Drink Champs - Episode 164 “Moments” (Memorial Day Edition)

Episode Date: May 27, 2019

The Drink Champs Family honors and respects our veterans who have bravely served and continue to serve our country, especially those we have lost. We want to take the time on this day of memorial to remember our fallen hip-hop soldiers with stories told by their peers who were closest to them. On this episode of Drink Champs you’ll hear stories about 2Pac, The Notorious B.I.G., Prodigy, Prince, Big Pun, etc. Theses stories were told to us by past guests like Snoop Dogg, Uncle Luke, DMX, E-40 and more! Also on this episode we’ll reflect back on the memories we shared with the late John Singleton and Combat Jack. On behalf of the Drink Champs Family we hope you enjoy this special episode. Drink Champs Army… grab a drink, take a shot (eye to eye), make some noiiiisssseeee and help celebrate Memorial Day with the DC Family! Let’s Go!!! Follow Drink Champs  http://www.drinkchamps.com  http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps  http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps  DJ EFN  http://www.crazyhood.com  http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy  http://www.twitter.com/djefn  http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions  N.O.R.E.  http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga  http://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Havoc of Mobb Deep, E-40, Snoop Dogg, Talib Kweli, Uncle Luke, and more. So on behalf of myself and Nori, aka The Drink Champs, much love to The Drink Champs Army. We hope you enjoy this special Memorial Day episode. Let's just get right into it. We're going to start with these classic Tupac champs much love to the drink champs army we hope you enjoy this special memorial day episode let's just get right into it we're gonna start with these classic tupac stories and yo hazman cue that up motherfuckers let's make some motherfucking noise everybody was in the cell his billboard was cut out in the cell he wasn't even on death row or talked about being on death row we just did that as a symbol of representing him and fucking with him because he was my friend so that was a you know play that I did to put him in there to represent it I'm the reason why's what I... Yeah. He was my friend.

Right. And my thing was speaking with Suge, because after he had got shot, I had flew to New York like the next day. And it was like shit was going bad for him and he had got locked up. And I was like, man, Suge, we need to put that nigga with us, cuz. How far back is y'all's friendship? Poetic Justice Rap Party was the first night I met him. And then we became friends. And actually, MC Breed, rest in peace, was trying to buy some dope and I knew the nigga

that knew the nigga, so Breed got some dope for me and D.O.C. and Breed was cool and Tupac and that's how we all became like a circle of friends. Crazy. Believe it. This is crazy. That's crazy really a lot. I ain't gonna lie. I got it So so hip-hop mold fan just now I was to ask a question at this point. I was just sitting there like I'm just thinking like So, um, all right boom now pop comes here. Pac comes here. He's already there. Y'all already doing what he's doing. These records come out.

These records, let me tell you this so you'll know. All eyes on me. When he get out, I'm working on the dog, father. So, when he get out, my cousin Daz is like my number one supplier. Speak up, Daz. Because Dre basically not really giving up music because I think he on his way out but we don't really know what's going on. This is my thing, he's still cocaine in the bathroom.

Don't mind that. Hey, thanks for doing it in the bathroom. So we working on my record so when he get out, naturally I tell Daz and the whole crew, if I getting out, y'all throw cuz all of the music. Get him right first. So he ended up getting all this hot music because we was in the process of doing hot shit, and then Pac brought a spirit to the studio that was different than anybody we ever worked with.

He had a work spirit that was like, this nigga could be in three different rooms at one time and making music, and he would never listen to it. Like, we was always, we learned this from Dr. Dre we would make a song we would listen to that motherfucker for a whole month I mean just

back to back 30 days just listening to the same goddamn song partying inviting bitches over off the same record and the song might not

even come out yeah and then it never come out the nigga Tupac was like nigga when we make a song when we finish it we ain't listening to that shit pull another beat beat up, we doing another motherfucking song, you can mix that motherfucking when you finish, we'll listen to it.

He was a factory. He was never about, like, even when we made one song, boom, motherfucker, the last verse, he'd be like, all right, play it back, we play it down from top to bottom. As soon as that motherfucker cut off, all right, give it to the engineer pull the next beat up Never did we listen to a song twice with that nigga? That's something that I learned from him that I take with me today cuz I wasn't like that I was I learned from dr. Dre. I learned from my teacher. They taught me how to stop exactly Pop was awesome like nigga fuck that we going we going we going we going How you thinking nigga made three albums and motherfucking shit six months that's Gemini shit that's Gemini I'm a Gemini but what's on the

useful I'm a labor what's our we can know your son Virgo Virgo don't know if it means anything for fucking let's make some noise for the sign. Yo, Snoop. Astrology. Listen, Snoop. I can't thank you so much. We got a couple of questions. No, no, no. I'm not cutting you off.

You know what? In mid-interview, I just want to thank you because you know what? This is the first time artists, you know what I'm saying, is running media right now. Right right now we are running DJs and DJ I'm sorry when I say I represent the motherfucking DJ that's right that's

right you always gotta have a Mexican around you listen everybody's from LA I'm from L.A. too. Yeah. Salvador. Same shit. Mexican. I'm originally from L.A. Southgate. Same shit. Same shit. Same shit. Yeah. I lived in Southgate. You always got a kid. And you know what? Pete Ellis Dodge in the motherfucking house.

You know what I'm saying? And it's the first time, you know. You know we got, you got GGM. Yeah. So now, do you operate GGM when you're not there? Because we're going to be in L.A. August. Can I co-host GGM? Can we?

I'd love to have you there. Yes. We'll co-host because we're we Yes, we'll call because he's gonna be in LA August 27 Pockets on death row now. Yeah. Yeah, so the bitches in hoopla cuz everybody wants to meet my nigga You understand me and you understand me and you know i ain't no hate her i don't know how to block i get out the way so the like you understand me i would love to meet tupac if that's all right with you i'm like it's gonna always be all right now what state were you in we was in l.a okay continue this is where all the stars is at all the the stars. So now, one night, I'm in the club, and the bitch is there. And Pac sees the bitch. He's like, man, I want to meet that bitch, man. I say, hey, man.

That's exactly how he described her, the bitch. That's my bitch, man. Let's continue. I'll kindly introduce you to her. Yes. I'll kindly introduce you to her. I walks over to him, right, and say, bitch, this is Tupac. Tupac, meet the bitch. So, you know, after he meets the bitch,

you know, I walks off. Because, you know, it ain't my job to stand there and see if they're going to talk and hug and kiss or whatnot, take a picture. I walks off like a real player. I guess they exchanged numbers. I don't know. So, you understand me?

A few weeks later, I'm trying to, you know, slide by and go see her because, you know, she's a side piece to me. So I'm trying to go see her on a late night like I normally do, you know, leave that back door open. And I'm like, what's happening? I'm trying to slide through. You know what I'm saying? leave that back door open and I'm like what was any unfinished slide through you know I'm saying leave that back there's all and the bitch hit me with I don't think Pac would like that this girl was Madonna for the record for the record this girl we talking bout is Madonna let's make some noise

no but for real that's what the bitch said for real was that Madonna? nah that wasn't Madonna hey that wasn't Madonna now look the nigga now this is fucking crazy you don't think I'm making this shit up nigga I'm doing Saturday Night Live. No, no, we don't.

Nigga, I'm doing Saturday Night Live in New York. Nigga, it's documented. Nigga, when I had that Tommy Hilfiger shirt on, the red, white, and blue one, blew the motherfucker up. The shirt sold like a motherfucker, right? So the nigga Pac come and see me. He in New York. He bring me some weed, and he come backstage with the bitch.

Madonna. Oh, with Madonna. With Madonna. Oh, we got a Madonna story the bitch Madonna Madonna for real for real about through like a chameleon man he brought the bitch to Saturday Night Live so he's got he's cocky he was knocking the bitch man cuz he brought me some blood man he had the bitch on his own man and he wasn't even like flossing the bitch he had a right here this way T my and Big Daddy came dad the other way around Tupac had Madonna man This is the park Yo, can I get a hug In advance So how did you feel

A lot of people when Park passed And then you came to the scene A lot of people compared you How did you feel when he died? How did you feel To that comparison Some people get offended I used to correct people

as plainly as I could. They'd be like, oh, you like the next pop? I'm like, no, I'm the first ex. Oh. They would say that. That's great.

They would say that. They would say that. Oh, you like the next pop? I'm like, no, I'm not the next anything. I'm the first. That's a friend. I mean,

and it's crazy because I actually got a chance to see pop. Oh, where? Walking. I got my back popped. We stayed at... Oh, my God. Oh, where? Walking. I didn't know you met Pop. We stayed at, oh my God. So in Hammond, Hammond Way off Sunset in LA.

Oh, okay. That hotel. Okay. And I saw him. He was a cool dude. He seemed cool. Now, what year was this? You remember the year?

I'd say like 97. Seven? Six. Oh, wow. Wow. You met real Pop. Yeah. You met the real Pop. Seven? Six. Oh, wow. Wow. You went real popular. Yeah. You went real popular.

Walking by yourself. You got 97, right? Maybe 95. Maybe 95. Dreadboarders out there. Dreadboards out there. And he walked past and I seen him. My man said, what up?

I went, what up? What up? Cool dude. You know what? My man said, what up? What up? Cool dude. I think, and speaking as favorably as I can to someone who's past, someone who can't defend themselves, I think part of the problem, a big part of the problem was he didn't have what New York niggas got. Like, uh, I'm from New York. This is my block. Bam.

He had no one. He didn't have his crew. So one thing, you New York nigga, I know for a fact is you don't go to Cali and live there without having to goon scratch. Like, homie, you could be the hardest thing in the world. But you don't go way over there without, like, noie, you could be the Hardest thing in the world But, you don't go Way over there without No one ever knew where he was from

Where you from? Nobody ever knew him He was from Oakland, though, he lived in Oakland We lived all over But when you're from somewhere You got niggas that grew up with you That had your back, that loved you Since you was in kindergarten

They mean to fuck with you, that had your back, that loved you since you was in kindergarten. I mean, that fuck with you for real. And won't let never. And you, I need the extra set of eyes so I keep my dog with me. Doctor said, let him die. I said, this fucking dog bit me. Sometimes you need that nigga with you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. You know what?

He'll see what you don't see. Right. It's easy to get caught up in this. It's easy to get caught up in this. I got one more question and that's it. What up, Dream Champs Army? It's easy to get caught up in this. It's easy to get caught up in this. I got one more question and that's it. What up, Drink Champs Army? It's 2019. Everyone needs a great pair of wireless earbuds. But before you go dropping hundreds of dollars on a pair,

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track that ain't that we working on right now and then we do you still talk I'm fucking with you. You stupid. I'm trying to figure out what you're saying. I was like, damn, this is my liquor store. When he did say, we working on now, I'm like, this is. I was talking about, you know. Because people still think he alive. Studio Tom said. Yeah, yeah. He was really. Yo, nigga, he was out the day and said.

I wish he was alive, man. But I don't think he would sit up here and stand for this sucker shit that's going on in the industry right now. Let's make some time. Let's make some time. Let's make some time. Yo, Mr. Lee, where's the salsa water? Where's the salsa water at? That's it.

Where's the salsa water? You don't need that shit if you drink this beer. Oh, that's, that, alright, I'll drink it. You drink this beer, you don't need that. He got carbonation sealed to all that shit in it, man. Come on, come on, 41. So, um, y'all recorded Mad Records together, and we asked Uncle Luke this, I think we asked Snoop this.

Yeah. Um, but what was the Pac that you enjoyed more? And Luke had an interesting take on Pac. The blunt rolling, Hennessy drinking Pac. But on death row or prior to death row? Both. He was the same with me at any time. You know what I'm saying?

Okay. You know what I'm saying? It was all love, man. If he fuck with you, he fuck with you. If he don't fuck with you, he'll call you out. He'll say your name and everything. He'll whack you and everything right he that's what that's what he specialized in he gonna he say fuck that i'm saying names ain't none of that you know sneak distance shit you feel me so i had to give it to him on that but he had a reason for all the shit he you know he was he was saying he

wasn't crazy he wasn't crazy no he was going to be brilliant yeah so what's your favorite tupac member you tell me your favorite your favorite time being around i got a lot of shit. He was brilliant. So what's your favorite Tupac memory? You tell me. Oh man. Your favorite time being around Pac. I got a few of them, but I know y'all probably seen it on YouTube in 1993. We had my practice looking horror video shoot. And he entered through the whole video like this. You know, he had that middle finger attitude. That's classic Pac shit too.

You feel me? Like fuck you. But the thing is that he showed motherfuckers how to... This one, Blunts, wasn't really... Y'all had been fucking with Blunts. In New York, he said. You know, because my partner from New Jersey, when I was at Grammar State University, night to fall, 86, 87,

this motherfucker take a Philly Blunt, and the way he did it, it was a full blunt, you know what I'm saying, and he'd gut it, he'd just take all the shit out of it, and then stuff it with some boo-boo weed, right? Because that's all we had at ground, was some boo-boo weed, right? So he'd stuff that motherfucker

and tie the end up like that, you know what I mean? Wet it up. And that's how they did it back then, that's the first time I ever seen a blunt roll. So Pac, you know what I'm saying, he on my video shoot, and he's sitting on the little bench, I'm over there smoking a beady. I don't know if y'all know what Strong is doing this bad boy mixtape you remember that you remember it was the bad boy yeah this is what this is

what is originally for so so yeah it was a freestyler in a sense in a sense it was a freestyle so um that day a dude named Chaz for my hood I remember he's the flyest nigga for my hood but he was the craziest right so so chad's just outside like he confused he playing me new york new york he like yo you think they dissing us so i'm like i don't know i go to queensbridge right to to meet up we happen to you know be there and stretch armstrong calls and says let's come to the studio so I you had I think you had the the turquoise blazer that's it yes I did yeah yeah the turquoise blazer so don't do that that that listen just in case y'all thinking of a blazer can't tell you what

happened yesterday I can tell you come up I remember this so everybody we met at stretch Armstrong's crib and um I think back then having had already gave us beats but we ain't put none now but the originals on the original dog pound beat so this is what happens yeah I think we had already did Marley Margaery so what no no no no no so what happened is this is la la so what happened um stretch I said the stretch yo I remember Chaz had just played me this us ax them he was on something called a DJ list back then back in the days you could send somebody a record and two months in advance and your shit wouldn't be bootleg right you don't say because if he was on a DJ listen it was just an idea so I asked stress to pull it up we heard New York

New York we couldn't determine if they were dissing us or not so technically we didn't diss them we just rhymed correct no y'all dissed them no no i'm in the video i always thought it was a diss record because i always thought it was an intro man but i remember it was prodigy's verse they took it because he said um he said jfk on our way to l.a and remember remember and then he used that on your album later but the original la la were all five of us mm-hmm prodigy said NYC you and I were supremacy havoc and pre Queens niggas so it seemed to be mega got word back from Noriega and that was on original la la boom oh Boom. Oh. I'm going to break it down for you. But he did that on. On.

Right. Hold on. Hold on. He went somewhere else? No. It first went somewhere else. But it was originally on LA LA. He took it off.

And when he took it off, I remember we calling Steve Riffin. Steve Riffin was like, no, he doesn't want to be a part of this. You can't. Really? Yeah. You didn't. Damn, you didn't no, he doesn't want to be a part of this. Really? Yeah, you didn't. Dang, you didn't even know about it. Make some noise for Happy. Who, who? I didn't want to be a part of it. No, you stayed a part of it.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's make some noise for Happy staying a part of it. But from what I heard, now I never heard this from Prodigy or Steve Rifkin myself. But from what I heard, Steve Rifkin said Prodigy didn't want to do it. And then the verse came off the week that the day that we shot the video is the day it came out and you was only supposed to come to the video and the prodigy show he was right there yes he was in the video that's right that's right cuz it was a song so he did his verse in the video no no oh no he was like he was

just like la la big city a tree city in the trees. Right, right, right. Shit was real. But you saying it wasn't a diss track? Who said that? No, no, no. But then... Because that intro was diss. No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was replaced. But we heard it. We all heard it. But then that sounded like live nigga rap. That was it. That's what he used that verse. That's what he used that verse. But originally, LA, LA. And then here's my question is Tupac came at y'all.

You know this is my record. Did you ever at one point want to be like, it's them niggas' record? Like what? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that's what I'm trying to say. That's my question. But I didn't give a fuck.

Yeah, yeah. Because I was like. Because what did y'all do? What was the record? I loved the record. You just dropped it too late when you you went back and drop a gem on but I didn't kid cuz I was like yo this nigga Tupac the nigga from juice saying our name right so I was like fuck who gives't give a fuck. Right, right. Like, who gives a fuck? You know what I'm saying? Because we got like 100 Queensmen niggas with us.

And we would fucking kill you. But I love Tupac, though. But at the time. But at the time. But at the time. Did you realize how beefed, I mean, how big that moment was? Like, it was huge. Like, for Tupac to diss you, it's like you go platinum

or something. I'm keeping it real. That's how I feel. It was hard. Tupacac to diss you, it's like you go platinum or something. I'm keeping it real. That's how I feel. It was hard. Tupac was the original petty, dude. I wanted Tupac to diss me. I was like, why you say more of these? That was awesome.

