Drink Champs - Episode 166 w/ Kareem "Biggs" Burke

Episode Date: June 14, 2019

N.O.R.E & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. On this episode the Champs sit down with Kareem "Biggs" Burke. Known as a co-founder of the legendary Roc-A-Fella Records. Biggs chops it up with your favorite Drunk Uncles. In this episode Biggs shares the story about the first time meeting Diddy, introduces his new artist SAINt JHN, shares some of his favorite drunk stories with NORE, shed’s light on the Roc-A-Fella Family Tree and even lays to rest old rumors from the Roc-A-Fella era and much much more!Follow:Drink Champs http://www.drinkchamps.com http://www.instagram.com/drinkchamps http://www.twitter.com/drinkchamps http://www.facebook.com/drinkchamps DJ EFN http://www.crazyhood.com http://www.instagram.com/whoscrazy http://www.twitter.com/djefn http://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductions N.O.R.E. http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreaga http://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yappy hour, make some noise! Now, EFN, you're like me. We love to interview CEOs. So when it comes to our guest right now, he's one of the most remarkable CEOs. He's one of the people who held his ground, stood there through the test of time, still out here getting money, got new artists, new adventures, new movies, new endeavors, new

clothing lines. This motherfucker's still out here kicking ass. He looks like he's motherfucking 24 years old, you know what I'm saying? And motherfucking Incredible Hulk shape and all this type of shit. And if you don't know who I'm talking about, my motherfucking homeboy, Biggs Burgers in the middle there! Now, now one of the things that struck me

very early is you was involved, you were involved with this movie, OG. Yeah. That's out. Oh, damn,

you're involved in that? Yeah. That looks incredible. Right, right. Hold on, y'all. We're going to act like it's already out because by the time this is over. All right, we got it. So we do, all right, so. Hold on, y'all. We're going to act like it's already out because by the time this is over.

All right, we got it. So the movie OG came out, you know what I'm saying? HBO, correct? HBO, yeah. I had two movies. Okay, what was the first one, OG? OG and then it's The Hard Truth. Oh, The Hard Truth. Okay, let's stick with OG. So obviously it's about a guy who get locked up. Now, is this your story or no? No, it's not my story. Okay.

The script was already done, and most of it was already shot before I came on board. So, they wanted me, the executive producer, to come on and amplify the message of the movie because I speak to that anyway about social justice, reform, and restoration process. The restorative process. Right. Wow, wow. So, how did that process happen like someone just reached out or yeah they reached out to me and then once I seen a little bit of the movie I was like this makes total sense every cut the movie the very yes some of it was shot yeah but Jeffrey Wright being I would say one of the best actors of our time. That's the dude that played Malcolm X? Peebles. Yeah, he played Peebles in Shaft.

Yeah, Peebles. That's the main dude, right? Basquiat. He's on Westworld. Yeah, he's incredible. Peebles in Shaft, though, right? That's what I know. And he played in a couple of James Bond movies as well.

He did a bunch of stuff. Jesus, okay. And so, so this movie that came to you, they asked you to be a part of it. You read the script and that's what convinces you? No, no, no. I've seen it.

They had some shots. So I was actually able to see some of the film. Okay. And what's the next movie you said you had? It's A Hard Truth. So it's a part two to that. And we got the inmates actually interviewing themselves. So the difference, the reason why OG is so special other than the

story and the actors, it's the only time a movie has ever been shot in a prison and over 150 of the actors are all inmates. Oh, hell no. So if we get best actor and best supporting actor, the best supporting actor is going to be an inmate, which has never happened before. And they get paid as well? Yeah, they got

paid. Wow. I mean, it's a very small fee. Like whenever they get paid in prison, they got paid. Wow. I mean, it's a very small fee. Whenever they get paid in prison, they got paid. And Jeffrey Wright took the same pay for his role as well. Word? Why? He wanted to get paid like the inmates. That nigga's...

He's an awful... What is that called? Method actor? Yeah. I mean, it was tough because he's playing an inmate alongside inmates. So he took it as a challenge too. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. challenge, too. Wow, wow. That's amazing.

Now, what's with the clothing line? You got the fourth. Come on, Mr. Lee, pop a bottle. You got the fourth of November. Fourth of November, yeah. We launched them actually coming back out in November. Apart from the ones that's cold already. Come on.

Come on, Lee. Come on, man. Get it together. Damn, Lee. Come on, man. Get it together. We've been popping bottles since they're here. Come on, man.

Get it together. Don't hold it, man. Get together. You been playing with bottles since they were here? Come on, man. Get together. How old is Mr. Lee? Dominicans don't age. I know five different niggas of different generations. They all said, I grew up with Mr. Lee. You're in the movie. Hope she grows. One thing is in the 70s.

One thing is in the 60s. one thing is in the 60s. Everybody grew up with Mr. Lee playing handball. So, I'll definitely play handball in my drink. I'm not going to lie to you. That was the one thing

I was like good at in jail was like, I was like, yeah, I'm sorry. I was the only black nigga that could play basketball and handball. Like, you know, if you play handball, you're going to stay on that side. You play basketball, that's it.

But I was the only dude that could play ball because I was like, fuck it, I'm black and Porter. Speaking of that, what do you think of when you hear this 21 Savage thing? You know what I'm saying? With the deportation? The deportation. Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about it, but I don't know if he was born here or not, so I don't know the legality of it. But I mean, I'm all for him staying here.

Right. 100%. Because your background is similar to that, right? Well, I'm actually West Indian and Puerto Rican. Oh, okay. Yeah, but I'm from the U.S. Same time as in Puerto Rico. Okay, cool, cool.

Damn. But that struck me kind of like hard because... So he was actually born out the country? I believe he was. Yeah, supposedly he outstayed his visa, supposedly. Yeah. And they're using a felony, I think, against him, which he had expunged is what I had read. I would have bet $200,000.

Like, you just say $200,000, he's from the UK or Atlanta. I would have bet it all on Atlanta, yo. This guy, he's ill. But yeah, God bless. I mean, Slick Rick went through the same thing. That's very true. I totally forgot about Slick Rick. I remember Slick Rick's wife, when I was on radio,

she was doing a whole campaign. I forgot about that. Yeah, and they were able to figure that out. I don't know how they figured it out. So Slick Rick was the first hip-hop guy that got deported. Yeah, and French Montana just worked his shit out. Like, he's good. I think... Yo, Gustavo, we good? Did I mess up the sound? French Montana, he just got his shit.

And you think it's becoming harder because of Trump? I don't mean to get political, but I just think we have to. I mean, it could be, yeah. He's at the forefront of that. Right. Yeah, tell Trump we need a pardon, man. Right, word. You know what I thought about? Tell Kanye we need a pardon for 21.

Word. You know what, I was just saying something. I thought about that. I said, that's how Trump is going to be hip-hop accepted. Like, he's going to come in with his release 21 and just, and niggas are going to be like, Trump, aight. Okay. Niggas are going to be like, Trump, aight. Niggas would be like, Trouba, aight?

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying. If he released him, Big Meech... He released him? No, if he released him, Big Meech, and Pappy Mason, niggas got nothing to say, man. Let me stop. Let me stop. No, no, no, but Big Meech, that would be a real stuff. That would be, that would be.

I think that prison reform, you know, what Meech is forming with Jay, how important is that? I mean, big time. I mean, we know what's happening is all the people of color that's suffering from that. It's the communities that's suffering from that. So if you got somebody, you know, like I said earlier, to amplify that message, and somebody that looks like us that's talking to the youth, talking to the people that are suffering from that. So if you got somebody, like I said earlier, to amplify that message, and somebody that looks like us that's talking to the youth, talking to the people that's in power, saying that something needs to change, then you have a higher chance to get that message across.

You know, you got Jay, Robert Kras, the owner of the 76ers, Meek at the forefront of that, but it's really Meek's thing. They're just supporting him. That's dope. I like to see that. I like to see the growth in the youth. I like to see him hanging out with Robert Kraft. I like to see him hanging out. I like that a lot. Meek has grown a lot, man. Me and him had a conversation. Other than

him telling that he just made $20 million in seven months. Right. Tell me about what he's doing for the communities and stuff because he went through that. You don't want to go through an extenuating circumstance to go through some hardship to have to come and do that, but you learn from that. I did.

I'm sure you did. Well, let's make some noise for him. What'd you say? Thank you. What do you feel is necessary for our culture to continue to grow? Because at the end of the day, like we said at our first interview, you guys were like the first people that developed luxury marketing.

Yeah. Meaning like, you know, when you put the rap on the bench, it wasn't like, you know, the E class. Like, you know, E class is considered a low class. Back then, that shit was considered like an S. So how did you develop that type of mind state? I think it came from, you know, when we were kids. You know what I mean?

Rather teenage and stuff, always wanting what the older kids wanted. I mean, had, rather. So, you know, in our neighborhoods, it was always the older hustlers that we looked up to, and we wanted to do what they did, but do it better. So now that we had some money, especially some legal money, we was able to put it to something that made sense. You know what I mean? God damn.

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Come on, pour your shot. Come on, let's go. Let's go. Another shot. You can sip it. get yourself going. Let's go, let's go. I'll have a shot? Let's go, yeah. No, not a shot. You can sip it. Then we do I'll have a shot later. Actually, yeah, let's talk about that because that's when I actually got introduced

to this De Leon and Yale. Oh, it was the first time you drank it there? Yeah. Oh, get out of here. I thought you was frowning. No, I didn't get it. I was just frowning. I was only frowning about the surprise.

Yeah, all right. I thought you was frowning in front of Puff. Like, oh, okay. No, no, no. It's good. No, it's real good. It's real good. No, no, no.

If you fucking together, that's great. I guess I can say it now because Puff actually fucked up the surprise. Oh, yeah. Word out. Because I was with him the night before. Oh, okay. And then he was like, yo, what are we doing tomorrow? Are we going to such and such?

I was like, I don't know. I didn't just fuck up the surprise. I was like, come on, know. I didn't just fuck up the surprise dinner. I was like, come on, Diggs, you got to fake it. That was crazy because me and you were supposed to have a meeting before that. So your people was hitting me like, don't get him drunk. So when the meeting didn't happen, I was like, I'm so glad because I can't hold a surprise neither. But this was the most luxurious, this was the most A luxurious This was the most illest dinner

Like people really came out To show you love Like how did that feel? I mean it felt good man Especially everybody going around Saying something good And stuff like that I don't really celebrate my birthday

Word, word I mean I celebrate You know my birthday You know you feel like It's your birthday You don't really want to do much But when there it's somebody else's, you're quick to celebrate. So I just got used to that. No, we're going to change that up.

We're going to start celebrating your motherfucking birthday. You deserve it, goddammit. Salud, salute. You deserve it, goddammit. Now, I learned when I was in Mexico. I'm going back to the dinner, but I learned when I was in Mexico that real tequila drinkers drink it like that they sip tequila

because I used to always think tequila was a setback like a shot drink yeah a shot drink but you could if you pour it in a shot glass but you could sip I mean anything you could sip or drink

but you go straight to the bits when you do it as a shot right you go straight to the bottom it depends what mood I'm in my birthday it was all I was in a shot mood and the next day You did a straight tequila too

What was that shit you had At the Malibu place? Oh Mezcal Mezcal is great man What the fuck is that? It's like tequila It's not tequila? No it's not tequila

It's a tequila family Like the same plant or something But it's different Just like how there's gin Vodka Rum Tequila Mezcal It's it's own category Yeah Mez this gin, vodka, rum, tequila, mezcal.

It's its own category. Yeah, mezcal is great. So let me ask you something. Why do you drink straight, strong fucking drinks? I guess I'm just used to it. I was going to say, this is...

So getting back to that, to the dinner, it was so great. you know what I mean? A lot of people in this industry, this is what Drink Champs is about. Drink Champs is about giving people their flowers, you know, while they're alive. And give them, like, this was so dope. We were going outside, and it was so crazy to see, like, these billionaire people without security. Like, their security was going to fuck with the paparazzi.

Like get the fuck out of here. But they were chilling. Like this shit was dope. And these is your friends. You said, you told me something that was very interesting on the phone

like last one or something. You said, you know this is the first time you and Papa actually spoke. So all these years. Yeah, I never spoke to Papa. I spoke to Papa actually last year at Grammy.

