Drink Champs - Episode 175 w/ Russell Peters & Freddie Foxxx

Episode Date: September 20, 2019

N.O.R.E & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. This week we welcome Actor and Standup Comedian Russell Peters and Hip Hop Legend Freddie Foxxx aka Bumpy Knuckles! The Champs and our guests discuss how similar the world of comedy and hip hop run parallel to each other. Russell and Foxxx give their opinions about the evolution of comedy and hip hop, and how the different generations of the genre interpret the game.Russell Peters shares stories about how he developed his comedy style, growing up in Canada, “Indian Privilege ” and clears rumors about beef with Aziz Ansari. While Freddie Foxxx shares stories about investing in himself early on his career and earning respect amongst his peers. Foxxx also drops gems reminding the Drink Champs Army about the records he wrote for other artists and much much more!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And it's Drink Chats motherfucking podcast. Make some noise! We'll be right back. biggest players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number one source for drunk facts where every day is new year's eve it's time for drink champs drink up what a good beat hopefully it's what it should be this is your boy n-oO.R.E. What up, it's DJ E.F.N. And this is Drake Champ's Happy Hour, Military Crazy World Radio, and a bunch of other shit put together. This is hip-hop. Make some motherfucking noise! Now, right now, we have a real combination.

We have hip-hop royalty and comedy royalty. On one hand, we have a man who's broke barriers. I've been watching him all day today. He has jokes, Irish jokes. He has Indian jokes. He has Arab jokes.

He has black jokes. He has white jokes. And all of them actually come out to see him. It was the most amazing thing when I went through all his catalog today. I said,

he has United Nations of fans. This shit is hard. Then on the other hand, you have a brother who is hip-hop royalty. I mean, Relentless has been there. I was watching his interviews today, and it was crazy because when he actually spit,

like when he spits during, you can tell that's where he's more comfortable at. Instead of talking, he loves to spit. So I was just watching. I'm like, after all these years, all this time, for a man to still, you know, love the game like this. He writes, he engineers, produces himself. So these are two legends in two different worlds.

And I'm so glad that they came together. If you don't know who we're talking about, we're talking about a comedian, Russell Peters, make some noise! And we're also talking about royalty, the king shit right here. You know, Freddie Foxx bumping up his major. First of all, let's pick up the Best Buy Lickers because we finally got the water bottle

survived. We was out here hating. BestBuyLickers.com. Out here making this money with Revolt and don't have none. You know, I think this is the first time we should set it off with a shot. Can we do that, Mr. D? Can we do that? Why you acting like you running the camera?

Like, come on, brother. You just staring at me. I don't know what you're saying. You don't even look like you should. The managers do not reach over there. I'm trying to tripod. Let's start it off with four seconds, because you know what? A tiger bone?

Wait, are we doing a tiger bone? No, no, watermelon. Watermelon. I'll do a watermelon. I prefer a tiger bone then. Oh, no, no disrespect to the water. No, no, watermelon. Watermelon. I prefer tiger bone then. Oh, no. No disrespect to the watermelon. No, no.

I'm going to do watermelon. I'm going to do watermelon. All right. I'm doing Colombian wine. Okay. That's fair enough. So I want to take it because like I said, today I wanted to go through because I knew you as a person.

I knew you as a hip hop. I don't want to say ambassador, but like a hip-hop friend, like a person that's... He is hip-hop. Exactly, but what I'm saying is he embraces the culture. He has a whole other job. I seen you at a party with Kool Herc, he was there, Melly Mel. So the thing is, I was going through

everything that, you know, I could go through. And one of the things is, you have the most diverse audience like ever. That's the goal. How the fuck do you do that? I have no clue how I did it but now that I got it I'm trying to keep it.

Isn't that hip hop? That's hip hop. That's where it starts. It starts as one group and then it spreads. Because obviously the majority of the people who come see you are Indian. Not necessarily the majority because the people who come to see you are Indian not necessarily the majority because there's

different people like you have the Arab am I saying that correct no I'm saying it sounds fucked up but it's funny

if you're saying it's all Arab money then maybe you're saying it's correct no because you kept saying what kind of what kind of Arab

are you Arab because you don't I mean you have a fan look Arab as fuck I, EFN look Arab as fuck. I do. After 9-11. Before that, I was Mexican and Puerto Rican.

No, real talk. I'm Cuban. I'm Cuban. So you're a good swimmer. Okay. Man boats all day long. Where's this shot? Where's this shot?

You don't want watermelon? I'm drinking watermelon one time. Are you kidding me? This is the smartest bottle on Earth. That's a great story, buddy. I'm going to put it behind you. I'll drink my own product right now. I don't think he'll get mad at that. I don't know if y'all know, but this is about saluting people. We are giving them the flowers where they can smell them, the trees where they can, hell

where they can think them, and the drinks where they can drink them. Now, Freddie Foxx, moving on to you. You have one of the most illest careers as well meaning you actually produce your own shit you actually write engineer you every part of the aspect of the game

how did you develop that mentality of being so hands on with your stuff I think it happened because I started to notice that you know you start seeing people do things that just don't are not consistent with how you move i started trying to teach myself 20 years before i needed to know it how to do it so then in 20 years when i want to still be making music i didn't have to depend on somebody to book studio time for me i was wait you know people got other projects i didn't want to wait for beats self-sufficiency

i just i figured if i start teaching myself how to be uh self-contained then i wouldn't have to wait around for people to you know so i started investing in myself studio i should i had a studio when cats was still trying to figure out how to get in your house correct in the crib yeah but how long into your career where did you start doing that right away like right away like power play days remember power play days like like power play days before me no after eric b but okay power play days you know you know power play i hate when he opens his you know you know power play that's like

I immediately felt Like my arms got big Because I used to have To carry the rails Yeah The rails These motherfuckers With this internet shit

Y'all got so lucky Like we used to have To carry little dolls To the studio It was so heavy We had to pay A couple 115, 140

15 to 140 dollars For a two inch tape And I started realizing You know what? There's going to be a time that's going to come when we're not going to have labels that's going to give us budgets

or whatever the case like that, and I just started just saying, you know what? Let me just start learning that. So Herbie Lovebug lent me an MPC 3000, and I practiced on it until I learned how to make beats,

and then I made a couple beats, sold them, then I made enough money to buy my own, and then, or 3,000. And I practiced on it until I learned how to make beats. And then I made a couple beats, sold them. Then I made enough money to buy my own. And then, you know, I wrote the Salt-N-Pepa album. I wrote What a Man. Oh, shit, I was right. I wrote None of Your Business, Big Shot, Groove Me, all of those songs and stuff like that. So I started making money and buying my own stuff.

You know what I'm saying? And I just wanted to know how to do it on my own. Because when you really love what you do you teach yourself how to be the best at it you know i'm still i'm still learning because because you know it's always constantly a process you know now how was it um the relationship with flavor unit because i know at some point you guys was was there but then you like separated and started to do your own thing well in the beginning you know i was really really comfortable there you know and then um you know business happens things happen and then it just went went crazy because i think they got overwhelmed with all of these artists

you know and i had in 93 when i did in 1993 i did hot potato with naughty by nature right and that was actually, I recorded it actually in 92. But it was a 1993 album. And when they put it out, that's what got me to look. That's what Shaquem and them started doing. Shaquem wanted to sign me because they saw they asked me to come to a show. I performed.

It was a very commanding performance. I don't think they were really used to seeing MCs just step to a spot on the stage and give it to the audience. You know, nowadays you watch cats perform. They turn to me back. They looking at their phone. They're not even looking.

They're rapping into their phone and shit like that. They confidence. Yeah, you know, you from the era of terror. So, you know, you had to get out there and give the audience, you know, give the audience what you came to give them. First off, you had to kind of let the audience know that you wasn't scared of them. Because everybody was just tough at that time. So, if you came out like a sucker, the audience would treat you to give them. First off, you had to let the audience know that you wasn't scared of them because everybody was just tough at that time. If you came out like a sucker, the audience treats you like a sucker.

Is that like that in comedy? It depends on the rooms you're doing. I remember doing the Bronx BBQ in like 96. Did you have a bomb? Oh, fuck yeah. It was like 1.30 in the morning at the Bronx on a Saturday night. The first two cats got booed off and then I was like, the first two cats got booed off,

and then I was just the third guy about to get booed off. It didn't really matter if I was good or not. I'd be like, fuck you, pretty motherfucker! And I'm like, at the same time, I felt like it was a compliment. I was like, well, thank you. I feel quite pretty right now. That means I'm like, how are we going to do this? I'm pretty.

So, it was ill for me, for you, because when I was looking at your child history, you had a Jamaican friend. You had a, oh shit, that's you? The one in the blue shirt. It seemed like all these friends were Jamaican. Yeah, they were.

So, the thing about it is, what is that? That's in Canada, friends are Jamaican. Yeah, they are. Come on, those guys. So the thing about it is, what is that? That's in Canada, you guys? Yeah, Toronto. Toronto. But it should remind me of Queens so much because I don't know. That's exactly how it is in Queens. Queens is all West Indian.

I have every fucking nationality. Yeah. And you own every nationality. In my building. So how was that growing up? Because like me, it was crazy because I'm half black and half Puerto Rican. So I would always hear

all the bad black jokes when I hang around my Puerto Rican friends. And then I would hear all the bad Puerto Rican jokes when I hang around my black friends. Yeah, right.

And I always had like a medium of both. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. How about you? It's insane. See, the white kids were real bullyish

when I was growing up, especially in the 70s. Right. So, and in Canada, being Indian was the lowest form of human you could be. No way. Yeah, yeah, we were treated like shit. Like, oh yeah, yes, not below you motherfuckers, that's for sure. Yeah.

You don't know what it's like. You don't know what it's like. Because at least y'all had physical recourse. I was built like a fucking third world kid. I was skinny. My knees looked like I was smuggling walnuts into the country. And I didn't know how to fight. And I would just get spit on and kicked and punched and called names.

And then the only time it never happened was when I hung around the black kids. I was like, well, I see where the safe zone is, and I'm going to be there. And then Marlon and I have been friends since we were seven years old. I'm 49 now, so. So, and he was always strong as shit. When he came to Canada from Jamaica, I was like the first person he met. We lived in the same townhouse project type thing. Oh, you're actually one of those niggas that came from Jamaica.

Oh yeah yeah. Cause everyone say that he from Jamaica like he's Canada. He really from down the block. Oh yeah yeah. He had a fucked up life cause his stepdad bought him a one way ticket to Jamaica when he was 14. Oh wow. And then he had me go and find the money to get him back to Canada when he was 15 and

he came back extra Jamaican wearing bell bottoms and shit. I literally went to the airport to pick him up when we were 15 and he showed up with a bucket with like fish in it, like live fish. I go, what the fuck did he do? Yeah, it was 85, 86. I go, what's that? He goes, they bring back two fish. And I go, why are you talking like that? So I was there for a whole year, man. I come back, I'm like, what's going on? What happened to Stacco that left? Now, Freddie Fox, it was a rumor that if you would have went to go see Eric B. this one day, that there might have not been a Rakim.

I'm sure there still would have been a Rakim. Would it have been Eric B. and Freddie Fox? It could have been that. Because you didn't want to leave your group. Yeah, what happened was the kid, there was a cat in our neighborhood, Alvin Tony, who was cool with Eric. Eric knew him.

And he stopped me, waved me down on the street. He said, yo, man, there's a cat I want to introduce you to who's looking to do a project. And is Eric working at BLS at the time? Eric was working at BLS. Who the hell was Eric doing at BLS? He was a mobile disc jockey.

I didn't know this part. He was a mobile disc jockey and he was going around doing a lot of these different projects. He wanted to put together a rap project, and he had people in Long Island he knew out in Wanda. Something called the Tri-State or something like that? Yeah, so he came out, and he was looking for, they were like, yo, who's the nicest rappers out here? So the kid was like, yeah, there's two guys that you should really talk to. I just happened to be driving by at the time and they flagged me down

and he asked me, say, yo, man, I got this project that I want to know, you know, know if you can get down and I heard you can rhyme. And I said, yeah. He was like, well, you know, you know, when can I get, when can we meet up? I said, yeah, well, I'm on, I was on my way to a rehearsal actually with my crew. So he was like, I said, so we'll be there. He said, nah, I just need one person. So I kind of felt fucked up. Like I can't, you know. Like he's selling out your boys. Yeah, I can't leave my boys fucked up and then do that.

So I just decided, you know, after thinking about it, not to show up because I just went to the rehearsal. And I said, yeah, I'm not going to do that because why would I take them to the meeting? He's not going to want them anyway. And if I go, you know. But you ever imagined life would have happened happened if you would have went by yourself? Nah, I don't know. I don't know, man. I kind of think Rakim is a better fit with Eric than I was.

And as you see, it happened. You know, me and Eric ended up working together. But I think him and Rakim was destiny. You know what I'm saying? That's like a real hip-hop answer from someone who cares about the moment. I'm being honest because most people could say what they could have, what it should have done. But even to this day, I just want to rap.

I just want to rock the mic and make music. A lot of dudes get caught up in trying to fit in with everybody else's movement and what they doing. And when shit switches, they switch. I'm not really good at all that shit. I just want to get on the mic, go in the studio and come out with what I want to leave here for when I'm

dead and gone. I got a legacy of music that I mean I haven't even begun to tap into my catalog and Russell's always I harass this motherfucker all the time

to release shit like he just sits on he got he's got at least 11 albums completed that he's sitting on like two of them right now

so let me ask you something that both of you guys this is not a question for one of us. This, I was like, again,

I was searching interviews and I came across Daddy O interview, right? After, it was something about, you talked about Rakim or something

and then Daddy O came on and Daddy O said that Rakim committed the worst lie in hip hop history and I had to click on it because I'm like,

what the fuck is he talking about? Do you know what he's talking about? No. He said that he felt that Rakim didn't want people to know that he was from Long Island at the time. Like, Long Island was cool to certain people,

but it wasn't cool to everybody. So that's what he said. It ain't where you're from, it's where you're at. I didn't agree with that at all, but the fact is this is daddy. Oh, this is Also another legend He has I don't I guess he has a certain problem with rockin, but it's not the first time after I look Yeah, no, but but that do you did you agree with them at all? Speaks out-of-p pocket a lot but more so to get

attention oh yeah you think he's true like he's true you think all this is me clear because it's still daddy oh listen it's still daddy oh I love you but but nobody wants to represent this people out there. I would buy it, but I'm saying in the masses, I mean, you would have to be like Daddy-O from Stetsasonic

unless you're a real hip-hop nerd like us and you'd be like, ooh, shit, Daddy-O got some shit coming out. But I always feel like Daddy-O is like

kind of borderline seeing out when he says some of the stuff that kind of, because you can see it in his eye when he says it.

It kind of like has that look of, and he certain things he has points what he said he still credits rock him for being like one of the greatest uh things that ever happened when he took seven mcs and so what so what what it is is do you think that statement do you think at that time, because I mean, obviously, I was a youngin' at that time, so I wouldn't know. I always came up, Hempstead was a cool place to go, that was a dope place. It was ill to claim Hempstead when I came up, but was it ever like that? Was Long Island ever like, looked down upon? You know what, I think people slept on Long Island because, well, first of all, let me back up. Rakim's statement, rough enough to break New York from Long Island, was a very powerful statement.

He always represented Long Island. I've never not seen Rakim represent Long Island. Even with a Brooklyn crew, he had a Long Island crew. He's always had Long Island on his back as long as I've known him. I think that because they felt like dudes in Long Island have front yards, back yards, and shit. Dudes in South Jamaica have the same thing. You know what I mean? Exactly. I knew that.

It's not a place, and you know a lot of my boys. You know the cats from out there. They rumble. Of course. They real cats. It's not a place to be slept on, but I guess if you look at the history of Long Island Public Enemy, De La Soul

Rakim Granddaddy IU K-Solo, EPMD Granddaddy IU There's a lot, I mean there's a Biz Markie There's a bunch of Long Island legends That just Have been so

Instrumental in hip hop You know what I mean, And if you think about it, I mean, Daddy-O was running around in Amityville, bro. The interview with a guy who, when he said that, he said everything you said. He named all the rules off. Yeah, and there's a bunch of them. Rap's new generation.

There's cats who represented Long Island heavy. Rakim has always been at the pinnacle of that group of MCs. Sam, pardon me for changing the subject a little bit. For instance, when I came out, it was cool to be from Queensbridge. And I used to have to differentiate

and tell people, I'm not from Queensbridge. I thought you was from Queensbridge. I didn't find out until later that you was from Queensbridge. I had to say Left Frack 3,000 times. And to say that I was proud of it because it was so much, we were overshadowed. You know what I'm saying? You to say left frack 3,000 times in the record. Left frack city. And to say that I was proud of it because it was so much, we were overshadowed.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you got to think about it. You had Capone, Noriega, and Trash. All right, the common denominator is, you know, Trash is, got put on by Marley Mar. Marley Mar is Queensbridge. Great G.

Marley Mar, deepest Queensbridge. Even the problem is, he said for a lot of times that he wasn't from

Queens Bridge but what happened was he was just over mauled

you know what I'm saying I was different because I was saying not only

I'm not from Queens Bridge but I'm telling you where I'm from

but what I'm trying to say is it was so cool I could have

easily took that route Queens Bridge just let it ride I knew

I couldn't have came back home you were the only rapper from left rack I think right I know I can tell you I back home. You were the only rapper from Left Rock, I think, right?

Well, Akineli. Akineli's from Left Rock. And G-Rap, on the low, lived in Left Rock. Well, I can't say he's from Left Rock, but he lived in Left Rock. That's right. Akineli's from Left Rock.

I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. I'm soul sisters. Soul sisters. So, you know, I know everybody from Left Rock. Yeah, yeah. I know.

Those motherfuckers made it. They did made it. But what I'm trying to say is So I somewhat Saw Where Daddy-O was coming from To a certain extent

But again I didn't live in that era So I couldn't identify with it But I just didn't see I never see Another legend Critique Rakim at all That's my first time

But you know what it is I think With Long Island That's Daddy-O's statement Would probably. You know what it is? I think, see, with Long Island, that's, that heel statement would probably be more valid if it came from somebody that was from Long Island. He's from Brooklyn. So,

in Long Island, Rakim is revered as the god. That's the god. You know, in the game, period. But, you know, I've never, yeah, I've never not seen him represent Long Island. I disagree with that part, you know what I mean? Especially when it comes to, like, you know, some of To me too. I've never not seen him represent Long Island. I disagree with that part. Especially when it comes to

some of the lines in his records. He's always been a Long Islander. I'm still scared every time I see Rakim. What's up, God? Rakim was probably one of the most easy. I used to go, we sang out at the crib, man, easy going, quiet, easy going dude.

Like, you know, I never seen him write a rhyme, though. I'm not saying he don't write, but it's like you don't never see him in write rhyme mode. He's so mysterious. I want him to remain mysterious. He's good that way. It's crazy. We had Mass Appeal, right? And we had a little great meeting.

And I was like, yo, Eric B and Rock rock chemist performing for the first time in 20 years, you want to go see him? And I was like, hold on. I don't know what you're asking me right now. Because if you're asking me, is it the night up to me? Let's fucking go. And we went. And what was it?

