Drink Champs - Episode 17 w/ Havoc (of Mobb Deep)
Episode Date: July 1, 2016N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. In this episode the guys drink it up with Havoc of the legendary Queensbridge duo; Mobb Deep. They talk about past misunderstandings between Mobb Deep and CNN..., a possible Queens tour, Prince, working with Kanye West and more. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Yeah, what's up, y'all?
What's going on, brother?
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Hey, Hank Segri, I hope you're savvy.
This is your boy, N-O-R-E.
What up, it's DJ E-F-N.
And this is Drinks Champ, some motherfucking podcast.
Make some noise!
Make some noise!
And right now, we have one of the members from one of the most legendary groups in hip hop.
He is also one of the best producers that ever lived.
Thank you.
Hands down.
He is also the man behind everything that was produced there. He is also a very lioness type of person.
He came to the lion's den.
He didn't care about the rumors or none of that.
He came.
He flew out on his own dime.
He's a legend.
I knew him from 12th Street.
I knew him from back then.
And he is in the house with the drink champs.
In case you guys are confused or don't know who I'm talking about,
I'm talking about the legendary Havoc of Mobb Deep.
Make some noise!
I am very, listen, I'm very, this is one of my most exciting interviews
because I know our history and I know how cool we are.
But I know how the Internet, you know, takes shit up and switching and bouncing.
And the interesting thing about you is, like, I just recently got asked to do a show.
It's called Hot Ones, right, where you do the hot wings.
And I was like, yo, I wanted to change it up a little bit.
I was like, yo, listen.
That's a show? It's a show it's called it's on complex oh okay so um I was I was
like yo I want to change it up a little bit tell them I'll do five wings that's real hot and I'll
do five of the strongest vodka in the world and I thought about it I was like half could have
easily said that to me he could have said yo yeah I'll do it but I want to do it on this. And you did not. Let's make some noise for Ab, not B.S.K.
God damn it.
God damn it.
This is my thing.
So listen, you got one of the best hip-hop stories I ever,
this beat, this is one of the best hip-hop stories I ever heard.
You made shook ones off of the project stove?
Yeah.
He is very smart.
How many other people have been cooking on a project stove and they make a dollar
let me tell you something at that time people in Baisley people in 40 people
were really listening to the project souls and and damn I didn't even think about that you didn't know no you said that
but now I get what you mean
oh that is the
that is the
before you light it
yeah
right before you light it
you know what I'm saying
before it come on
and all of that
you know
so let me ask you
did you think of the beat
when you heard that
nah you know
I was just in the
fucking projects
you know
broke as fuck
and just like
want something like
I just gotta make some shit
so you know
the stove inspired me you know what I mean once I'm like, I just gotta make some shit. So, you know, the stove inspired me.
You know what I mean?
So, I was like,
yeah, let me throw this
into the beat
and, you know,
whatever.
This is after the first album.
This is after the first album.
Yeah, Juvenile Hell.
I never really considered
Juvenile Hell.
I never even,
I never think about it.
We consider it over here.
No doubt.
So, I always be like,
you know what I'm saying,
the Infamous album
was like my first album.
And the Juvenile Hell is like the miscarriage.
Which Primo executive produced it, right?
He produced it.
Yeah.
Say that again?
DJ Premier, he executive produced it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he, no, he didn't executive produce it, but he really helped us out.
Like, we wasn't nobody.
He didn't know us.
Are you talking about the Infamous album?
No.
No, the Juvenile Hell. He didn't know us. Were you talking about the Infamous album? No. No, dog.
Oh, you did not have, okay.
He didn't know us. Come here,
something to do with that?
Yeah, he used to drive out to...
Let me look at the...
Oh, listen, listen.
You be like, no.
Let me look at the...
You be like, no.
Let me look at the...
Let me look at the...
Let me look at the...
God damn it!
I gotta look at the credits.
God damn it.
Heaven's a fucking legend.
Oh, man.
That is so dope, man. That is so dope, man.
That is so dope.
That was our first album right there.
So you produced this on this as well?
Nah, I got my first taste of production on there.
I really didn't know how to produce at that time.
Right.
So I just did like, you know, one or two songs on there.
Yeah, because you went into art and design, so that means you're very smart.
Not smart, but artistic.
Let's make some noise for this nigga.
Art and design is a prestigious school.
That's a prestigious school, my brother.
I'm from the town.
I know what this is.
So when did you start producing?
Like, what happened?
Back when a producer asked me for, we asked for a beat from a known producer.
RZA?
I seen RZA.
Not RZA, but I'm not going to blow his name up, whoever it was.
I should.
We petty on drink checks.
Right.
Take another drink.
Take another drink.
The more that you drink, the more petty you get.
We need you to get petty right now, Hab.
Come on.
All right.
No, but I love this guy to death.
But P-Rock asked us for like 25 grand.
P-Rock.
And our budget was only 60,000. And he asked us for like 25 grand and our budget was only 60,000 and he asked us for
25,000 I was like fuck it I'm gonna make my own beats for real that's how it started that's how
it started wow but during what not during this project during this project during no during uh
nah it was that project it was that project because I seen RZA the label, and he said that you asked him for a beat.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
He told you to keep making your own beats.
Like, fuck him.
Yeah, he inspired me, too.
He was like, no, no, no, go ahead, make your own shit.
And then I was like, all right, fuck it.
Then I made my own shit.
I didn't even know how to make beats, really.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
I just was like, just watching people.
Because, you know, you from Left Rack.
Large Pro's from over there
So I used to go over there
To large pro crib
Wow
And then watch him make beats
And whenever I used to
Ask him questions
Like yo how you do that
He'd be like
Like chill
Like chill
Don't ask questions
Just watch
So I used to just watch
Large pro do beats
Q-tip do beats
And Q-tip had to do
With the Infamous album
Right
And he
And you learn from The best in the game God damn it I mean you know Q-Tip do beats. And Q-Tip had to do with the Infamous album, right? Right, right. And you learned from the best in the game.
God damn it.
I mean, you know, Q-Tip was ill.
And he, like, we didn't have no money back then.
So, you know, they was just willing to help us.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Just from the buzz of Juvenile Hell?
It wasn't no buzz.
It wasn't no buzz?
I mean, there had to be.
Look, I got it in Florida.
I got this in Miami.
I mean, now it's a buzz.
You know what I'm saying?
That was our first album, but it wasn't no buzz.
I got this before Shook Ones and all that.
Right.
I mean, but it was cool.
Let's make some noise for EFM.
Project Hallway.
Oh, hip hop.
Yo, hip hop.
Like, we was bumping it.
Yo, listen, he gave KRS-One a tennis ball from 19, what year was it?
Nah, man, you making me laugh.
From, like, 1993 or something.
From 1943.
Before KRS was born, he gave it to his boys.
Look, KRS, you signed this for me and shit.
You know what I mean?
This is my man, man.
Yo, so, you guys, you worked with Biggie Smalls.
Right.
How was that?
I mean, it was pretty cool. You know what I mean? We had just dropped, you know what I worked with Biggie Smalls. Right. How was that? I mean, it was pretty cool.
You know what I mean?
We had just dropped, you know what I'm saying, the Infamous album, and he was working on Life After Death.
So, Puff hit me up.
He was like, yo, I need some tracks for whatever, blah, blah, blah.
But it's a strange story that happened, because I sent Puff some beats, and then we actually did it in the studio.
The beat that I did, it got lost.
Whatever he paid for, and Puff is like a gangster.
He was like, yo, where's the track I paid for?
We've been hearing that.
I was like, yo, I don't got it.
He was like, well, you're going to make this beat right there.
You're going to do it over.
So then I had to recollect it and just do it over
now what beat was that oh living to my last days getting money to own that long kiss good night
the ones with the locks on it yeah on the lap and you just did famous you got something to do with
that with the Kanye shit right the video was wild yeah I spent like like Six months in Cali
Working on the album
With Kanye
Get the hell out of here
I spent that time out there
I only got like
One and a half tracks on there
But it was worth it
You're killing me
Just smoke already
Go back to blunt
You ain't smoking tonight Lose your currency get your placement. You're killing me. You're killing me. Just smoke already, man. Go back to blunt. Smoke.
You ain't smoked
since the 90s.
You're killing me.
Look at your currency.
You influenced me, currency.
I'm over here
smoking a roll of comb.
You don't want me
to smoke that.
Nah, nah, nah.
So you used to drink
E&J back in the day.
Mm-hmm.
The original drink champ.
Yeah, yeah.
Word.
E&J, would you say
that was the worst
days of your life?
That was, uh... What'd you say?., would you say that was the worst days of your life? That was, uh...
What'd you say?
The worst?
The worst.
Like, yo, you was bad back then.
I'd say that was, like, the roughest days of my life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I went to Queensbridge.
We used to wake up drinking that shit.
Listen, I went to Queensbridge one time, like, 11 o'clock in the morning.
A lot of people don't know this.
The first time I met you wasn't through Capone.
It was through Twin.
Me and twin was locked
up in sparfing big up to twin from Queensbridge my nigga big twin make some noise
I came and you guys got shook ones you got the number one record in the world
you sitting on the bench you on top of the bench you just down a bottle of E&J and just fall
and everybody like oh shit I was like yo this nigga's a rock star this was the dopest shit in the world with me like to see and you was you was at that time you
was dead up still living in the hood and you you had the number one record you could have bounced
like after i made money i was like i thought about you i was like that nigga really stayed
like you duked it out for a while for a a little second, I duped it out.
Did you save at least what you was in the hood?
Did I save?
Save the bread if you...
Oh, save money?
Nah, we was spending that shit.
We was spending that.
Yo, but yo, that was ill.
Like, that was my first experience.
Like, I came to Queensbridge, and I seen you the first day.
I remember Twain introducing us, but I remember that shit was like ill to me,
like to see that you was really still out there,
like, and you was rich, like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you had money coming in.
Young niggas had shows.
That record was everywhere.
Yeah, because you know what it was?
Like, because when you living in the projects,
exactly like where you come from or whatever,
when you got respect, you don't feel like going anywhere.
You know what I'm saying?
You got that respect.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not saying like I was a gangster or anything like that, but I just had that Going anywhere You know what I'm saying You got that respect You know what I'm saying I'm not saying Like I was a gangster
Or anything like that
But I just had that respect
You know what I'm saying
Out there
And I could have money
Jury
Or still be in the hood
You know what I mean
It's respect
Some niggas get money
And they gotta leave
Because they don't got no respect
You know what I'm saying
So I stayed out there
For a reasonable amount of time
You know what I'm saying
And then
And then what made you
What was the final step
where you said,
I got to get the fuck up out of here?
Because I used to come in the crib
like around, you know,
4 o'clock in the morning,
5 o'clock in the morning.
And Badgy Moe was out there?
Yeah, Badgy Moe was there.
Badgy Moe was out there?
Badgy Moe was the wild crackhead
that knocked you the fuck out.
And he knocked you out.
Yeah, he knocked you out.
And he knocked you out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's wild.
But shit like that.
Yeah, but you know,
after a while,
it's like you can't dangle
me in front of wolves
for too long.
So I was just like,
yo, you know,
let me just go.
Because you know what it was
why it took me so long?
Because I was scared.
You know what I'm saying?
I always lived in projects,
living on my own.
You know what I'm saying?
And then the lyric you said,
no matter how much loot I get,
I gotta stay true to that.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was wild at half
Right
But
You know
So
You know
I was a little scared
So I was like
You know
Fuck it
I just went out on my own
Became a grown man
I was like
Fuck it
I gotta get my own
You know what I'm saying
Get on some grown man shit
Yeah you can't
You was way too big of an artist
Way too big
And you
But your block is famous
Like people gotta know
12th Street.
Ron Artest is the next building from you.
Right.
This is correct, right?
That is correct.
It's half building, Ron Artest building, and then Capone's building.
Right, and Capone's building right there.
And all of our families was all cool with each other.
This is crazy.
You know what I'm saying?
All of our families.
So when I see Ron Ron on TV, Ron Artest on TV, like, you know, on the-
We're supposed to be calling him Metal World Peace, but we calling him Ron Ron.
We calling him Ron Ron.
Nigga, your mama need you, Ron Ron.
We calling you Ron Ron.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
You know, so when I see him and stuff like that, it's not like a thing where we be like,
yo, oh shit, he from my project.
Nah, we all know each other.
Like, it's like really family.
I seen Ron Ron in Club Live with Nas.
He pulled out a 1989 Nokia phone and took a picture.
I said, slime, you got to snap it up.
Slime.
You got beeper people phones, man.
I got beeper people phones, man.
We got the same thing with Gunblade.
And KRS-One.
I'm still looking for you, KRS-One, to give you a fucking phone.
What kind of phone do you have?
He had a beeper.
He had a beeper.
He still had a beeper.
He was dead serious, though.
No, he did say that.
He did say that.
He said he has a beeper.
But it don't work no more.
No.
No, I think it does.
Apparently, that's not.
Listen, you can't get KRS-One direct.
Him and Rakim is hard niggas to just reach direct.
You got to hit the person to person.
And then that person.
Has to beep that person. Yeah, they beep him. And be and you know they get on ships and shit like that let's make some
noise for krs and god damn it for him not responding to that ship dock in spain but
that block in 12th street you have ron ron um like i we used to like when i was out there and
i used to play ball we used to um think of ron ron as a butch like he was out there and I used to play ball, we used to think of Ron Ron as a butch.
Like, he was the guy who came in to thug things out.
Right.
He really made it.
Like, did you know that from the beginning?
I mean, his father used to have him.
No, his pops was real.
His pops was a real nigga, yeah.
You saw it before.
You was on the block.
His pops used to have him out there.
And his brother.
20 degree weather.
Yes.
Playing ball on the block.
Yes, this is true. And his father
knocking him down like this, so you already knew
that when he did make, I didn't think
he was going to make it, but when he did make it, I was like,
oh, of course. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
It's kind of similar to Serena Williams and
Venus Williams' story
with Ron Ron. Like, Ron Ron, it was
made to be tough. Like, people don't think that
like, you know, he's in the NBA and, you know. No, his pops did that. Like, Ron Ron, it was made to be tough. Like, people would think that, like, you know,
he's in the NBA and, you know.
No, his pops did that.
Like, he is a rude,
like, nigga on that court,
what I mean by,
like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, his pops taught him
to be the toughest dude.
Like, his pops was a man's man.
Word.
You know what I'm saying?
Word.
And when you see him on the court
when he was doing his thing,
it's not a mistake. You know what I'm saying? You'd be like, oh, shit the court when he was doing his thing, it's not a mistake.
You know what I'm saying?
You'd be like, oh, shit.
Like, people think that he's crazy, but he's not crazy.
He was just made to play that way.
Right.
And, you know.
Right.
So now, Juvenile Hell came out before Illmatic, correct?
Yeah, it did.
It did.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
It did.
So did you see Nas recording Illmatic at any point?
By the time he was recording Illmatic,
me and him wasn't really hanging with each other no more because he was just, Columbia just grabbed him.
Wait, so you were messing with him during Juvenile Hell?
Yeah, because we was teenagers together
before even Juvenile Hell came out.
You know what I'm saying?
So we used to hang out.
Y'all went to 204 together?
No, I never went to 204.
You never went to 204?
No.
Queensbridge niggas, make some noise for 204.
Everybody in Queensbridge.
Nobody from Queensbridge here.
We have to assume that's a school.
We all know from New York.
We don't know what 204 is.
204 was the school to go to.
It was the school to go to.
We said it in Body and the Trump, me and I.
I went to 125.
I went to Sunset Senior High.
You went to 125?
I went to 125.
I went to 125, nigga.
In Woodside.
46 and Bliss.
Second line, nigga. Come on. What are you talking about, nigga? Holy moly guacamole. I went to 125, nigga. In Woodside. 46 and Bliss. Second line, nigga.
