Drink Champs - Episode 179 w/ Benzino

Episode Date: October 18, 2019

N.O.R.E. & DJ EFN are the Drink Champs. This week we welcome back Drink Champs alumni, Benzino! The champs chop it up with Benzino as he shares the origin story of The Source Magazine and how he met co-founder Dave Mays.Benzino shares stories about historic moments in The Source Magazines history, including their epic covers, iconic award show moments and more! Benzino also shares his reasoning behind The Source vs Eminem beef and his relationship with Murder Inc.Benzino also speaks about industry politics, pressure, temptations and how he’s overcome them. The Champs also chop it up with Benzino regarding his success with “Hip Hop Weekly Magazine”, “Love and Hip Hop” and much much more!Follow:Drink Champshttp://www.drinkchamps.comhttp://www.instagram.com/drinkchampshttp://www.twitter.com/drinkchampshttp://www.facebook.com/drinkchampsDJ EFNhttp://www.crazyhood.comhttp://www.instagram.com/whoscrazyhttp://www.twitter.com/djefnhttp://www.facebook.com/crazyhoodproductionsN.O.R.E.http://www.instagram.com/therealnoreagahttp://www.twitter.com/noreaga--- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/drinkchamps/support Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? It's DJ E-F-N. And this is Drink Champs, military, crazy, raw, happy hour. Make some noise! Right now, when you talk about legends, this man standing in front of us right now has been in the game relentless, repeatedly. When we talk about media, rappers being media, this guy had what they considered the hip-hop bible. He's been a part of legendary groups like RSO, Made Men.

He's produced records for people like Prodigy for people like Nas and I heard that he got his plaques and I didn't get mine so I'm offended. He has been out here monkey foot stomping. Then he transitioned on y'all and did a whole other career.

And started going on live and he sort of felt loved and I don't even know. But he's still here. He's one of my closest friends. I speak to him almost every other day. We disagree, we argue,

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Benzino. Make some noise! Hey, you forgot he's a Drink Champs alumni. He is a Drink Champs alumni. Now, we got to address, we got to address... Sorry, man. Sorry, Mr. Lee. My bad. Especially after that. That was a good intro, right? That was great, y'all. Let me give you some. I appreciate that, man. Sorry, Mr. Lee. My bad. Especially after that. That was a good intro, right?

That was great, y'all. Let me give you some. That was dope, y'all. I appreciate that, man. I love you for that, man. So, I guess this is a two-part question. Because, one, last time you was here, you was with someone else. But not only that, I've been hearing rumors that I feel like you want to address about the origin of the source, like the beginning, the genesis.

Okay. All right. So everybody knows that the source started in Boston. Dave Mays went to Harvard. I met Dave. I was in a group called the Almighty RSO doing my street thing you didn't go to Harvard though let's just be clear I lived around the corner from Harvard Street alright so that's

Harvard adjacent that's Harvard adjacent Harvard and Washington was four corners ok alright cool so I had a little something to do at Harvard but it wasn't the school

so so and then RSO's before the source? yeah and already managed by flavor unit um no that came after but i think the rso got established in 85 in this the so the rso is probably like 84 maybe 83 you know i'm saying yeah i mean yeah like we first as long as i knew you i didn't know that i thought the source came no no you just fucked me up just now yeah almighty rso and

then actually dave the first time we met day how we met dave was we was at a radio station that went that wendy williams graduated from emerson college like all the there's a lot of beans yeah in boston emerson college is where everybody went to college to be a radio dj or whatever broadcast yeah i think stephen hill went i think a few people went there. So they would do this thing where it was like, what do you call those things where people pick up the phone and they get money for you? Telemarketing. Telemarketing.

So people were there telemarketing, getting money, trying to raise it for the station. Right, raise funds for the station. And Dave came down. We was there. All of us was down there performing live. And Dave came down and interviewed us. That was the first time ever. It was no source. He interviewed and Dave came down and interviewed us. That was the first time ever.

It was no source. He interviewed you for what? He interviewed us. He wanted to come meet us because he had his own radio show at Harvard. And that's how the source started because he had a radio show.

They was playing you know, like violins and shit. Violin, you know what I'm saying? Pick up the Shine papers real quick, you know what I'm saying? Pick to Shine Papers real quick you know what I'm saying big up to my 2020 Smoke Chant family

this tastes good oh yes yes this tastes good I want it all 2020 not a lot of family you know what I'm saying so okay

you did this radio show how does alright so he has a radio show going you do this radio you have your RSO thing going yeah how does it come

because I believe the source was a pamphlet at first. It was a one sheet, like a letter. He started as a newsletter for the station. Basically what was going on, a list of the top songs that week, what was happening in news and everything. And it was him and his buddies. He had four buddies that were college buddies that were all college guys. You know what I'm saying? They came up with the name The Source. You know what I'm saying?

And when basically my DJ, who was Def Jeff at the time. Jeff Two Times. Jeff Two Times. God damn it. Started DJing for his radio show on Saturdays. And then when they made the newsletter you know Dave had to come to the hood because he's in Cambridge so you know I mean he got it you know you got to go through the hood with somebody you know so you know we

took him through the hood and he got a he got add his first ad from Skippy White's music store for $200 mm imagine that Skippy White Skippy White okay so now so this goes for the pamphlet this pamphlet obviously comes out correct yes

yes that's Sean so the pamphlet obviously comes out like when does it become a business when do y'all see what it could be I really wasn't

paying attention honestly I got it you know I was again the RSO and then my street shit

you know what I'm saying so I was hustling so I wasn't that you know I I was, again, the RSO and then my street shit, you know what I'm saying? So I was hustling. So I wasn't that, you know, I wasn't paying attention to the pamphlet, you know what I'm saying? I didn't, that was Dave's thing, you know what I'm saying? I was doing my thing and then, you know, I seen it and then I remember he made it into a book form. It was a small book, black and white.

The first time it was like a book form. It was like a paperback, very small. I think Slick Rick might have been the first cover of the booklet, but it was black and white. And then I remember, this is a funny story. So he would always go back home, Dave, to DC for the summer. So one summer I got locked up for the whole summer and shit. So Dave stayed at my apartment and that's where they were shipping. That was the office for the source. They were shipping out boxes and everything from my apartment that he stayed for the summer and shit.

Did a little 60 days or whatever and he stayed. I'm curious. What was 60 days for? I got dragged through a mall using a credit card by police. Wait, you used a police credit card? No, no. Wait, what?

How did you get the police credit card? No, no. I don't want to know. Wait, what? How did you get the police credit card? He wouldn't be here right now. What type of shit you are? So my man Trev just got home, and we was going to Martha's Vineyard. Okay. I went to Macy's, spent a whole bunch of money. I had an American Express sauce card. I had sauce on it.

It was a gold card. I'm going in there, braids half up. And so I charged up the stuff. I remember I bought my mother's song there. I think it was around February because it was around her birthday. So we ended up coming outside. And I remember we was, you know, the police came and said, hey, I want to see your license.

I said, no, wait a minute. What you want to see my license for? I've already bought it. The lady already gave me the receipt. We've already passed that. She said, I want to see your license. I said, I'm not giving you my license. And roughed me up, put the mace, you know what I'm saying?

So what happened was I had an old charge. And this was in Quincy. So they made me cop out to the old charge. And I had to do 60 days. Oh, my God. Yeah, some stupid shit. Basically, you just got arrested for the same type of shit, right? You flipped on a lady cop.

You flipped on a Chinese lady. What the hell? You went racial on her. You told her, what was my right? You flipped on a lady cop. You flipped on a Chinese lady. What the hell? You went racial on her. You told her, what about my rights? You know what I'm saying? You didn't say, what about my rights?

I thought you said, what about my rights? I said, what the fuck? I didn't even know that was a racial insult. First of all, first of all, it was the man who was,

you know, it was the man. It was the man that was the Chinese. Yeah, right. So, you know, I'm just chilling at the crib. Where I live is like, man, 75% white people. It's So, you know, I'm just chilling at the crib. Where I live is like, man, 75% white people. It's quiet,

Saturday afternoon, 11 o'clock. Ain't nobody out there. You know what I'm saying? No dogs, nothing out there. It's just, you know what I'm saying?

It's a beautiful day. Why is you running my plate? You know what I'm saying? What the fuck is you running my plate for? And then he said, I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

I got upset, said some things. You know what I'm saying? After a while You get tired of this shit Your whole life Getting pulled over Profiled

Harassed That shit is whack man You know what I'm saying I just got fed up man You know But I'm going to be honest This is a true story I went down to the station

So by then You know like When they take you down To the station They lock you up Before you do your fingerprints So I said I told him to come here

Before he left and shit And I apologized to him. Yeah. I did because, you know what I'm saying, at the end of the day... YTMZ ain't report that! You know what I'm saying? I wasn't raised like that. And, you know, I got kids. And at the end of the day, like, I really ain't racist. You know what I'm saying?

So I don't want to... I just was like... I just seen a cop and I was just trying to make him mad. You know what I'm saying? But everybody's a little bit prejudiced. No, I really am. Everybody's a little bit prejudiced. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. Everybody.

I'm prejudiced against prejudice. I'm prejudiced. Like, I've really never just seen somebody and was like, yeah, fuck him because he's white or fuck him because he's like. No, I'm talking about the stereotypes. Like, everybody. Oh, yeah. I mean, but that doesn't make you necessarily prejudiced. Yeah, it comes with it.

That's prejudice. That is prejudice. You can have every single bad prejudice. Listen, my grandpa, I had two of the most racist grandfathers. Both of them. I got my Spanish grandfather. He's racist. He don't only like Puerto Ricans.

He don't only like Puerto Ricans. And then I got my black grandfather. They both passed away. Only like black people. Nigga, as soon as we used to come in, he's like, uh-oh, them Spanish people is here. How's the jury? Like, yo, that's Matt Fowler.

This is my grandfather. Yeah, that's foul. That's foul. That's foul. And then my other grandfather, he said to me, this is crazy. But that's not stereotype. Well, I guess it is. That's the biggest type of stereotype.

Spanish people still. Spanish people still. How's the jury? Because the Spanish people are coming over that was like you know what I mean so what I'm saying is everybody's a little bit prejudiced like come on I'm sorry to say this

but you gonna tell me that if you see somebody right now in a car accident and one of the people is Asian you ain't gonna automatically think it's their fault. Come on, you can laugh at that nigga. Come on. Come on. They all know. A little bit because it's a rumor that the Asians, you know, weak men. What? You know what I mean? What are you doing? What? You know, like they got fucked up eyes. What? That's the rule.

No? I'm the only one that heard that they can't drive? I need a drink. I don't think that that's the reason why. You heard that? Oh, okay. All right. He's a real nigga. I don't think that's the reason why they say they can't drive.

Oh, I thought that. No, no, no. We got you to do something. We want the gorilla to be seated on the mouth. Jesus, man. Don't be drinking that sweet shit. Come on, man. We want the gorilla who's been seated on the mouth. Jesus, man. Don't be drinking that sweet shit. Come on, nigga. You're a brown drinker.

You remember we had a drink with you and you wound up in a wheelchair. Do you remember that? I was fucked up. God damn. I was fucked up. There was one day he was like,

I'm drinking with you today. I was like, what? But I'm not going to lie. I did not anticipate the wheelchair. But when it happened, it was before Instagram. Shit, I was drunk. Instagram was a lot.

When y'all fight each other? When you drunk and the wheelchair's there, what you gonna do? You're sitting in the fucking wheelchair and niggas gonna push you. Salud, my brother.

Salud, my brother. Definitely, man. Salud, he definitely. And I apologize to any Asian people who took that the wrong way. I'm just saying, that was rude.

Yeah, because let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I get more, you know, there was heavy in my DMs, like, yo, you dissed the fucking mob, we're going to kill you.

Did Charlamagne have a bad time with you? Charlamagne? No, no, yeah, Charlamagne got my DMs and was like, yo, bro, you know, you're a legend, bro,

and man, listen, you know, people look up. I wasn't, see, I don't, me, I'm going to be honest, like, it took me a while

to understand social media. So a lot of stuff with social media with me if i don't pay attention to it after the first three days it's gone right so that's you know stuff that i that probably is geared towards me i won't even look at it you know because i don't want to react a certain way this is what i mean everybody's prejudice i'm so sorry i'm jumping around yeah but like if you ever see like a person argue and then like a person's fat and then the first thing they say is

fat nigga I'm like damn nigga you thought you felt about me this whole time like you know what I'm saying yeah see I'm not touching the fat shit

like if a person got glasses and I'm not touching the Asian shit they cut you four eyes like everyone's a little prejudiced yeah but I'm not touching the fat shit

because trust me my DM's will be filled with a bunch of you know what I'm saying like I'm telling you people are sensitive because trust me my DMs will be filled with a bunch of, you know what I'm saying? I'm telling you, people are sensitive, man. Yeah, very sensitive. And you got to be careful in the media.

Especially now. Marlon Wayans, we have Marlon Wayans, he say he don't give a fuck about people's sensitivity. He say he don't give a fuck? Yeah, I mean he's a comedian, he really can. He don't give a fuck. If you're going to do his craft. Yeah, but that shit could fuck you up business wise. You know what I'm saying?

He's already, you know what I'm saying, but you can get blacklisted, you say the wrong shit. And Marlon Wayans, he won't be getting them big movies, he say the wrong shit. I bet you won't say no wrong shit about no Jews. I bet that. Yeah. Ray Kwan for us.

So, when did the sauce become a thing for you? Well, we got to go back to him being dragged out the mall. Oh, yeah. He got dragged out the mall. You said you asked him why he was locked up. He had the police credit card.

Yeah. No, it was my credit card. I'm just making up all the stories. No, no, no. No, I mean, look. I mean, listen. The sauce thing was formed by Dave Mays and his college guys. How I got set up with The Source was when Dave would have, because he had The Source,

he would be connected to different people on the labels. So he would invite the A&Rs when labels had A&Rs to come down and come see the group. We'd open up for Tretch. We'd open up for LL, Eric B. Everybody that came, we'd open up for, and we'd be doing our own shit anyways. So, yeah, I mean, shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, it wasn't until a story was put in about the RSO where, see, you got to understand, this is my theory. Maybe I'm prejudiced. Okay. I established that earlier. Full circle. Yeah, yeah. Full established that maybe i'm prejudiced with this okay all right and i know i might take a lot of flack for this okay but college people college people like at the beginning this is my own theory i smoke and i come up with theories and shit all right we all do that's all right. So college, when hip hop first came up, when you have a kid that's living in the hood and he goes to college, sometimes the kid turns his back on the hood 100% because he's living

that college life now. And he thinks automatically that it's not like a bad thing, but he thinks that's what he's supposed to do. Right. I'm supposed to go to college and get the fuck out of that life and get away from that life but here's what happens when hip hop comes there's a divide now when gangster music comes and street music comes now because you know college kids ain't with all that but in their in their privacy of their rooms and everything they'll listen to nwa and put the hat on and you know i'm saying you know i mean because

it gets them amped up because there's something about the streets and just that life that people are intrigued and they want to be. They're attracted to it. Right, okay. So then, well, the street guy is like, oh, man, you know what I'm saying? Fuck that. Y'all ain't street, so y'all can't live. Y'all don't know what it is to live like.

You know what I'm saying? So there's always been like a, you know what I'm saying? Have you ever went to like a college party? Basically what you're saying is at that time, college people didn't belong in hip hop at that time. I wouldn't say belong in hip hop. What I would say is this. Not running a magazine. What I would say, no, not even run the magazine.

But like when gangster rap came, you know what I'm saying? To me, you know what I'm saying? It would have been more, you know, the more street guys you have rating music and writing, you know, I mean, the problem is street guys aren't journalists back then. You know what I'm saying? The college kids are. So it's cool when you have, like, Q-tip and then, like, that movement. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's nonviolent.

