Drink Champs - Episode 163 w/ Birdman

Episode Date: April 5, 2019

N.O.R.E & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On this episode the Champs chop it up with the #1 stunna, Cash Money Records CEO Birdman. They talk about early beginnings, Cash Money Records and working with artists like Drake, Lil Wayne and much more. Follow Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One of his DJ EFN. Together, they drink it up with some of the biggest players. You know what I mean? In the most professional, unprofessional podcast. And your number one source for drunk facts. It's Drink Champs motherfucking podcast. Where every day is New Year's Eve. It's time for Drink Champs.

Drink up, motherfucker. What it good be? Hopefully, it's what it should be. This your boy, N-O.R.E. What up, it's DJ E.F.N. And it's Drink Chats, motherfucking happy hour. Make some noise! And when we started this show, we said we wanted to interview legends.

We wanted to interview people that's in this game 10 years or more, that's making a mark, and that's standing here. And when I'm still looking in front of this brother right here, he is one of the most remarkable CEOs. He has changed so many people from the hoods' lives. Made them millionaires.

Made them stars. Right now, I got the three hottest fucking people in the fucking world still signed to him. Right now. Going through a couple

of different decades. Had the original cash money. And then now everything that's going on. In case you don't know who the fuck we talking about, we talking about Birdman. Make some noise! Make some noise! Now, you were like the cash money period were like the inventors of being independent. Definitely. of like being independent. So how did you guys go from like, you know,

being in New Orleans, being independent and to, you know, Universal getting wind of you guys and then coming on board? And the difference between independence before you guys, like the Ruthless Records and the Lou Records, what was the difference from then to you guys? I kind of studied all them guys who did it before me. But just to bring you to the essence of where I come from, how we come up,

just growing up in a boy's home and just being in the streets all my life, we lost a lot. So I just felt like when the universe approached us, I was already five, six years independent. And I felt like we had blood on this money already. So I refused to give up anything. I was a young man, and that was my mentality. It wasn't about the money.

It was about me being able to own my shit. And I just felt like we lost so much to gain so little. So none of that shit even didn't even matter to me that's what it is that's what it's going to be if not I could continue doing what I'm doing because I was making millions of dollars a month anyway so when I went up to New York to visit with whoever we were going to visit with it was going to be my way or no way our way or no way period wow how did you develop that mentality? Because so many people at the time, baby,

they were getting advances, and they were happy with that, and grind some, you know, a couple of cars and sneakers. All the bigger pictures. How did you see the bigger picture? Now everybody wants to be black excellence and blacked on,

but you was doing this shit. 20 summers ago. Yes, I'm trying to say. When I came in the game It was just like I just felt like You know I lost so much

But I lost My whole family And then a bunch of my partners And all the niggas to me Died To see me be successful Or see us be successful So I ain't felt like

How could I give somebody Something that they didn't work hard for But I was thinking That music How can I give somebody something that they didn't work hard for? I'm just making that music. How can I give anything up that people died for? So I went up there with that mentality, and it was going to be that or nothing. We wasn't hurting for no money. We was already making millions of dollars a month. It wasn't about the money.

I still wanted a great deal. How hard was that? Because in the beginning you know hip-hop was in the east coast it didn't win west coast it didn't win south and even when it went south it took a while for it to come to louisiana right you understand i'm saying so how hard was that and even when it went it kind of like went to texas first and so how hard was it you got to see the ghetto boys you got to to see them. Yeah, I was inspired through all that. But New Orleans always had a culture.

Right. We was able to move and do what we do throughout New Orleans, Texas, Atlanta, throughout the South, Alabama, all them areas. So for us, we were still generating a lot of money. And we were putting out a lot of music every month. So once I got the hustle of it, and it was spreading. So back in them days, you had to do it from the turf.

You had to be in the ghetto with that shit. We were in every neighborhood, every project in America. We didn't bend to that motherfucker. So for me and for us, we were just trying to really just get out together. And I found the hustle, which was music. And we just stuck with it just get out together. Right. And I found The Hustle, which was music, and we just stuck with it. Kept it pimping. Woo!

God damn it, God damn it. Yo, you still don't know how to open up champagne, brother. You know there's a classic way of opening up champagne. We don't got to do it around hood niggas. You press down on it, and then you open it up. There's no noise. Right behind you, too. Right behind me in my fucking ear, man.

The fuck? You know how many things? That shit just reminds me of something's no noise. Right behind me in my fucking ear, man. The fuck? You know how many things? That shit just reminds me of something bad, brother. You got to get your life together, man. You know, Neff, you come up in this era. Exactly. You know? Yo, let me just tell you something,

um, Birdman. Yo, ever since my encounters with you, this is why it was important for me to do this interview because my encounters with you, you're a man of your word.

If you tell me, yo, are we going to do something? We have always did it day one day one and I gotta get this shit up a lot of times I see people you know go on the internet and their opinions and their opinions is their opinions I don't you know that's them but I gotta speak up for you you know I'm saying I to speak up for you. You know what I'm saying? I got to speak up for you. If every encounter with me for 22 years has been pleasant, has been real nigga shit, I got to stand by that. You know what I'm saying?

I can't sit around and just, you know what I'm saying, see, oh, let me get some a little bit more. You ain't drinking champagne, right? No, I'm straight. You got your own, right? You got your own. God damn it. All right.

All right, cool. And I brought you that bottle of 20 bands. Yes, I ain't going to lie. I'm putting that in the crib. I ain't going to lie. I'm Birdman. I'm putting that in the crib, cool. And I brought you that bottle of 20 bands. Yes, I ain't gonna lie. I'm putting that in the crib. I ain't gonna lie. Birdman, I'm putting that in the crib, man. Like, I got... Fuck these niggas here, man.

I'm putting that in the crib. My niggas don't deserve that, bird. My niggas don't deserve that. I don't even deserve that. I got you in the trenches. That's right. In your neck of the woods. Let me keep...

Let me keep bigging you up. So, I'm gonna tell you what happened. I went to New Orleans, and I was trying to get a record from Master P. Right? You remember what year this is? This was like 97 or something like that. Fresh off of War Report or fresh off NRE? This is War Report.

NRE is not. Okay. No, no, no. This is after NRE. Yeah, because the record of them was I remember I was out there and some girl said, you gotta fuck with Cash Money. And I ain't hear it, niggas.