Come on.
What are you talking about, nigga?
Holy moly guacamole.
How y'all never saw each other?
How we never saw each other, man?
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
Holy shit.
Right there on the sunny side.
Yeah, that's how I met Queensborough.
Yo, so you're fucking my head up.
Yeah, I was from Left Frack.
I got kicked out of all the schools in Corona, Left Frack, East Elmhurst area.
And they sent you to 125?
Yeah, I got kicked out of 227, kicked out of IS61.
I got kicked out of another school.
Then they sent me to Ridgewood.
I knew they was preparing me for jail
because there was no women in there.
I was like,
yo, hold up.
They said,
this is a 600 school.
They gave me one more chance.
And I had to go to IS125,
46 and Bliss on the 7th line.
Yeah, 46 and Bliss.
That's the stop.
46 and Bliss.
You get out
And the two niggas I met
Was Kayam Capone Holly
Right
Which is Capone
Right
And LJ
A dude named LJ
LJ
Also from 12th Street
Also from 12th Street
See I'm an honorary
12th Street member
Can you tell these niggas
I'm an honorary
I'm an honorary
12th Street
From Queens
Listen listen
I'm honorary
Let me tell you something
When I first met Nori
And Nori was like
Hanging around
And stuff like that
He was almost like
It was like
He was from there
Like for real
Nah y'all accepted me
Like he was like
From there
He just came in
He fit in
You know what I'm saying
Or whatever
Whatever
But
I was locked up with Twin
Yup And Lincoln And Lincoln No and Swaffy Swaffy You know what I'm saying Or whatever Whatever But I was locked up with Twin Yep
And Lincoln
And Lincoln
No and Sparfit
Sparfit baby
Sparfit yes
We was eating Now Laters
That's a fact
Now Laters is like gold
And Sparfit
Make some noise
For y'all niggas
That never been to Sparfit
God damn it
God damn it
Make some noise
Yo yo come on
The crowd is whack
Alright
Yeah so
Yo y'all history
Is so crazy
So you and P
Cause P is
Originally from Long Island
Y'all connected
Okay
Go ahead
Queen
P is from
Originally from
From what I know
He's from like
Queens
Right
And then his
Grandmother lived in Long Island
You can't just say Queens
Like
Left rack
Left rack
My bad
My bad My bad So say Queens. Left rack. Left rack. My bad.
Yeah, that's right.
My bad. Go ahead.
My bad.
So he was from left rack
from what I knew.
Yeah, because back then
we used to call him Pee Wee.
Right, and we called him that too.
Okay, cool.
So he was from left rack.
Why y'all call him Pee Wee?
Hold on, we forcing
because Havoc is here.
Is Amanda here?
Is Amanda here?
Where's Amanda?
Oh, can I get another drink?
We forcing.
Let's shout out.
Havoc from Marbebe is here.
We got bartenders.
Shout out to Best Buy Liquors.
Yo, I told Hav outside, I said, I can't front.
It's the first time.
But I said, does it look good?
He said, yeah, I think it's looking good.
We got servers.
It's looking good.
We got pretty girls pouring drinks.
Shout out to homies, Best Buy Liquors.
Yo, let's shout out to Best Buy Liquors for providing not only
the liquor, but they provided the females, because Havavoc is here and he's a very special guest.
He's a classic guy.
And they got a spot in Kendall.
They got a spot, two spots in Kendall.
Naranja.
I don't know how to pronounce that.
What's that called?
That's the hood, Naranja.
Yeah, Naranja.
That sounds like orange, but it's Spanish.
It is in Spanish.
Uh-huh.
But it's the hood.
And Cutler Bay.
Cutler Bay, yeah.
And Cutler Bay. They got the liquor.
So, Hab, whenever you out there,
Best Buy Liquors, man. What's their Instagram?
At Best Buy Liquors. Right, D? Is that what it is?
At Best Buy Liquors, man.
Definitely. They're holding us down.
So, Hab, man, you know,
so you said he was
originally from Left Frank.
Oh, shit. The police.
The police. This is not a false alarm. alarm oh they kept it moving they wanted to stop it was weird it was weird
it was weird and we don't have we're not friends it's the first time we ever had police
now the second time you remember that i wasn't oh i wasn't here
we're not faking we're not faking, we are scared.
Last week we had the same issue.
You wasn't here?
I wasn't there when the police pulled up.
I heard them.
Oh, they pulled up, likes and all.
Likes and all.
So you guys were what age when you connected?
When I first met Pee, I was 15.
Wait, wait, wait, y'all didn't say it.
Why y'all call him Pee-wee?
Come on, we don't know.
Y'all talking like family and shit.
Because he was short.
He was short, he was short.
But I met him when I was 15.
Right.
I met him in high school, whatever, whatever.
He used to have mad jewelry on.
Hair was blonde.
You know what I'm saying?
Blonde?
Wait, he had blonde hair?
You know how back in the days Kwame used to... Yeah, yeah.
The streets or the whole thing?
Everybody did it.
He had the whole thing.
He used to call him the golden child.
Get out of here with this shit.
I like that shit.
You should do the heroin with me.
Come on, let's do it.
But he was a cool-ass nigga, though.
You know what I'm saying?
And we connected.
Right.
And then, so, when y'all met, was it instantly like, yo, he told you he does music?
Or, like, how was it initially when y'all first met?
Nah, because we used to be in the lunchroom, and they used to be freestyling at the tables.
He was one of them that was freestyling.
I used to freestyle, the lunchroom and they used to be freestyling at the tables He was one of them as freestyle and I used to freestyle blah blah blah and then soon as we met It was like instant friends like instant friends like instant
You know me and and he was rapping at the time on yeah, because I heard um, you wrote his first one
Oh, I mean he used to he used to have his own rhymes and stuff like that
But you know we got a deal and stuff like that, you know, I used to write and whatever.
He didn't need it. But take the credit,
Hal. Go ahead. You wrote Pete's first rhyme.
Good damn it. Harry, come on, people.
Why did you judge me?
Come on, come on.
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This Pride Month, we are not just celebrating.
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Listen, man, you're going to loosen up. You got to keep drinking.
You want another drink? Amanda, look, I'm flossing.
I'm taking it slow.
Amanda is very pretty. She's on the podcast.
She's from Best Buy Liquors.
We're trying to show off what you have. Yeah, we've never done this before. We never had this. We never had. She's from Best Buy Liquors. We're trying to show off what you have.
Yeah, we've never done this. We've never had this. This is Best Buy Liquors.
We're pulling all the stops.
We're pulling all the stops for you, man.
Y'all the illest though, man. I love this show.
So listen, Father's Day just passed.
How many abortions you paid for
in your life? How many what?
It's not like you said Bostons.
Abortions? Yeah, abortions. How many abortions
I paid for in my life? Yeah, abortions.
How many abortions I paid for in my life?
Keep it real now.
To keep it real, I would say like two.
Like two?
Like two.
I got to disagree with you.
I got to say like two.
How many?
Did you answer that question?
No, I just heard.
You just heard?
How many abortions you paid for?
I'm up there.
I might be in the double digits.
Damn.
In the night?
You ain't paid for the professional ones, man.
In the night. You're the unprofessional one. With the hangers and shit like that? No,s. You ain't paying for the professional ones, man.
In the 90s.
You're the unprofessional one.
With the hangers and shit like that?
No, no, no.
You was like, come here, let's wrestle.
Havoc for Marthie.
You were like the first Wesley Snipes at one point.
Like, you was like the hip-hop version.
You was knocking down a lot of things.
I mean, that's a misconception. Back in the days.
Back in the days. It's not, we ain't
talking about nothing new. Back in the days?
Mm-hmm. You was knocking down a lot of things.
Yeah.
You was knocking down a lot.
And you only paid for two abortions?
Only two. Because listen,
my experience is, if you're dark-skinned
and you're from 12th Street. It's powerful?
You're a freak. Yeah. If you're dark-skinned and you're from 12th Street, you're a freak. If you're dark-skinned and you're from 12th Street, you're a freak.
Make some noise for me knowing what's going on in Queens Ridge, Florida.
It is kind of true.
It is kind of true.
It's Capone from 12th Street.
Yeah, he's a freak.
He's a freak.
Me and Capone got another story.
That's another show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I'm in love.
I should have had the poem called up.
So let's get to these rumors, right?
A lot of people, they sent this email that came out.
Right.
And me and Hav, what people don't know,
before the book was wrote, before everything,
me and you, you came out here.
You brought my prodigy book?
Yeah, yes. You came out here. You brought my prodigy book? Yeah, yes.
You came out here. You hung with me in Miami.
Everything was cool.
You brought me out for your birthday party. That's right.
For my birthday party. We're going to get back to the birthday party.
Right? But
this email came out.
It existed, right? It was a show
that happened in Orlando.
Okay.
And my DJ Butch Rock.
Big up Butch Rock. Shut up Butch.
The promoter hit him and said,
he booked us, I guess he sent y'all half,
and then he was sending us a half,
and then this email comes out, they said,
Mobb Deep didn't want to do a show
if CNN is in the building.
Okay, do you believe that?
Yeah, I do believe that.
Wow. I mean, but this, okay, I do believe that. Wow.
Okay, I ain't even going to go deep.
But anyway, you know what I'm saying?
I kind of heard about that.
You heard about that? I kind of heard about that.
But for the record, you definitely have nothing to do with not wanting to do a show with CNN.
With Nori and Capone?
With Nori and Capone.
Look, I'm going to say,
look, we're going to throw it on the table.
Albert, Victor,
Kiwan, and Kyan.
There you go.
We know each other.
But was you disturbed
by the email? Because I could tell it wasn't you.
I could tell it wasn't you. I know you.
I was definitely,
I didn't see the email
But I heard about the situation
And I was like
Yeah what the fuck
I was like
You know
No random not coming
But a lot of times
Certain shit be out of my hands
Cause I don't give a fuck
Cause if you gonna pay me
You know what I'm saying
I'ma be at the show
Wherever
You know what I'm saying
I don't care
Who's even fucking there
I don't care
You know what I'm saying
Cause you know But I just Cause? Right. Because, you know.
Because I just had to want to kill that rumor because at the end of the day, you know, Nas
is, they're alluding to the Nas, Capone, and Noriega mob deep talk.
Is that not the crazy?
That needs to happen.
Did you hear this rumor?
That needs to happen.
I heard that rumor.
Right.
You heard that rumor.
I heard that rumor.
Let's make some noise for the rumor, goddammit.
Let's make some noise for the rumor. That's how you do reality. I heard that rumor. Right, you heard that rumor. Let's make some noise for the rumor, goddammit. Let's make some noise for the rumor.
That shit had to be reality.
I heard that rumor.
But you know what?
That could become reality.
He was ready to give me $500,000, and I couldn't get in contact with y'all at one point.
That's my word.
See, you know now.
That's my word.
See, now I'm about to choke you.
That's my word.
I'm like, hold on.
You know what I mean?
I hit ice.
I hit ice.
Right.
Yeah, I hit ice.
But you didn't hit me.
Yeah, that's a fact.
That's a fact.
Let's make some noise for me not hitting the half.
God damn it.
But, you know, because this is real shit.
Because us, when we live in this internet world, that's why I got to really respect you for this.
You know what I'm saying?
For you taking your time out.
And obviously, you here to dead that room boy.
You here to say that.
Yo, listen.
And he reached out.
And he reached out, man.
I called y'all.
That's right.
Not even called.
On Instagram.
No, you reached out.
That was me.
And I hit him.
Yo, my dude.
I hit you first.
Yeah.
Right.
Then I hit him. Right. Then I was like, you got to have me on And I hit him. Yo, my dude, I really... I hit you first. Yeah. Right. Then I hit him.
Right.
Then I was like, you got to have me on the show.
Yes.
I really, really, really respect that move.
So I just wanted the people to know that for people who think there's a mob deep Capone
and Noriega beef, there is not.
I mean, there was...
Whatever.
Back then.
But we ain't talking about that.
But to keep it real, keep it real It's like okay
You know what I'm saying
All families and crews
Have a little friction
Going on
Or whatever
But it's nothing
That never
Can't get fixed
You understand what I'm saying
So it's like
Whatever
Let me salute you
Glass for that
Let me salute you
Glass for that
And Havoc came man
I ain't gonna lie
I am mad impressed
That he came
Make some noise
To Havoc And he told me He said And I told you He said I ain't gonna lie I am mad impressed That he came Make some noise To have it good
And he told me
He said
And I told you
He said
I'm a little scared
Of your questioning
But I said
You know what
Fuck it
Because you know
What it is
See people
People forget about
The picture
When I was in
New Rochelle
And you came
No question
You ain't send me
This record
And who did I come with
Who did I come with
Don't lament it
You came
You came with security this time.
Smart move.
Make some noise for security.
What's your name, nigga?
What's your name, nigga?
We don't know who you are.
Big Tim?
I don't know if I should say that.
I seen a lot of niggas in the video, so I was like, yo, I got to bring somebody with me.
Big Tim.
Oh, okay.
Bigger Big Tim from Flushing.
So now, you don't know how much I respect that because this room will need to be the rest.
And I feel like me, you, Nas, Mobb Deep, Capone, and Noriega, I feel like that's something that we should do because we're not like fake friends.
Like, I really know you.
You really know me.
I really know Prodigy.
Prodigy really know me.
You really know Kiem.
Right.
Like, I know him and P-Shit, but listen, Capone is not going to do nothing.
Not like I'm the boss of Capone,
but that's over.
Like, Prodigy,
let's put that shit to the side
and let's start over, man.
But even Pone,
he was respectful about it.
Even Pone said it.
He said he just wanted to talk about it.
And listen,
he just wanted to confront the situation.
He just wanted to pay attention
because if we said any more deep slander,
you wouldn't have came here
and you would have known about it.
There's no more deep slander.
And we talk to a million people back.
And any time, you know what I'm saying, I see you on one of our boy ones.
Right, right, right.
You have me saying shit.
I always take it in a playful manner.
I'm playing.
Like, I am.
See, here's the deal.
Let me just get you to the point.
Prodigy was my man.
Like, me and you hung out a whole lot But me and P
Just you know when I found out
His left rack ties
I kind of took a liking to him
And you know what I mean
And me and P hung out so much
So the book threw me off
I'm going to be honest this is me
I didn't read the book
I know
High five
I never seen you big up the book or nothing like that But we'll get to that later right So the book. I know. High five. Crazy. I've never seen you big up the book or nothing like that.
But we'll get to that later, right? So,
the book comes out. I kind of
took it as just a little disrespect because
I felt like I would never
speak about that situation. I never made
records about that situation. You talking about the shooting?
Yeah, the shooting. Yes, yes, yes.
I didn't shoot at you half. You know what I'm saying?
Like, that day, I shot around you.
Did you know I shot at you that day?
I was in the studio.
I was in the studio.
No, you was there.
I was there.
Big up to Norian.
That was the second shoot.
That was the second shoot.
But what I'm saying is
I never
No, no, I purposely would never shoot
at Havoc or Prodigy.
That's my word.
But I was shooting at other niggas.
They jumped me.
At the Q Club.
They jumped me.
But I never spoke about it.
I never got money off of it.
So for him to put it in a book, it kind of, and at the end of the day, if you throw my
name in the air, you, the thing about it is, it's going to go up, but you got to, you can't
control where it lands. You might
throw it up and just want to catch it.
At that time, I was sitting back.
I was like, nah, I'm not
letting this go.
And I'm going to tell
my side of the story.
Do you think I took it too far
when I was going at him?
Going at who? Prodigy.
I mean, you're your own man. You got to do
what you got to do.
I like your answer.
God damn it.
Havoc is on the offside.
Havoc is on the offside.
Havoc is on the offside.
He's officially drink champ.
You want to smoke a blunt now?
I'm going to smoke a blunt.
Not yet.