And even Chuck D and them's movement with Pro Black. There was a lot of stuff that was just made hip-hop That was really for colleges. You know I'm saying like nonviolent non But but but the street music is what we not for colleges, but it was they was the ones that it was Yeah, because it wasn't for everybody right I was it was for everybody right but when gangsta rap came It was like the streets. I will ever against of gangster rap? You talking about Ice-T? I'm talking N.W.A. N.W.A.

Yeah, man. That's what we came up off. Some people credit Schoolie D. What's the dude from Philadelphia? Schoolie D came out with the songs. You wasn't thinking Schoolie D was a gangster when you heard P.S. You didn't think that. Now, he might have been a real nigga in his hood, but the conception wasn't.

The music wasn't gangster rap. You didn't see it. You didn't see it. You know what I'm saying? NWA, you actually felt that. Yo, Burma Tiger Bone right now. What the fuck is going on? Go ahead.

That shit's horrible. That's a problem. I'm not drinking that shit. We celebrate your career. We got to celebrate. Go ahead. Let's come up with a different drink. So awful.

NWA. So, yeah. different drapes. So awesome. NWA. So yeah, so now, Dave and his college guys, you know, Dave and his college guys are the ones up there doing the journalistic. They're the ones rating the albums and everything. Me and Dave's relationship

was, all the people up there would always look at it as, you know, Dave's hanging around these street guys. The rumor was that he was being distorted, and you was the guy who came and, like, stopped the distortion from happening. No, no, no. No? No, nobody was extorting nobody.

At that time, the source wasn't even making a lot of money. I mean, it was doing decent. But, like, these kids already had, they all came from money. Like, they came from good parents, good homes. Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? They went to H.ward young and james bernard and you know these guys were like you like like you know i'm saying they wasn't you know fucked up in the game so um they just to me automatically they just didn't like me at all i mean you could but but let's let's just get to the do it why did

dave actually come to you? I'm saying because... Was it financing? No, no, no. As time went on, again, our relationship grew. He's not our manager because we never signed nothing, but his acting, everything he's doing

is managerish. Right. He did a story on us. This tastes like Jesus pussy right here. Whoa. Right. So, he did a story on us. This tastes like Jesus' pussy right here. Whoa. Whoa. It's phenomenal, brother.

Hit that. He wasn't saying that with knowledge. I actually did. I actually did. I said, he's making a podcast about Jesus.

I said that with knowledge. You just said, you did this one right there. They're going to be like, you don't want to hit that for long? I'll take Jesus' pussy back, man. Come on now. Come on now. Oh, my God. That just said it. Flip for this one. If you get this one right, they're going to be like. You don't want to hit that one? Yeah. I'll take Jesus Pussy back, man.

Come on now. Come on now. Oh, my God. That's nice, right? It's nice. It's nice. It's nice. It's nice.

This is nice. It's nice. What are we talking about? You just fucked up. We got to go with Dave. So, yeah. They put an article about us in the magazine. Uh-huh.

This is when the magazine blew up? This is when the magazine. There was a New Yorker this time. They moved the office. They put an article about us in the magazine. This is when the magazine blew up? This is when the magazine, there was a New Yorker this time and they moved the office. They put the article. Now, they got a pretty big staff this time. When they did the article, the dude that he sent down to do the article was Bones Malone. Now, Bones Malone was in, remember Life? The movie Life? Yeah, of course.

Remember at the end, Heavy D and the dude was shoveling? Yeah. Bones Malone, Heavy D and the dude was shoveling? Yeah. Bones Malone. That was Bones Malone. Yeah, he was the dude that was digging it up. So Bones Malone in the culture was like a hip-hop guy, writer. Later on, became an actor. Yeah, he went to fuck with Vi magazine. Vi magazine after that.

Okay, so they sent Bones to do the article. Bones is riding with us in Boston. He's seeing how real it is. I actually got locked up with Bones. I got is riding with us in Boston. He's seeing how real it is. I actually got locked up with Bones. I got locked up. Not for credit cards. I got locked up.

I actually got locked up with Bones. When I got bailed out, Bones left. He was supposed to stay for three days. He didn't want to finish the story. The people I guess they all got together and was like, nobody do that story. The RSO story. Because they felt like we didn't deserve a story.

Okay. Who's the people? At The Source? The Source, all the staff, the whole staff. Other than Dave, the entire staff thought that we didn't deserve a story in there. Now mind you, at this point, we had been signed by Eazy-E. He had died. We had signed Tommy Boy Records. We got signed RCA. We had a few things out.

And plus, our man owned the fucking magazine. Why can't we just get a little feature? We didn't have a feature up until then. Never had a feature. You had never leaned for it. It was the red man cover with the tissue on his nose. So Dave ended up finishing the fucking article himself. I knew you wasn't going to pass back.

Oh, man. So I had another one ready. Go ahead. Don't worry. I know you're too long. This is all right. No, I want, man, for real, man. Congratulations, man.

This is dope. So they did the article. That's the first. The article came out. Next thing you know, the whole staff wrote a letter to dave and said step down i remember when that happened or else we're all walking out that's like everybody here writing a letter to you said leave drink chips right now leave yeah fuck your percentage

fuck your money just leave and go now right They said that they broke the integrity of the magazine by putting the story in us and, you know, and that, you know, I was this bad guy and all this shit. So they had put the letter out and sent it to everybody in the industry, radio stations, record labels, like it just, you know. So, man, it kind of fucked us up. That was like the first time we started getting like, you know, like a bad rep in the industry because we wasn't from New York. You know, New York, look out for New York back then.

You know what I'm saying? We right down the street. New York wasn't fucking with Boston like that. You know what I'm saying? So as far as hip hop goes. So is that. Yeah. Like, you know, Dave ended up firing all of them.

He bought out his other three partners and then came to me because I stuck with him. You know, I had to go up to New York and kind of, you know, stand by his side because, you know, it was getting a little crazy. You know what I'm saying? They was threatening him and shit. And it was all based and solely around because of that article? Period. Wow. Period.

And it wasn't like it was an article saying the music is this good or that good. It had nothing to do with the music. It's just an article about y'all. It just was like, Dave, these are Dave's friends. They should not be in the magazine. Right. They don't deserve it. They don't deserve a feature.

And at that time, you're not considered a partner, correct? No, not at all. Okay. So this article comes out, they do this, you come to New York to try to- At that time, I was getting more money than the source, you know what I'm saying? The streets. Right. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't, you know what I mean? Like they was doing their thing, but it just was just a, every time I would go more money than the source you know what I'm saying the streets that's all like you know what I'm saying it wasn't you know I mean like they was doing their thing but it just was

just a every time I would go like I throughout my whole life I never had an office in the source ever an office I would always just go up there Dave's couch would be in I'd just sit there smoke a blunt we would just talk about any meetings whatever but I never had an office I never felt comfortable at the source my whole time there with the staff. I always felt like it. And then sometimes I would want to smoke weed with them, bring them to the fire escape and try to be cool. As time went on, it ended up that, you know, hey, you know, do you think you could talk to Dave, man, about my pay?

Do you think you could talk to Dave? Do you think you could? It was always them coming to me because Dave was always kind of like the mean one. It kind of flipped. But back then, like, they all walked out. Dave fired them, came to me and said, yo, it's just me and you you know i'm saying i'll give you half the magazine half the percentage and i was like all right then still see no money it was not like he gave me some money did you just sign the actual contract or no no this was a handshake just a handshake good um

did we sign a contract i don't know that's a good question maybe maybe not i don't even remember i just remembered like, I do remember him saying, look, you want to get down? You know, you want, I was like, yeah, why not? You know what I'm saying? But I really didn't do anything for a while.

Like I didn't do shit. It wasn't nothing I was, you know what I'm saying? But as time went on, I learned more about the business and branding of it and then finding other ways to get money outside just the pages.

Like the Sauce Awards had a lot to do with me. And you also created Unsigned Hype, right? That was your idea? No, no, Unsigned Hype wasn't my idea. That was the Source. And Maddie, Maddie. Maddie C? C used to run Unsigned Hype.

Yeah. No, like, I didn't, you know, five mics wasn't my idea, none of that. But the things like the Source Hip Hop Hits, the Source Awards, Source All Access TV show with Lisa Rae and Tretch, you know what I'm saying, we had on syndication. And then my presence, I always felt like this. You got a drink, my brother.

Do y'all know anybody at XXL from the streets? When you think XXL, do you think of any nigga from the street? Vibe magazine? Definitely not. This is what people gotta understand.

Hip hop wasn't made in colleges. Hip hop wasn't made in the boardrooms. Hip hop was made in the ghettos and the streets. And people take that

for granted, but that's just what the fuck it is. You know what I'm saying? The people from the streets are the, you know, that's like, you know, you hold dear to that. True. I agree with you. You know what I'm saying? The people from the streets, that's like, you hold dear to that.

I agree with you. You know what I'm saying? But there is a room nowadays, there is a place for this college rap. You have a Kanye West as an example. It's evolved. You have a Pharrell as an example, or Lupe Fiasco.

Of course. Of course. You're saying this is the original, this is the origin of it? Yeah. Okay. Being part of the show, goddammit. Here we go.

Hey, make some noise. All right. All right. All right. I don't. So, what were we talking about? Let's go a little crazy. What were we talking about?

But you can argue the same thing that you're saying that has to do with where the music comes from and these guys running the magazine. It's the same for the industry as a whole, like the record labels. Right. That guys that were A&R-ing the music that weren't from the places.

And that's always been my problem. My problem is they don't respect people. The industry never respected the streets. You know what I'm saying? They never respected the streets. And that's why I think it's what I brought to the source. I think I brought a credibility. Because after a while, I started, like, yeah, Source is my magazine.

I started getting more involved with the covers and more involved with decision making. I hired Kim as the first female editor. Kim Osorio works on WE tv right now? Never happened before, yeah. She got hired as the first editor. Carlito Rodriguez, he was locked up. Hired him as the first editor. He's in L.A. right now. I've before, yeah. Okay. She got hired as the first editor. Carlito Rodriguez, he was locked up. Locked up, yeah.

Hired him as the first editor. He's in L.A. right now. I've seen him recently. Right out of jail. He's still writing. Riggs Morales. Riggs. Oh, listen,

a lot of these people from the soul side, these guys, they're all doing amazing things with networks and everything, right? But a lot of them was... Worked for you. I mean...

Goddamn, make some noise for that. Goddamn it. Datari over at WeTV. Dottari's at WeTV too? Dottari, the executive producer over at Grown Up Hip Hop. I thought you was going to be a part of Grown Up Hip Hop. What happened? Oh, man, Grown Up Hip Hop, man.

What happened? It was a lot of... That's a whole other story? Whole other story. What happened? I mean, you know, it was just, you know what I'm saying? They wanted me and my daughter. They wanted Koi. Oh, God just, you know what I'm saying? They wanted me and my daughter. They wanted court. Oh.

You know what I'm saying? They wanted court. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. She's doing her thing, but you know, you know what I'm saying? Family things, you know what I'm saying? So, we didn't decide to do it, you know what I'm saying? Alright, yeah, you don't have to talk about that. We can move on.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, definitely. But all right, so let's get back to the sauce. So now he comes to you and he says 50-50. 50-50. And so now... But it wasn't no money.

I didn't get no money, nothing. Okay, but... What time frame are we talking about so we can kind of understand what you're... And I'll be honest with you. I still wasn't like,

I'm getting ready to get big money. Even when he made me a partner, I still wasn't like, I'm getting ready to get millions of dollars. I didn't think of none of that. You know what I'm saying? to get big money. Even when he made me a partner, I still wasn't like, I'm getting ready to get millions of dollars. I didn't think of none of that. You know what I'm saying?

When the money came, it just was like a blur. Because it was just like, what the fuck, man? After they got fired and we cleaned house, that's when everything just started going crazy. I mean, it was just too much money. And I didn't, you know what I'm saying? Because you just said you didn't think about money and then it just came.

Yeah, because when he made me a partner, I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. I tried to be excited. You wasn't making money prior to that, right? Legally. I was getting my street on. Okay, all right, let's not talk about it. So, how long after when you became a partner

did the money actually come in? Let's see. Years. Years? Yeah, years. Like, 99. Like, I wasn't. But you started in 94?

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Salud, nigga. Salud, nigga. Salud, nigga. Salud. Hey, hey. Throw some more, goddamn it. Yeah, it's all a little, hey, hey, hey. Throw some more, got to have it. Yeah, it was a good time because, I mean, we was getting $25,000 an ad. Woo!

And we had 80 ads every month. Woo! Great. It was like, I just, look, I remember, I was like, we would go to L.A. and we would just, like like spend hundreds of thousands of hotel rooms and just stay there for months like at the beverly hills and just sit i wouldn't want to leave they'd be like yo we're gonna i'm not gonna stay here for a few more weeks and shit you know i'm saying i just didn't have any like you know i'm saying i just thought that the money

and see i never questioned dave with the books or anything you know i just know that I had a couple of cards and I was tearing the film off the motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying? That's why I love you, because all your niggas, and it's the same faces. I was bringing my niggas all over the world eating lobsters and steak. You know what I'm saying?

I stayed at the Beverly Hills. I'd be in the bungalow, but they'd still be in the main spot, which is still beautiful. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, but they'd still be in the main spot, which is still beautiful. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, Norrie, you know what I mean? So, you know, but I didn't save anything. You know what I'm saying? All right.

I didn't save nothing. You know what I'm saying? What are you supposed to do, nigga? You're supposed to live your life, throw your dick on the back table every night. Woo! You're supposed to, man. You got to live a life, man. You got to live a life, man. Yeah, but, yeah, but, yeah, but, Yeah, but if I didn't know to invest some shit,

then I would invest it. Well, you got the trap. I'm crab-trapped right now. When is that open? That's open already or no? Got about a couple more weeks now. We put a new hood in. What mall is it in?

South DeKalb Mall, the Gallery Mall. South DeKalb, what? South DeKalb. DeKalb, all right. South DeKalb. DeKalb. South. South. DeKalb. DeKalb. South DeKalb. DeKalb. South.

South. DeKalb. DeKalb. More. Actually, you try to put it on. South DeKalb. I tried to. South DeKalb. By the way.

By the way. By the way. That's one thing I know about you. You really, really know how to cook. I appreciate that. You really know how to cook. I appreciate that. You really know how to cook. The best shrimp and grits I ever had, you just came over to the crib.

Oh, that's good. That's because you ate everywhere. And you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. There was one day we were just at the crib, and we were just bored. He was like, you went through my shit, and he was just like,

oh, I'm going to cook this right now. And I was like, all right, nigga. And you just... Shrimp and grits. You wasn't even prepared. Like, that's how, and it was just. He gave me some shrimps, right, with that, but it was tofu. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yo, look, this is the funny shit, right? This is tofu, but they cut it like it's a shrimp. And they put two little black eyes on it. Like, what the fuck is this? Yo, this is a shrimp? But they put Obey on it. So it's like, it tastes like shrimp. You know what I'm saying? Season it know, this is a shrimp. But they put Obey on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like,

it tastes like shrimp. You know what I'm saying? Season it like it's a real shrimp. Like, no, it tastes like slime with fucking Obey on it. And he's also the only... With two black eyes.

Let me tell you something. He's also the only other... He's the only person in the history of life to bring pork in my house. And the only thing he bring pork in my house, he brought pork shoulder.

I didn't even think a pig got his shoulder my dude This thing I thought I was doing something right Puerto Ricanans love pork shoulder. That's true. That's true. It's the truth. Snigger made me take the pork shoulder

and put it in the living room, yo. My pork shoulder was sitting by the TV in the fucking living room. He was mad as shit. Oh, so hot. The fuck, man. So, 50% he gives you. And what part was you started taking it serious? Where you was like, you know what?