This was the first night where they came with the long, when they got back together. Oh, yeah. The Apollo? No, it wasn't the Apollo. This was the first night when it came with the long when it got back together Apollo no, it wasn't Apollo. This is this was Gucci long And Me and Nas went we went there we went backstage said what's up, but that wasn't the part That was amazing the part that was amazing that's when they was performing album cuts the cuts that was out of my league Nas knew every fucking word

and I was just watching him you know why cause he was always in the studio when we was there like we be in the studio

man just sitting around guns everywhere and this little motherfucker be sitting in there bro just soaking all that shit up

he was always he was always a kid yeah he was a kid he was always I mean listen power play was a few blocks from the project

so he was always around him in mean, listen, power play was a few blocks from the project. That's true. So he was always around. Him, my professor was around. He's from Vernon Boulevard, so he could actually walk. He's walking distance from 21st Street. No, no, he's walking distance. Yeah, walking distance was a few blocks. Especially if you're starving.

Yeah, he's walking distance. That's a fact. Well, for him to be in those sessions makes sense to who he became. Yeah, he was young, man. And I think, you know, legend has it, like, you know, Eric was interested in working with him. Yeah, he was young, man, and I think you know, legend has it, like, you know, Eric was interested in working with him. With Nas. Whatever reason didn't happen, Eric was very

interested in working with him early on. You know, and then I think Rakim and him just started to get more movement after the album came out. Eric and Nas are still close to this day, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, very close. I just also watched a Christmas special day though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, very close Also watch that Christmas special of yours. Sorry about that

You wrapped it when you there was no curses No, that was none Christmas I was like what you do? I had my 10 month old daughter on it then they did a curse to with my daughter. Yeah, you reminded me of Khaled so much. You know how Khaled got shawed everywhere? I was like, yo, you know what's funny? You just had a new boy. I just had a boy.

Let's motherfuckin' make some noise! I got two daughters. Let me tell you the ill shit about my son. Okay, alright, cool. Okay, so I first met Nori last year. We went and had drinks at his spot in Malibu. That's right. Goddamn it.

Let's make some noise. That's right. That's right. And I've been a big Nori fan since CNN. Since Top of New York and all that shit. And when I met him, I was like, this is a cool motherfucker right here. And then I found out his name is Victor Santiago. And I walked away from that meeting going, that is a cool fucking name.

That is a fucking dope ass name. Then when I had my son two weeks ago, I named him Russell Santiago Peters. That's hard. So that's like the black Spanish godfather. That's right. I mean, he's already Spanish, so you've got this coverage. Oh, you got it from your same mother? No, no, a different one.

I'm a black guy. You're going to have the same mother? You are into that. Yeah, she was Miss Honduras in Miss Universe. Wow. So that's not the same one as your daughter? No, my ex-wife is Honduras in Miss Universe. Wow. So that's not the same one? Not the same one as your daughter? No, my ex-wife is Honduran and Ecuadorian. Apparently, my jizz reacts well to Honduras.

Honduras. I got Central American located. This my man. He's from Honduras, Peru. He's my bestie. He's from Peru. He's from Honduras and Peru? He's a Peruvian fat joe.

That's the young joe right there. In my mind, he's always from Honduras. I don't know why. He's been telling me that he has Peru, but I don't know why. But, so, wow. So, look, you know what the crazy shit is? Whenever I see, like, a new father, I love the way they break down, like, being a hot older father. Like how you is.

Like, you know how you be like, it's just like. You got kids? I just found out his shit was working. I'm not's just like, I just found out his shit was working. I'm not gonna lie. We just found out his shit was working. For years, he's been busting his shit.

How old are you? He's 43. Okay. I'm 49. I'm all fucked up about this. Obviously, his shit's still working. And I wasn't hoping it wasn't.

I thought I had a starter pistol by now. Oh, shit. Y'all fucking me up right now. Hold on. So, look, I was saying, I love hearing, like, when the father is new,

because it's like, you ever hear somebody, like, from Europe that came to America one time and they try to break America down to you? They're like, because it's in the States. You're like, come on, buddy.

Yeah, yeah. He was in Nebraska for two days. Don't tell me about in the States. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, yeah. So, that's how I feel, like, when you see a new father, like, when they got the baby He was in Nebraska for two days. Don't tell me about in the States. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I feel. Like when you see a new father, like when they got the baby,

and it's like, all right, cool. They're only a year old. Wait till that terrible two comes. Yeah, she's not here. That's when shit is good. You got a daughter? Yeah. Oh, you're lucky.

Daughters are the best. Oh, no, I know. Boys are worse. I actually have a daughter. Daughters are cool till they hit 13, 12, 13. Then they start that bullshit. I know boys are worse. I have a daughter who's a lady 13 She's all daddy right now, but I'm sure that's gonna shit you should go shit was one though, like she wasn't even one. She still ain't married?

She still hasn't slept in a year. Yeah, that's her, you say that. She hasn't slept in a year. And they pissed you the fuck off. Well the good news is she understands that it costs a lot of money now, because I had to make, I had her, she had two bedrooms in my house.

And I told her, baby, you got to give up one room for your brother. Which one do you want to give up? She said, I'll give him my pink room. It was the really girly room. I said, what about, so you're going to keep the castle bedrooms? She goes, yeah. I go, do you want a new bed? She goes, no, daddy, that bed cost you a lot of money.

I was like, whew. Thank God she realized that. That's a good kid. Now, Freddie, you ever thought hip-hop would be this level? What is this level, though? It's a level where...

He must be business-wise. I meant business-wise. I meant lucrative. Because at the end of the day, a lot of people who did it before me, a lot of people who did it after me, it wasn't as lucrative for everyone mm-hmm and now it seems like anybody can you know child the best by lickers by the way he provided the lickest that's by

liquor calm your best one looking doctor don't give me the shit for free Is that water? No, that's the watermelon. Oh, all right. That's a real shot if that is. If that is, you're real. So, um, what the fuck I was saying? I was into that. Yeah, because, you know what I'm saying? To see how easy it is. Like you said,

back in the days, you had to go to Power Play, Unique Studios, Chung King and shit like that. Nowadays, a person could literally sit in their mother's living room with a computer, a mic, you know, put some reverb on their shit, throw it out, and get 50,000 viewers on SoundCloud.

It actually changed their life. In one aspect, I'd love to see anybody from the hood get out and make it. But then on another aspect, they don't learn the tools of the game. They don't learn the battles. They don't know the, there's just outspitting. All they say, say, I was around two months ago

and they got a record deal. What's that feel like to you? Well, you know what? The funny thing is that the learning curve was different. Like, I was in a studio with Patrick Adams

who did Push Push in the Bush. Oh, wow. Yeah, he taught me how, he taught me how to use keyboards, program keyboards. He didn't actually say, hey, come here, learn this. When he was doing it, Push Push in the Bush Oh wow Yeah He taught me how He taught me how to use Keyboards Program Keyboards He didn't actually say

Hey come here learn this When he was doing it I was paying attention I was asking questions What's this What's this Oberheim thing What does that do What's this compression do

What does that do Doc Rodriguez Chris Conway You know a lot of Legendary engineers On Herb Powers I used to go to Mastering on Herb Powers

I would pay the extra money To sit in there to watch him master my album so that I could learn the difference. I'm not really feeling the whole how-to book shit that's out now. How to rap. This is how you hold a mic. This is how you write a book. There's shit like that? That's not hip-hop. Yeah, to me, that's bullshit.

There's a lot of how-to, and I think that is damaging to the fan base because those same cats that you see in the audience that used to be the ones excited to see you on stage, everybody's looking. They want to be with, they want to be on stage. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be on stage, but the celebration of mediocrity is a problem to me. I think that, you know, it's almost like we can sit around here And crack jokes all day

But if somebody Step on that stage With a mic And it's just you And the audience It's a whole Another ball game It's the same

In the comedy game As it is in the hip hop game You got like These kids that were like Good on Vine I had one kid one night I was hosting at the improv I like to host

Because I can get up And freestyle And fuck around I heard you say I thought you were Just saying that on camera Yeah no I do like to do that.

I just like to do it. So I was hosting. Remember Marlon Wayne said that too. Marlon Wayne said he just liked to go and he'll do it for free. Yeah, it's just fun to fuck around. So I was hosting this one night and there was this kid I never knew.

I said, hey man, what do you want me to say about you? He goes, tell him I have 500,000 followers on Vine. I go, no seriously, what do you want me to say about you? He goes, that's a big deal, man. I go, no, seriously, what do you want me to say about you? He goes, that's a big deal, man. I go, okay, buddy. Right? So I introduce the guy, I go,

he's on, he's just on, he's doing seven minutes or something. I put him on, he eats a fat dick on stage. Meaning bombs. Yeah, he bombs. I come back home. I hope that wasn't good. I hope that's not a positive.

What do you mean? Of course it's great. So he comes off, I go back on, and I go, give it up for whatever his name is. I said whatever his name is. Give it up for him. Apparently he's good for seven seconds at a time. Oh, shit. Oh, divine.

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at fucking Mike Tyson punch out and then you think you know what I think I'm ready for a fight and then you get in a ring with somebody

and you're like you know you thumb on them to death I think honestly one of the illest things illest quotes I ever heard was Karasun when he

said, rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live. It's the truth. And I think that goes with hip hop. I think that could even be in the comedy world. Like it's a culture that you've got to experience it. You've got to live through it to embody it. It's my 30th year. But I personally put myself through a grueling training

thing. I would never do records with anybody that I didn't think was better than me. And I'm still that way now. I'm real, really like, I want MCs that make me say, oh, shit, I really got to write this. You know what I'm saying?

Like KRS-One, Tretch, G-Rap, you know, yourself, guys that I've done songs with. You know, even to this day, man, I'm very particular about who I put my voice, because I mean, you know, I'm very particular about who I put my voice.

Because I'm always thinking about when it's over. Right. Like for me as an agent. Like legacy. You're thinking of legacy. I'm thinking about when people go back years, 30, 40, 50 years now and say, yo, I found this record with this guy named Bumpy Knuckles on it. And him, Coogee Rap, Little Fame, or M.O.P., or whoever I did songs with,

they going back bar to bar. Like KRS-One is pressure. When you rock with him, Coogee Rap, Little Fame, or M.O.P., or whoever I did songs with, they going back bar to bar. Like, KRS-One is pressure. When you rock with him, it's pressure. If you go on stage with him, it's pressure. He can, at any given moment, just pass you. He can just, at any given moment, just start rocking off the top and just say, So, Freddie Fox, you want to go to hell?

And then you got to get up. You know what I'm saying? You got to go to hell. You know what I'm saying? You got to go to hell. I'm going to just throw you right in the loop, and then you got to be ready for that shit what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? The motherfucker just throw you right in the loop and then you got to be ready for that shit. One time I had a show with K.R.

I told you this. This was like in the NRE days and they had me going last and I was like, this ain't right. I was just like, this ain't right. Luckily, he showed up late. I had to go first and he came on, he rocked for two hours.

I looked at the promoter, I said, what the fuck was I supposed to do after that? What was I supposed to do first and he came on he rocked for two hours. I looked at the promoter I said what the fuck was I supposed to do after that? He stops it at some point he just has a speech he just talks to them he's talking about absolutely nothing But it's the most amazing shit in the world. I'm sitting there like this. I'm like in a cult. He would tell me, drink some Kool-Aid

and let's die. I'm going to say, let's go, Chris. Like, that's how crazy his shit is, man. He's got to say shit because he pops up. He comes into your city

and he pops up. Right. He shows he doesn't hang out in the dressing room prior. He shows up when it's time to get out the car, go to the stage. He has his whole fleet with him. I mean, I've done some things with him, and

it's always been, and what I was trying to say is that that kind of pressure to me, it was a training thing. You know what I'm saying? It's like when you box, you know boxing because your dad was a fighter, and you know, when you go into the fight game, you don't want to work out with guys that just teach you how to get fighting bumps yeah you want to fight people better so you can get better

like that's what i always looked at it as that you know that's real shit that's real shit so let me ask you have you ever been like um accused of indian privilege what the fuck is Indian privilege? You mean, I mean, like, I'm above getting malaria? What do you mean, you're a slumdog millionaire? Like, I get better service at 7-Eleven? What do you mean? I have to, like, you know, look, I got to do my research.

And sometimes people say, people say, like, most of your audience is the Indian audience. So they come out and they support you and then Is that your fault though? I'm asking you. I had to look at your haters the same way I looked at your positive people. So I had to and that was something that they accused you of. Like Indian privilege? I don't even know what that is. I never heard about it. What would the privilege be again?

What is white privilege? White privilege is that thing that you can If you get pulled over you're not going to get shot. What is white privilege? White privilege is that thing that you can Well there's that and then you don't even know that you have white privilege and I see it all the time because you see the way they act they act like just they're just very comfortable

wherever they are because they know you can't do that So you've never heard of that like no because in Canada the poor communities are black and Indian

where in America the poor communities are black and Hispanic reggaeton and reggaeton there's a lot of artists who sometimes

they'll sell like 30,000 units on 30,000 seats. But when the album comes out, they won't sell shit. It's because they feel like Latino people come out to see you more than they actually support you. Yeah. So have you ever been accused of something like that?

No, because my audience is real diverse. I mean, in the beginning, when I first started getting popular, it was heavy Indian and Chinese-Asian type thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got the Chinese accent down. Right. And then over time now,

it's been spreading, so... And Bumpy actually just DJed one of my shows for me recently, and he saw the audience is completely mixed now. Yeah, you got white, you got everything. Yeah.

I mean, if there's white people there, it's usually because they have an Indian friend. Right. Or they're fucking an Indian person. You know what I mean? Is that on their fucking name?

Yeah. But the Latinos come out because they're like, well, he kind of looks like us. We can relate to that whole mentality. He's like a Julio. And the black people

will come out usually if it's like immigrant black people. You know what if it's like immigrant black people and when i get like black americans come out i'm more excited than anything because i'm like that to me is like that to me is crossing over white americans don't mean nothing to me i mean i'm happy that they're there but when black americans show up means like oh shit they get this but how did you start to identify your audience? Like for us,

like you know, hip hop, we had to literally go and give Ian Finner a shot too. Give me the shot glass and I'll pour my shot. Because we had to literally go out. Like how did you start to identify that? Now you can use social media

to help you identify. Back in the day, it was just you were a comic. So you just go wherever the comedy spots were. And because I wasn't a white comic, when I would go to New York,

I couldn't get on in the white clubs. I could only get on in the black rooms. So I would go do the Bronx BBQ. I would go do Nagasaki's in Long Island.

Oh, stuff. And depending on, or I would do something in Ozone Park. So depending on what part of the city I was in, I would either kill

or fucking bomb. Wow. So the Bronx, I I was in, I would either kill or fucking bomb. Wow. So the Bronx, I would eat it. I would go to Nagasaki's. I would kill. I would go to Queens. I would kill.

But it depends on what the demographic of that area was. But now when I go to New York, New York feels like home to me. So it doesn't matter where I go. I feel great

wherever I'm at. Because Toronto is like a calmed down New York. Well, it's trying to act up lately. Yeah, I ain't gonna fight you. I'm shooting people now Toronto is like a calm down New York. Well, it's trying to act up lately. Yeah, I ain't gonna fight y'all. They're shooting people now.

They're shooting a lot of people. I have been damned. I'm like, nigga, I thought I'd be coming out here safe. Y'all think this is shooting niggas? No, they're just

shooting each other. It's not even like they're shooting like it's like these little corny beefs. You're like, what are you doing? Learn how to fight, stupid.

I was out there where Kwon had a barbershop. Niggas done pulled up. I was like, man, shit got went down off the block. I was like, what the fuck? That just opened, didn't it? Yo, I don't remember. Like learn how to fight so they're right corner had a barber shop niggas and pulled up with a mastic I went down off the block. I think that just opened in They told to each other I'm like I thought to run towards the six a barrel don't think it's out there So I'll do maybe we celebrate your career now, baby. This is the watermelon surprise. You know what I'm saying?

Mmm. That shit is dangerous, because that shit is starting to taste like Kool-Aid to me. It's good. That's good. I grew up on that. Y'all want some of this? Yeah, man. Snacko, you want to try this? Come on, man. Y'all on vacation.

Get a glass. Yeah, y'all on vacation, goddammit. That's why I told you we should get our plastic cups, Mr. Lee. We out here on... The fancy plastic cups. So, y'all on vacation, goddammit. That's why I told you we should get our plastic cups, Mr. Lee. We out here. The fancy plastic cups. So, what is your favorite part?

Or rather, what is your favorite era in hip-hop? 90s era, of course. Nah, nah, we'll give you 10 years,

though. I'ma say, I'ma say from 93 to 98. Oh, you went that way. You would've said late 80s,

I thought, because for me, it was late 80s, mid 90s. To me, my favorite era was from 93 to 98. You know what I mean? You get 10, though. You only take it. That's only take a second. Because I started to waver off.

Because I started to get more. Because in that era, I was really active and underground. And right before like 88, 89, 90, I was just active and underground and like, right before like, 88, 89, 90, I was just kind of just finding my way. You know what I mean? I was just finding my way and I was kind of, you know, doing a bunch of shit that, like going to clubs, popping

up. Dudes used to, I used to sit in, I used to have, I used to go to a club, I would have like a backpack on me, whatever was in it, was in it, and I would go in there and I would I would watch rappers rap man and I would jump on stage and say y'all like that wack motherfucker? throw that same beat back on and shit and then I would rock this rock yeah so then I had them like you know there was times when I was just jumping

on stage me G-Rap Scarface I would just I would just You know Just jump off the stage But that was You can't just say You know That was awesome Those were the guys That I was Those were the kind of guys I was kind of trying to Like G-Rap to me

When I He was the first person To put me on G-Rap's fucking dumb G-Rap you know When G-Rap put me on Money in the Bank That was my first collaboration

You know what I'm saying Large Professor produced it. Eric B's brother, Ant Live. Rest in peace to Ant Live. Side note. That joint that Norrie did with Large Professor about four years ago, five years ago. Yeah, that was it.

That shit was fucking dope. Large Pro has always been, to me, somebody I always wanted to work with. Yeah, big shout out to Billy Paul. Very famous producers like that, like Large Pro Pro guys like that you know Primo's

the Pete Rocks I was hand selected he's a genius he could get it from anywhere a lot of these guys are scientists with their production

it was an era of that yeah that kind of stuff was really bubbling underground and it's like I still to me to this day to me

is there underground right now I call it more of a chitlin' circuit. I don't know if it's underground. Because to me, underground. I can see the analogy. Underground was like when you was in the club and it was a vibe. It was an energy, man.

The Red Parrot. You remember Red Parrot? I feel like this is like dudes like Schoolboy Q might have an underground. Yeah, but no, no. But I think what he's saying, the type of underground, it just can't even exist right now. Like a Denzel Curry? It's different. Yeah, but it's just a different time.

Like just a digital era. It's just a different thing. Just imagine. This was underground. Busta Rhymes and Dinko. Redman. Redman. Yeah, that was underground.

They was coming. And to see a lot of those guys now. Mainstream. Mainstream. Mainstream and really bubbling and getting in and doing it is a great thing for me. I love to see that because a lot of them guys, they were after. I was before them, but I watched the growth. You know what I mean? And I watched it.