So I was like, what? And she had put me on a Juvenile, I think it was 400 Degrees before the The High Record? It was before the High Record and I was motherfucking Cash Money'd out at that moment. So then, I did a fine linked up with you on the Melvin Flynn album in New York and you told me, I had just

won a Juvenile at the time and you said, nah, this little nigga right here is going to be the biggest thing in the game. Lil Wayne. Yup, Lil motherfucking Wayne. And to be honest with you, he was so shy back then. You know, remember, he was, he didn't use to talk. So when I looked, I just trusted you and I believed you. And if you remember that record, I let Lil Wayne go first.

You know what I'm saying? But you told me that years ago, when Juvenile was the hottest in the game. You, how did you develop foresight in seeing talent like that? I just think it's one of my gifts I can see that shit

before they see it in themselves and I believe in it and I give my all to it and we ride with it until we make it happen that doesn't mean that it's going to happen fast we didn't come up in the social media era. You had to do that shit a different way.

Right. But I think it's just one of my gifts, brother, that always, and I believe in it. If I feel it, I'm going with it. I ain't going to think twice about it. Right. And I think one of my blessings is I was an artist. Right. And I know how artists think and what they need to paint, how they paint their picture,

and I let a nigga do they thing and I get out the way. Right, right. Now you and Juvenile, y'all doing an album together now, correct? Yeah. So how did that come about? Juvenile, me and Niall just stayed in touch, bro. And I just personally feel like Juvie,

he's a nigga that's born to rap. He's one of the best. He really can rap, you know what I mean? And I wanted to, you know, Juvie signed to Cash Money, you know,

now. Right. And I just felt like, for now, this is a great way to bring you back. I don't want to just throw you out there

because I think he got so much to offer. And talent-wise, he a bad motherfucker. You know what I mean? So I thought this would be a great way to let him do this and then go do his thing. You know what I mean? Because he definitely born to rap

and he going to impress a lot of motherfuckers with this project and with future projects that we going to do together. I do be a bad motherfucker now. But you got, right now, presently, you have one of the do be a bad motherfucker now, but you got, right now, presently, you have one of the number one records in the world, Bust Down, Tatiana? Yeah.

That's on Cash Money West? Holy moly, let's pick up the goddamn- Nigga, you can't stop getting money, goddamn it. This nigga can't stop getting money. This nigga just getting money. So, so, so, cause obviously, you know, from your affiliation, we see, you know, Wack. Right. Wack, who's wear is red.

You wear red. Definitely. How does someone come to you and say, this is a young brother. I believe he's grip. And does that make a decision in who you sign? No. Okay. So, it's about pure talent?

What made me was me and Whack always had a relationship. It started with the beat thing. You know what I mean? Me going to Cal a lot. And I moved to California and I said, you know,

my love for music, I want to go over there and start a vibe. Let's get a vibe going. So I hit Whack and said, let's start Cash Money West.

I want you to run the whole, you be the punk, you do your thing. And you from the turf. And just to make the artists feel cool, they got one of their own to represent what we're doing. And we put the play together and Blueface and Young Savvy is the first two artists we signed from CMW. Wow, wow. And Blueface is taking off. He done took off.

He done took off. He done took off. Goddamn, make some noise for Blueface. I think that's dope too because, see, us,

you know, on the East Coast, we grew up just thinking like when the blood sees a crib, it's automatic, you know what I'm saying? And nowadays,

it's more like about the green. For me, you know, I'm an old head in this game. I ain't tripping. If a youngin' got talent, we gonna do it. Well, Death Row was the blueprint of that as well.

You know what? I forgot about that. I forgot that Chug was actually a... Yeah, they had Bloods and Crips. You know, God was... Battlefax, Savvy, and Blueface, both on Crips. Both on Crips. Both on Crips.

Do you ever get slack from like the Blue Bloods? No, I mean, we're just looking for talent. I ain't, man. Shit, we're trying to make money. I ain't with the bullshit, man. I ain't trying to be tied to the bullshit. All we want to do is make money and do great business with these youngsters and keep building brands and turning them into millions,

hundreds of millions, into billions. That's the whole play. So when you're thinking like that, you ain't even got time for the small talk. That's bullshit. We just trying to take this young man and make him as successful as possible,

build him to be as big as possible. That's all that matter, bro. Wow. On. Wow. God damn, make some noise for that goddamn man.

Now what's my man name? The king of R&B? What's his name? Jacquees, man. Jacquees. What's up with him? He had to hit it that bad at the end for like a week. So proud of that young man, what's his name? Jacquees. What's up with him? He had to hit it that bad for like a week. So proud of that young man.

I've been working with Jacquees for going on five years. Day one, I saw stardom in it. Wow. There's a process in this shit. Right. I stuck with him. We believed in him.

I think right now, 2019, this. Right. And I stuck with him. We believed in him. And I think right now, 2019, this is you. Wow. For all the hard work he put in here. Great young man. Comes from a great family. And I think he gonna be

one of the best for a long time. Wow. Not just saying that because he with me because he's talented. He write. He can write.

He going there. You know, young niggas doing five, six, ten songs a day Man They really chopping it down So for me with him I'm going to work with him

And we going to hustle real hard He got his own company That I didn't embrace Called FYB With his own artists His single of his new album Come out on the 22nd Then his album coming out

Either April or May, whenever he choose to drop it. Okay. But I really expect a lot of big things out there, young man. And this gonna be the year in the turn of print.

And we believe in him day one and we gonna continue to believe in him and let him paint his picture and do his thing. Done, done deal. Is it safe to say Game's game album

will be on Cash Money West? Say that again? Is it safe to say that Game album will be on Cash Money West? Say that again? Is it safe to say that Game's album, being that Game is managed by Whack Whack, is running Cash Money West? Game is one of my closest friends. I really like Game. And if I ever got a chance, ever, got a chance to work with Game, trust me, it's going to happen.

Okay. So that's like almost? That's like maybe? If I ever got a chance? I think he's... You could put Game in a boat with the Wayne, the Kendricks, the Drakes. This man is the real... That's what we said.

This nigga born to rap. You got a few niggas really born to rap. You know what I mean? We kind of felt like Game was super dope, but we felt like he didn't need to take certain tactics

that he was taking this route around, like with the Kanye thing. We didn't agree with that because we thought that Game is too nice for that. He's too good. He's too talented.

