questlove, he could play over play over So when we get to To the session The session is set

In stone But when I get there Like Quest is telling me Like yo I'm sorry I'm like Sorry about what

Like yo The session is still going But You know The God is here I'm like What do you mean the God He's like Prince is here At I'm like, what do you mean the God? He's like, Prince is here.

At the time, Prince was in the studio and he was playing this new album for Warners. Now this is, I guess after the whole slave thing, I think he was back on track with Warner Brothers and he had this new album that he had. He was just assigned. So he took control over all the studios in Electric Lady. So that the Warner Brothers people could be listening

to all these different tracks. I'm a Prince fan, but as a man I was fucking pissed. Oh, hold on, basically you're saying Prince kicked you out the studio. Yeah, I was talking about the studio. Oh my God. You were out the studio. Oh my God.

I was like, I'm gonna got fucked up by Prince! Yeah! Jackson kicked me out. I'll kick you out. I got him now. But, you know, and like, Quest was with it. Like, everyone was with it. You know, the, I'm sorry, I forget her name. The young lady was running and managing Electric Lady.

She was like, yo, I'm sorry, but you know, I'm like, what do you mean you're sorry? This is my session. So, that Prince did come down. It was like, you know, he came to me like, you go like this. You said you'd slide the shit out of me? You said, Prince came up to you and said, What side nigga I'm on? He put his fingers like this. You ain't getting out of the studio right now. I need to know this. Did he have on purple?

I think he did. No! Come on! He can't wear purple all the time. Man. Oh, yeah! Come on! He can't wear purple all the time! I'm a fan! I'm a fan! Yo, I'm a fan. There's a purple track suit?

Yo, nah. Oh, shit. I'm a fan. I ain't never heard of this shit. Yo, I'm not a fan. Do you have a raspberry burrito? I'm a fan. But I just felt like, yo, that's fucked up that everyone felt like, what the hell did

you just do? You kicked me out of my section. Oh, I remember this. But I just felt like, yo, that's fucked up that everyone fell in love with this dude. He kicked me out of my session. But he kind of came down and politely apologized. But I'm such a fan, but I couldn't like, damn. I had to be like, yo, I'm pissed off. You ain't say it like that. I didn't say it. But in my face, I was like, yo, I'm a fan, but yo, you fucked up my session.

You a petty nigga. I ain't gonna lie, I would've folded. I would've been like, Prince, you can have my session, nigga. It's OK. You should have had me on the track or something. I was pissed at Quest. I was like, yo, the nigga just said, yo, the God is here. If it was his studio, I was like, yo. And is it true that Prince is like 4 God is here, like if it was his studio. Like I was like, yeah.

And is it true that Prince is like 4'11", too, right? Yeah, he's shorter than Fife. God bless the dead. Wow, wow. Prince is shorter. He was shorter than Fife. God bless the dead for Fife. Let's get one more side of him for Prince and Fife right now.

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Hip-hop, let's remember you for one thing, each one of y'all individually. Three black men stuck together through it all. Y'all niggas did stick together. Y'all niggas been together for a mad year. Y'all probably hate each other, keep it real. You know how that TV is. Y'all love each other, but y'all brothers,

y'all more brothers than your brother. I'm with somebody else. You know I know, I've got partners. But we didn't see it no other way. God did it this way. We're going to finish it this way. If anything, let's change the landscape. Let's get our roses while we're alive instead of dead.

And that's where this whole issue lies with individual one and the label. And just want to really just continue to do what we do, what we love to do. I love DJing and making music, man, creating and producing. They love what I'm saying, you know. And as you see where the ideas go with business, it's because of what we've gone through. So, of course, we can see ourselves in these executive positions on some form or another.

You know what I mean? Just to make it right for the future. And like Dave was saying, legislation, that's really more important. You know, changing the laws of how things have been structured. You know? Because even with the streaming,

it's still a little gray area there. If you look at it, it's a gray area there. There's still a gray area there. If you look at it, it's still a gray area there. You know what I mean? But we making change right here, right now. And it's a mentality that you're trying to do your best to get rid of, you know what I mean? In terms of the industry as a whole.