I'm going to smoke a blunt.
Want some heroin?
But nah, but you know when all that shit was going down and all that crazy shit, it's like,
come on, man.
That shit was like, what, 20 years ago on man that shit was like what 20 years ago yeah definitely man definitely and I would never wanted
to disrespect people like you know Karate Joe you know yeah that's why I
never made a rap about that I remember that was brought up in the public the
book yeah that's the first time and I'm gonna keep it real I spoke to P and P
said um yo I got you in the book, but it was no disrespect.
So I was like, all right, cool.
So I'm looking forward to this shit.
Then the shit hits me from the background, and I'm like, damn.
So if you use my name, I got a choice to like it or not like it.
I didn't like it.
So I had a choice, and I responded the way I did.
But it was all in jokes.
It was all in fun.
And I'm glad that you came here.
I'm glad you, because you know what?
Out of us, Capone and Noriega and Mobb D, I'm going to give you be the bravest one to come through and step forward and put this rumor to a motherfucking rest.
Because you could have been any place in the world tonight.
Of course.
But you chose to the world tonight. Of course. But you chose
to be
here
tonight.
And I want to say,
make some fucking noise!
We're going to get this money, man.
Happy, we're going to get this money, man.
And mind you,
when he hit us up,
when he hit at least
the Dream Champs Instagram,
he didn't hit us up
to be on the show.
He was just saying,
yo, y'all doing your thing.
Like, he was just
showing love humbly.
I really, I really...
Which is dope.
So you got a new project, right?
Let's talk about
this new project here.
Yes, yes.
Let's put that
in front of your face.
Alchemist.
Alchemist.
How did y'all meet Alchemist?
They met Alchemist
and then I met him later.
Who's they?
People at college
talking about?
Twin, Godfather.
Oh, okay.
You know what I mean?
They met Alchemist, and then I met him later.
And I was like, oh shit, the nigga nice.
You know what I'm saying?
So I knew him ever since.
Right.
And what's the first beat y'all collaborated on, you and Alchemist?
Me and him?
Mm-hmm.
Oh, shit, man.
Y'all been working for a minute, though.
No, but we never really collaborated on no beats. We never, it's either you gave me a- Not him producing for Y'all been working for a minute though Nah but we never really collaborated on no beats
We never
It's either
Not him producing for y'all
Nah he
Yeah like he did shit
Like since like what
99 to 2000 or something
Started doing stuff for us
Stuff like that
So you know
I took a like to him
And I was like you know
I don't be
You know I'm not like a hog over the beats and shit.
I was like, oh shit, you got a nigga that do beats? Come on, let's do some beats.
And he happened to just be nice.
Now, did Tragedy name you?
Yes, he did. Indeed.
Let's make some noise for Tragedy, man. He been going through it on this show.
Where does that name come from? What's all that about?
I met Tragedy back in 88 when he first came home. I guess he was locked up for like three years.
Traj loved it.
Traj, Gaddafi or whatever.
Intelligent hoodlum.
Yeah, that's like my mentor.
You know what I mean?
He used to bring me to WBLS and all these other little stations and stuff like that, to Marley Marr House.
And I didn't have a rap name.
And I was like, yo, you know, I don't got a rap name.
And he was like, I'm going to give you one of my names. So name was Havoc Trash Tragedy Tragic and then he just gave me Havoc wow and
what year was this 88 wow 1988 damn well we open it up to Serac make some noise for Amanda being
on point so what was your most memorable session you ever had?
My most memorable session that I ever had being in the studio?
The most memorable session that I ever had being in the studio was when we was working on Hello Nerf.
And I got there first to the studio.
P came second.
He had just bought a new car Tahoe or something like that
And then he let the rest of them
Go get some trees
And then maybe a half an hour later
Or an hour later
We found out that
Some of the crew got into a car accident
And two of them died
I know that you're talking about
Twin, God bless the dead Twin.
Godfather was driving.
Yeah, he was driving.
So what session was that?
What music was that?
So we did Godfather Part 3?
We was doing Hell on Earth.
We was doing the Hell on Earth album.
Wow.
And so that's the most memorable session that I ever had.
That's not good memorable.
Nah, I mean, but it's memorable.
Right, right, right.
Prodigy had a warrant and the police was calling his phone.
He was like, yo, should I answer now?
I was like, nigga, man, because Godfather already called us and said, yo, man, niggas is hurt.
Niggas is hurt.
Then the police is calling next.
Now, I hear it.
Godfather was, like, the only one, was like the only one who had no cuts,
nothing,
and everybody else.
It's always the drivers that always be the one
that don't really
obtain any injuries.
Right.
But two people died
and two others
were critically injured,
but they lived.
And did I hear
that rumor correct?
Like they hit a cone?
Was it a cone?
You know when you're
on the West Side Highway
Yeah, West Side
And you're driving uptown
And you're getting off of 125th Street
125th
They got that little divider
That's like only this big
Right
You know what I mean?
So if you miss your exit
But you're trying to get back on
And you're doing 70 miles per hour
The car gonna flip over
Right
So that's what happened
Damn, God bless, man
Yeah, God
I remember that time, man
Yeah, so that was definitely One of the most memorable studio moments.
I remember that time, 12th Street.
And another memorable moment.
A good one.
Let's get a positive one.
No, no.
You took us mad sad right there.
I hate to give you one.
No, but another memorable one was when we was working on Murder Music.
And we was in Electric Lady right there on West 8th
or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then I had came back
and one of my homies was like,
yo, Prince is out there.
I was like, get the fuck out of here.
Oh, shit.
So he went and got Prince.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Prince the Rewind, Rewind.
Hold on, you about to tell me
you met Prince?
Yes.
Go ahead.
Start it all over, start it all over.
Start it all over.
He is in that shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never been in the vicinity of this nigga.
Nah, so.
Look at him.
Word.
I never been in there.
And that's how I feel about Michael Jackson.
So anyway, so we in the studio and one of my homeboys was like, yo, Prince is out there.
I was like, get the fuck out of here.
He was like, hell yeah, I'll bring that nigga in.
He mad cool.
He fucking brought Prince in the studio.
Now, I'm about this. Now, Electric Lady, remember, this is Jimi Hendrix. Now, I'm about this tour.
Now, Electric Lady, remember, this is Jimi Hendrix.
Now, I'm about this tour.
Prince is like this.
And he had heels on?
Did he always have heels on?
No, he just had what he got on.
He didn't have heels, number one.
He wanted heels.
Prince should have on heels.
Not heels, not heels.
Maybe platforms.
So I was making a beat. And then I was like, holy shit, Prince.
Did you play your beat?
Wait, he just hung out at that point?
Yeah, I was like, yo, is there anything I need to do to the beat?
He was like, hold on.
That nigga got on the keyboard and he started, I swear to God.
He's on a record, though?
He was that cool, yo.
Did he get on a record?
Did he get on your beat?
Yes.
And then Snoop rhymed on the beat. And then Snoop rhymed on the beat.
And then Snoop rhymed on the beat.
And this record came out?
It came out.
What record is this?
It's called
Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Listen to it.
Oh, my God.
Let's make some noise for this.
But no credits to Prince on this.
No credits to Prince.
He probably walked away
and said, don't give me credit.
So when did he play the keys?
The nigga walked down and didn't even say bye.
How about that?
Fuck the credit.
He was like.
Poof.
Oh, my God.
Purple smoke.
Oh, my God.
I'm like, no way.
Purple smoke.
Yo, because producers live the illest life.
Like, producers live the illest life.
Let's just keep it real.
It's okay.
No, no, no. Producers live the illest life. Like, producers live the illest life. Let's just keep it real. It's okay. No, no, no.
Producers live the illest life,
right?
I mean, because
you guys
not only get to make
your own project,
but you get to go out there.
Like, with the big,
you wasn't there
when Big laid the vocals?
Nah, I wasn't there
when Big laid the vocals.
Who was you there
that blown you away
that laid your vocals,
laid their vocals
on one of your beats?
Lil' Kim and Foxy.
Together?
No, no, no.
They weren't together.
I'm about to say,
nigga, where this record at?
Nah, but I saw them
each time,
you know what I'm saying?
Like, when I was
working with Foxy,
I seen her
lay her vocals
and then I seen
Lil' Kim lay hers.
So, it was kind of dope.
Now we did LA LA right? Yeah. Now we did that together. Yeah we did. But they only went at y'all.
Was y'all ever mad at us for that? Like why the fuck Park A say come on?
That record was originally a Mobb Deep record right? No it was their record.
It is our record. The original white label said Mobb Deep record, right? No, it was originally for Stretch. It is our record. The original white label said Mobb Deep.
Nah, that's because
somebody probably...
Who I know, whatever.
I had that original.
I got that beat straight.
That was their record
and they asked us
to get on it.
Exactly.
And we was like,
we could have been like,
no, I ain't fucking with you.
That's right.
Who was doing the foul...
My very first...
Who was doing the foul
imitations of the West Coast?
All the slang.
Who was doing that?
Uh-uh.
The intro.
Y'all were saying, dog.
I don't, because look, this is how I remember it.
You tell me if you remember it different.
Um, I happened to be in Queensbridge just hanging out.
Like, I love 12th Street.
That was, I felt like I was a 12th Street nigga.
I'm from 57th Avenue.
You are a 12th Street nigga.
I'm an honorary 12th Street nigga, right?
Okay, boom.
So we out there, and then Stretch Armstrong is doing this bad boy mixtape
You remember?
I remember that mixtape
You remember it was the bad boy mixtape
I have that mixtape
I don't remember it, but
Yeah, this is what it was originally for
So it was a freestyle in a sense
In a sense it was a freestyle
Right
So that day a dude named Chaz from my hood
I remember
He was the flyest nigga from my hood
But he was the craziest nigga, right? named Chaz from my hood, I remember, he was the flyest nigga from my hood, but he was the craziest nigga, right?
So Chaz is outside, like, he confused.
He playing me New York, New York.
He like, yo, you think they dissing us?
So I'm like, I don't know.
I go to Queensbridge, right, to meet up.
We happen to, you know, be there.
And Stretch Armstrong calls and says, let's come to the studio.
So I think you had
the turquoise blazer.
Yes, I did.
Yeah.
My memory is a little good.
Yeah, the turquoise blazer.
So listen,
just in case y'all
thinking of a blazer now,
back then,
a blazer was like
a fucking caddy truck.
Yeah, I don't fucking remember that.
So look, this guy's got some memory of. Yeah, I don't fucking remember that.
This guy's got some memory of a turtle.
I can't tell you what happened yesterday,
but I can tell you when I come up,
I remember this shit.
I don't fucking remember that.
So everybody, we met at Stretch Armstrong's crib.
And I think back then,
Havoc had already gave us beats,
but we ain't putting nothing out.
But the original's on the original Dog Pound beat.
So this is what happened. That's what I did.
They axed us.
Stretch axed.
Yeah, I think we had already did.
And then Marley Mar did the remix.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
So what happened is,
this is L.A., L.A.
So what happened,
Stretch, I said to Stretch,
yo, I remember Chaz had just played me this.
So I asked him.
He was on something called a DJ list.
Back then, back in the days, you could send somebody a record and two months in advance
and your shit wouldn't be bootlegged.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Because if he was on a DJ list, it was just in the DJs.
So, I asked Stretch to pull it up.
We heard New York, New York.
We couldn't determine if they were dissing us or not.
So, technically, we didn't diss them.
We just rhymed.
Correct?
No, y'all dissed them.
No, we dissed them in the video.
I always thought it was a diss record.
I always thought it was a diss record.
Did that skin intro, man.
But I remember it was Prodigy's verse
they took it at.
Because he said,
he said,
JFK on our way to LA.
And remember,
remember. And remember, remember.
And then he used that on y'all album later.
But the original L.A. L.A. were all five of us.
Prodigy said NYC, you and I versus supremacy.
Havoc and P.E. Queens niggas, so it seemed to be mega.
Got word back from Noriega.
And that was on the original L.A. L.A.
Boom. Oh. I'm going to break it down for you. But he did that on. And that was on original LA LA. Boom.
Oh.
I'm going to break it down.
But he did that on.
Right.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Dan, he's versus somewhere else?
No, he's versus
somewhere else.
But it was originally
on LA LA.
He took it off.
And when he took it off,
I remember we calling
Steve Rifkin.
Steve Rifkin was like,
no, he doesn't want to be a part of this.
Really? Yeah,
you didn't. Damn, you didn't even know about it.
Make some noise for Happy. Who, who? I didn't want to be a part of it.
No, you stayed a part of it. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, let's make some noise for Happy staying a part of it.
But from what I
heard, now I never heard this from Prodigy
or Steve Rifkin myself,
but from what I heard, Steve Rifkin
said Prodigy didn't want to do it
And then the verse came on
The week
The day that we shot the video
Is the day
It came out
And you was only supposed
To come to the video
And then Prodigy showed up
He was right there
Yes
He was in the video
That's right
That's right
He showed up
Because it was an ill song
So he did his verse
Then in the video
No
No
Oh no
He was just like
L.A. L.A., big city between.
Right, right, right.
Shit was real.
But you're saying it wasn't a diss track?
Who said that?
No, no, no.
But then.
Because that intro was diss.
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was replaced.
But we heard it.
We all heard it.
But then that sounded like live nigga rap.
That was it.
That's when he used that verse.
That's when he used that verse.
But originally, L.A., L.A.
And then, here's my question.
Is Tupac came at y'all.
You know this is my record.
Did you ever at one point want to be like,
it's them niggas' record.
Like, what?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's my question.
But I didn't give a fuck.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I was like.
Because what did y'all do?
What was the record?
I love the record.
It just dropped it too late when you went back at Pop.
Drop a jam on it.
Woo!
Oh yeah!
Drop a jam on it.
Drop a jam on it.
But I didn't care though, because I was like, yo, this nigga Tupac, the nigga from Juice.
Right, right, right.
You know what I'm saying?
Like saying our name.
So I was like, I don't give a fuck.
Right, right.
Like who gives a fuck?
You know what I'm saying?
Because we got like
a hundred Queensmen
with us.
And we would fucking kill you.
But I love Tupac, though.
But at the time.
But at the time.
Did you realize how beef,
I mean, how big that moment was?
Like, it was huge.
Like, for Tupac to diss you,
it's like you go platinum or something like I'm gonna keep it
in real
But then I thought about I said I was super broke at that moment
To walk me but they came Hold it up, nigga. Shit. But then I thought about it. I said, I was super broke at that moment. So I couldn't afford no fucking Tupac beef.
But they came at you.
It's a fact, my nigga.
Like, at one point, on one arm, I was mad that he dissed y'all.
But then on the other arm, I was like, holy shit.
I wiped my sweat.
But y'all went back.
I didn't give a fuck.
You didn't give a fuck.
You dropped a gem on her.
We did drop a gem on her.
It's an crazy record. Because I always thought
that even if we did
see each other,
it was going to be like
whatever.
It wasn't going to be
no real shit.
Right.
You know what I mean?
We come from the hood,
so the real shit
is in the hood.
And these other niggas
is just rappers.
So, you know.
This is real shit
right there.
This is real shit.
You know, the fans and the people
want to know this L.A., L.A. story.
This is dope.
Like, you did my first video.
When that L.A., L.A. shit was out,
believe me, we was going to L.A.
under aliases.
Like, we couldn't just,
because Biggie got killed.
Yo, nah, I'm not gonna lie.
I remember this time.
That's true.
At this time.
What's the chronological order of that, though?
So when L.A. L.A. came out, what year is that?
96.
Right.
And Biggie had died when?
96.
No, no, Google, Google, Google.
I could swear that Biggie hadn't died yet when y'all put that record out.
Nah, he didn't.
No, because Pac died first.
Then Biggie dies.
Nah, nah, nah.
We need the Googles.