Word. That was the first time we had a conversation. And then I never spoke to Puff. I spoke to Puff actually last year at Grammy. Word. It was my first time we had a conversation. And then I'm from Harlem. What's going on? I know, it's crazy. I mean, it's not like I seen him around Harlem. Right, right. Yeah, we had a conversation and then he came back and was like, you know me and Biggs never

spoke and then we exchanged numbers. Right. And he was like, when I come to LA, he was like, yo, make sure you holler at me. Right. And I seen him at the Oscar party and I didn't call him. He was like, yo, you thought I was drunk.

Why you didn't call me? So, you know, I mean, we ended up hooking up after that. We went to dinner, went to his crib and stuff in his office and shit.

We had a good time. All right. We had a good relationship and, you know, now we, now we friends. God damn it.

Yeah, man. But, um, E, I don't know if you know, man, this,

it was like, it was Kelly Rowland right there. It's Beyonce. man this it was like it was Kelly rolling right there it's Beyonce shit it was more people than the photo the photo by itself with that was that wasn't even happening I was happy but I wasn't even half like there was certain people that didn't even do it was powerful by itself you know that's a powerful back and and and how does it feel that didn't know that in all actuality if you really wanted to like make something happen like what's something,

or the biggest of luxuries, like you can actually do it. Like there's a lot of people who can't. Yeah, you're right. I never thought about it like that, but I'm saying even at the dinner, it was just good to see everybody around together and shit celebrating.

It was, it was, truthfully, it was a great, it was a great thing, man. That was brutal. It was very much appreciated, especially your 10,

your 10 speeches. I gave 10 speeches, definitely. Sounds like a lot of stuff. N it was very much appreciated. Especially your 10 speeches. I gave 10 speeches, definitely. Sounds like God is on my side. Niggas on my side. I kid you not. One of the best stories I ever learned about. He's got two of the best stories of my life.

One is when the recent one, I told you where I seen him. We went to the Jay-Z concert. And I just seen him looking. And at first he wasn't drinking. That's when Sean was there too? Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I seen he wasn't drinking and Jay came

out and he just hit me on my shoulder and I was like, boom. And you know, Biggs ain't aggressive like that so Biggs was hitting me mad hard. Oh shit. I was like, let me look, nigga. So I look and he was just so happy seeing Jay-Z walk out on stage. And to me,

that's the definition of real friendship. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if any of y'all, listen, any of y'all understand what the fuck I just said? This man flew to see his homeboy,

got to see his homie on stage, and was just so happy. You know, he ain't getting no money over this, you know, the tour, nothing like that. But the way he was so happy, he was like, you felt like, you felt like felt like you was picking up the bag right there.

And I was like, yo, that was a beautiful moment for me. Like, just to see that there's people out here like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because I know where we came from and where we started from. You know what I'm saying? And to see that it got this big. Right. You know what I mean?

To see him up there and shit and killing it. I mean, you know, Jay, his feet used to be planted in the middle of the stage. Right. Now this nigga's running? To see him up there and shit and kill it. I mean, you know Jay, his feet used to be planted in the middle of the stage. Right. Now this nigga's running up and down a hundred feet going up and down

side by side and seeing that alongside B, you know what I'm saying, doing something incredible. It was a touching moment, man. And to see how big not only that,

the company, everybody that came through us, the legacy, you know, it was like everything that came together was right there. It has to be fulfilling for you as well. Definitely.

Like the bag isn't always money. It's something like that. It's the relationship. It's not about the transaction. But I saw it like so sincerely. Like I never had seen nothing like that in my life. I was just like sitting there. He was just so happy. And I was like, damn, I want my friends to be

successful too that gotta step it up and another one of my favorite stories was i remember i remember uh this is right before you like got into the trouble or whatever we used to go and you would watch every Allen Iverson game. And every game Allen Iverson would come on. I don't know, you go to Biggs house, I hit him. He's like, yo, I'm home. I'm like, all right, cool, boom. I'll come over, bring some sangria.

And I swear to God, we watched like at least 19 Allen Iverson games together. And then one day we went to the club and Allen Iverson walked right by us and I said, let's go sing something to Alla Iveson. He's like, I don't know if I like him as a person.

And that shit made so much sense to me because just think about it. Like, because you like a person don't mean that that's who they are in real life. So he had cut that off from the beginning. He was like, nah, person don't mean that that's who they are in real life. So, he had cut that off from the beginning. He was like, nah, I don't know.

And you're absolutely right. The person that you like on television does not have to necessarily be that person. But now you and A.I. is cool. 100%. Yeah, yeah. Goddamn it. Make some noise for that, man. Come on, man. Come on, Kory. You're famous. Now, you already know.

I'm drinking. We had some of the most famous battles in drinking. You guys? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I got to hear this. He's like cool karma collective, but he's a fucking animal, all right? He's a drink champ.

He's a drink champ, for sure. I don't know if it's a battle. No, it's not a battle, but in our mind, we always secretly battle. I'm just saying because I always win. All right, cool. a drink. He's a drink jam for sure. I don't know if it's a battle No, it's not a battle, but in our mind we always secretly battle. I guess that is always way Listen and London anyway, I'm still standing drinking the last very true. It's very true That's right. Well in London news. This is the most interesting one was in London because um London, this is the most interesting one, was in London. Because, um, this is when you guys had Armadale, correct? Yeah. These guys had Armadale. Which, by the way, I promoted, remember?

I have a bottle at the crib. The original Armadale? I should have brought it. Oh, man. Come on. But someone took it, so I'm not bringing it. Cut, cut. You're supposed to bring that. So, we're in this indoor pool in London. It's a house with an indoor pool.

Some shit I've never seen before. But for some reason, they're like, yo, let's go. And we go. I'm talking about this is shot for shot to the very last shot. And then there was one last shot. Shot of what? What are you guys drinking? Almond Ale.

Oh, Almond Ale. Okay, that's right. And then Timbal took it. And then there was one last shot. And then Timbo took it, and then he looked at me, he said, there's no more, I said, there's no more. And he fell asleep with his eyes open. And he fell asleep like that. And Biggs came hitting me like, yo, he hyped?

And I was like, nah, he do this all the time. But meanwhile, he doesn't do this all the time. But I was like, Big Face is there. Big Face is there. Yeah, man. Do you think, do you think Rockefeller could ever be emulated?

Like? I mean, it's tough right now to do something to build a business that big and to have everything under it

be successful the way it was. I wouldn't say that it can't happen, but it's going to be tough. It was just a different time and space. Right. And when you say under, you mean like you had the liquor,

you had the clothing? No, I'm talking about all of the executives. Oh, okay. So you think about Eve, Pierre, who's at ICA, Emmanuel at Capital, Shari at Interscope, Latrice at Universal, all of them. I thought Emmanuel was at Atlantic. No, she's at ICA, Emmanuel at Capital, Shari at Interscope, Latrice at Universal,

all of them. I thought Emmanuel was at Atlantic. No, she's at Capital now. She's the executive vice president. She just got bumped up. God damn it.

Let's make some noise for Emmanuel. God damn it. Y'all got so many employees. Shari at Interscope. Everybody went off to do great things. Even the family tree

that was put out, right? Yeah. I think, who was it that tried to dispute it but a lot of people didn't understand the breakdown

of the family tree. I heard Flex talk about it. It was Fox and Flex, right? I totally forgot. So, like, do you want to explain that a little bit?

Yeah, the family tree because Forbes was doing an article on me and they wanted to show a diagram of what we started and how it was a snowball effect that created all these other different either execs uh businesses careers you know so we had and it was

hard because there was a lot of people before us that could have been on that tree right Clark Kent right Kenny Burns like these guys Irv Gotti they didn't come from Rockefeller they were pre-Rockefeller that helped us build these companies that really couldn't fit on there because I couldn't

put them under that you know what I mean so I just kind of put what we did what we started and from there and even with that because it was maybe

the last two days or last day it was a deadline and I think I added a couple more things and I was just like go ahead and put it out so with Flex when he was talking about that I didn't understand what he was saying or maybe he didn't understand what was going on

So he kind of See a lot of people don't know how close we were like if you look at streets is watching I'm the only artist outside of Rockefeller that was on the streets watching. You look at the professional, I'm on there. So I had a relationship. So a lot of people don't really understand- State property movies. State property movies. I started in one of them. I was in Paid in Full. I was in, what's the other shit? Paper Soldiers.

Paper Soldiers. Damn, boy, I'm sorry. Papote! Papote! So a lot of people didn't understand, because I know know that's what the flex he was like, how can Rockefeller say that's a yo flex I was actually been down with him like 10 years. Like I mean a lot of people didn't know it But if you look at the Yeah, so a lot of people but I get where flex was coming from but I Let him know like listen that would you bring up me, you're incorrect. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. There was a lot of inconsistencies, but maybe he just don't know the whole truth. Right, right, right, right. So, with that being said, you ever looked at another record label and was like, yo, they remind me of how we used to do it? Like, is there someone close to you guys, or?

Not really. I mean, because of, I mean, Puff was, he did a lot in the space. But that was like a little bit before y'all, right? Yeah. But nothing after. How about, how about. Yeah, I like with Q and. Yeah, yeah, Q and Coach K is doing over there.

What about TD? TD, definitely. 100% TD. Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, they rocking over there. What about TDE? TDE, definitely. 100% TDE. Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, they rocking over there too. So yeah, TDE and Coach MP, they killing it. All right.

Even Highbridge. Oh, yeah. Able to get them, right? Yeah, Able, QP, and M. They killing it too, yeah. Right. In your opinion... I'm actually done happy. A lot of times, the big economic forces we hear about on the news

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All right. Truthfully. You know what I mean? There's so many people that have different definitions for it. I mean, I don't really look at it or say this person is a part of stealing the culture or doing this to the culture, this and that.

To me, it's a matched culture right now. So in order for rap or hip-hop to grow, it had to grow outside of its immediate base, right? And for it to get that big is now all inclusive right there's skating basketball this sock like everybody listens to the music that's why i grew so big so to me it's just mash culture right now so if somebody's taking advantage i don't think it's a color thing it could be a black person or white person if that's the case to say if they're a culture vulture or not yeah that, that's true. What do you think about that word, E?

I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I think it's just complicated. Like, it's just who determines who is the culture vulture. Right. I mean, you'd have to go into that person's history, where they come from. You don't know what their life entails that makes them a part of the culture or not.

Right. That's true. I mean, it's true. What you think, Noah? I have no idea, to tell you the truth, because if a person comes from outside of our culture, quote unquote,

and is just as dedicated as me, then I got to show them some love. Like, if a person kind of made me, you know, I don't want to say, because I don't want to, like, selfish myself out and say, like,

well, if a person made me a certain amount of money or put me in a position then you know how can they be a culture vulture I just don't I don't really get it I don't really know you know what I mean

so I try to but I'm trying to be enlightened like to even maybe people have differentiate business and culture and that's where it gets muddy

because if that's the case you could be from you could be from reggaeton and coming and doing hip hop and that's where it gets muddy. Because if that's the case, you could be from reggaeton and coming and doing hip-hop and that's considered, you know, being a culture vulture, right? You know what I'm saying?

You're from a whole different culture. You know what I'm saying? People could do dirty business moves that might be smart business moves but might hurt this individual

and that person. Like, you're a culture vulture. Right. But you could be just straight up the culture. It's not about business. You're not involved in the industry side of things.

Right. And that's where it gets a little bit confusing. Right. What do you feel like when, because you knew early Kanye, you don't know, I don't know if you do, but I haven't seen you around crazy Kanye like that too much. I don't mean to call him crazy like that, you know what I mean, like you know Magna Kanye what do you feel about Magna Kanye, because I mean you knew the south side of Chicago Kanye

I don't know, it just seems like a lot of confusion so I mean he admitted to having a problem, right? he's bipolar and things like that, I mean I don't agree with a lot of stuff that he's saying or he's been doing in the public with Trump and things like that.

But I don't know his reasoning for it. Like you said, I didn't have a conversation. Last time I seen him was in Paris at Virgil's at the Louis Vuitton show. So I seen him, gave him a hug, told him I loved him. He turned around and said, I love you too. So I was just like, look, I'm proud of you, man. I'm proud of all of this. Look what we did and how it trickled down to even what Virgil's doing.