Literally, he could get to that same... My point of embracing him, he can do whatever the fuck he want to do. However he want wanna do it but I believe in his talent and I'm gonna bring

my expertise to the table what would I bring to the table I come with power with this shit and I think he's a superstar

have you ever dealt with something like that like where an artist we're gonna talk about an artist that you're maybe cool with like you know

like if you was cool with Kanye and game went at Kanye's wife have you may be cool with like you know like like if you was cool Kanye and game When that Kanye's wife have you ever been involved or something like that? We wanted to change something or something like that. You got Business yeah Nothing to say about it. They get it out. They live Thug with it. Whatever they want to do with it. Fuck it. Just leave it over there. I ain't got nothing to say.

God damn. Make some noise. God damn. So, in the beginning, there was a cash money rough rider tour. D&Y to my partner, Swiss, all them boys. We grew up together in this game. Yes, picked them up. Number of respect.

But I'm not going to lie to you. No one thought that tour was going to survive. The whole round. Yo, I'm talking about even like the openers was killing us. Like everybody was just shooting up. Hey, man, 50 Cent opened up. That's what I'm saying. 50 was the opener.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So how was that? How was, because, you know, again, at the time, New York was running shit so much that they didn't really acknowledge other places. But this, you motherfuckers are the hottest people on the motherfucking planet. How did that, you know, not only New York embracing you, but the world somewhat looking at, you know,

New Orleans from here on out? Honestly, bro, we was young and we didn't give a fuck. Wow. To keep it true. You remember? We were just young,

excited to be out the project. I used to have a bus with at least a hundred with me. My whole neighborhood was with us. So we wasn't already tuned into what we was doing. We were just happy to be out together making money. And we could buy our mom's houses and cars. We wasn't tuned in to after all that shit. To like, nah, let's take, you know what I mean?

We're going to take this shit serious and get jiggy with it. Let's see that we can make a hundred million Couple of hundreds Of billion dollars In this shit But when we was doing Them tours We was just running around Having fun Getting money Not really knowing

I see footage of y'all Going to the stores Popping champagne Yeah We was just enjoying That shit Just to be You know what I mean

Just like a dream Come true Cause this shit happened At a real young age For all of us You know what I mean So when we got All that money like that, nigga thought they was dreaming.

Facts. How old were y'all when you got the deal, the distribution deal? I signed my deal. I probably was 19 making 20. Wayne and I have been playing with millions of dollars since they was 13, 14 years old, man. You hear me? So we grew up in the music business.

I've been with universal 23 years and i was seven years independent before that so you know it should have been like we grew our life up in the music business and at a young age playing with a lot of money wow wow, that fucked me up just now. 19. That fucked me up. Fucking redoing it, 19. So at some point, right, it looked like Juvenile had left or Turk had left or BG had left. And it looked like it was just you, Manny, and Wayne at one point. Yeah. Did you have any doubt?

You know, because at the time, Wayne was not the man. Definitely. And I remember him like somewhat putting cash money on his back but again that was like you know it's like your son so are you thinking like this is the one or i'm thinking this is the one because this is my son when all that shit took place bro um kind of fuck with me because I never thought it could happen. Meaning people were like, you know,

we just go separate knowing how hard we come up. We really started with nothing and I blessed niggas. I gave my life to this shit.

Honestly, I put my everything on the line. If I was going to die, I was going to die. If I had to kill, I was going to, whatever had to be done,

I was with that shit. So when it did happen The same day it happened Wayne came to me like Cause I was in my feelings About this shit like Y'all niggas know what it is Nigga y'all know what it is

Y'all know what it is He was like man Fuck them niggas man I'm better than all them niggas Together anyway That shit woke me up I said you know what You right Fuck them niggas Let's go That shit woke me up. Right, right, right. I said, you know what? You're right.

Fuck them niggas. Let's go. And that shit turned me up. We ain't never look back. And what's the first record when you seen, like from that moment, that you seen Rain perform? And you was like,

all right, this nigga was right. And you right. He was dropping mixtapes. Oh yeah, mixtapes. Oh yeah, mixtapes. Okay, all right. And I went to his show. And I'm thinking.

And he knew the words. No, I'm just peeping him. Okay. I'm just peeping him because I'm used to always being on stage with him. Right. So he was like, I got this tonight. You chill out. I want you to watch me.

Wow. When I saw that shit, I was like, let's go. Wow. I knew he had it. I always knew he had it. But honestly, you know, with all the love and respect, situations, diversity make a man be a man. It make you stand. And losing them made me and Wayne just go harder in every situation.

So it really turned him into a monster. Right. Because at first he didn't have to be a monster. Right. But when they left, he was going to eventually be who he was going to be. But the leaving shit made a nigga just be more creative and do their own thing. Right. And one thing about Cash Money was, like, you said, you was influenced by J Prince.

I was influenced by more of the niggas than J Prince. Excuse me. I was thinking Houston Ghetto Boy. Excuse me. But you guys always somewhat did your own thing. Like when we see y'all come out with helicopters, niggas wasn't thinking like that. Niggas like helicopters?

And what developed that? Was it because they had other people who was popping from New Orleans? Did that competition help? Nah, just our early days, but I was just painting my life in our early days. All that shit was me just saying, fuck it, this is how I'm living. This is what we doing, this is how we thugging with it. We're going to get helicopters, all kinds of shit. That was just a fantasy a nigga had as a kid, just wanting to live life a certain way.

And I put that shit and turned it into reality. Right. You ever thought it would be this big, though? You don't... You have expectations, but when you live in it, it's something totally different. Wow. You know, our first expectation

was just getting out the ghetto. And then as you're living, you know, every day of life is an experience because I never lived life like this. You know what day of life Is an experience Because I never lived Life like this You know what I mean I come from the slums With this shit

So any one of these Artists They come from the slums too So every day of life Is an experience Because a nigga Never lived life like this So for me

No I didn't think it But once I seen we could do it I went for it. And a lot of people don't understand. You'll see a new artist. You'll put them in a studio with you. You'll hang out with them.

Where do you develop this show on love? Even with Young Thug and Rich Homie Quan. You show love to them. I don't think you had to. I think you did. But how you develop that? You know what I'm saying? It was through somebody else, but I saw the talent you had to. I think you did. But how you develop that? You know what I'm saying? It was through somebody else, but I saw the talent in Doug.