So this is way before Biggie had passed. Google when Biggie and Pac died, right? Yeah. Pac was in 97. Biggie dies. Nah, nah, nah. We need the Googles. So this is way before Biggie had passed.
When Biggie and Pac died, right?
Yeah. Biggie hadn't passed.
Pac was in 97.
Biggie was six months later.
So it's still 97?
But still, what'd you say, you went in alias names?
All I know is I remember
when all of that
stuff was going down.
Which was crazy.
It was the East Coast, West Coast beef.
Somebody probably didn't even fucking die yet.
Yeah, it was some bullshit.
You understand what I'm saying?
So when they did die, you understand, it was like, okay, bulletproof cars, names under aliases,
but California is a market that you have to be in to sell records.
It's like a huge market.
And it's one of our number one markets to this day.
You understand what I'm saying?
And I'm sure you can agree.
Yeah, I love California.
I'm out there August 27th.
I got a crib out there.
Let's make some noise for Havoc Flosser.
Havoc Flosser.
Havoc, you're an old school nigga. I just seen you. I have a timeshare out there. Yo, Havoc rolled up. Havoc Flossing. Havoc, you're an old school nigga.
I just seen you roll.
I have a timeshare out there.
Your Havoc rolled up in a yellow cab.
Let's make some noise for that nigga, my nigga.
He's not even in New York.
He's not even in New York.
You got some old school shit.
Because my Uber account was compromised.
The way your account is set up?
No, so when I use my Uber, somebody knows that I'm using the Uber.
How does someone compromise you?
Wait, wait, wait.
You have to explain this because I want to watch out for this.
I don't even want to explain it.
When I use the Uber, somebody knows I'm using the Uber.
You're not good with computers.
One time you got tapped, right?
They said that you said shit.
You're not good with computers, right?
You need to get the original phone tapped.
That's his segway.
That's his segway.
He's like, oh, shit, you be fucking up with computers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly segway That's his segway He's like Oh shit You be fucking up
With Confetti
Yeah yeah
Yeah yeah
Was those messages true
Like fuck it
Let's just keep it real
Let's talk about it
Fuck it
Let's just go into it
If niggas see the messages
I send to Gabon
Shit
It's all good
It's the same shit
It might not
You went a little too far
I did
You called him a faggot
And all that
You went a little too far
I don't even want to relive that
moment, but I was just, uh,
I was out of my mind at that second.
And I didn't mean it. I totally
understood that shit. Listen, I
No, but I didn't mean it, though.
But I didn't mean it.
Listen, if you could see the shit
that we say to each other, like,
in the middle of an argument,
there's no respect.
You come back later and be like, yo, my bad, my bad.
Of course, we fight dirty.
Me and Capone fought in Japan.
We fight dirty.
We fight dirty.
I mean, me and P.I.
How many fights you and P.I.?
Keep it real.
I want to fight me and Capone.
I'm going to just throw that out there.
I'm going to just throw that out there.
And I said it in front of Capone.
Who wins in a fight, UMP?
I'm always going to win against anybody.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
Let's go, let's go.
You gassing it up.
You snuffed him in Vegas, right?
Of course he's going to get gassed up.
My security is like 200 pounds.
We ain't talking about it.
It's your brother.
Security can't be involved when it's your brother.
Anyway, anyway.
You snuffed him in Vegas right
No no no
You foul
You foul
You are foul
That's definitely a lie
That's definitely a lie
I heard this
I heard this in the room
The room is
Yeah the room is
Now I gotta ask
You know people hit me up
On the DMs
I gotta like
You know I gotta jargon
You don't even check your DMs
Stop lying
On my Instagram
Yo my DMs is getting scary
On my Instagram
I search through Cause like Now you check them There's two different DMs Is getting scary On my Instagram I search through
Cause like
Now you check them
There's two different DMs
Right
There's one DM
No there's only one DM
From people who follow you
And then there's DMs
From people
Oh yeah
Oh those niggas
Is foul
Oh yeah
And they sent you
Pictures of some crazy shit
I fuck up on the computer
Too having
Listen look
Yeah yeah
Them niggas is foul
They be asking me weird shit
Yeah I don't know about those things.
All right, let's not go there.
All right, all right.
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Where was we at, right?
I forgot.
Me and Capone fought one time.
That's like, I forgot.
Good.
Me and Capone fought one time.
In Japan.
In Japan.
Did I say this story already?
I said it in front of him.
I said I won.
No, no, you didn't say it in front of him.
Yeah, I did. In the Dog it in front of him Yeah I did
In the dog pound episode
Yeah I did
Oh yeah he was there
He wasn't really there
He wasn't really there
He was knocked the fuck out
So what
Me and Capone
We spoke about it
On the podcast
What was y'all worst fight
Like you and P had
Our worst fight
Cause partners gotta fight
That's how you know
The relationship is real
Like if you ain't
Snuffed your nigga one time
Bang
Y'all niggas don't love each other That's not true know the relationship is real. Like, if you ain't snuffed your nigga one time, bang.
Y'all niggas don't love each other.
That's not true.
For real.
Definitely not. You gotta just, like, I'm talking about, like, when you got 20 years together.
I've known my dogs 20-something years.
Yeah, yeah, because when money is involved, I'm talking about money.
Money, money, money.
You gotta snuff your nigga one time.
It's a wrap after that.
It won't snuff me.
I'm gonna keep it real.
It's a wrap after that. We never snuffed me. I'm gonna keep it real. I'm body slamming him at the end.
We never had a fight.
You never had a fight?
We ain't no half-half.
You're not in a breakfast club.
You're not on, um...
You're not doing, uh...
No, we really didn't ever have a fight.
Nah, never.
But y'all came close.
I don't believe you, yeah.
Yeah, we came close.
But you did snuff him once.
We came close to a fight.
Cabone snuffed me.
We came close.
I never, never, never put my hands on people.
Because, listen, I know you're lying.
It's okay.
But you protect me and people.
And that's a great thing.
That's a great thing.
You got to take a nice word, man.
I'm going to tell you when you had a fight with him.
Oh, shit.
When he came home from jail.
That's the same time I had a fight with Capone.
When them niggas come home from jail, this is what we fucked up, right?
Me and you.
You gotta leave a nigga three
months. After a nigga
come home from jail,
the nigga still smell like Korg craft soap.
You gotta leave him alone
for three months.
We tried to hold these niggas down
and we came up and then you gotta fuck
them up. Let's just keep it real. Come on,
Havoc. We heard you beat prodigy up before
I think Capone is the only draw I had like it was it was a draw. Like, he snuffed me, though, first. This is a fact.
He came from jail.
And it still be in them, like...
It still be in them.
It should still be in them.
So you gotta slam them when they're here.
You gotta slam them when they're here.
I've seen Pone do some foul shit
right after he came out of jail.
I've done...
Listen, yes, yes.
Drain, drain, drain.
This is 12th Street.
We see it in elevators.
Does it run in 12th Street?
Is it like that in 12th Street?
It's in the water.
It's in the water. Let's make some noise for 12th Street water. We see it in elevators. Does it run in 12th Street? Is it like that in 12th Street? It's in the water. It's in the water.
Let's make some noise for 12th Street water.
I am so proud that you came through.
Because, you know, all this shit is jokes and laughs.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, the people, you're a legend, my dude.
You've done so much historical, monumental shit.
And we've done it, you know what I'm saying?
Seeing each other grow. And I just, the reason why I be joking and laughing is I want people
to know, because at the end of the day, I can't interview somebody at Drink Champs who
don't want to do Drink Champs.
Like, I can't.
They got to know what it is.
I can't.
I can't sleep this.
But you're about to start getting a lot of interviews of, like.
No, I mean, our shit is ringing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we stopped everything for
you and we got guess what we also got um we got what's that should go a bar bar what is it called
bartenders a bartender we got a bartender i forgot like i wanted to make sure i wasn't saying a guy
what is it because it's bartender we have we have a bartender We have a server. What's the guy version of bartender? It's the same thing. A bartender.
There's no gender in the bartender.
There's no gender in the bartender.
I think that hip-hop
should have our own race. Do you think I'm
retarded? Our own race?
Who said that in the last episode?
Was it you? I thought it was David Banner.
Our own race?
I feel like you should check.
Hip-hop is a race.
It's like white, black, hip-hop is a race like hip-hop is a race like I feel like like white black hip-hop like go hip-hop yep like I
feel like I understand that the W Hotel is my favorite hotel right my suit most
my favorite hotel right and in the W Hotel whatever W Hotel you got you got
the gay flag out there I don't care I'm good. Gave you all my people. It should be a hip-hop flag. But I want a hip-hop flag. Am I wrong?
What's a hip-hop flag?
What's going on with it?
What's a hip-hop flag look like?
I don't know.
Can we make a hip-hop flag?
My homie here.
Hoi can make it.
Hoi can make it.
We want a hip-hop flag.
Are you with me on this?
On the Drink Champs,
yes, you start a contest
if somebody didn't make the hip-hop flag.
Now we got homie who makes the club flag.
Hey, Hoi.
You know how they got the Jordan thing like that?
It should be like a hip-hop flag. Yeah, hoey. You know how they got the Jordan thing like that? It should be like a hip hop flag.
Yeah, it should.
Like, I am with that.
A contest.
Yeah.
And then, you know.
Because, just think about it.
Hold on, hold on.
Who told you to open a rose?
No, no, no, no, no.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
We're going to save that for afterwards.
Hold on.
Everybody else is saying what to do.
Hold on.
No, no, nobody else.
No, no, no.
We listen to him.
We listen to him. You have to listen to this moron. Unless Best Buy Lickers tell you,
my man, what's my man's name?
Let's pick him up.
D, D, what up?
D, pick him up.
Hold on, because we staying right here.
But listen, have it.
Listen, this is real shit, right?
Okay.
Like, we should have responsibility
of putting people in office.
Like, I told Talib Kweli, he came here,
and he was speaking all this shit,
you know, great shit,
about how we reform and do shit.
But I say you should run for either mayor or Brooklyn council.
Or the mayor of Brooklyn.
So why don't he?
This is what I'm trying to do.
No, I think he was down to do it, but he didn't want to talk about it yet.
Now we told David Banner, run for Mississippi or L.A.
But you know what, though?
When niggas be running for office, a lot of skeletons start coming out.
Donald Trump.
So that's why niggas don't.
But Donald Trump is disrespected.
He's like, he's changing that shit.
He might be fucking around to be the next president.
You could have any skeleton at that point.
And look, look.
So you're telling me, you're telling me the shit that Donald Trump do, right?
But he's white.
But he's white.
Yeah, but.
No, but I think the shit you said was genius.
That's why I said.
The smack DVD shit was genius.
Yeah.
He was like, it's like a Smack DVD.
He turned politics into a freestyle battle.
Right.
So what I'm saying is that's why we can't win under being black people, but we can win under being hip hop.
You understand what I'm saying?
Like we have people register as a hip hopper.
So wait a minute.
You got to make up your mind.
Is it a race or a party?
It's both.
But we'll never win.
I don't know.
Listen, I'm the guy who came up with it. It can't be a race and a party. It's both. But we'll never win. I don't know. Listen, I'm the guy who come up with...
You can't be a race and a party.
Yeah, why not, man?
Nah, that'd be racist at that point.
We gotta change some new shit.
Like hip-hopper.
They already hate us.
But what I'm saying is,
we can actually turn the world around.
Hip-hop owns the world right now.
Yeah, but we don't utilize it.
Yeah, but we don't got the power.
Culturally.
We don't got the power.
We could if we network everybody. That's what he's saying. That's what I utilize it. Culturally. Yeah, but we don't got the power. Culturally. We don't got the power. We could if we network everybody.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
Network everybody.
We negate everybody around the world.
And we don't need to have meetings, but you register under hip-hop.
So you could be any fucking nationality, and you register under hip-hop.
But that's a part.
That's a different thing.
I think that's a good idea.
I'm just saying.
I'm with both of those.
Because let's just say, let's just say, man, like, you know, hip-hop is crazy.
Like, you have brothers like Screwball from Queensbridge.
You know what I'm saying?
Legends.
And one of them passed away, right?
Two of them passed away, I want.
Screwball, one of them.
Yeah, so why wouldn't hip-hop come?
Like, it shouldn't be Mobb Deep's responsibility.
It should be hip-hop's responsibility when a person has dedicated their life to this culture and this thing.
We should have insurance policies for ourselves.
Health insurance for ourselves.
This is what KRS was saying, but even bigger than that.
He's been saying that.
Even bigger than that.
Do you agree with that?
Like, if you're an actor, there's SAG, there's all this shit.
You ain't got shit for hip-hop, nigga.
You ball and bust your legs
music should have
that hip hop in it
I would love to agree with you
but it's all just about
getting fucking insurance
period
as a human being
as a person
individually
you know what I'm saying
cause motherfuckers be dying
and leaving they
family with the bill
you know what I'm saying
and shit like that
when they can just get
life insurance
and life insurance
is available for anybody
and it don't cost that much
it's true
but you a part of a legendary group you gon gonna get money for the rest of your life what
about people who dedicated their life to this game and can't get another dollar out this game
but they they they spent every dollar they did but give an example give an example because
like a like if you could have joe schmoe on the block who thinks he's been winning in like a
sporty d like a school ball, like a cool Herc.
Like cool Herc.
Pioneers and legends, right.
Like if cool Herc is sick...
That's originally how...
Even Jay-Z was a part of that movement.
I think originally.
What movie is that?
That cool Herc and Afrika Bambaat and all of them should have some kind of...
Yeah, man.
If you're a sports agent and you get fucked up, there's something to protect you.
Right now, if you...
If a train hits your motherfucking ass...
If you're a sports agent,
then you're making bread
to get health insurance
and life insurance.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
If you're in the hood,
if you're fucking stupid enough
not to get Medicaid,
then you're fucking just stupid enough
not to get Medicaid.
No, but you don't feel like
people who dedicated their life... Like Like at the end of the day
Oh you talking about
Rappers and artists
I think when you said SAG
That's a perfect example
Of what I should have
But look
When they made the
Of course
There's not an organization
For people to put
Their money in
Musicians at the very least
Right
For hip hop
But at the same time
When you do make money
You shouldn't just
Spend it on jewelry
And cars
And all of this shit and expect me
to feel sorry for you
10 years later. So is that
the culture's responsibility too? Because we teach
in that too. It's not the culture, it's your
responsibility as a person.
Right. But if the culture's teaching that to the
youth that doesn't know any better and they grow up in that,
I'm just saying. The culture's not really teaching that
because they're not even advocating it. That's what I'm saying.
We shouldn't be like boxing. In boxing, there's no holds barred. You just get your're not even advocating it. That's what I'm saying. We shouldn't be boxing.
In boxing, there's no holds barred.
You just get your money and that's it.
But every other sport, they have unions and they have shit like that.
Yeah, but sport doesn't have that.
Hip hop shouldn't be like that. When I do a movie, I sign up.
These motherfuckers pay me for as long as this movie is being played.
You know what I'm saying as this movie is being paid. Right. Play.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, that shit is real shit.
Like, why hip-hop can't do that?
So, and then we have a union where we take a percentage out and, you know.
No, a union is definitely, I think.
That's a good one.
K-R-S-1 gets sick.
That's good.
That's good.
K-R-S-1 gets sick.
He gets some real shit sick.
You're going to pay into the union.
You're going to get out of the union.
You're going to need $500,000
And none of us gotta
Come out of our pocket
Because we've been payin'
Confident
No, no, no
But think about it
But think about it
But think about it
But think about it
But think about it
What about when you start
Runnin' into lazy rappers?
That's what I'm sayin'
No, no
You gotta pay into the union
You gotta qualify
You gotta pay into it
Yeah, you gotta pay into the union
And qualify
Yeah, but
Okay, alright
So you're not gonna handle Hip-hop as on Hip-hop welfare I mean, it's like Sac When he said Sac You gotta pay into it. Yeah, and qualify. Yeah, but, okay, all right.