And I see Busta. Busta been tearing clubs down for years and always had energy, always had this same. Why are you performing after that motherfucker Leland? Yeah, he's another. Look at that. I caught him. Busta. Busta been tearing clubs down for years and always had energy, always had this same... Why he performing after that motherfucker Leland? Yeah, he's another... Look at that in my car. Busta, Busta. You want to be on my belt? Nah, I'm going first.

I told him, he's definitely a closer. That's my friend. That's my friend. He was on the road with us in Smoke and Groove. He had three buses. He had a bus for all his clubs.

He had a bus-a-bus. Bus-a-bus. He had a bus. He had a bus for his clubs. He had a bus-a-bus. A bus-a-bus. He had a bus-a-bus. He had a bus for his clothes. He had a bus for his clubs. And then he had a bus for his crew. So he had Jamaican chefs on the road, man. You know, so he's come a long way.

And that, to me, that travel, that whole journey from underground to the pinnacle of what they did, that's when you get a chance to see that 93 to 98 93 that was my that was all right let me flip the question on you because i'm gonna give him the same question what is the best era in comedy to you to me are you a comedy fan i love comedy for you i i loved um i loved uh the eddie murphy era was big for me you know i'm saying robin harris the robin harris era was fly uh george You know what I'm saying? Robin Harris. The Robin Harris era was fly.

George Carlin was somebody who I thought was... Yo, we got to talk about George Carlin. He's one of my favorites. He's my favorite, too. George Carlin. Richard Pryor. Richard Pryor. I grew up on Richard Pryor.

I don't know about my George Carlin, but for you, it's fly. Is that the white guy? Is that the white guy? Yo, the white guy was talking about politics. He's the first to fill the wall. No, he talked about everything. He literally did every subject before anybody did every subject. Yeah, he's the illest.

Okay, we'll do one more shot, Mr. Lee, before we cross over to Tiger Ball. Whoa. So that era? Yeah, I grew up on Richard Pryor. My friend, a friend of mine, his father had all these Richard Pryor albums in his basement, man. We used to sneak and listen to them shits, like, you know what I mean? And that kind of stuff. Even the Jerky Boys.

I love the Jerky Boys. I love the Jerky Boys. They started us making prank phone calls. That was the 90s. That was the 90s. I was a big fan of early comedy. I mean, comedy anyway is dope, you know what I mean? But I like to see stand-up stand-up.

I don't know if I'm big on it. What is it? The largest or the biggest? There's some cats that dope in the world. Is that how the intro goes? Give him some more. I need to inspect him.

I need to inspect him. I spilt more than that. Yeah, come on. Yeah, come on. Let's turn it up. Let's give him a little poquito. And so,

stand-up is your thing. Yeah, I like to see stand-up comedians that, you know. And you don't got to do this one if you want. You can skip one. Yeah, I'm good. Don't be in the drinker. No, I know that. I know that.

We try to get you through the whole interview. Now I'm going to fall out of no shit. So stand-up, what are you saying? Eddie Murphy, Robin Harris. Eddie Murphy, Robin Harris. I like that. I would say 82 to 89 was a great fucking time. When you say that,

you got to describe what is happening. You would go from delirious. Delirious. Eddie and leather. Eddie and leather. Delirious to 89. It was like,

and when I say comedy, I mean like. There's no Martin Lawrence at all. Well, here's the thing. Comedy, in the comedy world, the 80s was considered the boom. Like, the classic era. No, that was just when comedy went fucking huge.

And 89 is when it ended. That's when Andrew Dice Clay came on. He sold out the Garden and all that shit. And then he was at the end of the... He bookended it. Andy started it. Dice bookended it. And then in the 90s, he book ended it and he started it dice book ended it and then in the 90s it was dead and i started in 89 so when i started i would hear all the older comics

i was 19 it was the end of an era yeah the older comics were like yeah you don't even know what it was like kid we used to get on private jets and do blow off hookers asses and i'm like i don't know yeah and i'm like i don't know i'm Sarah Kinison shit? Yeah and I'm like I don't know dog. I'm just trying to get 25 bucks to fucking get through the night you know what I mean? Salud.

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I mean, I was in London in the mid 90s. I was there from 95 to 2002. Right. And your shit was always banging up there. No, but what I'm saying is at first I had to bring it. Like they... Like Violator wasn't sending a shit? No, for you to break in another country,

you had to actually spend a little time there. Right. You had to do a marketing run. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you had to actually spend a little time there. You had to do a marketing run. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go see Tim Westwood. Yeah, yeah. No doubt. Sonori.

Tell us about the new album, man. No doubt. Word up. Word up. We're going to tell you a little bit about Tim Westwood. How different is it Because We can just press a button right now Yeah Your album is everywhere

You look at it as a plus or as a minus I mean it's a plus that you can get the records over there now But I'm going to tell you what The downfall to Europe is that They don't really have The solid promoters like they used to have over there now, but I'm going to tell you what, the downfall to Europe is that they don't really have the solid promoters like they used to have. The promotion game is different. Now you get a bunch of DJs that get a few dollars.

They bring you over there in the luggage compartment. You sleep in their basement. They let you hump their sister. You rock the mic. Send you back home. And there's guys over there doing that hamburger and cheese you know what I mean now that's the

chitlin circuit shit I'm talking about when you stand on your principles some people say yo you gotta take all the money don't leave no money

on the table you become worth that shit that they giving you and it's not just Europe it's everybody and then now

back in the days we used to go over there I mean we was over there with Gangstar with a tour bus you know what I'm, we was over there with Gangsta with a tour bus. You know what I'm saying? Like, we was touring, that motherfucker, going from one country across Europe. Like, one country, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And then we're going across the fucking globe. And it was interesting to be able to just make so much money. People say, yo, man, I got a record. I want you to come to my studio. You making cash, you know, hand over fist. Just boom, you know, like that. But now it's a different ballgame, you know? And then how about you?

Because right now you can do an act and someone can film your whole shit. That's why Pick travels with me when I do shows, to make sure nobody's in the audience with their camera. We laser them. We're like, yo, you see that laser on you? Turn that shit with any text on the camera And deletes all the shit they got They probably already uploaded it somewhere But at least we do what we can

And you know Knock on wood So far so good I went to a Chris Rock show And he put the green bags right? The green bags Yeah

I felt like that was a great idea Because the very Chris does that Dave does that But I don't do that What's the green bag? So what it is is You can have I think you can have your shit,

but they put it in a green bag where you can't open it. And then at the end, you can walk back out, and they give you the key, and it opens you up. Wow. So they're not physically taking your phone. You actually have your phone. I know it's kind of fucking fucked up because every five minutes, you're like, oh, shit.

You can't open the bag. But when I was sitting there and I was like, you know what? At first I felt uncomfortable because I'm sitting here next to fucking Jay-Z. Jay-Z's the guy that invites me

to the shit. So I'm sitting there and I'm like, alright, cool. But he did the same shit. So I was like, alright. And then when I thought about it,

the very next day I had a hosting gig or something and everybody in front of my hosting gig was like this. Yeah. And I felt so uncomfortable.

I was like, yo, you motherfuckers enjoying me? Or you just want to see me later? They watch you later. See me now. Put your fucking phone down. They didn't even see you there. Put your fucking phone down. It's definitely annoying.

It's definitely annoying. That shit is annoying to me. Like, I had to do that in Chicago. You know what I mean? In Chicago when we was just in Chicago. I said, yo, listen. I rock this shit. I ain't say nothing.

The whole, it was like halfway through the show. I said, I ain't say nothing. But for the rest through the show. I said, I ain't say nothing. But for the rest of the show, can you just enjoy what the fuck I'm doing? Like, I'm here, and y'all like this. They're not even looking at me. Yeah, but it robs them of the experience. Like, that's why somebody from the 80s can explain hip-hop different than somebody from right now. Because when you really seeing something and you watching, when I watched the Cold Crush 4 rock,

when I used to watch the Furious 5. What about when you got to open for them? You're a supreme force. Yeah, that was in Amityville at the Ace Center. And Grandmaster Kaz said, who's that group right there? Oh, they're supposed to open for you. Those motherfuckers can't stand on my stage. We wasn't.

They have to earn that. So we had to stand behind the DJ booth and rock because the way the DJ was set up, we couldn't stand in front because they had a barricade. So we had to rock on the floor. So while everybody else was angry about that shit, I was like, fuck it. That's where I learned to

get my bark on because I said, if they can't see me, they're going to hear me. So I went loud on them, you know what I mean? And then that's when the bumpies started creeping out of me and I was getting my bark on because I said they can't see me they're gonna hear me so I went loud on them you know what I mean and then that's when the bump you started creeping out of me and I was getting my bark on but I always looked at those lessons some lessons you can't be intentionally taught right you have to grab for it you have to say you know what man I'm gonna take this lemon and make lemonade and when I would watch those guys perform, I was studying. The first time I seen Doug E. Fresh rock live, man, I was baffled.

I was like, what the fuck is that? I seen Doug E. Fresh perform one record for an hour. Yo. And no one can blink. I swear to God. Now, you think you could explain that through watching him through a cell phone, bro? You know what I'm saying?

Exactly. You had to actually see that shit. You remember? He's flawless. I was a little kid, man, You know what I'm saying? Exactly. You had to actually see that shit. You remember? He's flawless. I was a little kid, man, going to these Mike and Dave shows. And Mike and Dave were like the legendary promoters, DJs back in the days that threw these jams. Biz Markie would tell you about them.

All these guys would tell you about them. Theodore, all of them. And they was doing Stony Brook College and all these places. And they was putting stages up. Cold Crush was pulling into these places and lim these places. And they was putting stages up. Cold Crush was pulling into these places and limousines. They pulled a limousine into the gymnasium through a garage door and shit

and get out with all this Rick James looking shit on. And they'd jump on stage and they would do these routines and everybody was just blown. And nobody's seen nothing like that before. You know what I'm saying? But now, I think the character is different.

You know, the character of the artist is different. I think sometimes I listen to songs and I believe, I feel like everybody got the same writer,

you know? Yeah, I was about to ask you that because what do you think about people critiquing Drake for having a ghost writer but people also praise Biz Markie

for the same exact thing? Can I step in for a sec? Please do. Yeah. Drake got on by being a ghost writer. I heard sec? Please do. Yeah. Drake got on by being a ghostwriter. I heard you talking about this. Yeah, Drake was

Lil Wayne's ghostwriter. That's why Wayne signed him and got him on. I definitely don't believe that. But go ahead. I'm telling you this. I always agree that the other way around.

As I say in my act, it's a fact. I always heard it, excuse me, I always heard it the other way around. I always heard that it was Wayne doing that.

Okay, continue. Why would Wayne write for Drake when Drake was just little Jimmy from the wheelchair Jimmy guy? I don't know. Here's what I'm saying. Drake got on. He wrote a couple of verses for Wayne. Wayne liked him. Wayne

signed him young money. And then that's how Drake got on. I'm not saying Drake consistently wrote for Wayne, but that's how Drake got his shine at first. And then Drake took the power and ran with it. Now, Drake spits hit after hit after hit after hit. Drake's the only one from this generation

who's still going to be around in 20 years that kids are going to go see. Definitely talented. Whether you like him or hate him, it's a fact that he's going to be there. I agree. And I don't like this era of music at all, but Drake is the one kid, not because I'm from Toronto, but Drake is the one kid, when I hear him,

I go, A, I recognize his voice. B, he's saying some shit other than the usual five words repeated. He says he spits like an MC, but he spits it to this era's tune. So I respect the kid a lot. And if he has a ghostwriter, fuck, he

needs one right now. It's like he's got so much shit happening, he can't take that time off. What you're saying is great. It's facts, too, as well. No one's denying anything you're saying. But what I'm saying is, the actual act,

he was critiqued in a very wrong manner. Yeah, they went at it. They just wanted to go at him. You got people like Eazy-E who said, Ice Cube writes the rhymes. But E I say he never really was an MC we got on the mic no at that time he didn't know at that time but he was a hustler he didn't say I'm not a real MC until after the ice cube shit I mean I think anybody really paying attention could have known well I think it was too early on like when Dre was rhyming, he wasn't right and we all knew that too. I didn't know that either. He's a producer. I remember when I first heard NWA.

The beat for Ice Cube, that's what I knew. I mean, I was paying attention as a fan. I didn't know, I thought. As a fan, when I first heard NWA, Ren was the guy that I was like, yo, that's my favorite. Cube was my favorite young C out of NWA. No, Cube when he went solo, I was like, yo, what is this? That's a certificate, one of the best albums ever. But Ryn, his voice is always... I have, Biz Lock is one of my favorites. I love Biz. Who writes for Biz?

Ben Kane used to write for Biz, right? Well, you know, damn near everything. Yeah, but you know what? It didn't take away from me. But Kane wrote for everybody in the Juice crew. Right. Not G-Rap. No, not G-Rap, but...

Like Shantay and Allden. Craig G, neither. Yeah, Craig G's another one. No, not G-Rap, but like Shantay and Craig G. Craig G's another one. See, the thing is, when you got in season, how many people you know write their own movies, write their own books? This is your story. This is what you're

telling. It's just that. I got a line in a collection where I say, I don't got time To hate on Drake I'm trying to make my own motherfucking cake and I think a lot of times people get too caught up in watching another man's pockets Looking at another man's relationships, but we become so fucking like fucking bitches always in the middle of somebody else's shit Your failures by the success When you fail you blame them and when you win you take credit for this like that that man doing it that man got a ghost Right is motherfucking business

Anybody if you walked over any of these rappers right now say yo they go and Twitter say fuck Drake that nigga Don't write his rhymes a drink. Hey, yo, man. You want I want to sign you. I like you. His whole shit is switched. He loved Drake. He was switched just like that. Can't tell me a word. And here's the other thing. Now, is it like having comedy, though? Do you guys get frowned upon? For once, for once, for once, I seen Kevin Hart say some shit,

and then I seen a bunch of comedians like, oh, man, you don't write your shit right. And it almost felt Drake-ish. Here's the thing for Kevin. Okay. Kevin is the hardest working motherfucker in this game. But?

I will never outwork him. No comic in this game will outwork Kevin Hart ever. Okay. So, if Kevin does even, in fact, have a Ghostwriter or two or three or four, which I cannot say he does or not. I think he admitted to it. I think he said it's cool. But I think what he had, here's the thing. People say Ghostwriter.

Right. People think this person writes every word coming out your mouth. Right. What they do is give you an idea, and then you take it from there. It's like having a co-producer. It's basically what it is.

Like, if Kevin does have somebody doing that, it's somebody going, hey, Kev, have you thought about maybe blah,

blah, blah? And Kevin goes, oh, shit, and then he spits it. Okay. And that's how it is.

It's somebody, all it is is people who inspire you. And Kevin's so hot. No, never. I got one guy named Ruben Paul who's – he'll be out here in Miami Improv with me on weekend if y'all want to come through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to come through.

Yeah, from tomorrow to Monday. Okay, good. I didn't even know. But Ruben is the only guy I trust in this game who can watch my set because I spit – Oh, the Spanish guy with the long hair? No, no. He's Haitian. Oh, okay I spit. Oh, the Spanish guy with the long hair? No, no, he's Haitian. Oh, okay, shit.

Oh, okay, I saw him. He talked about his mother, how rough his mother and- He talked about how his mother puts rice on the pizza. No, he said his mother goes to any hood and be like, this is nice, it comes with food. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what, he's going to fucking bug out. He's Haitian, that's my Haitian friend.

He's like, uh-oh, my footu galo. Give him up, my little friend. The other thing is, in America, listen, and in Canada or North America and everybody, everybody's gotta have at least one Haitian friend. You gotta have at least one Haitian friend. Well, in Miami, we have a lot of Haitians. If you're in a little Miami, you gotta have 17. He ain't in Miami or Brooklyn.

He's got a whole bunch of Haitian friends. Oh, yeah, he said his mom, yeah, yeah. First of all, you're going to fucking cry when I tell him Nori knows your act. Oh, yes, I do. Yes, I do. I actually see y'all chemistry. I see each other in the back of the car.

I see each other's chemistry. He can watch me and organize my shit because I'm mad scrambled when I'm on stage. Tell you when to cut it. He'll be like, yeah, you see that bit? Put that over there. It's like editing. Put this over there.

Good. And my sets flow seamlessly when he does it. So let me ask you something. When you film a special because you got like fucking 15,000. I'm shooting a new one.

Okay. Jesus. I'm shooting a new one in June in India. In India? In the motherland. I'm thinking about going. Yeah, you want drink chips

over there for me? I'm thinking about going. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm in. I'm never been in. I'm thinking about going. Yeah, you want drink chips open up for you? Oh my God. Let's do it. Let's do it. I've never been in, I'm thinking about going. Well, tell me when you're about to. No, let's do it. Come to the taping.

So you got 15 million specials, right? So what I'm saying is, how do, when you film a special, you film it in different places and you take in the best parts? No, I either shoot it over one night or two nights. But very rarely do I splice them together to make one show. I did that once, I think on my green card tour. I spliced two nights into one night.

And that's why if you watch it, you'll see, I'm talking to the audience and the audience looks different at two different times. Wait a minute, where's that black guy that I saw a minute ago? He's gone. But I try to do it in one take just because I like

the seamlessness of it all. I like it to be real. And I'll call myself out. I'll tell people, yo, that's two nights. I did that joke better the second night so I took that one.

You know what I mean? But I try not to do it like that. Why? Is it a downfall to do it? Nah, it's just a personal thing. It's a personal thing for me. Because I remember, like, I forget who,

they did a tour, and you can tell, I don't think it was Chris Rock. Yeah, Chris did it over, but he intentionally did that. It was like over three cities or three countries. Yeah, that's what it was.

And it was like the same act in three different cities. Right. But I don't think it flowed the same way he hoped it would. Yeah, because he still wouldn to fuck it up right now while filming. No, no, which is the thing,

you would have needed to know what the act was in one city in order to watch it happen over three. It's kind of like somebody performing a song that you know, and then you see it happening in three different parts, you can piece it together and it makes sense to you, but with comedy, you don't know that it's going to go like that.

Well, we'll just start promoting right now, let the't know that it's going to go like that. Well, I'm just starting promoting right now. Let the people know that September 6th, I'm trying to do the quadruple play, which means we're doing a podcast in New York in the daytime. Then we're doing a show, maybe Capone in Noriega, maybe just Noriega. No, no, do Capone in Noriega. And then we're flying to L.A. We're doing a podcast and a show there. I want to be the first.

I want to be there. I want to be the first Deion Sanders type to do this. So we're announcing this right here. For Motherfuckers I'm inspired because

I really looked at it today when, when first off, when they said, yo, first off, you're probably the coolest comedian right now because you brought fucking bumpy knuckles. Freddie fucking Fox. We've had Mike Epps on here.

We've had Marlon Wayans on here. We've had Jack Brown. No comedian bought a hip hop legend. Like, this is just, so you just got... Well, that's because those guys can stand on their own. I needed somebody to give me a, I needed to bring the Gooch and Goose back in. You want to help everybody. The fact is that comedians have been one of our favorite episodes. Yes, yes.