Tupac. You wanted him to say it? Yeah, I was like, yo, what the fuck? That's Capone and Rodriguez shit. But then I thought about it. I said, I was super broke at that moment. So I couldn't afford no fucking Tupac beef, but they came at you. It's a fact, my nigga.

At one point, on one arm I was mad that he dissed y'all, but on the other arm I was like, holy shit, I wiped my sweat. But y'all went back. I didn't give a fuck. You didn't give a fuck. You dropped a gem on her. We did drop a gem on her. It was a crazy record.

Because I always thought that even if we did see each other, it was going to be like, whatever. It wasn't going to be no real shit. You know what I mean? We come from the hood, so the real shit is in the hood. And these other niggas is just rappers. So, you know. This is real shit right there. This is real shit.

The fans and the people want to know this LA LA story. This is real shit right there. This is real shit. The fans and the people want to know this LA, LA story. This is dope. Like, you did my first video. When that LA, LA shit was out, believe me, we was going to LA under aliases. Like, we couldn't just, because Biggie got killed. Yo, nah, I'm not going to lie. I remember this time. That's true.

At this time. What's the chronological order of that, though? So when LA, LA came out, years that 96 right and he had died when 96 no no no Google Google Google I could swear that big head died yeah no he's it now no cuz my first then Biggie died oh no no no we need to Google's so this is way before big old man Biggie and pop that right yeah I was in my biggie head test for sure was in 97 yeah all right yeah so it's still 97 but still would you say you wouldn't alias names all I know is I remember like when all of that when all of that stuff was going

down which was crazy it was the East Coast, West Coast beef. Somebody probably didn't even fucking die yet. Yeah, it was some bullshit. You understand what I'm saying? So when they did die, you understand, it was like, okay, bulletproof cars, names under aliases, but California is a market that you have to be in to sell records. It's like a huge market. And it's one of our number one markets to this day.

You understand what I'm saying? And I'm sure you can agree. Yeah, I love California. I'm out there August 27th. I got a crib out there. Let's make some noise for Havoc Flawson. Havoc Flawson. Havoc, you're an old school nigga.

I have a timeshare out there. Yo, Havoc rolled up in a yellow cab let's make some noise for that nigga my you got a you that's some old-school shit because because that's a most because my uber account was compromised somebody knows i don't even want to explain it when i use the uber somebody knows i'm using you're not good with computers one day one time you got um tapped right yeah um they said that you said shit like you're not good with computers right you need to get the original that's his segway that's his segway he, oh shit, you be fucking up with Confetti. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was those messages true? Like, fuck it, let's just keep it real.

Let's talk about it. Fuck it, let's just go in there. If niggas see the messages I sent to Capone, shit. It's all good. It's the same shit. It might not. You went a little too far. I did.

You called him a faggot and all that. You went a little too far. Yo, don't come down here with the boobs. There was a shootout. Heavy D was involved. He wasn't shooting, but he was there. Now, in your opinion, you both knowing Pac and Big. There's very few people who know Pac and Big.

There's people who know Pac great, and there's people who know Big a little bit. People who know Big a lot, there's people who know Pac a little bit. But you know them both for them. Right. Do you think they could have ever squashed that? Like, oh, no. Yeah, that would have been so anyway. I mean on the people show when Pac got out of jail, I do I interview Pac.

Then I went to interview Biggie and then through the interviewing process of it. It was more like I was interviewing them for the people show, but I was like niggas chill the fuck out. Wow, you don't do it. I was interviewing them for the Peep show, but I was like, niggas, chill the fuck out. Wow. So it was more me having a conversation with them about, chill the fuck out. You two motherfuckers need to make money. This shit is about money. Y'all taking this to the fucking extreme because, you know, I was in St. Louis doing a show with Big. And Big out there, you know, motherfuckers, they wanted Big to diss Pop on stage. Like in a movie.

And they were booing. Right. You know, I'm sitting up there like, you know, I'm like, okay, you know, the mediator, the whole shit. And Big wasn't dissing. So then when I interviewed Pop, Pop was just going crazy. You know, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah fuck this girl and did this and did that and all this and I'm like so we interview over there look at me you need to chill the fuck out

you know what I'm saying so me and him had you know we could talk cause I know him before he linked up with you know with the death row dudes I knew him when he was with Digital Underground so I know this young dude he you know on some black power shit.

Right. You know, I know where he come from, so, you know, you ain't on, would you, you know, I'm like, would you change? What are you doing? Right.

You know what I'm saying? You're on that, you know, on that black man shit, which is, I know how you, that's how you raised. Right. You're always on that. You ain't on no,

do nothing to other black men, so. Right. You know, we had that conversation and, you know, I went to go interview Biggie. Big wouldn't say one word about him. Yeah. Big wouldn't talk.

Big, you know, Big wouldn't say nothing. He was like, nah, nah, nah. You know, he just kept it like, kept it like really 100. So it was, they were going to talk. You know, after me, after I had the conversation with both of them, you know, they were they were gonna talk you know after me after I had the conversation with both of them you know they were gonna talk but then for some reason see that you knew pop pre death row yeah and in was that after right well what do you think which Which park you related to more?

The park before. Before death row. The digital underground. Yeah, it's almost like... Two different people. The Holliday Heavy. Totally. Same person, two different people, though.

Totally. He's a Gemini, man. I can relate. I'm a Gemini. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like a young dude hanging out with a crew of people, then you conforming to that crew.

That's why I always, when I'm working with kids, I tell kids, don't be no follower. In the back of my mind, I'm thinking about them soldiers who did, like Pac. You know what I'm saying? You got to be your own man. You can't get caught up in the shit somebody else trying to be. You think Pac was following, though, in that sense? I think he had a plan to get out of that situation

or change the trajectory of what he was trying to do. That's what everybody says, at least. Well, when you on some real black man shit. Like, Brenda got a baby, and then you go over here. Not exactly Brenda. I mean, he was deep. He was deep. He was on some real black man shit you know black powder black like this he was on some deep black man and then so now you get linked up with this crew on it or some

different shit then you conform to be like that you feel me so I knew him before that you know there's this young man who just trying to get on trying to get his music heard trying to do the right thing I'm on some black man shit he was more he was more deeper than then public enemy didn't public enemy on that black man shit so then I will you go and you link with this crew here then you kind of conform to that. And then now you got a whole crew. And you had already had beef with Death Row, so you knew what type of mind state they were.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, it was like on some, you know, we tough guy shit. So then now you got this young guy that's really, you know, just searching for a family. Yeah. You bring him in and before you know it he can form into you know it's like uh become a product of your environment so he became a product of that

environment all right god damn that was deep man let's make some noise for luke before we move on to that you ever hung out with Pun as well? Big Pun, yeah. I did a song with him. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did a song. How was it hanging out with Pun?

That was like one of my best friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pun and Joe, I remember when I first met Joe, I went to the fucking club in the Puerto Rican club. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm half Puerto Rican. Come on. Let's go to the story.

Let's get to it. So I go to the club and hang out with Joe and Pun and Joe beat the shit out of some motherfucker in the club. I'm like, this motherfucker here is out of control.

Joe just slapped up some motherfucker and I'm like, what the fuck is this, right? But after that, I mean, we ended up doing something together

with Pun and some of the other guys in the group. Next up is from episode 86 of Drink Champs. We sat down with the legendary film director, John Singleton. And man, what can I say? You know, it's it really hurt to, you know, to see John go, you know, and I'm just really happy that that we had a chance to sit down with him. It's never a good thing when people leave, it seems, before their time. And just felt like John had a lot of things left to do.

So it's very unfortunate. And our condolences to his entire family and close friends. But we're grateful that we got the opportunity to sit down with him really humble guy for everything he had accomplished so in case you missed it check out episode 86 with our guest john singleton um but here's some moments from it and you're so rich man we hear you got yachts and all type of things we love you man we love you man and you We love you, man. And you know what? You're a humble guy, but I'm going to brag for you. Yachting on cop's days.

I'm going to brag for you, man. God damn it. Come on, look at me. Yeah, I'm going to brag for you, man. You know what I mean? Listen, I don't know if you know, but our show is about giving our legends flowers when they can smell them and trees when they can inhale them. Because our society so much praises a person after they die.

And I feel like that is so backwards. Yeah, exactly. I should be able to tell you how much I appreciate you right here, face-to-face, man-to-man, eye-to-eye, as opposed to waiting for you to pass away and then be like, yeah, he was a great guy. Me and him partied together back in the day. I should say that now.

You know what I'm saying? And I actually learned that through Dave Chappelle. It was Prince, and it was like he started praising Prince while Prince was alive. And it's just like, that's what we got to continue to do. And that's not just as a culture. That's as people, as humans.

As human beings. As human beings, we got to start praising our people while they're here. So with that being said, I wasn't working with Janet Jackson. Penny. You know, come on, man. It was beautiful.

It was great. I jerked off to Penny a lot. I'm going to throw that out there. It was good. I don't know if this interview got awkward. Was that serious, that whole AIDS thing? No, that was not serious. That was a joke that we was having on the set because the real talk is Tupac was attracted to Janet.

I was attracted to Janet. The world was attracted to Janet. I was attracted to Janet. The world was attracted to Janet. If you're not attracted to Janet, I could be attracted to Janet. We're on the set. We're both trying to like, you know, flirt with her and stuff. And I'm like, you know, well, I don't know if, you know, I should have you kissing on my actress because, you know, you've been fucking around doing all this shit. You know, Pac was just coming in his own there, right? And I was like, man, fuck that shit.

I was like, hell yeah. And you know what? You're going to have to to do a test for y'all do this love scene there was a joke she said that no no you said it's you know it's me saw not my nigga on the side right before just like you know like it's on shit and then we like oh shit we said we should we should use this put this out and so that's what we did as a publicity thing as a publicity and we just did best just like us talking about we have Twitter everybody got mad at Janet Jackson about it was just us talking on the shit on the set and everything this and you know

it was an inside joke that's what the way now not only did you get to work with Janet Jackson but you got to work with the big man Mike Jackson did he have a glove on when you met him no he didn't have a glove on he swear he wore it the whole time like I ain't gonna lie and he did it's crazy cuz in his in his prime moments you see Michael on camera and all that stuff he didn't talk the way that he talks you know and oh you saying Mike Mike was a nigga like the whole camera Mike was like He had a different tone and everything? He had a different tone and everything. Come on, you got to describe this to him. Yeah.

You got to describe this. No, I'm just saying that Mike would just, that was an expectation that he put on for the cameras. He didn't, he wasn't talking like that. He was just a brother. He was just a different demeanor and everything. Different demeanor and everything. It's just like, you know, he's just like, hey, you know.

And he was really, despite what he, you know, he ended up doing to his face and his skin got lighter and everything. He was a real brother, man. He was really about black people. Because I heard that video, that was after Magic actually announced and he wanted to do something for Magic. And Mike wanted Magic in the video. He said, call on Magic. Let's get him in the video.

Remember the time? Yeah, remember the time, yeah. I hear that shit in my hair right now Wow The angle I couldn't have met Michael Jackson. I would like I would gave him out of game on five too hard Not even a chair gave us the crazy Michael Jackson So how Okay, okay. So was he a pure genius?

Was he everything? He's damn near a genius. I mean, damn near a genius. I mean, the things that he did and that he wanted to do and stuff, unprecedented in this business. He was a genius. Have you ever been starstruck? You ever been?

Yeah. Who you starstruck? I got to hear this. I mean, I've only been starstruck two times in my whole career. I need to hear both. Let's go for it. The first was meeting Steven Spielberg. Oh.

Because it's like, you know, as a kid growing up, you know, like, he was the, you know, the young person that went on to make movies at an early age. And I wanted to be like that. Just nervous to, you know, I saw him and as soon as I saw him and we met, just, it was like, it was like, you know, it was great. He's like the godfather in your business. Godfather of filmmaking or filmmaking. The second was Richard Pryor. You met Richard Pryor?

Yeah Richard Pryor. Damn where did you meet Richard Pryor? I met Richard Pryor at the comedy store. I used to hang out at the comedy store. In my mind as soon as you

said you met Richard Pryor I thought the comedy store. And so and it's funny because Richard Pryor was hanging out with Al Pacino. Comedy Club in Hollywood. Yo you hear this

with Al Pacino? Wait wait hold on. Did he just sneak Al Pacino in this story? Richard Pryor was hanging out with Al Pacino. Comedy Club in Hollywood. Yo, you hear this with Al Pacino? Wait, wait, hold on. Did you just sneak Al Pacino in this story? Richard Pryor was hanging out with Al Pacino. I can't even imagine that, Harry. I love Al Pacino. Your life is dope. And I'm like.

Let's throw that out there. I don't even look at Al Pacino. I'm looking at Richard Pryor. But Richard used to have this dude that worked for him. It came over to me and he said, you know, Richard would like to say hello to you.

And I walked across the room and Richard was kind of frail. The MS was getting him, but it wasn't as bad. He wasn't wheelchair bound. Yeah, he wasn't wheelchair bound. And he just said, are you the young man

that made that movie? Boys in the Hood just came out. And I said, yes, sir, I am am and mind you you cuz you like me you listen to every Richard Pryor's mama had since birth he said are you the young man that made the movie I said yes sir yeah and he goes and gives me a hug i just cried on the shoulder i said man man i said because because this is a man and then after that we became friends i used to go up to his house so he'd be sitting up in the bed he had

a gun right by the side of his bed this had a gun right next to his bed and every comedian the waynes brothers whoever it was people guns out on them? No, no. All these people would come through. Pay homage. They would come through every day to pay homage to Richard. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network, hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores, and brought to you by Velvet Buck. This podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode, I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West.

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Up next, I mean, there's not much that can be said that isn't always said and just known about Biggie Smalls, a.k.a. the Notorious B.I.G. Big is just, you know is just bigger than life. He's just one of those iconic figures in hip-hop. And you can't even just begin to imagine what he would have accomplished if he would still be here with us and what he could have done. Unfortunately, again, an untimely death for such a great hip-hop artist. Just a great artist in general.

But but for hip hop, it's just he was just monumental and so, so iconic. So these next stories come from Uncle Luke, E-40, Puffy and Little C's. Listen as they share their notorious B.I.G. stories. You know, rest in peace, Biggie Smalls. Big man, we love you, man. Let's get into these stories. You was in a car accident? Yeah, we was in a car accident.

Okay, because you was like the driver. I heard Big never drove. Never drove. Never drove. Never drove a day in his life. Okay, so what happened? We had got arrested the day before that. Let's make some noise for Little C's and Biggie getting arrested.

We had got arrested Downtown Brooklyn For some bud And they took our truck When we got the truck back That day The Lex truck? Yeah the Lexus We got it back

The shit didn't work So they had to ship the shit To the car dealership We went there the next morning To pick up a loaner's car And it was a Lumina van A Lumina van? Yeah we traded

In a Lexus car For a Lumina van And I was like B.I. shouldn't we get a Lexus? He was like, nah, we're going to ride low. Let's just take this job. And I jumped in that shit, and we were driving around this little fork,

and the shit just sped out of control. I ran into a rail. Wow. How old were you at that? About 16. Oh, that's what it says. And you was already driving? I was already driving.

No license. No license. Speak some noise so you're not having a license. She was doing a lot of things, man. Yo. Yo. Had no L's. Driving dirty as Speak some noise so you're not having a license. She was doing a lot of things. Had no L's. Driving dirty as Kay Rosewood.

You want to answer it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what happened. He fucked up his leg. I had to get these gold fronts to replace two joints that was fucked up. That's why he had to put down the rhyme and play me like that. And that's why he always had the cane too, right?

Because that time in the radio station when he said that rhyme, was that the first time you heard that rhyme or had you heard it before? No, no, I heard the song already. Because you looked in the radio station when he said that rhyme, was that the first time you heard that rhyme? Nah, nah, I heard the song over there. Cause you looked at Shaheem. He already blew me. He already killed me. I had to accept that one though, you know what I mean? I took one for the team.

Right. So now, also, right, I wanted to ask this question. This comes via Shaheem Reid, I believe. My man Shaheem? He said believe. My man, Shaheem? He said, what were Biggie's plans for the Commission album with Jay? Who else was supposed to be in that group? What label was it supposed to be on and who was supposed to be in it? Damn, the Commission.

Yeah, the Commission. He didn't have no label idea for it yet, so he didn't know what label he was going to do it on. It probably was going to be on Undears, though, because that was his label with Un. He probably was going to do it on there, depending on fire what Jay was gonna do right but the Commission was me Jay Z Charlie Baltimore big and uh and on Wow I'm in no but I like the boss of it but I spoke and that's his way I like pushing Charlie out he was gonna push Charlie right through the commission

shit so that's how he was gonna break that down I actually spoke to on the other day and it was crazy because Un said to me, he said, you know what's the craziest shit, Nori? Nobody's never interviewed him about Big. Like, he was his business partner. And people did. That's real. So, you know, I was doing drink champs.