And that was it. That was the end of the conversation. You ever saw that, you ever saw that he would be in like this type of weird position where the hood love him, like we're going to still buy his sneakers, but we like kind of like confused on how to support somebody who supports a person. Yeah, I think a lot of people are confused. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Because he's putting out different messages. Right. So until it's something that's clear cut, it's going to stay are confused. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because he's putting out different messages. Right. So until it's something that's clear cut, it's going to stay like that. Right. Now, what was your take on the Super Bowl?

I mean, I wanted to watch history, to tell you the truth. Right. I'm not mad that New England won. You know, it was good to see history to be a part of history. No, what I meant by that was like the entertainment part

because a lot of... I didn't like it. The boycotting part? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You didn't like it. The boycotting part? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You didn't like it? Yeah. Who's that, Adam Levine?

Yeah. He had the mean Daytona Rolex on, though. I saw that. I was like, all right, cool. And the double chains. Oh, I didn't check people that far. Two chokers. Oh, okay.

All right, cool. He got to relax. He got to relax. Is that a culture vote? No, I don't know. And big boy, big boy. That was okay. Big boy, Sleepy Brown know. And Big Boy, Big Boy, that was okay. Big Boy, Sleepy Brown.

I wish we would have seen more of that. Like to give Big Boy that whatever minute clip. He should have might have had what Abba B was. Travis Scott have a minute clip, you know, of me missing.

I've got more time than that. Was it last year or the year before? I wanted to see more of that. And you don't get paid for the Super Bowl. I just found out. I didn't know that. No, you don't. You don't get paid for the Super Bowl. I just found out I didn't know that. No, you don't.

You don't get paid for the Super Bowl. They'll take care of you. I had no idea about that. Yeah, nope. They'll take care of you. What do you mean? NFL won't pay you?

Yeah, NFL won't pay you. But Pepsi probably does. No, you don't get paid for the actual halftime show. Pepsi? Yeah, no. This is facts. You know this 100%.

Yeah, yeah. One, yeah. We're going to check this and we're going to come back. Yeah, I mean, listen, now don't get me wrong, when you say Pepsi, that might be, but it's not from the Super Bowl. No, no, because Pepsi owns a halftime.

Yeah, but it's not. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think, I think they take care of your travel, your hair and makeup, your motherfucking style, your stage props, your tour bus, but you're giving you,

they're giving you a look. So they feel like, I mean, that's what, essentially, that's what, essentially, that's what I heard, that's why Jay turned it down was because, he didn't want to do it

because of Kaepernick. Jay don't do nothing for money. Right. Like that. Like if he wants to do it, he'll do it. If he didn't pay for it, but I've seen him turn down

a lot of shit for big amounts. That's great. Did you ever think, you ever think, you ever think Jay would be at this level? Because now again, you started off with the bottom,

bottom, bottom, bottom. No. I don't think it would last this long. Oh, wow. That's honest. That's honest like a motherfucker. I knew we would have

a good run back. Like a 10-year career, you know what I mean? Yeah, something 10. Was it a year? Because at the time, the average lifespan of... Five years, two years?

Three. Three albums, right? So it was three, you know what I mean? If you could last that long. I remember artists would get one single. Yeah. You wouldn't even get to your next single and you out of here. But in the last, when we talked to you before, didn't you say you were the one that didn't believe him originally?

Originally, no. Right. Yeah. I didn't particularly like Jay's music early on. Right, right. It was after the battle with DMX. Right. But yeah, I wouldn't have thought that he would have lasted 20-something years and still

be this relevant today. Like, doing verses like was free. Right, right. Yeah. Right. That's crazy. Shot time, Mr. Lee. Let's do some Tiger Bone.

Tiger Bone? Let's do some Tiger Bone. God damn it. It's about to get crazy. Yeah, man. So, in the beginning, you guys have Jay, right? You guys are all three partners.

What was the moment where you was like, wow, because everything was based on Jay at first as an artist. Yeah. And it's equal partnerships, sorry, it was equal partnerships with the artist, you and Day. What other artists? It was just me, Jay, Zay, and dame that's what i'm saying being he's the artist yes in the situation yeah equal partners what was the moment where you was like you know

what this as an entity is going to work reasonable doubt reasonable doubt wow the very first one yeah i mean you know we listening to the music you know how it is when you hear the album before anybody else that it hasn't hit the the world hasn't heard it but you know you sitting on this classic you know what I'm saying so you just can't wait

till this shit get out you know what I'm saying but you met the original Flavor J that's the artist you met originally the sound the original

yeah originally yeah but we were just friends right but I'm saying to make that album from that artist to this. Well, he has some songs already.

Okay. Like, Coming of Age was one of the oldest songs on the album. We got the ones, like three songs that clocked it. All the clock songs were old songs. I think he mentioned this before. Why they shot something like that? My fellow, like, what the fuck? That was pretty good. Oh yeah, that makes sense.

Holy shit. Yo, karma's a bitch. You're trying to murder me. Come on. Come on. This actually my shit. Salud. Salud.

Salud. I actually had this on the ride. Oh, shit. Ooh, that messed it up. I don't know why. I can't get used to Taika Ball. I can't go to Soho after this. You can't get used to it. I don't know why. I can't get used to Tiger Ball. I can't go to Soho House. I can't get used to it. I like Tiger Ball. I think it's a dangerous drinker, brother.

Yeah, he said that at Mad Comp. Word. You know who else is a very dangerous Faith? Oh, really? Faith Evans? Oh, yeah. Oh, she's dangerous. She was trying to drink us under the table.

I'm talking about, she did that recently. Oh, you was with her? Yeah. I'm talking about no cameras around. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's dangerous. She was trying to drink us under the table. I'm talking about, she did that recently.

Oh, you was with her? Yeah. I'm talking about, no cameras around. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about, no cameras around. Oh, really? Faith Evans? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, she's dang. She was trying to drink us under the table. I'm talking about, she did that recently. Oh, you was with her? Yeah. I'm talking about no cameras around. She's just drinking, drinking. I'm like, yo, come on.

She was drinking at the studio before this show. Like, she's, and she can lay vocals like that. Like, I can't lay vocals drunk. That shit is real. So, you come home from jail. People don't even, like, hear from hear from you for like six to eight months. No one really hears from you. People hearing you home, no one sees you.

You come out and you hit the scene. Everyone, because I got to reiterate, because I know I touched on it a little bit before, but the word was Dame Dash, when you was away, Dame Dash was going on radio stations. He was promoting. He was like, niggas ain't writing bigs and niggas ain't seeing bigs. You ever got the word that you felt like that?

Yeah, me and him spoke about it. And I told him, I said, look, I don't feel that way. So you telling the public that seems like it's coming from me. You know what I mean? So we had a conversation. I was like, I don't want people to think that because if I sign somebody, I don't sign them and say, look, if I ever go to jail, I need you to be there for me.

It's a business move. You know what I'm saying? So nobody owed me anything. We paid somebody to make an album, and that was it. Right? Right. So nobody owes me anything. No, no, no.

That's real shit. That's real shit. But that was the, so what was the first reaction to when people see you coming back into business? People see you coming back. The first time was when I had a 4th of November. Because, why would you cut you off? Because people don't really know who you with

they don't know if you with like Dan they don't know if you with Jay or they don't know but it's not I don't think

it's a with thing those are both my brothers that's what you're beautiful about so from then to now those are both

my brothers whether they do something I don't agree with them sometimes I don't agree with my family so it's still family we built something

together and we created history together nobody can take that away from us so if somebody's doing something that I don't agree with my family. Right. So it's still family. Right. We built something together and we created history together. Nobody could take that away from us. Right. So if somebody's doing something that I don't agree with, I'll probably just not, I won't be around that bad energy,

but it doesn't take away the love and what we built and started together. God damn it. That was so smooth. God damn it. God damn it. That was so smooth. Wake y'all up.

Wake y'all up. Wake y'all up. That's some real nigga shit, man. That's some real nigga shit, man. That's some real nigga shit. In this day of clickbait. Wait, wait, wait. Before you go there, I think you were talking about the clothing line.

Still first. Okay, yes. I wonder what's the inspiration behind the clothing line. Oh, the 4th of November, yes. Yeah, well, that was in existence already and I spoke to somebody who was doing it and I just came and was doing it and i

just came and financed it and became a partner wow so since then um i acquired the whole thing and then i have new partners now oh okay yeah so you dropped us a whole new season yeah and in november oh okay dope but back to what you're saying when people first seen me it was that and then it was at the kanye m's the square garden that was the first time I seen Jay right Kanye and um oh shit yeah a lot of people actually how was that like it was funny because the people always said yo what's gonna happen when you see him I said well everybody would probably laugh and that's what happened we all just started laughing before we said a word so we just laughed gave each other hugs and stuff you know we talked for a bit and then we end up

listening to Kanye's uh music and then I seen him coming out and he actually was like yeah i want to support you on the clothing line i heard what you was doing so he must have been paying attention yeah and then how about our redo 96 yeah redo which was rock 96 so that's a yeah no it was rock 96 i just changed it to redo but that's a luxury line okay and i use it as a special design unit just to collaborate on a luxury level and you got like Barney's and stuff like that yeah Barney's it was in Luis Villaroma in Italy and also revolve all right so how dope was it because I remember that pop-up shop that was like their first you although you said you got seen each other in MSG I don't think

that's a pitch is correct me Connie no this pictures that came out like are you and James no no I didn't take any pictures with sort of So the first picture we ever saw was at the pop-up. Yeah, the pop-up in L.A. So how did that feel, him just coming out of the support? Because he didn't have to. You're right. And then he hit me. He was like, yo, I'm in Mexico or something, but I'm flying in to come to the pop-up.

So he flew in, came, and then we, I don't know, it seemed like 100 bottles. We popped Ace of Spades. Right. And then we just had a good time, you know, just laughing. Pusha was there. Right. Just Ski.

You know what I mean? A lot of family, hip hop. You know what I mean? To see everybody together, that's what I wanted to do. You know what I'm saying? To bring that old family atmosphere back. Taking the whole,

this is me just not knowing, the Rockefeller symbolism. Is that the same thing? You're talking about the pop-up? Yeah. No, but the line. the the rock we do 96 you know so rock 96 was about that because we were celebrating the 20 years but it doesn't it's not going to be just about that aesthetic so I have reasonable doubt that's more of a merch line slash streetwear that speaks to more about what we created in the

beginning and on a business tip does that ever cause any friction with anybody that was partners with you at that time or is that free and clear for you to do what you need to do? Yeah, free and clear. Anybody can do whatever they want. Like any of your partners?

Yeah. Because you guys were all equal partners. And Armadale, is it true you came up with the mix or something like that? Yeah, I came up

with the name, the deal, and also the liquid. So I picked that out too. But you weren't a part of Rock Aware. Rock, everything. Oh. So Rock Aware, I used that, that was a marketing arm, so I just did it all across marketing

with the music and the company. What do you mean it was a marketing arm? Well we cross marketed everything, if you remember all the companies do you mean it was a marketing arm? Well, we cross-marketed everything. If you remember all the companies we had, it was all seamless. Yeah, because I worked the labels, besides I had to work all those brands. Exactly.

Right. So I'm going to ask this question because the fans would kill me if not. And everyone always is curious of this strong brotherhood. You got you, who have your own crew, came in with your own crew, you got you, who have your own crew, came in with your own crew. You got Dame, who has his own crew,

came in with his own crew. You got Jay, who has his own crew, came in with his own crew. And this big conglomerate. Everybody always, they speculate. What was the breakup? Or what was the actual thing? Like, if you look at these blogs,

they always say, well, this, like, you know, Star say this, and these people say they always say, well, Star say this and these people say this and the inquirers say this. Well, the thing about it, when we did that deal in 97, the company was always going to be sold. So people think it's a breakup, but it was being sold anyway. Like Def Jam, like how

Russell plays off. You're trying to build it up and sell it. Yeah, so just like they had a formula put in, they knew they were selling. The only reason they extended because we were selling so many records. So we was actually pushing the number that Def Jam was going to get up because we were selling so many records at the time with Rockefeller.