I watched the Jazzy Jeff one. That was dope. You know, one of the things that I admire about you is you're always a comedian. And that's what's great to me. One thing that struck me about Marlon Wayans was, I cracked a joke on Marlon Wayans, which was bad. Which was bad on my behalf. I seen him, he had on spandex, I was like,

come on, brother. He was like, what? And I seen him literally, scrambling 15 million jokes in his mind. He was like, what? And I see him literally scrambling 15 million jokes in his mind. He was like, what? He's like, I never remember I had like, this was like I had like every chain I owned.

It was the same chain that we did the show on. No, this is how we got, we got the show on. It's because I had like every chain on in my mind. And he just, you can tell he made every joke about the 50 million chains I had on and a big one.

And I was just like, before he even said something, I was like, yo, yo, my back. I said, I've really seen a comedian work. And it was the same thing when we connected. It was like we were sitting down, we were talking regular, but it was just like, it's so much in you. And when you look at your act, you can't help it. You can't help with your improv. You always be like, when you look at your act, like, you can't help it. Like, you can't help with your improv. You always... I just spit.

You always be like, hey, what's your name? Oh, Aaron. Aaron. Aaron. Aaron. Aaron. Aaron.

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Aaron. Aaron. I remember his name. I remember his name. That shit is amazing. I don't remember his name. I can't remember the rhymes. I remember his name. You was an old racist white guy. You was an English guy that was very hairy. And you came back and you remembered all that shit. You don't smoke marijuana at all. No, but I don't mind.

I like when it's smoked in front of me because I kind of like the content. I loved that cameraman when he was in that. I loved him when he was in that Steven Seagal movie. Oh, yeah. I told you. I told you I was going to do this.

Walk with that. Walk with that. Oh I'm Lord Clampeswy. Are you even West Indian? What are you? Well the hair works. So are those two, you should have a word with them. So are those two. You should have a word with them.

Happy bun and cheese. You know what the crazy shit about your act is, right? It's very, like, borderline, like, you know, race. I try to be. Race-related, right? I always try to be. But here's the crazy thing. So I thought at first, I was like, yo, man, you got to be careful.

But then when I looked at everything, I was like, that's exactly what you should not be. The thing is, every race is funny. Every race is prejudiced. People get it because when I talk about their nationality, their culture, their race, whatever, I talk about it from shit that they think only they know about themselves. Exactly. And that's when they go, okay, hold on. It's true. He knows us.

We can't be offended right now. Like Cubans, you know what I mean? Like, you know what happens when a Cuban gets a flat tire, right? They drown. Now listen. Like my girl, this is real. My girl's Mexican in Honduran, right?

And when she was in labor and they broke her water, candies fell out of her. That's how Mexican she is. Big habit. Is it Tiger Bones, huh? I don't even know what Tiger Bones is. No, listen. I'm going to be honest.

By the way, I don't want to take Tiger Bones. But I can see the fans right now. What is Tiger Bone? This is it. It's our comedian that we have on here. But you guys are legends. We can't come here and, you know, pause. We don't have a...

Mr. Lee. Mr. Lee. You don't want to be in here. Tiger Bone. Tiger Bone. You don't want to be in here. Tiger Bowl. Come on, you want Dominican break? Tiger Bowl? I mean, damn, it's a lead.

Jesus. You got a Hispanic red bone. Yes. He's Dominican. What do you have to say about Dominicans? Oh, shit. Dominicans, be careful. You're shaky.

Yeah. Oh, shit. Let me see what you shot. D-Rell on five feet. Hey, man. Oh, yeah. D-Rell on five feet. Let's see how you're going to act after this shot. Is this fucking Mamawanna? Yeah, Mamawanna. Hey, man. Hold on there. Let's see how you're gonna act after this shot.

Is this fucking Mamawanna? It's Mamawanna. You know? Give him just like me. Little, little. And, and. Bobby, you can do this one. Yeah, I do want to.

It's terrible to have you throw on him. It's a health shot. Yeah. That's so healthy. Healthy living. Can somebody play some Bachata while he's pouring? Oh, yeah. Mama-ee.

Mama-ee. I mean, all right. Let me get this off. Come on. Hey, Oh yeah. Mama ee, mama ee, I mean alright ee. Let me get the ball. Come on. Hey, come on, you better throw a finish shot. This shit is Chinese. This shit is Chinese.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Salute. Oh, that didn't mean that. Yo, yo.

Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Yo. Penis Freddy fucking fucking Yeah, I never going to rinse it down with that. Now let me ask you something. That's an ancient, shiny cigarette we just gave you. What I just drank. What I want to know about you is I understand. And it won't take you away.

I see that you understand the internet. Mm-hmm. You understand it in real time. Mm-hmm. One of our brothers, KRS-One, had him on here. And I don't think he understood the internet at the time. Mm-hmm. Because what happened was, this is when Avocat Mambada's story

first broke. Right. Which one? The first one. The first one, right? The one. So we were all heard in hip hop.

Oh, the one. The one that, you know, it did you the virally. Right. Because, you know, everyone had heard obviously things before, but this is the first time.

I'm trying to keep it down, fellas. This is the first time we had seen it virally, right? So KRS came here And we asked him So he was like yo You know what do you think about The Bambaataa shit So I don't think he had heard of it

Yeah thinking that we already was He knew what was going on So you know Cause sometimes we'll Hold this episode And drop it two weeks later Or you know You know sometimes

So what happened was We asked him about the Bambaataa shit two weeks later, or, you know, sometimes. So what happened was, we asked him about the Bambada shit, and his response was, well, I don't care. I got Bambada's back. Ooh. But he didn't know.

No, no, no, no. Yeah. He didn't, we didn't put him in a situation where Bambada was your back. No, he's saying he didn't know about it yet.

He didn't hear about it. So based on him not knowing any of the facts, he's not going to comment, and he's going he didn't know about it yet. He didn't hear about it. But he's still based on him not knowing any of the facts. He's not going to comment and he's going to have his back until he knows more of the facts. So what happens is the episode comes out when the episode comes out. So many people critique him. And the thing was, we had no contact with K. R. S.

Because we wanted him to just say, because he got no he went to do a show with the. You know, he doesn't fly. So to do a show with the euro that's crazy so he knew for one line he's a no I didn't know Africa my mother's out allegations that was it was very simple because at the time he would have got it fully away from but like I said we couldn't con getting contact with him But you seem like somebody That's very abreast Of what's going on How do you think

He could have handled That situation Chris or Bam Chris Chris yes Or both I mean Chris is a super intelligent dude

I think Right I think had he been Given the facts He would have probably At the time We didn't even know I think it was fair To give the, he would have probably... At the time, we didn't even know about it. I think it was fair to say he was an answer. It was just an allegation.

But I also think it's unfair for everybody to want you to fucking hang somebody because they want to hang somebody. Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? I'm not one of... Bandwagon hanging. I'm not a big fan of being interested in what other dudes do with their swipe and all that. But I'm also not a fan of violating people's sexuality and all that. I don't get into none of that shit because I feel like that's out of bounds.

Once you speak on somebody else's personal shit, now you got to own the ramifications of your critiquing it. When you say something about a motherfucker and you don't know what it is and you fuck around and get your fronts knocked out, now you got to own that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's not called Bumpy now you got to own that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? He's not called Bumpy Nuggets for no reason. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You got to really be ready to know what you're talking about. A lot of times people be so busy worrying about what other motherfuckers is doing. Like I said before, you're always in another man's business or another person's business. You know, it's different if somebody jump on the internet and do, you know, when the

girl jump on the internet and get naked and do all kind of shit and dudes come at her a certain way, she kind of owns that because the way she's carrying herself. But when you just ask a random motherfucker, yo,

what you think about this guy? And then you start saying shit about them and you don't really know what the fucking shit is and you get your ass beat. Right. That's a whole nother ballgame, man.

So I'm very cautious about that kind of input for myself. Because you was kind of caught up a little in that controversy where you did a DJ black interview mm-hmm right you said that you had a conversation with Birdman but there's an actual audio of Wendy day saying that nah bumpy knuckles put on a gun on it's kind of famous man I don't know if I can run sold you out now I'm drunk now it's about to happen yeah she did she definitely didn't sell my friend

of mine she did so yeah so you out she felt like it was out there she was actually like yeah yeah yeah yeah she she's you know it when he's always been solid with me bro she's always been cool people I've never done any business with her Because She was Just friends bro Wendy Day is the real deal That was just my home girl

She always used to put me into these panels Speaking panels And stuff like that She's a deal maker She knows how to make deals I think she got beat on a deal Something like that And But I never did, like, she's a deal maker. She know how to make deals. I think she got beat on a deal, something like that. But then, if that's what she said to me. And you went to Hot 97.

And I met with Birdman. We had a conversation about it. She said, Bump, this is what's going on. So I said, let me talk to him and see what it is. So exactly what happened is just what I'm about to tell you to happen. Went to Hot 97. Me and two of my guys, we went upstairs. Me and Flex was cool at the time.

So, Flex would let you upstairs when he was cool with you back in the day. Now you can't do that shit. But I went upstairs. Some dudes had a shootout in front of there. I don't know this guy's name. I went upstairs and I said, I said to Berm, I said, yo, man,

you know, they were getting ready, they were finishing, I think finishing and then when Wayne was there. What year was this? I don't even remember. 90s or 2000s?

I don't remember, bro. Okay. It's okay. Dream Chats fans, one of our fans, when this shit come out, they're going to be telling us the exact date.

So I went upstairs, Wayne was there, you know, I said what up to him, he, you know, I said what up to him, whatever. And he was, he had a couple of security guys with him.

So Birdman, you know, he on his own, you know, he said, yo, let's go. Let's take a walk.

So we walked down, you know, we walked downstairs and shit. And I told him, I said, Hey man, um, the situation with Wendy day,

you know, is, is, is, is bubbling. And it's kind of a situation I want to help her fix. So is there any way I can get you and her to kind of hash this out? She's a good friend of mine, X, Y, Z. He said, yeah, we could do it, man, you know, whatever. So I put him on the phone with her and I left the man with my phone talking to her and I walked away. The gun incident came because there was a kid across the street that was lurking around and Birdman had a guy with him who kept noticing the guy.

I said, what's up, man? He was with you? Yeah, he thought the guy was with me, but the guy wasn't with me. So I told the guy to come in and I said, hey, yo, dog, come in for a second. And the kid came over there and when he came over, I grabbed him and then I pulled the gun on him. And I said, what you doing over there?

And he said, yo, I just want an autograph. Oh, okay. And then I felt bad. I was like, oh, shit. So I put my hand over and I get, you know, he waited for Birdman. Wait, no, Bumpy gave his autograph. He goes, who the fuck are you? He goes, this is your autograph. So that's what that was, you He goes This is your autograph So he

That's what that was You know what I'm saying So at that time The kid The kid You know Birdman Was talking to her On the phone

The kid went back And went on his way And I wanted to make sure Birdman's guy Wasn't uncomfortable You know what I'm saying And then After him and Wendy talked

Me and him shook Me and him shook Yeah cause You know there's a cop Coming around the corner Every ten fucking minutes. So that turned into me putting this man on the ground and doing

all this other bullshit and it never happened that way. You know what I'm saying? So there was a gun but it had nothing to do with Burtman. Yeah, I wouldn't have done that. I think your reputation preceded itself at the time and I think that that's probably the reason why. Because I look at you

as an honorable man. Yeah, people put a two on a ten. I gave you enough Tiger Bones and if you would've just, you know, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, you would've been, but I think that's honorable. I think even you stepping up and saying that you never even did business with Wendy Day

if you wanted to do that. I think that's just honorable. I think that hip hop, that's the reason why we started this show is just we want to keep honoring You know you want to do another shot I bonus me and you Come on Another one of the tiger was I'm pushing him out of his chair The one thing I've seen about your jokes is everybody can get it. Oh yeah.

The handicapped get it. You think he didn't know when he got it? Yo listen, listen. He just fucking literally rolled up on us. Yeah, some guy came to his show in a wheelchair and he was like, yo, can I get a picture? I've never seen somebody with cornrows and waves. They got corn waves.

He said, can I get a picture? He said, yeah, come on, stand up. And it was like, no, listen. It's just like, you know his heart is in a good place. I respect that style of comedy where everyone knows that you're not being offensive. Never. My shit talk is coming from a happy place. You can see it in my eyes. He'd be like, fuck that guy. If I was being a dick, he knows. You got to be open. That's all, man.

Yeah. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be open. You got to be place. You can see it in my eyes. He'd be like, fuck that guy. If I was being a dick, he knows. You gotta be open minded.

That's all, man. That's all I'm talking about. Now give me your wallet, motherfucker. I'm not even fucking with you. You know what I'm saying? Sorry. Yeah, we all know you. Where's my shit?

Right here. Right there. We don't hate you. Oh, shit. He ain't afraid. He ain't scared. Gotta drink the time. Look at this guy. I was bumming on yeah, he okay. He ain't even scared. Gotta drink the time.

Look at this guy. I was probably letting you smoke. No, effing. Don't do it. Listen, you were always effing when I was going. I'm like, you, excuse me, you used to do mixtapes, right? Yeah. I bought some of your mixtapes back in the day.

You really hip hop, bro. I am, I'm a nerd. You really hip hop. So now that, no, you know how hip, what's up with Socrates from Toronto? Is he from Toronto? Yeah, he is. Imani, of course he is. Salud. So now, you know, what's up with Socrates from Toronto? Is he from Toronto? Yeah, he is.

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Listen to The American West with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. One more and you're walking. Yo, so they definitely sell us in Mumbai. Now, what? That's a flashlight in Mumbai. So now I have to ask, is there any like

brown on brown comedy crime? Like any of them? Nah, I'm, here's the problem. You don't get along with them? I get along with everybody. I'm basically the Bumpy Knuckles of the Indian comedy world. Where they kind of look at me and go,

alright, he knows what he's doing. I mean I used to box, I do jujitsu, and I'm an older guy. Are you saying you will beat Aziz's ass if it came down to it? He's a little dude, man. He's a little dude. He ain't never had it like that. He never got jumped.

He never been in fucking fights. He never been around shootouts. It's not his thing. That's not his thing. I've been around that shit. It's not like I was doing it, but I was there running from it. Same way. It's not like I was doing it, but I was there running from it the same way.

It's not like I was a fucking gangster and shoot me, motherfucker. Like, oh, man. I remember hiding in the DJ booth with a metal crate

on my head. I remember that shooting. Stop. Stop it, god damn it. And then there was a chick beside me. I pushed her away.

Get the fuck out of here, bitch. I can't shake myself. What the fuck are you doing in here? Didn't you spar with Joe Rogan recently? I rolled with him. Yeah, I do jiu-jitsu. I'm a blue belt.

He's a black belt, man. Okay, hold on, hold on. Talk about, talk about. So was there ever an issue with you and Aziz? It was like more of a disrespect kind of thing, which we pretty much sorted out. So was there ever An issue with you and Aziz Like is there It was like more of a Disrespect kind of thing Which we pretty much

Sorted out Cause I feel like Like you're like the OG Oh y'all have beef for real Nah well Indians Can't have beef A dance off What is it

And he's Aziz So he can't have pork Whatever Okay Pakistan No he's Indian But he's Muslim But whatever No the thing is

When I first met him, I took it a certain way That I felt like he was disrespectful You felt like he's a dick Let's talk about that I thought he was a dick when I met him And then when I asked after talking to people They were like, no, that's just how he is And I go, so he's a dick?

And they're like, yeah, he's not a dick He's a dick No, they were like so he's a dick yeah it's not specific to you yeah yeah he's not a dick to you it's just a dick you know like okay so I met him and he wanted to fix it I was like cool and then when all that shit Happened with him He was me too Yeah it was a fucking It was a bullshit It was a bullshit I don't know It was a fucked up

It was a fucked up me too She didn't like it No here's the thing His me too was whack Because it's like That's what it is It's me too Oh it is

Like you had no game That's all it is It was what He had no game That's what his me too was I thought it was me too Because he ate the bitch pussy Whatever it was It it was what?

She felt uncomfortable after that. No, she felt uncomfortable when she felt it was the right time to feel uncomfortable. That's what I'm talking about. We may not be the best of friends, but when that shit happened, I shot him an email and I was like, yo, I want you to know I'm riding with you.

And then the real shit is his email bounced back because he gave me the wrong fucking email I was gonna say he's a dick how did y'all know he knows and then I went

you know what that's in line with your behavior and now when I'm taking personal I'm like that's just who he is dog

I mean it ain't personal so you guys I mean I don't have to say it like that I really don't hate nobody no no I mean either but I don't have to say it like that but like you guys ain't personal. So you guys, I mean, I don't have to say it like that. I really don't hate nobody. No, no, I mean either. But I don't have to say it like that.

But like, you guys ain't come up in like the same comedy. No, I've been doing it for like 30 years, dog. Oh, okay. When I was, I started in 89.

He started maybe 2000 and something. That's like, you know, you know, I know a girl named Superhead. She gave Superhead. She lived in my building. She even gave the Superhead, she gave Superhead. She lived in my building, she even gave the Superhead. I'm trying to figure out, that makes you Jay-Z, right?

I know, I said, only if I release it on song. I'll get married, you and your career to Aziz, I'm trying to. Here's the thing. If you say like you're Jay-Z, or like you're Nas, what do you want to be? What I'm trying to. Here's the thing. You say you're Jay-Z or you're Nas. What do you want to be? I want to be KRS. Because he don't have the

mainstream success, but he got the respect in the game. He's going to work forever. Aziz is... Aziz is... He's like one of them new cats. He will be forever. And Aziz is? Aziz is, um... He's like one of them new cats. One of the new rappers.

I need to hear. Let's see who. Because I know you know, so I need to hear. I need you to hear. Let's see who it be. Hey, listen, listen. Michael Rappaport recently critiqued Meat Mill, and people were like discrediting Michael.

Crazy backlash. I need you to be very careful. Okay, let me see. Yes. I'm not really concerned with it either way. Who would Aziz be? Or make up a name

that sounds like a name. No, no, I want to be real. You want KRS with KRS bank account or with KRS with Jay-Z's bank account? How do you know what KRS bank account is?

I don't know. I'm just asking. I have a big KRS with Jay-Z's bank account. Already. That's where I want to stay. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just asking. I am K.R.S. with Jay-Z's bank account. Already. That's where I want to stay. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying. In the public's eyes, Jay-Z is the richest.

In the public's eyes. I'm a gentleman with the public eye right now. I got to deal with how I'm living. I'm living real fucking great. As Aziz. So who will Aziz be? I like both of y'all brown niggas. I really got a problem with Aziz. Aziz. So who will Aziz be? Aziz will go down as Aziz too. I like both y'all brown niggas.

I mean, to be honest, I really got a problem with Aziz. And I felt bad when that shit Yeah, fuck it. It ain't worth it.

You know what I mean? It ain't even worth it. So, I mean, I hope A$AP Rocky? Yeah, one of them.