He had to sit there and just think about it and was like, yo, you know what? Nobody never really asks me about Big. Because I guess what happened after Big, because Cam was supposed to be signed to you guys, right? Undias, was it? Was the label called Undias? Undias. On Sony. Yeah, because Cam was actually Big's artist.

And Capone. Oh, and Capone. Yes, yes. I don't know if you all know this. And you said you signed him a couple times. This would be our favorite right here. I'm going to tell you. You got to say that story again.

I'm going to tell you, too. I was so scared. I was so scared of Big because that's all I listened to in jail. We all was fucking with Norris. That's all I was listening to in jail. So I seen him in front of Hot 97. And he was like, yo, he asked something. He asked to rhyme.

And I was shook. But Capone did rhyme. And he was like, yo, I'm making you Junior Mafia tomorrow. Word is born. And I was so but Capone did rhyme and he was like yo I'm making you Junior Mafia tomorrow, word is born and I was so hated I was like he's leaving me. I'm like yo I'm fucked up. He was trying to get the squad. That seems to always put us on to your shit.

You know what the crazy shit was? When Big in the movie, when Big's making these last phone calls, the crazy shit was Big had called me and he played me T.O. and Y. And I was like, it's funny. Wait a minute, say this again? Yes. He called you? He called me and was like, yo.

That's going to be our favorite record, my nigga. I'm fucking with this. And at the time, T.O. and Y's not out. So I'm thinking, they bootlegging me, baby. I'm like, yo, where'd you get that from? And I told him he didn't put two and two together, that Nasheen was a bad way to do something. That's how we used to get shit. We could get put on to shit or not.

So I didn't know. So just imagine that, like, getting that call. And I'm worried about, yo, my shit is bootleg. It's over with me. But so now, see, you've been your whole childhood. So was he always the best rapper alive? Or you knew? He was nice back then.

Back then? I just knew from the rip he was dope. You know what I'm saying? We didn't think he was going to be to the level of what it is now or what he became even when he was out. We didn't think it was that, but he was nice. What was the age difference between y'all? Five years. Like the big brother.

Yeah, when he was 20, I was 15 years old. He took me out the street since I was 11. I knew him since I was like five, six years old and I was going to public school, see him on Fulton street. And then another five years I was on that same strip trying to hustle and do all that shit. And he seen that shit wasn't in me. Like, nigga, that ain't true. Like, just get the fuck out of here. Nah, I'm going to take you. Let's move a different way. Yeah, took me out of that zone ASAP.

And you know what's funny? A lot of people give Jay-Z credit for, like, you know, putting, like, a lot of his friends on. But a lot of people don't really realize that Big did that first. Nah, yeah. You saw that, yeah. Look how many people came from that camp. Cam Ron, Lil' C's, Charlie Baltimore. Yeah.

The whole Junior Mafia. The whole Junior Mafia. And Diaz. And Diaz. You came from that camp. Cam Ron, Little C's, Charlie Baltimore. Yeah. The whole Junior Mafia. The whole Junior Mafia. Undears. Undears. Undears. Jacob York. Jacob York is still out here doing some shit. He got Caruce and all that.

Big you up, Jacob York. Big him up, Jacob York. He had a club in Atlanta. Yeah. He was doing good. Jacob out there doing big shit. And all that came from just B.I. getting put on. Right.

He set off all them pipelines for anybody to do a bunch of shit. Was that his plan from the beginning? Was like, I'm going to get on and then... Because then you had that album. What's that album? That's one of my favorites. That was one of the most slept on albums in the world, my brother. My brother like, for real. Rob Markman Why do you think people slept on that album?

My brother I just think Atlantic didn't push it. I don't think they pushed it the right way. You know what I'm saying? And the money that we had that they gave us, we used it wrong. We shoot on expensive ass videos, $60,000, $80,000 videos. And once you do that first video, it don't work. They don't want to shoot no more videos. They're like, nah, let's see what happened. Another two weeks, another month, shit don't move. And they just kind of just let it go. You know what I mean? But long as people liked

it and accepted it, I was cool with that. You know what I'm saying? I always wanted to ask, like Crush On You video, right? That was like the first time we seen a female change wigs. Like, did you? Like, she was like, she, like, you know she changed wigs. Like, man. Like a white girl change. A white girl change. Like, was, was, was that something that y'all was like,

this is dope? Or was you like, because you know, sometimes you be skeptic or something and it didn't work. You'd be like, yeah, oh, I knew it all along. But you know it deep down inside. You're like, this is a risk. Us as little niggas, we just sat around and just let, that was un let that was fun

That was all on shit Wow they gave on the shot like to do the partnership with ideas and under one that was doing the ideas for the videos I did all our videos get money players anthem. Yeah, I'm on you. We just we just did whatever I said to do Yeah, he directed all those videos. Mm. That was fun. That was that was his way in the business No, I'm saying you have prior experience in the business. Nothing. That's crazy. He came straight from the streets. Straight trap and went from hustling and went behind the camera. I got some ideas and they trusted him. And all them shits just happened to pop and they rocked for us.

We didn't say no. We just PYP, played opposition. Where you want me to go? Go here, go here. And just so happened the shit blew up. You know what I'm saying? And that was all within us. That was all the fam team.

We was like big. We was like big Guinea. We was his creation. We was learning all that shit from Puff. And was like, no, I ain't taking Junior Mafia to Puff. Right. This is going to be my own thing. Let me see if I can learn what I learned from him.

That's very interesting. Because Junior Mafia was on Atlantic. That's very interesting. Everybody was like, yo, why y'all didn't sign the bad boy? Even at that time, they was trying to spread rumors. Like big. But I always seen big, cool with Puff. We just always been like a second family. Right.

No, that was B.I.'s shit. You know what I'm saying? B.I. created us through a whole other pipeline. Everything he learned from Puff, he kind of tested it with us. Right. And the shit worked. The shit worked. Let's make some noise for B.I.G.

God damn it. What do you think B.I.'s next move would have been? He was doing things monumental, so what was his next move would have been had he been alive? His whole thing was the music. That's all. That nigga was a fan of music. His next thing was Cam's face in another Junior Mafia project.

He wanted to do the commission shit. He was going to sign Cam. His shit was about music. He wanted to set up his own empire He was going to sign Cam. His shit was about music. He wanted to set up his own empire. That was a big whole thing. Like, yo, dawg, I just want to give it a bunch of nice niggas

and put some shit together and just let it run from there. He wanted to do five albums and retire. He was going to write my albums after that. I'm just going to write a bunch of Lil C's albums.

You got to let Biggie write your rhymes. You got to let everybody write your rhymes. You got to relax. You got to relax. He knew me my whole life, so it was easy for him

to write for me. I got built into being that shit. I didn me my whole life, so it was easy for him to write for me. Right, right. I got built into being that shit. I didn't sit back. I didn't want to be a rapper. I wasn't 10 years old, 11 years old, talking about, yo, I'm ready to spin.

I'm ready to get busy. I love the music. I love listening to it. You know, that was my thing, but I never thought about rapping. It was just a thing for him. Like, all right, this little nigga,

he got the wave. He know what to do. So before you even knew it, he told you, you're going to be rhyming. Yo, I'm going to write you an album. All right, cool. I'm down. Say no more. Yeah, what you want me to do? Because I was rocking with him, doing the hype man stuff with him. So we would do colleges and shit like that. And all these little kids

would be going crazy. He was watching that shit like, OK. The only thing I need to do is just write him some rhymes. Write him some little cool ass rhymes. He's going to be this little cool kid with the knapsack, Tommy Hilfiger. He should tell me he don't want no niggas to like me. Just all bitches. Yeah, that's why you was on a kit with no shirt on. That's why I had a crush on you. With the LL Cool J hat on and no shirt on.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That was my creation after that. The big one was my album. It was supposed to be some straight like Bow Wow, Puppy Love. That was the big name of my album, Puppy Love. A real cool, bunch of crush on you type of rap. Yeah, I was about to say, I'm glad you didn't do that. Now when he died, I can't, my whole shit was like, the wonderful world is season

one. I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. my album puppy love a real cool bunch of crushes now when he died i can't my whole was like the wonderful world of season leo that was me with the kango butt ass with the hands covering me that was season leo idea like all right i need to make a a different kind of approach to my how'd you link up with big i mean you know uh i brought him down to do a show. You know, it was Super Bowl weekend.

And then, you know, he came in. It was like, you know, him and Junior Murphy and all that. Right. It was like, Big was like, okay, man, I'm doing your Pac Jam. The team discourse, actually. The big one. The second one was around the corner. And he was like, man, I ain't going to do that motherfucker unless you come.

Because Pac Jam here was what we call it was Apollo South They will go up in there and ours will go in there and if you looking like this at your ass I you know motherfucker you better get to the song, you know, cuz we really know Joe You know the hardest all of a sound man that you have dirty guy like who came out and like he smoked a dirty and got the people off the stage? No, no, no. No, the crowd would be booing your ass and throwing shit. Oh, wow. It was a rite of passage, man. Yeah, so Billy was like, yo, I ain't doing that, motherfucker, unless you come up in there. And so me and him, you know, we ended up linking up that weekend, and we was friends forever.

I mean, he would tell me stories about, you know, him being a big fan of poison claim you don't say you told me was like man this fucking JT money you know I you know before I got in the business I got all this shit so it was like damn so you know I'm looking at him I use like nah man that was my dude that's my dude and so mean him hit it off every time you come down I go to New York I'm gonna hang out with him right and we end up doing a record together and you wasn't there when he And so me and him hit it off every time he come down. I go to New York, I would hang out with him. And we ended up doing a record together. And you wasn't there when he died in LA, right?

I was in LA. Actually, I was in the studio doing it. I was supposed to link up with him. I read that somewhere. Me and Snoop Dogg was in the studio doing the song. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. I think when you were in the Breakfast Club.

So yeah, when they ended up, when they told us about him dead, then we were sitting in told us about him did then you know We were sitting in the studio and I think you said on a breakfast club You were supposed to meet with him somewhere. Yeah, we were supposed to go to another party. It was at a party We're recording and uh, and we were supposed to go link up after God bless big man. God bless you. Do your mafia? You don't say um And did you ever meet Tupac oh yeah no that was my guy let's break down some to this system now is the bitches involved

of course I was that was another one of my little son pop would come down you know, hang out. Pop was like George Jefferson. You ever look at George Jefferson on the Jefferson? That motherfucker just sit in the car and talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. I mean, we would be on the road together. We'd see each other. He would be in my room. I'm sitting there laying down, sleep.

This motherfucker still talking. God damn. You know, I'd have heard every story there was. I mean, but that was Pac with my dude. That's my nigga. That's what's up. So look, let me ask you, because it had to be weird from you. Everybody knew you ran Miami, after especially all the turmoil,

all the beats and everybody, everybody clearly knew that that was your section. But now this East Coast... ...'cause them niggas personalities was ill. Like, those fat niggas got good personalities. They got the best. And fuck that. I think I think I would have been an afrocentric on social media.

Word. I don't think that nigga would have been terrorizing people. Yeah. How was that? How was the transition? Because you knew Pac, you knew Pac and Big when they were cool. Yeah. Like even in the movie, it's like you see Big and you say, yo, Parker's in the joint. And that was all love.

Yup. So how was Dak to see that transition? Because... I mean, it was fucked up because Big really had genuine love for him. And we all know he had genuine love for Big too. Right. Let me let you know something.

If something wanted to happen, it could have happened. Right. You know what I'm saying? Nothing could have stopped that, though. We were seeing each other in plenty of places and if something could have happened, it could have happened. You know what I'm saying? Nothing could have stopped that, though. We were seeing each other in plenty of places, and if something could have happened, it wouldn't. So you're saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You're saying as these records is out, y'all was seeing each other in the club? We saw each other a few times at the Soul Train Awards when they rolled up on us. Something could have happened at that time if they wanted it to. And Nas, too. Yeah. Situations happened before, but it just never went there.

And I just think he didn't really want that I just think he had a lot of people behind him pushing him and it was vice versa You know you had people in our here too It got out of control and us too, you know I'm saying but they never would have did nothing to each other because genuinely He knew big had love for him and big knew he had love for him He would he I just think he was just going with a situation I mean you got niggas that just bells you out of jail and you owe your loyalty to that He ain't do nothing wrong by that. I mean these are Jiminy's to take you out of a situation. You got niggas that just bailed you out of jail and you owe your loyalty to that. He ain't do nothing wrong by that.

Two Geminis too. That took you out of a situation. A little bit older than the Geminis. Yeah. And they both died the same way. That shit is so crazy. Six months apart, the same kind of situation.

The albums, Machiavelli, and the way they died. It didn't even make sense that that happened. All that shit is just a whole weird thing. I was just thinking

that's just how it was meant to be. You can't change it. You can't do the what ifs and it was just fucked. They both got caught up in a bad situation, my nigga. They ain't deserve that. Rest in peace to both of them, bro. Rest in peace to the Pops, rest in peace to B.I.B. I always wish they had passed it up because I think that would have been the illest.

And they would. They would. I spoke to them in the old room. Because we did a record together for K. Slade called Bury the Hatchet. I did with the Outlaws. And you know, it took us 15 years for us to sit down and talk my nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like we ain't like each other for 15 years and none of us have even met each other or knew each other or nothing.

And one day we spoke through a female. One day I'm talking to this chick and she must have said my name real loud and Young Noble heard it, grabbed the phone from her, yo who this? Real aggressive. And I'm just like this Steve, this Young Noble Outlaws. I'm like, I heard you, what's up? This Young Noble Outlaws, I heard you. What's good?

And we sat there and we talked for about two hours. We got a chance to really speak on shit. He ain't know a lot of shit that was going on on our side. I ain't know a lot of shit that was going on over there. And we spoke, and then he came to New York one day and we got up and sat down and kicked it. Them my niggas to this day. He said, yo, when Pop was going to Vegas before that,

he was like, yo, when he come back from Vegas, he was going to sell that shit with Big. Wow. Damn. You know what I mean? So that shit was going to get deaded, you know what I mean, eventually. You know what I mean? It was going to get squashed.

He really knew what happened. He knew what was going on. He knew Big didn't have nothing to do with that. He knew we didn't have nothing to do with that. I just think he was just caught up in a situation. And this is Vice Versa 2. There's things that Big could have that big change it. He was young We don't realize how young they were dog, you know in his forties making these type of mistakes

We should be fucking up Kids I look at it now cuz I'm over 30. I'm over 30 years old. I'm almost 40 So I'm looking I look at it now like damn these niggas actually babies though. We didn't right niggas They know no better andas was actually babies dog. We didn't, niggas ain't know no better. And Big was acting pretty damn mature at that time. We didn't know how big he was. He was acting real mature about it. Let me tell you something. When we dropped LA LA, I stepped up to Big and I told him that.

He said, he said, yo, I don't want to be, I don't want that record to come out because what they accusing me for Norrie, I ain't do. So I got to, like he always knew to take the high road. Like it was ill. That's how he was. He'll tell you like, nah dog, that ain't the way, but you know, to each his own. You want to do that, he always knew to take the high road. Like, it was ill. That's how he was. He would tell you, like, nah, dog, that ain't the way. But, you know, to each his own.

You want to do that, you know, do that. We couldn't stop them from doing that, but we was loving them for doing it. You know what I'm saying? Like, niggas like, man, we stepping up to the plate. But it's like, yo, dog, let's not, we don't want to do that. We trying to get some money, you know? Like, you know, that's how B.I. shit was, dog. We trying to get money.

We ain't in this shit for that. And if you're going to beat beef, don't make it hot. You're going to make it hot. You're going to make it hot.'re gonna make it hot you make it respond to the reaction to nothing yeah they can't say nothing you don't know what's gonna happen when you see I ain't saying nothing no response you bigger cut you off you respond to anything now you make a record don't call me no more don't come to my crib nigga you're you're done. Finish. We don't do that. Now for the record, the rumor is, Who Shot Ya?

was recorded way prior to any- Way before that happened. As a vinyl, like it didn't make sense. Before any Tupac record. That's supposed to be from Mary J. Alba. You feel me? I ain't no bragging ass nigga, none of that shit. But I don't know personally, so I would like to ask you.

And God bless you. We just want to know. God bless you. I wish he was alive too, brother. I think hip hop would be more alive too. Let's make some noise. Let's make some noise. I think hip hop would be riding right now.

Oh yeah, I think so. But what happened though? He came to the Bay. He was in Sacramento. I didn't even know. You got him out there, right? You all brought him out there? No, no, no.