This can be my ticket to get out the streets. Man, I don't know. I swear. There was just a time where I was just doing so much drugs and spending so much money and running around with females and just doing all kinds of shit. It's like, I really didn't like, it was, it was a time where definitely I didn't, I, I didn't look at, I didn't look at things for probably what, what, what the way I should have been looking at them. You know what I'm saying? I just, the money was coming and I was just spending it. I wasn't writing articles in the magazine. You know what I'm saying? I think there was a period of time, maybe like in 01, where with the Source Awards and everything, doing a few of them.

You see, because with me, I always felt like nobody liked me. I felt like nobody gave me credit anyways. Anytime I felt like I did do something, I never got credit for it from the people at the staff. I never got credit from like, you know, I already got a bad rep, you know what I'm saying, with everybody in the industry. You know what I'm saying? So it's almost like I had to wear that shit where it's like, oh, woes, man, they don't like me. Anyway, so it was like a point where I was like, fuck it. I'm not going to get the credit for it anyway, so fuck them, fuck everybody, who cares?

And I remember, I'll never forget it, when we lost The Source, right? We were in New York, because New York's rough. Like, New York's rough on athletes, anybody. Like, you could have just won three World Series and you sucked the last two years? Get out. We don't even give a fuck about it. I felt

like that with The Source. When we lost that, it was like, I felt like the whole New York and the whole industry was just like, yeah, nigga, you lost it. See you later. Get the fuck out of here. And it was like, you know, it was, it was, it was.

Like, was y'all dickheads when y'all was up? Nah, not me. Okay. I was never. I mean, Dave, Dave used to rub, you know, a few, because Dave was like, you know what I'm saying?

Like a real harsh type of guy. Like, you know, business and, you know, like the heart. Dave was like you know what I'm saying like a real harsh type of guy like you know business and you know like the heart but me you know what I'm saying nah hell no I'm the same nigga

like and niggas know this man you know what I'm saying like you wouldn't even know whether I had money or not because I'm just gonna be the same nigga like if you're all around

and we together we gonna smoke eat if I'm shopping y'all everybody gets something like I don't you know what I'm saying?

I never really, because I was always getting money in the streets anyway. So it's not like, and even when I lost the source, I felt like, shit, I go back to the streets. I felt bad for Dave. But wait, wait, before you lost it, you guys lost the source. Is there any truth to everybody saying that you were giving yourselves the mics and you was giving yourself positive reviews? No, no, no, no. The only time I gave myself the mics was the Eminem situation. And I felt like at that point, because it was me against the staff, me against everybody.

I felt like at that point, I was like, fuck everybody. I was in a dark place where I felt like I'm standing up for something that's right. I know deep down what I'm standing for. It's just not rapping. But I just felt like nobody backed me. I felt like the industry, and I had to learn this the hard way, you can't look at the industry to be

righteous. Or loyal. Righteous. You can't look at them to be revolution and it's about making money. At that point, maybe because I was already making money, I just took it for granted because I didn't have to answer to nobody. Like, I was at the top of the food chain at the source.

In retrospect, would you have had a chance to do it all over? Would you do the Eminem thing the same way? It's hard to say that. It's hard to go back and say what you do anything is over because it's like, you know what I'm saying like that you know at that time I was I felt deep about my my what I was you know what I was standing for you know what I'm saying I my thing was hip-hop and I always said this and people have heard it before hip-hop is the only thing that made white people come to the culture buy into the culture spend money and also interact with the culture through hip-hop nothing else has happened nothing's nothing else that brought white people to black people buy into the culture, spend money, and also interact with the culture through hip hop.

Nothing else has happened. There's nothing else that brought white people to black people than that. So I felt like once they get a white rapper and make him white where that white people want to buy him, then they fuck with that balance. Because now white people will just fuck with him because of his skin color. color before they had to come fuck with us because that's the music like I didn't feel that way about the Beastie Boys I didn't feel that way about third base outfit with Eminem I just felt like okay hip-hop is big now it's a pop now now we need a and white people are buying into it excuse me now we need a white person to represent the white people.

And that's just what happened. What I said happened, happened. Period. Like, anybody that even tries to fool themselves, like, he came in, and there's a whole demographic of white people who just ain't fucking with niggas. Period. I don't give a fuck.

They just ain't fucking. Those are the guys who will vote for Donald Trump. Right. You know, no matter what. Fuck policies. You don't fuck with niggas, then we fucking with you. All right? And it's just a color thing.

It's a tribe thing. That's just what it is. And since they outnumber black people, since white people outnumber black people, they're going to win. You know what I'm saying? So I just felt like Eminem, and Eminem didn't even have to be the one. I was going to say, because it's not necessarily his fault. From what you're saying.

Right, right. But when you look at the Eminem situation, hip hop is more than just rap. It's a culture. Right. It's our fucking life. It just isn't rap. Right. This isn't rap.

You know what I'm saying? It's our life. So to him, I'm sure it's rap. You know what I'm saying it's our life so you know to him I'm sure it's rap you know what I'm saying but unless you grew up in the culture you could never know so you don't feel Eminem is of the culture himself he raps

of the culture of no no Eminem's not in the culture that I'm from that's not a bad thing I'm not mad at that a lot of people ain't but he's not we's not in the culture that I'm from. That's not a bad thing. I'm not mad at that. A lot of people ain't. But he's not. We're not from the same cultures.

He grew up one way. I grew up a whole different way. That's what you come, you know what I'm saying? That's what I mean, culture. You know what I'm saying? Like, he grew up where there was not too many black people and growing up around black people and how we live. Like Norris said, it's funny how we talk about this and you kind of started the conversations about prejudice but the reason why it's precious because we all have our own shit the way we grew up each race of people

as long as we respect it it's good you know i'm saying like you don't think like somebody trying a black dude in nascar he's gonna have a hard fucking time of course look if you see a Spanish dude and a white dude right now someone stabbed you immediately say the Spanish dude did But I see a Spanish doing the white dude. I'm like, oh yeah got him Look if there was a k47 Five scopes and shit. We know so but but So at one point at one point It had to be you know, he was running the operation at one point Yeah, running it like everything had to go through me. Like, pretty much... And what years was that, if you remember?

From... I would say 2000 to 2004-ish. Is that when you had Club Zeno out here? Club Zeno. I got maced in Club Zeno. Club Zeno. They maced me in Club Zeno. No, it was not fun, bro.

It was not fun. I'll tell you the funny shit. Listen, this is the funny shit. That's when Ja Rule was here. That't know it was not fun, bro. It was not fun. They thought you were the same. I'll tell you the funny shit. Listen, this is the funny shit. That's when Ja Rule was here. That's when Ja Rule, listen, listen. So me, it was you and Ja Rule. Y'all both hit me like, yo, come to the club. So I come to the club, my nigga.

I walk in and this is, I think it was Ja Rule party, but it was your club. They both my friends at the time, but I didn't want to ask for no free bottles. So I went and I bought like five bottles, dude soon as my bottles come the illest fight breaks out with John I'm like I'm not leaving I just bought this shit y'all niggas I don't give a fuck the whole club left I stood there and drank all bottle of my shit my nigga I remember that shit I remember that shit I remember that shit I just paid for this shit. The club was popping. And then the dude came and just maced everybody. I was like, oh, shit. I got to deal with it. I got to deal with it. Finish my shit.

This is what Pops was managing? No, I'm not sure. I just bought the club because I was tired of getting frisked and going through problems getting mentioned everywhere. So I said, you know what? We're going to get this. I lost a lot of money in that club. I didn't make no money in that club, but we had fun.

So let's stay on the source now. So everything was running through you. When you say everything was running through you, this is the covers. This is the mics. I would start at this point. Yeah, I was like checking covers. I came up with the Hip Hop Behind Bars cover. That was one of my most influential and biggest covers ever.

The Hip Hop Behind Bars. Who was Behind Bars? Okay. At that time, I think it was... I'm not sure. I remember Chi Ali. I remember C Murder. I'm not sure. It was a bunch.

It was a bunch of people. No one's ever done that. Then I would do the double covers then i like i was coming with themed covers like i was really you know we were smoking you were being the creative very creative very creative we sit there smoke talk dave and dave is a monster with just writing everything down the notes i mean he's a monster with everything you go in his house there's notes everywhere like you know what I'm saying what's the dumbest thing you ever spent money on um that stupid ass chain which one

I mean buying all that jewelry and then only getting like a quarter of what you spend is the dumbest thing you could ever do like that's just real shit

that's the biggest depreciation you could you know what I'm saying you get more out of guns huh some people invest in guns you get more out of out of firearms jesus i don't know where we're going i'm telling you there's people that invest in guns they hold their value more guns yeah i know people that just buy guns

i don't know where we're going here man because when laws change the price goes up of the guns yeah you got to drink some you're just pouring some more in but you ain't drinking none of that Because when laws change, the price goes up. Of the guns. Yeah. You got to drink something. You're just pouring some more in, but you ain't drinking none of that. Come on, brother. Come on, brother. I don't know if you know, this is a platform where we celebrate our artists. There's so many people.

There's so many places that you go. After so many years, they say after you have 10 years in this game, you're over. You actually had, you're going on like, damn near 30 years in this game. 30 years in this game? Over 30. 30, over 30 years. I would say, honestly, I would say when I was in my grandfather's basement and we were spinning, to be real,

that was 76, 77. I feel like your grandfather was racist too. No, my grandmother was. Your grandmother was? My grandmother was Puerto Rican. Okay, yeah, look. Only liked the Puerto Ricans, right? Yeah, I had a darker skinned sister. Maybe Cape Verdeans,

you got a little light skin too. Yeah, Cape Verdeans, we used to get over. You like the Puerto Ricans or Africans? Look, you see how I represent, right? Oh, okay, okay. Okay, yeah.

Hold on, you just said we're like the Puerto Ricans of Africans. Was that hard? What the fuck? Yeah, that's hard. That's hard, go on. We're the Puerto Ricans of Africans. That's hard. We really fuck? Yeah, that's hard. That's hard. With the Puerto Ricans of Africa.

That's hard. That's hard. I don't want to do it, man. That was hard. Well, we got to do one for Zeno. Listen. I'm not drinking time. One, one.

This is for the three stripes. This is for the three stripes. I never seen you in a pair at Nike in my life. Trust me, we won't do this shit either. Let me tell you something. You a real Boston dude.

I've never seen you in a pair anything other than... Give her a shot, too. It feels like she's pair anything other than... Give her a shot, too. She's... It feels like she's a part of it. Give her a shot, goddammit. Adidas. Adidas.

Yeah, Adidas. I ain't gonna lie. You got the Prince ones on today. I respect those. But I've never seen you in likes. Come on. Ever. Ever.

I need one. I need one. Yeah, yeah. Give her one. Give her one. I need one. Give her one. Okay.

All right. Miss Lee, you gonna take one with us? Come on, man. Take one, I need one. Yeah, yeah, give one, give one. I need one. Give him one, okay. All right. Miss Salia, you gonna take one with us? Come on, man, take one with us, leave. I gotta drink this nasty shit. Miss Salia starts speaking English perfectly after you take the shot. Hey, this is the spoiled tiger bone. Yeah.

We celebrate your career. Okay, you rearing up too? Okay, this is going, this is different. Where is this going? All right, where you from? Obelaga? You know what? I'm from New York, actually. Oh, where?

Where at? Salud. Trinidadia. Trinidadia. Trinidadia. All right. What's it called? Trinidadia. Trinidadia.

Salud. Cheers, brother. Trinidadia, huh? Salud. Mmm. It's good. Take a shot, yo. Oh.

Ah. Oh. It's good, baby. That's that Macahaya bing bong. Love it. Hip hop Miami, god damn it. Let's go. Oh, that shit hit me late. It hit me late. It hit me late. Yo, why... Where'd you come up with the Tiger Bone shit?

I don't know. We've been drinking that shit forever, too. You've been like... You're the only nigga on earth that drinks Tiger Bone. Did you say Styles P put you onto it? No, no. Styles P did it? They didn't put me onto it.

We was all drinking at the same time. Styles P, Jadakiss. That shit's residual. Kiss too? Yeah, Jadakiss. Tiger Bone? Yeah. That's why you went to the spot and have the Tiger Bone and make a little sauce.

You know, back in the days, it used to come with a tiger's bone in it. It used to be an actual bone. I see some green Tiger Bone. It's called NyQuil. You it. It's to be an actual bone. I see some green tiger bone. It's called NyQuil. You know what's good for your yang. You know, it's like a natural Viagra. That's what makes no sense why we drinking it. You're not going to walk around knocking shit down.

But if you show up to the game, you ready? You ready. You ready. That's a joint. You ready. You ready. I ain't got nothing to say. Ain't no more playing, G.A. you ready. I ain't got nothing to say. Ain't no more playing, G.A.

We ready. That shit tastes like ass kicks. All right, fuck y'all. All right. What the fuck? So you start getting serious. Oprah, Oprah, Oprah. I got you.

Oprah every month. Oh, thank you. You know who's on the cover of Oprah's magazine every month Oprah Oprah so why you didn't if you knew

if you knew that these guys were making a mutiny against you these guys were saying that why you didn't just go all out and put yourself on the cover because

I did you did I did I did that cover where it was Suge Kiss Nas and me

and it made the American flag it was a four it was part cover but again I did that cover where it was Suge, Kiss, Nas, and me. And it made the American flag. It was a four. It was part cover. But again, I did that because it's like. You didn't want to go by yourself. No, no. Exactly. I had to put myself in the cover of my shit, butt naked, with a motherfucking rainbow bow

around my shit. I had to make excuses up. Like, I always, again, I always felt like my music never got as just due. I always felt like because it's like, oh, you know what I'm saying? The source is the gift and the curse for me, you know what I'm saying? Because really, I always wanted to do music. I wasn't a magazine nigga. I always knew that about you. Ever since I met you, I know that music is your passion. My passion is that's what I love. It's your passion.

That's what I love. That's what I started doing. But it always was some controversy. So if you had a chance to trade it all in? That's what I would do over. What? I'd be like, I'd stay the fuck away. I wouldn't have been nowhere near the source. And the staff and the college kids and all that shit. And I would just stay the streets of my music.

Because to be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? That's where I'm more comfortable anyways. Now, the great thing is I did learn business I didn't learn how to be business oriented you know I got to sit in some and you guys impacted the culture heavily yeah that was dope you know but look at me shit like that I don't even I'm telling you I swear to god like you're a legend you're that shit listen I'm I'm happy that I could still you know I'm saying still be kind of relevant still make music still you know be you know a part of hip-hop you know because I don't want to leave it right you know I'm happy that I can still be kind of relevant, still make music, still be a part of hip-hop. Because I don't want to leave it.

You know what I'm saying? I still want to be a part of hip-hop. So when I go places, whether it's through Love & Hip-Hop, shit. I mean, people know me from the source. Auntie, that's about 40, 50. And all the way down to 11, 12-year-old, like her daughter. And everybody in between knows Z now from loving hip-hop.

You like the gangster Al B. Shaw? No. I don't want to be that. I mean, say something else. I want to be that. I'll be sure. I'll be sure down there. Nah, you got to be a better...

Come on, Z, you got to realize you light-skinned, nigga. You... I don't want to be that. You've been trying to act dark-skinned for years. No, if I don't want to be the gangster, I'll be sure. Listen, nigga, you got green eyes, nigga. You got toinned, nigga. You. I don't want to be that. You've been trying to act dark-skinned for years. I've been trying to tell you, like. No, but I don't want to be the gangster. I'll be sure. Listen, nigga.

You got green eyes, nigga. This nigga's something else. You got to relax, nigga. Listen, listen, listen. Look at this. We be like the gangster, like. That's why you put the teardrops. Because you got to start looking.

It's like. So, I tell niggas it's different. I don't. Listen, listen. I never even considered myself light-skinned. I didn't see all that shit. I know, nigga. I never seen light-skinned. I know that you light- shit. I know, nigga. I never seen light-skinned.