Funny enough, it's like saying that everyone makes such a big deal about this red MAGA hat. It's like, it's still like a MASSA hat. Like a make artist slaves again. It's like you got to get rid of that whole mentality for the entire record company. Right. Business, you know what I'm saying? Is that hat running around too? Well sure.

Make all the time. Without it being seen it is. Right. Shit. You know? The intention he's saying is there. That was like a nightmare. That shit went through my whole body when you said that.

But same question to you. If the last thing you would give hip hop, what would you give it? Honestly for me, we were creative dudes who had fun and just try to be blessed at giving the best we could within this industry in this music for me personally So what makes it I mean, I hope hopefully we could be the model Trying our best to make it work. It isn't always pretty. It doesn't always feel good. But at the end of the day, you know, I mean, in some cases, not all cases, if you work hard enough and you appreciate the magic

that you make with the people in your circle, it's kinda hard to go find it elsewhere. You know, you wanna keep that magic going. And I think that's what hip hop, for me, is. I know it is when you get that moment where you hear that beat. It's like oh, you know You write that verse. It's about the magic in it, right? It's like how it feels And I think even if whether it's it's we're talking about hip-hop as a body so What you guys are doing here, it feels good, it's a magic.

And I think when you can show that we can come together, sometimes worlds apart, and keep something going and build from it and make it better, and it create new things, that's important, man. That's what I would wanna, you know, wanna embody, you know, as what the De La do. Like just the idea of staying together through thick and thin and making things work. And giving that example to others

and letting them know that it's possible for them as well. All right. Y'all consider y'all a three man group. Right. You got the Migos, You got the Lox. What do you think y'all rank yourselves in? I mean, all three men. Right.

What do you think? I mean, I can't say rank and number. But I always say the future will tell, right? So I think right now we'll probably be that group, that three-man group that stayed together. That's the only thing I want to believe that we can ride on. And I'm not going to say the Migos are going to break up or whomever is going to break up. But, you know, staying together, we'll probably hold that record. I think we're going to hold that record.

Because it's more than business. Yeah, it's more than business. And it's more to come. And musically, it's safe to say that you guys haven't had a fair shot because your music hasn't been, the catalog hasn't fully been out there. It hasn't been introduced, yeah. So imagine if it was. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's easy to say you're the best

and you're number one. Right. But when you sit down and look at the facts. And say how long. Right. You know what I'm saying? When you look at the body of work

and how long you've been there and what you have done, that's what really kind of claims that we are the best of that category. So right now, 30 years. Talk to me when you hit like 15. You know what I mean? Talk to me when you hit like 20.

Talk to me when you hit 25. Yeah! That was all body weight, dude. That was all body language. That was all body language. So, just to reiterate something, so the fans understand, because we don't want to see your people just complain. I want to be clear of what De La Soul is saying that can rect rectify the situation so the fans are clear. Now we spoke to the label, we spoke to everybody, but we want to speak direct to the fans. This is what, who need this body of work.

They need to wake up in the morning, go jogging and stream, you know what I'm saying, these albums. So what is De La Soul actually asking for to rectify the situation? What can the fans do? What would y'all call the individual one? Yeah. Well, I would sincerely ask in support of the fans and the culture, yo, don't press play.

If it actually comes up, it comes up online, you know, don't press play until it actually comes up it comes up online you know don't press play until we give it a go so we actually say yo we happy thumbs up guys let's rock we made up because we made up you know I'm saying until we say we kiss a main up do not press play if anything you can get grind date you can you can definitely get a not a lot of my Nobody. You can get those two things. And whatever else we put out with the Pete Primo record, look out for that one and also look out for A.O.I. 3. I can get all that.

But all the other stuff from Bionics on down to 3 Feet High Rising, don't press play. There's nothing else I can do because let's be honest, fans are going to want to press play. Well hey man, you know, at the end of the day, it's your choice. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? They're going to press play because they know that you do press play.

What else could they do outside of that? Look, look, look. The story's the story. The truth is the truth. One thing I know, people do feel conflicted. We felt conflicted. I want them to have it. I really do.