It was some people I knew, but I didn't know. I didn't even know the motherfuckers had him out in sacramento i didn't even know you got him out there right like y'all brought no no no it was some people i knew but i didn't know i didn't even know the had him out there because they didn't promote it right or some but they was they hit me at 11 o'clock something like that night they were like man i got to first of all the way i i didn't have nothing against him man i know uh puck had issues because puck really knew him i didn't know him like that but he had gotten uh so it's shit the shit that happened at quads to notice is what we're able for this was uh shit this was what year was this man I don't know I forgot man but anyway you could do you do Dylan's this is all and shit yeah anyway so the thing is is that um

what he do he awesome magazine it was a magazine a Canadian magazine dude had did interviews in and he they said they said they got him drunk just like you motherfuckers got him hella drunk and start asking him on a scale from 1 to 10 from you know from 1 to 10 who do you you know who you rate this like he says spice ones and ice cubes before like everybody in industry There was somebody right and he got to my name and he's all man. He's big boo boo. He's whack man Get he got he get give him get him a zero. Oh You know Tom about my you I've been wearing Kangol's in high school. I'm almost 49 years old old dude had the kind of same kind of swag I had like you know Coogee shirts

was uh this was the Versace all we just you know that was the shit when you attack cool are you fucking with it you know I said he was just on the West he was on the East Coast I'm on the west coast so I don't know if that's what had him saying the nigga zero book my my style is unorthodox So the motherfuckers that think they can't catch it They catch it later because I say a lot of shit that it ain't just slang just the shit I say, you know says kind of head of his time, you know, Danny like all me cuz this fans that I had got right now That's diehards that didn't understand me. They say man when I was younger I just thought she was whack

But as I start listening more and more and begin living the life did and going through this down the third I'm like my nigga you the best inside for this right you feel me so to make a long story short man so dude um I saw a nigga everybody had got wind of the shit you know I'm talking about and that's what far as him dissing me in that magazine so my little dudes they was all hiding shit too so they just so happened to sneak up to Sacramento you know I'm talking about they had I guess the dude number they stood the show he was out there they called me at 11 something at night party what you want me to do

with this nigga whoopty whoo and I told him I put the nigga on the phone you feel me like that so I put him on the phone and whatnot and we chopped it up and he was like man 40 You know man look man. I was drunk man, but I fuck with you Duke You know saying I fuck with 40 y'all heard the story before and all that I'm so glad nothing happened to him. I'm you know what I mean? I didn't want that on so you wasn't even there physically I wouldn't even if I would have seen that when the child of knocking down It wasn't then and I see him later on week. We chopped it up matter of fact I was supposed to be on this last album Wow

Life after death Wow If you go if we if we find the actual physical copy Back then we did shout outs. We shout out. We shout out people things Go look in there. Just go say shout out to e40 Wow you feel what I'm saying? So that shit was done with man. All right, you like that yeah let's make some noise to that to tell you the truth um a 40 I actually never actually heard the story I heard the rumor like rumors pieces of it yeah oh by the way I didn't set it up I meant to say that I definitely had that and that's on that's on everything I love right and I don't

lie like that now play with God right they didn't set that up no that's on that's on everything I love right and I don't lie like that now play with God right They didn't set that up. No, that's the rumor the rumors Claim that shit, you know I ain't gonna claim it. I ain't gonna act like I you know me So this was he came to the Bay Area. He couldn't leave unless he spoke to you. He wasn't even the bay He was in Sacramento, which is northern California it's northern California but it's not the bay that's my mom got Tito in five oh so what's all my Mexican home brother Ali you know tell Ali get well soon man you killed him I stepped up too big and I told him that he said he said yo I don't want to be um I don't want that record to come out because what they accusing me for, Nori, I ain't do. So I got to, like, he always knew to take the high road.

Like, it was ill. That's how he was. He'll tell you, like, nah, dog, that ain't the way, but, you know, to each his own. You want to do that, you know, do that. We couldn't stop them from doing that, but we was loving them for doing it. You know what I'm saying? Like, they was like, man, we stepping up to the plate. But it's like, yo, dog, let's not, we don't want to do that.

We trying to get some money, you know? Like, you know, that's how B.I. shit was, though. We're trying to get money. We ain't in this shit for that. And if you're going to beat beef, don't make it hot. You're going to make it hot. You're making records about niggas and all that. You're going to do some real shit.

You don't respond to nothing. Niggas don't know your reaction to nothing. Man, big ain't say nothing. You don't know what's going to happen when you see it. I ain't saying nothing. No response. If you're big, I'll cut you off if you respond to anything. Oh, you make a record?

Don't call me no more. Don't come to my crib, nigga. You're done. Finish. We don't saying nothing. No response. If you're big, I'll cut you off if you respond to anything. Oh, you make a record? Don't call me no more. Don't come to my crib, nigga. You're done. Finish. We don't do that. Now, for the record, the rumor is Who Shot Ya was recorded way prior to any- Way before that happened. As a vinyl.

Yeah, it didn't make sense. Before any Tupac record. That's supposed to have been for Mary J. album. That's supposed to have been the intro to her first album. Get the fuck out. Who Shot Mary J album for her That's what an intro to her first album get the fuck up who shot my life They're putting the second album intro to the second album. It was too hard for that was so he took it We gotta put you over there You got what you over there kiss. I'm hanging out my man for about a week Yeah, kiss the serious and he go to the gym, too, every day. And then he snapped and got up and ran for no mouth.

He don't play no games and would drink with you. So you said Who Shot Ya was done for what? That was for Mary J. Blige. That was the intro to her second album. And it was Keith Murray, LL Cool J, and Big on it. What, Who Shot Ya? Yeah, that's the original. Keith Murray, LL Cool J and Big on it. What, Who Shot You? Yeah, that's the original. What the sex? Keith Murray, LL Cool J and Big.

Wait, wait, who shot you originally was Keith Murray, and he shot you? LL Cool J and B.I. and it was the intro to Mary J. My Life album. I never heard of it. And they was like, yo, this is too hard to start off an R&B album. And once they scratched it, B.I. was like, give me the record. I'm going to fuck with it. And B.I. added a second verse to it and took it. It was a B-side record and put it on the B-side to listen what big pop or one more chance it was on

And we just ran with some it was way before that but it did feel like big was coming at People think that when they know they already heard this record before? Because the masters in here- It slipped out with just big first verse. We can't do Generation Stupid now. They been stupid. You know what I'm saying? You can see. I'm like, yo, why would y'all think that?

But I understand just from the situation and that time. Yeah, crazy times. I knew how it was. But we didn't, you know, Big didn't sweat it, though. Big knew what it was. Big knew that, you know, he like, man, he know that song ain't about him. He know that song was done before that. You know what I mean? So Big didn't. Big knew that. He like, man, he know that song. He know that song was done before that. You know what I mean?

So Big knew what the trip was. So in the movie, when Big is on stage and they kind of born him and. Oh, that was real. That was real. Yeah, hell yeah, dog. That was real. That was DJing up for real. We was in Sacramento and shit.

Sacramento. We was in Sacramento. It was a bunch of like West Coast artists booked on that show. Not E-40, it was Be Legit. Why they do that to East Coast niggas? They put one more than we're gonna do it now let's go love out there you know I'm gonna know

about this interview this interview that bigger pose they would just do from Toronto he put a bunch of shit in there big with distant wild west coast all this shit and uh I remember walking through that shit and they can Mac 10 bump me and shit well you know I walk this spot like the circus bossy was in

there see what type of bitches in here walk through one time I just get them spot, see what's in there, see what type of bitches in there. Walk through one time, I just get the BOOM! I turn around and look back at Nick Mack 10 like, yeah screw it. So you know I look at this nigga big motherfucker, so I was like, alright. When you get back I'm like yo big, this shit don't feel right man. It don't feel like that love. When we got on stage, the niggas started throwing coins at us and shit, man. Y'all had coins thrown at you on stage, them shit hurt my nigga.

Even pennies. Even pennies. Coins at you, dog, them shit. And Big got mad. He was like, yo, fuck that. Throw on Who Shot Ya? We about to do Who Shot Ya? And we ain't do Who Shot Ya on, niggas start going nuts.

They stop throwing shit. Because they want that. Yeah, I did that shit. I didn't want them to do that record. Listen, dog, we, this ain't got no place for that, dog, nigga. They love it. They love it. They love it. They love that. Yeah, I did that shit. I didn't want them to do that record. I'm like, nigga, listen, dog. This is not the place for that, man. They loved it.

They loved it. They almost requested it. Like, LA, LA, nigga. Like, you sure? You sure, nigga? Like, all right, fuck it. Hey, bitch. LA, LA.

It's crazy. In a funny way, it's crazy like that. But sometimes you got to take those. It's just that. You got to fuck their head up. They just didn't want to feel like they was getting to them or they was intimidating them. Like, all right, fuck them. Y'all want to do that?

Who shot you? Enough like trying to hold that shit. Now you're just kind of like, who shot you, E? Who shot you, E? Throw it over. And he threw that shit on. That shit just changed the whole momentum and shit. We got followbacks.

Be legit, followed us back to the hotel that day and all that shit, man. Niggas thought Big was trying to diss the whole city. Some bullshit ass interview somebody put out, but then they squashed that shit right there, Big on the phone with E-40, he talked. Yeah, E-40 kind of what he talked about. Yeah, he talked about it. Next thing you know, that nigga hit us like,

yo man, let me know y'all get to the town, y'all get to the airport safe. Left us with a nigga downstairs and everything. Stayed in the hotel lot before us to the next morning. Took us to the airport and everything, real nigga. If you go online, you can find his demo. Before Unsigned Hype? You heard it?

No, I heard it. I saw Unsigned Hype and that's when I called Matty C, Mr. C, and I tracked down the demo from just the explanation of what I heard. His look was so disruptive. That's a good way to explain it.

He felt like Miles Davis to me. You know what I'm saying? When I had first saw him. But it was like, it was a vibrational attraction that was there. Like I knew, I like stared at the picture, you know what I'm saying? For like maybe six days. You know what I'm saying? After hearing the music, you see the picture all at the picture, you know what I'm saying, for like maybe six days. You know what I'm saying? After hearing the music, you see the picture at all at the same time.

No, no, before I even got the demo. Oh, wow. Just the picture in itself was giving me this strong vibration, and I knew that whatever this guy was saying, like, you know, it was something that was really, really, really, really authentic. Just by the look in his eyes, you know? And then when I heard the music, you know, it was one of those things I immediately called my girl. And I was like, yo, you got to tell me if this is as hot, as great as I really believe it is.

You know? She heard it. She was like like wherever he's that you better go get him you know I'm saying now that was that's interesting that you said you called your girl yeah because women are the biggest consumers of music without a doubt so how did you know that early on? Because everything I did was for girls. My whole swag, my whole musically dancing. I started dancing because I really trust women's opinions and I like the vibration. I've always just loved women that really were into music, you know, that knew how to dance and was into music.

I can't even relate to somebody that's not into music. So, you know, I had a girl that was really into music, and I really trusted her judgment. So it was something that you know when it's something crazy, and you got a girl that's like that on that same wavelength. She said that about big prior to seeing his stuff? Yes, on the demo, just on the demo. Yeah, the demo was crazy.

The demo was some of his best work. None of those tracks made it out from the demo? No, he was just freestyling over some beats, so it wasn't that time where you could just rap on somebody's beat. He was kind of the first to do that. I mean, second, when Cube did the jacket for beats, but he did it in another way. But when he went and rapped before Ready to Die on all the LA beats, you know what I'm saying? Before that, it wasn't

like people were getting on people's tracks, you know what I'm saying? Rob Markman, So how did you guys start incorporating the R&B tracks, like the Juicy's and all that, because I can listen to Big's demo, and I can tell that that was directly, which was my favorite record, by the way, Juicy. Oh, thank you. But how do you go about convincing a hardcore artist like Big that this commercial success is something that he needs? It really wasn't a lot of convincing.

I was like, yo, if you want to, you know, if you want to be big. And, you know, first of all, when we did Party and Bullshit, he didn't know how to write a song. So, you know, just like most rappers, you know what I'm saying? Everything was like 60 bars and everything. And then so, you know, once, you know, I kind of broke down the whole song structure to him, he was like a genius.

So he would take it and then he just really was strong on making songs. He really didn't write rhymes, his raps down? That was the second year. Okay. Yeah, this is breaking news. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, the first year he would write them down. By the second year, you know, he would just sit in the room and do it and say nothing for like maybe two, three days

and go in and just do it from head to toe. Wow. No punching in, nothing like that. Maybe a couple of times. Wow. You know. Let's make some noise for that one. Yeah.

Yeah, but as far as the big records, you know, going after the Juicy and the Big Papa with the Ozzy Brothers, it was a vibe that I was in that I had already seen work to a certain degree. And I knew with Moe B and Premier, we had the harder-edge tracks. And I knew that there was just this opportunity. Because even the West Coast was doing it in their way, their style of sampling, more commercial type of hits. But I knew that these joints right here,

these were the things that I grew up to in Harlem when I used to have to do my chores in the morning. These records was really, really deep, like sheet to me. You know what I'm saying? And just having that Juicy sample and the big popper joint and then the One More Chance, I had all that at the same time. So, you know, I knew he wanted to be fly. And I told him, like, this is the road to the flyness. Or else you're just going to be really dusty and be doing videos

like in abandoned buildings. And he was like, I want to be fly. He always wanted to just make sure his gear was flyer than somebody that was slimmer. Now that One More Chance remix, like Us in the Streets. As a DJ. The album was already a phenomenon. We already knew where Big was going. But then y'all, One More Chance remix.

And the video that went with it was crazy. The video. What the fuck was you thinking to say, because I believe he was gold at the time, was that the record that you wanted to take it over to go platinum or yeah yeah you know um as a producer he had given me the you know the confidence so you know when you really believe in everything's great and you're in that frequency you know you that's what you're attracting and I attracted that sample and I was like this one right here this is this right this right here scary you know it was scary you know because it was a true record for the ladies and and not only that i felt like i felt like you and big perfected feeding the streets and feeding the radio yeah like at the same time you had who shot you that all the streets

you know i'm saying gravitated towards that but you're killing the radio the radio. Was that you who developed the strategy of Feed the Streets? Or was it just the balance that came out of you two? No, it was more of a respect thing of I knew what he wanted to do. And if we were going to have this partnership on making music, and he was going to follow me down the road to making some of these bigger records, then I would follow him down the road to making more of the bigger records and you know then i would follow him down the road right to um you know making more of the hardcore records there's only one line that i had made him change or just record that he went too far for me what he said put us home you need this story did he yeah i

think he talked about raping mary or something yeah it was crazy and i just i just couldn't do it and he respected what i'm dreams on Dreams of Fucking Army, bitch? On that one? Nah, nah, nah. This is just a freestyle. It eventually came out, though. Nas kind of set that standard when he said, when I was 12, I went to help a snuffman Jesus. So all artists was trying to say something disrespectful, but still clever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you didn't like that. Yeah, but that was the only thing that we had started to have a discussion about certain responsibilities. He didn't really give a fuck, but at the same time, he was kind of... Because Big was crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said he fuck him in the ass, throw him over the bridge. That was hard.

Yeah, he said... That was hard. Whatever he said was from a standpoint of lyricism. Poet. Yeah, it wasn't from this. Yeah, it was just the shock value. It wasn't like he meant it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like if you're on the corner battling. Because it's the shock value. Yeah, yeah. He seemed like on the first album, it felt like West Coast influenced him a lot. That's the way I felt as a listener. Yeah, and really not at all. No? Yeah, really not.

Because there were some samples that they sampled a lot of some of the West Coast records in some of the records. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as me sampling, I was definitely influenced by The Chronic. You know what I'm saying? They're even ready to die, that whole thing. So that was you, not him? Yeah, yeah, that was me. I heard The Chronic, and I just really became obsessed with how they were able to make it

sound like you actually got into a low-riding comedy. Right. So I went ready to die to feel like you was definitely you know in Brooklyn and from New York and so you know Dre definitely inspired me you know on that one they was the only ones on it well how many collabs on the lock sound cool I was gonna be I have the big went at y'all. Yeah, you'll see first. What?

You'll see the first. It's actually the lock's first feature with Big. We never met him. And I know what happened. Puff went and told him some shit. Puff went and, y'all got these niggas from Yonkers. They dirty army suit wearing niggas. They coming crazy.

They coming for you. That's how he said it. He came crazy. So what did he say? I don't know. He came from the first line. Niggas talking it, but they living it. It's not laughing for us. You don't know how crazy he was.

Go back and just listen to it. I'm not laughing. He was coming at us. He was coming at us. Look at the verse. Look at the verse. He's coming at us. He's coming hard. He could have actually broke our smear.

He could have went all wrong. He could have tailed between the legs. No leg, no kiss, no leg. He was holding their ground. And big. All right, so hold on. Let me describe the situation, hold on. So y'all come to the lab. Big fuck with you man, if he was dope he'd fuck with you. He was all like, he loved underground music. He loved it, he loved it, where the shit he was into.

Him and Mef, that record, I can't, I still. I don't know how they came up with that. That record seems like they were going at it. And at that time, Meph was considered the best because he had that M-A-T-H-O-D man. Yeah, he was cooking up the woosh shit. He was cooking up, he was ripping everything. Meph was that, Meph's name was everywhere.

I want to be off-camera, it's him and O'Dirty. I still can't say who won that. I swear to God. They both was killing that shit. There'd be certain days I'd be like, man, that's wrong. They'd come in and off each other. Like crazy. Yeah.

Because they have different styles too. Because the flow is different. And B.I. won the arena. B.I. give it up. B.I. saved it. You got him.