I know that you light-skinned. I never seen that shit. You light-skinned, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, every time I went to school, it was black, white, other. Because I ain't gonna lie. As a friend, for years, I've been seeing, like, you been acting Bobby Brown brown. And I just always wanted to tell you, nigga.

I never was light-skinned. Ever. That's why when niggas say that, I be like, man, I don't like Skid. Ever. That's why when niggas say that, I be like, man, I don't act like that. I be seeing niggas that act like that. I be like, I don't act like that. Oh, my God. So, all right. All right.

Sac a fait, sonny. Bout that Lajon. So, oh, shit. Oh, shit. So, Nas. Manzino Pajue. Nas get five mics. Was he the first one to get five mics

or was Outkast the first? The first five mics had to be before that. I believe Outkast was the first to get five mics. That's a good question. Yeah. That's a good question. Nori thought that, you know,

he thought that I was the one giving mics. He never liked me. I would see Nori. I didn't like Zeno. I would see Nori. He never really was friendly with me. We'd see Nori. I didn't like Zeno. I would see Nori. He never really was friendly with me. You know what I'm saying? We'd see each other at a show.

There'd be a little short head bob or something. You know what I'm saying? You feel cheated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I ain't going to lie. So when he told me, he was like, I thought you was the one giving the mics. I was like, no, nigga.

No, no, no. I didn't give no fucking mics. It wasn't the mics. It was the bad articles. I used to always think that. Because that's what people told me. Those years that you named, where you felt like it was in all be all, see, people really didn't know that.

People thought that once you was involved with the source, everything was you, you know what I'm saying? That's crazy. So every time I ever got a bad review, I absolutely was, I would read it and people would be like, that nigga's Xeno. I was like, damn, nigga, what he got against me? That's fucked up. You know what the crazy shit? I never actually went down and actually looked to see that there was somebody out there who put their name to the actual article.

I never peeped that until I got older. And I was like, damn, that might not have been him at all. I had my own, I had, like, I love hip hop. And, of course, I had people, you know, like I had, like, I love hip hop and of course I had people, you know, like I was a fan of certain artists, a fan of a lot, but I just never was the one

to be reading about motherfuckers. And you started the beef between Trial Court Quest and Tupac. I started the beef? Who the fuck told you that? Tupac? Where'd you get that from?

So you just said the of wars was all you. Oh, that beat all that. That's crazy because the people would, if he thought like that, how many others thought like that? No, I definitely thought that. I definitely. Praz said he thought that. I'm guilty. Who? Praz.

Praz? He said, yo, I didn't like you because, man, I thought you was, I was like, no, nigga. Because what happened? Because they thought they should have got, man, I thought you was, I was like, no, nigga. Because what happened? Because they thought they should have got a five. I thought they should have got a five. Who, the Fuji lot? Ooh, la, la, la.

Yeah, it was four and a half. I ain't going to front. They should have got a five. I ain't going to front. I should have got a four and a half. I got a four. For NRE? No, NRE and Capone and Noriega.

I take it personal with them a lot. You got a four? You got a four? You got two fours. Yeah, two fours. But I know who took the shot because niggas paid you take it personal when I'm a locker. You got a four? You got a four? You got two fours. Yeah, two fours. But I know Silk the Shocker and the niggas paid you off and shit.

I'll be honest. Yo, you got it. Listen, I'll be honest though. That was a source of war. Nobody was buying more ads than motherfucking Nelson P. Yeah, I can't respect him.

Nobody. He kind of segregated. So. Yeah, so we can't give Silk the Shock at them low ratings. All right. They buy and sit like $100,000 ads.

12 ads. Look at it. If we did like 12 ads so it's like okay 25 I will give you 12 for 20. A piece. Like come on. P was like

P was you seen him? It would be a partner source where it would just be all their ads. Like you know what I'm saying? Like, who the fuck does that? All right.

Shout out to Master P, man. Shout out to P. He sat in that same chair. You see that right now. He sat in that same chair. He could... So we got a shout out to Tidal. Yeah.

Check us at Tidal.com forward slash Dream Champ. Shout out to Master P, Revolt. Yes. God damn it. Check us out. God damn it. Is mine going to be on TV?

Because I never get on TV. Well, we don't know. What happened was... Yeah, because I noticed that mine's never get on TV. Is this one going to be on TV or I'm going to be back in the room again? No, you're not going to be back. No one's back in the room here, brother. What are you talking about?

Everyone gets the same treatment, brother. I'm like, damn, I did one of the first ones. It was pretty dope. Then he gets the Revolt joint, right? And I'm looking at all the Revolt ones. I'm like, damn, I did one of the first ones. It was pretty dope. And then he gets the Revolt joint, right? And I'm looking at all the Revolt ones. And I'm like, and then I'm seeing all the ads and everything. I'm like, ain't this a bitch? Well, we stepped it up.

I said, ain't this a fucking bitch? Oh, we don't get paid. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm here, and I'm like, well, is this one getting a Revolt? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what's the excuse now? We don't get paid off the ads. We definitely don't. But is this one getting our revote? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what's the excuse now? We don't get paid off the ads.

We definitely don't. But is this one getting our revote? No. This one is going to be on Tidal, yes. We have a different... Where do you watch Tidal at? On Tidal. On the internet.

Tidal.com. Yeah. I haven't done that yet. Yeah, you got Apple. I'm still on TV. No, no, this will be on YouTube, on remote YouTube. I know it's on YouTube. But you want to be on there.

But what about TV? Yeah, this is not going to be on TV. It's not going to be on Love & Hip Hop level. This is not Love & Hip Hop level. No, this is not. You think Diddy don't want me on Revolt? No, no, no, it has nothing to do with that. No, it has nothing to do with that.

Hey! If I never was on Revolt, I'd fuck with Serac. You're going to come. You're going to do with that. I never was on the boat. I fuck with Serac. You get a cup. You can go see Serac. You all here drinking D'Ussé. That means home, Kosanji, brother. Shout out to home.

Come on, my damn it. Shout out to home. Shout out to home. So, at one point, hype line up the game. Everybody, you got to go do Benzino. Zeno also has a love life. He's knocking a lot of these girls down. Hell yeah.

Don't play me. It's crazy. Man. It's crazy. Man. I mean, you know, those are some good years. I ain't going to lie. Those are some great years. Phenomenal.

Phenomenal. I mean, those are some good years, you know. But, you know, I don't kiss and tell. Yeah, because you know why? Because there's somebody on the other end of that that you got to respect. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because they might not want beyond blast like that.

I mean, me, I'd love to sit here and tell you intricate details and all that shit. You know what I'm saying? But you got to respect people on the other end, on the other side who ain't here to speak up for them. So I don't kiss and tell. But you know, those are phenomenal years. We can say that. But did you give away mics for some pussy?

Ever? You gave away mics. I mean, you don't got to answer that. You ain't got a lie detector test. Son, you got the lie detector test? You look like you're sitting there

ready to do the lie detector test. It ain't nothing, it ain't nothing wrong with that, if that's what it was back then. Listen, right? You was a real nigga. Let me ask you a question, right? So if you are on a magazine and there's female artists out there, and if you, you know what I'm saying, have a situation where you and the female artist is talking, and y'all have a relationship and everything,

and then she has an album coming out, what would you do? Ten mics. This is silent little Harvey Weinstein. Where are you going with this? No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is. What are you saying? What would I do?

I would listen to her album. What are you saying? What would I do? I would listen to her album. What would you do, E? Pass it off to the journalist. To y'all to marry. Y'all to marry. So y'all got to say some shit like that. But you got to live for us. What would y'all do?

What do you have them say? We vicariously live in for you. Yeah. Send mics? Sonny made a whole new mic system. I know you a trick. I see you trick. I see him have no money.

Then bitches come around and think a ball. No, my God. What just happened? Ten mics. You couldn't even buy your homie a snicker just now. Toast to ten mics, yo. Toast to ten mics. You know what I'm saying?

Toast to ten mics. Toast to ten mics, yo. Yeah, I mean, you got to use your influence sometimes. That's just how stuff happens. It's never a Harvey Weinstein situation because, you know what I'm saying, 100% of the time, you know what I'm saying, they're interested too. Yeah, you carry yourself a certain way, you know what I'm saying. The intrigue is in their mind and their hearts also.

So you ain't never had to build Cosby Night? Jesus. Come on, man. No, man, I would never do no shit like that. I don't, nah, you know what I'm saying? My thing is, if I can't, if she don't want me, I don't, you know, you know what I mean? If she don't want me, then that takes out, you know, a lot.

Right. Like, you want, like, part of you wanting her is her wanting you. That was hard. It was hard. That's the name of your book. Well, what does her want you? What? What? Right. Uh-huh. That's the name of your book. Well, what does her want you to do? What?

Right. Uh-huh. She look good saying it. She look good saying it. That was hard. That was hard. That was hard. That was a ball.

That was a ball. That was a ball. So, but you had a lot of fun. Did you have a lot of fun? I had a lot of fun. You had a lot of fun when you had your albums out? In 1998, yes, I had a lot of fun. I was a whore.

What kind of fun was you having? I was a whore. I was a whore. Yes, I was a whore. I was a whore. Yes, I was a whore. I was a whore. Popping ecstasy. You think we ran across the same? But I started to realize I was easy.

So then I started to realize I can't be easy out here on these hoes. I gotta be like, I was easy. You talk that shit, though. I realized I was a jump wall. I never heard him talk like this. Hold on, I'm gonna drink now. Hold on, hold on. I Called it a threesome date sick exam make everybody I'm like, what? I got a train, man? You know what I mean? Yeah, but it's two bitches, man. What else happened? That's enough. That's enough.

This is about you today, sir. Let me ask you a question. Have you ever dated a celebrity? Not dated. I smashed a celebrity. I think that's what you really meant. I was trying to be nice. I was trying to be nice.

Yeah? Yeah. Okay, okay. Let me ask you a question. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity.

I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. I smashed the celebrity. I think that's what he really meant. I was trying to be nice. I was trying to be nice. Yeah? Yeah. Okay, to answer your question. Did you fall in love with him? Nah.

You didn't fall in love? Have you ever fallen in love with a celebrity? Nah. There wasn't a celebrity when I was dealing with him. It was pre-celebrity. Yeah, pre-celebrity. Yeah. I knocked a couple down, if that's what you're trying to get at.

I knocked a couple of them down. I ain't knocking down and give ads or like, you know. Or mics and mics. Yeah. No, no. I mean, listen, listen. I mean, it's not like, you know, I mean. But I would have.

If I would have, listen, I told you. I would have put myself in a couple of the magazine every two months just to piss niggas off. No, no, no. I would have put. I'm saying, E, if you got the magazine and two months just to piss niggas off no no i'm saying if you got the magazine and the source awards and like there's a certain celebrity you liking and somehow some way she's interested in hosting it because you could slide in the dms absolutely

is it fair to say that everybody here has a celebrity crush? Of course. All right. So if you had the opportunity to let her host the Source Awards, you know what I'm saying? Would you do that? Hell yeah. That's the fuck. That's a no-brainer.

I'm trying to think about who's hosting the Source Awards now. Okay. Lisa Rae hosted the Sound Lab. Lil' Kim hosted the Source Awards, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, Kim didn't host the Source Awards. She gave out an award or something. She was a part of every source.

No? No, I'm bugging? She's going to be on here soon. Yes, she is. That'll be dope. And Foxy Brown, too, as well. She's going to be on here, too. That'll be dope.

Definitely. That'll be dope. Definitely. I'm going to watch those. Yeah, definitely, man. Definitely. So what's your favorite I bet you those be on Revo.

What? I bet you. Y'all laughing. Watch. Not this year, though. Watch. Y'all going to see the ads for Lil' Kim and Thaon

on Revo and not Z. Y'all going to laugh. Y'all going to be sitting there watching TV with your girl shit. Y'all going to be sitting in the air going to come up and be like,

that nigga Z crazy. She going to be like, that nigga Z crazy. She be like, it's not that, hey, shit. Watch. But you know, you can't get three free months of title by going to title.com. Forward slash dream champs offer. Salute, salute, salute.

So what's your favorite part of the game? The music. Studio. Niggas, you know what I'm saying? Smas smoking, everybody positive, happy, having a good time, all on one page. This is the most dopest part. That's why I commend you for this, because niggas don't do this. You actually take your niggas and make them a part of it, and that's the fun of it.

That's what I love about hip-hop in the game like right like the fun why I'm saying the money makes you don't crazy right you ever you ever um because we all go through this but you ever like you know when you misunderstood like like how do you go about that like you know I'm saying because like I remember when you first started using the internet, you would actually try to meet people. Right. Somebody would say something crazy about you. Yeah, nah, nah. I would just want to stay away from motherfuckers, man. Again,

I felt like all these years of going through the shit with the industry, you know what I'm saying? I just, you know what I'm saying? I go get with the streets. Once I get with niggas in the streets, they don't judge me. The streets don't judge. That's what I'm saying about the streets. Whatever the fuck you're going through, you can go to that block and no one's not going to say nothing. Even if you tell them, I done lost seven million dollars, my home, my kids, them motherfuckers just passing me the thing for this place's sake and smoke some weed. Motherfuckers don't care about that. That's why that to me is like you need that in life. You know what I'm saying?

You need that. Because, you know, because see me, money, losing money, losing source, losing. Look, I had gains. You have losses. You have gains. But where I come from, shit. You know what I'm saying? I feel like, what the fuck?

This ain't that bad anyways. You know what I mean? So when you go back there, you just, once you always go back there, once you, because I stay in the hood. Wherever I live, wherever I go, I stay with hood niggas. I just want to be in the hood with hood niggas because that's where I'm most comfortable. But that's because if you take these losses, you don't... Oh my God, what is everybody going to think? Ah, nigga, I wasn't supposed... I had a good run. You know what I mean? So you up, you down, you hustle. You know what I'm saying? You know that. We talk about that all the time. So let's address the elephant in the room.

What is you and Dave Mays' relationship standing at this very moment? Where's the elephant at? You know, imaginary. Nah. I mean, you know, me and Dave was together since 87. Dave is the supposed godfather of Koi. Dave knew me when I had no kids. I mean, Dave, the federal indictments, all the fucking arrests, all the problems, the beefs, the guns, the shootings, the this, the that.

Dave's been a part of my life almost every day of my life. Right. Four or five different cities we done lived in. I mean, so it was for over 20-something years. And we went through a lot together. It was just the time that Dave do him and me do me. You know what I'm saying? And just give each other a break. Right. You know what I'm saying? And just give each other a break.

You know what I'm saying? Because again, we was together a lot. Was it Hip Hop Weekly because you guys, after the source? Hip Hop Weekly was just because once we lost the source, I just had an idea. Dave still wanted to really be in the magazine game. You know what I'm saying? Not so much people you don't understand you know the source was lost if they heard the story but a

Bad investment with the internet in the early 90s was source.com and it crashed and you know took out a massive bank Com crash mass yet crash because all the early dot com And but the idea they were just before their time. Right. All right. So, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, we just put the magazine out

and had an idea, but at that point, it was just like, magazines was falling anyways. Right. Vibe fell, XXL fell. I mean, all the magazines

was falling. Print wasn't, you know what I'm saying? Everything's on the phone now. So, you know, we did Hip Hop Weekly, paid the bills or whatever, but it wasn't. It was just like a quick patch up.

You know, I can say this about Dave. When we lost The Source, Dave, a piece of that, a piece of Dave went with it. I could see that that hit Dave way harder than it hit me. You know what I'm saying? That was his baby. I feel for Dave for that. You know what I'm saying? But you can't take away anything. hit me you know I'm saying so that was his baby I feel for Dave for that you know I'm saying but

you can't take away anything now I know when people go their separate ways Dave's gonna want to do his side of the story all right and I got my side of the story you know it's unfortunate that we could we that we couldn't tell listen there's staffers who want to, everybody wants the source story. Everybody wants to do the source story and it's going to come. But it's going to be like, from what I say, it's like the Tupac, it's like a hundred different Tupacs. That's what's going to happen with the source. And I feel like this.