But shit ain't right, period. So let's get it right. And if you want our support, don't press play. We gotta make a catchphrase and put that out there. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I concur. Cause it's like that Colin Kaepernick feeling Like people want to support cap but people still want to watch

Because you find a place out there, you know people out there that's playing you know, you Connected to the game your whole life. It's America's thing Just like hip-hop. It's America's thing. Just like hip hop, it's America's thing. It's the world's thing, it's an international thing. Yeah, and we ain't really still playing it fair. So. I'm glad we got to say this story the way it is, because, and I'm personally a witness

that you guys are not out here, you know how it feel like, you know, the older you get, you guys are not out here You know, I feel like you know the older you get you get people out here complain And it is like that I personally know that everything you guys are saying is true Cuz yeah, I'm in that boat with y'all like I said like y'all in the front I'm in the I'm in the back of it, but I don't nonetheless be the same bus. This is going down. We all want that I'm not happy you going through that when it it's good to know because it strengthens everything. It's the same as actually. It's the same as actually. It strengthens the whole shit.

And that's one of the things, unfortunately. It's like, you know, the powers want to silence us, De La, specifically. What'd you say? I'm sorry. The power. I'm going to call it the power, individual, one and whomever. They want to silence us de la specifically what you said i'm sorry the power i'm gonna call it the power individual one and whomever they want to silence us they cannot because they know brothers like you exist and naughty by nature and queen latifah let's go and all of us you know what I mean? And it's like... And even outside of that entity. And let me also give the props to Pop Daddy and the Revolt staff.

This is very important. It is. Listen, let me just tell you something. Every people we interview right now, that shit ain't coming out till June. They pushing this up. They don't do that. They putting the claim the this is how important this is

and I'm just telling you something there be people like we be trying and they'll they'll front they these people

and we said they said let's go and push it was their idea to push it up to bring up to the the Revolt staff

you know that's holding us down and they understand how important y'all message is that you know Amen. So big up to the Revolt staff that's holding us down. And they understand how important y'all message is. Because sometimes we hold episodes, like exhibit episodes. We damn near did that shit last year. It's coming out this week. You know what I'm saying? Because it's not a timely thing.

Where did she be last year? You know what I'm saying? But this issue was so important that all of the staff got together like everybody big up to Erica rich everybody Michelle Robin Cherise because of all them like this issue was so important for hip-hop to stand behind y'all and say, you know what? Y'all not alone. Right, right, right.

You know what I'm saying? Back then, whatever it was, we need to stand together and we need ownership of these properties that we made. That's the blood, sweat, and tears that went into these albums. You know what I'm saying? That's hard work. And we were all young and might have signed some dumb shit-ass contract. Fuck that.

That contract, let's make it even so we can and you know what we're not saying even kicked you out i tried to buy the i tried to buy my we tried to as well i heard i heard i heard i i when i tried to buy it was at rhino it wasn't that morning right so um but moving on um so i just wanted to let y'all know that I personally identify. You know what I'm saying, man? I wanted the fans to know. Because, you know, there's always going to be these young fans. Oh, those old guys. And they don't understand what's going on.

No, we're not here complaining, man. Exactly. This is not a complaint. We're not out here, you know, chasing the check either. This is about doing the right thing. not out here chasing the check either. This is about doing the right thing. That's all it is. And hopefully it'll, yeah.

The unfortunate thing in the record business, there is no good business. No, definitely not. You know, and unfortunately, that's been the case for a long time. I mean, movies like, what's the name of that show? Cadillac Records. Cadillac Records and all that,

that's documenting the same stories. Entertainment's Cadillac Records and all that. That's documenting the same stories. Entertainment's been a record for years. Right. And it's just now. Right. It's the same thing.

This is really about hopefully doing the right thing about our artists and respecting the culture, man. We want folks to respect this, man. Like,

outside of the culture, y'all need to respect this. You earning from it. Right. You need to respect what we do. In all fairness to being 17 years old, signing a contract, fresh out of high school, working at Texaco gas station. Think of a Texaco. You know what I mean?

I was at business school. I was at business school. I was at business. I was at business. I was getting my 50s on Texaco, nigga. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I picked them up. You're not at the odds of a record deal versus pumping gas at Texaco. What you going to take? It's real shit. And have it, following all the rules of what you learning vicariously through the music

are like a KRS-One who's actually saying, yo, guys, get a lawyer. Daddy-O from Stats saying, yo, guys, get a lawyer. Chuck D in this music, he's saying the same thing. You know, when they want to address different issues of... So we've done that. We've done all of that.