Nah, he got me. Right. He said that? Nah. Because him and Jay. He said it. Jay joined. He said Jay got him. What, on Brooklyn Finals? Yeah. I gotta disagree. He said that. I gotta disagree. I told B.I. he was bugging. Yeah, I don't think so. He's bugging.

He's bugging. Dog, nah. See, I didn't understand Jay in the beginning. He was using all them big words and shit like that. I left school in ninth grade, my nigga. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know all that scientific, orifical, and all that. I understand now.

I understand a lot of this shit. Direct to the point. And B.I. was more like a direct, but B.I.'s bad now. Who did B.I. He bodied some nigga on in Philly. He never had a, but B.I. is back now. Who did B.I. He bodied some nigga on in Philly. He never had a what's his name?

Oh man. That was terrible. Tracy Lee shouldn't have let that come out. To Kimmy C's events. He should have he should have manned up. Like somebody should have

told him no. A big feature is not that important right now. It still works. The feature still works. The feature still works. I'm not you Tracy Lee.

I'm sorry. That song still works. It killed him. You never heard feature still worked. I'm not you, Tracy Lee. I'm sorry. That song still worked. It killed him. That was more. You never heard from him again. Nah, nah, nah. He said, he didn't kill you. That record worked.

That record worked. I speak in his defense. He's a lawyer. He quit rapping and went into music. He won. He won. He won. He won.

Helped and produced his career. He quit rapping, turned into a lawyer. Yeah, that's a big one. He's going to sue you now. Nah, I'm sorry. I'm just saying. I always say, somebody can still do music, they still do music. Yeah, I always say, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I mean like that no He even destroyed Shack, but he's found

Jack you get it to That was the only record with him and Nas on it one of those verses was for Shaq Shaq said he couldn't say that one of the B.I. verses that he said was for Shaq Shaq went in and wrote his own Shaq couldn't say he couldn't say basketball politics your dog I can't I can't say none of that you got me saying my nigga I sell sneakers right I'm up here with kids so did Shaq write his own rhyme on that record oh who wrote it he came back he had a verse on there we was going we was at the hotel wasn't Nas on that record as well. I don't know I believe nice a version the only version between big and Nas only heard the one we did we went to that crib

And that shit got before that is that the same time that they're talking shit about it It's the same record, but no the same time that they're talking shit and eyes and big yeah What did what record did big go at Nas? Kick in the Door. The third verse. Kick in the Door. What was that line? I didn't pick that. What was that line?

Because Nas came back. He said some shit. It was the whole, that whole skit. No, he was like, niggas is champagne. Last year, they wasn't champagne. No, Nas said a line. He said he take the crown off the so-called king and lock it down. Freestyle, he did it.

Big peeped that. And that was Big's response to the third verse to kicking the door what did he say again this goes out but those that choose to use disrespectful views on the king and why fuck that watch right don't believe it I was railing it snatch that light shit scaling it conscience of your nonsense 88 so more powder than Johnson and Johnson Vigilante They got to relax They got to relax

That is crazy I still have to catch on to some shit now I'm like damn dog I ain't know what that shit meant I still have to ask Biggie what you mean by that What's that But that's where that came from Where that came from he played the freestyle I know about me? Where that came from, he played the freestyle and was like, listen. He's not even using big words.

It's his flow. It's his delivery. And the way he said the words, man. It was just so clear. Conscience of your nonsense. Yeah. We had to relax back there. Big.

God damn it. It's a wonderful life, man. It was a wonderful life. Big fat black motherfucker. Them niggas must be romantic. It's a wonderful life, man. It was a wonderful life. Big fat black motherfucker. Them niggas must be romantic. I just feel like big fat niggas is romantic.

Most romantic. I think Pun was very romantic. I don't know. Maybe it's something about the... I used to see the nigga with roses all the time. I said, why you got roses? Why you got roses? Just for no reason.

What are you doing, my brother? He just speaking a little Spanish. He just a little speaking a little Spanish. Let me get that light. Yo, this nigga was just cool. He hit me in the back. No, dude, I'm serious, dude. Yeah.

So, oh, got a little awkward. It's dope. It's dope. It's dope. It's good. It's good. It's good to get that awkward sometimes. No, but y'all was real.

He was really big pimping, dog. He was really pimping out there. So now, let's describe Puff at that time, right? Because at that time, y'all just getting to know this guy, right? Yeah. And according to the movie, it's like he gave Big a check, and he gave Big all these promises, but he really had no accolades to match that. Puff?

I mean, he worked that up, but not for himself. But still, he had some accolades. He had Jodeci. He didn't match for himself. He was that's still he had some But he had he had Jodeci he did He didn't have them But he was a part of that creation But what I'm saying is For that era what he was doing was This is his first label Bad Boy so

Yeah but I think It was correct Who was going to make his career So what made what do you think made y'all in general and Big even trust this guy B.I. fuck fuck when I think just be I just knew he knew what he was doing and he was he was he was devoted to be I that's one that I could say About he was only when it came to be I he was straight up with big. No, I mean, I can't knock that I can't take that away. It wouldn't be no be I was phone everyone for puffs real straight up

That's just the real shit ever and be I fuck with him at the end of day. We fuck with him It did be I was the boss dog, you know me at the end of the day if he say it's cool it's cool who am i to say up next man you know i consider this this person to be a pioneer in what it is you know for hip-hop podcasting he definitely was someone that that i was checking out and inspired by you know and who i'm speaking about is no other than reggie osse aka combat jack you know who is definitely a legend hosting one of the original hip-hop podcasts with the combat jack show his resume far precedes the podcast world as he was a successful lawyer and representative of hip-hop's legendary artists and producers such as Jay-Z, Rockefeller Records, Capone, Noriega, and more.

It was an honor to have interviewed Combat Jack on Drink Champs. I mean, to meet him, to talk to him, to interact with him. To hear the full episode, check out episode 32 with Combat Jack and Jack Thriller. It was a hilarious episode. You just got to check it out if you haven't. It's definitely one of our classics. But here's some great moments from that episode. The more careful you have to be with your words.

So I learned this listening from Tupac, Biggie, and Jay Right When Tupac was talking No, no, just listen to their music And Tupac talking about I caught five and this and that And just like embracing Being a target

You know what I'm saying? And then passing away too soon You know what I'm saying? Biggie's first album One of the most impactful albums of all time. Ready to die. Was Biggie lawyer as well? No, no, but I worked with a lot of the hit men.

I worked with Puff, Puff, the whole nine. You a millionaire? Derek Angeletti? Derek Angeletti, Ron Lawrence, Nasheed. You a millionaire? B-Dot? Get out my pocket, my nigga. D-Dot?

D-Dot, yeah. But listen, listen, listen. I realize as a hip-hop fan, particularly with hip-hop, Ron Lawrence Nah shit B.Dot Get out my pocket my nigga D.Dot Listen I realize as a hip hop fan Particularly with hip hop And the vibration That it strikes We don't take hip hop for joke Hip hop is real

When you say some shit It's real So if you say you ready to die And you got a million fans That shit Travels But at the same time And you know this, Nori,

when Jay was coming up, niggas didn't think Jay was going to be that nigga, right? Right? Am I right or wrong? But he was saying that he was going to be that dude. But when Jay was like,

I'm going to be the richest motherfucker in hip hop, he became that. So I learned the power of words. So my biggest lesson in podcast is thinking it's just me and my niggas in this studio talking shit. That was my biggest lesson in podcast is thinking it's just

me and my niggas in this studio talking shit. And one day I did this rant with regard to Papoose. And the shit went viral. And that shit surprised me because it was just a small part of our episode. And what was you saying about Papoose?

I was just saying some shit about Papoose. I was just saying some shit about Papoose. I don't know. Say what you was saying. No, this is Pooze. He wasn't good. I was just saying some shit about Bat Pooze. Yeah, I remember. I don't know. Say what you were saying. No, this is Drink Champs. We got to be real on Drink Champs.

I heard a record that I didn't approve. He said he was king of New York. Nah, just I heard a record on Prime. Nah, come on. No, no.

It was My Boo. That record, My Boo. Okay, I never heard it. And I was like, yo, this is not, who got paid? Right. So I went off,

like I was on Twitter and some Bat Pooze followers was like coming at me. I was like, I'm not who got paid right so I went off like I was on Twitter and some Papoose followers was like coming at me cuz I'm not gonna I'm not gonna argue with y'all niggas I'm gonna dress on my show so when I did the shit went viral right and then when I realized that I crossed the line it was too late to take the words what did you say? What did you say? Just listen. Google it, my nigga. You here. I'm telling you Google it, my nigga. Podcast list forever.

Because I'm moving forward. You know what I'm saying? So when I realized that I crossed the line with Pampus and I could never get... You know what I'm saying? I was like, yo, you got to watch what you say because even when we're joking, you could hurt somebody or you could create an enemy for life with your words. And it was like, not that I'm afraid to say my honest truths, but I still got to realize and be responsible for what I say about the other man.

Right, because the thing about podcasts, it kind of lives forever. Yes. Like, these interviews don't die. Yes. These interviews don't die. Yes. So right now, everything that we said, that's the reason why I wanted to be clear and let you know that everything I ever said about you was just jokes. And I always took it. But me and you know that. You know what the difference is? Y'all in each other's face.

So I have a whole different outlook on it. I feel like if you, I say a lot of crazy things inside my interviews. Yes, you do. And I say it to everybody's face that I said something about. Right. Like, for instance, you know, I had an incident with 2 Chainz. Oh, yeah, what happened to the incident with 2 Chainz? Yeah, you know, he said he's going to fuck you up, right?

Yeah, he said he's going to fuck you up. Waterfront Realty, right? Where Eric at? God damn it. New York is not what New York is. It's not Waterfront? Yeah. All right, Waterfront Realty.

So it's public performance. It's publishing. So it's... That's one. You said five. I said public performance, publishing. Right. Synchronization.

So like whenever your shit is like... In a movie. Movie. Right. Commercial. Right. Video. Right.

But when they write a 2 Chainz rap, and the shit is in a fucking print. Yeah, they bring up 2 Chainz. Oh, so when the lyrics are written in the... People buy the music. That's why Rap Genius is popular. Big up to Rob Marks, man. It's a dying breed of people buy print. People buy like,

how does this shit choreograph? That's amazing. How can I play this whole... Oh, you mean writing the music. Writing the music and the lyrics. Okay. It's still published. So the lyrics is considered like the music,

like if you were to play the music. Wow, good. I said four? That's four. You got one more. Five? Record sales. Right.

Record sales. But it's expanded right now because now shit is on digital. Digital. Streaming. Streaming. So maybe it's at seven right now. mean I'm not the authority but right um title yeah Apple mmm Spotify mmm that's it that's an extra six so now let me ask y'all it

might be a seven you might be a seven with that six G merchandising is geniuses print now I would say genius is print. Merchandising is another form of business. I just bigged up genius. But you understand, that is not out of the music. I just gave y'all six ways to make money off your music. So, Jack, how old are you, Jack? I'm sorry. I just bust 34 May 7th.

Okay. Yeah, you a young buck. Yeah. Yeah, I got an old face. But, so, in your opinion. 2 Chainz, you picking on a young punk. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You think streaming hurt the industry or streaming helped the industry?

I think it helped the industry, man, because I like the fact that it ain't no excuses no more. If you can't make it right now, you know, you don't even deserve to be in the game. I don't think that's true game I don't think that's true I don't think that's 100% true I agree with him I mean I don't in a sense Because before There was the

You know the gatekeepers In a sense There's no gatekeepers no more No no That's true But this oversaturation Makes it harder in a sense To what?

It's balanced in a way Harder to what? EFN To be heard EFN To be heard by what? EFN I love music

I will always love music. I'm not going to listen to shit I don't fuck with. Yeah, right. You might not even know the music that you would fuck with is even out there. But when I find it. Yes, you would. Yes, you would. How would you know? That choice is there. But you wouldn't know. I love talking hip-hop. Continue.

But you wouldn't know because it's in the ether. It's a million artists. Okay, so there's a million niggas that I won't listen to. But when I find an Anderson Park. Right. When I find a Kate Tronato. But you don't find them. The people you're about to mention are people that are being promoted by high profile people.

But I'm not following. Tomato, tomato. I don't follow high profile people. Tomato, tomato. What did I accidentally pull into my shit? Because I'm still crate digging. Right. I'm still crate digging. I'm still crate digging digitally.

So when I find some shit I fuck with, I fuck with it. It's the same shit. It don't matter if it got some commercial promotion or if it's just straight up internet promotion. Or if my friend said something or my son said something. You know what I'm saying? If it's getting out there, it's getting out there because it's hot. I'm going to tell you what the difference is. Why I think. The difference is that

back in the days, that sounds horrible. That makes me old. We understand. But back in the days, you needed to work and pay certain dues to get in a studio, record on tape, or whatever the fuck. Digital, would it matter? DJ FM, you lived in the era.

No, no, no. I'm so grateful I lived in that era. I know. I'm grateful too. But we're talking You're making yourself an old nigga. I don't care. I don't care. I got fucking white hairs. And that's cool. But listen, DJ FM, we're back to the future in real life.

But we're giving the comparison though. I'm just giving you the comparison. Let me ask y'all this. What do y'all think about comparison, though. I'm just giving you the comparison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just giving you the comparison. Let me ask y'all this. What do you think about Young Thug? I'm unsure about it. I don't get it. That's what I was trying to talk about. Go around the world. Because you don't come from there.

No, no, no. I want to know, is it authentic to whatever he comes from that he's wearing what he's wearing? I know the music is resonating, for sure. The music is resonating. EFN, EFN. Yo, check this out. When Drake and J. Cole first came out at the same time, I didn't understand why motherfuckers was fucking with J. Cole.

Because Drake had the better song. I forget what it was at the time he had, but it was a song he went like, let's be honest. Y'all know what I'm talking about? Every girl in the world. That was with Young Money. Well, the difference is the audience has expanded. let's be honest. Y'all know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Every girl in the world. That was with Young Money. Well, the difference is the audience has expanded. That's the difference, too. Hold on.

Yo, EFN. Yo, I'm about to say something. J. Cole had who that? Who that? Who that? I thought that was some bullshit. Wow. Yeah, I was like 50.

I thought you meant JT Money had who that first. I said 50. Yeah, that's a Miami nigga. I said 50. Yo, man. Yo, what the fuck is up with this? This is J. Cole nigga. Why the fuck is he popping? You know what he said?

He said, hey, you need to find out why he's popping so you can get yourself popping. Right, no, I believe that. That's true. Because otherwise, you don't deserve to be inside this game, man. 50 won't. I can't down Young Thug. I want to know where does that come from? What is his story? Why? What is his story?

Why? Why? What is his story? What's going on right now? Let me ask you something. If I'm at the bar, right? I'm buying a drink. I'm looking at what's in the bar.

I'm in the mood and a Young Thug record comes on. It sets a whole chain of events in movement. You have no choice but to fall in line. Why do I have to ask why? Yeah. Because it's just music. As opposed to like, yo. I'm what car back.

I'm what car back. And you're an artist. You know what I'm saying? I'm what car back. There's no science in that. I understand that. As a DJ, I understand that. When you hit that vein, you don't have to ask why.

It's like, yo, listen. You got to give it up. I'm with you on that one. It's strictly on the music. 100%. Because you know why? I understand that. You know why I like ask why. It's like, you got to give it up. Yo, listen. I'm with you on that one. It's strictly on the music. 100%. Because you know why? I understand that. You know why?

Like the new generation. Okay, let me. Go ahead. You guys go ahead. Let me just. This is because I got to stay focused. This is the reason why I'm with Combat on this. That's my whole experience moving to Miami.

Like, I'm a hardcore boom bap hip hop. Left rack. I get divorced. Nigman, Left rack. I get divorced. Rob Markman, Nigga left rack. I get divorced. I lose everything. I'm out here. I'm doing it. I got no choice. It's not Club 11. It's Gold Rush at the time. Right, right, right. It's Gold Rush at the time. I'm going there. Rob Markman, Sobe Live.

Sobe Live. That's Big Up Micah, even though he don't vote me no more. Stacks. Yeah, yeah. Big Up Stacks. Big Up Stacks. Actually, that's theah, even though he don't know more. Yeah, you know, he's a stax. Big up stax. Actually, that's the first time I actually met you, was stax. So they got me coming out here. And and the thing is, I could have easily been that old New York nigga. Like, why don't you play Coogee ride?

And why don't I play? And I was trying to get a gambler. And let me just say, you make a ticket to the game. And let me just let me just keep it a honey. That ain't Trigger the Gambler. You making Trigger the Gambler? That ain't Big L. Let me just keep it a hundred. Ecstasy was popping at that time, and so was I. Popping in Mexico. Drugs changing music, unfortunately.