But yeah, we knew in 97 we were selling in 2002. The only thing is we did an extension for three more years. So that's why I went from 2002 to 2005. And I think with Oye Mekanto I think it was around 5 or 4. Yeah 4 yeah so that was the tail end of it the deal was up so you know so that's why Jay Def Jam and then we started DDMG he wasn't Rockefeller anymore he went you know everybody just went and did their own

thing but the theory is that it was Leo Combs, right? Mm-hmm. I think Leo gets that unfairly, but that's just me looking from the outside in. Yeah. That's a theory. The theory is

Leo Combs did something to break you guys up. That's one of the theories. There's 15 million theories, by the way, Biggs. Yeah, I didn't hear

the other. Yeah, no, I got it. I got it. 14 million, 999,000. I got to hear everything. I think't hear the other. Yeah, no, I got a million. 14,999,000. Yo, I got to hear everything. I think I heard it. So I'm going to make a better statement.

And the movie made it confusing too with Death of a Dynasty. Death of a Dynasty. Death of a Dynasty was one because when it came out, we actually had a meeting. We was like, yo, where's this stuff coming from? Because it was actually on the news saying that we were breaking up. Right. So Jay called me and was like, yo, y'all saying it? We like, yo, nah, you saying it?

So we laughing with each other because at the same time we were breaking up. So Jay called me and was like, yo, y'all saying it? We're like, yo, no, you saying it? So we're laughing with each other because at the same time we're making the movie, but none of us is knowing where it came from. So people don't know about those meetings and we're laughing about it. It's a bunch of theories. So you're saying that Leo Combs couldn't have been there? I'm not saying that he could or couldn't have.

I'm just saying that it wasn't the reason why Rockefeller dispersed because we sold the company in 2005. Then there's another crazy rumor that when Cameron became the president, this is like this is one of the illest

ones because... Well, he never became the president. Whoa. Dame said that he wanted to, but Cam asked for a certain amount of money that he never got and he turned it down. So it was supposed to be Cam Rock. And we didn't have Twitter back then, so once that information was out, things just thought Cam.

It was supposed to be Cam Rock and Beans. Yeah, yeah. I heard that story from you guys. I've never heard that in public. I heard Dame say that and I heard you say that. I never heard it in public, though. But you think that had people salty, even like state property or something like that? I wouldn't say that because Beans was about to be the president, too. The president of his?

Yeah, it was going to be two co-presidents. Oh, wow. That would have been crazy. And this is after you guys sold it already or not? No, we started. Okay. All right. Oof.

Jesus, man. You got rich history, man. I'm going to take a fucking shot of fucking tequila. We don't got no more tag a ball? We'll take a shot of Colombian white if you want. I'll take a shot of Colombian white. I'm in. Mr. Lee, can you play this for us?

I'm in. I'm not really in. This is EFN shit. No, but what is it, though? It's the process before rum. It's an aguardiente. He's like, what the fuck is that? Firewater. Listen, you want me to tell you a joke?

This is where Colombians, they sniff cocaine, and then they drink this, all right? Just throwing it out there. It's a Colombian culture. Before it becomes rum, what makes it become rum? The cane? Ah, this is how you know this is bad. I think it's the way they filter it.

Look, this is Tiger Boner. I go, I had to. You know this is bad. Yeah, no, he gave me the same shit. This is not good. This is not good. Yo, I don't know if you know, Biggs, but we celebrate our niggas.

We celebrate our people. We celebrate our champions, our CEOs. Salud, eye to eye, salud. Oh, that's... This is not good. That was not good. That's not that bad. It tastes like licorice.

Hey, hey, hey, don't talk bad about my liquor, man. How you know, how you know? How you know nothing about Taika Waititi? time home partner oh yeah I'm going into is crazy so off so right now Harlem is being like gentrified it's crazy like yeah you literally can you know go outside and there's someone jogging by, you know. It's definitely different. Like, how does that feel? I mean, you want your neighborhood to be better, but at the same time, you want the people from the community to have some ownership, which isn't happening.

So I think that's the mishap. A lot of times these communities get gentrified, but no one is saying, you know, this is what you can do to build a business, to own a business, or to do something to be a part of this long term, or to try to buy these units once they start turning into co-ops and condos. So that education process needs to be there. Because that's what gentrification is, we're driving the price up, right? Right. Which can be good for them if there's some ownership. Right. Yeah, because right now they're taking- Right now, where we're at right now in Little Haiti,

they're going through the same thing. Yeah, they're taking Little Haiti and they're taking Baby Puerto Rico. Baby Puerto Rico... Wynwood was Baby Puerto Rico. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was the hood back in the day. It was Baby Puerto Rico.

That's where we are right now, Little Haiti? This is Little Haiti, yeah. And Wynwood, which is... That's where we used to go to all the Zulu Nation jams. Yeah. And that, you couldn't even recognize that anymore. That shit is... The Village.

Wynwood, where? W is Village. Wynwood. Wynwood. Wynwood. Our district. You know, like the Village, like our Village. Okay. They changed that shit to the Village. But it used to be Baby Puerto Rico.

I don't know shit about that. Like Roberto Clemente. It used to be Roberto Clemente Park. I think they still got that. The park, but it's not what it used to be. The flag is not there. Yeah. Oh, they got a Puerto Rican restaurant, though.

Let me pick up my Puerto Rican restaurant. Basita. One Puerto Rican restaurant. So what? That used to be the Puerto Rican Asian of Miami. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're gonna put me the restaurant don't let me pick up my point. We get wrestling When I'm in LA I white. I don't eat, I don't eat anything. I see. I see. I'll be following you on the grid. I'm not going in there. Yeah, I'm going to throw it out there. I can only meet him in LA. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I'm like, where you at? Stonehouse, I'm at Nobu.

Yes. I'm like, everything is in Malibu. Yes, I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. You know, I'm kind of mad at the people who first brought me to LA because I felt like I missed like 18 years of my life.

You know, I've been going to LA for 20 years. Like, out of 17 years, this is the only year, like last year, I went to Malibu. And I was like, how did I miss shit from the yonder? And now I'm there all the time. I fucking love Malibu. Big up to the

fires and all that that happened, man. Not big up to it. We don't want to big up the fires. Big up to the firefighters. Big up to it. We don't want to big up the fires. That's not in the wrong. Big up to the firefighters. Big up to the firefighters. You know what was crazy? Well, damn, I wish Diego was here.

When we was in Malibu, there was some shit happening with the lights, and he was like, yo, we kind of predicted these fucking fires, but moving on. Wait, wait, you and Diego predicted the fires? Yeah, what else was there? What else was there?

What else was there? No, we kept seeing, there was something on the lights. Like, when it rained. Oh, you thought it would catch fire? Yeah. No, we kept seeing it was something on the lights like when it rained. Oh, you thought it would catch fire? Yeah. And you know

the crazy shit about Malibu they don't sell plastic. So they don't sell like... Well, they are blaming the power company. Yeah, well,

I believe I seen it. Yeah, I seen it. Blaming the power company. That's that old hood shit. I seen did it. I seen did it. I seen through that.

You salted it. Yeah, so what's your favorite, your favorite moments in hip hop right now? Right now? Yeah. I don't know if I have a favorite moment right now, but the most exciting thing for me right now is working with St. John, you know what I mean?

To be honest. Let's make some noise for my nigga St. John right here. We'll bring him up in like five, ten minutes. But that's dope. I see you passionate about that, though. Nah, seriously. Because, you know, it's been 15 years since I did anything in music.

And the last two albums I did was Kanye's first two albums, right? So, college dropout, late registration. So to step out the game that was his first two yeah wow so to step out the game all this time i said i would never ever be in music business again i remember you saying that and people asked me over and over you know i'm saying and manage do this come be a part, CEO, run this. I wasn't interested but something that

I was passionate just kind of drew me back in. Wow. And the music, the artistry and then building a relationship with him it showed me something different

and now seeing how good he really is, I'm like, the creative process is what I enjoy more than anything. Right. You know what I mean?

Being in a studio, me and you being in a studio all day. Yep. So I love to be in a studio with a producer pulling up a track, seeing the head movement, seeing the person

come up with the words, go in and actually create the music. And then, you know, especially when they hit records, to see that from scratch, that's one of the most memorable times.

Now you even went to Hot 97 with him. Yeah. Like I heard recently y'all went to Hot 97 too. Like that's deep. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you know. Yeah, I'm back, all the way back. Yeah. Like, I heard recently y'all went to High 97 too. Like, that's deep. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you don't... Yeah, I'm back all the way back. Yeah, that's hard. That's hard. I mean, I don't do nothing halfway if I do something I'm all in. That's hard.

That's why I take my time with shit, you know? That's hard. Can I get you to smoke a blunt? Nah. Not halfway. Just smoke it all the way. It's like a...

You on parole still or no? Nah, I'm on. Okay. Oh, let's make some noise and be on parole back there. For Nah, I'm on Okay, let's make some noise And be on parole Okay, do you remember When you was on the other probation You used to use me as a guinea pig He used to be like

Yo, Nori, come over, alright And he used to put like Fucking a pound of weed And ten cookies Like this doesn't match up, bigs This thing you can't put a 10. You can't make 10 cookies. Make 54, nigga.

What are you doing? He make 10 big cookies like this. Go ahead, dog. Yo, one time he drove home from his house. I swear to God, I was doing 20 miles per hour. I was way home. Like this. He was honking by.

I'm like, I can't go no further. This is it. Word. But, yo,'t go no further. This is it. Word, but, you know, so, life moves on. You come home. You start the clothing line. Things happen.

Then you get to see that your two brothers ain't talking, right? You get to see that one is on one side and one is on the other side. Me and Damien James. Yeah. What's the first thing you think of when that happens? I mean, I didn't think anything.

Last thing I seen was them together at Shaka's birthday. Shaka, Shaka, Shaka birthday. Yeah. And then after that. DTP Shaka, right? You talking about? No. Shaka that you started for me.

Shaka Pilgrim. So, I didn't see them after that. Yeah. They was a Jay show with Kevin Hart and everybody. So Jay, Dan took his daughter to the show.

So they weren't speaking. That's right. They just wasn't hanging together. Right. Just like us. I mean, we all speak,

but it just happens that now, you know what I mean, I spend a lot of time in L.A. I see Jay more, you know what I mean, because I'm with Tata a lot.

I'm with Henry all the time. You know what I mean? That's my next question. Yes. So that all allows, you know what I mean? Because I'm with Ty Ty a lot. I'm with Emory all the time. You know what I mean? That's my next question. Yeah, so that all allows, you know, that time allows us to spend time together. Right. But I seen them the other day, too. Oh, where?

Yeah, at a dinner for somebody at a birthday dinner. Okay, okay. So I see everybody. So how about Emory? Because Emory, for the most part, when Jay first came out, we only heard of him through songs. Yeah. Like a lot of people didn't. Like it was crazy because as much as I know all of y'all, me and Emory had just really met each other.

He's like, yo, damn, we just met each other. Like how dope was that for you to come home and see that he had a position in Puma and he was doing. Well, when Emory came home, I was here. So here so I actually picked Emery up oh get the fuck out I thought I thought no no I picked Emery up I would actually take him to work every day oh I didn't know that I thought I thought he came home then you came home yeah he came home okay I went in years later oh okay okay okay I'm bugging so he was like I only want you to pick me up, you know what I'm saying, when we spend time. But Emory, people don't know, is a real intricate part of Rockefeller.

He's there from the genesis. So Emory's DNA is just as much Rockefeller as anybody else. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Same way Tata, same way B-High, the same way Bleak. All right. You know what I'm saying? And Clark Kent and everybody else that helped us get to that point.

Emory, you know. So what was the story that made Emory famous? What was it? He was in Vegas and he lost... Oh, when he got his name Vegas, yeah. He was at the crap tables at the one that starts a G up. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah, we was out there. Well, there's a

couple things. I mean, from even in my lifetime, we shot the video, Emory bought the whole island out of champagne. So yeah We was out there Well there's a couple things I mean from even in my lifetime We shot the video Emory bought the whole island Out of champagne So yeah he bought Well you can't just say that You just can't You just can't just say that

He bought the whole island The whole island out of champagne I'm not gonna lie Please remember that story But when we went to London that day We bought the whole hotel Out of chicken and wine That's

It's a little Yeah big face It's a little something like that So he bought the whole island Out of chicken and wine. It's a little something like that. He brought the whole island out of the champagne. Yeah, that. And then in Vegas, you know, he went off and was at the gambling table and then went and bought a bunch of bottles and stuff and then made this little area all VIP. So nobody knew who he was.