I feel like without me, you know what I'm saying, there's no story. Without me, without me, without me is it's just it's just um So you're saying there's a story being made right now or a film or something? No, I'm everybody's trying to make their own everybody's trying to make their own, you know We won't eventually wants to put out the source story Yeah, it absolutely can't be without you

but They're gonna have to tell it. You know, Dave has his side. I'm sure a couple of the editors have their side. They need all y'all in it. All perspectives. I mean, that never happens. Right, but it should.

I mean, a lot of things should happen. You know what I'm saying? But no, but the reality is that's not going to happen. So I'm going to tell my side. You know, I got to. And that's not going to happen. So I'm going to tell my side, you know. You know, I got to, and it's not just the source. Like, my life story has a lot more to do with the source. Different layers. Different chapter. You know, because after the source, I went on.

After Hip Hop Weekly, I'm still moving. And before the source, you had your story. And before the source, there was a lot. So, you know, but the source was because that was a big part of the culture. Those 18 years we had it was an amazing 18 years because it was ups and downs. 18 fucking years. 18 years. That's a long time you think, huh?

Oh, hell yeah. My son is here. He's 18 right now. Yeah, they look good, man. We got to remind people, this is pre-internet. The source was the lifeline for hip hop for people that didn't live in New York. The Source was an amazing piece. Me and Miami.

When you look back and see a big piece of magazine like that with the writing and everything, I mean, there was some amazing pieces in there. And that's why I don't want people to think, oh, college. No, no, no. They did some amazing stuff. I just think that there's a split between the streets and college that kind of hip hop had a lot to do with. It was a split. And I just felt like, you know, I tell the story again all the time, you know, like little brother, they gave them four and a half and then they gave Jeezy's

first album three. And I'm like, wow, how could you give them three? Because they didn't understand trap music. They didn't understand the streets. So it's not fair for people to rate something that you don't understand it. And that's just what I always felt like. That's real. You know what I'm saying? So I probably deserve five because of them college niggas. That's your scapegoat now.

College niggas, man. I knew them. I just couldn't pinpoint it. Nah, I'm talking with you. You got the sauce. You moved to Miami. Miami. Miami.

You started hip-hop. You started hip-hop weekly. Then all of a sudden, pack your bags, you moved to Atlanta. Right. Which is not abnormal for people in our industry. But what was abnormal was for us to see Benzino, who we looked at as street guy, gangster, to go on a reality television show.

But not only going... She got the other lighter. Come on. You ain't going to be standing with lighters over here. All right, let's do it. So come on. And she got the other one right there. I'm watching all of y'all. I'm watching all of y'all lighter thieves, my nigga. I'm on's do it. So come on. I actually got the other one right there. I'm watching all of you. I'm watching all your lighter thieves, my nigga.

So watch. I'm on point, brother. It's way as good as shit. Throw some more. All right, thank you. So what makes you even not only get into a reality show,

I mean, I know, but... You get knackered. Okay, a reality show, but you actually... It looked like, from what it appears from the outside of looking in, it appeared, look, you was actually looking for love.

Like when you first joined hip hop. Yeah, I think, you know, I was single. So, you know, and I'm getting up there in age. So, yeah, you know, definitely looking for someone that I can rock out with. I think like having the right partner, you know what I'm saying? Especially now in this industry, I think you can do amazing things. You know what I'm saying? And I felt like being on TV, who

slipped in the tiger bone? Let's go, baby. You ready? I didn't know you was ready yet. Alright, come on. Oh, we ready, baby. Oh, shit. You got it. Alright, alright. Another one. Alright, get another one.

Right there. See, a right, all right. Give me another one. Give me another one. Give me another one. All right, get another one. Got that. Right there. It'll come up right there. See, a part of the show. We putting this Xeno feature in. The yalla. That's what I thought. No, it's called actual.

I'm Akina. Akina. That's Akina. Akina, all right. Solo. Oh, man. Solo. Yeah.

All right, Akina. Akina. All right, all right, all right. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I hate it love it okay now god damn it what are we talking about I'm totally lost gotta do it with my left hand

so so the hip hop yeah love and hip hop, yeah, love of hip hop. You was looking for love. Or was that for cameras? I mean, you know- No, he said it. He just said it. No, I was actually like, you know what I'm saying?

I felt like, first I didn't go on there looking for love. I went on there just giving Stevie advice. They heard me talk. I was driving Stevie to the set. He had his mic on. They were still listening. He came. We smoking weed in the car between his takes.

And at that time, he was caught between the two. What was the thing you told him? Monogamous. Monogamous. Say it with me. Monogamous. I'll spell it. Monogamous.

I can be monogamous. Comes from monogamy. Alright. This is different. Motherfucking Sesame Street. I like this. So you started and then your first love interest was Carly Rae.

Can I ask you a question? Yeah. I mean, this was on the show. You act like I'm pulling out something. Yeah, I was like, got your questions. No, but you be talking about loving hip-hop on Dream Chat? Of course, man. Yeah. I'm the biggest loving hip-hop fan.

I'm going to be honest. We had our own episode. This is the new Jerry Springer. You know, I stopped watching Jerry Springer because I watched Love & Hip Hop. All right. Shoot. Let's go. For real. I've been watching Jerry Springer for 18 years.

How about that? All right. You know what I'm saying? To spark it and shit like that. Go ahead then. So that was your first love interest, right? Now, that was not for the camera. That was like-

Well, we started dating before I got on Love & Hip Hop. I was, again, bringing Stevie to the, because me and Stevie were staying together in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? Bringing him to the set. Because Cardi was cool with Jocelyn at the time. I don't know. I just met her off set, and she was like, you know, we was hollering, and then we hooked up. And then, you know, next thing you know, I get a call like, well, if you're dating.

Mona had called and was like, if you're dating somebody from the, you know, you should come on. I was like, oh, okay. That's how it happened. And then I felt like I'm on TV. She's cool. Why not? I felt like maybe she's at the age where she don't want to bullshit no more because I'm at the age where I don't want to bullshit. See, I feel like it's not like you have to find that special person,

but I'm so grounded and I know what I want and what I don't want now is that I feel like I could get with a person if they just have a good heart and everything. It's not too... I can get along with anybody at this point in my life. At that point, I was ready. You know what I'm saying? She wasn't ready.

So what made you not? No, she wasn't ready So what made you not Cause um No she wasn't ready No no you didn't give her the ring Yeah because she cheated Oh On the episode In real life too

Oh Man that shit's not scripted No nigga I was worse Yeah My shit was real I watched it Hold on hold on

She didn't cheat on the show though In real life she cheated Oh but you didn't say that on the show Cause on the show you just closed the day I just remembered I remember We were staying together She coming in mad early

I'm like listen you just can't be coming in mad early I don't know if you think this is for TV But I'm just not gonna keep going for this You know what I'm saying, in real life. Coming in early, like 5 in the morning? 5, 6 in the morning. Then after that, there was some shit on the blogs that she was fucking with niggas. Now, I'm going to be honest. It sounds like it.

I wasn't devastated, though. So I wasn't like, oh my God. I just was like, okay, hold up. Hold up. Since you're not ready, then I just want to break this off. It wasn't nothing disrespect against her. I just was like, I don't want to look like no fool

if we're not on the same page. You know what I'm saying? Very true. So that's when I told the producers I'm not doing the ring thing. You know what I'm saying? I probably was going to get engaged to her. You know what I'm saying?

And try to do something with her. Have our own show. Do our own, you know what I'm saying? We on TV. You know what I'm saying? And try to do something with her. Have our own show, do our own, you know what I'm saying? We on TV, let's, you know what I'm saying? Let's, like, people want to see love. You know why love and hip-hop is probably popular? You know what I'm saying? Because people are going through these things, man.

You know what I'm saying? And when I came on, like, I didn't mess with two women at a time on love and hip-hop, ever. Ever. Okay. So women looked at that. You know, because I wasn't going to do that. Like, I'm not going to go on and date two different chicks on TV. But it was a little bit of Carly and a little bit of Bambi at one point.

No, it was Carly. Carly was out the picture. Me and Bambi started dating. Oh, she was out the picture. Okay. Yeah. She was gone. But we saw her date two women at the same time.

No, no, no. There is it. There is it. There is it. There is it. There is it. They want to run triggers. No, there is it. But our love in hip-hop, see? But our love in hip-hop, they'll set it up now to where you're chilling at dinner.

Yeah, baby. Here she comes. And it's, ah. Get it, grab her. No, like. Yeah. I'm just not with it. I love you, the fuck right what if it's that then i don't you know me i'm like that all day like i'm not with that all day right i'm not blue face out here knocking two chicks down i know no but look at look at no no no

i ain't got a front we are entering a different zone right now where a lot of shit's being tolerated. I just know me. Me, where I'm at now, I only have the, for one. Yeah. I can. I can. Go ahead. Okay, I'm the one, right?

All right. Right. All right. But I want one. A lot of ones. Right. Right. Okay, so what's the problem, right? Alright. But I want one. A lot of ones. Right. Right. Okay, so what's wrong with that?

There's nothing at all. Wait, what did she say? I'm sorry? Okay, I'm the one. Okay, that's mine. The main one. Mine is woman. Right.

It's woman, it's woman, it's woman, it's woman, it's woman. Right, right. Don't tell me I'm your woman. I'll fucking burn this whole shit the fuck down. But you still want some side fling? No, I think she's talking about females. Hold on. I'm your woman, baby, right?

And then it's like, I still want you to enjoy your fucking life. Shit. You know? I still want you to still feel like that. No problem. Damn. So you're going to let him get some pussy? For real, for real.

But I still want my authority as your woman. But guess what? I'm not a fucking woman. You fuck. I need bags for that. Get it? Right. Right. Right.

Right, right. I get it. I get it. Shit got real. I get it. Shit got real. Sonny's like, give her 10 bucks. Yo, Sonny got quiet.

Sonny whispered something. I was like, what? Sonny taking notes. Sonny said, shitny got quiet. Sonny whispered something. I was like, what? Sonny said, shit just got real. He wrote that shit in Creole on his phone so nobody knew. That's dope. I just don't, me, I don't have, look it, look it. I don't, I never was a nigga why I wanted chicks fighting over me in real life. I'm just a real low-key nigga.

Like, I've messed with a lot of celebrities. The reason why people don't know, because I was a nigga why I wanted chicks fighting over me in real life I'm just a real low key nigga like I've messed with a lot of celebrities the reason why people don't know because I was a low key nigga you know what I'm saying like so on on love and hip hop

I'm not going to put myself in positions to be getting popped upside the head you know what I'm saying I'm not I'm not alright we gotta

relax now I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

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I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. that was real baby drinking oh yeah I'm drinking brother I'm ready for another shot to it you ready Nah, let's do Serac. Oh, no, no, no, no. You might as well stick your head in. Dream champs don't be having, like, mad tiger bone?

Yeah, my crib. I don't like to bring it. He'd be scared. Oh, yeah, yeah. Split with your girl. Split with your girl. Woo! Yeah, split.

Split it half and half with your girl. No? No? A woman. I'm sorry. Sorry. Okay, thank you. What's your name again from New York?

Okay, my name is Anika. Anika? Yeah. That's like Nicki Minaj's real name too, right? I'm from Hustle & Soul. Okay. Okay. All right.

I'm an artist. I'm an international artist. All right. And I'm already on Billboards because I already see it in the future. So that being said, what are we doing, baby? I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. Uh-huh. So that being said, what we doing, baby? I'm trying. That's what it is.

Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha! Wow. OK. Tiger, boom. Yes, yes. OK, come on.

It's a good day. All right, let me get some. I'll take a shot with y'all. Can you pass me the, um, Ciroc? I got friends with man motherfucking Long Tone. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

No, no, other one. Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, Zeno, the other one. The other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the watermelon. Watermelon. Nigga,, Zeno, Zeno. Zeno, Zeno, the other one. Now this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the watermelon. Watermelon, nigga, nigga. The Ciroc, the Ciroc.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, the other one. Yeah, there we go. I'm gonna do some Colombian white. Yeah, yeah. Nah, fuck that. I'm feeling a little saucy right now, I gotta lie. Yeah.

Yeah, as you should. Yeah, I'm doing a shot with y'all. Oh, yeah. You don't smoke? Nah. No? Uh-uh. He just does heroin. On the weekends. Yeah, I'm doing this up a shot with y'all. Oh, yeah, you smoke nah, no He just was harrowing I got no tracks though. Salah Salah. Where's yours? You took it already? Yeah, well take a shot of do say that other there you go girl. Oh, that's a rider right there

I see all that you smash other people. God damn it. It's a good rival. That's it. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute.

Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. Salute. I'm not gonna lie. This is dope, yo. And even though this is the third time you've been on. No, second time.

No, third time. We went to the restaurant. I was here with Ice-T. Fourth time, I was Ice-T. Oh, and I was here for the Bay niggas. Damn. You broke on Yuck Mouth. Yuck Mouth. You're a drink champ. We you're drinking a chain next time Y'all already said yeah, give me a change. on Danny. Benzino 2020.

Big up to Goode in the building as well. Carl Goode, y'all ain't mean in the building. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my nigga. Come on, y'all mean. My Boston family. My Boston family. Nuggs, what up Nuggs? He drink Champs alumni for real.

Nuggs should have a t-shirt going 10 years strong. Wait, what'd you say? It's an. Yo, Nug should have a t-shirt going 10 years strong. Wait, what'd you say? It's an inside joke, Nug. 10 years strong, baby. So, all right, so now love and hip-hop. Now, you become adapted to it because TV fame is different from, you know, the magazine world, the music world. I'm telling you, man, that fame shit is nothing to me. I just be like, I like to smoke weed.

I like to talk. You know what I'm saying? I don't even, that shit is, I don't, I'm telling you, man, that fame shit is nothing to me. I just be like, I like to smoke weed. I like to talk. You know what I'm saying? I don't even, that shit is, I'm telling you, I don't be seeing it. It's cool when people know you. Sometimes it's a pain in the ass.

You know what I'm saying? But it's love always. So I don't look at it, man. I'm telling you. I be always thinking the next way to get the next bag. I always got things to handle. I got bills,

court payments, child support. You know what I mean? That celebrity shit is a, that's a, that's a. A facade? That's a mirage. That's a fucking mirage. You know what I'm saying?

That's like it's not there. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool if you want to feel special. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because people think you're special. But if they already think you're special, then why you got to feel special?

Why don't you just be cool and just be the way you are? I don't want to be like a... Because when you look at the real type of celebrities, like, their attitudes are fucked up. I don't want to be like that. What made you put the peroxide in your hair? How'd you do the peroxide?

You do sun in. He didn't do this to Nas not once, my nigga. Yo, shout out to Nas, yo. That was the third episode, man. But damn, nigga. I had to be in Queens, British. I had to be in Queens, British.

Left, right. Hey, what I want? You got blonde hair. Far Rock? Come on. It's real. It's real. Like, you know, I've want? You got blonde hair. Far Rock? Come on. It's real. It's real.

Like, you know, I've known you for years, bro. What the fuck? At first, and you had the duck face on, too, when you first posted the picture. He was like, damn. I said, this nigga look like Derek Zoolander. This nigga's out here wilding. Listen, listen. And I called you, too, and this is how I knew I could talk you out of it.

He was like, you see I'm killing him, right? I'm about to say, you see of it. He was like, you see I'm killing him, right? I said, I'm about to say, you see, kill. And he said, you see I'm killing him, right? Them young niggas, that's my young swag. He's got his own young swag. I said, see, I can't even talk the nigga out of it. I just roll with it. Look, I forgot who I seen. I seen somebody.