And I felt every music in that motherfucker. I was like, oh shit, this shit is hot. Nigga's like, this nigga is... I'm like, exactly. And I'm fucking with it. But it actually made me young. Because I adapted to every environment. Then when I went back to New York,

I will never forget this. I went back to New York. I went and the same music was playing. And my nigga said, yo, nigga, why you smiling? And I'm like, damn, in Miami, these records is popping. And these niggas just looked at me like,

we don't fuck with that over there. And I was like, damn. I immediately knew I could be bi-coastal from that very moment because I really did feel these records, but when I was in New York, I was really like, I understand why y'all don't feel it because y'all ain't got palm bitches. I mean, palm trees. Or in New York, I was really like, I understand why y'all don't feel it. Because y'all ain't

got palm bitches. I mean, palm trees. Or why New York is the smallest market on the fucking planet. It's the smallest market, but still have the most influence. We had the most influence. For years, until now. This is the thing about New York. We've always had the most influence until

our influence became the major influence. Break that down, God. Like, when our influence became the major influence. Break that down, God. Like when our shit became the standard, when fucking Dr. Dre took Public Enemy and flipped it into NWA and it expanded the market. You got what I'm saying? You got what I'm saying?

L.A. Like the West Coast is a market of itself that flips into the South. Right. That flips up until Jersey. So when you look at the whole scheme of the music industry, New York is one city and it's a whole fucking country. But New York also fucked up a lot of things because it was so exclusive. No, it was organic.

Hold up, what's going on? We changed it. No, no was organic. Hold up, hold up. What's going on? We changed it. No, no. But when New York thought... I'm not accepting that. Yes, New York was too exclusive. I'm from the South region. But you got to understand.

We was bitter to New York. But when New York thought nobody else can do it like us, that's when we fucked up. That's what I'm saying. Because we were only one city. And then what happened? Every other region grew. And New York had to adapt to that. The South got so big that people like DC and Virginia actually started claiming the South.

But DC is the South. But DC- DC is the South. Yeah, but it's the South. But DC niggas is New York niggas. Come on, man. Go, go, man. Go, go, man.

They got their own world, man. DC niggas is not- Let me describe it. I lived in DC. DC niggas is- They got their own shit going on. DC niggas is- Allen Iverson, DC and them niggas is East Coast niggas. New York. I lived in D.C. D.C. niggas is... They got their own shit going on. D.C. and them niggas is East Coast niggas. They's New York.

That's East Coast niggas, in my opinion. They New York, dog. I mean, East Coast. When they came to Atlanta, we went to Atlanta like New York niggas. That's East Coast niggas, man. I went to Georgetown. In my opinion. I went to Georgetown.

Pusha T is from the East Coast to me. He ain't from the South. I mean to Georgetown. Push the teeth is from the East Coast to me. He ain't from the South. I mean, but I love the South. We're on the East Coast. You know what I'm saying. You're going geographical. Let me say this. But that's where it goes wrong though. That's where it goes wrong.

Coming from an EPMD, run DMC, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, environment, and in the 80s, living in Georgetown. I went to Georgetown Law. For three years, I'm in D.C. That's where you went to law school. And the only nigga they're playing from New York

is Kumo D. Mm. Kumo D. I'm like, this is country. He loves my weed. D.C. is country. They're not fucking with the niggas that we fuck with. They fucking with country niggas. Wait fuck with they fucking with country niggas

Wait say that again in DC in DC in the 80s. I fucking rock him Big Daddy Kane PMD I go to I go to DC and the only rap nigga they playing is cool Modi Who's the only who's the country is nigga from the out of New York? Yeah, okay Yeah, when you say country, that sounds very different. Wild, wild west? I don't like it. I don't like it. But why do you say that? Why do you say country?

Because in the south, we got the rock and roll. Because two south niggas and there's two New York niggas, by the way. It's not the rock and roll. You understand. I don't like it. Yeah, it sounds very the rock and roll. It's not the rock and roll. So hold on, hold on.

Why you don't like that? And let me tell you something. When I was coming up, man, in Decatur and stuff, a lot of New York niggas was coming down, too. That's right. He understand where I'm coming from. Miller Grove. Right. You know, and our schools and shit.

Everybody thought they were smarter than us. Thought we were slow. We thought we was a game and shit. We just have our southern drawl. Don't get it confused. Just like, you know what I'm saying, with Tony A.O. But your niggas ain't playing down south. We beat new U.S. niggas up.

What? I'm not going down. You got hostile. Relax. Listen, listen, listen. I agree. Two Chains has flipped on you. Real out there.

Chill out. Relax. I agree with you 100%. I'm sorry. Did I bring that up? I'm supposed to bring that back up? Can I ask you something? Why you favor Two Chains over me?

Nah, because. Like I ain't got goons to Apologize We have to order some food Fucking hip hop Somebody but let's keep this hip-hop conversation going. Why are you going to be the gangster? In my opinion, because you know what somebody told me? Somebody told me one day.

They was like, you're a New York nigga that understood the South early. Yeah. Super thug. Super thug was our beat, was our case. Do you realize they're kind of jumping us, Jack? Are you with me still? What you mean? Listen, listen. How we jumping you, though?

Listen, listen. Listen, listen to me. I'm breaking down. Because he know I'm right. Listen. He know I'm right. Bishop, in your heart, you know I'm right. All right.

Calm down. Put the wind beneath your wings, nigga. Speak to the mic. Thrill us a week and the podcast can hear you. I don't know why I passed the blunt or who I passed it to, but it was a bad move. You laced it. All right, listen. So listen.

Why are we jumping? A lot of niggas told me that when I, you know, did Super Thug, but a lot of people didn't. They said that, you know, I understood the South sound. Think about who produced Super Thug. Yes, I'm getting to that. Peopleug. Yes, I'm getting to that. I'm getting to that. But what I'm saying is, at first,

nobody knew who the fuck these people were. Absolutely. They didn't know who these fucking people were. This is two years after the record is a hit, and then he produced for Mystical, and then they produced for Hov, and then they actually claimed this is a South sound.

But I already got two albums. I got N.O.R.E., which nobody, at this time, I brung him to every artist in the world. It wasn't to all know, which I believe is the Melbourne Flint. I'm not sure. I could be bugging. And after that, every artist ran to the nigga but what I'm saying is at first people could not identify where that sound came from but afterwards people said that I was up early on on the South Sound and that's

great Virginia take that Virginia I'll take that but I always looked at Virginia as Virginia was an East Coast state. East Coast South. Virginia, Maryland. Virginia, think about it. The capital of the South. Of the Confederacy. Yeah, but them niggas is New York.

You look at me crazy. East Coast niggas and me. You don't agree? No, I agree. You look at me crazy when I say that. Them niggas swag as arse. I'm just drunk right now. To me, the South Star said

South Carolina. Pimp C had this argument. He said that people from Atlanta wasn't really people from Atlanta because he said y'all same time is on the East Coast. Remember, he said that. Jersey niggas are south to me. Oh, come on now. They're south to me. Where's Paul at?. They're self to me. Oh, where's Paul at? Where are my Jersey boys at? That's your mans, B.

That's your mans. Come on, man. That's crazy. That's your mans. That's why New York is fucking up. Or fucked up back then. I'm agreeing to that. But I'm agreeing to that.

But when you go to Jersey, the hip hop is still a little different. But let me tell you. No, he's right. Real quick. Am I right? Real quick. I want to be mine again. I wouldn't say country, though. still a little different. But let me tell you. No, he's right. Am I right? Real quick. I wouldn't say country, though. It's just different.

I would say different. My boys down here, my crew, we all united. And a lot of them are from Jersey. And we always had this thing against the New York cats that were coming down to Miami. Because they were always trying to, like, de-bow their way in. And it was funny because the New Jersey dudes we all stuck together and they got it

because they were getting it like you said right now. They wasn't feeling that. You know what I'm saying? Look at Jack Gorilla. Jersey niggas was Yo, 2 Chainz got you fucked up. You're thinking about this shit, right?

But let's not go on. First of all, first of all, first of all, let me ask you this. The fact that you're saying South, I feel like you might, the South for real, we are bad. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. The fact that you're saying South, I feel like you might, the South for real. Let me ask you this.

Let me ask you this. Until I'm ready for whatever, dog. Don't place value on what I'm saying. Don't place value on what I'm saying. Man, why you always cutting me off when I'm saying gangster shit? Because I cut niggas off. That's what I do on this show. Come on, let combat talk, man.

Yeah, combat talk is shit for real shit. Don't place value on what I'm saying. Right. Just don't place good or bad. Right, right, right. As a Brooklyn cat, whenever we got into Jersey, it was different.

And the further we got from Jersey, the more south it became. So for me, as a Brooklyn nigga, the minute you cross Jersey, you're going further south. That's all I'm saying. It's not out of disrespect.

It's out of... But you don't think that mentality is what isolated you guys? No, I gotta say something. I agree with nothing this nigga just said just now. Because... I mean, all the Tracy dudes... Because to me, you know, Philly was my number one market.

But Philly was a different... Philly was Brooklyn on steroids. In my opinion, let me tell you... But Philly niggas is different. This is where you go wrong. Nobody is different. Yes or no? Nah. Philly niggas is different No but it was This is where you got it wrong Nobody is different Yes or no Nah

Philly niggas was just as grimy As the early 80s Albee Square Mall They was grimier That's what it They was grimier That's what I'm saying But what I'm saying is

It reminded me of Albee Square Mall downtown Where you had to get your fronts And pull your gun out To walk out the mall. But it was on the next level. That's what I'm saying, but it reminded me of that. As a Brooklyn nigga, as a big nigga, it didn't get more south.

As a Brooklyn nigga, you go to Philly, you're like, yo, these niggas is on the next level. You remember that DJ Quick record? Everybody's like Compton. I mean, I don't know if that's the exact term, but that made sense. He was like, I'm a Compton dude, but when I went out of town, everybody's hard, everybody's But at the same time, what I'm saying is this. What I'm saying is this. Borough to borough, city to city, niggas play different.

Yeah, I agree with that. So when you go to Philly, when you go to Philly, these niggas look like Brooklyn niggas. These niggas look like New York niggas play different. Yeah, I agree with that. So when you go to Philly, when you go to Philly, you're like, these niggas look like Brooklyn niggas. Right. These niggas look like New York niggas. Right. But the wrong turn,

you know what I'm saying? Right, but that's what I'm saying. These niggas is different. Yeah. So you got to understand the subtlety. And this is the beautiful thing about culture. Black, white, black.

Like just the diaspora of black. When you go into a different culture, you got to understand that shit, respect that shit, and humble yourself. Right. Of course. It's true. So when New York niggas come into Philly like this is New York, the Philly niggas is like, yo, nigga, we will lay you the fuck down. Right.

You got to respect when you go to- No, but what I'm trying to say is For me For me From my experience I could be wrong But I came up 1997

I started going on the road 1997 I went from New York I went from Camden New Jersey I went from Trenton I went from

Excuse me I skipped I skipped Newark I'm going down the whole 95 I skipped Newark Excuse me I started in Newark Then I went to Camden I went Newark. I'm going down the whole 95. I skipped Newark. Excuse me. I started in Newark. Then I went to Camden.

I went to Trenton. And then from there, I went to Philly. Philly was my number one market. From Philly, I went to Connecticut. How about Delaware? Delaware. I went to Maryland. I went to Baltimore.

I went to D.C. When you hit D.C. I went to Virginia. When you hit D.C. When you hit D.C. When you hit D.C. When you hit D.C. Nah, it never changed to me. They always remind me of my niggas.

I'm saying as the journey went through, once you hit D.C., the market blossomed. No, the market was already blossoming. But the only time I felt like I was in a different market was when I went to South Carolina. And the only reason why I felt like that is because South Carolina niggas was throwing chairs at other niggas in the crowd. And I thought that was the gangstierest shit in the world. I was like, oh shit, y'all chairs ain't buckled down.

Like in Apollo and shit like that, your chairs is buckled down. And then when I went to South Carolina, I said, these niggas is crazy as a motherfucker. And then I went to Durham and them niggas was crazy as a motherfucker. I went to Raleigh, these niggas is crazy as a motherfucker. And then I went to Durham, and them niggas was crazy as a motherfucker. I went to Raleigh, them niggas is crazy as a motherfucker. Charleston, everywhere.

So all I've realized, I've realized that we're all the same fucking people. And every guy, once the South started, they was a little bit more crazier as far as, like, you know, throwing shit and just getting at motherfuckers. But I realize we're all the fucking same. But, you know, I always considered that part East Coast. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't mind being wrong. No, it's East Coast. It's East Coast.

But it's going in the South. And once again, I'm not taking anything away from what you said. I'm not scoring facts. I'm just scoring my feelings. Because you see niggas in New York turn up and like, that's a New York nigga. Exactly. When you get to Jersey, niggas turn up different.

Yeah, but I still feel that. When I see it, it's family. One of my best friends is from Newark, New Jersey. It's family. I'm saying it's family. Nigga up to six. I used to look at him like he flipped like a New Jersey nigga. And then I've seen him flip with a New York nigga.

I said, this nigga ain't. He's just not. Tell me that about Queen Latifah. Tell me that about Trench. Tell me about, come on. Yeah, it's the same shit to me. But I understand what he's saying because his era he grew up with. I get it.

What I'm saying is this. What I'm saying is this. This is boiling the shit down, drinking this fucking vodka right now. And we love that you drink it with a big chance. We drinking Fat Joe Royal Elite right now. Visualize it. Fat Joe Royal Elite. Let's make some noise for Fat Joe.

No matter where you go, be it a block or a neighborhood or a city or a town, you're a tribe. But when you see a tribe from a different place, it's like... I understand what you're saying. It's a family. You know what I'm saying? You might do some shit to the left. But we're family. And then when you incorporate all the differences,

that's when you can really appreciate family. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's family. And I respect how you do shit You respect how But at the end of the day Like at the end of the day Live together, die together

Like at the end of the day From the moment I came to Miami He brought me to his store And he knew from my music The type of person I is He didn't have to test me He knew from the type of person I is So accordingly He made it right The way it is And me and him been person I is. He didn't have to test me. He knew from the time person I am. Accordingly, he

made it right the way it is. Me and him have been the friends from ever. Decades. I'm trying to say one decade because I'm trying to be young. He just keeps blowing it up. What I'm trying to say is we get that, but the thing about it

is everybody is... That's the thing what me and him still friends for 20 years later because he gets that it doesn't we fight like brothers no no every day almost every day but we keep it moving god damn it god bless you god damn it you don't even know what drink you got in your car yeah God come you know Columbia white that's big up Columbia wow I'm sorry I haven't been bigger than Columbia white now you know Nah, you played in the video. That was big. I did? You didn't have to do that. I did? Well, what video? Can we talk about?

Moguls. Moguls. Slash petty. Slash petty. So, as we talk about petty, 2 Chainz really flipped on you, dawg. Yeah, he was out there. But you said apologize, so do not, you cannot take it back. Nah, I'm listening.

You cannot take it back. I'm not taking the apology back. Right. And your watch is pretty nice. Let's switch the subject. Because I don't even, I think you it back. Now, I'm taking the apology back. Right. And your watch is pretty nice. Let's switch the subject. Because I don't even... I think you're about to go somewhere I don't want to go.

You're about to see you all when you're done. So I got to cut you off. Your watch is nice. Hey, me, man. Yeah, I think when I cut people off that I'm cutting off their... No, I'm cutting them off

because I know where the story ends. Okay. And that watch is pretty nice. How you doing? How do you know I won't say something positive? Hey, guys. You better say something positive.

Come on. All I want to say is I just wanted him to know that I'm a man and I wasn't no sucker. Talk to the mic, please. I can't hear you. I just wanted him to know that I'm a man and I ain't no sucker. Now, you just can't just be saying things about me. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I said I'm sorry to his face.

No, I don't remember that. And he didn't accept it it it wasn't on the internet if you don't respond to it on the internet did that say something to you that don't count let me know you got all jokes aside oh no this is all jokes aside I gave you that real listen listen I'm gonna say you should apologize I'm gonna say somebody listen I'm 22 23 years old after duffel bag boy come out right and I am a moment of Phillips arena this bomb run of bottom Phillip Serena. It's Varner Brothers hair show. The circus? No, the Varner Brothers. It's a hair show.

Alright, that's cool. And I go up to 2 Chainz and Dollar. They play a circle. And I interview them. And whatnot. I'm a fan of them and I say what's

happening first in it first of in a first rap I've ever seen first famous person I've seen when I moved up it was to change but he was titty boy I know who he is I was a fan and when he said what he said about me it hurt my feelings and I didn't like it and I ain't never been no sucker even though I got one I fought ever since I was five years old but I'm not another no Nori I thought ever since I was five trying to let niggas know ain't no sucker so if he wanted he can get it. But hey, if I say it, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. But I'm going to tell you this.

I'm going to tell you this. If anything happened to me, if anything happened to me and I leave doing it, ain't going to be no fighting. Ain't going to be no fighting. And I'm serious. You sniffing coke tonight? You look like you're on a little bit of cocaine. No, I'm sniffing real nigga shit. I'm just you sniff a coke today you look like you know you know you're

like you got like yeah come on man we about peace right here I said he was a punk no I never be pissed if some bullshit comes about this, man. You should apologize and say, because you said, I said. Yo, Drink Champs Army, make sure there's peace between these motherfuckers, man. I didn't know y'all niggas had real beef. Ain't no beef here, man. So drink champs, man. It's for the culture, man. Fuck the bullshit, man.