We did our best to read our contracts and have a lawyer. This is, yeah, In addition to that man What we fighting for Is nothing that we based our lives on We didn't live off of Royalties We worked hard for life

So it's not like We're fighting Because we've You know We've even Been able to see what could come to us. We've never tasted any of that. We're just fighting for the fact that we can possibly leave this stuff to our families. Did the sampling issue have any effect on any of this current stuff?

Yeah. Are they trying to make up the money from that? I don't know what they're trying to do, yeah. Oh yeah. Cause I was trying to say they trying to make up the money from that. I don't know what they're trying to do man. All we know is... But there are things that are from the past pending. Everything. Things are still pending. Because that was all new back then for hip hop.

Pretty much. Nobody knew that was going to happen. Like you guys kind of opened that door to it. Well yeah. You figured hip hop was still very localized, you know, New York hip hop could be New York hip hop, Texas hip hop could be Texas hip hop, and so on. So I mean, like, if you're talking about a record selling

in New York and it's only going to sell a certain amount of copies, it was on a record company to say to themselves, like, look, this is going to hit New York, Philly, DC. I, as a record company, don't see that necessarily we could clear the sample, because, this is going to hit New York, Philly, D.C. I, as a record company, don't see that I necessarily need to clear the sample because it ain't going to really go no way outside of that. And I'm going to also, remember what you said, I'm going to also tell you what I think fucked up a lot of things, right? What happened was they would ship out these records, right?

And these records, so let's suppose you shipped out 500,000. You had 30 days on the return of those records, correct? If those records didn't return, they would automatically say you're gold. Yup. Yup. You know what I'm saying, what I'm saying? You would automatically be gold,

but you would immediately be old then. Right. Yes. Chargebacks on the other ones. So those records could actually come back. They had 30 days to come back. If they didn't come back 30 days, they count it as a sale. And that's how they jerked us. That's one way they jerked us.

There's many ways they jerked us. Holy moly guacamole. One of the ways, buddy. Things got on me immediately. Hold on, that's what we want. Many waves. Derek County is amazing. That's not, that was crazy. And then it was, I remember like, you know, you said it.

You said it earlier. I remember like them charging me for shit overseas that I'd never been to. I was like, yo, you had a billboard or the stuff. Nigga, back then there was no internet. So I'm like, I had a billboard in London, for real? What? You had a Times Square in Japan. There was no pictures back then. But they would charge you for shit like that.

You like, what the fuck? I know I'm not bugging you. I know what I'm talking about. I feel like I'm in church right now. I'm preaching, god damn it. I got the ghost of the Holy Spirit. I feel like I'm in church right now. I'm not preaching, god damn it. I got the ghost of the Holy Spirit. I could air out people that we both know, but I won't air them out right now,

that are friends of ours, when I worked in marketing, that got caught with me by accident. Faking shit that they were writing off to the artist, getting paid in their pocket, and I wasn't getting paid as a street team And then by accident check came to me accidentally

Called them out at that moment, and I said I'm keeping this check because it's in my name. And they called me, no, no, give me some of that. I said no, no, no, no, no. No sir. And I get none of this check. I feel like this is a Def Jam. I don't know. Will you whistle? It was a big check. Will you whistle if I say it, if I get close?

No, I just, yeah. It's not like I'm saying the first name. Oh yeah, so it's Def Jam, bud. No, I'm sure. I'm glad you came up. I'm glad it was you. I know exactly who it is, yeah. I'm glad it was you. I'm glad it was you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Because you know what happened was, the reps and the labels, they would overcharge for everything they did for you guys.

And they would not purchase this or not pay for this. And the street teams, they were just happy. Street teams are fans. They're happy to be working these records so we would do whatever whenever for these horses and the street team exec the guy running the street scene that the label would take advantage of that right i wasn't the guy to take advantage of i'm just talking for myself i would get mad self I already knew what's happening but I never had the proof of the check right a check came in the mail for a lot of money for a big morning weekend usually get paid a little bit more Monday more did we get those days this time this chick was this big right and this

is we use a back to our I said, I got you. Let them live, take a nap in bed. Let them live. Yeah, this industry is crazy. Industry is crazy. We heard all the same stories, man. We heard we had people who really appreciate who we were as an audience, as a group. You know, let us know, like, look man, in your contract, Somebody's smoking a dirty?