You said A$AP Rocky? How about A$AP, which one guy? Ferg? Yeah. You know, like one of them you said ASAP how about ASAP which one for her yeah you know like one of them ASAP dudes how about Bobby

no not Bobby Schmurda got respect um that cut deep yeah he's designer damn wait

okay alright let's be clear I feel bad for designer let's be clear big up to designer but designer is known for sounding Wait, okay, all right. Let's be clear. I'm here for the designer. Let's be clear. Big up to the designer. But designer is known for sounding like somebody else. I know, but they all sound like each other, so it ain't specific to designer.

They all fucking sound like the same dude, whoever they trying to fucking sound like. So you're saying- I want to ask you and Bumpy a question. So you're saying every comedian after you is under you? No, no. They're not under me. But the thing is, I'm first. I wanna ask you and Bumpy a question. So you say every comedian after you is under you? No, no, they're not under me. But the thing is, I'm first. I came first, and it doesn't matter who comes after me, who comes bigger than me, who comes more successful than me.

The bottom line is, kiss the motherfucking ring. You the cool hooker, A.D. and Cobby, right there in Mickey Mouse. You don't speak like that. You're like me, like you in front of good. Oh, I'm in front like a motherfucker. Same way somebody spoke Spanish, you be like, yeah, yeah, cc, motherfucker. Cc.

Tito Puente, motherfucker. He went, got you. You the guy that will say, you're the guy that will say, Louboutin sneakers with the spikes, I don't wear, that's weirdos. I'm a hood nigga. I don't wear those.

That's a fact. Now, let me ask you this, both of y'all, since we're both in the same room. Yes. A lot of people don't know this. Yeah. Y'all had a problem behind the scenes a long time ago. Damn, thank you for bringing that up.

And it never got, it got squashed behind the scenes and it time ago. Damn, thank you for bringing that up. And it never got... It got squashed behind the scenes and it got squashed real nice. No, because you know why what I felt? I felt similar to like how you said Red Alert. He said Red Alert wouldn't play your records but he told you to your face. I felt like that's what you was telling me.

Like I felt like you was like yo, don't get no money and start slapping. I felt like that's what I was... That's what you were saying to me on the joint. So when you said that, I was just like, fuck it. I just got to go back. And we went back and we seen each other. The Benz dealer, right? On 57th Street.

A BMW dealer on 57th Street. Wise didn't get in between you guys too? Uncle Wise? No. Oh, no, no, no. I thought that was a story. No, here's the thing. Let me explain to you where it came from.

Okay, cool. When I was doing Industry Shakedown, I was in a place where I was looking at the entire industry, right? So I'm in a barbershop. If I'm not mistaken, it was a barbershop. Which one's that?

Somewhere in Long Island. And you know when you're in a barbershop, people start saying, oh, this motherfucker can rap better than this motherfucker. So somebody said, Nori is my nigga. I love Nori.

Everything that nigga Nori does. And I was like... So one kid said, fuck that. Nori is better than that, but now he's got this record out where he was just wet on it. And I think he's staying, like,

the industry got him stuck there. So, you know, this guy said that and it struck a nerve in me, like, damn, it's crazy how much people really critique us as artists. So I started writing Inside Your Head and I'm sitting there and this shit

was inside my head. So I said, I'm sick and tired of Nori saying what what what Write some rhymes Monday go give this shit up up up cuz I know he's nicer than that But I never said I should have said the nicer part, but when he heard it I felt like what I said to you was take that Bob dinner ball bullshit on what? He took a Freddy Foxx. He the gun And put me in a box So I said Why did you Really took this shit hard

Like he was Heating with me Like that That's hip hop That's hip hop I'll tell you why I never really said this To you

You know why Because you had a record Before Industry Shakedown That was like a pre And I was the dude Campaigning So I was like I wrote it the same way

When Nas did that to me I was campaigning And sometimes But you I was like, I wrote the same way when Nas did that to me. I was campaigning and sometimes, but you, when I later realized, like you said to me, you didn't say it to me directly, like you said with Red Alert.

Mm-hmm. When you said that story, I was like, that's the same as that story. That's how you feel it. But the funny shit it was, one time Maceo from Daylight called me,

he said, yo, man, I was on the fucking Puerto Rican Day Parade floating. I played your fucking record and it almost killed me. You know your fucking record. It almost killed me. We took some of that.

We got some pretty fucks out. Son, that shit right there. I said, okay, wait. And then I'm going to tell you the beautiful thing about the whole shit was, man, was when we were able, when I was able to send your kids to Monday Night Raw, man. Yo, I was going to get to that Oh my Listen let me tell you something

Crazy shit was Me and Like I said We sparred We did what I had to I knew it was coming From an older brother perspective So after I knew that

I chilled What happened was I knew that You had to connect With John Cena That's my man I don't know If he was writing this rhyme

Or whatever Nah nah We was just making music together You were working for him? Nah So my kids Benzino kids And I forget who else's kids

I don't know Your kids right? So We all And I'm like damn Wrestlemania So I hit him I said

I know this is crazy Because Me asking for this Is kind of like like yo you think you can get Wrestlemania tickets for me? he was like I got you

and it was like 14 minutes later like flatline boom and I remember looking to the kids and they was like so we gonna go? and I was like I think and then 14 minutes later he was like you good your name is at world call and I was like, I think. And then 14 minutes later, he's like, you good. Your name is at World Corps. And I was like, you don't even know my name?

He said, come on, I know your fucking government name. And I was like, I was just so gangster. And I was like, damn. And I never really, I thanked you over the phone. But I want to thank you in person because of this money, bro. You made me father of the year for that year. Because no one, Benzino couldn't get tickets. I forget, it was Kaz and there was one other person that bailed out on us.

I still got the chair in my crib. And I was like, thank you so much. It was not only was it an honor to do it for you, bro, but it was, you're the only motherfucker that said thank you. Whoa, wow. So Benzino, you motherfucker, I didn't even know your kids went. Benzino's my Right. That's right. Bozino's my man. That's right.

That's right. I was honored to do it for you guys, man, and make sure that... I felt like it lifted a burden off me, man, because I'm going to be honest with you. I've always... There was two things about Industry Shakedown that I wish I could have really had a better way of explaining.

But when you're writing off emotion, it was your line and the Sylvia Rohn thing. You know what I'm saying? She just got promoted too, right? Yeah, that's cool. And I'm not an industry. I don't chase deals. I don't go to labels. I just feel like I don't really fit into the mold of industry.

I never did well at major labels. I had a few major deals. I just don't do well there. Because a big part of your career, people say that you're a black boy, right? Yeah, yeah. I was born that way anyway.

Yeah, yeah. You got black balls. Yeah, we all do. One of the things is for these new kids coming up, because even when I, I even Googled you, one of the first things that popped up

was blackballed from such a, they had an actual timeline. I didn't screenshot it, but they actually had a timeline. I'm not good at Google. So, but they actually had a timeline where you thought, like from year 80 to something, where they actually pinpointed where you thought you was blackballed. Yeah, it was.

I mean, there was a lot of times that there was a lot of people that even today, man, shake my hand. And we're part of the part of the process of saying, yo, don't fuck with him. Because if you don't sell records. And you think that started from Flavor Unit? It might have. If that's true. It might have. Why? Because of Flavor Unit, though? It might have. Because he was signed to Flavor Unit? It might have. If that's true. It might have. Why because of Flavor Unit though?

It might have. Because he was signed to Flavor Unit back then. Right. And you felt like Flavor Unit was a, like a, they looked out for.

I think, I don't know if it was, it wasn't, I don't think it was Queen Latifah or I don't think it was Shaq Kim. Right.

I think it was people that were in the office there around them that felt like, you know, you know, listen, if you drop the ball

You're not gonna say I dropped the ball You're gonna say The nigga threw the shit So fucked up That I Couldn't catch it Because it was way over there

And my arms ain't that long You know what I mean So Listen I got caught up in the middle Of a lot of politics At Flavor Unit You know what I'm saying

And I never got a chance To really say That I I appreciated that Shaquem and Latifah and Naughty by Nature Camp gave me an opportunity to really rock out, you know? But business is business. You was on Tommy Boy? No, right?

I was not. I wasn't on, thank God, I was on Tommy Boy. Because he was the rest of Flavor Unit. Not all of them, no. Tommy Boy was Naughty. Apache. Apache was Flavor Unit. So Flavor Unit was the same rest of flavor you're not all of no only Tommy boy was naughty no an Apache Apache was Yeah, Flamingo was my management in a flame unit record so was a big Politics with That was after all my RSO no Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a legend. I'm a legend. Wait, wait. What other shit are you guys talking about? Listen, a lot of this

is gunpoint. Yo, but listen, you have a reputation, bro. Nah, yeah, yeah. You definitely do. That's why we knew when you said my name, I was like,

strap up, nigga. I wasn't going to bring up you guys' name. Nah, nah, nah. It's 2019. He's like Oakland. He's hammerless. No, let me tell you something.

As an OG, when he said, yo, I got older, and I realized what Red Alert said to me was just, he just didn't like my record. It wasn't like he didn't like me, he didn't like my movement. This is what he's saying, he said Red Alert told him. So as I watched that today, I was like, that's the same exact thing. The thing was, that's how I took it as I got older. It was like, yo, you were saying, because I, you know, to a certain extent, that's what Steve Stout said.

Steve Stout came on here and said, at a certain point in your career, you got money and you slack. I didn't look at it like that, but certain people did and I can't be the person that sit around and be like, nigga, you didn't slack.

If this is what, you know, you're being accused of, sometimes you got to go and it made me step my shit up. So I always appreciated that as I got older. If this is what, you know, you're being accused of sometimes you gotta go and it made me step my shit up. So I always appreciated that as I got older. As a young nigga,

I was mad as shit. You know what I'm saying? But as I got older, that's why I was loving to bring that up right now. Yeah, I wasn't really, like honestly,

I'm glad that it came out because I was gonna bring it up anyway, but the end of the day, you gotta face these type of things with people the end of the day, you got to face these type of things with people, man. As men, you know,

we've been... And as MCs. As men, you're right. Men first, MCs second. You know what I'm saying? But as MCs, you better be tested. Yeah, you got to be.

You better be tested. And I always said this. I said, you know, I noticed after I said that, you never said what, what no more. But I did two records with you, and you bodied both of them and i mean

and i mean when i work on i haven't worked out in a minute i'm just fucking up you always been a respected lyricist i've always respected the lyricist i've always respected and i remember going back on the fourth on the phone with you Like we got the beats You know what I mean? Come on, the song that I did on I think BAP The one BAP on my collection album It was supposed to be a Me and Nori song And it ended up being something else All these great MCs out here now

You definitely, in my book Are in my top 15 Because you came in an era And remember, let me just tell y'all something A lot of people don't credit me man. I don't think that made me just do ad-libs again Oh, yeah You got your own language something when it boils down to what hip-hop is really about but you know, I Don't really have regrets like that you know what I mean

because I feel like when you regret it you haven't been as doing it in the first place I was I wrote from a place of passion

and what was going on in my head how many of these you know look at you were talking about earlier about who really writes a lot of these dudes

will look at a motherfucker and their crew that's busting his gun and going to jail and it's their story on records they're not saying it about him

they're saying it about themselves and another thing about you you never glorify selling drugs not one i never saw you said it on an interview and i literally went through all your music trying to catch it i don't sell drugs literally because we didn't do it i don't know i don't think i seen an interview um you and i think that's Preem, brother. What's his name? Real Rap? Yeah, Rap. Yeah, Rap. Yeah, Rap.

That's our man. And Rap is Supreme's brother? Yeah, his older brother. Oh, okay, his older brother. Rap's the one with the actually rap, and then Supreme kind of caught the circle down. So I heard that, and then when I heard that a caller called in, and I stopped the caller, and you say, listen, I want to be be clarified because there's two people up here, and one of them is not clarifying selling drugs, but he's saying his past life.

And I'm telling you that I never said that. Check all my rhymes. So I had to challenge him. Bro, let me tell you something. And I went through your whole catalog. Here's a funny story about me trying to sell drugs. This is probably the most realest shit you'll ever hear. Okay.

I'm in Boston. Big Chuck. Okay. Right? Legendary motherfucker. Not Chuck Chilwell. Big Chuck. Big Chuck is a legend in Boston.

California. Boston legend. And I'm hustling in Boston, but I'm not selling drugs. I'm pimping and shit. Right. Okay. And I'm running around And I got a I got a mean stable

Big stable I'm down in the combat zone And Chuck said Yo man You know I got some work I'm gonna put some work out So I said

Give me that shit I got this I ain't never sold drugs I never It's never been my forte So he said You know you gotta hide this shit So I go behind the bushes

And I start digging a hole in the shit. What the fuck are you doing? I said, I'm hiding drugs. He said, what the fuck are you doing? Get your big ass out of the bushes. So I'm crawling out of the bushes and shit. The motherfucker said, yo, man, give me my shit, man. He took the shit and he opened the condom.

He put the packs in the condom and threw the shit on the ground. He said, who do you know who want to pick up a condom? I was like, oh shit. I said, let me get back to these bitches, man. No, that sounded like me when I said I was going to sell drugs. I'm not a drug dealer. I'm not a drug dealer.

I'm not trying to sell drugs. This is Toronto. This is Toronto. Here's what happened to me. I was like, I needed money. It must have been late 80s, early 90s. And I was like, yo, I need fucking money. Crack epidemic?

Well, this was just weed I was selling. Or hash. I want to say, because I want to see. We don't want to sell crack. No, here's the thing. Because I heard how you did in school. Here's the thing. I did terrible in school.

Yeah, exactly. I knew these Asian cats that were selling drugs. They were selling coke. They were selling drugs. They were selling coke. They were selling weed. They were selling... Asians or Haitians? Asians. Asian Haitians.

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I don't want to be racist, but are they down with the white dragons? Definitely. What Asian? What kind of Asian guys? They were Chinese and they were Vietnamese. It was two of them. Oh, yeah. And they knew me

and they knew me and they knew I didn't do anything. So they were like, they fronted me a bunch of hash. Black hashish. They give me a brick like this big.

And I was like, oh, good. They go, you can sell it. Here's what we want, our $200 and you can make whatever you make after that. I was like done Right

I'm thinking Where the fuck does Stacko go? He's selling his cheese So Stacko went I pulled a lid From a fucking steel pot In my mom's kitchen I brought it down to my bedroom

I put the bread Cut cut cut cut Cut cut cut cut cut I said Stacko Pass me tinfoil pieces Wrapping all my shit up in tinfoil Bank wrapping all my shit up a tip for banging it all up My first sale is to my friend's older brother. I'm like yo Miguel ask your brother Does everyone any way Does Everett want any hash?

Let me call him. He goes, yeah, he wants $10 worth. I'm like, word. I got this. I had a nice little piece. I must have cut it like this. I give it to Everett. I go, yo, Everett, here. He gives me my 10 bucks. I'm like, my first sale. Proud as fuck.

Half an hour later, Everett comes back to me. I'm hanging out with Miguel. Everett's like, yo, I don't want this no more. I'm like, what? Fuck you mean you don't want this no more? I don't want to get my money back. Return policy? Yeah, I'm the only drunk dealer with a return policy. So I know this is not my life.

So I give him his $10. I go, wait, wait, let me see it. I take it. You know, when you break black hash, it goes brown in the middle. I was like, okay. And I'm like, it smells sort of like hash, but that's because I've been cutting hash all day. It's on my fingers. And I'm like, all right, here.

I give him his money back. I take the hash back. And I'm like, all right, here. I give him his money back. I take the hash back. And I'm like, something don't seem right. I lick it. This motherfucker gave me back, you know, nibs? The black licorice? He took the fucking hash and put a piece of black licorice and gave it back to me.

Because when you break black licorice, it's brown inside. But because the hash is on my fingers so strong, I'm like, it must be. But when I tasted it, I go, you're the fire of the licorice. So my first deal, I got fucked. Yeah, I never was a big drug dealer thing, because I felt like, number one, drug dealers are good at math. You got to be good at math. Number two. Stack-o is good at math.

Number two, it's one good at math. Number two, it's one of the most cutthroat things, like, it's a really cutthroat game, bro. And that's just like, I used to watch cats that I knew

growing up, man, in that shit. And same guys, know your mama, know your brothers and sisters and blow your brains out. You know what I'm saying?

I just never was interested in that shit. I never was good at it. I never, I never, I never lied about being good at it. There's a lot of motherfuckers who say they did it, who never did it.

Now, you know, you want to talk about busting a gun or you want to talk about sticking up somebody or some dumb shit like that. I've done those dumb shit. Those things before, but all that drug dealer shit, I sucked at that shit,

bro. I was good at English, which is why I had a quick rap game, you know, and I, you know, that's my thing. I like, that shit, bro. I was good at English, which is why I had a quick rap game. You know, and that's my thing. I like that. That was my favorite thing. English was always my favorite thing. Reading and shit like that, you know what I mean? I got Sway Notes. This is a note from Sway.

Did I see any of the Sway notes? Sway Calloway? Sway Notes is very long. Oh, shit, that ain't a lot. That's how long Sway is. That's my brother there, bro. Nah, that's our family right there. That's my man.

Sway's the other hip-hop historian Nah, that's our family right there. That's my man. Sway's the other hip-hop historian from the West Coast. From the Bay. That's my brother. That's West Coast. I used to buy fucking Sway and Tech fucking

they used to release volumes of their From the radio show. Yeah, from the wake-up show. The freestyles. I used to buy all of them. Legendary. I think they went up to 13 or 14.

I bought every fucking one of them. Legendary. So how weird was it when you made it you made it to the Forbes list you you I didn't know I was doing that I'm just doing my shit look here me up you made it to the Forbes list you get a chance to do a party and your publicist tell your publicist I ain't got no publicist you had a white girl in the van oh Haley yeah yeah at one point. In my mind. In my mind. Just let me ride with this. And you tell them, I want to party with Cool Hercules.

Dot X. And like, why not hire Leonardo DiCaprio? No, no. Here. Let me stop. Did it happen like that in my mind? No, it didn't happen like that at all. I had a poster.

She was there for my show. Okay. The white girl. Yeah, the white girl. And then Vic Black, Primo's guy, hit me. He's like, yo, Russ, you want to do a party after the show? And I'm like, fuck yeah, Vic. I go, but I want rappers there.

He's like, I got you. So we had DJ Primo. The original rappers. I want real rappers. Yeah. And, you know, Melly Mel and Grandmaster Kaz are my people. It's like family to me. Like they come spend Thanksgiving,

they come spend Christmas, New Year's, whatever it is, they're with me. It's the same as Bumpy. It's like family. I know his kids. You know what I mean?

It's not like we're like on some surface level. Industry friendship. Yeah, it's like I don't believe in that industry shit. I thought you was going to change once you blew up. Nah, nah, nah. That's when I got real believe in that industry shit. I thought you was going to change once you blew up. No, no, no.

That's when I got real. Money shows you who you really are. I like that. If you an asshole, you're going to be a big fucking asshole when you get money. It's like steroids. Yeah. Shout out to Steroid Twin in the building. Right.

Steroid Twin. Why does that look like you standing there? What? He should just get hit and put on the red durag and take some photos. I went and saw Joel Osteen. Look at me. They twin. We call him normal twin and we call him steroid twin. What? Mr. Twin? Yeah, he's on steroids. Ain't that some bullshit?