Doug brought the other boy to the game, but it was always what I saw in him. Right. Solid soldier. Right. Real gangster. Fuck with him till the day. That's my partner, my other brother.

But I saw so much talent in him at a young age. He was 19 when I met him. And I just felt felt like with my platform we can make him a stalker no the world ain't seen no shit like this here and we started that rich gang shit but it was really about him right about the definitely I mean I want to take it back I want to know What In New Orleans In the days when it was Y'all in no limit

Yeah I want to know How was that For us that don't know You know Was it ever like Cause we know it was competition But was it ever like You know

It was beef or something like that Certain artists We know Cash Money No Limit That shit was real Yeah They ain't fuck with us We ain't fuck with The Calio money no lemon that shit was real yeah we ain't fuck with us me Calliope Magnolia probably shit real right all right so it was a project be like the bottom no we from two different projects so right that's I'm saying it just didn't never mix and right me and his relationship

never mixed Wow yeah maybe the artists is but we didn't fuck with each other so they couldn't fuck with each other But not because there's beef or was there a little? We just ain't never vibe, bro You know what I mean? We ain't never had no beef, ain't nobody dead, you know what I mean? But we just didn't never vibe To this day? We just never vibe

Goddamn, I wanna, I wanna talk, I wanna learn I was like that He said you never vibe Don't get me wrong, I got the utmost respect for, you know, he from my same city, so niggas that came up and he did some shit niggas still trying to do. He put out 35 albums in one year, you heard me?

So that's a lot of hustling, but I salute to everything he's doing. All right, goddammit, goddammit, that's respect. Respect, Respect that. So, you'll be building this. Wayne is taking the flagship. Now,

who comes first? Drake or Nicky? Because when Wayne, obviously Wayne had to come to you and say, you know, because you're the bigger company,

so Wayne has to say, Bird, baby, we want to sign this. Who comes first, Nicky or Drake? They both came at the same time. Damn. Oh, so was that like the Young Money? Young Money, yeah. So you look at them.

Young Money was already around day one. Yeah, you had like, who was the guy, J Males? Nah, they come after. They come after, oh wow. But Young Money Was squad up And all that other stuff Wayne was doing

But Young Money Was just an imprint Till we felt like It was time Right Till we found Drake and Nicky And then

So What's your first impression For Drake Because at this time Right Nicky You know There's other artists

From Queens There's other artists From New York Maybe you guys Ain't worked with some But there's other artists from New York. You identify that there is no other lit nigga from Canada No, not at the time not at the time bigger my brother Carter now official is I don't want you to But you know what I'm saying Yeah, there's no So this is actually And he was already an actor

He was an actor But he was an actor Or some shit No one that was You know Not real Well in Canada They knew about it

But in Canada They knew about it So What's the first thing That pops in your mind And say damn Canada nigga Let's work

It wasn't even I didn't even know Where he was from I was like That nigga cold I said The first day I met him, I told him,

he gonna be a legend. He said, for real? I said, nigga, you already a legend. That nigga bad. He come in the game

as a bad man. When I just heard his mixtape, that was the first tape he ever done. He eventually formed to be who he is.

But day one, when we met him, he wasn't who he is now. At first I thought he was mimicking Wayne at first. No way. At first, I'm just being honest. I mean, that's your opinion, but that's two different machines. They do music in two different ways. Okay.

See, Wayne started something with that song, Positute. Niggas wasn't singing back then. Niggas was straight up rapping. He did that pasta too and that kind of changed the game but Drake already was doing all this shit so when he came and over a period of time Drake been around with us 10 12 years I formed into something that what he is right now yeah super super super star now Nikki is you said came at the same time.

Yeah. Your first impression of Nicki was, she's a... When we first seen her, he showed me a DVD, the same day we did. A couple DVD, I'm assuming? Yeah. Okay, good. The same day we did a meeting, the first week on Carter 3, I think,

Carter 2 or Carter 3 I think Carter 2 or Carter 3 whichever one that was and we flew in I just seen something and he really seen he brought it to me like

we got she gonna be the female on Young Money wow but you can see but being around Nikki

she eventually formed into something right cause we give them so much freedom To be whoever They wanna be Right

And she farmed Into Barbie Right Now moving around A little bit Have you ever like You know Tried to make an artist

An artist And it just didn't work And you did everything You could do Just the music business Alright You know A lot of shit you do

Might not work Exactly You know I've been with Jack Quees four or five years. You know with Thugger. And I've been with Wayne. Wayne had the longest run in all of them. Wayne was around 10, 15, 12 years before he.

He always was successful until he took it there. You know like Nicky and Drake and them. They popped off top. They went straight up. You know, like Nicky and Drake, they popped off top. They went straight up. Right. You know, Wayne had a long ride before he,

maybe because the ambition was higher. Nigga wanted to go where Jay was at. Right. Nigga wanted to see what it feel to be up there. That's real.

That's what a nigga shot to. That's real. As far as on that rap shit. That's real. As far as that rap there, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nigga went up with it.

Where do you put cash money when you compare to a death row, a bad boy, anybody? Where do you rank yourself? To me, with all respect to everybody that ever did this shit, none of them have done more than me. You got a billion streams? I sold over a billion records. I done sold over 300 billion streams. And I done did over 575 million on iTunes alone. I'm sorry, I'm not counting your money.

I'm just saying. Just say that one more time. You're kind of counting. You're kind of referencing it. Yes, I'm doing it. I done did over 300 billion streams. And I done did over 575 million on iTunes. Go get it.

Good Lord. I felt richer. As you said, I felt richer. I felt like I got a check in my account just now. A lot of the cats who did it before me, bro, I respect what they did and how they done it. And I looked at all of them, and I just wanted to be better and do better. And you know the crazy shit that is? When I have barbershop talk when the cameras ain't around,

and, you know, they compare you guys to the J's, and they compare you to the Diddy's and everybody. The difference between you is you did it mainly on music. I did it all on music. I did it all music. All music. All music. God damn it. God damn it. When they gave it up, I hugged it. This was the life I wanted.

This was the life I chose. And I refuse today to give it up. I love it. Wow. I love the hustle music. I love to take young black men and make them successful who ain't got nothing. That's an ambition for me to see talent in a young man who see it in they self. But I'm going to believe in them and show the world what they got within them.