Yeah, smells some crazy. That don't smell good. I don't know, my man. So I'll do my homies from Columbia. Let them live. Let them live. Let them live. I don't know, my man, I don't know who it is. So this is my homies from Columbia, let them live. Let them live, let them live. They're coming home to Columbia right there. Let them live, let them live.

Let them live, man, we in Miami Film Festival. They don't know I'm here. We smoking, I mean I'm not smoking, but they smoking. They don't know me shit right there. We smoke a little smoke. I mean I'm not smoking but they smoke a little. I think he's smoking too. Daddy right there. Shit got caught up in there y'all. Let Paul finish his talk. I'm talking about just settle that one.

Fuck it me up. I got to light this to try to compete. Because this shit is strong. He got to smoke that outside. I don't know what he's smoking, but that ain't weed. Then let's go. Okay, he's just distracted. I'm gonna try to keep him straight face. You don't smell that shit.

I'm not the only keep him straight, man. Nah. You want this? You smell that shit? Oh, shit. I'm not the only nigga that smells that shit. I smell that shit. I smell that shit. You smell that, right? You smell it. Homie, can you go outside with that big... It's all right, please.

I don't care. You got the rhythm. Your bitch face so red, because he's embarrassed. Nah, these my homies that I brought down to come fast for. Yeah, that one's mad. That nigga smoking something different. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm, you my homies that I brought down from Compass. Yeah, that one's mad. That nigga smoking something different. I smoke, I'm up here right now. They got some extra smokes.

I'm sorry, I come here. I'm up here, I'm up here. You went too far. I was just saying how, um, we could have people, and I don't need to put their names up there, but people from the label respectfully letting us know, like, yo, you know this particular single could've did this, but the machine pulled back

because if it would've did what it was supposed to do, that it was naturally doing, we would've got being you know so it's that type of stuff i mean like it was being at uh shit it was being up at like time go and rush like you know just learning how you know these are the companies assign artists as this tax write-off so you know like so you know the business is a... And let them flop on purpose, correct? Yeah, you know. Give you that money so you can owe so many... No, they purposely tanked that person's career. Yeah. We had that with Mother Superior from Miami. An amazing artist from Miami.

We thought she was it. They called her the female Nas. Come out of Miami and Island Music sheltered her. Yeah, it's a lot of shit. That's a lot of shit, man. Well, they lie. One thing we don't want to do is... We got them to mean gate. It's like you see that.

Look at this. The British walkers. The British walkers. The British walkers tell them, you can slide it when you walk. You can slide when you walk. I see you, I see you, bro. Okay, my brother. Listen, man.

Okay, you want me to sit down? One thing with the British walkers, they don't have to be like, you know, you're a rocker. You're a rocker. You're a rocker. You're a rocker. You're a rocker. You're a rocker. You're a rock walk. You can slide it when you walk. I see you, I see you, bro. I'll pay my brother.

Listen, man, okay, you wanna say something? One thing I wanna do is bash you. Definitely tell the story for what it is. It's history. Yeah, it's total history of what it is. You know, it's bad history, once again, but let's hope it just makes a real change. It's a lot of good stuff.

It's a lot of good stuff. A lot of good stuff. You say that when you say bad history, you but let's hope it's a lot of good shows you say when you say bad history say the business practice but you guys have amazing career business practice but based on the perception of the company that represents hip-hop and that Tommy Boy logo is the hip-hop you know that's the beat boys dance you know representing the hip- you know that's the b-boy stance you know representing the hip hop and still practicing the business model that's like that's definitely like slavery is the moral of the story that none of these companies are really hip-hop like they don't represent you we can't say they represent hip-hop ultimately at the end of the day or do you know that business is business, man.

No, no, that's what I'm saying. Business and art, they don't do everything. You know, it's yin and yang. Yeah, it's kind of all the same. You are what you negotiate, you know what Lior and Russell would say. Yeah. You know?