So you're not gonna handle hip-hop as on hip-hop welfare.
I mean, it's like SAG.
When he said SAG, that made sense.
Wait, I don't understand.
Wait, hip-hop welfare?
Because it would become hip-hop welfare.
Because somebody would be like,
I'm a rapper just to get benefits.
But that doesn't have to be SAG.
You gotta put it in that work.
You gotta put it, it's like a pension.
What's work?
It's like a pension.
No, you gotta show your work, yeah. Yeah, like you know how you, like it in that work. You got to put it. It's like a pension. What's work? It's like a pension. No, you got to show your work.
Yeah.
Like, you know how you.
Like publishing, in a sense.
Like, if you work for 20 years.
I get it.
I get it.
It's a pension.
You get a pension at the end of your job.
Correct?
Like, if you work for somewhere.
You get a what?
A pension.
I thought you said a picture.
I'm like.
No.
No, a pension.
Nobody know what I'm talking about?
Yes, I get it.
I thought you said a picture.
A lot of y'all niggas work over here
I never had a real job in my life
Yeah I never had a real job neither
But I know that
I watched King of Queens
And
And King of Queens
Doesn't happen
He gets a pension
At the end of his shit
He worked for UPS
And that's what happens
In real life right?
But you know what though
Why we can't have that In hip hop
We get a pension
It's not realistic
Because there's too many
Fucking rappers
No but I'm saying
You gotta put in
You gotta put in your work
And you gotta buy into it
But what's work
You gotta buy into it though
If you ain't making money
You ain't gonna buy into shit
You know what I'm saying
And like publishing
If your record ain't doing nothing
Publishing ain't gonna pay
So we have to have a system
How about when you make money
Just buy yourself some healthcare
That's it
Yeah but
What I'm saying is
What about the niggas
Like God bless
Like
Like
ODB
Or DMX
They ain't gonna get no healthcare
I have it
Those are my niggas
That's they for
God bless them
They some wild niggas
Or the people that were here before
And I love them.
Before it got to where it got.
Like a cool hurt.
Do you not think that maybe someone like a cool hurt deserves something back from the culture?
Shh.
Do we deserve something back from the culture?
Yeah.
Of course.
Being that the culture was built on his back.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Yes.
Hell yeah.
But he's there before an infrastructure.
Before the infrastructure. Before industry was invested in hip-hop
Before anybody even believed in hip-hop as a viable means
Yeah, but if you get somewhere where, you know what I'm saying
Before the infrastructure, then, you know, what can I say?
What?
What can I say?
But anyway, let's get on to the topic
Yeah, yeah, nah, this is real.
I'm sorry.
I was getting political because that's something that's really close to my heart.
It's like, if you put in 20 years of work, anybody put in 20 years of work,
and, you know, some people not know how to reinvent themselves.
Some people don't know how to produce beats.
Some people don't know how to do a podcast.
Some people don't know how to DJ.
You know what I'm saying?
What happens?
You look at the NBA.
These guys stopped playing for the NBA, and they have options.
As a rapper, why can't we retire and say, I put in that work.
I paid my insurance.
I want my insurance back.
Boom!
And you get a nice lump sum and you get to go to
Barbados and chase chicks that look like
Rihanna. But you have to put in your work before that would happen.
That's what he's saying.
You can't just be that. Because you know what'll happen?
You can't be Joe Small on Toolball.
This is what'll happen when you start thinking like that.
When you go, okay, when you become a rapper,
you join into this thing, and then
you're going to get healthcare. It's just
going to drive the prices down when you go to perform.
If you was going to get paid $5,000, now you're only going to get paid $200 if everybody is getting into this system.
So it's a capitalistic market.
You understand what I'm saying?
And it's a free market.
You understand what I'm saying?
So if you want to put restrictions on it and regulations, then cool.
But next time you go to Russia or Switzerland to do a show, they're only going to give you $200.
No, no.
You understand what I'm saying?
No, no.
No, that's what's going to happen if you make it a system.
I don't see how that would happen, though.
No, no, no.
No, it will happen.
No, no.
If it's a system.
If it's a system.
But he's saying something more national.
It would drive.
We took Dream Champs to a whole.
No, I like this, though.
This is different.
This is different. This is different.
I don't even want another drink no more, right?
Because it's like Daz.
You see Daz?
Like, Daz did all these amazing records, and his royalty checks...
No, but Daz's retirement is his bud shit.
Yeah, his royalty check.
But his publishing is so crazy.
His publishing is crazy.
His publishing is bananas.
Your publishing got to be crazy like this.
And there's this thing about it
You're blessed
There's people who is not
Right
So whose fault is that though?
I don't know
I'm asking
Nah I don't think it should be
That combo over there
Is fucking me up
Go ahead
Nah so what I'm saying is
If the records ain't good
It shouldn't be
The concept
The concept sounds good
But once you do the concept
It's gonna drive prices down
For the rest of the people
that's trying to get paid, and it's not gonna be
a free market no more.
It's like we're having the producers.
This is a game of paying jack shit now.
Right, they're getting paid less.
But we rely on publishing.
You understand what I'm saying?
So I don't give a fuck what you give me up front,
because I'm already sitting and I'm living, I got my house, I don't give a fuck What you give me a friend Cause I'm already Sitting and living
I got my house
I don't care what you give me
A friend
As long as the publisher's right
Give me 75% of the publishing
Right
I'm more happier with that
Because that's gonna last longer
And then my kids can get that
Cause this is for my kids now
You know what I'm saying
So the publishing
In turn is doing
What we're talking about
In a sense
Pretty much
But not directly
You understand what I'm saying?
But it's a good concept,
hip-hop,
insurance,
and this, that, and the third,
but it'll just drive
prices down
and people away
from the business.
Okay, let's get back dumb.
We spoke too much.
All right, now.
I'm so worried.
Did I tell you my favorite
I'm having wine?
That girl who...
Yeah, Amanda. Amanda. Yeah, we need... Amanda Payton. We need? Yeah, that girl who... Yeah, Amanda.
Amanda.
Yeah, we need to change the ice.
We need everything.
She paid attention to the crowd.
Listen, did I tell you my favorite Havoc rhyme?
Did I ever say that just now?
No, no.
Go.
Let's go.
Let's hear it.
On the infamous album, you said,
I keep it real, packed still, like my nigga YG.
Come on, say the rhyme with me, Havoc.
When the fool try to play me
Wet him up
Then I'm sweaty
Forever
God
Forever wildin'
Come on you don't know your shit
Come on Javi
Y'all don't do that
That's my favorite rhyme
Come on Javi
Forever wildin'
It's how we live
Up in the bridge
You must hit skid
Cop act the guy
To hit a nigga like a big
25 Now I can't Get life Forever burning in hell must hit skin cop act the guy to hit a nigga like a big 25
not gay
and I'm getting
light
forever burning
in hell
niggas is tripe
it's the
semi-auto
you can bring it
on yo
I'm pulling out
stripping niggas
just like a porno
flick
I'm sick
tomorrow
thick
go past
when I click
again
I'm on some
bullshit
that's how I was raised
Each level is a stage
I have a crime of doubt
Plays in
Pulse of alcohol
Walk before you crawl
I'm in this
The witness
You gonna take a fall
The infamous
Queens bridge
You wanna see
And get creeping
On those who kept sleeping
I'll never do that
I'm wrong with two masks
Plus my crew backs
My every move
I choose Give them crews the blues I'm runnin' with two maxes Plus my crew backs, my every move I choose, give a cruise to blues
I'm open off the daily, obey me
Or get sprayed with the sweeper
Cause I'm a brother's keeper, the grand reaper
Rollin' with nothin', but big batters and big heaters
Blow your dreams high, leave you marked like Adidas
Jiggy, I know how to fix you
Pretty boy, niggas frontin' hard is the issue Word to my arm, boy, you get folded Like Adidas of this lifestyle. The 41st side get bent, run wild. The 41st side
too. You know how you do
violate, motherfucker. I'ma see
you with the Linden.
It's the start of your ending.
Setting it again and again.
Make some noise!
Make some noise!
That rhyme is so powerful that when I met YG, all right, I met the nigga.
I met him for two seconds.
He said, yo, whatever you want, my nigga.
I remember, listen, whatever that nigga asked me for.
I said, yo, that that's why Gee my nigga
Like yo listen man
I'ma be honest man
I hated these rumors
About us
Because
If there wasn't
No Mobb Deep
There wouldn't have been
No CNN
And if we never said that
I'ma say it in front of your face
I'ma say it in front of everybody
We 100%
You paved the way for% you paved the way
for us. Nas paved
the way for y'all. Y'all
paved the way for us. And
this is how life is supposed to be.
We supposed to get money for the rest
of our life and be old niggas
and drinking Tito's vodka
on a goddamn
podcast. Getting
drinks from a chick named Amanda.
Shit is live.
That's not too bad.
You know what I'm saying, Hal?
That's not too bad.
We can't complain right now.
I can't complain.
But yo, man,
yeah, that shit, you know.
You got your new album.
We've totally forgotten.
Come on.
This is up right now?
Is there a camera somewhere?
Yeah, we got cameras all over. Right, right, right. You've been taping the whole time. You can do a commercial right now. This is not right now? Is there a camera somewhere? Yeah we got cameras all over
Right here right here
You been taping the whole time
You can do a commercial right now
This is not a first week album
This is one of them albums
That you grinded out
For a lot of weeks
Right
Right here
And this is called
The Silent Partner
You know what I mean?
And it's produced by the Alchemist
And stuff like that
Shout out to the Alchemist
The whole project?
Yeah he did the whole project
If you look at it
It looked like a jazz album.
Jazz and the Taz.
Jazz and the Taz.
Guru and all that.
But, you know, I don't give a fuck.
Baby girl, can I get another one?
We have Alchemist on YouTube.
I'm having one of the other ones.
We're not letting Havoc leave yet.
This is dope, by the way.
Oh, thank you, baby girl.
We're not letting Havoc leave yet.
Not yet, not yet.
The album's dope.
The album's dope?
Wow.
Oh, you heard it?
Thank you, thank you.
I'm a fan.
Now, what's left for you?
Oh, man, there's so much going on.
I just wrote a screenplay, you know what I'm saying,
entitled Black Sheep.
You know what I'm saying?
The movie that I'm about to put out.
What's it about, roughly?
Roughly, it's about a black kid that was raised by a Mexican family.
You know what I'm saying?
Since he was a toddler.
Oh, you're getting deep.
I told you this nigga went to Art and Design.
Listen, Art and Design is a real school.
What inspired that story?
You got to be rich or smart to go to Art and Design.
It's a fact.
Me living in Cali.
Me living in Cali and just being out there and just checking it out.
You know what I'm saying?
It's all good.
But my next movie is called Killer Black, which is more straightforward. You know what I'm saying? It's all good. But my next movie is called Killer Black,
which is more straightforward.
Your brother.
You know what I'm saying?
Your brother, right?
Yeah, it's going to be loosely.
I love Killer Black.
Let's make some noise
for Killer Black.
You knew my brother.
Yes.
I love you, brother.
He was the realest nigga.
You knew my brother.
Yeah, he was a great guy.
Great guy.
And I, you know,
imagine, you know,
that's my brother
and he's not here right now.
Right. So I got a movie, imagine, you know, that's my brother and he's not here right now. Right.
So I got a movie loosely based on him that I wrote.
And it's not just bullshit like, you know, hood flicks or whatever it is.
Because let's just get to it.
Did you agree with Prodigy's book?
Like, let's just be real.
He said he didn't read it.
No, no, no, no.
I'm going to be honest with you.
And I'm going to say it again.
I didn't read it.
And the little things that I did read,
I didn't agree with it,
but I respected it
because that was his story.
His point of view.
That was his point of view.
So I was like, okay, cool.
And me and Prodigy is around each other
24, 7 days a week.
You know what I'm saying?
His life is yours. your life is yours.
Right, right, right.
So would you ever write a book like that?
And like, without, like, because I assume.
If I would have wrote a book like that, I would have wrote it.
But now that he wrote a book like that, I won't write one.
So you write the movie.
You write the movie.
You know, it's whatever it is.
So your brother, your brother's a Queens legend.
Not only a Queensbridge legend.
He was like one of the realest of the realest.
And that's your older brother or your younger brother?
He's my younger brother.
He's my little brother.
Your little brother.
Wow.
God bless, man.
God bless you, my brother.
But, yeah, you know, so my next screenplay that I wrote is called, you know, Killer Black.
And it's loosely based on my brother's story.
You know, you've met my brother before.
It's not going to be like a shoot him up, bang, bang type of film.
But it's going to really get inside the depths of, you know, my crib and shit like that.
You know what I mean?
What was going on.
Nah, nah, nah. Yo, your whole block, I'm just shit like that. Right. You know what I mean? You know what was going on. Nah, nah, nah, nah.
Yo, your whole block,
I'm just saying,
your block was,
was...
How much time,
how much time we got left?
We, we, we,
we don't give a fuck.
Whatever we want.
Because my fucking bladder's
about to bust.
Are you about to bust?
Everybody got to pee on this show.
This is the way we kind of end the show.
Maybe we don't.
All right.
Yeah, we,
how much?
We're on pause.
We're on at 75.
All right.
All right, we can do like five more minutes
and come back.
We can do like five, ten more minutes.
It's a beautiful day.
It's a beautiful day. I knew that.
I learned that from Vali.
I learned that from Vali.
And we thought about this years ago.
For real?
No, Charlamagne told me, he said, he came on our shit, and he said, yo, see, I can't
say no to y'all because y'all the drink champs, and y'all actually have drinks.
And Breakfast Club don't have breakfast.
He said, the Breakfast Club never have breakfast.
I was like, oh, shit.
The concept we have forever.
Breakfast and everything is going to sleep.
Yeah, go to sleep.
It just took us a while to get it off the ground.
And we tape it, we all in.
No, no.
But yo, but yo, that's, who thought of that?
Both of us.
With the drinks right here.
This is conceptual.
For real?
With the drinks right here?
Me and this nigga used to hang out, right?
This is how the drink chaps, in my mind, you got a totally different story, and it's fucking
great.
What, I have a different story?
No, I'm just kidding.
In my mind, you have a different story, because in my mind.
We used to hang out. I used to record in his studio. In my office in Kendall. In Kendall, yeah. He have a different story? No, in my mind. You have a different story because in my mind. We used to hang out.
I used to record
in his studio.
In Kendall, yeah.
He had a studio.
I used to record
and he used to play poker.
If you record records
and play poker,
it's pretty much
like the same time.
Like,
it's long as fucking half.
Right, right.
So,
he would be out there
with a big ass bottle
of Bacardi.
Look.
This one.
Look.
I had this religiously.
And I'd be out there with a big ass bottle of like either Ciroc. No, I had this religiously and I'll be out there with a big-ass bottle or like either sir I was drinking smear no it wasn't with Kindu, man. Yeah, man. Give some credit. You came down south and you went down. I didn't give him
no love.
We're going to give Kindu
some fucking love, man.
Let's give Kindu love.
Where's Kindu?
It's South Miami.
It's real South Miami.
It's like Long Island
of Miami.
Not really.
It's like the
Hempstead of Miami.
They even got
Homestead.
So you finished
the story you were
telling them.
How we started
Dream Champs.
Oh, yes. Your story. Yeah, so you would drink the Bacardi them. How we started Dream Champs. Oh, yes.
Your story.
Yeah, so you would drink the Bacardi.
I would drink the Grey Goose.
And then we would both finish.
So we both felt like, oh, all right.
You're a champ.
You're a champ.
And then we initiated Static Selector first.
No, no, but you're going way ahead of the story.
I'm going to wait until our hour.
We had mad friends.
We would get them drunk.
We had Netflix friends.