They don't like you. They're fucking pulling you out and they twist your spine. That's is bullshit. That's brutal. Fuck, he look just like you. God damn. I can't believe Savion Glover's your brother. That's hard. What's your mix?

I'm Dominican straight. I got to go, guys. Yeah, man. I don't know any friends who are Dominican. Yeah, I know. I don't know where he's from. I don't smoke but fuck it. One time? Woooooooo! Woooooooo! What do you mean I don't smoke?

That is the highest of the highest. I don't smoke. Damn! Damn! Damn! It's a vomit night tonight, guys. So what is your favorite part of being a comedian? Obviously, making people laugh is one, but what made you fall in love with Sam?

For me, it was just like, I've always liked seeing people smile. I like seeing people that are fucked up find something to laugh at. Like, this dude, his life sucks. But I can see in his face that he's like I don't give a fuck about this I'm still here And that's what I recognize When I see people I go

I see in their eyes And I go I see what makes them happy And I'm going to try and find That connection So I can continue Your happiness like that So

So no matter what it is Like Bumpy introduced me to rap When he first got out of jail, and rap and I connected like that. Okay, when you say rap, you got to be clear. OG rap. OG rap.

Supreme Magnetics older brother. Right, big and wild. And the whole time I'm talking to you, side note, the whole time I'm talking to you, there's a straight hair hanging off your head. I got a gray hair? No, it's a bald. No, it's bald. I don't know what the fuck that is, but that ain't you. hanging off your head. I got a gray hair? No, it's a, it's a, it's a, No, it's a bald! I'm getting fucking lean hair!

I don't know what that is. I don't know what the fuck that is, but that ain't you. She be mocking my territory, I guess. I met your wife, she don't let you fuck around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She around here somewhere, I don't know. Pop out there like, what the fuck you say?

Come out the water bottle. It's in Cuba and in Puerto Rico, there's definitely dangers. Oh, yeah. There's definitely dangers. But, um, so what is your favorite part of being a comedian? Just seeing people laugh. I don't like that people stop and go, oh, I feel so bad for you.

I'm like, fuck that. At the end of the day, he don't want me to feel bad. He's like, just talk to me like you're talking to them. Otherwise, you're going to make me feel bad. It's the same way I'm snapping on him. You, you, you. You're me feel bad it's the same way i'm snapping on him you you you you all gonna get it the same way because to me there is no like there's no line above men of this women of that this person's that this is a straight line and that's probably my problem in the game because when i meet ceos i don't talk to them any different than

i spoke to the valet guy just now all right so the val guy, I'm like, what's up, man? And then I get in the CEO, how much fucking money? They get mad. I honestly have, my word. I fucking sat in these meetings with like fucking heads of networks.

And I'm like, how much money you make? They're like, what? And I go, you heard me? I mean, you know how much money I make

and you're paying me, so how much fucking money do you make? Then this, my shit ain't bothering you. They get all fucked up because you're not used to people being real so so one of the uh jokes that you did uh you speaking to an Asian guy says something and then you said me you said, me doing that is like watching you drive. And everyone laughed, right?

And he laughed. And he laughed. Because he knew, but this is a day and time. Is those jokes actually dangerous? Because it's only dangerous to the people that don't get them. If you're not in that zone, don't fucking judge your head zone. Like, I laughed, but at the same token,

I could see where someone could be offended. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course, but everyone could be offended by everything. You don't think you're going to get complaints about me

talking to him like this? What? Shit, you're out of your mind. Do you feel like it seems, and I've heard, because where does it come from? I've seen, like, like Seinfeld's talked about this,

like the political correctness has been disturbing comedy recently I mean Seinfeld's the one guy in the world who's ever going to have to worry about that you know what I mean so why is he outspoken because he's worth

300 million dollars so he's like he can be what are you going to do, take his money away? Yeah, white privilege. That's above white privilege, that's Jew privilege, that's even higher. Wow. Yeah. Do you think that's like, is it destroying comedy to a certain extent?

No, it's only destroying the young, weak-minded people that may be influenced by that. But the true comics are never going to be like, oh my God. I only think that when I'm commenting on people's pictures. There's so many times I want to say shit because I know the person and they know how I'm going to take it. But then some other fuck face is going to read it and read it in his tone. Here's the problem. People read shit in their voice.

So if you're happy, you're going to read it in a happy voice. If you're miserable, you're going to read it in a miserable voice. Kevin Hart, he had this controversy when he got caught with this shit. And that was some bullshit too, you know why? And then Michael Blacksmith. Blacksmith.

Blacksmith sounds like somebody who's trying to be a black man. All right. I'm a blacksmith myself. He said comedians are not awful. Literally. Michael said that? We are always awful. No, he's like other comedians not often like

you know there's a real controversy that they got accused of cheating or some shit in Vegas caught with a girl so Michael Blacksman or however you say his name kept, you know, making jokes or the shit. So, you know, Charlemagne and different people

were saying, you know, is this the point when you're going too far? Is there ever time with comedians? The only time it's bad is if comedians start trying to

police comedians. That's when it gets into a fight. We're like, wait, what happened? That means we've been infiltrated by people who are not comedians. And comedians start trying to police comedians. That's when it gets into a fight. We're like, wait, what happened? That means we've been infiltrated by people who are not comedians. And comedians,

we automatically, I tell this to the audience sometimes that when you see a comedian and they're getting dark, you're only seeing 20% of the darkness. Because we got some dark shit. Like comics, comic to comic. But you're like an artist. You gotta go through something to write something.

Yeah, right. But comic to comic, we'll text each other the fucked up shit. Steve Harvey critiqued Monique. Like, I felt like he critiqued me. Steve was a lot of pocket on that. I thought so, too. He was out of pocket? At least he critiqued us.

But, but, but, but, but, but, at least he critiqued us to our face. Yeah. Like a black man was going on other people's platform. Oh, other people's platform. Wait, wait, he said it to her? Yeah, he put all the people on his show. And he said it tough face. Yeah. Like a black man was going on other people's platform. Oh, other people's platform. Wait, wait. He said it to her? Yeah, he put it all over the show.

And he said it to her? Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, that was a little different. Even though he was out of pocket,

which I believe he was out of pocket, at least he did it in a way where it's the most in-box way to do it. to him at the same time. Listen, I relate it

to Monique in a sense because one thing was very difficult to do. A lot of people don't know this, that when I did Industry Shakedown, bro, I was getting phone calls from dudes like, yo, man, what the fuck you doing, man? I was hearing this on the phone. They were saying this on the phone, yo, bro, what's good, man? But I was hearing, you insult Mr. Charlie? Oh, no, you I was hearing You insult Mr. Charlie

Oh no You don't do that To Mr. Charlie You know We's can't be dudes And that to Mr. Charlie You can't talk bad About Mr. Charlie

That's what I was hearing You know what I'm saying But I felt like Yo what the fuck Motherfucker I'm kicking down the door Everybody gonna run in Behind me and get the money

Right Whether y'all look back At me or not Don't matter But that's what I felt like I felt like It was dudes that were saying Like yo man

I'll fuck with you If you don't fuck with that guy Freddie Fox If you don't fuck with him I'll fuck with you You know what I mean And you believe that That phrase blackballed

Is a real thing Oh hell yeah it's a real thing Because It's real I know that's definitely a real thing Because Because Listen I can't say it's real or not But so many, it's real. It's real? I know, that's definitely a real thing. Because, listen, I can't say it's real or not, but some of the people that I've...

Hold on, I'm telling you it's real. Hold on. The people that I've seen be accused of it were dead liars. The people I've seen. Accused of doing it? Of getting it to happen to. Saying that they...

Oh, you mean saying that they were blackballed? They were using that as an excuse. They were using it as an excuse because... It's a real thing. When they were blackballing Hollywood you don't get an email or a text saying by the way you feel it have you ever read the BT band just turn your fucking back on all Google a BT band artist list. We should get that online. Come on. Come on. What are you doing? And nobody's supposed to

win an award. It's just like a thing that people know. Like, they start to tell each other like executives. And despite all of that shit, bro, my passion and my love for making music

has been my only force and drive Is that Nobody can tell Nobody can tell me And I've never been homeless Thank God I've never had to be I've never worried about being kicked out of no boy

I haven't had those issues Because I've been able to still Persevere and keep it moving I may not make the millions everybody's making But I'm alright man One thing I see about you Is when I did that You know know, I like to do study. Like before, when I started this, I just wanted to be all organic, and then I said, you know

what? It's better for me to do studies and be organic with it. So when I did this search about you, you can just see it, man. Every time you rhyme, Like you really still enjoy it Like And that's something That I admire Because

There's been times in my life Where I just lost Love for hip hop bro It's hard It's like You could have lost Love Have you ever

Ever Ever Because I have Like but I have I mean obviously I don't know about love I've been Mad as fuck at it But but I think that's me going. You know the bad list. Okay Coogee rap what is BT band?

Coogee rap Who's the bad list from? I don't know. Come on, guys. Let me take it. Koojiraf, Craig G, MC Lyte, Buckshot, Koojiraf, A-Plus,

Drew, J. Rool, A-Plus. Ain't nobody know who A-Plus is unless you're Bahamadea, The Brat, Goody Mob, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Black Moon, E-40, Cannabis, I still can't remember the band, my bad. I met the band too. Afura, Capadonna, Channel Live, Coco Brothers, Freddie Foxx with three X's. Three X's.

Jesus. At least they spelled my name right. Jizzle. I was about to say Jizzle. I fucked up this new generation. Easy LP. No, LP. Excuse me, LP. That's the white guy.

I remember him. D.O.C., Diamond D, Dead Prez, De La Soul, MF Doom, Camp Low, Ghetto Boys, Brand Nubian, Boot Camp Click, KRS-One, Black Sheep, Wakehorn, Fourth Avenue Jones, Heather B, J.O. Felony, Killer Priest, Lil C's, McGruff, Mike Geronimo, Moaning Love, Moaning Love, Most Def, Ice Cube,

Harry Glifrix, Gene Green, Nate Dogg, OC, and Onyx. The reason why their music is not relevant to the BET audience, 12 to 19 year old black females, Buck shot speaks out. And that's the BET audience, 12 to 19-year-old black females bug shots,

speaks out. Is that the real reason? Now, this is my point for that. When I heard about that, I've called me... How did you hear about that? Because fans say, yo, man,

my fans were bugging off that shit, but I didn't pay that shit no mind. So when you ask me about losing love, it's the love for what I do that keeps me above stupid shit like that. You understand what I'm saying? It's the love for what I do that

keeps me above the ignorant motherfuckers who feel like that word relevant. I hate that fucking word relevant, bro. I always say that. That shit don't matter. Soulja Boy fans isn't relevant to Nas fans Nas fans isn't relevant To Soulja Boy fans

But see the thing is You gotta keep Remember we're in The listening business bro So if somebody Play you something And what you're listening to Don't excite your endorphins

Then that's not for you Whether It don't mean it's not relevant Individually Yeah It's just not for you When you People have

Over critiquing music So much bro That it's to the point Where it's like relevant. Individually. Yeah, it's just not for you. People are over-critiquing music so much, bro, that it's to the point where it's like, come on, bro. Like Old Town Road? You fuck with Old Town Road? I don't let nobody judge me that don't know how to do what I do. So if you don't like it, fuck you.

That's what that means. When you listen to part of my life. You understand? So, you understand? You got people in the game that don't know how to make music. They just like listening to it. So don't judge me to They don't know how to make music They don't They just like listening to it

Right So don't judge me You don't know how to do What I do bro You walk into a fucking studio Any studio on this planet I can walk into it Tell the engineer

Yo bounce Right I'm good I don't need you bro I don't need you And that's my accolade I'm happy that I can do that shit Right

Just like Russ can say Yo I'm driving past A comedy club Yo let me stop And go work out Motherfuckers say Oh shit Russell Peters is in it

They throw you on stage For a minute You can handle that shit Nah I would've eaten it Yeah But Is it true When Nas was going through it

With Jay Z You was I rode with him hard body Only because With Jay No nah I rode with Nas And my boy Chuck

Was riding with Jay And the goal was To keep that situation from getting physical. We wanted to make sure. You were the buffer. No, we weren't. Jay never knew I was with Nas.

It was buffer huggles. It was, it was, it was, it was. It was, it was. Whatever. Whatever. The reason why I did that Because Nas is like A little brother to me

And I fuck with Jay-Z Hard body But my boy Chuck Is really close to Jay-Z And you know I felt like I didn't want to see that Turn into Tupac Biggie

You know what I'm saying So I tried to make sure That if And Nas didn't really Have any problems With the Brooklyn cats or with cats that was with Jay. Like, that was just,

we was hoping that as long as it stayed rap, we could stay in the background. You know what I mean? And sometimes just your presence, a certain person's presence can show people that people got certain strengths.

We ain't playing. We don't want to go that way. We want, let's not. We ready either way. Because I swear to you, man, one of my, one of the biggest regretful memories

in hip-hop is knowing that Biggie and Pac ain't here no more. Just imagine how big that would have been. I remember both, correct? Yeah, I knew both of them,

but I knew Pac better, but Biggie was very, very cool, man. I love Big Pac. That was my man. But, you know, the thing about that is it sucks, man,

to see all these media platforms hanging on these beefs, man, and gassing up these motherfuckers and pushing pushing pushing we sad about the media is posting up this shouldn't be this way and then you know we're all fucked up but you guys are selling this beef selling this beef and who benefited from that no who actually can say that they benefited from Biggie and Pop dying? Now, is this true? I'm not sure

if you can answer this question. Maybe you can. There was a more disrespectful version of ether that actually existed. Yeah. Does that exist? Let me tell you something. Just for the record,

from the first time I ever heard Nas rhyme to this very day, that motherfucker been nice. Right. Nice, nice, nice. And I remember telling this motherfucker, I said, dog, Jay-Z is a different kind of animal, you know? And I said, I know you know what you got to do. I know how you deal with it, but just whatever you do, bro, you gotta be, you're gonna have to

be real witty. Because Jay-Z's not the average rapper. And Nas is already a, he's already in his own head about a lot of things. You know what I'm saying? Like, he pays more attention than you think he's paying. So he picks up the... Word?

He picks up things. Word? I'm not getting my first drink. I got Indian friends. That's some real Indian shit. That's some Indian shit right there. That's some real Indian gangsta shit. That's some Indian shit. We got way more liquor. There was no reason to do that.

I needed the ice. Wow. We got the ice. Wow. But continue this story. That was to be one of the top battles in the game. Hold on, hold on. Because he's such a dope MC and because Jay-Z is so

incredible as an MC, the fact that they were able to... But takeover drops, right? Yeah. Because at the time, I believe Nas' mom also passed away, I drops, right? Yeah. That's when you, because at the time, I believe Nas' mom also passed away, I believe, right? Yeah, yeah.

So, is this around the same time takeover drops? This was before, because I remember when Nas was in Long Island, that big ass mansion in Long Island.

Right, right. And, You say you see in his bedroom and it had all full of books. All books. Just a bunch of books and the funny thing is, I do my history. Yeah, you shock and it had all full of books all books just a bunch of books and then you know Yeah, you shop on it

Room full of books. I never seen it was like he's sleeping in libraries And um, you know, he was he's definitely deeper than a lot of cats even can imagine You know, I think that quiet shit works to me. He's a study. He studies man you know what i'm saying i don't i don't see nothing bad that came out of that because they they kept it rap they kept the hip-hop you know saying that was my premise that was my whole premise but let's break it down because you felt like as an older brother that you had to so so was it you heard takeover nah i never heard the takeover i just this is before he wrote it before this is this is before he actually wrote the rhyme um now before Rob before Nas

actually wrote ether okay I was I was really like he was around me a lot we was driving takeovers already out yeah take it I think Jay dropped first right yeah Jay dropped first and Nas was studying I remember me and Nas being in the city one day and they had a big poster of him in Times Square. I'll tell you something. Maybe Google me if I'm wrong, but TakeOver, this was the first time TakeOver dropped

and everyone, being the fact that Nas didn't respond immediately, the world was saying Nas was over. Oh yeah, I saw you out. I remember that. He took too long. immediately the world was saying now it was over I knew it too but I couldn't face it it's like one month pass I think it was like four to six months of his it was a long time It was 2002 right I know when the ether drop 2002

Two months it took. Three months it took. You guys are wrong. Damn, that shit felt like nine months to me. But he was, you know, and that's the smart thing about him. But in that time period, that took an entire year! You're showing us two months? No, I'm not. No, in December it's four months.

Then, that's a full month. Come on, four months. Okay, I was close. I said three to six. Yeah, I said three to six. Listen to me, he's studying. Some of these dudes now. In, I said three to six. Listen, he's studying. He's studying. Some of these dudes now.

And dream champs, nothing matters. They rush. They rush, rush, rush. They rush, rush, rush. Nowadays, you see. Yeah, they rush, rush, rush to respond because you've got a bunch of dudes around you that don't wrap gas in you. You've got to do it now.

He dissed you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nas is much more complex than that. He's like a chess player. He's a Virgo. He's much more Complex than that He's like a chess player Like He's a Virgo He's a Virgo He's a chess player

Yeah Virgo Yes So did you Did you have doubt At any time Like because Like the world had doubt

Like you know what I'm saying That's my brother too But the world had doubt Because That record Take over Like I didn't think It was big

Until Jay did it at summer jam remember that one year he did it and then he put prodigy in the back that's when that's when in the ballerina joint and i just felt like i went spoke to my moms i, you need to tell me right now. Do I got any crazy bitches out there? Any crazy bitches out there? Was I ever there? Did I ever stay in my sister's class too long? Is there anything somebody can pull? My mom said, you got to relax.

You ain't going to ballerina school over here, y'all. But that's when That was real That was real Like After you seeing that You did Like

Was that nervous That's a different type of I look at it like You were like Floyd Mayweather The guy holding the mitts With Nas That's how I look at it

Nah I wasn't I wasn't nervous Because we never Talked about that When I was around Nas We never talked about Jay-Z. Wow. Maybe once he would mention, yeah, homeboy said this. But Holmes, he said, Holmes said this.

But he never went, like, it was never no drawn-out conversation because we were just moving about our day and moving about, you know what I'm saying? And I think that was a time when Chuck, Chuck was the one who put the Michael Jackson situation together for Jay. Oh, for Summer Jack. Remember when he brought Michael Jackson out? That was big Chuck who did that. Yeah, that was my man Chuck. So

Chuck and I were both in the background every day talking on the phone. I was calling Chuck, Chuck calling me. And we all really, see the thing is there's a connection connection Everybody's cool Chuck is cool with Jay I'm cool with Nas Me and Chuck is cool

You know Me and Jay I got a lot of respect For Jay-Z And every time He's ever seen me There's always been respect Me and Nas is good

So it's always been That it ain't like We don't know each other You know what I'm saying So He never talked about Jay-Z though bro No I'm saying Maybe he didn't talk Jay-Z though Bro No I'm saying

Maybe he didn't talk about it But you had to hear about What Jay did At the Summer Jam Cause I think He disproved it In the same year As he brought out Michael Jackson

So Alright here it is He has this Summer Jam moment You hear Ether Did you hear Ether Before it came out First off Yeah

Okay Alright Dan I ain't gonna play This nigga Let me hear his face Yo I hear his face Did you hear Aether before it came out first off? Yeah. Okay. All right, Dan, I ain't gonna play with this nigga face. Let me hear his face. Yo, I hear his face. Yo, I hear his face. You know why? You know why? I come from the battle era, and I just was happy.