You don't get what you work for, you negotiate, that's what they say. You get what you negotiate. Fucking terrible. You know, I hear it, in times, you know, we may get overcast ourselves or maybe even undersell ourselves, depending on the person you are, you know, depending on where you're at in that moment in time in your life and what you need versus what your situation is at the time, you know.

So it's all give and take. Here it is, even hip-hop at that time. It was independent for all of them. Def Jam, Tommy Boy, Select Records. I mean, from the time I had been conceiving it, Yeah, they were seeking major. from 81, 82, you know. I think, you know, from what I do know, Tommy Boy's relationship with Warner Brothers

hadn't been with everything. They were still doing their thing. It's why they did Penalty, because I think they even saw themselves as a Sony So I could see why you say they were major Because they didn't see themselves like Def Jam they've been in the game longer than Def Jam when you think about it Yeah, you know putting out records. Yeah, yeah, yeah records doing their thing, you know How many albums you have with them? Six?

Six, six albums doing their thing you know how many I was under the six six six and then there's another album they made up on y'all right take a live record man I just want to salute y'all so much. I just want y'all to know that hip hop is with y'all. We with y'all. Drink Champs is with y'all. We know you're not out here complaining. Y'all out here talking the truth.

We out here claiming what is y'all. What should be rightfully y'all's. You know what I'm saying? And I just want to salute you guys to y'all face. You know what I'm saying? And I just want to salute you guys to y'all's face, you know what I'm saying? I want to salute you. I want to salute your friends. For real, I want to salute the entire culture that truly stepped up for us.

You know what I mean? And helped us make the noise. You know what I mean? And truly seeing what's really wrong with this whole thing. And yo, honestly, whatever he decides to do, whatever he decides to do is what he decided to do at this point. You know, I wanna move on with my life.

And like I said, I don't know if I said it earlier, he's, when I spoke to him, I spoke to him through a third person, I don't know, I called Randy after, I told Randy, I said, yo, would he call in? And he said he didn't wanna call in. He said, oh, you wasn't hearing that part. No, it was earlier, I was trying to get him to call in and he said that he didn't want to call in. He said, oh, you wasn't here for that part.

I was trying to get him to call in, and he said that he didn't want to call in because he's actually trying to work it out with you. That's true. With your brother. That's true. So he's trying to work it out with your brother, so he didn't want to mess this up by, you know, getting on and stuff. So I respected that, and I didn't push it. So that's true.

Yeah, that's true. Okay. That's true. I mean, that's what we're trying to do. That's what we've been trying to do. We just want to find a happy place with all this, man. And we've been really open to all the dialogue coming in from people hearing about this,

fans or even people just kind of like on the outside, whether they can sound like, yo, we support you. Or they can be like, why did you sign this or why did you do this? So hopefully, man, even on their side, hopefully they have people having a constructive criticism and speaking to them. If you see them, see Tom, see, speak to him.

You know? I think he can listen to this interview and actually lead the way You know said because there's a lot of people who need these out. I mean Beyond watching me these hours. This is a part of hip-hop. That is a Tell the story of hip-hop and did not have that there because right now it isn't there it's just not there That's like having an empty book. That's like having a book with no chapters.

And that's being able to see the dual value. The value is in the culture and the history as well as your pocket. And if you only got a concept of one, that's where the problem lies. You know what I'm saying? And seeing where y'all came in on this, so young and early, maybe he should understand that,

yo, he just has to break even on this to make more money in other areas. Absolutely. Nobody wants to be the Fyre Festival guy, Tom. Oh. Don't be the Fyre Festival guy, Tom. Woo! Don't be that guy.

Not even that. Don't be the Fyre Festival guy. Make him laugh at that. No. Not even that. Don't be the fucking guy. Make him laugh for that. No. I feel that. Not even just that. It's just what we have been able to sustain and achieve since they left. Oh, absolutely.