I was like, yo, I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. It had to be like Chris Brown or Kanye West. I think it might have been Chris Brown. I told you, that's the light skin shit. You were genetically, you genetically, kinetically. I think it like Chris Brown or Kanye West. I think it might have been Chris Brown. I told you, that's some ice cream shit. You were kinetically... You telethically, kinetically... I think it was Chris Brown.

Kinetically? Yeah, telethically, kinetically. Shout out to Chris Brown, yo. Shout out to Chris Brown, man. You need to get Chris Brown on there, John Cena. Yeah, he agreed and everything, and then... Nigga changed his number the next day. It was real, man.

It was real. It hurt me. It hurt me. It hurt me, Chris. It hurt up. But okay, so now, you're going through this transition, and you, is it a time we had to choose? Can I say something?

Yeah. When you start talking like that, that's when you're serious CNN, Maury Schaefer. Oh, shit. When you just did that, I noticed you do that. It's like, okay, it's time to get serious. Yeah, yeah, I got your back. It was like, no, no, go ahead. I like that.

So, because, you know, the thing is, it's a facade. Like, you know, the love of hip-hop crowd. Like, that's a six, seven million people watching per week, correct? Yes. And my numbers are off? No watching per week, correct? Yes. And my numbers are off? No, you're absolutely correct, sir. So you're going from that where you're basically behind the scenes in the sauce, 50-50 partner. Yes.

But still behind the scenes, going from behind the scenes to going straight to the front line. How is the difference from that? And then how did you deal with that? Well, what about I had a couple of hit records? Yeah, he was an artist. Even the music. That's great. How was the difference from that? And then how did you deal with that? Well, what about I had a couple of hit records? Let's talk about that. Yeah, he was an artist. No, but I'm saying, even the music. That's great.

All right, that's great. Let me get a note. Come on, we'll get it. That's all right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. music fame. You can't compare video or hit record to- Rob Markman No, love and hip hop fame was big. Rob Markman That's the biggest. That's the biggest. Rob Markman TV fame was, I didn't even expect it. Rob Markman That's going seven million every week. Seven million people. Rob Markman To this day, to this day I can't go no hood, nowhere, like everybody's auntie trying to holler at me. Rob Markman Trying to take you down.

Rob Markman Everybody's auntie, you know what I'm saying? I love it. Wherever I go to, it's aunties all over America. Rob Markman Right. Rob Markman You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman That should be it's aunties all over America right you know what I'm saying that should be a website auntiesalloveramerica.com they love it I'm talking older women 60s and 70s

in Walmart would be like I love you with walkers you know how like you know what I'm saying who the oldest lady you ever took down

keep it real huh keep it real who the oldest lady you ever took down you look like you took down a 79 yearyear-old. I never did.

But she was a good 79-year-old. I'm going to keep it all the way to 1,000. I'm going to keep it 1,000. What's the oldest? I like younger women. Okay, but what's the oldest? You had an old night. Everyone had an old night. Just do it. Fuck it. Maybe 40-something.

Come on. That's disappointing. 40? Maybe 40-something. Maybe 40-something. Come on. I'm telling you. That's disappointing. Maybe 40-something. Yeah. 40. Mm-hmm. Have you ever, what, you haven't scraped a 60-year-old? No, I had a big night. I ain't have an old night.

I had a big night. I had a big night one night. 60? Big in size or big in age and size? Big in size. Had to take one for the team. Had to take one for the team. Wait, but you're 40.

How old were you when it was 40? That's really cool, man. I probably was like, I mean, I've been old a long time. I've been a while. So it doesn't matter. I just don't, you know, there's nothing like, you know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that I wouldn't. There's some beautiful older women out there.

Some Krugers. Krugers out there. And Cougars. I just prefer younger. Freddy Cougars. So if you prefer younger women, what is the male version of cougar?

The male version of cougar? I guess I'm a Black Panther. That's definitely not it. But I respect your answer. He went close. I closer like, black panther. Oh, sugar daddy. Sugar daddy.

Huh? Is sugar daddy the equivalent of being a cool girl? Nah, nah, nah. A sugar daddy is somebody who takes care of the young chick. You can't be taking care of... I'm done with that. Listen, let me tell you something. I've given gifts. I've done a lot for women. Yeah, we heard you bought bitches cars and with that. Listen, let me tell you something. I've given gifts.

I've done a lot for women. Yeah, we heard you bought bitches cars and all that. That was a real nigga shit. I bought cars and jewelry. Make some noise for that, goddammit. That's over with. That's over with. For the record, that's over with.

If you're my queen, there's nothing you can't get. There's nothing you can't get. But as far as just to be like just dating and just like, you know what I mean? Si eres mi reina, no hay nada que no puedas conseguir. No hay nada que no puedas conseguir. Pero en cuanto a estar... ¿Sabes lo que quiero decir? No, porque la peor cosa es que gastas todo este dinero y luego se va. Vamos, hombre. No, la peor parte es que te jodas a este tío Roy. Te jodas a este tío Roy.

Te jodas a este tío Roy. Te jodas a este tío Roy. Te jodas a este tío Roy. Te jodas a este tío Roy. Se jodió la cosa. Y este tío tío tío va a jugar y va a tener su día. Alguien otro va a poner el fin y luego te dirá sobre él. Sí Se jodió la cosa No, no hagas eso No hagas eso What? Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Right, Sonny. Ten mics.

Ten mics. Ten mics. In Creole, in Creole, in Creole. That's my guy. Whatever way he's going, I'm going that way. Ten mics. Take another shot. Ten mics.

No, no, no. We got new Serac. Let's do Serac. Can you fill him up with some Serac? Yeah, come on, I got Serac. Serac is the best one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's go. Yeah, two glasses.

Those are the guys, the guys ain't taking shots. They ain't got nothing to do with you, nigga, let's do it, come on. It's about you, come on. Oh, shit. Oh, kiss him on the mouth, kiss him on the mouth. Kiss him on the mouth. Oh!

Yes! I got a friend for you, yo. Oh. Come to the table, everybody. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Salud. Salud. Salud, come on, with your cup.

With your cup, Dino. Listen, man. We are celebrating you tonight. We are celebrating you tonight. And Anika. Okay. This is real, Salou. Thank you.

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Come on, man. Why you bringing up old shit? No, seriously, man. Come on. So, Shug Knight. He's like, no revolt. I'm outta here. Yo, Diddy, I swear I'm cool. We never had beef. We never had beef, I'm outta here.

Yo Diddy, I swear to God, we never had beef. We never had beef. I always loved you. Hold it, did you know me and Diddy did a song together? No. It's called Who's Benzino. Oh, really? Yeah.

And what did he do? The ad-libs? No, no, he did the ad-libs. But it's dope though. That's hard. That's all niggas really want, Diddy Falls. The ad-libs, nigga. No, Diddy, that's the Diddy Cam, right? That's the Diddy Falls

You know they get to see every episode and they get the big which ones they pick up but this is how to do Yes, you know sir. Rock is the watermelon is like the greatest we take about Sirocco water Fresh summer day on a fresh summer day? Or is that shit? That's that shit. Wait. Wait, can we do a safety? We need another one of those. So now, all right, let's go to Suge Knight then I'm going to rock the party.

But Suge Knight, you guys are throwing this award show, right? We're in New York City yeah Suge Knight is told to present an award or he's he's giving an award I forget how this goes didn't they win an award um he didn't win when he wasn't the CEO of the year or something like that oh no I'm not sure I just remember him just going up there and saying what he said niggas don't remember about the award that's that's what's said. Niggas don't remember about the award. That's what's so iconic about the moment.

Nobody remembers nothing about that. You just remember the moment was you're in New York. They had about 40, 50 Bloods and Crips in the audience. That's what I'm saying. It probably was the first time that's ever happened in New York. In New York. So, you know, you automatically think it's going down at some point. You know what I'm saying?

It's just when. That's what I was like. It's just a matter of time. But once he said that, then I was like, oh, yeah, it's going down. But I think Snoop's moment was the moment. He neutralized it a little bit. Because when Snoop grabbed it people thought his attitude

and his demeanor was that that he was getting ready to say fuck New York but he was saying he was like he fucks with New York you think I don't know

where I'm at yeah like right then and there it kind of confused New York at that moment you're right it neutralized it they was like wait a minute

they was ready to like and they was like oh shit like he just he just kind of you know what I'm saying? It was almost like, so I think that moment, I think that moment was, I think because of Snoop, you know what I'm saying? It didn't go crazy. It didn't get to where it probably could have.

I was backstage when it happened. And, you know, I mean, think about it. These niggas is having major beef. So, you know what I'm saying? When you think about it, it was kind of light. You know, I mean, think about it. These niggas is having major beef. So, you know what I'm saying? When you think about it, it was kind of light. You know what I'm saying? I've seen worse shit. Right.

You know what I'm saying? All right. You know? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, those words are famous when, you know, all up in the videos. Yeah. But I don't want to say that because I fuck with Diddy. No, no, that's okay.

He enjoys the history. Huh? He spoke about this on him. He did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jermaine Dupri. Really? Word, word? okay. He enjoys the history. Huh? He spoke about this on him. He did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Jermaine Dupri. Really? Word, word?

Yeah. What'd he say about it? He actually said that it was Jermaine Dupri that he thought he was talking about that day. He said that? We could flashback to the footage. He did say that. And then Jermaine Dupri said- And then Jermaine Dupri got on and said, that's not the case.

Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. That's what- See, Diddy's a- See, different person- One thing about Diddy, Diddy's a motherfucker. Yeah. Only Diddy could say some shit like that.

Like, everybody in the world knew who the fuck Suge was talking about. Let me retract my statement. He said that he stepped to Suge that night, and Suge said that to him. He said, Suge said, I was not talking about you. I was talking about Jermaine Dupri. Oh, he said that? That's what he said that Suge said. Wow. Wow, that's a big piece. I was talking about Jermaine Dupri. Oh, he said that? That's what he said. That's what Shug said.

Wow. Yeah. Wow, that's a big piece. I didn't know that. Yeah, that's what he said. We can flash back to the footage. That's a big piece of news right there because, yeah, if that happened, then, you know. But then Jermaine Dupri was saying that wasn't the case.

Jermaine Dupri said. I mean, he don't know if they spoke or not. He can't tell us. It's his story. My story Everybody's story You know what I'm saying At the end of the day

This is where I got out of it That But we had Bad Boy That did the whole set With all their groups And we had motherfucking Death Row With all their shit

That was iconic The other shit Just made it a little You know because listen The east and west Were kind of beefing At that time You know what I'm saying

So you know It could have went a lot worse. I think when you think about it and you put it in perspective, it really wasn't shit. It could have been deadly. It was cool. What do you miss, or if you do at all, what do you miss most about being part owner of the sauce? The money. Goddamn it God damn it. Nah, nah, nah.

I mean, like I said back then, just the time. You know what I mean? Like the time, I mean, we live in a different time, you know. You know that. You know, if you're of age,

you know back then, it was just, it was without computers, life was doper to me. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was just, we was in them streets.

People were out in the streets. You had things to do. People were out in the streets you had things to do people were out in the hoods people were fucking with each other in the hoods everybody's like you could be all of us

like this you know what I mean it's just different I looked at the Rockefeller tree one day and they they like put

like these names and they put how many people that got put on through Rockefeller if we could name the people that

got put on through the source we're we could name the people that got put on through the source. We're talking about Elliot Wilson. We're talking about- Mike Elliott. He did Love and Basketball. We're talking Kim Osorio. We're talking Miss Info. Miss Info.

Riggs. Riggs. Carlito. The guy that did the Tupac thing. Frank. Frank. He just did the Tupac- What? The Tupac story. That Tupac documentary on Frank. Frank. He just did the Tupac story.

That Tupac documentary on A&E. Frank something. Frank something. A word? Yeah. Unsolved, I think it was called. Yeah, Unsolved. He produced that.

Datari. Datari. We TV produced. I mean, you go on and on. They're all over the place. It's almost like if you had sauce on your resume. Look, hip hop got so big. These corporations, they only want to take a motherfucker who they feel is nonviolent and college.

You know what I'm saying? So they're the ones. And God bless them. You know what I'm saying? But Frank Alexander. I don't remember. Frank. Frank.

Thanks, Lee. Frankie Valli. Frank. Frankie Valli. Frank White. Frankie Beverly. Frankie Valli. Frankie. Frankie. Frankie. Frankie what? Frankie Beverly.

Frankie. Frankie hot dog. One of them niggas. Oh, god damn it. Thanks Lee. Lee said Frank Alexander. I got it. Now what was your worst cover you ever made

no the worst cover ever one of them was I remember we put Irv Gotti on the cover because at that point everybody

the source we was already losing the source at that point we knew it it was just a matter of time so one of our last covers was the Irv and

at that point- Did phenomenal. No, it didn't do too well. Only because nobody was, you know, at that point. See, when the Eminem beef happened- This is when 50 Cent was saying, they smell pussy. When Eminem beef was happening, right? So I got cool with Ja and Murder, Inc.

You know what I'm saying? Because we was basically neighbors. Our kids grew up together. Right. My niggas. And especially a lot of- Yeah,. Not just Ja, but it's all, Murder Inc. is a bunch of niggas. You know what I mean? A lot of niggas. DJ.

So yeah, yeah. So I felt like I'm beefing with Eminem, the situation with Eminem. They're beefing with 50. It's looking like- Your enemy's my enemy. We friends. Rob Markman, Yeah, type of thing. Yeah. It was weird because when that shit happened, this is how weird shit is. This is how weird shit is.

This is some weird shit, man. On 54th Street, there was the Hit Factory where 50 gone to the beef with Ja, right? I met Sony Music. That's on 54th also. These are two, right? I'm at Sony Music. That's on 54th also. These are two huge studios in New York at the time. They both closed down. Yeah, they was on the same street. It was on the same.

You've been to both of them. Okay, yeah. Remember the Sony hip hop room was downstairs in the basement. Yes. All right, so cool Jesus that a made men smoke cigarettes. So you got to go outside and do that. Give everybody a shot. Nigga, when y'all say give a shot, nigga, it's a fuck.

Pour everybody, nigga, it's a fuck. I look like I'm taking a bath. Fuck. You going to be Mr. Lee right now. Let Mr. Lee relax. I got my own look. I ain't going to come this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, continue.

I'm sorry, sir. So I guess, so Jesus is upstairs. Now, he brought 50 downstairs to the room, and I'm playing John Madden. When 50 comes up, and he's like, yo. Now, what 50 is this? This is prior to How to Rob? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it was whatever the time that they got to the beef at Hit Factory.

That was after How to Rob. It had to be after. Yeah, that was after the- How to Rob? That was after that, yeah. Okay. But I had fucked with Red Hot Lover Tone. You know Red Hot Lover Tone? be after yeah that was after the um that was after that yeah but i had you know i had i had fucked with red hot lover tone them you know red hot lover track master tone yeah all right so did

you know that on 91 we was on tour and niggas was gonna fuck red hot lover tone up in north carolina and you know i'm saying i think i was the only one with a blink with a on tour had to pull it out and save his life and he'll tell you that but that's before he was track masters I saved his life okay let me get a round of applause for that

god damn it come on save his life come on come on hold on let me give you as long as I know Zeno that nigga do not

pass the blunt bro and he'll look at that he'll look he got another one in his hand look he'll look at you and just talk to you, too. Like, yo, listen, man. You're like, yo, pass the fucking weed. You're a bad guy.

No, go ahead. Give it to her. Give it to her. She needs it. Come on. So whatever happened at Hit Factory, he ended up running down to the, ended up down at Sony with us. And who are we talking about right now?

50 Cent? 50. I didn't know John them then. Okay. Back then, it was like you. I'd see, because I had Rock the Party. Right. And you had What What.

Uh-huh. John probably had a song. He got a bunch of them. He had Can I Get Up? What? What? All right, so we're doing little shows. No, he didn't.