That should have rushed for me. Right. How did those deals that you created early on that were monumental change for the streaming era like did you have to adjust what you were doing or re-approach it? Hey streaming is the best thing that ever happened to the game you remember because now you could you know you could there's more money in it there's more money in this game now than it ever been so for a young man who's streaming He don't need all the things

We needed back in the G Nigga could be doing that shit Off of YouTube and social media Or get him a bag It's so plentiful now All over It's the money It's way up

No the money just way up For these youngsters You could do more What I did in 30 years I I could do it in five years. Wow. I'm going to do it again in five years. Wow. It's a different game.

It's a faster hustle. So you prefer it now the way it is? I prefer it then because it makes me appreciate it because I put in the body of work for that shit. But now it's a different hustle. To me, it's easier, but it's more plentiful. It's more money for everybody it's a different game have you see these niggas running around with all the bags on the phone buddy is and shit cuz niggas really not a music business is

way up and it's it's dominant urban urban music. It's the culture. We're the culture. We're the culture. Now, like I said, we're going to bounce around a little bit. Now, I want to pray up top, thank you, and say thank you for coming through because in the world, the public haven't seen you. I try to talk less than don't talk at all. Right. And let my actions speak louder than words. Goddamn.

Let's make some noise for that guy. Jack, come on. The last time the internet kinda saw you was when you said, are you finished or are you done? And it was the most classic, legendary shit. You told them all, yeah, y'all. And that was hard, call them, we're gonna play some noise for that guy.

Jack, come on. Now, now, now what, what, for that guy. Now, what exactly was they doing to make you? Because I haven't seen you mad like that ever. I know you 20 years. What did they do? Let me get into it. What did they do? How was that?

I just had some shit on my chest. Okay. Really with Charlamagne my chest. Okay. Really with Charlemagne. Okay, okay. God damn you, Charlemagne. I just wanted to see him face to face and let him know. You heard me, slime?

Stop playing with me. All right, all right. Respect me. You're disrespecting my name. You're playing with me up here. All right, put some respect on his name. We got respect on your name over here. We want you to know that. God damn, we got some respect on his name over here.

God damn it, Springtown. So, did you know that was the most viewed, like, two minutes in the internet? You know how viral that went? Yeah, yeah, that was viral, that was viral. And I can tell you was trying to keep your composure. You know, you know. You can't, you can't.

You can't like, you heard me, nigga have a nigga behind the wall. Right, you can't, you can't. You heard me, nigga, I'm a nigga behind the wall. Right, right, right, right, right.

But you haven't talked to the media since. That's real shit. You sat down with us, man. I try not to, but you know, you're a different culture, bro.

Thank you. I'm off the culture, goddamn it. Yes. For each other, then we had a mutual friend that we both lost together, man.

Yo, yo, hold on, hold on, everybody, please, make sure your phones is off. I want to give a mutual friend that we both close together man yo yo hold on hold on everybody please make sure your phones is off i want to give uh moment of silence to one of my close friends birdman's close friend um silo on the count of three one two three bow your heads and close your

eyes for a second god bless you, CeeLo. God bless you. Yo. That shit fucked me up. I've been thinking about it right now. Like, that shit fucked me up because I didn't see that coming, man. God bless him. And that nigga loved you.

He just was on a plane with me, man. We all flew out there together, but, you know, life goes on, but fuck it. That nigga loved you, man. Nah, he real solid, nigga. We miss him for real. I miss him on, bro. Fuck it. That nigga loved it. Nah, he real solid, nigga.

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And those rumors take over, right? But then there's a moment where you and Wayne is together and y'all hug each other. Why do you think the internet didn't blow that moment up more than they blowing? And this is just honest, you know what I'm saying? Because if they're going to blow up, you know, what they think went wrong, when they see that moment that it was corrected, why do you think the internet didn't give it the same energy?

I don't know. I must have been talking too long. Right, right, right. I really don't know. And I never get caught up in the internet shit. I don't give a fuck about none of that. Right. I'm going to live my life how I live my life.

I love him like a son to this day. You know, we communicate. He is my son to me. Before I even had my own son, he was my son. So, I don't, I really don't give a fuck about no internet. And I always take the lick, but fuck it, I'ma still stand up

and I'ma still be a man. I'ma live it like that. And you always sort of stood that ground, like, Wayne is my son. And, like, you never caught a moment where you got mad? like you said like you know a lot of moments i got mad but still when you look at it when you look at somebody who you're considering your son you gotta suck that shit up all right and no matter how i felt i sucked it up wow because

you know he might was feeling some kind of way but it didn't matter i just sucked the shit up kept it moving only thing i could do was just keep hustling. Because I knew me and him were going to eventually get back together. You kept saying that every time. I wasn't worried about that, but for me as a man and what I got in this game for, I just wanted to keep hustling and keep making talent throughout

all the storm. Now, one of the people that was vocal when you guys were beefing, and then one of the people that was vocal when you guys were beefing and then one of the people that was vocal after you guys like you know gave that hug was Ross right now Ross when you guys gave that hug and you guys squashed it Ross tweeted out or I think he Instagram he said that was honorable so I guess that was his way of apologizing to you do you accept his apology or for the track for I guess that was his way of apologizing to you Do you accept his apology?

For the track you're talking about? For I guess whatever he was saying I just came up I mind my own motherfucking business I don't get in no other nigga's business I'm in the music business And I don't mind a nigga's business So when another nigga in another nigga's business

To me that's a violation That's how I come up You know simple I ain't never been no man to speak down When another nigga in another nigga's business, to me, that's a violation. That's how I come up. Exactly. You know, simple. I ain't never been no man to speak down on. No man in this music business never did. That ain't my thing, because I know how hard this shit is. You hear me?

I ain't here to downplay a nigga. I won't see a nigga come up. Period. So, as far as me ever speaking down on a nigga, I would never do it. Now, if a nigga disrespect me, fuck him. Fuck him, my bitch. We could kill, shoot, I would never do it. Now, if a nigga disrespect me, fuck him. Fuck him, my bitch. We could kill, shoot, whatever you want to do.

But as far as me speaking down on a nigga in this game, that ain't my MO because I do my thing. Nah, for sure. For sure. That's a motherfucker.