We just had to fight sitting in front of Dr. Dre. This is before we had any music out. Right. So, you know, we did. And the security started asking, yo, can we let them in? We let them in. This is before we had any music out. Right. So, you know, we did, and the security started asking, yo, can we let them in? We let them in. He's all NBA players and shit.

We like, yeah, yeah, he good, he good. He good. Nobody knows. We bought so much champagne, they thought we was somebody. But that was all Emory. And Emory, on top of that, is the one who created all the lifestyle

at Roc Nation. So you see the paper plane hats, that's Emory. Right. Anything paper plane hats, that's Emory. Anything with Puma, that's Emory. So all those collaborations, Rihanna, Big Sean, Meek Mill, all that stuff goes to Emory. He's the one that's at the forefront of that and you know, you gotta kind of pass through that bridge.

How proud would you see that? I mean, I love that. That's my brother. Every time that he wins, I win. And vice versa. God damn it. And vice versa. God damn it. God damn it. Make some noise. Cut.

Cut. I'm not going to lie about to take a shot of wine. Because I can't do that. I'll go again. I'll go again. You're going to do it. Listen, I'll go with some rock. I'll go with some rock.

You want to go tequila with another shot? I just have. Yeah, I can have some of this. I got it. Straight tequila? You want to do a shot? You're going to do a shot. You want to do a shot? You want to do a shot, man.? I just have, yeah, I can have some of this. Straight Tequila, you want to do a shot? You got to do a shot. You want to do a shot?

You want to do a shot, man. This is for your birthday. My birthday. For your birthday. So everybody take a shot. Everybody take a shot. I'm not going to lie. One, two, three, four, five.

I'm not going to lie. Them Pias is- We need 20 shots. Them Pias, T-Rox, and C-Fu Yalla, right? Come here, D, I got something for that. The Pias? This is the first time we can- Oh, that's real. Can we see 20 people take shots on the piñas? Is this the first time we can, can we see 20 people

take shots on drink chance? It's the first time on drink chance everybody gonna take a shot. Well, Puff did some foul shit when he came up. Is that Cipollone or is that Cipollone? Is it real piña? Piña colada, Ciroc? I don't know.

I'm asking you, brother, how you don't know? You didn't charge us. Yeah, you picked it up. Jesus. Come on, man. Is this something, no, I'm from the white. Is this something in there? Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, cool, that's what I meant. Yeah, I want it up Is this something over the white is this something in there? Oh, yeah. All right cool. That's what I meant Yeah, I want someone kalata. Can you take a shot? Yeah, something everything that's like a baby

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If I tell her to come back. Somebody back here is like talking to her now, like all the time. They be like, you know what I mean? What's the white girl? The white girl? Kylie. Yeah. She just told me, yeah, she came to my house yesterday. She's like, yeah, we just went and we went and had drinks,

so I was like, yeah, she's like, I love you. Dior. They put me on to the Dior, Christian Dior Cafe. I didn't even know that nigga had a, like, you go shopping, and you go upstairs, and you get coffee and shit like that. Just like some fly shit out here. Yeah, Kylie told me, yeah, she just told me yesterday. When you coming out?

You not coming out this week? Ah, what, LA? No. For the Gramm week? Uh, what, L.A.? No. No, no, no. I'm going to miss that one. I'm going to do that. Really? Yeah, got to.

Because I got shit I feel good. And I got a couple of more things. But then after that, after All Star, I'm going to, I'm trying to get a month to month in your building. Oh, okay. All right. I was going to do the one barrel because I wanted to do the two duplex, but I was just like, you know what? No, just do the. All right, I was going to do the one barrel one because I wanted to do the two duplex, but I was just like, you know what?

No, just do the one. Yeah, I'm going to do the one, yeah. And it's just y'all two? Yeah, it's just us for now, yeah. Not with that? No, I'm going to pour tequila. Yeah, pour a shot of tequila, yeah. He traced it with a drink of tequila.

That's hard. That is hard. What is this? Is this some colada? Yeah. This is up my speed. Did you wash the glass out? No, it's okay. It's all right.

It's funny. It's all right. We do it your style. No problem. Okay. Yeah, can we figure everybody be out there? Oh, playing the Grammy? I'm going to skip that one.

I skipped Super Bowl. I wanted to... Oh, yeah. I got to see skipped Super Bowl. I want to do it. That's just, oh yeah, I got to see everybody. Yeah, I want to say something. I was like, yo, fuck that. I know what I'm gonna do when I go out there. So I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, fuck it.

Y'all know me. . Wait, you changed clothes and shit, though? Yes, I did. Wardrobe change. Wardrobe change. You ain't gonna give it up for the glasses? And you look, and you look.

Come on, man. Come on, come on. Wardrobe change and I ain't even move, my lady. You know what I'm saying? But wait. What happened to the shot? Oh, let's go, let's go. Everybody, everybody. It's my birthday on Dream Chips.

That's right. It's your birthday on Dream Chips. Salud. Salud. Salud. Yeah, come on. Salud. Salud.

Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Salud. Everybody here? Yeah, come on! Cheers! That's right. Don't put us in that line. What is it with it?

That's strong. Because one year, when Oye Mi Canto came out, we had a rock and fella show. Just to give a little, we had the biggest reggaeton song. Before reggaeton. We still win. for the show just to give a little we had the biggest reggae tone song so we still we still yeah it's like it had guns yeah i know that you're trying to take it so that's what we yeah yeah yeah well we had it first and it was funny because one night uh uh we went there's a porter he's part of the parade and there was uh i think it was Rock La Familia had a club.

So I think Hector Bombino, you guys had Hector Father, you guys had True Life, you guys had me. And it was crazy. I remember you, I think it was just you and Jay. And I was at the bar and you just drank tequila all night. And I looked at these niggas and they wouldn't sweat. I was so mad. I was so mad. I was so mad. You were jealous.

You were jealous. I was jealous. I can use that word. I was jealous. I was like, damn, you know, after two shots, it's like shit

that come down my shit right here. Then your underarms start acting up. You know, but y'all niggas wouldn't sweat. Like, what the fuck?

What kind of training did you, what kind of drinking training did y'all go through? You guys don't sweat. What the fuck? Even right now, you're not sweating. I had to take off my shit. I'm too cool, fam.

Goddamn. Now, say, listen, for the people that don't know about you, you're like, In the records I heard You're like Future Lauren Hill And like Bob Dylan

Wow Damn Nigga Write that shit Put that shit on the shirt Did I fuck you up? You guys want the shirts to say the name You're not fucking shit

Bob Dylan's Lauren Hill No I'll be honest because Put that shit on the shirt. Did I fuck you up? You guys wear shirts that say the name of that. Did I fuck you up? That was long as hell. No, I'll be honest because like your style is so unique. Like it's so like like that the one thing

that I hate about this young generation is I can always identify when a person is. Right? I always say alright that's him. That's him.

The thing about you is you can you're so versatile that you can you can be any Anything ever like like I heard records from you I was like that's the same guy like it would be so laughing and one would be right to the corner one reason It's like I've never like I know why he's you know I'm saying like, you know

Because it's but hi like first of where you from from Brooklyn Like somewhere that we Know he's new he Oh damn, you a murderer. Why are you a murderer? You a murderer? I need a killer to cover this up. Everybody from the East, listen, when I was in jail, everybody from East New York, you actually knew East New York? They're like, yeah, you got a body right there. How you know?

I'm like, all right. Everybody had them. But East New York, so, okay, talk about your upbringings and like how you developed that. And your inspirations too, based on what he's saying how you developed that. And your inspirations, too. Based on what he's saying, I need to hear what your inspirations are. Well, I grew up bouncing between Brooklyn, East New York, and Guyana, Georgetown, Guyana. So that's in South America.

Yeah. Whoa. So I'm West Indian because Guyana is West Indian, although it's in South America. They speak Patuani and Guyana. Right, right, right. And Spanish. You know what? I ain't running into that part,

but that sounds good. No, yeah, no. Do they? Yeah. In parts of Guyana, yeah. I thought Guyana was in Africa. No, no, no. You're thinking Ghana.

Ghana. Okay, yeah, thank you. I mean, it's South America, right? So it's Spanish speaking or Portuguese in different regions. But we spoke English. We spoke Patois and it's French Guyana.

It's a geography lesson now, right? Right, wow. Soatois, and it's French Guyana. It's a geography lesson now. So I grew up bouncing between Brooklyn and Guyana. So my influences, just to answer your question, I grew up, when I was in New York, I was listening to it was Rockefeller. I was listening to Jay. I was listening to Bleak. I was listening to... In Guyana.

Yeah, well, I took some of it back with me, right? Because, you know, you get to take things back with you. But when I was there, growing up, for real, in Guyana, I was listening to Beanie Man and Sprague Benz and Buju Bonta

and Sizzler. So the Caribbean influence is heavy. It's heavy. You can't escape it. That's normal. Just like it was doctrine to listen to Jay in New York. That was gospel.

You just, that's what you had to do. The ego was Buju to Jay in the Caribbean. Who the nigga that just came home? Buju. Oh yeah, Buju. That deserves a round of applause.

Yeah, that deserves a round of applause. You can get Buju on a big chance. Also, shout out to Sizzler because you know he was signed to Rockefeller too. That's right. I didn't know that.

Sizzler's on my album, by the way. Yo, by the way, Sizzler is on the record with you. He is? You were in the banner. He's on my album, by the way. Yo, by the way. It says it's on the record with you. It is? I'm on the record. You and me abandoned. OK.

It's on my album. Well, I was hanging out with Khaled the other day. And he played me a Sizzler. No, my bottle, Sizzler, and Boojoo's record. I knew he went to Jamaica. I knew he immediately got with Boojoo. I'm not going to lie to you. And you know, like, reggae music is like my third or fourth favorite. I don't going to lie to you. And you know, like,

reggae music is like my third or fourth favorite. I don't want to sit here and like, you know. I'm a Shabba Ranks nigga. I'm a Shabba Ranks nigga. Like, I'm old school. I'm a Shabba Ranks. That's right.

What's the other nigga? Light skin nigga like Special Ed. Who you talking about? Super Cat. Super Cat. I'm like that. So, but I ain't been in

like reggae like that, like that. Yo, stop it, my man. What? I ain't been in the reggae like that. Yo, stop it, my man. What? I ain't gonna lie. He was tapping your shoulder for a long time. I ain't gonna say nothing. What's going on over here? But with Khaled playing me this shit,

I was like, wow. He got some shit. The thing about DJ Khaled, man, I want to wow they got some shit don't think about The thing about DJ Khaled man. I want to give it did you guys talk about him coming on drink channel? You know what I didn't bring it up because I'm too classy Classy yeah, because that's too funny. He brought it up. He was like yeah This is when I would do it. I was like the conspiracy that you've been coming up with No, I think it's like a conspiracy that you've been coming up with nothing is still a conspiracy conspiracy I got no we got no The FM is a great guy What you know, yeah certain part of

I've seen a in an occasion or two. Adanasana. Listen, you remember Adanasana? This was a Marvel cup. Yes, I remember that time. Alright, alright, alright. It's a Marvel cup called Adanasana. Speak to the point. Okay, so my theory is at some point,

you know, EFN used to be out here working the street team, doing what we got to do. Me and Cal came up around the same time. And he did something. No, I didn't do anything. Look, this is the hater train.

They don't want me to finish the story. But they did something. And I'm not sure if Cal is against EFN yet. I'm not sure. Nah, man. I'm not sure if Khaled gives EFN yet. I'm not sure. Nah, man. I'm not sure. So Khaled never did the show?

Nah. And we're all home team. He should be on the show. He should have been on the show back when we started the show. I 1 million percent hope my theory is incorrect. Nah, I think it's incorrect. We've seen each other many times. Yeah, I'm bugging.

I'm fucking with you you to be honest with you but a part of me That's not doing drink shit is to, sir. I'm ready. This might be real. No, I mean, it could be real. You don't want to confess? No, none to confess. He knows that I mean, it's real.