I'm not gonna lie. I just was happy. You're the happiest you've been this whole time. Because I knew. I knew. You know what it is? It's like when you see a young prodigy, a little young protege of a cat that you know. Like, to me, Nas has always been a baby Rakim to me.

Right, right. You know what I'm saying? And you see Rakim from the beginning. And I know Rakim from Kid Wizard when he was famous in the hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? And you know, in your mind, in your mind, deep in your mind, you know this kid can't go out. Because if this kid goes out, it kind of kills you.

Like, what you represented. Pretty much. So, all right. So, was listen your face just lit up I was there Listening to that shit I was like wow So now He calls you to the studio How does this situation happen? I would like to If I'm not mistaken If I can remember correctly I think we was in a car

How about that? I was just going to say He pulled over No he don't Nas didn't even drive Yeah I still I don't drive neither He's way richer than me

So I can't even Say that I think he was in I think he was in a car and he played this shit, I think, if I'm not mistaken. Look, every time something good happens on the green chair, there's a fucking train coming through. Hey, because that's the...

Don't worry about it. So I... The train is a metaphor for our lives. That's right. Life is running a fucking train on us. And eventually that train ends somewhere. So he calls you, you think you in the car, right? If I'm not mistaken, I remember him playing.

And is it you, him, jungle? It was just me and him. Just you and him. Most of the time it was me and him. And a driver, I would imagine. Right, and a driver. So tell the friends, you don't drive. And it was like, I just was quiet, man.

I was like, oh, shit. You know, and't drink. And it was like, it was like, I just was quiet, man. I was like, oh, shit. All right. You know? And then I smiled and I was like, I just was, I wasn't, I already knew the record

was going to be dope. Right. But I was just happy that it was so dope, that it was quality shit. And it was like, his lines was right, you know,

everything was perfect. And I was like, yo, this motherfucking kid, man. I was so proud of him, man. You know why I love that record is because when he started to rank on him that's that reminded me of lunchroom battles like to me lunchroom battles it was like this and if I had to say something against you I would just rank on you battle rap That's what battle rap was kind of like to me. You said the beat felt that way. Battle rap was kind of like comedy.

It's exactly that. It's like if I'm more funny than you with my rap and you might have better bars, but if you ain't got the crowd, oh! You can be as lyrical as you want. Gotta be funny.

And that's basically what I'm saying when I tell you, I was like, Jay's not the type of rapper you could just try to, you gotta, you gotta. So you think he adjusted based on what you said? I don't know if he adjusted based on what I said

But I know he heard my perspective Because he could have been more like Lyrically like Yeah he got my perspective He got some perspective from Rakim He got a little bit of perspective from me Wait a minute No one's never heard

You didn't know that? Yeah he spoke to Rakim. So he spoke, before he responded to Jay, he spoke to Rakim, had a meeting. I don't know if it was a meeting. I know they had a conversation and Rakim gave him some advice. You know what I'm saying? No, I've never heard this. That's like the hip-hop masons got to be.

Whoa. I think Nas had, one thing about him him I don't believe he does What other people tell him I think he listens I think he listens to what people say And then he makes his own decision Based on what people say You know what I'm saying

I think that's what he does But you know I ain't gonna lie I was concerned When I see Because Jay-Z don't Jay-Z is just that dope Of an MC Like he's

He just You know He got a lot of fans Who love him They're loyal He got loyal Loyal Loyal fans

Loyal fans And he got bars You know He got bars Like bars Like bars Top tier bars Who Jay-Z

Yeah Jay-Z got bars We don't always know Whose bars they are, but actually, if you're, yeah, I do know who. Whose bars? I know neither one of you want to talk about that because you're rappers, but as a fan, whose bars? It bothers me.

What, he bars Big's bars? He borrows bars. I like that, though. No, I don't. He bars like that. Whose bars? Everybody's, well, mostly Biggie and Big L, anybody who's dead, basically. Big L, damn, Big L's one of my favorites. We had that seven minute freestyle with Big L and then Big L died and I heard Jay-Z spit the same rhyme and I go, Wait a minute, hold on a minute.

I can't lie, Karras one's one of my favorites. I take his bars all the time. How many bars? You take his bars? I had the whole, listen to some Grind grinding remix. I started grinding remix. Criminal minded, you been blinded. No, that's different. It's very different. The only problem is no one kind of identifies where I'm getting it from. No, no, no.

That's a little different. That's my funny mode too. That wasn't funny. Who was it? Was it you? No, I hit myself. But what I'm saying is- No, starting a rhyme is different. Starting a rhyme is like paying homage, I think, in my mind. Like, it fits right here, and if I thought it was the way it was... That's what I think he's doing. I mean, I think now it's even worse because nowadays you go to rap shows,

and you'll see some of these motherfuckers do a whole set of a motherfucker's records and shit. I don't know, they call it paying homage but you don't think starting a rhyme awesome like I'm similar to some that's great just a rhyme flip you could use other words like listen I'll give you a good example I took a Curtis Mayfield line and used it in here you know when he said we people who are dark and in blue, you know, and I said, my sisters, the black sisters who are,

and I don't remember the rhyme and shit. And you wrote the rhyme. Yeah, my black sisters of a light skin, something, you know, he said something in a record and I took it and I flipped it. But, you know, that's just studying. You know what I'm saying?

You study. I don't want to call it homage because that's bullshit. Motherfuckers ain't paying homage to no motherfucker. I mean, I think it is paying homage. That's bullshit. It's bullshit.

No, I was saying it's bullshit. It's not homage. I don't think that's bullshit. This is a run flip. It's not homage. I mean, you're using something to start your shit. If it's homage,

pay the motherfucker for the shit you take. Well, that's literally paying homage. You know what? He's right. He's right. He's right. You know what? He's right. He's right. That's homage.

No, he's right. You fucking hell. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? He's right. He's right. Oh, my life's still sister, can't you tell? You're just a service of Adopt-D-Well.

That's Curtis Mayfield. No, no, he's right. And then you homage. You know what I mean? Shit. What did I say? I said, Nori know this, and Nori know that, but Nori no gap, it's Nori buck that. What the fuck is that from?

Bo know this, Bo know that, Bo know no jack. But it's a rhyme flip. It ain't homage, it's a rhyme flip. For me it was homage. Because if it was homage you would have said, I got that part from so and so, big up to him for that. That's semantics. No, that's not semantics. That's homin.

You got that. That's homin. Anti-semantics. That's homin. That's not homin. You're anti-semantics, man. It's just a rhyme flip. There's nothing wrong with a rhyme flip, bro.

You got to understand that. I think you got it. As an artist, you're saying one thing, but as a fan, I can tell you this. When you say something like, nobody know this, and nobody ever go, okay, as far as a hip hop fan,

I go, okay, he pays attention to hip hop. Yeah. He quotes something from back in the day. I will accept that. Or somebody comes in like, it's not a good joke

because it's how it's making you wonder how it keep it going under. And then they go to another verse and I'm like, that's them paying homage. But when you take a fucking verse, that's another verse. A verse is wrong.

Like when you say when the Remy's in the system, ain't no telling how the fuck I'm gonna diss him, that's what these hoes been yelling. See, I credit it to the same verse. Like, when you say when the Remy's in the system, ain't no telling how the fuck I'm gonna diss him. That's what these hoes been yelling. See, I credit it to the same thing. No, I could give you, like, the little key,

but once you go past that, you fucking, you know, you went from paying homage to taking a fucking verse. I think the innuendo of a rhyme is to remind you of something else. That's homage.

To me, it's paying homage. But maybe not you. I'm not an MC. When you take a rhyme, I'm like, let me give you an example. Okay. As a rhyme, I'm like, let me give you an example. Let me give you an example. Okay.

As a DJ, I loved it. I'll mix that shit the fuck up. But he's been a DJ for 34 years, right? Before you say something, you quote an APMD line.

I mean, not an APMD line, public enemy line. And, you know, some people came before you. That's considered as homage. No, I wasn't doing it to pay homage.

I was using a rhyme flip. I was flipping a rhyme. If somebody do a DJ routine from, let's say Grandmaster Flash do a DJ routine. Right. And somebody knows his, he plays the same exact records in the same form he played them. And they don't acknowledge that as homage. This is not homage. Well, that's it.

They don't acknowledge it. That's my point. That. Well, that's it. They don't acknowledge it. That's my point. That's my point. But to me... That's my point. But to me, usually the MC that uses lines that we all kind of universally know,

they know that we know... But the homage line... The homage line is bullshit to make them be... So people don't critique them for buying somebody's shit. If they're not... But you're calling it a flip.

But if they're flipping it in the lyrics, it's different. If it's a line, it's different. If it's a verse, it's biting. No, no. I'm not saying verse. I like when they start the rhyme. That's a flip. It's just a rhyme flip. That's all. And that's okay? It's okay if you're nice and you flip it and it

works, but saying that it's homage to me is an excuse. I don't think that's homage. I think homage is the common line and once you go past it, you're nice and you flip it and it works but saying that it's homage to me is an excuse I don't think that's homage I think homage is the common line and once you go past it you're in your own territory

I think it becomes subjective if you think it's homage yeah it's subjective to who's doing it and how like I hear a lot of young cats

try to use I just seen Busta Rhymes post a picture with Migos offset on his hairstyle oh hairstyle and I think Busta Rhymes posted a picture with Migos Offset on his hairstyle, and I think Busta put his picture right next to Offset and said, thank you, but... In your opinion, do you think...

No, that's called a hair flip. No, but it's the opposite of what it's the same. It's the same. It's the same. You like? It's the same because here goes one guy who did the same exact style. Did you say hair goes one guy? Hair goes one guy.

Hair goes one guy. Hair guy. I knew a girl with super hair. She had super hair. No more? You took my beard, bro? Adam's the damn big fella. I don't think fuck beard, bro. I don't think me goes, I don't think me goes, what's my man? Hey, what's my man? Hey, what's my man? hair she has no more to my big film

they do appear to bring me goes I don't think meals are for man and I'm set off set right all set so I'm gonna set that pair of homies about the bus that took it as suck maybe because he didn't want to say don't motherfucker why you trying to look like me you're saying that's

really a bus wanted to say your mother for me that's good but how he looks and your office you wearing to look like me you say? Buster wanted to say your mother fucker. That's good. I mean he looks saying your offset you wearing your hair like me Like come on, bro. What's they gonna play itself like that buddy? But so the cool shit is to say let me go ahead and snatch this rebound real quick homage. All right. Thank you That's all I don't get less people use that homage word so fucking loosely, bro. That shit is crazy. You know what you should do? You should make a... Has anybody ever

taken your jokes, repeated them and said... Yeah, I've had them, but... It's all fake homage. It ain't homage. In comedy, it's like, did you just put on my fucking underwear?

What the fuck is wrong with you? There's no homage in you coming. I don't want to take your joke that day. They take your shit. That's war, son. That's war. They're going to war. And, you know, everybody's guilty of it at some point on some level.

Wasn't Joe Rogan accused of taking the jokes? No. Who was? Joe Rogan accused Carlos Mencia. Carlos Mencia. It wasn't accused. He called him out. There was a accusation, then they uh, Carlos Matias. It wasn't accused. He called him out. There was a cataclysm and then they was just calling you out.

Yeah. And the fucking Honduran guy. He's not even. He was German. He was German? He was German Honduran. He was not German. But he was black.

He was Mexican. He was playing along. He was Mexican. He was Mexican. Yeah. He's German? You can't say that, man. We can't. That's blasphemy. You can't say that. Why is it blasphemy?

Because he was Mexican, man. No, no, no. He's German and Honduran. Yeah, he's German and Honduran. Which is not uncommon, to be actually honest. What? I mean, to be German to any South or Central American is pretty common. The Nazis all fled to South America, just FYI.

Talk to fucking Peruano over there. Yes. So there's a lot of horses. Ain't no... Yeah. No, I- I- I- Why do you think it was called Lake Titicaca? Cause they were shitting on bitches' chests back then.

What the fuck? What the fuck? It got off, wait. It got off. That's not- that wasn't off the rails right there. I don't know how you got here. Wait, here's the best part. There's a place in Peru called Lake Titicaca. That's what he said. He's a.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cheech, you got the yellow? That's myrtle. Myrtle is the color of the rose. So I see one part of your show where you brought these other comedians out and at the end of the night you actually cut them out of your own check. What do you mean? Like you like... Oh, I paid them? You paid them out of your thing. Like, why do you do that?

The good ones think you know they're good. And the comedy game is like, you mad fucking broke until you make it. When people go, oh man, I really struggled. I'm like, no you didn't. You don't really know what it's like. I'm going to give you an example. I started in 1989. And it's 2019 right now

and I take comics on the road with me and when I play like a comedy club I'll be like how much do you guys pay for the weekend I'll go okay

whatever you pay add on whatever amount of mine it will equal to this so that whatever you take out of mine equal it onto there so that they feel like

they just did something this weekend wow so but here's the thing the comedy rates from 89 to 2019 30 years later they feel like they just did something this weekend. Wow. But here's the thing. The comedy rates from 89 to 2019, 30 years later, is the exact same pay.

You will get $50 to MC per show, or you will get $100 to middle. This is comedy clubs. From when I started to now, it's the exact same pay scale. 50 to 100. I have no idea what you're talking about, by the way. Let me tell you this. If I do a comedy club for a weekend and there's eight shows,

the emcee will only make $50 per show. You mean the host? The host. Okay. $50 per show. And the guy who goes on before me, after the emcee, will make $100 per show. So he'll make $800.

Is he the headliner or no? No, I'm the headliner. The emcee headliner or no? No, I'm the headliner. The MC's the headliner? No, no, no. I'm the headliner. The MC is the guy hosting. The middle guy's the guy who's going to host.

No, no. Then there's a guy after. He's called the middle. He goes on the middle and then I close. Right. But the club will pay $50 to the MC

and $100 to the middle guy. So the MC will make $400 for the weekend and the middle guy will make 800. And I'll take whatever amount out of my money because I'm making a nice amount. I'll say, I'll cut this out of mine, put it in theirs. So they're not fucking. I mean, they're going to get a struggle weekend anyway. It's not like I just want to break the cycle for them. No. You do that with the club or you do that directly with them? With the club. I mean they're going to get a struggle weekend anyway It's not like I just want to break the cycle for them To let them know

You do that with the club Or you do that directly with them? With the club I tell the club I go look You're going to write a check for Salto I want you to take whatever it takes out of mind To make theirs equal this

On both of them That's dope And then They'll walk away at least feeling like You know they did something But here's the thing It's like rare. Very rare. Very rare. But here's the thing, it's like I've been in the game long enough to see how shitty it can be.

I remember driving 400 miles to fucking go make $60 for the weekend, for the night, because I... and the only upside was $60. The three of us were a blunt, and the other time was a joint. It hurt my throat. This is a blunt. It's going to be a little lighter. Is it different? Yeah, a little lighter. You're still gonna die.

I know that shit is nice, right? Yeah, you're good. So, go ahead, come see me. Comedy Expeditions. Fuck, he used to drive me back to the gigs back in the day, he'd stand up. I didn't have a car back then, he was like, let's go, so we'd go.

Anyway, $60 to go 400 miles to do a show. And you got free fountain drinks all night. So I could drink all the Coca-Cola I want. But I didn't drink at the time. So I was like, it's perfect. And at dinner, I'm good. I'll drive right back home. But that's what it was.

It was like $30 to get there, $30 to get back. And then you get paid. You get paid. And you felt great. Now, wouldn't it be nice to be having to do some shitty gig? And you know you're going to get shit paid. And then the guy, the headliner surprises you with like, hey, man, here's what you're worth. Right.

At this point. That's dope, man. That's why I do it to make it feel good. That's dope, man. Because I feel like the disparity between a lot of money and shit money. You got to invite them on tour anyway. Invite them on tour? No mas, cabrón. I think I'm almost done.

I can do one more bottle. Another bottle? I can do one more bottle. I'm not Davey Thorne. Nah, see me? That's why I drink this shit. Because I'm a what? That's why I drink this shit. Because I'm a wet. That's how I lick bitches' pussies.

What? Mo' wet, motherfucker. Mo' wet. That was hard. Mo' wet. OK, I get it now. I want to hear that in song. I just want to know it when I hear that song go.

Yeah. So I got to say you said it, then I'm paying homage. Yeah, right? Right, right. Not even. Just say my said it, then I'm paying humbles. Yeah, right? Just say my name, god damn it. You're not my shit, Rodney Russell. My mother's going to do credits no more. No, no, no. Will you include me in a fucking rhyme?

Do you think this generation is doomed? No, you know, here's the thing. People can only be stupid for so long. And then their logic kicks in and goes, what the fuck, enough. You show all your life, it's like I'm turning it out to, like, idiocracy. You ever seen that movie, Idiocracy?

Yeah, I know, but people hit a wall with it, and they go, okay, now that's it. That's enough. That's too stupid. They don't hit a wall. Something happens that the wall hits them. Either way, they stop. They go, uh-uh.

And the idiots will fucking stay there and the smart people will move around. It's like a tang and they'll keep going to the next level. While the others keep walking into the fucking wall back and forth. I forgot what the question was. You answered it very well, my friend. Fucking genius.

This generation. Romeo. this generation Romeo Play the fucking air Dominican public with this. Here's the harp. Just play your harp, buddy. Is that Aventura? No, no. Aventura. I was playing Aventura. Look. Pass my phone, Puck. It's on right now.

Here's what you don't know about me. I'm a bachata fanatic. Indeed. Don't pull it. And you got a whole album for me. Got you. Get on the rice to this. I know good luck, motherfuckers.

Here's my favorite song. Thank you for giving me knock knock. 20 years ago I used to drive home with a broken heart and cry to this song. And here's the best part, didn't understand Spanish a day in my life. 20 years later I fucking get it, but right now, you know. He produced that record. You're Joe Glass? I've never used that Spanish a day in my life. Well, 20 years later I fucking get it, but right now, you know. He produced that record. You're Joe Vlas?

FYI. You're El Hombre de Tu Vida? No, you're the man of my life? Son of a bitch! Alright, hold on, this is gonna get sued. All right, so how did you guys connect, finally? How the fuck did we connect? Because this is...

Russ, I got a call from... Because both of you guys are drink chance worthy, but the fact that we could have you guys together, that's crazy. I'm gonna tell you how it happened. Russ was playing Radio City, and I'm one of the people, was happened. Russ was playing Radio City. And I wondered if it was a Mass Day. No.