That's real shit. That's real. Now, moving on, like I said, we're bouncing around. Have you ever received slack for like having the tattoos

like on your face or you're rich already, who gives a fuck, right? When I put them on my face, I ain't give a fuck. I did that shit at 15. I knew I was going to be a dope boy when I was born. I knew that my pops was a dope boy. I got chills when you said that. That's what I always wanted to be. I know any nigga that put tats in his face, it ain't too much more shit you can do.

Right. Because you're going to be, there ain't too many doors you can go in. I'd perhaps choose hip-hop. Right. So I could walk in doors with this shit on my face, but at first, you know, I was going to be a dope boy for him.

That was the reward for me. Was it ever a little awkward when Thug and Wayne wasn't getting along? We talked a lot about that shit, but I nipped that shit in the bud. You know, Wayne, my son, and Thug, my little brother, so to me that was like a family situation. That shit wasn't gonna go nowhere. It was gonna be what it was going to be and we were going to leave that alone and get back to it. My whole thing was to get them to work together. That was my plan was

at that time we were going through changes with artists with the Young Money Cash Money shit so I wouldn't embrace Young Thug and went to Atlanta and started that Rich Gang shit. But my plan was always was to get them to work together. Now us in New York City we had this

group at one point called Murder Inc and it was Jay-Z it was John Woo and DMX they were supposed to go and make an album you think Wayne, Drake and Nicky would ever make an album like that they had plans they did a few songs, but you know, you never know. Everybody, bruh, you know what I mean? Everybody is in so many different directions, bruh. Niggas playing with hundreds of millions of dollars, so you know, it's a lifestyle with that shit.

You know what I mean? Wayne got his life, Nicki got her life, Drake got her life, I mean Drake got his life, so everybody's in different areas doing different things, bro. So, for them to come together and do it, is it possible? Yeah. Alright. Definitely. But

will it happen? I don't know. They're just too fucking busy. Just everybody doing their thing, you know? Everybody, you know? In younger days, we probably could have did it easier, but now you remember niggas playing with hundreds of millions and they all got tours

and scheduling. But honestly, I think it could and should happen because they're the most retalented in the game. Now, Collin on his way to Superstar, I don't know if I can pronounce his name right. Did I say that right? Yeah, on his way to Superstar, I don't know if I can pronounce his name right. Did I say that right? Yeah, on his way to Superstar,

he was on E1 on Cotch, then he had a brief time on Cash Money. Now he's this, it's this, you know, big, huge mogul. How was the experience, like, what call it,

on Cash Money? He's still the same nigga. Right. He's originally from New Orleans too, right? Yeah. I met him in New Orleans. Cadillac Hustler, bro.

Right. All right. And when a nigga hustler, what you can do but respect it. Right. He a hustler, he gonna find a way, get away, make a way.

That's the only thing I can say about him. He a real hustler, he gonna get it in. And y'all cool still to this day? Yeah, we cool. Because I think Ross has said something on that record or some shit. Man, I always did good with Cadillac.

Cadillac can speak on me. That nigga made millions of dollars with me when another nigga ain't never gave him a penny. I was putting millions in his pockets. I always did good by him. God damn it. Any young organizations that you see right now

coming up that you feel is like y'all back when y'all started? I like what P doing withall started? I like what P doing with QC. I like what he doing. I always felt like we need more CEOs in the gang. I really like what he got going on. He hustling.

And I like what Top Dog built over there. What he got going on. That's great keeping that legacy in the West alive. And I like what Young Thug forming into, you know,

because he's finding talent doing his thing. You're going to see a lot of that from Jacquees. I think you're going to see a lot of that from the new artists,

the youngsters going to be putting niggas on, going to be putting their own brands on. I think that's what's going to keep this shit going at a heavy pace

is when star artists put other rappers on. Now, Mr. Cool at one point came over there with you. How did that work out? Because he was No Limit, correct?

Did you receive any turmoil before y'all being over? Nah, you know, Mr. Cool and all them artists just was caught up in some shit was going on with me and this dude. They always wanted to work together. Just that we didn't vibe, so it would never happen. But Mystical came. I've always been a fan of Mystical.

Mystical from New Orleans, he's a fucking legend. He's always kind of like a free agent. He had Boot Camp Clip, I think was his crew, right? Was the name of his crew? Something like that. I don't Orleans. He was a fucking legend. He was always kind of like a free agent. He had Boot Camp Lick, I think was his crew, right? Was the name of his crew? Something like that. I remember T's on. Yeah, yeah.

They had beef kind of with Boot Camp Lick in New York. Oh, yeah. I do remember that. I do remember that. We did a project with Mystical Front

and we was proud of it and we're still cool today. Right. Number of respect. How was the time like with Busta Rhymes? You know Busta a different type

Nigga Very respectful Busta determined Yeah Busta crazy My brother He ain't gonna stop He ain't supposed to stop

Right Keep getting that shit Right That's a beautiful thing Yo So I mean Besides you getting Getting money Because we know you're getting money, but

why you develop, like, you know, you develop a positive attitude. I want to say that. Like, it's like, you don't get involved with the he say, she say shit, but it's hard to in this game to avoid that. You know what I'm saying? So, how you develop that type of attitude? Because even me, I fall. Like, I be having to erase some shit.

I be saying, fuck your mother. Oh shit, nigga, come on. The CBS is going to pick that up. And I got to erase the shit. You know what I'm saying? But you don't fall victim. I see it and hear it all. What you say?

I see it and hear it all. Oh, okay. I just don't get caught up into it. I'd rather chase the money than the bullshit. Bullshit easy, bro. I chase rather chase the money than the bullshit. Bullshit is it, bro. I'll chase the money before I chase the bullshit. I'm not going to entertain it. I'm not going to really waste one second on it.

I got too much other shit I want and I try to do. But I want to be able to set the bar so high in this shit that maybe the nigga who can touch it, he not eat much on this planet yet. That's my only mission in this game, is to keep running it up. God damn it. First of all, let me pick up the Best Buy liquors.

I totally forgot for them providing the liquor today. We're going to make sure they got the, what's the name of the joint again? What's the name of the joint? Sensario. What? Sensario. Sensario.