One million percent they got love for each other, bro. Him, DJ Yves. This is an actual cover. Yeah, there's a magazine cover. You, DJ Irie, and DJ Kyle. I'm on my way to LA today. All right. So,

a part of, it's just a piece of me that feels like, there's a piece of me that feels like, you know, I don't know. He's not fucking with you. I mean,

it's fine. I won't be on the show that day. No, no, no. But I could be wrong because he... I think you're wrong. Listen, the thing about it is this. I've been to his crib twice. I'm too...

I will not ask you for anything in your house. I kid you not. Other than where's the bathroom. I'm just... I'm that type of nigga. Even if my next door neighbor invites me to a party and I see the party going on if that person doesn't reiterate yo you know you gotta come to the party I don't never want to be the intruder guy like I was an intruder one time in my life and

I didn't like it so I don't intrude at all you You know what I'm saying? So when I'm at, when I, you know, two times I'm at his spot, I don't bring up drink champs at all. You know what I mean? I just, I just be like, yo, I got,

you know, because one time I came on the boat. Huh? I do. You did what? You did. That's it.

That's it. That's what you're supposed to do. But remember, Mr. Levy, one time he came on the boat with Mr. Childs. I brought him all the liquor In the world

And he's like Yo I got it all In my crib And he's like You can't really violate You can't really be like Yo my nigga I got my own food

Like you look like A fucking safari hunter You know what I'm saying So I had to leave it all But he brung it up And I think he will Eventually do it I think he's going to do it.

I think that the conspiracy is wrong. Yeah. Ultimately, at the end of the day, we came up together in Miami, and I'm hella proud because I'm proud of the home team. Anybody from the home team that wins, I'm winning as well. That's right. And Khaled has gone beyond anybody's expectations. Right.

And I'm proud of that, and that's why I want to showcase him to represent my side of the Dream Champs, Miami. That's right, I respect that, goddamn it. Make some noise. Now, what kind of pressure do you face, because literally, this is the man who probably put on one of the greatest people on Earth, especially as the MC.

Is that pressure, or is that something that, you know, it makes you want to say, you know what, I'm going to go on the motherfucking wake up in the morning, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, how do you feel about that? I don't think about it. Wow. I don't think about it. You know, it's funny because

right, we're friends, right? So he has this tremendous legacy and he's done these impossible things. I'm thinking about what I'm trying to do. Right. Right? I'm thinking, you know, where I came from and where I want to go next.

So when I wake up in the morning, I'm like, okay, what's the roadmap to get there? So I don't feel any pressure outside of, can I buy my mom the Chanel wallet that I just bought for myself, you know what I'm saying what's the next 10 years gonna look like for me I don't think

of the pressure it doesn't feel that way cause I'm hungry I just want it I just want it I forget right I'm sitting in the corner and I'm hearing the story

I'm like oh this nigga did what right but I know that but that's not what I'm waking up thinking that's not the urgency it's just two niggas

moving around we got a whole other plan and we want to do something alright god damn it that was hard that was hard that was hard

now now now who was your inspirations like besides Ajay or something like that like who was somebody you look at

as a new generation rather forget your inspiration of somebody new more your peers that you that you fuck with Like besides a J or something like that. Like who is somebody you look at as a new generation rather? Forget your inspiration. More your peers that you look to. That you fuck with. I mean, you got to respect Drake. Drake, okay.

But there's different tiers. I remember when I grew up watching Rockefeller, I respected the business model. I was a kid. I was just like a broke kid in East New York, like a bummy barefoot kid from Guyana just trying to make something. And I was like, whoa, there's a path here. There's something that you could do. There's something to be executed here that makes sense. So, there's inspiration musically, and there's inspiration business

wise. Wow. Right. And you come from harsh circumstances, and you try to make a road map out. So, I was looking at business. Wow. And were you born here? Yeah, I was born here. Okay. How did the 21 Savage thing affect you?

It rubbed me the wrong way. Because I'm a first generation American, but I grew up bouncing between countries. You could have easily been born here. You could identify with it. Yeah, my mom scraped to make sure we were born here just to be on this soil because that meant something. That meant they couldn't send us back nowhere. And they're trying to change that law now too of course even if you're born here yeah that parents bring a kid like give birth here they're trying to change that law what word yeah that's

crazy it's like they're calling it anchor babies i think i think that's wild i heard that but i didn't know that's what that meant yeah yeah anchor baby which i mean in some realities people do come here to give birth here Because they want A better life For their children They're trying to Change those laws Wow

I'm sure a bunch of our parents Did the same thing Yeah I mean just to get here Just to scrape Yeah I'm first generation American Right Right

So when I saw The 21 Savage thing I'm like this guy He was just building His life here He's going to be Ripped from his kids He got three kids

I didn't even know that Right I met him a couple times. I didn't even know that. I met him a couple times, but I didn't know his entire situation. He got no UK accent. Nah. He's in Atlanta. He was born, actually. I'm confused because I know he's Caribbean.

He was born in London? But I think the UK owns Dominica. No, I don't think so. I'm trying to look that up because I was thinking it's a common. No, I don't think so. I'm trying to look that up because I was thinking it's a commonwealth, but I don't think it is. Just double check that because I think if you're born in the British Virgin Islands, they say that you're probably in the UK. Those aren't British territories. Dominica or St. Lucia, which is where it's from. But isn't UK British? Excuse me?

Isn't the UK, that's part of Britain? Yeah, UK is the United Kingdom. But he's saying Dominica and St. Lucia isn't a part of that. That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. St. Martin is, right? Yeah, they are. Right, right, right, right.

I think Dominica is. I was looking at it. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. My man's 6'7". That's where he's at. He's in Dominica. Well, it might be because he's from there, from that country.

Well, he was born in Dominica. That has nothing to do with the UK. Yeah, definitely. We're going down a rabbit hole right now. No, no, no, no. We investigate. because he's from there from that well he was born in the minute that he has nothing to do with the UK yeah we investigate we investigate Tori but we gotta figure it out yeah we gotta figure it out well goddamn it but yeah you know they're saying real quick the conspiracy behind that is it supposedly came out with a record yeah it was touching on immigration yep touching on other social issues and then all of a sudden now he's a target of immigration. And then the day before that he did an Instagram live where he was actually saying snitches is like some crazy shit.

And not only that, you're hanging out with, because God bless me, God bless everybody around me, but you building this jail reform shit, you got to be squeaky fucking clean. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because you're trying to say that all these, this billion dollar business should be, you know to be squeaky fucking clean. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because you're trying to say that all these, this billion dollar business should be,

you know what I'm saying, reversed, and people are going to target you for that. You understand what I'm saying? So, and then, you know,

21, the last three times I saw Bleak, they was together, 21 and him. I think he can meet him. Excuse me, meet, I'm so sorry.

I'm a rock and roll fan. Trump facts. Yeah, I'm so sorry. I'm out of the rock and roll. Jump facts. Yeah, yeah. I'm a rock and roll. I'm a rock and roll. So how did you feel being at that dinner, man? That was wild. That was wild.

Yeah, that was wild. It's wild, right? Because when I look at the picture, I'm like, nigga, that happened? That's crazy. Right, right, right, right. Right? Because this nigga's out of his mind. He's like, yo, just pull up.

We just doing this. Oh, let me just say you something about Biggs. Nothing is to him. Like, he, yo, listen, my dude. Like, fucking, whoever can walk in the room, Biggs be like, what up? What the fuck? Wait, so you got to know that about this nigga.

I learned fast. We were doing, we went and did something for BT real quick, right? So I know this nigga's out of his mind. They said, I remember, I was just in the room. He's just talking on camera. They said, if you can go back in the past and you could do anything or you could change anything or something

like that, right? Don't make me contorted. He said, they were like, what would you do? He said, I would go back. I would sign St. John earlier and make Rockefeller a bigger dynasty. I was like, nigga, I left the room. I'm this nigga crazy. That's a marketing genius right there, man.

I really think he's going to be the biggest brand as a male since Kanye. As a brand. Musically, I think he's going to cut the edge and then do something that people haven't seen before. And we got it on Dream Chats right now. I'm going to be honest. I honestly believe that. That's not something, like my legacy is on the line. I believe you Dream Chats right now. I'm going to be honest. I honestly believe that.

That's not something, like my legacy is on the line. I believe you, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I put that shit on the line to come back into music. I could have did this with a lot of people, bigger artists, you know what I'm saying, that was already selling a lot of records, but I chose to do it with him for a reason. I'm telling you, before I ever even met you, I had a

conversation with him and that's what he said. He's like, that's probably the only person I'll come back to the music business for. I was like, wow. So they'd be curious. I played the album for Nori. I don't even know if we met yet, me and Saint. And I played with him, he was going to Malibu.

So it was purely off the music first? Yeah, purely off the music. So when you met him, it solidified. No, no, we just became friends and then he played, he has an album out now called Collection One. Right. I didn't know there was a whole album. Yeah, that's an album that's been out in March.

Okay, I thought it was an EP. So we met and we talked for like three hours and he said, come to the studio, listen to his new project. I was like, oh shit, he did it twice. Because I was definitely convinced, but I was like, I don't know if he could do it again. Right. And I heard the new project, I was like, I don't know if he could do it again. Right. And I heard the new project.

I was like, this dude is ill. Because the new album jinxed. Like, everybody's first album is dope. And then for two months, we just was friends. You know what I mean?

Just hanging out, going out, eating, chilling, bringing people to the studio, listening. First of all, I don't even go to the studio.

Right. So, you know what I mean? I started bringing other people to listen to the music. And then I wanted to see if I was bugging. So I was like, let me see if everybody just feel people to listen to the music. And then I wanted to see if I was bugging. So I was like, let me see if everybody else feel the same way that I feel. And everybody was like, yo, this shit is crazy.

I think, like, two days ago I was at, three days ago I was playing some songs for Jay. So I told him, I said, look, man, if I knew Michael Jordan and I'm playing ball, I'm going to say, yo, is my form correct? I'm going to go to the best. I'm like, nigga, I got this album. I need you to see what's up. So I played him some songs that he doing on the album. Some like 15 and Jay was like, yo, this is incredible. He said, you ain't played not one back song.

He said, every song you play was incredible. Right. Now is that pressure on you or is that like, fuck it. I'm supposed to be like this. At this point, this is what I signed up for I said I said this is what I wanted Right

It's funny You make the Michael Jordan reference I wake up every day And I tell the people around me I want to be Jordan Right So if I gotta be Jordan

Then y'all gotta be the 96 Bulls Right So the only pressure Is the pressure I give myself Because there's nothing To go back to There's nowhere to fall I'll tell you something That was a funny story. I can't tell you the players name because I'm

Gotta protect them But I remember one of the players they take draft to the Patriots. They go to the Patriots my homeboy and He called me like 2 30 in the morning. It's like yo Tom pretty made me go to practice right now. I'm like, what? He's like, yo, I'm not used to this. But that's the type of shit that to be a champion, the dude Tom Brady was like, yo, 2.30 in the morning,

called niggas and said, yo, let's go to practice. Who's going to tell Tom Brady no? Right, facts. Who's going to be like, nah right facts who's going to be like nah I don't want to practice fam I'm drunk like whatever you at come and pull up and that's what it takes to fucking be great it's just

you just got to just do every fucking thing and yo you on the path my brother you got a great team behind you another famous story I used to remember I remember I used to smoke haze and babies that hate that smoke haze like you stop smoking You got a great team behind you. One, another famous story I used to remember, I remember I used to smoke Haze, and Biggs used to hate that I smoked Haze. Like, you stop smoking Haze.

Look at Lee Fitch. Look at Lee Fitch. Yo, he's the Haze man right there. Yo, in fact, I take another shot on that. I take another shot on that. He like, cut, cut. Yeah. And yo, I remember, I remember,

I remember Biggs used to like... No, no, no. Tell me why. Because I would smoke, but I wouldn't search for the best of the best. I would be like, if it's B, I'm good. I ain't even want B+. I'm good.

And most of us was like that in New York. This motherfucker, he had a weed called heroin. I had no idea what it was. First of all, I thought it was heroin that in New York. This motherfucker, he had a weed called heroin. I had no idea what it was. First of all, I thought I was doing heroin, by the way. Heroin? Heroin, let's go heroin.