Mad friends. Oh, mad friends. Okay. We had mad people in the story. I'm going to wait until our audience We had mad friends. We had Netflix friends? Mad friends.
Oh, mad friends.
Okay.
We had mad people
in the studio
and they all
trying to drink with us.
So you had young cats
trying to drink
with older cats.
And they can't hang.
Now don't do heroin no more.
And one of the niggas
pissed in the cooler.
Remember?
Yes.
We had Sonny Son.
Nigga pissed in the cooler.
Long story short,
a lot of drinking
and then we was just saying,
either you a dream champ or you not a dream champ.
Right.
So then he made a song about it while we was there.
Dream champs.
The dream champs song.
Alchemist beat.
When did you make this song?
It was an alchemist beat.
Alchemist beat.
Alchemist beat, and then we had to change it.
We had to change it.
Because Alchemist sold to Mississippi.
Alchemist sold to Mississippi.
You didn't come and get a Havoc beat?
Which we deserved. Can I get a Havoc beat? Which we deserve.
Can I get a Havoc beat for my last album?
Can I get a Havoc beat?
Listen, once you say it on Drink Champs, it's a contract.
You can have it for free times ten.
Oh, damn.
That means ten other beats.
Listen.
I want to make something very, very, very, very, very, very, very clear.
We're recording, by the way, so let's go.
Havoc has always been a genuine dude, a genuine person to me.
Me and Prodigy has always been a genuine, genuine love.
I wanted to put this rumor to rest.
There's no beef with CNN and Marv Deep.
Obviously, man.
We had misunderstandings, but it is not beef.
We can get money together.
He stood here.
When everybody take a piss most of the time,
no, no, no.
Fat Joe started it off with taking a piss,
and we kept it going.
We kept it going.
But usually that's our cue to be like, it's over.
It's done.
Yeah, it's done. We rarely come back. I want that's the RQ to be like, it's over. It's done. Yeah, it's done.
We rarely come back.
I want to thank you for making that.
Y'all just recently celebrated 20 years of the Infamous album.
That album changed my life.
I don't give a fuck.
Even when I was beefing with P, whatever, that's my man.
I love him.
I love him.
I was just, hold on, hold on.
If it wasn't for that album, I wouldn't be here. Let me cut you off real quick. Beefing with P Whatever that's my man I love him I love him I was just Hold on That album
If it wasn't for that album
I wouldn't be here
Let me cut you off real quick
I was just
Driving in the car
With my homeboy
And I was just telling him
Like you know
The little bullshit
That P
And whatever
Nori had
I said yo
That shit is like
Laughable
Because I said
Them niggas is mad cool
Yes
You know
Behind the scenes Them niggas is mad cool Thank Yes. You know what I'm saying? Behind the scenes,
them niggas is mad
cool.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for
clearing this up.
And P will be here
next.
Yes.
Yes.
P will be here next.
Yes.
Yo, Prodigy,
wherever you at,
we love you.
Yo, you know,
I got P drunk in my
studio one night.
He fell out too.
I'm sure.
I'm sure.
He fell out too.
Ask nature.
I swear to God.
I was like,
yo, we didn't know what to do
Give him more drinks
Call an ambulance
We're like
You can't do that
Like this is mob deep
You can't do that
And then
And then the nigga woke up
And just wrote his rhyme
He stood on the floor
And wrote his rhyme
The nigga is crazy
My nigga
Prodigy we love you
My nigga
Please let's put this rumor
To rest
You know what I'm saying
Like we should go out here
And get money
We are olders And plus when older niggas Is beefing We look cor. You know what I'm saying? Like, we should go out here and get money. We are olders.
And plus, when older niggas is beefing, we look corny.
You know that, right?
Like, older niggas beefing, we corny.
Like, when you're 18, you're beefing.
Like, we fighting with canes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, we don't want to do that, man.
Havoc, man, I want to thank you so much.
And I want to, like, really just throw it out there that, you know, we really got genuine love for each other.
Like, you ain't asked to change up nothing
You knew what
What it was gonna be
You came
And I really appreciate this
Your album is out
Let's
Let's big that up once more time
Um
The Silent Partners
The Silent Partners
Real quick
Why do you
Why do you wanna say
The Silent Partners
Oh because you know what I'm saying
Um
In Mobb Deep
You know what I'm saying
You know who
You the dad
You get the big royalty checks You know who's the most vocal one In Mobb Deep And that would be Prodig know what I'm saying? In Mobb Deep, you know what I'm saying? You the dad. You get the big royalty checks.
You know who's the most vocal one in Mobb Deep?
And that would be Prodigy.
Everybody always look at me like I'm the person that make the beats.
Yes, I do make the beats.
And it rhymes.
But I do spit, too, at the same time.
And you hard.
You know what I'm saying?
And this is like, yo, you know, when I leave out of here,
y'all could throw this in the garbage or whatever.
Nah, nah, nah.
This is all going to be taken.
You crazy.
We hip-hop fans here.
I did not think that was going to occur.
I did not.
Hey, you know I don't smoke weed.
Yeah, nah, nah.
I ain't going to lie.
You always been the biggest drinker in the world
Yo you remember
I came out here
For my birthday
And you just signed the G-Unit
Oh shit I forgot about that
You just signed the G-Unit
I told you
I was like
Yo what the fuck did you walk me into
Wait wait
What happened
You thought I lined you up
Keep it real
No no no
I didn't think you lined me up,
but I thought that you
thought that you was
the type of person
that could drink kumbaya.
Yeah, no, no, no.
I forgot.
I live in Miami
and Fat Joe arrives.
You just signed the G,
you know what I mean?
Right.
Let's keep it real.
I was like, what the fuck?
I told you,
don't talk to this nigga.
I told you.
Yo, you told me not.
Listen, Havoc,
you my nigga. I love you. I came, though. No, you came. I came to the studio. You came. Listen, listen. Listen, Havoc, you my nigga.
I love you.
I came, though.
No, you came.
I came to the studio.
You came.
Listen, listen.
No, no, it wasn't the studio.
It was So Be Live.
It was the club.
Right.
So Be Live.
I was there.
You was there.
It was your birthday.
It was my birthday.
I came over.
I did not invite Fat Joe.
I went to your crib.
Ray Benzino was there.
Yeah.
You went to my crib.
Let's make some noise for Havoc coming to my crib.
It's all out of record.
So listen, I'm your man.
You didn't trust me that night.
A little bit because I told you not to talk to Fat Joe.
But as a real nigga, I got to do that.
Yo, I said don't do it.
These Puerto Rican niggas got knives.
I told you.
They look like it.
Wait, wait, you told us not to talk to him?
Listen, this is what happened.
This is my nigga.
Me, I got Havoc out here.
We wildin'.
We havin' a great time.
This is when P.A.S. is dead.
I remember the Sobe Live party.
I remember that.
So, I didn't invite Fat Joe, but Fat Joe was my brother.
I didn't think of him just signing the G unit.
So, but soon as Fat Joe walked in, he was like, yo, is that who I think it is?
And I was like, yo, that's my brother.
He with me.
So, he was like, he's good.
But I didn't feel comfortable.
I said, have, don't talk to this nigga.
And I was by myself.
No.
I was by myself.
No, you were with me, nigga.
You wasn't by yourself.
Nigga, you was running around.
No, I was running around.
It's my birthday party.
You was running around.
But I told you.
I said, have, don't say nothing to this nigga.
Just chill.
He ain't going to do nothing. But you went over there and was like yo it was like 10 puerto
ricans like this they were gonna kill you they were gonna kill you and i love puerto rico my son
is a half there's two times they was gonna kill you when i was there listen the new york new york
video because they was looking at me like this No the New York New York video
I remember
You just signed a G-Win as well
What was you doing there
No no no
It was rumors
You was out of line though
You was there and yo
I almost killed these niggas
These niggas start plotting on you
I said you crazy
You left for me that day.
You don't remember?
And you came to the hood lab.
I don't remember.
You came to my studio.
I don't remember.
This is a fact.
I don't remember.
And then that day of Sobe Live, I told you not.
And then it was great.
But, yeah, you got too much heart havoc.
That was too much.
Them Puerto Rican niggas was going to kill you in there.
They had me.
Yeah.
No, you good.
No, you was with me.
You was good.
But look, from what you saw
You showed them
I went over there
I seen Joe
I was like
You know what I'm saying
You know he did
With his people
And them niggas
Was like this
They was there
But I started walking
Towards Fat Joe
They was like this
Like they started
I told you don't do it
I told you
I told you
Listen listen
I was on the other side I forget what it was I it I told you I told Like I was Listen listen I was on the other side
I forget what it was
I took a picture
And I looked
And I was like
Diablo V
Diablo V
Diablo
Like you knew
You wasn't supposed to do that
But it was funny as hell
Because you got mad heart havoc
And you know what
People need to start
Recognizing that
People need to start
Recognizing that
You flew out here
To come see the drink champs
On your own dime.
You came here.
And you talked about everything.
You didn't tell me no restrictions.
And I just really want to appreciate you guys having 20 years of a classic motherfucking album.
That album single-handedly was...
It changed hip-hop, man.
It changed hip-hop, man.
You made a beat over the project.
It's fucking awesome.
I really
appreciate your contributions to hip-hop.
I really appreciate your contributions
to my career because
I want to keep giving it up to you and
Prodigy because, you know, a lot of people
get it misconfused. Like, you know, I like to
be funny, you know, whatever, whatever.
But, like, if I seriously say that,
if it wasn't for y'all,
it wouldn't have been us.
You understand what I'm saying?
And think about it.
Like, Prodigy,
like, his origin
being from Left Frack
or being affiliated
to Left Frack,
it was like we was
the second coming of y'all.
Sure did.
You know what I'm saying?
So, I got nothing.
And you worked on
the War Report.
Yes, I did. Yes, you worked on the War Report. Yes, I did.
Yes, you worked on the War Report.
Yes, I did.
How was it working on the War Report?
We going on 20 years.
Parole Violators.
Next year.
Parole Violators.
Parole Violators.
You know when I knew you was a genius?
I want you to answer the Parole Violators question.
But when I knew you was a genius, this is how I knew you was ill.
Every beat I ever did for you
in the beginning,
like, the original beat was it,
but then you went back
and did three different more versions.
Right.
I do that to this day.
Yo, to this day you still do that?
This nigga's a genius.
What beat machine do you use mostly?
Right, the machine.
Native instruments.
But before, what were you using?
Native instruments.
Back in those days.
Back in them days with the MPC, no.
With Hath.
The MPC.
Every time you do that, I'll be like, that's Hath.
Hath.
Sorry.
You'll give me three different beats.
I've seen him lately.
He be like, I'm doing the machine.
Hold on.
You don't got the Zika virus out here, right?
Because I'm skinny.
Nah, we don't even know what that shit is.
We might have it.
We might.
We in Miami.
You never know.
We don't even know what that is.
Only dark-skinned niggas get it. I thought he was about to make a beat.
I'm trying to be dark-skinned. Listen, you don't see, I'm in Miami,
I'm trying to be dark-skinned. You didn't get bit. I'm bit. No, no, we ain't bit.
No, not bit. No, bit, bit. No, you good, you good.
Oh, that's that New York. You come from New York, fresh from New York. Yeah.
Y'all was on an overseas tour.quitoes know if you're from New York.
Y'all was on an overseas tour.
You've been getting a lot of money lately.
I mean, y'all been on the tour this whole year.
I wouldn't say that.
Can we come on tour?
You did Smith and Wesson.
I'll take that person.
I was like, damn.
They couldn't holler at us.
You paid me, man.
We would have had a better tour.
Like, I mean, those are my niggas.
Come on, sir. But we would have had a better tour. Like, I mean, those are my niggas. Come on, son.
But we would have had a better tour.
We would have done, done, done.
All night, you would have heard that.
Nah, I'm glad y'all didn't come.
I'm glad y'all didn't come.
It was wild?
Because y'all niggas would have been snatching up my bitches.
So, you know what I'm saying?
So, I was like, nah.
How about you been getting bitches for years?
Especially Capone.
Yeah, Capone.
Y'all, y'all.
Tony Montana.
Yeah, yeah.
Tony Montana.
Is that a 12th Street thing?
Nah.
Did that start from kindergarten?
Or, like, when did that start?
Like, dark-skinned niggas, like, yeah, yeah.
When did that start?
Like, y'all niggas been knocking things down.
Like, back in the day.
Like, not recently.
Not recently?
Under the F-
Oh, excuse me. Excuse me. No, no, no Not recently? Under the F... Oh, excuse me.
Excuse me.
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying I got a girl now.
Oh, let's make some noise for having a girl.
We don't believe it.
Are you going to take another hit?
Three is my lucky number.
You take two more.
Son, I'm already...
We had KRS-One.
Whatever the fuck that is, I got it.
Oh, no, this is... When was the last time not whatever the fuck that is I got a little
pool when the last time you saw I feel like I got a smell on my face I feel
like I got a smell on my face is that shit is that's just not a bomb when When was the last time you smoked? Just now.
But before this.
That's the truth.
25 years. Five years ago.
Oh, wow.
For real?
I'm really like high right now.
You're an asshole, man.
You're an asshole.
I did it to KRS-One.
He slipped it to me, too.
He was like, here.
No, you can't fall for his stuff.
I do it to him all the time.
It was like real slick.
And it was like, shh. I'm like, what the fuck did you do to me? Yo, here. Nah, you can't, you can't fall for his. Yeah, I do it to him all the time. It was like, it was like real slick and it was like.
Yeah.
Nah, I'm like, what the fuck did you do to my ass?
You, you, you, yo, listen, listen.
Watch out, he'll give you a syringe.
I want to just throw this out in the air, throw this in the, you're officially a drink champ.
Yo, I ain't going to lie, Havoc, there's nobody who drink like you.
I was in SLBs with you one night.
You jumped on the motherfucking stage.
You was kicking niggas, all type of crazy shit.
I looked at it.
And you know, H of it is little.
But that nigga heart is much...
His heart is the size of the Empire State Building, my nigga.
Because I'm going to be honest.
If you would have told me to do the podcast, your podcast, I might have been like, nah.
Like, I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
You came out.
You flew out.
And you came in the lion's den.
And he's mad comfortable.
He's mad comfortable.
And he's mad comfortable. Because mad comfortable And he's mad comfortable
Cause he
You know why?
Cause he
He don't pay attention
Don't leave me hanging
He don't pay attention to the
He don't pay attention to the internet
Cause the internet will have you
Believe in some shit
I don't give a fuck about the internet
The internet will
Create some fake drama
That's some bullshit
And then you start believing the drama
You be like
Alright I think I do got beef with this nigga
Like you know what I'm saying
Cause it's the internet
We bozos
But I want to thank you again
For coming through
Stepping through
But let's get this money
You heard about this tour
Let's think about this tour
That's the train
Yeah that's Elliot Wilson's train
Yeah I used to run trains
On 12th street back in the day
It's not that type of train
Yo I ain't gonna lie
Yo let me tell you something
During that infamous album
Y'all made me want to rap.
Like, I had doubt.
I had doubted myself.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I had doubted myself.
Then I hung out with Twin.
And I hung out with...
Y'all went to the Palladium.
This is one of my favorite Queensbridge stories of all time.
When the Palladium was shutting down that night.
It was the last night of the Palladium.
And Nas had came.
Nas had the gold Lexus.
And Twin, I I was twins guest.
I wasn't.
Capone, I don't think.
No, Capone was home, but I think he was on the run.
He had shot a dude called Pat Poose.
You remember this?
Is my memory good?
Son, I even got more stories to it, but go ahead.
But listen, so this is my favorite Queensbridge moment.
Y'all had a show at the Palladium.
And it was like 900 niggas outside.
Sounded like the train behind you.
And then Nas drove through.
He had drove through in a gold Lexus.
That was like his first car.