Marco Polo called me and said, yo, man, Russell Peters want to know if you'll. Coogee Raps Marco Polo? Marco Polo, my Canadian brother. Coogee Raps. Polo is Polo. Marco Polo is the producer No but he Doesn't he work a lot With Mastase

He does a lot of shit With Mastase Marco Polo Mastase Rusty Jux Yeah so he said Yo man Russell Peters

Want to meet you Yo he got a couple Tickets for you To come to his comedy show So I was like Alright dope So I went And he said

After the show was over They got like a backstage Thing or whatever man And I just went back there And I seen all these fucking All my hip hop icons It was like Mount Rushmore Back there man

I seen Mel And Herc And all these I said holy fuck man I felt like And you didn't know Who he was at first? No I knew of him

As a comedian But I never met him personally And I was like oh shit You didn't know he was a hip hop head I didn't know he was a hip hop head like that he's a fucking DJ in 34 years so what's he was scratching to I thought she's gonna fuck up I was watching nice I'm watching I'll show you a clip of yourself fucking up he's made I can find one so you know I try I told you when I first met him I told him what my

favorite shit used to juggle when I make mixed Indian style these band dashiki Indian style and then I was just stuck in fast any style any style any style Connection for me I Stabbed medallion No, I mean My god, he's your people Cocaine and Flush right now. Call him! Call him! Royal Flush is selling cocaine and flushing right now. Come on! Come on! Royal Flush is selling cocaine and flushing right now. Come on! Come on! That's the same shit for 20 years.

Royal Flush has been defeated by his wife. Royal Flush has been defeated by his wife. Oh God. I wasn't ready for that part. I wasn't ready for that part. I'm going to get some cheeseburger baby after this. I've been going two weeks to Hardcore eating the worst I can eat. Son of a bitch.

I'm telling you, he's selling cocaine, brother. He ain't ours, brother. He doesn't. Shout out to Royal Flush. Big up to Royal Flush. Love that dude. Oh, man. Joe Fatal connected with Royal Flush somehow.

Okay, so Let's continue Your relationship So I was I was surprised Because He knew My music And I was like

You know Usually when somebody Knows my music It's like some Real real Head Like you got Hip hop head

Like you know what I'm saying And he was like Yo the shakedown And he was going Into other shit And I was like Oh shit Wow man I was impressed You know Right And I was like Oh shit Wow man

I was impressed You know Right And then one day He called me He said yo man You should come out To Cali for a couple days

Come kick it with me Hang out Then you knew he was rich I wasn't Nah I didn't I wasn't doing shit When I got there I found out

I was like Oh shit We racing around In these fancy cars and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This motherfucker was just a row of keys. It was a row of keys on the counter. He's like, yo, whatever you want to drive, just take one. I told Norrie the same shit.

He didn't believe me. No, no, no. I definitely believed you, sir. I said, I got Google. I said, no way. Next thing you come to LA, stay at the crib. No, no, no. We have man cars you can get around.

I got Google. I was like, you know what I around. It was like going to camp. You know what I'm saying? I went out there for like a week. I think I was out there, and I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. We just, he said, yo, I got to go. We went to another part of California. He was like, you drive that.

He's going to drive that. We were racing all these cars. This is Malibu. This is Malibu. I feel like this is Malibu. You never came to the... I'm drunk. I was in the first... The first crib I was in.

The first crib was in... It was before Malibu. It was before Malibu. Because listen, I invited Russell Peters to Studio City. You did come to Studio City. I'm trying to floss on him, right?

I'm like, yo, come to Malibu's Soho house. He's like, hey, guy, I'm not a member. I said, exactly. That's why you got your black one. You got your black one. Yo, here's the ill shit.

This is where the king would pick me up that day. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah. That got drunk real quick. So I'm sitting there. And I'm like, okay. Then I realized real fast. He kept saying, you know, I got to call people to come get me.

I was like, you don't call, like, Uber? He's like, nah. And I just realized. I said, oh, shit. And this is the first time I invited him. I tried to floss on him. So I invited him. And then, you know, I tried to take care of the bill.

Because that's the type of person I am. I like to take care of the bill. And he went to the guy. He's like, relax. He threw his car down. I'm thinking what it was. It was an Amex big boy. I don't remember what kind.

It was black. It was black. All right, cool. I wanted you to say it. It was a black it was black I had the old blackie knuckles car because I was like all right cool you took care of this bill but then I had my wife's bill downstairs so I was like all right cool you took care of this this is us because you know we went upstairs but I got outside so yo let me just I should just take care of this this is us because you know we went upstairs but I got up so I said yo let me just I can just take care

of this right now he's like oh give me that one too I said oh shit this guy is getting that guapalina I also knew he was a gentleman

I knew that he had his wife with him she was bored I could see it in her face she was like yeah yeah yeah definitely and then he left

and he went and had dinner with Fat Joe at fucking Craig's yes it's a fact was that the same day I think it was the next day yes it was it was the same day

it was on TMZ the next day that's probably why I don't remember it I just saw TMZ I was like that really was me but um

hip hop man holy moly okay we got three hours already that's hard alright thank. You could have probably said that to my face Yeah, my god Let you know we talking some you have white class would you do that? That's real. That's real. I love, I love, I love talking. Have you watched Hip Hop Revolution?

I have not watched Hip Hop Revolution. I've watched every other stand-up you had because I wanted to focus on you today. You have? Did you like it? Yes. That was me, son. No, I know. No, I know.

The next thing we're going to talk about. I feel like the people... Man, I haven't been on it yet, though. Yeah, look. Listen, I got you on the better... I'm not tell you everything when you're hip-hop you want to be a part of all these Documentaries or docu-series. I'm not really it's hard, but there's something yes, you have like 1200 Expresses on Netflix, huh?

1200 Netflix uh-huh 1200 is no you listen to the universe they got more people to you is you know just kill you is Russell Crowe like when you do you want that play down the first guy on Netflix no started it is the first comedian that are you s that's a cool goes up first I just only a I don't mind there's a white man Russell Crowe goes up first I don't mind he's a white man we're just going to see him

before the meeting so did you sell these specials to Netflix I sold a bunch of them and then I started

the whole straight to Netflix deal so you did that before Momik before anybody you didn't have no Momik problems

listen here's what my problem was they gave me whatever they gave me and they were were like, Dave Chappelle, here's $60 million. Chris Rock, it's $40 million. I'm not saying I'm Dave or Chris, but at least give me a little bit extra since you opened this motherfucking door for you. That's how I felt when I did this reshakedown. You know what I'm saying?

That's what I said. You know what I mean? It's the same shit. I kicked the fucking door down. The motherfuckers came behind me. It was like, you know, I'm saying You know what I mean It's the same shit I kicked the fucking door down The motherfuckers came behind me It was like You know I was setting dudes

And listen bro I was literally calling dudes And saying yo man You should sign this kid This kid is good In the independent world You know what I mean In the indie world

And it was cats Who was turning around like I would fall out with the person That I introduced them to And they'd turn around And go oh don't worry about Bump That's my man He ain't gonna do nothing to you

As long as I'm with you. You tell me you guys got shot? Hey, man. You want to go there? But then, you know. Hey, me too. Listen, Russ,

you know what it is. When you're a pioneer, you got to take some of that on the chin. You know what I mean? Just boom. You know, you're a pioneer, bro. So you just, you know,

keep it moving. You know what it is. What's something that if you go back in time, you would make better for yourself? I probably would have tried to be a little bit more approachable. And I probably would have did less gun work in the music business. I would have kept it more music. Because I realized I wasn't dealing with the streets. I was dealing with people that were in the industry.

And I think I would have been way, I would have toned down my attitude, I would have been a little bit more approachable, letting people, you know, shaking hands and being more into that. Political. Yeah, not political, no. Well, I mean, shaking hands because it's big.

That's not political. I mean, shaking hands in the context of some of the people that I should have went to go sit down with and meet. I just like fucked them. And I would have changed that. I would have really wanted to... You think the Bumpy Knuckle image? Because it was like Freddie Fox was like first

the big guy. But he was cool. It was like an image when you turn into Bumpy Knuckles, that I felt like it was situations and consequences that came with that. You ever felt like that it hurt you in a certain way? I think the moniker behind, the attitude behind the moniker was definitely a problem for me. But I don't regret it.

I just took it. Listen, I still was able to keep it moving, but I definitely would have been more approachable and tried to be more approachable with Cats because Cats couldn't read me. You know what I mean? I remember doing a horrible joke on Steve Stout one time, and I think I

paid dearly with my career for it. Him and Herbie Lovebug was in a pizza spot in the hood. I want to get Steve's Pieces right now too Right after this I'm starving And I walked up

I walked up Behind him He was at the counter They was at the counter So me and one of my guys Walked in the back And I creeped up Behind him

And I said Give me a chain And it was an old bus driver Sitting there eating pizza I said you stay right there Don't you say nothing I said give me A motherfucking chain

He was like Fuck Kicked it back Like all this shit Took damn it. Kicked it back like awesome shit. Took his jewelry off, kicked it back. I said, no, I'm only kidding. And I laughed. Game is shit. I said, yo, I'm only joking, though. But to this day, man, that motherfucker like, who does this? You know how Steve is. He's like, who does this shit? Who plays with guns like this? Who does this? He was furious with me about that shit. Right.

And it just, every time I tried to do something in the game, man, that shit came up. Right. It always came up. Like, yo, this motherfucker's not, he can rap, but he ain't the normal dude. He's a troublemaker or he's dangerous or he's a bully or whatever the fuck they wanted to say. You know what I'm saying? That kind of shit, you know, when you're young, making silly

mistakes and shit like that, it is what it is. I don't have, like I said, I don't regret it because I was still able to focus on music, you know what I mean? But I think I hurt myself a lot of times by not being so approachable. What do you think about this Nipsey Hussle shit? Because in a lot of ways, not being so approachable. What do you think about this Nipsey Hussle shit? Because in a lot of ways,

we all got that rebellious attitude. We all got the hood, let's represent, let's try to go back to the hood and let's do this. And sometimes that one million percent works, and most of the time that one million percent works, but then there's the time, that 5% of the time that overlooks the 95% of the time where it doesn't and this is just a tragic situation i don't know if you ever met i never did i felt like i know him i think everyone i think if i met him i'd probably

be more sad even more sad right then i was to see that he passed away or that he was killed murdered that he was murdered like that um i i. I think that guys like him, you know, they come every once in a while. Very special. A special individual that comes every once in a while that is able to, every once in a while that he's able to impact the culture of hip-hop, you know what I mean, with what he does, whether it's good deeds or his music or whatever the case. I think it's sad

that, you know, that that happened to him in his own neighborhood. I don't think people should be afraid of their communities, though. I don't think people should not go back to their communities and do things like that. I don't think that people should say, no, don't go back to your community. Like, if you're going to do

good, you have to do good where good is needed. Right. You know, so whether you do it in your own community or a community that's similar to yours, it doesn't mean that that can't happen. Right. To me, something just as bad is when, you know, you go into a corporate America and it's pumping you to sell records to be somebody you're not. Right. And you still end up getting robbed and shot. Right.

It could happen anywhere. It could happen anywhere, bro. You know what I'm saying? And I just think it's unfortunate that we do these things to each other. So right now, the energy right now, like I'm always on Twitter saying let's keep that Nipsey Hussle energy. Right. You know what I'm saying? Where you can reach out to cats. Let's give Spready Fox his

flowers now. Yeah. Yo, my nigga Norrie, nigga say... Let's give Russell Peters his next Tiger Bowl shot now. He is all the sleep shit. He is high as hell. Get these frivolous. I hope at last that all the gangs are uniting.

We need that energy to keep going. Keep going. It's funny because there's people that hit me up and they just be hashtagging the marathon continues people that I didn't think

would hashtag that and it shows you how much what Nipsey did is communicating everything in hip hop right now like in the community

I think as long as that shit stays and sticks man as long as it sticks cause all it takes is one asshole to fuck it up for everybody. Which always happens.

But we all need to be prepared for that. One asshole. That's what happened. With Nipsey. That one asshole. So now you got to think about it as... Bum B, he just fucking... He had to shoot a dude.

He had to shoot a dude. He had to shoot a dude to protect himself. You heard about that, right? Yeah, I did. That's crazy. He had to do it. I'm not mad at him. I mean, that's, yeah. You know?

Listen, LL beat a motherfucker. He beat the damn move out of him. Oh yeah, I got him to talk about it. I got him to talk about it on Dream Chips. I got him to talk about it. And what's fucked up is that I just, I mean, I don't want to put my business out there and what I got in my crib, but I just moved my joint because I have a baby that's about to be one year old. She started to move around and I had my joint next to the bed.

And I'm like, I don't want it because she might grab it or something. So I just moved it to another room. But the bum beat joint made me feel like, no, I need it back. You can put it in a level. Like, I rented a crib in Malibu. You didn't go to that crib? I rented a pillowcase. You put it in Malibu?

It's a crib. You put it right there. And you can put you and your wife's fingerprint. And it'll be like this. Boom. And that shit just released. On a joint? On a joint.

Like, you can put it on the wall where the baby can't reach it. Like, this is some ill Republican motherfucker crib that I read All you do is put your thumb or your wife don't miss I think it takes table three fingerprints And now they go like this and the shit just releases. Yeah It was the child Like you physically grab the gun while it's on there and pull the trigger it Like you could You could physically Grab the gun While it's on there And pull the trigger

And it won't move Because it won't Do nothing unless The fingerprint matches first It's one million percent digital So it was I went to the house From him

The shit was hell Wow You asked me about The premiere album Yeah yeah please Called Collection Yes Yeah a bunch of joints

He did for me He didn't do Personally for. Yes. Yeah, a bunch of joints he did for me. He didn't do personally for me, but the Collection is a bunch of Premiere stuff that he's never done a beat for me. He's always giving me something somebody didn't like or he didn't want them on, he didn't like them on it or whatever. He gave me that.

Then, I got to say this too before I bounce. Knots, I did an album. Knots is an ill producer. I did an album with Knotts. What's the name of the album? Yeah, and yo, the support that I got from LL on Rock the Bells

radio, bro, this shit changed my life, man. That motherfucking shit changed my life so much. And he won the lawsuit against the dudes that were doing the Rock the Bells concert. Oh, nice. Yeah? Oh, I didn't know that, boy. He won the lawsuit against them dudes that were doing the Rock the Bells concert. Oh nice. Yeah? Oh I didn't know that boy.

Yeah, he won the lawsuit against them. Oh that's dope. Yeah, well that's dope. Well let me just tell you something man, Freddie Foxx, I'll tell you something. Wake the fuck up. Fuck the glamorous. It's okay man, it happens to the best of us. Yeah it happens to the best of us.

Because we went, we went, pause. Oh god. Pause. I need the cold water is what we went. Pause. Oh God. Pause. I need the cold water is what I need. This guy stole my shit. We don't got cold water. We went, we went. Romeo Santos stole my shit.

We didn't take the pictures. But let me just say something. I want to say it to your face, how much I respect you. No, that's not much. How much I admire you, how much I admire what you did for hip hop. And I just enjoy, just much I admire what you did for hip-hop. I just enjoy going through your history today.

I'm going to also give you even though you're sleeping. Come on, wake up. I'm going to give you. When I researched you, all I was researching was funny shit. As I was I came late. I came late.

I came late. There you go. I came late. Pause. That was definitely wrong. Can you roll another one? Is this it? No, he came late.

No, no. I came because I really wanted to be thoroughly. I didn't want to do a search of just some some some normal shit and me and you are cool real life someone's thoroughly do a great you know I'm saying like I saw I went searched everything and and you have a great life man and the fact that you you don't defer from hip-hop you actually accept hip-hop and you don't keep that shit with you that shit is honorable you know for me but I wouldn't have an identity with it without hip-hop though I don't know who the fuck I'd be right now I don't know how I would talk

I don't know how I would walk everything has been influenced from hip-hop since I was about 12 11 12 years old so it's always been there no but so many people who got out your level and be like fuck them motherfuckers yeah sometimes I'm thinking about it it's a not honorable thing I'm telling you sometimes I think about it I'm like I don't even know how to say it for my cousin but

you know what I'm just saying and the fact that you hold me down there's a lot of not honorable dudes out there and you out there in the private planes and bringing your crew and taking them to Vegas. And taking them to Vegas. How dare they, Mr. Santiago? Yeah, that was hard.

And they tried to complain. They was like, sometimes we don't know where the fuck we going to be at next day. And then. Well, that's an old video from six years ago. Yeah. Now it's like, listen, I got a four seater for the weekend. What's his name? That's the old video from six years ago champagne with me? No, I'm not drinking champagne with you. Of course you don't drink anything. Jesus. Come on.

Thank you, brothers. Thank you, brothers, because you know why? I could have did a three-hour episode with you alone. I could have did a three-hour episode with you alone,

but the fact that you brothers came together, I felt like that was the ultimate floss. I saved you two and a half hours. No, no, I feel like the ultimate floss,

and I feel like, you know, I feel like this was so much appreciated. I feel like with the audience and the platform that we got. Y'all haven't seen each other since when? No. We talked. We talked. We talked.

Yeah, we talked. And let's thank the professionalism because we just communicated on IG and made this happen. Yeah, I thought she was gonna communicate My people's hit you up first, but then we communicate and then we do we don't have a system of assistance of the system assistant Yes on the car I mean when I ask, I was like, yo, yo, you gonna send a car or nah? I'm like, nah. Oh, yeah. We don't send nobody shit. Like, we just give them rock. I sent you a beat, though.

We just got here from Chewbacca. But that's for the sake of hip-hop. It's just like, you know what? You know, kind of when me and E started this, we didn't know what we were doing. But what we did know, we knew that our heart was in the right place. We just love hip-hop, man. If this shit works, we knew that when you have 10 years in this game, it's a fucking absolute travesty when people say you washed up.

People say that you can't do it again or you ain't what you was before. The thing is, wine ages better in life. Champagne ages better in life. Brandy, cognac. Why the fuck we can't do that as people? Why the fuck we can't do that as people? Why the fuck

we can't do that as our community? If fuck the world doesn't believe that, why we can't believe that and enforce that?

Every other culture you get, you know, you're Beatles and people look at you as that status. Why the fuck we can't make that shit

in our own culture and hip hop? That's why I admire the fact that, you know, you got to the level that you at you still hire for cool work I don't know if you hired or not You know that's honorable shit You don't say that's honorable shit because you could have had like I I said, Russell Crowe coming out there and fucking, you know, headbutting a fucking kangaroo.

I don't know. You know what I'm saying? What he does. That guy. Did I say that out loud? I just felt that in my mind. I'm just saying. You know what I mean?

What I'm saying? You keep it hip-hop and that's what the fuck we honor. Like, me personally and EFN, I mean, they said it together, our whole crew, whole drink chat,

Jacob and me, if you got 10 years or more in this game, They said it together our whole crew whole drink chat Ten years of war in this game. We don't want to kick you out. We want a motherfucking cushion your chair You don't say I make sure that you know when you sit down. Yes shit. Yes. Yes shit It's just you got a cushion. You know sad this shit. You ain't sick You know, I know that sound crazy, but what I'm saying is We want to take care of our people Why shouldn't we You know what I'm saying Like why shouldn't we

You know The more that you're seasoned The more that you put into this game We don't got no pension In hip hop So why don't we fucking make our own pension By us praising each other By us telling each other

Yo my dude We got your back What you did I respect that thank you I'm holding you down and we're going to continue to do that

we're going to do that as a culture we're going to do that as a people but if we can do it easier as just being hip hop people

then I'm with that if we can't do it as black people we can't do it as Latinos and we're going to say hip hop hip hop is about to be our new new religion, our new fucking nationality.

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