It was the best weed I've ever smoked. Yeah, of course, heroin. But we went to Amsterdam. It was crazy. So, we doing Rock 96. Your position redoing Rock 96, your position with everything you've been through.

And people look sometimes, and I, you know, like, none of that I hate to bring it up, it's just, you know, people will ask. When people see you and Jay so strong together,

one of the things is why are you, Jay, and Dame is not all together? I know people always say that, and it's funny because it's not like if I go to his house, I got to say, yo, Dame, I'm going to Jay's house. You got to show up so we can take this picture. Right, right, right. This just happened. That's social media.

No one thinks that though, by the way. No one thinks Instagram is super constructive. But you know what I don't think? Some people really construct their Instagram like that. They think that their Instagram like that. They think that their life is that chronological order. Like someone told me the other day, and we're going to get right back to this. Someone told me the other day, yo, I picked you up, and you ain't even like the picture.

I said, nigga, I ain't see no shit. Like it's no conspiracy. Yo, I guess people in my DMs say I hit up Darby. I said, that's not a question for me. You better hit him again. Like, I don't see certain shit. So go to that. Like, early on,

you talked about all the crews coming together, Brooklyn, Holland, and everybody. Out of that, me and Tata probably hung out more than any of us. Wow. So back then, even though Jay and Tata, you know, everybody knows the story.

They grew up together. But it was me and Tata almost every day together. Every day. Now, ain't no pictures there. So what, they going to say, yo, why Dame and Jay ain't in this picture? Because me and Tata hanging out. Just certain people click up.

And that's just how it is. Doesn't mean you don't have love for somebody else or something like that. Right. Even if two people are getting along or not. It's just, you know, right now, that's just, you know what I mean, where I hang out most. Right. Right, right, alright, so, again, this is something that's on the internet, Choke No Joke, I don't know, of course you know him, Choke Little Joke accused, what did he say?

So little guy. Oh, he's... Choke Little Joke's a liar. Let's just put it... Oh. Yeah, before you even go on a story, that guy is a liar. He make up a lot of shit. Okay.

Yeah. So it don't matter what the story is. It's probably a whole bunch of spin on the truth. Okay, cool. Cool. We'll leave it at that then. We'll leave it at that. All right, you got something?

Because I've got to take a pee-pee. Are we really taking this shot? Oh, I'm in. Oh, shit, I totally forgot. I totally forgot. I'm having fun, man. Let me just say something. Take pictures?

Let me just say something. Biggs, I just want to be honest with everybody, everybody. Biggs is one of the most genuine people I ever met. I feel like you should be praised. I feel like you should be praised. I feel like you should, I feel like, and that's the good thing about you is you don't even give a fuck.

Like, you don't give a fuck about having props. And that shit is just amazing to me because, and you said something earlier, you said, yo, I'd rather celebrate other people's birthdays. That's exactly how I was, why Biggs don't got a shot? Yeah, what's going on, Mr. Lee? Niggas think, why he don't got a shot? Yeah, what's going on, Mr. Lee? Niggas think I'm off. Why he don't got a shot?

Come on, man. Yeah, he making a speech. I'm making a speech. He got to connect. He like the Deleon, god damn it. Yeah, Mr. Lee. You know, and I just feel like... Shout out to Puff.

Yeah, shout out to Puff, man. Put me on the Deleon and yeah. Shout out to Revolt TV. On my birthday. On my birthday, this became my favorite tequila. Okay, all right. All right. That's what you trying to do? I know, you fill me up. Listen, I ain't backing down. TV. On my birthday. This became my favorite tequila. That's what you're trying to do?

You fill me up. Listen, I ain't backing down. Pause. On the summer. On the summer. On the summer. So this is to you, Biggs. Thank you.

Salute, family. St. John is a motherfucking building and great hands. We respect you. That being said. So what's the plan from here? Are we signing St. John to Roc Nation? Are we signing him to a title? I've seen pictures with you in L.A. Reid.

Is that a thing or no They got options man Yeah I mean He signed right now He's got a label L.A. Reid Okay What label is he

What is that Hipco What Hipco Hipco Okay Cause he up out of the Y'all gotta be

So he at Hipco right now Is that So what's the next plan? Is that the album? We scale it. Collection 1 came out last year in 2018. Do it again. Do it bigger.

Go back on tour. I did two tours last year. Did two sold out tours. I've been seeing that. On a project that you wouldn't have heard unless you were riding a Malibu in a sexy car, right? Right, right, right right that's the word like two world tours

gonna go back and do that again but this time on a bigger level more silk more leather few more blondes you know

and it's not about being signed to somebody else it's about God Complex so that's the company that's being created right now that everything have run through

okay and that be your label yeah controlling yourself yeah it's the company that's being created right now that everything will run through. Okay. And that'll be your label? Yeah. Our label, yeah. Controlling yourself. Yeah, that's the idea. It's the same model. It's the same model we saw before.

Right. You know, with new information. Right. It's like, not to say that I don't want to put it there, but I got to watch it. I got to watch Rockefeller in 2005, 6, 7. Now I got the inner work. Yeah, you got the mind.

You got the mind. The G-code. Give me the whole book. No, no, no. Now I got the inner work. Yeah, you got the mind. You got the mind. The cheat code. Give me the whole book. No, no, no. I'm going to

be honest. And this, I'm going to say this is not to big you up, but this is to

big you up. The cheat code starts with Chico music. The music speaks for itself.

Everything else, that's the problem with artists. Most artists have the music and don't have

nothing else out there. And the attitude. You know what I'm saying? And the thing is, you got the music and then you got the person.

So the thing about it is, if you don't go to where you're at, it's purely your fault. I'm just throwing it out there. Because that means you didn't work hard enough. That means you missed the morning show. That means you went to the tunnel. I know I'm an old nigga. I know the tunnel's not old. That means you went to Club Live and then you forgot that you got to wake tunnel. I know I'm an old nigga. I know the tunnel's not open. That means you went to Club Live

and then you forgot that you got to wake up in the morning and go see motherfucking y'all got a mean and y'all got a mean in the morning. And that's the thing is fall in love with the work and never the money

and this shit will always follow you, my dude. You know what I'm saying? See, I like that. Fuck the money. The money will come once you love the work. You know what I'm saying?

I believe in that. Yeah. I believe in that. I don't believe in chasing it back. I don't think you have to. I think you... Yeah, the bad will come Once you love the work You know what I'm saying I always believe in that Yeah I believe in that I don't believe in chasing it back I don't think you have to I think you Yeah the bad will come That'll come That's automatic

When you find You hit your stride Things just sort of come Like we This morning I was This morning I was in Jamaica I spent the last 10 days in Jamaica Not on vacation

Although I You know It looked good I'll do too much Jamaica Queens Okay Nah nah nah Okay okay I spent the last 10 days I was working on music in Jamaica Like I'm in the studio Although, you know, it looked good. I'll do two more Jamaica Queens. Okay. No, no, no. Two more.

Okay, okay. I was working the last 10 days. I was working on music in Jamaica. Like, I'm in the studio like 14 hours a day. No exaggeration, right? So, I get out the studio this morning at like 6 a.m. or 7 a.m. I hop on a plane. We get here.

We hop off a plane. We're here. Right. All I know is work. After Lobster Rose. After Lobster Rose. We did that one. South African.

South African Lobster Tales. Not Lobster Rose. We did that one. South African. South African Lobster Tails. Not Lobster Rose. We had Lobster Tails. By the way, we was in Kyla's crib. Me, Lenny S, and DJ Kyla, and we was talking

about your Instagram. I said, how that nigga's in shape like that? And you eat all this fat outfit. Aren't you vegan? You vegan, right?

No. You just talking about something about being kind of vegan, no? Well, I ate a vegan plate. Right. I had some chicken and waffles. Oh, yeah, vegan chicken and waffles.

Yeah, I did see that. I did see that. Which was amazing. But didn't you be saying, I didn't eat this part? I said, that's the part that Colin and Lenny asked them to eat. Yeah, because that's what they eat. Yeah, I mean, like, yo, they eat it. I I go there. You gotta watch the whole food blog. Yeah. Yeah I don't eat I told you I need it. They just watch not big feed all that foul shit. Yo Lenny stop eating the desserts Well callous night eating the dessert call it is all on. Shout out to Collet. Right or wrong? Absolutely. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.

Let me tell you something. Weight watchers can work. Weight watchers can work. They can work. But you got to be, you got to have a little bit of money because the crazy shit was.

The chef, the cook? No, I'm talking about because they already cooked it. So every time, you know, he goes and grabs something, there's a person that comes up to him and says, crazy shit was... The chef? No, I'm talking about... Because they already cooked it. So, every time he goes and grabs something, there's a person that comes up to him and says that's such and such amount of calories. Nah, get the fuck out of here. Alright, it was amazing to me.

You got a human calorie counter? Yeah, it was amazing to me. I'm not into it. It was amazing to me. I'm just telling you, that's some fly shit Like I'm just telling you That's some fly shit Like he was sitting there And the person was like Look you can have this

But if you have this You can't have that But if you want to drink a wine You can have a drink of wine But that drink of wine Is going to take away from That piece of Is that the

The Weight Watchers program? It's the Weight Watchers program It's a calorie based program It's fucking amazing Yeah so it's amazing But listen I'm going to be honest with you I don't have money Like DJ Khaled It's a Calorie Big program. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, so it's amazing. But listen, I'm going to be honest with you.

I don't have money like DJ Khaled, so me being on that shit, I would fail. I think if you were on that shit, you'd say, shut the fuck up, Calorie Calorie. No, no, no, no.

I would love a Calorie Calorie. No, he lost Madway. I would love a Calorie Calorie. It was like four or five years ago and you was like, yo, bitch, I ain't going to lie, I'm on my shit. I'm doing this. He lost Mad weight I would love A calorie count It was like Four or five years ago And you was like Yo bitch I ain't gonna lie I'm on my shit

I'm doing this I'm working out He lost mad weight Yeah yeah No but you You was in jail I was I was three

I was almost three I can show you The pictures right now It was even right before The after When you was doing That whole thing Yeah I was

Yeah yeah yeah Shit ain't the same Well at least I got it down 300 Your wife is a calorie counter No No She was Not like Shit ain't the same. Well, at least I got it down 300. Your wife is a calorie counter. No, no. See, Weight Watchers is different.

See, the thing about it is... No, that's not Weight Watchers. No, it is. Weight Watchers for calories. No, no. Weight Watchers, period. You can actually cheat. That's why you can have pizza.

Like, you ever seen Oprah promoting that shit? And Oprah would have pizza and shit like that. You're not talking to real fat people, man. Get out of here. No, I'm just telling you the truth. I'm telling you the truth. He lost like 20, 30 pounds.

It sent certain plates, but it tells you what to eat. I'm like, how are you eating dessert and all this shit? He was like, trust me, that's what they do. I know it's a calorie counting thing. Let's suppose you're allowed a certain amount of calories, right? 2,000 a day, let's say. I would say 1,500, right? That's where my mom was at, right?

So let's say you have that little pizza. That pizza might be worth 700 calories, right? Right. So now you take that 700 calories. Now you have, what did we say, 1,500? So now you have 750 left. 800. Oh, 800 left to go.

So you just work around that, and as long as you stay there, then your shit drops. Yeah, but nobody has... And you got to drink water. The guy that's behind your shoulder going, nope, you got to drink water. That's what I'm trying to say.

That's 1,500? That's 200? That's my point. My point is you got to have that bread. And you want somebody you respect, too. You don't want somebody you don't respect saying, hey, put that cheesecake down. Like, shut the fuck up. Make them now. Definitely eat the cheesecake. You want somebody you... You. You don't want somebody you don't respect saying, hey, put that cheesecake down. Like, shut the fuck up. Make him now

definitely eat the cheesecake. You want somebody you respect. So he got a couple of dudes that like... What? We got some brawling dudes? They look honorable to me. You know what I'm saying? They was just like, yo, you know, you tied that chicken. They're going, what was that? Nah,

but they was like, you know, let them know. Because that's the one thing for sure, two things for certain. Nothing's worse than trying to do something and not accomplishing that goal. You know what I'm saying? So if you set out to do something, and that's one thing, I guess, he's focused. He was serious. The last couple of times I've seen him, I got him a drink. I did not get him a drink this time.