He had Holla. Holla. Okay. So we're doing shows, and we might see each other, and we're giving niggas of the short head bob. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? We don't like each other. You got your niggas.

Right. So me and Ru wasn't even cool. Wow. You know what I'm saying? And then when he came down there, I was like, let's say 50 was standing over there, and I'm playing, and I'm looking at Jesus like, this nigga's just bringing niggas down into the fucking, but it was cool, you. And I'm playing. And I'm looking at Jesus like,

this nigga's just bringing niggas down into the fucking... But it was cool. You know what I'm saying? We kicked it. You know what I'm saying? He showed me where, I guess, he had got stabbed or something on his side or whatever. And he showed... He had a little.32 or.38.

And it didn't have any shells in it. And he said the nigga he was with had the gun and the gun fell, but it didn't have any shells in it. And he said the nigga he was with had the gun and the gun fell but it didn't have no bullets in it and he was explaining the situation. And then I ended up calling the McCar service and I got him and I think he went to Bellevue. He might have went to the hospital.

I really don't know where he went after that, right? And that was the story but then fast forward I moved to Saddle River and our kids my son is with Jai's son my daughter is with Jai's daughter growing up together

I'm beefing with Eminem he's beefing with 50 so it's just weird how shit this is like growing up hip hop in real life it's crazy it's crazy how shit happens because me and 50 never had no beef

it was with Eminem. Y'all seen each other in the club the other day, right? I think I saw some footage. I was in, yeah, yeah. And he actually shouted you out. He actually said,

Benzino's in the building. I see you, nigga, or something. I think I've seen footage online. I'm on point. Am I on point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah.

Oh, okay. Nah, it was, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you know, it was, you know what I mean? Like, I never really had beef with 50. There was no beef with 50. You know what I'm saying?

It's just that Ja was beefing with 50. And me and Ja's cool. Right. You know what I'm saying? All right. That's some real production shit you just did, like, while we were doing it. And you'd be like. Yeah, he just told me to put a spit in the shot.

That was hard. That was hard. That was some real production shit right there. No, no, no, no, no. That was hard. The other thing. The other one. What's this? Yeah. That's hard. It was hard. It was a real production shit right there. No, no, no, no, no, no. The other thing.

The other one. What's this? We're drinking everything. Why? You just said you fuck with Diddy and this is great. And Ciroc is great. Yeah, Ciroc is great. On a summer afternoon when it's hot.

Look at the Diddy cam. Turn the bottle around. The Diddy cam. Listen, listen. Turn the bottle around. This ain't no joke. This ain't no joke. On a summer afternoon, no, like all jokes aside.

On a summer afternoon when it's fucking with some conch salad. Yeah. On a summer afternoon, no, like all jokes aside. All right. On a summer afternoon. When it's fucking with some conch salad. Yeah. With a beautiful woman. With a string bikini on on a beautiful beach.

Beautiful bitches. A lot of them. With a whole bunch of bikinis on. On the beach. And we got some of this, right? And we got, and we got, and what do we got? Tell me what we got. We got some Rug, baby.

I feel like there's cocaine involved as well. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine.

I used to do cocaine. I used to do cocaine. I just want a little bit. Man, we cheering already? Cheer, cheer, cheer. We're so... Nah, I just gotta keep my shit. I just gotta keep my... So in the camera, so in the camera. You know what y'all need? Drink champ coasters. For the last time.

You know what y'all need? Drink champ coasters. For the last time. You know what y'all need? Drink champ coasters. For the last time. You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need?

You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You know what y'all need? You can come to my house anytime. Nah, I just gotta keep my shit. I just gotta keep my stuff. So when the cameras, so when the cameras. You know what y'all need?

Drink champ coasters. Put the drinks on. Right? That's hard, right? Just take the stickers and put them on something. You know what I'm saying? Drink champ stuff. You know what I'm saying?

That shit fucked me up just now. Oh, shit. That was hilarious. Ah. I was throwing up. That was hilarious. Ah. I was throwing up. I was throwing up. Let's even peep the smoke champs official. Oh, yeah.

Let's smoke another one. No, you got to peep this one. You got to smoke this one. Light that up. No, I don't do it. I'm backwards. I don't do backwards. No, no, it's okay.

It's a different type of backwards. This is a tobacco-free backward. Come on. This is our shit. Come on. I don't do backwards. This is a tobacco-free backward. Come on. This is our shit. Come on. I don't do backwards. Your homeboy got his own reason. Try it out.

I don't do backwards. Look at that. That's a dirty. No, no, no. That's like a dirty right there. You think it's dipped in coke? No. CBD.

CBD. But we're just going to try to trick you. But light that up. Light that up. I remember one time I did an interview with Trick, right? CBD, CBD. CBD, CBD. But we just going to try to trick you. But light that up, light that up. I remember one time I did an interview with Trick, right? So Trick is next to me and shit. I'm in Miami and he smoking. And we just smoking and I'm smelling the weed.

I'm like, I'm thinking he's smoking Bleed, but I noticed that the blunt was real thin and shit. I was like, he probably just don't like a lot of weed in his blunt. That motherfucker lit that bitch up while I was like, New Jack City. New Jack City in his mouth. Remember the part in the basement? Light it up. Light it right there.

Look, niggas, this is giving you light. I'm going to keep it one thousand. I don't smoke backwards. It's okay. Just take a couple of hits. Yo, what's up with the pinpricks? Nah, I'll take a hit. Nah, I'll take a hit. How about that? Yeah, nah, I'll take a couple of hits, man. Yo, what's up with the peer pressure? Nah, I took hits. Nah, I took hits.

How about that? Yeah, nah, I took hits. Yeah. Oh. What's the score? That's nice. What's the score? What's the score? Smoke chance.

Read it in there. Read it in there. Dude, give us a commercial. All right. I'm going to tell you what it tastes like. The pull is smooth. I can't front for a backwood. I'm not going to lie.

It's not a backwood. It's a backwood. It's a fake backwood. And I don't feel dizzy. And it's sweet. It's because there's no tobacco. I have little hints of honey. I have hints of sugar.

You know what I'm saying? That's cocaine. Hey, not in our smoke chance products. Just playing. It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. Oh! I love this fucking show.

Oh, shit. Try that. Why are you even on it? Try that. But you're not supposed to know that, okay? Try that. You're a traitor. I can't take too many hits of that, though.

I ain't got a front. Back to the regular blunts. Let me get that one right hits of that, though. I ain't going to front. Back to the regular blunts. Let me get that one right there. Oh, shit. I'm going to take that back. I'm dizzy as fuck from that shit right there. Oh, man. That shit is awesome.

We had to shit out that commercial. No, that was dope. That was dope. Oh, fuck. I was fucked up. I ain't going to lie. I got one more shot left in me. You crazy.

No? He's not even drunk. Nah. This nigga's liver is like, man, please, we got this. You can drink, my nigga. Nah, man. It's all good, man. So listen.

You've been throughout the whole industry, right? You've been inside, backside, and... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I forgot. Hold on. Hold on. hold on hold on hold on i forgot hold on hold on hold on i forgot i meant to say inside outside i'm sorry i said backside no no i just gotta get my serious face you've been in you've been in culinary arts if you had to pick one and i don't know we answered that in a different way and you said music before but if you had the reality, if you had the top reality person

to produce a show for you right now or you had the top person to put your restaurant I don't know what you're saying. If you had a choice between doing an ill reality show or having an ill restaurant,

what would you pick? Or music, too. You said- No, I would want- No music. I would want- Restaurant or reality show? Reality show.

Reality show. Reality show over a restaurant? Yeah, because the reality show is going to show me at my restaurant. Mm. Ray Kwan voice. Good. That was good. Mm.

Mm. Rayquan voice Good That was good Rayquan voice Is cause like When we be talking to Rayquan Like Ray be serious Then be like So every time we do that We be like Rayquan voice And why you ain't get on no cocaine man

Why you ain't have no cocaine for I don't You know Come on man No you know what I can't do it Only in the studio Fuck y'all

Oh Cause when I get in the studio. Fuck y'all. Oh. Because when I get in the studio, I just call y'all fucking fuck, fuck, fuck. Let's make some noise for that. Shot fired. Is there more? I got it. I got it. I got it.

I got it. Jesus Christ. Yo, Zito, man, we celebrate people's careers here, man. You know what? You've been out here for 30 years You're hella strong You know what That was a big up

That was a big up That wasn't a big up That wasn't a big up What Why the fuck you laughing at me I'm fucking I'm fucking You've been here for 50 years

You've been here for about 25 too I'm 20 I'm 22 I 25 too I'm 22 Been a long time Yes I have Yes I have Yes I have Been around for You been around a long time

But today is about you And I'm bigging you up I'm just saying that There's not a lot of people Who can stand the test of time Like you There's not a lot of people There's not a lot of people

Who can transition Pass it back though man This is This is the last one Come on Pass that one back. There's not a lot of people who can transition like you. Who can stand tall

and not complain and just sit there and just find a different way to find another hustle, to find another way to find another fucking outlet to fucking eat. From you being a culinary expert, from cooking to being on the reality TV, to running the whole magazine,

to running groups, to motherfucking doing music from Rock the Party to with Mario Winans and all that. You got Mario Winans, you know what I mean? He smokes weed and all that shit. Mario was the first nigga to turn me on to seven different types of weed. Oh, shit.

I thought that nigga was a whiners whiners. We went up to the Catskills, right? That nigga's not a real whiners. That nigga's a different whiners. We went up to the Catskills. He smoked marijuana. We went up to the Catskills Mountains and stayed there for like a month. Was Mike Tyson there?

I feel like Mike Tyson was around. No, but Nas recorded there. Oh, wow. It's a bar. No, he took my Beardsville, man. He took my Beardsville, my man. That's not Catskills at all. Yeah, that's right. You Cats you talking about Beardsville, man. You talking about Beardsville, man. That's not Caskills at all. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

That's right. You're Caskills right there. That's Woodstock. Woodstock. Woodstock, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so. I just told my other studio the other day.

Yeah. Yo, that was that. You got your shot? Come on. Listen, we did a video and we got like 30 Suze Rendezvous girls up there, me and Mario, playing paintball with us for the video. A Mario freak too? Do Mario freak?

Mario's a freak. What? I can't wait to tell his parents. Let me tell you, Rio, Rio. What he be doing out here on these streets. No, no, no, no, listen man, Rio, yeah, Rio, yeah, he a beast man. Do cocaine too? The way you look, the way you say, the way you look like Rio.

You make it sound like we're sponsored by cocaine. We know you did cocaine since that your name is Jose. No, I never did cocaine in my life. I did a lot of molly, though. Kind of like, you know, takes up for it. You never did cocaine? Never in my life. Never did cocaine?

Never in my life. You're not Puerto Rican. Not even. That's prejudice. Look at that. Prejudice again. Prejudice again. You're not Puerto Rican. I did molly. I did molly. You don't. But he did it. You're not Puerto Rican.

I did Molly. I did Molly. You don't like pork shorter than cocaine? You're not Puerto Rican. Yeah. But I like Chicharron de Pollo and I like Molly. How about that? Molly's a black drug.

Hey, man. That's your black side. That's also prejudice as well. It's a black drug. No, he did Ecstasy too when it was called Ecstasy. Yeah, Ecstasy too. Ecstasy? Yeah, I did Ecstasy too.

He did the Cadillacs. You like Molly? Molly's your choice of dress? I haven't did Molly in three years, but I'm going to look at you in your face, eye to eye, man to man, and I'm not going to tell you that I'm not going to do one again. No, I like it. I like it. How do you feel off of Molly? I perform like a porn star.

I love it. I love it. I love it. You know. Do you eat ass? No love it. I love it. You know. Do you eat ass? No, I don't eat ass. You've never ate ass? I ate around it.

I've seen you eat ass. Ate around it? You ate around the ass? I ate around it. I ate around it. What is eating around the ass? You know what it is. That's called eating ass.

That's eating ass. No, I eat the ass. I've seen you eat ass on the internet. On the internet. Remember that? I eat ass. But how did that come to you? You eat ass. But how did that picture get up? You eat ass.

How did that picture get up? If it's a chick, then I fucks with the ass. OK. Sonny, you eat ass? Never. You son. Stop your lying, you dirty motherfucker. Sonny.

You put barbecue on that ass. Sonny, you never ate ass. I'm not going to lie. He always said he don't eat ass, but your face looks like an ass. There's no way. Your face look like an ass. Talk about prejudice. I didn't say Haitian.

I didn't say Haitian. No, no, I'm not being prejudiced. It's because of who you are. We already know you, man. You open the bottle with your teeth. You're prejudiced against Haitians, he's right. No, no, I'm not being pregnant. It's because of who you are. We already know you, man. You open the bottle with your teeth. You're prejudiced against Haitians. He's right. No, that was him losing. No, no, I'm talking about Sonny. I'm prejudiced against Sonny.

He automatically, well, whatever they say, but I'm just here to tell you, I've never eaten a booty. Really? You fucked up your life and you fucked up your soul. Damn, that shit was religious. You an ass purgatory from now on. Yo, hold on. I ain't never heard of this.

I ain't never heard of this. She said your soul ain't right. I ain't give a shit. She said your soul ain't right. She said your soul ain't right. You eat ass too? You're not. You're a liar. You don't claim to matter who you're so weird. She said she is. You eat ass too? You're not. You're a liar.

You're a Clinton man. Who you supposed to be? Everybody in here who eats ass put their hands up. Come on. We all, man. There we go. You got a live one with you tonight. I'm going to throw that out there.

I'm human. I'm human. I'm sorry. I'm not going to sit here and not pretend to not be human. Right, right, right. Fucking right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. She might eat your ass tonight.

I might suck his toes too. Ooh, 10 mics! 10 mics! 10 mics! 10 mics! 10 mics! Ah ha ha! Zika is still on the table. It's his timing and trickster. He was like, you ready to get in right now?

She got 10 mics in the house and we ain't even out yet. We about done anyway. 10 mics. I don't want that no more. Pass that to Ziv. We don't want that no more. How sad to spill. We don't want that no more. That shit is like,

what is that? That shit will get you, that shit will, you'll be fucking. I didn't even smoke it and it's fucking me. Oh, you just took a hit? No, just a round.

I was kidding, that's big, that's big. Oh, man. Come on. That's a shot. We're going to do it. Another shot? We're going to do it. Oh, shit. Y'. That's a shot? We're going to do it. Another shot? We're going to do it.

Oh, shit. Y'all may just be sneaking shots. This is bad. So, you ready? You ready? Yes. I am ready. Hold on.

I'm not ready. I'm coughing. I'm ready. That's your question. That's your question. Yes, I'm in. When T-O-N-Y came out, right? Yes.

And the streets was buzzing. The streets was, you know what I'm saying? Did you feel like this is what you've always dreamed about? You know what I'm saying? Was that the moment where you felt? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm just, you finished your question? I'm sorry. No, but you answered it way too fast. Okay. Who is it? Yeah, just tell me. When T.O.Y... I just want...

Because that was my joint, my nigga. I was like, who is this nigga? It was everybody's joint at that time. And his voice sounded like a Puerto Rican nigga. You know what I'm saying? Also, apparently... He didn't sound like a straight nigga. He came in like the first Puerto Rican nigga.

Also prejudiced. Because I'm not a straight nigga. He just said something about Asians. Yeah, that's okay. Salud, nigga. We all prejudiced. No, you're shot. You're shot.

Stop putting that dry ass cup of D'Ussé that you are not even punishing. Did y'all hear that burp? That burp was on the mic? That's drink champs. That's drink champs. Salud. Salud. Champs. Salo. Salo. Salo.

Salo. These are Drink Champs shot glasses? Yes, it is, bro. You can find them on 89.com if you would like to purchase. Yo, can I ask you a question? When y'all going to give me something, do y'all have a t-shirt? I have nothing.