For y'all that don't know, we out here September 9th in Club Dream. September 10th at the barbecue. You know what I'm saying? Combat Jack coming out. He said coming out every other weekend. Is he coming back, Jack? Let me find out.

He coming out. He going to help us host the podcast this time. Oh, shit. And we're going to control niggas like Jack Thriller. He should be the moderator that night.

And we're not making no... That would be amazing. Yes. That would be amazing. We're going to be a ref too. Can we make that happen? We're going to be a ref.

Yo, yeah. That would be amazing. A ref shit. Yeah, and all that. And Jack Thriller. He's out of here. refs, too. Can we make that happen? We're going to be your refs. Yo, yeah, that would be amazing. A ref shit, yeah, and all that. And Jack Dweller. He's out of here. You two feeling like sticky fingers? You walking away?

Come over here. He thinks we've cut him off. You ain't playing for me anymore. Nah, nah, nah. You ain't playing me, man. Oh, I can't have this. You ain't playing me, man. I don't even know this Hollywood.

Jack, come back over here. You ain't playing me. I'm sorry. Come on, man. No, I ain't no clown. I know I'm a comedian. But I ain't no clown. I can't'm a comedian, but I ain't no clown. I can't have this twice.

I had that last week. Hey, Nuri, what are you doing, man? Nuri, you my man. I am your man. Please, my man. But I ain't no clown, Sean. What I did, Sean, I don't even know that name. I'm from New York.

Sean, I'm telling you why I'm here. Yeah, come on. So sit down. Sit down. I don't even know if this is funny or not. I'm just playing the rest. We don't even know. I'm just New York. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Come on, sit down, sit down. I don't even know if this is funny or not. It's funny in the West. I'm confused, man. The American West with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network,

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I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky

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I mean, especially Nori, who had just seen him not too long ago before he passed away. And we regretted that we could never, you know, we never had of that was helped through Mobb Deep and their legacy and what CNN did with L.A.L.A. and all of that. So it really we felt that one. And in these next few stories, you'll hear from a fellow emcee who was closest to Prodigy. It was his partner in Rhyme, his producer, his friend. Here's Havoc of Mobb Deep speaking on Prodigy yeah so um yo y'all history is so crazy so you and you and P because P is uh originally from Long Island y'all connected okay yeah Queen um P is from originally from from what I know he's from like

Queens right and then his best by liquor that sounds the best by liquor somebody like not only the liquor but they provided the females because you have because here and he's a very special guest classic guy and they got a spot in Kindle they got a spot another two spots in Kendall Naranja I don't know I pronounce that was that the hood Naranja yeah yeah no that sounds like orange but it is in Spanish Naranja and Cutler Bay they got the liquor so happen whenever you out there Best Buy Liquors man what's they Instagram yo at Best Buy Liquors right D is that what it is at Best Buy Liquors man

definitely they holding us down so have man you know, so you said y'all, he was originally from the left right. Right, from the left right. And when I met him. Oh, shit, the police. The police. This is not a false alarm. Oh, they kept it moving.

They wanted to stop. It was weird. It was weird. It was weird. And we don't have, we're not friends. It's the first time we ever had police. No, the second time. You remember that time? Oh, I wasn't here. I wasn't here. I was here. Close the gate. Close the gate. We don't have we're not friends the first time we ever have

So so you guys when you connect when I first met P I didn't Pee-wee I was 15. Wait, wait, wait, y'all didn't say it. Why y'all calling him Pee-wee? Come on, we don't know. Y'all talking like family and shit. Because he was short. He was short. He was short. But I met him when I was 15.

Right. I met him in design high school, whatever, whatever. He used to have mad jerry on, hair was blonde, you know what I'm saying? Blonde? Wait, hair blonde? You know how back in the days Kwame used to- whole thing okay used to call him the golden child but he was you know he's a cool ass nigga though I'm saying they've connected right and then so um when y'all met was instantly like yo he told you yeah he

does music or like how was it initially when y'all first met like nah because yeah we used to be in the lunchroom and they used to be freestyling at the tables he was one of them that was freestyling i used to freestyle blah blah blah and then as soon as we met it was like instant friends like instant friends like instant you know what i mean and and he was rapping at the time on this because I heard you wrote his first one oh I mean he used to he used to have his own rhymes and stuff like that but you know we got a deal and stuff like that you know I used to write and whatever he didn't need it Come on, people. Party's in church now. We're petty over here. Come on, come on. Listen, man, you going to loosen up. You got to keep drinking.

You want another drink? Amanda, look, I'm flossing. I'll take it slow. Amanda is very pretty. She's on the podcast. What up? She's from Best Buy Liquors. We're trying to show off what you have.

Yeah, we've never done this before. We never had this. We never had this. This is Best Buy Liquors. We're putting all the stops up. Best Buy Liquors, yeah. We're pulling all the stops for you, man. Yo, y'all the illest though, man.

I love this show. So listen, Father's Day just passed. Yes, it did. How many abortions you paid for in your life? How many what? Abortions. It's not like you said Boston's. Abortions?

Yeah, abortions. How many abortions I paid for in my life? Keep it real now. To keep it real, I would say like two. Like two? Like two. I got to disagree with you. I got to say like two.

How many two? Did you answer that question? No, I just heard. I would say like two. Like two? Like two. I got to disagree with you. I got to say like two. I mean, did you answer that question? No, I just heard. Although we're dedicating this episode to those that we've lost, in no way is this to bring down the mood. Drink Champs was created in good spirit to enjoy life and celebrate life.

And we've shared some hilarious stories on Drink Champs, but these next ones are some of the best. Check these out. If you're a backpacker, I don't give a fuck if you're who he is. Prince is God to all of us. As far as making music and art and culture. Music and creativity. Yes, that's right.

Culture. And just fine as broads. Yep. And your first time meeting Prince we need to describe this shout out to DJ EQ my wife DJ EQ

I like how you big up your wife god damn it high five that's real high five real shit let's make some noise

for that I met her in LA right yeah she did in the stretch Armstrong yeah she was there alright yep

continue she's a world class famous DJ and Prince got to liking her DJ skills mmm she became a delay to wife work with Prince this is not starting out good I'm not gonna lie I'm a jealous guy Prince you listen Prince you got to get the fuck away my wife is not doing your makeup, nigga. I'm sorry. He's not doing your makeup, nigga. The Prince cat right there. Hold up, Prince. Hey, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. But no, she was DJing at his parties, you know what I'm saying? And by this time when I met Prince, the first time I met Prince was at maybe House of Blues LA. She was DJing. Did he float? No, he didn't levitate or float. He didn't levitate.

He had a segway. He had a segway back then. No, no, no. Prince knew his hip hop when I first met him. You know what I'm saying? But he knew a certain type of hip hop. He knew like Common. He liked Common and Will.I.Am.

He was into something. He liked hip hop, but he liked hip hop that was a little bit more organic. You know what I'm saying? He liked Lauryn Hill and Common. He really liked Common a lot. He's a Common fan. You know what I'm saying? And Common is one of my favorite MCs. Did Common work with him at all? lot. He's a Common fan. You know what I'm saying?

Common is one of my favorite MCs. Rob Markman, Yeah, did Common work with him at all? Rob Markman, I don't know if Common... Common might have worked with Prince. He liked Erykah Badu a lot. You know what I'm saying? Prince, I met him- Rob Markman, You like eccentric shit. Yeah, I guess, yeah.

So when I met him, he said, I like that one song you got, Hot Thing. I saw Will.i.am, Hot Thing. Will.i.am is on the hook. Rob Markman, Of course. He liked Will.i.am and Black Eyed Peas and all that type of shit. I started just hanging out, doing parties. My wife would do parties. Prince would show up at the parties.

He would just show up. Hold on. How does this happen? Does Prince, does smoke come in when he walks in? In a basketball. Like, yeah. I mean, no, no, no. I'm serious.

Prince would walk in the party. I'm thinking of the Dave Chappelle shit. He'd walk in the party. I went to a party once in LA. What's that club that's across the street from the Beverly Center? The club that's across the street from the Beverly Center? That's the name of it. Yeah.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Prince walked in. The club ended, and Prince kept a bunch of us in the club. At gunpoint. No, not at gunpoint. But he's Prince. He just gave the look.

Almost gunpoint. And everybody stayed. Everybody stayed. Eye point. Eye point. He, not at gunpoint. But he's Prince. He just gave the look. Almost gunpoint. And everybody stayed. Eye point. At eye point. He put out a little Bible. Wait, Prince brought a Bible to the club? Yeah, he's hella religious. He's a Jehovah's Witness.

Yeah, yeah. Hella religious. Wait, and Jehovah's Witness, they get down like that? They bring Bibles to the club? And he started having Bible study at the club. He don't drink. At three in the morning. Was niggas drinking?

There was no niggas there. All right. It was only women. And me. Because my wife is a DJ. So I was the only nigga. And there was one other dude who was a boyfriend of one of the other girls. So it was Prince and me and this other dude.

All right. Don't pass it. This is other niggas. Pass it back to me. I got you. All right. Go ahead. I got you.

And this other dude, Prince was caught in the Bible. He was caught in the Bible. And this other dude, Prince was caught in the Bible. He was caught in the Bible. And this other dude tried to say something smart. And now this other dude, he's not with Prince. No. Okay, good. He just happened to be there. He tried to say something.

And Prince, I'll never forget this. Prince said, listen, I know you think that you're saying something to add on to the conversation. But you really, you know what I'm saying? From what you're saying, I can tell you don't know what you're talking about. So how about you just not participate in the conversation? Was Prince about the whippin' nigga ass?

You know what I'm saying? I'm asking you, was he? He politely told him, you don't know the fuck you talking about. Did Prince have on heels? No, he did not.

He's a gangster. He did not. I've been to several clubs with Prince. Prince had Chuck Taylor. Yeah, keep going with the Prince stories. I went to a club.

Do you remember the Zini in L.A.? Zini, I know. L.A., they used to have this party called Zini. They used to have it. I had Big Zini before. Big Zini, man. Big Zini. My bad.

At 2 o'clock in the morning, the clubs in L.A. closed. All right, yes, that's a fact. And then this dude used to have this party called Zini. We rented a warehouse. He used to rent the Muppet Studios, Jim Henson. Right?

I need to know these type of people, Talib. Come on, party with me. I'm back. I know. Yeah. He hanging out with Big Bird.

Big Bird. I was with Ernie and Bert and shit. You know what I'm saying? But he used to have these parties, but they used to bring the alcohol.

And they used to set up stages and have go-go dances. And all the celebrities used to go and all the basketball players. You know what I'm saying? That type of party. It was a little Illuminati shit. He's definitely a Illuminati.

I was with Tyler in LA. Prince called my wife and he said, where the party at? And we said, we at Zini. He said, I'm coming. And this nigga just rolled up. I had the privilege to tell him to promote. I said, listen, I'm coming and this nigga just rolled and I told I had the privilege to tell him to promote I said listen I'm bringing Prince. I got a Justin Bieber story when you fit. Yeah, I'm bringing Prince How the hell is just a beer and Prince going together because Justin Bieber said that what?

Prince ain't the only nigga around My fans hate when to be cut us off I don't remember this. We're going to get into that. We're going to get into that later. We're going to get into that later. Let's finish this. This is great. My fans hate when they cut us off. They'll be like, you're the biggest. Finish this story. Finish that story, please. So Prince came in the club, right?

And the girl was dancing. And he said, this party's great, but why is she up there dancing with no clothes on? She had clothes on. She had things covered. But he said, why is she? He said, it don't need to be that. Because this is Jehovah's Witness Prince.

Right, right. This is not the last she, it don't need to be that. You know, because this is Jehovah's Witness Prince. Right, right. This is not the last dragon Prince. This is not like, Purple Rain Prince, definitely not the Purple Rain Prince. What was the chick from the last dragon? Lake Manitoba Prince. Prince used to be

Buck Wilde back in the days. In the 80s, he was out of control. So, I said, listen, he asked me to introduce him to the party promoter.

I introduced him. And he said, he explained to me, he said, listen, these girls, they bring business people buy drinks Prince said let me talk to her what he tried to convert let me talk to

her I need to hit his hand the girl he talked to the girl the girl didn't know who Prince was shame young chick young chick dancing the club she might have heard the name Prince she didn't know. She's going to die tonight. This is a long time ago. I'm telling an old story. This is an old story. He bites her. She turns. And that's what happens.

He said, how much are they paying you to dance with your clothes off? She said the number. He said, I'll pay you double to get down off that stage. Go home.

Let's make some noise to a prince being a trick. That's what's up. That's that. Yo, wait noise for Prince being a trick. That's what's up. Yo, wait. Is that reverse pimping? That's reverse pimping right there. He said, go home, put your clothes on. Prince invented reverse pimping.

She said, I'll take your money tonight, but what am I going to do tomorrow night? That's what this girl said to Prince. I want to hear his response. What was his response? He said, I don't have no control over that. That's real pippin. That's pippin right there. That is pippin right there.

Bitch, we're figuring it out. I got you tonight. Tomorrow you're on your own, motherfucker. I'm not going to quote him verbatim. You know what I'm saying? Besides that one line. Besides that one line. He didn't say that verbatim.

But beyond that, he basically explained to her. He was like, listen, I'm giving you an opportunity to make a different decision in your life. I watched him explain to this girl and talk to this girl. And I knew from the way that she was talking to him that she didn't understand the legacy. She didn't understand. She was just like, okay, yeah, whatever. Prince had an album coming with like three bitches butt naked on top of him, right? Maybe some dudes. And everybody thought he was gay. No, what did you say top of him right maybe some dudes and everybody thought he

was gay no what'd you say i wasn't ready for your answer you know prince is you know prince is god yeah he stuck to his guns right and he understood every artist and me and nori the fact that we even here doing drink champs right smoking weed. Talking about Prince, bigger than Prince. You know what I'm saying? We understand that every artist got contradictions. That's the nature of being an artist. Yeah, it's true. J.R.S. One, the person that we revere, is the most contradictory artist ever. But that's part of being human, like you said, being human.

Because all human beings got contradictions. Artists, our contradictions is amplified. You know what I'm saying? Because people pay more attention. You know what I'm saying? But everybody got contradictions. Artists, our contradictions is amplified. Right. Because people pay more attention. You know what I'm saying? But everybody got contradictions. You know what I mean? Artists, we just, we create out of our contradiction.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. But Prince was like Jesus, man. Listen, let me tell you something. I've never, like, Billy Dee Williams transcended for me. Like, what I mean by that is, like, Billy Dee Williams, Eddie Murphy, Prince, and Michael Jackson was people who were like, you know, I grew up in a different time. I like that he threw Billy Dee Williams in.

That's a hood nigga that threw Billy Dee Williams in when Michael Jackson and Prince. And then they said Billy Dee Williams. Those were certain people. No, those were certain people to me. No, Cold 45. Yeah, Cold 45. I still drink Cold 45. Let No, those were certain people to me. No, Colt 45. Yeah, Colt 45. I still drink Colt 45. Let's try out the cheeseburger, baby. Let's try out the cheeseburger, baby. I know it's a reference.

I still go there and drink. Calrissian is secondary. I mean, Colt 45, that's a smooth dynamite taste. Nah, but you know, for those four individuals right there, those are the people who transcended life for me. They are the people that... No, no, no, no.

Let's keep it over here. That's right. I'm sorry. Yeah, let's keep it over here. So those are the people that transcended their life for me. What I mean by that is like, you know, as a black person growing up young in my life, I can't describe anybody else here or anybody. In my life, it was like those are the people that said, you can't do this, you can't do that.

And they did it. And I was just like, I always looked at them as like i ain't i ain't gotta be like them but i respect that you know what i'm saying and that's why when i met with people like pharrell it was easy for me to say i don't understand you and i don't really i don't really get where you're going at but your music is fucking banging how did you meet so well that's how I met Pharrell we was in sound on sound studios everybody understand yeah everybody's to think biggies to be called at daddy's house something happened at daddy's house I don't remember A good one. A positive one. You took us mad sad right there. I hate to keep it.

No, but another memorable one was when we was working on Murder Music, and we was in Electric Lady right there on West 8th or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know Electric Lady. And then I had came back, and one of my homies was like, yo, Prince is out there. I was like, get the fuck out of here. Oh, shit.

So he went and got Prince. Hold on, hold on, have, hold on. Prince the Rewind, Rewind. Hold on, have, you about to tell me you met Prince? Yes, I believe you. Go ahead, you're gonna start it all over, start it all over, start it all over. He ain't seen that shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never been in the vicinity of the Snickers. Nah, so, word. Yeah, I never been there. And that's how I feel about Michael Jackson. So anyway, so we in the studio, one of my homeboys was like, yo Prince is out there. I was like, get the fuck out of here. He was like, hell yeah, I feel about Michael Jackson. So anyway, so we in the studio, and one of my homeboys was like, yo, Prince is out there. I was like, get the fuck out of here.