We've been doing our thing and been holding our corner. Had we not been holding our corner, we probably never said anything. You know what I mean? We would have took whatever little liquid that was coming on this chance to say you know what these are kids that I signed There's a kid that was part of the career When and now they're grown men let me do business with them as Your turn to do that and you can lead the way right now I say you know what I'm gonna treat them like you can read them contract that for these kids that they saw when they were 20 17 culture situation so you know what I'll be a business partners

from here on out yeah partners yeah it's the key word right that was a question sometimes good partners walk away and they and they let the Kind of long as they cannot walk away. No, I'm saying like he's not Maybe not or whatever. I'm saying is I'll be about him He's on the Jordan's memory and all the others based on what the language has been in the contract He can't truly do what he wants. I'm really Say doesn't have to we is what we're all saying. Yeah, he can make it right.

The ball is on his court. He can do right by it. Hip hop is looking down. Now it's not just y'all and him talking. That's true. It's hip hop talking to him. True. Hip hop.

Yeah, I need that clap. I need that clap. And I truly believe, you know, he should make the right decision. He should. He should, he should, he should, he should move forward because That's something he will.

I don't think he needs the, I don't think he needs it. I don't think so. No. I think he's well off. Yeah. So, why not make the people. And if he does need it,

become good partners with these guys I'm trying to count his pockets, right exactly You motherfuckin' lefty. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. For real. For real. Okay. Mama, I don't know if you forgot to say it, like, cause Dave brought it to our attention, like, when we was obviously all at Tommy Boy, you came in to interview us for something.

I was already interviewing you. You was doing that, Danny. Okay, damn. Like 93. You feel, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, 93, I was in jail. You bugger. Okay.

All right. And like 96. 97, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, 93, I was in jail. You bugger. Okay. All right. And like 96. 97, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna write a great jail story, though. Oh! Oh! Yeah, I was in jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trying to get a little bit of heat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get me out of there. Get me out of there. Get away from me. 96, 97, yeah. I'm gonna tell you what I had to do, a little camera. Yeah!

A little camera. For some reason, I knew the internet was gonna be the internet. I had the little camera. Yeah. For some reason I knew the internet was gonna be the internet. I don't know why. I used to always film everything. I knew. I knew. I knew. I knew.

I knew the truth. You know what? I didn't know the internet would be the internet. What is it I knew better than a description? I knew information was instant. And we wasn't living in that time. Right, right, right, right right i just knew that like that's what i was saying earlier was i i was appalled that when i dropped the record my fans in london

wouldn't get it simultaneously yeah like that would bother me who really did it for me was mf dome oh my god that's because we don't even know if the nigga MF Dume is performing or not. I'm joking. Technically, that nigga had seven shows in one night. Let me show you. That nigga ain't filming. And let me let you know, all of that worked for him. All of it worked for him.

The mysterious shit, right? The mysterious, bad villain. Like, it's only a handful of dudes that can do a show, actually set up a show and not show up. Right. And he's one of them. We're going to have MF Dume on drink check. We're going to have MF Dume on drink check. It's only a handful of dudes that can do a show, actually set up a show and not show up. Right. And he's one of them.

We're going to have to do one drink chat so you ain't not know if it's him or not. He's born to do that. Real shit. Yo, honestly, you may have to wrap shit up. I'm just trying to say, like, back then, even this nigga called it,

like, yo, man, this dude did a dope job. Like he could do this shit. He said that then. Like when you were in the camera. About me, about me, I was in the camera. Yeah, he was like, yo, like. Yeah, that's real.

You know what I'm saying? So to see you doing this. Oh man, I seen this shit. Goddamn, the niggas were in my car all night. Yo, appreciate y'all brothers. Appreciate y'all brothers. I swear to God, y'all's story is so real. It's so real, so touching to me, you know what I'm saying?

I would have to be leading the same campaign. Now, I figured once I heard y'all, I said, and it wasn't even about me leading my campaign, it was about me joining y'all's, you know what I'm saying? And jumping on and supporting y'all, which y'all need first. I would like, I'm not even wanting to negotiate my shit. I want y'all's shit to be right first for me to even consider it.

And then I'm going to follow y'all lead, you know what I'm saying? Because that's what it is. It's not about being selfish. Sometimes it's about being with the people. So I'm standing with y'all first. And we have you and mine, man. You know what I'm saying? Got y'all.

I'm going to follow y'all first. You first! Right. Seriously. Love y'all motherfuckers. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! y'all first. You first! Love y'all, motherfuckers! Love y'all!

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