We're going to make sure they got the Sensario in there, because Birdman done bought me the big bottle. I'm taking that home, because I'm not sharing with these niggas. They are not worthy. What? Senserio. What? Senserio. Senserio. Senserio. We're going to make sure they got the Senserio in there. Because Birdman done bought me the big bottle. I'm taking that home because I'm not sharing with these niggas. They are not worthy. Bestbuyliquor.com. They my friends and all that. But yeah, bestbuy.com.

They out here in. Bestbuyliquor.com. Bestbuyliquors. You know what I'm saying? Now, are we going to ever get another Big Thomas album? I doubt it. Oh. I doubt it.

Yeah? I'm doubting. You what? I doubt it. Oh, I doubt it. Yeah? I'm doubting. You what? I doubt it. Oh, God. Why? Why? I'm just not with it.

Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Okay. I ain't with it. Oh, okay. He's fresh my partner. I love him like a brother. We talk all the time. And you know what I mean?

He do produce for me for certain things with other people, but I ain't with it. So there'll be another big time ones and there'll be another hot boys oh maybe a hot boys because maybe a hot boy BG be home this year so oh wow oh wow we have a great maybe get something like that though and so whose hot boys is BG Turk Wayne and Juvie? Yeah, whoo? Yeah, the people eat that up That was what did you really have a hama sitting on 32s man we were living that shit So, So, okay. All right.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So now, people don't talk a lot about Slim. Slim don't really talk a lot. He's to the side. Like, say a couple of words about Slim. You know, because he's mysterious.

No one knows nothing. He's one of the coolest niggas on the planet. That's right. That one knows nothing. Slim's the coolest nigga on the planet. That's right. That's right. My brother, I look up to my brother. Wow. He mean everything to me.

He's like a daddy to me. He everything. If it wasn't for Slim, none of this shit be still going on because I was, I was, I was kind of ratchet

with this shit. Wow. Slim really maintained and thank God, you know, he kept all the pieces with this shit. Wow. Slump really maintained and a thinker, you know. Right. He kept all the pieces together. Mm. Mm.

God damn it. And why do you think people don't talk about him more? Is it because he's the behind the scenes? He played it back. I feel like he's like the bigs of cash money. Yeah. That's the sense that I would get. Right.

But he totally, 1,000%, the shot caller. Anything go down, Slump called all shots. Yeah. That's the sense that I would get. Right. But he totally, 1,000% the shot caller. Anything go down, snub caller, all shots. Wow. Now, the first single

that you guys signed was artist named Kilo G. That was the first release. That was the first release? First ever on Cash Money. First ever on Cash Money? Yeah. Kilo G?

He sound like he's still selling crack cocaine. rest in peace. Yeah, he said rest in peace. Oh, rest in peace. Oh, God bless. He's going to kill it, bro. God bless.

So, oh, man. All right, God damn it. All right. What's the year that Cash Money started? I had my federal tax ID number in 1990. Whew. Wow. Whew.

I came home from jail in 1989, December 10th. I started my label, got my federal tax ID number February 10th. I signed with Universal 1997, May 10th. And still Universal's the partner? Been there 23 years. Wow. Same team. And Lil Wayne's first album was Lil Slim? No, that's who brought Lil Wayne.

That's who brought Lil Wayne. Okay. Lil Slim. Damn, you've been getting money for 23 years from Universal. Them checks must be looking crazy. God damn it. God damn it. I'm coming to your money.

I'm so sorry. No. I'm proud to know you. I'm proud to know you sorry I'm proud to know you I'm proud to know you Just to keep it G with you Bro, I done made Two billion dollars

With Universal With Universal Not to mention What you made before that And the pendulum One billion of the dollars I broke down With Wayne, Drake and Nicky

And now is Drake still Signing the cash money Are they all three still Technically signing We're in business together For life okay okay checks like that ain't no nigga gone money long nigga strong that's beautiful man that's beautiful man I was so glad you know as a person that you know seen see y'all gonna be good I can't say from the very, very beginning.

But, like, from the 90, I would say from 98 to 97 on, you know, when I seen y'all right to part of the situation. That's the reason why if you ever notice, like, we're supposed to be media or whatever. But we ain't never talk about that because I know y'all relationship from the beginning. And when I see the turmoil, I wanted to Look at the end result So I chose not to ever speak about that Because of that And I feel like No one should

To tell you the truth Like when it come to y'all Especially the people Who know your relationship Like this is real shit Like I know you love that nigga You know what I'm saying And I respect you

I respect you Respect you And respect your stance For never falling victim. And I'm glad that you told me. I said, man, listen, man, there have been times, Nori, I almost did, but I didn't. No, I never almost. Okay.

Ever. Okay. I would never cross that line with my wife. I always looked at him as a son. So I could never disrespect him. Right. That wouldn't be a man. That wouldn't be a father.

Right. You know what I'm saying? I could never disrespect somebody that called a kid my son. So I would never. I'd just suck it up. And then, so how initially did y'all kind of

fix it? We talked. We talked a couple of times. Okay. You know what I mean? That was important to me that I,

you know, I started with Wayne. I gave my all to my son and he gave his all to me. So to me, for me to continue to do this business, I had to fix that

with him that was an honor that was an honor to me that was the time I did want to speak on it I wanted to speak about y'all you know fixing the situation because so much in our community is

always the bad part that's promoting when the good part happens, why the fuck we don't show it that same energy? You know what I'm saying? So like I said, I commend you on that. I commend him on that. I commend you brothers rectifying the situation because the one thing you don't ever want to do

is let your family members be affected through money. You know what I'm saying? Because that's going to come and go. But now, I'm just getting a little awkward. How are you and Tiger stand? Because I know he was supposed to be signed to the label or something like

that and he said that he was on Interscope or some shit. That's a whole nother movie. Okay, that's another movie. That's a whole nother situation. But I always did great by Tiger. I put millions in his pocket. I ain't never violated that young man, ever.

To speak in my name in vain in any kind of way. You know what I mean? I always stand still solid with him. But, you know, that's a whole nother thing. What a shit. Do you think that sometimes people blame you because that's the easy way out? I'm the gangster, so you know how it goes. Fucker.

Well, yo, man. They got to stand on that shit, though, when you be saying that shit. Right. Because eventually you know how this shit go, bro. You never know, bro. It's the music business. Right. You never fucking know.