I don't think he's a big drinker, to be honest. He's never been a big drinker. He's Sifu Yalom and Sirak and Bel Air. He is getting them cold. And I told them, I told the people, he don't have to drink. He don't have to drink. I think that's what he's scared of too.

I think he thinks he's going to get here and he's going to have a shot of Tiger Bone. He's going to start talking about Yeah, we don't mind when people drink. We'll get fucked up for you. Joe Buttes was here, didn't drink. Uh... What's the 5-9?

What's the 5-9? Fat Joe, the first episode? I didn't drink. Did not drink. You didn't drink the first time? Luke? Luke didn't... Luke did drink.

I think he drank a little bit. He didn't smoke. I don't think people don't smoke. Because high school. We all smoke. True life. We didn't smoke in front of true life neither these are right come on come in here you know I'm saying

I just get down when you come here they should be really to be scared to come here who else said they were scared uh joelle santana a lot of artists started getting scared to come here i seen joelle she's like yo i gotta prep

for this shit i said nigga you don't gotta work out they come to drink cash just come on here we gonna

be we good man but listen man i want to thank both of you brothers thank you because again in our culture

in our generation none of us big each other up everyone wants to compete with each other everyone wants to say how much better they are than the next man or how

much more do they put into this game as the next man I wanted to stop that I wanted to have a show where we could sit down and just give people their flowers where they can smell them their thoughts where they can tell them their drinks where they can drink them and their you know their thoughts where they can think of I know I was a little

you know what I'm saying? That was good. But it's real shit because none of us, our community just doesn't exist no more where we just say, yo,

you're a great job, man. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I respect what you're doing. It's, they say that's dick riding nowadays.

Like, if I say, yo, good job, they're like, oh, you're on this nigga dick. Like, that's not, that's not, that's not real man shit I'm a man I can say

great job drain I like the way you took that picture don't mean nothing that means that I'm big enough great art I'm big enough great work but in this generation they'll try to make you seem like you're a dick ride or you're you're you know one of them don them foul names that they use. And that shouldn't be it. We should say great job. We should say your bigs, man. I'm proud of you.

I'm proud of how you came home and you just took to the ground running. And you should be saluted. You know what I mean? I feel like in this generation, they try to take that away, and I don't want that to happen. I want us to always, as a culture, and when I say as a culture, that doesn't mean racial.

That means hip-hop, because I believe hip-hop is a race. I believe when you vote, in a couple of years, they should say, you should check black, then hip-hop. Well, look, seriously, it's good that you guys got a platform like that

because you're all able to give people a voice. Right. Right, so you said it earlier, how do you do it, or how do you reach younger kids or speak, but it's platforms like this because it's not many. Right. Especially, like, with newer artists, you know what I'm saying, like St. John, like to be on the cusp

of something and not trying to do it after it already took off and had success, which it would. You know what I'm saying? Yep. You guys had a foresight

to see that shit, so there's platforms like this. That's what's helping hip hop. Well, thank you because this is what I want to continue to do. I want us, the culture,

to continue to big each other up because it's your model, man. If everyone is rich, then, you know, who can be the crutches? and that's the culture to continue to big each other up because it's your motto, man. If everyone is rich, then who can be their crutches? I forget how it goes, but you know. Nobody can fool us. Everybody will be each other's crutches. Exactly, man.

Wait, but why we in that spirit, too? You giving flowers, fam. You sold some flowers. You did a lot. No, no, no, that's cool. You did a lot. You did a lot. You did a lot.

You did a lot. Let's talk, no, that's cool. You did a lot. You did a lot. You did a lot. Let me tell you something. You don't never got to do it, because I wake up in the morning, I give myself flowers every day. I be like, yo, nigga, you the shit, nigga. You ain't got to worry about that. You find out you got flower girls. Yeah, yeah.

I got to hire myself. I got to hire myself. Come into America, the girls. Come out here. Yeah, yeah. Work it, dude. I'm a little grown up listening, right? You just wild nigga, right?

Right, right. Hold on. I got to here. Yeah, yeah, working a little. I'm a grown up listening, right? He was a wild nigga, right? Right, right. Hold on, I gotta know, N-O-R-E, Stampin' Niggas on the Run. That's right. That's really Stampin' Niggas on the Run? It definitely does.

Absolutely. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. I got a kill on the run when I ate that, or wrote that album and shit. You should take a shot to that.

Hold up, we got a shot. God damn, I'm with you on that one. I'm with you. I'm with you. I wasn't with you on, you know why you said to take a shot? That's all right, that's not blowing up. We got to. Goddamn, I'm with you on that one. I'm with you. I'm with you. I wasn't with you on it. You know why he said to take a shot? That's all right. That's nothing blowing up.

Because he's drinking that good shit. So I'm going to do it. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this.

We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're in this. We're ain't gonna lie, you can hit me a little heavier. You can hit me a little heavier.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna hit you. You're driving me tonight. Just fill it up, bro. Whoa, fam. Pause that. It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What up?

Tell me more. We need to get a remote control for that pod right now. Hey, yo. At the place we in right now, like when we came up, there wasn't a lot of different people of color that you could look up to that had success

where you say, oh, I can do that. It was just sports, music, or you was hustling. Right. But now you got people like Maverick, LeBron, right? Steve Stout.

What are you doing? What's the dude, Rich? Rich Paul. Yeah, Rich Paul. Yeah, but that's all a part of it. Okay, yeah. That same crew. We trying to get Anthony Davis to the Lakers, man. Yeah, but to see all a part of that same crew. We're trying to get Anthony Davis to the Lakers, man.

To see all those people in the different businesses, it gives a lot of young kids hope. And different avenues to get out. I'm going to wake up with a flatbush and I know how I got there. I'm going to wake up with a Flatbush zombie after this shit. This is really good. Since when you became a tequila drinker? I've been drinking tequila for a few years.

In jail? He told you that. There wasn't tequila in jail. There was, so I wasn't. You guys can go home. Never mind. You told me you didn't have a cow in the home run. It wasn't a drink of tequila in jail, was it? It was, so I won't lie. You guys come and talk about it. Never mind. But I've been drinking tequila for a while.

I drink everything. OK. Now, you were a real drinker. I just went to beer. I don't know where the beer came from. It was by the way. He started out as a rum drinker. I've always been a rum drinker, yeah.

And then I was a beer drinker. Rum's amazing. Yeah, rum's amazing. I've been drinking rum, too. Yeah, rum's amazing. I've been just Bacardi-ing. No, no, no. All right, we have Diplomatico. Cheap rum. I mean, I like Bacardi, not to mix this up. Zacapa. Zacapa, Diplomatico for sure.

Or what's the nigga Robin? Dom Papa. It's on. Flo de Canya. That's Flo de Canya. Yeah. Niggas say, Nicko Robin and rum? Yeah, Flo de Canya's amazing.

You got to stop doing Come On Home, brother. Come On Home. That's Miami. What were you going to say? Nicko Robin. Yeah, Nicko Robin. Yeah, Nicko Robin. Yeah, Nicko Robin. Yeah. Niggas say, Nicaragua? Yeah, Flood the Kanye is amazing. You gotta stop doing, coming home, brother. Come on.

Shit, that's Miami. What were you gonna say? Nicaragua? What were you gonna say? I got it. Oh, no, you fucked me up. You said something about me drinking beer? No, I was saying that it was funny

because I used to drink beer all the time and used to drink the hard liquor. Because of my lady, man. And then, aw. My lady's a beer drinker. Big check. One, two, three. Awww. I'm going to boo her and get some shit done.

Yo, but once again man, Drink Chats Army, you know we're family. We want to take pictures with y'all. So we want to thank y'all for just coming through because this is a real shame. We're coming through again. Your alumni. I got to get you a chain. I got to this is a real show. Coming through again. It's coming through again, your alumni. You know what I'm saying? I got to get you a chain.

I got to get you a chain now. Sheryl have a chain. We cannot not talk about the Rockefeller chain. I'm about to use the back door. Oh, he still has? Yes. I think I got it somewhere. No, Boris.

What's the problem? Boris, what the? That's why I got it. Oh yeah? Oh my God. Yo, he be like, the flyest guy in the world, Jay! Papote! Just so y'all know, at that time I had two originals.

I gave Nori my original rock of furniture. Off of your neck? Off of my neck. Where we were at? In a village somewhere. Village somewhere. Right by the park. I remember that. We did that. Yeah, this nigga memory is way too good.

We took the pictures, he never signed the contract. We worked the record, the biggest record song of all time. How does that even work? Worked the record, put out the album. Yo, that's a whole other podcast. I'm probably executive producing it, all right? Yes, it's true. But in my defense-

He never signed the contract, and we don't know what his chain is. And listen, listen. No, you won't. No, you won't. No, you heard me sign him. Yo, you know the singles have Rockefeller logos on them. Yes!

They have a single. Yes! Yes! I don't understand the story, bro. I've been saying this your whole time. How do you almost sign, but not really? I believe it. You know, I got you! old son, but not really.

I got you. I swear to God. Nigga, don't lie to me. I love you, listen. We paid for the video. We did everything. We didn't recoup nothing. No, that's not true. I let them get away with your story for years.

I was begging them. They were so rich. I was like, give me the for years. I was begging them. They were so rich. I was like, give me the contract. They was like, we got you fam. The niggas didn't care. I swear to God, I let them get away with your story for years. But that's how they ran the building. So they didn't automatically death jab you.

No, because Cam was supposed to do that. And revert to death jab. Cam was supposed to roll it over. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just roll. Because that's what we were. Careful. I would imagine. I would imagine. because I was like, I'm ready.

Give it to me. And niggas was like, no, we good. As long as niggas knew. As long as niggas knew I wasn't like leaving niggas in Canada. We going to bring the chain out so we can at least see the chain one more time? I'll bring the vinyl with the Rockefeller logos on that. Listen, man. I'm going to duplicate it.

I'm going to go on the jeweler and be like, yo, make it look old. Put some scratches on that motherfucker. So the niggas niggas great. Was it gold or was it gold? It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold.

It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. Listen man, I'm going to duplicate it. I'm going to go on the jeweler and be like, yo, make it look old. Put some scratches on that motherfucker. Show them this nigga's bread. Was it gold or platinum? That's where the story gets complicated.

What? Because I had both. Whoa. And I don't remember where I got the other one from. I ain't going to lie. I might have gave them both. I was taking a lot of ecstasy and mileage. Yeah, a lot of chicken. Who the wreck did know something like that lot of chicken. I was still affected by the shit I was doing back then.

So I'm like, you know, sometimes I wake up, I don't be knowing what. Listen, I woke up the other day, I had a whole dream that I was smoking cigarettes. I haven't smoked cigarettes in a year. Yo, make some noise for that guy. God damn. But it was, it was. He was gonna come to my house and smoke on the terrace all the time.

Yeah, the balcony, god damn it. Not in that way you can't call it a terrace. It's called a balcony. It's a balcony. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Yo, but listen, listen, because we— This is a Cuban goodbye. We gotta get out of here.

We gotta get out of here. I gotta piss first. Please, no one go to the bathroom first. I've been holding this this whole time. Finish your speech. I wanted to say thank you guys. I wanted to say thank you because this is what it is.

This is a hip hop show for hip hop people and we're going to keep this shit hip hop. St. John, man, we understand what you're doing. We're proud of what the fuck you're doing.

We want to be the first show to say that we knew that. We put you on here. We recognize. So when a year later or two years later when you're the biggest thing in the fucking world,

I'm going to be honest. We we're gonna pull out this footage and say we told you! We told you! You know what I'm saying? We will do that. We will do that. We'll pay like that. We'll pay like that. We're gonna claim your props.

We're gonna give you credit because you know why? One thing for sure, two things for certain. It's like he just said that about Jay earlier. He said that he doesn't, Jay doesn't do nothing for money. This is the same way. This dude ain't doing nothing for money. He's doing something because he's passionate about it.

He believes in it. He don't fuck with any, trust me, I tried to get him to fuck with so many different things. And if he wasn't about it, he ain't about it. And that's genuine.

You ain't gonna find that in this game. So, you know, cherish that shit and make a motherfucking couple of million dollars, my dude. And next time, Mr. Chow's on you, goddammit. Thank you. A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways. Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.

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