He was like, hell yeah, I'll bring that nigga in here. He mad cool. He fucking brought Prince in the studio. Now, I'm about this tour. Now, Electric Lady, remember, this is Jimi Hendrix. Now, I'm about this tour, whatever I'm about to talk. Prince is like this. And he had heels on?

And I'm short. Did he always have heels always had pills no he just had what he had he didn't have heels number one it wasn't heels flint should have on hills not heels so i was making so i was so i was making a beat and then i i was like holy prince like you know what he just hung out at that point yeah i, I was like, yo, is there anything I need to do to the beat? Because he was like, hold on. The nigga got on the keyboard and just started. I swear to God. He's on a record, though?

He was that cool, yo. Wait, did he get on a record? Did he get on your beat? Yes. And then Snoop rhymed on the beat. And then Snoop rhymed on the beat. And this record came out? It came out.

What record is this? It's called, Thall Shall Now Kill. Listen to it. Oh my God! Let's make some noise for this! But no credits to Prince on this. He probably walked away and said, don't give me credit.

So when did he play, the keys? The nigga walked out and didn't even say bye. How about that? Fuck the credits. He was like, Poof! Purple smoke! Oh my God! I'm like, I'm like blowing away. like it's okay right I mean because you guys not only get to make your own project but you get to go out there like in with the big you wasn't there when big laid the vocals nah i wasn't doing big who was you there like they've blown

you away that laid your vocal uh lady vocals on one of your beats little kim and foxy together nah but i saw them each time. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I was working with Foxy, I seen her. Right. Like, her vocals are dope. And last, but definitely not least, we celebrate the life of the legendary Big Pun. As a lot of you already know, Nori and Fat Joe shared a very special friendship with Pun.

So it's only right that we share some of these big Punn stories told in our very first episode of Drink Champs with Fat Joe. You know, and then when he passed, my brother was number one and I always maintained number two. So I always was cool being number two. So then when I started rapping and it's Fat Joe and then I bring Punn in the game and I realized that Punn is a hundred times better than me. You fell into that role then I bring Pun in the game. And I realize that Pun is 100 times better than me. You fell into that role again.

I fell right into number two. I was like, yo, I'll hold the door for this nigga. I ain't got a problem. Let me ask you something that I always wondered. So you met Remy through Pun? Yes, sir. So Pun had Remy. She is Big Pun's artist.

Because I remember Pun. I remember Pun. You know Pun is retarded. I was so jealous. God bless. I was a pun. I remember a pun. You know a pun is retarded. I was so jealous. God bless. God bless. I was so jealous because it wasn't too many crews where you had a nigga as nicest pun. And then you had a bitch that was like the nicest bitch in the game. So he was like, yo, twin, I want you to hear this girl I signed.

I'm like, all right. So I see her. She had the leather vest. I can never forget that shit. And then she just went off for like 10 minutes straight. And that's when she was saying, I shoot the leather vest. I can never forget that shit. And then she just went off for like 10 minutes straight. And that's when she was saying, I shoot the air, Bubba Welch's sneakers. I'm Ankers. And she was just going.

I was like so jealous, man. I was sitting there like, oh, my God. My head was saying why I didn't find her, why I didn't find her. So then after she rocks, Pond History's your twin. You know, she your artist, twin. Like, you know, she signed to me, but we signed to you. What was his label? He had a label?

It was Terror Squad the whole time. He discovered her first. Right, right, right. He's trying to say, yo, he signed her. He discovered her, but he's like, yo. He's like the A&R. Yo, Joe, it's coming to you anyway, nigga. But I'm just saying, I want to say she's my artist.

I'm like, all right, my nigga. Thank God. Right. And, you know. But you did the deal with her after Punn passed? Nah, nah. While Punn was alive. Oh, while Punn was alive?

Yeah. Okay, wow. We did the deal with her while Punn was alive. You know Punn better than, you know what I'm saying? Most loyal, realest nigga in the world. We don't just say that because he's dead. Because some nigga's dead piece of shit. You know, Pun was one of the most loyalist niggas in the world, but most fun.

I mean, the way I say it is like, you know, I was the youngest kid in my house. You know what I'm saying? I never had a younger brother. So Pun was like the young brother I never. So, Pom was like the young brother I never had and I was like the big brother he never had. And immediately,

you know what I'm saying? It's almost like a relationship. You know, in order to make a marriage last, it's like you really got to sign in. Mentally and heart wise.

You got to really say, yo, no matter what happens, I wanna stay with this woman for the rest of my life. Make some noise for that, goddammit. Clap your hands for that, goddammit. Come on, y'all. We gon' get romantic later. No, I'm just saying.

That's commitment. It's just like, yo, nobody stopping this shit, right? And it's the same thing with me and Pun. After I heard him rhyme for the first time, he sat in my car, and he immediately, I don't know how and why, but he was telling me shit I wouldn't tell Nori now about myself. And that's my brother.

I could go to war with Nori. I would really kill for Nori. He'll kill for me. I would not tell him some personal shit in my family growing up and all that. So five minutes later, I'm riding with the nigga. This nigga's telling me the deepest shit I ever heard. And I'm sitting there with him. I'm thinking to myself, you know, I'm a street nigga.

I'm like, why is this nigga telling me all this shit? Right? So I'm sitting there like this. So I knew his life story the first 20 minutes after I left him. I met him. I already knew everybody. Let me ask you something

because we're in the air. Like, like, like Tata, right? Jay-Z's boy had brung me Rihanna, right? And I had to join Pauly, Kwa,

Morena. And he said, yo, she wants to do this record. She wants to do it like Barbwa, Morena. And he said, yo, she wants to do this record, right? She wants to do it like Barbados and all that. We got a punch in this shit. And listen, check what I said. But she wanted 15 bands. I had a million dollar budget at the time.

I said no, right? I said no. I passed on that. Did you know the minute you met Pun that this was the next dude? Oh, no, he was gone. You had to. Was it instant or like I'm gonna be on it I'm gonna be honest with you um I know music probably more than anybody right it's

just the truth if this industry wasn't scared of me for being such a gangster they will be a hell I would be the president of everything. Nobody really know more than me. Every time they turn around and they give a nigga a new job, I put it on blast. The minute they gave Joey I.E. president of Interscope, he picked the phone up, called me, said, I learned everything from you, my brother. Please, you don't even understand.

Everything I know is because of you. Niggas get presidents, and they go, I studied you my whole life. You are the smartest nigga in here. But they scared of me so they won't give me that position. Don't know why because I'm the nicest nigga in the world. That's a fact.

Right? So when I met Pun and the nigga started rapping, so, all right, the scene is, I told her a million times, I don't want to tell shit on your shit that I told everybody, but I'm going to just say it

because we family. So I go, you know, I was one of the only rappers, him being another one too, so I can't stunt on him, but I'm one of the only rappers that actually was rich, actually was gold already, and was still in my hood like I live in apartment 5E. Like literally. Hold on, everybody better make noise for this. I am also from apartment 5e. Like, literally. Hold on. Everybody, you better make noise for this. I am also from apartment 5e. God damn it.

God damn it. God damn it. Yo, you know what's crazy? I study hip-hop. Jay-Z was also from apartment 5e. What does that mean? What does that mean?

That means we in a project. Hold on. We got to bring... He's from Miami now. No, no, no. I know literally what that means. I'm saying, is there a hidden meaning behind all this? No.

We're going to ask Illuminati. We might all be Illuminati. We're going to ask Illuminati. We might all be Illuminati. We got to ask Illuminati. Is there a universal meaning? And first off, let me also make some noise for my brother, K. You know, Ray Kwan's brother.

He was the whole Wu-Tang. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. He's here. I didn't see the dog. Yo, K. K. Excuse me.

Somebody get that man a drink. Somebody get that man a drink. Somebody get that man a drink. We ain't got no brown. We ain't got no brown, okay? Yo, K, I know you called me and I told you I had it, but nobody never gave me my sneakers, my purple. Oh, I got one on you. He called me first.

Wait, hold on. He called me. I told him I'm going to go pick it up. Let me tell you something. Could I still get them or are they gone? I'm going to make sure it up. Let me tell you something. Could I still get them or they gone? I'm going to show you get a bitch. Jesus Christ. Listen, Brad Joe.

Let's go straight. I'm glad you brung it to here. Are you the Snake of Kings? And if you are, who am I? We're going to end this on this. Well, pun the best Latino rapper ever lived. I'll tell you right now. Nobody close. Real quick.

When I heard him on Firewater. Firewater? Yeah, that was my first song. It was me. Raekwon, the God. I had him on Armageddon. That's the first song ever came out I put that on a mixtape

on your mixtape on my mixtape in Miami nobody had ever heard let me tell you nobody had ever heard anything I put it on a mixtape

here in Miami and I was like this dude is fucking killing it I didn't know who he was the best I just but then I knew I didn't know who he was. The best. I just, but then I knew.

I knew he was Latino. I was like. We got one. That's it. Yeah, we got one. That's it because just so you know, at that same time, Big L's my favorite rapper. Digging in the Craigs crew. That's my brother too.

So that's my other favorite rapper. Fat Joe was a member of two crews with two of the greatest rappers brother too. So that's my other favorite rapper. Fat Joe was a member of two crews with two of the greatest rappers of all time. That's my other favorite rapper. We know it's late, but make some noise. Get on. That's where I'm like,

this is it. Yo. Yo, we got him. Yo, I've really, it's just almost like Chink's. Chink's drugs. Los Angeles, then Evangelist,

then Evangelist, then Banana. Oh an evangelist. Then an evangelist. Then a banana. Oh, my God. I knew Pun was great. I didn't know he was the greatest until... After his funeral, I remember me standing there and crying. And God bless the dead. Flex.

Flex TS was the one who came and grabbed me because I didn't know what to do. Like, I just started crying. My mother came to the funeral. Keep it real, Flex. Yeah, I remember that. Without me. My mom said,

my mom didn't wait for me to come. My mother went. Yeah. My sister went. Man, from the bodega. Like, it was so crazy because the people who came to that funeral, you know, it was like crazy, man.

It was like people from our community that never even talked to us was like, you know, they were so proud. They were showing up. And you was like, yo, that's my school teacher, you know. So I'm sitting there crying and I walk by and my school teacher come and grab me and like, yo, be strong. This, this, that. Like we touched so many niggas in that hood. It was crazy. But it was like that, too.

I never forget, too. I was at one point, I was at Punt's funeral and I was crying. And it was Ja Rule. And I looked up and it was Ja Rule. He was there one deep, too. He was like, be strong, crack. Don't worry, be strong. And that shit, that Pun shit was serious, man.

This is what, I remember Flex grabbing me and just was like, yo, he's not suffering no more. And the crazy shit, I've never seen Pun suffer. Like when Pun, and I know we going too much, but we going to stop it soon. But when Pun used to have sleep apnea, like when he used to go like this, I used to think Pun was playing with me. Like, God bless me, because now I know.

But back then, I used to be like, damn, my fucking stories is boring. You put people to sleep. Like, yo, we would be talking like, yo, what's good? I'd be like, oh. All right, let's just get it on the record love nori pun love nori and uh in a different way in a special way right and uh them used to hang out they used to chill like we still avoid joe that's what joe said because joe was always militant like he's always mill He's the get money dude.

Like that's all he thinks about. Me and Punn, we wanted to have fun. We was younger. You know what I'm saying? Joe's our OG, it's a fact. So we used to be like on the road, everything. Like and Punn smoked weed, he drank Coors Light. You know what I mean?

And Joe, like this, like you just started drinking. Like really, like you just started drinking like yeah really like you just started leisurely drinking yeah like i didn't think at that time so serious he was like like every day like the engineers were scared of you i told you i told my son this too i said listen bro we was born with nothing my and if we get the opportunity to go get it, let's not stop, nigga. Let's just go get it. And we can't make it. We got to go get this fucking money, man, because all the times we dreamed about getting money, all the times all we wanted was money. Niggas wouldn't give us a fucking ice cream.

You know, we starving. Niggas got to chip in for four chicken wings and french fries. Now niggas is throwing this money at us like Like, what the fuck is we supposed to do? Let's go get this fucking money. That's a fact. And that's what I'm about right now. I'm in the car with my son. I'm in the car with him.

I barked on him two minutes before I came here because he was like, yo, and Janine ain't really doing it right. I'm like, nigga, you fucking crazy. Like, I be rapping in closets, nigga. We going to doing it right this like nigga you fucking crazy like I'll be rapping in closets we're gonna end it on this the gym back in the days you couldn't send an email you had to run around with two inch tapes like this you know that shit was like carrying a midget yeah real real real you know still got the flow let me tell you something. I've never been to, and this is my engineer right here, Hazardous Sounds, my producer, my friend.

But Haz, I have never had a session with you unless I did four records. Keep it real. I'm going to look away so I'm not giving you no sign. Am I lying? At least four. I'm lying all day. At least four. At least four.

Because you know why? It's not because... But back then, spending $1,500 on a lockout or $3,000 on a lockout, I had to do... Yo, 100% honest shit. I'm keeping it real. CNN War Report album was done over two years, but it was only like five to seven sessions. Because we recorded eight, nine records when

we went in there. And Tragedy put us on. Rob Markman, Yeah, but you had this wave, man. Your wave was like special wave. Rob Markman, No, but what it was- Rob Markman, Y'all niggas, man, you could do whatever you wanted, Norrie. Norrie, you a funny nigga. And then it's like, maybe he was bugging out, but to us it was like flows we never heard, right?

It's true. The nigga's like, what the fuck is this nigga saying? This shit hot! You know what that came from? What was the joint you did? And we got to go. We got to go, yeah. But you keep talking and I got to sit over with you. What was the joint you did? And we got to go. We got to go, yeah. We got to go, yeah. But you keep talking.

I got to sit over with you. What was the joint you did? I think it was in the firm. Yo, Nori know this. Nori know that. I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

I can give you the story of that, and then we break out. All right. But listen, it goes. It's that one, right? Uh-huh. Nori know this. Nori know that. That's the firm shit. But Nor we know that but nor we know why because

nor we i'm leaving that's the firm yeah yeah yeah and there was another one you did for nas right was it nas or mob deep it was blood money blood money blood money blood money's one of my favorite records blood money the one well we did that during the firm album um the funny shit i'm not gonna lie to you from the outside and I don't know if you know you was like the Ellis nigga right there like like right there when they snatched you up cuz it was a big move for you and I had just shot nigga yo no projects to and he was like hanging out there. They was like, what? This nigga's from Left Bracket. Left Bracket's getting money in 20 minutes. Yeah, it's fall.

And I kept hanging out. And I got to give the love to Jungle. Jungle was the dude like, Jungle was like, we fucking want him. We fucking want the shooter. You know what I mean? But Fat Joe, man. But what I'm saying is. I said about the ending.

When I heard that song, they recruited you, and you was just like, it was so ill. I was just like, yo, this shit crazy, man. And you know, from then, my very first feature after that was the Punn record. My very first feature after that. But you and Punn. You know Punn's first words he ever said to me? What'd he say? He said, because I was in a session. This is the first words

you ever said to me. You going long. You said, this is the first words you ever said to me. You said, y'all CNN, huh? He walked in his unique studio. His unique studios. Nigga walks in, whoa, and then Punn walks in. He goes, y'all CNN, huh? I'm like, he said, which one of y'all niggas got shot?

And then Pond raised his hand. And then y'all start comparing gunshot rooms and shit. I was like, this is very awkward. Pond shows his shit there. And then he goes, which one of y'all is Puerto Rican? And I raised my hand. And this is 100% facts. I was just like,

because I never met this nigga. I love this nigga, but I don't want him to think I'm a sucker. He just walked in my studio session. Clue told you to walk over, right? Buck Wild is doing a beat. Maybe be Buck Wild. And then,

pun goes to me. He goes, yo, you Puerto Rican? And I go, yeah. He goes, so wipe the ice grill off, papa. Because we're going to be friends. And from that moment,

yo, the nigga made me laugh. From that moment, I was racist from that moment. That's awesome. Some of the best people I ever met. Man, Joe, I really appreciate you. You have never left me. You know, you've always been there for me.

I want to shout out the guard Ray Kwan. Guard Ray Kwan. And Kay. And Kay is his birthday. Kay is his birthday. Happy birthday, my brother. But Ray Kwan, the chef. Before you leave.

Top five friends. Top three friends. Again, on behalf of myself and Nori, thank you for listening to this Memorial Day episode of Drink Champs. We hope you enjoyed reliving these moments with us. Stay tuned as we'll be releasing new episodes weekly. Until then, keep those drinks on ice, rest those livers, and get ready to make some motherfucking noise.

Special shout out to all the guests that we've had on Drink Champs for these past couple of years, few years. I mean, without them, we wouldn't be here. You know, those guests is what make it special. They come on the show and they have fun with us. And that's what counts. At the end of the day, we're here to have fun, to celebrate life, and keep it motherfucking moving. Shout out to the Drink Champs crew, the Drink Champs Army, Crazy Hood crew,

Militainment crew, thugged out, everybody out there. Shout out to my boy Jay Havan who helped put this together. Hazardous Sounds. Man, let's get out of here, man. Make sure you check us out at www.drinkchamps.com

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