You don't burn no bridge, not one of them. Right. It's the music business. Right. You're going to run past. I bridge, not one of them. It's a music business. You're going to run past. I'm going to be in this shit for real. I'm big dog in this shit. I ain't going nowhere. Was the track that y'all did together the first time that Cash Money worked with a New York artist

or did a feature? What you mean? On the Melvin Flay. It felt like that. We was already a fan. Wayne turned me on to that music. He was more up to date with them than me. So when we go up there we go check we go hit every ghetto We go in every project we go in niggas hood and just chill That was our whole mold when we go in whatever city I'd have been in every ghetto in America Cuz we was here in Miami and it seemed like cash Money wasn't really doing a lot of features, at least not outside their area. I wouldn't let a niggas do features.

Right, so there you go. So it was a big deal when we saw that feature down here. Certain niggas, bro, because I ain't going to hold myself or hold my niggas. We ain't going to be, man, these niggas ain't help us do nothing. I ain't trying to be cool with no niggas. I don't want to be cool with no niggas. Right. That was our motto, but certain niggas. I don't want to be cool with no niggas. That was our motto.

But certain niggas we fucked with. Right. And, you know, and we did that shit. To this day, baby, I still got that 25-year relationship with

motherfucking Cash Money niggas. I ain't gonna lie. That's why I wanted to personally do this because, you know what I'm saying? Like, whatever

was the opinion of anybody else's, that ain't my opinion. But I got to stand on what I know, what my ground is. And whenever I stepped to you and I came to you, because I remember, you know, not too long ago, shit, I had a rain feature. I was independent like a motherfucker. I ain't had nothing to hit nobody. And I said, and you said, listen, partner, what you did tell me is,

don't you have no other name call me ever again You better call me the wreck and I was like Yes, because what happened was you don't say and me and him had living a close vicinity of each other I don't want to say where And um, I just you know, I just didn't feel right like reaching out to him and he was like uh-uh don't you ever not feel right nigga you reach out me do right that you as a partner exactly my brother i appreciate that brother because you held me down and um so i i wanted to do this uh interview personally because um you get a bad rap sometimes. So many people say, you know, Birdman is this and Birdman, you don't speak.

So sometimes if you don't address the rumor, the rumor becomes the truth. So in this day and time, you know, I wanted to come out and. Can I tell you how I personally feel about that? I don't give a fuck. You said that. I don't give a fuck. Goddamn it, that was the hardest answer ever, brother. Yo, so we've been recently seeing the emergence of black excellence and black ownership. I know I've been touching on it a little earlier. What is the next step for us to grow as a people whether it be us as hip-hop

people or us as just you know what's the next step for us? I could speak on the music part. All in their life you know that shit going different ways but for the music we need to just keep doing're doing. I see the youngins starting to spread their wings. You know, signing talent, getting talent. And there's so much in the game right now. It's ain't like it was when we was coming up.

This shit done changed for real. And it changed for the best. You remember? So when you got these youngins out here doing it, keep doing it and keep doing it harder. All I can tell the niggas, go harder. Don't ever think you'uns out here doing it, keep doing it and keep doing it harder. All I can tell the niggas, go harder. Don't ever think because you're doing it, you're cool. Nigga, go harder.

Like, I know you're a real music guy, right? For years, I've seen you. I go to certain places, you'll be there. Do you ever, like, see, because some of this music out now, it's kind of trash But it's hit records Do you ever say what do you say you say you care? Do you care or cuz like you you know if a record is mixed or not different game, bro? Okay

It's a game. See why you got a lot of old niggas tripping on a new game Was listening to. You got to get with this shit or get left behind this shit. It's a different game. A lot of niggas don't know how to transit or change into what's going on.

You remember, I've always been trendy. I've never been a follower. So for me, we're going to start what's going on, but you got to see what's going on

and know what's going on. You remember, the way these youngsters are doing music now, you can't compare how we do music or how we did music. We don't even understand this shit. But I get it. I understand it.

And you got to get with it. Okay, so what's the next step? What's the next move with your legacy? I'm doing movies, bro. Okay, wow. Cash money films. I always had my cash money films. I've seen the documentary.

Yeah. I got my champagne. Okay, wow. Cash money films. I always had my cash money films. I've seen the documentary. Yeah. I got my champagne. Champagne. I got a few different hustles. My stunner brand, that's within music, bro. I don't want to come outside of music. Everything I'm doing with it is for entertainment. Okay.

You understand me? My liquor and everything we're doing. You still with Lungs or you left them niggas? Leave them niggas alone. I'm forever with them. Leave them niggas alone, bro. You fucking lost. They bought me houses and shit. I ain't gonna put them.

I ain't gonna put them. They're cutting some jacks, too. We ain't gonna go to the building. I'm forever with them. I ride with them. You ride. That nigga said forever. I respect that, my nigga.

They got you in for a flex. I respect that, my nigga. Flex put me down with that. Flex put you down with that? Flex put me down with that. You know what, man? Let's come back. Flex put me down with that. Flex put you down with that? Flex put me down with that. You know, man, let's come back. Yeah, let's come back.

Well, well, Birdman, again, you know, I want to thank you personally because you ain't had to do this. You ain't,

you ain't, you don't have to be questioned or, you know, interviewed at all. You, you, you know what I'm saying? You are who you are,

but I wanted to, you know, say the side that I see you from You know what I'm saying I just feel like sometimes it's unfairly how People view you So as a person who knows you And not just since yesterday I know you for a while

Always If you say you're going to do something you've done it And I wanted to honor that And I wanted to respect that You know what I'm saying? And I wanted to honor that, and I wanted to respect that. And, you know what I'm saying? I want to also, you know, big up to Mac Mayne and big up to Wayne and big up to the whole team because I love when y'all are together. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm that guy who's seen it from the beginning, so I want to see it like that from the end. So even if I'm naive, you know what I'm saying, I'd rather be that naive. Nah, they're shit together forever, man. For real. Ain't nothing going man. Word, for real. Ain't nothing going to change that. For real. They shit together. When they bury us, they going to bury us in the same city.

God damn it. So we together forever, man. God damn it. So I want to personally thank you on behalf of me, EFN, Greencast. Can I say something? I like what you're doing, too, man. I saw you transformed. But I remember when you were still doing other shit in the city.

Y'all building what y'all building. That's what this shit about, man. God damn it. Thank you so much, Birdman. Make some noise for Birdman. That's it. You want to take a picture? Yeah, drop it.

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