And everybody opened up as Nas drove through.
And the nigga was smoking a blunt.
And he just said
Queen's bread
and I was like damn we need more people in my life
we need more yo I can't tell you but this shit like the million man marched to me my nigga
like I was like that was my favorite Queen it was at a mob deep show at the
Palladium and yo I would never forget that
for as long as I lived.
He really went back like that.
I don't even think he came
in the club this night.
I think he just came in and was like,
y'all niggas, because y'all did perform
like five songs.
And then y'all niggas beat somebody up and shit.
Yeah.
It was like pretty much like that, like that.
And then I was like, yo, you know what?
I'm bringing my whole hood out.
Like, when I do that.
And y'all was my inspiration.
That's what's up, man.
How much pussy did you have?
He just takes it down.
How much pussy did I have?
Yeah.
Not a lot, man.
Now he's downplaying it right now. No, I'm an amateur. I Yeah. Not a lot, man. Now, we're downplaying it right now.
No, I'm an amateur.
I swear I'm an amateur, man.
Nobody believes you have it.
No, I'm not.
You was knocking things down.
Singers and all that.
You was giving out dick for beats.
This is a fact.
Nah, nah.
I always was a family, man.
I always was a family.
I was just an amateur.
Was there ever a tour, a loud tour with pun alcoholics and y'all?
It probably was.
I do remember being around a lot.
You just don't remember?
Are you on your DMX shit?
You don't remember shit right now?
Are you on your DMX shit?
Nah, but you know what?
Dope.
Yeah, we used to be on the road with pun a lot.
Who else was there?
It was Pun.
Alcoholics.
M.O.P. was over there.
Alcoholics.
M.O.P.
They wasn't really around at that time.
That was kind of early.
Afterwards, yeah.
I wasn't being on Loud
because Loud was the label at that time.
The street label, too.
Did you see the inside of the label?
I never looked at Loud like that,
but they came out with some kind of documentary
that I didn't see.
You didn't see it?
No, I didn't see it.
When you say you didn't look at them like that,
what do you mean by that?
Yeah.
No, I never looked at Loud as some kind of...
Like revolutionary hip-hop.
Revolutionary label.
No, but I big Steve Rifkin up.
You know what I'm saying?
But when we got there, it was just in this infancy.
So when we got there...
Wait, what word did you just say?
Infancy.
The babies.
But I mean, now looking back, the artists that they chose...
Labels don't even do that today.
No.
You know what I'm saying?
Wu-Tang, y'all, Alcoholics, Xzibit, M.O.P.
When I think about it now, when I think back, I kind of regret taking it for granted.
But I didn't know what we was around because we had Wu-Tang and Mobb Deep.
Then Pump was dead.
So it was just really something that was like...
Was there a certain A&R at Loud
that was picking artists besides Steve?
Was Steve involved in that?
Not that I know.
Because once we got there...
How did you get to Loud?
Because Matty C and Scott Free.
Matty C and Scott Free.
Matty C is originally sourced?
I think he was the unsigned hype.
Loud was a cubicle when we first got there.
And they said,
yo, we got these
All this cold Wu-Tang
And I remember
Bringing it home
And listening to it
And I was like
You know
Cause you know
I'm on my own shit
So I was like
Whatever
You know what I'm saying
But then like
The next three months
Niggas in my whole hood
Was playing
They didn't even know
That I was in the office
In the same building
Right
Of the people that
Fuck with these niggas Right And then my whole hood Was playing Wu right. Of the people that fuck with these niggas.
Right.
And then my whole hood's playing Wu-Tang, and I'm looking at these niggas like, oh shit,
I could go back to the office and give them data.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
I could give them a little bit of data.
Like, this is what's going on.
This is what they don't like.
They gave me the CD.
I didn't know what to do with it, and then I just put it to the side.
But then the whole hood started going crazy.
My own hood, I was like, you like that?
I was like, I know these niggas.
You know what I'm saying?
Now, did you ever shook ones out on your own at first, and then Loud came?
And then shook ones for you?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We made it.
Loud gave us the budget, and then we did it.
And then we just gave Loud something to run with.
You know what i'm
saying they was like okay this is the song right here and he's like yeah and we took a chance
but that wasn't the first shook ones it was a shit one spot too right it was it was one that
you never hear you know what i'm saying and then when we put on part two is basically the remix
right so when we put out the first sequence, we put it out and then
nobody liked it. Nobody. Same beat? No. No, it's a different beat. It was a different beat.
So people was like, nobody liked it. They was like, so what's up? And y'all was on loud at
that time. Right. And they was like, what's up, son? We gave you a second shot. So I was like, all right, fuck it.
I went to the crib.
And then I just made the sequence that you hit.
So I made it.
Off the project stove.
And then I made it.
And then they was listening.
And then they was like, oh, OK.
And then they liked it personally.
So they pushed it.
You remember performing that at
How Can I Be Down at Luke's Club?
Of course
I was there
In Atlanta
No, no, no
Here in Miami
Luke's Club in Miami
How Can I Be Down was always in Miami
Listen, don't test him
He remembers everything
He had a tennis ball
I'm a hip hop dinosaur
From 1943
What club was it?
Luke's Club
Okabongos.
Glute Club.
He just had the Juvenile Hell.
No, no, no.
Fifth and Washington.
Fifth and Washington.
I believe you.
I believe you.
He just had the Juvenile Hell.
But we did a lot.
We did a lot of like,
you know what I'm saying?
That was early on.
You don't even have
the Juvenile Hell tape, right?
No, of course not.
You got to believe that, nigga.
If you got a Juvenile Hell tape.
I do believe him.
I don't own no more before. I do believe him. How much shit did y'all do when you first came out you know I got a
blur I feel like that is like a blur I was doing drugs
represent the DJ in the face but didn't but then I liked it Molly for a little
while too I'm going to keep it 100 I'm going to keep it 100
Molly was alright with me
For a little while
For a little while
For a little while
Sometimes I still be looking
When he came to mind
He didn't know what ecstasy was
And then it was a wrap
And then it was a wrap
I had six months
He went into space
Yeah I had six months
Of real drug abuse
How new
This is a fact
How new
I was like Prince
Prince with
No he thought he was Prince
Jimi Hendrix together
He was like
Yeah I was going to It was Gold Rush Gold Rush I was going Prince. Prince with Jimi Hendrix together. He was like, hey, hey.
Yeah, I was going to, it was Gold Rush.
Gold Rush.
I was going to Gold Rush 24 hours, nigga.
I was going there to get pancakes and a lap dance.
Fuck it.
Where's it at?
Where's it at?
No, it's still over at 24 hours, but it's classy now.
Is this Drupal?
It's classy now.
You can't, you can't, you can't.
Got bought out, got bought out.
I said, don't eat with a condom on already.
It's on.
My shit is on already. I'm going to foul, already. It's on. My shit is on already.
I'm on foul, man.
It's on already.
This is pre-marriage.
Pre-marriage.
Pre-marriage.
Pre-marriage story.
Thank you for throwing it out there.
Hold on, how long you been in Florida?
He's been forever.
No, no, no, I'm asking him.
Yeah, I'm foul.
I've been foul.
I've been in here foul teen years.
Foul teen years.
But people that don't know us don't know what that
number is. Yeah, this is
real shit. Listen, man.
Hold on, hold on.
How many years you been in Florida, my brother?
I think I'm like 10-ish. 10-ish?
You at 10-ish? 10-ish. Alright, so this your hood
right now. Because two of them,
I think I've been more than 10,
but I still had cribs
in New York at that time, so I can't really... But that don't count. Yeah, that don't count. But when I flew out 10, but I still had cribs in New York at that time.
So I can't really.
But that don't count.
Yeah, that don't count.
But when I flew out here, so I'm like eight.
I'm like eight strong years.
And he came religiously from Matt here.
Yeah.
So when you go like this, like, yo, around my way, you talk about Florida, right?
I ain't going to lie.
I've adapted that sometimes. I don't have around.
Listen, there's no like blocks out here unless you're in Overtown.
It is.
People hang out in cribs out here.
See, where we from,
you hang out on 12th Street.
You hang out on 97th Street.
The hoods is different in Miami.
The hoods is different in Miami.
Yeah, it's southern hoods.
What's the southern hood?
What's the southern hood?
It's spread out.
It's hood.
It doesn't look.
Oh, they'll kill you fast out here.
They'll kill you fast.
Yeah.
It's good. Miami, they'll kill you fast Out here They'll kill you fast Yeah Miami Miami they'll kill you fast
Listen
And listen
You know who I want to
Big up man
I know this is very awkward
But I want to
Big up Kodak Black
Oh for sure
The reason why I want to
Big up Kodak Black
Because I got to
Switch up my years
My years of living in Miami
And my years of living
In Broward
I also lived in Broward
And I've always been
And you never Repped Broward So now you're Repping Broward Now you're about to Rep Broward I was on living in Broward. I also lived in Broward and I've always been...
And you never repped Broward.
Now you're repping Broward.
Now you're about to rep Broward?
I was on parole in Broward.
Yeah, you're about to flip it.
What are you talking about?
What's the difference?
No, it's like...
It's different counties.
You know, I'll break it down good for you.
Easy for you.
Queensbridge and Ravenswood
is the same thing.
But it's not the same thing. I don't think that's a good way
Yes it is
Because it's right down the block
It's like Queens and Brooklyn
But it's like Queens and Brooklyn
Is it in Miami?
No it's not
It's in a different city
Different county
Queens and Brooklyn
Yes and Broward
Broward is Fort Lauderdale
You know Fort Lauderdale
Is it close to Miami?
Close
Yeah
It's like fucking
But Jersey is close to New York
It's the same shit
Yeah you can do Jersey to New York
I think Jersey to New York
Makes more sense
Yeah
And Broward
But you lived in Broward
And your studio's in Broward
Yes my studio is in Broward
I was on probation in Broward
So I wanted to be
And they now popping
With Kodak Black
Let's make some noise
For Kodak Black
Yeah Pompano Beach
That's what you know
Yeah And we got Havoc to smoke Bring Kodak Black. Let's make some noise for Kodak Black. Yeah, Pomper No Beach. That's what you want.
And we got Havoc to smoke.
Drink Kodak!
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We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper N.O.R.E. and DJ EFN.
Now, Havoc, Queensbridge.
I want to just be clear.
There's no beef with Capone or Noriega or Havoc.
I really appreciate you for coming here and just sitting here.
But this tour, is this something that you think that we can pull off?
I think that we could really pull it off and it would really be dope.
And I think that the fans would love it more than we even think.
I believe so.
You'll be huge.
I believe so.
I believe so, man.
I definitely believe so.
Hold on.
Let me light this
world corner.
You're going to like
this bolt shit right now.
You don't like this smell?
You didn't like it
when Currency was here,
so why the fuck
do you like it now?
No, because I was
trying to win.
Like when I win
my argument.
I don't mind it,
but you blow it
into my fucking face.
Are you petty, Havoc?
I'm a petty nigga.
I'm very petty.
Like, when you break up with a bitch
and you pull her a purse.
Is that a Queens thing?
The petty thing?
If you pull her a purse,
do you take the purse back?
It depends how much it costs.
I got to rhyme like that.
I said,
I used to buy a bitch's purse,
break up with him,
take the purse back.
Damn.
It's a fact.
I'm a petty nigga.
What the fuck? You surprised? And this is when I was rich, fact. I'm a petty nigga. What the fuck?
You surprised?
And this is when
I was rich, rich.
I'm still surprised
when you get petty.
Nah, I'm mad petty.
You don't...
Listen,
if Jay-Z called me
over a podcast,
that is petty.
That means rich...
All rich niggas is petty.
I think we should all
accept our pettiness.
Does anybody disagree?
I disagree. Listen, accept your pettiness. Have... Do you think you don't accept your pettiness. Does anybody disagree? I disagree. Listen, accept your pettiness.
Do you think you don't accept your pettiness?
I really accept it.
You ever took shit back from a bitch?
Did I ever what? Take shit back from a bitch.
Of course.
Let's describe the situation.
I got mad stories if you want me to go first.
I gave her 20 Gs.
And then we was about to break up.
I said, I want my 20 Gs.
And she gave it to me back.
Wait up.
Big up to her, though,
for having the 20 Gs.
I got to know what year this is
because I want to know
was her pussy sunshine?
Did you throw it in the air
and it turned into sunshine?
Was it that?
Was it that? Was it that?
It was sunshine.
It was sunshine?
I'm just joking.
I'm just joking.
But not every chick would have the 20 Gs to give back, though.
Huh?
What happened?
I mean, thank God she had the 20 Gs to give back.
Right.
Yeah, thank God for her bank.
Right.
Oh, she spent it and still had it?
How?
No, she had the 20 Gs.
I gave it to her, but she still had it, and I took it back.
But that's being an Indian giver.
That was fab.
No, I'm an Indian giver.
That was fab.
That's called pettiness.
And y'all from Queens, y'all established.
I don't think it's a Queens thing.
I don't think it's a Queens thing.
I shouldn't have said that.
I think it's a me thing.
No, I think it's a Queens thing.
Y'all established that right now.
Oh, you just, what?
Oh, you think Queens think it's a sped?
You just said that.
I'm saying I'm petty.
I ain't representing Queens in this moment right now.
I ain't representing Queens in this moment right now I'm representing me and but I'm asking my brother from Queens. Are you petty you said he said yeah
Okay, yeah friend. Have you taken have you brought a bit something and just say oh listen we don't you fucking lie
Let's time out you cut a bitch off For going to Cisco Video
You ain't even seen the video
And you stopped fucking with her
Listen, don't lie
That relationship was on the down slope
Hold on, hold on
Let's ask the one girl in the room
Besides the bartender
Is that
Come here, come here
You're not giving the full situation
You don't have to say her name
Is that petty
Listen, his girl called him I don't know if he was in love You're making up the story I'm You don't have to say your name. Is that Petty? Listen, his girl called him.
I don't know if he was in love.
You're making up the story, right?
Definitely, yeah.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Go with your fake story.
I'm just going with the fake story, right?
He found out his girl was going to Cisco Video.
And he broke up with her right there.
Is that Petty?
That's not the way it went down.
I'm dyslexic.
I'm breaking it down dyslexically.
What video was it? The thong song? It wasn't the thong song. though but it is in I'm dyslexic I'm breaking it down my girl she was an aspiring model at the time uh-huh no
you said no I didn't set myself up as soon as she started doing videos I was
done I didn't set myself up but she was a song song I'm like I'm out I'm out of
this video homie I'm a DJ I'm working this world. I'm not trying to be in the same room of dudes with my broad.
Nah, I'm out of there.
I feel you.
I'm out of there.
We just interviewed Cisco.
He was still mad about it.
Let's make some noise.
You all paying.
Listen, all I'm trying to say is.
That's a different pay.
That's a different pay.
You're trying to separate yourself from me.
And she was in the Jay-Z, Pimp C, and G.G.K. video.
I mean, the big pimping. She was in big pim-Z, Pimp C, and Gigi K video.
Big Pimpin'. She was in Big Pimpin'.
They put all the
champagne on her ass.
I'm out of here.
You tell me.
Yo.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Yo.
Wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, wait, wait, wait.
Thong Song was first, I was out.
Big Pimpin' came, I was already out.
I was like, thank God.
You got to piss again?
Having fun.
I'm sorry.
I got to piss this time too.
Hold on, will you pause?
Eventually, I have to piss.
And then we're going to close it out after this.
There's a Cuban piss coming.
Yo, that was dope, that was dope.
Yo, I didn't know it was a big ring here.
Yeah.
I love that shit.
I know.
But I was already out of that.
No, you made the right choice.
No, no, no.
The thong song, listen, because when I heard you,
I heard you.
And it was you, Wally.
Listen.
She wasn't with you, Wally.
I wasn't with you, Wally.
She wasn't with you, Wally.