Do y'all have no sandals? Damn, no revolt, no t-shirt, no nothing. We gave you smoke champs. This nigga says he speaks to me every other day and says me nothing. Salo. I don't send nobody anything. You know what I'm saying? I don't send nothing to nobody.

I got you, Zeno. I got you. He's in charge of the merch. He's in charge of the merch. No, I'm not in charge of the merch. Don't put that on me. I put it on you. I am not ready for May 9th.

I put it on you. I put it on you. Don't put that shit on me. I put it on you. You're a human guy. Yeah, where the blunt at, man? Jesus, man. Come on.

You are the blunt capturer. You are catch and save a blunt. Did you know that I produced a song with him and P on P-H-N-I-C? And that song is fire. Yes, yes. Best of Peace Prodigy. Can you play that song on your podcast as I'm talking right now? We'll get sued.

We'll get sued. Really? Yeah, we have to actually own the material that we play. Oh, that's a fire fucking joint, yo. We should. Shout out to Jeff Two Times, JB that produced that two-hanging man thing.

You got your plaque for that? No, but I'm going to get my Nas plaque and that plaque. Yo, wasn't we all in Vegas when Prodigy passed away? We were all together. I had just seen you. We were all together.

I ran on stage with you and just seen you and that's when I happened. And you did my full show before that or after that? After that. After that. Because that's why you had flew me down there. Yep.

And I came from the airport straight to the concert. Yep. And I seen Havoc, Hav, where's P? He had already left. And then I couldn't. And you know what's so crazy? Okay. Oh, we just said the same time.

Because you know what? God made. Listen, just so you know, I was fighting the whole time for New Orleans or Las Vegas to where I would film that. And I knew that's where I was going to bring you to.

So God made me pick Las Vegas to see Pete for his last time. I don't want to be conspiracy theorist. You said God made you do that? God made me. Because it was like Vegas or New Orleans. I like new orleans cuisine more than i like vegas uh cuisine but i like vegas as a whole atmosphere more that's dope that you took god's and and for some reason god was telling me like yo go to vegas so i took vegas and i brought you with me to vegas and this is the

last question we all seem proud of. When God tells you these things, when does it happen and how does it happen? I just felt it. It was something that it was like a make or break the show. It was actually because they really want

what's pushing New Orleans. So this was something that I fucking pissed off the crew. Off top. And that's crazy because he was there when P died. You know what I'm saying? Off top.

Let me tell you what's even crazier. When I pulled up and I got it on video, when I pulled up, right, they was doing Shook once on stage. But I stayed out there smoking. We were on the camera because my niggas had picked me up. And then when I went, that's when I went on stage. I seen Nori and everything. I went on stage with Nori.

No, you brought me on stage with you. And Prodigy and them had already left. But across the street was the dressing room. I went on stage with Nori. You brought me on stage with you. Prodigy had already left, but across the street was the dressing room. So I seen half half. See, Mobb D was the first niggas to really do songs with RSO in 94. We shot a video, The War Is On, with P. The War Is On. He was on New Tribe, right?

He was on New Tribe. The War Is On. We kept the relationship after that like i always felt like p was special i ain't going far i can't i'm telling you that's the piece yeah i always felt like prodigy was special he was a he was a different like and even now like you know what i'm saying i meet a lot of people so some people stand out you know what i'm saying i don't want that why you keep passing that to me you keep passing? Why you even smoking that? That shit is harsh, bro.

That shit is killing me. Yeah, stop doing that. It's good. I said, it's. That's the last time we got to see Prodigy, and it's crazy we got to see them together. Man, then we did the song with you. And you killed that. That song was done.

That song is hot. That shit is hot. And you know the crazy thing? That was the first song we actually recorded after we actually squashed our beat. Ain't that song? And it was on your beat. That was ill. Ain't that crazy?

That's ill. That's 360. And it's a hot song. For those who don't know, what's the name of the song? What you rap? God, that song is crazy, yo. I just ordered my plaque this week because I lost all my plaques. The pun one too?

No, that's the only plaque I got, and that's the only because I left it in somebody's house. But, yeah, I lost it. You left the plaque in somebody's house? Yes, that's the only reason I have my pun plaque. El Dumb Dumb. I have, yes, Super Dumb Dumb. And I have my CBS.

I left my plaque in somebody's crib. You got your CBS plaque. What were you just doing all of a sudden? What were you just carrying it around? You know, I'm probably hanging out. I left my plaque in somebody's career. Yeah. You got your CBS plaque. What are you doing all this time? What was it? You just carried it around? Like, you know, I'm probably taking it out. It's like a whole plaque for me. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, because remember the hood lab? Remember I had all my plaques in the hood lab? And the hood lab, when we was leaving, it had got robbed. So they took all the plaques. I don't know why people steal plaques. You got a bunch of plaques, though. Yeah, those things were worth $100. Like, people think that, like, it's real gold.

But they cost money. Yeah, it's $100, though. Yeah, it costs. It's a piece of history, show. Yeah, this is worth $100 like I people things that I just real go and cost money Yes, I was there because it's a piece of history though for someone. Yeah, take it. Yeah, but you can't really sell them though I got a double platinum now. It's black still mad It's that that that I need to go get I got a seven million. I'm R Kelly plan. Come on, man It's not it's not really worth What you think about dog Kelly situation, I think R Kelly is and he should get fucked in his ass every day in the fucking jail. Oh, Lord.

But I also think OJ's innocent. I used to date OJ's daughter. I think you got to make noise for that. Now, was he black OJ or. or this was white O.J.? I never met O.J. You never met O.J.? I met him. He ain't killed nobody.

I was just dating his daughter, and you know what I'm saying? When all that was going on and everything. Damn, while that was going on. Oh, while he was out here? The trial, during the trial. I mean, it wasn't too far from. No, it was the trial. After that, he was following. But yeah, it was, you know, it wasn't too far from, no, it was, you know, the trial. Like, after that, you know, he was found, you know.

But, yeah, that was interesting. His daughter. That was hard. What's her name? Loretta? Arnell. Loretta? Arnell?

Arnell? That's hard. That's hard. That's hard. You knocked a lot of things down. I mean, yo, man, listen, man. You got to, it's either you say it here or you write a book. But you know what, though?

You can't be super happy. A man shouldn't be judged by the things that he's knocked down. Nah, man, listen, man. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something, man. You know how many other people of your age that don't look, like Paul's, that don't look as good as you, look as young as you. You know what? You should be bragging about this shit.

Me, I'll be telling everybody. It's not me no more. It's not me no more. I'll be like, ah, bitch, you remember? You remember? You remember now? You remember now? Oh, we had your shit.

You know what I mean? Had your shit pushed in like Trader Dave's. There's some names that you'd be surprised, you'd be like, for real? You're past the blunt my brother, what you doing with the blunt man, come on. You're terrible at this man, I'm surprised none of your Boston niggas tell you about this. I'm gonna fuck that, that was good as shit. Whatever that is, that's the winner tonight. This is Diego OG, god damn it. Make. This is Diego OG, goddammit. Make some noise for Diego OG, goddammit.

We almost done? Now, what's next? You rushing me, sir? No. We trying to give you your flowers. I ain't fucking with you. I ain't fucking with you. Now, what's next for Zeno, man?

You conquered the restaurant business. Taking her down tonight? We know that. There's some ass eating going on tonight. There's some ass eating going on tonight. Some ass eating going on tonight. On both ends. Let's go. Let's go. Get comfortable.

Yeah, get comfortable. You know I am. You know I am. That's yes. You know what I'm saying? That's yes. You know what I'm saying? No, he's from left rack. He can't help it. Light-skinned niggas with blonde hair,

gotta be gentlemen. It's in the Geneva Convention. You gotta be gentlemen. That's a good one. Listen, if he don't hit your back, girl, watch your back. Watch your back. That's a good one. So, what's next for me?

Yeah. Like, so I'm going to open up the restaurant. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Get back to my passion, cooking. Try to open up a few more around the country. Grab trap. Doing a lot of different.

Xeno sauce. Still hosting. You know what I'm saying? Still ripping the mic. I got some hot music that I'm just holding on to until I can put it out. Got some offers to go back on TV You know what I'm saying And you know

Big fish in them niggas A little bit I gotta relax I gotta relax I gotta relax, continue That's one thing I love about you Because if he knows you gotta relax He'll say I gotta relax

He's talking to himself You gotta relax That's one thing I love about you, because if he knows you got to relax, he'll say, I got to relax. He's talking to himself. You got to relax. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I got some opportunities, and I think it'll be good. Because at the end of the day, I feel like there's a big demographic out there that want to see me back on TV. I like being on TV. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to portray myself or nothing that I'm back on TV. I like being on TV. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to portray myself

or nothing that I'm not on TV. When it comes to women, I mean, yeah, I've been in the streets and I've been through it all. But when it comes to women, there's nothing to matter with being romantic and being respectful and being and having some, you know what I'm saying? Just because you're wild

in the street don't mean you have to be wild with a woman as far as what you're treating. So I think I've always maintained that. Just because you're wild in the street don't mean you have to be wild with a woman as far as what you're treated. Right, right. So I think I've always maintained that. I think that's like what I would want to pass on to my sons. How about marriage boot camp? Because marriage boot camp...

How are we talking about marriage boot camp? Hold on, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Let's talk about something else. Let me ask you this. Because right now, Stiles P... You want to go back to that? Stiles P, I believe his wife,

I believe Jocelyn, I believe all of them, I believe Corrupt, I believe Jocelyn, I believe all of them. I believe Corrupt. They're all out there filming secretly a marriage boot camp right now. And? I'm asking you. You had experience of marriage boot camp. Did that help?

I would never do that shit again. Word? That's what I was going to say. I'd go to six months in prison before I do it. Wait, wait, wait. Stop. Stop. Wait, but what is marriage boot book? I don't know.

Give me the money. I'll do six months in jail. Give me the money. I'll go do six months. EFN TV is still black and white, my nigga. This nigga don't watch no TV. Listen, I'm not going to be locked up in the crib with anybody no more. But you can smoke weed, though, right?

I was sneaking off to the side. The production team was always like, where's Benzino? Benzino. I'm in the woods like, yo, listen. Listen, please. Just give me my space. Give me my space. They thought I was crazy.

They don't search you. Yeah, because when the camera and the scenes go off, I be mad as fuck. Because I hate being played. Yo, like, yo, just give me my space. Give me my fucking space. You know what I'm saying? They be like, OK, OK. Because they don't search you when you get in. It's not like you in rehab. Listen, I would. Give me my fucking space. You know what I'm saying? They'd be like, okay, okay. Because they don't search you when you get in.

It's not like you're in rehab. Listen, I would rather go to prison. Right. You know what I'm saying? No. That's a lie. Let me tell you something. Yeah, for real.

I'm telling you, you're kidding. I know you. Right. You wouldn't be able to be locked up in there two weeks with your wifey going through the shit that they put you through. All right. It's a social experiment. Give us an example of what they put you through.

This is what they, there's cameras everywhere. Right. There's every fucking way. In the an example of what they put you through. This is what they, there's cameras everywhere. There's every fucking way in the bathroom. They're looking at your balls. They're looking at your fucking kissing your girl. If you want to fuck, they're looking at that. They're looking at everything. Wait, there's cameras in your bedroom? Bedroom, fucking

toilets. So there's tons of sex tapes out right now that can be out right now. Bro, that's real shit, bro. That's real shit. Alright? That's real shit. And I'm always wondering, like, ain't that some sick shit? And then they sit in a fucking room with fucking TV

screens looking at everything. That's some sick shit. But me, see, I don't, ain't no shame in my game. I whipped that motherfucker out in front of my honey cameras, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because what the fuck, we men. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we supposed to.

We don't give a fuck about that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you want to see it? See it. Yeah, you want to show it, go. You want to show it, go. Give me the commercial for the camera. You want to see it.

Fuck that. Oh, shit. We got one more shot left. Fuck you, man. We got one more. One more shot, man. Zeno, man, just want to tell you, man, I don't want to, I don't want, you't want so many people, they want to tell people how much this. We ain't got no more weed?

That good weed, though. I got more blunts. Ask Diego. We got blunts in the car. That's another pack. Yeah. Where? Those shine blunts?

Shine blunts, definitely. I like the other shine blunts, the ones we could roll up. The ones we would stuff. What was he saying? Listen, man. Our final shine. Our platform is to give people their flowers while they're here.

Give people their roses while they're here. So many people want to say how dope... I love flowers and roses. I don't say that ever. Okay. We're going to give you some flowers too, girl. I love flowers and roses. I don't say that ever. That's dope. Okay. We're going to give you some flowers too, girl. All right?

I love that. Zeno said thanks. Let's give us a minute. It is dope. That is dope. What I'm saying is so many people in our industry, they want to diss you when you got so many years in this game. Really?

Why is that? Hold on. Let me finish. The thing is in rock and roll, they say that you season the more years you have. In jazz, they say that you season the more years you have.

Even in wrestling, you become even more of an iconic figure. Hip hop is the only genre, it's the only place where when you're older, they say that you're washed up. I want to change that narrative.

That's the reason why we got Drink Chance. We want to give people that's older, that's a statesman, and people that's seasoned, that have been in this game forever, we want to give them their flowers and tell them how great they are while they're alive. So I want to do that. Let me get a shot. Let me get a shot.

Let me get a shot. You got a shot right there. Oh, we just... Yo, y'all... How the fuck y'all... Niggas, this is what... Yo, you be doing that off the top of the head? Or do you be writing that down? What? No, he did that off the top of the head. That's hard, bro. Off the top of the head? What? Or do you be writing that down?

What? No, he did that off the top of the head. That's hard, bro. That's hard. Because you know why you're my brother, and I know that you don't understand how I appreciate it. Wait a minute, look at this shot. Come on.

OK, you want to try this? Come on. Try this. Take a shot with me there. Take a shot of this with me. All right, let's go. Let's take a shot with that with you. All right, take a shot of these first.

Hold on, hold on. All right, let's go. Let's take a shot of that with you. All right, take a shot of this first. Hold on, hold on. All right, cool. Mm. OK. I want a warm summer's afternoon. Right. Yes. Go ahead. Try it out.

You too. OK. All right. All right. I got it. Sonny, take one with us. Come on. Let's go.

Come on, Sonny. Look, I put a little bit more for you there. Here you go. Here you go, Sonny. Come on, Sonny. So you work at G5? G5. Right. Trick Daddy daddy Tuesdays Thursdays

Lot of lot of dirty lot of dirties in the Thank you Benzino man Appreciate that Wait before we go Before we go Yeah Is there anybody you want to shout out Or you want to get up No I just want to shout out

Definitely you E You know what I'm saying Everybody All the fellas You know what I'm saying The energy be dope You know what I'm saying And I'm definitely proud of you You know what I'm saying? Everybody, all the fellas, you know what I'm saying? The energy be dope, you know what I'm saying? And I'm definitely proud of you, you know what I mean?

Thank you. Because I know, you know, I know that. Yes. We know the insides of each other. Been through it, wouldn't be, yes. We know stories that we wouldn't even share on drink champs of each other. So, you know, we got a relationship. Ups down, in-betweens.

And I didn't even know how it happened. Like, it ended up to where it's at. Like, I love Norby. You know what I'm saying? Like, we talk more than, I mean, like, we talk all the time. He checks on me. I check on him. And it's like, and, you know, the industry is hard to find shit like that.

That's what I'm saying. And it's like, you know, to see you shine like this and work hard and not only do that but bring your niggas with you, you know what I'm saying? That shit is, come on, that's God. And you the nigga, man.

I'm telling you, you're one of the most loyalists down the earth. You stubborn, you stuck in your ways. When you're in your ways, that's who you are and I learned not to

talk you out of it sometimes. I learned to just ride with you. Right. But the bottom line is every man in this room needs to ask this question right now. Are you eating Anika's ass tonight? Not yet.

I'm outta here. Look at, look at, look at, look at, look at. Oh. Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh!

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