I wasn't there. Yeah, I wasn't. I was thong. It usedi! He was in Uchihuali! I was in Uchihuali!
Yeah, I was out!
Huh?
I was out, I was out! I saw the future!
I saw the future!
I said, baby, think I'm in!
I'm glad I'm out of here!
There's no coming back from Uchihuali, though.
There's no coming back
from the thong song, dude!
He got hit, man. I was trying to throw you something like to save you out of here.
No, I'm proud of you.
Hold on.
I forgot what you want.
Those three videos.
And she wasn't fucking Ricky Martin's crazy song.
Ah, not Ricky Martin.
La vida loca.
Yeah, she was in La vida loca, yo.
Yo, she's so good.
Ricky Martin and me and Rare Bob.
Them three niggas are just naked.
She must have been a bitch.
Yeah.
Boy.
But that was out early.
Yo, sis, baby.
That's the point I'm saying.
Yo, sis, yo, sis.
Yo, I had bitches, nigga.
She must have been a bitch.
I had to go back to the podcast like the new Prince.
I think I had bitches, bro. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I didn't know if he still had blonde hair, but Sisqo still got bitches.
So let me just... this is a side interview.
Do you think Sisqo fucked that bitch?
Nah, but you know who I think did?
The cricket-lookin' dude from, um...
What's these dudes' names? Poison. What's the dudes' names from Poison?
Gilbert Duvall.
Gilbert Duvall. What's the cricket-lookin', what's the dudes name from Poison? What's the cricket looking dude?
Carlito.
Ronnie.
Ronnie?
I think homie did it.
He was.
No addition, but we about to come out.
Where Carlito at?
Pigeon's for the team.
Missing an action.
Shh.
That ain't good.
No, I said put that here for Margie. Your twin, no Snapchat, did they tell you? Actually
Twin no snapchat It's drunk. Who is it? That's it. Nah, but you invited him. Somebody had to send him a picture of my hair. It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy.
It's a twin guy. It's a twin guy. It's a twin guy. It's a twin guy. It's a new religion. I don't give a fuck. Can I ask him a producer question real quick? Yes.
Yo.
Are we having... It's what you call it.
You like the MPC or Machine better?
Which one's better for you?
It's a producer question.
Mad producers want to know.
The Machine.
Yeah?
Why is that?
Because it corresponds with the laptops.
The MPC won't do that.
The new one does, but, you know, native instruments beat them to it. The NBC won't do that. The new one does, but
you know, native instruments
beat them to it. The workflow.
Yeah, the workflow is quicker and better.
So I would definitely
say the machine.
And let me ask you the two-part question
before we get up out of here. Who's your
favorite producer? My favorite producer?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, my favorite producer my favorite producer yeah so who's a producer you will want to work with Quincy Jones whether you would want to rhyme over their beats
over they beat Quincy Jones That's hard I mean he made
Michael Jackson
So
Quincy Jones made a lot of
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we're gonna do it
and we're gonna make
an off the wall
if he told me
I'm gonna make
an off the wall
then I'm gonna
fucking agree with him
because I know
that he did
make an off the wall
you understand
what I'm saying
like listen to
off the wall
don't listen to
Thriller
listen to
off the wall
Michael Jackson hooked up with Quincy Jones and they did that are we going for a second time?
That's that we're all calling right now havoc. God damn it
No, don't kill our guest bro that That'll be the ultimate goal. Ultimate goal.
If one of our guests died,
I would die with him.
Whatever, whatever.
Or he'd stab me.
He'd stab me.
Yo, but Havoc,
let me tell you something, man.
Honestly,
from the bottom of my heart,
I can't thank you enough.
This ain't no Fordham podcast.
This is real life because, you know,
we have a career.
When you've been in this game
for 20 years,
this is a career. We built, we built shit career. When you've been in this game for 20 years, this is a career.
We built shit off of what we've done.
And I was so glad when you wanted to be the man, the big man of all four of us.
I got to credit you for this.
Because if you didn't come out here, there would still be dumb rumors of Capone and Noriega and Marv D, dumb beef.
You came out here
I really can't thank you enough
To appreciate you for coming out here
And just deadening these fucking
Dumb ass rumors
And let's get motherfucking money
Cause we are young black fucking people
Who came from the ghetto
Came from a similar ghetto
The same trains you gotta take to go to your hood The same trains you gotta take to go to your hood, the same trains you gotta
take to go to my hood. You the fucking
silent partner. And I just want to thank
you once again for putting these rumors to
rest. There is no Capone
and Noriega, Mob
Deep, Beef. There's none of
that. We are family. We're gonna keep
this shit going, keep getting money. This
tour is supposed to be possible
with Nas, Mob Deep, and Capone
and Noriega. And we want to motherfucking
make that happen, man. You know what I'm saying?
Let's get this money, man.
You know what I'm saying?
And you got that silent
partner, my dude.
Is that the note you want to leave it on?
I want to say real quick.
I rarely give
my last speeches.
You know what I'm saying?
But on the side of a DJ and a fan, and I'm telling y'all, there's DJs in the room right now, Havoc.
The records y'all made, y'all inspired us.
Yes.
We love playing those records.
Yes.
Those are hip-hop records.
Yes.
You know what I'm saying?
Those are classic records.
Yes. And we thank you
We thank you and Prodigy
And we thank you for the production
And the verses man
Thanks a lot
One last question
When you made Quiet Storm
You think that that was going to start a beef
Between Foxy and Kim
Did you know that or no?
You didn't know
I had no idea.
You had no idea.
And then Alchemist,
who was like your partner,
did Bang Bang,
which was like equivalent
to like Foxy answering her.
Was that bugged out?
Because, you know,
we didn't plan that.
We just was doing a record
and she came in.
Did you ever look at it like that?
No, I definitely didn't look at it like that.
You was getting too much pussy and too much money.
Nah, I definitely didn't look at it like that.
That's what the whole thing is.
Hold up, hold up, hold up.
You be minding your business.
That's real shit.
We did the quiet stuff and shit.
I was like, fuck it, they're Cloud 9.
Right, right.
And then I heard some shit that How 97.
Yeah, yeah, How 97 is 57 shootouts.
That's crazy.
But I didn't give a shit.
You know, I ain't really
care about all that.
Alright.
It never was about that
to me.
Because it just was too far apart.
You know what I'm saying? Like really like really really far apart and you worked your big
junior mafia those are my peoples you're gonna get trying to get our little seeds up here too
hopefully we get a little camo or foxy or somebody oh females ain't been with us lately
they don't like this why they i don't. I was surprised the bartenders came.
Did I say that right?
Every time you say that, I think of homie from the bartenders.
That's why I said it. It's a female word for bar.
It should be bartender out.
No.
Yeah, it should be.
Let's make up another word.
Goddamn, man.
Come on.
Was you ever befuddled by the interview at any point?
What that mean?
He's befuddled right now. I just learned that word. I learned that word. the interview at any point what that mean yo but listen have it once again I can't thank you so
much man I really appreciate you for coming here because this is all jokes man for the fans that
don't know we you know we play with the facts you know I'm saying like that's that's what it
is man it's drunk facts you what I'm saying And we have fun
And you sat in
You didn't try to change nothing
You did everything
That a real nigga do
We got so many people
Good sport man
Trying to come here
And I was
I ain't gonna lie to you
I can't tell you
I won't lie to you
I was so excited about this
I was trying to pick out
My outfit
Yo homie
He said he was gonna
Iron his outfit yesterday
Yeah I tried to pick out
My outfit early
But I fucked up I couldn't match the sneakers out my outfit early, but I fucked up.
I couldn't match the sneakers that I wanted to wear, so I fucked up.
No, no, no.
These are Supremes.
23.
These are very...
Supreme 94.
They're very limited.
He was excited.
I wanted...
Because my man Ray from 8 and 9.
Where we at?
We at 8 and 9.
Yo, we got...
We suck at promoting ourselves.
At promoting ourselves, yeah.
Yo, pick up our 8 and 9 gear, man.
8 and 9.com.
8 and 9.com.
Give me some exclusive J's.
I don't got them on now.
But they got the LJ's.
The Supreme J's, though.
These are exclusive shoes.
And they clean them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I ain't going to lie.
Don't look at my snake.
It's dirty.
I forget where I was at.
I was in Europe somewhere, Paris or something.
And I rolled over my own shoe.
I can't even swing on nobody. Like, I rolled over my old shoe. I was in Europe somewhere, Paris or something. And I rolled over my own shoe. I can't even swing on nobody.
Like, I rolled over my old shoe.
I was like, oh!
Like, I was like, oh!
You almost hit yourself.
You almost hit yourself.
I wanted to be the first nigga I smelled that didn't use deodorant.
Like, I was like, yo, nigga.
You the reason why Jay's is fucked up by Havoc, man.
Yo, this is real shit, man.
You got the album out.
Now, are you going to put on an artist?
Is it your turn to put on an artist?
Like, yo, like, with people, you produce people like Kanye, Puff Daddy, you know what I'm
saying?
Eminem.
Did you do something for Eminem, too?
Like, is it your turn to put on the new guy?
Nope.
It's not my turn to put on the new guy.
Keep doing what you do.
Be a selfish ass nigga.
No, no, no.
Don't make some noise.
You should be a selfish.
That was the selfish ass ass.
Nah, but.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
But what I'm trying to say is the person that I do put out is going to be really special.
So that's why I just don't like any artists.
Producing?
Or you might be working, homie.
Whoever the fuck he's working on. Whoever I put
out is going to be very special. Trust me.
Now, have you been looking for that type of artist?
A lot of stuff
been coming to me. Like really, really, really
good stuff.
Eddie Giggs is ready though, I think.
Eddie Giggs.
Eddie Giggs, where you at?
Eddie Giggs, can you sing your favorite song? Chi Giggs. Eddie Giggs. Eddie Giggs, where you at? What's the name of your song?
Eddie Giggs, can you sing your favorite song? Chi-Chi-Chao, what's your name?
Chi-Chi-Chao Man.
Chi-Chi-Chao Man.
Eddie Giggs, where you at?
Come on, come on, Eddie Giggs.
He's got the best song.
He got a demo.
He got a demo.
Eddie Giggs, Eddie Giggs.
Yo, listen, this is the ass eater on the show.
Chi-Chi-Chao Man.
It's the ass eater.
Do it, do it, do it.
Do it now.
Chi-Chi-Chao Man.
I don't remember. What's the verse? Chi-Chi-. Listen, he's famous for eating that. I don't remember.
It wasn't the first.
Chicken chow mein.
It was a half a verse.
I don't remember.
Listen, it's not a real thing.
You don't want to hear it.
What is it about?
Chicken chow mein.
Yo, this time you don't want to hear it.
Sing it, though.
Chicken chow mein.
You want to hear it?
Yeah, you want to hear it.
You want to hear it?
Have it.
You want to hear it.
Yo, stop being a bitch.
You want to hear it?
Hell yeah, man.
Yeah.
Play chicken chow mein.
Play chicken chow mein.
Play chicken chow mein.
You got to find the friend.
You got to find the friend. That's my word. Nobody's going to sing that shit. Play chicken chow Mein. Play Chicken Chow Mein. He's got to fight the crowd.
That's my word.
Nobody's going to sing that shit.
Play Chicken Chow Mein.
It's horrible. Oh, he's going to play the song.
It's horrible.
But he won.
But you got to rap the Chicken Chow Mein.
Yeah, rap it, play it, and rap it.
I don't remember.
Oh, yeah.
What's the word?
What's the word?
All right.
But tell Havoc how much ass you ate.
I want some Chicken Chow Mein.
That's what I get out of it. That's what I get out of it. Okay, come here, Eddie. But tell Havoc how much ass you ate. I want some chicken chow mein. That's what I eat. Okay, come here, Eddie.
Tell Havik how much ass you ate.
If you had to count how much asses, assholes,
you ever...
I don't got enough fingers on my hand.
You don't have enough fingers on your ass.
It's already done.
Let me ask you something.
Use the EFM mic.
Let me ask you something.
Hey, pause.
Was you offended or was you into like, into when they said,
eat the booty like groceries?
Was you pro or was you con?
I was singing along with it.
Nah, he said he's like Costco.
But did you ever reference that?
No, no, no.
So what do you call it when you eat ass?
I eat ass.
Well, where does it all go?
You don't got a special word?
He eats ass, Troy.
Like, you ain't with your bitch and you be like, Chupaculo. You don't got a special word? He eats asteroids.
You ain't with your bitch and you be like,
you don't want to do it.
Get away.
Get away.
God damn.
He don't even have a special night. He just eat ass.
Just ready to eat ass.
Hashtag it eats ass.
I've seen him eat a porno bitch ass.
Live.
She just did ass porn.
Yes, yes.
Havoc is like, these niggas is crazy.
No, real talk.
Havoc, no joke.
Let's end it on this note. She did ass porn.
And Eddie said, I love the booty.
Now, let's ask Havoc.
Let's ask Havoc.
We ask all our guests this.
Do you eat ass?
I'm going to be honest, Javi.
You look like you...
You look like you visit the ass corner often.
It looks like you hang on an ass block.
I'm going to keep it 100 with you.
He's on Ass Avenue and ass block. I'm going to keep it 100 with you. He's on ass avenue and ass block.
It looks like he in the projects.
Assonio.
Come on.
Keep it real.
We're the drink champs.
You got to inspire these young people.
I got a white.
I got a white.
We didn't know that.
We didn't know that.
Let me be respectful, man.
We didn't know that.
Hip hop is respectful. We didn't know that. We didn't know that. Let him be respectful, man. We didn't know that. Hip-hop is respectful.
We didn't know he had a shout.
I think he should have said that from the beginning.
We've been going in for half an hour.
You're just not listening, man.
No, he did.
Yes, he did.
And you're not listening.
Havoc is crazy.
Thank you.
Really appreciate you for coming.
Having fun.
This is jokes.
And you got the album out right now.
It's called Silent Partner.
Silent Partner is out right now.
And you said what's next.
We asked you what's next.
You said you're going to find a special artist.
You got a script that you're writing.
And is there any other thing that you could, you know.
Yeah, it's going to be definitely crazy
the movie that I'm about to put out right now.
Mmm. Mmm.
And wait, wait. Can we do a Dream
Champ song with Havoc producing it?
Oh, yeah. So just put it. Havoc is a Dream Champ.
Y'all did the original Dream Champ song. Let me just tell you something.
Let me tell you something. Where the mic at? I've been everywhere.
Right, right, right, right, right. Listen, man.
I've been everywhere. He's a Dream Champ.
He trying to be cool. No, he's the original Dream Champ. That's what I'm saying. He's being right. Listen, man, I bet everyone, he's a drink champ. He trying to be cool. No, he's the original drink champ.
That's what I'm saying.
He's being cool.
Listen, listen, I seen having drink gallons.
This is my fact.
And hold it down.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
E&J.
Did you love E&J at one point?
Or Danny?
Which one do you like more?
E&J.
E&J was cool.
E&J was cool.
Tell the people who Danny is.
Because people didn't know that in the South.
St. Ives.
St. Ives.
Oh, nasty.
St. Ives.
Who drunk that shit before?
I drank St. Ives.
I drank that shit because of your song.
St. Ives, Mad Dog 2020.
You drank MD 2020?
Special food?
Hell no.
Oh, well, we drank that shit.
Hell no.
That's like...
And Cisco.
You ever drank Cisco?
You drank Cisco.
Cisco...
Cisco's disgusting.
If you from Queensbridge, you drunk Cisco.
We drank Cisco here.
But they ain't really selling it out there like that.
Yeah.
They sold it in Jamaica Avenue
They sold it in Kendall
So let me ask you the last question
Did you tell Prodigy you came in?
Last of three by the way
Did you tell Prodigy you came in?
Woo
Why I gotta tell somebody?
He's a grown ass man
Because listen
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